From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60609 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2004 23:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2004 23:31:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkWDH-000ONY-BH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:29:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkWDH-000ONV-8X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:29:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkWFE-000Oww-EI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:31:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkWEt-0002Tf-53 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:31:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkWEs-0002TW-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:31:22 +0000 Received: from f1phy.netins.net ([167.142.228.65] helo=cgpf1.cgp.netins.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkWEo-0007Xa-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:31:22 +0000 Received: from [167.142.32.126] (HELO tomoqdcnb7jv1y) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with SMTP id 694611054 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:31:16 -0600 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dr._Tom_Gruis=2C_K=D8HTF?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:31:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <41D418FF.20003@freenet.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of netins.net designates 167.142.228.65 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Y2K + 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi from Iowa! Isn't it 5 years ago we were worried about Y2K? Some felt relief as it came and went at the Prime Meridian. Having said that: HAPPY NEW YEAR! Doc. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74298 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 00:47:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 00:47:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkXP0-0002CJ-No for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:45:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkXP0-0002CG-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:45:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkXQZ-0008ra-He for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:47:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkXQ8-0002ax-In for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:47:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkXQ8-0002ao-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) As of 0045, WD2XGJ, WD2XES, VO1NA and WD2XDW are visible on Brian's grabber: http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/ArgoGrab/Argo_grab.htm John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20039 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 01:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 01:32:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkY6L-000Gyt-Lx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:30:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkY6L-000Gyq-JI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:30:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkY8H-000DUu-Ul for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:32:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkY7r-0002im-JY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:32:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkY7r-0002id-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:32:15 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkY7n-0007kN-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:32:15 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j011W3np009740 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:02:03 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j011W2I5001120 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:02:02 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j011W2Hg003814; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:02:02 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 22:02:01 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <00bc01c4ef9b$66517400$0500a8c0@charter.net> Message-ID: References: <00bc01c4ef9b$66517400$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: 4 at CT1DRP Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi John and group, Just checked Brian's site and saw the sigs. HNY to all! Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49036 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 08:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 08:27:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkeaM-000DVS-VH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:26:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkeaM-000DVP-Sa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:26:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Ckebs-0005m1-Qz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:27:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkebB-0003Az-Ok for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:26:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkebB-0003Aq-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:26:57 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Ckeb7-0008Ol-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:26:57 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Ckeb6-0001mP-01; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:26:52 +0100 Received: from HW1 (r96TiaZOQeqRrCqAF66L2Vvsr-3QjEXLIzz-xAxrOiEr+AMuVEwxo5@[217.80.127.188]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Ckeb0-1EIWLw0; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:26:46 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:26:52 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <731555723.20050101092652@t-online.de> To: "rsgb_lf_group @ blacksheep . org" , lowfer@lwca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: r96TiaZOQeqRrCqAF66L2Vvsr-3QjEXLIzz-xAxrOiEr+AMuVEwxo5 X-TOI-MSGID: 91b5c470-d499-42a4-a970-170fe299f2a4 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: Transatlantic last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Again strong signals from VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ. Nothing else copied. Screenshots: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Happy new year to all! Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77064 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 08:52:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 08:52:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckext-0002M4-5O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:50:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckext-0002M1-2D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:50:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Ckezl-000AZS-Tj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:52:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkezU-0003Ff-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:52:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkezT-0003FW-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:52:03 +0000 Received: from smtp08.web.de ([217.72.192.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkezO-0008Qu-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:52:03 +0000 Received: from [80.132.30.189] (helo=192.168.1.10) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.103 #184) id 1CkezH-0005sT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 09:51:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:51:50 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <649644949.20050101095150@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.226 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: DI2AG reception in JN49bf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050101030808080709070301" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050101030808080709070301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, I'm enclosing some screen shots showing Walter's DI2AG test transmissions on 440.044 kHz. Good reception here in southwestern Germany. 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In a message dated 01/01/2005 08:52:56 GMT Standard Time, michael.oexner@web.de writes:
Hello all,


I'm enclosing some screen shots showing Walter's DI2AG test
transmissions on 440.044 kHz. Good reception here in southwestern
Germany.

A happy new year to all!
The previous mail said 23.00UTC on the 1/1/05.   That's about 12 hours from now.
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18860 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 10:46:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 10:46:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckgjt-000Ifw-2j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:44:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckgjs-000Ifs-U7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:44:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ckglj-000JhE-H4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:45:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkglU-0003Rt-KU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:45:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkglU-0003Rk-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:45:44 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47] helo=mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkglQ-000092-2P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:45:44 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-18-102.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.18.102]:4090 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CkglJ-000E7S-E5; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 10:45:33 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: walter.staubach@fen-net.de Cc: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:46:04 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: LF: DI2AG 440.044KHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000907060408040804040404" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000907060408040804040404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Walter & LF, The capture attached is the best one during your first session (0430z), antenna not good at that freq, I will antenna improve for better all round LF reception. 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(2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MessageHi Gary and Walter,

You mean they are already transmitting ?
If so, sorry to have missed the initial show... well there is a signal on DI2AG's frequency "now" (that's what  on the screen NOW), but the signal fades in and out here, no complete callsign yet.

By accident, I received Gary's mail when checking my inbox for any reports on an MSK test transmission this afternoon. Congrats and many thanks go to Ko, who -afaik- made the first successfull reception (incl. decoding) of an MSK08 MSK31 transmission on the LF amateur radio band.  More tests -possibly- later, still staring on the 440 kHz spectrogram now...

GL for 2005 all,
73, Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD .


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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25660 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckkxb-000EFB-Do for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:14:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckkxb-000EF8-BI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:14:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkkzR-000MkK-Uy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:16:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkkzB-0003nd-Fj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:16:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkkzB-0003nU-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:16:09 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Ckkz5-0000bD-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:16:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 6854 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 15:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2005 15:15:58 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c4f014$ce3e0640$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:16:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: MSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) MessageWolf, >By accident, I received Gary's mail when checking my inbox for any reports on an MSK test transmission this afternoon. Congrats and many thanks go to Ko, who -afaik- made the first successfull reception (incl. decoding) of an MSK08 MSK31 transmission on the LF amateur radio band. < Maybe not! WD2XES ran MSK31 from 1800-1900 UTC on 31 Dec, and MSK08 from 1900 - 2000. W1VD had perfect MSK31 copy at 114 km, and W3NF had a few words at 542 km. The MSK08 run produced good copy at both locations. I had a few garbles in my local copy of 08, but couldn't find out what was producing them. This was preceded by several hours of Jason Fast, which was well copied, and followed by an hour of chirped Hell, which also produced good results. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79765 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 15:53:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 15:53:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CklXX-0002mc-IG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:51:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CklXX-0002mT-D3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:51:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CklZ0-0006F2-MW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:53:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CklYk-0003tx-Jw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:52:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CklYk-0003to-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:52:54 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CklYg-0000fO-AG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:52:54 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CklYT-0002rn-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:52:37 +0100 Received: from www8.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.211]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CklYT-0007T5-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:52:37 +0100 Received: from www-data by www8.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.34 1 (Panther_1)) id 1CklYS-0005Af-A0 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:52:36 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 212.185.230.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:52:36 +0100 X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 3.3 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.97,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178,PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.185 Subject: LF: DI2AG now fb copy in JO42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MessageGreetings all,

Good copy on DI2AG now in JO42FD. I dumped a few screenshots to this page :

http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/di2ag/index.htm

73, Wolf DL4YHF .

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79189 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 16:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 16:51:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkmSQ-000Crb-46 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:50:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkmSP-000CrW-VI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:50:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkmTs-0007bv-RQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:51:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkmTH-00041Y-Cv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:51:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkmTG-00041P-Tr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:51:18 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkmTC-0000mA-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:51:18 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CkmTB-0000CE-U4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:51:13 +0100 Received: from www3.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.200]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CkmTB-0001DL-Ss for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:51:13 +0100 Received: from www-data by www3.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.34 1 (Panther_1)) id 1CkmTA-0003AS-Gb for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:51:12 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 212.185.230.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:51:12 +0100 X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178,PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.185 Subject: Re: LF: MSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello John and group, Thanks for the MSK tests, and for the info ... well then let's say Ko was the first in EU who successfully decoded MSK here. I am still a bit sceptical if the signal wouldn't suffer from phase disturbances due to groundwave/skywave interference too much, since there is less phase reserve than in a BPSK signal (of course, if a coherent demodulator was used). But because MSK08 and MSK31 will never be "very-weak-signal modes" compared to QRSS, JASON, WOLF and Co, it shouldn't be a big issue. I have returned from the 440 kHz receiving session to a very very quiet 136 kHz band, and am still hoping for some activity in regular CW, or whatever From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86480 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 16:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 16:56:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkmWs-000DYi-Ly for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:55:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkmWs-000DYf-JM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:55:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CkmYL-000Me6-BG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:56:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkmYD-00045H-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:56:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkmYD-000458-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:56:25 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkmY9-0000nl-Cb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:56:25 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Jan 2005 16:56:13 -0000 Received: from ambg-d9b97cd1.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO pc) (217.185.124.209) by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 01 Jan 2005 17:56:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17603633 Message-ID: <002701c4f022$c21002c0$d17cb9d9@pc> From: "Thomas Koelpin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:55:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.net designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0a=1.666 Subject: LF: MW Beacon DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010109080800070006010005" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010109080800070006010005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello group, Walter,
 
a happy new year 2005 to everyone on the reflector!
 
With the beginning of the new year: outstanding signal from the MW beacon DI2AG with about 70 uV/m - not really surprising at a distance of 50 km  :-)
Enclosed a screenshot from 2005-01-01-0907 UTC (with some additional attenuation ...)
 
73 es cuagn
Tom, DK1IS
 
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mail6.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.80]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkmwX-0005PI-Sc for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:21:33 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j01HIsvJ032219; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:21:04 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09681 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09669 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A299A78050; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:18:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.128] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:17 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg128.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID493JaaRsR2095X01 Received: from uwdvg008.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.8] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 320JaaRsL0391M28; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:12 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 165.212.8.8 AUTO dibene@usa.net uwdvg008.cms.usa.net Received: from 151.41.143.73 [151.41.143.73] by uwdvg008.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.7.16); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:18:10 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene To: lowfer@lwca.org, LF Mailing List Subject: [LW] Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.7.16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <409JaaRsk0128S08.1104599890@uwdvg008.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Z-USANET-MsgId: XID320JaaRsm0391X28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lwca.org id MAA09669 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Greetings all, after slowly recovering from the excess drinking of New Year Midnight, I have coded a new function in Jason, which was originated by a comment of Bill de Carle, who said that the duration of tones maybe could be shortened, at least when the SNR is good. The duration was not chosen randomly, it obeys to a physics law, which says that in order to nail down a signal frequency with an uncertainty of df (delta f), you must observe it for a time not shorter that 1/df. But what Bill said made me think that in conditions of good SNR you could accept a reduced likelihood of a correct identification of the frequency, without increasing the error rate. So I have introduced the "Turbo" mode, which basically cuts in half the duration of each tone, leaving all of the other parameters unchanged. Some simple audio tests done here (laptop in one room squeaking Jason tones from the speakers, and PC with a microphone in a noisy environment in another room) gave positive results, at least above a given SNR level. So now the possible speeds are : Slow, Turbo OFF Throughput = 18.93 char/hour, 0.315 char/min Slow, Turbo ON " = 37.86 " 0.631 " Normal, Turbo OFF " = 151.4 " 2.523 " Normal, Turbo ON " = 302.8 " 5.047 " Fast, Turbo OFF " = 1214.2 " 20.24 " Fast, Turbo ON " = 2422.5 " 40.37 " The last row is interesting. There are many key-hunting "typists" that are slower than that, so may be the Fast/ON mode could be tried as some sort of RTTY on HF... what are the frequency stability requirements from the rig ? Due to the nature of IFK, a slow drift is of no consequences, provided that the frequency stays in the same FFT bin for the duration of the tone. At the fastest speed, with Turbo ON, the tone duration is abt. 0.743 sec, and the bin size is abt. 0.673 Hz. This implies that, e.g. at 14.1 MHz, the frequency must not change more than 38.5 ppm in a 10-minute interval. This does not look like as a difficult figure to achieve. Any takers ? So, in the light of all the above, I have uploaded Jason V0.98, which you can normally download by visiting the Web page http://www.weaksignals.com I have also implemented the function requested by Scott Tilley, i.e. the possibility to load the beacon text from a file. At each repetition of the beacon, the file is loaded again, in case it has changed. Sorry for the long posting, and please send reports, TNX. 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. When testing, the Rx station must set Turbo OFF or ON in accord with the Tx station, as this changes a parameter also in the decoder. ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6619 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 18:13:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 18:13:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cknif-000MYG-M0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:11:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cknif-000MY7-8O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:11:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CknkT-000GDa-Py for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:13:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cknjy-0004LP-2d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:12:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cknjx-0004LG-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:12:37 +0000 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.191]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cknjs-0000wn-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:12:37 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cknjs-0006Az-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 19:12:32 +0100 Received: from [217.251.227.213] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cknjq-0007Ar-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 19:12:30 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c4f02d$74b32ab0$fe78a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 19:12:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.227.126.191 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dk8kw.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: DI2AG and other (strange) signals Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070505060702010503000103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070505060702010503000103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message
Hello LF-Group,
 
first of all a very happy New Year to all of you. I haven't been very active lately but be assured I still watch what is going on on LF and MF. I am still writing my monthly column for the German ham radio magazine FUNKAMATEUR so I try to catch news all the time.
 
Yes, Walter has started his test transmissions as DI2AG at midnight, January 1st, 2005. I copied his signal on 440.044 kHz imemdiately (see below). Interesting is the strong fading that goes up and down every few minutes. On 136 kHz the signal is much more consistent.
 
While runing Spectran 2.0 this aftrnoon with a visible range from 439.990 kHz to 440.080 kHz I saw a signal on approximately 440.002 kHz that pretty much looked like a kind of QRSS signal with a dot length of around 15 seconds, however an irregular pattern. Anybody got an idea what kind of signal this is? There are also at least two NDB signals around the same frequency but they have a constant carrier.
 
Best 73
 
Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
 
 
 
 
 
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autolearn=no,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.97,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178,PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.185,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: Another strange signal.. 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The chance for another "first", Ko ?

73, Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD .

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43287 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 20:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 20:38:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckpyv-000M63-9R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:36:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckpyv-000M5v-5Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:36:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ckq0j-000EAQ-GB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:38:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckpzi-0004bV-U1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckpzi-0004bM-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Ckpze-0001Dc-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Ckpze-0003vM-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:36:58 +0100 Received: from www11.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.204]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Ckpze-0003SC-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:36:58 +0100 Received: from www-data by www11.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.34 1 (Panther_1)) id 1Ckpzd-0001D7-BW for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:36:57 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 212.185.230.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:36:57 +0100 X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178,PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.185 Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
Hi Alberto,

thanks for the new TURBO mode.
Won't say Ko was the first again to copy it, as I don't know how fast the US guys were, but he had immediate copy... Well done !

Besides this:
CFH already very strong on the spectrogram, with a typical "RTTY" modulation, large shift, low bitrate, so good luck to the TA enthusiasts.

73, Wolf DL4YHF .

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62102 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 20:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 20:49:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqAV-00029g-HY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:48:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqAV-00029b-8p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:48:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkqBw-000HFY-R7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:49:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqBF-0004fc-0I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:48:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqBE-0004fT-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:48:56 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkqB9-0001F2-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:48:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 17128 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 20:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2005 20:48:47 -0000 Message-ID: <00e601c4f043$2c81ddc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:47:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) MessageWolf, Alberto, W1VD reported copy on my Jason Fast Turbo (the marketing dept. loves it) at 1952 UTC. We'll let Jay and Ko fight it out for the title. Anyway, it works. Solid copy at 114 km, and Lloyd, W3NF, is getting about 50% copy at 542 km. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58758 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 20:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 20:53:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqDm-000Pa1-Lq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:51:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqDm-000PZu-Bm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:51:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkqFa-0009K0-MF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:53:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqF8-0004jc-RR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:52:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqF8-0004jT-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:52:58 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkqF3-0001FZ-Nm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:52:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j01Kqb2M005962 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:52:37 -0600 Message-ID: <41D70DB8.2080302@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 14:53:12 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00e601c4f043$2c81ddc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <00e601c4f043$2c81ddc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) How many WPM would this compare to in straight CW? Mike John Andrews wrote: >MessageWolf, Alberto, > >W1VD reported copy on my Jason Fast Turbo (the marketing dept. loves it) at >1952 UTC. We'll let Jay and Ko fight it out for the title. > >Anyway, it works. Solid copy at 114 km, and Lloyd, W3NF, is getting about >50% copy at 542 km. > >John A. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65088 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqHz-0003lg-D5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:55:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqHz-0003ld-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:55:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CkqJQ-0006E5-I8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:57:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqIv-0004n7-1h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:56:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqIu-0004my-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:56:52 +0000 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkqIq-0001Gj-LT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:56:52 +0000 Received: from dpc000 (core-balt-5-247.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [209.163.120.247]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA29077 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:56:47 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c4f044$64c08f00$cc28730a@direcpc.com> From: "chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00e601c4f043$2c81ddc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:56:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 66.225.112.69 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of smart.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John I have a very strong Digital type signal at 136.95 and I think that is what may be causing letter errors at times..tried a 50Hz cw mode on copy but not a big difference..So guess that 137.7 freq seems not as good for me as the 137.422 or 137.779 but all this could be just a limitation on the Turbo fast mode at this time of day.. very nice though and Jays copy sure was nice.. de Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... > MessageWolf, Alberto, > > W1VD reported copy on my Jason Fast Turbo (the marketing dept. loves it) at > 1952 UTC. We'll let Jay and Ko fight it out for the title. > > Anyway, it works. Solid copy at 114 km, and Lloyd, W3NF, is getting about > 50% copy at 542 km. > > John A. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89185 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 21:06:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqQg-00051h-3R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:04:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqQg-00051d-0b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:04:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CkqS7-0008WI-E5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:06:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqRW-0004qj-DD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:05:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqRW-0004qa-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:05:46 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkqRR-0001IG-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:05:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 29764 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2005 21:05:37 -0000 Message-ID: <00fc01c4f045$86e3c420$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00e601c4f043$2c81ddc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001b01c4f044$64c08f00$cc28730a@direcpc.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:04:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Lloyd, Understand about the interference. With CFH cranked up, I'm trying to stay above 137.5. If I do this again, I'll pick another freq. JA ----- Original Message ----- From: "chastant" To: Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 20:56 Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... > John I have a very strong Digital type signal at 136.95 and I think that is > what may be causing letter errors at times..tried a 50Hz cw mode on copy but > not a big difference..So guess that 137.7 freq seems not as good for me as > the 137.422 or 137.779 but all this could be just a limitation on the Turbo > fast mode at this time of day.. > very nice though and Jays copy sure was nice.. > de Lloyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Andrews" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... > > > > MessageWolf, Alberto, > > > > W1VD reported copy on my Jason Fast Turbo (the marketing dept. loves it) > at > > 1952 UTC. We'll let Jay and Ko fight it out for the title. > > > > Anyway, it works. Solid copy at 114 km, and Lloyd, W3NF, is getting about > > 50% copy at 542 km. > > > > John A. > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87048 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:11:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 21:11:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqVR-0002lS-VF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:09:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkqVR-0002lP-Sk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:09:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CkqXF-000N8A-UF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:11:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqWb-0004up-4q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:11:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CkqWa-0004ug-7v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:11:00 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkqWV-0001K3-JF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:11:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 9878 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:10:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2005 21:10:53 -0000 Message-ID: <00ff01c4f046$42f75960$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00e601c4f043$2c81ddc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <41D70DB8.2080302@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:10:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike, > How many WPM would this compare to in straight CW? Based on the standard word, "PARIS " (including a word space at the end), I make the International Morse version to be 6.5 wpm. There are smarter guys here who should feel free to correct me. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46111 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckqyg-0007gW-1n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:40:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckqyf-0007gN-SH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:40:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ckr0T-0004vh-Qb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckr0D-00050H-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckr0D-000508-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:37 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Ckr09-0001O8-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 6372 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2005 21:41:31 -0000 Message-ID: <011a01c4f04a$8ab6d2e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:40:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: WD2XES Jason Slow Turbo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) WD2XES will be running in the new Jason Slow Turbo mode tonight on 137.779 kHz. This will produce "dashes" of 48 seconds, which should look OK on a 30-second screen. You will need the latest version of Jason to copy the text. Go to: http://www.weaksignals.com for Jason 0.98. Be sure to set the speed to Slow and turn on the "Tx Turbo Mode". Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57187 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 22:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 22:55:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cks7v-000Ltv-U0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:53:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cks7v-000Lts-Qu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:53:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cks9M-000MPr-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:55:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cks8t-0005A7-2W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:54:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cks8s-00059y-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:54:38 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cks8n-0001Wf-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:54:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j01MsE2M008376 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:54:14 -0600 Message-ID: <41D72A3B.3010004@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 16:54:51 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00e601c4f043$2c81ddc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <41D70DB8.2080302@genesiswireless.us> <00ff01c4f046$42f75960$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <00ff01c4f046$42f75960$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045 Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Wow, that is nice for chatting back & forth.

Mike :-)

John Andrews wrote:
Mike,

  
How many WPM would this compare to in straight CW?
    

Based on the standard word, "PARIS " (including a word space at the end), I
make the International Morse version to be 6.5 wpm. There are smarter guys
here who should feel free to correct me.

John A.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69609 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 07:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 07:03:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkzkG-000P4k-RG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:01:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkzkG-000P4W-AM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:01:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ckzle-000MVi-5J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:03:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckzkn-0007Tl-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:02:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckzkn-0007Tc-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:02:17 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Ckzkj-0004EA-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:02:17 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9O00M7JGVNLM81@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0272BW7013655 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:02:11 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12747-05-4 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:02:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0270cud013405 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:00:39 -0700 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:00:38 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <004a01c4f098$c45b75c0$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <41D5C26D.21352.53169F@localhost> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: EU beacons Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello All EU DCF39 is 40dB above noise level... Best I have seen it. Anyone on QRSS around 135.920-135.924 before your sun rises? J VY1JA CP20kw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85359 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 07:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 07:13:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckzub-0000tG-TY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:12:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckzub-0000tD-Q2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:12:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ckzvy-000C7S-1J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:13:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckzvh-0007YU-5w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:13:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckzvg-0007YL-Pi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:13:32 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Ckzvb-0004Fe-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:13:32 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9O00MZHHEELMQ1@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:13:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j027DQBe015672 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:13:26 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14078-17 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:13:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j027C4Aw015395 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:12:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:12:04 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <005601c4f09a$5d0a4340$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <41D5C26D.21352.53169F@localhost> <004a01c4f098$c45b75c0$6501a8c0@eagles> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: DCF39 in Yukon de VY1JA Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010000050706000100010701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group 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--------------010000050706000100010701-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5982 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 11:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 11:29:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl3u1-000Iqv-Sc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:28:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl3u1-000Iqs-Pz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:28:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cl3vM-000DRJ-CY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:29:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl3u7-00083m-7a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 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Somebody else finds QRSS useful ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all see http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/demolition_dcconv.htm I wonder if that was ARGO ?? Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74158 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 12:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 12:24:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl4lM-0007ah-Jg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:23:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl4lM-0007aY-Er for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:23:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cl4n3-0003ZN-QW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:24:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl4mk-0008EI-2W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:24:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl4mj-0008E9-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:24:37 +0000 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cl4me-0004ns-LS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:24:37 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Cl4md-0002uR-02; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:24:31 +0100 Received: from HW1 (EIZ0bgZTgeI2RUxzo1KnkSTVx3uAK+NzTrqNM8wXxvdAg3CWiSTXZS@[80.144.126.104]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Cl4ma-0CL03k0; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:24:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:24:27 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1758822478.20050102132427@t-online.de> To: John Andrews In-Reply-To: <011a01c4f04a$8ab6d2e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <011a01c4f04a$8ab6d2e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: EIZ0bgZTgeI2RUxzo1KnkSTVx3uAK+NzTrqNM8wXxvdAg3CWiSTXZS X-TOI-MSGID: 29588fdd-1b23-41ee-b443-a59fee6256d8 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Jason Slow Turbo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040800020901070101060502" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040800020901070101060502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Copied only very few signs from the Jason transmission the whole night. See attachment. Strong signal from Joe, VO1NA. Copied XGJ weaker than the previous nights. 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Allen schrieb: > Hello All EU > > DCF39 is 40dB above noise level... Best I have seen it. > Anyone on QRSS around 135.920-135.924 before your sun rises? > > J > VY1JA > CP20kw > > Hi, DJ8WX was on the air all nights and will be the next nights. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58365 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 13:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 13:56:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl6C1-0000bm-DU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:54:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl6C1-0000bj-Ap for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:54:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cl6Di-000P50-H6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:56:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl6DW-00005z-Nq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:56:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl6DW-00005q-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:56:22 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cl6DR-00051k-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:56:22 +0000 Received: by fmmailgate05.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j02DtInR025604 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:56:11 +0100 Received: from [217.248.191.109] by freemailng1804.web.de with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:56:09 +0100 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:56:09 +0100 Message-Id: <262903953@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.243 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Power Line Rotation, & Auroral effects de VY1JA 4-Wire feeding line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Peter, a description with dimension tables for feeding lines with four wires is given in our German antenna anthology: Karl Rothammel: Das Antennenbuch now available via DARC.de Bookservice or Funkamateur.de bookservice used via ebay. It is a good method, if You want to implement low characteristical impedances, say below 250 Ohm. 55, Hans-Albrecht, DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 31.12.04 13:53:48: > > > > > As you travel along the highway on your next trip, with someone else at > the > > wheel, watch the high-tension lines for transitions similar to the one > > described here. Now that you know what to look for, transitions should be > > easy to spot, regardless of the line configuration. > > I seem to recall a method of transposing twin transmission line conductors > for RF at regular interval using square spacers with a hole or notch in each > corner. This was done to improve the balance over a long line. I looked > through all my antenna books but was unable top find any reference to this > technique. I guess this is the same as power line transitions described by > VY1JA. > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Mit WEB.DE FreePhone mit hoechster Qualitaet ab 0 Ct./Min. weltweit telefonieren! http://freephone.web.de/?mc=021201 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3643 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 16:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 16:56:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl90L-000EW6-RU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:54:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl90L-000EVx-Ea for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:54:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cl921-000Olo-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:56:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl91F-0000Yh-Fk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:55:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl91E-0000YY-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:55:52 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cl91A-0005Pz-2u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:55:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j02Gtg2M028060 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:55:42 -0600 Message-ID: <41D827A8.2020707@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:56:08 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c4f0be$1039ea60$6507a8c0@Main> In-Reply-To: <001c01c4f0be$1039ea60$6507a8c0@Main> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Somebody else finds QRSS useful ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Sure looks like QRSS & ARGO or another variant. How in the heck did you find that webpage? :-) Mike Alan Melia wrote: >Hi all see >http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/demolition_dcconv.htm > >I wonder if that was ARGO ?? > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30816 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 17:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 17:07:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl9BI-0005FQ-Ly for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:06:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl9BI-0005FL-Eo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:06:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cl9Cc-000LcB-Ia for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl9CL-0000eE-JV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl9CL-0000e5-9V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:21 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cl9CH-0005S8-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:21 +0000 Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050102170703.XYPU15581.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:07:03 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050102170703.ZRBY9818.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:07:03 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41D82A34.13400.5614EB@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: EU beacons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I will be beaconing again tonight from about 1900 to 0800UTC. QRSS60 on 135.9215kHz. Mike, G3XDV ============ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31026 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 17:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 17:07:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl9BO-0005Fi-Nt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:06:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl9BO-0005Ff-LN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:06:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cl9Ci-000Lel-Nh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl9Ce-0000eh-UR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl9Ce-0000eX-IE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:40 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cl9Ca-0005SF-GK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:07:40 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-014.fen-net.de [212.204.116.14]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j02H5ir0008676 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:05:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000201c4f0ee$4ef9e860$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:07:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG 440KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear All,
       at first happy new year to you.
And thank you very much for the response on my beacon testing. I got 27 mails - partly with screenshots - until now. Hope, the capacity of my harddisc will be sufficient ;-)
The mails came from G, LA, ON, F, DL.  Tonight the beacon will operate  QRSS10. Now DI2AG@fen-net.de is ready for use.
This morning I had some trouble in reading the mails from my account. While transfering the data the computer often stopped and the program crashed. No help? Yes, after searching for more than half an hour with my son I reduced the output of the 440KHz - that it was!
Keep in mind: Either 440KHz or computer, but not both;-)
Please dear friends give me your locator when reporting, it`s easier to calculate the distancies.
73
Walter
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78547 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 17:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 17:53:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl9tQ-0002KX-GX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:51:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cl9tQ-0002KR-8c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:51:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cl9v5-000Gqf-PV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:53:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl9uc-0000sS-Hh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:53:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cl9uc-0000sJ-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:53:06 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cl9uY-0005Zr-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:53:06 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9P00LVUB0DWUM2@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j02Hr1PN027089 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:53:01 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27010-04 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j02HpfM6026739 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:51:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:51:42 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000a01c4f0f3$b7bb2170$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <41D82A34.13400.5614EB@localhost> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: EU beacons Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike and All, I will be listening tonight from my sunset at about 0000 to the last EU sunrise 08:15? or until I send a message that I have to leave the test. I will be watching in the EU DX window centered on 135.9215. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6575 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 19:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 19:58:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClBqI-000FAj-Qx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:56:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClBqI-000FAg-OM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:56:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClBrb-000LlU-Qd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:58:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClBqm-0001G5-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:57:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClBqm-0001Fw-1c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:57:16 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClBqh-0005xQ-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 19:57:15 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1ClBqT-0000Y1-JJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:56:57 +0100 Received: from p50905d15.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.93.21] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1ClBqT-0002zn-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:56:57 +0100 Message-ID: <41D85211.7020409@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:57:05 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Who was it on 137.500 kHz today ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Greetings all, When testing various digital and visible modes on 137.5 kHz today, someone called me with a rather weak signal which could hardly be seen on the spectrogram. It was not decodable due to strong local QRM and strong Loran interference. So, whoeever it was, thanks for your patience and hope to work you soon under better conditions. Besides this, very little EU activity in any mode. A strong signal from YU7AR in the evening, but got no reply when calling in QRSS3 . One new (?) station DL4EAU in the log, Tom uses a 60 Watt transverter and a 15 m vertical, but his "provisional" rig put out a nice signal in regular CW. DI2AG on 440 kHz was very strong at times, but haven't added more screenshots to my "DI2AG report" website . The fast and deep QSB on MW is totally different from the slow QSB we see at LW . Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80443 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 21:00:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 21:00:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClCnr-000I4B-7J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:58:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClCnr-000I47-1W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:58:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClCpV-000J9k-B3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:00:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClCoN-0001Ug-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:58:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClCoN-0001UX-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:58:51 +0000 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClCoJ-000674-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:58:51 +0000 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA7S2D4ASQQX2A for (sender ); Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:58:34 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewM0dVUUv3fe6oawotoBNt2x7R33QTdlVHg== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KGDAKNBR; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:57:46 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:38:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20050102.155653.2604.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4,6-7,9,11,13,15-16 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 6:3:51817770 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of juno.com designates 64.136.30.74 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Power Line Rotation, & Auroral effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Back in the days before electronic amplification telephone systems were peaked to work with less loss at around 1000 Hz. Made them tinny but at least you could hear the other person. Before multi cable all was open line and the lines were also crossed. This made them balanced as well as providing less noise coupling and the proper impedance for the transmission and less loss of the voice peaked at 1000 Hz. Before Digital switching ,,,trunk circuits were still toned out at 1000Hz . That is still a standard today but we no longer use open wire. So the idea that power lines and telephone lines are transmission lines holds true just like the transmission line used for RF . Bob K3DJC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6676 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 22:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 22:10:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClDuF-0006UP-51 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:09:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClDuE-0006UF-PP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:08:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClDvs-000Dkx-Gw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:10:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClDvM-0001ea-9I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:10:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClDvL-0001eR-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi OMs, DJ8WX is still transmitting on 135.9223kHz in mode QRSS60 and longing for reports. regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76891 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; 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Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.92.82.22 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:52:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.92.82.22] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:52:58 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2005 22:53:00.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF36D7C0:01C4F11D] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.50 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0,TW_XD=0.077 Subject: LF: Alaska Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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Results from this "expedition" were poor- the Auroral episodic activity quashed any form(s) of long haul both within the Americas and Eu. Signals from Eu were stronger during the day which was always bad karma (man) - Apart from a few full callsigns from Steve Ve7sl I only bits from other Part 5 and VE stations - nada from Eu ; it would have taken another 30-35 dB before Id had seen much from the Eu 1W erpers, and nothing from the US Part 15'ers. The site was nestled in the mountains too which didnt help too much and in a poorer lowere angle take-off location than my previously site in Anchorage. I learnt a bit more about my ft817 on LF, my pc security system and the min antler/rack height for a loop array... Laurence KL1X/5 en26aq now wd2xdw 137,7755 qrss90 "xdw" and 9 wpm cw id from 2230z 2nd Jan 05 thanks for all the support this year. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63770 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 23:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 23:39:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClFHw-000OX6-HV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClFHw-000OX3-Ec for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClFJZ-000BpS-Hl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:39:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClFIv-0001rR-Pd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:38:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClFIv-0001rI-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:38:33 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClFIr-0006Ye-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:38:33 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010223375101300cbsr3e>; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:37:51 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:49 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:49 +0000 Message-Id: <010220052337.26082.41D885CD000A0575000065E222058864420B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: error in processing during lookup of domain of comcast.net: DNS lookup failure X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: Re: LF: Alaska Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

> I learnt a bit more about my ft817 on LF, >
 Laurence,
   I've learned that my FT-817 is deaf as a post on LF. I hooked up a whip antenna to it and took a walk with it a couple of weeks ago. My Part 5 beacon was s-8 about 3 feet directly under the transmitting antenna. (My Part 5 beacon was running about 250 watts out.) By the time I had walked maybe 1000 feet away, I could not hear a trace of my beacon! I believe that you used a pre-amp, I hope it had a LOT of gain!
  I've visited Alaska three times in the past four years, each time I took a radio or two. I've always been dissappointed with the HF propagation there (too much in the auroral absorption zone). I know that you lived there for some time, so you are in a better position to compare your recent results with typical conditions.
   I did get a tour of the HAARP ionospheric heating transmitter site in Gakona, Alaska in 2000. I drove back toward Anchorage in the evening after getting a tour of HAARP from the cheif engineer. About halfway between Gakona and Anchorage, I pulled over to the side of the road and tuned my SONY 2010 to the frequency that HAARP was transmitting on that night (which was 3.300 MHz). The signal was watery and not all that strong for a transmitter running 750 kW into a 21 dB gain array!
  Just my 2cents!
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ 
 

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19865 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 00:12:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 00:12:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClFos-000CAw-DH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:11:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClFos-000CAt-Ap for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:11:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClFq9-000HWC-So for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:12:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClFpp-0001yN-Ep for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:12:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClFpp-0001yE-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:12:33 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClFpk-0006fa-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:12:33 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.107] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005010300120711100j833fe> (Authid: dmcintyre); Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:12:07 +0000 Message-ID: <41D88DD1.4020403@att.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:12:01 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D28858.32351.A94C2B@localhost> <002c01c4edb9$408383f0$6501a8c0@eagles> <1CjgyQ-1mpG670@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> In-Reply-To: <1CjgyQ-1mpG670@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.115 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) jannsen wrote: > Hi, > like the last nights I will be on 135,922.3kHz the next nights too. > the mode will be changed to QRSS60. Uwe, For the past several nights I have seen activity very near 135,922.3 kHz. This happens mainly between 0400 and 0600 UTC. This noise, if it is noise, may prevent me from seeing your signal. If you could shift slightly up or down in frequency I would stand a better chance of seeing your signal. And if by chance this is your signal a shift would verify it. One screen from last night: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/135922khz02jan05.jpg 73, Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42470 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 00:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 00:25:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClG0n-000EU0-5k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:23:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClG0n-000ETx-0W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:23:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClG24-000OYx-Ew for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:25:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClG1o-000231-BB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:24:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClG1n-00022s-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:24:55 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClG1j-0006h8-3I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:24:55 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.112.195 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 00:24:45 -0000 Message-ID: <004e01c4f12a$9dce9b20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c4f0be$1039ea60$6507a8c0@Main> <41D827A8.2020707@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:25:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Somebody else finds QRSS useful ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Mike, I cheated !! It was flown on one of the News Groups. . I usually lurk looking for manuals and tech talk. There is occasionally something amusing and very occasionally something useful, I never post to them these days, and if the posters dont have a valid email address I can get at they dont get direct answers either. My spam count peaked at 250 a day and seems to be dropping now. All but one or two a day are neatly filtered out by BT Yahoo so I dont see 'em, and I dont seem to lose any legit mails. Having heard of morse being used for a number of other non-radio uses, I thought this was another good reason for keeping it up!! Cheers Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H Mike" To: Sent: 02 January 2005 16:56 Subject: Re: LF: Somebody else finds QRSS useful ?? > Sure looks like QRSS & ARGO or another variant. How in the heck did you > find that webpage? :-) > > Mike > > Alan Melia wrote: > > >Hi all see > >http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/demolition_dcconv.htm > > > >I wonder if that was ARGO ?? > > > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94415 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 00:33:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClG84-0007sY-VJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:31:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClG84-0007sV-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:31:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClG9h-000KS0-FE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:33:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClG9J-00026a-5w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClG9I-00026R-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClG9D-0006ir-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4471D780BA for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:32:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.129] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:28 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID702JacaGC2271X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.143.113] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 027JacaGX0070M29; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:32:23 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.143.113 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41D89293.1010606@usa.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:32:19 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D28858.32351.A94C2B@localhost> <002c01c4edb9$408383f0$6501a8c0@eagles> <1CjgyQ-1mpG670@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> <41D88DD1.4020403@att.net> In-Reply-To: <41D88DD1.4020403@att.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID027JacaGy0070X29 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08=1.97,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: LF: Re: EU Beacons Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010500040308080705050608" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010500040308080705050608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jannsen wrote:
Hi, like the last nights I will be on 135,922.3kHz the next nights too. the mode will be changed to QRSS60
Captured the signal shown in the attached picture.
Locator JN45sl, antenna just a 40m inverted V
receiver JRC NRD-525, QTR around 00:00 UTC

73  Alberto  I2PHD

 
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Received: from no.name.available by falkenuge02.mvnet.de via smtpd (for mail.mvnet.de [194.25.108.14]) with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 07:57:58 UT Received: from waechter2 ([10.10.0.7]) by mgwl01.mgw.mvnet.de (8.13.1/) with SMTP id j037vrOL016689 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:57:53 +0100 Received: from 10.254.1.1 by argusauge (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:00:09 +0100 Received: from [194.1.2.8] by adlerauge-11.mvnet.de via smtpd (for [10.254.1.10]) with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 07:49:51 UT Received: by umnt02.umwelt.loc with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:57:54 +0100 Message-ID: <53C2E6579EEFE245951674BE4CD693622F37AA@umnt02.umwelt.loc> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22=28_UM=2C_300b=29_v=2E_Wedelst=E4dt=2C_Eberhard?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22?= To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:57:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.108.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of um.mv-regierung.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: AW: Who was it on 137.500 kHz today ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Greetings and a happy new year to all i was it on 137,500, but the power adsorb in wet trees around the antenna next time on 137,500 up ? Regards, Eberhard, DL3ZID -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Wolf DL4YHF [mailto:dl4yhf@freenet.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Januar 2005 20:57 An: RSGB LF Group Betreff: LF: Who was it on 137.500 kHz today ? Greetings all, When testing various digital and visible modes on 137.5 kHz today, someone called me with a rather weak signal which could hardly be seen on the spectrogram. It was not decodable due to strong local QRM and strong Loran interference. So, whoeever it was, thanks for your patience and hope to work you soon under better conditions. Besides this, very little EU activity in any mode. A strong signal from YU7AR in the evening, but got no reply when calling in QRSS3 . One new (?) station DL4EAU in the log, Tom uses a 60 Watt transverter and a 15 m vertical, but his "provisional" rig put out a nice signal in regular CW. DI2AG on 440 kHz was very strong at times, but haven't added more screenshots to my "DI2AG report" website . The fast and deep QSB on MW is totally different from the slow QSB we see at LW . Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31926 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 08:27:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClNWw-000IXZ-2Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:25:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClNWv-000IXW-V9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:25:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClNYV-000PSc-GH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:27:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClNYG-0002yU-UW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:26:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClNYG-0002yL-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:26:56 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClNYC-0007nn-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:26:56 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClNYB-0000G4-04; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:26:51 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TQT+3GZAZews4v7DtLo+UAa4b6ccEsD1HfWLCV6S4Um1UoTxkeJnZ7@[80.144.98.120]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1ClNY1-0cQzpY0; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:26:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:26:33 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1958086494.20050103092633@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TQT+3GZAZews4v7DtLo+UAa4b6ccEsD1HfWLCV6S4Um1UoTxkeJnZ7 X-TOI-MSGID: c155ed37-4ae4-45ef-8a3a-4561762a2ab4 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: Transatlantic last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Solid copy of VO1NA 2100-2330z and 0230-0800z in QRSS120. Faint traces from WD2XGJ in QRSS30 during local dawn. Nothing else copied. Screenshots: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72493 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 09:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 09:45:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClOkl-000AJg-49 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:43:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClOkk-000AJd-Ti for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:43:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClOly-000KVU-V7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:45:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClOlU-0003D1-Ut for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:44:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClOlU-0003Cs-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:44:40 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClOlQ-00080y-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:44:40 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@217.42.62.143 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 09:44:30 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:43:27 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <53C2E6579EEFE245951674BE4CD693622F37AA@umnt02.umwelt.loc> Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: SAQ special event - Jan 19, 2005 1700utc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF group, I hear rumours that SAQ will be on air for a Special Event on Jan 19th. Can anyone confirm? Thanks and a Happy New Year! Dave G3WCB IO91RM ++++++++++++++++++++++ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5440 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 12:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 12:18:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClR8R-000EaV-Cj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:16:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClR8Q-000Ea3-Mj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:16:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClR9y-000Gdc-Ah for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:18:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClR97-0003UD-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:17:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClR97-0003U4-Ad for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:17:13 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClR93-0008PO-As for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:17:13 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1ClR8t-0006e9-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:16:59 +0100 Received: from p5090488f.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.72.143] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1ClR8t-0002W4-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: <41D937D1.4060900@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:17:21 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <53C2E6579EEFE245951674BE4CD693622F37AA@umnt02.umwelt.loc> In-Reply-To: <53C2E6579EEFE245951674BE4CD693622F37AA@umnt02.umwelt.loc> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: AW: Who was it on 137.500 kHz today ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Eberhard, Thanks for the information and the call on 137.5 kHz on sunday. Better luck next time.. with less QRM/QRN on this side which made the receiver's AGC jump up and down, furthermore Loran(?) was unusually strong - or another annoying local noise source has occurred. Haven't check the frequencies yet, this may be a game to play while looking for activity on the band. The Loran lines on the waterfall were actually just outside the PSK08 spectrum, may be a bit too close. I am already working on a higher-order bit filter (more than the 79 coeff's which are used at the moment) to make the system more immune to strong adjacent signals, and to make the preample tone longer which makes manual tuning easier. Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45959 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 15:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 15:07:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClTmB-0003CS-Ax for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:05:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClTmA-0003CG-J8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:05:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClTnh-0009oe-7b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:07:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClTnG-0003ne-1X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:06:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClTnF-0003nV-Cr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:06:49 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClTnA-0000Qs-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:06:49 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.116 ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010315062601400r7jefe>; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:06:36 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.116; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:06:23 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:06:23 +0000 Message-Id: <010320051506.18289.41D95F6E0009746D0000477122007348300B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DEAR_SOMETHING=0.803,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.232,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_NONELEMENT_20_30=0.07,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ special event - Jan 19, 2005 1700utc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=DEAR_SOMETHING,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:19 PM
Subject: SAQ extra transmission

 

RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ RQ

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

There will be some visitors from USA at Grimeton Radio/SAQ on Jan 19th 2005. During the visit the transmitter/alternator will be on the air with a message on VLF 17,2 kHz. The purpose is to demonstrate whether it is possible to receive a message that day in USA, or not.< /P>

 

Do you have the possibility to receive a message and then direct contact SAQ via e-mail with information how the message was received or a connection via telephone (in that case we will ring you up).

 

The transmission is not a general one for public and will not be announced otherwise than via this e-mail.

 

The transmission is suggested to be at 17:00 UTC. Are you able to listen at that time and do you think this will be a proper time to receive a transmission on VLF from Sweden or do you have any other suggestions?

 

Please answer back to me giving your e-mail address and telephone number to my e-mail: lars.kalland@telia.com

 

 

I will also wish you….

 

A Prosperous New Year!

 

 

 

SM6NM

Lars Kalland

 

 

P.S. The annual transmission with SAQ in the year 2005 will be on Sunday 3rd. I will give you the transmission schedule later on. D.S.

 

 

 
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
 
-------------- Original message --------------

> Dear LF group,
>
> I hear rumours that SAQ will be on air for a Special Event on Jan 19th. Can
> anyone confirm?
>
> Thanks and a Happy New Year!
>
> Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27307 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 15:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 15:41:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClUJ8-000C4x-Q6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:39:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClUJ8-000C4u-MO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:39:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClUKf-0003Zp-8s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:41:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClUKM-0003ux-91 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:41:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClUKL-0003uo-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:41:01 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClUKG-0000Xr-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:41:01 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j03Femnp032709 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:10:48 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j03FemI5027230 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:10:48 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j03Felke031216; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:10:47 -0330 (NST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:10:47 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1ClDv7-1F4uxc0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: References: <41D42386.31472.3B8575@localhost> <200412310215.38197.smtp01@email.it> <1CkQ1x-0Y32Sf0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <1ClDv7-1F4uxc0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Eu DX beacons Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe and LF Group, I watched last night from 0000-0200 and recieved your sigs at "M". No trace of G3XDV however. 73 Joe VO1NA On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, jannsen wrote: > Hi OMs, > DJ8WX is still transmitting on 135.9223kHz in mode QRSS60 and longing for > reports. > regards > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78417 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:40:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVDv-000Pd8-7v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:38:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVDu-000Pd3-UC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:38:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClVFR-000KRe-1u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:40:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVER-000455-4u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:38:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVEQ-00044w-QC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:38:58 +0000 Received: from ncc1.infomail.es ([195.235.39.3] helo=infomail.es) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClVEM-0000kv-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:38:58 +0000 Received: from joan ([172.16.101.248]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #1104770328.051510001; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:38:48 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c4f1b2$bd1acf20$05001aac@joan> From: "Joan Morros" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:39:04 +0100 Organization: lleida.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Infomail-Id: 1104770328.141F010A811066.50328 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.235.39.3 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lleida.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY=0.151,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML=0.205 Subject: LF: UE beacons Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi,
Captured DJ8WX and G3XDW signals last nights.
Locator JN01HO.
Antenna : 9 m. sloper wire
receiver: home made DC.
QTR around 02:00 UTC
 
73, Juan EA3FXF
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93820 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:46:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVK8-000OFQ-1k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:44:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVK7-000OFN-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:44:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClVLJ-0009bK-EL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:46:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVL9-000490-Mu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVL9-00048r-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:55 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClVL3-0000nC-QR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:55 +0000 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVL3-0001EK-01; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:45:49 +0100 Received: from (TvVgy4ZpZe2Omx-vlbzdKVoPMd5cQbWg2OZdiN4EWgdOb1C+9HJDZy@[217.251.154.2]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVKn-0TXNiq0; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:45:33 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D28858.32351.A94C2B@localhost> <002c01c4edb9$408383f0$6501a8c0@eagles> <1CjgyQ-1mpG670@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> <41D88DD1.4020403@att.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:45:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1ClVKn-0TXNiq0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: TvVgy4ZpZe2Omx-vlbzdKVoPMd5cQbWg2OZdiN4EWgdOb1C+9HJDZy X-TOI-MSGID: 5e0a143f-197f-4859-9bdc-79d4529fb5ae X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dexter McIntyre W4DEX schrieb: > jannsen wrote: > > > Hi, > > like the last nights I will be on 135,922.3kHz the next nights too. > > the mode will be changed to QRSS60. > > Uwe, > > For the past several nights I have seen activity very near 135,922.3 > kHz. This happens mainly between 0400 and 0600 UTC. This noise, if it > is noise, may prevent me from seeing your signal. If you could shift > slightly up or down in frequency I would stand a better chance of seeing > your signal. And if by chance this is your signal a shift would verify it. > > One screen from last night: > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/135922khz02jan05.jpg > > 73, > Dex > Hi Dex, I couldnt identify any callsign from what your screenshot shows. I have shift the QRG now to 135.992205kHz. good luck Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80764 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:46:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVJo-0001KO-6y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:44:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVJn-0001Jw-3D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:44:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClVLJ-000N68-7e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:46:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVL9-00048n-21 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVL8-00048e-LT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:54 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClVL3-0000nD-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:54 +0000 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVL3-0001Ct-04; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:45:49 +0100 Received: from (SUcBlQZG8ePMHWrp5PwLOz67Bm7aDnAqusSt5QdcEGJApBiI--VGwH@[217.251.154.2]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVKp-0TXNis0; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:45:35 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D42386.31472.3B8575@localhost> <200412310215.38197.smtp01@email.it> <1CkQ1x-0Y32Sf0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <1ClDv7-1F4uxc0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:45:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1ClVKp-0TXNis0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: SUcBlQZG8ePMHWrp5PwLOz67Bm7aDnAqusSt5QdcEGJApBiI--VGwH X-TOI-MSGID: b212bc00-a6a3-4815-b3a7-eb789fb963fb X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Eu DX beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe Craig schrieb: > Hi Uwe and LF Group, > > I watched last night from 0000-0200 and recieved your sigs at "M". > No trace of G3XDV however. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > Hi Joe, fine, like last year. thanks 73 Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93859 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:46:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:46:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVJo-0001KT-9f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:44:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVJn-0001Jy-6G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:44:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClVLJ-00055p-5N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:46:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVL7-00048a-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVL7-00048R-7l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:53 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClVL3-0000nB-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:45:53 +0000 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVL3-0001Ct-03; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:45:49 +0100 Received: from (EAryCGZ18eNnGEUY+aa-1sTmxYr+S3XsZxJmLXISnH0f+1AYOOQ-0b@[217.251.154.2]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVKo-0TXNir0; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:45:34 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D28858.32351.A94C2B@localhost> <002c01c4edb9$408383f0$6501a8c0@eagles> <1CjgyQ-1mpG670@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> <41D88DD1.4020403@att.net> <41D89293.1010606@usa.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1ClVKo-0TXNir0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: EAryCGZ18eNnGEUY+aa-1sTmxYr+S3XsZxJmLXISnH0f+1AYOOQ-0b X-TOI-MSGID: 375e7d6f-6134-455c-9874-6bcf4fb0a6d9 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Re: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alberto di Bene schrieb: Captured the signal shown in the attached picture. Locator JN45sl, antenna just a 40m inverted V receiver JRC NRD-525, QTR around 00:00 UTC 73 Alberto I2PHD thanks Alberto 73 Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95322 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:52:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVPf-0002hv-ET for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:50:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVPf-0002hd-1X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:50:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClVR9-000P9k-LV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:52:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVQu-0004KE-Ds for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:51:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVQu-0004K5-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:51:52 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClVQp-0000pS-50 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:51:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 15678 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2005 16:51:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c4f1b4$973a8aa0$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D42386.31472.3B8575@localhost> <200412310215.38197.smtp01@email.it> <1CkQ1x-0Y32Sf0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <1ClDv7-1F4uxc0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:52:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Eu DX beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Nothing seen here last night. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26687 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 17:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 17:05:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVcy-00063j-Uu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:04:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVcy-00063f-Qx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:04:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClVeU-000CaU-Qd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:05:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVe6-0004O8-I7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:05:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVe6-0004Nz-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:05:30 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClVe2-0000sf-Gh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:05:30 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVe2-0006lP-02; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:05:26 +0100 Received: from (EfGQHaZvwe0NHIWXhzIt2JpKhBCpjLB1qfE4OIw42PqmcKQFAQXxUF@[217.251.164.82]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClVdn-1iy1Y00; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:05:11 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002d01c4f1b2$bd1acf20$05001aac@joan> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:05:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1ClVdn-1iy1Y00@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: EfGQHaZvwe0NHIWXhzIt2JpKhBCpjLB1qfE4OIw42PqmcKQFAQXxUF X-TOI-MSGID: 4c257e35-d32f-4dd2-b69b-e1fa894a4593 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.18 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: UE beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joan Morros schrieb: > > Hi, > Captured DJ8WX and G3XDW signals last nights. > Locator JN01HO. > Antenna : 9 m. sloper wire > receiver: home made DC. > QTR around 02:00 UTC > > 73, Juan EA3FXF > Holla Joan, thanks. would you pse send me the capture direct > dj8wx@qsl.net < ? or tell me the S+N/N ? in some weeks Ill change the matching equipment and would like an other report. if responding direct you may just as well write in spanish language because I do speak spanish (as bad as english). 73 Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64653 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 17:17:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVo9-00093I-3Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:15:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClVo9-00093F-0Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:15:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClVpe-0009Zx-Q4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:17:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVpJ-0004TG-Hw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:17:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClVpJ-0004T7-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:17:05 +0000 Received: from stress.telefonica.net ([213.4.129.135] helo=telesmtp4.mail.isp) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClVpA-0000vq-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:17:05 +0000 Received: from UserADSL ([83.36.171.16]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I9R40200.P91 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:16:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c4f1b7$fc95c740$2101a8c0@UserADSL> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c4f0ee$4ef9e860$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:16:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.4.129.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telefonica.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG 440KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Walter and All:
 
First of all, HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and for all members of the group.
 
Copied your signals last nigth on 440.0432 kHz, best time at 1.10 UTC. Unfortunately my receiving limit on this part of the spectrum isn´t the atmospheric noise, but the splaters of a local MW station. Have you, or any other member of the group, made any field strength measurement on this frequency of the mentioned atmospheric noise?
 
73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53ti
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG 440KHz

Dear All,
       at first happy new year to you.
And thank you very much for the response on my beacon testing. I got 27 mails - partly with screenshots - until now. Hope, the capacity of my harddisc will be sufficient ;-)
The mails came from G, LA, ON, F, DL.  Tonight the beacon will operate  QRSS10. Now DI2AG@fen-net.de is ready for use.
This morning I had some trouble in reading the mails from my account. While transfering the data the computer often stopped and the program crashed. No help? Yes, after searching for more than half an hour with my son I reduced the output of the 440KHz - that it was!
Keep in mind: Either 440KHz or computer, but not both;-)
Please dear friends give me your locator when reporting, it`s easier to calculate the distancies.
73
Walter
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6385 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 17:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 17:39:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClW9k-000EWU-Uo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:38:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClW9k-000EWR-Qv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:38:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClWBG-000IIj-7f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClWAp-0004ZY-MG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClWAp-0004ZP-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:19 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClWAl-00010s-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:19 +0000 Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103173901.CNXQ15658.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:39:01 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103173901.NTUF7419.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:39:01 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:38:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41D98333.32131.7FB0D7@localhost> In-reply-to: <002d01c4f1b2$bd1acf20$05001aac@joan> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: Re: LF: UE beacons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Captured DJ8WX and G3XDW signals last nights. > Locator JN01HO. > Antenna : 9 m. sloper wire > receiver: home made DC. > QTR around 02:00 UTC 73, Juan EA3FXF Juan, Thank you for the report. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6395 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 17:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 17:39:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClWA5-0009Yb-Vn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:38:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClWA5-0009YY-Sw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:38:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClWBG-000IJ4-SN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClWAy-0004Zl-W9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClWAy-0004Zc-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:28 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClWAm-00010t-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:39:28 +0000 Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103173911.COOS15658.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:39:11 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103173911.NUGQ7419.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:39:11 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:38:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41D98333.29430.7FB131@localhost> In-reply-to: References: <1ClDv7-1F4uxc0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Eu DX beacons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > I watched last night from 0000-0200 and recieved your sigs at "M". No > trace of G3XDV however. > Joe VO1NA Joe, Thanks for trying. I will beacon for a few more days, or until the conditions get poorer. Mike, G3XDV http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk ======================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98310 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 18:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 18:17:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClWky-000IDj-CO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:16:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClWky-000IDf-8V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:16:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClWm9-0007Yn-4y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:17:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClWlk-0004j4-3X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:17:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClWlj-0004iv-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:17:27 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClWlX-0001AL-Mo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:17:27 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.client.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050103181706012003jb4fe>; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:17:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c4f1c2$2951e980$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D42386.31472.3B8575@localhost> <200412310215.38197.smtp01@email.it> <1CkQ1x-0Y32Sf0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <1ClDv7-1F4uxc0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <001d01c4f1b4$973a8aa0$3801a8c0@JKA> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:29:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.56 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Eu DX beacons Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Ditto...
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Eu DX beacons

Nothing seen here last night.

John Andrews, W1TAG

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92812 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 19:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 19:41:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClY3s-000ILk-B2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:40:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClY3s-000ILh-8I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:40:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClY5N-000MKw-0B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:41:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClY4s-0004ur-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClY4s-0004ui-Ac for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClY4k-0001Sv-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:41:18 +0000 Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103194104.NQC15581.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:04 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103194104.UFLY769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:41:04 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:41:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41D99FCE.9588.EF6DD6@localhost> In-reply-to: <1ClVKn-0TXNiq0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: EU Beacons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > I have shift the QRG now to 135.992205kHz. > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv Uwe, Do you really mean 135.992...? Is it 135.92205? Mike, G3XDV. ============ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86240 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 20:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 20:22:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClYhQ-000JYU-El for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:21:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClYhQ-000JYN-1n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:21:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClYiZ-000B7H-Jh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:22:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClYhu-00053N-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:21:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClYhu-00053E-Ea for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:21:38 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClYhq-0001bp-S1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:21:38 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClYhq-0007ex-00; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:21:34 +0100 Received: from HW1 (E45mq4ZdQehZIVtRE0EEJNBW2L9GvHzLv+uQoGgO6ea4txitiHxxkn@[80.144.98.120]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1ClYhb-04Q9lA0; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:21:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:21:12 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1204727325.20050103212112@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: E45mq4ZdQehZIVtRE0EEJNBW2L9GvHzLv+uQoGgO6ea4txitiHxxkn X-TOI-MSGID: c2d8cb3f-5027-4a57-bd73-e22ce78534b9 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.18 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: 137.777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Traces from VO1NA visible on 137.777 kHz since 1930z. Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9714 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 20:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 20:33:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClYsF-0004r2-5w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:32:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClYsE-0004qt-UB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:32:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClYtj-000GHA-Fs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:33:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClYtW-00057o-Mo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:33:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClYtW-00057f-9c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:33:38 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClYtS-0001fB-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:33:38 +0000 Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103203329.MZJU10495.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:33:29 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050103203328.SQEE15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:33:28 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:33:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41D9AC15.9857.11F6201@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: EU Beacons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I am transmitting tonight on the usual frequency of 135.9215kHz. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66618 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 21:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 21:40:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClZuq-000Lnr-Qx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClZup-000Lnc-Qp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClZwJ-000ABy-P5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:40:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClZvA-0005It-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClZv9-0005Ik-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:23 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClZuy-0001vS-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:23 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005010321384101500cidjge>; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:38:47 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.115; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:38:38 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:38:38 +0000 Message-Id: <010320052138.27500.41D9BB5E00021FF900006B6C22007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: WD2XGJ QRSS 60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
WD2XGJ  is transmitting QRSS 60 on 137.7797, 250 watts into a loop.
Reports welcome
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70905 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 03:36:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 03:36:25 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClfTX-0004uQ-QW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:35:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClfTX-0004uN-OD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:35:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClfUf-0005ht-2B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:36:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClfTt-0006BG-5G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:35:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClfTs-0006B7-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:35:36 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClfTn-0002rE-58 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:35:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 15721 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 03:35:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 04 Jan 2005 03:35:25 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c4f20e$4f18b620$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:51:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: TA 04Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Have been watching VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ on the CT1DRP and G3YXM grabbers tonight. Dave will wish that he had set Argo for slow, rather than regular speed. Conditions have been pretty good in the 0100 - 0300 UTC range. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42331 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 07:05:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 07:05:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClijU-000KKC-RK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:03:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClijU-000KK1-Gs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:03:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Clika-0001nM-PJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:05:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clik5-0006eD-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:04:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clik4-0006e4-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:04:32 +0000 Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.158]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clijz-0003R9-7N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:04:32 +0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050104070404.WWKM23350.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:04:04 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.64.133]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050104070403.CJSY29485.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:04:03 +1300 Message-ID: <000301c4f22b$91a965d0$854036d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c4ee93$840aa5b0$6802a8c0@Leo> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:03:22 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: New Year, New Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Marcelo thank you for the New Year test. I could not copy your signal in ZL but look forward to more tests from South America. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98127 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 07:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 07:18:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CliwV-000EzG-MD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:17:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CliwV-000EzD-Jl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:17:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Clixv-000GJm-Ix for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clixh-0006j2-O5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clixh-0006it-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:37 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clixd-0003TR-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:37 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104071826.YPFW16642.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: <007e01c4f22d$b5935bc0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:19:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TIL in QRSS60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
shack in pieces and web site is not presently being updated...
 
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20947 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 13:48:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 13:48:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clp1R-000LbA-OJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:46:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clp1R-000Lb7-LV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:46:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Clp2o-000NJR-Uw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:48:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clp26-0007Tg-I9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:47:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clp25-0007TX-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:47:33 +0000 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clp20-0004c0-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:47:33 +0000 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41D97FBC00092313 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:47:03 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:46:58 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4198ECC5001DD957 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:46:59 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:46:58 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41CBE7E500031CCC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:46:24 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:46:24 +0100 Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:48:16 +0100 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEE7F@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:48:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Walter et al.
 
I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM .
A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this morning  tend to show a deep  QSB (period around 1 minute).
Have you got other similar remarks ?
 
73
 
Jean-Louis F6AGR
Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris
 
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG 440KHz

Dear All,
       at first happy new year to you.
And thank you very much for the response on my beacon testing. I got 27 mails - partly with screenshots - until now. Hope, the capacity of my harddisc will be sufficient ;-)
The mails came from G, LA, ON, F, DL.  Tonight the beacon will operate  QRSS10. Now DI2AG@fen-net.de is ready for use.
This morning I had some trouble in reading the mails from my account. While transfering the data the computer often stopped and the program crashed. No help? Yes, after searching for more than half an hour with my son I reduced the output of the 440KHz - that it was!
Keep in mind: Either 440KHz or computer, but not both;-)
Please dear friends give me your locator when reporting, it`s easier to calculate the distancies.
73
Walter
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19699 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 14:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 14:55:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clq4a-000FRL-4f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:54:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clq4Y-000FQz-UA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:54:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Clq5v-000NrB-KQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:55:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clq5L-0007f7-3w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:54:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clq5K-0007ey-Ea for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:54:58 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clq5G-0004rv-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:54:58 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-095.fen-net.de [212.204.116.95]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j04EqxBh024983 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:52:59 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002301c4f26e$1f7b11a0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:40:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Jean-Louis,
         thank you very much for your interesting report. No, I havn`t got a statement like yours derived from such an amount of screenshots.  I think, another OM made a remark like yours after obsering the beacon for a while. What do you think: Is it possible to reduce the amount of data reasonably and then transfer to me? DI2AG@fen-net.de ( My box has only 10MB ).
73    Walter
 
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com <Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 4. Januar 2005 14:47
Betreff: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz

Walter et al.
 
I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM .
A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this morning  tend to show a deep  QSB (period around 1 minute).
Have you got other similar remarks ?
 
73
 
Jean-Louis F6AGR
Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris
 
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG 440KHz

Dear All,
       at first happy new year to you.
And thank you very much for the response on my beacon testing. I got 27 mails - partly with screenshots - until now. Hope, the capacity of my harddisc will be sufficient ;-)
The mails came from G, LA, ON, F, DL.  Tonight the beacon will operate  QRSS10. Now DI2AG@fen-net.de is ready for use.
This morning I had some trouble in reading the mails from my account. While transfering the data the computer often stopped and the program crashed. No help? Yes, after searching for more than half an hour with my son I reduced the output of the 440KHz - that it was!
Keep in mind: Either 440KHz or computer, but not both;-)
Please dear friends give me your locator when reporting, it`s easier to calculate the distancies.
73
Walter
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85493 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 15:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 15:48:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClquN-000OWv-LC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:47:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClquN-000OWp-C5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:47:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClqvQ-000BH7-2j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:48:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clquz-0007qH-Ek for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:48:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clquy-0007q8-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:48:20 +0000 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clquu-00056E-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:48:20 +0000 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41D97FBC000A0968 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:47:55 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:47:50 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4198ECC5001DFD56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:47:50 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:47:50 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41CBE7E500033985 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:47:16 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:47:16 +0100 Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:49:09 +0100 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEE83@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:48:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG 440KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Well, before sending you any reliable data, I would like to be sure that the QSB is not an artefact coming from my rig.
I'm presently using an ICOM IC738 as receiver and ARGO (by I2PHD/IK1as processing software.
The IC-738 has its own AGC working with a 400 Hz IF bandpass and ARGO has also its own software AGC which don't know exactly what the algorithm is.
So one can imagine that some other spurious signals close to 440,044 kHz (aero beacons or local QRM/QRN)  could maybe affect the DI2AG S/N ratio on the ARGO displays.
What I propose is just to send you a few ARGO snapshots (150 ko each) tonite just to show you the QSB I'm talking about.
Within the next few days, I plan to record automatically some audio files at some specific times (midday, midnight, sunrise, sunset)
Storing audio raw data will allow me to play and replay and rereplay the samples with powerful FFT tools such as Spectrum Lab.
 
73
 
Jean-Louis 
 
 
 
 
 -----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de Walter Staubach
Envoyé : mardi 4 janvier 2005 15:41
À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Objet : LF: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz

Dear Jean-Louis,
         thank you very much for your interesting report. No, I havn`t got a statement like yours derived from such an amount of screenshots.  I think, another OM made a remark like yours after obsering the beacon for a while. What do you think: Is it possible to reduce the amount of data reasonably and then transfer to me? DI2AG@fen-net.de ( My box has only 10MB ).
73    Walter
 
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com <Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 4. Januar 2005 14:47
Betreff: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz

Walter et al.
 
I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM .
A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this morning  tend to show a deep  QSB (period around 1 minute).
Have you got other similar remarks ?
 
73
 
Jean-Louis F6AGR
Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris
 
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG 440KHz

Dear All,
       at first happy new year to you.
And thank you very much for the response on my beacon testing. I got 27 mails - partly with screenshots - until now. Hope, the capacity of my harddisc will be sufficient ;-)
The mails came from G, LA, ON, F, DL.  Tonight the beacon will operate  QRSS10. Now DI2AG@fen-net.de is ready for use.
This morning I had some trouble in reading the mails from my account. While transfering the data the computer often stopped and the program crashed. No help? Yes, after searching for more than half an hour with my son I reduced the output of the 440KHz - that it was!
Keep in mind: Either 440KHz or computer, but not both;-)
Please dear friends give me your locator when reporting, it`s easier to calculate the distancies.
73
Walter
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88143 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 16:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 16:23:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClrRe-000Gte-W4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:22:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClrRe-000Gtb-TJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:22:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClrT1-000EMv-6B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:23:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClrSU-0007x5-61 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:22:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClrST-0007ww-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:22:57 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClrSP-0005Cm-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:22:57 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1ClrSG-0000BA-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:22:44 +0100 Received: from pd4b9ec5a.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.236.90] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1ClrSG-0006IS-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:22:44 +0100 Message-ID: <41DAC2E0.7080503@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:22:56 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEE83@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> In-Reply-To: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEE83@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: DI2AG 440KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Walter and Jean-Louis, The QSB on DI2AG is really QSB, nothing artificial. I have the same effect with a different software, and a different receiver. I made a sequence of screenshots on Jan 1st, which shows the same effect (and its not caused by any AGC). The results (a series of screenshots) are still available at http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/di2ag/index.htm I will update that "report site" from time to time. Walter, any suggestion to add a link to that site ? 73, Wolf DL4YHF . JO42FD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54490 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 16:52:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clru8-000FZz-Fd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:51:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clru8-000FZs-4B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:51:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClrvA-0002im-Qq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:52:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clrup-00084R-C5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:52:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clrup-00084I-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:52:15 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clruk-0005HW-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 16:52:14 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Clrue-0001wS-00; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:52:04 +0100 Received: from (TWKXw+ZpYefYRAk+ncTmnQkuVnPXdUu2vjNyHmVIag+qwlkWNEvm6Y@[217.251.199.1]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ClruL-0J2UxU0; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:51:45 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D99FCE.9588.EF6DD6@localhost> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:51:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1ClruL-0J2UxU0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: TWKXw+ZpYefYRAk+ncTmnQkuVnPXdUu2vjNyHmVIag+qwlkWNEvm6Y X-TOI-MSGID: f166c3f8-2ff8-47f4-a736-5bd4db4e1fbe X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.83 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike Dennison schrieb: > > I have shift the QRG now to 135.992205kHz. > > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > Uwe, > > Do you really mean 135.992...? Is it 135.92205? > > Mike, G3XDV. > ============ > > yes, Mike - sri Uwe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38508 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 17:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:20:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClsLG-000NOt-JM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:19:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClsLG-000NOq-Ge for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:19:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClsMI-000Lh2-Di for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClsM7-0008BC-P1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClsM7-0008B3-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:27 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClsLv-0005OZ-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:27 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.32.213 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:20:08 -0000 Message-ID: <003e01c4f281$9f67cee0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEE7F@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:16:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Jean-Louis, and Walter. I see a rapid almost cyclical fading on some 136kHz signals immediately after a geomagnetic storm (we have had several minor storms Kp=5 recently), the period usually lengthens on successive nights. I have suggested that this might be due to the plasma cloud "slapping" the ionosphere on one side and it then "ringing" like a wobbly jelly ( I must have eaten too much this Christmas !!) This would cause the "reflection" level to move up and down a few hundreds of metres maybe even a kilometre, which is quite sufficient to swing through a 180degree phase change. The movement required for a "null" at 440kHz is much less than at 136kHz. I would certainly be interested to see if the period of the fades increases over the course of the next few nights. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 04 January 2005 13:48 Subject: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz > Walter et al. > > I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM . > A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this morning tend to show a deep QSB (period around 1 minute). > Have you got other similar remarks ? > > 73 > > Jean-Louis F6AGR > Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38723 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 17:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:20:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClsKz-0008sW-HW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:19:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClsKy-0008s9-GL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:19:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClsMK-000Lhl-5T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClsLz-0008Az-QU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClsLz-0008Aq-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:19 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClsLv-0005Oa-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:20:19 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.32.213 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:20:09 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01c4f281$a0313960$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 17:19:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, nice to see some PSK31 copy on LF (137.500) from my old friend Brian....last time we worked was probably on VHF RTTY using Creed teleprinters. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20589 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:18:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 18:18:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CltEe-0001G9-2T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:16:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CltEe-0001G6-08 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:16:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CltFz-000GTZ-AO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:18:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CltFB-0008PE-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:17:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CltFB-0008P5-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:17:21 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CltF7-0005bp-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:17:21 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-6-250.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.6.250]:2639 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CltF0-0009km-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:17:10 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:17:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41DAC2E0.7080503@freenet.de> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: RE: LF: Re: DI2AG 440KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Walter & LF, Same sort of fading seen here also. Regards Gary - G4WGT (IO83qp) Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF Sent: 04 January 2005 16:23 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: DI2AG 440KHz Hello Walter and Jean-Louis, The QSB on DI2AG is really QSB, nothing artificial. I have the same effect with a different software, and a different receiver. I made a sequence of screenshots on Jan 1st, which shows the same effect (and its not caused by any AGC). The results (a series of screenshots) are still available at http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/di2ag/index.htm I will update that "report site" from time to time. Walter, any suggestion to add a link to that site ? 73, Wolf DL4YHF . JO42FD -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63676 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 19:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 19:20:04 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CluCl-0000YE-IQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:18:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CluCk-0000Y4-Kf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:18:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CluDl-000Mhx-UZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CluD9-000084-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CluD9-00007v-7F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:19 +0000 Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.176]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CluD5-0005mV-Ey for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 31788 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 19:19:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20050104191910.31786.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:19:10 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:19:10 +0000 (GMT) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003f01c4f281$a0313960$6507a8c0@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.10.176 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of yahoo.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00)
Hi Alan -
 
many thanks for the report - you're my best Dx report on LF so far.....
 
Apart from the PSK31 I've also loaded up the software for the faster Jason and MSK08/31 so will be trying them out on 137.5
 
Brian
 
PS sri if you've tried a direct email but Onetel have screwed up my usual account so I'm using Yahoo for a few days.

Alan Melia <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi all, nice to see some PSK31 copy on LF (137.500) from my old friend
Brian....last time we worked was probably on VHF RTTY using Creed
teleprinters.




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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46600 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 19:48:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 19:48:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClueK-000OpM-6K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:47:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClueK-000OpJ-3o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:47:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Clufe-0009fV-R6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:48:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClufI-0000Fj-3E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:48:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClufH-0000Fa-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:48:23 +0000 Received: from bay102-f9.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.19] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cluf9-0005r4-9T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:48:23 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:48:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:47:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <005d01c4f20e$4f18b620$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:47:36 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 19:48:08.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[507E57D0:01C4F296] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.19 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: RE: LF: TA 04Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Ive just modified the outboard preamps for the FT817 and now have to "seried" 2 x g3yxm/mrf bandpass amps and thats woken the 817 up! More than sufficient gain and I may end up putting a T 50 ohm attenuator between the two small boards to limit it a bit... CFH on 137Khz was strong FSK at local lunchtime 18Z here in Oklahoma over the rain/general static Laurence Kl1x/5 em26aq 137,7752/137,7755 dfcw90 1Kw wet and freezing rain >From: "John Andrews" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: TA 04Jan >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 02:51:21 -0000 > >Have been watching VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ on the CT1DRP and G3YXM >grabbers >tonight. Dave will wish that he had set Argo for slow, rather than regular >speed. Conditions have been pretty good in the 0100 - 0300 UTC range. > >John Andrews > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52506 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 19:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 19:54:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clujb-000Pqg-Rt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:52:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clujb-000Pqd-Pc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:52:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Clukw-0000JL-KF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:54:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clukp-0000Kv-Vm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:54:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clukp-0000Km-Ju for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:54:07 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clukl-0005sO-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:54:07 +0000 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Clukk-00083z-01; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:54:02 +0100 Received: from privat-qarqn262 (ZG9jNrZeweBgnB4Lxa2C3VUW0JJqVbB4+iJ8TbCj-yZ5eV9xEtQ78C@[217.245.155.81]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Clukh-1Vqtvf0; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:53:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:53:52 +0100 From: Thomas Lindenthal To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-mailer: Foxmail 5.0 [de] Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1Clukh-1Vqtvf0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: ZG9jNrZeweBgnB4Lxa2C3VUW0JJqVbB4+iJ8TbCj-yZ5eV9xEtQ78C X-TOI-MSGID: 3e957bcc-0f2f-4e6d-a930-eb54993b9a40 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.19 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305,SARE_XMAIL_BULK3a=0.194,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL=0.47 Subject: Re: Re: LF: SAQ special event - Jan 19, 2005 1700utc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello,
in the RSGB LF Group I saw your Announcement for the SAQ Transmission. I think 17:00 is a fine Time, most of the Operator are back from their work.
Since 1 Month I am able to listen to the longest Waves ELF/VLF too. I operate a EKD315 (former GDR Intelligence Sce./Military Receiver) and a RF system DX-One Pro MarkII. So lets listen this Afternoon to 17.2 kHz.
 
73 Thomas Lindenthal DE8RTL
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52510 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 19:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 19:54:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clujv-0008RL-4I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:53:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clujv-0008RI-1c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:53:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Clukw-0000JQ-KD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:54:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cluke-0000Ki-V1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:53:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cluke-0000KZ-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:53:56 +0000 Received: from f2phy.netins.net ([167.142.229.65] helo=cgpf2.cgp.netins.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClukZ-0005sF-SP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 19:53:56 +0000 Received: from [167.142.32.126] (HELO tomoqdcnb7jv1y) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with SMTP id 681406253 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:53:49 -0600 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dr._Tom_Gruis=2C_K=D8HTF?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:53:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of netins.net designates 167.142.229.65 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: RE: LF: TA 04Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I would very much appreciate information on the modifications! Thanx, Doc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 13:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: TA 04Jan Ive just modified the outboard preamps for the FT817 and now have to "seried" 2 x g3yxm/mrf bandpass amps and thats woken the 817 up! More than sufficient gain and I may end up putting a T 50 ohm attenuator between the two small boards to limit it a bit... CFH on 137Khz was strong FSK at local lunchtime 18Z here in Oklahoma over the rain/general static Laurence Kl1x/5 em26aq 137,7752/137,7755 dfcw90 1Kw wet and freezing rain From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74844 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 20:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 20:02:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClusI-000ATy-1L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:01:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClusG-000ATb-O0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:01:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClutI-000Gi1-3M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:02:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clusz-0000S0-KO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:02:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clusz-0000Rr-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:02:33 +0000 Received: from bay102-f11.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.21] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clusu-0005uc-Qm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:02:33 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:02:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:01:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:01:25 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 20:02:22.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DA5F890:01C4F298] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.21 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: RE: LF: TA 04Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Tom see http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/preamp.htm I fitted two of this is a small box and literally connected them in series They are nominal 50 ohm in/out devices and only cover the 137Khz band - sounds like a Q mulitplier as you tune across the band with the pre amp on... Ive not run figures on them in series but the gain is sufficient for the 817 with a bit to spare on a medium sized loop Laurence >From: Dr. Tom Gruis, KØHTF >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: RE: LF: TA 04Jan >Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:53:48 -0600 > >I would very much appreciate information on the modifications! > >Thanx, > >Doc. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X >Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 13:48 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: RE: LF: TA 04Jan > > >Ive just modified the outboard preamps for the FT817 and now have to >"seried" 2 x g3yxm/mrf bandpass amps and thats woken the 817 up! More >than >sufficient gain and I may end up putting a T 50 ohm attenuator between the >two small boards to limit it a bit... > >CFH on 137Khz was strong FSK at local lunchtime 18Z here in Oklahoma over >the rain/general static > >Laurence Kl1x/5 em26aq >137,7752/137,7755 dfcw90 1Kw >wet and freezing rain > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21828 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 20:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 20:20:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clv9J-0006Qc-4P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:19:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clv9J-0006QZ-1g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:19:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClvAd-0006MN-QA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:20:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClvAC-0000XJ-Lr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:20:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClvAC-0000XA-6Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:20:20 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClvA5-0005xe-Gq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:20:20 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j04KK5np032679 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:50:05 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j04KK5I5027269 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:50:05 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j04KK53x018445; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:50:05 -0330 (NST) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:50:04 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: RE: LF: TA 04Jan Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I use a "Burhans" preamp with my FT-817. The measured gain was 30-35 dB. Like the G0MRF version Laurence is using, it uses a BJT and FET with a somewhat enigmatic biasing arrangement for the BJT. The 817 is very deaf without a preamp. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7173 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 20:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 20:56:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clvhm-000FTQ-V5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:55:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clvhm-000FT9-De for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:55:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Clvj6-000Cyu-LU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:56:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clvih-0000gG-Nn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:55:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clvih-0000g7-9r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:55:59 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.202.55]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clvic-00065p-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:55:59 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010420554201100g79mqe>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:55:47 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:54:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.55 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: RE: LF: TA 04Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Joe, Laurence, I have an FT857D (a wattier 817) in my car, and its deafness is of heroic proportions. If I were asked to come up with something that worked so well at HF but so dismally at LF, it'd be a struggle. It can't hear an NDB unless it's within about a hundred yards of it; absolutely amazing. So similarly, I use an Altoids tin containing a 500kHz low-pass filter and two series'd preamps to render it useful. Each preamp's configuration is based on: http://w7iuv.com/preamp.jpg only using FT50-J cores instead. It is broadly similar to a preamp by our very own Mr. Rusgrove, I believe the details of which are on John, W1TAG's site. Cheers, Steve 01/04/05 20:20:04, Joe Craig wrote: >I use a "Burhans" preamp with my FT-817. The measured gain >was 30-35 dB. Like the G0MRF version Laurence is using, >it uses a BJT and FET with a somewhat enigmatic biasing >arrangement for the BJT. > >The 817 is very deaf without a preamp. > >73 >Joe VO1NA > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11498 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 20:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 20:58:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClvkL-000OAr-HD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:57:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClvkL-000OAf-5L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:57:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClvlM-000Dy8-5G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClvlG-0000je-8Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:58:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClvlF-0000jV-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:58:37 +0000 Received: from mailfe04.swip.net ([212.247.154.97]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clvl8-000671-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:58:37 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.41.235] ([213.101.41.235] verified) by mailfe04.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 262372716 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:58:20 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.8]); Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:58:47 -0100 Message-ID: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:58:46 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.97 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_HDR_XT2PID=1.111 Subject: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All, I am playing around with Jason in fast mode. There is a little PIC controlled beacon centered on 3577.000000 kHz at the moment. Fast but no turbo. Reports are welcome. Sorry for this off-band note... 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19938 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 21:03:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 21:03:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clvp3-000Gcv-0C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:02:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clvp2-000Gcq-H9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:02:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClvqM-000LsF-Rj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:03:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clvq9-0000nc-Oh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:03:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clvq9-0000nT-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:03:41 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clvq4-00068e-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:03:41 +0000 Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050104210327.QQRU22154.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:03:27 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050104210327.PCET11644.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:03:27 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:03:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41DB049D.11621.1279FEA@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: XDV not beaconing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Judging by W3EEE's DCF39 plot which shows good signals all day today, night time DX conditions are about to collapse. Therefore I will not be beaconing for a few days. Instead I will set the receiver on 137.777kHz. Many thanks to Dex and others who have searched for my signals over the last week. Mike, G3XDV lf.apersonalguide.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26364 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 21:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 21:07:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClvsL-000PQ7-BN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:05:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClvsL-000PQ4-8V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:05:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClvtL-000H7F-Um for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:07:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClvtB-0000s9-Br for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:06:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClvtB-0000s0-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:06:49 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clvt6-00069e-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:06:48 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Clvst-0004Z1-Np for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:06:31 +0100 Received: from pd4b9ec5a.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.236.90] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Clvst-0005N6-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:06:31 +0100 Message-ID: <41DB057D.30302@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:07:09 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050104191910.31786.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050104191910.31786.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Brian and group, As I am also interested in some "inter-EU" tests... do you have any preferred times of activity ? Since I cannot operate on LF from home, a sked would be appreciated. Still on vacation here so I can be at DF0WD any time. My ERP is 80 mW at best, locator JO42FD (roughly 600 km east of London ;-) so using PSK31 may be a bit optimistic, "Jason Fast" or even -Turbo, or possibly PSK08 may be more suited for this distance. For PSK08 & co, make sure you have at least Spectrum Lab V2.4 b26 installed, because the filters have been improved now to make them more immune against strong carriers in the vincinity of the wanted signal. Hw ? 73, Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD . P.S: Thanks RA3YO and YU7AR for the QSOs on monday night. Teo was audible here so QRSS10 had a safety margin of many dB's ... ;-) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22892 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 21:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 21:48:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClwW7-0008eN-Un for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:47:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClwW7-0008eK-Rz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:47:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClwX8-0008Iz-G5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:48:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClwW0-0000zZ-OF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:46:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClwW0-0000zQ-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:46:56 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClwVv-0006KA-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:46:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050104214645.DAXD26633.priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:46:45 -0700 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:46:44 -0800 Message-ID: <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:46:44 -0800 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> In-Reply-To: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.240 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Johan 80m has been open into Europe in the predawn hours here for the last couple of days. I'll have a listen tonight for you if you're still on. 73 Scott Quoting Johan Bodin : > Hi All, > > I am playing around with Jason in fast mode. > There is a little PIC controlled beacon centered > on 3577.000000 kHz at the moment. > > Fast but no turbo. > > Reports are welcome. > > Sorry for this off-band note... > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41563 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clwdl-0004eW-OD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:55:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clwdl-0004eT-LL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:54:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Clwf5-000Ak7-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:56:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clweq-00014X-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:56:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clwep-00014O-ML for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:56:03 +0000 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clwek-0006MI-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:56:03 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.175.238 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 21:55:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c4f2a8$286d5d60$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050104191910.31786.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:41:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,TW_KB=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Brian yes I did there a a couple of short text files from the Digipan log which will be waiting for you....they didn't bounce...so they are probably in your box. Ok on fast Jason...there is also a set of "Turbo" Jason options that have a shorter, slightly sub-optimum el length, but should be quite useful where S/N is good. The Part 5 boys seem to think that Jason is maybe just a bit better than PSK31 at fighting the noise on LF. So the fast version would seem a good kbd-kbd mode. I think you got a bit stronger as it went dark but I also got a load of TV PSU QRM come up. Well done Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian hodgson" To: Sent: 04 January 2005 19:19 Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich > Hi Alan - > > many thanks for the report - you're my best Dx report on LF so far..... > > Apart from the PSK31 I've also loaded up the software for the faster Jason and MSK08/31 so will be trying them out on 137.5 > > Brian > > PS sri if you've tried a direct email but Onetel have screwed up my usual account so I'm using Yahoo for a few days. > > Alan Melia wrote: > Hi all, nice to see some PSK31 copy on LF (137.500) from my old friend > Brian....last time we worked was probably on VHF RTTY using Creed > teleprinters. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55471 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 22:02:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 22:02:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clwja-0005ow-CQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:00:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Clwja-0005ot-9I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:00:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Clwku-000PVe-B4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:02:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clwke-00018E-Q5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:02:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clwke-000185-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:02:04 +0000 Received: from mailfe02.swip.net ([212.247.154.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClwkZ-0006O1-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:02:04 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.36.84] ([213.101.36.84] verified) by mailfe02.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 263573362 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:01:52 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.8]); Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:02:19 -0100 Message-ID: <41DB207A.9010203@tele2.se> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:02:18 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> In-Reply-To: <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_HDR_XT2PID=1.111 Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Scott, yes I will be on but I'm quite pessimistic about the chances on 80m. I am running only 200mW at the moment. So far, I have got one report from Germany. 73 Johan > I'll have a listen tonight for you if you're still on. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59385 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 22:53:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 22:53:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClxX1-000Frq-CH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:52:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClxX0-000Frl-5O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:52:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClxY0-0007Pz-Eu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:53:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClxWJ-0001Iy-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:51:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClxWI-0001Ip-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:51:18 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClxWD-0006WP-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:51:18 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ADA48 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:51:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.128] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:51:04 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg128.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID638JaDwze9047X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.143.189] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 979JaDwza0339M28; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:51:00 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.143.189 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41DB1DD6.3000209@usa.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:51:02 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> <41DB207A.9010203@tele2.se> In-Reply-To: <41DB207A.9010203@tele2.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID979JaDwzB0339X28 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070301090100010500070705" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_06, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_14,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070301090100010500070705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Johan Bodin wrote:
yes I will be on but I'm quite pessimistic about the
chances on 80m. I am running only 200mW at the moment.

So far, I have got one report from Germany.
Hi Johan,

 add to that a partial report fom Italy... see embedded picture.
I am sure that in Normal speed copy would have been near to 100%.
The Hendrixizer reduced the number of errors, at least with the
strong QRN I have on this frequency.

