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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear LF Group,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I made a first attempt at trying to analyse the 
"variable phase" type of PSK modulation that DL4YHF has experimented with 
recently. The following is far from complete, but I think it gives some 
interesting results and pointers for further discussion and 
development.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I beleive Wolf has used a type of PSK where the 
phase of the carrier is varied linearly from 0 to pi radians, or pi to 0 
radians, for a 0 to 1 or 1 to 0 bit transition. So during the transition the 
signal could be represented as sin(wct + theta) where wc is the carrier 
frequency and theta is the phase shift, proportional to the time. There are 2 
types of transition, "forward" (0 to 1) where the carrier goes 0 to pi radians, 
and "reverse" where it goes pi to 0 radians. For linearly changing phase, 
assuming that the transition lasts 1 bit period T, and the mid-point of the 
transition is at t=0, theta will be:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>forward: theta = (pi/2 +pi.t/T)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>reverse: theta = (pi/2 - pi.t/T)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>so during the transition period -T/2 to T/2, the 
signal will be sin(wct + [pi/2 +/- pi.t/T]), the +/- depending whether the 
transition is forward or reverse. Using the standard trig identities (remember 
those?), this can be resolved into in-phase (sin wct) and quadrature (cos wct) 
components, since sin(x+y) =&nbsp;cosy.sinx + siny.cosx:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I component: cos(pi/2 +/- 
pi.t/T).sin(wct)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Q component: sin(pi/2 +/- 
pi.t/T).cos(wct)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A bit of thought about the&nbsp;I component shows 
it is just exactly the normal envelope-modulated PSK waveform used in PSK31 etc. 
- it starts at +/-sin(wct), ramps down to zero, then comes up with the opposite 
phase as -/+sin(wct), the signs depending on whether it is a fwd or rev 
transition. But in addition to this we have the Q quadrature component - it 
turns out with a bit more trigonometric fiddling that sin(pi/2 + pi.t/T) = 
sin(pi/2 - pi.t/T), therefore the quadrature component is like the in-phase 
component but without the phase reversals - in effect it is a carrier 100% 
modulated with a half-sine wave envelope occuring each time a transition 
occurs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So now we can see the effect of variable phase 
modulation on the spectrum - we will have the "ideal" envelope-modulated BPSK 
spectrum, plus the spectrum of the quadrature component. This will have infinite 
sidebands, due to the "sharp corners" of the half-sine-wave 
modulation&nbsp;envelope meeting the zero line; it will have the fourier 
spectrum of a full-wave rectified sine wave, whatever that is, reflected 
around&nbsp;a carrier frequency component - the amplitudes of the sidebands will 
be lower than those of "abrupt" phase transitions (rectangular pulse spectrum), 
but I guess still significant. This shows that the linear&nbsp;ramping of phase 
is not the optimum as far as the spectrum is concerned - I think the solution is 
to replace  the linear ramp with perhaps a gaussian sort of smoothly curved 
ramp, or maybe a cosine-shaped ramp. I guess that this will have the effect of 
increasing the lower order sidebands, but reducing the higher order sidebands - 
perhaps ending up with a signal that has a bandwidth about twice the bit rate - 
for moderate bit rates, this should be very acceptable compared to on-off keyed 
CW or normal FSK. Allthough I have not attempted to analyse this properly, this 
is actually what my variable -phase modulator ( <A 
href="http://www.wireless.org.uk/moritz.htm">http://www.wireless.org.uk/moritz.htm</A>&nbsp;)did 
- the phase keyed signal is first turned into trapezoidal phase ramps, then low 
pass filtered by a bessel response filter to produce a smoothly curved phase 
signal. I did this just as an intuitive guess - I can't find the spectra I 
obtained with this at the moment, but I recall they were essentially in 
agreement with the above, with a visible carrier and somewhat more 2nd order 
sideband component.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The other thing of interest is - what effect will 
the additional quadrature component have on the demodulation process? The 
classic way of demodulating PSK is to multiply the signal with a regenerated 
carrier sin(wct), and low-pass filter out the "DC" (actually the baseband 
signal). Multiplying the quadrature component by this sin(wct) will 
result&nbsp;in no baseband signal component, so this should have no effect on 
the actual demodulation. However, it might have&nbsp;an effect on the recovery 
of the carrier. From looking at the previous mails on demodulators, I guess that 
what is essentially being done is to measure the average phase of the signal 
over a period of time - if there are equal 1s and 0s, the phase will be 0 or pi 
each 50% of the time, giving an average of pi/2, so adding in the Q component 
with a constant pi/2 phase should not change that - but I am on dodgy ground 
there, I think. However, Wolf's on-air experiments seem to&nbsp;confirm that 
there is little effect in the "real world".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope I haven't made any stupid errors in the 
above, but someone has to stick their neck out!&nbsp;If I'm wrong, please let me 
know. In conclusion, I think the "variable phase" scheme should work OK, both 
from the point of view of the signal spectrum (with attention to the shape of 
the phase ramp), and also demodulation - so it seems to be worth pursuing 
it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Hi All 

Sorry if this lengthy message is a bit controversial but I 
feel I ought to comment on some of Mal's statements: 


>Normal RTTY would not be acceptable on LF this has 
>been discussed many times before.

As a newcomer to the band (only 18 months of listening and 
reading the Reflector) I guess I have missed all the 
discussions re LF RTTY. However, what I can contribute is the 
(perhaps obvious) observation that the band seems to be 
extremely underused - was it always like this? Even at "peak" 
times I have not seen any more than 300 Hz of the 2100 Hz in 
use. 

>I would suggest that those interested in LF should 
>learn CW. This mode is more likely to attract new 
>users on LF.

I know of two new LF operators who don't want to use CW and I 
suspect there are a LOT more who would be interested if there 
was an alternative to learning morse. Remember that in the 
past 18 months, many thousands of "code-free" amateurs across 
Europe have been given access to LF & HF. The fact that they 
did not learn morse to give them access to all the HF bands 
indicates to me that CW would be a DETERRENT rather than an 
attraction!
 
>Data modes are useful if there is a large volume 
>of traffic to move between stations. 

Agreed - things like describing station equipment, exchanging 
ideas and experiences....

>The average radio amateur only exchanges Name, 
>QTH, and QSA/QRK

I guess I'm not average! I prefer a longer conversation. I 
would venture to say that LF operators are FAR from average. 
LF is one of the few bands where you can be fairly sure that 
the chap (or chappess) at the other end has had to assemble 
much of his equipment and aerials rather than just write a 
cheque.

So, in the absence of a narrow-band medium-speed keyboard 
mode that can be transmitted through a non-linear amplifier, 
is it time to review how we make best use of our 2.1 kHz ?? 

Regards

Brian G3YKB














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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Linear modes</DIV>
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  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>&gt;&gt;&gt; The 500 khz band if it becomes available to 
  radio amateurs has traditionally<BR>been a CW band. &gt;&gt;&gt;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>And RTTY.&nbsp; And other digital modes.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Only rtty and variations on 516 khz in recent years. This ex marine band 
  was 99.9% CW until it was phased out in favour of INMARSAT. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Of course, it's also MF rather than LF, where a 
  transmitting&nbsp;antenna of a given size is eight times more efficient than 
  at 2200m, and where there's only about a third the QRN.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>This is not true. If there is an electrical storm 
  generating QRN then all bands suffer equally from LF through to 
  HF.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>I have checked this over the years and 160 metres suffers very severely 
  during an electrical storm. </DIV>
  <DIV>There is very little difference on 137, 500 and 1800 khz when it comes 
  to&nbsp;QRN. I have checked it so many times.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial>&nbsp;Yes, I suppose under those conditions, "normal CW" 
  might be adequate.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><FONT face=Arial>
  <DIV>CW is the only mode. PSK is useless on LF/MF/HF&nbsp;under noisy condx 
  and especially in QRN.&nbsp;The phase&nbsp;gets totally distorted and&nbsp;the 
  information at the RX end lost. PSK has been tried in the past by some 
  commercial operators and it never was a success except at VHF/UHF and beyond. 
  </DIV>
  <DIV>For amateur radio purposes a couple of good CW operators is all that is 
  required to exchange the necessary information between stations in an 
  economical bandwidth. Use data modes if you have a large volume of traffic to 
  shift.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>de G3KEV</DIV>
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Last night I saw the best reception of VO1NA since 8th of November.
Copied the QRSS30 signal 0200-0630z.

Screenshots: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm

 

 Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
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James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear Uwe, LF Group,
>
> The author is Douglas Self, quite well known for his audio PA designs in
> "Electronics Wold" magazine here in the UK. This figure seems to come from
> http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/dipa/dipa.htm#3 - near the bottom of
> the page.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
Dear Jim,

what a coincidence you knew the answer!
I studied the text "Distortion In Power Amplifiers" some years ago and copied 
the last diagram and nothing else.

thanks, Jim

best regards

Uwe/dj8wx



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Hello Jim and group,

Thanks for the "Variable PSK" thoughts - will take some more time to
thing about them again.
We (that's Markus DF6NM and myself) came to similar conclusions that ...
- with an optimum-shaped "slow" phase transition you end up at MSK
- if one doesn't attempt to write the "ultimate (matched) decoder" for
MSK, it isn't sooo tough (but..)
- some clever ideas for synchronisation at very low symbol rates must be
implemented
(one of them being simply to synchronize it "manually" looking at a
radio-controlled clock).

As I see it, a fully automated digital mode which does "everything"
itself is not favourable compared to CW (oh but please don't let us
start debates on this again), and even QRSS / DFCW and other "visual"
modes have their charm - the operator's brain wants to be involved in
the decoding process.. but that's just a personal opinion.

As Brian wrote..

> So, in the absence of a narrow-band medium-speed keyboard 
mode that can be transmitted through a non-linear amplifier,
is it time to review how we make best use of our 2.1 kHz ??
<

Help may(!) be on the way, most likely a slow variant of G3PLX's PSK31 
in QPSK mode (which is already possible to send and decode), turned into 
MSK "somehow" to remove the need for a linear transmitter. This may be 
achieved by delaying the signal in the quadrature phase branch (of the 
modulator and demodulator) for a half symbol time, and shaping the 
pulses before the modulator. This way there will be no more 180° phase 
transitions in the modulated audio signal, only 90° phase changes, and 
the amplitude will be constant by means of the data pulse shaping.

I have no idea  if, when, and how  this will be implemented yet, it all 
depends...

Greetings,
Wolf DL4YHF .




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Hi Markus, I did not comment on this at the time. Yes Joe is about 1000km
nearer to us than CFH. That could make a considerable difference to the
signal received at this point in the "recovery". The GC path is not very
different and the signal from CFH almost passes over Joe on its way to
western Europe.

See last night.... Hartmut has good signals from Joe and I who am quite a
bit closer could barely detect traces in the noise. Under flat conditions
Joe usually defeats the noise and fully decodable. I had a very good level
from CFH a few nights ago and then signals were down by nearly 20dB the next
night or two. Conditions are very changable on long paths, we keep getting a
top-up to the D-layer from these small geomag storms. At least it keeps it
interesting !

I keep meaning to try plotting Brian's and my own logs of CFH on the same
graph pane. There are often quite big differences in the timing of the peaks
of signal.

73 de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: <MarkusVester@aol.com>
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Subject: LF: VO1NA and CFH, Nov 29th


> Hello LF group,
>
>  Joe was also visible in South Germany, but only between 6:00 and 6:30.
Interestingly, the SNR on my CFH plot had already dropped from greater 50 dB
to below 30 dB at that time (see http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/plot.gif).
Could this lack of correlation be attributed to the different locations of
CFH vs. VO1NA?
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
>
>



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian G3YKB" <g3ykb@onetel.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Linear modes


> Hi All
>
> Sorry if this lengthy message is a bit controversial but I
> feel I ought to comment on some of Mal's statements:
>
>
> >Normal RTTY would not be acceptable on LF this has
> >been discussed many times before.
>
> As a newcomer to the band (only 18 months of listening and
> reading the Reflector) I guess I have missed all the
> discussions re LF RTTY. However, what I can contribute is the
> (perhaps obvious) observation that the band seems to be
> extremely underused - was it always like this? Even at "peak"
> times I have not seen any more than 300 Hz of the 2100 Hz in
> use.
>
> >I would suggest that those interested in LF should
> >learn CW. This mode is more likely to attract new
> >users on LF.
>
> I know of two new LF operators who don't want to use CW and I
> suspect there are a LOT more who would be interested if there
> was an alternative to learning morse. Remember that in the
> past 18 months, many thousands of "code-free" amateurs across
> Europe have been given access to LF & HF. The fact that they
> did not learn morse to give them access to all the HF bands
> indicates to me that CW would be a DETERRENT rather than an
> attraction!

>
> >Data modes are useful if there is a large volume
> >of traffic to move between stations.
>
> Agreed - things like describing station equipment, exchanging
> ideas and experiences....
>
> >The average radio amateur only exchanges Name,
> >QTH, and QSA/QRK
>
> I guess I'm not average! I prefer a longer conversation. I
> would venture to say that LF operators are FAR from average.
> LF is one of the few bands where you can be fairly sure that
> the chap (or chappess) at the other end has had to assemble
> much of his equipment and aerials rather than just write a
> cheque.
>
> So, in the absence of a narrow-band medium-speed keyboard

Most cannot use a keyboard and just fumble along, CW would be the easiest
option

> mode that can be transmitted through a non-linear amplifier,
> is it time to review how we make best use of our 2.1 kHz ??
>
> Regards
>
> Brian G3YKB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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On 01/12/2004 at 10:25 hamilton mal wrote:

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>Most cannot use a keyboard and just fumble along, CW would be the easiest
>option

[ ... ]

It took me a year to learn CW to the test speed (12 words per minute).  It took me less than a week to learn to type at a useful speed. 

73 G3PAI




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> Most cannot use a keyboard and just fumble along, CW would be the easiest
> option

I agree. CW is clearly the best choice for word processing and it is
ideal for writing computer programs. Who needs a keyboard these days?

73
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> By the way, your for sale notice dosn't say how much for the keyboard.

Well, the picture was taken before I wrote the final line of the ad'.
It is really amazing that the CW message survived the aggressive jpeg
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<DIV>Johan</DIV>
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<DIV>Many years ago&nbsp;! watched the first production run of a professional 
audio amplifier following the change from handwired assembly to pcb. As the 
"reject for rework" units piled up on the test bench an older and wiser techie 
looked at the boss and&nbsp;said "QED". "What?" said the boss. "QED mate, 
Quality Eats the Dust !"</DIV>
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> "What?" said the boss. "QED mate,  Quality Eats the Dust !"

I've never heard it before. I was thinking about "quod erat demonstrandum"
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/QED.html

I will add "Quality Eats the Dust" to my list of funny TLAs where the
"Q section" already has a number of funny things like QRP =
"Quality Replaces Power" :)

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Dear LF Group,

Looking at the overnight screen captures here, it appears WD2XGJ was visible
here also, between about 0400 and 0430 - it is the continuous line near the
top of the image in the attachment. The system was set to capture QRSS30;
for various reasons, the frequency scale reads about 0.25Hz low. VO1NA is
just barely visible towards the bottom of the signal - Joes's signal as
usual picked up around dawn to an "O" copy for a while around 0700.
Otherwise, conditions seemed quite noisy. The previous two nights yielded
only faint traces of signal from VO1NA.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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> WD2XGJ Screenshot: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm...


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Hi Jim, that is reassuring as that is precisly what I saw on my capture. I
spotted the line on the 0200z capture screen and wondered what it was
initially but confirmed it with Warren, and Hartmut's plots. It Is strange
that the longer path was giving the better signal. This is common when the
conditions have not quite got back to normal and there seem to be lots of
multipath, favouring some routes and not others. ....and that is Warren's
"QRP" rig !!
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Re: WD2XGJ into Germany


> Dear LF Group,
>
> Looking at the overnight screen captures here, it appears WD2XGJ was
visible
> here also, between about 0400 and 0430 - it is the continuous line near
the
> top of the image in the attachment. The system was set to capture QRSS30;
> for various reasons, the frequency scale reads about 0.25Hz low. VO1NA is
> just barely visible towards the bottom of the signal - Joes's signal as
> usual picked up around dawn to an "O" copy for a while around 0700.
> Otherwise, conditions seemed quite noisy. The previous two nights yielded
> only faint traces of signal from VO1NA.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hartmut Wolff <wolff.h@t-online.de>
> To: rsgb_lf_group @ blacksheep . org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>;
> <lowfer@lwca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:24 AM
> Subject: LF: WD2XGJ into Germany
>
>
> > WD2XGJ Screenshot: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm...
>
>



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I'll be running from now until 0600Z and then from 070Z until sunrise.

QRSS30 on 137.573

Steve / VE7SL




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...that should read "from now until 0600Z and then from 0700Z until sunrise"
(off for 1 hour to listen)

>I'll be running from now until 0600Z and then from 070Z until sunrise.

> QRSS30 on 137.573






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XDW s on 137,7752 137,7756 dfcw80 or so - just making a guest appearance off 
and on on Brians ct1drps' grab-a-lot at 0200-0300z

Warrens going to be massive in Eu with that 10Kw amp on the way....

Cheers
Laurence wd2xdw

>From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
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>Alan,
>
> > Hi all. Is anyone on 137.75??
>
>Laurence.
>
>
>John A.
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 Laurence,
 some traces visible now 0300z.

 73
 Hartmut

> XDW s on 137,7752 137,7756 dfcw80 or so - just making a guest appearance off 
> and on on Brians ct1drps' grab-a-lot at 0200-0300z

> Warrens going to be massive in Eu with that 10Kw amp on the way....

> Cheers
> Laurence wd2xdw

>>From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
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>>
>>Alan,
>>
>> > Hi all. Is anyone on 137.75??
>>
>>Laurence.
>>
>>
>>John A.
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Chris

Heard you last night very strong here. Busy trying to get in 
this thing while you were sending.  73 petefmt


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Ah um...radio Warren...Boston's best...lighting up lights across the 
nation...changing weather patterns...providing free tanning sessions to 
his neighbors...keeping those pine trees warm all winter... :-D

Mike

Laurence KL1X wrote:

> snipped...
>
> Warrens going to be massive in Eu with that 10Kw amp on the way....
>
> Cheers
> Laurence wd2xdw
>
>> From: "John Andrews" <>
>> Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org
>> To: <lowfer@lwca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [LW] Anyone on 137.775 ??
>> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:06:47 -0000
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> > Hi all. Is anyone on 137.75??
>>
>> Laurence.
>>
>>
>> John A.
>



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On Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:21 PM, Johan Bodin [SMTP:jbodin@tele2.se] 
wrote:
> > Most cannot use a keyboard and just fumble along, CW would be the easiest
> > option
>
> I agree. CW is clearly the best choice for word processing and it is
> ideal for writing computer programs. Who needs a keyboard these days?
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM << File: cw4ever.jpg >>

Yes, and telling the time, having just built a CW clock using a PIC and not 
much else - it sends the time in CW every minute.

Andy  G4JNT




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Hello Jim and the group,

After carefully reading Jim's article, and collecting some more material 
about MSK, GMSK, etc,  I came to the conclusion that there is a bit more 
behind (G)MSK than just BPSK with additional quadrature component (90°) 
to fill the gap.

Jim wrote:
 > I beleive Wolf has used a type of PSK where the phase of the carrier 
is varied linearly from 0 to pi radians,
 > or pi to 0 radians, for a 0 to 1 or 1 to 0 bit transition.
Yes that's true, but the transition did not use 100% of the symbol time 
(but 10..20%) to stay compatible with the "PSK31" standard decoders. So 
this was not (yet) comparable to MSK.

I have modified G3PLX's QPSK-mode into Offset-QPSK by delaying the 
Q-component in the modulator by a half symbol time, and in the 
I-component of the demodulator to compensate this. By doing so, there 
are no more 180°-phase transitions in the signal any longer (only +/- 
90°), so the amplitude only drops by 3dB. Still not perfectly suited for 
class C amplifiers, but the requirements for a "linear" TX are not as 
tough as for AM-shaped QPSK or BPSK. No tests done with any of the 
"Novel" (G)MSK decoders yet, but at least I am beginning to understand 
what the tricky parts are.

After all this high-tech stuff, I will be active on 136kHz using the 
good old morse code 136kHz on saturday and sunday, but will look out for 
other signals as well ;-)

Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF.




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I will be running all night (unless it gets very windy) 0130Z - 1530Z on
137.573 QRSS30 with reduced dash/dot ratio (dashes are only 60 sec long
instead of 90).

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The beacon will be temporarily off from 0300Z-0400Z to attempt a crossband
QSO at QRSS10.



> I will be running all night (unless it gets very windy) 0130Z - 1530Z on
> 137.573 QRSS30 with reduced dash/dot ratio (dashes are only 60 sec long
> instead of 90).
>
> Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
> [L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
> [2200m Band] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors]
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Back to beacon mode QRS30 now.


I just completed a fine crossband QSO with K0MVJ in Duluth, MN (approx 1400
miles). He was on 80m CW  and listening on LF with an 8' loop pointed this
way.

We started at QRSS10 and he called and asked me to go to QRSS3 so we started
again. He called again requesting back to QRSS10 after which there was no
further communications between us on 80m until the end.


(VE7SL)  K0MVJ VE7SL K (LF)

(K0MVJ) OOO OOO (80m CW)

(VE7SL) RRR 5NN 5NN K  (LF)

(K0MVJ) RRR RRR (80m CW)

(VE7SL) 73 TU (LF)

One down....49 to go!

Steve / VE7SL

PS.....tnx for the nice screen grab Bryce!



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<DIV><BR>I just completed a fine crossband QSO with K0MVJ in Duluth, MN (approx 
1400<BR>miles). He was on 80m CW&nbsp; and listening on LF with an 8' loop 
pointed this<BR>way.<BR><BR>We started at QRSS10 and he called and asked me to 
go to QRSS3 so we started<BR>again. He called again requesting back to QRSS10 
after which there was no<BR>further communications between us on 80m until the 
end.<BR><BR><BR>One down....49 to go!<BR><BR>Steve / VE7SL</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Well done Steve.&nbsp;&nbsp; Really good &nbsp;to see some QSOs going in 
the log.</DIV>
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<DIV>Good luck with the other 49 (!)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>David&nbsp;&nbsp; G0MRF<BR></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT 
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>The 
crossband route seems to be the only option until we all get the band on this 
side of the pond. With the nearest VE's (other than VE7TIL)&nbsp;so far away, 
the pickings are&nbsp;pretty slim! It kind of reminds me of the&nbsp;old 
crossband work between the U.S. on 50MHz and the G's on 10m that I read about as 
a kid. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><FONT 
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>73 / Steve 
....just kidding about the W.A.S.(!)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A 
href="http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm">http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm</A><BR>[L.F. 
Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]<BR>[2200m Band] 
[NDB DX] [Boatanchors]<BR></DIV>
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  <DIV>Well done Steve.&nbsp;&nbsp; Really good &nbsp;to see some QSOs going in 
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  <DIV>Good luck with the other 49 (!)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73</DIV>
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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

-----Original Message-----


...Jim wrote:
>> I beleive Wolf has used a type of PSK where the phase of the carrier 
>is varied linearly from 0 to pi radians,
>> or pi to 0 radians, for a 0 to 1 or 1 to 0 bit transition.
>Yes that's true, but the transition did not use 100% of the symbol time 
>(but 10..20%) to stay compatible with the "PSK31" standard decoders. So 
>this was not (yet) comparable to MSK.