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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<20050105000023.HBUH10495.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:00:23 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.188.106]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050105000022.PYAE15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:00:22 +0000 Message-ID: <00b801c4f2b9$dbe05440$64540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:02:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ?? you mean around 1400 UTC ? Not sure your Qth but guessing from the VE7 Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m > Johan > > 80m has been open into Europe in the predawn hours here for the last couple of > days. I'll have a listen tonight for you if you're still on. > > 73 Scott > > > > Quoting Johan Bodin : > > > Hi All, > > > > I am playing around with Jason in fast mode. > > There is a little PIC controlled beacon centered > > on 3577.000000 kHz at the moment. > > > > Fast but no turbo. > > > > Reports are welcome. > > > > Sorry for this off-band note... > > > > 73 > > Johan SM6LKM > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76511 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 02:33:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 02:33:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm0xr-0008q4-AB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:32:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm0xq-0008pv-QM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:31:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cm0z6-000ASn-AI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:33:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm0yJ-0001v6-3z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:32:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm0yI-0001ux-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:32:26 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm0yD-00078K-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:32:26 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050105023214.MWRE26633.priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c4f2ce$e6021f20$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> <00b801c4f2b9$dbe05440$64540150@captbrian> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 18:33:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.240 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Yes, Have heard Gs,SMs,UAs etc... Some real nice DX into ZL and south pacific as well. 73 Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m > ?? you mean around 1400 UTC ? Not sure your Qth but guessing from the VE7 > > Bryan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m > > > > Johan > > > > 80m has been open into Europe in the predawn hours here for the last > couple of > > days. I'll have a listen tonight for you if you're still on. > > > > 73 Scott > > > > > > > > Quoting Johan Bodin : > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I am playing around with Jason in fast mode. > > > There is a little PIC controlled beacon centered > > > on 3577.000000 kHz at the moment. > > > > > > Fast but no turbo. > > > > > > Reports are welcome. > > > > > > Sorry for this off-band note... > > > > > > 73 > > > Johan SM6LKM > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92383 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 06:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 06:23:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm4YU-0004EH-AS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:22:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm4YU-0004EE-81 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:22:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cm4Zk-0004ms-3g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:23:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm4Yz-0002SZ-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:22:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm4Yz-0002SQ-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:22:33 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm4Yu-0007gi-5n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:22:33 +0000 Received: from ingolfdell [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7A58F7A0140; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:22:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c4f2ed$ff522140$0d00a8c0@ingolfdell> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:15:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
I recive weak signals from VO1NA this morning 06:21 UTC at JO65BP
 
Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88619 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 07:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 07:29:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm5aU-000GoZ-Cj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:28:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm5aU-000GoS-78 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:28:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cm5bk-0005VE-6j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:29:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm5bA-0002dO-8D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:28:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm5b9-0002dF-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:28:51 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm5b1-0007q8-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:28:51 +0000 Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050105072837.DTZG24912.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:28:37 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.188.11]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050105072837.RYCI11644.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:28:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c4f2f8$7b8bfec0$0bbc0150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> <00b801c4f2b9$dbe05440$64540150@captbrian> <000d01c4f2ce$e6021f20$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:30:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I'll be there today. G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Tilley To: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:33 AM Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m > Yes, > > Have heard Gs,SMs,UAs etc... > > Some real nice DX into ZL and south pacific as well. > > 73 Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "captbrian" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m > > > > ?? you mean around 1400 UTC ? Not sure your Qth but guessing from the VE7 > > > > Bryan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:46 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m > > > > > > > Johan > > > > > > 80m has been open into Europe in the predawn hours here for the last > > couple of > > > days. I'll have a listen tonight for you if you're still on. > > > > > > 73 Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Johan Bodin : > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I am playing around with Jason in fast mode. > > > > There is a little PIC controlled beacon centered > > > > on 3577.000000 kHz at the moment. > > > > > > > > Fast but no turbo. > > > > > > > > Reports are welcome. > > > > > > > > Sorry for this off-band note... > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > Johan SM6LKM > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13659 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 07:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 07:33:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm5eL-000Hkv-AG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:32:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm5eL-000Hks-5J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:32:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cm5fO-0007Vs-RR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:33:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm5eq-0002gU-Q8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:32:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm5eq-0002gK-Cr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:32:40 +0000 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm5ei-0007rG-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 07:32:40 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cm5eg-0003Eb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:32:30 +0100 Received: from [217.251.226.223] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Cm5ee-0004wZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 08:32:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c4f2f8$b5226d40$fe78a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01c4f2ed$ff522140$0d00a8c0@ingolfdell> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:32:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.227.126.186 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dk8kw.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070900070401050108050405" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070900070401050108050405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
VO1NA is still clearly visible right now on ARGO, around 45 minutes before sunrise in Germany.
 
Vy 73
 
Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: OZ7QC
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:15 AM
Subject: LF: VO1NA

Hi,
 
I recive weak signals from VO1NA this morning 06:21 UTC at JO65BP
 
Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC
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In a message dated 04/01/2005 20:56:35 GMT Standard Time, dsp@hifidelity.com writes:
Hi Joe, Laurence,

I have an FT857D (a wattier 817) in my car, and its deafness is of heroic
proportions.  If I were asked to come up with something that worked so well at
HF but so dismally at LF, it'd be a struggle.  It can't hear an NDB unless it's
within about a hundred yards of it;  absolutely amazing.

So similarly, I use an Altoids tin containing a 500kHz low-pass filter and two
series'd preamps to render it useful.  Each preamp's configuration is based on:
Hello and happy new year to all.
 
There have been a number of postings about the poor response of amateur radio receivers on 136kHz.
 
The main reason for this lack of performance is usually the internal attenuator that is switched in below 1.8MHz. On ICOM radios, the broadband transformers also run out of performance below 500kHz. This general problem seems to be more severe with radios that have already had their performances streatched to cover the 6m band.  e.g. The FT1000 and TS850 work well ( 28MHz max) but the IC756 746 and the FT817 are about 20dB 'deaf'.
 
Adding a yxm/mrf pre-amp will overcome the loss of the input attenuator (apx 10dB) and will have a few extra dB to help things along. However, I have had a couple of mails from people who expected the pre-amps to work when they were added to simple small verticals or wires.
 
The pre-amps are 50 Ohms (ish) in and out while the  impedance of a typical 7MHz vertical is a very small fraction of 1 Ohm. The loss between them is huge. You need a matching network.
 
I remember in the early days of 136k here in the UK working one enterprising operator who had built a trasnsmitter and had matched his HF vertical by adding a reel of enamelled copper wire in series. Tuning was achieved by sliding a ferrite rod into the center of the reel and adjusting for best signal. - Wonderful!
 
A small antenna that works well is the e-field probe as promoted by AMRAD a few years ago. This is a short antenna with a very high input impedance FET amplifier.
However, the e-field probe is an exception. If you want to get any reasonable signal, you need to match the antenna................then on most amateur sets, add a pre-amp.
 
73
 
David   G0MRF
 
 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48820 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 10:06:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 10:06:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm82h-0003su-Qv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:05:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm82h-0003sp-LX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:05:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cm83w-000K1a-Du for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:06:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm83X-000362-5L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:06:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm83W-00035t-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:06:18 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm83O-0008Ko-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:06:18 +0000 Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050105100604.KSSF15581.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:06:04 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050105100604.TJTO9818.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:06:04 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:06:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41DBBC0B.30447.81E873@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: VO1NA 4/5 Jan Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) As predicted, overnight conditions seemed unsettled. W3EEE's DCF39 plot shows signals lower than in previous weeks. Interestingly, VO1NA's QRSS120 signals suddenly peaked around 0320 and continued strong for about an hour. This was accompanied by what looks on the Argogram like Luxemburg Effect. I was using a QRSS30 screen and this speed, or even QRSS10, would have been easily usable, making a two-way possible with the right EU station. Pictures are at: http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk Mike, G3XDV =========== . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92699 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 10:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 10:48:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm8gj-000FMl-Qt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:46:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm8gj-000FMi-NR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:46:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cm8hy-000EC8-AB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:48:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm8hI-0003Dg-RX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm8hI-0003DX-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:24 +0000 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm8hB-0008UO-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:24 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-235.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.235] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Cm8h0-000J2V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c4f0bd$9a6f7f20$eb1686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <82.1ecc794c.2f0d0993@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:23:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96=0.257 Subject: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dave G0MRF said: > There have been a number of postings about the poor response of amateur > radio receivers on 136kHz. > > The main reason for this lack of performance is usually the internal > attenuator that is switched in below 1.8MHz. On ICOM radios, the broadband > transformers also run out of performance below 500kHz. This general problem seems to > be more severe with radios that have already had their performances streatched > to cover the 6m band. e.g. The FT1000 and TS850 work well ( 28MHz max) but > the IC756 746 and the FT817 are about 20dB 'deaf'. > > Adding a yxm/mrf pre-amp will overcome the loss of the input attenuator (apx > 10dB) and will have a few extra dB to help things along. However, I have had > a couple of mails from people who expected the pre-amps to work when they > were added to simple small verticals or wires. > > The pre-amps are 50 Ohms (ish) in and out while the impedance of a typical > 7MHz vertical is a very small fraction of 1 Ohm. The loss between them is > huge. You need a matching network. > I built a pre-amp/LFtuner to add to the front end of a IC-706, which I used when on vacation in Marrakech, October 2003. The unit used two G0MRF preamps in series and must have worked reasonable well because it was used in a crossband 136kHz/7MHz QSO with G3AQC. The antenna was a 20m long doublet, fed with 6m of 400ohm ladder line, resonated using the tuner against the AC supply ground. The pre-amp/LF tuner was described in RadCom, Antennas column, December 2003. I have a PDF file of the article for anyone who would like a copy. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96039 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 10:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 10:49:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm8iE-000Fct-Au for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:48:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm8iD-000Fcl-UW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:48:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cm8jS-000El5-1D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:49:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm8jL-0003GF-VO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:49:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm8jL-0003G5-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:49:31 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm8jG-0008VT-Os for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:49:31 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-107.fen-net.de [212.204.116.107]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j05AlSV9014351 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:47:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <008b01c4f315$01c88dc0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:53:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks, Wolf, for your comments and the screenshots. Good idea to have a link. On the DARC main site one can find ("Aktuell") a reference to DI2AG. It is on the site of OV Uttenreuth, DOK B31. There is a description of DI2AG, but no screenshots until now. Do you have an idea to make a link?
73   Walter
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65250 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 11:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 11:20:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm9C8-000FVw-Ab for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:19:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm9C7-000FVd-H6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:19:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cm9D3-000Lup-Bz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:20:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm9Ch-0003OM-OO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm9Ch-0003OD-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm9CW-0000Bb-5C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-107.fen-net.de [212.204.116.107]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j05BHf2B023758 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:17:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:17:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j05BHf2B023758 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Alan, thanks for your interesting information. Great! So let us see what Jean-Louis with his excellent equipment and others will report the next days. And thanks for your help. 73 Walter -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Alan Melia An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Dienstag, 4. Januar 2005 18:19 Betreff: LF: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading >Hi Jean-Louis, and Walter. I see a rapid almost cyclical fading on some >136kHz signals immediately after a geomagnetic storm (we have had several >minor storms Kp=5 recently), the period usually lengthens on successive >nights. I have suggested that this might be due to the plasma cloud >"slapping" the ionosphere on one side and it then "ringing" like a wobbly >jelly ( I must have eaten too much this Christmas !!) This would cause the >"reflection" level to move up and down a few hundreds of metres maybe even a >kilometre, which is quite sufficient to swing through a 180degree phase >change. The movement required for a "null" at 440kHz is much less than at >136kHz. I would certainly be interested to see if the period of the fades >increases over the course of the next few nights. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia(at)btinternet.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: 04 January 2005 13:48 >Subject: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz > > >> Walter et al. >> >> I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM . >> A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this >morning tend to show a deep QSB (period around 1 minute). >> Have you got other similar remarks ? >> >> 73 >> >> Jean-Louis F6AGR >> Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7395 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 12:09:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 12:09:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm9xh-000ETP-Fa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:08:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm9xh-000ETM-9b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:08:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cm9yv-0003Jv-Fn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:09:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm9yI-0003ZT-Sa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:09:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm9yI-0003ZK-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:09:02 +0000 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm9y6-0000M7-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:09:02 +0000 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41DBAB1B00021AD8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:29 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:08:24 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4198ECC5001EA2F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:08:24 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:08:23 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41CBE7E50003C0AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:07:50 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:07:49 +0100 Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:09:42 +0100 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEE8F@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:09:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Alan Thanks for your interesting suggestion. I'm wondering why the "oscillating mirror" frequency would decrease when time passes. The amplitude of a jelly portion wobble decreases when the losses dampen the oscillations, but not the frequency which remains stable. So I would expect some diminishing QSB amplitude on the DI2AG records, and not QSB frequency decrease. Please what is the underlying theory about this frequency vs time decrease ? 73 Jean-Louis F6AGR > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de Alan Melia > Envoyé : mardi 4 janvier 2005 18:17 > À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Objet : LF: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading > > > Hi Jean-Louis, and Walter. I see a rapid almost cyclical > fading on some > 136kHz signals immediately after a geomagnetic storm (we have > had several > minor storms Kp=5 recently), the period usually lengthens on > successive > nights. I have suggested that this might be due to the plasma cloud > "slapping" the ionosphere on one side and it then "ringing" > like a wobbly > jelly ( I must have eaten too much this Christmas !!) This > would cause the > "reflection" level to move up and down a few hundreds of > metres maybe even a > kilometre, which is quite sufficient to swing through a > 180degree phase > change. The movement required for a "null" at 440kHz is much > less than at > 136kHz. I would certainly be interested to see if the period > of the fades > increases over the course of the next few nights. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia(at)btinternet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: 04 January 2005 13:48 > Subject: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz > > > > Walter et al. > > > > I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM . > > A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this > morning tend to show a deep QSB (period around 1 minute). > > Have you got other similar remarks ? > > > > 73 > > > > Jean-Louis F6AGR > > Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76019 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 12:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 12:21:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmA8r-000He1-G9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:19:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmA8p-000HdC-K2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:19:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmAA3-000I7P-Ol for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:21:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmA9n-0003dC-HC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmA9n-0003d3-2s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmA9b-0000Ox-W5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:20:54 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.147] (helo=mx4.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CmA9b-0007oG-HE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:20:43 +0100 Received: from p50905c21.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.92.33] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx4.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CmA9b-0003Xp-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:20:43 +0100 Message-ID: <41DBDBA3.8070205@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:20:51 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008b01c4f315$01c88dc0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <008b01c4f315$01c88dc0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Ok Walter, I have added a link to the B31 website now. Good luck with the experiments - will keep monitoring occasionally (since I only have one PC at home which cannot run 24/7). Besides this, no copy on SM6LKM's QRPP beacon this time. Too many wandering carriers, and at least one of them was always inside the JASON passband. Only some dots visible on the QRSS3 screen at times. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85102 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 12:24:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 12:24:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmACk-0004k9-8y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:23:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmACj-0004jl-EW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:23:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmADe-000JiI-Ue for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:24:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmADY-0003hK-HI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:24:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmADY-0003hB-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:24:48 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmADU-0000QD-Ct for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:24:48 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Jan 2005 12:24:37 -0000 Received: from pD9514FDD.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (217.81.79.221) by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 05 Jan 2005 13:24:37 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <001201c4f321$cb453fc0$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <82.1ecc794c.2f0d0993@aol.com> <001b01c4f0bd$9a6f7f20$eb1686d4@erica> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:26:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Peter, just to start LF. Could hear some stn but have to improve my RX- sensitivity. (TS930-S or FT- 847) May be a Pre- amp could improve performance. Therefore - please send me the diagramm or link to get it Uwe, DK1KQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3ldo" To: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF > Dave G0MRF said: > > > There have been a number of postings about the poor response of amateur > > radio receivers on 136kHz. > > > > The main reason for this lack of performance is usually the internal > > attenuator that is switched in below 1.8MHz. On ICOM radios, the broadband > > transformers also run out of performance below 500kHz. This general > problem seems to > > be more severe with radios that have already had their performances > streatched > > to cover the 6m band. e.g. The FT1000 and TS850 work well ( 28MHz max) > but > > the IC756 746 and the FT817 are about 20dB 'deaf'. > > > > Adding a yxm/mrf pre-amp will overcome the loss of the input attenuator > (apx > > 10dB) and will have a few extra dB to help things along. However, I have > had > > a couple of mails from people who expected the pre-amps to work when they > > were added to simple small verticals or wires. > > > > The pre-amps are 50 Ohms (ish) in and out while the impedance of a > typical > > 7MHz vertical is a very small fraction of 1 Ohm. The loss between them is > > huge. You need a matching network. > > > > I built a pre-amp/LFtuner to add to the front end of a IC-706, which I used > when on vacation in Marrakech, October 2003. The unit used two G0MRF preamps > in series and must have worked reasonable well because it was used in a > crossband 136kHz/7MHz QSO with G3AQC. The antenna was a 20m long doublet, > fed with 6m of 400ohm ladder line, resonated using the tuner against the AC > supply ground. > The pre-amp/LF tuner was described in RadCom, Antennas column, December > 2003. > I have a PDF file of the article for anyone who would like a copy. > > Peter, G3LDO > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1511 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 13:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 13:19:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmB3u-000IF3-45 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:18:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmB3t-000IEr-P6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:18:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmB4p-000Iy2-0d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:19:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmB4I-0003rs-Hr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:19:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmB4I-0003rj-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:19:18 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmB45-0000de-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:19:18 +0000 Received: from aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050105131859.FWDN10495.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:18:59 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050105131859.MJMU7271.aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:18:59 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:18:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41DBE940.12940.68F809@localhost> In-reply-to: <001201c4f321$cb453fc0$1201a8c0@uwe> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Pre-amps on LF Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Details of the G3YXM/G0MRF LF pre-amp and other advice on receivers can be found in the book LF Today, available from http://www.rsgb.org.uk. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73605 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 13:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 13:48:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmBUv-000FYa-Og for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:46:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmBUv-000FYX-K0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:46:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmBW9-000Gx8-6y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:48:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmBVm-0003zX-VJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:47:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmBVm-0003zO-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:47:42 +0000 Received: from mailfe09.swipnet.se ([212.247.155.1] helo=mailfe09.swip.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmBVi-0000jY-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:47:42 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.39.99] ([213.101.39.99] verified) by mailfe09.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 57816603 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:47:31 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.8]); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:47:58 -0100 Message-ID: <41DBFE1D.6010607@tele2.se> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:47:57 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DB1196.3060002@tele2.se> <1104875204.41db0ec45d621@webmail.telus.net> <41DB207A.9010203@tele2.se> <41DB1DD6.3000209@usa.net> <41DB2414.6060906@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41DB2414.6060906@usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.155.1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,SARE_HEAD_HDR_XT2PID=1.111 Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Alberto, thanks for the report! I also got reports from Steinar LA5VNA in JO59JQ Hartmut in JO52HO Pierre ON5SL in JO10TT but your report was the best DX :o) 73 Johan SM6LKM JO67MR -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46870 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 13:59:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 13:59:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmBg2-000IaD-5q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:58:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmBg1-000IZn-4b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:58:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmBhE-000NqM-6P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:59:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmBgw-000482-Vo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:59:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmBgw-00047s-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:59:14 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmBgr-0000o5-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:59:14 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CmBgh-0002T2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:58:59 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CmBgd-00068z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:58:55 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:58:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f32e$b196c5f0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008b01c4f315$01c88dc0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010500020208070209010309" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010500020208070209010309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear Walter, LF Group,

 

Rather belatedly a report on DI2AG – quite a good signal here since 1st January, best after dark but sometimes also visible during the day. The SNR on the spectrogram reaches as much as 30dB in a 0.3Hz bandwidth. Sometimes during the night, the CW ID is audible over the “FW” beacon about 50Hz down the band. Like others, I also see rapid QSB here, more like HF than LF.

 

The screen shot was obtained using an RA1792 RX with a 3m x 3m tuned loop – this set-up is not ideal, I can hear a considerable amount of intermodulation splatter from the nearby MF broadcast stations, and I am not sure yet if this is the fault of the receiving system, or an external “rusty bolt” effect.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

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X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID071JaeoK80362X28 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: OB: Fast Jason experiment on 80m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Johan Bodin wrote: > Hi Alberto, > > thanks for the report! > > I also got reports from > > Steinar LA5VNA in JO59JQ > Hartmut in JO52HO > Pierre ON5SL in JO10TT > > but your report was the best DX :o) Hi Johan and it could have been still better, had I not had that pesky QRN that kept my S-meter pinned at S9... the JRC noise blanker was completely ineffective against it. It was similar to that caused by a dimmer in my living room, which yesterday night was duly kept switched off. May some neighbour has a new toy.... :-( 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. This afternoon the electrical company has changed my meter with one of the new type, remotely read and controlled via low frequencies carried by the power wires. I do hope I won't have any added QRM from that... I noticed that they are externally programmable via an infrared port on the body of the meter itself.... now, almost every laptop nowadays has an infrared port.... time to put on again my old hacker hat, not used since many years...:-) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77327 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 15:01:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 15:01:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmCe0-000JMj-Sc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:00:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmCe0-000JMZ-GX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:00:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmCev-000MX1-05 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:01:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmCeL-0004PM-MX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:00:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmCeL-0004PD-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:00:37 +0000 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmCeH-00012y-9L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:00:37 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.84.54 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 15:00:26 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f337$34d2d640$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DBBC0B.30447.81E873@localhost> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:04:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA 4/5 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Mike, yes that is interesting, the longer path to CFH www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm shows the beginings of a peak at 0300z but was cut up by a deep fade in the middle. But the best steady signals was later from 0530 to 0800 but about 6dB lower than the peak would have been. Conditions were not too bad but are still likely to get worse yet I believe. (Kp=5 this morning) Last year (well 2003) I found Joe seemed to make the trip almost regardless of conditions, I dont think he is quite as strong this last 12 months. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: 05 January 2005 10:06 Subject: LF: VO1NA 4/5 Jan > As predicted, overnight conditions seemed unsettled. > W3EEE's DCF39 plot shows signals lower than in previous > weeks. > > Interestingly, VO1NA's QRSS120 signals suddenly peaked > around 0320 and continued strong for about an hour. This > was accompanied by what looks on the Argogram like > Luxemburg Effect. I was using a QRSS30 screen and this > speed, or even QRSS10, would have been easily usable, > making a two-way possible with the right EU station. > > Pictures are at: > http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > > . > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57668 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 16:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 16:25:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmDwm-000Ami-5s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:23:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmDwk-000AmO-UL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:23:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmDxx-0008U5-Br for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:24:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmDxG-0004dR-BC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:24:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmDxF-0004dI-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:24:13 +0000 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmDxB-0001Nx-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:24:13 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.233.47) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.6) id 41C75BBC0019AD55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:24:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c4f342$e57bbf60$2fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:22:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FIRE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
I have a trailer mounted telescopic lattice mast that might be useful for LF work. The trailer has two wheels with pneumatic tyres insulating it from the ground. I thought I might load this mast with a suitable loading coil in series for 137 khz but because of the high voltages the tyres might catch fire. Has anyone tried this before. 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11136 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 16:29:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 16:29:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmE1h-000GZ7-67 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:28:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmE1g-000GYy-HW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:28:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmE2a-000LUz-HP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:29:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmE2O-0004hW-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:29:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmE2O-0004hN-Ci for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:29:32 +0000 Received: from mailfe09.tele2.se ([212.247.155.1] helo=mailfe09.swip.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmE2J-0001QA-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:29:32 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.40.156] ([213.101.40.156] verified) by mailfe09.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 57930902 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:29:19 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.8]); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:29:43 -0100 Message-ID: <41DC23E6.5010504@tele2.se> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:29:10 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.155.1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,LOTS_OF_STUFF=0.029,SARE_HEAD_HDR_XT2PID=1.111 Subject: LF: [Fwd: [ndblist] FW: [QRP-L] Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I found this on another reflector and thought it might be interesting to the LF prop gurus. 73 Johan ####### -------- Ursprungligt meddelande -------- Ämne: [ndblist] FW: [QRP-L] Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances Datum: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:48:09 -0800 Från: Steve Ratzlaff Svar till: Beacons Till: Beacons NDB List Information and CLE Pages: http://www.beaconworld.org.uk/info.htm http://www.beaconworld.org.uk/cle59.htm This is pretty interesting, and directly affects LF. The author works at the Very Large Array (see last paragraph). Steve -----Original Message----- From: qrp-l-bounces@mailman.qth.net [mailto:qrp-l-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of na5n@zianet.com Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 6:49 PM To: qrp-l@mailman.qth.net Subject: [QRP-L] Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances Gang, There have been some episodes over the past week of some very strange Sudden Ionospheric Disturbances, or SIDs. These have not been caused by solar flares or the like, but rather from GRBs ... Gamma Ray Bursts, from very distant objects, like several hundred light years away. The biggest recent event was on December 27, 2004 when a massive gamma ray burst hit the earth about 2130 UTC from a Magnetar called SGR-1806. This GRB was so powerful that it was able to ionize our ionosphere, just like a solar flare, and cause ionospheric absorption down to the VLF frequencies. This indicates a GLE, a Ground Level Event, meaning the ionizing radiation from the GRB penetrated our atmosphere, all the way to ground level. There are amateur astronomers of sorts who monitor the signal strength from high powered VLF transmitters, such as the Navy stations NAA, NPM, NLK, etc. At VLF, signal strengths are fairly constant, varying a bit during day and night. Some of these amateur stations show a sudden absorption of signals at VLF due to the arrival of the GRB's. Some of their plots can be seen at: http://aavso.org Click on the "GCN #2932" button for the SID plots. Very interesting. For the real neophytes out there, http://gcn.gsfc.nasa.gov/gcn3_archive.html This is the clearinghouse for all observatories and satellites doing GRB monitoring and/or observing. A little on the heavy side, including several reports about the observing we're doing at the Very Large Array (VLA) radiotelescope on SGR-1806. Our normal observing schedule has been interupted to observe this strange phenomenon. The VLA has found SGR-1806 and is making images of it daily right now. It's not clear yet what SGR-1806 is, or was, other than something that possibly blew up big time, perhaps a collapsing pulsar, that has spewed debris and electrons out into space, traveling from 0.3 to 0.7 times the speed of light. It was the initial explosion, on Dec. 27th, that showered gamma rays into the earths ionosphere. This is an explosion that occured 200+ years ago, and the shockwave of gamma rays is so powerful, it was able to ionize our E and F layers, and absorb VLF propagation. Pretty impressive. If you look at the above link, "signal strengths" of the radio energy is measured by scientists by "flux density," using units of mJy ... milli Jansky's. For example, current VLA detected flux density of this event is about 100 mJy at L-band (1 GHz) and 30 mJy at C-band (8 GHz). 1 Jy (1 Jansky) = 1.7 x 10EE-23 mW. 1 mJy = 1.7 x 10EE-26 mW. Figure out what the dBm is of that. Now THAT is QRP! I noticed some complaining on qrp-l for several days after Dec. 27 about weird propagation and how some couldn't hear a "peep" on 80M, 6M, etc. Now you know why. 72, Paul NA5N PS - I work at the NRAO Very Large Array (VLA), the world's largest radio telescope, in Socorro, NM. However, I am posting this information from observatory information as a private individual ham radio QRP kind of guy. This is not an official observatory press release. It's not an official anything. You don't even have to believe it. And, I'm not using my work computer that tax payers bought me. So for those 3 individuals that have gotten a kick out of contacting my employer over my past solar/propagation posts, save your breath. I am not representing the NRAO in any way shape or form in this post or using tax payer stuff. For the rest of you, I hope you enjoy and find the info interesting. ______________________________________________________________ QRP-L mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qrp-l Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:QRP-L@mailman.qth.net _______________________________________________ Ndblist mailing list (access the mail archive and your settings from the link below!) Ndblist@beaconworld.org.uk http://mail.beaconworld.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ndblist_beaconworld.org.uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 2005-01-03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5426 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 17:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 17:45:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmFDE-000AmO-FC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:44:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmFDE-000AmL-CQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:44:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmFE7-000K8e-Tb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:45:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmFDM-0004vY-18 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:44:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmFDL-0004vP-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:44:55 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmFDG-0001jh-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 17:44:55 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-066.fen-net.de [212.204.116.66]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j05Hgobj026116 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:42:54 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004e01c4f34f$0a06cbc0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:43:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks a lot, James, for your interesting screenshot and report. I`m not sure abt your locator for calculating the distance, can I have it pse?
73   Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: james moritz <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Mittwoch, 5. Januar 2005 14:58
Betreff: LF: RE: DI2AG

Dear Walter, LF Group,

 

Rather belatedly a report on DI2AG – quite a good signal here since 1st January, best after dark but sometimes also visible during the day. The SNR on the spectrogram reaches as much as 30dB in a 0.3Hz bandwidth. Sometimes during the night, the CW ID is audible over the “FW” beacon about 50Hz down the band. Like others, I also see rapid QSB here, more like HF than LF.

 

The screen shot was obtained using an RA1792 RX with a 3m x 3m tuned loop – this set-up is not ideal, I can hear a considerable amount of intermodulation splatter from the nearby MF broadcast stations, and I am not sure yet if this is the fault of the receiving system, or an external “rusty bolt” effect.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

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Hi Mal
 
tyres today are filled with a bit of carbon which reduces the static build up
and shock when leaving the car . I never measured the resistance and it doesnt have
to be high to allow for bleed off. However, I suspect they dont work well as a LF base
HAR
 
Bob K3DJC  
 
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:22:58 -0000 "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net> writes:
Hi All
I have a trailer mounted telescopic lattice mast that might be useful for LF work. The trailer has two wheels with pneumatic tyres insulating it from the ground. I thought I might load this mast with a suitable loading coil in series for 137 khz but because of the high voltages the tyres might catch fire. Has anyone tried this before. 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75543 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 19:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 19:24:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmGkl-000DZY-3c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:23:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmGkj-000DZ4-Sx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:23:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmGlv-00010P-2k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:24:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmGl7-0005ET-Ee for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:23:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmGl7-0005EK-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:23:53 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmGl0-00022e-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:23:52 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CmGky-0006A0-02; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:23:44 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Gil-jZZYreaFjFVp6fsu5G7OVvIAo3TXr2yesUnPbmUR-XA4-uaZc-@[80.144.104.3]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CmGkh-0lS2G80; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:23:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:23:24 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <644725796.20050105202324@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Gil-jZZYreaFjFVp6fsu5G7OVvIAo3TXr2yesUnPbmUR-XA4-uaZc- X-TOI-MSGID: 8615ec50-1c62-43e5-9361-9c938373365f X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: WD2XES in Slow Jason 4/5th Jan Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090104020502060307030201" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090104020502060307030201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Very few signs copied from WD2XES last night. Best signal 2345-0030z visible in the attachement. Only copied in the "Hendrix" mode. 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Hi Wolf
 
Yes, I would like to try a sked - I could transmit at 1100 or 1200 UTC to-morrow (Thursday 6th) or Friday (7th) and possibly Sunday.
 
I did get some copy from your PSK08 QSO with Jim (M0MBU) a few weeks back so that may be the best mode to start with.
 
Brian

Wolf DL4YHF <dl4yhf@freenet.de> wrote:

As I am also interested in some "inter-EU" tests... do you have any
preferred times of activity ?
Since I cannot operate on LF from home, a sked would be appreciated.
Still on vacation here so I can be at DF0WD any time.

My ERP is 80 mW at best, locator JO42FD (roughly 600 km east of London
;-) so using PSK31 may be a bit optimistic, "Jason Fast" or even -Turbo,
or possibly PSK08 may be more suited for this distance.

For PSK08 & co, make sure you have at least Spectrum Lab V2.4 b26
installed, because the filters have been improved now to make them more
immune against strong carriers in the vincinity of the wanted signal.

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65339 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 20:00:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 20:00:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmHJi-000NUH-Mp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:59:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmHJi-000NUE-Iy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:59:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmHKt-000K2B-Io for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmHKY-0005RA-P8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmHKY-0005R1-Cr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:30 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmHKU-00028D-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:00:30 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9V00E1Y0WO7730@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:00:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j05JxnCB013139 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:00:09 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13132-01 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 12:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j05IwoAJ000817 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:59:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:58:33 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alan, Walter, and All, I have often visually observed the phenomena of intense Aurora waving and fluttering that would be in the range from rapid flutter to once every few minutes. Aurora (both visible and invisible) also occur after geomagnetic storms, and can be many hundreds of kilometers long. I observed a visible sinewave echo on VE7TIL's signal when he had QSB recently... His telltale sine wave signal was perfect for watching the effects of QSB. There was the direct wave clear as a bell and an echo which arrived long enough later that you could tell it was another incidence of the same signal but significantly out of phase. Consider borrowing Scott's signal format for a short period during your testing. It is excellent for our experimental work. It might also be good to check this site whenever the fading occurs, to see where the Auroral activity is relative to your area. There may be a correlation. http://sec.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html 73, J. VY1JA CP20kw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2970 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 20:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 20:07:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmHQn-000L8Z-QY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:06:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmHQn-000L8W-Nn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:06:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmHRg-000NC0-Gm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:07:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmHRQ-0005Wb-Sp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:07:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmHRQ-0005WS-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:07:36 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmHRK-0002AK-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:07:36 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CmHRB-0004Ec-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:07:21 +0100 Received: from p50905c21.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.92.33] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CmHRB-0004v2-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:07:21 +0100 Message-ID: <41DC491D.9020008@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:07:57 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050105194714.63708.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050105194714.63708.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832 Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Brian, Ok, I will be at DF0WD on thursday 11:00 UTC (maybe earlier), looking for any signals around 137.5 kHz, and put out occasinal calls in PSK08 and Jason Fast / Jason Fast Turbo mode. Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF (LF-op at DF0WD) P.S: Andy G4JNT mentioned a mixer using fast analog switches with a low on-resistance some months ago, unfortunately I couldn't find the message on my harddisk. Anybody remember the chip name ? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39805 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 20:21:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 20:21:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmHde-0002ML-Tu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:20:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmHde-0002MI-Qp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:20:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmHep-000BLP-N7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:21:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmHeW-0005au-56 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:21:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmHeV-0005al-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:21:07 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmHeR-0002Ci-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:21:07 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-29-89.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.29.89]:4521 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CmHdW-000GA6-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:20:06 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:21:37 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <41DC491D.9020008@freenet.de> Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: RE: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Wolf, Had a look in my deleted folder & found several references to SL6440 mixer, could it be the one. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF Sent: 05 January 2005 20:08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich P.S: Andy G4JNT mentioned a mixer using fast analog switches with a low on-resistance some months ago, unfortunately I couldn't find the message on my harddisk. Anybody remember the chip name ? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 03/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74151 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 20:45:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 20:45:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmI13-0008cF-Kg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:44:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmI12-0008bV-JQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:44:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmI2D-000I8N-3m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:45:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmI0w-0005hW-PE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:44:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmI0w-0005hN-DT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:44:18 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmI0o-0002Gg-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:44:18 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237E0781BC for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:44:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.128] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:44:02 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg128.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID663JaeuSc2502X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.147.64] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 927JaeuSa0071M28; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:44:00 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.147.64 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41DC5192.9070800@usa.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:44:02 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050105194714.63708.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <41DC491D.9020008@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41DC491D.9020008@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID927JaeuSa0071X28 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > P.S: Andy G4JNT mentioned a mixer using fast analog switches with a > low on-resistance some months ago, unfortunately I couldn't find the > message on my harddisk. Anybody remember the chip name ? Wolf, I don't know which chip was mentioned by Andy, but I have used with great success in my SDRadio project the Analog Devices ADG704, with a typical Rdson resistance of about 2.5 ohm. The chip is available from RS Components. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18047 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 20:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 20:54:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmI9k-0005kn-Hj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:53:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmI9k-0005kk-Ey for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:53:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmIAc-000Mor-RK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:54:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIAO-0005oO-5i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:54:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIAN-0005oF-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:54:03 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmIAI-0002JF-R2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:54:03 +0000 Received: by fmmailgate05.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j05KrGKu011011 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:53:53 +0100 Received: from [217.248.190.48] by freemailng1802.web.de with HTTP; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:53:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:53:52 +0100 Message-Id: <265168608@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.243 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY=0.151,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML=0.205 Subject: Re: LF: FIRE,Tyre, trailer from DK 8 ND Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020106010407060404010201" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020106010407060404010201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Mal, for my impression the capacity between antenna base and groundplane is pretty big for LF operation. The trailer will have about 4 m2 or so as surface to ground. On shortwave a spacing between vertical and support mast of about one ore mor diameters of the vertical is recomended. This means: Put Your trailer on empty boxes of beer to reduce ground capacity of the vertical element. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND (cba) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht (HTML) wurde als Anlage beigefügt.----- Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 05.01.05 18:47:54 An: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" Betreff: Re: LF: FIRE ________________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Wolf et alii, search the internet for H-mode-mixer, there are some proposals of an Italian and Japanese station. Or just use any fast analog switch with high operation voltage (5V...18V) with fast switching times. An H-Mode-Mixer is an H-Bridge of an switch mode power-Supply. The disadvantage of theese mixers is that most of the fast circuits You get only in SMD-Outline at distributors like Farnell and RS Comonents. Farnell has an interesting Fairchild-Circuit fo this purpose; FST 3125; for Longwave it is possible to use 4066 (CMOS) too. DJ1ZB has tried it for qrp-circuits. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 05.01.05 21:47:27: > > Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > > > P.S: Andy G4JNT mentioned a mixer using fast analog switches with a > > low on-resistance some months ago, unfortunately I couldn't find the > > message on my harddisk. Anybody remember the chip name ? > > Wolf, > I don't know which chip was mentioned by Andy, but I have used with > great success > in my SDRadio project the Analog Devices ADG704, with a typical Rdson > resistance > of about 2.5 ohm. The chip is available from RS Components. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt neu bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021193 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18954 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:06:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIKk-000D2N-5H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:04:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIKk-000D2K-2c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:04:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmILu-0009up-JB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:05:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmILm-0005uw-V9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:05:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmILm-0005um-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:05:50 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmILh-0002MC-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:05:50 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.27.70 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:05:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f36a$3cd9b4c0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEE8F@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:30:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Jean-Louis, sometimes it does, but I think there are a lot of different frequencies stimulated. I have had a few attempts to fourier analyse the plots, but not with a great deal of enthusiasm yet. If I look at a lot of my recordings there are obviously cases of beats between "waves" of different periods. But theory.....well no not yet....I am an empiricist.....get the measurements first and find a theory to fit later. I think there are things called "gravity waves" talked about in the realms of atmospheric and ionspheric physics (KN4LF's MF Propagation site has a reference to them), but I have not yet found much else of interest yet,except on I think it was the NOAA site, a program that prints out a quasi 3d representation of an oscillating sphere. I can envisage a mechanism that attenuates the high frequencies first but have not tried to work it out. I think that ocean waves might be the nearest analogue. The problem is that unlike water, the medium has a rapidly reducing density. Maybe there are some keen mathematicians around who would care to play with the ideas. Also the CME and solar wind is an "electro-magnetic" interaction. If it were not for the earths field I think the solar ions would penertrate right down into the atmosphere. Like all things it is probably a lot more complex, but at least I have a handle to enable me to talk about it and gather ideas. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 05 January 2005 12:09 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Hello Alan Thanks for your interesting suggestion. I'm wondering why the "oscillating mirror" frequency would decrease when time passes. The amplitude of a jelly portion wobble decreases when the losses dampen the oscillations, but not the frequency which remains stable. So I would expect some diminishing QSB amplitude on the DI2AG records, and not QSB frequency decrease. Please what is the underlying theory about this frequency vs time decrease ? 73 Jean-Louis F6AGR > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de Alan Melia > Envoyé : mardi 4 janvier 2005 18:17 > À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Objet : LF: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading > > > Hi Jean-Louis, and Walter. I see a rapid almost cyclical > fading on some > 136kHz signals immediately after a geomagnetic storm (we have > had several > minor storms Kp=5 recently), the period usually lengthens on > successive > nights. I have suggested that this might be due to the plasma cloud > "slapping" the ionosphere on one side and it then "ringing" > like a wobbly > jelly ( I must have eaten too much this Christmas !!) This > would cause the > "reflection" level to move up and down a few hundreds of > metres maybe even a > kilometre, which is quite sufficient to swing through a > 180degree phase > change. The movement required for a "null" at 440kHz is much > less than at > 136kHz. I would certainly be interested to see if the period > of the fades > increases over the course of the next few nights. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia(at)btinternet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: 04 January 2005 13:48 > Subject: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz > > > > Walter et al. > > > > I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM . > > A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this > morning tend to show a deep QSB (period around 1 minute). > > Have you got other similar remarks ? > > > > 73 > > > > Jean-Louis F6AGR > > Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41634 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:06:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:06:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmILS-000DAD-HN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:05:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmILS-000DA3-5h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:05:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmIMc-0002LE-Io for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:06:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIMX-0005yz-4x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:06:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIMW-0005yp-Mj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:06:36 +0000 Received: from mx-out.tiscali.fr ([213.36.80.91] helo=mail.libertysurf.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmIMR-0002MW-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:06:36 +0000 Received: from jeff (213.36.128.203) by mail.libertysurf.net (7.1.026) id 41A46BF500BDC6E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:06:25 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c4f36a$803a3dc0$cb8024d5@jeff> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050105194714.63708.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <41DC491D.9020008@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:06:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) 05./01/2005 2055z Hello! You can try IDTQS3126 or 74 FST3126 Ron is ~5 Ohms also simple MOS KP905 ( UR3IQO design) 73: Jeff F6CWN --------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf DL4YHF" P.S: Andy G4JNT mentioned a mixer using fast analog switches with a low > on-resistance some months ago, unfortunately I couldn't find the message > on my harddisk. Anybody remember the chip name ? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34043 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:11:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:11:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIQO-000Enn-1w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:10:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIQN-000Enk-UO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:10:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmIRY-0005pz-Ft for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:11:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIRO-00065i-0u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:11:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIRN-00065Z-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:11:37 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmIRI-0002Ol-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:11:37 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CmIQx-0002vS-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:11:11 +0100 Received: from p50905c21.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.92.33] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CmIQx-0000UE-Eg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:11:11 +0100 Message-ID: <41DC5835.8000204@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:12:21 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Mixers - thanks for info. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Many thanks Brian, Gary, Alberto and Dave, and of course Andy who wrote the initial message, > [from G4JNT] I did once make some measurements using an FST3125 bus switch > in a simple a double balanced mixer. > Exactly that was I was looking for - a fast "bus" switch with low on-resistance. Hopefully easier to find than some Plessey ICs.. I will try this in an image-cancelling mixer for my next LF exciter, maybe also in a new receiver. So far, a cheap 4.4336119 MHz crystal, a CMOS 4060 oscillator/divider, and an EXOR gate are all it takes to generate an 138.5 kHz quadrature signal to the two mixers... Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65630 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:22:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:22:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIb0-000Cho-U4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:21:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIaz-000Cgu-M6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:21:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmIbr-000KNZ-Uo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:22:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIbZ-0006CF-0M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:22:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmIbY-0006C6-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:22:08 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmIbU-0002Qa-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:22:08 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.27.70 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:21:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c4f36c$86e52c00$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DC5835.8000204@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:21:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Mixers - thanks for info. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Wolf if you want a ready made Plessey mixer Mainline Surplus have some in their lists still, I think its the SL6440 ....not quite as good as the the H-switch but you probably dont need to wind all those fiddly little binocular core transformers. From Memory they are under the RF components heading (or is ICs ??) Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf DL4YHF" To: "RSGB LF Group" Sent: 05 January 2005 21:12 Subject: LF: Mixers - thanks for info. > Many thanks Brian, Gary, Alberto and Dave, and of course Andy who wrote > the initial message, > > > > [from G4JNT] I did once make some measurements using an FST3125 bus > switch > > in a simple a double balanced mixer. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4332 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:41:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:41:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIsz-000MBE-6j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:40:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmIsz-000MBB-3k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:40:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmIu9-000BFi-Ed for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:41:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmItq-0006J2-Ty for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:41:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmItq-0006It-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:41:02 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmItm-0002U8-Pt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:41:02 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.27.70 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:40:52 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c4f36f$2aefe220$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <265173210@web.de> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:30:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.139 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich, analogue mixer with Video-Multiplexer or analog switches Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hey fellas if you are going to hijack the subject by using the reply button please change the subject line as well.... I finish up reading a lot of "replies" that have nothing to do with my original message. It also makes a nonsense of archiving the messages as its impossible to find anything. Thanks de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49281 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:52:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJ3u-000Ipi-2W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:51:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJ3t-000IpY-G4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:51:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmJ4l-000HUW-JH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:52:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJ3r-0006Pe-RW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:51:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJ3r-0006PV-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:51:23 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmJ3n-0002W6-JZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:51:23 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.27.70 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:51:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:50:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi J, I am not sure I understand what you say. You are in a special position and I am much further south in Magnetic latitude, I rarely see aurora here. My calculations suggest that the time delay between ground wave and one hop skywave is 20 to 60usecs and I dont think you hear that??. It is possible you get a "whispering gallery" effect in the auroral circle which might account for what I presume are 100s of milliseconds delay.?? That would certainly be an interesting effect. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: 05 January 2005 18:58 Subject: LF: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading > Alan, Walter, and All, > > I have often visually observed the phenomena of intense Aurora waving and > fluttering that would be in the range from rapid flutter to once every few > minutes. Aurora (both visible and invisible) also occur after geomagnetic > storms, and can be many hundreds of kilometers long. > > I observed a visible sinewave echo on VE7TIL's signal when he had QSB > recently... His telltale sine wave signal was perfect for watching the > effects of QSB. There was the direct wave clear as a bell and an echo > which arrived long enough later that you could tell it was another incidence > of the same signal but significantly out of phase. Consider borrowing > Scott's signal format for a short period during your testing. It is > excellent for our experimental work. > > It might also be good to check this site whenever the fading occurs, to see > where the Auroral activity is relative to your area. There may be a > correlation. > > http://sec.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html > > 73, > > J. > VY1JA > CP20kw > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58638 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJ9f-000Jji-4L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:57:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJ9f-000Jjf-0e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:57:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmJAX-000AHO-4u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:58:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJAD-0006TQ-VC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJAD-0006TG-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from mx-out.tiscali.fr ([213.36.80.91] helo=mail.libertysurf.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmJA9-0002XI-2z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:57:57 +0000 Received: from jeff (213.36.25.44) by mail.libertysurf.net (7.1.026) id 41A46BF500BE08B9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:55:02 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c4f371$4a110560$cb8024d5@jeff> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <265173210@web.de> <000901c4f36f$2aefe220$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:55:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1123 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1123 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.026 Subject: LF: Re: Ipswich... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) 05./01/2005 RR sry 73: Jeff From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60454 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 21:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 21:59:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJA4-0000Ob-Gi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:57:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJA2-0000Ns-US for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:57:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmJBC-000KVo-TU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:58:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJB6-0006VI-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:58:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJB5-0006V9-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:58:51 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmJB0-0002XZ-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:58:51 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.111 ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005010521583201500cbfhbe>; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:58:37 +0000 Received: from [208.54.95.129] by 204.127.197.111; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:58:30 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:58:30 +0000 Message-Id: <010520052158.117.41DC630500081A5A0000007522007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_NONELEMENT_20_30=0.07,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: LF: Gravity Waves Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Alan,
   The term "Gravity Waves" as used in geophysics (as opposed to astrophysics) refers to a wave at a density discontinuity whose restoring force is gravity. You are correct in making the analogy with waves on the ocean surface, ocean waves are a type of gravity wave. One can envison a similar phenomena wherever there is a pronounced disconinuity - such as at boundary between atmospheric or ionospheric layers (tropopause, stratopause, etc.)
   In my mis-spent youth I did graduate studies in geophysics!
 
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
 
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> Hi Jean-Louis, sometimes it does, but I think there are a lot of different
> frequencies stimulated. I have had a few attempts to fourier analyse the
> plots, but not with a great deal of enthusiasm yet. If I look at a lot of my
> recordings there are obviously cases of beats between "waves" of different
> periods. But theory.....well no not yet....I am an empiricist.....get the
> measurements first and find a theory to fit later.
>
> I think there are things called "gravity waves" talked about in the realms
> of atmospheric and ionspheric physics (KN4LF's MF Propagation site has a
> reference to them), but I have not yet found much else of interest
> yet,except on I think it was the NOAA site, a program that prints out a
> quasi 3d representation of an oscillating sphere. I can envisage a mechanism
> that attenuates the high frequencies first but have not tried to work it
> out. I think that ocean waves might be the nearest analogue. The problem is
> that unlike water, the medium has a rapidly reducing density. Maybe there
> are some keen mathematicians around who would care to play with the ideas.
> Also the CME and solar wind is an "electro-magnetic" interaction. If it were
> not for the earths field I think the solar ions would penertrate right down
> into the atmosphere.
> Like all things it is probably a lot more complex, but at least I have a
> handle to enable me to talk about it and gather ideas.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> alan.melia(at)btinternet.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: 05 January 2005 12:09
&g t; Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading
>
>
> Hello Alan
>
> Thanks for your interesting suggestion.
>
> I'm wondering why the "oscillating mirror" frequency would decrease when
> time passes.
>
> The amplitude of a jelly portion wobble decreases when the losses dampen the
> oscillations, but not the frequency which remains stable.
>
> So I would expect some diminishing QSB amplitude on the DI2AG records, and
> not QSB frequency decrease.
>
> Please what is the underlying theory about this frequency vs time decrease ?
>
> 73
>
> Jean-Louis F6AGR
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de Alan Melia
> > Envoyé : mardi 4 janvier 2005 18:17
> > À : rsgb_lf_group@blackshee p.org
> > Objet : LF: Re: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading
> >
> >
> > Hi Jean-Louis, and Walter. I see a rapid almost cyclical
> > fading on some
> > 136kHz signals immediately after a geomagnetic storm (we have
> > had several
> > minor storms Kp=5 recently), the period usually lengthens on
> > successive
> > nights. I have suggested that this might be due to the plasma cloud
> > "slapping" the ionosphere on one side and it then "ringing"
> > like a wobbly
> > jelly ( I must have eaten too much this Christmas !!) This
> > would cause the
> > "reflection" level to move up and down a few hundreds of
> > metres maybe even a
> > kilometre, which is quite sufficient to swing through a
> > 180degree phase
> > change. The movement required for a "null" at 440kHz is much
> > less th an at
> > 136kHz. I would certainly be interested to see if the period
> > of the fades
> > increases over the course of the next few nights.
> >
> > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > alan.melia(at)btinternet.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: 04 January 2005 13:48
> > Subject: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG 440KHz
> >
> >
> > > Walter et al.
> > >
> > > I recorded your DI2AG sigs last night from 6 PM to 6 AM .
> > > A quick exam on the 150 ARGO snapshots during my tea time early this
> > morning tend to show a deep QSB (period around 1 minute).
> > > Have you got other similar remarks ?
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Jean-Louis F6AGR
& gt; > > Loc. JN18DQ, near Paris
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81538 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 22:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 22:13:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJOg-000N4t-1X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:12:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJOf-000N4l-Tc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:12:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmJPX-000B5m-PD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJOs-0006fY-Ob for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJOs-0006fP-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:06 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmJOn-0002b8-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:06 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.27.70 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 22:12:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c4f373$a5ebd020$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <010520052158.117.41DC630500081A5A0000007522007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:11:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Gravity Waves Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Thanks Warren, I knew if I made outlandish enough suggestions someone would come up who knew the answer !! I wasn't sure of the definition but guessed at what you described. If there are gravity waves due to CME shocks, these should be detectable on a microbarograph ?? I keep wondering about playing in that area....trying to correlate the fading pattern with pressure changes......The problem could be the interaction is a "magnetic" collision and it wont correlate....but I wont know til I (or someone else ) try it. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" To: Sent: 05 January 2005 21:58 Subject: LF: Gravity Waves > Alan, > The term "Gravity Waves" as used in geophysics (as opposed to astrophysics) refers to a wave at a density discontinuity whose restoring force is gravity. You are correct in making the analogy with waves on the ocean surface, ocean waves are a type of gravity wave. One can envison a similar phenomena wherever there is a pronounced disconinuity - such as at boundary between atmospheric or ionospheric layers (tropopause, stratopause, etc.) > In my mis-spent youth I did graduate studies in geophysics! > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93711 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 22:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 22:13:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJOf-000N4Y-Ln for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:12:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJOf-000N4V-Ix for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:12:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmJPX-0001ES-IZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJOw-0006fl-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJOw-0006fc-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:10 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmJOn-0002b7-21 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:13:10 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.27.70 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 22:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f373$a52a06c0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <265173210@web.de> <000901c4f36f$2aefe220$6507a8c0@Main> <007a01c4f371$4a110560$cb8024d5@jeff> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:03:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Ipswich... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) No Problem Jeff, It good to see some activity on the reflector it was getting a bit quiet....well that is my "grumpy" for this year !! It is quite useful it technical discussions have the "right" words in the subject as those are often the messages that one remembers but wants, and can not find. Lots of LF DX in 2005 to you 73 de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "F6CWN" To: Sent: 05 January 2005 21:55 Subject: LF: Re: Ipswich... > 05./01/2005 > > RR sry > > 73: Jeff > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30309 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 22:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 22:30:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJe3-0007e1-FB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:28:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmJe2-0007dY-Q1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:28:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmJfC-00004a-KJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:29:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJeq-0006qi-K1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:29:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmJep-0006qZ-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:29:35 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmJek-0002eu-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:29:35 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.112 ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010522291201400r3hlee>; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:29:22 +0000 Received: from [208.54.95.129] by 204.127.197.112; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:29:10 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:29:10 +0000 Message-Id: <010520052229.9175.41DC6A35000D3103000023D722007507440B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_NONELEMENT_20_30=0.07,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Gravity Waves Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Alan,
 
    Gravity waves due to CME shocks would ocurr in the ionosphere where the density is more than 4 orders of magnitude lower (and probably more like 6-7 orders of magnitude lower) than the density at the surface. This would not show up on a microbarograph!  There simply isn't enough mass sloshing around in the ionosphere to effect the surface pressure, and in any event there is so much noise in a barograph trace due to weather.
  Just for comparison, there are actually tides in the atmosphere (like in the oceans) due to the gravity of the moon. But there is so much noise in the barometric readings that these tides (which have an amplitude of 2-3mB out of a normal pressure of about 1000 mB) are only detectable under very steady atmospheric conditions such as under a very stable high pressure system. These atmospheric tides are many many orders of magnitude greater than any change in the ionosphere could cause.
  I think I went on too long for this list, may be a better topic for a weather/geophysics list!
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
 
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> Thanks Warren, I knew if I made outlandish enough suggestions someone would
> come up who knew the answer !! I wasn't sure of the definition but guessed
> at what you described. If there are gravity waves due to CME shocks, these
> should be detectable on a microbarograph ?? I keep wondering about playing
> in that area....trying to correlate the fading pattern with pressure
> changes......The problem could be the interaction is a "magnetic" collision
> and it wont correlate....but I wont know til I (or someone else ) try it.
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ"
> To:
> Sent: 05 January 2005 21:58
> Subject: LF: Gravity Waves
>
>
> > Alan,
> > The term "Gravity Waves" as used in geophysics (as opposed to
> astrophysics) refers to a wave at a density discontinuity whose restoring
> force is gravity. You are correct in making the analogy with waves on the
> ocean surface, ocean waves are a type of gravity wave. One can envison a
> similar phenomena wherever there is a pronounced disconinuity - such as at
> boundary between atmospheric or ionospheric layers (tropopause, stratopause,
> etc.)
> > In my mis-spent youth I did graduate studies in geophysics!
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> > FN42hi
>
>
>
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89245 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 22:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 22:56:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmK3n-000Ddt-QU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:55:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmK3n-000Ddq-KA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:55:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmK4x-0001p6-Dj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:56:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmK4T-00076B-6Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:56:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmK4S-000761-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:56:04 +0000 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmK4N-0002kT-VI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:56:04 +0000 Received: from [212.248.140.9] ([212.248.140.9]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22195 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:57:07 GMT Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.298 [265.6.7]); Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:55:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c4f379$aeeee260$045bfea9@d4f8d8> From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050105194714.63708.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <41DC491D.9020008@freenet.de> <41DC5192.9070800@usa.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:55:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.80.0.234 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Think I was referring to the 74HC3257 devices - bus switches Seem to remember I measured in the region of +40dBm TOI at HF using one in a DBM design with a pair of ferrite transformers in a DBM arrangement Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: Re: LF: G3YKB PSK31 copy in Ipswich > Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > > > P.S: Andy G4JNT mentioned a mixer using fast analog switches with a > > low on-resistance some months ago, unfortunately I couldn't find the > > message on my harddisk. Anybody remember the chip name ? > > Wolf, > I don't know which chip was mentioned by Andy, but I have used with > great success > in my SDRadio project the Analog Devices ADG704, with a typical Rdson > resistance > of about 2.5 ohm. The chip is available from RS Components. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 2004-12-30 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 2004-12-30 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58034 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 05:01:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 05:01:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmPl6-000Ioq-0Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:00:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmPl5-000Iol-N9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:00:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmPlv-000NW6-2u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:01:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmPkk-0008Ps-34 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:00:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmPkj-0008Pj-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:00:05 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmPkf-0003ZL-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 05:00:05 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9V00KW0PUMME72@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j064xAZQ014299 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:59:10 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11981-14 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j064x24Z014227 for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:59:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 04:58:59 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alan, Unfortunately, I was discussing two diverse things, which may or may not have explanation in Aurora. First, what I saw on TIL's 137 signal has to have been some kind of long delay echo. The reason is that the phase of his MODULATION was visibly near 80 degrees out of phase with the second signal. It shifted toward the 180 degree mark and as it moved it had period of null. The resulting screen display was like a classroom description of multipath QSB. The signal rose in value and then slowly decreased in value. I do not know the period of Scott's sinewave modulator, but I assume that it is something like 60 or 120 seconds. Half of even 60 is 30 seconds, and there is nothing in the small bit of radio physics familiar to me that can explain 30 seconds of time delay. I have only seen this once, and only on Scott's 137 kHz. LF signal. After this one event, I began capturing everything I observe and erasing what I do not feel I will use.... Even this habit is changing, as some of the things erased so wantonly have been found to have been of value later to others. Second, the DI2AG QSB or fading... I have been a very active HF operator. When Aurora rears her lovely head, I usually go out and admire her beauty. She wears many different gowns, but always wants my undivided attention, and so shuts off my radio in the circuit between my antenna and those of the people with whom I wished to speak. When the radio goes dead, I watch Aurora wave slowly and pulse. There will be many others in the north who are familiar with these movements. I was asking if it is possible that the DI2AG fading could have been multipath, caused by one signal coming via the Auroral path, and if so, it might have been subject to a moving refractor, changing the length of the Auroral path relative to the normal signal path. Imagine one path being a sky wave on a direct path and the second path being a wave to the nearest point of the Aurora, which is not a stationary target but one which undulates over many miles. It just happens that the conditions were right for Aurora when the fading occurred. Again, it is bad science to assume that Aurora has anything to do with it... It is just an observation, and a question. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26401 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 07:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 07:44:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmSHq-000JxV-Vk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:42:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmSHq-000JxS-Ri for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:42:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmSIf-0007OB-86 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:43:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmSI4-0000XK-Er for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:42:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmSI4-0000XB-0j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:42:40 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmSHy-0003qW-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:42:39 +0000 Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050106074220.FFKL10495.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:42:20 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.13]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050106074219.HKQA7419.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:42:19 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER><001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> <000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:44:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: .rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) To be serious: I hope no-one on the list ever holds back for fear he may be too technical. The joy of this list for me is that almost everyone knows more than do I. To be not quite so serious, Long delays on radio signals were explained (but only in a novel ) by Carl Sagan long ago - but I can never locate the name of the book to re-read it. They are ' due to earth signals being detected by unmanned alien repeater-satellites left in a far out earth-orbit long ago to monitor earth creature developments. The signals are taken in then re-radiated in high power bursts to the alien base located in ...(I forget which galaxy) . Arrival back at earth surface of the high-power bursts to interfere with a continuing signal burst is just a side-effect. This only happens,of course when Earth is in a direct line between the satellite and alien galaxy base so it is not an every day event. Alien satellites having a very clever 2200 m beam, in the form of a phased array. - there is plenty of space for it Bryan G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:58 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading > Alan, > > Unfortunately, I was discussing two diverse things, which may or may not > have explanation in Aurora. > > First, what I saw on TIL's 137 signal has to have been some kind of long > delay echo. The reason is that the phase of his MODULATION was visibly near > 80 degrees out of phase with the second signal. It shifted toward the 180 > degree mark and as it moved it had period of null. The resulting screen > display was like a classroom description of multipath QSB. The signal rose > in value and then slowly decreased in value. > > I do not know the period of Scott's sinewave modulator, but I assume that it > is something like 60 or 120 seconds. Half of even 60 is 30 seconds, and > there is nothing in the small bit of radio physics familiar to me that can > explain 30 seconds of time delay. > > I have only seen this once, and only on Scott's 137 kHz. LF signal. After > this one event, I began capturing everything I observe and erasing what I do > not feel I will use.... Even this habit is changing, as some of the things > erased so wantonly have been found to have been of value later to others. > > Second, the DI2AG QSB or fading... I have been a very active HF operator. > When Aurora rears her lovely head, I usually go out and admire her beauty. > She wears many different gowns, but always wants my undivided attention, and > so shuts off my radio in the circuit between my antenna and those of the > people with whom I wished to speak. > > When the radio goes dead, I watch Aurora wave slowly and pulse. There will > be many others in the north who are familiar with these movements. I was > asking if it is possible that the DI2AG fading could have been multipath, > caused by one signal coming via the Auroral path, and if so, it might have > been subject to a moving refractor, changing the length of the Auroral path > relative to the normal signal path. > > Imagine one path being a sky wave on a direct path and the second path being > a wave to the nearest point of the Aurora, which is not a stationary target > but one which undulates over many miles. It just happens that the > conditions were right for Aurora when the fading occurred. Again, it is bad > science to assume that Aurora has anything to do with it... It is just an > observation, and a question. > > J. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98318 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 09:44:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 09:44:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmUA9-000CcY-Js for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:42:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmUA9-000CcU-FT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:42:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmUBE-0009PI-Sl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:43:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmUAS-0000yS-Fw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:42:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmUAS-0000yJ-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:42:56 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmUAM-0004An-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:42:56 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.131.159 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 09:42:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c4f3d3$f7472360$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:41:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: T/A on Jason slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Alberto, I managed to get 3 complete call-signs from John's WD2XES last night, despite unsettled conditions. The new software makes the listening for a DX station "blind" a lot easier from my point of view. I set up my synth signal generator on John's frequency with a small aerial (VHF helical ! ) to inject a signal into the LF antenna, set the Jason (0.98) Mode to Fast and centred the line, switched to Normal and recentred the line, and again for the Slow mode. This corrected all the errors in the soundcard and the RX tuning and I was able to decode copy overnight "unattended", That was "unHendrixed" too. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53013 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 10:35:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 10:35:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmUyP-0009a0-Q7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:34:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmUyO-0009ZR-6X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:34:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmUzB-0009Ok-Ji for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:35:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmUyo-0001CR-8v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:34:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmUyn-0001CI-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:34:57 +0000 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmUyj-0004LS-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:34:57 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.123.155 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 10:34:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c4f3db$3d53b560$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> <000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:26:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.197 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi J, Ah I understand. MMmm I dont know about that "echo" but I have seen similar effects when two stations (or carriers) operate very close together and ARGO shows a "beat" between them......but a mod phase shift??.....very odd. As to the aurora for the rapid fading....yes it is a possibility that should not be dismissed without some study. I had discounted it on the grounds that the period of the rapid fading seems very constant over a time of 8 to 10 hours. I thought it unlikely that the auroral curtain would be able to provide such a "high Q" effect, and was drawn to some kind of resonance explanation. The auroral curtain seems to move in a much more random way....but I am not really able to investigate that from here. There will be some form of connection as the aurora will be visible at the time of the CME collision......fascinating....... I suppose the answer would be to listen to the signal, as if strong enough the signal should also have that characteristic "growl" on it ?? if some component of it was via a reflection from the curtain. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: 06 January 2005 04:58 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG 440KHz...rapid fading > Alan, > > Unfortunately, I was discussing two diverse things, which may or may not > have explanation in Aurora. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34852 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 11:02:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 11:02:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmVOS-000Het-4W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:01:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmVON-000Hcr-Tl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:01:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmVPB-0002Cd-3h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:02:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmVOL-0001Mu-8M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:01:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmVOK-0001Ml-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:01:20 +0000 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmVOG-0004SI-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:01:20 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CmVOF-0003OA-00 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:01:15 +0000 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (bts-0308.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.52]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id j06B16DA022418 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:01:14 GMT Message-ID: <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> <000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles> <002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:01:09 +0000 From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.247.47.231 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zetnet.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: .rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On 06/01/2005 at 07:44 captbrian wrote: [ ... ] >To be not quite so serious, Long delays on radio signals were explained >(but >only in a novel ) by Carl Sagan long ago - but I can never locate the name >of the book to re-read it. > >They are ' due to earth signals being detected by unmanned alien >repeater-satellites left in a far out earth-orbit long ago to monitor earth >creature developments. Long ago (1970?), New Scientist had a piece on this. John G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94952 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 13:14:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 13:14:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmXSn-0002At-JS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:14:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmXSn-0002Aq-BI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:14:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmXTZ-000EeY-QB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:14:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmXSi-0000MN-Jy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:14:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmXSh-0000Lz-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:13:59 +0000 Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.182]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmXOR-0004wN-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:09:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 74439 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 13:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20050106130929.74437.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:09:29 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:09:29 +0000 (GMT) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <41DC491D.9020008@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.10.182 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of yahoo.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PSK/MSK/JASON SKED Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00)
Hi Wolf -
 
Did you see anything of my psk/msk/Jason signals ??
 
I think I saw a weak psk31 signal on 137.7 at 1105 and a PSK08 signal 0n137.5 at 1112 but I could not get them to decode.
 
However I DID decode a few words of a fast Jason signal at 1205 which included your club callsign. There seemed to be two or three signals near 137.5 including what looked like MSK.
 
Sorry I couldn't get any better copy - it may be that my bigger aerials (2m multiturn loop and 3.5 x 7.5 m tx loop) have nulls in your direction - best Rx signals were via my 1m rotatable multiturn loop. Thanks for trying
 
Brian  

Wolf DL4YHF <dl4yhf@freenet.de> wrote:

Ok, I will be at DF0WD on thursday 11:00 UTC (maybe earlier), looking
for any signals around 137.5 kHz, and put out occasinal calls in PSK08
and Jason Fast / Jason Fast Turbo mode.

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Dear Walter, LF Group,

 

QTH here is LOC IO91VR, near Hatfield, just north of London.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Walter Staubach
Sent: 05 January 2005 17:44
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: RE: DI2AG

 

Thanks a lot, James, for your interesting screenshot and report. I`m not sure abt your locator for calculating the distance, can I have it pse?

73   Walter

 

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32884 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 13:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 13:49:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmXzo-0007sp-8t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:48:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmXzo-0007sh-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:48:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmY0r-0005wR-Rw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:49:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmY0D-0000b7-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:48:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmY0D-0000ay-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:48:37 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmY0A-0005C6-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:48:37 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CmY04-0006AY-Rh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:28 +0100 Received: from p50905650.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.86.80] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CmY04-0008VI-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:28 +0100 Message-ID: <41DD41CA.30602@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:58 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050106130929.74437.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050106130929.74437.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: PSK/MSK/JASON SKED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Brian, Thanks for the report - unfortunately the QRM level was very high at the club station today, so I didn't see a trace of any amateur radio activity. For the MSK/PSK tests, I qsy'ed 30 Hz down because there was a strong carrier centered at 137.5 kHz which would have made reception impossible this side. The Jason TX session was quite short, because the "club computer" (my old 266 MHz P2) had a problem with the soundcard which interrupted the Jason signal once per second (every time the clock incremented). Better copy may be possible at later times of day, though the "Luxemburg-effect" noise is very strong here - especially at the upper end of the band. So thanks for listening, hope to see you later. Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25429 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 14:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 14:49:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmYwH-0000rK-T7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmYwH-0000rC-Hz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmYxH-000KnF-6Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:49:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmYwa-0000s7-Ve for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmYwa-0000ry-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:56 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmYwW-0005UD-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:48:56 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.132.10.101 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 14:48:45 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:47:42 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <41DD41CA.30602@freenet.de> Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: RE: LF: PSK/MSK/JASON SKED Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040809010306070507060309" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, LINES_OF_YELLING,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040809010306070507060309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Wolf, Brian, and LF. The DF0WD Hell and PSK/MSK/JASON signals quite strong in IO91RM, but I'm not setup yet for PSK/JASON so I did an ARGO capture instead. There were some strange, drifty tones on 137.500 as well, which dare I suggest were somehow associated with the DF0WD transmission? (*.gif clip attached) 73 Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF Sent: 06 January 2005 13:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: PSK/MSK/JASON SKED Hi Brian, Thanks for the report - unfortunately the QRM level was very high at the club station today, so I didn't see a trace of any amateur radio activity. For the MSK/PSK tests, I qsy'ed 30 Hz down because there was a strong carrier centered at 137.5 kHz which would have made reception impossible this side. The Jason TX session was quite short, because the "club computer" (my old 266 MHz P2) had a problem with the soundcard which interrupted the Jason signal once per second (every time the clock incremented). Better copy may be possible at later times of day, though the "Luxemburg-effect" noise is very strong here - especially at the upper end of the band. So thanks for listening, hope to see you later. 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Lieber Walter
 
I analysed my records performed yesterday during daylight.
 
Here near Paris, the sigs disappeared around 7 AM (local time) and reappeared around 17:45
 
However, there were some bursts of readable signal around 8:30, 08:50 to 09:10, 15:30 to 15:35 and 15:55 to 16:00
 
73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45489 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 15:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 15:27:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmZWd-000C0J-OK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmZWc-000Bzy-Oc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmZXf-000Jzw-J7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:27:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmZXK-0001Qg-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmZXJ-0001QX-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:53 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmZXG-0005jj-GZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:53 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D4C781BC for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:26:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:42 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID831JaFPAQ2323X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.158.216] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 826JaFPAp0239M38; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:26:41 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.158.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41DD58B6.8050503@usa.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:26:46 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c4f3d3$f7472360$6507a8c0@Main> In-Reply-To: <001601c4f3d3$f7472360$6507a8c0@Main> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID826JaFPAQ0239X38 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: T/A on Jason slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Alan, thanks for the report. Well, to receive Johan's transmission on 3577 kHz I just relied on the accuracy of the TCXO of the JRC NRD-525 receiver... I did have in the past occasions to check that it is quite accurate, so the other evening I just tuned "blind" to 3576.5 kHz, USB, as this would place Johan's signal centered on 500 Hz. As said in a previous message, I had QRN on the order of S9, a continous raspy sound. No audible traces of SM6LKM. But then, looking at the waterfall window, I saw a sequence of lines that looked suspiciously as Jason tones. And this was confirmed by some decoded characters with unmistakable patterns... it was definitely Johan. The copy got better half an hour later, when band conditions changed a bit. Then sometimes I could swore to hear the tones, which disappeared in the QSB just a bit later. In my case, the copy was a bit better using the "Hendrix" mode. I haven't even tried to receive John's WD2XES transmission, as my LF antenna at present is almost non existant. I have a CP666 FET somewhere, so maybe my next hardware project could be the building of the Amrad active E-field probe. A friend of mine has done it, and he reports that from Livorno (Leghorn) in Central Italy he is receiving Rugby at 60 kHz with a signal of S9+20 dB using that antenna... 73 Alberto I2PHD -------------------------------------------------------- Alan Melia wrote: >Hi Alberto, I managed to get 3 complete call-signs from John's WD2XES last >night, despite unsettled conditions. The new software makes the listening >for a DX station "blind" a lot easier from my point of view. I set up my >synth signal generator on John's frequency with a small aerial (VHF helical >! ) to inject a signal into the LF antenna, set the Jason (0.98) Mode to >Fast and centred the line, switched to Normal and recentred the line, and >again for the Slow mode. This corrected all the errors in the soundcard and >the RX tuning and I was able to decode copy overnight "unattended", That was >"unHendrixed" too. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia(at)btinternet.com > > > > >. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2042 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 15:31:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 15:31:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmZav-000DJr-En for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:30:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmZav-000DJn-CA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:30:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmZby-000Acz-5R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:31:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmZbT-0001UW-FM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:31:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmZbT-0001UN-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:31:11 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmZbF-0005kp-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:31:10 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-074.fen-net.de [212.204.116.74]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j06FSx4l012313 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:28:59 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00d901c4f405$8354c0c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:32:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG daylight propagation Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Jean-Louis,
          thank you very much for this interesting report. Maybe some dB´s are missing at daylight. I intend to increase power to 3w ERP the next days, but have to do tests before to ensure safe operating. I will announce in the rsgb reflector.
73
Walter
 
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An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 16:12
Betreff: LF: DI2AG daylight propagation

Lieber Walter
 
I analysed my records performed yesterday during daylight.
 
Here near Paris, the sigs disappeared around 7 AM (local time) and reappeared around 17:45
 
However, there were some bursts of readable signal around 8:30, 08:50 to 09:10, 15:30 to 15:35 and 15:55 to 16:00
 
73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
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I expect modern tyres have so many ingredients like carbon, steel wire and other polly compounds that they make poor insulators. If the trailer was parked on a sheet of suitable insulation material it would be alright but it has to be rigid and not move about in windy condx. I have a few ideas but keeping the installation rigid would be the problem even with insulated guy ropes.  It could be back to just using the tower as a support for wire structures. Where would I get proper insulated blocks made to replace the wheels, someone might know of a source.
73 de G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60858 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 15:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 15:50:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmZtg-000IQc-7I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:50:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmZtf-000IQN-TN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:49:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmZuR-000BaZ-5H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:50:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmZtq-0001fn-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:50:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmZtq-0001fe-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:50:10 +0000 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmZtl-0005pm-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:50:09 +0000 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41DD0F680002F856 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:49:42 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:49:37 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4198ECC5001FBC96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:49:38 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:49:37 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41CBE7E50004A655 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:49:04 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:49:04 +0100 Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:50:56 +0100 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEEAE@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: DI2AG@fen-net.de Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:50:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: RE: Re: DI2AG daylight propagation Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
D layer absorption should be the reason for signal decrease during day light.
 
I sent you some zipped snapshots via DI2AG@fen-net.de
 
73 und alles Gute von Jean-Louis F6AGR
-----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de Walter Staubach
Envoyé : jeudi 6 janvier 2005 16:32
À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Objet : LF: Re: DI2AG daylight propagation

Dear Jean-Louis,
          thank you very much for this interesting report. Maybe some dB´s are missing at daylight. I intend to increase power to 3w ERP the next days, but have to do tests before to ensure safe operating. I will announce in the rsgb reflector.
73
Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com <Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 16:12
Betreff: LF: DI2AG daylight propagation

Lieber Walter
 
I analysed my records performed yesterday during daylight.
 
Here near Paris, the sigs disappeared around 7 AM (local time) and reappeared around 17:45
 
However, there were some bursts of readable signal around 8:30, 08:50 to 09:10, 15:30 to 15:35 and 15:55 to 16:00
 
73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67818 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 16:05:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 16:05:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cma7r-000Mx2-5M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:04:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cma7q-000Mwl-Na for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:04:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cma8b-000JED-Uw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:05:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cma8I-0001nQ-7A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:05:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cma8H-0001nH-Mh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:05:05 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cma8B-0005si-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:05:05 +0000 Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050106160449.SMCJ15581.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:04:49 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.88]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050106160448.BQGH13480.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: <003101c4f409$c35495c0$58540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c4f405$9a213d60$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:07:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: tyres Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I doubt if they have parrots* but  you do have straight-line thinking. !
Forget the tyres.!
Bolt a 6 inch pvc pipe-leg at each corner.
Make the length such that the tyres are off the ground a few inches, then if one leg collapses, the rig fails safe by resting on the  wheels.
 
 
 Better still, reconfigure so that the trailer is at earth potential and earth it with a good spike in a puddle of pee.
 
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: FIRE

I expect modern tyres have so many ingredients like carbon, steel wire and other polly *compounds that they make poor insulators. If the trailer was parked on a sheet of suitable insulation material it would be alright but it has to be rigid and not move about in windy condx. I have a few ideas but keeping the installation rigid would be the problem even with insulated guy ropes.  It could be back to just using the tower as a support for wire structures. Where would I get proper insulated blocks made to replace the wheels, someone might know of a source.
73 de G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90220 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 16:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 16:12:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmaEa-0000HW-DQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:11:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmaEH-00008J-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:11:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmaFJ-000C8V-CN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:12:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmaF3-0001v9-AQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:12:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmaF2-0001v0-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:12:04 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmaEw-0005vG-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:12:04 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-0-147.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.0.147]:1229 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CmaE1-000JL4-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:11:01 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:12:15 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: RE: LF: Re: .rapid fading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All, -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Rabson Sent: 06 January 2005 11:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: .rapid fading Long ago (1970?), New Scientist had a piece on this. 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Hi mal
 
It's been done successfully with Max (?) legal on top band and 80 but you might be the first at LF.
 
Good luck
 
de g4gvw
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Alan,
 
I have not tried it yet but I wonder if a search of the Met Office sites might not produce some useful info on barometric effects/history/stats.
 
If there is a chance that they are already gathering such data in a useful form it might be an intesting area for study. Perhaps they might also collaborate.
 
73 de Pat
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11826 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 16:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 16:51:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmaqJ-000CPv-J2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:50:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmaqJ-000CPd-4X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:50:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmarL-000ABl-HJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:51:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmaql-0002GW-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:51:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmaql-0002GN-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:51:03 +0000 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmaqi-000652-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:51:03 +0000 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41DD0F68000371F1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:50:40 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:50:35 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4198ECC5001FCCD4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:50:35 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:50:34 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41CBE7E50004B3FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:50:01 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:50:00 +0100 Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:51:53 +0100 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEEB1@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:51:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: LDE ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In April 2004, I published a well documented article in Radio-REF, the french amateur magazine, to explain that the amateur satellite AO-40 had just caught some very long delay echoes coming from radio transmissions performed around 1910/1920. I alleged that the radio signals were stored for more than 80 years in some very highly ionized clouds swanning around in the magnetosphere. I tweeked some true formulas describing the speed of waves in plasma just to show why the radio transmissions were trapped such a long time long in the magnetosphere and I added some original audio records (still downloadable on http://www.amsat-france.org, "Pages techniques", "Enregistrements AO-40")like 1890 songs, 1914 political speeches,etc). Printing nice formulas with plenty square roots, proposing audio files on the Net and exhibiting a lot of technical and scientific arguments triggered a tremendous avalanche of mail, e-mails and phone calls at home from people believing that all this stuff was really true. Never seen that before. Enhanced reality is better that reality, as usual ... 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR P.S.: The original sounds from 1890 and 1910 voices I used were really existing, but were copied them from inestimable antique phonograph wax cylinders From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60741 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 16:56:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 16:56:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmauz-000Aw1-DZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:55:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmauz-000Avt-8A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:55:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmavk-0004LC-C0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:56:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmave-0002KD-H8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:56:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmave-0002K4-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:56:06 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmavS-00066l-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:56:06 +0000 Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050106165548.GWHP22154.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:55:48 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050106165548.KKAP769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:55:48 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:55:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41DD6D94.29704.48B35F@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: VO1NA 6 Jan Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I monitored overnight for VO1NA, with Argo set to QRSS10 to check whether the S/N would be good enough for this speed. Several complete dots and dashes were copied at 'O'. Even one complete call was readable at 'M'. This confirms my belief that a QRSS10 QSO could be completed, with a minimal info exchange and above average conditions. Long term followers of the problem of a transatlantic two-way will appreciate that there is a trade-off between S/N (and hence QRSS speed) and the length of time the path is open. Plainly my 100mW ERP is not enough for this (though perhaps a split speed QSO may take place under exceptional conditions), but it should be possible for those running closer to the licensed max. Argo caps and more info can be found at: http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61578 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 17:28:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 17:28:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmbQL-000OnI-16 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:27:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmbQJ-000Omv-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:27:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmbRM-000D9I-45 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:28:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmbQR-0002X6-E4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:27:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmbQR-0002Wx-0T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:27:55 +0000 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmbQE-0006FH-I7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:27:54 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.208] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CmbQD-0006N4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:27:41 +0100 Received: from [217.251.226.45] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CmbQD-0004T7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:27:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c4f415$03b216f0$fe78a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEEB1@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:27:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.227.126.171 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dk8kw.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: LDE ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ... some years ago there was a beautiful story in the CQ of two young ham radio operators who find some old radio gear in the attic, that once was the shack of the father of one of the two boys. They manage to switch on the gear, tune a surprisingly quiet 40 m band and have a few very nice QSOs, all with W1, W3, W7 stations with two letter suffixes. When they start to look up the adresses of their QSO partners in the callbook to exchange QSLs, they realize that none of the callsigns exists ... they are all sk ... they try to swich on the gear again to verify their findings but it is silent forever ... 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW, one of those callsigns that once belonged to Perce Allen, a ham who passed away long long time ago ...) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:51 PM Subject: LF: LDE ... > In April 2004, I published a well documented article in Radio-REF, the french amateur magazine, to explain that the amateur satellite AO-40 had just caught some very long delay echoes coming from radio transmissions performed around 1910/1920. > I alleged that the radio signals were stored for more than 80 years in some very highly ionized clouds swanning around in the magnetosphere. > I tweeked some true formulas describing the speed of waves in plasma just to show why the radio transmissions were trapped such a long time long in the magnetosphere and I added some original audio records (still downloadable on http://www.amsat-france.org, "Pages techniques", "Enregistrements AO-40")like 1890 songs, 1914 political speeches,etc). > Printing nice formulas with plenty square roots, proposing audio files on the Net and exhibiting a lot of technical and scientific arguments triggered a tremendous avalanche of mail, e-mails and phone calls at home from people believing that all this stuff was really true. > > Never seen that before. > > Enhanced reality is better that reality, as usual ... > > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR > > P.S.: The original sounds from 1890 and 1910 voices I used were really existing, but were copied them from inestimable antique phonograph wax cylinders > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51346 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 19:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 19:17:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmd7b-0001Au-G3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:16:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmd7b-0001Ar-DJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:16:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmd8c-000HHF-T7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:17:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmd7y-0003QN-UV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:16:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmd7y-0003QE-G6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:16:58 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmd7v-0006vE-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:16:58 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cmd7v-0005Ib-G6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:16:55 +0100 Received: from p50904055.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.64.85] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cmd7v-00016B-8s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:16:55 +0100 Message-ID: <41DD8EA8.3070706@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:16:56 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: PSK/MSK/JASON SKED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Dave, Thanks for the screenshot. I will check the wiring, it may a broken shielding of the audio cable between PC and transceiver, causing some strange kind of feedback (oscillation), or other signals get where they shouldn't be. Did anyone in the neighbourhood observe this too, and if so, did it sound like AC hum ? 73, Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52911 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 19:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 19:27:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmdHB-000Ksv-0k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:26:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmdHA-000Kss-U6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:26:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmdHv-000CLb-4h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:27:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmdHd-0003Ym-BY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmdHc-0003Yd-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmdHY-0006ye-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:26:56 +0000 Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050106192647.PWLO22154.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:26:47 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.204]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050106192646.RGMR15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:26:46 +0000 Message-ID: <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER><001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles><001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main><000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles><002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:29:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Carl Sagan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Ahhh! I was hoping someone was going to tell me the name of the book.. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Rabson To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: .rapid fading On 06/01/2005 at 07:44 captbrian wrote: [ ... ] >To be not quite so serious, Long delays on radio signals were explained >(but >only in a novel ) by Carl Sagan long ago - but I can never locate the name >of the book to re-read it. > >They are ' due to earth signals being detected by unmanned alien >repeater-satellites left in a far out earth-orbit long ago to monitor earth >creature developments. Long ago (1970?), New Scientist had a piece on this. John G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71846 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 20:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 20:14:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cme0k-0005Px-7a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:13:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cme0k-0005Pu-4p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:13:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cme1U-000Kjy-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:14:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cme0s-0003q0-Vv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:13:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cme0s-0003pr-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:13:42 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cme0l-00077M-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:13:42 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005010620130701200picnhe>; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:13:12 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:12:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: <001601c4f405$9a213d60$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Message-Id: <1V0HICVOMYAVQFDGZWNH2XSRPM.41dd9ba8@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.56 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: FIRE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal, I was staggering today through one of the US outlets of China, Inc, (otherwise known as WalMart) when I saw pretty substantial-looking moulded plastic pairs of car inspection ramps; you know, of the sort up onto which one drives the front two wheels just prior to getting a faceful of old engine oil. That'd give insulation, and a bit more distance to reduce chassis to ground capacitance. Cheers, Steve 01/06/05 15:34:06, "hamilton mal" wrote: > > I expect modern tyres have so many ingredients like carbon, steel wire and > other polly compounds that they make poor insulators. If the trailer was > parked on a sheet of suitable insulation material it would be alright but it > has to be rigid and not move about in windy condx. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 836 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmeBc-0008DY-3i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:24:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmeBb-0008DP-Q1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:24:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmeCL-000FBW-NK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:25:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmeBq-0003uF-QI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:25:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmeBq-0003u6-Ew for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:25:02 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmeBn-0007AG-U5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:25:02 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CmeBm-0003Xj-03; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:24:58 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TD7QGsZbre90klcIxawMJUC7-gZEgWL6TP4BD0HS8up7rc7GIKqxoa@[80.144.107.11]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CmeBY-03qxV20; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:24:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:24:43 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <295189802.20050106212443@t-online.de> To: Wolf DL4YHF In-Reply-To: <41DD8EA8.3070706@freenet.de> References: <41DD8EA8.3070706@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TD7QGsZbre90klcIxawMJUC7-gZEgWL6TP4BD0HS8up7rc7GIKqxoa X-TOI-MSGID: 706547db-c47a-4614-bc74-050a27dcdb18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.82 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: PSK/MSK/JASON SKED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Did anyone in the neighbourhood observe this too, and if so, did it > sound like AC hum ? Hallo Wolfgang, mit der PSK08 Übertragung war alles ok. Hier der Text: cq cq de dfØwd dfØwd dfØwd pse k noch einen schönen Abend Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38516 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 21:17:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 21:17:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmezU-000KBY-Dj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:16:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmezU-000KBV-B5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:16:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmf0D-000LPi-S1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:17:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmezx-0004IW-5G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:16:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmezw-0004IN-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:16:48 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmezr-0007KC-Qv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:16:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050106211636.JBQ21987.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:16:36 -0700 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:16:36 -0800 Message-ID: <1105046196.41ddaab43e9e9@webmail.telus.net> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:16:36 -0800 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER><001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles><001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main><000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles><002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.220 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Carl Sagan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) So, what you guys are proposing is that 'aliens' where monitoring TIL back in the 30s and are just now rebroadcasting it ;-) I guess I was busy in my past life! Things do seem awefully famaliar. I think I've typed this message before... So here's the big question... How does flux-capacitance fit into LF antenna design :-) 73 Scott 73 Scott 73 Scott BTW 'Contact' was the name of the book... And the main character was a ham! Quoting captbrian : > Ahhh! I was hoping someone was going to tell me the name of the book.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Rabson > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: .rapid fading > > > On 06/01/2005 at 07:44 captbrian wrote: > > [ ... ] > > >To be not quite so serious, Long delays on radio signals were explained > >(but > >only in a novel ) by Carl Sagan long ago - but I can never locate the name > >of the book to re-read it. > > > >They are ' due to earth signals being detected by unmanned alien > >repeater-satellites left in a far out earth-orbit long ago to monitor earth > >creature developments. > Long ago (1970?), New Scientist had a piece on this. > > John G3PAI > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52969 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 22:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 22:11:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmfpl-0005gp-6c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:10:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmfpl-0005gm-3o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:10:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmfqU-000MP4-CG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:11:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmfpI-0004Z8-55 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:09:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmfpH-0004Yz-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:09:51 +0000 Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.177]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmfpE-0007V6-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:09:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 15776 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 22:09:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20050106220942.15774.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:09:42 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:09:42 +0000 (GMT) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <41DD41CA.30602@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.10.177 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of yahoo.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PSK/MSK/JASON SKED Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00)
Sorry that the noise level was so high.
 
I hope to be listening/transmitting 1100-1200 utc on Sunday - maybe better conditions then
 
Brian 

Wolf DL4YHF <dl4yhf@freenet.de> wrote:
Thanks for the report - unfortunately the QRM level was very high at the
club station today, so I didn't see a trace of any amateur radio
activity.

So thanks for listening, hope to see you later.

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3476 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 22:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 22:32:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmg9k-000MQO-5d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:31:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmg9k-000MQL-36 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:31:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmgAk-000Dh1-8o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:32:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmgAO-0004mD-Ew for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:31:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmgAO-0004m4-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:31:40 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmgAJ-0007aw-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:31:40 +0000 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CmgAI-0005JR-03; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:31:34 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Tn2kR6ZOgeHdFj2TcggP51pNAgsiGg-oTewN47S2ernBEWPrNFssgP@[80.144.107.11]) by fwd09.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CmgAF-1sUxeK0; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:31:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:31:29 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <845302420.20050106233129@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Tn2kR6ZOgeHdFj2TcggP51pNAgsiGg-oTewN47S2ernBEWPrNFssgP X-TOI-MSGID: 9b221674-6dec-45c8-81bf-5b235fa1c2dc X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: TA tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Copy VO1NA since 2030z and XGJ since 2200z. Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55069 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 22:55:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmgWb-000ERs-QR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:54:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmgWb-000ERn-KM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:54:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmgXK-000Mei-Lv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:55:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmgX3-0004uw-HJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:55:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmgX3-0004un-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:55:05 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmgWz-0007fu-9C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:55:05 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.107] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050106225446113005opkne> (Authid: dmcintyre); Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:54:52 +0000 Message-ID: <41DDC1AC.8050400@att.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 22:54:36 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <845302420.20050106233129@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <845302420.20050106233129@t-online.de> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.117 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: TA tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Copy VO1NA since 2030z and XGJ since 2200z. > Even though the weather is unseasonably warm here in North Carolina the QRN level is very low. I'll run Argo QRSS60 window watching 135,920.5 to 135,923.7 kHz. Will do manual Argo screen post until about 0500Z and auto for the rest of the night at: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.html W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78176 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 23:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 23:06:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmghA-000GHP-VI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:05:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmgh9-000GH3-Ul for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:05:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmghs-0005gl-Ty for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:06:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmghZ-00053R-PA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:05:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmghZ-00053I-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:05:57 +0000 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmghW-0007ii-T0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:05:57 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-162.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.162] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CmghT-000A8h-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:05:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c4f167$fd775c00$a2c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER><001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles><001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main><000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles><002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 05:25:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.12 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96=0.257 Subject: LF: Re: Carl Sagan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > > >To be not quite so serious, Long delays on radio signals were explained > >(but only in a novel ) by Carl Sagan long ago - but I can never locate the name > >of the book to re-read it. > Ahhh! I was hoping someone was going to tell me the name of the book. The only novel that Carl Sagan wrote (to my knowledge) is called 'Contact'. The title seems appropriate. Peter, G3LDO. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12084 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 23:22:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 23:22:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmgx0-000JMD-DQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:21:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmgwz-000JLi-9n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:21:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmgxi-000KSt-3P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:22:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmgx5-0005Bm-9k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:21:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmgx4-0005Bd-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:21:58 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmgx1-0007mN-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:21:58 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FD9780AB for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:21:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:21:48 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID317JaFXVW2330X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.158.216] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 937JaFXVt0155M31; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:21:46 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.158.216 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41DDC80E.6040209@usa.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:21:50 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER><001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles><001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main><000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles><002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> <001701c4f167$fd775c00$a2c428c3@erica> In-Reply-To: <001701c4f167$fd775c00$a2c428c3@erica> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID937JaFXVU0155X31 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Carl Sagan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) g3ldo wrote: >The only novel that Carl Sagan wrote (to my knowledge) is called 'Contact'. > > And the movie that was made from it (around 1999) was indeed a beautiful one... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34713 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 23:32:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 23:32:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmh5q-0008yJ-DM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:31:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmh5q-0008yG-AZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:31:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmh6q-000B8U-1x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:32:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmh6E-0005K2-Pp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:31:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmh6E-0005Jt-F2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:31:26 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmh6B-0007oU-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:31:26 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.213.149 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 23:31:17 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c4f447$c274b3e0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:30:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: T/A tonight 6/7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, conditions dont seem too bad but my guess is they will be "patchy"..... you could get lucky. I am getting good signals from CFH at 2330z some 36dBuV which is a good level. I think there will be a lot of fading, and we are probably in for another CME, probably Kp=5, sometime tomorrow ( I think this is associated with the C7 flare on the 4th ) but the daytime path was enhanced on the Magdeburg to Porto route today, which is not a good sign. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90921 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 00:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 00:44:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmiDm-000M0H-AQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:43:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmiDm-000M0E-7q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:43:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmiEl-000NPI-Gi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:44:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmiEJ-0005ty-DA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:43:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmiEI-0005tp-TV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:43:50 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmiED-00086z-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:43:50 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050107004313016002ful3e>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:43:18 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:42:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: <41DDC1AC.8050400@att.net> Message-Id: <87UQ07MCA4NMOI08DTSEAS51TR.41dddb11@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.64 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: TA tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Greetings, Similar range on 'Grabulator II' at: http://www.w3eee.com DCF39 looks OK (although not huge), but as Dex points out, it is extraordinarily quiet tonight. 73 Steve 01/06/05 22:54:36, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > >Even though the weather is unseasonably warm here in North Carolina the >QRN level is very low. I'll run Argo QRSS60 window watching 135,920.5 >to 135,923.7 kHz. Will do manual Argo screen post until about 0500Z and >auto for the rest of the night at: > >http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.html > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81755 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 02:24:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmjmj-000Hd2-Bu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:23:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmjmj-000Hcz-9W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:23:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cmjng-000KwT-VA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:24:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmjmw-0006Xw-Ct for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:23:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmjmv-0006Xn-VS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:23:41 +0000 Received: from f2phy.netins.net ([167.142.229.65] helo=cgpf2.cgp.netins.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmjmq-0008Oc-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:23:41 +0000 Received: from [167.142.32.126] (HELO tomoqdcnb7jv1y) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with SMTP id 682358551 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:23:31 -0600 From: "=?us-ascii?Q?Dr._Tom_Gruis=2C_KOHTF?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:23:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <41DDE67F.3010500@genesiswireless.us> Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of netins.net designates 167.142.229.65 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: RE: LF: FIRE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    It does seem a valid concern to not transform "tyres" into "pyres!' If one could invert the trailer and balance it atop the tower the top loading might be more efficient and the insulator would take up less space.
 
    Seriously it sounds like very good idea! I would be most interested in the results.The earth connection - how would that be handled? How tall is the tower?
 
    I gave up this morning and ordered a copy of the new RSGB VLF book! Forgive me, I did this via ARRL.
 
73,
 
Doc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of WE0H Mike
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 19:32
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: FIRE

Turn your own tires and wheels out of Delrin on a lathe =-O

Mike

hamilton mal wrote:
I expect modern tyres have so many ingredients like carbon, steel wire and other polly compounds that they make poor insulators. If the trailer was parked on a sheet of suitable insulation material it would be alright but it has to be rigid and not move about in windy condx. I have a few ideas but keeping the installation rigid would be the problem even with insulated guy ropes.  It could be back to just using the tower as a support for wire structures. Where would I get proper insulated blocks made to replace the wheels, someone might know of a source.
73 de G3KEV
 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97794 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 02:33:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 02:33:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmjv2-000JQY-41 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:32:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmjv1-000JQQ-SI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:32:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cmjw0-000NeB-8n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:33:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmjve-0006kg-59 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:32:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmjvd-0006kX-Pm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:32:41 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmjva-0008RL-J6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:32:41 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050107023231.OLHE555.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:32:31 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c4f461$42db7460$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> <000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles> <002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> <002d01c4f460$1a2a8b10$6401a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:33:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.240 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: Re: Contact, and contacts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) We'd see you with 50W and a big antenna... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: LF: Contact, and contacts > Scott and LF, > > There was a different movie about not only from the past but backward time > jumping of radio signals between a detective in the 60's and his father, a > fireman, in the 90's. It had Dennis Quaid as the fireman... Don't remember > the name of that one... but also involved amateur radio, this time with > Auroras for natural signal-time "adjustments". Now if you learn that trick > you will be able to go back and send those signals you haven't sent yet but > were sent in the past... > > I will be happy when I get the transmitter built and get something sending > on 2200 into my current time, and if it gets across the pond I will be doing > hand stands... Yukon is remote enough that it was suggested to me not to > bother building a smaller transmitter but to build at least a half or full > kW right out of the gate.... :o) > > J > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16733 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 03:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 03:38:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmkwI-0005cA-Cn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:37:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmkwI-0005c7-AC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:37:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmkxG-0006o7-AY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:38:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmkwU-00079K-Vz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:37:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmkwU-00079B-DS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:37:38 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmkwR-00009A-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:37:38 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9X001V6GQJBT61@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:37:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j073bV26028225 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:37:31 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26965-14-2 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:37:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j073aWtF027819 for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:36:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 03:36:29 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <006201c4f46a$12fc6ca0$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> <000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles> <002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> <002d01c4f460$1a2a8b10$6401a8c0@eagles> <003301c4f461$42db7460$0201a8c0@private.network> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Or 500W and my existing antenna! J. Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Scott, Or 500 W and my existing antenna. :o) J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97783 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 05:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 05:28:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmmfC-0002aX-8E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:27:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmmfC-0002aU-5o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:27:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cmmg9-000EFV-Fo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:28:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmmfn-00081u-P7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:28:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmmfn-00081l-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:28:31 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmmfk-0000aS-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:28:31 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.107] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050107052817113005oo8je> (Authid: dmcintyre); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:28:17 +0000 Message-ID: <41DE1DE3.3040300@att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:28:03 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF , Lowfer LWCA X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.117 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Loran line at 135,920.7 +/- KHz ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Tonight I see a signal near 135,920.7 Khz. Looking back at past years captures of this spectrum I see this same line when T/A signals were good. Does anyone else receive what looks like a Loran line at this frequency? Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39392 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 07:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 07:36:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmoem-0001EN-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:35:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmoek-0001DU-0Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:35:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cmofg-000EbA-AZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:36:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmofD-0000Lt-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:36:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmofC-0000Lk-Ci for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:36:02 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmof9-0000tY-BW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:36:02 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9X001LKRRXC1G2@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j077ZvIg029772 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:57 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28334-17 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j077ZQcj029674 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:35:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 07:35:22 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <008201c4f48b$725f0d80$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main> <000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles> <002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian> <200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian> <002d01c4f460$1a2a8b10$6401a8c0@eagles> <003301c4f461$42db7460$0201a8c0@private.network> <006201c4f46a$12fc6ca0$6401a8c0@eagles> <005f01c4f474$1a22f9e0$0201a8c0@private.network> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Scott, The main 137 antenna will be an inverted-L with two, 392 foot long #10 copper clad horizontal wires fanning out from the tower in a V. I am using this V-Beam antenna for reception on LF now and find that it works quite well. Since I have not installed receiving loop yet, I have nothing to compare it to. The receiving loop will come later. The single-tower station at VY1JA has a tribander at 109 feet from ground. It is on a mast about 4 feet above the top of the tower, so the tower top is roughly at 105 feet. I have forgotten exactly what the height is and could measure it when I work on it next, but I know that I am close and the main thing is getting it resonant and tuning it. The present points of attachment of the two horizontal wires at the tower are at 80 feet, and the attachment points of the two end supports are at 68 and 63.5 feet with some sag between the attachment and the ends. I would say after examining this that the average heights of the two wires would be about 70 feet, including sag and lower end support positions. The horizontal wires form a "V" from the top of the tower outward toward 65 degrees and 120 degrees azimuth. Each wire is 392 feet long. The included angle in the V is therefore approximately 55 degrees. My plans for now are to put a pair of 1500 Ohm inductors at the top of the tower (at right angles to each other) and connect one end of each inductor to one of the two V wires. The ends of the V wires are insulated from the tower and at their far ends by power system insulators rated at 150,000 volts. It is intended to run a #6 aluminum wire on power insulators down from the remaining end of each of the inductors. At the base, it is planned to join the two vertical #6 feed wires, which will still need a base loading inductor of approximately 105 Ohms of loading for fine tuning. The last device is the tuner, which I have not even thought about yet.... Once I begin construction of the amplifier, I will need to select the design and begin building the tuner. Elnec shows the radiation resistance of the antenna with all resistances set to zero, to be about 0.02053 Ohms. With normal resistances and without the tuner loss, the antenna impedance with the resistance of wire and loss resistance, the antenna connection impedance estimates at 7.6 Ohms. Antenna efficiency (excluding the tuner) with these two 400 foot capacitance wires would then be about (100x0.02053/7.6)= 0.027% which I understand is good for an LF antenna. Power is lost in the coils of the matching network isn't it? I wonder how efficient the networks are? 500 Watts out of the rig, assuming an 75 percent efficiency through the tuner, = 400 Watts out of the tuner to the antenna, then (400 times .00027)=1.08 Watts, a close match to 1 Watt ERP, the restriction of my approval for these experiments. Is the math OK? I was planning some day to also put up a large high loop. I can go out from the top of the tower to the top of one of the 4 inch aluminum supports of the V ends, then using the support as one vertical loop leg, connect a wire at about 9 feet above ground and bring it back to the tower also at 9 feet. It would be an odd shaped loop (104-9)= 95 feet on the tower side and (68-9)=55 feet on the support side, with top and bottom wires which will be about 405 feet long, each, (longer than the V legs because there are no insulators involved and no support wires. Why I say that I WAS planning to put up the loop is that the efficiency of the loop checks out to be about 1/10 as good as the inverted-L. I have no trees nearby, there is no advantage to the loop which I can see, except possibly its directivity. These are my antenna plans for the warmer weather. Feedback?. Does this give you an understanding of my antenna plans? If you need anything else explained further, please ask. J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42708 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 09:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 09:11:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmq8j-000L9f-QE for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:10:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmq8j-000L9b-M7 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:10:37 +0000 Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.83]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmq9f-0002Yp-BR for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:11:35 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0798L4w008971; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:10:48 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28076 for lowfer-14416503; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28047 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.252.107] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050107090722113005otcae> (Authid: dmcintyre); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:07:22 +0000 Message-ID: <41DE5143.4040502@att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:07:15 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: Lowfer LWCA Subject: [LW] Re: LF: Loran line at 135,920.7 +/- KHz ? References: <41DE1DE3.3040300@att.net> In-Reply-To: <41DE1DE3.3040300@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > Tonight I see a signal near 135,920.7 Khz. Looking back at past years > captures of this spectrum I see this same line when T/A signals were > good. Does anyone else receive what looks like a Loran line at this > frequency? > > Dex > > On this capture made at 0601Z the signal appears to be keyed with a peak about 0530Z. Is someone transmitting there? http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/13592x_hz_07jan05.jpg Dex ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8658 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 10:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 10:57:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmrnD-000PDi-3k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:56:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmrnC-000PDf-RR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:56:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmro7-0004lx-3c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:57:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmrnI-0001Zg-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:56:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmrmn-0001Wy-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:56:05 +0000 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmqTY-00052P-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:32:14 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.1]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09518; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:26:05 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:24:41 -0000 Message-ID: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> From: Andy To: "'ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com'" , "Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:23:25 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: UKNWN(UK) X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 195.80.0.234 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.163,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.516 Subject: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070104050502070305030609" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART, X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070104050502070305030609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A research organisation that shall remain nameless has just made the decision that soldering irons have to have warning notices attached as they may be HOT. 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(v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <307395632.20050107122225@t-online.de> To: "rsgb_lf_group @ blacksheep . org" , lowfer@lwca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: VmPmo8ZTQe7Sdp8DsNsrKLQfc6s1AuhkwHam6l8EIoCSp0ZgKTpi8m X-TOI-MSGID: d8d96103-32e2-4f1b-9dc8-6118da521eac X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: TA 6/7th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good signal from WD2XGJ in QRSS60 and WD2XES in Jason last night. Added some screenshots of VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ to my website.: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40155 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 11:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 11:30:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsJA-0007kZ-6o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:29:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsJ9-0007kT-UZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:29:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmsK4-000Lzy-Ny for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:30:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsJp-0001pB-NH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:30:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsJp-0001p2-CL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:30:13 +0000 Received: from virus-out-st.online.no ([193.212.240.200] helo=scan.telenor.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmsJm-0002te-JH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:30:13 +0000 Received: from tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.90] [134.47.162.90]) by scan.telenor.net with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:30:01 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:30:01 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-014.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.163.124]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:30:01 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:30:01 +0100 Message-Id: Thread-Topic: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year thread-index: AcT0p95pU7aPkpkCR9G4DxZPrjyl2AAA6EAw From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2005 11:30:01.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[39C87FD0:01C4F4AC] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.212.240.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telenor.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Antw.: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic (Intern) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Warning: Remembeer to buy solder because some EU rules forbid to sell the normal type of solder after july 2006, some day you may find it difficult to solder your projects, but not so important for those of you who prefer to buy your status objects from Japan - LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]På vegne av Andy Sendt: 7. januar 2005 10:23 Til: 'ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com'; Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail) Emne: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Viktighet: Høy A research organisation that shall remain nameless has just made the decision that soldering irons have to have warning notices attached as they may be HOT. Perhaps this would be a suitable sign. :-) 'JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12649 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 11:34:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 11:34:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsNL-000Aya-1Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:33:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsNK-000AyR-Nd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:33:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmsNy-000O5f-Ks for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:34:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsNn-0001sx-Vv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:34:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsNn-0001so-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:34:19 +0000 Received: from mailfe03.swip.net ([212.247.154.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmsNk-0002vA-L7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:34:19 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.40.55] ([213.101.40.55] verified) by mailfe03.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 67810710 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:34:02 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.9]); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:34:27 -0100 Message-ID: <41DE81B2.9010100@tele2.se> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:33:54 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> In-Reply-To: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_HDR_XT2PID=1.111 Subject: Re: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020201050205010106010009" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020201050205010106010009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Also needed is a clear indication which end is the handle and a note that the mains plug may be harmful if swallowed. Oh dear... 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 2005-01-06 --------------020201050205010106010009-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64064 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 11:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 11:51:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsdO-000EJ3-6i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:50:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsdN-000EIi-L8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:50:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmseI-000Ab3-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:51:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsVm-0001yR-KQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:42:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsVk-0001yI-2K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:42:32 +0000 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.213]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmsVe-0005k7-PZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CmsTY-000CB7-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c4f4ac$eff59d60$1f03210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:34:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 212.159.14.213 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of thersgb.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) My first encounter with a soldering iron (aged about 12, I guess) was when someone said "Here, hold this a minute", and I grabbed it by the metal barrel bit, beause my friend was still holding the handle. I got a nasty burn right across my hand. I learned from my mistake ... but some kind of warning might have been nice. A soldering iron stand might have prevented the accident too! Of course, soldering irons will have to be even hotter when we go lead-free. At work, we use a training video, to teach about soldering and solding irons. I have also shown it at the Radio Club and it was well received, generating some good conversation about construction techniques. Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy" To: ; "Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year > > A research organisation that shall remain nameless has just made the > decision > that soldering irons have to have warning notices attached as they may be > HOT. > > Perhaps this would be a suitable sign. > > :-) 'JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94867 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 12:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 12:20:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmt5z-000OW3-K6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:20:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmt5z-000OVx-AY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:19:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmt6d-000N5n-Dr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:20:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmt2t-00025u-Nb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:16:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmt2m-00025l-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:16:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmt2h-0006Op-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:16:40 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34053781DB for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:15:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.137] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:15:28 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.137 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg137.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID999JagmPC1942X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.158.162] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 087JagmPZ0317M37; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:15:25 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.158.162 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41DE7D64.5070006@usa.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:15:32 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> In-Reply-To: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID087JagmPA0317X37 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Andy wrote: > >A research organisation that shall remain nameless has just made the decision >that soldering irons have to have warning notices attached as they may be HOT. > > Hmmm, that looks incomplete, as is the norm for EU committees located in Brussels.... The fail to mention that it is HOT only when it is powered ON..... I saw many, many, years ago a booklet meant for the Customer Engineers servicing those big IBM computers now disappeared, which had a note, in bold characters, that stated that the Power OFF push button was operative _only_ when the power was switched on.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73095 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 12:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 12:27:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmtCf-0000WH-Uh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:26:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmtCf-0000Vr-6b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:26:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmtDJ-0000mu-9s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:27:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmtCi-0002BP-Mp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:26:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmtCi-0002BG-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:26:56 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmtCU-0006Se-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:26:55 +0000 Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050107121811.PKJW15658.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:18:11 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.22]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050107121810.ODLM15415.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:18:10 +0000 Message-ID: <005701c4f4b3$44f44900$0abc0150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:20:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: error in processing during lookup of domain of ukonline.co.uk: DNS lookup failure X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Has the world gone mad - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy To: ; Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail) Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: LF: Has the world gone mad - ? No ! Only the European Union. G3GVB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80517 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 12:30:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 12:30:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmtFA-0000yC-HV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:29:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmtFA-0000y9-EF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:29:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmtG4-0007D7-Qb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:30:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmtFS-0002EC-9u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:29:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmtFR-0002E3-Mi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:29:45 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmtFF-0006U0-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:29:45 +0000 Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050107122131.DDKN24912.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:21:31 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.22]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050107122130.VGKB13480.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:21:30 +0000 Message-ID: <006201c4f4b3$bbcb4240$0abc0150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:23:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: error in processing during lookup of domain of ukonline.co.uk: DNS lookup failure X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Antw.: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic (Intern) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Great tourist opportunity . for Norway......"Fly to Oslo for a soldering good weekend amongst a free people"" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: LF: Antw.: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic (Intern) Warning: Remembeer to buy solder because some EU rules forbid to sell the normal type of solder after july 2006, some day you may find it difficult to solder your projects, but not so important for those of you who prefer to buy your status objects from Japan - LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]På vegne av Andy Sendt: 7. januar 2005 10:23 Til: 'ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com'; Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail) Emne: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Viktighet: Høy A research organisation that shall remain nameless has just made the decision that soldering irons have to have warning notices attached as they may be HOT. Perhaps this would be a suitable sign. :-) 'JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71933 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 12:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 12:47:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmtVT-00059f-BP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:46:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmtVT-00059c-61 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:46:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmtW7-000FEO-5f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:46:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmtUk-0002LJ-3O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:45:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmtUj-0002LA-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:45:33 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmtUS-0006aG-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:45:32 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.client.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010712321201300t495re>; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:32:12 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c4f4b4$ce53b720$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41DE1DE3.3040300@att.net> <41DE5143.4040502@att.net> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 07:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: error in processing during lookup of domain of comcast.net: DNS lookup failure X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Loran line at 135,920.7 +/- KHz ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) No EU signals on the overnight captures here. Dex - I don't show that particular line in my captures. Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" To: Cc: "Lowfer LWCA" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 4:07 AM Subject: Re: LF: Loran line at 135,920.7 +/- KHz ? > Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > > Tonight I see a signal near 135,920.7 Khz. Looking back at past years > > captures of this spectrum I see this same line when T/A signals were > > good. Does anyone else receive what looks like a Loran line at this > > frequency? > > > > Dex > > > > > On this capture made at 0601Z the signal appears to be keyed with a peak > about 0530Z. Is someone transmitting there? > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/13592x_hz_07jan05.jpg > > Dex > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2861 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 13:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 13:13:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmtub-000EAF-GQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:12:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmtua-000E9x-Qk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:12:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmtvU-000P4p-SH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:13:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmtu0-0002kF-Fz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:11:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmttz-0002k6-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:11:40 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay.omnieng.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmttu-0006jE-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:11:39 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Jan 2005 13:09:28 -0000 Received: from pD95145C1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (217.81.69.193) by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 07 Jan 2005 14:09:28 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <000801c4f4ba$6956b100$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <82.1ecc794c.2f0d0993@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:11:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED=0.1,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,X_MSMAIL_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.501,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.516 Subject: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,X_MSMAIL_PRIORITY_HIGH,X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi David,
 
In order to improve the sensitivity for regular Amateur (Ja- Rig) a Pre- Amp is needed.
I was looking at Your homepage and found such a Pre- Amplifier.
 
Could You tell me, whats the Value for L1 and L2 is.
 
I´m noch lucky in on order to pin down the TOKO Coil 707VXA016YKS ( is that a zero or a null ?)
May be I can find similar Coils if I would know more parameters
 
Many thanks
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61025 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 18:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 18:16:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmydi-000Oe4-Nb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:15:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmydi-000Oe1-Ip for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:15:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmyea-0002Fs-EP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:16:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmyaN-0003Bu-1M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:11:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmyaK-0003AO-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:11:40 +0000 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmwTu-0007yx-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:56:59 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.234) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.6) id 41C75BBC001E20B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:54:13 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c4f4ce$ad446ec0$eae4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c4f405$9a213d60$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <41DDE67F.3010500@genesiswireless.us> Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:01:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 209.228.29.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: FIRE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: WE0H Mike
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: LF: FIRE

Turn your own tires and wheels out of Delrin on a lathe =-O

Mike
 
Hi Mike.
I do not have a lathe or Delrin, would it be possibe for you to do the job for me and let me know the cost.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


 

 
 
 
 
 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80957 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 18:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 18:16:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmydk-000OeT-Kj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:15:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmydk-000OeQ-H7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:15:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmyec-0002Dl-Eh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:16:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmyaN-0003By-A5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:11:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmyaL-000398-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:11:41 +0000 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmwTu-0007yy-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:56:59 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.234) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.6) id 41C75BBC001E20B9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:54:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c4f4ce$ae1ea220$eae4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:20:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 209.228.29.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: VY1JA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi J
The antenna that you describe is similar to mine and it should work well.
My system is suspended from a tower over 100 ft high and consists of 4 inv L antennas. Each L vertical section is 100 ft with the top section of each L 400 feet long. The 4 vertical drop wires are spaced out from the top of the tower about 4 feet and converge at the bottom about the same distance out from the tower. The 4 bottom ends connect to a 0,5 mH inductor wound with litz wire, and in series to ground with a small tapped inductor for 50 ohm matching to the coax from the RX/TX
This works well for me for both TX and RX.
I tap down the large inductor to resonate the antenna for 137 khz and tap the coax up from the cold ground end of the smaller inductor for a 50 ohm match.
 
As an alternative RX only antenna I have a 80 metre perimiter vertical loop parallel resonated for 137 and that also works well, optimum direction E/W.
Good luck with your system and I hope to have a QSO with you soon on normal CW is possible.
73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH/SCARBOROUGH
 
 
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At 0230, a letter 'A' may have been strong enough to have been readable on QRSS3 (The only thing stopping me monitoring with a QRSS3 screen is having to trawl through all of those captures!). A picture of the 0230 reception is at: http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13783 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 18:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 18:27:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmyos-000FFy-C1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:26:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmyos-000FFv-9Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:26:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmypU-0008By-4n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:27:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmyoY-0003RT-4W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:26:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmybD-0003AO-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:12:35 +0000 Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.42]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmugj-00070d-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 14:02:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292811D7317 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:00:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9821F1D7310 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:00:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEDE38018C for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:00:54 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050107144023.023a6940@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:12:20 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <005701c4f4b3$44f44900$0abc0150@captbrian> References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 134.58.240.42 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Re: Has the world gone mad - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Bryan, maybe it's fancy to blame the EU for anything that goes wrong but ... these things happen all over the world. I know countries where : - Restaurants serve lukewarm coffee to avoid being sued by idiots who pour hot coffee over themselves and get burned - When you buy a microwave oven it comes with a warning that it is not suitable to dry wet pets - Youngsters can buy guns at the age of 16 but are not allowed to drink alcohol (in public) up to the age of 21 - A friend received a message from the local post office that he had to go there and receive an item that was not suitable to put in his mailbox. The "corpus delicti" turned out to be a postcard with the famous Brussels statue "manneken-pis" ( http://www.manneken-pis.com/ ) on the front. The postman refused to deliver it because it was "indecent". - A mother was fined by the police because she let her 2 year old daughter play on a public beach in "monokini". The police was warned by another mother of a 2 year old boy who was afraid that her son would get bad thoughts seeing the 2 year old girl "topless". - and so on ... These countries are certainly not part of the EU. 73, Rik ON7YD At 12:20 7/01/2005 +0000, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Andy >To: ; Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail) > >Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:23 AM >Subject: LF: Has the world gone mad - ? > >No ! Only the European Union. > > >G3GVB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22277 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 18:30:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 18:30:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmyrO-0002Rg-Me for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:29:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmyrO-0002RU-6c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:29:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmysG-0009b0-5X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:30:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmyru-0003VA-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:29:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmyru-0003V1-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:29:50 +0000 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmyrp-0000v5-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:29:49 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j07IRaRU016471 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:57:37 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j07IRaI5011501 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:57:36 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j07IRaSw015800; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:57:36 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 14:57:35 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <41DECAA4.6840.1C1F602@localhost> Message-ID: References: <41DECAA4.6840.1C1F602@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 134.153.232.16 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 7 Jan Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Mike and Group, I will try QRSS10 tonight. Hopefully we can start skeds for some more 2 way TA's on 2200. 73 Joe On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Mike Dennison wrote: > Last night, VO1NA was again readable on my QRSS10 > screen. At 0230, a letter 'A' may have been strong enough > to have been readable on QRSS3 (The only thing stopping > me monitoring with a QRSS3 screen is having to trawl > through all of those captures!). > > A picture of the 0230 reception is at: > http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23212 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 18:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 18:30:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmyri-0002as-31 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:29:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmyrg-0002Zo-CQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:29:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CmysY-000DDY-9A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:30:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmysR-0003YR-Sx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:30:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmybh-0003AO-Le for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:13:05 +0000 Received: from mail.nrtco.net ([216.168.96.52]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmu5N-0006mk-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:23:31 +0000 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar (nrtcorback-216-168-120-89.nrtco.net [216.168.120.89]) by mail.nrtco.net (8.12.10/8.12.1) with SMTP id j07DPVHC027641 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:25:31 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050107081649.00a58490@magma.ca> X-Sender: ve2iq@magma.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 08:16:49 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle In-Reply-To: <41DE7D64.5070006@usa.net> References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 216.168.96.52 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of magma.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 01:15 PM 1/7/2005 +0100, Alberto wrote: >I saw many, many, years ago a booklet meant for the Customer >Engineers servicing those big IBM computers now disappeared, >which had a note, in bold characters, that stated that the >Power OFF push button was operative _only_ when the power >was switched on.... Reminds me of the one about the computer which had the instruction: "BRANCH ON POWER OFF" Bill From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30727 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 18:33:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 18:33:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmyuF-0003fH-Vj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:32:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmyuF-0003f0-8X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:32:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmyv7-000MWG-5F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:33:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmyuf-0003eW-88 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:32:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmyuc-0003eN-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:32:38 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmyuY-0000wX-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:32:38 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cmysq-0006RF-NS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:30:48 +0100 Received: from p50904261.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.66.97] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cmysq-0002UN-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:30:48 +0100 Message-ID: <41DED559.4030808@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:30:49 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11136112547.20050107190452@pyrotherm.co.yu> In-Reply-To: <11136112547.20050107190452@pyrotherm.co.yu> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: Re: LF: Z3 DXpedition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Teo, Thanks for the expedition, it will undoubtedly trigger a lot of activity on this otherwise very quiet band. Hope you will be able to put out such a nice signal from Z3 as from your home QTH: When I worked you (from DF0WD) recently in QRSS10, your signal was perfectly audible here. Good luck, 73 Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55807 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 18:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 18:41:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmz2r-000JRt-SP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:41:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmz2r-000JRW-Du for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:41:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmz3T-0000WP-0F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:41:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmz2f-0003iw-2s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:40:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmz2e-0003in-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:40:56 +0000 Received: from smtp.bulldogdsl.com ([212.158.192.11]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmz2Z-00010u-8A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:40:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.33] (host-84-9-76-85.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.76.85]) by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2787317961 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:39:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.298 [265.6.8]); Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:39:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c4f4e8$44147d40$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:39:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 212.158.192.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS=1.101,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_COMMENT_8BITS=0.822,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY=0.257,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.261,WEIRD_QUOTING=0.471 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010706000008070805090100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGS,HTML_20_30, HTML_COMMENT_8BITS,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50, WEIRD_QUOTING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010706000008070805090100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
It's a bit late for Christmas puzzles but try this one:
 
Circuit A is the usual antenna tuning cct for a short highly reactive whip. It has the advantage that the antenna tuning inductor can be a long way away from the PA.
Circuit B has been widely used for HF walkie-talkies using a short whip. Only one coil is needed because the end of the antenna can be brought right onto the PA board.
 
Puzzle:
The tuning coil in A tunes very sharply; you really need a continuously-variable inductor.
That in B tunes quite flatly and you only need a few fixed taps.
Why?
 
Incidentally, are they really the same circuit?
 
Happy New Year!!!
Walter G3JKV.
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Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 03/01/2005 --------------010706000008070805090100-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91024 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 19:03:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 19:03:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmzNK-000Nl8-3T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:02:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmzNJ-000Nl3-Nd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:02:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmzNv-0009YK-EV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:02:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmzMk-0003pp-7l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:01:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmzMj-0003pg-NT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:01:41 +0000 Received: from f2phy.netins.net ([167.142.229.65] helo=cgpf2.cgp.netins.net) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmzMh-00016L-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:01:41 +0000 Received: from [167.142.32.126] (HELO tomoqdcnb7jv1y) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with SMTP id 682637829 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:54:07 -0600 From: "=?US-ASCII?Q?Dr._Tom_Gruis=2C_KOHTF?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:54:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050107081649.00a58490@magma.ca> X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: domain of netins.net designates 167.142.229.65 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: RE: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi from Iowa! My son worked in avionics for a few years. A customer bought an expensive radio & navigation instrument for his private plane. A few days later he returned in a rage that while all the functions, VOR, OMNI, etc., operated perfectly, the set was completely inoperative in the OFF position - this is true. Also, quite a few years ago now there was an attempt to start a new commercial television network here in the states: The Overmeyer Network," after its namesake. Some pundits observed that its main advantage was to have its initials right by the power switch. Doc. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62055 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 19:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 19:23:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmzhN-0002Cu-Lg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:23:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmzhN-0002Cr-J9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:23:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmzhz-000A9E-5a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:23:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmzfh-0003w6-HC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:21:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmzfg-0003vx-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:21:16 +0000 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmzfc-0001C1-NT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:21:16 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CmzZW-0008Vs-00 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:14:54 +0000 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (bts-0251.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.48.251]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id j07JEUTS012823 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 19:14:53 GMT Message-ID: <200501071914400744.0C351147@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:14:40 +0000 From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 194.247.47.231 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zetnet.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Funny, 30 years ago I used to base my opinion of newly-graduated electronics students on whether they knew which end of a soldering iron to pick up. G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 07/01/2005 at 09:23 Andy wrote: >A research organisation that shall remain nameless has just made the >decision >that soldering irons have to have warning notices attached as they may be >HOT. > >Perhaps this would be a suitable sign. > >:-) 'JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3094 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 20:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 20:27:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn0h7-0008U4-Ol for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:26:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn0h7-0008U1-Lf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:26:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cn0hv-0000kC-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:27:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn0f5-00046D-JO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:24:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn0ey-000464-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:24:37 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cn0ew-0001Tc-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:24:36 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (144.254.224.150) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Jan 2005 21:37:46 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j07KMOW6011141 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:22:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from zen.co.uk (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp4530.cisco.com [10.61.81.177]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22627 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:22:23 GMT Message-ID: <41DEEF7E.2040206@zen.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:22:22 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20050107144023.023a6940@u0019445.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050107144023.023a6940@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 144.254.224.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zen.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Has the world gone mad - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Bryan, > > maybe it's fancy to blame the EU for anything that goes wrong but ... > these things happen all over the world. > > I know countries where : > > - Restaurants serve lukewarm coffee to avoid being sued by idiots who > pour hot coffee over themselves and get burned > Those would be the resturants where the big sign on the door says that by entering the resturant you will exposed to cancer causing agents. Stewart G3YSX. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90072 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 21:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 21:09:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn1Ly-000OqV-24 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:09:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn1Lx-000OqI-E5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:09:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cn1MY-0000QC-B0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:09:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn1LT-0004Eb-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:08:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn1LT-0004ES-BT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:08:31 +0000 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cn1LP-0001f2-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:08:31 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cn1FJ-0001H0-00 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:02:09 +0000 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (bts-0359.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.103]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id j07L1Y6h007769 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:02:06 GMT Message-ID: <200501072101370840.004D7A1B@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050107144023.023a6940@u0019445.kuleuven.be> References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20050107144023.023a6940@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:01:37 +0000 From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 194.247.47.231 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zetnet.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RISK_FREE=0.671 Subject: Re[2]: LF: Re: Has the world gone mad - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=RISK_FREE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On 07/01/2005 at 15:12 Rik Strobbe wrote: [ ... ] >maybe it's fancy to blame the EU for anything that goes wrong but ... >these >things happen all over the world. Too often it is a local or national government official who decides that a Directive from Brussels is not severe enough to deal with the problem and decides to make it more rigorous (or he may simply dream the whole thing up himself). The polite abbreviation for this is CMB. When there is a farce, he blames it on "Brussels". [I meant fuss, but perhaps I was right the first time] For example, it is reported in our regional newspaper today that a Welsh city has forbidden its inhabitants to put used teabags into the municipal compost facility, because they may have been in contact with an animal product (milk) and therefore pose a risk of foot and mouth disease. But the proper way of making tea involves using a teapot (into which one never puts the milk), so there is no risk. Happy new year John G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54591 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 01:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 01:49:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn5ir-0000zq-O2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:48:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn5io-0000yc-Hv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:48:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cn5jN-000Mvu-KT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:49:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn5gr-0005BK-Qg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:46:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn5gr-0005BB-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:46:53 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cn5gm-0002zh-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:46:52 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9Z00C4I5XHM8X3@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:39:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j081dH6Y025289 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:39:17 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24301-12-2 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:39:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j081cc1n025165 for ; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:38:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 01:38:35 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <003b01c4f522$c5037d90$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <001f01c4f4ce$ae1ea220$eae4fc3e@l8p8y6> X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mal, Do you have a sketch of the antenna resonating and matching that you can send, or possibly a link to a webpage it is on? A sketch will make it easier for me to understand. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98336 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 04:10:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 04:10:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn7v9-0002OM-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:09:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cn7v8-0002OG-OZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:09:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cn7vg-0009Zz-UT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:10:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn7sZ-0005oE-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:07:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cn7sZ-0005o5-1q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:07:07 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cn7sO-0003UK-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:07:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0841hpq004420 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:01:43 -0600 Message-ID: <41DF5BA7.4010905@genesiswireless.us> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:03:51 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c4f405$9a213d60$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <41DDE67F.3010500@genesiswireless.us> <001e01c4f4ce$ad446ec0$eae4fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <001e01c4f4ce$ad446ec0$eae4fc3e@l8p8y6> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544 Subject: Re: LF: FIRE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal,
The cost would be too high just to ship such a large item over the pond unfortunately. Our machine shop certainly could make Delrin wheels but it wouldn't be economically feasible to do this. I like the other guys idea of using PVC standoffs for the trailer. It might just be worth a try to use the rubber tires the way they are and see if they heat up and then to stay under that power level of which they may ignite. Now if you had two trailers with two tall crank up masts of which you could hang an Ashlock loop from, then there wouldn't be a fire issue to deal with. Maybe just try a copper pipe loop in the Ashlock fashion of which it would be rotatable while hanging from a rope from the top of the mast. Probably easier to just find a couple tall trees and take a line and shoot it over them and pull up a wire for a loop. When your done you would only have to pull it down and roll it up and away you go.

I don't recall what the topic was all about. Was this for a portable DX-pedition you are planning? We had a US fellow whom went out for a weekend and strung a flattop vertical between two trees and operated under Part 15 rules for a few days. That would be fun in the spring time out in a meadow with the newly emerging flowers and a picnic basket full of yummy food and maybe a few ails to drink. A nice relaxing day non the less :-)

73's,
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI

hamilton mal wrote:
 
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From: WE0H Mike
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 1:31 AM
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Turn your own tires and wheels out of Delrin on a lathe =-O

Mike
 
Hi Mike.
I do not have a lathe or Delrin, would it be possibe for you to do the job for me and let me know the cost.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

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Subject: LF: Pre-amps on LF

Adding a yxm/mrf pre-amp will overcome the loss of the input attenuator (apx 10dB) and will have a few extra dB to help things along. However, I have had a couple of mails from people who expected the pre-amps to work when they were added to simple small verticals or wires.
 
The pre-amps are 50 Ohms (ish) in and out while the  impedance of a typical 7MHz vertical is a very small fraction of 1 Ohm. The loss between them is huge. You need a matching network.
 
I remember in the early days of 136k here in the UK working one enterprising operator who had built a trasnsmitter and had matched his HF vertical by adding a reel of enamelled copper wire in series. Tuning was achieved by sliding a ferrite rod into the center of the reel and adjusting for best signal. - Wonderful!
 
A small antenna that works well is the e-field probe as promoted by AMRAD a few years ago. This is a short antenna with a very high input impedance FET amplifier.
However, the e-field probe is an exception. If you want to get any reasonable signal, you need to match the antenna................then on most amateur sets, add a pre-amp.
 
 
RE: Portable LF ATU article by G3LDO RadCom December 2003
In another posting, which I unfortunately deleted by mistake, it was suggested use of the above for matching to "short" antennas.
 
I'd be very grateful to hear from anyone who's build this ATU and got it working satisfactorily.
I can't get the LF Loading Circuit section of mine to tune-up at all, it's completely flat with any values of selected C.
I suspect it's all down to my fabrication of the Loading Coil, ferrite used etc. so it'd be very helpful if I knew at least the value of inductance I should be aiming at for this particular cct. then I can mess about with number of turns, ferrites and so on...
Mni tnx in advance.
..Dave
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46234 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 13:05:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 13:05:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnGHR-000M5h-7b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:05:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnGHQ-000M5X-S5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:05:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnGHw-000AW6-0c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:05:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnGHX-0007Kl-H8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:05:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnGHX-0007Kc-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:05:27 +0000 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CnGHS-0005Br-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:05:26 +0000 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnGFV-0002UX-00; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:03:21 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.2 (JlbCfsZEoeZY16bqnE3na7PSj-lHDEnhwneeZaGpziBIVS6AjoFe0b@[217.225.202.159]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnGFL-0MlU2a0; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:03:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bernd grupe References: <82.1ecc794c.2f0d0993@aol.com> <000801c4f4ba$6956b100$1201a8c0@uwe> In-Reply-To: <000801c4f4ba$6956b100$1201a8c0@uwe> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0031 Date: 08 Jan 2005 13:03 GMT Message-ID: <1CnGFL-0MlU2a0@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: JlbCfsZEoeZY16bqnE3na7PSj-lHDEnhwneeZaGpziBIVS6AjoFe0b X-TOI-MSGID: 81e463b1-385b-43e4-9a55-8cbae5cbc408 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 194.25.134.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Guck mal auf diese Seite: http://www.qsl.net/in3otd/bpfiltex1.html 73 bernd "Uwe Wensauer" schrieb: Hi David, In order to improve the sensitivity for regular Amateur (Ja- Rig) a Pre- Amp is needed.I was looking at Your homepage and found such a Pre- Amplifier. Could You tell me, whats the Value for L1 and L2 is. I´m noch lucky in on order to pin down the TOKO Coil 707VXA016YKS ( is that a zero or a null ?)May be I can find similar Coils if I would know more parameters Many thanks Uwe, DK1KQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72304 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 13:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 13:07:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnGJI-000MYw-Bb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:07:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnGJI-000MYt-8p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:07:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnGJn-000B65-AC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:07:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnGJd-0007OQ-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:07:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnGJc-0007OH-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:07:36 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CnGJX-0005Cc-RD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:07:35 +0000 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnGIE-0007up-02; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:06:10 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.2 (VUtk32Zr8ek+ax40XPaS1P61C-zXJCULK8LhNzeK2N+Q61P9mDsWwT@[217.225.202.159]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnGI9-1NcG6i0; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:06:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bernd grupe References: <82.1ecc794c.2f0d0993@aol.com> <000801c4f4ba$6956b100$1201a8c0@uwe> In-Reply-To: <000801c4f4ba$6956b100$1201a8c0@uwe> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0031 Date: 08 Jan 2005 13:06 GMT Message-ID: <1CnGI9-1NcG6i0@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: VUtk32Zr8ek+ax40XPaS1P61C-zXJCULK8LhNzeK2N+Q61P9mDsWwT X-TOI-MSGID: 7cf915a8-e598-4cf9-915b-c9bacf023e72 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 194.25.134.18 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE=0.1,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED=0.1,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit T-Online eMail
 
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  "Uwe Wensauer" <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de> schrieb:
Hi David,
 
In order to improve the sensitivity for regular Amateur (Ja- Rig) a Pre- Amp is needed.
I was looking at Your homepage and found such a Pre- Amplifier.
 
Could You tell me, whats the Value for L1 and L2 is.
 
I´m noch lucky in on order to pin down the TOKO Coil 707VXA016YKS ( is that a zero or a null ?)
May be I can find similar Coils if I would know more parameters
 
Many thanks
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
 
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In a message dated 08/01/2005 13:06:07 GMT Standard Time, Bernd.Grupe@t-online.de writes:
  "Uwe Wensauer" <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de> schrieb:

Hi David, In order to improve the sensitivity for regular Amateur (Ja- Rig) a Pre- Amp is needed.I was looking at Your homepage and found such a Pre- Amplifier. Could You tell me, whats the Value for L1 and L2 is. I´m noch lucky in on order to pin down the TOKO Coil 707VXA016YKS ( is that a zero or a null ?)May be I can find similar Coils if I would know more parameters Many thanks Uwe, DK1KQ

 
Uwe.
 
As supplied by Toko, the variable Inductor measures  235uH. They require a small adjustment of the ferrite core to bring them onto 136kHz. You can probably calculate the final value from the resonating capacitor values used in the pre-amp.
 
Regards
 
David
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Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 03/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82789 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 16:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 16:36:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnJZ1-0009I2-Vr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:35:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnJZ1-0009Ht-QZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:35:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnJZV-0007d6-Lr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:36:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnJXC-0007pl-6S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:33:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnJXB-0007pc-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:33:49 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CnJX7-0005zT-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:33:48 +0000 Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050108163158.QHMF22154.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:31:58 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050108163158.RUBQ7419.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:31:58 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:31:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41E00AFD.1825.57FF50@localhost> In-reply-to: <200501071914400744.0C351147@mail.zetnet.co.uk> References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Funny, 30 years ago I used to base my opinion of newly-graduated > electronics students on whether they knew which end of a soldering > iron to pick up. > G3PAI Ah, but have you ever dropped a soldering iron and instinctively grabbed it as it fell? I doubt if I am the only person to have been burnt in this way. Mike. G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83330 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 16:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 16:51:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnJnz-000CBQ-5u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:51:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnJnz-000CBI-2H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:51:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnJoS-000Cig-Qm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:51:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnJnm-0007uW-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:50:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnJnm-0007uN-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:50:58 +0000 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CnJnh-000645-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:50:57 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j08GmeRU017213 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:18:41 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j08GmeTW011027 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:18:40 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j08Gme6O011026; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:18:40 -0330 (NST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:18:39 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 134.153.232.16 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group, Getting back to the FT-817, is it possible to modify the front end or first mixer so that a preamp would be unnecessary? For those interested, the "Burhans" preamp schematic can be found on Mitch's (VE3OT) web site. If you have any trouble finding it let me know. Will resume QRSS10 tonight on 137.7770 kHz. Thanks to those who have been sending reports. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33611 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 16:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 16:59:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnJvz-000E4i-6t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:59:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnJvy-000E4U-S4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:59:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnJwS-000FkI-Fb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:59:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnJw4-0007zI-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:59:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnJw4-0007z9-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:59:32 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CnJvz-00067G-P1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:59:31 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-054.fen-net.de [212.204.116.54]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j08GomRL027730 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:50:51 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <009401c4f5a3$4fc98de0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:58:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j08GomRL027730 X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: RE: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Dmitry, thank you very much for report and snapshot. Please can you give me your locator? And please what is your equipment? 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Dmitry RA3YO An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Samstag, 8. Januar 2005 08:24 Betreff: LF: RE: DI2AG > > >Dear Walter, LF Group, > > >Copy DI2AG 08/01/2005 only at 00:00z > > >Dmitry > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95385 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 17:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 17:28:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnKNX-0002Zh-JS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:27:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnKNX-0002ZY-Ek for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:27:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnKOF-00021R-Tm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:28:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnKMq-00085n-Lj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:27:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnKMq-00085e-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:27:12 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CnKMk-0006FB-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:27:10 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-22-172.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.22.172]:3422 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CnKLR-0005Qt-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:25:45 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:27:15 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 212.74.114.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: RE: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe, I cannot find Mitch's web site, can you direct me there please, I would like to see the Burhans preamp. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joe Craig Sent: 08 January 2005 16:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Dear LF Group, Getting back to the FT-817, is it possible to modify the front end or first mixer so that a preamp would be unnecessary? For those interested, the "Burhans" preamp schematic can be found on Mitch's (VE3OT) web site. If you have any trouble finding it let me know. Will resume QRSS10 tonight on 137.7770 kHz. Thanks to those who have been sending reports. 73 Joe -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 03/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 03/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24902 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 19:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 19:24:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnMBK-0000ub-4E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:23:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnMBK-0000uY-1V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:23:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnMC1-0005sm-Od for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:24:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnM91-0008Ji-92 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:21:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnM90-0008JZ-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:21:02 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnM8v-0000h2-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:21:02 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j08JKq5n099731 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:20:52 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j08JKmwJ000763 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:20:49 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA00263 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:39:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:39:23 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <008201c4f48b$725f0d80$6401a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear J, On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > > Elnec shows the radiation resistance of the antenna with all resistances set > to zero, to be about 0.02053 Ohms. It seems to be very strange. Simple formula for top loaded vertical R=1600(H/lambda)^2 yelds about 0.16 Ohms if H=20m. Though it is more resonable then 0.02 Ohms. Are You sure there is no mistake in elnec modeling? Number of computer experiments with NEC done by me for different antennas on 136 kHz yelds results very close to this simple formula. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46601 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 19:56:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 19:56:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnMh0-00080G-LT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:56:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnMh0-00080C-HN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:56:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnMhi-000Bt0-0Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:56:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnMgS-0008PW-K7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:55:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnMgS-0008PN-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:55:36 +0000 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnMgP-0000mk-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:55:36 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-151.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.151] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CnMgH-0007k5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:55:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c4f275$b00612e0$97c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <82.1ecc794c.2f0d0993@aol.com> <003401c4f581$8ba74cc0$93582850@dshack> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:53:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX=1.082 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dave_Richardson said: ------------------- RE: Portable LF ATU article by G3LDO RadCom December 2003 In another posting, which I unfortunately deleted by mistake, it was suggested use of the above for matching to "short" antennas. I'd be very grateful to hear from anyone who's build this ATU and got it working satisfactorily. I can't get the LF Loading Circuit section of mine to tune-up at all, it's completely flat with any values of selected C. I suspect it's all down to my fabrication of the Loading Coil, ferrite used etc. so it'd be very helpful if I knew at least the value of inductance I should be aiming at for this particular cct. then I can mess about with number of turns, ferrites and so on... ------------------ I had to have several attempts to get coil tuned and matched. I filled the three-ferrite former with wire but it was still too high in frequency and I had wind a further layer on top covering half the former. If the frequency is too high it falls into the broadcast band, which is filtered out by the G0MRF rf amplifier filters . The quality and composition of ferrites from old transistor radios varies considerably so the only way to manage all these unforeseen variables is to put lots of tappings for both the antenna connection and the ampl;ifier connection (as Mike Dennison will attest from the early 73kHz receiving experiments). Tune up on the large signal on 138kHz initially. Regret unable to measure the inductance of the coil. Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21261 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 20:15:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 20:15:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnMzi-000PZe-99 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:15:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnMzi-000PZb-6Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:15:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnN0A-0009nQ-Ne for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:15:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnMyn-0008V5-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:14:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnMyj-0008Uw-2H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:14:29 +0000 Received: from mx.debryansk.ru ([62.33.234.10] helo=tower.tts.debryansk.ru ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnMyg-0000px-Ks for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:14:29 +0000 Received: from online.debryansk.ru (ppp82k.tts.debryansk.ru [62.33.236.88]) by tower.tts.debryansk.ru (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j08KEKv2008447 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:14:21 +0300 Message-ID: <41E03F7E.4030107@online.debryansk.ru> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:15:58 +0300 From: Dmitry RA3YO User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009401c4f5a3$4fc98de0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.33.234.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of online.debryansk.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Walter, my locator is KO73dg, antenna windom h=18 m, l=42m, also for LF all equipment home made. 73 Dmitry From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27851 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 21:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 21:16:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnNwc-0009ul-V2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:16:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnNwc-0009ui-SU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:16:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnNx4-0002Kz-PV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:16:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnNuB-0000Bb-Iw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:13:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnNuB-0000BS-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:13:51 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnNu8-0000vz-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:13:51 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.ff.a715624 (4418) for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:13:36 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:13:36 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.208 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Signal on 135922 ? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030800070203000900080303" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030800070203000900080303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group,

...working my way through 250 emails after a week away - this reflector has suddenly turned quite busy indeed :-) Apparently my unattended grabber has worked fine though with somewhat decreased sensitivity, caused by a broken filament that left a topload leg dangling. I have uploaded a couple of interesting TA sniplets on http://members.aol.com/df6nm2 .

Today I noted nice sigs from DI2AG, DJ8WX, DF0WD in various flavours, OK2BVG, YU7AR and DL2HRE, but spent most of the afternoon outdoors enjoying warm sunny weather. Now there is a westerly station active around 135922, see Argo30 taken at 20:30 - just curious who it might be.

Happy 2005 and good luck to all

Markus, DF6NM
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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > > I cannot find Mitch's web site, can you direct me there please, I would like > to see the Burhans preamp. > > Regards > > Gary - G4WGT Gary: Try http://technology.fanshawec.on.ca/eltn124/loops.htm and a rough circuit of the Burhans article and circuit has just been dropped off at http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/burhanx.jpg 73 Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64410 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 22:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) 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WD2XGJ is running QRSS 30 on 137.7775
 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49067 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 23:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 23:50:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnQKz-0000oG-5X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:49:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnQKy-0000oD-VL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:49:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnQLe-0001CM-Rq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:50:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnQJ9-0000aS-2K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:47:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnQJ8-0000aJ-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:47:46 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnQJ6-0001GJ-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:47:46 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnQJ0-0006Ve-00; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:47:38 +0100 Received: from oben (E16Ui+ZfreAEdHj1zgdMfQ00TzzdGVbZhS-LKXiPj9vQB2h+Orgw6H@[217.88.167.80]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnQIw-1Ev1CS0; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 00:47:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c4f5de$3bcb98c0$ee9bfea9@oben> From: dj9dw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:00:30 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ID: E16Ui+ZfreAEdHj1zgdMfQ00TzzdGVbZhS-LKXiPj9vQB2h+Orgw6H X-TOI-MSGID: 537f55e4-e16a-45fc-be1e-b9d44f3b05b6 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Alexander, how much topload on your vertical? Mine is 22m high with 300pF top. R at feedpoint is 24 Ohm. After some tests (compared with DCF39) and calculations the radiating restistance seems to be abt. 45 mOhm. Realistic? 73 es gl de Peter, dj9dw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 2:39 AM Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. > > Dear J, > > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > > > > > Elnec shows the radiation resistance of the antenna with all resistances set > > to zero, to be about 0.02053 Ohms. > > It seems to be very strange. Simple formula for top > loaded vertical R=1600(H/lambda)^2 yelds about 0.16 Ohms if H=20m. Though > it is more resonable then 0.02 Ohms. Are You sure there is no mistake in > elnec modeling? Number of computer experiments with NEC done by me > for different antennas on 136 kHz yelds results very close to this simple > formula. > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17250 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 04:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 04:07:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnULL-000JNv-U6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:06:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnULL-000JNj-Ec for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:06:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnULz-000Pvz-J8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:06:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnUIm-00015Z-FK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:03:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnUIi-00015Q-0T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:03:36 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnUIf-0001os-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:03:35 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IA100N0579N4914@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0943Nnf009927 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:03:23 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09471-07-5 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:03:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0942nLl009837 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:02:51 -0700 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:02:44 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001501c4f600$13060110$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <000501c4f5de$3bcb98c0$ee9bfea9@oben> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Peter, Thanks for catching my mistake... Elnec was correct, but I made a typographical error. The decimal was one place off. It is 0.2053 Ohms, not 0.02053 Ohms, and is close to the 0.16 figure you had for an antenna height of 20 meters. The tower height will be 29 meters at the point of attachment to the two horizontal capacitance wires, each 392 feet 119.5 meters long and averaging 20 meters high including sag. The two end attachment points are at 20.75 and 19.0 meters. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50550 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 04:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 04:32:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnUkV-0005JK-Ax for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:32:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnUkV-0005JH-8Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:32:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnUku-000E9R-Nm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:32:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnUk8-0002ZS-Bv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnUk7-0002ZJ-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:55 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnUk5-0007xC-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:55 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.130](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010904314401300su2cue>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 04:31:44 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:43 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:43 +0000 Message-Id: <010920050431.17338.41E0B3AF0008C052000043BA22069997350B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] WD2XGJ QRSS 30 on 137.7797 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
WD2XGJ QSY to 137.7796 running QRSS 30
 
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WD2XGJ is running QRSS 30 on 137.7775
 
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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42296 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 05:30:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 05:30:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnVeG-0007n7-Gq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:29:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnVeF-0007mh-7t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:29:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnVes-00007l-Pg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:30:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnVcY-0002h3-7I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:28:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnVcX-0002gu-SR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:28:09 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnVcW-00083H-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:28:09 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j095S55n038487 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:28:05 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j095S2es025421 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:28:03 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00254 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:46:33 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:46:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001501c4f600$13060110$6401a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > > Elnec was correct, but I made a typographical error. The decimal was one > place off. It is 0.2053 Ohms, not 0.02053 Ohms, and is close to the 0.16 > figure you had for an antenna height of 20 meters. O! This is absolutely reasonable. > > The tower height will be 29 meters 1600(29/220)^2=0.278 This should be true if capacitance of top load is much grater then capacitance of vertical wire. But Your topload is not absolutely horisontal. Current in such a 'horisontal' wire will decrease effective height. at the point of attachment to the two > horizontal capacitance wires, each 392 feet 119.5 meters long and averaging > 20 meters high including sag. Aproximatly: (29+20)/2=24.5 1600(24.5/2200)^2=0.198 and no nec is needed :-) 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21251 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 05:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 05:54:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnW1D-000KB2-LV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:53:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnW1D-000KAz-Io for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:53:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnW1c-000ALd-Jc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:54:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnW0o-0002lu-Rd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:53:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnW0o-0002ll-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:53:14 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnW0l-00085x-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 05:53:14 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j095r95n040308 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:53:09 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j095r76k026711 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:53:08 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00272 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:09:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:09:10 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <008201c4f48b$725f0d80$6401a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > tuner loss, the antenna impedance with the resistance of wire and loss > resistance, the antenna connection impedance estimates at 7.6 Ohms. 7.6 Ohm of coil resistence is reasonable. But it can be decreased if increase a diameter of a coil. Very aproximative coil Q-factor is about coil diameter in milimeters if step of wireing is optimal (step is twice of wire diameter). This is for solid wire, not for litz. More exactly Q-factor can be estimated also. But usialy coil loss is not the main loss if Q-factor is large! Main loss is a ground and enviroment loss! If conterpoise is elevated then ground loss can be estimated by NEC-2. If it is burred then one need NEC-4. Or one can use very aproximative formulas derived by me (look to archive of this list). Unfortunely all of this is true only if an antenna is out of trees, buildings e.t.c. Othervice this enviroment yelds losses wich are much grater then ground loss itself :-( I do not know how to estimate enviroment losses theoreticaly :-( May be by elnec modeling of trees? But it is a hard work! It is not simple to estimate real LF antenna effectivity theoreticaly! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81161 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 08:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 08:10:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnY9K-000HgC-1F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:10:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnY9J-000Hg8-UA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:10:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnY9i-000Lpt-34 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:10:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnY6q-0002yu-5N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:07:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnY6p-0002yl-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:07:35 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnY6n-0008Id-2V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:07:35 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IA100CDLIKI0IP0@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:07:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0987TJs027814 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:07:29 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25734-18 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:07:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0986bvr027581 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:06:38 -0700 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:06:37 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <009401c4f622$24ab3ee0$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alex, Thank you for the fine feedback in both of your messages. The antenna is in a flat mountain valley far from any trees, but it has a long low house running from about 7 meters to about 27 meters from the base of the vertical tower. Other buildings and wiring are rare and farther away. The site is very "open" other than the one close house. There are no other towers or antennas on the site. I understand that the effect of the environment is impossible to calculate, but is there a general direction that the environment moves the resistance... does it normally move the resistance up from the calculated values or its it sometimes up and sometimes down... What is the experience that most LF operators have found? I am only curious about this.... My intention is to measure the installed antenna with its upper loading coils in place, and then add the amount of fixed and variable base loading necessary to make the antenna resonant. I understand that this is the normal method... Is this correct? J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75336 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 08:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 08:43:04 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnYeX-000GpO-4C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:42:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnYeX-000GpL-1X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:42:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnYf9-0005G2-B5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:43:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnYeB-00035p-6j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:42:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnYeA-00035g-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:42:02 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnYe5-0008Lv-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:42:02 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnYe1-0000OI-00; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:41:53 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bLoJNkZO8edIWe5dfJ4XQIX9nXmHxi0oc8l0X76AMjfojiA0-uduot@[80.144.105.48]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CnYdl-09CaTw0; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:41:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:41:35 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Screenshot: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95137 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 09:23:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 09:23:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZHw-000NAO-Jl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:23:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZHw-000NAK-CY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:23:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnZIY-000JcN-CF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:23:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZGQ-0003By-AW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:21:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZGL-0003Bg-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:21:29 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnZGH-0008R9-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:21:29 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j099LL5n052926 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:21:21 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j099LI3k005157 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:21:19 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00214 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:34:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:34:15 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit > 7.6 Ohm of coil resistence is reasonable. But it can be decreased if > increase a diameter of a coil. Very aproximative coil Q-factor is about > coil diameter in milimeters if step of wireing is optimal (step is twice > of wire diameter). This is for solid wire, not for litz. This is for 136 kHz only for copper wire. For significaly another frequency this is absolutely wrong. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95172 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 09:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 09:23:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZIB-0003o5-SV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:23:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZIB-0003o2-Q1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:23:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnZIZ-000Jcy-HO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:23:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZGQ-0003Bz-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:21:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZGO-0003Bk-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:21:32 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnZGN-0008RH-PP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:21:32 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j099LT5n052961 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:21:29 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j099LI3w005157 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:21:28 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00203 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:10:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:10:25 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000501c4f5de$3bcb98c0$ee9bfea9@oben> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, dj9dw wrote: > > Alexander, > how much topload on your vertical? > Mine is 22m high with 300pF top. R at feedpoint is 24 Ohm. After some tests > (compared with DCF39) and calculations the radiating restistance seems to be > abt. 45 mOhm. Realistic? Seems should be bit grater. For infinity large top load 1600(22/2200)^=0.16=160 mOhm. Capacitance of vertical wire aproximaly 6*22=130 pF wich is less then 300pF. Certanly top load is not infinite in comparison with 130 pF. Antenna effective height is reduced by factor [Ct/(Ct+Cv)+1]/2 where Ct is capacitance of top load Cv is capacitance of vertical wire. Thus Heff=22[300/430+1]/2=18.7m R=1600(18.7/2200)^2=0.12 Ohm=120 mOhm. Thus effectivety is 0.12/24=0.005 or 0.5 percent. To radiate 1W one need TX of 200W. Certanly all of this is true only if top load is absolutely horizontal. If free end goes doun then resistance should be less then 120 mOhm. Besides reradiation by enviroment can reduce radiated power. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36547 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 09:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 09:49:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZhA-0001q5-5y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:49:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZhA-0001q2-1l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:49:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnZhl-0000dp-OP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:49:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZh2-0003L6-41 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:49:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZgz-0003Kx-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:49:01 +0000 Received: from web86607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.29]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnZgw-0008VL-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:49:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20050109094848.75881.qmail@web86607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.64.18] by web86607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:48:48 GMT Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:48:48 +0000 (GMT) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: LF group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.13.29 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 136 kHz Noise Canceller for sale on E-Bay Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00)
LF Group,
 
GW4ALG's noise canceller appears to be up for sale on E-Bay.
It's a bargain at £25 so far with no bids.
If I hadn't nearly finished building my own I'd have bought it !
 
73
Chris  G3XIZ

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40489 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 09:52:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 09:52:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZjP-0002ES-AU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:51:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnZjO-0002EE-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:51:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnZjz-000NTx-V8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:52:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZjr-0003Oc-Aw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:51:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnZjr-0003OT-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:51:59 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnZjo-0008WN-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:51:58 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-092.fen-net.de [212.204.116.92]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j099nolK011297 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:49:51 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003b01c4f631$ad33cca0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:57:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j099nolK011297 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,URIBL_SBL=0.629 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Dmitry, tnx fer info. Now you are my ODX on 440KHz with 0.5W ERP: 1649Km. Manuel, EA1PX, in IN53TI is 1640Km. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Dmitry RA3YO An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Samstag, 8. Januar 2005 21:14 Betreff: LF: Re: DI2AG >Dear Walter, > > >my locator is KO73dg, antenna windom h=18 m, l=42m, also for LF >all equipment home made. > >73 Dmitry > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74939 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 10:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 10:12:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cna3d-000CCi-K8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:12:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cna3d-000CCe-GU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:12:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cna40-000CO9-TF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:12:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cna2q-0003UJ-0r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:11:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cna2p-0003UA-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:11:35 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cna2m-00006x-T1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:11:35 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j09ABR5n056184 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:11:27 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j09ABPa4007198 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:11:26 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00243 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:28:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:28:52 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <009401c4f622$24ab3ee0$6401a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > > The antenna is in a flat mountain valley far from any trees, but it has a > long low house running from about 7 meters to about 27 meters from the base > of the vertical tower. Other buildings and wiring are rare and farther > away. The site is very "open" other than the one close house. There are no > other towers or antennas on the site. It is exelent condition! Seems in such a condition it is posible to get effectivity of few (2-5) percent! If use large and optimal loading coil with good Litz wire and good elevated conterpoise system. Indeed capacitance of Your antenna is of order 1500 pF. Then reactance of loading coil is of order 700 Ohm. Loading coil of 1 m diameter with good 'fat' Litz wire can give Q-factor of order 1000 or may be 2000 (RU6LA wrote me his Q-factor of such a coil was of order 2000). Then coil active resistance is about 0.5 Ohm only! If there is no ground loss then effectivity is 0.2/(0.5+0.2)= 0.29 or 29 percent!!! Certanly in this case main quation is ground loss. Seems if build good conerpoise system it is posible achive 1 Ohm of ground loss. It means 0.2/(0.2+0.5+1)=0.12 or 12 percent of effectivity. It is not easy of cose! May be one need to 'screen' the nearest building by few wires, connected to conerpoise system. Also ineresting quation is should or not be conterpoise system connected to the ground. I do not know definitely. But though it should be isolated from the ground. Then one need use transformer betwin TX and antenna. Any way with such a rare condition You can do very interesting and usefull experiments! Try to do some experiment with conterpoise system trying achive as less input resistance (then You get maximum of current) as posible. Worth quation is soil type of cose... > > I understand that the effect of the environment is impossible to calculate, > but is there a general direction that the environment moves the > resistance... does it normally move the resistance up from the calculated > values or its it sometimes up and sometimes down... I can not imagine enviroment moves resistance down. Certanly I meaan not metalic enviroment. Up only, this is loss. More loss - more resistance. What is the experience > that most LF operators have found? Usualy few tens of Ohms. But this is for bad enviroment. For Your good (and rare) conditions I hope it will be less then 10 Ohm. May be (?) not significant at all. Ground resistance can be calculated by NEC-2 (eznec-2). But ONLY for elevated conterpoise and one SHOULD use Sommerfeld-Norton method for ground description (there is no such a method in elnec). > I am only curious about this.... My intention is to measure the installed > antenna with its upper loading coils in place, and then add the amount of > fixed and variable base loading necessary to make the antenna resonant. I > understand that this is the normal method... Is this correct? Shure! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37501 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 10:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 10:24:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnaEv-0008iG-Mu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:24:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnaEv-0008iD-KA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:24:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnaFX-0007To-6n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:24:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnaDE-0003Xv-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:22:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnaDE-0003Xm-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:22:20 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnaDA-000096-8I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:22:20 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j09AMD5n056867 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:22:13 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j09AMBCk007667 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:22:12 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00270 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:40:45 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:40:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > system connected to the ground. I do not know definitely. But though it > should be isolated from the ground. Then one need use transformer betwin > TX and antenna. Certanly may be it is more easy to build more powerful TX not such a complex antenna because You have ERP restriction. All of this can be more interesting fo Russians where there is no ERP restriction but there is TX power restriction. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71469 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 10:45:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 10:45:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnaZI-000Hip-Rh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:45:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnaZI-000Him-PO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:45:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnaZf-000Iqr-Ut for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:45:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnaYq-0003gi-Vz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:44:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnaYq-0003gZ-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:44:40 +0000 Received: from cas-mta4-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.32] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnaYo-0000CE-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:44:40 +0000 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta4.mgmt.casema.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IA100DASPTFTF@cas-mta4.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:44:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:43:13 +0100 From: Dick Rollema X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: LF-Group Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050109113924.02e765e0@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.80.1.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Unidentified signal Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE,

Markus,  DF6NM wrote:

Now there is a westerly station active around 135922, see Argo30 taken at 20:30 - just curious who it might be.
That may have been me, using QRSS 30 and DFCW. I lost Markus screenshot so I can not verify.

I will be away on holiday until 24 January and will unsubscribe to the reflector to avoid the mailbox overflowing.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50246 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 10:57:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 10:57:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnakx-000EbE-Nw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:57:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnakx-000Eb9-EI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:57:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnalY-000NDs-IW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:57:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnakx-0003of-DN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:57:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnakx-0003oW-22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:57:11 +0000 Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.11]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnaku-0000EA-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:57:11 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.59.1e99d2f1 (4410) for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:56:58 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <59.1e99d2f1.2f1267fa@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:56:58 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.11 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: PA0SE on 135922 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090405030706080603010001" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090405030706080603010001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Dick,

aaah - with a little inverted (LSB-) thinking, things became clear today ;-) Nice signal until 10:20, approx. 1.2 µV/m in Nuernberg. Perhaps the usual gaps between DFCW dashes would allow for easier decoding.

73 de Markus


>> Now there is a westerly station active around 135922, see Argo30 taken at 20:30 - just curious who it might be.<<

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Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear J. and Alexander,

thank you for that most interesting ongoing discussion. In my opinion, the comments and formulas from RA9ME make up an excellent tutorial on LF antenna design in a nutshell. Very nice!

J. you might want to re-introduce that typographical error in your ERP calculation ;-)

Good luck and 73

Markus
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93188 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 11:19:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 11:19:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnb5b-000Jl8-0V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:18:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnb5a-000Jl4-RB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:18:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cnb6B-0005G0-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:19:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnb56-0003xB-CR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:18:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnb53-0003x2-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:17:57 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnb4z-0000Hz-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:17:57 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6EF4C8AC for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:17:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.129] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:17:39 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID338JaiLRn0831X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.154.52] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 207JaiLRl0281M29; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:17:37 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.154.52 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E112DB.2000809@usa.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:17:47 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID207JaiLRM0281X29 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: LF: Are we in January or April ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Oh my God, another invention of the perpetual motion....
This pearl was (accidentally) found at http://www.crossedfieldantenna.com/
And technical writers that cannot even correctly spell Tera (10^12) aren't
worth of any respect...

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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The new Super Power Positive Feedback Antenna (SPFA) is an advanced
developed antenna to CFA antenna , it is the antenna for the century.

The new Super Power Positive Feedback Antenna (SPFA) antenna
is a powerless superpower extremely compact antenna was reached now.
It is a positive feedback antenna , with almost zero power input , can
generate any huge radiating power at any VLF , LF , MW bands .

It is a real positive feedback Field Reactor generating huge RF power,
very stable , very broadband , very low operating voltage , good for low
profile transmission.

This new superpower positive feedback antenna is much successful than
any other super power projects because it consumes almost zero power
input and generate any super power output up to Terra watts ; much
more powerful ( with zero input power )than any other types of the
future superpower projects.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46087 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 11:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 11:50:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnbZo-0005TF-Ae for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:49:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnbZo-0005TC-5r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:49:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnbaA-0000eA-Mr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:50:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnbXc-00043E-98 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:47:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnbXb-000435-RF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:47:27 +0000 Received: from cas-mta3-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.28] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnbXZ-0000L9-E3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:47:27 +0000 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IA100MF2SQFYQ@cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:47:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:44:35 +0100 From: Dick Rollema In-reply-to: <59.1e99d2f1.2f1267fa@aol.com> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050109123144.038ab500@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 References: <59.1e99d2f1.2f1267fa@aol.com> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.80.1.28 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0SE on 135922 Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Thanks Markus,

I intended to run the transmitter the whole night but ended it after a couple of hours  because I noted some frequency instability that also shows in your screenshot.  I concluded this was caused by feedback from the aerial that runs close to the transmitter on its wooden board. 
Today I put the TX on a large metal plate connected to earth and that seems to have cured the trouble. I will run another test after our holiday on Tenerife. 
I will take your advice on spaces between dashes. Luckily ON7YD's fine QRS program allows all this to be done.

I want to thank you for your many reports on TA and other signals. You seem to live at an exceptional quiet location, judging by  your screenshots of very weak signals.
 
73, Dick, PA0SE

At 11:56 9-1-05, you wrote:
Dear Dick,

aaah - with a little inverted (LSB-) thinking, things became clear today ;-) Nice signal until 10:20, approx. 1.2 µV/m in Nuernberg. Perhaps the usual gaps between DFCW dashes would allow for easier decoding.

73 de Markus


>> Now there is a westerly station active around 135922, see Argo30 taken at 20:30 - just curious who it might be.<<

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86118 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 11:50:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 11:50:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnbZa-000Pya-6B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:49:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnbZZ-000PyS-VC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:49:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnbaA-000GLl-O8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:50:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnbYt-00043R-Ta for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:48:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnbYt-00043I-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:48:47 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnbYp-0000LR-V6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:48:47 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j09Bmf5n063556 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:48:41 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j09Bmdxr011701 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:48:40 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00343 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:07:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:07:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <12c.54d56369.2f12680d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: SPFA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Alberto, I think this is a joke only: > The new Super Power Positive Feedback Antenna (SPFA) is an advanced > developed antenna to CFA antenna , it is the antenna for the > century. > ............................ > This new superpower positive feedback antenna is much successful than > any other super power projects because it consumes almost zero power > input and generate any super power output up to Terra watts ; much > more powerful ( with zero input power )than any other types of the > future superpower projects. Hummor is good not in April only:-) This make clear CFA ('common CFA' also) is yet another perpetum mobile. 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from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CncuW-000M6z-5j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:15:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CncuV-000M6w-WB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:15:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cncus-0004ST-9U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:15:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cncrn-0004Ka-Gn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:12:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cncrn-0004KR-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:12:23 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cncrj-0000XC-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:12:23 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.153.54 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 13:12:11 -0000 Message-ID: <039301c4f64c$8e25b600$36998351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009701c4f319$3a34fe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER><001301c4f358$a60eb5b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c4f370$9d02a720$6507a8c0@Main><000e01c4f3ac$6f8b2150$6501a8c0@eagles><002101c4f3c3$911a2ac0$0d540150@captbrian><200501061101090848.054AE1B8@mail.zetnet.co.uk><00ab01c4f425$fa6978c0$58540150@captbrian><002d01c4f460$1a2a8b10$6401a8c0@eagles><003301c4f461$42db7460$0201a8c0@private.network><006201c4f46a$12fc6ca0$6401a8c0@eagles><005f01c4f474$1a22f9e0$0201a8c0@private.network> <008201c4f48b$725f0d80$6401a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:10:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear J, LF Group, Experience with "back garden" wire antennas considerably smaller than yours yields loss resistance of typically several 10s of ohms. Allthough it is rather unpredictable, Rloss tends to get smaller as the size of the antenna increases, so guessing at 15 - 30 ohms Rloss should not be too far out. With Rrad around 0.2ohms, this would give efficiency of the order of 1%, which is certainly rather good for an amateur LF antenna. The amount of TX power you need depends on how the 1W effective radiated power is defined in your licence - assuming 1% efficiency, 1W EMRP (relative to a monopole reference antenna) would require 100W, 1W ERP (half-wave dipole reference antenna) requires 55W, or 1W EIRP (isotropic reference antenna) about 33W. So a TX giving a couple of hundred watts should have ample reserves of power. I estimate you would need a total loading inductance around 1mH. It is fairly easy to get a Q of around 200 with quite ordinary, physically large coils, resulting in additional loss resistance of around 4ohms, which will increase the TX power requirement by about 20%. The required antenna current would need to be no more than a few amps, leading to an antenna voltage of only a few kV, which should not cause breakdown problems. I don't think having seperate loading coils for each top wire would bring any advantage - since the loading coil effectively cancels the reactance of the antenna, quite small errors in value of L would lead to a large imbalance in the current between the two top loading wires, which is not desirable. Just connecting both wires together and using a single loading coil would ensure an even division of current and be easier to set up. Using a single downlead would also reduce unwanted capacitance to the mast. It might be easier to have downleads connected to the Vee wires several metres away from the mast connected to a loading coil near ground level - this would cause a minor reduction in effective height, but would be mechanically much easier. As far as matching goes, adding a "fine tuning" coil as you suggest enables tuning the reactance to exactly zero, and then a small ferrite-cored transformer can be used to match the antenna resistance to the PA output. Since this matching network effectively has only one reactive component, it should result in the lowest losses. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: LF: Antenna plans de J. > Scott, > > The main 137 antenna will be an inverted-L with two, 392 foot long #10 > copper clad horizontal wires fanning out from the tower in a V. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34545 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 13:20:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 13:20:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cncyy-000Mo9-Lo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:19:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cncyy-000Mo6-JA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:19:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnczK-000B2y-Ta for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:20:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cncz1-0004OQ-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:19:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cncz1-0004OH-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:19:51 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cncyz-0000YD-2B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:19:51 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.153.54 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 13:19:41 -0000 Message-ID: <039901c4f64d$9a815b60$36998351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1682648606.20050109094135@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:17:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.138 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: TA 8/9th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Joe, LF Group, Quite good copy of your QRSS10 signal between about 0400 and 0800, in spite of leaving SpecLab set for QRSS30, which made it rather blurred. Strangely, none of the other stateside stations were visible. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2678 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 15:28:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cneym-000Js8-8G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:27:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cneym-000Jrz-2c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:27:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cnez7-0001F4-Kl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:28:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnew2-0004cH-Cf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:24:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnevx-0004c7-UZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:24:49 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnevu-00016O-Jh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:24:49 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CnevZ-0006d2-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:24:25 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e1ef.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.225.239] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CnevZ-0006Oo-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:24:25 +0100 Message-ID: <41E14CB5.5010609@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:24:37 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Sunday activity reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Greetings all, Thanks for all reception reports for DF0WD (direct, or via reflector). I actually got more reports from SWLs ("LWL's") through the internet than replies on the band - maybe the mix of digital modes was a bit too much for one afternoon (though I tried normal CW as well). Worked DK6NI in CW, DL3ZID in Jason and PSK08, saw OK2BVG and others calling in QRSS, missed S52AB again, and spent some time thinking about how to build my next LF transmitter (which may use a phasing exciter driven by quadrature outputs from at least *two* different programs out there) . No more details yet to avoid hijacking the subject ;-) 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2121 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 16:31:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 16:31:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnfyU-0007Hm-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:31:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnfyU-0007Hi-A5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:31:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cnfyo-000PKI-Q0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:31:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnfvs-0004lX-UI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:28:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnfvs-0004lO-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:28:48 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnfvp-0001Ff-VP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:28:48 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7827F for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:28:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.128] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:28:34 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg128.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID137JaiqCI1379X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.154.52] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 186JaiqCf0208M28; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:28:31 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.154.52 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E15BB9.8010503@usa.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:28:41 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID186JaiqCf0208X28 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: SPFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Alex, I would not be so sure it is a joke only.... It was found on the official site of the CFA antenna, with the Imprimatur of Dr. Kabbary, the "inventor" of the Crossed Field Antenna. And in those pages they have a strong marketing pitch, which is not the ideal environment for a joke... 73 Alberto I2PHD ---------------------------------- Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: >Dear Alberto, > >I think this is a joke only: >[... > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74249 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 16:51:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 16:51:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CngHE-000ByA-40 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:50:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CngHD-000Bxs-DY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CngHm-0007Bp-5F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:51:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CngGr-0004qT-Ub for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:50:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CngGr-0004qK-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:50:29 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CngGm-0001IV-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 16:50:29 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-051.fen-net.de [212.204.116.51]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j09GmHKG016597 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:48:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001001c4f66c$238a8d00$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:56:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG on 440.044KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear All,
        meanwhile I got reports from RA, EA, LA, G, ON, F, DL - up to 1650Km. Why not try to cross the pond? This night I will increase the power from 0.5W ERP to 2W ERP. So I ask the friends in Canada and USA for observing 440,044KHz in QRSS10.
Information will be
1. Start-ID in regular CW         DI2AG JN59NO 2W QRSS10
2. QRSS10                            DI2AG
3. No stop-ID, little pause, again start.
Beginning at 22UTC, end at 5AM UTC (10.1.) or equipment goes on strike.
So I hope for mailbox-overflow ( DI2AG@fen-net.de ) tomorrow morning due to all reports ;-)
 
73    Walter DJ2LF
 
 
 
  
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60145 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 17:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 17:28:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CngrV-000KBO-LF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:28:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CngrV-000KBK-HT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:28:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cngrq-0006tW-BB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:28:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CngqR-0004xY-Ld for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:27:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CngqR-0004xP-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:27:15 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CngqO-0001PK-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:27:15 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CngqJ-0004fM-07; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 18:27:07 +0100 Received: from (XjxOyqZCgeV9d8LakJ--NMiREtnyDzfAP9MzYgpmwtymrhYppbsdUo@[217.251.188.54]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CngqF-1l8DPk0; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:27:03 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E14CB5.5010609@freenet.de> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:27:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1CngqF-1l8DPk0@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: XjxOyqZCgeV9d8LakJ--NMiREtnyDzfAP9MzYgpmwtymrhYppbsdUo X-TOI-MSGID: 5add7003-17c9-4e81-848b-58541a8164f1 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492 Subject: Re: LF: Sunday activity reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf DL4YHF schrieb: > Greetings all, > > Thanks for all reception reports for DF0WD (direct, or via reflector). I > actually got more reports from SWLs ("LWL's") through the internet than > replies on the band - maybe the mix of digital modes was a bit too much > for one afternoon (though I tried normal CW as well). > Worked DK6NI in CW, DL3ZID in Jason and PSK08, saw OK2BVG and others > calling in QRSS, missed S52AB again, and spent some time thinking about > how to build my next LF transmitter (which may use a phasing exciter > driven by quadrature outputs from at least *two* different programs out > there) . No more details yet to avoid hijacking the subject ;-) > > 73, Wolf DL4YHF . > > Hi Wolf, an other report: here in JO43SV 100% readings of all modes transmitted by DF0WD. strange: Eberhard/DL3ZID was vy strong too but I couldnt decode any single letter of his transmissions some 5Hz off the QRG. (I admit I only cld monitor abt 10mins). regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19692 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 17:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 17:59:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnhLQ-0001zn-7O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:59:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnhLQ-0001zk-4b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:59:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnhLy-0005lT-Hd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:59:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnhJp-00053W-K5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:57:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnhJp-00053N-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:57:37 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnhJm-0001VS-NS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:57:37 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.197.35d22bd8 (3924) for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:57:22 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <197.35d22bd8.2f12ca82@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:57:22 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5036 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.208 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Are we in January or April ? 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In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:19:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, dibene@usa.net writes:
And technical writers that cannot even correctly spell Tera (10^12) aren't
worth of any respect...
Can we be sure they meant 'tera'?  Perhaps they literally mean Terra watts.  Perhaps most of that Amazing Feedback Power must be dissipated in Mother Earth?
 
After all, if it is "much more powerful (with zero input power) than any other types of the future superpower projects," then it would surely be too dangerous to attach any transmitter with greater than zero power, and unleash all that energy into the open air.
 
Of course, there are also risks of dissipating the excess in the earth.  If burrowing creatures find themselves too warm to hibernate and started roaming the countryside in winter, when their natural foods are not plentiful, it could trigger an ecological crisis.
 
John
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2798 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 19:41:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 19:41:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnivs-000KQq-FO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:41:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnivs-000KQm-9F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:41:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CniwC-000DZN-Aq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:41:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnitR-0005EZ-84 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:38:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnitQ-0005EQ-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:38:28 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnitO-0001mK-7c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:38:28 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnit3-0005by-O6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:38:05 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e1ef.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.225.239] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cnit3-0005c7-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:38:05 +0100 Message-ID: <41E18816.9000907@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:37:58 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <197.35d22bd8.2f12ca82@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <197.35d22bd8.2f12ca82@aol.com> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Are we in January or April ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) CFA = Certainly Fake Antenna , Completely Foolish Apparatus, .... Unfortunately still many believers out there, just 'googled' for it - heavens, noooo ! 73, Wolf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7036 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 21:23:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 21:23:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnkWn-000NI4-Q8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:23:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnkWn-000NI1-N7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:23:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnkXK-000LnT-Ps for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:23:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnkWR-0005Qk-Dc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:22:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnkWR-0005Qb-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:22:51 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnkWO-00022n-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:22:51 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CnkWL-0000OU-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:22:45 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e1ef.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.225.239] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CnkWL-0000TC-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:22:45 +0100 Message-ID: <41E1A0B3.9090201@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:22:59 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: YU7AR big signal at the moment... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ... on 137.776 kHz. Very strong with my "home"-rx-equipment. US fellows please take a look ! Or, look at http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/Grabber.htm - but I promise I heard him with a TS850 ;-) 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19021 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 21:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 21:23:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnkWr-000NIN-Mo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:23:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnkWr-000NIJ-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:23:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnkXO-0007WA-7L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:23:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnkUr-0005QX-5z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:21:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnkUo-0005QO-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:21:10 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnkUl-00022a-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:21:10 +0000 Received: from CPHL040 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF6762940134; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 22:17:27 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01c4f691$2908a620$1300a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:21:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: YU7AR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040902030304030306000209" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040902030304030306000209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
I recive YU7AR very strong her at JO65BP at 137,776 Khz with the side of my reciving loop UTC 21:20
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Walter
 
I've put my secondary grabber onto your frequency to give some correlation for anyone looking stateside.
It's using the drifty old IC735 so don't take too much notice of the calibration!
Very good signal here of course.
 

BTW, is that YU7AR on the T/A grabber at 137.776? It's too loud to read...
 