OK, I did not realise that - I guess the effect would be to reduce the
amount of power in the quadrature component significantly, but also to
increase the amplitudes of the high-order sidebands significantly. But I am
pretty sure the tests I did a couple of years ago did use a phase transition
period of 100% of the bit period - this seemed to work quite happily with
the "coherent" BPSK decoder. I don't see any obvious reason why the extra
quadrature component in the variable-PSK signal should prevent the standard
PSK31 demodulator from working with "transition period = bit period", but
then I don't know a lot about how the demodulator actually does work, so I
could well be wrong! 

>I have modified G3PLX's QPSK-mode into Offset-QPSK by delaying the 
>Q-component in the modulator by a half symbol time, and in the 
>I-component of the demodulator to compensate this. By doing so, there 
>are no more 180°-phase transitions in the signal any longer (only +/- 
>90°), so the amplitude only drops by 3dB. Still not perfectly suited for 
>class C amplifiers, but the requirements for a "linear" TX are not as 
>tough as for AM-shaped QPSK or BPSK. No tests done with any of the 
>"Novel" (G)MSK decoders yet, but at least I am beginning to understand 
>what the tricky parts are.

Will be interested to see what you come up with. BTW, thanks for the CW QSO
earlier today!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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The weekend actually started on Wednesday when I tidied 
up the feedpoint of my antenna to reduce the coupling to 
ground and nearby walls. Slightly increased the current and 
made the patio look better!. Was rewarded by a CW QSO 
with OH1TN at 1783km, my second with him.

Conditions around Europe seemed good all weekend with 
CFH audible much of the time. QRSS30 seen from VO1NA 
at dawn, but not strong.

Lots of activity: Worked F6BWO and DF0WD on CW. On 
QRSS3 worked OK2BVG and a new station to me G3WCB 
whose 5 watt Tx was just audible.
Heard CW from DK7SU, SM6BHZ (who did not hear me or 
G3AQC calling), G3YXM, G3XIZ, DL3FDO, G3OLB and 
M0BMU.

Also saw some spectacular Hell from DF0WD (pic on my 
web site).

Mike, G3XDV
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk




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Added some new screenshots: VO1NA, WD2XGJ, DF0WD,DK1IS and G3XDV
captured on the 4th and 5th of December to my website:

            http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff                           mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
Locator:JO52ho
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From: YO2IS
  Hello from KN05ps, pleased to read about the last weekend
 activity. DX-clusters are always very helpfull. Enclosed a
 sample of whats going on at HA6DX, which has a VLF RX online.

  73 & DX, Szigy.

.........................sample .................................

*** connected to HA6DX
Hello Szigy, this is HA6DX in Balasagyarmat, HUNGARY
running DXSpider V1.51 build 57.263
*****************************************************************************
 telnet dx.hu 9000         http://www.dx.hu       ( need JAVA 2.0 )
 DXSpider home page : www.dxcluster.org
 Can you help: ? sh, ? set,
 paging off: set/page 0, connected clusters: links
 If you have any questions, please write mail to sysop: ha6oi@dx.hu '73  Zoli
*****************************************************************************
       Online 137.7 kc receiver camera on the WEB: http://www.dx.hu
*****************************************************************************
Cluster: 26 nodes, 8 local / 134 total users  Max users 294  Uptime 22 11:33
YO2IS de HA6DX  6-Dec-2004 0822Z >

To LOCAL de HA6DX (0830Z): CLUSTER: HA6DX JN98PB at  6-Dec-2004 0830Z

   136.6  DL4YHF       5-Dec-2004 1335Z  (0WD).. TU, hr JO42FD 80mw E <DF0WD>
   137.7  DF0WD        5-Dec-2004 1328Z  HELL                         <DL6SN>
   136.0  DF0WD        5-Dec-2004 1316Z  QRSS 3 dito 73 hr Jo62jv 73  <DG0RG>
   137.7  DF0WD        5-Dec-2004 1300Z  QRSS 3 "TEST DE DF0WD" HI... <DG0RG>
   136.3  DL3FDO       5-Dec-2004 1141Z  cq                           <DL6SN>
   137.1  G3OLB        5-Dec-2004 1138Z  in qso M0BMU both R 5 in jo4 <DF0WD>
   136.6  DK8ND        5-Dec-2004 1030Z  cq                           <DL6SN>
   137.7  OK2BVG       5-Dec-2004 0957Z  cq DFCW                      <DL6SN>
   136.6  DK7SU        5-Dec-2004 0920Z  cq                           <DL6SN>
   136.0  DF6NM        4-Dec-2004 1118Z  members.aol.com/df6nm/grabbe <DF0WD>

YO2IS de HA6DX  6-Dec-2004 0831Z >



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Most RTTY programs have a computere generated CW facility also.
 Morse-challenged operators  could possibly use such ?

Bryan G3GVB

Quoting hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Talbot" <actalbot@southsurf.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Linear modes
> 
> 
> > An LF 'RTTY type waveform' already exists -  Jason !   'Normal' RTTY, even
> > at the narrowest shift / baud rate for any of the standard software, would
> > be far to wide to be sociable on LF.
> 
> Normal RTTY would not be acceptable on LF this has been discussed many times
> before.
> Everyone seems to be avoiding the obvious choice ie NORMAL CW.
> The 500 khz band if it becomes available to radio amateurs has traditionally
> been a CW band.
> I would suggest that those interested in LF should learn CW. This mode is
> more likely to attract new users on LF.
> Data modes are useful if there is a large volume of traffic to move between
> stations. The average radio amateur only exchanges Name, QTH, and QSA/QRK
> and CW is ideal for this purpose and no complicated modems are required.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
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> 
> >
> > Andy  G4JNT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian G3YKB" <g3ykb@onetel.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Linear modes
> >
> >
> > >
> > > G3XDV writes:
> > >
> > > >My question about linear amplifiers sparked some useful
> > > >dialogue about eliminating the need for linears.
> > >
> > > >If a new data mode is to be developed, it seems to me that
> > > >two modes are needed. One for 'local' working in a CW
> > > >bandwidth for those who do not wish to learn CW. The
> > > >other in a much narrower bandwidth - the limiting factor
> > > >being Loran lines - for intercontinental working.
> > >
> > > As so few stations have linear power amplifiers, I wonder if
> > > "keyboard activity" (particularly for "local ragchews") could
> > > be encouraged by using an "old" mode such as fsk(rtty?) ?
> > > Many of us have the necessary software (some may still have
> > > the hardware!!).
> > >
> > > Brian G3YKB
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Dear LF Group,

I have been away from a computer for the past week, monitoring the
beacon.  It was audible and readable at all times up to 400 km
away with a 60 cm loop/preamp.

I offer my thanks to all who have forwarded signal reports
over the past week.  I hope to have them tabulated on the
web page soon.

With all the cold WX lately (-10 deg C) it seems my aerial current
has increased by about 10 percent.  It seems the frozen ground
has reduced losses.

73
Joe



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wd2xdw will be offair from 1352z Wed until advised.
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Added some TA captures from last night to my webpage:

            http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff                           mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
Locator:JO52ho
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I'm seeing a very reduced signal from CFH tonight, assuming that's the
carrier on 136.956 kHz. Maybe after a month of key-down, something finally
melted!

John Andrews, W1TAG




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Hi John, yes it could well be QRP if you see a big reduction as well, I
wondered whether it was off earlier but I could just see a rock steady line
on the usual frequency. I did start the logger in case it was in a fade, so
the plot will be interesting tomorrow morning (must just have a quick look
at the green trace on Brian's real-time plot. There is a lot of noise here
tonight.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> I'm seeing a very reduced signal from CFH tonight, assuming that's the
> carrier on 136.956 kHz. Maybe after a month of key-down, something finally
> melted!
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
>
>



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Alan, et al:

The CFH level is about 20 dB below a measurement taken a couple of weeks
ago.

John Andrews




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Greetings everyone,

Amazingly silent on the reflector - everyone gone christmas shopping ?

Anyone interested in a crossband QSO 144 MHz / 136 kHz - there are 
fabulous tropospheric conditions all over EU at the moment (temperature 
inversion forming a "ducting" layer), so VHF may work as well as LF this 
weekend. Worked a couple of G's, GW's and GM's yesterday on 145 MHz in 
FM on their "local chat frequency", some of them using just a few watts 
and a groundplane antenna. Unfortunately none of them could receive or 
transmit on LF ;-)

Seasons greetings,

Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD .


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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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<DIV>Hello.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'm trying to produce a small PSK31 beacon on a PIC chip using one port 
(and an XOR gate) to initiate phase change, and others to control the mark space 
ratio for driving a class D amplifier for the amplitude change.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Question:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>With the currently available soundcard&nbsp;decoders, what frequency errors 
are permissable in the PSK31 waveform which will still decode successfully? 
Normally 32ms but what tolerance is OK?</DIV>
<DIV>Do the decoders lock, and then suddenly lose all decoding ability if the 
frequency is too far off, or do they just slowly increase their bit error rate 
with frequency error?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>73</DIV>
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<DIV>As&nbsp;PSK31 uses differential coding, it is the phase change over the 
32ms signalling period due to freqeuncy error that is important.&nbsp; If for 
BPSK, we need to maintain the phase to less than 90 degrees to remove the 
ambiguity, so 90/360 / 32ms = 7.8Hz freq error permissible.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>For noisy signals, the determination of correct phase becomes worse, so 
error rate will progressively worsen with tuning error.</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Frequency errors on 
  PSK31</DIV>
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  <DIV>Hello.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I'm trying to produce a small PSK31 beacon on a PIC chip using one port 
  (and an XOR gate) to initiate phase change, and others to control the mark 
  space ratio for driving a class D amplifier for the amplitude change.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Question:</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>With the currently available soundcard&nbsp;decoders, what frequency 
  errors are permissable in the PSK31 waveform which will still decode 
  successfully? Normally 32ms but what tolerance is OK?</DIV>
  <DIV>Do the decoders lock, and then suddenly lose all decoding ability if the 
  frequency is too far off, or do they just slowly increase their bit error rate 
  with frequency error?</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73</DIV>
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  <DIV>David</DIV></FONT>
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Jeff, F6BWO,
did not find your mail-adress in Callsign-Server, so have to take this way.
Just to let you know, the qrg was fairly free when I called cq. But that did
not lasted  long when databursts of DCF42 I guess hit me again. So copy was
rather difficult. Try to make some progress by use of noise canceller. In
clear spots q5 at -80 dBu with 100 Hz BW.
So 73 es tu de Peter, dj9dw.