73
 
Dave G3YXM
 
 
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Walter Staubach
Sent: 09 January 2005 16:56
To: RSGB LF
Subject: LF: DI2AG on 440.044KHz

Dear All,
        meanwhile I got reports from RA, EA, LA, G, ON, F, DL - up to 1650Km. Why not try to cross the pond? This night I will increase the power from 0.5W ERP to 2W ERP. So I ask the friends in Canada and USA for observing 440,044KHz in QRSS10.
Information will be
1. Start-ID in regular CW         DI2AG JN59NO 2W QRSS10
2. QRSS10                            DI2AG
3. No stop-ID, little pause, again start.
Beginning at 22UTC, end at 5AM UTC (10.1.) or equipment goes on strike.
So I hope for mailbox-overflow ( DI2AG@fen-net.de ) tomorrow morning due to all reports ;-)
 
73    Walter DJ2LF
 
 
 
  
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61887 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 00:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 00:41:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnnc8-000AsW-Rh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:40:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnnc8-000AsR-Jl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:40:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cnnce-0004Jr-76 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:41:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnna0-0005tO-FS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:38:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnnZz-0005tF-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:38:43 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnnZw-0002Zp-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:38:43 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IA200ASMSGCK910@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0A0canV017832 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:38:36 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16335-15-2 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:38:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0A0bcRn017603 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:37:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:37:36 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <007801c4f6ac$9538ec40$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <12c.54d56369.2f12680d@aol.com> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alex, Jim, Markus, and LF, The reason for setting my calculations in front of all, is that I am new to LF and want the station to have early success, rather than being a set of mistakes and recoveries. You might be surprised, but although I am a 4th dan black belt and head of TaeKwon-Do Yukon, I am not a fighter, and have a tendency to give up on things which I have made a solid attempt at and find repeated failures. The reason for using the complicated antenna structure as I describe it is that it is already standing... It is a large HF/MF V-beam with ~120 meter legs up ~20 meters, with ~55 degree included angle. The antenna is fed with 75 Ohm hard line which was in with a number of damaged tower sections which I earned by cleaning up a commercial broadcasting station construction site. The towers had been taken down by persons unknown who cut the guy lines and let the towers fall! I use this antenna on 160-2 meters and it functions quite well with an antenna tuner. It is the receive antenna which I am now using on LF and although it is a sort of "short dipole"on LF, it works very well. The area of the antenna for several KM in all directions is poor sandy soil. I have on site approximately 20 km of ~#10 copper-clad high-tensile steel wire, which was used for overhead telephone wires for many years. This can be buried for radials or more wires run up high to increase top capacitance. How big does the elevated counterpoise need to be at LF to be effective? With the wire I have available, I could make a fairly large one in terms of feet, but it would still be small in terms of wavelength. It may be easier to put a loading inductor out at the tower end of each insulator, and add LF to the antenna use, than to build a new antenna system. As to the typo.. It is not critical now that I know about it and can make allowance for it... When the loading coils are in and measurements can be take of the LF antenna as a system, I will again send calculations to the LF reflector to make sure that I am not running more power than I should be. I prefer to have someone look at my work. These are my limitations: Technical Operation Data: -A transmitter will be used between the frequencies of 135.7 and 137.8kHz, in the 2200 metre band. -Emissions outside of this frequency range will be suppressed by a minimum of 30db from the fundamental signal. -Bandwidth of the transmitted signal will be limited to 100Hz or less. -Radiated power will not exceed 1 watt ERP. -The transmitter will be operated with care not to interfere with authorized users. Authorization for experimental transmissions will be on a secondary user basis. I am aware of Canadian military operations in this frequency range and will avoid transmitting on their frequencies. Any requests from primary users to cease transmission or to change frequency will be immediately complied with. I did not think to set 1W ERP relative to anything... I do not know what Industry Canada normally measures it to, and will need advice from experienced Canadian LF ops like Steve or Scott on the normal comparison for ERP. Alex, Thank you for your continuing help. I am retired and live on a fixed, small income. Litz (sp?) wire in not being considered. I have friends at the local power company who are watching for a "pole pig" or other transformer with a burned primary winding and good secondary, which I can acquire at the value of the scrap copper within it. I plan to disassemble it for the flat secondary copper strap winding, which is usually well insulated with a material that looks like varnish. I have been given three pieces of 13 inch X 36 inch long PVC pipe, which I was going to use for loading coil forms (formers), but have been told that they are lossy and I should use something else. At this point I am still planning to disassemble the transformer, but I do not know whether to use the PVC and accept the loss from it or to use another type of coil form. I have about 20 pieces of 5/16 inch X 60 inch fiberglass rods which I can use to make a form if needed. I can move the V wire insulators out from the tower by a couple meters if it will help. I have found this LF group to be friendly and supportive, and believe that my chances of success are very likely to be a reflection of your direction. I appreciate the humor of the group as well. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95482 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 01:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 01:04:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnnyc-0004Ut-QC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:04:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnnyc-0004Uj-Dt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:04:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cnnyu-000FD4-CZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:04:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnnxf-00060L-PG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:03:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnnxf-00060C-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:03:11 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnnxd-0002eB-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:03:11 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050110010245.XMPP10557.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:02:45 -0700 Message-ID: <02c401c4f6b0$3e2e1160$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12c.54d56369.2f12680d@aol.com> <007801c4f6ac$9538ec40$6401a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:03:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) J. Canada's position for WRC-2007 is to allow amatuers 1W EIRP. If you used that as your 'reference' then you shouldn't go wrong. I asked for 1W EIRP to keep my experiment in line with the work that is going on to get the band approved. 73 Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: LF: Antenna plans de J. > Alex, Jim, Markus, and LF, > > The reason for setting my calculations in front of all, is that I am new to > LF and want the station to have early success, rather than being a set of > mistakes and recoveries. You might be surprised, but although I am a 4th > dan black belt and head of TaeKwon-Do Yukon, I am not a fighter, and have a > tendency to give up on things which I have made a solid attempt at and find > repeated failures. > > The reason for using the complicated antenna structure as I describe it is > that it is already standing... It is a large HF/MF V-beam with ~120 meter > legs up ~20 meters, with ~55 degree included angle. The antenna is fed > with 75 Ohm hard line which was in with a number of damaged tower sections > which I earned by cleaning up a commercial broadcasting station construction > site. The towers had been taken down by persons unknown who cut the guy > lines and let the towers fall! I use this antenna on 160-2 meters and it > functions quite well with an antenna tuner. It is the receive antenna which > I am now using on LF and although it is a sort of "short dipole"on LF, it > works very well. > > The area of the antenna for several KM in all directions is poor sandy soil. > > I have on site approximately 20 km of ~#10 copper-clad high-tensile steel > wire, which was used for overhead telephone wires for many years. This can > be buried for radials or more wires run up high to increase top capacitance. > How big does the elevated counterpoise need to be at LF to be effective? > With the wire I have available, I could make a fairly large one in terms of > feet, but it would still be small in terms of wavelength. > > It may be easier to put a loading inductor out at the tower end of each > insulator, and add LF to the antenna use, than to build a new antenna > system. > > As to the typo.. It is not critical now that I know about it and can make > allowance for it... When the loading coils are in and measurements can be > take of the LF antenna as a system, I will again send calculations to the LF > reflector to make sure that I am not running more power than I should be. I > prefer to have someone look at my work. These are my limitations: > > Technical Operation Data: > -A transmitter will be used between the frequencies of 135.7 and 137.8kHz, > in the 2200 metre band. > > -Emissions outside of this frequency range will be suppressed by a minimum > of 30db from the fundamental signal. > > -Bandwidth of the transmitted signal will be limited to 100Hz or less. > > -Radiated power will not exceed 1 watt ERP. > > -The transmitter will be operated with care not to interfere with authorized > users. Authorization for experimental transmissions will be on a secondary > user basis. I am aware of Canadian military operations in this frequency > range and will avoid transmitting on their frequencies. Any requests from > primary users to cease transmission or to change frequency will be > immediately complied with. > > > I did not think to set 1W ERP relative to anything... I do not know what > Industry Canada normally measures it to, and will need advice from > experienced Canadian LF ops like Steve or Scott on the normal comparison for > ERP. > > Alex, Thank you for your continuing help. I am retired and live on a > fixed, small income. Litz (sp?) wire in not being considered. I have > friends at the local power company who are watching for a "pole pig" or > other transformer with a burned primary winding and good secondary, which I > can acquire at the value of the scrap copper within it. I plan to > disassemble it for the flat secondary copper strap winding, which is usually > well insulated with a material that looks like varnish. I have been given > three pieces of 13 inch X 36 inch long PVC pipe, which I was going to use > for loading coil forms (formers), but have been told that they are lossy and > I should use something else. At this point I am still planning to > disassemble the transformer, but I do not know whether to use the PVC and > accept the loss from it or to use another type of coil form. > > I have about 20 pieces of 5/16 inch X 60 inch fiberglass rods which I can > use to make a form if needed. > > I can move the V wire insulators out from the tower by a couple meters if it > will help. > > I have found this LF group to be friendly and supportive, and believe that > my chances of success are very likely to be a reflection of your direction. > > I appreciate the humor of the group as well. > > J. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41694 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 01:33:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 01:33:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnoQh-000Kef-Kh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:33:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnoQh-000Kec-Hn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:33:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnoRC-000J1D-SI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:33:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnoQ9-00065z-Nc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:32:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnoQ9-00065q-Cb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:32:37 +0000 Received: from ham2.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.16.179]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnoQ7-0002iF-0m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:32:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF67932D3 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:32:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from ham2.cc.fer.hr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ham2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13655-09 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:32:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from 9a0tcp.ampr.org (ham1.cc.fer.hr [161.53.16.178]) by ham2.cc.fer.hr (Postfix) with SMTP id 76771932CF for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:32:26 +0100 (CET) X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Mon, 10 Jan 05 02:19:29 +0100 Message-Id: <42946_9A0TCP@hamradio> From: dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-phx (Debian) at ham2.cc.fer.hr X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 161.53.16.179 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of 9a0tcp.ampr.org X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: re: DI2AG X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi, still nothing here (JO41xn), which is only few 100s kms away. I want to ask, if anyone else did copy a data (maybe PSK) station on 441.x kHz too, or this one is a ghost signal made by my TS-50. On 440 I only could copy the NDB beacons DRE (Poland) and PIA (Italy), bith strong, DRE as the strongest. Up/Down a bit I could copy PE & B from Slovakia and CK from Czech Rep. As I have now about 600 different NDB beacons logged the last months my RX system (TS-50 and DX-88 vertical...hi) is not the worst'est, not really good but not too bad either...hi Logged NDBs from OX to Russia, North Norway to Northern Africa, including Cape Verde and CU/CT3. But til now absolutly nothing from DI2AG. Copied some german and swedish stations on 136 kHz the last weeks, which might be the same power range (and antenna?) as DI2AG. I still have some hope to catch DI2AG, and to get my first DI QSL ;-) But the 440 spot is not the best choise, 460-465 would be much better, as there are nearly no active NDBs logged by (at least) european NDB DXer, OK not much, but 440 is crowded ;-) 73, Tom - DL8AAM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68353 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 06:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 06:01:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnsc2-0002pd-QW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:01:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnsc2-0002pa-MG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:01:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnscI-000Ixi-Vq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:01:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnsYy-0006Xw-EC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:58:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnsYx-0006Xn-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:57:59 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnsYu-0003Mf-I4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 05:57:59 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CnsYm-0002SH-00; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:57:48 +0100 Received: from HW1 (XNqSYsZdQeClUAO+JpWgn-KTA8o1Xid-8oBkTM2Lk-iqJN9P0YvP8q@[80.144.125.198]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CnsYX-0gPvkW0; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:57:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:57:37 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <57225805.20050110065737@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: XNqSYsZdQeClUAO+JpWgn-KTA8o1Xid-8oBkTM2Lk-iqJN9P0YvP8q X-TOI-MSGID: b265d06a-00f2-43c7-a8aa-8c384115d549 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: 137777 9/10th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Added some screenshots from VO1NA and YU7AR side by side to my website: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2154 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 08:58:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 08:58:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnvNi-000E37-1k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:58:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnvNg-000E2j-JY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:58:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CnvNv-000EbM-Kv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:58:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnvLD-0006nX-I7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:55:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnvLC-0006nO-WA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:55:58 +0000 Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([195.37.42.5]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnvLA-0003xp-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:55:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id EE72E2130C8 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:55:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rzlsrv1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25665-09 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:55:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.30]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id F31DD212FC4 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:55:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41E24309.1030500@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:55:37 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6lpin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; de-DE; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030619 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: de-de, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fh-amberg-weiden.de X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.37.42.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fh-amberg-weiden.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: DI2AG QRO-Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello group, hello Walter, during the QRO test last night the signal of DI2AG increased about 9.1 dB here, giving the following field strength values: QRP 2005-01-09 2108 UTC 55 uV/m QRO 2005-01-09 2356 UTC 157 uV/m QRP 2005-01-10 0623 UTC 55 uV/m The QRP values were about 2.1 dB lower than during the first days of transmission (70 uV/m). Distance between DI2AG and DK1IS is about 52 km. 73, Tom, DK1IS JN59WK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99710 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 09:35:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 09:35:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnvwj-000MWe-UU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:34:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cnvwj-000MWb-Nc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:34:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cnvwy-000F3H-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:35:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnvvu-0006ui-SY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnvvu-0006uZ-Dr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from smtp-out2.email.it ([80.247.70.7]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnvvs-00046t-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:33:54 +0000 Received: by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it, from userid 101) id DF1161BC4D7; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:33:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from 1.118.222.41 (81-208-36-89.fastres.net [81.208.36.89])by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it) with ESMTP id 818411BC4D7for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:33:42 +0100 (CET) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:40:25 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <01C4F49A.B747BF50.actalbot@southsurf.com> <41E00AFD.1825.57FF50@localhost> In-Reply-To: <41E00AFD.1825.57FF50@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501101040.25745.smtp01@email.it> X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.email.it/ita/privacy.html X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.247.70.7 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of email.it X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Has the world gone mad - completely and utterly off topic, but good for the new year Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On Saturday 08 January 2005 17:31, Mike Dennison wrote: > > Funny, 30 years ago I used to base my opinion of newly-graduated > > electronics students on whether they knew which end of a > > soldering iron to pick up. > > G3PAI > > Ah, but have you ever dropped a soldering iron and > instinctively grabbed it as it fell? I doubt if I am the only > person to have been burnt in this way. No, you aren't alone. But I'm grabbed the soldering iron with _two hands_! Claudio, ik2pii -- Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Videogiochi PS2 XBOX GCUBE GBA a prezzi pazzeschi! Provare per credere! * Risparmia fino a 10 euro su ogni gioco, spedizione in 24h a casa tua! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2459&d=10-1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82934 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 10:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 10:42:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnwzS-0007Ka-49 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:41:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnwzS-0007KX-1Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:41:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cnwzt-0000DK-HA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:42:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnwx8-00074E-Cz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:39:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cnwx7-000745-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:39:13 +0000 Received: from smtp-out2.email.it ([80.247.70.7]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnwx5-0004Jq-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:39:13 +0000 Received: by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it, from userid 101) id 2FB891BC779; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:39:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from 1.118.222.41 (81-208-36-89.fastres.net [81.208.36.89])by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it) with ESMTP id A1E801BC766for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:39:04 +0100 (CET) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:45:45 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501101145.45777.smtp01@email.it> X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.email.it/ita/privacy.html X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.247.70.7 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of email.it X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On Saturday 08 January 2005 17:48, Joe Craig wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Getting back to the FT-817, is it possible to > modify the front end or first mixer so that > a preamp would be unnecessary? Many RTX uses inexpensive diodes in the front-end design, for bandpass filter and preamp and attenuator switching. Also if they used more expensive PIN diodes those devices are not the best switching devices for LF. A 100 kHz PIN diode switching devices require a minority carrier lifetime of few ten's of microseconds. If the life time is shorter the diodes acts as a rectifier, not as a switch. I don't know many PIN diodes useful in LF band. So I think that the problem is not in the mixer but in band switching devices. 73 de Claudio, ik2pii -- Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Migliaia di manuali e guide scaricabili su: Office, Webmaster, Internet, Windows e non solo...clicca qui Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2731&d=10-1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66855 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 12:12:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 12:12:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnyPD-000ByE-5M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:12:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 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<41E270C5.1040106@online.debryansk.ru> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:10:45 +0300 From: Dmitry RA3YO User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c4f66c$238a8d00$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.33.234.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of online.debryansk.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG on 440.044KHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030506070909050602050003" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: 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doesn't add more attenuation than a fraction of dB. so I really doubt the statement, the only real problem is possible intermodulation 73 Jan-Martin, LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]På vegne av Claudio Pozzi Sendt: 10. januar 2005 11:46 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF On Saturday 08 January 2005 17:48, Joe Craig wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Getting back to the FT-817, is it possible to > modify the front end or first mixer so that > a preamp would be unnecessary? Many RTX uses inexpensive diodes in the front-end design, for bandpass filter and preamp and attenuator switching. Also if they used more expensive PIN diodes those devices are not the best switching devices for LF. A 100 kHz PIN diode switching devices require a minority carrier lifetime of few ten's of microseconds. If the life time is shorter the diodes acts as a rectifier, not as a switch. I don't know many PIN diodes useful in LF band. So I think that the problem is not in the mixer but in band switching devices. 73 de Claudio, ik2pii -- Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Migliaia di manuali e guide scaricabili su: Office, Webmaster, Internet, Windows e non solo...clicca qui Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2731&d=10-1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70012 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 14:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 14:08:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0DA-000Fnh-2f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:08:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0D7-000Fmu-QD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:07:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Co0DX-000J2N-Pw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:08:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0C0-0007XX-Ev for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:06:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0C0-0007XO-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:06:48 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co0Bx-00051U-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:06:48 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-053.fen-net.de [212.204.116.53]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0AE4Zid001792 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:04:36 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <009b01c4f71e$7256fec0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:28:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j0AE4Zid001792 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG QRO-Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Tom, thanks for your report. The 9.1dB might be exactly. The antenna current increased from 0.9 to 2.5A, gives 8.87dB. There is still a little more power in reserve, up to 3A. ON6RR also reported a lower fieldstrength now compared with the beginning at new year. When I began the QRO-transmitting last night the output voltage was 80V with 2.5A, after 2hrs transmitting only 60V with 2.5A. ?? The amplifier is commercial broadband up to 150MHz with 200W out, very linear. I did not yet measure the power consumption, but it seems to be rather high. Although the heating is switched down in the night, the shack was cosy warm in the morning ;-) 73 Walter -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Thomas Kölpin An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Montag, 10. Januar 2005 09:57 Betreff: LF: DI2AG QRO-Test >Hello group, hello Walter, > >during the QRO test last night the signal of DI2AG increased about 9.1 >dB here, giving the following field strength values: > >QRP 2005-01-09 2108 UTC 55 uV/m >QRO 2005-01-09 2356 UTC 157 uV/m >QRP 2005-01-10 0623 UTC 55 uV/m > >The QRP values were about 2.1 dB lower than during the first days of >transmission (70 uV/m). >Distance between DI2AG and DK1IS is about 52 km. > >73, >Tom, DK1IS >JN59WK > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70037 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 14:08:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 14:08:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0DP-000GV7-Nb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:08:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0DN-000GUS-Ip for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:08:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co0DZ-000CCX-Nk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:08:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0Am-0007XK-1w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:05:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0Al-0007XB-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:05:31 +0000 Received: from postfix3-2.free.fr ([213.228.0.169]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co0Ai-000518-Nd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:05:31 +0000 Received: from pc1 (lns-p19-5-idf-82-65-37-180.adsl.proxad.net [82.65.37.180]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 375CAC1E8 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:05:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <010b01c4f71d$74cd4b60$0100a8c0@pc1> From: "F1AGW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:05:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.228.0.169 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of free.fr X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.222,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI1AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080809080704060908010006" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_06, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080809080704060908010006 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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06/01/2005 good capture of DI2AG at 23:30 UTC
 
 
 
 
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with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0bU-000NZv-S7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:33:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0bU-000NZj-GE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:33:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Co0bh-000GQM-Je for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:33:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0aY-0007hG-4D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:32:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0aX-0007h7-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:32:09 +0000 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co0aV-00057N-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:32:09 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.7]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA20973 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:33:08 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:31:41 -0000 Message-ID: <01C4F721.19B091C0.actalbot@southsurf.com> From: Andy To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:31:38 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: UKNWN(UK) X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.80.0.234 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.093 Subject: RE: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Many receivers probably have a high pass filter to reduce strong broadcast signals below 1.6MHz Andy G4JNT On Monday, January 10, 2005 12:23 PM, jan-martin.noding@telenor.com [SMTP:jan-martin.noding@telenor.com] wrote: > Even 1N4148 doesn't add more attenuation than a fraction of dB. so I really > doubt the statement, the only real problem is possible intermodulation > > 73 > Jan-Martin, LA8AK > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]På vegne av Claudio Pozzi > Sendt: 10. januar 2005 11:46 > Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Emne: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF > > > On Saturday 08 January 2005 17:48, Joe Craig wrote: > > Dear LF Group, > > > > Getting back to the FT-817, is it possible to > > modify the front end or first mixer so that > > a preamp would be unnecessary? > > Many RTX uses inexpensive diodes in the front-end design, for bandpass > filter and preamp and attenuator switching. > > Also if they used more expensive PIN diodes those devices are not the > best switching devices for LF. A 100 kHz PIN diode switching devices > require a minority carrier lifetime of few ten's of microseconds. If > the life time is shorter the diodes acts as a rectifier, not as a > switch. I don't know many PIN diodes useful in LF band. > > So I think that the problem is not in the mixer but in band switching > devices. > > 73 de Claudio, ik2pii > > -- > Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii > > > > > > > > -- > > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > > > Sponsor: > > Migliaia di manuali e guide scaricabili su: Office, Webmaster, Internet, > Windows e non solo...clicca qui > > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2731&d=10-1 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93260 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 14:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 14:36:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0e7-000OgF-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:35:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0e5-000OfZ-DF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:35:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co0eV-0000WT-C9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:36:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0eL-0007ki-06 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:36:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0eK-0007kZ-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:36:04 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co0eH-00058l-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:36:04 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-053.fen-net.de [212.204.116.53]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0AEXpaJ008476 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:33:53 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00e801c4f722$8a0ef000$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:20:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j0AEXpaJ008476 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,URIBL_SBL=0.629 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG on 440.044KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Thanks again, Dmitry, for capture. Strong signal. Last night I had about 3W ERP ( anounced 2W, but was more ). 73 Walter -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Dmitry RA3YO An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Montag, 10. Januar 2005 13:11 Betreff: Re: LF: DI2AG on 440.044KHz > > >Dear Walter, > >I copy DI2AG all night with QSB > >Dmitry > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17093 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 14:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 14:44:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0lc-0001kp-6s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:43:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co0la-0001jb-54 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:43:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co0lz-000CIs-NY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:43:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co0ko-0007q1-Aa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) So there might probably not be any problems at all... 73, Jan-Martin LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]På vegne av Andy Sendt: 10. januar 2005 15:32 Many receivers probably have a high pass filter to reduce strong broadcast signals below 1.6MHz Andy G4JNT On Monday, January 10, 2005 12:23 PM, LA8AK wrote: > Even 1N4148 doesn't add more attenuation than a fraction of dB. so I really > doubt the statement, the only real problem is possible intermodulation > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Many RTX uses inexpensive diodes in the front-end design, for bandpass > filter and preamp and attenuator switching. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16243 invoked from network); 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Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:14:10 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co1F9-0005Gt-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:14:10 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.53.133 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 15:13:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f727$00356120$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200501101145.45777.smtp01@email.it> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:17:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.138 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Claudio, I am a little confused. It is true that the minority carrier lifetime is short compared with the LF waveform period but surely this only really has any effect if you are trying to use the PIN diodes as attenuators. If you use them as switches and pass a few milliamps in the forward direct it is not relevant. This probably explains why our experiments on replacing the "ordinary" diodes with PINs in HF receivers (FRG7700) with octave front end filters have been unsuccessful. Some small switching or "signal" diodes worked better in terms of IMD that the PINs. It is possible the reverse attenuation of signal diodes will not be as good because their stray capacitance is usually higher, but if they are reverse biassed to separate the depletion layers they work very well.....and two can be connected in series to reduce the capacity. The cut off the high pass filter in many cases is the main culprit as there are I believe no LW BC stations in Japan or the far East. Increasing the series capacitors can lower the cut-off but this may not be as easy with modern SMD construction as it was with through board components in the FRG7700 and R1000 era. I find a lot of this equipment also has a 20dB extra attenuation switched in below 2MHz, usually on the AGC line. (I cannot say about the 817 on this score) Any modification of these radios to improve LF reception will require an external LP or BP filter to keep out strong BC signals. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claudio Pozzi" To: Sent: 10 January 2005 10:45 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF > Many RTX uses inexpensive diodes in the front-end design, for bandpass > filter and preamp and attenuator switching. > > Also if they used more expensive PIN diodes those devices are not the > best switching devices for LF. A 100 kHz PIN diode switching devices > require a minority carrier lifetime of few ten's of microseconds. If > the life time is shorter the diodes acts as a rectifier, not as a > switch. I don't know many PIN diodes useful in LF band. > > So I think that the problem is not in the mixer but in band switching > devices. > > 73 de Claudio, ik2pii > > -- > Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii > > > > > > > > -- > > Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f > > > > Sponsor: > > Migliaia di manuali e guide scaricabili su: Office, Webmaster, Internet, Windows e non solo...clicca qui > > Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2731&d=10-1 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40996 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 16:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 16:35:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co2VN-0005Kn-LS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:35:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co2VM-0005KO-Ko for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:34:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co2VZ-000MVY-0X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:35:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co2SP-00089p-0R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co2SM-00089g-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:50 +0000 Received: from h34.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.84] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co2SK-0005eP-7i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:50 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.15) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.6) id 41C8D7BF00202C52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:31:31 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c4f72c$fd5d7a40$0fe4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:53:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: acty Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
YU2AR was active last night on FSK 137.7 khz, a couple of nights ago S52AB also active and a HA stn. All good copy here on QRS.
160 metres good at present VK3IO and 9V1GO active most evenings on CW
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96033 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 17:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 17:13:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co36E-000FLp-AR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:13:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co36D-000FLf-NS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:13:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Co36P-000LM1-SF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:13:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co34w-0008JI-Jv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:11:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co34v-0008J9-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:11:41 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co34s-0005sL-OJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:11:41 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Co2p0-0003Nu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:55:14 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Co2oz-0006j4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:55:13 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:55:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f735$272eea90$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c4f727$00356120$6507a8c0@Main> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: RE: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF Group, I think Jan-Martin is right about the PIN diode losses - at LF they will just work as "ordinary" diodes which won't greatly affect their loss - although they will lose their advantages in terms of linearity and ability to handle an RF signal larger than the bias current, so might cause more intermodulation. However, there is the effect of the diode biasing chokes and DC blocking capacitors - these are usually quite small (100uH, 10s of nF), so not really big enough for LF, especially when the signal has to pass through a number of these before reaching the mixer. The mixer itself is also a problem, since it usually has an impedance step-up/unbalanced-balanced transformer at the input, which is only a few turns of wire on a small ferrite core - this will have too little inductance for LF, making the input impedance of the mixer very low and generally compounding the other problems. I'm sure some people have described mods where this transformer is changed to improve LF performance, but I can't think who at the moment. A lot of RXs seem to use a combination of low-pass filter and attenuator for LF/MF reception, presumably to prevent the thing being hopelessly overloaded by MF broadcast stations when a long wire is attached, but not helpful if you are trying to receive weak LF signals. I have also noticed that the internal noise floor tends to increase at LF - I think this might be due to noise sidebands of the synthesiser leaking through the mixer and getting into the 1st IF, since the LO frequency is very close to the IF frequency when receiving a low frequency (the RA1772 actually has a crystal notch filter on the synthesiser output for this reason). It isn't hard to make an RX front end with good performance at LF as well as HF, but the designers of amateur rigs haven't actually tried to do that - they have produced a circuit designed primarily for HF, and LF reception is just tacked on as an afterthought. However, since this isn't their main objective, I suppose one should not expect too much! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37216 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 17:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 17:40:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co3WS-000Lrr-AL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:40:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co3WQ-000LrT-MB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:40:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co3Wc-0006v6-NB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:40:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co3Tp-0008PP-5i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:37:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co3Tm-0008PG-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:37:22 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co3Ti-00060Z-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:37:22 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E6A11F for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:36:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:36:57 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID348JaJRK71903X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.132.134] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 093JaJRK50072M38; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:36:56 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.132.134 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E2BD35.2010105@usa.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 18:36:53 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4f735$272eea90$e6a4c593@RD40002> In-Reply-To: <000001c4f735$272eea90$e6a4c593@RD40002> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID093JaJRK50072X38 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) james moritz wrote: > I'm sure some people have described mods >where this transformer is changed to improve LF performance, but I can't >think who at the moment. > > http://www.mods.dk/view.php?ArticleId=2711 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83345 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 17:57:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; 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Even Worse Mike !
 
A habit of mine is to park a pencil or similar behind an ear !
 
I can remember an occasion when I absent-mindedly attempted to do the same with a small soldering iron.
 
This painful lesson has defied my usual absent-mindedness now for more than 40 years!
 
Pat g4gvw
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I stil hold to the belief that they are successfully operating antennas that exist in this universe but radiate in another parallel universe. What I have so far failed to understand is why they have not extended their experimental efforts into designs incorporating tribar elements as these would have the credibility of being non-existant in ordinary Euclidean space but might be possible in the sense that consideration only of a small part of the element could give rise to a locally possible cohomology element. After all that we are only left with the problem of working out how to further distort Maxwell's work in order to explain just how we get antennas designed to these new criteria to radiate infinite power when fed with zero energy!
 
Dicken's Scrooge had it in two succinct words; "Bah! Humbug!"
 
73 and a Happy New Year to any I have missed so far.
 
de Pat g4gvw       
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39766 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 19:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 19:22:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co56q-000LIi-T6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:21:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co56q-000LIf-QV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:21:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co572-0003DS-4F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:22:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co55X-0000L2-EF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:20:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co55X-0000Kt-46 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:20:27 +0000 Received: from wnat.pyrotherm.co.yu ([62.108.119.70] helo=ns.pyrotherm.co.yu) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co55T-0006MY-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:20:27 +0000 Received: from yu7ar ([192.168.11.30]) by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id j0AI86408745 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:08:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:20:17 +0100 From: YU7AR X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) Business Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18425528237.20050110202017@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TTSMilter-Version: 1.4 (c)2002-2003 by Peter Bakota, (bakota[at]tippnet.co.yu) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.108.119.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pyrotherm.co.yu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello LF Groups, I transmitting today after 20:00 GMT on 137.776 QRSS30 from KN05BW. -- Best regards, Teo YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83320 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 19:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 19:48:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5W2-00011w-SM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:47:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5W2-00011t-O0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:47:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co5WE-000ES5-0V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:48:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5Ti-0000RD-Go for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:45:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5Ti-0000R4-6i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:45:26 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co5Tc-0006UL-Nd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:45:26 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005011019450901500n8qvfe>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:45:10 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:44:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: <18425528237.20050110202017@pyrotherm.co.yu> Message-Id: <21YA7DB94UFDRPF04W71C0ZUIF4XCA.41e2db30@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Teo, Here in the NE US there are two strong Loran lines at approx. 137.7759 and 137.7761kHz. US Loran lines (tnx. W1TAG) are listed at: http://www.lwca.org/library/reference/ 73, Steve W3EEE 01/10/05 19:20:17, YU7AR wrote: >Hello LF Groups, > >I transmitting today after 20:00 GMT on 137.776 QRSS30 from KN05BW. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36106 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 20:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 20:02:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5jl-0004CI-C4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:02:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5jj-0004Bf-Lx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:01:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co5ju-0002iR-Rr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:02:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5it-0000WE-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:01:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5it-0000W5-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:01:07 +0000 Received: from wnat.pyrotherm.co.yu ([62.108.119.70] helo=ns.pyrotherm.co.yu) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co5iq-0006Y0-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:01:07 +0000 Received: from yu7ar ([192.168.11.30]) by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id j0AImi409596 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:48:44 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:00:55 +0100 From: YU7AR X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.6) Business Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5927966874.20050110210055@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: Steve Dove In-Reply-To: <21YA7DB94UFDRPF04W71C0ZUIF4XCA.41e2db30@Charlie_Drake> References: <18425528237.20050110202017@pyrotherm.co.yu> <21YA7DB94UFDRPF04W71C0ZUIF4XCA.41e2db30@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TTSMilter-Version: 1.4 (c)2002-2003 by Peter Bakota, (bakota[at]tippnet.co.yu) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.108.119.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pyrotherm.co.yu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re[2]: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Steve, Ok I go maybe 137.778 ??? but VO1NA is on 137.777 Teo -- Best regards, YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69273 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 20:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 20:16:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5xa-000HD5-6i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5xZ-000HCv-VA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Co5xx-000HzT-Kw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5we-0000bP-HC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5we-0000bG-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:20 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co5wb-0006bM-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:20 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005011020150401300t35are>; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:05 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:15:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: <5927966874.20050110210055@pyrotherm.co.yu> Message-Id: <4W3VBAXS3X64XR1IG4XA7WRFAB0ZB6.41e2e246@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: Re[2]: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Teo, 778 is I think OK. Yes, VO1NA is on 777, WD2XES on 779. Cheers, Steve >Ok I go maybe 137.778 ??? but VO1NA is on 137.777 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54238 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 20:16:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 20:16:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5xn-0007jO-Fl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co5xm-0007j9-KQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Co5xx-000I1M-NS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5xs-0000bo-Tm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co5xq-0000bf-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:34 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co5xm-0006bm-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:16:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 11198 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 20:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2005 20:16:20 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c4f751$6d59a660$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <18425528237.20050110202017@pyrotherm.co.yu> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:17:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Teo, It is very difficult for some of us in North America to see DX signals near that frequency, as our stations are transmitting there. It would be much better for you to transmit with the other EU stations near 135.922 kHz. John Andrews, W1TAG > I transmitting today after 20:00 GMT on 137.776 QRSS30 from KN05BW. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69958 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 20:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 20:23:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co64S-000928-BF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co64S-000925-87 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co64d-000CAb-8A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co64D-0000jG-J5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co64D-0000j7-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:09 +0000 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co64A-0006eT-G1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:23:09 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.1dc.34185540 (4238) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:22:45 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.34185540.2f143e15@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:22:45 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.5 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: Re[2]: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Teo,

...why not use the lower band end near 135922 ? It was monitored successfully by several stateside stations during East-West TA experiments.

Yesterday night your sig peaked 10µV/m here with pretty colours on the direction finder, probably due to skywave polarisation rotation or multipath.

Good luck
de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 10.01.2005 21:02:31 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu:

Hi Steve,

Ok I go maybe 137.778 ???  but VO1NA is on 137.777


Teo
--
Best regards,
YU7AR               mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu




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(v2.00.6) Business Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2729888297.20050110213257@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: "MarkusVester@aol.com" In-Reply-To: <1dc.34185540.2f143e15@aol.com> References: <1dc.34185540.2f143e15@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TTSMilter-Version: 1.4 (c)2002-2003 by Peter Bakota, (bakota[at]tippnet.co.yu) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.108.119.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pyrotherm.co.yu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re[4]: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi , Yes OK I try on abt 135.9 now ! 73 and tnx, Teo Best regards, YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94659 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 20:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 20:33:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co6Dz-000Bii-Ql for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:33:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co6Dx-000Bi3-SU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:33:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co6E8-000G0l-J4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:33:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co6DC-0000oA-K4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:32:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co6DA-0000o1-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:32:24 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co6D5-0006ht-HE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:32:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050110203208.UYDW14410.priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:32:08 -0700 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:32:08 -0800 Message-ID: <1105389128.41e2e64871bec@webmail.telus.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:32:08 -0800 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4W3VBAXS3X64XR1IG4XA7WRFAB0ZB6.41e2e246@Charlie_Drake> In-Reply-To: <4W3VBAXS3X64XR1IG4XA7WRFAB0ZB6.41e2e246@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.240 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: Re[2]: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Not that it is presently a problem But TIL is presently transmitting on 137778.0ish from CN89lg, Vancouver BC Canada. 137778.5 would be a good choice as you'll miss the loran line at 137778.356 and this freq seems clear on w3eee and ki0le grabbers. However, as John points out some high power stations are beaconing on the east coast and do QRM abit of the watering hole around there... 73 Scott Quoting Steve Dove : > Hi Teo, > > 778 is I think OK. Yes, VO1NA is on 777, WD2XES on 779. > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > >Ok I go maybe 137.778 ??? but VO1NA is on 137.777 > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18421 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co6NY-000ODk-LJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:43:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co6NY-000ODh-Iw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:43:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Co6Nv-000Af4-Ss for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:43:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co6N8-0000x4-KL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:42:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co6N8-0000wv-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:42:42 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co6N5-0006kx-Nx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:42:42 +0000 Received: from CPHL040 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7E31837028A; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:38:59 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c4f754$f483d310$1100a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:42:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: YU7AR Very stong at JO65BP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010701020408050103070301" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010701020408050103070301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Teo,
 
A very strong signal her at JO65BP in the town Roskilde 30 Km west of Copenhagen Denmark
My receiving loop is in east west position, please tell me your ERP and antenna config.
 
Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC
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(v2.00.6) Business Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <3431104986.20050110215314@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: OZ7QC In-Reply-To: <004501c4f754$f483d310$1100a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> References: <004501c4f754$f483d310$1100a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TTSMilter-Version: 1.4 (c)2002-2003 by Peter Bakota, (bakota[at]tippnet.co.yu) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.108.119.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pyrotherm.co.yu X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: YU7AR Very stong at JO65BP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Ingolf, My antena is umbrella 35m high on steel tower, ERP is abt 1W . Now on 135.922 !! what you say, tomorrow try 2way qso ??? Teo -- Best regards, YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60049 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 21:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 21:02:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co6ff-0003SD-Cy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:01:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co6fe-0003Rw-QK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:01:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Co6g2-0001AJ-4J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:02:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co6fM-00017Q-Pf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:01:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co6fM-00017H-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:01:32 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co6fJ-0006pe-Vy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:01:32 +0000 Received: from CPHL040 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC4CCC9100A2; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:57:48 +0100 Message-ID: <004f01c4f757$952dd200$1100a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004501c4f754$f483d310$1100a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <3431104986.20050110215314@pyrotherm.co.yu> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:01:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: YU7AR Very stong at JO65BP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Teo, Sory but my TX is not ready yet maybe later this winter. Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC ----- Original Message ----- From: "YU7AR" To: "OZ7QC" Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: YU7AR Very stong at JO65BP > Hi Ingolf, > > My antena is umbrella 35m high on steel tower, ERP is abt 1W . > Now on 135.922 !! > > what you say, tomorrow try 2way qso ??? > > Teo > > -- > Best regards, > YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26153 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 23:06:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co8be-0005vx-12 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:05:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Co8bd-0005vu-UT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:05:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Co8c0-000KTh-5x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:06:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Co8ZG-0001PI-M3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Co8ZG-0001P9-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:22 +0000 Received: from bay102-f24.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.34] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Co8ZB-0007F7-Ow for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:03:22 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:03:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:02:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004301c4f751$6d59a660$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:02:31 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2005 23:03:02.0956 (UTC) FILETIME=[898C76C0:01C4F768] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.34 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: RE: LF: Re: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I commend the following http://www.lwca.org/sitepage/part15/index.htm - press Lowfer Although it may not be perfectly up to date, as we do wander a bit proably mode dependant, it gives the feels for whose on where - and moreover the status of where to look further for whose on etc. Cheers Laurence wd2xdw 137,7756 and 137,7752 GPS ref'd em26aq -offair at the mom, listening. >From: "John Andrews" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Re: EU Beacons >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:17:31 -0500 > >Teo, > >It is very difficult for some of us in North America to see DX signals near >that frequency, as our stations are transmitting there. It would be much >better for you to transmit with the other EU stations near 135.922 kHz. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > I transmitting today after 20:00 GMT on 137.776 QRSS30 from KN05BW. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26857 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 09:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 09:04:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoHwu-0004Ei-BE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:04:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoHwt-0004EY-Ru for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:04:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoHx0-000Bs1-6R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:04:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoHqm-0002Pe-EZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:58:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoHqm-0002PV-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:58:04 +0000 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoHqh-0000J9-I0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:58:04 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.c.3c231432 (3956); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:57:40 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:57:40 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.136 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: Re[2]: LF: EU Beacons Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 10/01/2005 20:02:31 GMT Standard Time, yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu writes:
Hi Steve,

Ok I go maybe 137.778 ???  but VO1NA is on 137.777


Teo
--
Best regards,
YU7AR                            mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu
 
To avoid QRM to viewers of NA satations in Europe:
 
Isn't the 'convention'   137 from NA to Europe  and 135 from Europe to NA?
 
Also, if CFH is transmitting then the NA satations will not be able to receive any weak signals on 137?
 
Just a thought............
 
 
73
 
David
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Hi,
I can read regular on my RX Scale 440,00  DRE ( guess thats Drezdenko, Poland ) and FW ?
 
Could this  veryfied in order to calibrate my RX- indication ?
 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97656 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 12:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 12:38:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoLHf-000FJl-5b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:38:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoLHe-000FJV-Ky for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:38:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoLHj-000Aao-CL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:38:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoLHD-0002uI-Fr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:37:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoLHB-0002u9-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:37:33 +0000 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoLH6-00016V-FS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:37:33 +0000 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41E3B17400011540 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:36:51 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:36:46 +0100 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4198ECC50022BB29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:36:46 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:36:46 +0100 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 41CBE7E500070910 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:36:14 +0100 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:36:13 +0100 Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:38:13 +0100 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEEE0@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:38:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: RE: EU Beacons Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010702010209010600090002" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010702010209010600090002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Very nice sigs here near Paris, Teo. My rig: 23 turns 1.4 square metre loop + deaf ICOM IC-738 (The frequency drift was coming from my RX warm-up) 73 de Jean-louis F6AGR > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de YU7AR > Envoye : lundi 10 janvier 2005 20:20 > A : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Objet : LF: EU Beacons > > > Hello LF Groups, > > I transmitting today after 20:00 GMT on 137.776 QRSS30 from KN05BW. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Teo YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu > > --------------010702010209010600090002 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="YU2AR @ F6AGR.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="YU2AR @ F6AGR.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEASABIAAD/2wBDABYPERMRDhYTEhMZFxYaITckIR4eIUQwMyg3UEZU U09GTUxYY39sWF54X0xNbpZweIOHjpCOVmqcp5uKpn+Ljon/2wBDARcZGSEdIUEkJEGJW01b iYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYmJiYn/wAAR CAApASADASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREA AgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSExBhJBUQdhcRMiMoEIFEKRobHBCSMzUvAVYnLRChYk NOEl8RcYGRomJygpKjU2Nzg5OkNERUZHSElKU1RVVldYWVpjZGVmZ2hpanN0dXZ3eHl6goOE hYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaanqKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4uPk 5ebn6Onq8vP09fb3+Pn6/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwDLu7q9haQAu0ZY4Y5ORms03E5J/eSD6Ma1 ru21SUuXFx5WSVCqdmKxypRyCOQe/FdL1JHJcSqctJIR/vmrBvp2TbGSo+tRiSVhjzFVfzrb 0/Qrm4txNDcQsrcYdG/rRogMJZ5Cfmmlz7PTg8pP/Hw4H+1J/wDXq7ewR2Fw0d1DHI47IxxV dp0lXaIooBnqoquVCHAzKRm5AX187P8AWnSXCIB5cjO3qWYj+dVQFDhUCzE9MLWzb6NeXEBd rUgf3Suw/qaei3Ax5biRmJ86QH0BIFME8veV/wAXP+NWTpl80zrFZTDaefkJ/WiHSr2efyBF tk7qxAI/DrWbGVvOmzxK/wD30f8AGkM8v/PWT/vs1cvtKutOC/aI1+bpjnNCafflQf7PnOe4 hP8AhRZAVVuZ0GRM/wCJNBvJ26yyH/gRq+uh6nOp2Wkq+z4X+Zq7ZeGL4n9+qRe5YH+VF0na 4GNHLIW+eSXHsx/xp00pBHlvMB7sa1BoT/2oLWW5jDEZGFdjj8sfrWn/AMItJwF1FkA7LFj+ tNyikBypmbbxcyZ9CxFRtNMOBK5+jGuj1XQfslk0xukkK9fMG3P05rmt5HQAD2FD5WBIJLnb kyTAfU0zz5weJpf++jRG7ocgK3seaVnaTOIlH0GKVkAhuJ+80v8A30aVbiUnmSY/RzSfIB88 WD680RlfNXONuec5NKwEpeQjKzSj/eY1H9pnU/69z9GNdvG2hrahjBAygZ5hyf1FZcmoeGuR 9hk+gXH9aTfkBgG7kZcB2B9dxpguZQeZW/Mmt+O/8Ow5kh02Rn7CUgj9WNPg1rS5JQsuj2yJ /eGw/pgU7t9AMBruVhjzXHvnFSILgrk3qgehkOa39Xv9MFo0dpZReYcYfyUwKtWGvafBYpvU ROBhljUYJ9eMU9bXsBzEPnscRuzn/rpmnQrfzSlESSUjsnJFb8njGFWISzdh6l8f0rLtNcZd TkuY7aFGk4PzMP64/ShSv0ApXNtqELKHjuYt5wockZPtUh03WgM+Rc49s1r3fiHU0GYorfb6 hST/ADqi/iTVnPEgj/3Yxj9Qalp32ArxafqrnLJdRgdS0b/0FaA8Par5YkWeNwRkDcyn8iBi qaazqyMXW8JLdiVI/AGmyeINXIKtdkA+iKD+YFDTQD10rV5ZniSNgydcyY/rXS+HUeOzRJbZ kmQurzHadxDkYyDn9McfSuVsL9obprmW6YykcsQST+JrptEd7u2VlurpCzu5AiXZy56MUOev r60qi6jRPJpcN3p0aLhGZFOfmK9OflBFZ7+GLZCXubqNIs84TZ+pNGrXlxBpsYgvYR8gUpHk MOn8QNctK8s7lmYOxOSSck/iaaUrbiOkuNF0C2QNJeS4PQq4b+QrW0d9MtrfybO7VxnJ3sA3 5cfyriIhdR8xsU/3XxWrYXLmNhearNBxwDLuz+FPkutwuT+Lxabont/KMpJ3lSP1rnVYY+6D /wACrQe1juZysVwkpP8AE3H9P61BPZvZnLruHqrcVajYQwTKWUfd9sAj9a9AsbqKSziIljzt GQMDH4A8V56WEn8Sj2Z/8akAkWM/6or7bTRKPMF7HYN4hiWeSNrWdQh+8y4zWbL4kCagJYoI WUqFJbIfHpnp+lcwZXBI3nHoOBSD5ucKPcmpUY7D1OquvFsgGILZAfVnz/hWdc+KNTnj2oYo vUxjn9SaxGIB6g/QUu/Hp+ApWjcC2NT1EHm9uT/22b/Gr0XiLU1RV89cD+8AT+ZrF3bqeDEA Mo5P1p2QFu51O6ubgSzsJHHQlBx9KhuLqWZlaUFseuf8aiDoTjbtHsacRGMbJz9CDVASG8cp t3uB/dHSmFiefKA9wDULnn7278KVJWAxuOKXNrZhYduZecBh6EUBg3WMfhmniLeM7JD74AqF 1KnH9aHdAI2c9CKcm7+FSTSD5eSoP1qxFdlFwkEOfXbk1K31AjPnfxFwPrTcL3cflSy+ZIdz g/lUYHOAPzpvQCUPCFxsJb1pgZt2VBFSZ2pzGh+hqINg5AA+vNNsCw91cMu1jke4xUJUkZ3r 9M04SqT88Kt9MikfDcrHtH1ovcCMAg9M07A7ggUnA7UoIB4ANSlYAO3sW/OgEAfdz9TQ2SM7 cU1GAPzU76gKR3AxQPm6tTmdSMZI/CmHHb+dJ2AmRYsENIB+v9K7fwus39kwEyRmD59qhCGB 3nknOPXtXBqhb2ruPCqINPhcWe1yrg3G1fn+Y8ZB3fmO1TPYaMGa0+1yObezlJBOXGSCf++S P1rKmheGUxlNrA45FegP/qxULfe/GtLiOMXT7lojKYcrjORVZSY2IAH0Jr0N/wDj3P0qh3pO QHJRRGdgAQnuXGP51Zns7S3g3PN5smei9K6Sn/wVXMBxWbfrhvoDViCITqfJjYH/AGTn+ldU Kmi7UlIDhp4ZI5GV42Uj+8CKjVR3IrvpupqHtU9bjOJMYPQr+DU0xt3BH1FduKGpadgOJCAd T+ooPy8hh+VdrS0cwHFbmPU5/KmkgdQwrt6O9FwOJ5boM/hS+WygN938K7k/dqNqdwOK/euO u4UB2TjA/EV2lKelFwOJzuPzOaNuD8rfrXa0opXA4ls9zmkVcnv9K7c0houByH7pUw0LA+pp BFDjcZfwAxXZdqQ1Tl5COMkdDwqY/GmKxHH8+a7UUoqedjscYiM5+4cevSkaPaeCh/4FXbr0 ph61TegjiSc9SPypMNjhTj1xXbVNH92le4zhVkKj/Vg+5FISrcng+gruWqM9aLgcjDbpIhZt y475/wDrV13hqKB9Ptxm58xCzfekVDhz/wABP0+vvUkPetWx/wCPRPx/mampsgR//9k= --------------010702010209010600090002-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 404 invoked from network); 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GI0JQH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21099 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 12:46:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 12:46:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoLPD-000Fou-4O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:45:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoLPC-000Foe-Le for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:45:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CoLPT-000MNO-Fo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:46:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoLOl-00032D-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:45:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoLOl-000324-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:45:23 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoLOf-00018d-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:45:23 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0BCj0np031034 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:15:00 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0BCixTW005625 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:14:59 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0BCixVe004737; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:14:59 -0330 (NST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:14:59 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <41E2BD35.2010105@usa.net> Message-ID: References: <000001c4f735$272eea90$e6a4c593@RD40002> <41E2BD35.2010105@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Jim and Alberto and LF group, Thank-you for the info. I well remember reading Alberto's article. The schematic of the FT-817 shows about 6 switching diodes and some shunt 100 uH chokes and series 0.1 uF caps. Fortunately, the internal preamp can be bypassed (by activiating the so called AIP) which improves the LF gain significantly. It appears as if the main culprit is indeed insufficient reactance of the transformer before the mixer. So we can replace the shunt chokes, pad the caps and replace the transformer, but the frustration level of having to do this at the SMT scale will be high. I think that this will also compromise the VHF an UHF performance of the RX. It is now starting to look easier to start from scratch by building a new LF RX or simply to continue using the external preamp. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote: > james moritz wrote: > > > I'm sure some people have described mods > >where this transformer is changed to improve LF performance, but I can't > >think who at the moment. > > > > > http://www.mods.dk/view.php?ArticleId=2711 > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57081 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 13:37:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 13:37:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoMCo-0006rK-1K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:37:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoMCn-0006rC-5I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:37:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CoMD3-00071w-Lq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:37:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoMAK-0003Az-TN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:34:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoMAK-0003Aq-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:34:32 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoMAG-0001GS-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:34:32 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CoM9S-0007jX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:38 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CoM9R-0002m5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:37 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:33:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f7e2$27ee3a50$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF / T/A sigs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Joe, LF Group, There is quite a lot of info, including schematics and measurements, on the FT817 RX at: http://www.ussc.com/~turner/ft817_rcv.html This comes to the same conclusion about the LF sensitivity. It is a bit difficult to interpret the sensitivity measurements with/without the preamp, but the sensitivity without the preamp would appear to be about 36dB down at 100kHz compared to HF, and even worse with the preamp on. Since the same mixer transformer is used from 100kHz to 470MHz, it would probably be difficult to do much better with this component than Yaesu have done already. BTW, the QRSS10 sigs from VO1NA have been visible much of the time over the last couple of nights here - with "O" copy for considerable periods. The most consistent times appears to be between about 0600 and 0800 utc here. YU7AR has been a good signal too, about S5. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51964 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 14:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 14:02:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoMbB-000Egc-Re for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:02:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoMbB-000EgZ-Mh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:02:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CoMbR-000Lft-VM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:02:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoMaZ-0003I6-Fh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:01:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoMaX-0003Hx-2V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:01:37 +0000 Received: from virus-out-st.online.no ([193.212.240.200] helo=scan.telenor.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoMaQ-0001Km-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:01:37 +0000 Received: from tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.90] [134.47.162.90]) by scan.telenor.net with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:59:45 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:59:36 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-014.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.163.124]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:59:36 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:59:35 +0100 Message-Id: Thread-Topic: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF thread-index: AcT327jRQfvwbPbFQqmW1Ikm9PmRKgACYzVA From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 13:59:36.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E7EA70:01C4F7E5] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.212.240.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telenor.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Re: semiconductor switches, was "Pre-amps on LF" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) 100µH has reactance = 80 ohms, and 0.1µF has 12.5 ohm, so it isn't dramatic extra attenuation for the 6 switches, possibly around 10-15 dB in a 50 ohm system, or did I make wrong calculation? Jan-Martin, LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]På vegne av Joe Craig Sendt: 11. januar 2005 13:45 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: Re: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Dear Jim and Alberto and LF group, Thank-you for the info. I well remember reading Alberto's article. The schematic of the FT-817 shows about 6 switching diodes and some shunt 100 uH chokes and series 0.1 uF caps. Fortunately, the internal preamp can be bypassed (by activiating the so called AIP) which improves the LF gain significantly. It appears as if the main culprit is indeed insufficient reactance of the transformer before the mixer. So we can replace the shunt chokes, pad the caps and replace the transformer, but the frustration level of having to do this at the SMT scale will be high. I think that this will also compromise the VHF an UHF performance of the RX. It is now starting to look easier to start from scratch by building a new LF RX or simply to continue using the external preamp. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote: > james moritz wrote: > > > I'm sure some people have described mods > >where this transformer is changed to improve LF performance, but I can't > >think who at the moment. > > > > > http://www.mods.dk/view.php?ArticleId=2711 > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21135 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 14:24:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 14:24:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoMvy-000M2Y-G0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:23:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoMvy-000M2V-8B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:23:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoMwE-0002JU-7X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:24:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoMvD-0003N6-RC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:22:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoMvD-0003Mx-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:22:59 +0000 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoMvB-0001Of-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:22:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD064BA9B for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:22:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EB54BAAD for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:22:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3713D4C2C5 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:22:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050111152937.02ba1eb8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:34:16 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.58.240.41 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: semiconductor switches, was "Pre-amps on LF" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit >It is now starting to look easier to start from scratch by building >a new LF RX or simply to continue using the external preamp. > >73 >Joe VO1NA Hello Joe, maybe is less work to build an up-convertor to HF and use the existing RX at HF. Using a widely available (and thus cheap) 10MHz xtal you end up right in the 30m band (10.137kHz). As the RX is probably very sensitive at 10MHz maybe you can do without any amplification at LF, just a bandpass filter and a mixer (preferably passive DBM, minicircuits has some nice and cheap building blocks). 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21820 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 14:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 14:31:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoN2z-000Okm-NF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:31:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoN2w-000Ojs-9h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:30:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CoN3C-0003EX-E8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:31:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoN2f-0003Rt-Sy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:30:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoN2f-0003Rk-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:30:41 +0000 Received: from virus-out-st.online.no ([193.212.240.200] helo=scan.telenor.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoN2d-0001R0-2K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:30:41 +0000 Received: from tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.90] [134.47.162.90]) by scan.telenor.net with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:30:22 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:30:22 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-014.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.163.124]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:30:21 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:30:21 +0100 Message-Id: Thread-Topic: LF: Re: semiconductor switches, was "Pre-amps on LF" thread-index: AcT36WVqyisEaG5BSx2QzOcrPjIcSgAAELKQ From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 14:30:21.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[14F11B90:01C4F7EA] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.212.240.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telenor.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Re: Re: semiconductor switches, was "Pre-amps on LF" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Not sure if IF-break-through could be a problem - as it is at least on the 28MHz band - so might be an idea to use lower frequency band, possibly around 2MHz (?), so I might even consider my well reputed KwEa receiver 73, Jan-Martin, LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >It is now starting to look easier to start from scratch by building >a new LF RX or simply to continue using the external preamp. > >73 >Joe VO1NA Hello Joe, maybe is less work to build an up-convertor to HF and use the existing RX at HF. Using a widely available (and thus cheap) 10MHz xtal you end up right in the 30m band (10.137kHz). As the RX is probably very sensitive at 10MHz maybe you can do without any amplification at LF, just a bandpass filter and a mixer (preferably passive DBM, minicircuits has some nice and cheap building blocks). 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18169 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 16:06:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoOXG-0004e0-IY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:06:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoOXG-0004do-3N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:06:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CoOXV-000BVd-I3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:06:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoOWB-0003hj-HS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:05:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoOWB-0003ha-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:05:15 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoOW8-0001nE-L2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:05:15 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-039.fen-net.de [212.204.116.39]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0BG2w2I027768 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:02:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001701c4f7f8$2b3a2f00$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:11:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon 440KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
What you hear, Uwe, is exactly on 440,000KHz. DI2AG is 44Hz up. You need very small bandwidth or soundcard and ARGO.
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
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Von: Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 11. Januar 2005 13:29
Betreff: LF: Beacon 440KHz

Hi,
I can read regular on my RX Scale 440,00  DRE ( guess thats Drezdenko, Poland ) and FW ?
 
Could this  veryfied in order to calibrate my RX- indication ?
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4980 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 16:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 16:23:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoOnz-000ASt-EU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:23:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoOnz-000ASq-5W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:23:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoOoE-0000wT-0n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:23:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoOnA-0003u4-Nc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:22:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoOnA-0003tv-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:22:48 +0000 Received: from 39036.rad.tsai.es ([195.235.39.36] helo=infomail.es) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoOn7-0001so-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:22:48 +0000 Received: from joan ([172.16.101.241]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #1105460552.291000001; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:22:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c4f7f9$bfbbf4a0$05001aac@joan> From: "Joan Morros" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:22:30 +0100 Organization: lleida.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Infomail-Id: 1105460553.71AC010A81107E.20553 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.235.39.36 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lleida.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_BODY=0.151,HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML=0.205 Subject: LF: nice signal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080100030606040806080108" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080100030606040806080108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi.
 
Very strong signal from YU7AR in JN01HO with my "home"-rx-equipment.
 
Juan Morros
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(TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CoPI8-0001Ta-Du for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: <41E404E3.8090305@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:54:59 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <85.1ec846b8.2f1553e3@aol.com> <41E3FD4D.2040204@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41E3FD4D.2040204@usa.net> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: From egilch1802@aol.com. Re Uninstall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, could the "password" have been u-n-s-c-r-i-b-e ? (without the dashes of course, msg didn't make it through) 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35619 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 17:05:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 17:05:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoPSE-000Jal-HR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:05:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoPSD-000JaX-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:05:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoPSG-000BLV-Vx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:05:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoPRb-0004AM-Ma for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:04:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoPRb-0004AD-Bt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:04:35 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoPRY-00025a-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:04:35 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CoPRJ-0000np-1y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:04:17 +0100 Received: from p5090578f.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.87.143] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CoPRI-00041c-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:04:16 +0100 Message-ID: <41E40720.9080008@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:04:32 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <85.1ec846b8.2f1553e3@aol.com> <41E3FD4D.2040204@usa.net> <41E404E3.8090305@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41E404E3.8090305@freenet.de> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: From egilch1802@aol.com. Re Uninstall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ... or, even better ... u-n-s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e ;-) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95194 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 17:56:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 17:56:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoQFE-000Eaz-On for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoQFE-000Eaw-LE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:55:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoQFT-00022P-Co for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:56:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoQEC-0004Pk-OY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:54:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoQE8-0004Pb-8z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:54:44 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoQE5-0002Kd-Kq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:54:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 9396 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 17:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2005 17:54:30 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c4f806$cb257b60$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <85.1ec846b8.2f1553e3@aol.com> <41E3FD4D.2040204@usa.net> <41E404E3.8090305@freenet.de> <41E40B3C.3050904@usa.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:55:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: From egilch1802@aol.com. Re Uninstall Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Alberto, if I ever visit Italy, I am NOT going to ask you for driving directions!
 
John A.
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71292 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 18:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 18:24:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoQgM-000Mf0-5W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoQgM-000Mes-1M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoQga-000L8E-L0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:24:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoQgG-0004am-EX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoQgG-0004ad-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:48 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoQgD-0002Qx-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:48 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE11978078 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:29 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID504JaksXE7118X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.132.97] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 268JaksXb0134M31; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:23:27 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.132.97 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E4199D.10200@usa.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:23:25 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <85.1ec846b8.2f1553e3@aol.com> <41E3FD4D.2040204@usa.net> <41E404E3.8090305@freenet.de> <41E40B3C.3050904@usa.net> <004301c4f806$cb257b60$3801a8c0@JKA> In-Reply-To: <004301c4f806$cb257b60$3801a8c0@JKA> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID268JaksXC0134X31 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: From egilch1802@aol.com. Re Uninstall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John, you have nothing to worry about... in Italy we have a proverb that says : "All routes bring to Rome" so whatever indications you might receive from me, the final destination is assured... 73 Alberto I2PHD ---------------------------------------- John Andrews wrote: > Alberto, if I ever visit Italy, I am NOT going to ask you for driving > directions! > > John A. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65316 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 22:07:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 22:07:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoUAI-0005e1-47 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:07:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoUAI-0005dy-1Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:07:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoUAU-000OFI-Ua for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:07:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoU6b-00050V-Dh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:03:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoU6b-00050M-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:03:13 +0000 Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.205]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoU6V-000367-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:03:13 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.9a.1d9eabb2 (17377) for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.1d9eabb2.2f15a70e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:02:54 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.205 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: VO1NA 11 Jan; Gamma Ray Burst 27 Dec Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080601090900080500030202" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080601090900080500030202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Joe, Johan and LF Group,

last night showed an uninterrupted and moderately strong trace of VO1NA between 00:00 and 07:30, above a relatively quiet background. Only dashes could be resolved on my slow 0.021 Hz resolution FFT - the capture was taken at 0400.

After Johan's note, I searched for impressions of an SID on saved SXV and CFH traces which could have been caused by gamma ray burster SGR 1806 -20 on Dec 27th, 21:30:26 UT. Nil here - not surprisingly, as the source was 50° below the horizon in Europe, incidentally near the sun. It had been observed by several North American VLF monitoring people - perhaps someone on this list can find it in past spectrograms of part-5 lowfers?

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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In einer eMail vom 05.01.2005 17:29:56 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt jbodin@tele2.se:

>> I found this on another reflector and thought it might
be interesting to the LF prop gurus. 73 Johan
...
http://aavso.org
Click on the "GCN #2932" button for the SID plots.  Very interesting.<<




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11 Jan 2005 22:07:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 22:07:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoUAU-000JAB-45 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:07:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoUAU-000JA8-12 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:07:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoUAV-0007uo-O8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:07:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoU9D-00050k-ST for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:05:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoU9B-00050b-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:05:53 +0000 Received: from bay102-f37.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.47] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoU94-00036d-Le for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:05:53 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:05:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:04:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:16 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2005 22:05:35.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACDAE230:01C4F829] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.47 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: Coil.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit fyi..., brings tears to my eyes...Laurence (ex BT International!) BT has dismantled and delivered a unique piece of engineering history to its final resting place in Wiltshire - an example of 'one BT' in action. A BT Global Service team of six engineers - led by Rugby radio station manager Stan Francis - undertook the task of dismantling the giant tuning coil at BT's Rugby radio station. It was then moved from Rugby to the Science Museum Wroughton, Wiltshire - arranged by Phil Buch of Supply Chain Partners - and made possible by BT's internal logistics distribution network. "The sheer size and awkwardness of the coil made this an interesting logistical move," Phil said. The dismantling and transfer to the Science Museum was co-ordinated by BT archives as part of the company's heritage strategy - BT's commitment to safeguarding its heritage on behalf of the nation. The spectacular wooden and copper structure - measuring eight metres long and 11 metres high - used to fulfil a key role in radio communications. The structure resembles an enormous spider's web and comprises six copper coils measuring five metres each in diameter - and each weighing 350 kilograms. The coil was part of the tuning circuit used to tune the antenna to the right operational wavelength - and carried up to 1,000 amps of radio frequency current, before being decommissioned in March 2003. The original tuning coil was destroyed during a fire in 1943 but was replaced because of its vital importance to the war effort. It is this replacement coil that is being donated to the Science Museum - one of BT's partners in its Connected Earth heritage initiative. BT's head of corporate memory David Hay said: "It played a significant 'behind the scenes' role during the second world war when it enabled communications with the Royal Navy and other shipping interests - and with the French Resistance. This vital role continued during and following the Cold War - when encrypted data was transmitted to ships and submarines." Head of global corporate social responsibility Janet Blake said: "We are delighted to donate such an important part of telecomms history to the science museum. It will enable future generations to understand the equipment used in the early days of radio technology, to appreciate the speed of change in this technology to where we are today and start to imagine what the telecomms technology of the 21st century will become. The coil is a key part of world history." More information and pictures can be found on the 24 Hour Museum website . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23883 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2005 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 23:33:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoVVv-000AWP-FQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:33:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoVVv-000AWM-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:33:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoVVw-000C50-G3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:33:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoVTY-0005KE-UU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:31:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoVTY-0005K5-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:31:00 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoVTU-0003M4-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:31:00 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.225.148 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2005 23:30:45 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c4f835$9379ba80$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:18:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Coil.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Laurence, GOOD, well at least they didn't just smash it up !! That is about the most unique bit of GBR that was left after the 1968 rebuild. (You have a copy of the Rugby Radio CD I believe ?) Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: Sent: 11 January 2005 22:04 Subject: LF: Coil.... > fyi..., brings tears to my eyes...Laurence (ex BT International!) > > BT has dismantled and delivered a unique piece of engineering history to its > final resting place in Wiltshire - an example of 'one BT' in action. > A BT Global Service team of six engineers - led by Rugby radio station > manager Stan Francis - undertook the task of dismantling the giant tuning > coil at BT's Rugby radio station. > It was then moved from Rugby to the Science Museum Wroughton, Wiltshire - > arranged by Phil Buch of Supply Chain Partners - and made possible by BT's > internal logistics distribution network. "The sheer size and awkwardness of > the coil made this an interesting logistical move," Phil said. > The dismantling and transfer to the Science Museum was co-ordinated by BT > archives as part of the company's heritage > strategy - BT's commitment to safeguarding its heritage on behalf of the > nation. > The spectacular wooden and copper structure - measuring eight metres long > and 11 metres high - used to fulfil a key role in radio communications. The > structure resembles an enormous spider's web and comprises six copper coils > measuring five metres each in diameter - and each weighing 350 kilograms. > The coil was part of the tuning circuit used to tune the antenna to the > right operational wavelength - and carried up to 1,000 amps of radio > frequency current, before being decommissioned in March 2003. > The original tuning coil was destroyed during a fire in 1943 but was > replaced because of its vital importance to the war effort. It is this > replacement coil that is being donated to the Science Museum - one of BT's > partners in its Connected Earth heritage > initiative. > BT's head of corporate memory David Hay said: "It played a significant > 'behind the scenes' role during the second world war when it enabled > communications with the Royal Navy and other shipping interests - and with > the French Resistance. This vital role continued during and following the > Cold War - when encrypted data was transmitted to ships and submarines." > Head of global corporate social responsibility Janet Blake said: "We are > delighted to donate such an important part of telecomms history to the > science museum. It will enable future generations to understand the > equipment used in the early days of radio technology, to appreciate the > speed of change in this technology to where we are today and start to > imagine what the telecomms technology of the 21st century will become. The > coil is a key part of world history." > More information and pictures can be found on the 24 Hour Museum website > . > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56031 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 03:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 03:03:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoYnF-0004H5-KN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:03:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoYnF-0004H2-Hp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:03:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CoYnF-0000zs-CP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:03:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoYkC-0005pF-5x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:00:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoYkB-0005p6-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:00:23 +0000 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoYk7-0003sj-Tp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:00:23 +0000 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA8KEWCAX8ABVS for (sender ); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:59:14 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewM0dVUUv3fe6eRozCPI3OSgtuGIri6ZM7A== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KG44TD8E; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:58:55 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <20050111.215841.2216.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-85 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 29:14:1166109556 X-MAIL-INFO: 41aac3d71ab7cb0bdb8b0afa4ff32f4a5fb7f36b6ef327feba2e4b87fb83873fba87cf073f8e476ed7b3bfd72bfbd3f713dfafabdfdad3dfdb4a X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of juno.com designates 64.136.30.74 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Coil.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) At least it didnt go to the Land fill They junked a Rocking beam steam engine that provided water for the City when the electric motors had all flooded out... Bob K3DJC On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:04:16 -0900 "Laurence KL1X" writes: > fyi..., brings tears to my eyes...Laurence (ex BT International!) > > BT has dismantled and delivered a unique piece of engineering > history to its > final resting place in Wiltshire - an example of 'one BT' in > action. > A BT Global Service team of six engineers - led by Rugby radio > station > manager Stan Francis - undertook the task of dismantling the giant > tuning > coil at BT's Rugby radio station. > It was then moved from Rugby to the Science Museum Wroughton, > Wiltshire - > arranged by Phil Buch of Supply Chain Partners - and made possible > by BT's > internal logistics distribution network. "The sheer size and > awkwardness of > the coil made this an interesting logistical move," Phil said. > The dismantling and transfer to the Science Museum was co-ordinated > by BT > archives as part of the company's heritage > > strategy - BT's commitment to safeguarding its heritage on behalf of > the > nation. > The spectacular wooden and copper structure - measuring eight metres > long > and 11 metres high - used to fulfil a key role in radio > communications. The > structure resembles an enormous spider's web and comprises six > copper coils > measuring five metres each in diameter - and each weighing 350 > kilograms. > The coil was part of the tuning circuit used to tune the antenna to > the > right operational wavelength - and carried up to 1,000 amps of > radio > frequency current, before being decommissioned in March 2003. > The original tuning coil was destroyed during a fire in 1943 but > was > replaced because of its vital importance to the war effort. It is > this > replacement coil that is being donated to the Science Museum - one > of BT's > partners in its Connected Earth > heritage > initiative. > BT's head of corporate memory David Hay said: "It played a > significant > 'behind the scenes' role during the second world war when it > enabled > ations with the Royal Navy and other shipping interests - and with > the French Resistance. This vital role continued during and > following the > Cold War - when encrypted data was transmitted to ships and > submarines." > Head of global corporate social responsibility Janet Blake said: "We > are > delighted to donate such an important part of telecomms history to > the > science museum. It will enable future generations to understand the > equipment used in the early days of radio technology, to appreciate > the > speed of change in this technology to where we are today and start > to > imagine what the telecomms technology of the 21st century will > become. The > coil is a key part of world history." > More information and pictures can be found on the 24 Hour Museum > website > . > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47378 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 09:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 09:33:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Coesb-000EoA-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:33:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Coesa-000Enz-U7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:33:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoesY-000IwU-5A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:33:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoenG-0006W7-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:27:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoenG-0006Vy-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:27:58 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoenA-0004xA-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:27:58 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.143.3cade5aa (18403) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:27:38 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <143.3cade5aa.2f16478a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:27:38 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.208 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Coil.... 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In a message dated 12/01/2005 03:03:51 GMT Standard Time, riese-k3djc@juno.com writes:

At least it didnt go to the Land fill

They junked a Rocking beam steam engine that provided water for the City
when the electric motors had all flooded out...

Bob K3DJC
Arrgh.
 
I live 3 miles from a 'steam museum'. They have a collection of 10 steam engines including 2 huge beam engines used to pump water to London in the Victorian era.
 
Every weekend they run the engines up for visitors.........A great day out for some, but not all members of the family. Good to hear the Rugby coil is safe
 
http://www.kbsm.org/
 
 
 
73
 
David
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27376 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 11:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 11:42:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CogtW-000Oi7-2s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:42:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CogtV-000Oi1-NX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:42:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cogtc-000M1s-BE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:42:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cogqa-0006ka-18 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:39:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CogqZ-0006kR-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:39:31 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CogqW-0005PI-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:39:31 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0CBdLki038457 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:39:21 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host244.m04.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.244]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0CBdBma012048 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:39:13 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00291 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:56:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:56:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007801c4f6ac$9538ec40$6401a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna plans de J. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040307060709030803020005" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040307060709030803020005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear J, On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > > Alex, Thank you for your continuing help. I am retired and live on a > fixed, small income. Litz (sp?) wire in not being considered. Solid coper wire yelds Q-factor about 1/2 of Q-factor with Litz. Certanly with solid wire nice Q-factor is also reachible. But wireing step should be twice of wire diameter. If wire is too thin then coil wil be too short (optimal lenght of coil is about 1/2 of coil diameter). >How big does the elevated counterpoise need to be at LF to be effective? This can be illustrated by picture in attachment. But I should to note this is result of my original theory only. It is NOT tested experimentaly. So I am not absolutely shure this is not wrong. I have compare this theory with nec-2 modeling with Sommerfeld-Norton ground description. It much very well. But this is for elevated conterpoise only. NEC-2 can not modeling burred conterpoise unfortunely. NEC-4 is not reachable for me. For experimental testing I have no oportunety also. 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Alberto,
 
We have a proverb that says "Rome was not built in a day". Having followed your directions are we assured that the construction will be complete and operational on our arrival ?
 
73 de Pat g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38640 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:06:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:06:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cok52-0009q5-U0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cok52-0009pq-5R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cok56-0003H2-Tg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cok4b-0007Jv-Ax for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cok4a-0007Jm-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:12 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cok4Y-0006E7-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:06:12 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-118.fen-net.de [212.204.116.118]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0CF3vKY025062 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:03:57 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002601c4f8b9$19f5e4c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:12:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 18:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.fen-net.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear All,
        the QRO-transmission last sunday showed, that the equipment worked safe. The ERP was nearly 3W. Thus I will try again QRO coming weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, starting at 22UTC, ending next morning 6UTC. I think - under good propagation conditions - this power might be sufficient to cross the atlantic. Are there friends who are willing to observe the QRSS10-signal on 440,044KHz? Should I increase to QRSS30 ore more?
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43181 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:16:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CokE9-00078G-RB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:16:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CokE8-000785-T9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:16:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CokE4-000FTL-C0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:16:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CokDG-0007Os-OV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:15:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CokDG-0007Oj-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:15:10 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CokDC-0006GH-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:15:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050112151454.GPAS29788.priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:14:54 -0700 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:14:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1105542894.41e53eee2c7ac@webmail.telus.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:14:54 -0800 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1682648606.20050109094135@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.240 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: CQ EU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good luck Joe! Quoting Joe Craig : > Dear Group, > > It looks as if conditions are favourable for a 2-way TA. > I will transmit QRSS30 on 137.7770 kHz on the > hour starting 2300 UTC and RX 135.922 on the half hour. > > 73 ES GL > Joe VO1NA > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98837 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:25:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:25:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CokN9-000H5d-JN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:25:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CokN8-000H5O-ST for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:25:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CokNE-0000Lo-KC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:25:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CokLS-0007Sr-Cm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:23:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CokLS-0007Si-0S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:23:38 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CokLN-0006Io-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:23:37 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.client.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005011215231201500n6bg1e>; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:23:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c4f8bc$468e7da0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c4f8b9$19f5e4c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:34:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Walter
 
QRSS30 would be okay - QRSS60 would be better. By shutting down at 0600Z you are limiting the TA window. I'd suggest 0700 or even 0800Z if possible. Do you have an accurate frequency readout of your TX?
 
Jay, W1VD
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Dear All,
        the QRO-transmission last sunday showed, that the equipment worked safe. The ERP was nearly 3W. Thus I will try again QRO coming weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, starting at 22UTC, ending next morning 6UTC. I think - under good propagation conditions - this power might be sufficient to cross the atlantic. Are there friends who are willing to observe the QRSS10-signal on 440,044KHz? Should I increase to QRSS30 ore more?
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99178 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:25:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:25:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CokNM-000AWy-I7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:25:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CokNK-000AWZ-Lc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:25:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CokNG-0000OB-1D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:25:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CokKZ-0007Sa-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:22:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CokKX-0007SR-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:22:41 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CokKT-0006IU-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:22:41 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D676A1A3 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:22:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:22:15 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID339JaLPwP1789X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.237] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 948JaLPwN0041M31; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:22:13 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.237 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E540A6.5000301@usa.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:22:14 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID948JaLPwo0041X31 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: From egilch1802@aol.com. Re Uninstall Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Pat, we have the same proverb in Italy. And knowing the attitude toward work of people below a certain latitude line (which I won't mention here) in Italy, you can rest assured that the construction will _never_ be completed, let alone be fully operational... but I am risking here to start an intra-Italy flame war, so could the jury disregard my previous assertion please? 73 Alberto I2PHD ----------------------------------------------------- G4gvw@aol.com wrote: > Alberto, > > We have a proverb that says "Rome was not built in a day". Having > followed your directions are we assured that the construction will be > complete and operational on our arrival ? > > 73 de Pat g4gvw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71705 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:49:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cokkd-000P6g-Bn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:49:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cokkc-000P69-0M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:49:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cokkh-000CFR-PN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:49:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cokjj-0007gV-Ah for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:48:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cokji-0007gM-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:48:42 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cokjf-0006Qn-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:48:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 25173 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:48:13 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c4f8be$53f4bfc0$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c4f8b9$19f5e4c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001101c4f8bc$468e7da0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:49:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jay, Walter, >QRSS30 would be okay - QRSS60 would be better. By shutting down at 0600Z you are limiting the TA window. I'd suggest 0700 or even 0800Z if possible. Do you have an accurate frequency readout of your TX?< I would suggest QRSS30. As Jay suggests, the hour around your sunrise time could be good. You should try to stay on until 0730 UTC, if possible. I did look for the QRSS10 transmission last weekend, and saw nothing. But an all-night recording might catch something. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61002 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:55:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:55:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cokq5-000J3u-Or for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:55:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cokq5-000J3m-11 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:55:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cokq0-0007km-3H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CokpO-0007oI-0F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:54:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CokpN-0007o9-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:54:33 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CokpI-0006So-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:54:33 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Cokp9-0005C8-04; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:19 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Z4mSP2ZEZe9KdNyUoeVkyZcq8zq8zaGVZgfJhc2MfZ-R8Tsq86XYgl@[80.144.121.236]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Cokp1-1hkxCC0; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:08 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <977397535.20050112165408@t-online.de> To: "rsgb_lf_group @ blacksheep . org" , lowfer@lwca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Z4mSP2ZEZe9KdNyUoeVkyZcq8zq8zaGVZgfJhc2MfZ-R8Tsq86XYgl X-TOI-MSGID: 855bb913-2e1b-4c33-98fd-e0a48d287ed7 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: TA 11/12 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Very strong QRSS10 signal from VO1NA 2330-0100z and 0200-0800z. Brief copy of WD2XGJ in QRSS30 0510-0550UTC. Screenshots: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70265 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 16:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 16:29:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ColNA-000Cwx-7d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:29:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ColN7-000CwR-SH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:29:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ColND-000ICi-82 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:29:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ColKU-0007wN-Uz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:26:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ColKU-0007wE-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:26:42 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ColKS-0006cJ-2A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:26:42 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IA700HCZPO6HZJ4@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0CGQUaD029227 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:26:30 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27806-17 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:26:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0CGPmFc028934 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:25:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:25:45 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001d01c4f8c3$5e8433d0$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <002601c4f8b9$19f5e4c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <001101c4f8bc$468e7da0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Conditions, WX and Propagation... De VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Pat, and LF, Extending the subject... In Canada work ABOVE a certain line on a weather map and below a line on the thermometer can combine to stall work. It is ~-51C (-57F) here this morning in our high mountain valley, about 6 C degrees colder than Whitehorse, only 25 minutes from here. Family vehicles will not start, even with added help from electrical heaters wrapped on their battery, in their oil and in their coolant so my son does not go to work. On another subject... The intensity, size and shape of the Auroral halo look as they at year end when very excellent TA propagation existed to East Coast NA stations. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81442 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 17:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 17:27:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ComHb-000KmT-ET for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:27:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ComHb-000KmG-1f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:27:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ComHV-000Bsr-Nk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:27:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ComFg-00088S-JY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:25:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ComFg-00088J-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:25:48 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ComFd-0006uX-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:25:48 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ComFU-0003pk-04; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:25:36 +0100 Received: from (S+v6BUZaQeatYwtanJBzd9sdPKinBvqB+KwShNS4nv5l1ZsRbt9Uw2@[217.251.191.172]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1ComFM-0Y48em0; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:25:28 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1682648606.20050109094135@t-online.de> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:25:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1ComFM-0Y48em0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: S+v6BUZaQeatYwtanJBzd9sdPKinBvqB+KwShNS4nv5l1ZsRbt9Uw2 X-TOI-MSGID: fe0fb1c3-694e-4b5a-a7ff-e5920c647731 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492 Subject: Re: LF: CQ EU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe Craig schrieb: > Dear Group, > > It looks as if conditions are favourable for a 2-way TA. > I will transmit QRSS30 on 137.7770 kHz on the > hour starting 2300 UTC and RX 135.922 on the half hour. > > 73 ES GL > Joe VO1NA > Hi Joe, so Ill stop my QRSS60 beaconings on 135.92205kHz and in case I read your signs answer on half hours in QRSS30. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30538 invoked from network); 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Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:51:52 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Conaw-0007G3-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:51:52 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-13-49.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.13.49]:2447 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ConZp-000IOc-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:50:41 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:52:06 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: FW: [Yaesu] Yaesu FT857D-What a bargain! (OFF TOPIC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All at LF, This is off topic but an interesting comparison, received from the Yaesu Reflector. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: yaesu-bounces@mailman.qth.net [mailto:yaesu-bounces@mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of John Geiger Sent: 12 January 2005 15:25 To: yaesu@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Yaesu] Yaesu FT857D-What a bargain! Win a new Icom IC-756PROIII and help QSL/QTH.net Details at: http://mailman.qth.net/index.html . . If my memory is correct, this year is the 10th anniversary of the Icom 706 series, as I believe the original 706 came out in late 1995-probably in time for Christmas. This was the beginning of the minimobile HF/VHF radio craze, and when it came out, I wanted one in the worst way, but couldn't afford it being a poor graduate student. My station at that time was an Icom 720A for HF and a Kenwood TS600 with 100 watt tube amp for 6. No 2 meter SSB at that time in my shack. Just for fun, I decided to see what a station with the capabilities of the FT857D would have cost 10 years ago, in early 1995. The prices listed below are from the AES catalogs of that time. To get something with the capabilities of the FT857D you would need: Kenwood TS50-$1040 MFJ Econo keyer-$50 Timewave DSP9 DSP filter-$169 MFJ 9406X 6 meter rig (at 10 watts)-$240 CW adaptor for 9406-$40 Mirage A1015 6 meter amp (to get to 100 watts)-$350 Yaesu FT290RII 2 meter all mode, 25W-$630 Tone encoder/decoder for 290-$42 Yaesu FT790RII 70cm all mode, 25W-$720 Tone encoder/decoder for 790-$42 Grand total of $3323 And that is assuming that you would move the DSP filter and keyer from rig to rig. With this setup, you would get 50 watts more on 6 meters, but 25 watts less on 2, and most would agree that the FT857D does much better on 6 than the MFJ 9406 would do. I just went for lowest cost. The package total might be less if the Alinco DX70TH was out at that time (early 1995) which it may have been. ALso, the faceplate on the TS50 is not remotable. The best price I could find for a FT857D was $689 at Texas Towers. This means that the 706MKIIG is $2634 less than a similar equipped station in 1995 dollars, and is a whole lot smaller. What a truely remarkable deal! 73s John NE0P __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Yaesu mailing list Yaesu@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/yaesu -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68737 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 20:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 20:12:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoorS-0009wW-BV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:12:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoorQ-0009w0-5e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:12:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoorJ-000MYx-Lm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:12:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoooZ-00006U-Ay for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:09:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoooY-00006L-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:09:58 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoooW-0007VE-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:09:58 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-13-49.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.13.49]:2873 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CoonQ-000F23-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:08:48 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:10:23 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Audio Filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All at LF, Is it useful to use a audio filter like the DATONG FL3 MULTI-MODE AUDIO FILTER WITH NOTCH FILTER to help with QRSS receive on LF, does anyone use one or similar? I don't have one but see the odd one or two crop up on E-Bay at reasonable prices. Your comments appreciated. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39187 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 20:42:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 20:42:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CopKN-000Gyz-Mt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CopKN-000Gyo-5A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CopKG-0008uq-Jn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CopIh-0000D5-HF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:41:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CopIf-0000Cp-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:41:05 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CopIb-0007bM-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:41:05 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CopIE-0002dt-Lm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:40:38 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e1ae.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.225.174] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CopID-0004K6-LX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:40:38 +0100 Message-ID: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:41:01 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Alberto, Eberhard, John, and all, I made some tests with an image-cancelling mixer for the 136 kHz lately, using the "SSB phasing method" as described in the ARRL handbook. The only tricky part, the 90° audio phase shifter, is realized via software. Only standard parts are required: A 4.433619 MHz-crystal, a 74HC161, a 74HC107, a 74HC4066 (or something "better"), a TL084, and a few passive components. No inductors, no transformers ! For CW transmission without the need for a PC, you will need an audio frequency generator with I/Q output . A short description and some ugly hand-drawn schematics of my first prototype can be found here : http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/phasing_lf_exciter/index.html The rejection of the carrier (here: 138.5 kHz) and unwanted sideband when tested with Jason (beta) and Spectrum Lab was surprisingly good: "Wanted" signal: S9+20 dB on a TS 850, all "unwanted" signals within +/- 100 kHz: no S-meter reading . (ok, an S-meter is not a measuring tool.. but good enough for this inital test ) Sounds adequate for a "spare" transmitter for your next DXpedition, using digital and "slow" modes ;-) At the moment, there are at least two programs available which can generate audio signals with I/Q output using a "stereo" soundcard. More on that, hopefully, from the software author(s) soon ! Any suggestions and comments are welcome. Cheers, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47480 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 20:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 20:46:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CopNl-000Hjg-Qa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:46:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CopNl-000HjN-4C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:46:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CopNe-0000vI-Jq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:46:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CopNV-0000IE-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:46:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CopNV-0000I5-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:46:05 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CopNS-0007cv-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:46:05 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.147] (helo=mx4.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CopNA-0002i2-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:45:44 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e1ae.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.225.174] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx4.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CopNA-0001uH-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:45:44 +0100 Message-ID: <41E58C9A.10907@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:46:18 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Audio Filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Gary, IMHO, there no great benefit from using an audio filter for QRSS. I tried the "DSP" in an FT897, and also a narrow analog filter (which I use for CW on LF), but couldn't see an improvement on the waterfall screen if the "contrast" and "brightness" controls are properly adjusted. It is more important to have a good noiseblanker in the receiver's frontend . 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6453 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 21:11:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 21:11:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Coplf-000EKm-IV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:11:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Coplf-000EKg-9R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:11:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Copli-000Ncl-R7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:11:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CopkX-0000NI-Th for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CopkX-0000N9-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:53 +0000 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.207]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CopkU-0007hj-UW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:09:53 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.83.1edc8d4c (16781) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:09:30 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <83.1edc8d4c.2f16ec0a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:09:30 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.207 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: CQ EU Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

I have added a third spectrogram to my grabber, showing the European transmit window around 135922 Hz. It may help us here to find a niche within the hopefully overwhelming pileup... but Americans please don't use it to cheat during QSO's ;-)

Best of luck to all participants

Markus, DF6NM

http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79077 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 21:18:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 21:18:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoptM-000PKY-3k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:19:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoptL-000PKS-Oo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:18:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoptE-000OsZ-VV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:18:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoprM-0000Rn-Lw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:16:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoprM-0000Re-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:16:56 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.202.55]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoprG-0007jm-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:16:56 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200501122116300110038pshe>; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:16:36 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:14:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <84LVRMIKJB6OJ4Y8295SN42APO3VKE.41e59320@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.55 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Audio Filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Gary, There are a couple of these floating around here that spend their time rescuing boat-anchors and such. They really were the best pre-DSP post-receiver filter boxes. The auto-notch works a treat. In the absence of real IF filters, there might be advantages to using one to crank down the bandwidth prior to Argo or whatever, but such audio filtering lays one open to 'surprises'. Such as (over here) CFH or something else hideously strong within the remaining filtered-out and so unheard IF bandwidth starting up and knocking back the AGC, leaving one to wonder where everything went. There really isn't a substitute for IF filtering; most of the time there are narrow CW filters on the 'Grabulators' here (including a couple only 125Hz wide). That said, the receiver for the 137.778kHz window is set at 137.000kHz USB, and is wide open (i.e. 2kHz+ bandwidth). This allows the same receiver audio output to feed multiple 'puters and instances of Argo and SpectrumLab for the above mentioned window, DCF39 monitoring, and WD2XES's merry 'mode du jour' jaunts hither and yon, etc. The plots seem slightly better behaved with storm crashes than those from narrow bandwidth receivers - likely a filter group-delay thing. But this wouldn't be possible if there were any danger of a big hairy signal popping up in that 2kHz swath. Where the Datong (or one of the after-market DSP filters) really comes in useful at LF is in NDB chasing. Nominal keying modulation frequency of these (here at least) is supposedly 1020Hz. On an integer kiloHertz channel, there is usually a small forest of carriers on or close(ish) to the nominal frequency; about 20Hz higher are the modulation sidebands of the beacons 1kHz *lower* in frequency; about 20Hz below the carriers are the LSB modulations from beacons a kiloHertz higher. (Confused yet?) The Datong's or DSP's filter cranked really down tight to 30 - 40Hz bandwidth allows separation of these to a degree sufficient to allow reading IDs that would otherwise be totally impossible. In short, as good as the box is at what it does, it has little applicability to the present style of LF reception, QRSS and the like, and in fact could be a liability, but does come into its own when 'band cruising' or beacon hunting. Cheers, Steve http://www.w3eee.com "Gary - G4WGT" wrote: >Is it useful to use a audio filter like the DATONG FL3 MULTI-MODE AUDIO >FILTER WITH NOTCH FILTER to help with QRSS receive on LF, does anyone use >one or similar? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12974 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 22:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 22:15:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoqmI-0005NL-H7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:15:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoqmE-0005La-Iy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:15:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoqmH-0005X2-J6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:15:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Coql4-0000Zj-Vl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Coql2-0000ZZ-Hc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:28 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Coqkz-0007xc-2H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:28 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.39.147 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 22:14:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c4f8f4$14f00740$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:06:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.198 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Audio Filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Gary, I find there is no advantage provided there are not strong signals on the band, which can drive the soundcard into non-linearity. As I often use the card at "too high" a level, so that I can hear the morse on the PC speakers, I do find a filter helps when there are others around. I am not sure whether the audio filter has this advantage unless you are sure that the RX is not overloading. To get round this I use the IF filter on the RX, to say just bracket the DX window at night. Under normal conditions an audio filter will gibe no advantage in fact it might even add noise. I have sometimes used a notch to do the same thing, but that was some year or two back. The ARGO FFT system is actually a series of very sharp audio filters, after all. I hope you didnt get too much more damage in the lastest winds. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" Sent: 12 January 2005 20:10 Subject: LF: Audio Filters > > Hi All at LF, > > Is it useful to use a audio filter like the DATONG FL3 MULTI-MODE AUDIO > FILTER WITH NOTCH FILTER to help with QRSS receive on LF, does anyone use > one or similar? I don't have one but see the odd one or two crop up on E-Bay > at reasonable prices. > > Your comments appreciated. > > Regards > > Gary - G4WGT > > Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33457 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 22:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 22:25:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Coqvh-000EWe-4T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:25:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoqvR-000EON-0D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:25:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoqvI-000CLB-JH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:25:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CoqtL-0000e0-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:23:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CoqtL-0000dr-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:23:03 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CoqtI-00080X-RR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:23:03 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA567812D for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:22:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.130] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:22:43 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.130 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg130.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID492JaLwwr7267X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.237] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 545JaLwwp0460M30; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:22:41 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.237 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:22:10 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID545JaLwwQ0460X30 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Wolf,

  congratulations for this project, I am sure it can open new possibilities to would-be experimenters in LF.
As you mentioned, Jason V0.99 (to be released soon on the Web site) has I/Q outputs, as does your
Spectrum Lab, so a couple of software tools are just waiting for some soldering irons to be swiitched on,
and handled by the correct end...

I am wondering if a reverse form of the (in)famous Tayloe sampling detector could be used here.
What I mean is to take your four I+, I-, Q+, Q- signals and to multiplex them into a single output,
using an analog multiplexer, single pole, quadruple throw, like the FST3253 or the ADG704, driven by
a clock 4x the wanted output frequency. This would simplify considerably the hardware, should it work.

My soldering iron is on a temporary vacation, so I am relying on someone else to volunteer for that...

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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Wolf DL4YHF wrote:
Hello Alberto, Eberhard, John, and all,

I made some tests with an image-cancelling mixer for the 136 kHz lately, using the "SSB phasing method" as described in the ARRL handbook. The only tricky part, the 90° audio phase shifter,  is realized via software.
[...]

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27354 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 22:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 22:50:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CorJl-000Kkc-Bj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:50:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CorJl-000KkZ-95 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:50:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CorJe-000NyW-0A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:50:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CorIp-0000vD-Nr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:49:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CorIn-0000v4-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:49:21 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CorIi-00086J-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:49:21 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.42.158 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 22:49:05 -0000 Message-ID: <009301c4f8f8$a2587320$122f8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <84LVRMIKJB6OJ4Y8295SN42APO3VKE.41e59320@Charlie_Drake> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:45:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Audio Filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Gary, LF group, The FFT process of the spectrogram does a very good filtering job, and the sound card audio input has a surprisingly good dynamic range, being able to cope with unwanted signals maybe 70dB or more stronger than the wanted signal (at least, on the sound cards I have tried, which are nothing special). The limiting factors usually seem to be distortion in the RX IF and audio, and audio frequency hash which gets into the sound card from the rest of the computer; unfortunately an external audio filter is not much help with either of these. I find that using a very narrow IF or audio bandwidth usually worsens the effect of QRN, something in the range 200 - 1000Hz seems best. Where a very narrow bandwidth external audio filter IS useful is for aural CW reception in the presence of QRM such as carriers or other CW signals. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90967 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 22:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 22:50:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CorJb-000EYR-BB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:50:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CorJb-000EYO-8G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:50:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CorJe-000Nya-3m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:50:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CorIh-0000v0-MY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:49:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CorIf-0000ur-G9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:49:13 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CorIb-00086F-0w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:49:13 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6D44C8DD for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:48:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:48:56 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID174JaLwW51009X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.237] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 244JaLwW30048M38; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:48:54 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.237 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E5A934.2010302@usa.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:48:20 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID244JaLwW40048X38 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alberto di Bene wrote:
I am wondering if a reverse form of the (in)famous Tayloe sampling detector could be used here.
What I mean is to take your four I+, I-, Q+, Q- signals and to multiplex them into a single output,
Of course, what I meant were the AI+, AI-, AQ+, AQ- signals, as named in your schematics...

73  Alberto  I2PHD

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7090 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoruM-0002h7-Si for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:28:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CoruM-0002h4-QM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:28:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoruF-000NMp-AP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:28:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CorrO-00014a-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:25:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CorrO-00014R-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe Vo1NA said > > It looks as if conditions are favourable for a 2-way TA. > I will transmit QRSS30 on 137.7770 kHz on the > hour starting 2300 UTC and RX 135.922 on the half hour. > I will transmit on 1359212 on the half hour tonight Wed 12th Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92704 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 23:35:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 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Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:35:08 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.85.1ee64707 (16781) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:34:48 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <85.1ee64707.2f170e18@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:34:48 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.137 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: CQ EU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080805080200050703000708" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080805080200050703000708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Joe,

wow - it's very quiet tonight, and this is the clearest signal I have ever seen from you! The beginning was just barely detectable in QRSS-3 resolution.

Best of luck

Markus, DF6NM
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charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Sorry I forgot, QRSS20 Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46990 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 23:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 23:45:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CosBQ-0006LN-Sc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:45:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; 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Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <003101c4f900$adda7d30$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de J. Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alex and LF, Since optimum Q in an inductor with solid wire requires an air space between adjacent conductors equal to conductor diameter, would it make sense to wind a coil with two varnished conductors in parallel and have the conductors in tight contact? The idea of parallel conductors is to lower the Q, space the conductors, and make winding the coil easier. Has anyone recorded tests of this winding compared to a simple winding? I need to know is simply how big the elevated counterpoise should be in meters to be effective but I do not understand how to extrapolate the diameter of and effective counterpois in meters (its size) from the graphs. Please explain use of the graphs for me. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64699 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 23:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 23:55:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CosKI-0003eW-Bu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:54:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CosKH-0003eS-Sk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:54:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CosKK-0007fN-9a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:55:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CosJb-0001M5-9i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:54:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CosJa-0001Lw-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:54:14 +0000 Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.58]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CosJX-0008Ly-Ro for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:54:14 +0000 Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050112235351.KJSM17352.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:53:51 +1300 Received: from quaycustomer ([210.86.67.224]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050112235351.SFSZ16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:53:51 +1300 Message-ID: <001601c4f903$09750aa0$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <84LVRMIKJB6OJ4Y8295SN42APO3VKE.41e59320@Charlie_Drake> <009301c4f8f8$a2587320$122f8351@w4o8m9> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:01:29 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.58 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Audio Filters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, I'm parallel to Jim M0BMU for regarding that QRSS reception via a sound card does not benefit from very narrow analogue filtering in the radio, or at audio prior to application to a sound card. A QRN spike causes ringing and nonlinearity in a receiver, and effectively subtracts from the remaining time when the noise to signal ratio is still satisfactory for Argo (or whatever FFT software) to grind out a useable result. QRN can also cause AGC hang. The least "outage" resulting from a QRN spike is with other than very narrow (analogue) bandwidth ... My QRSS DX receiving setting options are (I use a TS-850SAT): - IF noise blanker active (clips the spike at a system bandwidth of 16 kHz or so) - AGC on fast setting (quickest recovery following a spike) - IF bandwidth 270 or 500 Hz (and wider could be a tad better still?) - no outboard audio filtering before the sound card (thus no added ringing). 73, Bob ZL2CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: LF: Audio Filters > Dear Gary, LF group, > > The FFT process of the spectrogram does a very good filtering job, and the > sound card audio input has a surprisingly good dynamic range, being able to > cope with unwanted signals maybe 70dB or more stronger than the wanted > signal (at least, on the sound cards I have tried, which are nothing > special). The limiting factors usually seem to be distortion in the RX IF > and audio, and audio frequency hash which gets into the sound card from the > rest of the computer; unfortunately an external audio filter is not much > help with either of these. I find that using a very narrow IF or audio > bandwidth usually worsens the effect of QRN, something in the range 200 - > 1000Hz seems best. Where a very narrow bandwidth external audio filter IS > useful is for aural CW reception in the presence of QRM such as carriers or > other CW signals. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88952 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 01:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 01:09:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CotU1-000Ki5-6C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:09:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CotU1-000Ki2-3T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:09:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CotU3-0009Dy-1I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:09:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CotRJ-0001WT-F2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:06:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CotRJ-0001WK-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:06:17 +0000 Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.157] helo=mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CotRF-00008H-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:06:17 +0000 Received: by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id 2D7401800093; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:05:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3103 (wwinf3103 [172.22.158.30]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14C471800091 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:05:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <7011507.1105578356079.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.24.112] Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 02:05:56 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.157 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Looks like Peter and I have been transmitting at the same time ,so some confusion !

Anyway going to bed now.

73 Laurie.



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10515 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 01:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 01:20:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Coteg-000Ptk-4Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:20:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Coteg-000Pth-1o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:20:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CoteW-000LQL-D4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:19:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CotdM-0001b6-8c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:18:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CotdL-0001ax-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:18:43 +0000 Received: from bay102-f40.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.50] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CotdI-0000BA-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:18:43 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:18:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:17:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:17:13 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 01:18:25.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7F06C90:01C4F90D] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.50 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: XDW intermittent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Storms keep knocking off the mains power here in NE OKlahoma, and the Decca isnt on the UPS (!) so intermittently off air. Very noisy on Rx hence why Im transmitting..cant hear a thing at the mom. Laurence KL1x/5 em26aq wd2xdw 13,7752/6 ish dfcw 90 - moving around a bit, playing with drive sources From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11267 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 08:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 08:56:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp0mx-000Jim-LL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:57:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp0mx-000Jij-IX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:57:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cp0mm-000944-G3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:56:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp0jC-00029O-D5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:53:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp0jB-00029F-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:53:13 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp0j9-0001PQ-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:53:13 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0D8qtki026988 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:52:55 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0D8qmL3016167 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:52:54 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00270 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:11:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003101c4f900$adda7d30$6401a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear J, On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > > Since optimum Q in an inductor with solid wire requires an air space between > adjacent conductors equal to conductor diameter, would it make sense to wind > a coil with two varnished conductors in parallel and have the conductors in > tight contact? The idea of parallel conductors is to lower the Q, space the > conductors, and make winding the coil easier. Though it is a good idea. > I need to know is simply how big the elevated counterpoise should be in > meters to be effective but I do not understand how to extrapolate the > diameter of and effective counterpois in meters (its size) from the graphs. > Please explain use of the graphs for me. This figure us usefull to unerstend qualatively only dependance on conterpoise high. Also it is posible QUALATIVELY see how losses is chanded if conterpose is elevated or burred. This graph is for T or L antenna 20 m high with all wires radius 1 mm when conterpoise is equal to top load. Besides top load (and conterpoise length) should be much more then vertical wire length. Only for such a simple antenna geometry it is posible to derive analiticaly some formulas for ground loss resistance. Ro is some resistance depending on conterpoise lenght an soil conductivity. Formulas used to draw this figure was derived by me few years ago. Unfortunely I have forgot where is my writings with this formulas. Somewere they are but it is dificult to find them in my 'pile up' of different papers:-) I'll try to find. Also this formulas may be posible to find in archive of this list. But any way You can estimate ground loss for REAL antenna geometry if conterpoise is elevated. One should use a NEC-2 (EZNEC-2) with Sommerfeld-Norton ground description. Unfortunely this can not be done for burred conterpoise. Burred conterpoise require NEC-4. ELNEC (NEC-1) is not usefull to estimate ground loss at all. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62330 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 09:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 09:17:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp16X-0002vj-Ow for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:17:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp16X-0002vX-9o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:17:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cp16V-000IKN-Rn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:17:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp15T-0002F8-KE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:16:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp15T-0002Ez-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:16:15 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp15P-0001ZS-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:16:15 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0D9G4ki031216 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:16:04 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host244.m04.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.244]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0D9G0Y7018767 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:16:01 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00291 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:33:19 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:33:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > > Since optimum Q in an inductor with solid wire requires an air space between > > adjacent conductors equal to conductor diameter, would it make sense to wind > > a coil with two varnished conductors in parallel and have the conductors in > > tight contact? The idea of parallel conductors is to lower the Q, space the > > conductors, and make winding the coil easier. > > Though it is a good idea. May be I understand Your idea not right. Two (or more) wires connected in paralel on the ends can be used if wire is too thin to acive coil length of 1/2 of a coil diameter when step of wireing is twice of wire diameter. But anyway space betwin wires should be equal to wire diameter. Also it is posible to use an additional wire to get a appropriate space but then additional wire should be removed. If there is no space betwin wires then Q will decrease. Not too much but... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62171 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 11:02:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 11:02:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp2kO-0001nt-NJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:02:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp2kJ-0001kg-52 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:02:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cp2k7-0006Sm-02 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:02:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp2fM-0002QJ-Ep for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:57:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp2fM-0002QA-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:57:24 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp2fJ-000211-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:57:24 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Cp2ed-0005Zu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:56:39 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Cp2ec-00064O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:56:38 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:56:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4f95e$8dfb1160$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c4f441$d1260d40$991686d4@erica> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: CQ EU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Joe, LF Group, Saw your QRSS30 signals last night - copy was OK, with a low noise level, although the signal level seemed lower than previous few nights. I called on 135.923kHz a number of times, but decided to call it a night at around 0430. I also saw G3LDO and G3AQC calling you. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61249 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 12:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 12:07:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp3kl-0003lS-Cb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:07:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp3kl-0003lI-1f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:07:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cp3ki-000EKN-EH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:07:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp3hq-0002ZA-AP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:04:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp3hp-0002Z1-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:04:01 +0000 Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.158] helo=mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp3hn-0002Ex-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:04:01 +0000 Received: by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id C96B81800090; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:03:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3001 (wwinf3001 [172.22.159.28]) by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B0C571800081 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:03:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19381550.1105617825721.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.24.3] Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:03:45 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re.CQ EU Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi Joe,

Your signal came in strongly OOO at 23:00 but faded to T or less by NA.

However I was set up and sent you a report of M on 137,921.6 hoping that it would have recovered by the time I had finished. However there was some confusion since Peter was also calling you and although you came back the message was incomplete .I decided to go to bed !

Will try again but find late nights difficult. Hi.  73 Laurie. 



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37668 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 13:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 13:13:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp4n1-000Oar-CG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:13:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp4mr-000OYl-AG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:13:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cp4mn-000Pie-HI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:13:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp4js-0002iY-KO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:10:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp4js-0002iP-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:10:12 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp4jl-0002QO-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:10:12 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0DD9mki072618 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:09:48 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0DD9ipA010214 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:09:45 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00288 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:25:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:25:24 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de J. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > years ago. Unfortunely I have forgot where is my writings with this > formulas. Somewere they are but it is dificult to find them in my 'pile > up' of different papers:-) I'll try to find. Also this formulas may be > posible to find in archive of this list. Here they are: >From fitec@omskcity.com Thu Jan 13 19:20:35 2005 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:34:15 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: more acurate formula for ground loss Hi, Group! I have derived more acurate formula for ground loss then previous one. This formula show previous formula is extremely aproximate. Factor of number units was losssed... New formula is derived for such a configuration. T or inverted L antenna is assumed. Height of horisontal part of antenna is H. It lenght is l. Conterpoise is up (!!!) from the ground on heght of h. h can not be less then wire radius. Conterpose length is l also. H<From fitec@omskcity.com Thu Jan 13 19:21:09 2005 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:45:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Forgot to notice... I forgot to notice. Conterpoise is under horisontal part of antenna assumed. Wires is parallel. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb >From fitec@omskcity.com Thu Jan 13 19:21:26 2005 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:28:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: more exectly... On Mon, 20 May 2002, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > > May be if conterpoise is up from the ground it is posible to decrease > ground loss compared to case when conterpoise lie on the ground or is > burred. More exectly: "... to increase antenna effectivity...". If h is increased R is decreased truely, but "antenna radiation height" H-h is decreased also. But R is decreasing more quickly... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb >From fitec@omskcity.com Thu Jan 13 19:21:38 2005 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:38:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: more acurate formula for ground loss Hi John and Group! On Mon, 20 May 2002, john sexton wrote: > Hi Sasha, > Putting in the same antenna details as before, > the new formula gives 38 ohms, still too low by a factor of over 2, > but much better than with the first formula. I just compare the formula to NEC-2 (Sommerfeld ground) modeling and get such a result: H=20m, l=100m, s=1mSm/m h Rin Rrad Rg Rg formula/NEC m NEC NEC formula 0.5 6.67 0.13 6.54 7.47 1.14 1 4.97 0.12 4.85 5.43 1.12 2 3.31 0.11 3.20 3.52 1.10 3 2.42 0.10 2.32 2.51 1.08 4 1.83 0.08 1.75 1.87 1.07 It seems differences is due to not enought segmentation in modeling (1 meter of segment length). I can't do better segmentation because of my computer is not so good... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb >From fitec@omskcity.com Thu Jan 13 19:22:15 2005 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:35:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: more acurate formula for ground loss Hi John and Group. On Mon, 20 May 2002, john sexton wrote: > Putting in the same antenna details as before, the new formula gives 38 ohms, still too low by a factor of over 2, but much better than with the first formula. May be 93 - 38 = 55 ohms is enviroment loss. And if make conterpoise up from the ground about 1 or 2 meters, ground loss reduces from 38 to about 5omhs. So total loss will be 55+5=60 omhs. But it is the matter of experiment... It seems very interesting and worth to do 'pure' experiment in field far from trees and buildings when no enviroment losses present and when conterpoise is up from the ground and conterpoise length is equal to antenna length. NEC-2 confirms the formula but this is only computer modeling, not real measurement! If it will be no problem to estimate ground loss itself then it will be posible to separate ground and enviroment losses when doing experiments. So experimental study of enviroment losses itself will be possible and ways to reduce enviroment loss will become more obvious. Now we do not know what part of total loss is ground loss and what is enviroment loss itself. > However in order to do this since my earth wires are actually buried I used a value of h = .0005 (1mm diam. wire) the minimum value permitted with your formula. It seems reasonable. My generalised mirror reflection theory can be used for burred conterpoise also I hope. It is only matter of time. Now I want to ensure this theory for simple conditions. Complex conditions is a next step. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb >From fitec@omskcity.com Thu Jan 13 19:22:36 2005 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:06:09 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Burred conterpoise Hi, Group! I have just derived formula for ground loss when conterpoise is burred. Configuration is the same then conterpoise is elevated. But now h is conterpoise depth. Also wire radius r appears in the formula. Ground loss resistance for this case is: R = 0.5*R0*ln( (H+h)^4/(8*H^2*r*h) If H>>h then it can be simplifired: R= 0.5*R0*ln( H^2/(8*r*h) ) As for elevated conterpoise it should be h>r here. It seems interesting then if h=r (conterpoise is lie on ground surface) formulas for elevated and burred conterpoise yeld approximately the same. Some difference is not suprisely because this is the limit when formulas works. Also it seems very interesting and worth that antenna ground loss resistance is NOT EQUAL to such a ground system resistance (on DC for example). Groung system (horisontal burred wire) resistance is: R = 0.5*R0*ln( l^2/(2*r*h) ) It is not very suprisely if note then E-field lines is essentialy different for ground system and antenna with burred conterpoise. If it is an antenna E-field lines starts on conterpoise and goes to antenna. If it is a 'pure' ground system E-field lines starts on the conterpoise and goes to infinity. Another field configuration yelds another resistance. It seems to me extremely worth then formulas show the conderpoise wich lie on soil surface is the extremely bad case. To reduce losses conterpoise should be elevated or burred to adequate depth. To elevate is better... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31263 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 13:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 13:42:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp5Fd-000Iea-JF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:43:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp5Fd-000IeX-GW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:43:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cp5FQ-000HkX-RG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:42:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp5ES-0002pd-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:41:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp5ES-0002pU-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:41:48 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp5EP-0002Ww-Uo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:41:48 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0DDfTnp017753 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:11:29 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0DDfTTW028778 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:11:29 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0DDfT6j027878; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:11:29 -0330 (NST) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:11:28 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: RSGB In-Reply-To: <19381550.1105617825721.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> Message-ID: References: <19381550.1105617825721.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re.CQ EU Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Markus, Laurie, Peter, Jim and Group, I was having RX trouble last night, but will try again tonight starting 2200 UTC QRSS20. Thanks to all who took part last night. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79396 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 23:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 23:40:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEV6-000FkH-87 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:36:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEUc-000EkP-7p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:35:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpD40-000Ah5-5A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:03:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpD2F-0003rT-Ez for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:01:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpD2E-0003rK-Tg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:01:42 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpD2A-0004Nx-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:01:42 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.client.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050113220112016006t337e>; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:01:22 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c4f9bd$3eb80900$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002901c4f990$a6fe3160$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:14:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.64 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Walter
 
Thank you for the information - I'll be happy to take a look.
 
Jay, W1VD
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Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG

Dear John, W1VD, dear John W1TAG,
                thanks for your suggestions. So I will transmit DI2AG in QRSS30 with 3W ERP from 23UTC to 8UTC next morning, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Exact frequency follows as soon as Markus DF6NM has measured it.
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
 
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Datum: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2005 16:24
Betreff: LF: Re: DI2AG

Walter
 
QRSS30 would be okay - QRSS60 would be better. By shutting down at 0600Z you are limiting the TA window. I'd suggest 0700 or even 0800Z if possible. Do you have an accurate frequency readout of your TX?
 
Jay, W1VD
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Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear All,
        the QRO-transmission last sunday showed, that the equipment worked safe. The ERP was nearly 3W. Thus I will try again QRO coming weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, starting at 22UTC, ending next morning 6UTC. I think - under good propagation conditions - this power might be sufficient to cross the atlantic. Are there friends who are willing to observe the QRSS10-signal on 440,044KHz? Should I increase to QRSS30 ore more?
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36849 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 23:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 23:41:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEXF-000GQF-8L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:38:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEWG-000GB9-Tm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:36:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpCL2-0003Qz-U4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:17:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpCIc-0003k4-VF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:14:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpCIa-0003jv-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) A must-read for all those who in their life have written even a single line of code: http://www.princeton.edu/~sacm/humor/languages.html 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25353 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 23:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 23:59:04 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEnd-000K3r-No for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:54:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEOb-000Bqt-8X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:28:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CpDpC-000FxK-79 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:52:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpDmn-0003z5-QP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:49:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpDmn-0003yw-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:49:49 +0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpDmj-0004bo-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:49:49 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.d4.1f67301d (3924) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:49:30 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:49:30 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.157.36 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: DI2AG frequency Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Walter and MF listeners,

I am currently reading the frequency of DI2AG as 440043.16 (+- 0.03) Hz. But this may vary slightly according to the temperature in your shack ;-)

I also saw three NDB carriers around 440 kHz:

440001.5  "pia" (modulation +-1023.5 Hz)
439997.9  weak unid (no modulation sidebands found)
439991.5  "dre" (carrier neg. keying "fw", mod. +-1020.0 Hz)

Good luck
Markus


Exact frequency follows as soon as Markus DF6NM has measured it.
 


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75444 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 00:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 00:39:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpFQU-000862-R2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:35:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEXH-000DMl-FZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:37:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cp8eY-000PEv-J3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:20:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp8cw-0003JL-Je for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:19:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp8cw-0003JC-8G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:19:18 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp8ct-0003R7-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:19:18 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1Cp8cS-0004kO-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:48 +0100 Received: from pd4b9ecd0.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.236.208] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cp8cS-0004Z1-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:48 +0100 Message-ID: <41E6AD88.6000903@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:19:04 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Alberto, Thanks for the point - and Ok about the reversed Tayloe detector : In fact, the circuit -as it is- is already quite similar. One difference is the duty cycle of the switching waveforms (if one would use a fourfold analog switch like the HC4066) for the "Tayloe": For Tayloe switches, it would be 1 / 4 (each switch conducts 25 % of the whole cycle) For the classic image cancelling mixer, the duty cycle is 1 / 2 (50 % conduction in the cycle). Unfortunately the simple quadrature L.O. with two flipflops cannot be modified (without extra components) to produce the "Tayloe"- switching waveforms. Best greetings, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69394 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 03:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 03:32:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpIAY-000JNJ-7L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:30:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEgp-000FCi-D3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:47:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cp8CM-0004m3-Gv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:51:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp89o-0003Co-R1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:49:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp89o-0003Cf-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:49:12 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp89i-0003HH-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:49:12 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-046.fen-net.de [212.204.116.46]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0DGklEV011350 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:46:47 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002901c4f990$a6fe3160$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:55:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear John, W1VD, dear John W1TAG,
                thanks for your suggestions. So I will transmit DI2AG in QRSS30 with 3W ERP from 23UTC to 8UTC next morning, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Exact frequency follows as soon as Markus DF6NM has measured it.
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
 
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Von: Jay Rusgrove <JRusgrove@comcast.net>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2005 16:24
Betreff: LF: Re: DI2AG

Walter
 
QRSS30 would be okay - QRSS60 would be better. By shutting down at 0600Z you are limiting the TA window. I'd suggest 0700 or even 0800Z if possible. Do you have an accurate frequency readout of your TX?
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:12 AM
Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear All,
        the QRO-transmission last sunday showed, that the equipment worked safe. The ERP was nearly 3W. Thus I will try again QRO coming weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, starting at 22UTC, ending next morning 6UTC. I think - under good propagation conditions - this power might be sufficient to cross the atlantic. Are there friends who are willing to observe the QRSS10-signal on 440,044KHz? Should I increase to QRSS30 ore more?
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53794 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 03:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 03:39:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpIEM-000H3d-MQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:34:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpIEL-000H3F-Li for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:34:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpIIS-000P6W-2y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:38:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpIFR-0004Q1-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:35:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpIFQ-0004Ps-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:35:40 +0000 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpIFN-0005PL-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:35:40 +0000 Received: from danton-2-81-57-233-115.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.233.115] helo=parissn2) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CpIF9-00022V-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:35:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c4f9ea$1bf9dd80$0702a8c0@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> <41E6AD88.6000903@freenet.de> <001301c4f9a2$21863c00$3801a8c0@JKA> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:35:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, You may wish to consider a dual 4-input analog mux such as the '4052. For instance, see http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/74HC4052.html You can connect the quadrature LO outputs directly to the S1 and S0 inputs. Then, because there are two muxes, you can create a differential output without needing to phase-split the incoming audio. For example, assuming address sequence is 0-1-3-2-0-1-3-2 (S1 lags S0) connect: 1Y0=Left ch. 1Y1=Right ch. 1Y2=GND 1Y3=GND 2Y0=GND 2Y1=GND 2Y2=Right ch. 2Y3=Left ch. Then, the voltage between 1Z and 2Z is the SSB output. Perhaps, you can use a transformer-coupled output. Put a cap across the primary to resonate at the approximate output frequency, and connect it from 1Z to 2Z through a suitable resistor. No op-amps or precise resistors needed, and it provides the first stage of filtering. Disclaimer: I have not tried this, and there may be a stupid reason why it won't work. Please don't laugh too hard. 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84853 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 03:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 03:52:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpIRH-000LwD-OS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:47:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpEau-000Dce-Su for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:41:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cp6ww-000PcG-Ev for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:31:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp6te-000338-JM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp6te-00032z-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp6ta-0002wX-Ou for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:28:26 +0000 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Cp6tR-0003uc-05; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:28:13 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TD97ZgZEoefKbYDOX4GUnSIIsi2mLAZbdD+Sq3-u+7kvJrrk8ERjsf@[80.144.113.140]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Cp6tI-1W77oW0; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:28:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:27:49 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <485250913.20050113162749@t-online.de> To: Joe Craig In-Reply-To: References: <19381550.1105617825721.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TD97ZgZEoefKbYDOX4GUnSIIsi2mLAZbdD+Sq3-u+7kvJrrk8ERjsf X-TOI-MSGID: 0f8ac3d2-6b9c-48a6-9045-ce9a09477ddf X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re.CQ EU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe and group, Again very strong signal here last night. Copied the calls in QRSS20 since 2300z and the QRSS10 beacon since 0300z until 0740z. Screenshots: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de > I was having RX trouble last night, but will try again > tonight starting 2200 UTC QRSS20. Thanks to all who > took part last night. > 73 > Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8097 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 11:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 11:58:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpPxH-0008Dm-9e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:51:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpPK6-0004Vq-Mo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:09:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpPNU-000PEr-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:12:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpPL0-00053m-Fc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:09:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpPKx-00053d-QL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:09:51 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpPKu-0006nA-6Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:09:51 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CpPKa-0003fn-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:09:28 +0100 Received: from www9.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.202]) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CpPKa-0001P7-3F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:09:28 +0100 Received: from www-data by www9.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.34 1 (Panther_1)) id 1CpPKZ-0001YH-2V for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:09:27 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 213.182.113.58 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:09:27 +0100 X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178,PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.185 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME, PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MessageHi Stewart,

Thanks for the suggestion - sounds too good to be true !
(to build an image-cancelling "TX"-mixer without the need for a phase-split audio if I understand you correctly).

I must admit I blindly followed the ARRL handbook which seemed to imply "you cannot build an image-cancelling mixer without some phase shifting on the low-frequency side" (unless you use the "weaver" method with pilot tones).

I have some old CMOS 4052 somewhere (not 74HC...) so may try these.
When using std CMOS in my "conventional" prototype, the sideband-suppression was worse than with the 74HCxxx because they were too slow, and the L.O. outputs were not symmetrically enough.


Will let you know about any progress with this.
At the moment  I'm quite happy with my old design which still waits to be connected to an amplifier for an on-air test (but that won't be before next weekend).


Best regards,
Wolf DL4YHF .




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Hi,

You may wish to consider a dual 4-input analog mux such as
the '4052. For instance, see
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/74HC4052.html

You can connect the quadrature LO outputs directly
to the S1 and S0 inputs. Then, because there are two
muxes, you can create a differential output without
needing to phase-split the incoming audio.

For example, assuming address sequence is 0-1-3-2-0-1-3-2
(S1 lags S0) connect:

1Y0=Left ch.
1Y1=Right ch.
1Y2=GND
1Y3=GND

2Y0=GND
2Y1=GND
2Y2=Right ch.
2Y3=Left ch.

Then, the voltage between 1Z and 2Z is the SSB output.

Perhaps, you can use a transformer-coupled output.
Put a cap across the primary to resonate at the
approximate output frequency, and connect it from 1Z to 2Z
through a suitable resistor. No op-amps or precise
resistors needed, and it provides the first stage of
filtering.

Disclaimer: I have not tried this, and there may be
a stupid reason why it won't work. Please don't
laugh too hard.

73,

Stewart KK7KA



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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49173 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 12:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 12:52:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpQro-0004dL-I7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:47:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpQrk-0004ZW-DK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:47:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpQvs-0008Fs-Dr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:52:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpQtS-0005Oc-0s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:49:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpQtR-0005OT-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:49:33 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpQtO-0007GO-KJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:49:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 30661 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 12:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2005 12:49:12 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c4fa37$595674c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:48:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) MessageWolf, et al: At this point, I am getting 50 dB of carrier and opposite sideband rejection with the 74HC4066 mixer. I need to pick up a few parts, and will be back at it tonight. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46237 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 13:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 13:15:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpRGC-000CN9-PY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:13:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpPsr-0007gg-5O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:45:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpPu7-000BJj-HD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:46:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpPt3-0005Eg-DW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:45:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpPsy-0005EX-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:45:00 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpPsw-0006x2-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:45:00 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-004.fen-net.de [212.204.116.4]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0EBgcSY003900 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:42:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004501c4fa2f$57b98740$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:51:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG frequency Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hallo Markus and All,
        thanks, Markus, for the exact frequency. I tuned 1Hz higher and hope to be close to the 440,044KHz now (exactly 440,04413?).
73   Walter
 
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MarkusVester@aol.com <MarkusVester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 13. Januar 2005 23:50
Betreff: LF: DI2AG frequency

Dear Walter and MF listeners,

I am currently reading the frequency of DI2AG as 440043.16 (+- 0.03) Hz. But this may vary slightly according to the temperature in your shack ;-)

I also saw three NDB carriers around 440 kHz:

440001.5  "pia" (modulation +-1023.5 Hz)
439997.9  weak unid (no modulation sidebands found)
439991.5  "dre" (carrier neg. keying "fw", mod. +-1020.0 Hz)

Good luck
Markus


Exact frequency follows as soon as Markus DF6NM has measured it.
 


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40828 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 13:58:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 13:58:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpRtY-0004u4-W8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:53:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpRtW-0004t4-E8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:53:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpRxe-000H8u-H3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:57:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpRuy-0005YR-V1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:55:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpRuu-0005YI-BT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:55:08 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpRur-0007X9-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:55:08 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-023.fen-net.de [212.204.116.23]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0EDqi7f012790 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:52:46 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002801c4fa41$85beaaa0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:50:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j0EDqi7f012790 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG frequency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Steve, thanks for "Grabulator II". That`s great. Please realize that I changed to 440.04416 ( I hope ). But as I saw the bandwidth of the grabulator is 7Hz, that will be enough. Thanks a lot and 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Steve Dove An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Freitag, 14. Januar 2005 01:40 Betreff: Re: LF: DI2AG frequency >Greetings, > >'Grabulator II' is watching 440.043+/- > > 73, > > Steve > >http://www.w3eee.com > > >01/13/05 22:49:30, MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > >> I am currently reading the frequency of DI2AG as 440043.16 (+- 0.03) Hz. But >> this may vary slightly according to the temperature in your shack ;-) >> >>> Exact frequency follows as soon as Markus DF6NM has measured it. > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55600 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 14:02:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpS0a-0004yt-Fq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:01:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpS0Y-0004yb-ST for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:00:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpS2J-000Jcb-Vh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:02:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpS1s-0005d4-O2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:02:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpS1s-0005cv-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:02:20 +0000 Received: from virus-out-st.online.no ([193.212.240.200] helo=scan.telenor.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpS1p-0007Zd-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:02:20 +0000 Received: from tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.90] [134.47.162.90]) by scan.telenor.net with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:00:56 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:00:56 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-014.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.163.124]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:00:55 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:00:55 +0100 Message-Id: Thread-Topic: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes thread-index: AcT6N//AW1MEl9NFSNqnNPIi9UN2mAACT26g From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2005 14:00:56.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[77B36400:01C4FA41] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.212.240.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telenor.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) very interesting, and it is still allowed to use an additional notch filter, or did I misundertand? 73, Jan-Martin LA8AK (ex GW5BFV) -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MessageWolf, et al: At this point, I am getting 50 dB of carrier and opposite sideband rejection with the 74HC4066 mixer. I need to pick up a few parts, and will be back at it tonight. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67822 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 14:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 14:06:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpS4V-0006Zm-Nn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:05:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpPi4-000433-R1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:34:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CpPjX-0004Dl-4t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:35:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpPiY-00059e-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:34:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpPiY-00059V-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:34:14 +0000 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpPiU-0006sv-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:34:14 +0000 Received: from danton-2-81-57-233-115.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.233.115] helo=parissn2) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CpPiK-0006CY-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:34:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Wolf, Well, it's not really avoiding the audio phase shift -- the 90 deg. shift is still being done by your software, and the 180 deg. shift is being done by taking the mux outputs differentially. If you could provide in software, two controls, allowing the amplitude and phase of the right channel to be adjusted slightly (relative to the left), then it should be possible to suppress the unwanted sideband nearly completely. That should work with any of the designs being discussed. However, you'd probably need to readjust then when making a big QSY, and you would need a measurement tool (receiver) to guide the adjustment. 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Hi Stewart, Thanks for the suggestion - sounds too good to be true ! (to build an image-cancelling "TX"-mixer without the need for a phase-split audio if I understand you correctly). I must admit I blindly followed the ARRL handbook which seemed to imply"you cannot build an image-cancelling mixer without some phase shiftingon the low-frequency side" (unless you use the "weaver" method withpilot tones). I have some old CMOS 4052 somewhere (not 74HC...) so may try these. When using std CMOS in my "conventional" prototype, thesideband-suppression was worse than with the 74HCxxx because they weretoo slow, and the L.O. outputs were not symmetrically enough. Will let you know about any progress with this. At the moment I'm quite happy with my old design which still waits to be connected to an amplifier for an on-air test (but thatwon't be before next weekend). Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF . --- original Nachricht Ende ---- Hi, You may wish to consider a dual 4-input analog mux such as the '4052. For instance, see http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/pip/74HC4052.html You can connect the quadrature LO outputs directly to the S1 and S0 inputs. Then, because there are two muxes, you can create a differential output without needing to phase-split the incoming audio. For example, assuming address sequence is 0-1-3-2-0-1-3-2 (S1 lags S0) connect: 1Y0=Left ch. 1Y1=Right ch. 1Y2=GND 1Y3=GND 2Y0=GND 2Y1=GND 2Y2=Right ch. 2Y3=Left ch. Then, the voltage between 1Z and 2Z is the SSB output. Perhaps, you can use a transformer-coupled output. Put a cap across the primary to resonate at the approximate output frequency, and connect it from 1Z to 2Z through a suitable resistor. No op-amps or precise resistors needed, and it provides the first stage of filtering. Disclaimer: I have not tried this, and there may be a stupid reason why it won't work. Please don't laugh too hard. 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12030 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 14:21:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 14:21:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpSFg-000ENF-Go for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:16:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpSFf-000EMm-At for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:16:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpSJn-00052h-Dd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:20:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpSJ3-0005iM-PW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:20:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpSJ3-0005iD-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:20:05 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpSJ0-0007eO-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:20:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 16025 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 14:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2005 14:19:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c4fa44$55fe0f10$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:21:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jan-Martin, >very interesting, and it is still allowed to use an additional notch filter, or did I misundertand?< At this point, no extra filtering should be required. The quadrature outputs from the sound card are run through a TL074 to provide 0, 90, 180 and 270 degree audio sources (the 180 and 270 are just inverted from the 0 and 90). That is applied to the four switches in the 74HC4066. The switches are driven from a 4X signal that goes through a ring counter and decoder to provide 0, 90, 180 and 270 degree outputs. The outputs of the switches are summed into an opamp that provides 0 dBm into 50 ohms. The only conventional filter is a simple half-wave filter at the 50 ohm output. I'll have a schematic this weekend, but there are still a few problems to solve. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30132 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 14:43:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 14:43:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpSb3-000Ms2-Vr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:38:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpGO7-000KaQ-6z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:36:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpACm-0005Lo-DU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:00:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpABa-0003YL-0w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:59:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpABZ-0003YC-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:59:09 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpABV-0003ls-1A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:59:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 21703 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 18:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 13 Jan 2005 18:58:51 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c4f9a2$21863c00$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> <41E6AD88.6000903@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:00:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf, I should have my version running on the bench tonight. It uses all four switches in a 4066, each one conducting for 1/4 cycle. The clock is just a Johnson walking-ring counter driving a quad AND gate to decode the four states. I should have more information about performance by tomorrow. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97634 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpTfJ-000PN1-M5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:47:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpG9V-000KaQ-2F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 01:21:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpFXE-000E8r-PM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:41:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpFUg-0004BU-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:39:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpFUf-0004BL-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:39:13 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpFUd-0004zH-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:39:13 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20050114003851013009do7pe>; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:38:57 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:38:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9SNGB73YT1WQONJWT72VXUNI51RLB7.41e7148b@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG frequency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Greetings, 'Grabulator II' is watching 440.043+/- 73, Steve http://www.w3eee.com 01/13/05 22:49:30, MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > I am currently reading the frequency of DI2AG as 440043.16 (+- 0.03) Hz. But > this may vary slightly according to the temperature in your shack ;-) > >> Exact frequency follows as soon as Markus DF6NM has measured it. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89076 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 18:34:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 18:34:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpWDG-000C7j-Vv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:30:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cp9P8-0003Qq-Vj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:09:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cp9IX-000Ean-Ps for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:02:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp9Fb-0003Pe-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:59:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cp9Fa-0003PV-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:59:14 +0000 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp9FX-0003Yh-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:59:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A725A4B9FF for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4363C4BA56 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D32AF096 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from 82-147.243.81.adsl.skynet.be (82-147.243.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.243.147.82]) by webmail2.kuleuven.be (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1105639134.41e6b6de2ec9f@webmail2.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:58:54 +0100 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E58B5D.6070700@freenet.de> <41E5A312.5040500@usa.net> <41E6AD88.6000903@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41E6AD88.6000903@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Originating-IP: 81.243.147.82 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.58.240.41 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Simple image-cancelling exciter for digimodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf, an easy way to get the 25% signals would be to use a Johnson counter (eg. CD4017). 73, Rik ON7YD Citeren Wolf DL4YHF : > Hello Alberto, > > Thanks for the point - and Ok about the reversed Tayloe detector : In > > fact, the circuit -as it is- is already quite similar. One difference > is > the duty cycle of the switching waveforms (if one would use a > fourfold > analog switch like the HC4066) for the "Tayloe": > For Tayloe switches, it would be 1 / 4 (each switch conducts 25 % of > > the whole cycle) > For the classic image cancelling mixer, the duty cycle is 1 / 2 (50 % > > conduction in the cycle). > Unfortunately the simple quadrature L.O. with two flipflops cannot be > > modified (without extra components) to produce the "Tayloe"- > switching > waveforms. > > Best greetings, > Wolf DL4YHF . > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42081 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 22:35:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 22:35:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpZyF-00042G-K5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:31:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpZyE-00041W-9s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:31:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cpa2I-000DOf-Rw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:35:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpZy0-0006Py-R2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpZy0-0006Pp-Eu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:52 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpZxu-0001Th-QI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:52 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C6FF2; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.130] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:20 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.130 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg130.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID899JaNwEu1487X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.158.58] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 535JaNwER0028M30; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:30:18 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.158.58 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:30:22 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> In-Reply-To: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID535JaNwEs0028X30 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I have just uploaded version 0.99 of Jason on the Web site. The main improvements are : - I/Q outputs for phasing up-conversion - Following the suggestion of Stewart Nelson, I made the amplitude and the phase of the right channel "tweakable", to compensate for unbalances in the hardware. The amplitude adjustment has a range of 0.95 - 1.05, while the phase delta can be changed from 89 to 91 degrees, with steps of about 0.01 degrees. If these ranges are deemed too small (or too big), just tell me, they can be easily changed. To use this calibration feature, open the Options menu, then Tx Port. Please test if everything works ok, especially the phase adjustment, I haven't tested it (yet). http://www.weaksignals.com 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46128 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 07:33:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpiPq-000Ltk-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:32:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpiPo-000Lsu-R5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:32:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CpiRX-000PHF-1t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:33:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpiOD-0007C7-0x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:30:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpiOC-0007By-Ei for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:30:28 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpiO7-0002eR-3n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:30:28 +0000 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CpiNy-0001WN-00; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:30:14 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Gcp8hTZAQeZh93b6pyQvzn8p2AYEnON71AMgibOVoXErAA62RHpO0B@[80.144.100.239]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CpiNo-0zPPAe0; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:30:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:30:05 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6610322072.20050115083005@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Gcp8hTZAQeZh93b6pyQvzn8p2AYEnON71AMgibOVoXErAA62RHpO0B X-TOI-MSGID: eb93a479-5c53-4701-9fbb-51ed79dedb81 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.19 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Z38AR Pile up and TA reception 14/15th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Added some screenshots from Z38AR Pile up, RU6LA, WD2XGJ and VO1NA to my website: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89324 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 11:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 11:48:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpmO9-000OAz-92 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:46:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpmO9-000OAw-4l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:46:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpmPp-000LNQ-L9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:48:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpmO9-0007YI-Vp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:46:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpmO9-0007Y9-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:46:41 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpmO6-00038l-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:46:41 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jan 2005 11:46:19 -0000 Received: from ambg-d9b97cda.pool.mediaWays.net (EHLO pc) (217.185.124.218) by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 12:46:19 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17603633 Message-ID: <005d01c4faf7$c52c56e0$da7cb9d9@pc> From: "Thomas Koelpin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:45:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.net designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Z38AR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090004080300020609080209" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090004080300020609080209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hallo Teo,
 
nice signals last night here in JN59WK - Thank you for QSO and country no. 18 !
 
Vy 73 es gl
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Hello group,
 
look at this fine Hell-picture from DF0WD, seen at 050114_1500 UTC!
 
73,
Tom, DK1IS
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EAFDC3BC14F for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:54:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> From: "Staf Rans" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:54:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.130.132.44 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telenet.be X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: Re: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk 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Hello Alberto,
 
Why not include in JASON and SPECTRUM the position A1A? Now there's USB and LSB but I use all-time A1A with a bandpass filter (IF) from 100 Hz.
 
Staf   ON6RR
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22301 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 12:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 12:38:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpnA7-0008mb-9n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:36:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpnA7-0008mT-27 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:36:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CpnBn-0004Bh-E1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:37:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpnAg-0007or-2U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:36:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpnAd-0007oi-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:36:47 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpnAa-0003IU-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:36:47 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CpnAR-0006bL-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:36:35 +0100 Received: from p50904179.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.65.121] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CpnAR-0000LP-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:36:35 +0100 Message-ID: <41E90E58.4020105@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:36:40 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> In-Reply-To: <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Staf, From a technical point of view, there is only USB and LSB in a receiver, "CW" is one of these with additional filtering (and a frequency offset added, the "pitch", usually something like 650...800 Hz). To use your receiver in "CW" mode, you need to find out if that is in fact "USB" or "LSB", and add (or subtract) the CW "pitch" to the display frequency offset. Some rigs have a "CW reverse" mode. What it is, depends on the manufacturer. My old kenwood uses USB for CW and LSB for "CW reverse". This principle works for all of the mentioned programs. All you need to know is the exact CW "pitch" frequency (which is very precise for digitally controlled rigs). For transmission, your TRX would have to be switched to USB or LSB anyway... Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF . P.S.: Thanks Teo for the QSO's - a new one for me, and a new one for DF0WD ! Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . Staf Rans schrieb: > Hello Alberto, > > Why not include in JASON and SPECTRUM the position A1A? Now there's > USB and LSB but I use all-time A1A with a bandpass filter (IF) from > 100 Hz. > > Staf ON6RR > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24465 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 12:57:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 12:57:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpnQu-000C0H-CQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:53:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpnQt-000Bzn-7S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:53:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpnUs-000IQz-1m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:57:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpnSd-0007tk-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:55:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpnSc-0007tb-Vq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:55:22 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpnSa-0003Kv-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:55:22 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CpnSN-0000Xd-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:55:07 +0100 Received: from p50904179.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.65.121] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CpnSM-0007ev-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:55:07 +0100 Message-ID: <41E912BF.1020207@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:55:27 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004f01c4faf7$38448fe0$da7cb9d9@pc> In-Reply-To: <004f01c4faf7$38448fe0$da7cb9d9@pc> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: DF0WD in Hell (??) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Tom, Thanks for the report - better for DF0WD to send "in" Hell instead of going there ... well seriously, someone sent a message in sequential Hell saying "up ?" a few seconds earlier. I thought that was a suggestion to move away from 137.7 kHz just in case Z38AR would show up (which he did, some time later). If you use a transmitter with AF modulation, we could try a two-way contact "in Hell" later today ;-) Regards, Wolf DL4YHF (home at the moment) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56917 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 13:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 13:15:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpnhz-000GBU-CD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:11:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpnhz-000GBP-4T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:11:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cpnlx-000MaP-PP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:15:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpnl4-000809-Ub for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpnl2-000800-DO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:24 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cpnky-0003OY-PL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:24 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF19D4C8A0 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.128] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:03 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg128.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID144JaoNoD1325X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.125] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 703JaoNoB0400M28; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:01 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.125 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E91721.6060908@usa.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:14:09 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> <41E90E58.4020105@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41E90E58.4020105@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID703JaoNoB0400X28 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Staf, I concur completely with what Wolf has said. Both Yaesu and Kenwood (and I suspect Icom too) have the rig switched to USB when using CW. Just the filter width and its position relative to the theoretical carrier do change. So adding a CW choice to the mode would mean just to duplicate the USB settings, with perhaps just a change of center frequency (in Jason). But this can be easily done manually. 73 Alberto I2PHD ---------------------------------------- Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > Hello Staf, > > From a technical point of view, there is only USB and LSB in a > receiver, "CW" is one of these with additional filtering (and a > frequency offset added, the "pitch", usually something like 650...800 > Hz). To use your receiver in "CW" mode, you need to find out if that > is in fact "USB" or "LSB", and add (or subtract) the CW "pitch" to the > display frequency offset. Some rigs have a "CW reverse" mode. What it > is, depends on the manufacturer. My old kenwood uses USB for CW and > LSB for "CW reverse". From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75990 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 13:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 13:25:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpnuJ-000KTC-FB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpnuJ-000KT9-BF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:23:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cpnvz-0006yv-DX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:25:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpnvE-000849-T3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpnvC-000840-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:54 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpnvA-0003Qu-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:24:54 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1Cpnuh-0005KT-Ey for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:24:23 +0100 Received: from p50904179.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.65.121] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cpnuh-0000bA-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:24:23 +0100 Message-ID: <41E919A4.6030805@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:24:52 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Alberto, Thanks for the new version ! The amplitude- and phase adjustment controls work fine, especially because they have an immediate effect on the output while transmitting. A maximum phase error of 0.1° should be good enough for 60 dB suppression of unwanted carrier + sideband, so 0.01° resolution for the control is accurate enough (thinking about the sideband suppression of "commercial" rigs, which are not better). I found for my prototype phasing exciter, the optimum was exactly the default position (both controls in the center). Only one very little suggestion with minimum prioritiy: Show the slider positions as numeric values (for example, as a positive or negative percentage). This makes it simpler to return to the previous settings just in case something went wrong while tweaking, and one could use the same values in other programs too. Closely related subject: When building my phasing exciter, I found the "balance" control of my audigy 2 soundcard has a much finer resolution than displayed on the slider control of the "sndvol32" control panel. But the finest increment steps can be realized by selecting the control, and then using the mouse wheel (up and down). You only see something happening on the screen every X-th step, but using an oscilloscope it is obvious that every step has an effect. Furthermore, you may SEE the "balance" control (in sndvol32.exe) exactly centered (on the screen), but in fact it *may* be not. Calibrating the amplitude balance via software would cure this, but only as long as no other program does not restore the soundcard settings (and set the balance control precisely to the center position) . So much for now, leaving to enjoy the nice WX now ... 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38060 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 18:14:25 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpsNN-000FGw-Je for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:10:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpsNN-000FGf-53 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:10:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpsRJ-00060J-Ns for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:14:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpsQl-000061-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:13:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpsQk-00005s-Rx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:13:46 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpsQi-00043e-5O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:13:46 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D922F4C8CB for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:13:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.129] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:13:26 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID903JaosNA0842X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.125] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 535JaosNy0006M29; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:13:25 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.125 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41E95D47.1070600@usa.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:13:27 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> <41E919A4.6030805@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41E919A4.6030805@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID535JaosNZ0006X29 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > The amplitude- and phase adjustment controls work fine, especially > because they have an immediate effect on the output while > transmitting. A maximum phase error of 0.1° should be good enough for > 60 dB suppression of unwanted carrier + sideband, so 0.01° resolution > for the control is accurate enough (thinking about the sideband > suppression of "commercial" rigs, which are not better). Hi Wolf, yes, for such kind of adjustments to be really useful, they must act in real time, when you change the values, otherwise it will take ages to reach the optimum setting. > Only one very little suggestion with minimum prioritiy: Show the > slider positions as numeric values (for example, as a positive or > negative percentage). This makes it simpler to return to the previous > settings just in case something went wrong while tweaking, and one > could use the same values in other programs too. > Suggestion accepted (citation from "Men in Black"...). If you redownload V0.99 it now has the display of the values next to the sliders. The mod is so small that it didn't justify a change in the version number. > Closely related subject: When building my phasing exciter, I found the > "balance" control of my audigy 2 soundcard has a much finer resolution > than displayed on the slider control of the "sndvol32" control panel. > But the finest increment steps can be realized by selecting the > control, and then using the mouse wheel (up and down). You only see > something happening on the screen every X-th step, but using an > oscilloscope it is obvious that every step has an effect. Furthermore, > you may SEE the "balance" control (in sndvol32.exe) exactly centered > (on the screen), but in fact it *may* be not. Calibrating the > amplitude balance via software would cure this, but only as long as no > other program does not restore the soundcard settings (and set the > balance control precisely to the center position) . > The problem is that the sound card, and all of the accompanying system software are meant as add-on for *games*. Full stop. No other use is even contemplated by the "product managers"... so we have to live with what is adequate, useful and compatible with games. And given the sensitivity of the human ears, a finer adjustment display in the Windows mixer would be an over-kill... > So much for now, leaving to enjoy the nice WX now ... You lucky man.... we are having dense fog since three days by now... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45631 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 20:56:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 20:56:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpuu7-0002vM-TZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:52:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpuu7-0002vI-OV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:52:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cpuy3-000D5P-A1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:56:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpuvb-0000LV-6q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:53:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpuva-0000LM-S6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:53:46 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpuvX-0004Px-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:53:46 +0000 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CpuvL-00048M-05; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:53:31 +0100 Received: from HW1 (rCfpwuZQ8ejlrcJr8mXvjkoE0ypyTBX19QplIts-ak3kwq5hTxmu6s@[80.144.126.230]) by fwd09.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CpuvG-0XIZCC0; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:53:26 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:53:30 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <217743554.20050115215330@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: rCfpwuZQ8ejlrcJr8mXvjkoE0ypyTBX19QplIts-ak3kwq5hTxmu6s X-TOI-MSGID: 5b895e70-b695-41c0-b948-2d8ff5bf1175 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: EU activity on 137.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Much activity on 137.7 kHz today. Saw DF6NM, DL2HRE, G3XDV, OH1TN, OK1DTN, OK1DWF, OK2BVG, RU6LA, S57A and Z38AV. Captures can be seen: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32416 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 22:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 22:44:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpwdT-000KI9-5C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:43:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpwdS-000KI1-Hw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:43:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Cpwf5-0002Up-5v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:44:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpwby-0000XV-RP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:41:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpwby-0000XM-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:41:38 +0000 Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.118]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cpwbv-0004dE-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:41:38 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050115224118.EEIL2405.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:41:18 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.67.224]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050115224117.NQIE23571.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:41:17 +1300 Message-ID: <001401c4fb53$59f6f270$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> <41E90E58.4020105@freenet.de> <41E91721.6060908@usa.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:41:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.118 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: CW-R and IF shift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alberto, Wolf and others, > I concur completely with what Wolf has said. Both Yaesu and Kenwood (and > I suspect Icom too) have the > rig switched to USB when using CW. No, it seems Icom designs use LSB for the "CW" mode. Certainly the Icom IC-R75 needs to use CW-R to faithfully translate the RF FSK to AFSK. It is easy to test a receiver, by using a signal generator as a test signal. Leave the receiver tuning alone and adjust the frequency of the signal generator, and it soon becomes apparent whether CW or CW-R setting is appropriate for the data mode of interest. It is mentally more challenging to use an existing carrier (or a fixed frequency signal generator) and tune the receiver to observe the change in sidetone, as that activity involves an "apparent reverse effect". Receivers with IF shift can slew the narrow IF passband (of a so-called CW filter) to the appropriate IF centre frequency for a data mode such as Jason. On receivers that have no readout of IF shift, it is a bit more tricky to set it for receiving a DX signal, as the desired signal (as detected and sent to the loudspeaker) may not be audible in the noise, in which case it is essential to pre-set the dial frequency and IF shift to be right on the expected frequency to be received. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17124 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2005 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2005 22:56:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpwoX-000MTb-Tf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:54:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpwoX-000MTY-Pc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:54:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CpwqA-0005y7-Dz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:56:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpwpQ-0000cX-IT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:55:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpwpQ-0000cO-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:55:32 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpwpN-0004gN-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:55:32 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CpwpC-0001Ug-00; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:55:18 +0100 Received: from HW1 (rAdrTGZSQelis2qtBPUObKgg-QIkGvnKWiSNXqJl7jyBuS45JBIEQq@[80.144.126.230]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Cpwp0-0Byj680; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:55:06 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:55:11 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88284 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 00:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 00:15:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpy3P-000ECM-2O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:14:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpy3O-000ECE-GY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:14:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cpy50-0006Ve-E8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:15:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpy2b-0000mF-0H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:13:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpy2a-0000m6-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:13:12 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cpy2Y-0004qv-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:13:12 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1Cpy2C-0000LS-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:12:48 +0100 Received: from www4.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.201]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cpy2C-0005Ea-4t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:12:48 +0100 Received: from www-data by www4.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.34 1 (Panther_1)) id 1Cpy2B-0003J6-D4 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:12:47 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 212.185.226.64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:12:47 +0100 X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178,PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.185 Subject: LF: CFH... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message... just made very funny noises instead of the MSK(?)-modulation, sounded a bit like slow CW, and went QRT a bit later.

Just before it was very strong here. Someone blew the tubes / fuses then ;-)

73, Wolf DF0WD / DL4YHF .

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77136 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 01:10:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 01:10:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpyu8-000PPt-AA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:08:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cpyu7-000PPh-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:08:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cpyvj-000Bv7-JK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:10:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cpyua-0000ui-2L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:09:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpyuZ-0000uZ-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:08:59 +0000 Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.207]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpyuW-0004xx-4n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:08:59 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.92.1e4404aa (4328) for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <92.1e4404aa.2f1b1896@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:08:38 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.207 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: CFH... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Wolf,

hmmm - I must confess this could have been me. I did some experiments tuning up with different audio tones and levels around midnight UT. I think CFH went off air a couple of minutes before that.

Good night
de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 16.01.2005 01:15:55 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt dl4yhf@freenet.de:

... just made very funny noises instead of the MSK(?)-modulation, sounded a bit like slow CW, and went QRT a bit later.

Just before it was very strong here. Someone blew the tubes / fuses then ;-)

73, Wolf DF0WD / DL4YHF .



 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24460 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 02:05:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 02:05:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpzjL-000IBw-Hz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:01:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CpzjL-000IBt-FG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:01:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CpznE-000D5w-Py for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:05:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CpzkZ-00012q-Fj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:02:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CpzkZ-00012h-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:02:43 +0000 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CpzkW-00054v-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:02:43 +0000 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA8VU2TA7B2QEA for (sender ); Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:01:53 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewM0dVUUv3fe6dwKmKREt6u7dtJ0AklXt0A== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KHFA5N73; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:01:48 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: <20050115.210140.2476.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 6:3:586431234 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of juno.com designates 64.136.30.74 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: off topic Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
A real tip of the hat to the ESA and the landing on Titan
has anyone looked into the audio from Titan ,, using Spec Lab
to see if there are any uhhh things there
 
fantastic Day
 
Bob K3DJC
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52993 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 02:24:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 02:24:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq02C-000Lmo-1t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:20:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq02B-000Lml-UJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:20:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq065-0005JX-5n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:24:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq04q-000185-4C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:23:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq04p-00017w-L6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:23:39 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cq04k-00057e-Ug for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:23:39 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050116022317.QFDI9979.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c4fb72$7e4c7540$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:24:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: West Coast NA activity... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Both VE7SL and VE7TIL where activite today working cross band CW contacts on 2200m/80m today.
 
Stations worked included:
VE7XF - Delta, BC and about 30Km from TIL
VE7VB - Victoria, BC, about 100Km from TIL
 
Reception reports from:
AA7U, SE OR at ~730KM!
 
Steve and I will later 'shatter' the Canadian 2200m CW distance record by finally having a formal CW QSO on 2200m.
 
I hope this is enough to make Mal smile ;-)
 
All in all a good day!
 
Thanks to those that responded!
 
73 Scott
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61026 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 08:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 08:50:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq65M-0008rB-D3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:48:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq65L-0008qc-41 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:48:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq66u-0005tl-5i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:50:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq63c-00030e-Gx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:46:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq63c-00030V-6B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:46:48 +0000 Received: from smtp4.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.27]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cq63Z-0003RB-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:46:48 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0407.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4F2971C003E3 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:46:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ASte-Genev-Bois-113-1-5-5.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.51.184.5]) by mwinf0407.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 06DE51C003DA for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:46:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050116084624283.06DE51C003DA@mwinf0407.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <41EA29DB.5080502@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:46:19 +0100 From: "Jean-L. RAULT" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> <41E90E58.4020105@freenet.de> <41E91721.6060908@usa.net> <001401c4fb53$59f6f270$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> In-Reply-To: <001401c4fb53$59f6f270$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.27 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of wanadoo.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: CW-R and IF shift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) The ICOM IC-738 HF transceiver is switched to LSB when using CW mode So does the ICOM PCR1000 general purpose receiver. The ICOM IC-821H VHF/UHF transceiver is switched to USB when using CW mode. 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR > > >> I concur completely with what Wolf has said. Both Yaesu and Kenwood >> (and I suspect Icom too) have the >> rig switched to USB when using CW. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68005 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 09:15:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 09:15:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq6Re-000137-Q1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:11:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq6Re-00012p-7U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:11:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq6VU-000LIk-MT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:15:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq6Ue-00036m-RP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:14:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq6Ue-00036d-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:14:44 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cq6Uc-0003VF-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:14:44 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1Cq6UK-0007ow-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:14:24 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e240.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.226.64] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cq6UK-0007kO-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:14:24 +0100 Message-ID: <41EA307D.60802@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:14:37 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <92.1e4404aa.2f1b1896@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <92.1e4404aa.2f1b1896@aol.com> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: CFH... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Markus, Well, don't think your test emissions were related with the disappearing of CFH... ;-) No seriously, I wore headphones at that moment and listened to the "full band" with 2.7 RX bandwidth. CFH was clearly audible with its MSK-type transmission, which suddenly turned into a carrier on one of the former "signal frequencies". But my hope that it would stay that way (for precise field strength measurements) didn't come true, because some minutes later the carrier disappeared too. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72660 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 09:18:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 09:18:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq6UV-0001eu-49 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:14:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq6UU-0001ee-92 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:14:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq6YK-000M4n-Nd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:18:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq6YE-0003AU-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:18:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq6YE-0003AL-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Bob, Of course there will be a SpecTER in the display ;-) Besides this, fantastic pictures on the news considering the distance they travelled via radio wave --- not comparable with the screens we produce on LF ... 73, Wolf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16421 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 09:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 09:27:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; 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Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:26:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c4fba8$934581e0$a2e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:50:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.63 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF ACTY Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    Hi All
A screen full of acty all weekend on QRS but nothing heard on normal CW, although all signals are audible with me and perfectly workable on CW.
Best dx RU6LA 569 and Z38AR 559 both on QRS, plus an assortment of EU stns
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43303 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 09:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 09:58:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq79S-000N1E-8k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:56:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq79R-000N17-QR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:56:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq7B0-000CNx-6J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:58:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq78h-0003KM-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:56:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq78h-0003KD-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:56:07 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cq78a-0003bZ-MS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:56:07 +0000 Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050116095546.XXTV24912.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:55:46 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050116095545.EBBH3760.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:55:45 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:55:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41EA3A1F.17345.BB262E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832 Subject: LF: Activity Sat 16 Jan Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Nine countries active on one day!

CW heard from DK7SU (439) and F6BWO (549).

The UA6 and M3 expeditions generated a fantastic amount of QRSS3 activity until well into the night. Stations logged included: OK1BVG ('O'), Z38AV ('O'), YO1IS ('T'), DL2HRE ('O'), OK1DWF ('M'), S57A ('O'), DF6NM ('O'), M0BMU ('O'), RU6LA ('O'), OH1TN/OH5UFO ('O'), DM2BHG?? ('M').

Worked RU6LA, but had to change to QRSS10 to complete; this is a repeat of my best ever two-way DX at 2823km. Called M32AV (and various variants) for several hours but no reply. Even tried QRSS10, but they did not seem to be monitoring for anything other than QRSS3. Bed at 0100UTC.

Mike, G3XDV

http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47331 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 10:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 10:00:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq7BS-000NVZ-CT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:58:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq7BS-000NVQ-5R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:58:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq7D0-000KSB-PE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:00:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq7Cz-0003P8-Ku for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:00:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq7Cz-0003Oz-AQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:00:33 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cq7Cw-0003co-UT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:00:33 +0000 Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050116100016.YXXS15581.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:00:16 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050116100016.EJYC3760.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:00:16 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:00:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832 Subject: LF: VO1NA on QRSS3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Excellent DX conditions when I switched on this morning. VO1NA's QRSS30 could easily be read with Argo switched to QRSS3. Propagation seemed completely stable for over an hour and a complete callsign was recorded. Ideal conditions for a QSO, if only EU stations were being received anything like as well across the pond. Is this an ERP issue, I wonder? See http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk for the amazing pictures. Mike, G3XDV ============ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92428 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 10:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 10:11:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq7MD-000PYh-PO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:10:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq7MD-000PYe-Mm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:10:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq7Nm-000C1y-8i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:11:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq7Mx-0003TP-Av for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:10:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cq7Mw-0003TG-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:10:50 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cq7Ms-0003eB-LI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:10:50 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Cq7Mg-0001An-04; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:10:34 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Zwsm5vZGoegasSPF+ou5uQgyuH7ax1DwyQ54qG9veWytHfPaB92DrP@[80.144.104.185]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Cq7MT-2KG4lE0; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:10:21 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:10:16 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <175122983.20050116111016@t-online.de> To: Mike Dennison In-Reply-To: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Zwsm5vZGoegasSPF+ou5uQgyuH7ax1DwyQ54qG9veWytHfPaB92DrP X-TOI-MSGID: ec97a184-a7a6-4e2b-b5a1-384e43c5017b X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA on QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Ideal conditions for a QSO, if only EU stations were being > received anything like as well across the pond. Is this an > ERP issue, I wonder? I captured Joe, VO1NA with a report for G3LDO around 0130-0200z. WD2XES and WD2XGJ were also visible with a good signal here. Captures can be seen: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47884 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 13:52:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 13:52:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqAlV-000AX9-0Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:48:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqAlU-000AX6-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:48:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqApJ-000ES2-8A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:52:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqAk0-0003rz-Gd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:46:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqAk0-0003rq-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:46:52 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqAjx-0003yO-IJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:46:52 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CqAjk-0002bN-0B; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:46:36 +0100 Received: from HW1 (XNsCRvZUweyNTqgjvuNdiJIK-VVXcGVprdS41OxUArxKMVS5mrPTwI@[80.144.104.185]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CqAja-276ThY0; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:46:26 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:46:24 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <146998915.20050116144624@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: XNsCRvZUweyNTqgjvuNdiJIK-VVXcGVprdS41OxUArxKMVS5mrPTwI X-TOI-MSGID: b310886c-df8d-41b2-82dd-70e9b1a11470 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.19 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Test G3YXM? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060101090009080709080501" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060101090009080709080501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The attached nice hell image captured 1327z. I'm not sure about the last letter of the callsign. 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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Scott, Good luck with breaking the Canadian CW distance record... I think it stands at 10 km so far. Keep up the great work Joe VO1NA > 73 Scott > Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' in CN89lg at: > www.scottboxx.com/radio > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23233 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 14:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 14:37:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqBTQ-000JDD-Un for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:33:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqBTQ-000JDA-RZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:33:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqBXF-000FYD-2u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:37:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqBX0-00045U-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:37:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqBWz-00045L-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:37:29 +0000 Received: from imo-m19.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.11]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqBWw-00044q-VL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:37:29 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.1d8.34c448cd (25098) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:37:07 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.34c448cd.2f1bd613@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:37:07 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.11 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: West Coast NA activity... 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In a message dated 16/01/2005 14:29:20 GMT Standard Time, jcraig@mun.ca writes:
Hi Scott,

Good luck with breaking the Canadian CW distance record... I
think it stands at 10 km so far. Keep up the great work

Joe VO1NA
I think it's probably Mitch in London Ontario to Larry Kayser. What distance is that, 200km+?
 
73
 
David
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18658 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqCKF-0004W9-Dk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:28:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqCKE-0004Vx-UW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:28:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqCO2-0001fd-PK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:32:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqCLk-0004Fs-6C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:29:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqCLj-0004Fj-Pf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:29:55 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqCLg-0004BH-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:29:55 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.145.3d46eb7f (25098) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:29:34 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <145.3d46eb7f.2f1be25d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:29:33 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.2 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: West Coast NA activity... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 16/01/2005 14:29:20 GMT Standard Time, jcraig@mun.ca writes:
Hi Scott,

Good luck with breaking the Canadian CW distance record... I
think it stands at 10 km so far. Keep up the great work

Joe VO1NA
Looks like the previous QSO between Mitch and Larry was QRSS. Not sure if they made it after this using CW.
 
This report from the ARRL site archive.
 
Canadian lowfers report first 136 kHz QSO: Larry Kayser, VA3LK, and Mitch Powell, VE3OT, report that, despite poor to medium conditions, they successfully completed the first two-way QSO in Canada on 136 kHz at 1400 UTC on July 22. The distance was 431 km (268 miles). The pair used very slow-speed CW--QRSS--where dits are 3 seconds long and dahs are 9 seconds long! VA3LK and VE3OT have received special letters of authorization for LF testing and evaluation. Frequency range is 135.7 to 137.8, emissions permitted include CW, FSK and BPSK at a bandwidth of up to 3 kHz. Powell says VA3LK is operating on 137.710 kHz and he is on 137.780 kHz. More information on LF Amateur Radio is available on the Radio Amateurs of Canada Web site.--Mitch Powell, VE3OT/RAC
 
73
 
David
 
 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33742 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 16:26:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 16:26:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDAO-000Fbd-6P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:22:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDAN-000FbQ-OH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:22:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqDEB-0006Iw-7O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:26:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDCy-0004P9-3e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:24:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDCv-0004P0-GN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:24:53 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqDCr-0004J9-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:24:53 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC3FA5 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:24:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.129] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:24:28 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID495JaPqyC5540X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.63] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 219JaPqyA0288M29; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:24:26 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.63 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41EA9543.9040205@usa.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:24:35 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> <41E90E58.4020105@freenet.de> <41E91721.6060908@usa.net> <001401c4fb53$59f6f270$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> In-Reply-To: <001401c4fb53$59f6f270$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID219JaPqyb0288X29 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: CW-R and IF shift Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Bob, thanks for your information about the Icom rigs. The message from Jean-Louis seems to imply that Icom is not consistent in all of their rigs on that choice. I find much useful, to not make confusion, to use a graphical approach (in my mind): I just imagine the filter shape of the radio, with the suppressed carrier indicated by a red point, and the signal carrier as a vertical line which I mentally mode toward the red point. This line will or will not pass through the filter shape depending on the filter position relative to the red point. So, listening to the note coming from the speaker, I can, based also on the value of the initial position of that line, judge whether the filter is placed above or below the red point indicating the theoretical carrier... A bit complicated to explain in words, much more easier to picture in the mind. 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45741 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 16:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 16:40:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDOC-000Idt-79 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:36:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDOA-000IdT-Tj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:36:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqDRy-000CBY-BQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDPx-0004UV-QQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:38:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDPx-0004UM-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:38:21 +0000 Received: from simmts7.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.165] helo=simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqDPt-0004LF-T3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:38:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.179.85]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050116163751.CVR1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:37:51 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:40:37 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: lowfer@lwca.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 206.47.199.165 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sympatico.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: coast to coast condx Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good morning all: Found a number of interesting ARGO captures this morning receiving coast-to-coast stations from VE7TIL sine wave to solid VO1NA. Looks like at least six stations with one more being unidentified. Using 10 ft diameter/16 turn/ remotely tuned (varactor) loop at 7 meters and R75. Enjoy at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/six137.jpg 73 Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85750 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 16:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 16:50:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDXi-000KpJ-3i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:46:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDXi-000KpG-0t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:46:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqDbV-000BMS-BV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:50:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDab-0004aw-Fv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:49:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDaY-0004ad-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:49:18 +0000 Received: from h34.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.84] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqDaW-0004NK-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:49:18 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.229.72) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.6) id 41C8D7BF002D6E10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:48:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c4fbe6$6b5fb220$48e5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:07:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA on QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: LF: VO1NA on QRSS3 > Excellent DX conditions when I switched on this morning. > VO1NA's QRSS30 could easily be read with Argo switched > to QRSS3. Propagation seemed completely stable for over > an hour and a complete callsign was recorded. > > Ideal conditions for a QSO, if only EU stations were being > received anything like as well across the pond. Is this an > ERP issue, I wonder? Its not a problem. I had several xband QSO'S a couple of years ago with the USA stns and VE1ZJ and ZZ. I was TX on 137 khz and the Transatlantic stns replied on 7025 khz CW. VE1ZJ copied my sigs at 1sec dot solid. At that time there was no one TXING from the W/VE on LF otherwise I would have made a QSO with both on LF. Its a question of getting the act together for a QSO. I can RX all the Transatlantic signals at present and a QSO is certainly possible if anyone was really making an effort. At present I am not TXING on LF, I have diverted my attention to 160 m dxing. The beacon business is going nowhere, same old thing night after night. G3KEV > > See http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk for the amazing pictures. > > Mike, G3XDV > ============ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85815 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 16:50:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 16:50:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDa1-000Otu-0p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:48:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDZz-000Osr-LD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:48:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqDbV-000BMX-FU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:50:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDab-0004av-Fh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:49:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDaY-0004ah-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:49:18 +0000 Received: from h34.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.84] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqDaW-0004NL-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:49:18 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.229.72) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.6) id 41C8D7BF002D6E13 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:49:00 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c4fbe6$6c1853c0$48e5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006901c4fa2c$fc275e40$0702a8c0@parissn2> <41E847FE.8030107@usa.net> <001101c4faf8$ec28b260$53c9c354@pc2> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:13:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Staf Rans
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:54 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Jason V0.99 with I/Q outputs

Hello Alberto,
 
Why not include in JASON and SPECTRUM the position A1A? Now there's USB and LSB but I use all-time A1A with a bandpass filter (IF) from 100 Hz.
 
I always use the CW posn on my RX  to take advantage of the narrow IF CW filter, this is followed by an external DSP unit.
It works well and I can hear and see anything that MOVES !!
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
 
Staf   ON6RR
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74622 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 16:53:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 16:53:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDd5-000Pka-8j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:51:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDd4-000PkU-NF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:51:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqDea-000CWm-Oz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:53:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDeS-0004ic-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:53:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqDeS-0004iT-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:53:20 +0000 Received: from simmts5.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.163] helo=simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqDeP-0004Pi-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:53:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.172.112]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050116165300.XFGF1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:53:00 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:55:47 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: lowfer@lwca.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <145.3d46eb7f.2f1be25d@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 206.47.199.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sympatico.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: West Coast NA activity... Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Re: LF: West Coast NA activity...

Looks like the previous QSO between Mitch and Larry was QRSS. Not sure if they made it after this using CW.

Hi David:
Let me add to the confusion  ! !
Larry and I had our QSO at some variable speed between QRSS1 and QRSS 3 - in other words we were
both using a hand key and mentally counting the dots and dashes as " 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi 3 Mississippi -
so, you get the idea. The timing was variable, and dependent on how much adrenaline was flowing at the
moment - ha!
In addition the software we were using was SPECTROGRAM - which was necessary as the signals
were close to the noise level at that time of day ( mid-afternoon ).
Both stations were using single FET amplifiers, running between 50 and 75 watts input and using hand keys.

Scott and Steve certainly can claim their first CW (  audible ) QSO.
Congratulations guys...... and I'm pleased to finally copy Scott on 137 this morning.
I have previously copied Steve when he has been on "the island".

How are the dogs David ?

73
Mitch

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64095 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 17:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 17:28:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqEBD-0006ss-UO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqEBD-0006sp-S4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqECj-000CNz-NV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:28:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqEBZ-0004s6-QU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqEBZ-0004rx-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from bay102-f34.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.44] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqEBS-0004Um-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:27:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:26:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:26:41 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 17:27:08.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B125810:01C4FBF0] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.44 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: RE: [LW] coast to coast condx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Nice capture Mitch - >From Oklahoma, at present, signals from Eu hams on 137Khz are still going to be well below rx threshold, qrss or cw...still "poor" conditions in my book. Pretty disturbed on Auroral fringing paths. DCF39 sorts of path would indicate that ham signals are around 25dB below readable signals on argo at 1W erp limits here at the moment. Suprised my CW message and DFCW signals are readble in the UK fm Mals extraordinary QTH... Laurence KL1X/5 >From: Mitch Powell >Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org >To: >CC: >Subject: [LW] coast to coast condx >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:40:37 -0500 > >Good morning all: >Found a number of interesting ARGO captures this morning >receiving coast-to-coast stations from VE7TIL sine wave to >solid VO1NA. Looks like at least six stations with one more >being unidentified. Using 10 ft diameter/16 turn/ remotely >tuned (varactor) loop at 7 meters and R75. Enjoy at: >http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/six137.jpg > >73 >Mitch VE3OT > > > >________________________________________ >File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before >opening! >To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90475 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 17:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 17:48:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqESR-0007z2-1H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:45:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqESQ-0007yz-Uv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:44:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqEWD-000PH1-MO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:48:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqETy-0004yr-Eo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqETx-0004yi-UA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:33 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqETu-0004XK-UL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:33 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DEE7806D; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:10 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID197JaPRUk6372X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.63] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 589JaPRUH0094M36; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:08 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.63 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41EAA864.4030907@usa.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:46:12 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hifer@lwca.org, lowfer@lwca.org, LF Mailing List Cc: uli@df5sf-qrp.de References: <41213169.7030604@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41213169.7030604@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID589JaPRUi0094X36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=0.843,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: LF: OT : Jason on the 30m band Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000605010109020508050706" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_14,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000605010109020508050706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everybody,

  I received a message from Uli Henzler DF5SF, who does not subscribe to any of the
reflectors whom this message is addressed to, the notice of a QRP transmission starting
this Sunday evening in Jason fast mode. He asks for reception reports.
Here are the details :
------------------------
The transmission will start this evening at 19:00 UTC until Friday, 22:00 UTC.
I have modified the JASON (FAST-Mode) session:
beginning with a 60(!) second long center frequency carrier (for tuning, after 30 sec interrupted
with my CWID) and then " DF5SF <message 6 characters> "
If I have time I change the message every day at abt. 19:00 UTC, but not shure. 
The center frequency is 10.140.125 +- 2 Hz    For further details see the attachment.

My equipment:
DDS-VFO with ATMEL AT90S2313 and AD9835 (Kit from www.qrpproject.de) with oven
controlled oscillator, the "PA" is a video amplifier AD811.
Power is abt 90mW into a magnetic loop from MFJ, diameter abt 1m.

So lets look what happens
-- 
73/72 de
Uli Henzler     DF5SF
Hohenzollernstr.4
D-72766 Reutlingen-Mittelstadt
http://www.df5sf-qrp.de
email: uli@df5sf-qrp.de
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73  Alberto  I2PHD
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required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

my nearest neighbour Walter (DJ2LF) will run his DI2AG MF-beacon at 3W ERP again tonight from 2200 to 0800, QRSS30 on 440044.16 Hz.

There was a trace on Steve's Grabulator II around 1540 this afternoon, but judging by the time of day it seems unlikely that this actually was the beacon. We will try to autodownload Argo grabs through the night from whoever may be willing to post them. However w3eee/.../Argo_2.jpg appears to have stopped at 1614.

Many thanks to all who were and will be looking.

73 and good luck

Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81014 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 18:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 18:33:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqF9F-000I6Q-OZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:29:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqF9F-000I6N-Kw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:29:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqFD1-0001gF-Sj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:33:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqFD0-0005E7-WA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:33:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqFCy-0005Dy-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:33:04 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqFCu-0004fm-PX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:33:04 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.63.124 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 18:32:40 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c4fbf9$7836c3e0$7c3f8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:28:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.139 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Z38 / TA / Jason Fast Turbo Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030101030808080409070902" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030101030808080409070902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear LF Group,
 
Seems to have been a busy weekend on LF, with many stations QRV. Z38AR and Z38AV were putting excellent QRSS signals into the UK much of the time, allthough working them was a bit difficult due to a mix of QRM and QSB at my end. Lots of other good signals seen from RU6LA, HA6PC, and several others, allthough I did not call them because G3XDV was trying very hard to work the Z3 stns, and being only about 10km apart and within 100Hz, we tend to anihilate each other on receive!
 
I also saw the best signals for some time from VO1NA, "XES" and "XGJ" - VO1NA would have been solid copy at QRSS3 quite a lot of the time - see attachment from around 0700 this morning.
 
This afternoon I had a nice QSO with DF0WD using Alberto's new "Jason Fast Turbo" mode, which has a capability of around 6 words per minute, so should appeal to "non-CW" stations. It is suitable for class D PAs, and subjectively seems to work with similar signal levels to CW - if there is a good audible signal, you get almost perfect copy, while if the signal is down in the noise and barely audible you still get some copy, allthough obviously not as good as with the slower Jason modes.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
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Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 20:07:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqGcd-000HTb-8y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:03:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqGcd-000HTY-1R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:03:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqGgP-000OMw-1R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:07:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqGdr-0005Wp-5c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:04:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqGdq-0005Wg-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 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charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I am currently updating some of the antenna material in the RSGB Radio Communications Handbook. I have a question about SWR meters. In my early days of amateur radio I didn't have an SWR meter. I obtained some idea of antenna/feeder mismatch by using a multiple of half wavelength of coax and measuring the antenna feed Z using the Pi output capacitor (suitably calibrated) of the transmitter. At about the same time I was a RADAR technition in the RAF. When a magnetron was replaced on 3cm equipment (H2S) the SWR had to be measured using SWR meter. This comprised a small red neon tube, the sides of which were calibrated, like a thermometer, in SWR. As the tube was moved in a slot along the waveguide the maximum and minimum voltage could be seen (VSWR). The coax SWR meter can only detect voltage, current and phase. If you replace the antenna with a 200ohm resistor it will register an SWR of 2:1 even though there is no transmission line. From this only conclusion I can come to is that the standard SWR meter measures voltage, current and phase from which SWR is implied. So of all the radial scaled parameters to be found on the cursor of a Smith Chart why did someone settle for SWR?. Was a true SWR meter used in the days when radio engineers started feeding transmitters via long lengths of open wire feeder and became the standard measurement of antenna/feeder mismatch? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42034 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 20:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 20:36:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqH71-000Nf6-61 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:35:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqH71-000Nf3-3O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:35:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqH8V-0003SA-Pa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:36:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqH8W-0005fT-TN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:36:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqH8W-0005fK-Ew for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:36:36 +0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqH8T-0004yP-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:36:36 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.6d.3cc3ce4d (4214); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:36:13 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.3cc3ce4d.2f1c2a3d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:36:13 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: DI2AG@fen-net.de MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.157.38 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: DI2AG frequency Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear José and LF Group,

Walter has made a couple of minor changes to his beacon setup:

- the frequency is now 440044.000 Hz, locked to UTC(PTB) via ZDF-TV line frequency, which should be better than 1 part in 10e8,

- a gap has been inserted between the fast-cw id and the beginning of the qrss message (tnx EA1PX).

73 de Walter, DJ2LF and Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42113 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 20:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 20:36:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqH4m-000O8j-M4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:32:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqH4m-000O8a-90 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:32:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqH8Y-0003SL-2E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:36:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqH7P-0005fE-Hs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:35:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqH7P-0005f5-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:35:27 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqH7K-0004yC-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:35:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 16352 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 20:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2005 20:35:06 -0000 Message-ID: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:34:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I've been tinkering with a phasing exciter that uses easy-to-get parts and produces a very clean signal from the sound card quadrature outputs in Jason and SpecLab. A preliminary schematic (hand-drawn, DL4YHF quality ) is at: http://www.w1tag.com/files/Exciter.jpg The "left" and "right" inputs from the sound card are at the upper left. A 4X L.O. input is at the lower left. The output on the right is +8 dBm for a 1.5 volt p-p audio input. Power is 12 VDC, not critical, but stay above 11 VDC. Present specs at +9 dBm output are: Carrier: > 65 dB suppression LSB: > 52 dB suppression All other: > 50 dB below the carrier. I'll get this drawn and written up later in the week. Questions about my sanity are welcome. Credit is due VK3BHR for several ideas in the article posted at: http://ironbark.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/~rice/ssb/ssb.html John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48056 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 21:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 21:30:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqHxG-0009sa-Qh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqHxG-0009sS-8C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqHyk-00011T-Ju for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqHwH-0005y6-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:28:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqHwF-0005xx-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:27:59 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqHwA-00057o-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:27:59 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.109.83 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 21:27:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c4fc11$e6b3c080$7c3f8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:23:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.198 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Peter, LF Group, I think the mathematical theory of transmission lines evolved with the appearance of long-distance telegraph lines, but measuring standing waves could only have become practical with the appearance of HF radio. In some pre-war papers I have seen descriptions of little trolleys carrying thermocouple ammeters that could be pulled along an open-wire line (there is a rather vague description in Terman's "Radio Engineering"), and I guess this is what led to Mr Smith producing his chart around the 1930s. This really came into its own with the development of VHF, UHF and microwaves, when bridge impedance measuring techniques became impractical and it became possible to fit a long enough piece of transmission line on a bench top - hence the slotted line, in coaxial and waveguide forms. With the slotted line, you can measure complex impedances quite accurately by measuring SWR and the position of the maxima or minima, using effectively just a piece of transmission line with a moving probe and a diode voltmeter. Of course, the Smith chart was the ideal device for doing the calculations in pre-computer days, so I suppose that is the importance of the SWR scale on the chart. I used a coaxial slotted line in one job I had (1980s), mainly just to measure SWR though (at about 1GHz). There was also network analysers available, but that was regarded as overkill with an expensive bit of kit just to measure SWR. At the university where I work, I sometimes supervise students doing an experiment with an ancient Rohde and Schwarz slotted line, the main point of which is to show that standing waves exist, although the Smith chart usually stumps them completely! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: g3ldo To: Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: LF: SWR-off topic > I am currently updating some of the antenna material in the RSGB Radio > Communications Handbook. > I have a question about SWR meters... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50622 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 21:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 21:30:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqHuz-000BDw-Ho for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:26:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqHuz-000BDr-7t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:26:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqHyk-00011S-Jw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqHxc-0005yJ-4Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqHxZ-0005yA-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:21 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqHxW-000581-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:21 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CqHx2-0003Ng-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:28:48 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e89e.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.232.158] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CqHx2-0005LC-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:28:48 +0100 Message-ID: <41EADCD8.1050806@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:30:00 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi John, Nice drawing, and much more complete than my "sketch" hi.. One question... Was the L.O. using 74AC74 + 74AC08 better than the simple 74 HC 107 method ? ...and one suggestion: To eliminate the need to adjust the offset voltage for the 4 input opamps, simply use AC-coupling. I found this very cute to reduce the number of trimpots to the minimum (namely zero). The TL084 which I used had an output offset error near 7 mV, the AC coupling (0.22 uF) between the OPAMP output and mixer input completely eliminates this. The 2.5 V bias for the switches was provided with a simple voltage divider from the 5 V supply. So much for today, further experiments will follow soon. Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19723 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 22:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 22:04:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqIRv-000LUo-Af for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:00:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqIRv-000LUl-85 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:00:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqIVg-000D8s-FU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:04:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqIUS-0006Y2-1k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqIUR-0006Xt-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:19 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqIUP-0005Fk-1g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:03:19 +0000 Received: (qmail 20187 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 22:03:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2005 22:03:00 -0000 Message-ID: <007001c4fc17$0d75fc60$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> <41EADCD8.1050806@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:02:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf, > Was the L.O. using 74AC74 + 74AC08 better than the simple 74 HC 107 method ? No! I had done the 74/08 section before you produced the schematic for the HC107. It is simpler. Is that dual-JK version fairly glitch-free? One other note at this point. I attempted to use a CD4017B, but it just wasn't fast enough to provide good carrier and sideband suppression. This is definitely a project for HC or AC logic. > ...and one suggestion: > To eliminate the need to adjust the offset voltage for the 4 input > opamps, simply use AC-coupling. I found this very cute to reduce the > number of trimpots to the minimum (namely zero)... Yes, but I wondered if the switch operation would be cleaner without the charging and discharging of the caps. I can put some in there and see if it makes a difference. Stay tuned! Available playing time is limited this week... John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25907 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 22:08:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqIW4-000MPt-8M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:05:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqIW4-000MPl-48 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:05:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqIZp-000Nw8-7q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:08:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqIZa-0006bn-1U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:08:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqIZZ-0006be-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:08:37 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqIZX-0005HQ-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:08:37 +0000 Received: from aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050116220817.HZEB24912.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:08:17 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.188.1]) by aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050116220816.ZHIJ7271.aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:08:16 +0000 Message-ID: <002201c4fc18$3c0fce60$01bc0150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:08:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.026 Subject: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I do not think there is a "true" SWR meter which can work by measuring things at only one point on a transmission line. SWR is a ratio and can only be indicated by making a set up which responds to it and even then only by empirical calibration - I think. The average meter samples the voltage across the line,applies it to a variable resistor in series with a switch. It also indicates the current in the centre conductor by a parallel conductor which has current by induction. The switch can put these things in series addition or in series subtraction. At that stage the meter indicates nothing meaningful. To calibrate for say 50 ohms needs connecting a pure 50 ohm resistor as a load and then adjusting the variable resistor so that the meter reads zero when in the subtracting mode "reverse". .The voltage sample and the current sample are obviously equal but opposite in phase. The meter zero needs marking as SWR =1 .and meter fullscale marked as infinity. The meter itself needs a potentiometer so that when in addition mode the needle can be set to /full-scale and marked 'infinity' Only now can the meter scale be marked. without any other calibrating resistors. Because if i is the value of the equal currents at SWR 1 then full scale = 2i=infinity SWR 2 will be (2i-i)/(2i+i)= 1/3 scale SWR5 will be (5-1)/(5+1) = 2/3 scale SWR 1.5 will be 1/4 full-scale etc. SWR 7 is at 3/4 scale This is only true for a 50ohm line becausea 50 ohm resistor was used to set it up. The meter can be set up for a 72 ohm line by using a 72ohm dummy load and adjusting the variable resitor across the line. The SWR reading at 3/4 scale will always be correct at 7. So the meter is only an indicator which starts by saying "when we know SWR is 1 we set it to read 1 at meter-reading-zero and all other values can be predicted and premarked on the scale. This list always knows more than I do so if I have misunderstood the question and taught you what you already knew --then ---Sorry! G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: g3ldo To: Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: LF: SWR-off topic > I am currently updating some of the antenna material in the RSGB Radio > Communications Handbook. > I have a question about SWR meters. > In my early days of amateur radio I didn't have an SWR meter. I obtained > some idea of antenna/feeder mismatch by using a multiple of half wavelength > of coax and measuring the antenna feed Z using the Pi output capacitor > (suitably calibrated) of the transmitter. > At about the same time I was a RADAR technition in the RAF. When a magnetron > was replaced on 3cm equipment (H2S) the SWR had to be measured using SWR > meter. This comprised a small red neon tube, the sides of which were > calibrated, like a thermometer, in SWR. As the tube was moved in a slot > along the waveguide the maximum and minimum voltage could be seen (VSWR). > The coax SWR meter can only detect voltage, current and phase. If you > replace the antenna with a 200ohm resistor it will register an SWR of 2:1 > even though there is no transmission line. From this only conclusion I can > come to is that the standard SWR meter measures voltage, current and phase > from which SWR is implied. > So of all the radial scaled parameters to be found on the cursor of a Smith > Chart why did someone settle for SWR?. Was a true SWR meter used in the days > when radio engineers started feeding transmitters via long lengths of open > wire feeder and became the standard measurement of antenna/feeder mismatch? > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31794 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 23:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:10:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJTN-0009l5-J5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:06:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJTN-0009l2-GS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:06:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqJX8-0009P8-8T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:10:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJTU-0006ku-Pe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:06:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJTU-0006kl-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:06:24 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-01.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.71] helo=smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqJTS-0005RI-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:06:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 28888 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 23:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:05:58 -0000 Message-ID: <008401c4fc1f$d90fe5e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> <41EADCD8.1050806@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:05:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf, A quick test of capacitor coupling the op-amps to the HC4066 shows no problems. More research to follow... JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36428 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 23:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:14:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJXO-000AAC-H8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:10:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJXO-000AA9-EO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:10:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqJb9-000Fci-6E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:14:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJas-0006pd-0J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:14:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJar-0006pU-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:14:01 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CqJad-0006y0-OJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:13:51 +0000 Received: from pickmere.demon.co.uk ([158.152.117.143]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CqJac-0006S5-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:13:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:22:00 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. J. Powell" References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> In-Reply-To: <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 194.217.242.92 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pickmere.demon.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In message <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica>, g3ldo writes >I am currently updating some of the antenna material in the RSGB Radio >Communications Handbook. >I have a question about SWR meters. >In my early days of amateur radio I didn't have an SWR meter. I obtained >some idea of antenna/feeder mismatch by using a multiple of half wavelength >of coax and measuring the antenna feed Z using the Pi output capacitor >(suitably calibrated) of the transmitter. >At about the same time I was a RADAR technition in the RAF. When a magnetron >was replaced on 3cm equipment (H2S) Wasn't H2S 10cm equipment? Mike J.Powell From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38521 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 23:14:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:14:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJY2-000AEq-Ik for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:11:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJY2-000AEn-Fb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:11:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqJbn-000Nb7-7V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:14:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJbq-0006qz-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJbp-0006qq-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:01 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqJbn-0005Vc-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:01 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.154.76.21 with poptime) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:14:43 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:14:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <146998915.20050116144624@t-online.de> Thread-Index: AcT70poVGtuDCuFsRuCh0CFEmQMbtQAToaLw X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.138 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: Test G3YXM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Yes Hartmut I was a bit surprised about that too! Some symbol crept into the TX buffer... I was testing my "linear" TX driven by IC735. I have now put the IC735 in an oven to try and stop it drifting. I hope it may be stable enough for Jason soon. 73 Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff Sent: 16 January 2005 13:46 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Test G3YXM? The attached nice hell image captured 1327z. I'm not sure about the last letter of the callsign. Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38534 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 23:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 23:15:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJaK-0007HN-Cy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:13:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqJaK-0007HK-AJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:13:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqJbo-000Epr-0Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJbt-0006rJ-FH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqJbs-0006r7-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:04 +0000 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqJbq-0005Vg-8A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:15:04 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.7f.55a62769 (3964) for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:14:42 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.55a62769.2f1c4f62@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:14:42 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5036 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
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I do not think there is a "true" SWR meter which can work by measuring
things at only one point on a transmission line.
SWR is a ratio and can only be indicated by making a set up which responds
to it and even then only by empirical calibration - I think.
With all due respect, there's nothing magical about SWR.  If the voltage is uniform along the length of a line (ratio 1:1), it is because the line is terminated with a load that matches its characteristic impedance.  If not, then reflections exist because of a mismatch.  The extent of that mismatch will be reflected-- no pun intended-- in the ratio of the voltage at a location where it is maximum along the line (constructive interference between the forward and reflected wave), versus a location where it is at a minimum (destructive interference).
 
The degree of cancellation at the minima is dependent upon the percentage of power being reflected, and the phase relationship between the two waves.  Thus, "true" SWR can only exist where a transmission line is involved.  But even so, it is still only a tool for measurement, an *effect* arising from precisely the same phenomena that are measured by a well constructed reflectometer setup or the power and phase detectors in a network analyzer.
 
When measuring VSWR on a physical transmission line, you need only read the voltage at one of the maxima and the voltage at one of the minima along the line; whereas, with a reflectometer, the sampler (be it terminated loops or bridge) must match the intrinsic impedance of the line to discriminate the direction of power flow accurately, and you must reference the reflected power as a percentage of the forward power (PSWR, if you will) then convert the power ratio to a voltage ratio (VSWR) before you can arrive at a result expressed in the same units.
 
Rigorously speaking, without a transmission line as in Peter's example, it shouldn't be expressed as "SWR" at all; it should be expressed in terms of "return loss."  And yet one is measuring the same fundamental condition either way, so the common nomenclature from the days of measuring "true" VSWR has stuck.
 