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Hi Jim, well it goes with the CFH log. CFH hit "record levels" with me
around 0600 this morning..( see plot on my report pages)..favourable
multipath kicked the signal up about 12 dB They seem to have cleared the
insulators from the problems late last week when it was seriously down in
strength even with John.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Dear LF Group,

A reduction in the rather high level of QRN we have been experiencing lately
allowed quite good capture of VO1NA and WD2XGJ yesterday (Saturday) morning
around 0600 - 0700 - see attachment

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi LF group,<BR>
<BR>
 today I saw traces of what must be WD2XGJ for the first time. This signal was detectable on 137779.34 from about 5:30 UT, with peak SNR just before fadeout at 7:00. Joe's beacon VO1NA was visible between 5:00 and 5:30, but not on any of the other hours.<BR>
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Markus,
saw WD2XGJ on 137779.33 this morning.
Screenshot:
           http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm

73

Hartmut
> Hi LF group,

>  today I saw traces of what must be WD2XGJ for the first time. This signal 
> was detectable on 137779.34 from about 5:30 UT, with peak SNR just before 
> fadeout at 7:00. Joe's beacon VO1NA was visible between 5:00 and 5:30, but not on 
> any of the other hours.

> Best wishes

> Markus,
> DF6NM in JN59NK



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Hello David and group,

In all PSK31 demodulators / decoders I know, the bit error rate 
increases gently with increasing frequency and/or symbol rate error.

Talking about "digimode" beacons... Do you use a DDS for the frequency 
generation, and -if so- does the DDS have TWO frequency registers which 
can be toggled via control pin (some chips have this option) ? If so, it 
would be great to have a low-symbol-rate MSK test signal on air... 
choice of symbol rate and codeset would be up to you. For simplicity, 
one could start with Peter's VARICODE without convolution. If you are 
interested in MSK, I can send more information to you (too early to put 
everything online yet).

When comparing PSK31 and PSK08 recently, the PSK08 signal gave perfect 
copy even when it was not audible with 100-Hz audio bandwidth, where 
PSK31 only gave faint traces on the spectrogram. So simply dividing all 
clock by 4 in your PIC firmware may be worth considering. A suitable 
decoder for PSK08 is available in SpecLab since a few years, it has been 
slightly optimized for lower symbol rates recently with an optimized set 
of coefficients in the FIR filters (see 
http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html ) . Of course, the 
frequency error tolerance in PSK08 is only 1/4th of the PSK31 value, 
something to be aware of.

Best regards,
73 Wolf DL4YHF (back to DF0WD now, hpe cul).




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear LF Group,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>last saturday morning we had the first hoar-frost 
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diameter from normally 1 mm to 4 or 5 mm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Switching on the TX with te usual settings the 
antenna current had decreased from the normally 4.7 A (at frost) to 2.75 A! The 
antenna capacity remained nearly unaffected (about 660 pF), but tuning the 
loading coil showed a much broader maximum than without hoar-frost.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some calculations showed the following values for 
the total loss resistance of the antenna system:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-&nbsp; no frost, normal conditions:&nbsp; R = 24 
Ohms</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-&nbsp; frost:&nbsp; R = 18 Ohms</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-&nbsp; hoar-frost:&nbsp; R = 31 Ohms</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>According to some other measurements and 
observations these values should be rather realistic. The difference between 
no-frost and frost is well known and should mainly&nbsp;arise from the reduced 
losses in the greens - but where&nbsp;do the additional losses at hoar-frost 
come from? Could the hoar-frost be a lossy dielectric? There were neither visual 
corona effects nor seemed the hoar-frost be melted by the antenna current. 
Sunday morning it disappeared on itself and the antenna current rose again to 
the usual 4.7 A at -3 degree centigrade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone with a good idea?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom, DK1IS</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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At 02:02 PM 12/12/2004 +0100, WOLF wrote:
[..]
>Talking about "digimode" beacons... Do you use a DDS for the frequency 
>generation, and -if so- does the DDS have TWO frequency registers which 
>can be toggled via control pin (some chips have this option) ? If so, it 
>would be great to have a low-symbol-rate MSK test signal on air... 

Another way to do this is to use a linear Tx and an audio beacon message
generated by a sound card.

I just put up on my website a simple-minded program which lets you type in
a short message to be sent out as MSK.  The program can generate 16-bit
audio files (preferably at 8200 or 8000 samples per second) in either the
usual format I use around here (.AUD), or the more standard .WAV format.
These files can be looped using COOL EDIT or some other program.  When
played back in loop mode, the resulting MSK waveform is phase-continuous.

I have MSK sorta working now in AFRICAM 5.0 - still need to clean up a few
details.  Although it works with GPS-disciplined bit and frame sync, I have
to add a way to track the bit edges without GPS.  The already existing frame
sync in AFRICAM works well with MSK because I basically use ET1 coding
(16-bit frames) in the non-differential PSKL format.  I'll put AFRICAM 5.0
up on my website after we have finished testing it.  AFRICAM has an output
(RTS) pin which can be used to generate MSK messages if you have one of
those DDS synthesizers with two frequency registers.  You can also use the
AD9851 (only 1 phase increment register but it has a separate input reg)
if you pre-load the next frequency (anticipating that the next frequency
to be generated will be the "other" MSK frequency, not the one that is
currently being transmitted) - then carefully synchronize the loading of
the input register into the phase increment register once RTS toggles.
At low clock rates, you have tons of time to do it cleanly - one way is
to generate the rising edge needed (FQ_UP) on a *falling* edge of SYSCLK,
then clear it on the next rising edge of SYSCLK.

To be compatible with AFRICAM, transmit the higher of the two MSK frequencies
when RTS is asserted (positive), the lower signal otherwise.

The RTS output from AFRICAM is not perfectly synchronized with the clock
on your DDS board, so the MSK signal won't be suitable for coherent
demodulation, but AFRICAM will be able to decode it as FSK.  Performance
not great, but bandwidth much less than BPSK.  I'll see about doing a
coherent demodulation of MSK in a later version.
 
You can get the MSKGEN program from my website at:

http://www.magma.ca/~ve2iq/bbs.htm

Unzip it and see the READ.MSK file for more info.

Bill VE2IQ



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WD2XES will be running on 137.7775 kHz with DFCW60 at 250 watts tonight.
This is the first run on "Loop II," which turned out to be 75 feet high and
166 feet long. Initial calculations show an 8-9 dB improvement over the
previous antenna, and it should be about on a par with Warren's (WD2XGJ)
loop. Many thanks to Bill Ashlock and his bow for launching the thing.

Details and pictures will be on the web site later this week. All reports
are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com




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XDW 137,7752/6 period 5 secs traingular and 137,7756 straught carrier DFCW90 
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at the moment.

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On 12 Dec 2004 at 16:33, Bill de Carle wrote:

> Another way to do this is to use a linear Tx and an audio beacon
> message generated by a sound card.

This discussion has come full circle since I asked for 
designs for linear transmitters for data modes.

It seems to me that there is still a case for a 'simple' linear 
Tx to allow newcomers to get on the band without the 
perceived  'barrier' of learning Morse. Of course, for working 
DX the penalty of lower efficiency may be a problem, but 
there are plenty of LF operators who have no interest in DX.

One person mentioned the BK Electronics audio amps, 
though as I recall he had not checked its linearity. These 
could be a cheap way of generating 100W or so, but I dread 
to think of the linearity of an amp operated well outside its 
design frequency.

And in case the Thought Police want to have a go, I love 
Morse and also working DX. It's just that many others do 
not share this preference.

Mike, G3XDV
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk



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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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over the 32ms signalling period due to freqeuncy error that is important.&nbsp;
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Hi Tom,<br><br>
few weeks ago the item of wet wood in/near a loading coil was discussed
and it seemed to increase the losses. But these would be &quot;magnetic
loss&quot; while at the antenna it is the dielectric loss that
counts.<br>
For the data you give it can conclude that the loss increased by 13 Ohm
(from 18 to 31 Ohm), so if you assume that this extra 13 Ohm is caused by
the ice on the antenna wire this would mean that the ice dissipates about
100 Watt. Maybe enough to melt the ice in QRSS10000 mode ;-)<br><br>
73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD<br><br>
At 19:18 12/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Dear LF
Group,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
last saturday morning we had the first hoar-frost this year at -6 degree
centigrade. All the trees and bushes in the backyard looked beautiful and
so did my 13-m-Marconi-antenna. Feeder and 33-m 4-wire-topload were
coated by fragile white needle crystals rising the wire diameter from
normally 1 mm to 4 or 5 mm.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Switching on the TX with te usual settings the antenna current had
decreased from the normally 4.7 A (at frost) to 2.75 A! The antenna
capacity remained nearly unaffected (about 660 pF), but tuning the
loading coil showed a much broader maximum than without hoar-frost.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Some calculations showed the following values for the total loss
resistance of the antenna system:<br>
&nbsp;<br>
-&nbsp; no frost, normal conditions:&nbsp; R = 24 Ohms<br>
-&nbsp; frost:&nbsp; R = 18 Ohms<br>
-&nbsp; hoar-frost:&nbsp; R = 31 Ohms<br>
&nbsp;<br>
According to some other measurements and observations these values should
be rather realistic. The difference between no-frost and frost is well
known and should mainly arise from the reduced losses in the greens - but
where do the additional losses at hoar-frost come from? Could the
hoar-frost be a lossy dielectric? There were neither visual corona
effects nor seemed the hoar-frost be melted by the antenna current.
Sunday morning it disappeared on itself and the antenna current rose
again to the usual 4.7 A at -3 degree centigrade.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Anyone with a good idea?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
73,<br>
Tom, DK1IS</font></blockquote></html>

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Tom<br><br>
have a look at this :
<a href="http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/other/inductor/papers/hfdeice.pdf" eudora="autourl">http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/other/inductor/papers/hfdeice.pdf</a><br><br>
It's a paper named &quot;Using Dielectric Losses to De-Ice Power
Transmission Lines with 100 kHz High-Voltage Excitation&quot;<br><br>
73, Rik<br><br>
At 19:18 12/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Dear LF
Group,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
last saturday morning we had the first hoar-frost this year at -6 degree
centigrade. All the trees and bushes in the backyard looked beautiful and
so did my 13-m-Marconi-antenna. Feeder and 33-m 4-wire-topload were
coated by fragile white needle crystals rising the wire diameter from
normally 1 mm to 4 or 5 mm.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Switching on the TX with te usual settings the antenna current had
decreased from the normally 4.7 A (at frost) to 2.75 A! The antenna
capacity remained nearly unaffected (about 660 pF), but tuning the
loading coil showed a much broader maximum than without hoar-frost.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Some calculations showed the following values for the total loss
resistance of the antenna system:<br>
&nbsp;<br>
-&nbsp; no frost, normal conditions:&nbsp; R = 24 Ohms<br>
-&nbsp; frost:&nbsp; R = 18 Ohms<br>
-&nbsp; hoar-frost:&nbsp; R = 31 Ohms<br>
&nbsp;<br>
According to some other measurements and observations these values should
be rather realistic. The difference between no-frost and frost is well
known and should mainly arise from the reduced losses in the greens - but
where do the additional losses at hoar-frost come from? Could the
hoar-frost be a lossy dielectric? There were neither visual corona
effects nor seemed the hoar-frost be melted by the antenna current.
Sunday morning it disappeared on itself and the antenna current rose
again to the usual 4.7 A at -3 degree centigrade.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Anyone with a good idea?<br>
&nbsp;<br>
73,<br>
Tom, DK1IS</font></blockquote></html>

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I don't know - and guess it is very dependent on the quality of the 
demodulation software.  For example, what is the loop bandwidth of the bit 
recovery clock?
Some PSK31 demodulators seem to do a better job than others when fed with 
identical signals.