John
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53586 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 00:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 00:23:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqKcH-000OCB-1H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:19:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqKcG-000OC7-Qv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:19:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqKg1-0007N3-3p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:23:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqKdj-00077d-0n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:21:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqKdi-00077U-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:21:02 +0000 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqKdg-0005h3-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:21:02 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-115.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.115] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CqKdI-000OSc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:20:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c4fc2a$6bb0ee80$73c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:21:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > >At about the same time I was a RADAR technition in the RAF. When a magnetron > >was replaced on 3cm equipment (H2S) > > Wasn't H2S 10cm equipment? > > Mike > J.Powell No 3cm (10000MHz) Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72795 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 00:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 00:36:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqKor-0000mh-EN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:32:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqKor-0000me-Bi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:32:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqKsb-000PiY-Fz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:36:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqKry-0007CU-5K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqKrx-0007CL-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:45 +0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqKrv-0005jK-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:35:45 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.1c9.2298e358 (3964); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:35:22 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.2298e358.2f1c624a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:35:22 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: lowfer@lwca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5036 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.157.38 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Re: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Anyone plagued by a slow dialup connection may find this line-art version of the schematic not as pretty as John's, but about 7 times quicker to obtain:
 
 
Fascinating project.
 
I would quibble a bit over the "fourth method" nomenclature in the VK3BHR article, though, since it still amounts to summing the output of two double-balanced modulators, each driven with I&Q versions of the audio and RF.  The only difference between this and other switched balanced modulators is, the RF drive to each switch-- comprising half of each respective DBM-- lasts for 90 degrees of the carrier rather than the usual 180.  You could replace the ring divider with the normal and inverted outputs of a standard quadrature divide-by-four circuit and achieve fundamentally the same result.
 
John D
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15612 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 01:05:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 01:05:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqLHF-0006Tw-1r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:01:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqLHE-0006TQ-9C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:01:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqLKy-0007EV-6i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:05:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqLJu-0007Jv-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:04:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqLJu-0007Jm-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:04:38 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqLJo-0005nf-Ma for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:04:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H147oO009418; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:04:07 -0600 Message-ID: <41EB0F89.3030509@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:06:17 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: lowfer@lwca.org References: In-Reply-To: X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [LW] coast to coast condx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Maybe Mal has a big beam for 137kc and it is pointing at Oklahoma? Wonder how many prop pitch motors it would take to swing that baby around =-O Mike Laurence KL1X wrote: > Nice capture Mitch - > >> From Oklahoma, at present, signals from Eu hams on 137Khz are still >> going > > to be well below rx threshold, qrss or cw...still "poor" conditions in > my book. Pretty disturbed on Auroral fringing paths. > > DCF39 sorts of path would indicate that ham signals are around 25dB > below readable signals on argo at 1W erp limits here at the moment. > > Suprised my CW message and DFCW signals are readble in the UK fm Mals > extraordinary QTH... > > Laurence KL1X/5 > > > >> From: Mitch Powell <> >> Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org >> To: >> CC: >> Subject: [LW] coast to coast condx >> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:40:37 -0500 >> >> Good morning all: >> Found a number of interesting ARGO captures this morning >> receiving coast-to-coast stations from VE7TIL sine wave to >> solid VO1NA. Looks like at least six stations with one more >> being unidentified. Using 10 ft diameter/16 turn/ remotely >> tuned (varactor) loop at 7 meters and R75. Enjoy at: >> http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/six137.jpg >> >> 73 >> Mitch VE3OT > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51332 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 08:04:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 08:04:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqRoU-000C06-FR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:00:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqRoS-000BzD-6b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:00:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqRs9-000Pcj-8c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:04:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqRou-0007sF-Si for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:01:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqRou-0007s6-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:01:04 +0000 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqRos-0006zV-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:01:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381F01378D4 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:00:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D51378D9 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:00:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2B9AF096 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:00:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050117091031.00c2e9b8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:12:24 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <007001c4fc17$0d75fc60$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> <41EADCD8.1050806@freenet.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.58.240.45 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit >One other note at this point. I attempted to use a CD4017B, but it just >wasn't fast enough to provide good carrier and sideband suppression. This is >definitely a project for HC or AC logic. John, if you want to use 4000 series logic in fast speed applciactions it can be used at 15V. This will increase the speed by a factor 3..4 compared to 5V. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74527 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 08:14:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 08:14:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqRy0-000FLw-9O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:10:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqRxy-000FLD-VU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:10:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqS1f-000A9w-U9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:14:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqS0x-0007x5-3M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:13:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqS0v-0007ww-Ds for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:13:29 +0000 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqS0o-000751-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:13:29 +0000 Received: from jsm (unknown [209.121.17.83]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 52C9979515 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:12:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001b01c4fc6c$32056b60$9a4bfea9@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <197.35d22bd8.2f12ca82@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:11:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: West Coast CW Weekend Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Reverting to normal CW for the weekend attracted some new activity to the west coast LF scene. Both Scott (VE7TIL) and myself set our beacons to run 6 wpm CW with a "CQ...QSX 3536 kHz..." loop running while we were in the shack. Several locals, who have been following our LF experiments, took the opportunity to call in and complete two-way crossband CW contacts.
 
The following stations were involved:
 
VE7VB - Borge, in Victoria, BC (using one leg of his 80m dipole for rx)
VE7XF - Ralph, in Tsawwassen, BC (160m inv L for rx)
VE7WU - Allan, in Victoria., BC (40m loop for rx)
VE7BDQ - John, in South Delta, BC (HB 8' LF loop)
 
In addition, reports of solid copy were also received from AA7U, Steve, in SE Oregon (~350 miles) and from Dan, W7OIL, in Southern Washington (~220 miles).
 
Further crossband activity is being planned for both regular CW and QRSS mode in the hope of promoting new interest in LF and particularly the 2200m band. Such 'on-air' activity provides additional evidence that Canadian amateurs and commercial interests can co-exist on 2200m without causing disruption to the primary users.
 
73
Steve / VE7SL
 
Mayne Island, BC
 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71037 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 09:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 09:00:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqSgX-00025u-Mr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:56:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqSgX-00025c-2j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:56:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqSkD-000I3q-Kd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:00:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqSin-000845-UM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:58:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqSin-00083w-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:58:49 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqSil-0007In-JZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:58:49 +0000 Received: from aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050117085825.SXXC10495.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:58:25 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.188.1]) by aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050117085823.TKK7271.aamta06-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:58:23 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c4fc73$0edb2ce0$01bc0150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7f.55a62769.2f1c4f62@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:00:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.026 Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
We agree then for, as I said , it cannot be _measured_  at one point.
The loosely called "SWR meter" sold as such in ham radio shops   is badly named ,   and  "SWR Comparator-Deducer"  would be better. But then ammeters and voltmeters and speedometers dont measure volts and amps  and speed, not even torque, what is measured is the angular distance of the pointer.    As long as the user knows what he is looking at all is well.
 
Long long ago in a faraway land  now called 9M2  , I stood looking at a pile of scrap metal while a sincere stationary diesel engine minder  told me,,,,,,,
 
.."At 4. o'clock in the morning I saw that the oil pressure gauge was not working because it was showing nothing ,  I knew of course the faulty guage would need to be replaced but  that this could not be done until the storekeeper opened at 8 o'clock.........." 
 
 
Bryan G3GVB
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Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR-off topic

In reply to:
I do not think there is a "true" SWR meter which can work by measuring
things at only one point on a transmission line.
SWR is a ratio and can only be indicated by making a set up which responds
to it and even then only by empirical calibration - I think.
With all due respect, there's nothing magical about SWR.  If the voltage is uniform along the length of a line (ratio 1:1), it is because the line is terminated with a load that matches its characteristic impedance.  If not, then reflections exist because of a mismatch.  The extent of that mismatch will be reflected-- no pun intended-- in the ratio of the voltage at a location where it is maximum along the line (constructive interference between the forward and reflected wave), versus a location where it is at a minimum (destructive interference).
 
The degree of cancellation at the minima is dependent upon the percentage of power being reflected, and the phase relationship between the two waves.  Thus, "true" SWR can only exist where a transmission line is involved.  But even so, it is still only a tool for measurement, an *effect* arising from precisely the same phenomena that are measured by a well constructed reflectometer setup or the power and phase detectors in a network analyzer.
 
When measuring VSWR on a physical transmission line, you need only read the voltage at one of the maxima and the voltage at one of the minima along the line; whereas, with a reflectometer, the sampler (be it terminated loops or bridge) must match the intrinsic impedance of the line to discriminate the direction of power flow accurately, and you must reference the reflected power as a percentage of the forward power (PSWR, if you will) then convert the power ratio to a voltage ratio (VSWR) before you can arrive at a result expressed in the same units.
 
Rigorously speaking, without a transmission line as in Peter's example, it shouldn't be expressed as "SWR" at all; it should be expressed in terms of "return loss."  And yet one is measuring the same fundamental condition either way, so the common nomenclature from the days of measuring "true" VSWR has stuck.
 
John
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19202 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 09:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 09:15:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqSxg-000Md9-I8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:14:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqSxg-000Md6-FT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:14:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqSz6-0002Em-Ep for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:15:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqSwX-00088s-Vz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:13:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqSwX-00088j-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:13:01 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqSwV-0007On-60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:13:01 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-20.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.20] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CqSwH-000MoM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:12:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c4fc74$c6c32460$141686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> <003501c4fc11$e6b3c080$7c3f8351@w4o8m9> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:12:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Jim and LF group > > I think the mathematical theory of transmission lines evolved with the > appearance of long-distance telegraph lines, but measuring standing waves > could only have become practical with the appearance of HF radio. In some > pre-war papers I have seen descriptions of little trolleys carrying > thermocouple ammeters that could be pulled along an open-wire line (there is > a rather vague description in Terman's "Radio Engineering") That rang a bell!. I looked through my older radio books but could't find anything in my copies of Termans. Eventually I found it in Air Publications 1093, which must have been the RAF's bible on radio engineering. The device for measuring SWR is a length of wood about 10inches long supporting a triangular loop of wire connected to a 0-120mA thermo-ampmeter. Two hooks on the top of the wood support allowed the device to be towed along the transmission line with a cord looking for minimum and maximum standing current due to missmatch. The antenna/transmission line matching is adjusted for minimum SWR. From this it would appear early measurements were ISWR not VSWR. There is a couple of pages on how to make and use this device. It also answerd a further question - why were old timers very keen to ensure balanced currents on the feeder and no one seems to bother now. The reason "...it is advisable to change the ammeter over to the other conductor to ensure the maxima and minima are in the same positions on the line.......it is hopeless to attempt to match an unbalanced line". > and I guess this is what led to Mr Smith producing his chart around the 1930s. This > really came into its own with the development of VHF, UHF and microwaves, > when bridge impedance measuring techniques became impractical and it became > possible to fit a long enough piece of transmission line on a bench top - > hence the slotted line, in coaxial and waveguide forms. With the slotted > line, you can measure complex impedances quite accurately by measuring SWR > and the position of the maxima or minima, using effectively just a piece of > transmission line with a moving probe and a diode voltmeter. Of course, the > Smith chart was the ideal device for doing the calculations in pre-computer > days, so I suppose that is the importance of the SWR scale on the chart. I will look into this one >I sometimes supervise > students doing an experiment with an ancient Rohde and Schwarz slotted line, > the main point of which is to show that standing waves exist, although the > Smith chart usually stumps them completely! Most Smith charts cover the whole universe of impedance values. It can be made far easier to use and understand by restricting the range (making the edge SWR 4 or 5:1) and using far less R and X lines. I have one which makes a simple Smith calculator - I can let you have a copy if you wish. Many thanks for your input Jim. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34387 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 10:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 10:30:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqU6A-0003Sy-Ja for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:27:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqU6A-0003Sj-Ce for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:27:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqU9q-0000Ja-GA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:30:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqU72-0008IV-34 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:27:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqU71-0008IM-Oz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:27:55 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqU6z-0007su-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:27:55 +0000 Received: from pickmere.demon.co.uk ([158.152.117.143]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CqU6m-000L4C-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:38:52 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. J. Powell" References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> <003501c4fc11$e6b3c080$7c3f8351@w4o8m9> In-Reply-To: <003501c4fc11$e6b3c080$7c3f8351@w4o8m9> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.217.242.88 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pickmere.demon.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.211 Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In message <003501c4fc11$e6b3c080$7c3f8351@w4o8m9>, James Moritz writes >Dear Peter, LF Group, > >I think the mathematical theory of transmission lines evolved with the >appearance of long-distance telegraph lines, but measuring standing waves >could only have become practical with the appearance of HF radio. In some >pre-war papers I have seen descriptions of little trolleys carrying >thermocouple ammeters that could be pulled along an open-wire line (there is >a rather vague description in Terman's "Radio Engineering"), This was done at Marconi College when I was with the company '52 - '55. Binoculars were provided to read the ammeter... Mike -- M.J.Powell From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22018 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 10:32:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 10:32:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqUAJ-000H03-IY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:31:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqUAJ-000H00-BQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:31:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqUBi-00020N-UV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:32:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqUBg-0008Le-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:32:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqUBg-0008LU-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:32:44 +0000 Received: from nort.infotecstt.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqUBb-0007uW-G6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:32:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 45835 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 13:32:15 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 13:32:15 +0300 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:32:02 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5012034212.20050117103202@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: Walter Staubach In-Reply-To: <002901c4f990$a6fe3160$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> References: <002901c4f990$a6fe3160$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.68.4.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dx.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020204030803070008030801" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020204030803070008030801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear enthusiasts of low part MF, Thursday, January 13, 2005 DJ2LF wrote: ............. WS> ... I will transmit DI2AG in QRSS30 with 3W ERP from 23UTC to 8UTC next WS> morning, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. ............. I looked a signal DI2AG from 23z of January 14: in 30s mode it was very strong, but also in 3s (see attach) On argocaps in 3s mode: in the beginning are visible some CW ID and further began first dash of "D" (time was abt 2350z) QTH-loc: KN97LN QRB abt 2050km Since 440.004 kHz and below very strong QRM begins, therefore I can not listen to a signal DI2AG on telephones ;-( Above 440.055 QRM-lines is not visual on argocaps at my QTH Walter, I send complete files to yours e-mail 73! 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Hi All,
 
As a further input to this "off-topic" item, I possess an instrument made by a well-respected supplier to the professional mobile comms industry which is intended for use in installing 50 ohm antenna systems. The predominant scale on the meter of this instrument is "% Match Efficiency".
 
By the way I also have in my possession a photograph of a village roadside sign for a place just off the A1 in the North East of the UK called "SWARLAND" ! I also remember during the early days of CB in the UK there was a supplier advertising "SWAR GREASE" which it was claimed could be smeared on an antenna whip to improve "SWAR" !
 
It do mayke Oi larf !
 
73 de Pat g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99457 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 12:40:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 12:40:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqW7x-000GKp-GK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:37:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqW7w-000GKF-2Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:37:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqWBb-000JAa-A0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:40:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqWB3-0000Aw-C6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:40:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqWB2-0000An-TD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqWB0-0000EM-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:40:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 29640 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 12:39:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2005 12:39:50 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c4fc91$8b6f4840$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> <41EADCD8.1050806@freenet.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20050117091031.00c2e9b8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Rik, > if you want to use 4000 series logic in fast speed applciactions it can be > used at 15V. This will increase the speed by a factor 3..4 compared to 5V. Agreed. But I would not have been able to use the 74HC4066 switch, and I wanted to stick with that. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40669 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 13:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 13:07:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqWa4-0006Xg-B1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqWa3-0006XR-OW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqWbS-000Ied-FI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:07:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqWac-0000Hi-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqWaa-0000HZ-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:36 +0000 Received: from mailfe03.swip.net ([212.247.154.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqWaW-0000OS-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:36 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.40.35] ([213.101.40.35] verified) by mailfe03.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 76007045 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:06:09 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.13]); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:36 -0100 Message-ID: <41EBC66B.3080607@tele2.se> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:06:35 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41E540A6.5000301@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41E540A6.5000301@usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: From egilch1802@aol.com. Re Uninstall Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Heard from a swedish tourist on a guided tour in Rome: Guide: "This is Forum Romanum, a fantastic sight, isn't it?" Tourist lady: "Yes, it looks very nice already. I'm sure it will look great when it is finished!". 73 Johan SM6LKM - QRV again after 8 days without electric power... >> We have a proverb that says "Rome was not built in a day". Having >> followed your directions are we assured that the construction will be >> complete and operational on our arrival ? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 2005-01-16 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20496 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 14:01:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 14:01:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqXQG-000LOY-Ci for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:00:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqXQG-000LON-2N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:00:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqXRe-000Fy7-EH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:01:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqXN9-0000Oy-Uw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:56:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqXN9-0000Op-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:56:47 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqXN7-0000YC-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:56:47 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CqXCL-0007a1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:45:37 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CqXCL-0001Zd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:45:37 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:45:33 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4fc9a$d337d030$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c4fc74$c6c32460$141686d4@erica> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Peter, LF Group, I just had a flick through "Electronic Applications of the Smith Chart" (1969) by Phillip H Smith in the university library - I suppose he ought to know about it... The first version of the Smith chart seems to have been published in 1936. In the introduction, Smith says it was "...intended only to assist in the solution of transmission line problems inherent in the design of directional shortwave antennas for Bell System applications of that period; its broader application was hardly envisioned at that time". This first chart was slightly different from the usual one in that the scales were modified to have a linear graduation in SWR, which was expressed as Vmin/Vmax, and so was between 0 and 1 instead of 1 and infinity. This distorts the shape of all the graduation lines, although it is still circular overall. But it shows that it was intended to use SWR measurements from the outset. The conventionally-shaped scales appear in the 1939 version, and the radial scales for reflection and transmission loss, etc appear in the 1944 version, which is more or less the current form. Smith puts the popularization of his chart down to its adoption by Radar workers at the MIT Radiation Lab during WW2. There are a bewildering array of modifications to the Smith chart, including expanded regions of low or high SWR, an inverted form with unity SWR at the outer edge of the chart (very odd scales on that one!) and versions for negative resistance (apparently useful for tunnel diode designs). Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61115 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 14:28:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqXqE-0003fB-Sk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:26:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqXqE-0003ev-CV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:26:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqXrc-000KxJ-Iy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:28:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqXqE-0000V8-G0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:26:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqXqE-0000Uz-0h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:26:50 +0000 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.160]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqXqB-0000eE-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:26:49 +0000 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 25156 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 15:26:27 +0100 Received: from miglanc.socrates.org.pl (HELO [192.168.1.39]) (sq5bpm@[194.181.189.2]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 17 Jan 2005 15:26:27 +0100 Message-ID: <41EBCB0B.9000304@wp.pl> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:26:19 +0100 From: Marek SQ5BPM User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO(Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1) AS2=NO(0.983007) AS3=NO AS4=NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of wp.pl designates 212.77.101.160 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL=0.47 Subject: LF: HF75PZK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello all, I am trying to restore the LF equipment at SP5ZCC. Some dust already on the transmitter, it's a shame, but already one year passed since our last activity on 136kHz! Anyway, 22.01.2005 0000z - 23.01.2005 2359z SP5ZCC will be active as HF75PZK (75th anniversary of PZK - Polish Amateur Radio Union). The second activity is already booked for us on 12-13th of February. This callsign is activated by many hams in Poland, each station having it's "shift". I am doing my best to be active on LF as well, as I see that so far we are the only station in SP able to do that (why?!). We applied for these weekends mainly due to RTTY contests we're mad about, but there are 2 independent HF gears available at SP5ZCC + VHF/UHF/LF desk as well, so there will be more activity than just RTTY contesting for sure. As for the LF gear, yesterday I found that the main grounding copper wire used for LF is missing, so I buried another one, if not those two hours spent digging, I might have connected tried TXing yesterday evening. Without proper grounding the antenna current is rather small... I still didn't finish making the loop, so RX side is rather poor here (although the 1 square meter loop almost ready, with a remotely tuned capacitor etc.) Maybe the MV61 will appear to be better with the noisy Marconi antenna used for reception than FT-990 + preamp I used last year. I don't know whether conditions will allow some nice QSOs on LF as well, as there were major CMEs last days. BTW - is there a reason that condx on LF are in great shape just before the CME happens? I saw the message about reception of VO1NA in QRSS3 - this is not the first time that exceptionally good conditions happen only a few hours before the hit. Anyway, I will post another message to the group on Friday or Saturday, should this LF activity fail or succeed. 73! Marek SQ5BPM WWYC#195 SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57758 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 14:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 14:49:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqY8A-00046K-FD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:45:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqY8A-00046H-Aw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:45:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqYBo-000HWr-F2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:49:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqYAo-0000au-21 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:48:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqYAn-0000al-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:48:05 +0000 Received: from nort.infotecstt.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqYAi-0000j9-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:48:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 54553 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 17:47:42 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 17:47:42 +0300 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:47:25 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1627363925.20050117174725@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <41EA3A1F.17345.BB262E@localhost> References: <41EA3A1F.17345.BB262E@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.68.4.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dx.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re:: Activity Sat 16 Jan Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020403060103020200060902" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020403060103020200060902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF enthusiasts, Sunday, January 16, 2005 Mike G3XDV wrote: .............. MD> Stations logged included: OK1BVG ('O'), Z38AV MD> ('O'), YO1IS ('T'), DL2HRE ('O'), OK1DWF ('M'), MD> S57A ('O'), DF6NM ('O'), M0BMU ('O'), RU6LA MD> ('O'), OH1TN/OH5UFO ('O'), DM2BHG?? ('M'). .............. + in my log: Z38AR, Z37M(Macedonian club "Nikola Tesla" http://www.qsl.net/z30m/), RA3YO, DK1IS, DF0WD, S52AB, SM3UWS(DFCW1), but only 3 in CW I believe no YO1IS(DK1IS) and DM2BHG(OK2BVG) both in DFCW Again I have not seen YO2IS and HA6PC - new one for me .............. MD> Worked RU6LA, but had to change to QRSS10 to MD> complete; this is a repeat of my best ever two-way DX MD> at 2823km. .............. interesting details of QSO: - I have seen on the screen a Mike's signal abt 1520z in QRSS3 on O/M after my CQ (see attach) and has not believed that it probably in such time (sunset in UA6 abt 14z and in G abt 1620z) - at 1540z the Mike's signal became magnificent! see next attach Unfortunately I have not guessed to listen on telephones - I believe it was quite possible to lead CW QSO ;-( sri... QRM/QRN were very low at this time - up to 0z I more never saw of such good signal from Mike (1520-1620z) The D-layer was at this time very weak January 14/15 I constantly saw a call RA3YO in QRSS10/30 on abt 137702 73! 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On 17/01/2005 at 07:31 G4gvw@aol.com wrote: [ ... ] >By the way I also have in my possession a photograph of a village roadside > >sign for a place just off the A1 in the North East of the UK called >"SWARLAND" >! I also remember during the early days of CB in the UK there was a >supplier >advertising "SWAR GREASE" which it was claimed could be smeared on an >antenna > whip to improve "SWAR" ! Why ay, man! And when you got to the right place you were in the village of SWATHA! G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44285 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 17:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 17:02:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqaD3-000IeY-9N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:58:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqaD2-000IeQ-Ul for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:58:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqaGg-000F9t-Bt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqaFq-0000sG-Jh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:01:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqaFq-0000s7-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:01:26 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqaFm-0001EI-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:01:26 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200501171700530120014su5e>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:01:03 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:34:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.56 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Test G3YXM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Dave, Poor '735! >From what I remember when using my trusty ole '735 at LF a few years ago, the main culprit is a VCXO used to do the 1st. IF to 2nd. IF conversion and fill in the 10Hz tuning steps; the master PLL ref. osc. and the carrier insertion oscs. are fairly blameless. Maybe ovening that crystal a la Lyle Koehler might help, rather than trying to get a screaming confession from the radio as a whole . . . http://www.cpinternet.com/~lyle/all-in-one/all-in-1.htm Cheers, Steve 01/16/05 23:14:40, "Dave Pick" wrote: >I was testing my "linear" TX driven by IC735. I have now put the IC735 in an >oven to try and stop it drifting. I hope it may be stable enough for Jason >soon. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10890 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 19:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 19:51:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cqcql-000DOI-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:47:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cqcqk-000DOA-Tu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:47:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqcuN-000BpF-5d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:51:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cqcs8-00017J-0L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:49:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cqcs7-00017A-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:49:07 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cqcs4-0001nT-61 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:49:07 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1Cqcrg-00018i-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:48:40 +0100 Received: from pd9503b94.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.59.148] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1Cqcrg-0000H3-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:48:40 +0100 Message-ID: <41EC16AD.9070205@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:49:01 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> <41EADCD8.1050806@freenet.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20050117091031.00c2e9b8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> <002901c4fc91$8b6f4840$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <002901c4fc91$8b6f4840$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Image-Cancelling Exciter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Rik and John, Another problem with the 4017 "Johnson" counter is, the output timing is not very precise because it is an asynchronous counter. To divide by 4, one of the 4017's outputs (Q4) must be connected to the RESET input to reset the counter if the 5th output is set. The time required to reset the counter, no matter how short, will be missing in one of the 4 "wanted" output pulses (Q0 to be precise). So the length of the 4 output pulses will differ by some XX nanoseconds. A synchronous counter (or divider) where all clock inputs are connected in parallel will perform better, there will be no difference in the propagation delays for all 4 outputs. Furthermore, the 74HC107 provides the inverter for the 74HC4066 for free. I tried to measure the delay between inverting and non-inverting output from one flipflop, it was below 2 ns (no accurate measurement possible with a 60MHz-scope). Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . John Andrews schrieb: >Rik, > > > >>if you want to use 4000 series logic in fast speed applciactions it can be >>used at 15V. This will increase the speed by a factor 3..4 compared to 5V. >> >> > >Agreed. But I would not have been able to use the 74HC4066 switch, and I >wanted to stick with that. > >John A. > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27631 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 21:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 21:27:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqeNW-0008YX-Ps for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:25:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqeNW-0008YS-Il for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:25:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqeOs-000PLh-4l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:27:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqeMM-0004vv-DQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:24:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqeMM-0004vm-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:24:26 +0000 Received: from grunt13.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.60]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqeMJ-0003jx-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:24:26 +0000 Received: from 203-173-175-234.bliink.ihug.co.nz ([192.168.0.121]) [203.173.175.234] by grunt13.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CqeM0-000110-00; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:24:04 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.13]); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:19:25 +1300 Message-ID: <0f0101c4fcda$38981ea0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> <003501c4fc11$e6b3c080$7c3f8351@w4o8m9> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:19:25 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 203.109.254.60 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ihug.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) The SWR measuring trolley was a standard piece of kit at multi-tx HF transmitter sites with multiple openwire antennas and feeders. Keep in mind the real estate involved was large, very large, and when doing feeder maintenance out in the field (literally!) no way were you able to keep referring back to an instrument in the transmitter hall - often several hundred yards away. I have one of these units that has not found it's way to the Telecom NZ museum as yet, and a few photos are at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~tractorb/swr%20trolley/ There are two separate loops in this incarnation and the loop switching, at the top of the separate handheld meterbox, allows selection of either loop or both in series, to drive the meter circuit. A meter sensitivity switch is just below the meter and tuning controls to select the appropriate frequency are lower down the meterbox. The unit was moved along the feeder (typically around six to eight feet off the ground on short poles) by an insulated handle with the wheels riding on the top of the feeder wires. There is a locking arrangement comprising two tufnol slotted blocks near the centre of the unit-they can be moved in and out with a lever. The blocks are moved in to pass the open wire conductors over the top of them when placing the carriange wheels on the transmission line and then lock in the outer position to prevent the carriage from lifting off. 73, Dave, ZL3FJ . -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14085 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 21:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 21:30:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqeO6-000G1y-Ju for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:26:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqeO5-000G1d-Iq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:26:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqeRf-0001L2-UU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:29:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqeRS-0005N9-EI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:29:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqeRP-0005Mw-Tp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:29:39 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqeRM-0003w9-GG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:29:39 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.67.5 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 21:29:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4fcdb$9cb71ca0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4fc9a$d337d030$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:17:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.211 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "james moritz" To: Sent: 17 January 2005 13:45 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: SWR-off topic There are a bewildering array of modifications to the Smith chart, including expanded regions of low or high SWR, an inverted form with unity SWR at the outer edge of the chart (very odd scales on that one!) and versions for negative resistance (apparently useful for tunnel diode designs). Ah Jim, you have to remember maybe before and certainly after 1940 the common line amplifier in telephone trunk networks was a "Negative Resistance amplifier" . These were certainly used a lot in by GPO Telephones the UK and almost certainly by the Bell System. This is even before tunnel diodes were discovered/invented in the later 1950s. . A lot of the technicians and engineers would have got their training as radio and radar mechs in the forces. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50527 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 22:22:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 22:22:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqfFB-000LVd-FR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqfF9-000LV9-83 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqfGU-000KTx-Hm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:22:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqfFf-0000Ya-1o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqfFe-0000YI-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:34 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqfFb-0005hp-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:34 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.239.52 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 22:21:15 -0000 Message-ID: <003e01c4fce2$de6fe4e0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3A1F.17345.BB262E@localhost> <1627363925.20050117174725@dx.ru> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:17:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re:: Activity Sat 16 Jan (from Ed) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Ed, An interesting comment on Mike's signal. With some Geomag. activity at this time of year daytime signals can be enhanced. But the 1540z signal-strength rise sounds like the time when the mid-point between you went into shadow. The important thing is the ionosphere going into shadow 50 to 100km altitude but with the angle of the sun that sounds possible....I have not checked it on Geoclock yet. Well done Mike will be pleased. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Lesnichy" To: Sent: 17 January 2005 14:47 Subject: LF: Re:: Activity Sat 16 Jan -------------------snipped > interesting details of QSO: > - I have seen on the screen a Mike's signal abt 1520z in QRSS3 on O/M > after my CQ (see attach) and has not believed that it probably in such time > (sunset in UA6 abt 14z and in G abt 1620z) > - at 1540z the Mike's signal became magnificent! see next attach > Unfortunately I have not guessed to listen on telephones - I believe it was > quite possible to lead CW QSO ;-( sri... QRM/QRN were very low at this time > - up to 0z I more never saw of such good signal from Mike (1520-1620z) > The D-layer was at this time very weak > > January 14/15 I constantly saw a call RA3YO in QRSS10/30 on abt 137702 > > 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50609 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 22:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 22:22:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqfCw-0003hm-1g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:18:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqfCt-0003gh-W2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:18:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqfGV-000KUD-56 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:22:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqfFf-0000Yb-4J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqfFe-0000YJ-DQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:34 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqfFa-0005hg-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:21:34 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.239.52 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 22:21:13 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c4fce2$dd9ed940$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EBCB0B.9000304@wp.pl> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:00:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: HF75PZK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marek SQ5BPM" To: Sent: 17 January 2005 14:26 Subject: LF: HF75PZK > I don't know whether conditions will allow some nice QSOs on LF as well, > as there were major CMEs last days. BTW - is there a reason that condx > on LF are in great shape just before the CME happens? I saw the message > about reception of VO1NA in QRSS3 - this is not the first time that > exceptionally good conditions happen only a few hours before the hit. Hi Marek. not really..... except that it is usually the best conditions since the last Geomagnetic storm. The best conditions are not in dead quiet geomag conditions. After a long quiet spell a Kp=4 event brought good conditions for several nights. When there is some activity there is a chance ( we sometime laught about the "14 day" rule....try 14 days after a major storm ) that if there is some multipath and the ionosphere is resonating slowly up and down after the last shock front, good conditions will occur on some paths. Joe has an almost all water path to the UK and Europe so he is not so affected by absorbing conditions. He is probably one skip closer than the East Coast US stations. There is nothing before a CME arrival to affect the ionosphere, but certainly through the more active years I have seen that sometimes that the best night in a given period has been just before a storm. But at that time the Dst is still dropping and the quantity of absorbing precipitated electrons leaked into the D-layer from the ring current is probably dropping. So it is the minimum absorbtion night for that period. (I think !!) The peak signal levels measured during favourable multipath can be 6 to 10dB above those in long flat storm free periods. The problem is we need at least 30 minutes to get an "over" through on QRSS. We will look forward to hearing (?) or seeing your signals again. Regards de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70640 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2005 02:02:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 02:02:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cqidn-00046o-QP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:58:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cqidn-00046l-O6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:58:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqihN-000CJW-Fi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:02:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqieO-000899-CQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:59:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqieO-000890-1o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:59:20 +0000 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqieL-00053d-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:59:19 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.19c.2d5cc977 (4012) for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:58:45 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.2d5cc977.2f1dc755@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:58:45 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.3 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_90_100=0.189,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: Re[2]: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
LOL John
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29330 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2005 11:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2005 11:08:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqrC5-0007ld-HF for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:06:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqrC5-0007lZ-8f for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:06:41 +0000 Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.81]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqrDL-000BuZ-Jd for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:59 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0IB4ReO009739; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:07:18 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08188 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08184 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C44278123; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:03:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.129] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:03:50 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID994JaRLDY6260X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.143.106] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 852JaRLDv0018M29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:03:48 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.143.106 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41ECED11.70607@usa.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:03:45 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Cc: Uli DF5SF Subject: [LW] Re: OT : Jason on the 30m band References: <41213169.7030604@usa.net> <41EAA864.4030907@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41EAA864.4030907@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040301020809080208090200" Z-USANET-MsgId: XID852JaRLDW0018X29 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040301020809080208090200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Very good copy of DF5SF this morning, despite his QRPP of only 90 mW
into a 1m loop on 10,140.125 kHz.  See the enbedded pictures. The garbage
characters correspond to the CWID. Mode was JF (Jason Fast)

73  Alberto I2PHD


                                                                          

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Dear Steve, thanks for your info to Markus, who forwarded it to me.
 It would be glad if you would again tune your grabber II to the 440.044KHz. Markus will observe it, because I cannot do when the transmitter runs due to interference with the ISDN equipment. I will start again with 3W ERP and QRSS30 at 22UTC till  8UTC tomorrow. And please send the 2 screenshots, that possibly show parts of my signal.
Thanks in advance and 73
Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67996 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cr4pX-0009pa-4Z for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:40:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cr4pW-0009pW-Pu for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:40:18 +0000 Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.75]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cr4rL-000Gbz-1X for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:42:11 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J1drUr028355; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:41:39 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08111 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f24.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.34]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08105 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:39:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:38:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] XDW off for SAQ tests Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:38:41 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2005 01:39:18.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[B10B3F00:01C4FDC7] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Off air at appx 0030Z - will return after the SAQ test tomorrow lunchtime CST - using the big loop and smaller loop onto 2 x slms and sound cards/mp3's Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq oklahoma ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45209 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 02:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 02:21:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cr5P5-000Kld-Jy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:17:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cr5P5-000KlO-2N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:17:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cr5TJ-0008qr-IF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:21:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cr5Rf-0003IB-7j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:19:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cr5Re-0003I2-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:19:42 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cr5Rc-0002MX-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:19:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0J2IqoO009830 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:18:53 -0600 Message-ID: <41EDC441.1040705@genesiswireless.us> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:21:53 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: XDW off for SAQ tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Laurence, Are you resonating the big loop on 17kc tonight? Mike Laurence KL1X wrote: > Off air at appx 0030Z - will return after the SAQ test tomorrow > lunchtime CST - using the big loop and smaller loop onto 2 x slms and > sound cards/mp3's > > > Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq > oklahoma > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1979 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 09:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 09:56:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrCVI-000OUT-RO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:52:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrCVI-000OUQ-OZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:51:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrCZa-0004U3-Gk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:56:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrCW4-0005qT-NM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:52:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrCW4-0005qE-5B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:52:44 +0000 Received: from email01.skyonline.com.br ([200.105.9.62]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrCW0-0002wT-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:52:44 +0000 Received: from email01.skyonline.com.br (fw02.skyonline.com.br [127.0.0.1]) by email01.skyonline.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E7A36D86 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:52:09 -0200 (BRST) Received: from [192.168.100.51] ([::ffff:200.100.92.22]) (AUTH: LOGIN mramos) by email01.skyonline.com.br with esmtp; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:52:08 -0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.13]); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:52:08 -0200 Message-ID: <000901c4fe0c$8a09d7a0$3364a8c0@p2400> From: "PY3CRX PY2PLL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:52:05 -0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 200.105.9.62 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of py.qsl.br X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: XDW off for SAQ tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi there ... I went to SAQ pages and there´s a message telling that the jan 19th test changed to Feb 2nd. Is this ok ? I used an online translator but who knows ... 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:38 PM Subject: LF: XDW off for SAQ tests > Off air at appx 0030Z - will return after the SAQ test tomorrow lunchtime > CST - using the big loop and smaller loop onto 2 x slms and sound > cards/mp3's > > > Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq > oklahoma > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/1/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/1/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93556 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 11:06:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 11:06:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrDb2-000Hrv-Aa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:02:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrDb1-000Hrm-Py for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:01:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrDf7-000NZo-1i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:06:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrDcb-0001iu-P5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:03:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrDcb-0001il-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:03:33 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrDcX-00057u-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:03:33 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.132.10.121 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 11:03:11 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: "Dave Atkins" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:03:04 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c4fe0c$8a09d7a0$3364a8c0@p2400> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: SAQ tests? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hmmm.. I'm not so sure. I couldn't find a translation for "arbetskvällar", but I think it says that the Wednesday Work party/open day/whatever is postponed to Wed 2 Feb 1800h and then every other Wednesday until Summer. This could be because they don't want people around when they are activating the transmitter today. I'm going to listen tonight at 1700z anyway! Cheers, Dave G3WCB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of PY3CRX PY2PLL Sent: 19 January 2005 09:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: r SAQ tests Hi there ... I went to SAQ pages and there´s a message telling that the jan 19th test changed to Feb 2nd. Is this ok ? I used an online translator but who knows ... 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:38 PM Subject: LF: XDW off for SAQ tests > Off air at appx 0030Z - will return after the SAQ test tomorrow lunchtime > CST - using the big loop and smaller loop onto 2 x slms and sound > cards/mp3's > > > Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq > oklahoma > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40481 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 11:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 11:30:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrDyo-000PGN-Rp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:26:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrDyn-000PFk-NX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:26:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrE2y-000FWT-AK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:30:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrE1p-0002QU-Kg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrE1o-0002QL-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:36 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrE1l-0005W5-O1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:29:36 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CrDxz-0002mD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:25:39 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CrDxy-000382-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:25:38 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:25:37 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4fe19$99ae9710$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c4fe0c$8a09d7a0$3364a8c0@p2400> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: XDW off for SAQ tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Marcus, LF Group, There is a "stop press" message on the SAQ web site (in Swedish only, so I am not sure about the meaning), but... I just received an e-mail from Carl, SM5BF, confirming that SAQ will be on the air at 1700utc today, 19th January. Since he is one of the guys running SAQ, I guess he should know! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of PY3CRX PY2PLL Sent: 19 January 2005 09:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: XDW off for SAQ tests Hi there ... I went to SAQ pages and there´s a message telling that the jan 19th test changed to Feb 2nd. Is this ok ? I used an online translator but who knows ... 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20439 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 11:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 11:47:04 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrEGw-000HXW-GU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrEGw-000HXT-Bf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrEIn-0005YL-HO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:47:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrEHa-0002mP-Hu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrEHa-0002mG-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:54 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrEHW-0005gj-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:54 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CrEGu-0005qC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:12 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CrEGu-0005C1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:12 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:45:11 -0000 Message-ID: <000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c4fe19$99ae9710$e6a4c593@RD40002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF Group, I just received a phone call from Carl Walde, saying that the transmission will go ahead as planned. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of james moritz Sent: 19 January 2005 11:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: XDW off for SAQ tests Dear Marcus, LF Group, There is a "stop press" message on the SAQ web site (in Swedish only, so I am not sure about the meaning), but... I just received an e-mail from Carl, SM5BF, confirming that SAQ will be on the air at 1700utc today, 19th January. Since he is one of the guys running SAQ, I guess he should know! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of PY3CRX PY2PLL Sent: 19 January 2005 09:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: XDW off for SAQ tests Hi there ... I went to SAQ pages and there´s a message telling that the jan 19th test changed to Feb 2nd. Is this ok ? I used an online translator but who knows ... 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22196 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 12:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 12:56:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrFM1-000Aum-4x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:54:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrFLz-000AuL-Ru for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:54:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrFNq-0001LY-QW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:56:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrFKv-0006hW-Qr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrFKv-0006hN-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:25 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrFKq-0007ey-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:25 +0000 Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050119125256.NOZI5566.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:52:56 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.188.18]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050119125255.BKUJ9818.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:52:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:55:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) We are all "ears" G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: james moritz To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation Dear LF Group, I just received a phone call from Carl Walde, saying that the transmission will go ahead as planned. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of james moritz Sent: 19 January 2005 11:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: XDW off for SAQ tests Dear Marcus, LF Group, There is a "stop press" message on the SAQ web site (in Swedish only, so I am not sure about the meaning), but... I just received an e-mail from Carl, SM5BF, confirming that SAQ will be on the air at 1700utc today, 19th January. Since he is one of the guys running SAQ, I guess he should know! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of PY3CRX PY2PLL Sent: 19 January 2005 09:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: XDW off for SAQ tests Hi there ... I went to SAQ pages and there´s a message telling that the jan 19th test changed to Feb 2nd. Is this ok ? I used an online translator but who knows ... 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70650 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 16:53:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 16:53:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJ3v-0003IA-Rq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:52:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJ3v-0003I2-B7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:52:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJ5l-0000Rl-B6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:54:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJ2u-0004bI-5Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:51:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJ2t-0004b9-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:51:03 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJ2p-0006ca-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:51:03 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.128.157 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 16:50:40 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c4fe46$b631cf60$9d807ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:48:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) SAQ tuning up now, at 1650utc Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70674 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 16:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 16:53:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJ3y-0003IV-3w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:52:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; 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Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:50:27 +0100 Message-ID: <41EE8FCE.4050305@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:50:22 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002> <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) 16:50 UTC - Already big signal from SAQ, tuning. 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48145 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 16:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 16:58:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJ7x-0004Ob-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:56:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJ7x-0004OT-NI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:56:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJ9m-0002ig-Nx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:58:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJ9N-0005C0-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:57:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJ9N-0005Br-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:57:45 +0000 Received: from smtp05.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.145]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJ9K-0006sX-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:57:45 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (mdt-17671.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.69.148.113]) by smtp5.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD611A114 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:57:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41EE916E.4060907@wanadoo.nl> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:57:18 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002> <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.134.35.145 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of 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This is an unofficial confirmation for SAQ's unofficial transmission ... ;-) 73, Wolf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2391 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 17:15:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 17:15:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJOg-0009OS-Fk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJOg-0009ON-BU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJQO-000Bs6-V1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJQW-0006Mq-OI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJQW-0006MY-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:28 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJQT-0007Qf-Nh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:28 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CrJQB-0008Pg-03; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:15:07 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (bpRDNrZ6QeT7L0wpCr8o5NeRIpoNxdBSFRpit9tipSyTZQda-g3A6w@[217.250.36.25]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CrJPv-1ZFoRO0; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:14:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hans-Joachim Brandt To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.111 Date: 19 Jan 2005 17:04 GMT Message-ID: <1CrJPv-1ZFoRO0@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: bpRDNrZ6QeT7L0wpCr8o5NeRIpoNxdBSFRpit9tipSyTZQda-g3A6w X-TOI-MSGID: afd41d2f-7071-4507-889a-a52ef14d7e2b X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Walter, I have seen your contribution rather late, because I have been travelling. My opinion is that circuit A allows tuning the whip to resonance and matching it to the amplifier, by changing the number of link turns. Therefore tuning is very sharp. In circuit B (which I have seen for the first time) the coupling between the amplifier resonant circuit and the aerial coil will be much tighter. Tuning the plate capacitor will even influence the aerial resonance, therefore only few taps are needed for the whip. On the other hand I do not see any means to match the whip (plus aerial coil resistance) to the amplifier. Obviously this has been omitted to simplify the circuit. I guess the load resistance of the amplifier will be lower than optimum, hence the broad tuning characteristic. HW? Happy New Year! 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Walter Blanchard" schrieb: > It's a bit late for Christmas puzzles but try this one: > > Circuit A is the usual antenna tuning cct for a short highly reactive whip. It has the advantage that the antenna tuning inductor can be a long way away from the PA. > Circuit B has been widely used for HF walkie-talkies using a short whip. Only one coil is needed because the end of the antenna can be brought right onto the PA board. > > Puzzle: > The tuning coil in A tunes very sharply; you really need a continuously-variable inductor. > That in B tunes quite flatly and you only need a few fixed taps. > Why? > > Incidentally, are they really the same circuit? > > Happy New Year!!! > Walter G3JKV. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2522 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 17:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 17:15:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJOj-0009Oc-62 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJOj-0009OZ-33 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:13:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJQQ-000LfE-Ir for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJQ9-0006LR-Mw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJQ9-0006LI-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:05 +0000 Received: from mx-out.forthnet.gr ([193.92.150.5] helo=mx-out-04.forthnet.gr) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJQ6-0007Q3-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:15:05 +0000 Received: from mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-04.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0JHEm6R026787 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:14:48 +0200 Received: from mx-as-02.forthnet.gr (mx-as.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.226]) by mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0JHE3DC002816 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:14:48 +0200 Received: from forthnet.gr (athmta04.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.25]) by mx-as-02.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0JHAtt1015680 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:55 +0200 Received: from q2x6f5.ath.forthnet.gr (ppp7-117.ath.forthnet.gr [213.16.150.117]) by forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0JHAsxZ027181 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:55 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20050119191024.0332d440@popper.forthnet.gr> X-Sender: kkrallis.ath.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:51 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "K. Krallis" In-Reply-To: <41EE916E.4060907@wanadoo.nl> References: <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> <000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002> <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.92.150.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ath.forthnet.gr X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 17:57 19/1/2005 +0100, you wrote: >captbrian wrote: >>We are all "ears" >>G3GVB > >And Eyes ;-) >Looks like it's warming up [image was taken at 16:50] >73 de Ko, NL9222 Nice signal from SAQ in Athens Costas +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: | | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26485 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 17:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 17:23:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJWM-000BoB-8u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:21:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJWL-000Bo5-UG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:21:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJY4-0003HP-IE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:23:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJXJ-0006uI-3z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:22:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJXI-0006u9-PJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:22:28 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJXG-0007gK-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:22:28 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CrJWv-0001TN-HU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:22:05 +0100 Received: from pd9503cba.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.60.186] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CrJWv-0006QC-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:22:05 +0100 Message-ID: <41EE9754.1030700@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:22:28 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: SAQ just turned off .. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ...sounding like "piiiiuuuuu" when the generator wheel slowly ran out. Seems the frequency range of their antenna system isn't very narrow ! As in the previous tests, the signal could be heard also between the key-down phases. Nice show, thanks all for the note (would have missed the event otherwise). 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68758 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 17:27:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 17:27:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJa8-000Cf5-BF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:25:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJa8-000Cf2-5P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:25:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJbq-0004x4-Og for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:27:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJbe-0007Ej-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJbc-0007EO-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:56 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJbY-0007p9-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:26:56 +0000 Received: from CPHL040 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A92122010144; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c4fe4c$12f59330$1500a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:26:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi SAQ and group,
 
Of course SAQ is RST 599 her in Denmark.
 
Vy 73 Ingolf
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50051 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 17:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 17:31:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJe9-000DcP-9M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:29:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJe9-000DcH-37 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:29:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJfr-0006wv-KW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:31:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJfY-0007ZL-3B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:31:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJfX-0007ZC-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:30:59 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJfV-0007y0-9s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:30:59 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Jan 2005 17:30:38 -0000 Received: from pD9E30ABF.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (217.227.10.191) by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 18:30:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <001b01c4fe4c$9e10fea0$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:30:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi,
I got the xmission rather good (40dBuV)
Keying was ...
wonder how strong other could receive it.
I made a recording ( 1600 sec long)
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88588 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 17:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 17:43:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJpa-000HSU-Hl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:41:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrJpa-000HSG-3t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:41:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrJrP-00035K-TM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:43:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJqk-0008SR-AX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:42:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrJqj-0008SI-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:42:33 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrJqh-0008OI-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:42:33 +0000 Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050119174207.IZFW26517.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:42:07 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.71]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050119174206.JVIH13480.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:42:06 +0000 Message-ID: <005501c4fe4e$8ed8e5e0$47540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian><000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002><001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> <5.0.2.1.0.20050119191024.0332d440@popper.forthnet.gr> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:44:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) A fair signal here but overshadowed by a high speed data sounding signal. Am I alone in having this problem or is my ancient B41 not up to the selectivity task. G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: K. Krallis To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation > At 17:57 19/1/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >captbrian wrote: > >>We are all "ears" > >>G3GVB > > > >And Eyes ;-) > >Looks like it's warming up [image was taken at 16:50] > >73 de Ko, NL9222 > > > Nice signal from SAQ in Athens > > Costas > > > > > > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | > | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: | > | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | > | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17294 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 18:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 18:19:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrKMR-000NmS-4m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:15:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrKMQ-000NmP-Vv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:15:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrKQY-000Hi2-QT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:19:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrKO5-0002aI-NS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:17:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrKO5-0002a9-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:17:01 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrKO2-0001DC-Rb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:17:01 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CrKNd-0001px-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:16:33 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CrKNd-00073Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:16:33 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c4fe53$014cfd60$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <001b01c4fe4c$9e10fea0$1201a8c0@uwe> X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: SAQ transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear LF Group,

 

The broadcast from SAQ went like this:

 

1650utc – Tuning up

1700utc – Birthday greetings to Bob Nash - message repeated several times.

 

Followed by “Greetings from VT Communications”

 

1716utc – Shut down.

 

Conditions seemed quite noisy for the time of year, with significant QRN, but no problem with copy of the signal. Field strength was estimated at 130uV/m. I also got my electromechanical receiver out again, and was able to use that to copy the signal.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67632 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 18:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 18:46:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrKp8-0007RF-Ke for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:45:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrKp2-0007Os-7E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:44:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrKqk-0004wR-80 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:46:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrKpt-0004mK-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:45:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrKpt-0004mB-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:45:45 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrKpq-0002HW-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:45:45 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.46) id 1CrKpY-0002Mf-Qk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:45:24 +0100 Received: from pd9503cba.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.80.60.186] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CrKpY-0003y1-Bl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: <41EEAAFA.2060105@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:46:18 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian><000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002><001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> <5.0.2.1.0.20050119191024.0332d440@popper.forthnet.gr> <005501c4fe4e$8ed8e5e0$47540150@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <005501c4fe4e$8ed8e5e0$47540150@captbrian> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Bryan, The high-speed data signal is most likely HWU on 18.3 kHz, french navy from Le Blanc. No idea how many mV/m they will produce at your location ... but the signal must be terribly strong in southern UK . It is also one of the strongest VLF signals here in northern DL (besides the German transmitter in Rhauderfehn of course). Furthermore there is the Russion station "RDL" on 18.1 kHz, they seem to have been "playing" with their transmitter shortly after the SAQ transmission - which was confirmed by Ko, I could hear their signal a bit later also. Greetings, Wolf . captbrian schrieb: >A fair signal here but overshadowed by a high speed data sounding signal. Am >I alone in having this problem or is my ancient B41 not up to the >selectivity task. > >G3GVB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78631 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 20:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 20:10:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrM8C-0001mc-R0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:08:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrM8C-0001mR-IM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:08:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrM9t-000GF9-TO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:10:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrM7Z-0001z4-3J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:08:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrM7Y-0001yv-No for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:08:04 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrM7W-000548-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:08:04 +0000 Received: from aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050119200741.BLEV14587.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:07:41 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.184.226]) by aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050119200741.VTPA3971.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:07:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c4fe62$e4e54fa0$e2b80150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian><000301c4fe1c$55629540$e6a4c593@RD40002><001001c4fe26$28dcfc40$12bc0150@captbrian> <5.0.2.1.0.20050119191024.0332d440@popper.forthnet.gr> <005501c4fe4e$8ed8e5e0$47540150@captbrian> <41EEAAFA.2060105@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:10:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) thanks, I am Nr. Brighton and about half a mile from the sea, small wonder then, the strength of HWU . I'll see if I can transcibe it. G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: Wolf DL4YHF To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: SAQ Confirmation > Hi Bryan, > The high-speed data signal is most likely HWU on 18.3 kHz, french navy > from Le Blanc. No idea how many mV/m they will produce at your location > ... but the signal must be terribly strong in southern UK . It is also > one of the strongest VLF signals here in northern DL (besides the German > transmitter in Rhauderfehn of course). > > Furthermore there is the Russion station "RDL" on 18.1 kHz, they seem to > have been "playing" with their transmitter shortly after the SAQ > transmission - which was confirmed by Ko, I could hear their signal a > bit later also. > > Greetings, > Wolf . > > captbrian schrieb: > > >A fair signal here but overshadowed by a high speed data sounding signal. Am > >I alone in having this problem or is my ancient B41 not up to the > >selectivity task. > > > >G3GVB > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72924 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 21:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 21:28:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrNIp-000PQl-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:23:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrNIp-000PQc-1r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:23:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrNN3-0004Lh-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:28:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrNHo-000688-A7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:22:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrNHn-00067z-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:22:43 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrNHi-00078E-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:22:43 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CrNHQ-0003wz-00; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:22:20 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TvXzVmZVoe54p8xr6JSAFy7hRw1J4bewnwRJf-sMMkElt8VhzXMd8n@[217.80.119.123]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CrNHD-1npP9M0; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:22:07 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:22:05 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <582178011.20050119222205@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TvXzVmZVoe54p8xr6JSAFy7hRw1J4bewnwRJf-sMMkElt8VhzXMd8n X-TOI-MSGID: df71a351-deda-4d5e-91e2-c417991b5395 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.83 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Traces of VO1NA visible here since 1800z. Only partial copy of the callsign strings, due to a lot of fading. Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79302 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 22:14:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 22:14:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrO27-000BBG-BS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:10:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrO26-000BAZ-7I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:10:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrO6C-000OXl-0R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:14:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrO4u-0008EW-3j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:13:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrO4r-0008EA-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:13:25 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrO4o-0008Aw-Tu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:13:25 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.135.14.175 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 22:13:02 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c4fe73$be3ed720$af0e8751@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c4fe53$014cfd60$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:10:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: SAQ transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear LF Group,
 
I made an estimate of SAQ's field strength, using a loop antenna and SLM, which came out to 130uV/m. It is around 1000km to Grimeton from my QTH, for which the ERP works out to about 340W - which seems very low. Ground wave losses could account for a few more dB, but I'm sure SAQ used to be stronger than this - I can't find any immediate fault with the equipment or the calculation, and other signals come out about the right level. Has anybody else found SAQ to be weaker than it used to be?
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40832 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 22:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 22:42:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrOVU-000G5Z-35 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrOVT-000G5R-Lj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:40:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrOX9-000AJL-M4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:42:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrOUW-0000w4-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:39:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrOUW-0000vv-GZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:39:56 +0000 Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.157] helo=mwinf3106.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrOUU-0000Hl-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:39:56 +0000 Received: by mwinf3106.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id B127C1800093; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:39:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3102 (wwinf3102 [172.22.158.29]) by mwinf3106.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 971E71800090 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:39:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3987710.1106174371622.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.24.75] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:39:31 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.157 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re. VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Good signal here from 20:30 but no reply to my calls so guess in beacon mode.

Surprising to see such a signal since big solar disturbances only yesterday.

73 Laurie.



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43870 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 22:43:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 22:43:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrOTd-000J4h-Mf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:39:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrOTd-000J4e-Ja for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:39:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrOXo-0005Yx-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:43:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrOXi-00015K-76 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:43:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrOXh-000157-Pt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:43:13 +0000 Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.157] helo=mwinf3114.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrOXf-0000Lz-7i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:43:13 +0000 Received: by mwinf3114.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id 9379A1800096; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:42:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3102 (wwinf3102 [172.22.158.29]) by mwinf3114.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7A8F51800093 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:42:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <14096519.1106174571505.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.24.75] Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 23:42:51 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.157 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re SAQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Not very good copy here with QRN, cannot compare with previous xmissions but seemed weak.

73 Laurie. 



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42242 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 00:30:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 00:30:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrQ92-000FqK-Rl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:25:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrQ92-000FqB-Nh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:25:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrQDG-0000Cy-C8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:30:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrQAd-0000xV-3Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:27:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrQAc-0000xM-QJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:27:30 +0000 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.60]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrQAa-0004Lw-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:27:30 +0000 Received: from 66-44-57-135.s389.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.57.135] helo=piii750.erols.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1CrQAL-00021c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:27:13 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20050119192756.02f274a0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: esanders@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:31:47 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Nan and Sandy Sanders Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 207.172.4.60 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of erols.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: SAQ reception Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Received SAQ just at the noise level at my favorite quiet spot about 40 miles west of Washington, DC. Sandy WB5MMB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63708 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 00:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 00:41:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrQKM-000IC4-Q1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:37:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrQKM-000IC0-LA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:37:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrQOR-000324-Tz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:41:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrQNt-0002Df-Ju for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:41:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrQNr-0002DJ-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:41:11 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrQNn-0004vq-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:41:11 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.240.56 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 00:40:48 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c4fe88$adf15c20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:40:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: SAQ and VO1NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, particularly Lawrence and Jim, It is interesting that your found SAQ weaker than expected. We have had a succession of geomagnetic storms which have had some effect on 136. Brians path from Porto to Magdeburg is showing some 10dB lower signal than "normal". Another point is that 1700z is just around sunset in the UK and there can be a distinct dip in signals as the daylight skywade goes out before the darkness skywave picks up strength, so it is difficult to make clear judgements on so short a transmission. They cannot have been too weak from Grimeton as there was good copy "portable" by Bill Ashlock reported on the LWCA reflector. I dont really have a feel for the relative differences between 136kHz and 17kHz, the latter is well in the "waveguide" propagation part of the spectrum, and the wavelength is so long that a layer of absorbing ionisation may not have a great effect. There was no reports of fading but this may not be surprising on so short a transmission. Joe was reported early this evening (19th) by Hartmut. My interference has subsided now but I have seen nothing at all over the last hour. Even one of the more distant Loran lines is a bit broken. It may be that there was a path early in the "Twilight period" but absorption set in after true darkness on the whole path. Usually I receive Joe almost regardless of conditions. He is weaker during storm periods but I rarely lost the trace on his frequency. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58859 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 02:25:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 02:25:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrRwJ-000E7w-Ln for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:20:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrRwJ-000E7m-7Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:20:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrS0W-0005xZ-5y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:25:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrRxG-0002Ub-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:21:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrRxG-0002UO-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:21:50 +0000 Received: from stress.telefonica.net ([213.4.129.135] helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrRxB-0000h4-DO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:21:50 +0000 Received: from UserADSL ([83.42.12.179]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id IALFVM00.S15 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:21:22 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c4fe96$aa61c460$2101a8c0@UserADSL> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:20:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.4.129.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telefonica.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Fw: Re: RE: SAQ transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 

Hello Jim and all:
 
The signals from SAQ were at similar levels that last year, around 42 dB(µV/m), equivalent to the Jim´s measurement but at 2100 km from Grimeton. The RF signal/noise ratio around 16 dB, using 200 Hz IF bandwith filter.
 
73 de José EA1PX, loc IN53ti
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:10 PM
Subject: LF: Re: RE: SAQ transmission

Dear LF Group,
 
I made an estimate of SAQ's field strength, using a loop antenna and SLM, which came out to 130uV/m. It is around 1000km to Grimeton from my QTH, for which the ERP works out to about 340W - which seems very low. Ground wave losses could account for a few more dB, but I'm sure SAQ used to be stronger than this - I can't find any immediate fault with the equipment or the calculation, and other signals come out about the right level. Has anybody else found SAQ to be weaker than it used to be?
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46544 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 03:16:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 03:16:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrSk0-000OgA-T4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:12:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrSk0-000Og6-MT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:12:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrSoD-0002FP-EN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:16:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrSnB-0007B8-U7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:15:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrSnB-0007Az-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:15:29 +0000 Received: from bay102-f40.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.50] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrSn7-0002vB-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:15:29 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:15:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:14:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001101c4fe88$adf15c20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:14:09 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jan 2005 03:15:06.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D8A53E0:01C4FE9E] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.50 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: RE: LF: SAQ and VO1NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Alan the previous few hours had shown up to 20dB variations of signals of the Eu path from here on signals near 20Khz - I found this sort of variability before on TransPolar paths during these disturbed periods on the lower LF freqs and certainly not the stable daytime path you'd (I'd) expect. Period radom fades were in the order of just 30 secs. I note a web site that monitors the 24Khz Cutler signal from Kentucky with real time sigs graphs on relative signal (lost the link for the time being) but X ray enhancements and noizy fades evident on this non Au and shorter path, Its around 8000Kms and an even more northerly path to SAQ than typical - and as we have found out just a degree or so intrusion in the "nasty zone" can make the odds on attenuation. Signal noiz levels were low (where low is reasonable for a golf course!) here at the time. Lots of lovely short tern X ray event enhanced signals from XDW showing up on the w3eee grabber over the past days, and the decay curves are even more interesting... Not hearing the signal can be just as interesting as hearing it (but I wish I had!!! - well Done Bill et al) Till next time..... Cheers Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq >From: "Alan Melia" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: "LF-Group" >Subject: LF: SAQ and VO1NA >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:40:40 -0000 > >Hi all, particularly Lawrence and Jim, It is interesting that your found >SAQ >weaker than expected. We have had a succession of geomagnetic storms which >have had some effect on 136. Brians path from Porto to Magdeburg is showing >some 10dB lower signal than "normal". Another point is that 1700z is just >around sunset in the UK and there can be a distinct dip in signals as the >daylight skywade goes out before the darkness skywave picks up strength, so >it is difficult to make clear judgements on so short a transmission. They >cannot have been too weak from Grimeton as there was good copy "portable" >by >Bill Ashlock reported on the LWCA reflector. I dont really have a feel for >the relative differences between 136kHz and 17kHz, the latter is well in >the >"waveguide" propagation part of the spectrum, and the wavelength is so long >that a layer of absorbing ionisation may not have a great effect. There was >no reports of fading but this may not be surprising on so short a >transmission. > >Joe was reported early this evening (19th) by Hartmut. My interference has >subsided now but I have seen nothing at all over the last hour. Even one of >the more distant Loran lines is a bit broken. It may be that there was a >path early in the "Twilight period" but absorption set in after true >darkness on the whole path. Usually I receive Joe almost regardless of >conditions. He is weaker during storm periods but I rarely lost the trace >on >his frequency. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia(at)btinternet.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78828 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 03:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 03:35:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrT5B-000Mfv-Dn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:34:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrT5B-000Mfs-Ae for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:34:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrT6q-000LiC-6r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:35:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrT4P-0000Oc-5Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:33:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrT4O-0000OP-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:33:16 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrT4L-0003gU-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:33:16 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.101] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005012003324411300o38bje> (Authid: dmcintyre); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:32:49 +0000 Message-ID: <41EF2654.6020607@att.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:32:36 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowfer LWCA , Longwave Message Board , RSGB LF X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.117 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: SAQ in North Carolina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I have uploaded a 428k .wav file of part of the SAQ transmission. This was received with a 10 foot diameter untuned loop to a Wandel-Goltermann SPM-19 filtered with Spectran and slowed down a bit with Cool-Edit. My audio editing knowledge if very limited. http://w4dex.com/saq/ I also recorded the transmission with a vertical to a HP3586B SLM. Copy was close to the same but I think the loop/WG was a little better. If anyone wants to play with raw audio files I will be glad to upload them in whole or in parts. One file is about 12 MB and the other 24 MB since I forgot to set the recording at the same rate. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21122 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 04:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 04:50:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrUCq-000KLS-3Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:46:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrUCq-000KLP-0d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:46:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrUH2-0007G8-D7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:50:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrUEf-0006pk-1h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:47:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrUEe-0006pb-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:47:56 +0000 Received: from mx-out.forthnet.gr ([193.92.150.5] helo=mx-out-04.forthnet.gr) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrUEa-0006ow-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:47:56 +0000 Received: from mx-av-02.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-04.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K4lW1L016751 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:47:32 +0200 Received: from mx-as-02.forthnet.gr (mx-as.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.226]) by mx-av-02.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K4lWJ9021983 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:47:32 +0200 Received: from forthnet.gr (athmta05.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.26]) by mx-as-02.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K4lVS0018554 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:47:31 +0200 Received: from q2x6f5.ath.forthnet.gr (ppp20-116.ath.forthnet.gr [213.16.163.116] (may be forged)) by forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K4lUbT028466 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:47:30 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20050120064542.03338980@popper.forthnet.gr> X-Sender: kkrallis.ath.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:47:25 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "K. Krallis" In-Reply-To: <001e01c4fe73$be3ed720$af0e8751@w4o8m9> References: <000501c4fe53$014cfd60$e6a4c593@RD40002> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.92.150.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ath.forthnet.gr X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: SAQ transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 22:10 19/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: > I made an estimate of SAQ's field strength, using a loop antenna and SLM, which came out to 130uV/m. It > is around 1000km to Grimeton from my QTH, for which the ERP works out to about 340W - which seems > very low. .... Has anybody else found SAQ to be weaker than it used to be? Yes, Jim, it was 1-2 S-units weaker than usual here in Athens. 73 Costas SV1XV +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: | | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34702 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 05:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 05:01:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrUNZ-000Mhj-1n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:57:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrUNY-000Mhg-VO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:57:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrURc-000AE9-DO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:01:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrUR4-0007vC-DL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:00:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrUR4-0007v3-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:00:46 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrUR1-0007Jx-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:00:46 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAL001AVN8QF9R1@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:00:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0K50QbE004256 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:00:26 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02192-04-5 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:00:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0K4wm3k003599 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:58:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:58:44 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) LF, I have just spent three hours trying to find any practical information on the Web on how to wind a honeycomb coil at home. I can see pictures of the finshed coils but without some step by step photos of how it was done, the pix of the finished product does no good here. There is no rush on this, because in the absence of information, I can use existing materials and make a less efficient single layer solenoid with one diameter conductor spacing, which will get me on the air for now. Does anyone know where the honeycomb coil winding data can be found? J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80055 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 08:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 08:11:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrXO3-00072w-MR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:09:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrXO3-00072t-Io for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:09:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrXPp-0003Id-V2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:11:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrXMv-0007m3-GR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrXMu-0007lk-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:40 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrXMr-0006sM-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:40 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.113 ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005012008081401500cnaqqe>; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:14 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.113; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:13 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:13 +0000 Message-Id: <012020050808.26220.41EF66ED0001F4800000666C22007456720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: Re: LF: Coil Winding, de VY1JA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit J. There are several web sites that detail the making of a honeycomb coil: http://www.oldradioworld.de/gollum/honeyc.htm http://www.crystalradio.net/winder/index.shtml http://www.w4dex.com/lf.htm http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/lfaecoil.htm http://www.qsl.net/~on7yd/136ant.htm#BasketCoil -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi > LF, > > I have just spent three hours trying to find any practical information on > the Web on how to wind a honeycomb coil at home. I can see pictures of the > finshed coils but without some step by step photos of how it was done, the > pix of the finished product does no good here. > > There is no rush on this, because in the absence of information, I can use > existing materials and make a less efficient single layer solenoid with one > diameter conductor spacing, which will get me on the air for now. > > Does anyone know where the honeycomb coil winding data can be found? > > J. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80213 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 08:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 08:11:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrXLf-000FpF-VA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:07:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrXLf-000Fp6-Pv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:07:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrXPi-000MaR-00 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:11:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrXMn-0007lG-Ng for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrXMl-0007kh-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:31 +0000 Received: from mail.mvnet.de ([194.25.108.14]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrXMe-0006rn-P9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:08:31 +0000 Received: from falkenuge02.mvnet.de ([194.25.108.85]) by mail.mvnet.de (8.13.2/) with SMTP id j0K8A4bK018087 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:10:04 +0100 Received: from no.name.available by falkenuge02.mvnet.de via smtpd (for mail.mvnet.de [194.25.108.14]) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 08:08:03 UT Received: from waechter2 ([10.10.0.7]) by mgwl01.mgw.mvnet.de (8.13.1/) with SMTP id j0K87wcn007978 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:07:58 +0100 Received: from 10.254.1.1 by foehn (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:08:34 +0100 Received: from [194.1.2.8] by adlerauge-11.mvnet.de via smtpd (for [10.254.1.10]) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 08:00:02 UT Received: by umnt02.umwelt.loc with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:07:59 +0100 Message-ID: <53C2E6579EEFE245951674BE4CD693622F37BD@umnt02.umwelt.loc> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22=28_UM=2C_300b=29_v=2E_Wedelst=E4dt=2C_Eberhard?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22?= To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:07:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.108.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of um.mv-regierung.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: AW: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, please see http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Spulenwickeln.htm Eberhard -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: J. Allen [mailto:vy1ja@northwestel.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005 05:59 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Coil Winding, de VY1JA LF, I have just spent three hours trying to find any practical information on the Web on how to wind a honeycomb coil at home. I can see pictures of the finshed coils but without some step by step photos of how it was done, the pix of the finished product does no good here. There is no rush on this, because in the absence of information, I can use existing materials and make a less efficient single layer solenoid with one diameter conductor spacing, which will get me on the air for now. Does anyone know where the honeycomb coil winding data can be found? J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53597 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 10:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 10:02:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrZ7P-0007u0-RD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:00:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrZ7P-0007tv-K5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:00:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrZ9B-0002FT-Gk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:02:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrZ6r-00086I-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:00:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrZ6r-000869-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:00:13 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrZ6p-0002fl-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:00:13 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Jan 2005 09:59:49 -0000 Received: from p5081BE17.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (80.129.190.23) by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 10:59:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <001b01c4fed6$d22df460$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:00:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Frequency - List ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I am currently listening below 100 KC.
 
So SAQ was heard too.
 
I was also tuning arround  and heard digital modes and CW beacon . Lately strong audible at 16 KHz " T M "
 
The first sign in "TM" is stronger as following "M"
 
another  "T"  is at 13,5 KHz
 
In my QRG - List are this Beacons not listed.
 
Who knows  TM and T
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
 
 
ad does a german LF reflector exists?
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64517 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 11:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 11:21:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CraLg-0005Ay-3Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:19:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CraLg-0005Av-03 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:19:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CraNH-0008sy-Tx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:21:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CraKW-0006l0-19 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:18:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CraKV-0006kr-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:18:23 +0000 Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.236]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CraKT-00069D-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:18:23 +0000 Received: from preinstapdq0tf (0xc3f9c7d7.hgnxr1.ras.tele.dk [195.249.199.215]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BC825EE057 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:17:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001f01c4fee1$a6b716d0$d7c7f9c3@preinstapdq0tf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Niels_Rudberg_J=F8rgensen?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:17:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of post.tele.dk designates 195.41.46.236 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: LF: Coil Winding, de VY1JA > LF, > > I have just spent three hours trying to find any practical information on > the Web on how to wind a honeycomb coil at home. I can see pictures of the > finshed coils but without some step by step photos of how it was done, the > pix of the finished product does no good here. > > There is no rush on this, because in the absence of information, I can use > existing materials and make a less efficient single layer solenoid with one > diameter conductor spacing, which will get me on the air for now. > > Does anyone know where the honeycomb coil winding data can be found? > > J. > > ~Hello! Why honeycomb coil, basket weave etc? In my humble opinion, the best way of making a high-Q coil or variometer is to use the "pyramid" or "bank" winding method. You may see the method mentioned in Terman, 1943-edition, pg. 84. This method was used for decades by the manufacturers of e.g. marine radio transmitters, primarily because it combines achievable high Q and modest physical dimensions. You may find detailed information on my home page: www.oz8nj.dk This homepage is in danish language, but if you look after "spoler" (=coils), you will find a description in english and a number of photos. BTW, talking of the separation of coil turns, do not believe in the "one-diameter separation", -- this idea is probable ok for short wave, but not in our case. I use RF Litz wire for my coils, I have, however seen old coils wound with solid cotton-covered copper wire. It seems to me, that one should not over-estimate the proximity effect. 73 = Niels, OZ8NJ+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98460 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 11:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 11:33:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CraXp-0008Ju-3c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CraXo-0008Jr-VB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CraZQ-000N4e-PN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:33:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CraYf-0007zK-BS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:33:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CraYe-0007zB-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:33:00 +0000 Received: from [212.250.162.17] (helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CraYc-0006jm-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:33:00 +0000 Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050120113235.PXTG14587.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:35 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.75]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050120113234.NQDC769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:32:34 +0000 Message-ID: <003c01c4fee4$1a475ea0$4b540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> <001f01c4fee1$a6b716d0$d7c7f9c3@preinstapdq0tf> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I scanned the whole of that page but all references to "spoler" seem to have become "unspolen" Bryan G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: Niels Rudberg Jørgensen To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Allen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:58 AM > Subject: LF: Coil Winding, de VY1JA > > > > LF, > > > > I have just spent three hours trying to find any practical information on > > the Web on how to wind a honeycomb coil at home. I can see pictures of > the > > finshed coils but without some step by step photos of how it was done, the > > pix of the finished product does no good here. > > > > There is no rush on this, because in the absence of information, I can use > > existing materials and make a less efficient single layer solenoid with > one > > diameter conductor spacing, which will get me on the air for now. > > > > Does anyone know where the honeycomb coil winding data can be found? > > > > J. > > > > > ~Hello! > Why honeycomb coil, basket weave etc? > In my humble opinion, the best way of making a high-Q coil or variometer > is to use the "pyramid" or "bank" winding method. > You may see the method mentioned in Terman, 1943-edition, pg. 84. > This method was used for decades by the manufacturers of e.g. marine radio > transmitters, primarily because it combines achievable high Q and modest > physical dimensions. > You may find detailed information on my home page: www.oz8nj.dk > This homepage is in danish language, but if you look after "spoler" > (=coils), > you will find a description in english and a number of photos. > BTW, talking of the separation of coil turns, do not believe in the > "one-diameter > separation", -- this idea is probable ok for short wave, but not in our > case. > I use RF Litz wire for my coils, I have, however seen old coils wound with > solid cotton-covered copper wire. It seems to me, that one should not > over-estimate the proximity effect. > 73 = > Niels, OZ8NJ+ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27609 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 11:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 11:35:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CraZl-0008nX-3J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:34:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CraZk-0008nS-Rr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:34:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrabW-0007Yw-CE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrabG-0008F9-Lf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrabE-0008Em-76 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:40 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrabA-0006qf-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:40 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.172.99 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 11:35:17 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c4fee4$0e294200$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:34:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: SAQ and VO1NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Laurence, yes you will experience much more interaction with the Geomag effects on a path like yours crossing the polar region. At a period like this when there is a proton event, quite a big one, there will be a lot of PCA (Polar Cap Absorption) as well as all the other nasties that abound in those regions. Surprisingly enough there was not a lot of auroral activity which may suggests that although we got a Kp=7 event the shock front only made a glancing collision with the magnetoshpere. There is a suggestion that the next expected CME (today sometime) probably will not be fully Earth facing. This spot certainly has been another big-un I cant remember many even at the peak that produced so many X-rated flares....there was another this morning 0800z ish. Joe was very poor strength here last night. I can just detevct a trace , not decodable, from him at about 0200z and some traces around 0500 but very weak. I think he must be about 20dB down on normal. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: Sent: 20 January 2005 03:14 Subject: RE: LF: SAQ and VO1NA > Alan the previous few hours had shown up to 20dB variations of signals of > the Eu path from here on signals near 20Khz - I found this sort of > variability before on TransPolar paths during these disturbed periods on the > lower LF freqs and certainly not the stable daytime path you'd (I'd) > expect. Period radom fades were in the order of just 30 secs. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31510 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 11:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 11:37:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrabC-00095e-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrabC-00095b-OE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:35:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Craco-000Ofg-LF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:37:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cracp-0008RH-4u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:37:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Craco-0008R8-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:37:18 +0000 Received: from mx-out.forthnet.gr ([193.92.150.5] helo=mx-out-01.forthnet.gr) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cracm-0006w6-5O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:37:18 +0000 Received: from mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-01.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0KBb1fR029057 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:37:01 +0200 Received: from mx-as-03.forthnet.gr (mx-as.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.226]) by mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0KBb1Ns009132 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:37:01 +0200 Received: from forthnet.gr (athmta03.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.22]) by mx-as-03.forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0KBb1eU015836 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:37:01 +0200 Received: from q2x6f5.ath.forthnet.gr (ppp6-94.ath.forthnet.gr [213.16.149.94]) by forthnet.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0KBax7q016365 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:37:00 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20050120133529.02ec3a90@popper.forthnet.gr> X-Sender: kkrallis.ath.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:36:56 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "K. Krallis" In-Reply-To: <001b01c4fed6$d22df460$1201a8c0@uwe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.92.150.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ath.forthnet.gr X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Frequency - List ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 11:00 20/1/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I am currently listening below 100 KC. > >So SAQ was heard too. > >I was also tuning arround and heard digital modes and CW beacon . Lately strong audible at 16 KHz " T M " > >The first sign in "TM" is stronger as following "M" > >another "T" is at 13,5 KHz > >In my QRG - List are this Beacons not listed. > >Who knows TM and T Hi Uwe, these "T"s and "M"s are actually pulses of the russian ALPHA VLF navigation system. Costas, SV1XV +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: | | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41958 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 11:50:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CralC-0002MB-J9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:46:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CralC-0002M4-87 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:45:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrapC-0004k5-QJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:50:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CraoJ-00012H-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:49:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CraoJ-000124-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:49:11 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CraoG-0007Pu-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:49:11 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Jan 2005 11:48:49 -0000 Received: from p5081BE17.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (80.129.190.23) by mail.gmx.net (mp013) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 12:48:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <000801c4fee6$0c481400$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.0.2.1.0.20050120133529.02ec3a90@popper.forthnet.gr> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:49:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) many thanks do You know where the are located, heard later on also "TO" Uwe, DK1KQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Krallis" To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: LF: Re: Frequency - List ? > At 11:00 20/1/2005 +0100, you wrote: > >I am currently listening below 100 KC. > > > >So SAQ was heard too. > > > >I was also tuning arround and heard digital modes and CW beacon . Lately strong audible at 16 KHz " T M " > > > >The first sign in "TM" is stronger as following "M" > > > >another "T" is at 13,5 KHz > > > >In my QRG - List are this Beacons not listed. > > > >Who knows TM and T > > Hi Uwe, these "T"s and "M"s are actually > pulses of the russian ALPHA VLF navigation > system. > > Costas, SV1XV > > > > > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | > | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: | > | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | > | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79627 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 12:02:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Craxa-0006rU-P8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:58:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CraxY-0006qt-W4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:58:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crb1Z-00093k-GB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:02:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crb0p-00022q-HP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:02:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crb0p-00022h-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:02:07 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crb0l-0007sk-I4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:02:07 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0KC1anp028705 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:31:36 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0KC1aTW022896 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:31:36 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0KC1aqs018993; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:31:36 -0330 (NST) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:31:35 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: RSGB In-Reply-To: <3987710.1106174371622.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> Message-ID: References: <3987710.1106174371622.JavaMail.www@wwinf3102> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re. VO1NA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Laurie, Group, Sorry, I wasn't monitoring at the time. It looks as if I missed another chance for TA QSO unfortunately. I have been in the beacon mode for the past few days. A "K" following the call sign indicates that ARGO is running and FFT'ing for a reply near 135.922 kHz, otherwise it's beacon mode. This morning, I checked the RF power and current into the coax (I now have the tuning network at the end of the wire aerial and fed with coax). Both were very low. Fortunately, the aerial survived the freezing rain last night-- at least it is still in the air, bit there is still something wrong and the TX is now off the air. I expect the usual battles with mother nature in keeping the beacon running this winter. 73 Joe On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC wrote: > Good signal here from 20:30 but no reply to my calls so guess in beacon mode. > Surprising to see such a signal since big solar disturbances only yesterday. > 73 Laurie. > > -- > > Whatever you Wanadoo: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ > > This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14514 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 12:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 12:14:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crb8v-000BeO-4D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:10:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crb8t-000Bd7-4M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:10:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrbD3-0005HE-5t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:14:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrbBw-0002xB-88 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:13:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrbBu-0002wp-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:13:34 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-01.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.71] helo=smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrbBq-0008IA-SC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:13:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 17467 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 12:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2005 12:13:11 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c4fee9$5312e9c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:12:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) J - Bill Bowers has spent a lot of time evaluating coil construction techniques. I don't know if any of his articles from The Lowdown are available on-line. If not, they should be! From memory, here are a few of his conclusions: -Many of the rules for MF and HF coils do not apply at LF. Most of the losses are simply due to the RF resistance of the wire. The best Q at LF will generally result from creating the desired inductance with the least amount of wire. To that end, coils with a diameter of (2.5 x length) give the best Q. This is contrary to MF/HF practice! The best wire is Litz, with hundreds of strands of fine gauge wire. But if you stick with the 2.5xlength form factor, you can do very well with plastic-insulated solid conductor wire. Inter-winding capacitance is not a big issue, so basket-weaving does not have the benefit that it does at high frequencies. If I recall correctly, the same applies to turn spacing -- you want to achieve your inductance with the minimum length of wire, and spacing the turns will cause you to use more wire. When all is said and done, there is no sense in quibbling about fractions of an ohm when your ground loss is 20 ohms! Anyway, if anyone can point Jay to Bill Bowers' articles, it would be appreciated. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59412 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 13:04:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 13:04:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crbxw-000AbO-9Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:03:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crbxm-000AZ4-7l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:03:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrbzN-0000yt-63 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:04:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crbwx-0006dy-Ga for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:02:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crbwx-0006dp-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:02:11 +0000 Received: from mailfe01.swip.net ([212.247.154.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crbwq-0001eD-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:02:11 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.38.49] ([213.101.38.49] verified) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 272938430 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:01:36 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.1]); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:02:03 -0100 Message-ID: <41EFB9DA.2040304@tele2.se> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:02:02 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.0.2.1.0.20050120133529.02ec3a90@popper.forthnet.gr> <000801c4fee6$0c481400$1201a8c0@uwe> In-Reply-To: <000801c4fee6$0c481400$1201a8c0@uwe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.1 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Uwe, there is a lot of VLF information on www.vlf.it. You can find information on the Alpha system on www.vlf.it/alphatrond/alpha.htm. 73 Johan SM6LKM Uwe Wensauer skrev: > many thanks > do You know where the are located, heard later on also "TO" -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 2005-01-19 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29847 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 13:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 13:29:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrcJj-0007as-To for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:25:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrcJj-0007ao-En for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:25:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrcNt-0000ly-Al for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrcMt-0000EU-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrcMt-0000EL-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:59 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrcMq-0002bX-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:59 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CrcL3-0004dE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:27:05 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CrcL3-0005e0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:27:05 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:27:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4fef3$bba4e330$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear J, LF Group, I would certainly go for the simple solenoid initially - it is much easier to make, and also to alter the inductance via tapping points, which is usually necessary when setting the system up. Also, "highest Q" is not necessarily "best" for a transmitting antenna loading coil. You must also consider the effects of heating, and insulation breakdown, which will often be worse with a multi-layer winding compared to a solenoid, due to packing more turns together. Q is not a strong function of the physical dimensions, so you usually need a drastic increase in size to make a big improvement to the Q. The overall system improvement possible by going from a reasonably good loading coil to a really high-Q loading coil is usually less than 1dB, which is small compared to what can often be achieved by modifying the antenna slightly. My suggestion would be to wind a solenoid using the largest diameter former and thickest wire you have available, with plenty of tapping points and not worrying too much about the geometry of the coil. Once the system is working, you will be able to evaluate the losses in the coil and antenna, and decide if it is worthwhile making a better loading coil. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29181 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 13:51:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 13:51:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrchB-000PBi-5V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:49:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrchA-000PBX-RL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:49:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crcil-000CMU-He for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:51:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crchv-0001xZ-FI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:50:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crchv-0001xQ-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:50:43 +0000 Received: from mailfe07.swip.net ([212.247.154.193]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crchr-0003RI-OL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:50:43 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.38.68] ([213.101.38.68] verified) by mailfe07.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.7) with ESMTP id 77869445 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:50:20 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.1]); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:50:47 -0100 Message-ID: <41EFC522.6020605@tele2.se> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:50:10 -0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: sv, en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4fef3$bba4e330$e6a4c593@RD40002> In-Reply-To: <000001c4fef3$bba4e330$e6a4c593@RD40002> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.193 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) J, if you follow Jim's suggestion to wind a solenoidal coil, I would suggest using G4FGQ's program "solnoid3" to estimate inductance and Q. The program is available here: http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp/ I have found this program to be quite accurate but the Q estimated by the program is only valid for solid wire. Litz wire will give higher Q, perhaps twice as much (?). 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 2005-01-19 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14028 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 14:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 14:19:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crd8I-0005t5-VH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:18:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crd6r-0005og-As for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:16:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crd8S-000MPB-6R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:18:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crd62-0003o9-7Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:15:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crd61-0003o0-TW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:15:37 +0000 Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.235]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crd5w-0004LA-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:15:37 +0000 Received: from preinstapdq0tf (0xc3d7e241.hgnxr2.ras.tele.dk [195.215.226.65]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B9D447FEBC for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:15:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c4fefa$6aaae400$41e2d7c3@preinstapdq0tf> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Niels_Rudberg_J=F8rgensen?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> <001f01c4fee1$a6b716d0$d7c7f9c3@preinstapdq0tf> <003c01c4fee4$1a475ea0$4b540150@captbrian> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:14:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of post.tele.dk designates 195.41.46.235 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA > I scanned the whole of that page but all references to "spoler" seem to have > become "unspolen" Sorry indeed. Anyway, thanks for your swift reaction. I will see that this problem gets wound up again as soon as possible. 73 Niels+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39814 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 15:30:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 15:30:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CreFC-000280-6q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:29:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CreFC-00027x-06 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:29:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CreGw-0001Zp-E2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:30:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CreEE-0000tu-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:28:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CreEE-0000tl-Ie for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:28:10 +0000 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CreEC-00079X-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:28:10 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-185.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.185] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CreDi-000AKj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:27:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c4fedd$f0b8ffe0$b9c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> <002501c4fee9$5312e9c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:50:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > > Anyway, if anyone can point Jay to Bill Bowers' articles, it would be > appreciated. > > John Andrews > An article called Low Frequency Coil Q, by Bill Bowers, is reproduced in the Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook, Page 65 It probably lives on my system somewhere as an .rtf or.doc file so I can send it as an e-mail attachment if anyone wants it. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50603 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 16:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 16:24:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crf2Y-000Bo4-3H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:20:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crf2X-000Bno-Gc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:20:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crf6W-00093G-D4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:24:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crf52-0004wF-PO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:22:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crf52-0004w6-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:22:44 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crf4y-0000il-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:22:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 22339 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 16:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2005 16:22:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c4ff0c$867dac50$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> <002501c4fee9$5312e9c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001c01c4fedd$f0b8ffe0$b9c828c3@erica> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:24:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Peter, > An article called Low Frequency Coil Q, by Bill Bowers, is reproduced in the > Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook, Page 65 That's probably where I saw it, as I didn't belong to the LWCA back when Bill wrote a lot of those articles. And Jim makes a very good point -- the U.S. work done at the 1 watt level may help you create an excellent flamethrower at 1 kw. Thought has to be given to breakdown voltages. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15615 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 17:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 17:29:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crg3P-0009X6-1J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:25:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crg3O-0009Wq-IE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:25:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crg7X-0001Zv-9g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:29:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crg5D-0001fF-AX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:26:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crg5C-0001f6-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:26:58 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crg59-0003Jc-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:26:58 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Jan 2005 17:26:35 -0000 Received: from p5081BE17.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (80.129.190.23) by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 18:26:35 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <002d01c4ff15$3e5265c0$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.0.2.1.0.20050120133529.02ec3a90@popper.forthnet.gr> <000801c4fee6$0c481400$1201a8c0@uwe> <41EFB9DA.2040304@tele2.se> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:26:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hallo Johan, of coarse I know RSD-20 (Alpha) but what is causing CW T; TM and TO ? Uwe, DK1KQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Bodin" To: Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? > Uwe, > > there is a lot of VLF information on www.vlf.it. > > You can find information on the Alpha system on > www.vlf.it/alphatrond/alpha.htm. > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM > > Uwe Wensauer skrev: > > many thanks > > do You know where the are located, heard later on also "TO" > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 2005-01-19 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9632 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 17:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 17:51:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrgRn-000FIv-8X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrgRm-000FIk-QX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrgTW-00077F-SB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:52:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrgSD-0003aT-Rc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrgSD-0003aK-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:45 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrgS9-0004Fv-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:45 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005012017502001500cm36ne>; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:20 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.111; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:19 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:50:19 +0000 Message-Id: <012020051750.11452.41EFEF5A000E97EE00002CBC22058864420B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit An article called Low Frequency Coil Q, by Bill Bowers, is reproduced in the > Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook, Page 65 Be careful ! There is a typo in this article in the Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook. The equation for D on p.66 reads: D = 6x[lxd^2]^1/4 If you use this equation you cannot reproduce the result shown in the example. The final exponent should be 1/3 not 1/4, the equation should read: D = 6x[lxd^2]^1/3 -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi > > > > > Anyway, if anyone can point Jay to Bill Bowers' articles, it would be > > appreciated. > > > > John Andrews > > > An article called Low Frequency Coil Q, by Bill Bowers, is reproduced in the > Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook, Page 65 > > It probably lives on my system somewhere as an .rtf or.doc file so I can > send it as an e-mail attachment if anyone wants it. > > Peter, G3LDO > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25708 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 18:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 18:07:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crgek-000L6f-PS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:03:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crgek-000L6c-Lw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:03:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crgii-000MnO-Qb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:07:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crghs-0004oo-B0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crghr-0004of-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:55 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crghp-0004rX-B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:55 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.114 ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20050120180630014000urpte>; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:30 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.114; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:29 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:06:29 +0000 Message-Id: <012020051806.12467.41EFF3250001D6AB000030B322007503300B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I should have pointed out in my last post that I realized the result through dimensional analysis: the term lxd^2 has dimesions of length cubed in order for D to be in length units, the exponent of the above term must be 1/3, not 1/4 -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi > An article called Low Frequency Coil Q, by Bill Bowers, is reproduced in the > > Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook, Page 65 > > Be careful ! There is a typo in this article in the Low Frequency > Experimenter's Handbook. > The equation for D on p.66 reads: > D = 6x[lxd^2]^1/4 > If you use this equation you cannot reproduce the result shown in the > example. > The final exponent should be 1/3 not 1/4, the equation should read: > D = 6x[lxd^2]^1/3 > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if anyone can point Jay to Bill Bowers' articles, it would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > John Andrews > > > > > An article called Low Frequency Coil Q, by Bill Bowers, is reproduced in the > > Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook, Page 65 > > > > It probably lives on my system somewhere as an .rtf or.doc file so I can > > send it as an e-mail attachment if anyone wants it. > > > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33617 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 20:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 20:50:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrjBs-000AbT-2k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:46:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrjBs-000AbQ-04 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:46:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrjFp-0005xj-0c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:50:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrjDL-000293-FG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrjDL-00028u-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:35 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrjDI-0003JB-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:47:35 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAM00J1PV2TMIQ1@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0KKlHOY010312 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:47:17 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08635-05-2 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:47:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0KKj6vw009391 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:45:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:45:01 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <005c01c4ff30$ea189850$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <000001c4fef3$bba4e330$e6a4c593@RD40002> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Jim, and all the others who replied, Thank you for your responses. I am building the interim loading coil as a solenoid, because of simplicity and materials available, which include: PVC Formers: qty L D 1 70 cm 27cm. 2 100cm 32cm. 1 84 cm 32 cm. and 50 lb. #17 magnet wire, insulated with Formvar. I bought the magnet wire for scrap copper, because the reel it was on had broken and it needs to be unscrambled. The task is turning out to be much easier than I first thought. Alex's calculation of my antenna system indicates that a base loading coil of 700 Ohms is needed. I was thinking of reducing the solenoid loss by paralleling two or more #17 wires and close-winding them. If I parallel wind three #17 wires will it be worth the effort in reducing coil loss or does a simple coil with only one #17 conductor make any sense here? I will be running 200 W for now. How do I calculate and decide which form to use if I use three #17 wires in a flat and close wound configuration, and want to end up with 700 Ohms? The suggestion that I add a few taps is good... but I will not need the fine taps because I have two very large, edge wound roller inductors to use for fine tuning. Thanks again, J. "J" From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18989 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 20:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 20:50:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrjEI-0002cQ-Qk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:48:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrjEI-0002cJ-1X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:48:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrjG1-00034g-9L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:50:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrjC7-000215-8v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:46:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrjC4-00020j-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:46:16 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrjBz-0003Et-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:46:16 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.163.253 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 20:45:50 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c4ff30$ba403660$fda38351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c4fed6$d22df460$1201a8c0@uwe> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:41:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Frequency - List ? 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Dear Uwe, LF Group,
 
There are 3 (?) alpha beacons, each one transmits on the 3 frequencies in a repeating sequence. The sequence is made up of 6 time slots of 0.4s with a 0.2s gap between them. So if a beacon transmits in one of the time slots, it sounds like a dash, or if no beacon transmits in that time slot, it sounds like a space. The signal strength of each dash varies, depending on which beacon is transmitting, and how far it is from your QTH. Also the sequence is different on the 3 frequencies -at my QTH, at present I hear:
 
11.905kHz "T O", with the T stronger than the O,
12.649kHz "T T", with the second T strongest
14.881kHz "T M", with the T stronger than the M
 
If you can listen in a 3kHz bandwidth to all 3 frequencies at the same time, it becomes more obvious.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: LF: Frequency - List ?

I am currently listening below 100 KC.
 
So SAQ was heard too.
 
I was also tuning arround  and heard digital modes and CW beacon . Lately strong audible at 16 KHz " T M "
 
The first sign in "TM" is stronger as following "M"
 
another  "T"  is at 13,5 KHz
 
In my QRG - List are this Beacons not listed.
 
Who knows  TM and T
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
 
 
ad does a german LF reflector exists?
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82390 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrnZy-0000bm-Le for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:27:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrnZy-0000bj-H3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:27:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crnds-000LsC-TL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:31:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrnYk-0007yh-Ql for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:25:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrnYk-0007yY-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:25:58 +0000 Received: from simmts8.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.166] helo=simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrnYd-0005js-Mr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:25:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.177.198]) by simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050121012524.UAH1623.simmts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]> for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:25:24 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:28:15 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c4fee9$5312e9c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 206.47.199.166 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sympatico.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > > Bill Bowers has spent a lot of time evaluating coil construction techniques. > I don't know if any of his articles from The Lowdown are available on-line. > If not, they should be! From memory, here are a few of his conclusions: > > Anyway, if anyone can point Jay to Bill Bowers' articles, it would be > appreciated. john: I have had a copy of Bill's January 2000 design article up for a number of years. Even with spelling mistakes (mine ) it might be useful. http://technology.fanshawec.on.ca/tele354/bowers.htm I could probably find and re-post the Feb 1996 article - which I have removed. Mitch From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86377 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 01:31:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrnZy-0000bf-Gq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:27:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrnZy-0000bc-E2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:27:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crne4-0005SZ-St for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:31:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrncG-0008Ct-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:29:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrncG-0008Ck-Fm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:29:36 +0000 Received: from simmts12.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.141] helo=simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrncD-0005qe-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:29:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.177.198]) by simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050121012913.SZOL1542.simmts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]> for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:29:13 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:32:04 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012020051750.11452.41EFEF5A000E97EE00002CBC22058864420B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 206.47.199.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sympatico.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > > Be careful ! There is a typo in this article in the Low Frequency > Experimenter's Handbook. > The equation for D on p.66 reads: > D = 6x[lxd^2]^1/4 > If you use this equation you cannot reproduce the result shown in the example. > The final exponent should be 1/3 not 1/4, the equation should read: > D = 6x[lxd^2]^1/3 > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ http://technology.fanshawec.on.ca/tele354/bowers.htm MP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95498 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 06:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 06:47:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrsXs-000KWd-A6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:45:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrsXr-000KWT-WD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:45:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrsZY-0007bD-Iu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:47:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrsVR-00049D-T0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:42:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrsVR-000494-Gq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:42:53 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrsVO-0007ds-N1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:42:53 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0L6gO1B070585 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:42:24 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0L6gKIG025140 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:42:21 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00243 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:59:44 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:59:44 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <005c01c4ff30$ea189850$6401a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear J, On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > Alex's calculation of my antenna system indicates that a base loading coil > of 700 Ohms is needed. > > I was thinking of reducing the solenoid loss by paralleling two or more #17 > wires and close-winding them. If I parallel wind three #17 wires will it be > worth the effort in reducing coil loss or does a simple coil with only one > #17 conductor make any sense here? If You paralleling two or more wires then coil loss will NOT decrease too much. Moreover in some case loss can increase not decrease. It depend on coil shape (D/l ratio). It is not too dificult to understand. If You use two or more wires then coil length increase. This yeld more turns to achive inductance needed. More turns - more wire length - more loss in one wire. But certanly two wires in parallel have less resistance. Then Q-factor will be APROXIMATLY the same. Use two or more wires in parallel is resonable to optimaze former_diameter/winding_length ratio of a solenoid ONLY. Winding with space equal to wire diameter yelds Q-factor beter. But not too much. Dependence is not strong. Thus You can wind Your coil close. Moreover Q-factor depend ONLY on wire-diameter/winding-space ratio, coil-diameter/winding-length ratio, former diameter and DO NOT depend on wire diameter itself (if wire radius is more then pentation depth). This conclusion looks very strange of cose. I was very suprised when I derive such a conclusion theoreticaly few years ago. But few experiments with some coils ensure me this is true:-) This strange behaviour of Q-factor is a result of proximity effect. What is diameter of wire #17 in millimeters? I'll do aproximate estimation coil with Your formers. Though wire is coper... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89118 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 07:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 07:43:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrtO0-000Ozv-9K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:39:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrtO0-000Ozo-1H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:39:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrtRs-0009CF-EJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:43:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrtR4-0001BH-JQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:42:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrtR4-0001B8-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:42:26 +0000 Received: from [212.250.162.15] (helo=mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrtQz-0001mD-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:42:26 +0000 Received: from aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050121074202.NUVH2441.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:42:02 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050121074201.FLYF3971.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:42:01 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:41:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F0B245.10974.3969DA@localhost> In-reply-to: <005c01c4ff30$ea189850$6401a8c0@eagles> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.15 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832 Subject: Re: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On 20 Jan 2005 at 20:45, J. Allen wrote: > I was thinking of reducing the solenoid loss by paralleling two or > more #17 wires and close-winding them. If I parallel wind three #17 > wires will it be worth the effort in reducing coil loss or does a > simple coil with only one #17 conductor make any sense here? I will > be running 200 W for now. I made a coil some time ago with two parallel wires and it did not perform well at all. I do not know why. In any case, there is no point in spending too much time on the coil when the 'earth' (actually environmental) losses will be far greater. You would be better spending the effort on improving the antenna and insulation. Mike, G3XDV http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk ========================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61522 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 09:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 09:54:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrvR3-0007sM-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:50:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrvR1-0007re-Gp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:50:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrvV5-0007bA-8q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:54:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrvSM-00037B-Ds for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:51:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrvSL-00036p-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:51:53 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrvSI-0006lt-Uf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:51:53 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jan 2005 09:51:23 -0000 Received: from pD9514AC6.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (217.81.74.198) by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 10:51:23 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <000b01c4ff9e$d6254960$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c4fed6$d22df460$1201a8c0@uwe> <002901c4ff30$ba403660$fda38351@w4o8m9> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:51:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? 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Hallo Jim and Group,
 
thanks for Your good explanation.
 
Today, to my surprise, new signal heard and recorded. May be new or other ?
 
3 dashes.
If I set my RX to 12,67 KHz and BFO to +1000Hz
I hear at 1031Hz, 994Hz and 830Hz
Separation not measured (yet)
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:41 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Frequency - List ?

Dear Uwe, LF Group,
 
There are 3 (?) alpha beacons, each one transmits on the 3 frequencies in a repeating sequence. The sequence is made up of 6 time slots of 0.4s with a 0.2s gap between them. So if a beacon transmits in one of the time slots, it sounds like a dash, or if no beacon transmits in that time slot, it sounds like a space. The signal strength of each dash varies, depending on which beacon is transmitting, and how far it is from your QTH. Also the sequence is different on the 3 frequencies -at my QTH, at present I hear:
 
11.905kHz "T O", with the T stronger than the O,
12.649kHz "T T", with the second T strongest
14.881kHz "T M", with the T stronger than the M
 
If you can listen in a 3kHz bandwidth to all 3 frequencies at the same time, it becomes more obvious.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:00 AM
Subject: LF: Frequency - List ?

I am currently listening below 100 KC.
 
So SAQ was heard too.
 
I was also tuning arround  and heard digital modes and CW beacon . Lately strong audible at 16 KHz " T M "
 
The first sign in "TM" is stronger as following "M"
 
another  "T"  is at 13,5 KHz
 
In my QRG - List are this Beacons not listed.
 
Who knows  TM and T
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
 
 
ad does a german LF reflector exists?
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81576 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 10:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 10:38:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrwA7-000NPU-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:37:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrwA6-000NPL-PR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:37:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrwBa-000G08-C3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:38:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrwAb-0006zh-J3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:37:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrwAa-0006zP-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrwAX-0000KA-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Crw9y-0004Mw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:58 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Crw9x-0003cx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:57 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4ffa5$219fe430$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: RE: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) What is diameter of wire #17 in millimeters? I'll do aproximate estimation coil with Your formers. Though wire is coper... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb ...About 1.2mm, according to my ARRL handbook. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73925 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 11:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 11:10:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrwcH-0005yg-9R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:06:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrwcH-0005yd-5H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:06:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Crwg8-00067q-90 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:10:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crwd6-0000uR-9r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:07:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crwd5-0000uI-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:07:03 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crwd2-0001Xi-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:07:03 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-069.fen-net.de [212.204.116.69]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0LB4LuO016108 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:04:21 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002901c4ffaa$428bd500$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:13:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j0LB4LuO016108 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Uwe, I think, the "T", "M", "O" are different stations with these calls. They are transmitting at different times, so you can hear the different calls. The fieldstrength is not the same for the stations, this points out to the different locations - I think. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Uwe Wensauer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2005 18:27 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? >Hallo Johan, >of coarse I know RSD-20 (Alpha) but what is causing CW T; TM and TO ? >Uwe, DK1KQ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Johan Bodin" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:02 PM >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? > > >> Uwe, >> >> there is a lot of VLF information on www.vlf.it. >> >> You can find information on the Alpha system on >> www.vlf.it/alphatrond/alpha.htm. >> >> 73 >> Johan SM6LKM >> >> Uwe Wensauer skrev: >> > many thanks >> > do You know where the are located, heard later on also "TO" >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 2005-01-19 >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96621 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 11:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 11:54:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrxLW-000ICO-R3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:53:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrxLW-000ICG-DX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:52:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrxMz-000H8w-GR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:54:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrxLb-0004Zn-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:53:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrxLa-0004Ze-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:53:02 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrxLY-0003Lq-76 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:53:02 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAO00LO10ZU6XZ0@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:52:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0LBqfoT010376 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:52:41 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09187-02 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:52:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0LBqAW0010088 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:52:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:52:05 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001601c4ffaf$a12913c0$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <41F0B245.10974.3969DA@localhost> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike, Alex and LF, I agree that spending my time on the antenna and ground would produce a more dramatic improvement, but it is winter in Yukon, and -30 outside.... I am trying to get my initial signal on the air with the existing HF tower and V-Beam antenna as an inverted L on 137, with a borrowed 200 W transmitter. In the spring, there is enuf material to put in a relatively good grounding system, improve the existing inverted L antenna and even install a loop to compare the inverted L with. That is why my request for information on winding a honeycomb loading coil is not a rush item. For now, I want to make the coil and do the rest of the station setup in a manner which balances performance with setup speed. The wire is #17 and measures 16 conductors close spaced in 2 cm. I know that this is a little bigger than the ARRL handbook, but it may be due to the thin layer of Formvar insulation on the wire. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27277 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 13:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 13:05:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CryPU-000FXp-2j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:01:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CryPT-000FXm-W2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:01:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CryTX-0008Ew-3C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:05:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CryQS-0001ej-Ep for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:02:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CryQP-0001ea-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:02:05 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CryQL-00063L-Av for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:02:05 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.47) id 1CryPn-0008IZ-7U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:01:27 +0100 Received: from p5090465e.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.70.94] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CryPm-0008M5-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:01:27 +0100 Message-ID: <41F0FD27.6070703@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:01:27 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c4fed6$d22df460$1201a8c0@uwe> <002901c4ff30$ba403660$fda38351@w4o8m9> <000b01c4ff9e$d6254960$1201a8c0@uwe> In-Reply-To: <000b01c4ff9e$d6254960$1201a8c0@uwe> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Uwe, There may be up to 7 "Alpha" frequencies active at the same time. I have a screenshot of them if you are interested, recorded several months ago. Some of them can be seen on the Spectrum Lab screenshot in "radio direction finder" mode on my website. Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92903 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 13:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 13:05:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CryQH-000FiF-Jk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:01:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CryQH-000Fi7-6p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:01:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CryUK-0000C7-AP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:06:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CryUF-0001xC-Dn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:06:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CryUF-0001x3-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:06:03 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CryUB-0006Cz-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:06:03 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.47) id 1CryTj-0003p2-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:05:31 +0100 Received: from p5090465e.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.70.94] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CryTj-0006Ac-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <41F0FE22.7090905@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:05:38 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002901c4ffaa$428bd500$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <002901c4ffaa$428bd500$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Walter, In fact, they don't send Morse. The pulse durations are always the same (no callsigns). See previous post. (I spent some time on RDF'ing on VLF using DF6NM's principle, the different "dots" come from different directions). 73, Wolf DL4YHF . Walter Staubach schrieb: >Dear Uwe, > I think, the "T", "M", "O" are different stations with these calls. >They are transmitting at different times, so you can hear the different >calls. The fieldstrength is not the same for the stations, this points out >to the different locations - I think. >73 Walter DJ2LF > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51747 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 13:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 13:50:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crz9D-000OWd-Td for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:48:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crz9D-000OWZ-PX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:48:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrzAg-0008lP-6J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:49:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Crz9h-0005om-Gf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:48:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Crz9h-0005od-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:48:53 +0000 Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.23] ident=OTEnet-mail-system) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Crz9e-000898-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:48:53 +0000 Received: from otenet.gr (myti530-a058.otenet.gr [212.205.251.186]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.2/8.13.2/Debian-OTEnet-2) with ESMTP id j0LDmTTr017198 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:48:30 +0200 Message-ID: <41F10756.2080602@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:44:54 +0200 From: Alex Deligiannis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c4fe53$014cfd60$e6a4c593@RD40002> <5.0.2.1.0.20050120064542.03338980@popper.forthnet.gr> In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20050120064542.03338980@popper.forthnet.gr> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.170.0.23 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of otenet.gr X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: SAQ transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, Unfortunately I didn't hear the SAQ transmission as I was far from home (QRL), but I put an untuned big T antenna to a Skanti receiver and I just heard 4 long dashes (tuning phase) few minutes before 17:00z. All the other FSK and times signal was there so I believe that the actual power was less than usual. 73's Alex K. Krallis wrote: > At 22:10 19/1/2005 +0000, you wrote: > > >>I made an estimate of SAQ's field strength, using a loop antenna and SLM, which came out to 130uV/m. It >>is around 1000km to Grimeton from my QTH, for which the ERP works out to about 340W - which seems >>very low. .... Has anybody else found SAQ to be weaker than it used to be? > > > Yes, Jim, it was 1-2 S-units weaker than usual here in Athens. > > 73 Costas SV1XV > > > > > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | > | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: | > | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | > | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | > +------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94963 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 14:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 14:56:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs09J-000O2C-ND for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:52:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs09I-000O1n-TY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:52:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs0DK-0003i3-TN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:56:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs0A8-0002Sl-UN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:53:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs0A8-0002SY-Dh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:53:24 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs0A2-0002EF-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:53:24 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0LEr21B049400 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:53:02 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0LEqwub005749 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:52:59 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA00291 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:10:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:10:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000001c4ffa5$219fe430$e6a4c593@RD40002> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070903010904080009040103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070903010904080009040103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, james moritz wrote: > What is diameter of wire #17 in millimeters? I'll do aproximate estimation > coil with Your formers. Though wire is coper... > > ...About 1.2mm, according to my ARRL handbook. Acording to estimation done number of turns to get about 700 Ohms is 55 if former diameter is 320 mm. Optimal length of solinoid is about 160 mm. If wire diameter is 1.2 mm then winding space/wire_diameter ratio will be aproximatly optimal. This yelds Q about 300 but need turns to be not close. If winding is by two wires close to each other then Q=240. But there is an important notice in this case. If winding symmetry is not ideal then parasitic current Ip shown on fig.1 in attaced file can appeare. This can increase the loss. It will be better to connect two equal parts of top load as shown on fig.2 not as on fig.1. This prevent parasitic current appearence. If winding is close turn to turn with one wire then as space/wire_diameter ratio as former_diameter/winding_length ratio is not optimal. Then Q seems to be about 200. N.B. 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(helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs0c1-0004fS-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:22:13 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs0bx-0003Gr-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:22:13 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 21 Jan 2005 15:21:46 -0000 Received: from pD9E30B34.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (217.227.11.52) by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 16:21:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <000801c4ffcc$fed06ce0$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c4fed6$d22df460$1201a8c0@uwe> <002901c4ff30$ba403660$fda38351@w4o8m9> <000b01c4ff9e$d6254960$1201a8c0@uwe> <41F0FD27.6070703@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:22:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Alpha Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Wolf, yes the riddle is solft as far it was one ;-) today, Jan 21. I hear (for me) a new tone sequenze in that frequncy range. Will have a closer loot at it. Also will familiarize my self with "Spectrum Lab" regards Uwe, DK1KQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf DL4YHF" To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Frequency - List ? > Hi Uwe, > > There may be up to 7 "Alpha" frequencies active at the same time. I have > a screenshot of them if you are interested, recorded several months ago. > Some of them can be seen on the Spectrum Lab screenshot in "radio > direction finder" mode on my website. > > Regards, > Wolf DL4YHF . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10265 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 15:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 15:36:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs0oS-0004Vs-AI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs0oS-0004Vp-7Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs0pt-000M5w-WB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:36:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs0p6-0005uR-Ne for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs0p6-0005u9-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:44 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs0p3-0003rR-J6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:35:44 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAO00MYZBB1KS61@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:35:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0LFZPHS012440 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:35:25 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12391-01-2 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:35:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0LFWvEX011215 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:32:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:32:52 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <007d01c4ffce$78e29e80$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alex, Thank you for running the calculation for me. I will wind the coil with 55 turns to a length of 160 mm and use the roller inductor for fine tuning. 73, J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: Sent: Friday, 2005/01/21 21:10 PM Subject: RE: LF: Coil Winding2, de VY1JA > On Fri, 21 Jan 2005, james moritz wrote: >> What is diameter of wire #17 in millimeters? I'll do aproximate >> estimation >> coil with Your formers. Though wire is coper... >> >> ...About 1.2mm, according to my ARRL handbook. > > Acording to estimation done number of turns to get about 700 Ohms is 55 > if former diameter is 320 mm. Optimal length of solinoid is about 160 mm. > If wire diameter is 1.2 mm then winding space/wire_diameter ratio will be > aproximatly optimal. This yelds Q about 300 but need turns to be not > close. If winding is by two wires close to each other then Q=240. > But there is an important notice in this case. If winding symmetry is not > ideal then parasitic current Ip shown on fig.1 in attaced file can > appeare. This can increase the loss. It will be better to connect two > equal parts of top load as shown on fig.2 not as on fig.1. This prevent > parasitic current appearence. If winding is close turn to turn with one > wire then as space/wire_diameter ratio as former_diameter/winding_length > ratio is not optimal. Then Q seems to be about 200. > > N.B. Numbers are very approximative, solid copper wire assumed. > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23327 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 16:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 16:24:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs1Yk-000Iwa-Uq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:22:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs1Yk-000IwG-D2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:22:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs1aO-0007Lc-Sl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:24:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs1Xo-0001Pl-BT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:21:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs1Xo-0001Pc-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:21:56 +0000 Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.23] ident=OTEnet-mail-system) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs1Xl-0005nR-I2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:21:55 +0000 Received: from otenet.gr (myti530-a054.otenet.gr [212.205.251.182]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.2/8.13.2/Debian-OTEnet-2) with ESMTP id j0LGLa35021345 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:21:37 +0200 Message-ID: <41F113CE.40802@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:38:06 +0200 From: Alex Deligiannis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EE9754.1030700@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41EE9754.1030700@freenet.de> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.170.0.23 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of otenet.gr X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ just turned off .. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > > As in the previous tests, the signal could be heard also between the > key-down phases. > Hi Wolf, Last summer I posted the following message... > --- In VLF_Group@yahoogroups.com, Alex Deligiannis wrote: > >>> Actually the Emission Designator for SAQ transmission was 52H0K1A an >>> unusual mode, but for us the term A1A or CW is synonymous to the Morse >>> code over the ether (our wireless world). >>> >>> 73's Alex >>> And this is the feedback from somebody that probably didn't heard the SAQ transmission... > The first A in A1A designates an emission with an Amplitude Modulated > carrier, where the modulation type is "double sideband". The 1 in A1A > means there is single channle with no subcarrier (so the frequency > deviation of the "double sidebands" is zero). The last A describes > the reception as being "by ear". > > The K in 52H0K1A designates an emission of a pulse type where the > pulse is amplitude modulated. The 1A in K1A is the same as in the A1A > case. > > It seems that K1A describes CWK transmission just as well as A1A does. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93332 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 16:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 16:36:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs1hn-0001zi-GF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:32:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs1hm-0001z7-Fe for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:32:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs1lo-0006vJ-7A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:36:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs1l3-0002jo-3Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:35:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs1l2-0002jf-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:35:36 +0000 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.207]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs1kx-0006PK-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:35:36 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.e0.b5d11eb (4116) for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:35:06 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:35:06 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.207 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: (no subject) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
 
Hi All, Just as a bit of fun!
 
Years ago, a well-known UK magazine used to carry a photo feature entitled "The Other Man's Shack".
 
If I start the ball rolling will a few others follow I wonder?
 
Click on the link above .
 
73 de pat g4gvw 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50818 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 18:41:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs3f2-000HvS-7p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:37:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs3f1-000Huv-4P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:37:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs3ip-000LXN-2w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:41:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs3gc-0004q4-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:39:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs3gb-0004pv-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:39:09 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs3gX-00037f-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:39:09 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-30-165.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.30.165]:2374 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cs3fD-000Ozl-8X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:37:43 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:39:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Pat & All,
 
You can see my shack & other thiings on my website address shown at the signature of this & all my LF e-mails.
 

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
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Hi All, Just as a bit of fun!
 
Years ago, a well-known UK magazine used to carry a photo feature entitled "The Other Man's Shack".
 
If I start the ball rolling will a few others follow I wonder?
 
Click on the link above .
 
73 de pat g4gvw 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46088 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 19:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 19:20:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs4GZ-0003Hq-3w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs4GY-0003Hh-MZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs4Ka-0008Iz-0d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:20:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs4J7-0008QK-GX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:18:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs4J7-0008QB-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:18:57 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs4J4-0004pd-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:18:57 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.219.245 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 19:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c4ffed$b30ca960$f5db8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:16:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Pat, LF group,
 
I'm afraid the 1970's wallpaper in my shack is just too upsetting for public viewing!
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79376 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 19:27:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 19:27:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs4Ny-0006KC-0s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:23:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs4Nx-0006Jw-GO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:23:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs4Rl-000EK8-A8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:27:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs4R6-0000rO-DX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:27:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs4R6-0000rE-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:27:12 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs4R2-0005EY-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:27:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 28508 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 19:26:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 21 Jan 2005 19:26:48 -0000 Message-ID: <003001c4ffef$794ad330$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:29:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Lots of U.S./Canadian stuff at: http://w4dex.com/gallery/Lowfers John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3815 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 20:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 20:21:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs5Fy-0002eJ-Ou for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:19:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs5Fy-0002eG-Kx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:19:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs5Hc-0006P9-8u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:21:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs5F3-0005jL-OI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:18:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs5F3-0005jC-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:18:49 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs5F0-0007a7-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:18:49 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-072.fen-net.de [212.204.116.72]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0LKG7s7021092 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:16:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002f01c4fff7$59c98300$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:25:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear friends,
       DI2AG will again transmit with 3W ERP coming weekend, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, beginning 22UTC and ending 9UTC in QRSS30. Reports are welcome.
73    Walter DJ2LF
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33555 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2005 20:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2005 20:34:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs5Sp-000641-4k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cs5So-00063s-Vh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cs5UD-000Fe6-Ef for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:34:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs5TE-0006iv-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cs5TE-0006im-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:28 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cs5T9-00083I-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:28 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.client.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20050121203253016006p2nqe>; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:32:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c4fffa$2e72d140$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002f01c4fff7$59c98300$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:45:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.64 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Walter
 
Ran captures last weekend but no luck...
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear friends,
       DI2AG will again transmit with 3W ERP coming weekend, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, beginning 22UTC and ending 9UTC in QRSS30. Reports are welcome.
73    Walter DJ2LF
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6989 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 12:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 12:50:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsKhj-000GCn-OR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:49:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsKhj-000GCk-LL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:49:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsKj3-000Emm-Oo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:50:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsKd6-0002Ds-OH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsKd4-0002Df-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:38 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsKcw-0007wR-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:38 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.154.76.21 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 12:44:09 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:44:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcT/705ZN84gnouMToGB09qYQtiCnwAkHf3g In-Reply-To: <003001c4ffef$794ad330$3801a8c0@JKA> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) And lots of European ones at http://www.wireless.org.uk/gallery/gallerlf.htm Including mine... (I have tidied up a bit since!) 73 Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 21 January 2005 19:29 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Lots of U.S./Canadian stuff at: http://w4dex.com/gallery/Lowfers John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44888 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 14:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 14:49:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsMWe-000MGQ-74 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:46:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsMWe-000MGN-4W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:46:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsMaJ-000Lpw-Vh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:49:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsMY9-0005kv-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:47:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsMY9-0005kd-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:47:41 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsMY6-000591-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:47:41 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.101] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005012214470811100rubmve> (Authid: dmcintyre); Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:47:14 +0000 Message-ID: <41F26767.1080103@att.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:47:03 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c4ffef$794ad330$3801a8c0@JKA> In-Reply-To: <003001c4ffef$794ad330$3801a8c0@JKA> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.115 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John Andrews wrote: > Lots of U.S./Canadian stuff at: > http://w4dex.com/gallery/Lowfers > I feel I should add that the pictures on the above link started off as a "messy workbench contest". Since the contest turned out to be a tie between the majority of entrants no one was ever declared a winner :) Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52260 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 14:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 14:53:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsMcC-000G9J-LF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:51:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsMcC-000G9G-IH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:51:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsMdV-0005O1-SY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:53:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsMdV-0006KT-7y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:53:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsMdU-0006KK-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:53:12 +0000 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsMdQ-0005OY-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:53:12 +0000 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 22007 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 15:52:43 +0100 Received: from ofree.wp-sa.pl (HELO localhost) ([212.77.101.203]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 22 Jan 2005 15:52:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:52:43 +0100 From: "Marek Przybyszewski" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <41f268bb38069@wp.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: Interfejs WWW poczty Wirtualnej Polski Organization: Poczta Wirtualnej Polski S.A. http://www.wp.pl/ X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-IP: 80.53.201.198 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO AS2=YES(1.000000) AS3=NO AS4=NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of wp.pl designates 212.77.101.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: HF75PZK QRV on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello all, After a few hours I finally managed to make the whole station QRV on LF. A pity it wasn't earlier: I heard SM6BHZ (579) and saw DF0WD (M->O copy). At the moment I am running ca. 14A*37V=ca.520W input power. Heavy local QRM appeared at the moment (damn, the nearby 15kV line sparking again), but I hope to make some QSOs anyway. I will try to be on-air till 2359z on Sunday, but not all the time as we are working in BARTG RTTY Sprint as well and lower bands kill the MV61 receiver. The contest ends tomorrow at 1200z, after that I will try to be 100% time on LF. 73! Marek SQ5BPM WWYC#195 SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club ---------------------------------------------------- Rewolucja w rosyjskim balecie - Panstwowy Balet Meski z Sankt Petersburga: mezczyzni jako zwiewne baleriny! Najlepsze fragmenty Jeziora Labedziego, Karmen i innych dziel baletowych... http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fadv.reklama.wp.pl%2Fas%2Ftaniec.html&sid=301 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3289 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 16:35:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 16:35:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsOAr-0000PL-9i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:31:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsOAn-0000Mt-In for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:31:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsOES-000Kj8-3w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:35:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsOCC-0006yO-DR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:33:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsOC9-0006xt-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:33:05 +0000 Received: from h34.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.84] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsOC7-0001FP-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:33:05 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.226) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.038) id 41F1F70300009435 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:32:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c50092$cf45a3c0$e2e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c4ffed$b30ca960$f5db8351@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:31:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.211,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: LF: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack

Dear Pat, LF group,
 
I'm afraid the 1970's wallpaper in my shack is just too upsetting for public viewing!
 
The burglar checking out the equipment probably would'nt notice the wallpaper.
Remarks over the air like what you have in your shack, and when you are going on vacation are also good clues 
for the potential burglar.
G3KEV
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51647 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 17:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 17:46:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPK5-00071z-7r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:45:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPK4-00071t-Q3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:45:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsPLd-0007o7-Cp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:46:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPIZ-0004pJ-Cs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:43:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPIY-0004p1-Nt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:43:46 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsPIV-0004F2-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:43:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MHgDNa028685 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:42:14 -0600 Message-ID: <41F29182.4040305@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:46:42 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003301c4ffed$b30ca960$f5db8351@w4o8m9> <000201c50092$cf45a3c0$e2e4fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000201c50092$cf45a3c0$e2e4fc3e@l8p8y6> X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit That's why you need a fenced in yard with a few German Shepherds running around while your gone. Dogs win every time :-D

woof woof =-O

Mike



hamilton mal wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: LF: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack

Dear Pat, LF group,
 
I'm afraid the 1970's wallpaper in my shack is just too upsetting for public viewing!
 
The burglar checking out the equipment probably would'nt notice the wallpaper.
Remarks over the air like what you have in your shack, and when you are going on vacation are also good clues 
for the potential burglar.
G3KEV
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52705 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 17:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 17:47:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPKZ-00078A-SE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:45:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPKZ-000787-Ov for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:45:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsPM8-00081s-Ef for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPM1-00058B-As for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPM0-000582-W5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:21 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsPLx-0004Nu-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:47:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0MHjkNa028780 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:45:46 -0600 Message-ID: <41F29256.9010205@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:50:14 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) That's quite the collection Dave :-) Mike Dave Pick wrote: >And lots of European ones at >http://www.wireless.org.uk/gallery/gallerlf.htm >Including mine... (I have tidied up a bit since!) > >73 Dave G3YXM > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews >Sent: 21 January 2005 19:29 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack > >Lots of U.S./Canadian stuff at: >http://w4dex.com/gallery/Lowfers > >John A. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38343 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 18:03:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 18:03:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPad-000AVT-CF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:02:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPad-000AVQ-92 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:02:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsPcB-0006xQ-SZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:04:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPbI-0006Wl-VY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:03:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPbI-0006Wc-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:03:08 +0000 Received: from smtpout16.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.16] helo=mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsPbE-00050G-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:03:08 +0000 Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050122180239.ZFNQ8887.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:02:39 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050122180239.OMOH9818.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:02:39 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:02:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F2953C.28256.C7C4AF@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.16 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: HF75PZK Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good signal from the Polish expedition after dark, but they do not seem to be receiving well. If they are monitoring this group, they may like to consider using QRSS10 if they can't hear anyone on QRSS3. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78441 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 18:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 18:25:04 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPsr-0001F9-8h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:21:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsPsr-0001F1-4z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:21:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsPwV-0002A9-Es for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:25:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPve-0008Uy-UY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:24:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsPve-0008Up-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:24:10 +0000 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsPvc-0005wo-0o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:24:10 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.fa.b25f845 (24895) for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:23:40 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:23:40 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.204 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: RE: The Other Mans Shack Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear All (inc. potential ne'erdowells)
 
Of course, before you publish you have;
 
a) Good security
 
b) Good Insurance
 
c) Very High probability of culprits being nicked in the act !
 
73 de Pat
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96608 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 19:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 19:02:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsQVs-000Mva-9A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:01:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsQVs-000MvW-5l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:01:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsQXA-000MAO-05 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:02:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsQU1-0003Q8-1B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:59:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsQU0-0003Pz-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:59:40 +0000 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsQTy-0007Ww-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:59:40 +0000 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 8266 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 19:59:09 +0100 Received: from ofree.wp-sa.pl (HELO localhost) ([212.77.101.203]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 22 Jan 2005 19:59:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:59:09 +0100 From: "Marek Przybyszewski" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <41f2a27d47a60@wp.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: Interfejs WWW nowej poczty Wirtualnej Polski X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) Organization: Nowa Poczta Wirtualnej Polski S.A. http://www.wp.pl/ X-IP: 80.53.201.198 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO AS2=YES(0.999863) AS3=NO AS4=NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of wp.pl designates 212.77.101.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MISSING_SUBJECT=1.57 Subject: LF: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > Good signal from the Polish expedition after dark, but they > do not seem to be receiving well. > > If they are monitoring this group, they may like to consider > using QRSS10 if they can't hear anyone on QRSS3. Hello all, Good copy from many stations here, unfortunately no copy from G3XDV. I am monitoring all grabbers available, so please try calling in QRSS10 if I do not reply in QRSS3. Sorry, I wrote in the first message that the RX side here needs some work... But it's much better with the MV61 receiver than before. 73! Marek SQ5BPM ---------------------------------------------------- Rewolucja w rosyjskim balecie - Pañstwowy Balet Mêski z Sankt Petersburga: mê¿czy¼ni jako zwiewne baleriny! Najlepsze fragmenty Jeziora £abêdziego, Karmen i innych dzie³ baletowych... http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fadv.reklama.wp.pl%2Fas%2Ftaniec.html&sid=301 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8127 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 20:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2005 20:55:25 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsSGi-000NdH-E6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:54:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsSGi-000NdE-BE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:54:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsSIB-0004bd-RT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:55:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsSEz-0005AE-63 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:52:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsSEy-0005A5-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:52:16 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsSEv-0003zb-Fy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:52:16 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CsSEc-0007Ib-05; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:51:54 +0100 Received: from HW1 (SmYX4vZVoevIlx8F7+cmczelJbIS+HcCtiFGe2UsPnfqg392OiNCwf@[217.80.121.210]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CsSEP-0Nknwm0; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:51:41 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:51:25 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1316603536.20050122215125@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: SmYX4vZVoevIlx8F7+cmczelJbIS+HcCtiFGe2UsPnfqg392OiNCwf X-TOI-MSGID: d8d5555b-66f6-4f66-8924-f510850ae6a9 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.82 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: EU activity on 137.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Again a weekend with much activity on 137.7 so far. Good signal from HF75PZK noted here, too. Added some screenshots (G3YXM nice Hell image, IK5ZPV, HF75ZPK ...) to my website: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24862 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 09:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 09:00:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csdao-00056p-W4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:59:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csdao-00056m-TI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:59:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsdcJ-0001KQ-Fp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:01:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsdY5-0007L4-Qd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:56:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsdY1-0007KV-18 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:56:41 +0000 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.173]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsdXv-0000VO-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:56:41 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.205] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CsdXc-0004Qj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:56:16 +0100 Received: from [213.7.252.158] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1CsdXb-0007E6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:56:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:56:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.227.126.173 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dk8kw.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello LF-folks,
 
I saw some nice photographs of shacks on various websites. As some of you know, I am writing a monthly VLF/LF column for the German amateur radio magazine FUNKAMATEUR. The column covers all aspects of VLF, LF and also MF now after DI2AG became QRV.
 
To illustrate my small news articles I am always looking for nice photographs of LF shacks and LF activities.
 
Who's website photographs may I use for my articles?
 
 
Thanks, best 73
 
Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:35 PM
Subject: LF: (no subject)

 
 
Hi All, Just as a bit of fun!
 
Years ago, a well-known UK magazine used to carry a photo feature entitled "The Other Man's Shack".
 
If I start the ball rolling will a few others follow I wonder?
 
Click on the link above .
 
73 de pat g4gvw 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90276 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 09:13:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 09:13:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csdmt-0006cL-Fr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csdmt-0006cI-Cz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csdo6-000BPW-2t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:13:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsdnW-0000AO-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsdnW-0000AF-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:42 +0000 Received: from smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.17] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsdnR-00017c-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:42 +0000 Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050123091215.WBOK29900.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:15 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050123091215.KEZ13480.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:15 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:12:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F36A6B.32642.7FC574@localhost> In-reply-to: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.17 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Who's website photographs may I use for my articles? > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) Geri, OK to use photos from: http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk/pictures/ 73 de Mike, G3XDV =============== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66537 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 09:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 09:32:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cse3M-000J7A-8G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:29:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cse3M-000J77-5i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:29:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cse7C-0002u4-KH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:33:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cse6C-0001wI-33 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:32:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cse6B-0001w9-Ni for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:31:59 +0000 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cse68-0001xg-9A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:31:59 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cse5o-0008Bq-00; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:31:36 +0000 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (bts-0759.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.247]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id j0N9VVhs025287; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:31:35 GMT Message-ID: <200501230931300884.0F7B7E80@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> References: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:31:30 +0000 From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: pintail@globalnet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.247.47.231 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zetnet.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Geri, The quarterly newsletter of Leiston Amateur Radio Club has had a series of articles on members' shacks. My shack featured in one issue - please would you get in touch with our newsletter editor, G4XVE at pintail@globalnet.co.uk to see if any of the photos would be suitable. 73 John G3PAI PS Scatterpoint, published by the UK microwave group, has a feature called The Other Man's Station. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/01/2005 at 09:56 Holger 'Geri', DK8KW wrote: >Hello LF-folks, > >I saw some nice photographs of shacks on various websites. As some of you >know, I am writing a monthly VLF/LF column for the German amateur radio >magazine FUNKAMATEUR. The column covers all aspects of VLF, LF and also MF >now after DI2AG became QRV. > >To illustrate my small news articles I am always looking for nice >photographs of LF shacks and LF activities. > >Who's website photographs may I use for my articles? > > >Thanks, best 73 > >Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G4gvw@aol.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:35 PM > Subject: LF: (no subject) > > > http://hometown.aol.co.uk/g4gvw/ > > > Hi All, Just as a bit of fun! > > Years ago, a well-known UK magazine used to carry a photo feature >entitled "The Other Man's Shack". > > If I start the ball rolling will a few others follow I wonder? > > Click on the link above . > > 73 de pat g4gvw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10768 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 10:32:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 10:32:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsezC-0004tP-MF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:28:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsezB-0004sv-Lx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:28:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csf2j-0009Sj-A4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:32:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Csf0Z-0006Ix-3U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:30:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Csf0Y-0006Io-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:30:14 +0000 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Csf0W-00043h-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:30:14 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-189.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.189] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Csf0D-00034s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:29:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c4ffb2$970eaf00$bdc828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> <002201c4fc18$3c0fce60$01bc0150@captbrian> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:12:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_24_48=0.302 Subject: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I would like to thank all of you who sent me information, through this reflector and direct, regarding the history of the use of SWR as a method of measuring antenna/transmission line mismatch. I will be replying in detail to those who contacted me through direct e-mail. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20094 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 11:09:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 11:09:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csfb9-0001US-VI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:08:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csfb9-0001UP-Sj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:08:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csfce-00044m-C3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:09:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsfbS-0000cd-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:08:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsfbS-0000cU-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:08:22 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47] helo=mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsfbP-0005N1-UN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:08:22 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-5-243.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.5.243]:1369 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Csfb3-000Nzj-VG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:07:58 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:08:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Geri,
 
OK to use mine.
 

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Holger 'Geri', DK8KW
Sent: 23 January 2005 08:56
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns

Hello LF-folks,
 
I saw some nice photographs of shacks on various websites. As some of you know, I am writing a monthly VLF/LF column for the German amateur radio magazine FUNKAMATEUR. The column covers all aspects of VLF, LF and also MF now after DI2AG became QRV.
 
To illustrate my small news articles I am always looking for nice photographs of LF shacks and LF activities.
 
Who's website photographs may I use for my articles?
 
 
Thanks, best 73
 
Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85485 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 11:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 11:19:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csfl7-0002z3-Uk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:18:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csfl7-0002z0-Qu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:18:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsfmJ-0000Uz-NB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:19:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Csflp-0001XO-AG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:19:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Csflo-0001XF-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:19:04 +0000 Received: from smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.17] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Csflm-0005oJ-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:19:04 +0000 Received: from aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050123111840.KGXZ29900.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:18:40 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050123111840.QLGW769.aamta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:18:40 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:18:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F3880B.1397.F38213@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.17 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Activity Sat 22 Jan Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Another 7MHz-style log, thanks to the HF75PZK expedition which is still operating today (Sunday). On Saturday, I had my first CW contact with DL2HRE who I had worked several times on QRSS. Looked like intra-EU conditions were good. This was confirmed by 559 CW from SM6BHZ, though he did not reply to my calls. CW also heard from F6BWO and DL3FDO. QRSS or DFCW seen from: OK2BVG, DF0WD (also Hell signals), OH5UFO, IK5ZPV, S57A, F6BWO, and HA6PC who did not reply to my many calls. HF75PZK was sometimes readable on QRSS3, but was fading and some of the time was not readable. He listened for my QRSS10 transmission and we straight away exchanged 'O' reports - country number 23 for me. I logged 10 countries active on Saturday.. As usual, pictures are on my web site: http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk together with new pictures of QRSS from Z38AV and RU6LA seen last weekend. Lots of DX today (Sunday) on CW and QRSS - get active! Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43389 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 12:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 12:18:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsggS-000D6J-HE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:17:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsggR-000D64-OH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:17:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csghv-0007OX-TV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:19:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsgfN-0005ck-EO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:16:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsgfK-0005cX-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:16:26 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsgfH-0007oL-BD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:16:26 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.231.77 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 12:16:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c50145$338bd360$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41F3880B.1397.F38213@localhost> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:14:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Activity Sat 22 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Mike, yes according to Brian's daily plots the signals were well enhanced in daytime yesterday due to the geomagnetic activity. Brian shows about a 10dB inprovement. Conditions should also be above average in daytime today. Nightime conditions will not be so good, but probably not too much of a problem over inter-EU distances. Happy DXing on LF....its nice to see the activity again. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: 23 January 2005 11:18 Subject: LF: Activity Sat 22 Jan > Another 7MHz-style log, thanks to the HF75PZK expedition > which is still operating today (Sunday). > > On Saturday, I had my first CW contact with DL2HRE who I > had worked several times on QRSS. Looked like intra-EU > conditions were good. This was confirmed by 559 CW from > SM6BHZ, though he did not reply to my calls. CW also > heard from F6BWO and DL3FDO. > > QRSS or DFCW seen from: OK2BVG, DF0WD (also Hell > signals), OH5UFO, IK5ZPV, S57A, F6BWO, and HA6PC > who did not reply to my many calls. > > HF75PZK was sometimes readable on QRSS3, but was > fading and some of the time was not readable. He listened > for my QRSS10 transmission and we straight away > exchanged 'O' reports - country number 23 for me. > > I logged 10 countries active on Saturday.. > > As usual, pictures are on my web site: > http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk > together with new pictures of QRSS from Z38AV and > RU6LA seen last weekend. > > Lots of DX today (Sunday) on CW and QRSS - get active! > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14432 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 15:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 15:47:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csjti-000PnG-M8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:43:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csjti-000Pn0-4V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:43:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsjxW-0005a8-Os for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:47:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Csjrj-0003Pn-QJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:41:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Csjrh-0003PR-CS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:41:25 +0000 Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.182]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Csjrd-0006Qo-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:41:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 81545 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2005 15:40:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:40:59 GMT Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:40:59 +0000 (GMT) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.10.182 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of yahoo.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: JASON QSO M0BMU/G3YKB Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00)
Jim -
 
Sorry for going QRT so suddenly - problem was a tad more dramatic than the loose transistor - it was smoke pouring out of the Tx mains transformer !! I've got a couple of chunky toroidal transformers so hope to be back on LF later today.
 
Brian 
 
 

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29573 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 15:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 15:54:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csk0T-00020u-Hx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:50:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Csk0S-00020I-0a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:50:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csk4G-0000Gr-KJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:54:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Csk3c-0004Nc-7F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:53:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Csk3b-0004NT-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:53:43 +0000 Received: from nort.infotecstt.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Csk3X-0006sg-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:53:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 82773 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 18:53:10 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 18:53:10 +0300 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:52:56 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <33201305108.20050123185256@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> References: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.68.4.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dx.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re:The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Geri, Sunday, January 23, 2005 DK8KW wrote: ................ HGD> Who's website photographs may I use for my articles? ................ Maybe http://136.73.ru/h_exp/index.htm ?? in all Russian's LF DXpeditions parts 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60536 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 16:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 16:10:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CskID-000AZQ-Mu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:08:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CskID-000AZN-K3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:08:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CskJN-000HGl-N4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:10:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CskIq-0005fz-KE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:09:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CskIq-0005fm-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:09:28 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CskIn-0007V8-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:09:28 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NG8wnp010662; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:58 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0NG8wTW009135; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:58 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0NG8vpi009865; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:57 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:57 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit VO1NA will back on the air as of 1630 UTC today (23 Jan 05) 100 watts to 100 metre wire sloping up 25 metres on the side of a hill. QRSS30 137.777 kHz 24 hrs until the next sleet/wind storm... 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40581 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 17:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 17:22:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CslQK-000P0O-Mi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:21:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CslQK-000P0L-Jf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:21:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CslRU-0003rR-Ag for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:22:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CslPD-00035E-VU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:20:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CslPD-000355-Kd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:20:07 +0000 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CslPA-0001vF-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:20:07 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.19e.2d9b5c15 (4468) for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:19:35 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.2d9b5c15.2f2536a6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:19:34 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.206 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Geri
Mine are not very LF but Ok if you want to use.
 
Pat g4gvw
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Hi Peter,
 
The instrument I referred to which is calibrated in % Match Efficiency is by Helper Instruments and contains a simple sig genny and VSWR meter.
 
I still have this unit and could do you a photo if useful.
 
73 de Pat g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19676 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 19:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 19:05:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsmzS-000MS3-4a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:01:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsmzR-000MS0-Sz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:01:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csn2w-0004I8-2g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:05:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Csn0L-00028s-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:02:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Csn0L-00028j-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:02:33 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Csn0I-0005Xx-Ru for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:02:33 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Csmzz-0000QJ-01; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:02:11 +0100 Received: from (EfvEBqZcwemEppngF-+6w70u-S2V3FsKaU3O8VIXZOI0IeNPvZlToQ@[217.251.190.144]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Csmzo-0o1nfs0; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:02:00 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c50129$63f22e30$fe78a8c0@W1KW> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:02:00 +0100 Message-ID: <1Csmzo-0o1nfs0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: EfvEBqZcwemEppngF-+6w70u-S2V3FsKaU3O8VIXZOI0IeNPvZlToQ X-TOI-MSGID: 1fe62e64-1b89-4650-9a74-017d6f1a375f X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492 Subject: Re: LF: The Other Man's Shack -- looking for photographs for my monthly columns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Holger 'Geri', DK8KW schrieb: . . . . . . . . > > Who's website photographs may I use for my articles? > > > Thanks, best 73 > > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) > Hi Geri, if you can make use of them see my lf sites >qsl.net/DJ8WX<. have fun Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53552 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 20:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 20:01:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsnuU-00050x-Vj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:00:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsnuU-00050u-Sk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:00:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csnvx-0003B0-8h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:02:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsnuS-0006Q5-5y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:00:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsnuR-0006Pw-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:00:31 +0000 Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.157] helo=mwinf3102.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsnuP-0007Zg-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:00:31 +0000 Received: by mwinf3102.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id 2719B180009C; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:00:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3103 (wwinf3103 [172.22.158.30]) by mwinf3102.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 068691800091 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:00:03 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <14023224.1106510402998.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.154.127.193] Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:00:03 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.157 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

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Laurie G3AQC



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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 262 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 23:02:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 23:02:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsqhP-0001qt-Hw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:59:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CsqhP-0001qq-F9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:59:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Csqkr-000AYx-Vp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:02:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CsqiO-0005PB-3N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:00:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CsqiN-0005P2-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:00:15 +0000 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsqiL-0006iB-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:00:15 +0000 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 19798 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 23:59:47 +0100 Received: from ofree.wp-sa.pl (HELO localhost) ([212.77.101.203]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 23 Jan 2005 23:59:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:59:47 +0100 From: "Marek Przybyszewski" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <41f42c63a1029@wp.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: Interfejs WWW poczty Wirtualnej Polski Organization: Poczta Wirtualnej Polski S.A. http://www.wp.pl/ X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98) X-IP: 83.24.112.35 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO AS2=YES(1.000000) AS3=NO AS4=NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of wp.pl designates 212.77.101.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: HF75PZK report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello all, Thanks for all the contacts. List of stations worked: OK2BVG, DL2HRE, DF0WD (twice), OH5UFO, OK1DTN, G3XDV (QRSS10), IK5ZPV, M0BMU, DF6NM, PA0BWL. I think that I-SP and PA-SP are again first ever on 137kHz but I have to check the LF log of ZCC. My apologies go to DL3FDO, I had to go to a Sunday family dinner - I was not at the station when you called me... Conditions were much better today - G3XDV could have been done with QRSS3 today, yesterday no copy at all in the afternoon. Equipment here is still far from being perfect, especially the RX side. Add to that the 15kV power line jamming from time to time (wideband S9 noise from VLF to UHF) and two other HF rigs close to the LF equipment (40m and lower bands killing the receiver). Only Marconi antenna for reception, but the MV61 really does it's job very well, SM6BHZ & OK1DTN heard on Saturday without any problem, unfortunately no CW QSO so far. TX works well also, now GF62 is used as a signal source and this is rock solid stable. Of course, a bigger antenna could improve my signals. BTW thank you all on-line grabber owners, it is great to see your own signal far away. I don't know whether there will be a big LF activity with HF75PZK during the WPX RTTY, it is hard to work the HF contest and LF at the same moment. I will take a look whether it would be possible to ask for a special permission to use this special call on LF until the end of March everyday, regardles of higher bands stations' schedule. In the end - nobody else is active from Poland on 137kHz so far. If this doesn't go, see you all under our usual call: SP5ZCC. The station has been rebuilt again and I hope to be more active from time to time. 73! Marek SQ5BPM WWYC#195 SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club ---------------------------------------------------- DYKTAFONY CYFROWE, ODTWARZACZE MP3 - WYPRZEDAZ: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=www.azo.wp.pl&sid=303 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12332 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 08:48:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 08:48:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cszpz-000EiR-1l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:44:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cszpy-000EiF-MK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:44:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CsztN-000DRp-7o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:48:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CszqG-0003Hu-Qv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:45:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CszqG-0003Hj-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:45:00 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CszqD-0000GF-8W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:45:00 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0O8ic1B097135 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:38 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host244.m04.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.244]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0O8iabA006167 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:37 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00222 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:02:10 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:02:10 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: weak sigs Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > I saw very weak sigs tonight around 137700. Screenshort attached. I will monitor freq from 137690 to 137750 next night (18-00 to 02-00 Z 24 Jan). Frequency resolution will be 0.13 Hz (best resolution permited by my old computer). This means abt 8 sec FFT. Also averaging will be 6. Total time of one pixel abt 24 sec. Please any beacon on QRSS60 or QRSS120. QRSS30 also may will be seeing. When change freq resolution from 0.5 Hz to 0.13 Hz I have impruve DCF39 reciption from 10 to abt 20 dB sig/noise at day time. Now (daytime) DCF39 is about 20 db over noise. Hope in night time it will be up to 50 db (best S/N of DCF39 with 0.5 Hz was 40 or 45 db, usualy it was 30 db). HPE CU VY SOON! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1573 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 11:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 11:08:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct21l-000ASR-GV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:05:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct21i-000ARa-Hh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:04:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ct256-000I7R-5D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:08:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ct22Y-0004UJ-MG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:05:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ct22Y-0004UA-BT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:05:50 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ct22U-000585-EH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:05:50 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0OB5R1B022048 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:05:27 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host227.m05.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.227]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0OB5OVH021392 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:05:24 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00222 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:21:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:21:14 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: weak sigs Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > my old computer). This means abt 8 sec FFT. Also averaging will be 6. > Total time of one pixel abt 24 sec. Please any beacon on QRSS60 or Certanly this is a typo. 6x8=48 sec. I'll decrease averaging to 3 to see posible QRSS30. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86604 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 13:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 13:45:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct4UA-000F9r-0j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:42:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct4U9-000F9o-Uc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:42:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ct4XW-000PjT-GE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:45:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ct4Uw-0007Qg-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:43:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ct4Uv-0007QX-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:43:17 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ct4Ut-0002O7-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:43:17 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ODgjnp024650; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:45 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0ODgiTW028689; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:44 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0ODghDM028741; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:43 -0330 (NST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:42 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit QRT as of 1200 UTC today as a result of a major set back in the battle against Mother Nature. Bloody weather! 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74483 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 14:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 14:46:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct5TD-0002Ef-QF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:45:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct5TC-0002EI-T5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:45:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ct5UE-000Ptn-RJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:46:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ct5SC-0003ZM-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ct5SC-0003ZD-L7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:32 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ct5S7-0004fm-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:44:32 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-050.fen-net.de [212.204.116.50]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0OEfbj9014855 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:41:37 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001e01c50224$29acdd00$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:51:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id j0OEfbj9014855 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hallo Joe, sorry about your battle against Mother Nature. But every defect has a hidden chance: Can you tune your equipment to 440.044KHz to receive DI2AG? I can increase power to 3W ERP in QRSS30 ( or whatever you want ) beginning 22UTC to 8UTC. What do you mean? 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Joe Craig An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Datum: Montag, 24. Januar 2005 14:44 Betreff: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV > >QRT as of 1200 UTC today as a result of a major set back in the >battle against Mother Nature. Bloody weather! > >73 >Joe > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73604 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 19:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 19:43:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtA4D-000Hfg-SH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:40:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtA4D-000Hfd-PF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:40:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtA7X-0000dQ-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:43:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtA1h-00005P-NP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:37:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtA1h-00005G-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:37:29 +0000 Received: from smtp04.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.144]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtA1c-0007Ge-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:37:29 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (mdt-17671.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.69.148.113]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87B2A00 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:37:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:37:08 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.134.35.144 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of wanadoo.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alberto & Group Have a look at: http://www.singlechips.com/index.html 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28626 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 20:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 20:09:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAVs-0006Rg-Cv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:08:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAVp-0006Qe-Vj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:08:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtAX8-0005EY-Qi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:10:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAVj-0002gg-Vx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:08:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAVj-0002gX-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:08:31 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-01.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.71] helo=smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtAVe-000051-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:08:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 18106 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 20:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 24 Jan 2005 20:08:02 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c50250$c33b4d90$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:10:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Ko, > Have a look at: http://www.singlechips.com/index.html Looks like a website for Adam Giannopoulos in Ontario, CA. He has reported reception of WD2XES several times. I don't think that Argo is a product being sold! John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52336 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 20:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 20:12:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAWM-0001nS-Lm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:09:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAWM-0001nN-GB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:09:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtAZg-000Dk6-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:12:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAZg-00037A-Ff for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:12:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAZg-000371-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:12:36 +0000 Received: from bay102-f15.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.25] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtAZc-0000HS-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:12:36 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:12:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:11:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:11:42 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2005 20:12:08.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB0EFD70:01C50250] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.25 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: RE: LF: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hey its XDW on Argo and VE3OT on the front page - He calibrations pretty good though...the pirate flag above Argo is quite apt.. Laurence >From: Ko Versteeg >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: Argo Pro? >Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:37:08 +0100 > >Alberto & Group >Have a look at: http://www.singlechips.com/index.html >73 de Ko, NL9222 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56589 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 20:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 20:14:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAa3-0008Af-Pw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:13:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAa2-00089h-NA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:12:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtAb2-0000Nr-KU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:14:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAb5-0003Ge-Ox for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:14:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAb3-0003GE-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:14:01 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtAaz-0000KT-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:14:01 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298DD78041 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:13:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.130] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:13:28 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.130 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg130.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID797JaXuNC5900X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.132.59] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 326JaXuNZ0445M30; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:13:26 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.132.59 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41F556F7.4070209@usa.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:13:43 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> In-Reply-To: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID326JaXuNA0445X30 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Ko Versteeg wrote: > Alberto & Group > Have a look at: http://www.singlechips.com/index.html > 73 de Ko, NL9222 Hi Ko, well, if they use Argo just to show a page of LF monitoring of the 137 kHz band, I don't see anything to be upset about. The important is that they don't use it for commercial work, as my programs are meant _only_ for free ham use. Or, should they need it for commercial purposes, I could accept in exchange that nice HP3586 pictured in one of their pages.... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81524 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 20:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 20:28:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAm7-0006HG-2y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:25:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAm7-0006HD-0K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:25:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtApn-0007dg-FL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:29:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAoo-0004cL-6X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:28:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAon-0004bz-GZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:28:13 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtAoj-0000ya-2L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:28:13 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Jan 2005 20:27:45 -0000 Received: from pD9E30329.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO uwe) (217.227.3.41) by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 21:27:45 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <001501c50253$4d93cc40$1201a8c0@uwe> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:28:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) HI Alberto, nice screenshots ! Wonder how do You managed the shown frequencies at the right side ? Uwe, DK1KQ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ko Versteeg" To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: LF: Argo Pro? > Alberto & Group > Have a look at: http://www.singlechips.com/index.html > 73 de Ko, NL9222 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97850 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 20:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 20:34:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAuH-000DrZ-N0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtAuH-000DrW-KH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:33:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtAvH-000Pq0-E2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAv5-0005Dp-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtAv5-0005Dg-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:43 +0000 Received: from smtp04.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.144]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtAv2-0001GB-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:34:43 +0000 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (mdt-17671.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.69.148.113]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882A9F55 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:34:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41F55BD4.5020007@wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:34:28 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> <41F556F7.4070209@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41F556F7.4070209@usa.net> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.134.35.144 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of wanadoo.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alberto di Bene wrote: > Ko Versteeg wrote: > >> Alberto & Group >> Have a look at: http://www.singlechips.com/index.html >> 73 de Ko, NL9222 > > > Hi Ko, > > well, if they use Argo just to show a page of LF monitoring of the 137 > kHz band, > I don't see anything to be upset about. The important is that they don't > use it for > commercial work, as my programs are meant _only_ for free ham use. > Or, should they need it for commercial purposes, I could accept in > exchange that > nice HP3586 pictured in one of their pages.... :-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD Alberto. Never upset as life's too short. There's one HP3586 on Ebay and real cheap at the moment 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82295 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 21:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 21:42:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtBxA-000765-Eo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:40:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtBxA-00075y-5F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:40:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtBy9-0008gJ-Io for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:41:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtBvg-0002TP-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:39:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtBve-0002T3-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:39:22 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtBva-00042l-I4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:39:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050124213854.NXAI15212.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:38:54 -0700 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:38:54 -0800 Message-ID: <1106602734.41f56aee159b6@webmail.telus.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:38:54 -0800 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> <001501c50253$4d93cc40$1201a8c0@uwe> In-Reply-To: <001501c50253$4d93cc40$1201a8c0@uwe> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Wonder how do You managed the shown frequencies at the right side ? Use the offset in calibration and play with the numbers... If you want a detailed example let me know... 73 Scott From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11043 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtC81-0008F4-BI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:52:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtC81-0008Eu-2b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:52:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtCBK-000ESW-7Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:55:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtCAf-0003vt-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:54:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtCAf-0003vk-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:54:53 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtCAc-0004kA-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:54:53 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-066.fen-net.de [212.204.116.66]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0OLq4Kd025508 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:52:04 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000c01c50260$4bcd7840$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:01:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hallo, dear Joe and All,
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73    Walter  DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80736 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 23:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 23:56:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtE33-000EEE-NV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:55:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtE33-000EEA-Fk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:55:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtE4O-0002yx-OO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:56:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtE1N-0005vF-JS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:53:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtE1N-0005v6-9A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:53:25 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtE1I-0001TV-Sm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:53:25 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.101] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005012423522711300o38d5e> (Authid: dmcintyre); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:52:32 +0000 Message-ID: <41F58A3A.10009@att.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:52:26 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41F54E64.3020404@wanadoo.nl> <001101c50250$c33b4d90$3801a8c0@JKA> In-Reply-To: <001101c50250$c33b4d90$3801a8c0@JKA> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.117 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Argo Pro? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John Andrews wrote: > > Looks like a website for Adam Giannopoulos in Ontario, CA. He has reported > reception of WD2XES several times. I don't think that Argo is a product > being sold! > If you tool around the site a bit you will come across this page showing great XES caputres: http://www.singlechips.com/html/picsf.htm Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26983 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 05:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 05:22:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtJ6P-000DlP-E7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:18:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtJ6P-000DlM-Bd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:18:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtJA3-0007ke-0i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:22:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtJ6a-0002ks-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:19:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtJ6a-0002kZ-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:19:08 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtJ6U-0007xZ-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:19:08 +0000 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CtJ67-0005Q6-01; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:18:39 +0100 Received: from HW1 (E3ZtYmZ18e-4rqvzqbF5uA+GIBB8WiJVHcERsILrNGJ7HPMEUm48Zj@[217.80.126.200]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CtJ66-0nd3Gy0; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:18:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:18:09 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <731613008.20050125061809@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: E3ZtYmZ18e-4rqvzqbF5uA+GIBB8WiJVHcERsILrNGJ7HPMEUm48Zj X-TOI-MSGID: d59e9778-b8f1-409d-8594-8f43f4491d87 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Early fade in of WD2XGJ. First signs received here 2150z 24th of january. Screenshot: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35270 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 06:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 06:27:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtK7H-00012J-GI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:23:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtK7G-00011y-PD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:23:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtKAW-000F8J-BG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:27:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtK8U-0000TC-0D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:25:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtK8T-0000T3-Kg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:25:09 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtK8P-0002Vc-6c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:25:09 +0000 Received: from ingolfdell [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A62A134B0262; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:24:42 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c502a5$8ee7c320$0d00a8c0@ingolfdell> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:17:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010008010507010406080509" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010008010507010406080509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
Very stong signal her during this night only smal fading and local QRM. at JO65BP the Town Roskilde.
 
Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC
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Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: weak sigs agn Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020404050302000807050402" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020404050302000807050402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > > Hi, LF. > I saw very weak sigs tonight around 137700. Screenshort attached. Saw agan this (?) signal. 137703 (may be +/- few Hz). It looks like QRSS realy but I can not decode it. Letter 'H' or someone else? Screenshort is attached. 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with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtLNX-000Jfh-CE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:44:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtLNX-000Jfe-9N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:44:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtLR9-0007bf-W1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:48:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtLOf-0000HA-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:45:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtLOe-0000H1-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:45:56 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtLOZ-0006PJ-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Scott, yes indeed , I would appreciate an example 73 Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Argo Pro? > > Wonder how do You managed the shown frequencies at the right side ? > > > Use the offset in calibration and play with the numbers... If you want a > detailed example let me know... > > 73 Scott > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78350 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 08:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 08:43:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtMHj-000OCR-8i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:42:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtMHj-000OCO-4n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:42:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtMJ2-0000K8-6S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:44:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtMHh-0005f9-Mk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:42:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtMHf-0005f0-An for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:42:47 +0000 Received: from hulk.vianw.pt ([195.22.31.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtMHb-0000Yr-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:42:47 +0000 Received: from SLAVE_13.esoterica.pt ([80.172.153.55]) by hulk.vianw.pt (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j0P8gD6I001750 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:42:15 GMT Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050125083350.00bbc9a0@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: nx4ywv@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:42:08 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brian Rogerson Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/594/Fri Nov 19 10:06:44 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on hulk.vianw.pt X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.22.31.43 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of esoterica.pt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Any claims? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit The SpecLab Plot showed a frequency lock on 137774.5 lasting for about 90 mins from about 23:00 to 00:30 with the signal peaking 10dB above the normal background. Unfortunately this is just LF of the ArgoGrab so have no more details. Was it TA? Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59867 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 11:19:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 11:19:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtOgT-0005oK-8A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:16:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtOgS-0005oC-Of for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:16:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtOjg-0006qw-7D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:19:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtOh0-0007SD-S9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:17:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtOh0-0007S4-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:17:06 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtOgu-0005nU-QU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:17:06 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.77.3d9e1ae7 (25305) for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <77.3d9e1ae7.2f278491@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:16:33 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.208 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Any claims? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020808050601050107080601" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020808050601050107080601 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Brian,

think this was a test from Gus, SM6BHZ, about 5 to 10 µV/m here on 137775.0. Actually the signal was so strong that keyklicks were visible within a couple of Hz - bringing up the case again to prefer the lower frequency slot for European beacon transmissions.

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 25.01.2005 09:44:03 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt brian@esoterica.pt:

The SpecLab Plot showed a frequency lock on 137774.5 lasting for
about 90 mins from about 23:00 to 00:30 with the signal peaking 10dB
above the normal background.  Unfortunately this is just LF of the
ArgoGrab so have no more details.  Was it TA?

Brian CT1DRP


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Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:20:37 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0PCKFA2025320 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:20:15 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host196.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0PCKCHP027029 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:20:13 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00249 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:37:57 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:37:57 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Will be RX test tonight Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi LF, I'll observe 137690 - 137750 tonight from 18-00 to 03-00Z. Time sweep will be very slow to get all this time on one screen. Thus only QRSS120 will be readable. Please any QRSS120 beacons. Please avoid different station closer then 3 Hz. 137710 is reserved for sm6bhz. Another stn on another freq in 137690-137750. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb QTH loc MO64RX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67674 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 18:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 18:31:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtVSg-000Jfn-SN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:30:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtVSg-000JfZ-KV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:30:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtVTY-0000Ix-FO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:31:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtVSd-0000Mz-Ft for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:30:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtVSc-0000Mg-SR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:30:42 +0000 Received: from mxfep02.bredband.com ([195.54.107.73]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtVSa-0006GQ-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:30:42 +0000 Received: from gus5xj29kc6ell ([83.227.223.61] [83.227.223.61]) by mxfep02.bredband.com with SMTP id <20050125183003.CTSY12890.mxfep02.bredband.com@gus5xj29kc6ell> for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:30:03 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c5030b$e2e529c0$0302a8c0@gus5xj29kc6ell> From: "Gus Bassman" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Disposition-Notification-To: "Gus Bassman" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.54.107.73 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of algonet.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Will be RX test tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Beacon running 137710 Mode QRSS 120 73 de SM6BHZ Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: LF: Will be RX test tonight > Hi LF, > > I'll observe 137690 - 137750 tonight from 18-00 to 03-00Z. Time sweep > will be very slow to get all this time on one screen. Thus only > QRSS120 will be readable. Please any QRSS120 beacons. Please avoid > different station closer then 3 Hz. 137710 is reserved for sm6bhz. > Another stn on another freq in 137690-137750. > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > QTH loc MO64RX > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59209 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 17:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 17:49:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtUld-0007aj-4G for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:46:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtUlc-0007ag-Ve for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:46:16 +0000 Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.83]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtUpD-0001Rl-87 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:49:59 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0PHelbW012161; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:48:40 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14631 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f5.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.15]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14618 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:40:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:39:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] XDW mode change Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:39:49 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 17:40:06.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[E86D5900:01C50304] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XDW will be going to DFCW60 from 90 from later today and the lower freq trace will be shifted up .1Hz to 137,7753 and higher remains at 137,7756 - keying will be XDW with CW ID at beginning of sequence. Im going up .1hz to get away from some qrm seen on a couple of stations. Conditions are still very poor to Eu from here at the moment and only a very weak trace from DCF39, and intern US from here were poor too,well from here anyway, but we are having better results over the Pacific and XDW was readable at Mike ZL4OL's last night (his dusk I think) over a 13KKms path Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq http://myweb.cableone.net/flow ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52337 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 19:38:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 19:38:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtWVm-000Bjl-8J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:38:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtWVm-000Bji-0D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:38:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtWWd-000Hp8-72 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:38:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtWUQ-00062I-US for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtWUQ-00061y-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:38 +0000 Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.146]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtWUN-0000Zg-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:38 +0000 Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050125193607.KTHY21916.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:36:07 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.64.109]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050125193602.SYW16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:36:02 +1300 Message-ID: <000401c50315$1a150970$6d4036d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002f01c4fff7$59c98300$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:35:20 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.146 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: XDW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060208010701090802070309" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060208010701090802070309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resonable copy of XDW last night after a long absence. 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Hallo to All,
        DI2AG will QRO 3W again and QRSS30, beginning 22UTC to 8UTC tomorrow. QRG will be locked to the german standard, so deviation from 440.044KHz will be few mHz.
73    Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49835 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 23:03:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtZhJ-0008Pp-1F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:02:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtZhI-0008Pi-KY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:02:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtZi8-0004qw-Go for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:03:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtZfy-0006oS-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:00:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtZfy-0006oJ-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:00:46 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtZfv-0000kA-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 23:00:46 +0000 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CtZfc-0007OS-00; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:00:24 +0100 Received: from 192.168.1.2 (VT81zgZUreDApjUuCVBezbdh6PuEQG3UEcbo4mFVimzxehkwdtHbwa@[217.225.197.95]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CtZfZ-1UbuEa0; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:00:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bernd grupe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0031 Date: 25 Jan 2005 23:00 GMT Message-ID: <1CtZfZ-1UbuEa0@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: VT81zgZUreDApjUuCVBezbdh6PuEQG3UEcbo4mFVimzxehkwdtHbwa X-TOI-MSGID: fe7daf8a-d2fe-48b5-9647-b099f5d147c6 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.83 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Will be RX test tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050303010805000604090709" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050303010805000604090709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Gus, strong sigs in JN49JV(22... 23 UTC). 73 de DF8ZR Bernd "Gus Bassman" schrieb: > Hi > > Beacon running 137710 > > Mode QRSS 120 > > 73 de SM6BHZ > Gus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:37 PM > Subject: LF: Will be RX test tonight > > > > Hi LF, > > > > I'll observe 137690 - 137750 tonight from 18-00 to 03-00Z. Time sweep > > will be very slow to get all this time on one screen. Thus only > > QRSS120 will be readable. Please any QRSS120 beacons. 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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61510 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 03:21:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtdhJ-000OC8-Ae for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:18:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtdhI-000OBu-MU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:18:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtdkP-000Puf-OW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:21:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ctdjs-0005Ja-JT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:21:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ctdjs-0005JR-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:21:04 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ctdjo-0003nT-HA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:21:04 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050126032032.DTRO12816.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <005101c50356$2ffe6880$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:21:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TIL off, grabber on... 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Having a listen for J. in the Yukon
 
please see my grabber if interested.  Plagued by city electrical noise however...
 
73 Scott
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
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Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Will be RX test tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040305040701020102080106" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040305040701020102080106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF, On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > I'll observe 137690 - 137750 tonight from 18-00 to 03-00Z. Time sweep I have looking to a screen from 18 to 20Z. Nothing was seeing. Then I leave a computer to recive. When go back at 01-00Z I unfortunely find a computer rebooted :-( Seems power dissapeared at night, all data was lost! But at 01-00Z I cleary find a signal at 137703. It looks like QRSS but not QRSS120. Changing a sweep I record a data, part of wich is in attached file. Seems it is QRSS30 and is 'RA RA RA ...'. What can it be? RA3YO beacon? 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Hello Alexander and group,
 
Beacon is on also this night, 137710  mode QRSS 120
 
73 de SM6BHZ
Gus
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84848 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2005 20:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 20:15:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CttWB-000H37-QS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:12:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CttWB-000H34-Jq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:11:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CttZe-0001ot-NN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:15:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CttWU-0007N9-0p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:12:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CttWT-0007Mw-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:12:17 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CttWN-0004JK-W5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:12:17 +0000 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CttWK-0006pe-01; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:12:08 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZB5QmuZpgehPgImRq3kmDc5McJNcrGXAM+p2KtYdNs7zzi4qqntN82@[80.144.122.94]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CttWA-0FrKtM0; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:11:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:11:53 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <463344366.20050126211153@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZB5QmuZpgehPgImRq3kmDc5McJNcrGXAM+p2KtYdNs7zzi4qqntN82 X-TOI-MSGID: 1fa93c13-573d-4953-8f4d-9e1055f677c2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.83 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060602030303040502070806" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060602030303040502070806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anyone claim this one? Captured on 137.7023kHz with the antenna beaming south to avoid QRM from SM6BHZ. I agree with Markus, DF6NM - to prefer the lower frequency slot for European beacon transmissions. 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([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cu9U8-0001vP-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:15:01 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0RDEmeg073555 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:14:49 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0RDEgvC000525 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:14:43 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA00465 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:32:23 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:32:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <463344366.20050126211153@t-online.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-ID: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ recived in Sibiria Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080208030600070803070101" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080208030600070803070101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF, last night SM6BHZ was nice recived on QRSS120 here in MO64RX. Screenshort attached. Signal was detecterabale all the time of observation started at 18-00Z till Gus go QRT at 01-00Z. 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congratulations on the successful reception of SM6BHZ and probably RA3YO, matching Hartmuts report of "RA".

Trying to add in another signal for you, I am planning to beacon in QRSS 60 mode from 17:30 today on 137715.0, exactly 5 Hz above Gus. Hope I won't cause too much QRM in the QRSS band - I will use soft transitions to restrict keying sidebands, but there is always the possibility of IMP's from receiver AGC action when more than one strong signal is present in the passband. If a problem shows up, please notify me between my dashes or via email.

I am not quite sure about the time and frequency scales of your waterfall screenshots. I understand your FFT has 0.13 Hz resolution, is this reproduced in the image as 1 pixel per FFT bin? And what is the reason for the fine vertical grid? It seems that the (incoherent?) averaging is now set to 24 s/pixel. Is there no temporal overlap between consecutive FFT windows?

73 and best wishes

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48053 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 19:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 19:07:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuEyC-0007WF-UE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:06:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuEyC-0007W6-Lj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:06:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuEzI-0000BK-L0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:07:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuEwQ-0006Ay-Kx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:04:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuEwQ-0006Al-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:04:30 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuEwN-0000PW-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:04:30 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0RJ4Qeg003886 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:04:26 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0RJ4Otr022140 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:04:25 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA00235 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:23:17 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:23:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BHZ recived in Sibiria Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I see sm6bhz agn this evening. Not too strong but there is a signal obviously. Signal started abt 1800z on 137710. I will not observe all the night, I am too sleepy :-) Nice job Gus and CUL! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82120 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 19:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 19:26:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuFHO-000D2N-O9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:26:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuFHO-000D2K-LW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:26:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuFHy-000OSL-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:26:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuFGp-0008FJ-QM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:25:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuFGp-0008FA-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:25:35 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuFGl-0001Ql-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:25:35 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0RJPUeg005464 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:25:31 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0RJPNMO023216 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:25:29 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA00264 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:38:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:38:41 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <6d.3d9cc472.2f2a7ce2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Signals for RA9MB Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > > Trying to add in another signal for you, I am planning to beacon in QRSS 60 > mode from 17:30 today on 137715.0, exactly 5 Hz above Gus. Oh, Markus, not tonight! I have not sleep 3 nights :-) May be ysterday or few days later... Local time is 01-00 (GMT+6). > I am not quite sure about the time and frequency scales of your waterfall > screenshots. I understand your FFT has 0.13 Hz resolution, is this reproduced in > the image as 1 pixel per FFT bin? 1 pixels per 3 times of FFT. 0.13 Hz is a mistake, 8 sec FFT yelds 0.25 Hz total up and down. 0.13 is a halfwidth. Just see Gus with 1 pixel per FFT. 3 times averagin is better :-) And what is the reason for the fine vertical > grid? It seems that the (incoherent?) averaging is now set to 24 s/pixel. Yes, 3 times averaging yelds 24 s/pixel. Is > there no temporal overlap between consecutive FFT windows? I am not sure. Seems there is not. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68579 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 20:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 20:17:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuG4Q-0002bs-KA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:16:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuG4Q-0002bo-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:16:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuG50-0001WF-71 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:17:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuG2a-0004Hz-Fx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:14:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuG2a-0004Hm-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:14:56 +0000 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.7]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuG2W-0003cv-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:14:55 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.e4.61a4937b (4238) for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:14:42 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:14:42 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.7 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re2: LF: Signals for RA9MB Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alexander,

>>
Oh, Markus, not tonight! I have not sleep 3 nights :-)
<<

no problem ;-) Took my beacon off air at 20:06.

BTW - keying parameters were not quite as announced: soft shaping didn't work, and timing was only QRSS50.

Good night,

73 de Markus
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55826 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuG6T-0003XL-Dr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:19:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuG6F-0003QR-Aw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:18:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuG7K-0002gv-Co for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:19:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuG6a-0004lA-Hf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:19:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuG6a-0004l1-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:19:04 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuG6X-0003qD-I7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:19:04 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IAZ0012QSFL58M0@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:18:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0RKIvE2031043 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:18:57 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29370-04-8 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:18:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0RKGNGj029733 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:16:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:16:17 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <009e01c504ad$0f140230$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Thank you de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alex, and LF, I posted a message to LF when I had "First Fire" a couple of days ago. Even though no one copied, it felt good to have the system finally able to transmit. Your help with the antenna calculations was very valuable to me. I wound the coil as indicated and it was only necessary to tap a few turns in from the end of the coil, as the inductance was a little more than needed. The system matched your calculations very well! Tapping the coil worked perfectly, because the part of the coil that was not needed for baseloading the vertical became the matching transformer winding. I now feed the bottom of the coil with my transmitter coax, the coil tap is grounded and the upper coil winding feeds the vertical. The SWR is 1:1, and I find that the antenna is very high Q. I no longer receive the NDB interference from "JB" which is about 1 km from my station. It is such a pleasure to receive 137 kHz. signals clearly. In a few days I will be sending a thank you note to Steve, Scott and others. I should then have the transmitter working which is borrowed from Scot, and I hope it will make my signal visible. My initial tests which were only at 26 Watts were invisible to anyone watching. Alex, when I get that transmitter going, (hopefully for this weekend) I would like to specifically see if you can copy me as we are both in the north. Please advise me of the best time of the day for your possible copy of VY1JA from CP20kw at 200Watts. Also, I am thinking of setting my beacon work initially near 137777, or 137779, Please advise me on the best frequency to start working with. With only 200 Watts, I am planning to use QRSS60. 73 J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30025 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 20:42:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 20:42:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuGSd-000Abe-SR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:41:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuGSd-000Ab9-0M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:41:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuGTC-000FgH-KB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:42:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuGSD-0006t6-Vf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:41:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuGSD-0006sv-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:41:25 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuGS9-0004so-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:41:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 1873 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 20:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 27 Jan 2005 20:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c504b0$ef7ae110$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009e01c504ad$0f140230$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:44:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Thank you de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) J- > Also, I am thinking of setting my beacon > work initially near 137777, or 137779, Please advise me on the best > frequency to start working with. With only 200 Watts, I am planning to use > QRSS60. VO1NA is on 137.777, and I have been using 137.779. It doesn't make much sense to exactly duplicate those frequencies, as it will discourage many listeners from trying to copy you. Perhaps one of the western U.S. or Canadian guys could give some advice as to a good frequency. John Andrews, WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90823 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 21:33:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 21:33:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuHG2-0001bK-67 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:32:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuHG1-0001au-CY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:32:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuHGa-0007PD-Kg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:33:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuHDg-0003CF-3s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:30:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuHDd-0003Bt-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:30:25 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuHDY-0007E7-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:30:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050127213009.LGXQ21908.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:30:09 -0700 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:30:09 -0800 Message-ID: <1106861409.41f95d6180220@webmail.telus.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:30:09 -0800 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009e01c504ad$0f140230$6501a8c0@eagles> <003c01c504b0$ef7ae110$3801a8c0@JKA> In-Reply-To: <003c01c504b0$ef7ae110$3801a8c0@JKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.220 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Thank you de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) J. John makes very good point. The watering hole is filling fast and the old thinking regarding the EU/NA path is starting to stretch further west. So alittle rethinking is required to make everyone happy... I'd suggest staying on the low end of the watering hole perhaps around 137776.5ish. I'll check my watering hole loran line table or you could coonsult John's on the LWCA website. My reasoning is this. If the eastern NA stations stayed clustered together and the western stations do the same with a logical spacing for local viewing QRM would be reduced locally and at DX distances on grabbers like KI0LE and W3EEE. Local 'wideband' experiments should be conducted outside the watering hole if possible and if they must occur within it a reasonable notice should be provided. I would also suggest restricting your modes to ones that produce the least amount of 'switching transients' as that will also reduce local QRM as ARGO creates a smear (dogbones) during these transientions (certainly avoid CW unless you let us all know.) This has worked well for Steve and I as he can still clearly see the XGJ, XES, XDW, XFX slots with me blazing away at 778 in my sinewave mode. If I am causing you QRM during one of your experiments please advise as I will be pleased to QRT or QSY accordingly. Presently this is my understanding of watering hole usage: XFX - 780.7/.17, normally DFCW, w/ periodic HELL BW ~0.5Hz max. XGJ - 799.5, QRSS w/ CW id XES - 779/.2 DFCW with periodic HELL and narrow JASON to a BW of 1HZ or more at times. John QSYs alot so this slot may seem free for days on end. TIL - 778ish sinewave normally, with periodic QRSS and QRSSine sometimes centers on the SE US loran line at 778.356 BW ~0.5Hz SL - 777.5 QRSS NA - 777.0 QRSS XDW - 775.2/.4 DFCW, rarely QRSS and other strange manifestations w/ CW id BW ~0.5Hz Known NA Grabbers: W3EEE - FN10sg - psychedelic! 365 with DCF-39 plots and others... KI0LE - EN36us - wide view with lots of spectrum outside normal watering hole window... Seems to be seasonally operated... VE7TIL - CN89lg - only on during experiments and at request. Not very sensitive and plagued by city noise... I hope this info helps. 73 Scott Quoting John Andrews : > J- > > > Also, I am thinking of setting my beacon > > work initially near 137777, or 137779, Please advise me on the best > > frequency to start working with. With only 200 Watts, I am planning to > use > > QRSS60. > > VO1NA is on 137.777, and I have been using 137.779. It doesn't make much > sense to exactly duplicate those frequencies, as it will discourage many > listeners from trying to copy you. Perhaps one of the western U.S. or > Canadian guys could give some advice as to a good frequency. > > John Andrews, WD2XES > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53154 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 22:27:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 22:27:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuI47-000Nzr-4Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:24:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuI47-000Nzm-0X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:24:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuI7S-00021M-Ou for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:28:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuI5i-0000Ae-Dd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:26:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuI5h-0000AM-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:26:17 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuI5f-0001Tz-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:26:17 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-104.fen-net.de [212.204.116.104]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0RMNce3012836 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:23:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002d01c504c0$4135bd40$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:33:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hallo to All,
           DI2AG is again QRO 3W ERP and QRSS30 until 8UTC tomorrow.
73   Walter
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51862 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 23:03:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuIfX-0001Ro-LT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:03:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuIfX-0001Rl-Is for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:03:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuIg6-000Nsx-Bo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:03:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuIdh-0003eU-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:01:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuIdh-0003eL-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:01:25 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuIdb-0003Ah-OU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:01:25 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.129.196 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 23:01:13 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c504c4$1e996e40$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" , "Lowfer \(LWCA\)" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:01:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, the after-effects of the active sun-spot and its associated geomagnetic activity seem to have died away fairly quickly. The Kp was at zero early today and the Dst index is "below" -20 and has hit some positive values late this evening. The will take a little time to show its full effect (already injected hot electrons in the D-layer need time to decay) but it does suggest that condition for night-time DX over the weekend might be the best that have been seen for some weeks now. Promising reports have been seen already with Laurence's WD2XDW being seen in ZL again. Happy Hunting and Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com latest prop reports on www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20772 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 08:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 08:56:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuRt0-000F3R-4Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:53:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuRt0-000F3J-0u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:53:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuRwI-0004lc-PA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:57:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuRsM-0004vu-7w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:53:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuRsL-0004vl-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:53:09 +0000 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuRsI-0007KB-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:53:09 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050128085254.GQVE21044.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c50516$f583c480$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:54:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.224 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: CKN ~133.1KHz ON w/ MSK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just noticed it for the first time in months...  With the possibility of good prop it might be worth listening for at distance...
 