Andy


On Monday, December 13, 2004 11:14 AM, james moritz 
[SMTP:j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk] wrote:
> Dear Andy, Wolf, LF Group,
>
>
>
> But what effect does an error in the bit clock have, i.e. if the period of
> each bit is not exactly 32ms?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
> .As PSK31 uses differential coding, it is the phase change over the 32ms
> signalling period due to freqeuncy error that is important.  If for BPSK, we
> need to maintain the phase to less than 90 degrees to remove the ambiguity,
> so 90/360 / 32ms = 7.8Hz freq error permissible.
>
>
>
> For noisy signals, the determination of correct phase becomes worse, so
> error rate will progressively worsen with tuning error.
>
>
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
>
>
>
>
>  << File: ATT00000.htm >> 


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Four ways, I've already started negotiations.
Also wating for a $3M lottery win to come through , and $45 million from the 
estate of another businessman lost on Concorde.
Andy  G4JNT


On Monday, December 13, 2004 2:51 PM, Joe Craig [SMTP:jcraig@mun.ca] wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, John Andrews wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > >An unusual form of words - rather similar to an e-mail I received recently
> > from my new Nigerian business partners:<
> >
> > Wait a minute! I thought they were MY Nigerian business partners!
> >
>
> Oh Boy... Now I've got to split it three ways!  I might not have enough
> left to buy CFH off the Canadian Navy or NAA from the boys in Maine in
> my quest for a bigger 2200 m signal.
>
> Now I'll look into the 'New Maxwell Equations" instead.  Electron rotation
> (spin) was first proposed by Uhlenbeck and Goudschmidt almost a century
> ago.  Lets see... If we plug these new ones into the Shrodinger equation
> we'll get another wave equation that describes spectral line splitting
> and barrier penetration (tunnelling) by photons from spinning electrons??!
>
> Joe


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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004, John Andrews wrote:

> Jim,
>
> >An unusual form of words - rather similar to an e-mail I received recently
> from my new Nigerian business partners:<
>
> Wait a minute! I thought they were MY Nigerian business partners!
>

Oh Boy... Now I've got to split it three ways!  I might not have enough
left to buy CFH off the Canadian Navy or NAA from the boys in Maine in
my quest for a bigger 2200 m signal.

Now I'll look into the 'New Maxwell Equations" instead.  Electron rotation
(spin) was first proposed by Uhlenbeck and Goudschmidt almost a century
ago.  Lets see... If we plug these new ones into the Shrodinger equation
we'll get another wave equation that describes spectral line splitting
and barrier penetration (tunnelling) by photons from spinning electrons??!

Joe


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Hello Rik and group,

thanks for the link - most interesting, but let´s hope they will never 
come into practice with this idea (I´m rather sure they would not ;-) ). 
In their references I found "Physics of Ice" from Withworth/Petrenko; 
I´ll try to get it via our library to learn something about dielectric 
losses of ice and hoar-frost.

Tu es 73,
Tom, DK1IS

Rik Strobbe schrieb:

> Tom
>
> have a look at this : 
> http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/other/inductor/papers/hfdeice.pdf
>
> It's a paper named "Using Dielectric Losses to De-Ice Power 
> Transmission Lines with 100 kHz High-Voltage Excitation"
>
> 73, Rik




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Dear Johan, LF group,

Very interesting - I notice this kind of article often has numbers written
in both words and numerals, e.g.

...The six (6) equations presented in Figure 1 are a result of taking
Maxwell's first two equations...

An unusual form of words - rather similar to an e-mail I received recently
from my new Nigerian business partners:

...MY DEPARTMENT CAME ACROSS THE SUM OF TWELVE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED UNITED
STATES DOLLARS(US$12,500,000)ONLY BELONGING TO AN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESSMAN
WHO DIED...

Is there a connection? I think we should be told!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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This is fun:

http://www.eh-antenna.com/library/Theory%20of%20the%20EH%20and%20HZ%20Antenn
as.pdf

:-)

73
Johan SM6LKM





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Johan Bodin wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid003101c4e11a$fbded2e0$a22865d5@oemcomputer"
 type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">This is fun:

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eh-antenna.com/library/Theory%20of%20the%20EH%20and%20HZ%20Antennas.pdf">http://www.eh-antenna.com/library/Theory%20of%20the%20EH%20and%20HZ%20Antennas.pdf</a>
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I started reading that article, but when coming across the following
sentence :<br>
<br>
<b>"Since the length of a wave of this dynamic field is always equal
to infinity, any information changes in it <br>
occur instantly at any point in space where this field exists."</b><br>
<br>
my wife had to come to my rescue, as I was rolling on the floor
laughing so hard that it was impossible<br>
for me to recover the upright position..... and then all my sympathy
went to the poor Albert Einstein who<br>
was certainly revolving in his grave....<br>
<br>
Maybe this Dr. (?) <b>Vladimir Korobejnikov </b>was exposed for a
too long time to the Tchernobyl radiations during <br>
the accident that occurred there many years ago.... I hope in a not
too long time he will be a candidate for the Darwin<br>
award (look on Internet if you don't know what it is).<br>
<br>
73&nbsp; Alberto&nbsp; I2PHD<br>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT size=4>It looks like all 
the LF ops are are now on 160 metres. Worked OK1DN yesterday and DL2FDO a few 
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Quite a few stations active this weekend. I put out a few 
CQs on CW and QRSS3, but had no contacts. 

Stations heard/seen were:
CW: G3XIZ, DK1IS, G3YKB, M0BMU, DL9DL and DK7SU.
DFCW3: DK1US, DL2HRE.

CFH continued to be strong at dawn.

Mike, G3XDV
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<DIV>Hi all.</DIV>
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<DIV>Just a brief note for anyone who may wish to use the 1&nbsp; pulse per 
second output from a GPS receiver.</DIV>
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<DIV>RF Solutions appear to have something listed at £46 less antenna that has a 
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Very strong signal from VO1NA last night. Added a screenshot
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Greetings all,

Someone on this group must have bought all these GPS modules ;-)  ... 
the  "stock" at RFsolutions is down to zero now !?

Anyone in DL knows an alternative source for the GPSM001 or similar 
low-priced modules here ?

Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF


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Hi Wolf and other GPS experimentists,

I bought my GPS module  from Joop van der Velden in Holland.
Look at http://www.gpskit.nl/.
I am very satisfied with the unit. It has also a built-in 10 kHz phase  
locked output in addition to 1 PPS.

Regards
Matti OH2ZT




On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:44:07 +0100, Wolf DL4YHF <dl4yhf@freenet.de> wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> Someone on this group must have bought all these GPS modules ;-)  ...  
> the  "stock" at RFsolutions is down to zero now !?
>
> Anyone in DL knows an alternative source for the GPSM001 or similar  
> low-priced modules here ?
>
> Regards,
> Wolf DL4YHF
>



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Wolf DL4YHF <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
 href="mailto:dl4yhf@freenet.de">&lt;dl4yhf@freenet.de&gt;</a> wrote:
<br>
<br>
&gt; Greetings all,
<br>
<br>
&gt; Someone on this group must have bought all these GPS modules ;-) 
...  the  "stock" at RFsolutions is down to zero now !?
<br>
&gt; Anyone in DL knows an alternative source for the GPSM001 or
similar  low-priced modules here ?
<br>
<br>
Wolf and the group,<br>
  coincidentally, I have received today a GPS I have just bought on
eBay. The seller says he has a few hundreds<br>
of them to sell. It is the Jupiter/Conexant/Navman (don't know what the
current brand is) mod. <b>TU30-D160</b><br>
Look here :  <b><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/3t9g5">http://tinyurl.com/3t9g5</a><br>
<br>
</b>BTW, does anybody know where can I find a data sheet for this unit
? The Navman site has the data sheet of the<br>
unit that replaced it, but not that of this model. I am especially
interested in the specs of the jitter on the 1pps signal, <br>
and of course in the exact pinout of the connector (which, BTW, is
spaced in mm, not mils.... ).<br>
The seller has a meager fact sheet, far from a real data sheet.<br>
<br>
73  Alberto  I2PHD<br>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Rik, LF group,</FONT></DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be" 
  title=rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be>Rik Strobbe</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 13, 2004 11:34 
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  <DIV>Hi Tom,<BR><BR>few weeks ago the item of wet wood in/near a loading coil 
  was discussed and it seemed to increase the losses. But these would be 
  "magnetic loss" while at the antenna it is the dielectric loss that 
  counts.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think so - bear in mind that the loading 
coil will be grounded at one end, and have the full antenna votage at the other, 
so as well as the magnetic field of the coil, there will also be an intense 
electric field. So the dielectric losses in the coil materials will also be very 
important.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, the de-icing article is interesting - getting 
a 1m long "antenna" tuned up on 100kHz is quite impressive - they have used a 
set of ferrite-cored loading coils in series, immersed in oil to improve 
insulation. Allthough in spite of this, the Q of about 200 they got wasn't the 
best, and they seem to have had voltage breakdown problems, as you might expect. 
I wonder why they didn't use an air-cored loading coil?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Andy,

Whow, let's all "Work with no sidebands" as one of Mr Walkers 
pseudo-scientific papers suggests !
Then, the next step: Build a "non-conventional filter" to remove the 
carrier as well, and bingo we have the ultimate mode which does no 
occupy any bandwidth at all . Sure he will get this "patented"(!?!) too.

The same principle could be applied to Mr Walkers website: Remove the 
rubbish (~"grass"), leave the truth behind, occupying ZERO BANDWIDTH on 
the internet .


Greetings,
Wolf  DL4YHF .

( back to stoneage MaximumShiftKeying )


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Hello Matti and Alberto,

Thanks for the info. Looks like GPS modules in the 40..60 euro region 
are not that hard to find.

On the Netherlands website I found the info...

 > De GPS modules (GPSkit1) zijn nu (half november) helaas ook niet meer 
leverbaar. 
 > Hiermee ligt het GPSkit project voorlopig even stil.

... with my almost-zero-knowledge of the Dutch language, this seems to 
say "the GPS modules are no longer available, and the GPS-kit-project is 
frozen". Anyway, I know what to look .

Alberto, can you share your results with me ? I'd like to know the 
jitter of the 1-pps-output, and how the unit works when there is very 
limited view of the sky (which is the problem here, and also the reason 
why I haven't given up the idea of building a Loran-disciplined 
reference yet).

Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF.


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<DIV>Any time&nbsp;one of&nbsp;my employer's broadcast transmitters would emit no sidebands, they always called me to go to the site and&nbsp;fix it, day or night.&nbsp; I wish I had known of Mr Walker's ideas sooner.&nbsp; Then we could have simply&nbsp;told our listeners that the problem was with their primitive receivers, and they should buy new ones that don't require wasteful sideband information in order to work.</DIV>
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Maybe the modulation methods suggested by Walker only work if used in 
combination with an EH-antenna ?

73, Rik  ON7YD


Citeren Wolf DL4YHF <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:

> Hi Andy,
> 
> Whow, let's all "Work with no sidebands" as one of Mr Walkers 
> pseudo-scientific papers suggests !
> Then, the next step: Build a "non-conventional filter" to remove the
> 
> carrier as well, and bingo we have the ultimate mode which does no 
> occupy any bandwidth at all . Sure he will get this "patented"(!?!)
> too.
> 
> The same principle could be applied to Mr Walkers website: Remove the
> 
> rubbish (~"grass"), leave the truth behind, occupying ZERO BANDWIDTH
> on 
> the internet .
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> Wolf  DL4YHF .
> 
> ( back to stoneage MaximumShiftKeying )
> 
> 





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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I recive you 59 at 21:00 UTC on 137,000 Khz her at 
JO65BP Roskilde 30 km west of Copenhagen</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Ingolf,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tnx fer report.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I just run low power so that is a very nice report 
:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>QTH is Gothenburg , ant 25M vertical topploaded 2mH 
coil and abt 20m *4 1,5m spaced cap.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tx H-Bridge feed with quasi-wave max output ca 1 KW 
now running abt 200W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DDS vfo </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de Gus SM6BHZ</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=oz7qc@schaui.dk href="mailto:oz7qc@schaui.dk">OZ7QC</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:59 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I recive you 59 at 21:00 UTC on 137,000 Khz her 
  at JO65BP Roskilde 30 km west of Copenhagen</FONT></DIV>
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Rik Strobbe wrote:</font>
<blockquote cite="mid1103138111.41c08d3fbecd8@webmail2.kuleuven.be"
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  <pre wrap=""><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Maybe the modulation methods suggested by Walker only work if used in 
combination with an EH-antenna ?

73, Rik  ON7YD
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">That's a definite
possibility... you should write a rebuttal of the debunking done by
Phil Karn KA9Q<br>
of Qualcomm fame of the VMSK theory.... see&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ka9q.net/vmsk/">http://www.ka9q.net/vmsk/</a><br>
<br>
Who knows ? Maybe this Mr. Walker and that Vladimir Korobejnikov are
closely related or even<br>
the same person with different names... after all, when one has
invented the perpetual motion, or a<br>
new field that propagates at infinite speed, would he be afraid to
invent a new name ? Unlikely...<br>
<br>
<big><font><font id="role_document" color="#000000" size="2"><big><i>&gt;
And , therefore, Alberto, in laymans terms, if such a change occurs
instantly at any point in space where <br>
&gt; this field exists, it ceases to exist instantaneousy as the value
of "time" reduces to zero.</i><br>
<br>
Pat, the only places in this Universe where time has a zero value,
meaning with this that it has slowed down <br>
and finally stopped its flow, are the horizons of events of the black
holes, ideal surfaces placed at the<br>
</big></font></font></big><big><font size="-1"><big>Schwarzschild&#8217;s
radius from the (supposed) singularities that live in the kernel of
black holes.<br>
Thus that </big></font></big>Korobejnikov's theory must be confronted
with this fact.... what happens when that so-called<br>
Hz field encounters a black hole ? Infinite speed on one side and time
dilated up to infinity on the other side...<br>
Who will win ? What is the value of the ratio infinity over infinity ?&nbsp;
Time to go to bed, I suppose....</font><br>
<img alt="" src="cid:part1.06020301.09010708@usa.net" align="middle"
 height="212" width="288"> Two two-dimensional black holes connecting
two different Universes...<br>
73&nbsp; Alberto&nbsp; I2PHD<br>
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Wolf DL4YHF wrote:

> Alberto, can you share your results with me ? I'd like to know the 
> jitter of the 1-pps-output, and how the unit works when there is very 
> limited view of the sky (which is the problem here, and also the 
> reason why I haven't given up the idea of building a Loran-disciplined 
> reference yet).

Wolf,
sure, as soon as I will have found the exact specs of this GPS, I will 
send them to you.
But from a "feature sheet" about it, it is possible to read :
------
â€¢ Enhanced algorithms provide superior navigation performance in â€œurban
canyonâ€ and foliage environments
â€¢ Adaptive threshold-based signal detection for improved
reception of weak signals
------
The jitter specs, although I haven't found any number for them, judging 
from similar units, should not be
spectacular, on the order of a few hundreds of ns. This means that in 
writing the software for your GPSDO
you will have to filter it more heavily. I have experimentally found 
that a Kalman filter does wonders for
this. The other side of the medal is that the error signal will react 
much more slowly to phase changes of
the oscillator, which in turn implies that you will have to use a very 
good OCXO, e.g. an HP 10811 and not
an Isotemp as I have done in my GPSDO project. So my advice is to get 
hold of a 10811 on eBay before
they are all sold and disappear....

73 Alberto I2PHD




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See SM6BHZ 137730 in QRSS3 mode fb "O"
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>
> Who knows ? Maybe this Mr. Walker and that Vladimir Korobejnikov are
closely related or even
> the same person with different names...


Those with a collection of old RadComs in the loft might care to look up the
remarkable antenna paper by Vladimir Ademov,
April 1991

Peter, G3LDO



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  <div>Aha Gentlemen! </div>
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sense that it exists in this universe but radiates in another!</div>
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hmmm, thinking of
non-existant things, like EH antenna radiation or ghosts, do you know<br>
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ghost-hunting program ?<br>
Look here:&nbsp;<big> </big></font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font
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<big>And then click on :</big> </font></font>
<font color="#660000" face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span
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<br>
<font color="#000000">You will see a Windows Media Player video, about
a ghost-hunting program carried out in<br>
Edinburgh, Scotland, that uses Spectran to detect infrasounds, which,
according to them,<br>
are a possible indication of the presence of ghosts....&nbsp; hmmm, in the
next version I must<br>
add a ghost-trigger function, that sounds an alert if the spectrum
energy below 10 Hz is greater<br>
than a given threshold... :-)<br>
<br>
73&nbsp; Alberto&nbsp; I2PHD<br>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good News for 2005</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear friends,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; last 
week I got a permission to operate a MW-transmitter from the German RegTP 
(Regulierungsbehörde für Telekommunikation und Post). It will be used for 
studies of progagation and testing modern receiving modes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some data: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Frequency 440KHz, bandwidth 200Hz, max. 9W 
ERP</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Call DI2AG (the DI-prefixes are for test and 
research only, therefore this is no hamradio application).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Modes A1A, A1B, F1B, G1B. Location 
JN59NO.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The permission is valid in 2005.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The TX will be operated as a beacon, QRSS3 
prefered, with a text like "DI2AG JN59NO 1W". This will be repeated in normal 
CW.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would be glad to receive your reports like date / 
time from - to / report in uV/m or dB below noise or similar / remarks / by 
e-mail. Screenshots appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The QRSS-frequency will be 440.044Khz, I hope there 
will not be other lines. Please send your mails to <A 
href="mailto:walter.staubach@fen-net.de">walter.staubach@fen-net.de</A> or <A 
href="mailto:dj2lf@darc.de">dj2lf@darc.de</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I`ll try 
to get <A href="mailto:di2ag@fen-net.de">di2ag@fen-net.de</A>&nbsp;, 
too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please prepare your equipment for 440KHz. At 
1.1.05&nbsp;&nbsp; 00.01MEZ the big switch will be turned from red to 
green.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I´ll keep you informed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp; DJ2LF</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I Might turn the subject slightly from all of 
the "Scienific Gohst hunting" revalations 
(grin)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and speaking 
of Spectran&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( which is a very impressive peice of 
work, in my book ) I&nbsp;&nbsp; was wondwering if there&nbsp; were 
more&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; matyerial&nbsp; that anyone knows&nbsp;of (&nbsp; 
aside&nbsp; of course&nbsp; from&nbsp; the&nbsp; documentation already 
on&nbsp;&nbsp; the authors site)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>any further documentation, projects, etc Concerning 
this&nbsp; delightful toy/tool, as I have&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; spent&nbsp; a&nbsp; 
bit of time trying to learn more of&nbsp; this peice&nbsp;of 
software</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT face=Arial size=2>and it's potential as an aid in 
comprehending and&nbsp;understanding this whole area&nbsp;&nbsp; (DSP&nbsp;Tools 
etc.)&nbsp; a bit better.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards and thanks ---</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I might add that although I have 
nothiing&nbsp; (words of wisdom or otherwise) to add to the LF Group --- I 
still&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; am&nbsp;&nbsp; an&nbsp; avid reader and&nbsp; hats 
off to all of you anyone furthering the boundaries of&nbsp; radio . 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards and Thanks from </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>N0QAZ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thomas (Tom) C&nbsp; Collins</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="mailto:tcollins88@comcast.net">tcollins88@comcast.net</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.qsl.net/n0qaz">http://www.qsl.net/n0qaz</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=dibene@usa.net href="mailto:dibene@usa.net">Alberto di Bene</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:24 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: A bit of winter solstice 
  reading....</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid128.522aebe4.2ef22ab6@aol.com type="cite"><FONT 
    id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>
    <DIV>Aha Gentlemen! </DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>We have a solution. The EH -antenna probably does work in the sense 
    that it exists in this universe but radiates in another!</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 
    size=2>Now that I AM prepared to believe !</FONT></FONT> 
  <BR></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hmmm, 
  thinking of non-existant things, like EH antenna radiation or ghosts, do you 
  know<BR>that Spectran has made its way through Discovery Channel for a 
  ghost-hunting program ?<BR>Look here:&nbsp;<BIG> </BIG></FONT><FONT 
  face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><FONT id=role_document color=#000000 
  size=2><BIG><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext 
  href="http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=9/8/2004">http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=9/8/2004</A></BIG><BR><BIG>And 
  then click on :</BIG> </FONT></FONT><FONT face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" 
  color=#660000><SPAN class=bodytitle>Let the ghost hunt begin...<BR><BR><FONT 
  color=#000000>You will see a Windows Media Player video, about a ghost-hunting 
  program carried out in<BR>Edinburgh, Scotland, that uses Spectran to detect 
  infrasounds, which, according to them,<BR>are a possible indication of the 
  presence of ghosts....&nbsp; hmmm, in the next version I must<BR>add a 
  ghost-trigger function, that sounds an alert if the spectrum energy below 10 
  Hz is greater<BR>than a given threshold... :-)<BR><BR>73&nbsp; Alberto&nbsp; 
  I2PHD<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></SPAN></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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I have just uploaded AFRICAM 5.0 to my website.

Essentially we have added another mode.  I decided to compromise and
call it FSK, not MSK :-)  Since the demodulator can handle very narrow
frequency shifts, I didn't want to get drawn into the VMSK controversy.

MSK is just CPFSK with a frequency shift of plus/minus bitrate/4.  It
offers very narrow bandwidth (compared, e.g. to BPSK) - and a reasonable
error rate when you have good knowledge at the Rx end of everything except
the actual datastream.  To do it right pretty much means GPS-disciplined
DDS with some extra hardware.  It's way much hassle.  We can get the same
bandwidth advantage by using CPFSK at a deviation ratio of 0.5, ignoring
the tight phase requirements at the Rx end required for real MSK.  There
is a price to be paid for not fully using the phase information: higher
error rates.  But if the signal is loud and in the clear, we can chug
along quite nicely with a very narrow shift (it works on the bench, hi!)
at MS25 using AFRICAM.  I just tried it at MS100 (local, but through a
radio) and it was still printing correctly with a shift of +/- 0.05 Hz,
some 50 times narrower than standard MSK.  I can't hear that shift.
Should fit nicely in the watering hole.  Move over VMSK, here we come!

Suggested calibration trick: first use BPSK transmitted on your nominal
carrier freq, measure the received audio freq using AFRICAM, then set it
in as your exact carrier frequency (fcar=xxx.xx) before you switch over
to FSK.  Do not use the AUTOFREQ mode, it's way too jittery, and make
your audio sampling device is well warmed up beforehand.