73 Scott
   
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24650 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 10:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 10:30:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuTOH-000Ove-AI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:30:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuTOG-000OvK-Md for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:30:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuTOl-000HEO-AP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:30:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuTMN-0004Ly-B7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuTMM-0004Lg-L4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:14 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuTMJ-0002os-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:14 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SAS8eg079651 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:28:09 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host244.m04.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.244]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0SAS5ZN025211 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:28:08 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00266 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:07:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:07:27 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <009e01c504ad$0f140230$6501a8c0@eagles> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06=0.072,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Thank you de VY1JA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, J. Allen wrote: > > Alex, when I get that transmitter going, (hopefully for this weekend) I > would like to specifically see if you can copy me as we are both in the > north. What is Your QTH loc? Mine is MO64rx. I'd like to determine QRB. Seems it it too far for RX setup I use now:-( I have lot of ideas how to improove it but there is not much time for HAMing unfortunely. Thus it is a matter of time. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51583 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 10:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 10:30:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuTOK-000Ox8-AO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:30:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuTOJ-000Owt-Fl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:30:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuTPL-0008Vk-TE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:31:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuTMN-0004Lz-BJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuTMM-0004Lh-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:14 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuTMJ-0002oo-KQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:28:14 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SAS7eg079648 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:28:07 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host244.m04.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.244]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0SAS5ZL025211 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:28:06 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00269 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:45:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:45:15 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <6d.3d9cc472.2f2a7ce2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Sound card in Linux Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF, does anybody know how to deal with sound card in Linux? I'd like to write some 'narrow band digital downconverter' wich will gives oportuneties: 1. get high freq resolution on slow machine. 2. save in not a very big file all signals of narrow freq band say for 10 hours and then look for this signals by conventional spectrograph in few minutes. It is too hard to observe a monitor during many hours saving pictures time to time! Seems I should simple read the device /dev/dsp. But there is some quations: 1. How to control a device? What one should send to /dev/mixer to control it? 2. Is there some buffering in a kernel or I should program a buffers? How one can know buffer is not overlaped? 3. How to setup sampling rate, stereo/mono and 16 bit mode? How to devide byte flow to 16 bit words? What format have this words? 4. Some others may be. May be there is some info on the subject in the net? I do not find it yet... Please answer to my private adress. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23807 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 10:51:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 10:51:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuTiM-00057E-4F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:50:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuTiL-000576-Nm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:50:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuTjN-0006a1-Q7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:52:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuTiI-0006Bx-Ep for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:50:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuTiI-0006Bo-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:50:54 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuTiF-0003gC-FG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:50:54 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050128105042.NWXA2869.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:50:42 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c50527$6a745740$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001f01c50526$a5918240$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:52:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Thank you de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) >Would be nice to see the first > transpacific QSO happen this session! OPPS! A gander at the map shows a trans Arctic Ocean path... However unlike western Europe no nasty magnetic pole in the way ;-) 73 Scott From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20598 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 12:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 12:19:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuV5s-0004OA-Ia for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuV5r-0004Nc-M5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuV6K-000ESr-UV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuV2l-00034p-Jk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuV2l-00034g-8P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:07 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuV2h-0006Qq-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:07 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CuUnx-0003OD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:00:49 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CuUnx-0007Pn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:00:49 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:00:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c50531$018f92d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: Sound card in Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Alex, I don't know anything about Linux, but there are some Spectrogram / DSP programs already available for this operating system - for example, on G3YXM's downloads page ( http://www.wireless.org.uk/software.htm )there is GLFER and Linrad available for download. Even if you don't want to use their software, perhaps the authors could help. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alexander S. Yurkov Sent: 28 January 2005 16:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Sound card in Linux Dear LF, does anybody know how to deal with sound card in Linux? ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78348 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 12:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 12:20:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuV61-0004PF-Jy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuV61-0004PA-BB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuV6S-000FRi-PI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuV5p-0003CN-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuV5n-0003C1-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:15 +0000 Received: from bay102-f29.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.39] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuV5i-0006Uw-Ni for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:19:15 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:16:46 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2005 12:17:00.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[44DB4960:01C50533] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.39 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: FW: XDW off Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030208070407020306050508" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030208070407020306050508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WD2XDW em26aq will be off the air from 1800Z today 28th Jan 05 until advised. Nice overnight capture from Mike ZL4OL...thanks Cheers, Laurence. 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1CuVqQ-000JJ6-OZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:07:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuVqQ-000JIx-Ao for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:07:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuVrS-0000Km-35 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:08:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuVpa-0005gJ-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:06:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuVpa-0005gA-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:06:34 +0000 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuVpU-0007ns-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:06:34 +0000 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 20446 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 14:06:18 +0100 Received: from miglanc.socrates.org.pl (HELO [192.168.1.39]) (sq5bpm@[194.181.189.2]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 28 Jan 2005 14:06:18 +0100 Message-ID: <41FA38BD.1030803@wp.pl> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:06:05 +0100 From: Marek SQ5BPM User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO(Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1) AS2=YES(0.997495) AS3=NO AS4=NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of wp.pl designates 212.77.101.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: HF75PZK - log on-line / Jubilee Award Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) For those interested, QSOs from the recent HF75PZK operation on LF are in the on-line log at http://www.oppzk.poznan.pl/log/ . You might be interested in applying for the Jubilee Award, for those that made a QSO with HF75PZK on LF (and/or EME) and fulfill other award requirements, a special LF (EME) sticker will be added to the diploma. Rules of the award are available for instance here: http://www.dxawards.com/inet2005.htm (scroll down to Poland). The HF75PZK licence allows transmission of a signal from one place at a time only, so if there is any further interest in making QSOs with this special call on LF, please send me an e-mail. If there is any free window in the schedule, I will immediately inform the LF group and those interested in QSOs on LF about it. The LF station is given a special priority in using any free 'windows' in the general schedule (the same with the EME station run by SP2OFW). I will try to be active during our second activation on 12-13th of February as well, but those days our priority will be the WPX RTTY Contest. As I found last time, operation is hard when two HF high power RIGs are running nearby. Anyway, during this weekend I am planning a normal LF operation using the SP5ZCC callsign. 73! Marek SQ5BPM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83121 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 15:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 15:36:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuY7o-000JLi-Kv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:33:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuY7m-000JL4-KR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:33:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuYB3-0005nt-79 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:36:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuY58-0000xg-3t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:30:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuY57-0000xX-PJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:30:45 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuY55-0005Xv-4U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:30:45 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SFUfeg010212 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:30:41 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0SFUbl3020196 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:30:39 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA00192 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:48:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:48:28 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Signals for RA9MB Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF, I'll observe the band this night again. Please any QRSS120/QRSS60 beacons. Any sugestion about the frequency? Around 135900 it is too noisy but any freq in 137000-137800 if excluse about 100 Hz around 137360 is ok. I'll observe band of 50-60 Hz. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29287 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 15:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 15:41:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuYCV-000L9B-0P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:38:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuYCU-000L8o-F1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:38:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuYFk-0001z0-4A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:41:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuYEe-0001ok-S2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:40:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuYEe-0001ob-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:40:36 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuYEa-0005xQ-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:40:36 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CuYEa-0003Lz-00; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:40:32 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bVuXU0ZLZecfVXEVfJ7MobkiJHGpEgaoioB-cQkqwIhPinbESN1nZe@[80.144.125.208]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CuYET-1OjHNo0; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:40:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:40:04 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <324511985.20050128164004@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bVuXU0ZLZecfVXEVfJ7MobkiJHGpEgaoioB-cQkqwIhPinbESN1nZe X-TOI-MSGID: 40fcdfb4-0c26-442e-9c25-d0fb710919ea X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: XES 28th of Jan Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000200050204050203090800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000200050204050203090800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It seems that conditions getting better every day. Last night I captured the attached screenshot of "XES". 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Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:56 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SGXqeg015504 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:33:52 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0SGXoV2024291 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:33:51 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00243 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:13:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:13:27 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001f01c50526$a5918240$0201a8c0@private.network> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Thank you de VY1JA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Scott, On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Scott Tilley wrote: > Alex > > You should have a listen for CKN ~133.1KHz (presently on) Unfortunely I can not listen this freq. Only 135500-13900. I use home made direct conversion RX with xtall controlled local oscillator. All tuning is on audio frequency in computer. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87652 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 16:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 16:36:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZ43-000FFT-FH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZ43-000FFQ-AQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuZ7J-0004ZU-TX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:37:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZ4I-0006DQ-AZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZ4H-0006DH-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:57 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuZ4E-0008D8-9d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:57 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SGXreg015510 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:33:53 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0SGXoV4024291 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:33:52 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00241 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:08:36 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:08:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000001c50531$018f92d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06=0.072,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Sound card in Linux Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear James, On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, james moritz wrote: > G3YXM's downloads page ( http://www.wireless.org.uk/software.htm )there is > GLFER and Linrad available for download. I know about GLFER. But it uses X-window subsystem (someone very similar to MS Windows interface) wich is too resource hangry, not adequate for my old machine. I prefer any soft used svgalib without X-system. Now I use such a program named LINRAD. But this soft is not special for QRSS (but there is a waterfall) thus it is not very convinient. But anyway it can be used. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26179 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 16:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 16:47:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZHE-000AEI-EP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:47:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZHD-000ADq-Ep for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:47:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuZID-0006l7-Lr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:48:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZGp-0007R5-O7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:46:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZGp-0007Qw-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:46:55 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuZGm-0000MW-WA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:46:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 22342 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 16:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2005 16:46:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c50559$5ecbf420$3801a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <324511985.20050128164004@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:49:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: XES 28th of Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hartmut, Yes, that is much better than the previous night. I saw some traces of the signal on CT1DRP's screen, but nothing readable. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10986 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 17:13:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZfa-000HJB-Sq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:12:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZfY-000HIa-Mu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:12:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuZg0-00073e-Io for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:12:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZeQ-0000xv-Hq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:11:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZeQ-0000xm-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:11:18 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuZeN-0001Ny-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:11:18 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-018.fen-net.de [212.204.116.18]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0SH8drt000507 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:08:39 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000901c5055d$6e214a20$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:18:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: DI2AG 440.044KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear All, this night I will start QRO 3W and QRSS30 a little later at 00UTC.
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30288 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 17:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 17:18:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZit-0002n8-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:16:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZis-0002n1-LM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:15:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuZm8-0001kP-SH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:19:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZl8-0001Vs-QW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:18:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZl8-0001Vj-F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:18:14 +0000 Received: from muemailc.citykom.de ([195.202.32.25]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuZl5-0001dc-TJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:18:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 11380 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 17:18:07 -0000 Received: from p54856337.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO [192.168.123.101]) (welp@[84.133.99.55]) (envelope-sender ) by muemailc.citykom.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 28 Jan 2005 17:18:07 -0000 Message-ID: <41FA73CB.1000904@muenster.de> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:18:03 +0100 From: "Dr. Oliver Welp" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, fitec@omskcity.com References: In-Reply-To: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.202.32.25 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of muenster.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Sound card in Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Alexander, I don't know much about Linux, but did you read the Sound HOWTO and the AX 25 HOWTO - maybe that gives some hints? Besides that, you'll find many sound card programs (unfortunately only a few for Linux) on my page http://www.muenster.de/~welp/sb.htm Maybe you can get in contact to the programmers and ask them? HTH, 73, Oliver (DL9QJ, N3NSF) P.S.: When you get your program working, please let me know so I can add it to my page! Alexander S. Yurkov schrieb: > Dear LF, > > does anybody know how to deal with sound card in Linux? I'd like to > write some 'narrow band digital downconverter' wich will gives > oportuneties: > 1. get high freq resolution on slow machine. > 2. save in not a very big file all signals of narrow freq band say for 10 > hours and then look for this signals by conventional spectrograph in > few minutes. It is too hard to observe a monitor during many hours > saving pictures time to time! > > Seems I should simple read the device /dev/dsp. But there is some > quations: > > 1. How to control a device? What one should send to /dev/mixer > to control it? > 2. Is there some buffering in a kernel or I should program a buffers? How > one can know buffer is not overlaped? > 3. How to setup sampling rate, stereo/mono and 16 bit mode? How to devide > byte flow to 16 bit words? What format have this words? > 4. Some others may be. > > May be there is some info on the subject in the net? I do not find it > yet... Please answer to my private adress. > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51585 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 17:25:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZrF-000KqN-0M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuZrE-000KqI-N7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuZsE-0007dv-PQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:25:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZqs-00025R-0J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuZqr-00025I-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:09 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuZqp-0001te-2L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:09 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IB100MJSF05I320@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0SHO5oZ026786 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:24:05 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26232-07-2 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0SHNmOM026552 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:23:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:23:41 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <005301c5055e$1cf489e0$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Plams de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Scott, Alex and LF, I now have two programmable divider chips and plan to make the divide by 100 to use my FT990 as a VFO. I will be doing some prototyping and circuit tests today which means that I will have frequency readout to produce frequency resolution to the tenth like137777.3. or 137772.7. Does anyone know where I can find circuits to set up a 74ls196, and 40161 to do divide by 10 and divide by 10 or divide by 5 and divide by 10? I am sure that I can experiment with nand gates and come up with a way, but I'll bet someone has already done this and can save me the work. I will be using QRSS when in the watering holes. With only 200 Watts, and being so far from anywhere in the rest of North America, I felt that any tests I perform in the watering hole would not cause interference, provided I do not step on someone else's favorite spots, and I will check on my RX and the grabbers to see if the frequencies are clear. It would be good for initial testing to be within the passband of one of the grabbers as I would like to see my own signal somewhere to record what is received. I will need to make a computer keying circuit (perhaps one of my contest LPT port CW keyers?) and find software for keying QRSS... Most likely on one of the WebPages. Thanks for the list of normal frequencies used. I will make it a point to avoid them. Let's see what the weekend brings. Hopefully 200W and a beaconing beginning. :o) J. VY1JA CP20kw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48429 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 17:51:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 17:51:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuaE8-000Dia-7V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:48:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuaE7-000DiE-7X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:48:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuaHM-0004hO-VM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:51:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CuaDg-0003Vi-JG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:47:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CuaDg-0003VX-8G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:47:44 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuaDd-0002cx-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:47:44 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SHldeg020595 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:47:39 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0SHlbJs028035 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:47:38 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00248 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:38 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Signals for RA9MB Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > Any sugestion about the frequency? No sugestion yet... Now I begin observe old band 137690-137750. Any QRSS120/QRSS60 beacons wellcome. Unfortunely I can not go to internet while spectrograph runing. It eat all computer resources :-) Thus any e-mail I'll read at local morning only (abt 2-00Z). 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11168 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 18:13:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 18:13:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cuaa5-000JrQ-OG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:10:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cuaa5-000Jr8-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:10:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuadK-00080s-TV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:14:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cuabd-0004Qi-Kd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:12:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cuabd-0004QZ-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:12:29 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuabZ-00037H-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:12:29 +0000 Received: from [80.43.50.136] (port=2137 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CuabS-000LSC-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:12:18 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:12:44 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005301c5055e$1cf489e0$6401a8c0@eagles> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: Plams de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi J, If you use MS Windows have a look at Rik Strobbe's (ON7YD) web site (software page) for QRS software & interface details at http://www.qsl.net/on7yd Description as follows :- In order to beat the high QRM and QRN levels on the 136kHz ham band very slow CW is used (speeds going from 0.4 WPM even down to 0.01 WPM). QRS allows you to key your TX at these extreme slow speeds using the serial or parallel port of your PC. Version 3.17 is Win3 compatible but will not support the parallel port under WinNT, Win2000, WinXP etc. Version 4.02 has full support of the parallel port but requires at least Win98. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- I will need to make a computer keying circuit (perhaps one of my contest LPT port CW keyers?) and find software for keying QRSS... Most likely on one of the WebPages. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18232 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 20:08:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 20:08:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CucP5-000Cv0-Hj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:07:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CucP4-000CuU-F1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:07:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CucQ4-000149-1q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:08:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CucMI-0000cf-Oe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:04:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CucMI-0000cW-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:04:46 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CucME-0005ZW-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:04:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050128200431.NTX19745.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:04:31 -0700 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:04:31 -0800 Message-ID: <1106942671.41fa9acf1591a@webmail.telus.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:04:31 -0800 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Plams de VY1JA - beacon controller solution! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) J. I have just completed a stand alone Beacon/QSO controller that uses any RS-232 terminal for control. It will presently allow full CW and QRSS signally much like QRS does however, no need to tie up a computer to do it... Set the message(s), mode(s) and speed(s) and let her rip as you can disconnect it from the computer at that point. If you want to QSO just put it in QSO mode and away you go from the terminal... It also has the capability of controlling an AD9850 and other Analog Devices DDSs and is directly compatiable with the NJQRP daughterboard. CW speeds 5-40WPM and QRSS 1-120 second dot... I'll be adding JASON and DFCW to it shortly as well as 'test' modes such as a sweep generator and sine/trinagle waves... The design is robust and will recover from power bumps on its own... If you want more details send me an email and I'll forward the beta version of the manual. The code runs on a PIC 18F458 which has lots of memory and allows for a nice text based user interface. I'm presently putting together a simple kit of the basic parts so I can help you out there as well. The project requires only three ICs including the DDS... And should only take an hour or so to assembly and test(no hardware calibration required...) its all in the software... 73 Scott Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Hi J, > > If you use MS Windows have a look at Rik Strobbe's (ON7YD) web site > (software page) for QRS software & interface details at > http://www.qsl.net/on7yd > > Description as follows :- > > In order to beat the high QRM and QRN levels on the 136kHz ham band very > slow CW is used (speeds going from 0.4 WPM even down to 0.01 WPM). QRS > allows you to key your TX at these extreme slow speeds using the serial or > parallel port of your PC. > Version 3.17 is Win3 compatible but will not support the parallel port under > WinNT, Win2000, WinXP etc. > Version 4.02 has full support of the parallel port but requires at least > Win98. > > Regards > > Gary - G4WGT > > Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > -----Original Message----- > > I will need to make a computer keying circuit (perhaps one of my contest LPT > port CW keyers?) and find software for keying QRSS... Most likely on one of > the WebPages. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79158 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 20:31:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CucjK-000As3-UI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:28:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CucjJ-000ArT-Je for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:28:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cuclw-000Oxo-To for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:31:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cuckd-0001gC-P2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:29:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cuckd-0001g3-E5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:29:55 +0000 Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.147]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CuckZ-00067v-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:29:55 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050128202928.NSOF23939.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:29:28 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.55.37.159]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050128202918.ZEOS4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:29:18 +1300 Message-ID: <000301c50578$0a3fb990$9f2537d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c504c4$1e996e40$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:27:45 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.147 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: XDW in ZL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040701010007000008030000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040701010007000008030000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Larence's signal peaked last night about 0930z. Using 60 second dot settings it was 0 copy for three complete ID's then disappeared completely. 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(192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 21:32:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cudii-0007al-FO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:32:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cudii-0007ag-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:32:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cudj8-000ON1-Or for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:32:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CudgB-00056K-3b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CudgA-00056B-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:22 +0000 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cudg8-0007sc-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:22 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SLT5RU021739; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:06 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0SLT5TW021988; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:05 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0SLT57D022107; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:05 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:04 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.16 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I am using a _very_ poor aerial, but it takes the RF. Signal reports from anywhere will be greatly appreciated. QRSS120 137.777 kHz starting 2300 UTC 28 Jan 2005. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30130 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 21:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 21:39:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CudnJ-0002vO-Qr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:36:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CudnJ-0002vL-OP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:36:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cudpz-00027F-Fz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:39:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CudpI-0005iR-Ci for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:38:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CudpH-0005i5-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:38:47 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CudpE-0008An-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:38:47 +0000 Received: from [80.43.50.136] (port=3202 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cudp7-0005uc-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:38:37 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:39:03 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All at LF, As previously reported, after a PA MOSFET failure in the G0MRF 300w Tx I decided to carry out the mods to the PA as described by Jim M0BMU. I have wound the exsisting toroid with the same amount of turns as shown in the mod using the home made litz wire for the primary (as decribed by Jim) & because I had no solid enamelled copper wire for the secondary I made litz wire for that also & the transformer completed (not so easy on a toroid as on a straight core). After carrying out the other changes I connected it back onto the board. Having also upgraded the power supply I decided to bring up the volts slowly using a variac on the mains input. Checked that all appeared ok & keyed up - NOTHING ! I carried out some tests & found the base resister o/c on a MOSFET, keyed up again & low & behold - OUTPUT - into the dummy load, was I releaved. So I continued to gradually increase the variac setting to produce higher PA volts & when maximum was achieved I was measuring a DC input of 645 watts (43 volts 15 Amps) into the 50r dummy load, although only key down for seconds the 25 watt dummy load was cooking & no fan cooling on the PA but the mosfets were not even warm, the PA transformer was slightly warm. Next is to borrow a better dummy load & carry out some prolonged tests. I will keep you informed of progress & also upload a picture of the toroid to my web site (I can't make it mall enough to attach). Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46399 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 21:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 21:46:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuduR-0004K5-BI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:44:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuduQ-0004K0-SF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:44:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cudx6-0005xP-Ib for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:46:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cudw2-0006AR-Co for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:45:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cudw1-0006AC-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:45:45 +0000 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cudvz-0008Od-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:45:45 +0000 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 19455 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 22:45:34 +0100 Received: from pop3.xl.wp.pl (HELO localhost) ([212.77.101.222]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 28 Jan 2005 22:45:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:45:33 +0100 From: "Marek Przybyszewski" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: Interfejs WWW poczty Wirtualnej Polski Organization: Poczta Wirtualnej Polski S.A. http://www.wp.pl/ X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98) X-IP: 83.24.105.204 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO AS2=NO(0.962203) AS3=NO AS4=NO X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of wp.pl designates 212.77.101.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Plams de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > I now have two programmable divider chips and plan to make the > divide by 100 to use my FT990 as a VFO. Hello, I've been using FT990 as a VFO as well: 10 W from the TRX running on ~13.77 MHz to a 50 Ohm / 10 W resistor network and a divider on a 74HC390, signal first shaped by some potentiometer and NAND gates (I don't remember which ones). Worked OK, the only pain was that the 137 kHz output (probably coils 2m away) tended to influence the divider, so a lot of grounding and shielding had to be added for this combination to work flawlessly. Later on I found that the power of FT990 may be further reduced below 10 W by using the ALC jack... but I didn't try this. GL & 73! de Marek SQ5BPM WWYC#195 SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club ---------------------------------------------------- Film Romana Polanskiego. Dramat cierpienia, upokorzenia i pragnienia zemsty. Smierc i dziewczyna juz na DVD i Wideo. http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=www.film.wp.pl%2Fp%2Ffilm.html%3Fid%3D10662&sid=306 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51941 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 22:25:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 22:25:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CueYR-000Jrr-8p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:25:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CueYR-000Jro-5x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:25:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CueZQ-00070n-Fy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:26:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CueXT-0008Ct-3R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:24:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CueXS-0008Ck-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:24:26 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CueXP-0000yA-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:24:26 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.142.3e3d8156 (17377) for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <142.3e3d8156.2f2c1586@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:24:06 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.208 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Gary and LF Group,

types of dummy-loads tested successfully at LF here

- a toaster (1000W @ 230V = 53 Ohms),
- a coffee maker (750W = 70.5 Ohms; needs some water, otherwise it'll turn itself off).

Before connecting them, I checked that there were no internal RF-bypass capacitors before the power switches.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 28.01.2005 22:39:48 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:

Next is to borrow a better dummy load &carry out some prolonged tests.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17246 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 22:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 22:57:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cuf0W-000MSu-Rl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cuf0W-000MSr-Om for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cuf3l-00025z-6r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:57:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cuf0d-0001Dj-6R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cuf0c-0001DR-Lz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:34 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.40]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cuf0a-0001hV-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:34 +0000 Received: from [80.43.50.136] (port=3573 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Cuf0U-0008jC-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:54:26 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:55:13 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <142.3e3d8156.2f2c1586@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.40 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Markus & LF,
 
Thanks for the ideas, I had thought about using 2 x 100r 100 watt wire wound resistors one of my electronic suppliers has.
 

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com
Sent: 28 January 2005 22:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods

Gary and LF Group,

types of dummy-loads tested successfully at LF here

- a toaster (1000W @ 230V = 53 Ohms),
- a coffee maker (750W = 70.5 Ohms; needs some water, otherwise it'll turn itself off).

Before connecting them, I checked that there were no internal RF-bypass capacitors before the power switches.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 28.01.2005 22:39:48 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:

Next is to borrow a better dummy load &carry out some prolonged tests.


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Gary, Markus and others,
 
Oil jacket heaters are also fairly good dummy loads for LF.  A 1200 watt 230 volt heater has a resistance that is a bit under 50 ohms, but there is some inductance, so simple compensation with around 2200 pF (depends on specific heater) can neutralise the reactance at 136 kHz.  Polystyrene or polypropylene HV capacitors are recommended.  The low Q compensation also raises the effective resistance by way of the series to parallel transformation (consider it to be a form of L match, with series RL and parallel C). 
 
I have found that 1200 watt heaters with two elements have lower inductance (with both switches on, elements are presumably in parallel) than a heater with a single element. 
 
The 1200 watt rating of an oil jacket heater is of course a steady state rating, so you wont "blow it up" like you could with a load that is only good for short term use.
 
You can use a domestic heater fed directly via its mains plug (with clip leads), it does not need to be dedicated to LF :-)  If you want to, you can make a simple interface box, with SO239 to mains socket, and put the compensating capacitor inside the box.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA
 
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Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <002f01c5059f$5e0a9d20$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Plams de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Marek, Thanks for the feedback... I will remember to use the 50 Ohm loading resistor as you suggest. When I modified the FT-990 for output as a VFO on 13,700 kHz., I also modified the unit for QRP capability, so the resistor can be a low power unit. Jim, M0BMU, sent me the circuit data for wiring the IC dividers, so I should have the 137 kHz exciter circuit built for the amplifier breadboarded tonight if all goes well. 73, J From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92487 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 03:34:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 03:34:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CujKq-000EdK-Vd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:31:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CujKq-000EdH-TT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:31:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CujO4-0003r0-9z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:35:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CujKb-00037c-AP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:31:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CujKa-00037T-W0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:31:28 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CujKY-0002Qs-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:31:28 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0T3VIeg064942 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:31:18 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0T3VF5x029604 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:31:16 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00377 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:50:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:50:34 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Signals for RA9MB Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > > No sugestion yet... Now I begin observe old band 137690-137750. Saw nothing decodable all this night. Only some very weak sigs on 137710 and 137703 aproximatly at 19-00z wich can't be identeficated. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64505 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 04:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 04:30:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CukFI-0002Fz-Vh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:30:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CukFI-0002Fw-T1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:30:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CukGH-0007oW-1k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:31:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CukEU-0008J4-DQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:29:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CukET-0008Im-Sp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:29:13 +0000 Received: from simmts5.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.163] helo=simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CukEQ-0004zK-9X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:29:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.138.232]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050129042852.HFTL1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:28:52 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:31:48 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: lowfer@lwca.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 206.47.199.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sympatico.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Off subject - boatanchor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good day all: A friend has asked for help in identifying an older type of transmitter - possibly an original (?) type VOR transmitter. It appears to have been modified - possibly for VHF operation but details are sketchy. I have place some pictures on http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/anchor.htm The 807 looks like a multiplier stage, and the 829B certainly makes me believe it was a VHF transmitter. They help date the equipment - looks like a commercial/military/gov't type device. I would appreciate any comments or positive IDs - and thank you in advance. Email off-line if you wish. Thanks Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93581 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 09:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 09:45:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cup7a-000NGf-UL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:42:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cup7a-000NGV-IJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:42:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CupAB-000DWW-EL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:45:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cup6U-0003Jg-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:41:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cup6U-0003JX-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:41:18 +0000 Received: from cas-mta3-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.28] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cup6R-0001hz-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:41:18 +0000 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IB200C3TO8ES9@cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:41:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:41:27 +0100 From: Dick Rollema X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: LF-Group Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050129102127.0556feb0@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.80.1.28 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Beaconing by PA0SE Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE,

Starting around 2000 UTC tonight  I intend to do beaconing using QRSS30 DFCW, shift about 0.5Hz. Dash frequency 135922 Hz; crystal controlled;  power about 70mW EIRP.  If there are objections against the frequency please let me know;  I can pull the crystal down to about 135908Hz. 

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2629 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 18:10:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 18:10:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cux0R-0000dZ-4y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:07:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cux0Q-0000dV-UV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:07:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cux2y-000GaM-CG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:10:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cux0G-0002ri-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:07:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cux0G-0002rZ-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:07:24 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cux0D-0004wl-Mr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:07:24 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0TI7Keg021476 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:07:20 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0TI7IWv015421 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:07:18 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00236 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:25:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:25:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Signals for RA9MB Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > > Saw nothing decodable all this night. I'll observe 137690-137750 this night again. Band just now (18-00z) became clear. Any QRSS120/60 beacon please. 73 de RA9MB/ALex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41448 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 22:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 22:02:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv0cv-0007qB-Hw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:59:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv0cv-0007q6-8w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:59:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cv0g3-0004VV-GF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:02:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv0bh-0004sU-4n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:58:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv0bg-0004sH-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:58:16 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv0be-0005bk-C5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:58:16 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-106.fen-net.de [212.204.116.106]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0TLtXpM004924 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:55:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000f01c5064e$b15b65e0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:05:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear All,
      DI2AG is now QRO with 3W ERP til 8UTC tomorrow and QRSS30.
Reports are welcome.
73   Walter   DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68117 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 22:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 22:16:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv0rC-000BHX-4J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:14:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv0rB-000BHQ-PJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:14:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cv0th-000CeW-HQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:16:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv0sn-0006AK-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv0sn-0006AB-6i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.146]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv0sj-0006Cq-8A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050129221538.CXDX21916.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:38 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.55.81.76]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050129221537.NIUX16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:37 +1300 Message-ID: <000101c50650$0eacc080$4c5137d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <142.3e3d8156.2f2c1586@aol.com> <002d01c50596$d697c0f0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:14:50 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.146 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: no sigs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) No signals seen here last night. I monitored from 137775 to 137780 and also Gus's frequency. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70595 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 23:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 23:11:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv1jk-0007zp-2B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:10:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv1ji-0007za-D8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:10:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cv1kc-00078p-3u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:11:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv1hY-00020a-Mk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:08:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv1hY-00020R-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:08:24 +0000 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv1hV-0008Ev-Us for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:08:24 +0000 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi62.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.70]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A531C3A5B for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:08:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003b01c50657$eb834fe0$4611f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <142.3e3d8156.2f2c1586@aol.com> <002d01c50596$d697c0f0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <000101c50650$0eacc080$4c5137d2@mcalevey> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:11:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: no sigs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) OK Mike...thanks for the report. I don't think condx were up to even 'normal' levels last night. I think tonight is forecast to be worse still. I'll probably run again all night again...it's the only way to catch any unexpected lifts in propagation. Steve > No signals seen here last night. I monitored from 137775 to 137780 and also > Gus's frequency. > > Mike ZL4OL > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91727 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 04:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 04:37:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv6pQ-0004fU-Uq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:36:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv6pQ-0004fL-MU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:36:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cv6qI-0004t0-DC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:37:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv6mI-0004l8-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:33:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv6mH-0004kn-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:33:37 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv6mE-0002LX-4N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:33:37 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0U4XPeg057389 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:33:26 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0U4XCn1011272 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:33:13 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00288 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:50:24 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:50:24 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: weak sigs on 137715 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010707040404060701080205" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010707040404060701080205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I saw some weak sigs on 137715 (aproximatly) last night. See attached pictures. Seems this was relatively 'fast' QRSS. QRSS30 or QRSS10? Unfortunely when signal apperes after short time became too noisy with very short one 'window' (see cap2.gif). Thus I can't identify the sigs. 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yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0U4kccr028005 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:46:38 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26941-13-4 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:46:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0U4hOoa027018 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:43:25 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 04:43:17 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <00d201c50686$376ea6b0$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: weak sigs on 137715 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alex, You might try 137777.5 for VE7SL later. He has been extraordinarily strong tonight. J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73154 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 05:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 05:19:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv7UN-000EUV-K3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:19:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv7UN-000EUS-Ev for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:19:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cv7Uc-0009Iz-HR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:19:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv7TT-0000Sx-8b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:18:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv7TS-0000So-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:18:14 +0000 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv7TQ-0004N6-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:18:14 +0000 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi77.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.85]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BA97BCD96 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:18:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c5068b$92a5fe20$5511f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:21:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Coast to coast on 137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jay, VY1JA and myself have just completed a CW-CW crossband QSO (80m - 2200m). Distance is around 1000 miles due north of me. Good ears up there Jay!! Hopefully we can do it soon on 2200. Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55381 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 06:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 06:53:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv8xi-000Bqn-QJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:53:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cv8xi-000Bqk-Ni for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:53:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cv8ya-0006eM-N3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:54:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv8vW-0000kI-Pm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:51:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cv8vW-0000k5-DE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:51:18 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cv8vT-0000GK-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:51:18 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.41]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IB400CLOB1EATD1@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0U6pEQk032407 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:14 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-02 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31149-11-3 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:51:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-02.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0U6mZM0031806 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:48:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 06:48:35 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <002a01c50697$b8821b90$6401a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <000001c4fef3$bba4e330$e6a4c593@RD40002> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Is there an EU Grabber for ~135922? de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) LF, Is anyone on this morning on 922 or thereabouts? Is there a grabber so that I can see who is on? With conditions this good, I wonder if the EU sunrise might be an advantage. J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28524 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 10:22:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 10:22:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvCDT-0004uM-JN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:22:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvCDT-0004uH-Bk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:22:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvCEJ-00076O-Rj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:22:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvC9z-0002NN-6t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:18:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvC9y-0002NE-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:18:26 +0000 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvC9t-0001FA-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:18:26 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.da.1e3c4d96 (4238) for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:18:12 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:18:11 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.137 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: weak sigs on 137715 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040206050503020408030500" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040206050503020408030500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Alex,

judging by the frequency and timing of your observation, I am fairly sure that you saw my DFCW beacon last night. I was transmitting continuously from 2245 till 0325 UT, using 50s dashes separated by 16s intervals.

The funny thing is however that there is no indication of my 0.5 Hz frequency shift in your captures. It should easily be resolved in a 0.13 Hz FFT. What is the horizontal scale factor (Hz/pixel) in your gif images?


Kind regards, and thanks for watching

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK

In einer eMail vom 30.01.2005 05:37:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt fitec@omskcity.com:

I saw some weak sigs on 137715 (aproximatly) last night.
See attached pictures. Seems this was relatively 'fast' QRSS.
QRSS30 or QRSS10? Unfortunely when signal apperes after short time became
too noisy with very short one 'window' (see cap2.gif). Thus I can't
identify the sigs. Who was sending somthing on this freq last night?

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb



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(EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 05:51:57 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Colour-DF software for MS-DOS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

triggered by Alex' question about spectrogram software for non-Windows computers, I have finally gotten around to write up a brand-new page of documentation and publish my original Colour-DF program for MS-DOS.

If you are running Windows OS and want to have a mature and stable solution that works, I would definitely recommend Wolf's excellent implementation in SpectrumLab at http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf - I use it every day, with great pleasure.

However if you still like to run an old 486 machine and are willing to fiddle around with DOS command lines and SoundBlaster drivers, or if you are simply curious about the inner works of FFTs and like to get lost in spaghetti-style QuickBasic and Assembler source code, then it's all there for you at http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/CAS1F.zip (88 kB). Yes, you have been warned ;-)

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52496 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 16:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 16:40:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvI5X-0003wQ-MW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:38:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvI5X-0003wN-Jq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:38:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvI8a-000234-G6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:41:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvI1l-000274-9v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:34:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvI1k-00026v-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvI1f-0002Ob-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CvI1Z-0008AT-05; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:34:09 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bLs-1qZBZe66zyxAl6l38QywQ6CxsUIqkqnCi1rD4P0Co3RlZRj64m@[80.144.101.236]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CvI1U-0zmEEK0; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:34:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:34:02 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <56673657.20050130173402@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bLs-1qZBZe66zyxAl6l38QywQ6CxsUIqkqnCi1rD4P0Co3RlZRj64m X-TOI-MSGID: 9505a64e-2bd0-49b2-9ffd-176e75d620de X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Activity 29th/30th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Added some screenshots of DL2HRE, G3XIZ, S57A, DF6NM, WD2XES, OK2BVG, S52AB from the 29th/30th Jan to my website: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59397 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 19:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 19:43:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvKz1-000LPf-By for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:43:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvKz1-000LPc-8U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:43:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvKzq-0004hG-2w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:44:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvKwP-0001Jd-6D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:41:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvKwO-0001JU-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:41:00 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvKwL-0003QG-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:41:00 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0UJeueg019653 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:40:56 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0UJepqF026070 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:40:55 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA00233 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:49:15 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:49:14 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: weak sigs on 137715 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: >The funny thing is however that there is no indication of my 0.5 Hz >frequency shift in your captures. It should easily be resolved in a > 0.13 Hz FFT. What is the horizontal scale factor (Hz/pixel) in your gif > images? Scale was 0.25 Hz/pixel. I do not know why there is no second freq... Somthing wrong in FFT? 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6466 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 20:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 20:03:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvLFv-000ArI-5P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:01:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvLFv-000ArF-2p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:01:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvLIH-000H6G-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:03:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvLHG-0002oL-0J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:02:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvLHD-0002o8-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:02:31 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvLH9-0004Gr-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:02:31 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.47) id 1CvLGp-000674-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:02:07 +0100 Received: from pd4b9e9ab.dip.t-dialin.net ([212.185.233.171] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CvLGo-00082V-Ve for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:02:07 +0100 Message-ID: <41FD3D40.8050500@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:02:08 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: weak sigs on 137715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Alex, To verify your RX system, how about letting a slowly drifting oscillator (like an LC-osc) run over the entire "RX window" ? If everything is ok, a non-interrupted diagonal line should appear if the drift is slow enough. If there are gaps in the line, something is wrong with the audio processing, most likely loss of samples. Besides this, in addition to Markus' post, if anyone is interested in the C / C++ variant of his Colour Direction Finder to make a linux or DOS port from it, just ask and I will send them to you via email. I gave up my Linux-programming ambitions some years ago when it began eating up all my spare time. But that was before the arrival of simple graphic user interfaces, maybe its easier these days to write a simple spectrum analyser - something like "Argo for Linux" ;-) . Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF . Alexander S. Yurkov schrieb: >Scale was 0.25 Hz/pixel. I do not know why there is no second freq... >Somthing wrong in FFT? > >73 de RA9MB/Alex >http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61729 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 22:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 22:30:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvNYP-000N8Q-Lk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:28:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvNYP-000N8N-JD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:28:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvNbQ-0003mV-Pp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:31:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvNX3-0006DH-Bz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:27:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvNX2-0006D6-VE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:27:00 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvNX0-0003JR-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:27:00 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-039.fen-net.de [212.204.116.39]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j0UMOFCE017425 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:24:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001801c5071b$e2772e20$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/663/Tue Jan 11 23:44:48 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello to All,
         DI2AG is again on air with QRSS30 and 3W ERP (probably 4W, antenna current increased).
I would be glad to receive your reports and images.
73   Walter   DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90059 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 22:45:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 22:45:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvNot-000BKi-Jb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:45:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvNos-000BKO-H7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:45:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvNpg-0003hE-MO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:46:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvNnn-0007rN-BH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:44:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvNnn-0007rE-15 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:44:19 +0000 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvNnk-0004GZ-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:44:18 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-102.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.102] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CvNnf-0008re-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c5071d$46681740$66ce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:43:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: LF activity, 30th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) After a period of no activity worked DF0WD, DL3FDO, G3WCB and G0VXG on CW late afternoon. Later saw SP5ZZP calling CQ on QRRS3, called him and had a QSO. Will be transmitting later on135921kHz QRSS20 Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98652 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 23:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 23:18:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvOKP-000I7M-OJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvOKP-000I79-2X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvOKX-000BjK-Jx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:18:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvOJP-0002KP-7z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:16:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvOJO-0002K9-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:16:58 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvOJM-0005y3-89 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:16:58 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.101] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005013023163811100ruia6e> (Authid: dmcintyre); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:16:38 +0000 Message-ID: <41FD6ACE.6080603@att.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:16:30 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> <000601c5071d$46681740$66ce28c3@erica> In-Reply-To: <000601c5071d$46681740$66ce28c3@erica> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.115 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: LF activity, 30th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) g3ldo wrote: > Will be transmitting later on135921kHz QRSS20 > I'll be running a QRSS30 Slow Argo window on 135.920 - 135.926 overnight. FWIW: Three years ago tonight, my wife's birthday, was when I first received positive ID from G3AQC and MØBMU. Dex, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33240 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvOZu-000Bu0-PU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvOZu-000Btx-Mp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvOcG-00070C-39 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:36:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvOa0-00041X-Nd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvOa0-00041O-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:08 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvOZv-0006nk-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:08 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.101] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005013023335511300o2qdte> (Authid: dmcintyre); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: <41FD6EE4.7020904@att.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:33:56 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> <000601c5071d$46681740$66ce28c3@erica> <41FD6ACE.6080603@att.net> In-Reply-To: <41FD6ACE.6080603@att.net> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.117 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: LF activity, 30th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > g3ldo wrote: > >> Will be transmitting later on135921kHz QRSS20 >> > > I'll be running a QRSS30 Slow Argo window on 135.920 - 135.926 > overnight. FWIW: Three years ago tonight, my wife's birthday, was when > I first received positive ID from G3AQC and MØBMU. > > Dex, W4DEX BTW, I have a loran line at 135,921.053. Will occasionally upload screen capture at: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.html If I see any sign of a signal captures will be uploaded frequently. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83214 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvOZu-000Bu7-Tg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvOZu-000Bu4-Q2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvOcG-00070F-3A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:36:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvOZv-00040u-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvOZv-00040l-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvOZr-0006nD-RK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:34:03 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F79780C9 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:33:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.130] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:33:44 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.130 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg130.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID275JadXhS6122X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.147.153] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 366JadXhQ0257M30; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:33:42 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.147.153 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41FD6EDC.4070508@usa.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:33:48 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41FD3D40.8050500@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <41FD3D40.8050500@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Z-USANET-MsgId: XID366JadXhr0257X30 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: weak sigs on 137715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > But that was before the arrival of simple graphic user interfaces, > maybe its easier these days to write a simple spectrum analyser - > something like "Argo for Linux" ;-) . A few months ago I received a report (don't remember from whom) that stated that Argo did run under the Wine emulator in Linux. Wine is a program for Linux meant to create a Windows-like environment, so to offer the capability to run Win apps without the need of porting them. One of these days I must dust off the Linux partition on my HD, install Wine and do some tests... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94544 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 00:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 00:29:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvPPO-000PmZ-6X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:27:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvPPO-000PmW-42 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:27:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvPRi-000NLR-Jf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:29:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvPQg-0000aZ-4g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:28:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvPQf-0000aH-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:28:33 +0000 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvPQd-0000tO-Bl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:28:33 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-5.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.5] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CvPQQ-0005YH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:28:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c5072b$d25fa980$05c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> <000601c5071d$46681740$66ce28c3@erica> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:17:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.12 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: LF activity, 30th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Earlier I said > After a period of no activity worked DF0WD, DL3FDO, G3WCB and G0VXG on CW > late afternoon. > > Later saw SP5ZZP calling CQ on QRRS3, called him and had a QSO. > > Will be transmitting later on135921kHz QRSS20 The call was SP5ZCC, not SP5ZZP as stated. It is now 0025hrs, switched off tx and going to bed. Hope to be up early in the morning for a transmit session. I will move up a Hz to miss Dex's Loran line. Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19722 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 05:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 05:12:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvTr0-000MDZ-6r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:12:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvTqy-000MDA-EZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:12:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvTr4-00076y-Oz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:12:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvTo1-0001eQ-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvTo0-0001e8-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:08:56 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvTnx-0005s0-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:08:56 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V58jeg060359 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:08:45 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0V58htK028489 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:08:44 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00269 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:22:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:22:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <41FD6EDC.4070508@usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: weak sigs on 137715 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alberto On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote: > > > But that was before the arrival of simple graphic user interfaces, > > maybe its easier these days to write a simple spectrum analyser - > > something like "Argo for Linux" ;-) . > > A few months ago I received a report (don't remember from whom) that > stated that Argo did run > under the Wine emulator in Linux. Wine is a program for Linux meant to > create a Windows-like > environment, so to offer the capability to run Win apps without the need > of porting them. > One of these days I must dust off the Linux partition on my HD, install > Wine and do some tests... To port is better. Wine will eat resourses. For real time program like Argo it is better to have as much machine resourses as posible. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62018 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 05:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 05:12:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvTon-000FUX-5i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:09:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvTol-000FUB-Rf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:09:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvTrl-0004Of-36 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:12:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvTo1-0001eR-9v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:08:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvTo0-0001e9-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:08:56 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvTnx-0005s7-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:08:56 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.12.8p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0V58leg060364 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:08:47 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host198.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.198]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j0V58htM028489 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:08:46 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00267 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:15:55 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:15:54 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <41FD3D40.8050500@freenet.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: weak sigs on 137715 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Wolf, On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > To verify your RX system, how about letting a slowly drifting oscillator > (like an LC-osc) run over the entire "RX window" ? If everything is ok, > a non-interrupted diagonal line should appear if the drift is slow > enough. If there are gaps in the line, something is wrong with the audio > processing, most likely loss of samples. It's a good idea! Why it does not come to my head before... > > Besides this, in addition to Markus' post, if anyone is interested in > the C / C++ variant of his Colour Direction Finder to make a linux or > DOS port from it, just ask and I will send them to you via email. Not now, some time later... I gave > up my Linux-programming ambitions some years ago when it began eating up > all my spare time. Have You any info about sound card programing in Linux? Now I have understand I can easy write down in Pascal: Assign(file,'/dev/dsp'); ................... Read(file,byte); ............ to get unsigned bytes (8bit sampels) or Assign(file,'dev/dspW'); ..................... Read(file,word); ............... to get signed (!) words (16bit samples). Or someone similar in C but I am more familar with Pascal not C. Such an easy access! All works well. But to be sure all will be OK any time I sould control sound card. Particulary I should initiate sound card and set sampling rate at least. I have understend it can be done via ioctl(file,cmd,arguments) C-call (no problem to connect Pascal with some C-functions). But I need detail description of avaluable 'cmd' and format and description of 'arguments'. I can't find this in my system yet... Besides duplex mode (write/read simultaniously) doesn't work. I do not know why, AD and DA seems to be separated devices... But that was before the arrival of simple graphic > user interfaces, maybe its easier these days to write a simple spectrum > analyser - something like "Argo for Linux" ;-) . Yes, it is usefull. Linrad is too complex! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21254 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvX9W-000DIj-13 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:43:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvX9V-000DIc-G7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:43:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvXCT-0001AN-Ay for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:46:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvX9S-0006Tl-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:43:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvX9R-0006Tc-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:43:17 +0000 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.206]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvX9K-0008Pw-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:43:17 +0000 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so467215rnz for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:42:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=UNoGcDmPvxD7WKscprk/1kxJlP1ddOjgy0mDeVIP473MtRVBELj88kRUQbL8biLB5phSpBqEtGeC4miZznEYiG75Yjmpm0/Ea5ARXvYFdr3YXfzo31ZjRM7aLs+DR70Z22yBgmXnks5m45ngRuRmfRX0Dx7IeAi3fe2SXJwQdK4= Received: by 10.38.8.48 with SMTP id 48mr571742rnh; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.179.74 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:42:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:42:57 +0100 From: Eduardo EA3GHS To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, d.w.rollema@gironet.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of gmail.com designates 64.233.170.206 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024 Subject: LF: PA0SE beacon received in JN01HO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050006040202090702010402" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050006040202090702010402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Last saturday nigth (20:45utc), I saw the signal from PA0SE, -40dB under the strong DCF, and +7 dB over the noise. I saw a lot of QRN from a far storm, too. 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from network); 31 Jan 2005 11:35:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 11:35:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvZpt-0009bK-KG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:35:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvZpt-0009bH-GB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:35:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvZqe-0004ap-Js for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:36:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvZml-0003Jb-83 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:32:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvZmk-0003JS-U0 for 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autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: G3LDO in CT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Peter Nice signal in CT last night. http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/G3LDO013105.jpg Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82114 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 11:59:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 11:59:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by 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autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) WD2XES and WD2XGJ were faintly seen on captures at CT1DRP around 0300 and 0700 UTC. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28804 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 12:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 12:49:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvazl-0001q7-Pr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:49:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvazk-0001pr-RY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:49:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cvazy-0004M8-NS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:49:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvaxM-00018J-KC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:47:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvaxM-00018A-6Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:47:04 +0000 Received: from cas-mta3-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.28] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvaxI-00027d-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:47:04 +0000 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IB600GOEM5OY3@cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:46:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:33:14 +0100 From: Dick Rollema In-reply-to: X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050131133100.05152d80@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 References: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.80.1.28 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0SE beacon received in JN01HO Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Eduardo, EA3GHS wrote

At 09:42 31-1-05, you wrote:
Last saturday nigth (20:45utc), I saw the signal
from PA0SE, -40dB under the strong DCF, and
+7 dB over the noise.
I saw a lot of QRN from a far storm, too.
The total distance was 1200km,
A detailed signal report can be found in my web site:
http://usuarios.lycos.es/ea3ghs/vlf/09_pa0se.html

73 DX from Catalonia
Eduardo
EA3GHS
Many thanks for the very complete report on your web site. I am happy that my small signal at least made it into Catalonia.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36820 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 14:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 14:05:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvcAj-000MBN-RW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:04:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvcAj-000MBK-Or for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:04:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvcBT-0000SP-P0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:05:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cvc7l-00071H-UU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:01:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cvc7l-000718-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:01:53 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cvc7h-0005G1-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:01:53 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.101] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with ESMTP id <2005013114013611200qqp23e> (Authid: dmcintyre); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:01:36 +0000 Message-ID: <41FE3A38.5010107@att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:01:28 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> <000601c5071d$46681740$66ce28c3@erica> <001201c5072b$d25fa980$05c828c3@erica> <000f01c50788$1ae52a20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> In-Reply-To: <000f01c50788$1ae52a20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.116 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: G3LDO in CT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jay Rusgrove wrote: > Peter > > Nice signal in CT last night. > > http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/G3LDO013105.jpg > Good copy there Jay! On first review of my captures I didn't notice anything that looked like Peter's signal. But after seeing your copy I wonder if this may be Peter's signal just below my local loran line at 135,921.053 kHz? http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/31jan05.jpg Looking back at past captures I found I often see the 135,920.916 kHz, South Central U.S. line: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/135920khz_31dec04.jpg So if Peter's signal is there it may be covered by the South Central loran line. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29968 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 14:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 14:35:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvcbT-000EdO-8f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:32:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvcbR-000Eco-SP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:32:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cvcdq-00086r-QK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:35:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cvccb-0008Hl-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:33:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cvccb-0008Hc-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:33:45 +0000 Received: from spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.46]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvccY-00060u-UT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:33:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4488C33E67 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:33:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F59333E81 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:33:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E2AED80 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:33:34 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050131153515.0270c180@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:45:34 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <002d01c50596$d697c0f0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> References: <142.3e3d8156.2f2c1586@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.58.240.46 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Dummy loads for LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Bob, Gary, Markus and others,

over the past days a lot of household equipment has been suggested as 136 kHz dummy load.
I wonder what the "cold" resistance of some of these devices are. Most metals have a positive temperature coefficient of about 0.3 to 0.5 % per degree centigrade (iron : 0.5%, copper : 0.4%, aluminium : 0.4%).
For oil jacket heaters the temperature at full power may be only 40 degrees above room temperature (= 20% increased resistance) but for devices like toasters the change very large.
So a 1000 W toaster (@ 220 V) will be about 50 Ohm when loaded with 1kW but probably much less if loaded with only 100 Watt.

73, Rik  ON7YD


At 13:09 29/01/2005 +1300, you wrote:
Gary, Markus and others,
 
Oil jacket heaters are also fairly good dummy loads for LF.  A 1200 watt 230 volt heater has a resistance that is a bit under 50 ohms, but there is some inductance, so simple compensation with around 2200 pF (depends on specific heater) can neutralise the reactance at 136 kHz.  Polystyrene or polypropylene HV capacitors are recommended.  The low Q compensation also raises the effective resistance by way of the series to parallel transformation (consider it to be a form of L match, with series RL and parallel C). 
 
I have found that 1200 watt heaters with two elements have lower inductance (with both switches on, elements are presumably in parallel) than a heater with a single element.
 
The 1200 watt rating of an oil jacket heater is of course a steady state rating, so you wont "blow it up" like you could with a load that is only good for short term use.
 
You can use a domestic heater fed directly via its mains plug (with clip leads), it does not need to be dedicated to LF :-)  If you want to, you can make a simple interface box, with SO239 to mains socket, and put the compensating capacitor inside the box.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42119 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 15:11:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 15:11:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvdDE-000Ik2-BA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:11:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvdDC-000IjY-Uk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:11:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvdDQ-0006bb-BB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:11:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvdA0-0002fx-Bh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:08:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvdA0-0002fo-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:08:16 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cvd9w-0007Vo-Ib for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:08:15 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.174.233 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 15:08:04 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c507a6$9afc03a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <142.3e3d8156.2f2c1586@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20050131153515.0270c180@u0019445.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:07:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Dummy loads for LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Rik is sounds like our toasers and kettles should all be subject to a "swearing-in" session !! Sorry my company used to sell CB sets at one time. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: 31 January 2005 14:45 Subject: Re: LF: Dummy loads for LF > Hello Bob, Gary, Markus and others, > > over the past days a lot of household equipment has been suggested as 136 > kHz dummy load. > I wonder what the "cold" resistance of some of these devices are. Most > metals have a positive temperature coefficient of about 0.3 to 0.5 % per > degree centigrade (iron : 0.5%, copper : 0.4%, aluminium : 0.4%). > For oil jacket heaters the temperature at full power may be only 40 degrees > above room temperature (= 20% increased resistance) but for devices like > toasters the change very large. > So a 1000 W toaster (@ 220 V) will be about 50 Ohm when loaded with 1kW but > probably much less if loaded with only 100 Watt. > > 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84178 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 15:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 15:58:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvdwj-0006ay-Vq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:58:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvdwj-0006aX-1J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:58:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cvdwl-000Jze-BH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:58:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvduY-0006QD-Lw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:56:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvduY-0006Q4-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:56:22 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvduS-00017I-GZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:56:22 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@217.42.60.216 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 15:56:10 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:56:05 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Dummy Loads for LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Gary and LF,
 
I've been using "Dale" 50W metal-cased resistors for a dummy load. They're wire-wound but it doesn't seem to matter, and they work just fine at LF. They've got a gold anodised metal jacket with two lugs. RS Components sell them in UK. Look at VE7TIL's "Goggle-watt" dummy load, and you'll get the picture ;-)
 
 
The 50W models have a 1250 volt rating, and the 100W ones are rated at 1900 volts. I found it useful to make up my dummy load as a 50-ohm 6dB power attenuator rather than a terminating load. This was because I wanted to use my existing 25W powermeter with a 100W tx. It's also handy if you are doing "dodgy" antenna experiments, and don't want to expose your PA Fets to undue stress. Feed the PA to the antenna via the 6dB attenuator until you are happy about the match.
One final cautionary tale.... if you are using white ceramic-bodied high-wattage resistors salvaged from SMPSU's etc, be very careful as some of these contain a thermal fuse which opens at a certain temperature...so look carefully for labelling that contains references to temperature...eg "135'C" etc.
 
Cheers and good luck with the project.
 
Dave G3WCB.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 28 January 2005 22:55
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods

Hi Markus & LF,
 
Thanks for the ideas, I had thought about using 2 x 100r 100 watt wire wound resistors one of my electronic suppliers has.
 

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com
Sent: 28 January 2005 22:24
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods

Gary and LF Group,

types of dummy-loads tested successfully at LF here

- a toaster (1000W @ 230V = 53 Ohms),
- a coffee maker (750W = 70.5 Ohms; needs some water, otherwise it'll turn itself off).

Before connecting them, I checked that there were no internal RF-bypass capacitors before the power switches.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 28.01.2005 22:39:48 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:

Next is to borrow a better dummy load &carry out some prolonged tests.


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(v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <619385539.20050131175213@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bNDSbYZaZeuVAATfkqUObfbLGGdR6uFMNTbUCsXLA1eB8bC9HJ2IZA X-TOI-MSGID: 96a5cb23-31f4-4f76-bbc0-fd407d065ce6 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: TA 30/31 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Copied "XES" 0400-0600z last night and "XGJ" 0530-0550z. Only partial copy of "NA" around 0400z. Faint traces of "NA" until 0700z. There were some stronger traces of "XES" and "NA" earlier the night but not readable due to the strong QRM from EU beacons on 137710/15. Captures can be seen: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98521 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 18:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 18:12:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvg0E-000AQT-7k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:10:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvg0E-000AQO-2D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:10:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cvg39-0000hm-Hy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:13:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvfzL-0007ob-3u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:09:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvfzK-0007oO-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:09:26 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvfzH-0006Os-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:09:26 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.client.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005013118091001300kc0fre>; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:09:16 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c507c1$df908480$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41fab27d7f786@wp.pl> <000601c5071d$46681740$66ce28c3@erica> <001201c5072b$d25fa980$05c828c3@erica> <000f01c50788$1ae52a20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <41FE3A38.5010107@att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:22:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3LDO in CT Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dex, Peter
 
Just looked at the G3LDO capture I uploaded - sorry for the poor image quality - had the .jpg compression cranked way up from a previous operation.
 
I didn't get an accurate frequency readout for Peter - looks to be a slightly below 921. 
 
Dex, you may want to check your later captures - I believe Peter may have changed frequency to 137921.9 at about 0730Z...or maybe that was someone else...that signal was too weak to positively identify.
 
Jay
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: LF: G3LDO in CT

Jay Rusgrove wrote:
> Peter
>
> Nice signal in CT last night.
>
> http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/G3LDO013105.jpg
>

Good copy there Jay!  On first review of my captures I didn't notice
anything that looked like Peter's signal.  But after seeing your copy I
wonder if this may be Peter's signal just below my local loran line at
135,921.053 kHz?

http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/31jan05.jpg

Looking back at past captures I found I often see the 135,920.916 kHz,
South Central U.S. line:

http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/135920khz_31dec04.jpg

So if Peter's signal is there it may be covered by the South Central
loran line.

Dex

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Rik and others,
 
I understand that "resistance wire" has a fairly neutral temperature coefficient.  Tungsten (light bulbs) do vary significantly with temperature, but not so with nichrome.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Dummy loads for LF

Hello Bob, Gary, Markus and others,

over the past days a lot of household equipment has been suggested as 136 kHz dummy load.
I wonder what the "cold" resistance of some of these devices are. Most metals have a positive temperature coefficient of about 0.3 to 0.5 % per degree centigrade (iron : 0.5%, copper : 0.4%, aluminium : 0.4%).
For oil jacket heaters the temperature at full power may be only 40 degrees above room temperature (= 20% increased resistance) but for devices like toasters the change very large.
So a 1000 W toaster (@ 220 V) will be about 50 Ohm when loaded with 1kW but probably much less if loaded with only 100 Watt.

73, Rik  ON7YD


At 13:09 29/01/2005 +1300, you wrote:
Gary, Markus and others,
 
Oil jacket heaters are also fairly good dummy loads for LF.  A 1200 watt 230 volt heater has a resistance that is a bit under 50 ohms, but there is some inductance, so simple compensation with around 2200 pF (depends on specific heater) can neutralise the reactance at 136 kHz.  Polystyrene or polypropylene HV capacitors are recommended.  The low Q compensation also raises the effective resistance by way of the series to parallel transformation (consider it to be a form of L match, with series RL and parallel C). 
 
I have found that 1200 watt heaters with two elements have lower inductance (with both switches on, elements are presumably in parallel) than a heater with a single element.
 
The 1200 watt rating of an oil jacket heater is of course a steady state rating, so you wont "blow it up" like you could with a load that is only good for short term use.
 
You can use a domestic heater fed directly via its mains plug (with clip leads), it does not need to be dedicated to LF :-)  If you want to, you can make a simple interface box, with SO239 to mains socket, and put the compensating capacitor inside the box.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA
 
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<001201c5072b$d25fa980$05c828c3@erica> <000f01c50788$1ae52a20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <41FE3A38.5010107@att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:18:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: G3LDO in CT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dex said > > Good copy there Jay! On first review of my captures I didn't notice > anything that looked like Peter's signal. But after seeing your copy I > wonder if this may be Peter's signal just below my local loran line at > 135,921.053 kHz? > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/31jan05.jpg I transmitted at 0500, the frequency on my frequency counter said 135,9208. I had forgotten to move up 1Hz as I said I would. The last call, transmitted at 0630hs was moved up 1Hz. I will try to get a better calibration and will be on tomorrow morning if I can get myself up. Probably have a transmission tonight at 2300 or 2330. Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10167 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 21:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 21:21:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvizS-000PEb-76 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvizS-000PEW-0F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvizS-0004qn-HT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cviz8-0007O7-R5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cviz8-0007Ny-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:26 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cviz6-0006db-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:21:26 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.15d.4972384f (3858) for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:21:12 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.4972384f.2f2ffb48@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:21:12 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.144.208 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Jason DJ8WX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe,

same here in Nuernberg - 100% copy.

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In einer eMail vom 31.01.2005 22:13:48 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt lowfer@wanadoo.nl:

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 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96467 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 21:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 21:30:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvj62-000Ond-Da for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:28:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cvj62-000Ona-Ah for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:28:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cvj8E-0008L1-NL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:30:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cvj78-00088R-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:29:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cvj75-000885-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:29:39 +0000 Received: from web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.182]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cvj72-00072H-AY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:29:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 18592 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2005 21:29:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20050131212930.18590.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:29:30 GMT Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:29:30 +0000 (GMT) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <15d.4972384f.2f2ffb48@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.10.182 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of yahoo.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Jason DJ8WX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00)
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 58060 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 22:15:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 22:15:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvjpF-000Ebr-Ev for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:15:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvjpF-000Ebo-CT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:15:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cvjpy-0005Qp-01 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:16:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvjmU-0003Io-Ps for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:12:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvjmU-0003If-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:12:26 +0000 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvjmR-0000U0-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:12:26 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.80.42 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 22:12:16 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c507e1$e39a3f60$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41FE9EB4.2050105@wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:11:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.202 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Jason DJ8WX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, the signal was strong on an argo waterfall here but I had an interfering line which would have been in the "window" so did not fire up Jason. Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ko Versteeg" To: Sent: 31 January 2005 21:10 Subject: LF: Jason DJ8WX > Fb copy into JO22KE > 73 de Ko, NL9222 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80074 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvIQB-000Afb-Tk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:59:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CvIQA-000AfQ-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:59:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CvISY-000LUX-SX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:02:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CvIRW-0004n6-Vg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:00:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CvIRW-0004mx-Kg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:00:58 +0000 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvIRT-0003tq-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:00:58 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CvIRS-0004mT-00; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:00:54 +0000 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (bts-0557.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.45]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id j0UH0oUa010991; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:00:53 GMT Message-ID: <200501301700500348.10D15813@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001e01c506d8$1bd0d2a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <41FCEB2F.10402@ix.netcom.com> <001e01c506d8$1bd0d2a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:00:50 +0000 From: "John Rabson" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.247.47.231 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zetnet.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re[2]: [LW] Which is Better? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Depending on the particular topic, it might also be worth while posting it to rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, which deals principally with 137kHz, including transatlantic and transpacific communications. John Rabson G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 30/01/2005 at 14:29 John Andrews wrote: >David, > >> If I'd like a post to be read by the wider lowfer community, >> would it be best to post it to the reflector, or >> to the message board on lwca.org? > >It wouldn't hurt to do both. The LWCA Message Board is read by Lowfers and >by folks who have interests in NDB chasing, VLF monitoring, etc. The Lowfer >reflector is specifically aimed at the 137 kHz and 160-190 kHz crowd. But >there is no reason not to post Lowfer-related news in both locations. > >I have read your posts on the Message Board regarding the SSB modules, and >am curious about their frequency stability. > >John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > > > > >________________________________________ >File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before >opening! >To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64505 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 04:30:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 04:30:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CukFI-0002Fz-Vh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:30:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CukFI-0002Fw-T1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:30:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CukGH-0007oW-1k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:31:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CukEU-0008J4-DQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:29:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CukET-0008Im-Sp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:29:13 +0000 Received: from simmts5.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.163] helo=simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CukEQ-0004zK-9X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 04:29:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.138.232]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050129042852.HFTL1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:28:52 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:31:48 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: lowfer@lwca.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 206.47.199.163 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sympatico.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Off subject - boatanchor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good day all: A friend has asked for help in identifying an older type of transmitter - possibly an original (?) type VOR transmitter. It appears to have been modified - possibly for VHF operation but details are sketchy. I have place some pictures on http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/anchor.htm The 807 looks like a multiplier stage, and the 829B certainly makes me believe it was a VHF transmitter. They help date the equipment - looks like a commercial/military/gov't type device. I would appreciate any comments or positive IDs - and thank you in advance. Email off-line if you wish. Thanks Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13924 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 21:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 21:32:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cudii-0007al-FO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:32:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cudii-0007ag-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:32:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cudj8-000ON1-Or for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:32:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CudgB-00056K-3b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CudgA-00056B-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:22 +0000 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cudg8-0007sc-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:29:22 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0SLT5RU021739; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:06 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0SLT5TW021988; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:05 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0SLT57D022107; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:05 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:59:04 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.16 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I am using a _very_ poor aerial, but it takes the RF. Signal reports from anywhere will be greatly appreciated. QRSS120 137.777 kHz starting 2300 UTC 28 Jan 2005. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54855 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 12:29:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 12:29:25 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuVCm-0007fe-T0 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:26:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CuVCl-0007fP-0h for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:26:27 +0000 Received: from mail5.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.79]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuVFU-0001Z4-Ay for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:29:16 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0SCK6AZ016923; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:28:45 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24433 for lowfer-14416503; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f29.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.39]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24429 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:17:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] FW: XDW off Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:16:46 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080206000801060104020703" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2005 12:17:00.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[44DB4960:01C50533] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080206000801060104020703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WD2XDW em26aq will be off the air from 1800Z today 28th Jan 05 until advised. Nice overnight capture from Mike ZL4OL...thanks Cheers, Laurence. 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+0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050128085254.GQVE21044.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c50516$f583c480$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:54:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.224 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: CKN ~133.1KHz ON w/ MSK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 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Just noticed it for the first time in months...  With the possibility of good prop it might be worth listening for at distance...
 
73 Scott
   
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52315 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 17:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 17:44:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtUim-0007tJ-0F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:43:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CtUil-0007tG-Oh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:43:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtUk2-0006rc-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:44:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CtUgB-0004TD-O4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:40:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CtUgB-0004T4-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:40:39 +0000 Received: from bay102-f5.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.15] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtUg7-00045o-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:40:39 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:40:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:39:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:39:49 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 17:40:06.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[E86D5900:01C50304] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.15 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: XDW mode change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XDW will be going to DFCW60 from 90 from later today and the lower freq trace will be shifted up .1Hz to 137,7753 and higher remains at 137,7756 - keying will be XDW with CW ID at beginning of sequence. Im going up .1hz to get away from some qrm seen on a couple of stations. Conditions are still very poor to Eu from here at the moment and only a very weak trace from DCF39, and intern US from here were poor too,well from here anyway, but we are having better results over the Pacific and XDW was readable at Mike ZL4OL's last night (his dusk I think) over a 13KKms path Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq http://myweb.cableone.net/flow From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27198 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2005 13:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 13:46:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct4XN-000ATo-VQ for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:45:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ct4XN-000ATX-H9 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:45:49 +0000 Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.81]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ct4YP-0004b0-Md for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:46:53 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0ODhfRs019255; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:46:14 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26603 for lowfer-14416503; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca (gander.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.65]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26597 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0ODgjnp024650; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:45 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0ODgiTW028689; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:44 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0ODghDM028741; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:43 -0330 (NST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:12:42 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org cc: lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] Re: VO1NA QRV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.000002 (2004-11-16) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit QRT as of 1200 UTC today as a result of a major set back in the battle against Mother Nature. Bloody weather! 73 Joe ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66862 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 16:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 16:13:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CskLB-000B5T-Ir for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:11:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CskLB-000B5P-C4 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:11:53 +0000 Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.83]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CskML-000I3K-9F for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:13:05 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0NG9llV010734; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:12:35 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16908 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca (gander.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.65]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16892 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0NG8wnp010662; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:58 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j0NG8wTW009135; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:58 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j0NG8vpi009865; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:57 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:38:57 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org cc: lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] VO1NA QRV In-Reply-To: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050123154059.81543.qmail@web25710.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.000002 (2004-11-16) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit VO1NA will back on the air as of 1630 UTC today (23 Jan 05) 100 watts to 100 metre wire sloping up 25 metres on the side of a hill. QRSS30 137.777 kHz 24 hrs until the next sleet/wind storm... 73 Joe ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78828 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 03:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 03:35:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrT5B-000Mfv-Dn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:34:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrT5B-000Mfs-Ae for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:34:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrT6q-000LiC-6r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:35:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrT4P-0000Oc-5Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:33:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrT4O-0000OP-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:33:16 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrT4L-0003gU-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:33:16 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.101] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005012003324411300o38bje> (Authid: dmcintyre); Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:32:49 +0000 Message-ID: <41EF2654.6020607@att.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:32:36 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lowfer LWCA , Longwave Message Board , RSGB LF X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.131.117 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: SAQ in North Carolina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I have uploaded a 428k .wav file of part of the SAQ transmission. This was received with a 10 foot diameter untuned loop to a Wandel-Goltermann SPM-19 filtered with Spectran and slowed down a bit with Cool-Edit. My audio editing knowledge if very limited. http://w4dex.com/saq/ I also recorded the transmission with a vertical to a HP3586B SLM. Copy was close to the same but I think the loop/WG was a little better. If anyone wants to play with raw audio files I will be glad to upload them in whole or in parts. One file is about 12 MB and the other 24 MB since I forgot to set the recording at the same rate. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67996 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 01:42:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cr4pX-0009pa-4Z for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:40:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cr4pW-0009pW-Pu for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:40:18 +0000 Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.75]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cr4rL-000Gbz-1X for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:42:11 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0J1drUr028355; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:41:39 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08111 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f24.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.34]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08105 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:39:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:38:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] XDW off for SAQ tests Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:38:41 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2005 01:39:18.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[B10B3F00:01C4FDC7] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Off air at appx 0030Z - will return after the SAQ test tomorrow lunchtime CST - using the big loop and smaller loop onto 2 x slms and sound cards/mp3's Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq oklahoma ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18032 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 01:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 01:08:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqLLm-0002L1-FK for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:06:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqLLk-0002Ki-ND for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:06:32 +0000 Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.84]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqLND-000IAK-NS for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:08:03 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0H14cf4003644; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:07:27 GMT Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27889 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ms.genesis-technology.com (mail.genesiswireless.us [63.171.43.8]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27884 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j0H147oO009418; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:04:07 -0600 Message-ID: <41EB0F89.3030509@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:06:17 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: lowfer@lwca.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: [LW] coast to coast condx References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Maybe Mal has a big beam for 137kc and it is pointing at Oklahoma? Wonder how many prop pitch motors it would take to swing that baby around =-O Mike Laurence KL1X wrote: > Nice capture Mitch - > >> From Oklahoma, at present, signals from Eu hams on 137Khz are still >> going > > to be well below rx threshold, qrss or cw...still "poor" conditions in > my book. Pretty disturbed on Auroral fringing paths. > > DCF39 sorts of path would indicate that ham signals are around 25dB > below readable signals on argo at 1W erp limits here at the moment. > > Suprised my CW message and DFCW signals are readble in the UK fm Mals > extraordinary QTH... > > Laurence KL1X/5 > > > >> From: Mitch Powell <> >> Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org >> To: >> CC: >> Subject: [LW] coast to coast condx >> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:40:37 -0500 >> >> Good morning all: >> Found a number of interesting ARGO captures this morning >> receiving coast-to-coast stations from VE7TIL sine wave to >> solid VO1NA. Looks like at least six stations with one more >> being unidentified. Using 10 ft diameter/16 turn/ remotely >> tuned (varactor) loop at 7 meters and R75. Enjoy at: >> http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/six137.jpg >> >> 73 >> Mitch VE3OT > ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! 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Anyone plagued by a slow dialup connection may find this line-art version of the schematic not as pretty as John's, but about 7 times quicker to obtain:
 
 
Fascinating project.
 
I would quibble a bit over the "fourth method" nomenclature in the VK3BHR article, though, since it still amounts to summing the output of two double-balanced modulators, each driven with I&Q versions of the audio and RF.  The only difference between this and other switched balanced modulators is, the RF drive to each switch-- comprising half of each respective DBM-- lasts for 90 degrees of the carrier rather than the usual 180.  You could replace the ring divider with the normal and inverted outputs of a standard quadrature divide-by-four circuit and achieve fundamentally the same result.
 
John D
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46051 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 20:38:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqH8t-000OCS-Lf for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:37:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqH8t-000OCP-Iu for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:36:59 +0000 Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.84]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqHAO-000LWX-7F for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:38:32 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0GKZFVC022110; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:38:06 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10899 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:41:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.79]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10895 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16352 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 20:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2005 20:35:06 -0000 Message-ID: <005801c4fc0a$c5526380$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] Image-Cancelling Exciter Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:34:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I've been tinkering with a phasing exciter that uses easy-to-get parts and produces a very clean signal from the sound card quadrature outputs in Jason and SpecLab. A preliminary schematic (hand-drawn, DL4YHF quality ) is at: http://www.w1tag.com/files/Exciter.jpg The "left" and "right" inputs from the sound card are at the upper left. A 4X L.O. input is at the lower left. The output on the right is +8 dBm for a 1.5 volt p-p audio input. Power is 12 VDC, not critical, but stay above 11 VDC. Present specs at +9 dBm output are: Carrier: > 65 dB suppression LSB: > 52 dB suppression All other: > 50 dB below the carrier. I'll get this drawn and written up later in the week. Questions about my sanity are welcome. Credit is due VK3BHR for several ideas in the article posted at: http://ironbark.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/~rice/ssb/ssb.html John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4715 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 17:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 17:49:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqESv-00083y-Kz for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:45:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqESv-00083v-IH for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:45:29 +0000 Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.84]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqEWi-000KCz-67 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:49:24 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0GHko76018807; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:48:46 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27186 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27131; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DEE7806D; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:10 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID197JaPRUk6372X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.155.63] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 589JaPRUH0094M36; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:46:08 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.155.63 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41EAA864.4030907@usa.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:46:12 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hifer@lwca.org, lowfer@lwca.org, LF Mailing List Cc: uli@df5sf-qrp.de Subject: [LW] OT : Jason on the 30m band References: <41213169.7030604@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41213169.7030604@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010204030001060704020308" Z-USANET-MsgId: XID589JaPRUi0094X36 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010204030001060704020308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everybody,

  I received a message from Uli Henzler DF5SF, who does not subscribe to any of the
reflectors whom this message is addressed to, the notice of a QRP transmission starting
this Sunday evening in Jason fast mode. He asks for reception reports.
Here are the details :
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The transmission will start this evening at 19:00 UTC until Friday, 22:00 UTC.
I have modified the JASON (FAST-Mode) session:
beginning with a 60(!) second long center frequency carrier (for tuning, after 30 sec interrupted
with my CWID) and then " DF5SF <message 6 characters> "
If I have time I change the message every day at abt. 19:00 UTC, but not shure. 
The center frequency is 10.140.125 +- 2 Hz    For further details see the attachment.

My equipment:
DDS-VFO with ATMEL AT90S2313 and AD9835 (Kit from www.qrpproject.de) with oven
controlled oscillator, the "PA" is a video amplifier AD811.
Power is abt 90mW into a magnetic loop from MFJ, diameter abt 1m.

So lets look what happens
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73/72 de
Uli Henzler     DF5SF
Hohenzollernstr.4
D-72766 Reutlingen-Mittelstadt
http://www.df5sf-qrp.de
email: uli@df5sf-qrp.de
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73  Alberto  I2PHD
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from bay102-f34.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.44] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqEBS-0004Um-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:27:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:26:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 08:26:41 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2005 17:27:08.0561 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B125810:01C4FBF0] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.44 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: RE: [LW] coast to coast condx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Nice capture Mitch - >From Oklahoma, at present, signals from Eu hams on 137Khz are still going to be well below rx threshold, qrss or cw...still "poor" conditions in my book. Pretty disturbed on Auroral fringing paths. DCF39 sorts of path would indicate that ham signals are around 25dB below readable signals on argo at 1W erp limits here at the moment. Suprised my CW message and DFCW signals are readble in the UK fm Mals extraordinary QTH... Laurence KL1X/5 >From: Mitch Powell >Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org >To: >CC: >Subject: [LW] coast to coast condx >Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:40:37 -0500 > >Good morning all: >Found a number of interesting ARGO captures this morning >receiving coast-to-coast stations from VE7TIL sine wave to >solid VO1NA. Looks like at least six stations with one more >being unidentified. Using 10 ft diameter/16 turn/ remotely >tuned (varactor) loop at 7 meters and R75. Enjoy at: >http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/six137.jpg > >73 >Mitch VE3OT > > > >________________________________________ >File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before >opening! >To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1339 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 16:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 16:57:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDgg-0000qE-Pa for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:55:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDgg-0000qB-N2 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:55:38 +0000 Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.82]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqDiC-0005wJ-JU for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:57:12 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0GGrXR8016987; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:56:43 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22623 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22619 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.172.112]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050116165300.XFGF1614.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:53:00 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:55:47 -0500 Subject: [LW] Re: LF: West Coast NA activity... From: Mitch Powell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: lowfer@lwca.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <145.3d46eb7f.2f1be25d@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Re: LF: West Coast NA activity...

Looks like the previous QSO between Mitch and Larry was QRSS. Not sure if they made it after this using CW.

Hi David:
Let me add to the confusion  ! !
Larry and I had our QSO at some variable speed between QRSS1 and QRSS 3 - in other words we were
both using a hand key and mentally counting the dots and dashes as " 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi 3 Mississippi -
so, you get the idea. The timing was variable, and dependent on how much adrenaline was flowing at the
moment - ha!
In addition the software we were using was SPECTROGRAM - which was necessary as the signals
were close to the noise level at that time of day ( mid-afternoon ).
Both stations were using single FET amplifiers, running between 50 and 75 watts input and using hand keys.

Scott and Steve certainly can claim their first CW (  audible ) QSO.
Congratulations guys...... and I'm pleased to finally copy Scott on 137 this morning.
I have previously copied Steve when he has been on "the island".

How are the dogs David ?

73
Mitch

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51269 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 16:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 16:42:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDQG-000JHZ-Si for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:38:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqDQG-000JHW-NP for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:38:40 +0000 Received: from mail4.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.78]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CqDU4-000DER-1T for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:42:36 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail4.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0GGcS8f009954; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:42:10 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21657 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts7.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.165]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21653 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.179.85]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050116163751.CVR1621.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:37:51 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:40:37 -0500 Subject: [LW] coast to coast condx From: Mitch Powell To: lowfer@lwca.org CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good morning all: Found a number of interesting ARGO captures this morning receiving coast-to-coast stations from VE7TIL sine wave to solid VO1NA. Looks like at least six stations with one more being unidentified. Using 10 ft diameter/16 turn/ remotely tuned (varactor) loop at 7 meters and R75. Enjoy at: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/six137.jpg 73 Mitch VE3OT ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56063 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 02:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 02:26:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq043-000M8K-FA for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:22:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cq043-000M8G-35 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:22:51 +0000 Received: from mail6.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.80]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cq07w-0005oJ-5r for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:26:52 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0G2Nxfo024404; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:26:20 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20229 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20201 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050116022317.QFDI9979.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c4fb72$7e4c7540$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] West Coast NA activity... Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:24:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Both VE7SL and VE7TIL where activite today working cross band CW contacts on 2200m/80m today.
 
Stations worked included:
VE7XF - Delta, BC and about 30Km from TIL
VE7VB - Victoria, BC, about 100Km from TIL
 
Reception reports from:
AA7U, SE OR at ~730KM!
 
Steve and I will later 'shatter' the Canadian 2200m CW distance record by finally having a formal CW QSO on 2200m.
 
I hope this is enough to make Mal smile ;-)
 
All in all a good day!
 
Thanks to those that responded!
 
73 Scott
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44902 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 01:24:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 01:24:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cotj3-00015j-GA for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:24:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cotj1-00015Q-Hs for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:24:35 +0000 Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.84]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cotit-000BEL-7o for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:24:27 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0D1J3Ta030062; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:24:01 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07764 for lowfer-14416503; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f40.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.50]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07756 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:18:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.116.52 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:17:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.116.52] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] XDW intermittent Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:17:13 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2005 01:18:25.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7F06C90:01C4F90D] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Storms keep knocking off the mains power here in NE OKlahoma, and the Decca isnt on the UPS (!) so intermittently off air. Very noisy on Rx hence why Im transmitting..cant hear a thing at the mom. Laurence KL1x/5 em26aq wd2xdw 13,7752/6 ish dfcw 90 - moving around a bit, playing with drive sources ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97285 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2005 15:58:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 15:58:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cokso-000Jnc-FL for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:58:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cokso-000JnQ-5S for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:58:06 +0000 Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.83]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Coksj-000MzD-8o for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:58:01 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j0CFsfex003483; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:57:20 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01155 for lowfer-14416503; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01151 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Cokp9-0005C8-04; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:19 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Z4mSP2ZEZe9KdNyUoeVkyZcq8zq8zaGVZgfJhc2MfZ-R8Tsq86XYgl@[80.144.121.236]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Cokp1-1hkxCC0; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:54:08 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <977397535.20050112165408@t-online.de> To: "rsgb_lf_group @ blacksheep . org" , lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] TA 11/12 Jan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ID: Z4mSP2ZEZe9KdNyUoeVkyZcq8zq8zaGVZgfJhc2MfZ-R8Tsq86XYgl X-TOI-MSGID: 855bb913-2e1b-4c33-98fd-e0a48d287ed7 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Very strong QRSS10 signal from VO1NA 2330-0100z and 0200-0800z. Brief copy of WD2XGJ in QRSS30 0510-0550UTC. Screenshots: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50550 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 04:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 04:32:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnUkV-0005JK-Ax for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:32:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CnUkV-0005JH-8Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:32:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CnUku-000E9R-Nm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:32:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CnUk8-0002ZS-Bv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CnUk7-0002ZJ-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:55 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnUk5-0007xC-6x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:55 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (unknown[204.127.197.130](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010904314401300su2cue>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 04:31:44 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:43 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 04:31:43 +0000 Message-Id: <010920050431.17338.41E0B3AF0008C052000043BA22069997350B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] WD2XGJ QRSS 30 on 137.7797 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
WD2XGJ QSY to 137.7796 running QRSS 30
 
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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
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WD2XGJ is running QRSS 30 on 137.7775
 
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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17832 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 11:22:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 11:22:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsC8-0008Hl-Vw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:22:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmsC7-0008H9-82 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:22:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CmsCl-0005tY-OB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:22:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsCR-0001ju-P5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:22:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CmsCR-0001jl-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:22:35 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CmsCN-0002c5-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:22:35 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CmsCM-0006p2-09; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:22:30 +0100 Received: from HW1 (VmPmo8ZTQe7Sdp8DsNsrKLQfc6s1AuhkwHam6l8EIoCSp0ZgKTpi8m@[80.144.117.97]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CmsCL-0u4sNs0; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:22:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:22:25 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <307395632.20050107122225@t-online.de> To: "rsgb_lf_group @ blacksheep . org" , lowfer@lwca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: VmPmo8ZTQe7Sdp8DsNsrKLQfc6s1AuhkwHam6l8EIoCSp0ZgKTpi8m X-TOI-MSGID: d8d96103-32e2-4f1b-9dc8-6118da521eac X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: TA 6/7th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good signal from WD2XGJ in QRSS60 and WD2XES in Jason last night. Added some screenshots of VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ to my website.: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59181 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 11:02:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 11:02:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmrsT-0003Ug-By for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:01:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CmrsT-0003UV-4Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:01:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmrt7-0007bG-Nv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:02:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmrsq-0001di-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:02:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=relay.omnieng.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cmrmp-0001Wy-Lf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:56:07 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay.omnieng.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cmq71-0004v2-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:08:55 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.107] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050107090722113005otcae> (Authid: dmcintyre); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:07:22 +0000 Message-ID: <41DE5143.4040502@att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:07:15 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: Lowfer LWCA References: <41DE1DE3.3040300@att.net> In-Reply-To: <41DE1DE3.3040300@att.net> X-SPF-Result: relay.omnieng.net: 204.127.131.117 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of worldnet.att.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Loran line at 135,920.7 +/- KHz ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > Tonight I see a signal near 135,920.7 Khz. Looking back at past years > captures of this spectrum I see this same line when T/A signals were > good. Does anyone else receive what looks like a Loran line at this > frequency? > > Dex > > On this capture made at 0601Z the signal appears to be keyed with a peak about 0530Z. Is someone transmitting there? http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/13592x_hz_07jan05.jpg Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21820 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2005 05:32:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2005 05:32:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmmik-0003RT-Su for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:31:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cmmik-0003RO-OE for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:31:34 +0000 Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.81]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cmmjh-000BhC-St for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:32:33 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j075Snxt011308; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:32:11 GMT Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15456 for lowfer-14416503; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15452 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.252.107] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050107052817113005oo8je> (Authid: dmcintyre); Fri, 7 Jan 2005 05:28:17 +0000 Message-ID: <41DE1DE3.3040300@att.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:28:03 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF , Lowfer LWCA Subject: [LW] Loran line at 135,920.7 +/- KHz ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Tonight I see a signal near 135,920.7 Khz. Looking back at past years captures of this spectrum I see this same line when T/A signals were good. Does anyone else receive what looks like a Loran line at this frequency? Dex ________________________________________ File attachments, if any, have NOT been virus scanned...check before opening! To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98127 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 07:18:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 07:18:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CliwV-000EzG-MD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:17:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CliwV-000EzD-Jl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:17:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Clixv-000GJm-Ix for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Clixh-0006j2-O5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Clixh-0006it-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:37 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Clixd-0003TR-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:18:37 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104071826.YPFW16642.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: <007e01c4f22d$b5935bc0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:19:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TIL in QRSS60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66618 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 21:40:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 21:40:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClZuq-000Lnr-Qx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClZup-000Lnc-Qp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ClZwJ-000ABy-P5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:40:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClZvA-0005It-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClZv9-0005Ik-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:23 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClZuy-0001vS-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:23 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.115 ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005010321384101500cidjge>; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:38:47 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.115; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:38:38 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:38:38 +0000 Message-Id: <010320052138.27500.41D9BB5E00021FF900006B6C22007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: LF: WD2XGJ QRSS 60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
WD2XGJ  is transmitting QRSS 60 on 137.7797, 250 watts into a loop.
Reports welcome
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63770 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 23:39:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 23:39:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClFHw-000OX6-HV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClFHw-000OX3-Ec for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClFJZ-000BpS-Hl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:39:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClFIv-0001rR-Pd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:38:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClFIv-0001rI-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:38:33 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClFIr-0006Ye-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:38:33 +0000 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005010223375101300cbsr3e>; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:37:51 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.111; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:49 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:37:49 +0000 Message-Id: <010220052337.26082.41D885CD000A0575000065E222058864420B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Nov 22 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: error in processing during lookup of domain of comcast.net: DNS lookup failure X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024,RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: Re: LF: Alaska Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

> I learnt a bit more about my ft817 on LF, >
 Laurence,
   I've learned that my FT-817 is deaf as a post on LF. I hooked up a whip antenna to it and took a walk with it a couple of weeks ago. My Part 5 beacon was s-8 about 3 feet directly under the transmitting antenna. (My Part 5 beacon was running about 250 watts out.) By the time I had walked maybe 1000 feet away, I could not hear a trace of my beacon! I believe that you used a pre-amp, I hope it had a LOT of gain!
  I've visited Alaska three times in the past four years, each time I took a radio or two. I've always been dissappointed with the HF propagation there (too much in the auroral absorption zone). I know that you lived there for some time, so you are in a better position to compare your recent results with typical conditions.
   I did get a tour of the HAARP ionospheric heating transmitter site in Gakona, Alaska in 2000. I drove back toward Anchorage in the evening after getting a tour of HAARP from the cheif engineer. About halfway between Gakona and Anchorage, I pulled over to the side of the road and tuned my SONY 2010 to the frequency that HAARP was transmitting on that night (which was 3.300 MHz). The signal was watery and not all that strong for a transmitter running 750 kW into a 21 dB gain array!
  Just my 2cents!
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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ 
 

FN42hidnt help too much and in a 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76891 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2005 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2005 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClEa2-000MCi-Mw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:52:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ClEa2-000MCf-HL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:52:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1ClEbK-000OvT-IJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:53:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ClEaw-0001l4-MA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:53:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ClEaw-0001kv-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:53:06 +0000 Received: from bay102-f40.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.50] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1ClEar-0006Qw-QL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:53:06 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:53:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.92.82.22 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:52:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.92.82.22] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:52:58 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2005 22:53:00.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF36D7C0:01C4F11D] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.50 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0,TW_XD=0.077 Subject: LF: Alaska Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Back from AK to OK. Results from this "expedition" were poor- the Auroral episodic activity quashed any form(s) of long haul both within the Americas and Eu. Signals from Eu were stronger during the day which was always bad karma (man) - Apart from a few full callsigns from Steve Ve7sl I only bits from other Part 5 and VE stations - nada from Eu ; it would have taken another 30-35 dB before Id had seen much from the Eu 1W erpers, and nothing from the US Part 15'ers. The site was nestled in the mountains too which didnt help too much and in a poorer lowere angle take-off location than my previously site in Anchorage. I learnt a bit more about my ft817 on LF, my pc security system and the min antler/rack height for a loop array... Laurence KL1X/5 en26aq now wd2xdw 137,7755 qrss90 "xdw" and 9 wpm cw id from 2230z 2nd Jan 05 thanks for all the support this year. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46111 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 21:41:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckqyg-0007gW-1n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:40:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Ckqyf-0007gN-SH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:40:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ckr0T-0004vh-Qb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckr0D-00050H-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckr0D-000508-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:37 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Ckr09-0001O8-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:41:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 6372 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 21:41:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2005 21:41:31 -0000 Message-ID: <011a01c4f04a$8ab6d2e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:40:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: WD2XES Jason Slow Turbo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) WD2XES will be running in the new Jason Slow Turbo mode tonight on 137.779 kHz. This will produce "dashes" of 48 seconds, which should look OK on a 30-second screen. You will need the latest version of Jason to copy the text. Go to: http://www.weaksignals.com for Jason 0.98. Be sure to set the speed to Slow and turn on the "Tx Turbo Mode". Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25160 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 17:18:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 17:18:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkmsT-000HiF-Em for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:17:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CkmsS-000Hi4-Qq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:17:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ckmtv-000Em9-Hm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckmtd-0004AX-CY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ckmtc-0004AO-UI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:32 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CkmtY-0000qC-4r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:32 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A299A78050; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:18:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.128] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21K); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:17 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg128.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID493JaaRsR2095X01 Received: from uwdvg008.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.8] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 320JaaRsL0391M28; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:12 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 165.212.8.8 AUTO dibene@usa.net uwdvg008.cms.usa.net Received: from 151.41.143.73 [151.41.143.73] by uwdvg008.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.0402.7.16); Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:18:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:18:10 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene To: lowfer@lwca.org, LF Mailing List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.0402.7.16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <409JaaRsk0128S08.1104599890@uwdvg008.cms.usa.net> Z-USANET-MsgId: XID320JaaRsm0391X28 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.31 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.531 Subject: LF: Considerations about Jason and its new Turbo (?) mode... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Greetings all, after slowly recovering from the excess drinking of New Year Midnight, I have coded a new function in Jason, which was originated by a comment of Bill de Carle, who said that the duration of tones maybe could be shortened, at least when the SNR is good. The duration was not chosen randomly, it obeys to a physics law, which says that in order to nail down a signal frequency with an uncertainty of df (delta f), you must observe it for a time not shorter that 1/df. But what Bill said made me think that in conditions of good SNR you could accept a reduced likelihood of a correct identification of the frequency, without increasing the error rate. So I have introduced the "Turbo" mode, which basically cuts in half the duration of each tone, leaving all of the other parameters unchanged. Some simple audio tests done here (laptop in one room squeaking Jason tones from the speakers, and PC with a microphone in a noisy environment in another room) gave positive results, at least above a given SNR level. So now the possible speeds are : Slow, Turbo OFF Throughput = 18.93 char/hour, 0.315 char/min Slow, Turbo ON " = 37.86 " 0.631 " Normal, Turbo OFF " = 151.4 " 2.523 " Normal, Turbo ON " = 302.8 " 5.047 " Fast, Turbo OFF " = 1214.2 " 20.24 " Fast, Turbo ON " = 2422.5 " 40.37 " The last row is interesting. There are many key-hunting "typists" that are slower than that, so may be the Fast/ON mode could be tried as some sort of RTTY on HF... what are the frequency stability requirements from the rig ? Due to the nature of IFK, a slow drift is of no consequences, provided that the frequency stays in the same FFT bin for the duration of the tone. At the fastest speed, with Turbo ON, the tone duration is abt. 0.743 sec, and the bin size is abt. 0.673 Hz. This implies that, e.g. at 14.1 MHz, the frequency must not change more than 38.5 ppm in a 10-minute interval. This does not look like as a difficult figure to achieve. Any takers ? So, in the light of all the above, I have uploaded Jason V0.98, which you can normally download by visiting the Web page http://www.weaksignals.com I have also implemented the function requested by Scott Tilley, i.e. the possibility to load the beacon text from a file. At each repetition of the beacon, the file is loaded again, in case it has changed. Sorry for the long posting, and please send reports, TNX. 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. When testing, the Rx station must set Turbo OFF or ON in accord with the Tx station, as this changes a parameter also in the decoder. 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