At this point I still haven't figured out a good way to do the bit-sync
without using GPS, but AFRICAM already supports GPS-disciplined bit
and frame sync, so I just used it.  The ET1, etc error-correcting codes
are also supported, which helps a lot with FSK.  If you already have
AFRICAM set up for GBPSK, to try the new mode you'll just need a DDS
synthesizer that can generate either of two frequencies according to
an input signal (RTS from AFRICAM).

One extra note: When you use the AFRICAM "SEND" command to send a message,
it sends the message in whatever mode you have selected at the time.  If
you then change modes, it will *continue* sending in its original mode.
So remember, if you change modes, issue the SEND command again so it will
start up in the new mode.

If you want to play with it, AFRICAM 5.0 is available from my website at

 http://www.magma.ca/~ve2iq

Hope we all have a little fun with this,
Bill VE2IQ



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Walter Staubach schrieb:
> Good News for 2005
> Dear friends,
>         last week I got a permission to operate a MW-transmitter from the
>  German RegTP (Regulierungsbehörde für Telekommunikation und Post). It will
>  be used for studies of progagation and testing modern receiving modes.
> Some data: 
> Frequency 440KHz, bandwidth 200Hz, max. 9W ERP
> Call DI2AG (the DI-prefixes are for test and research only, therefore this is
>  no hamradio application).
> Modes A1A, A1B, F1B, G1B. Location JN59NO.
> The permission is valid in 2005.
> The TX will be operated as a beacon, QRSS3 prefered, with a text like "DI2AG
>  JN59NO 1W". This will be repeated in normal CW.
> I would be glad to receive your reports like date / time from - to / report
>  in uV/m or dB below noise or similar / remarks / by e-mail. Screenshots
>  appreciated.
> The QRSS-frequency will be 440.044Khz, I hope there will not be other lines.
>  Please send your mails to walter.staubach@fen-net.de or dj2lf@darc.de    
>  I`ll try to get di2ag@fen-net.de , too.
> Please prepare your equipment for 440KHz. At 1.1.05   00.01MEZ the big switch
>  will be turned from red to green.
> I´ll keep you informed.
> 73   Walter  DJ2LF
>
>
>
Hi Walter,
guess you know it: on 440,000kHz is the NDB (?) "FW" with its sideband (A2A). 
vy strong here in JO43SV.

happy trasmitting!

Uwe/dj8wx



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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Thomas,<br>
&nbsp; the only written documentation for Spectran is the PDF document
downloadable from the Web site.<br>
But if you need some specific help on some functions, just ask either
here or privately.<br>
<br>
73&nbsp; Alberto&nbsp; I2PHD<br>
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T Coll wrote:
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">If I Might turn the subject slightly
from all of the "Scienific Gohst hunting" revalations (grin)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
and speaking of Spectran&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( which is a very impressive peice of
work, in my book ) I&nbsp;&nbsp; was wondwering if there&nbsp; were more&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; matyerial&nbsp;
that anyone knows&nbsp;of (&nbsp; aside&nbsp; of course&nbsp; from&nbsp; the&nbsp; documentation
already on&nbsp;&nbsp; the authors site)</font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">any further documentation, projects,
etc Concerning this&nbsp; delightful toy/tool, as I have&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; spent&nbsp; a&nbsp; bit of
time trying to learn more of&nbsp; this peice&nbsp;of software</font>&nbsp;<font
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and&nbsp;understanding this whole area&nbsp;&nbsp; (DSP&nbsp;Tools etc.)&nbsp; a bit better.</font></div>
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards and thanks ---</font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I might add that although I have
nothiing&nbsp; (words of wisdom or otherwise) to add to the LF Group --- I
still&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; am&nbsp;&nbsp; an&nbsp; avid reader and&nbsp; hats off to all of you anyone
furthering the boundaries of&nbsp; radio . </font></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards and Thanks from </font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">N0QAZ</font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Thomas (Tom) C&nbsp; Collins</font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.qsl.net/n0qaz">http://www.qsl.net/n0qaz</a></font></div>
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    <a title="dibene@usa.net" href="mailto:dibene@usa.net">Alberto di
Bene</a> </div>
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 style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b>
    <a title="rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"
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    <div
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Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:24 AM</div>
    <div
 style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: LF: A bit of winter solstice reading....</div>
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    <blockquote cite="mid128.522aebe4.2ef22ab6@aol.com" type="cite"><font
 id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">
      <div>Aha Gentlemen! </div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>We have a solution. The EH -antenna probably does work in
the sense that it exists in this universe but radiates in another!</div>
      <div><font size="+0"><font id="role_document" color="#000000"
 face="Arial" size="2">Now that I AM prepared to believe !</font></font>
      <br>
      </div>
      </font></blockquote>
    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hmmm, thinking of
non-existant things, like EH antenna radiation or ghosts, do you know<br>
that Spectran has made its way through Discovery Channel for a
ghost-hunting program ?<br>
Look here:&nbsp;<big> </big></font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font
 id="role_document" color="#000000" size="2"><big><a
 class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
 href="http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=9/8/2004">http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=9/8/2004</a></big><br>
    <big>And then click on :</big> </font></font><font color="#660000"
 face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="bodytitle">Let the
ghost hunt begin...<br>
    <br>
    <font color="#000000">You will see a Windows Media Player video,
about a ghost-hunting program carried out in<br>
Edinburgh, Scotland, that uses Spectran to detect infrasounds, which,
according to them,<br>
are a possible indication of the presence of ghosts....&nbsp; hmmm, in the
next version I must<br>
add a ghost-trigger function, that sounds an alert if the spectrum
energy below 10 Hz is greater<br>
than a given threshold... :-)<br>
    <br>
73&nbsp; Alberto&nbsp; I2PHD<br>
    <br>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Could anyone please tell me if archives are available for this 
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Hi Dave I am afraid this list does not save archives, although there are a
selected set of emails on one of Peter Dodds' sites. I dont seem to have
them indexed. Peter collects and weeds out general interest mails, mainly of
a technical nature. There is a wealth of "non chat" stuff on a number of
LFers personal sites. The best entries to those are via Dave G3YXM's site
http://www.wireless.org.uk/
Another entry to a vast amount of collected "wisdom" is Rik Strobbe's pages
at
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Both have a substantial list of links

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Dear LF group,

in the near future we (radioamateurs) will have the chance to install an 
amateur radio station in the new Columbus module that will be attached to 
the International Space Station. The main burden is to develop, test and 
mount the outside antennas (putting antennas on a spacecraft is almost as 
difficult as building a decent LF antenna).
This new station would significantly increase the possibilities of ARISS 
school contacts (where school children can talk to an astronaut or 
cosmonaut on board of the ISS) and every of this school contacts is a big 
promotion amateur radio, covered in newspapers, radio and TV.
Time is limited and all help needed so I would appreciate it if you could 
have a look at http://www.ariss-eu.org/columbus.htm and decide wether you 
want to contribute.

My apologies for this off-topic mail,

73   Rik  ON7YD



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Thanks Bill for the new AFRICAM - I will try later to run it in a DOS 
box under WinXP, or reanimate my stoneage notebook. As I am playing with 
a faster version of MSK for keyboard-to-keyboard communications, I 
appreciate your work as a nice test suit.
On this occasion: Do you use one of the "classic" MSK 
demodulators/decoders like "de Buda" or "Massey/Hodgart", or is it the 
same basic approach as for other PSK modes (chain of decimators+low pass 
filters, and observe the phase of the complex output signal) ?

Best regards,
Wolf DL4YHF

WX conditions: "yucc"  - so some time to spend on the radio this weekend



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<DIV>Dr David, tnx fer response.</DIV>
<DIV>DI2AG is only for science, research and test. No, I don`t think that I am 
allowed to give a crossband response.</DIV>
<DIV>Sri.</DIV>
<DIV>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Ursprüngliche 
  Nachricht-----</B><BR><B>Von: </B><A 
  href="mailto:G0MRF@aol.com">G0MRF@aol.com</A> &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:G0MRF@aol.com">G0MRF@aol.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>An: </B><A 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> 
  &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A>&gt;<BR><B>Datum: 
  </B>Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2004 22:30<BR><B>Betreff: </B>Re: LF: 
  MW<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 16/12/2004 16:50:02 GMT Standard Time, <A 
  href="mailto:walter.staubach@fen-net.de">walter.staubach@fen-net.de</A> 
  writes:</DIV>
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    style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please prepare your equipment for 440KHz. At 
    1.1.05&nbsp;&nbsp; 00.01MEZ the big switch will be turned from red to 
    green.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I´ll keep you informed.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp; 
    DJ2LF</FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>Excellent.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Are you licenced for cross band QSO's ??</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>David&nbsp; G0MRF</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Guten Tag, Uwe,
     tnx fer response, Uwe. Good to know for me. Pse can you tell me, what
beacon "FW" is? I heard it with low signal one evening, but don`t have it in
my list. This is the reason why I took the 440.044 for QRSs, it`s within the
440.000KHz+-100Hz and I hope to avoid interference with it. Pse look to this
QRG and tell me whether it`s free or not.
73   Walter

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2004 23:07
Betreff: Re: LF: MW


Walter Staubach schrieb:
> Good News for 2005
> Dear friends,
>         last week I got a permission to operate a MW-transmitter from the
>  German RegTP (Regulierungsbehörde für Telekommunikation und Post). It
will
>  be used for studies of progagation and testing modern receiving modes.
> Some data:
> Frequency 440KHz, bandwidth 200Hz, max. 9W ERP
> Call DI2AG (the DI-prefixes are for test and research only, therefore this
is
>  no hamradio application).
> Modes A1A, A1B, F1B, G1B. Location JN59NO.
> The permission is valid in 2005.
> The TX will be operated as a beacon, QRSS3 prefered, with a text like
"DI2AG
>  JN59NO 1W". This will be repeated in normal CW.
> I would be glad to receive your reports like date / time from - to /
report
>  in uV/m or dB below noise or similar / remarks / by e-mail. Screenshots
>  appreciated.
> The QRSS-frequency will be 440.044Khz, I hope there will not be other
lines.
>  Please send your mails to walter.staubach@fen-net.de or dj2lf@darc.de
>  I`ll try to get di2ag@fen-net.de , too.
> Please prepare your equipment for 440KHz. At 1.1.05   00.01MEZ the big
switch
>  will be turned from red to green.
> I´ll keep you informed.
> 73   Walter  DJ2LF
>
>
>
Hi Walter,
guess you know it: on 440,000kHz is the NDB (?) "FW" with its sideband
(A2A).
vy strong here in JO43SV.

happy trasmitting!

Uwe/dj8wx




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Guten Tag, Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tnx fer 
response. Glad to know, that your computer has the order to observe the 440.044 
from the beginning. Please give your report to <A 
href="mailto:DI2AG@fen-net.de">DI2AG@fen-net.de</A>&nbsp; I have just got this 
new adress from my provider. Ok abt ur 100mW, I agree, that should be enough for 
the 50Kms. But we are not allowed. How to get a permission like this? Let us 
talk about by phone.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter</FONT></DIV>
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At 02:26 PM 12/17/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Thanks Bill for the new AFRICAM - I will try later to run it in a DOS 
>box under WinXP, or reanimate my stoneage notebook.

AFRICAM doesn't run well under Windows, even in a "DOS" box -
I find it makes errors when it measures the internal CPU clock
speed, and when it measures the sound card (and possibly even
the Sigma-Delta interface?) sampling rate.  Looks like Windoze is
taking a lot of machine cycles in long enough blocks that I can't
service all interrupts in the usual time.  It runs properly if
you boot to DOS and avoid Windows altogether.

>As I am playing with 
>a faster version of MSK for keyboard-to-keyboard communications, I 
>appreciate your work as a nice test suit.
>On this occasion: Do you use one of the "classic" MSK 
>demodulators/decoders like "de Buda" or "Massey/Hodgart", or is it the 
>same basic approach as for other PSK modes (chain of decimators+low pass 
>filters, and observe the phase of the complex output signal) ?

The way I do it is to multiply the incoming audio with a phasor rotating
at the nominal carrier frequency (800 Hz).  The result has sum and difference
components.  Let's say, for example, we are running at MS100 (10 bits per
second).
The difference component will be either +2.5 Hz or -2.5 Hz.  The sum will be
around 1600 Hz.  The basic idea is to measure the difference frequency.
Unfortunately the high freq component in the mixer output causes problems so I
take it (mostly) out by basically adding up 10 samples (at 8200 samples per
second)
 - which makes an effective and cheap lowpass filter.  I just use a 10-slot
running average accumulator and sum the complex values into it as they appear,
subtracting the reading from 10 samples ago each time as well.  Then I measure
the low frequency component by taking the phase at each sample point,
seeing how
much the phase increased or decreased from the previous sample point, then
fitting
a regression line to the increasing or decreasing phase values.  The slope
of the
line is how many degrees (radians) the phase increased per sample averaged
over
the bit time.  That is easily translated into the frequency of the mixer's
output,
but all I really care about is the polarity.  Plus slope means a "1" was
received,
minus slope means a "0".  I use the actual numerical slopes to estimate how
far off
the carrier we are tuned, but that is secondary to the detection process.
The linear
regression works better than a straight average over the bit time because
it does a
better job of making the answer independent of the jitter (noise) at each
sample point.

A better way is to break it up into two channels staggered one with respect
to the
other by one bit time.  Then you can multiply each channel by a 2.5 Hz
phasor to
reduce the difference freq to DC, and simply add them up over two consecutive
bit times to get the phase.  The original bitstream can then be
reconstructed from
the two polarities in the two staggered channels.  The problem is that way
works only
when we have a good phase for the local oscillator clock at 800 Hz - and it
is difficult
to get it from the signal when the SNR is poor.  Also, it depends strongly
on the Tx
sending pure MSK, which most people will not be able to do.  I think the
FSK approach
is a good compromise to start testing with.

You might want to download the latest version of MSKGEN.COM from my
website.  It uses
a soundcard to make pure MSK, but if you invoke it with "NOMOD" it outputs
a pure
800-Hz carrier.  Run that through *the same* soundcard for calibration.  I
tried sending
MSK from one soundcard to another at 800 Hz - it doesn't work well at low
baudrates because
the darned soundcards are *way* off in their sampling rates.  The stability
is OK, but
the absolute errors are unacceptable and it would be too much trouble to
trim them.

73,
Bill VE2IQ



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Hi Walter,

yes and no. Sometimes even our german telecommunication authority seems to jump
over their own shaddow...hi

Some years ago there was a special crossband activity made by the LF station
DDH47 of the german weather service (DWD) Pinneberg (near Hamburg) as part of
some celebrations (I think it was 50 yers DWD, but I have to look for the
QSL-card, BTW a very very nice QSL-card was issued for these crossband QSOs).

There might be a possibility for a special interservice crossband permission,
but I don't knwo if they would (ever) issue such a permit for a year or so,
only just for a limited period and I think only for a very "special" event...hi
Which I don't see for DI2AG, but who knows...hihihi

73, Tom / DL8AAM
PS: The DDH47 QSL is on my webpage, see
http://people.freenet.de/troesne/index.html
  -> Amateur Radio
  -> QSLs for interservice (QSOing between amateurs and "others")




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Encouraged by the recent succesful crossband QSO (2200m / 80m cw) with
Roger, K0MVJ  near Duluth, I am hoping to be able to promote further LF
activity and interest in this two-way mode. Accordingly, I will be calling
CQ tonight on the following schedule, followed by a short listening period
for replies on both 80m CW (3.555mHz) and 40m CW (7.055mHz).

I will be transmitting in QRSS20 using a dash/dot ratio of 2:1 (40sec
dash/20sec dot). Times are UTC.

0300 - 0316 CQ (137.5735)
0316 - 0320 Listening HF
0330 - 0346 CQ (137.5735)
0346 - 0350 Listening HF

I will repeat this schedule through to 0650Z. The only thing that would
disrupt the transmitting schedule would be a QSO exchange after which I will
call CQ again until the end of the scheduled period.

To be logged as a valid QSO, the following minimum information exchange is
required by both stations:

RECEPTION OF BOTH CALLS
RECEPTION OF YOUR SIGNAL REPORT
CONFIRMATION ('R') OF RECEIPT OF YOUR SIGNAL REPORT BY THE OTHER STATION

A typical 'ideal' QSO might look like this:

LF QRSS: CQ VE7SL K
HF CW: VE7SL VE7SL VE7SL de W9XXX W9XXX W9XXX K
LF QRSS: W9XXX VE7SL 5NN K
HF CW: VE7SL de W9XXX RRR RRR OOO OOO BK
LF QRSS: R R R K
HF CW: VE7SL de W9XXX FB 73 73 TU SK SK
LF QRSS: (not required) 73 TU

The "OOO" is my signal report, and can only be sent once you have BOTH calls
OK.
All exchange of information must take place via the crossband mode and no HF
transmissions from this end will be made. If initially you have not copied
one or the other call 100% it is fine to ask for that information only to be
sent again...ex:

LF QRSS: W9XXX VE7SL 5NN K
HF CW: VE7SL de W9XXX NEED UR CALL AGN PSE (or "MY CALL") (or "BOTH CALLS")

Once you have both calls OK then you can send the "O" report.
The same would apply for missing signal report or 'Roger' report...just ask
for a repeat.
It is also not required to copy a full call in one complete pass. You may
get "VE7?L" the first time and "V?7SL" the next time which then gives you a
complete call. BTW...these are not my rules(!) but long-established
protocols for both EME and meteor-scatter contacts as well as LF work in
Europe.

Anyway...it's just an experiment for tonight to see if there is any
interest.

Steve / VE7SL / CN88iu / Mayne Island, B.C.

QRSS20 137.5735 400W
QSX 3555kHz / 7055kHz

Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
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Hallo, Tom,
       yes, I remember this event. But this is an unusual permission, let us
work in accordance with the regulations not to endanger anything. Let`s see
later, you know "Kommt Zeit, kommt Rat" ;-)
73
Walter

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org <dl8aam@9a0tcp.ampr.org>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Freitag, 17. Dezember 2004 22:58
Betreff: Subject: Re: LF: MF


>Hi Walter,
>
>yes and no. Sometimes even our german telecommunication authority seems to
jump
>over their own shaddow...hi
>
>Some years ago there was a special crossband activity made by the LF
station
>DDH47 of the german weather service (DWD) Pinneberg (near Hamburg) as part
of
>some celebrations (I think it was 50 yers DWD, but I have to look for the
>QSL-card, BTW a very very nice QSL-card was issued for these crossband
QSOs).
>
>There might be a possibility for a special interservice crossband
permission,
>but I don't knwo if they would (ever) issue such a permit for a year or so,
>only just for a limited period and I think only for a very "special"
event...hi
>Which I don't see for DI2AG, but who knows...hihihi
>
>73, Tom / DL8AAM
>PS: The DDH47 QSL is on my webpage, see
>http://people.freenet.de/troesne/index.html
>  -> Amateur Radio
>  -> QSLs for interservice (QSOing between amateurs and "others")
>
>
>



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>listening period
> for replies on both 80m CW (3.555mHz) and 40m CW (7.055mHz).

oops....let's make that MHz shall we :-)

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Condx on 160 m not very good this morning but did 
work VE3PN and K2LP on CW&nbsp;and heard our old LF friend VE1ZJ busy working 
the DX.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did not hear much on 137 khz at my listening 
times.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WD2XGJ and WD2XES were weakly visible on CT1DRP's 
screen last night around 0100. There was nothing after that for quite a while, 
but a ghostly XES did turn up at 0730 UTC:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>WD2XGJ went QRT at 0:300 last night</DIV>
<DIV>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WD2XGJ and WD2XES were weakly visible on CT1DRP's screen last night around 0100. There was nothing after that for quite a while, but a ghostly XES did turn up at 0730 UTC:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not sure if Warren was on at that time. Conditions are not good, but some success is possible.</FONT></DIV>
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A nice crossband QSO was completed tonight with Jay, VY1JA in Whitehorse,
YT.
80m cw - 2200m QRSS3 @ 1540km.
Jay has now obtained an experimental licence for 136 and will be
constructing a tx while waiting for good weather to do some antenna work.

Steve / VE7SL Mayne Island, BC CN88
(Looking for crossband skeds)


Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
[2200m Band] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors]



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It seems conditions recover slowly. The attached screenshot was taken
at 0520z, 19th of Dec.



Hartmut Wolff
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www.h-wolff.de


> WD2XGJ and WD2XES were weakly visible on CT1DRP's screen last night around 0100. There was nothing after that for quite a while, but a ghostly XES did turn up at 0730 UTC:


> I'm not sure if Warren was on at that time. Conditions are not good, but some success is possible.

> John Andrews
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Walter Staubach schrieb:
> Guten Tag, Uwe,
>      tnx fer response, Uwe. Good to know for me. Pse can you tell me, what
> beacon "FW" is? I heard it with low signal one evening, but don`t have it in
> my list. This is the reason why I took the 440.044 for QRSs, it`s within the
> 440.000KHz+-100Hz and I hope to avoid interference with it. Pse look to this
> QRG and tell me whether it`s free or not.
> 73   Walter

> Hi Walter,
> guess you know it: on 440,000kHz is the NDB (?) "FW" with its sideband
> (A2A).
> vy strong here in JO43SV.
>
> happy trasmitting!
>
> Uwe/dj8wx
>



Hi Walter agn.,

"FW" transmitts on 440007.9Hz -68,7dB above noise. there is an other A0 on 
439999.5Hz -74,0 dB above noise.

"FW" makes a constant +/-240Hz -96dB noiseflor.

the noiseflor outside +/-240Hz is -109dB to -110dB.

see attachment.

I took the measurements today at 1415UTC.

I dont know where that station "FW" is located. but guess some NDB freaks will 
read this.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx
BTW. is the expression "flor" known or is it german only?   
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Hi Uwe, Walter & list:


I'm attaching a list with NDBs that are listed on 440 kHz +/- 2 kHz.

FW or FA is "negative keying" of the Polish NDB DRE on 440 kHz.

The term "negative keying" describes a strange situation where the
Morse code identification of an NDB becomes "inverted". This can
produce some strange sounding IDs, and can often be characterized by
uneven spacing, or a very long dash, which appears between the
callsigns. Many of the ones that are frequently heard are located in
Eastern Europe, though negative calls have also been heard from
Western European countries from time to time.

"Negative keying" actually results from a drop (reduction) of the NDB
transmitter's carrier level (amplitude) during the time when the
transmitter is being keyed, i. e. transmitting the NDB's Morse code
identification. Hence the most likely spot to find negative keying is
to tune directly to the NDB's carrier frequency and operating the
receiver in narrow CW mode.

If you want to translate between positive and negative callsigns (or
vice versa), you might want to try the following procedure:

- Inside each Morse code character, the short period of silence
between two adjacent "dits" or "dahs" or "dit-dahs" or "dah-dits"
becomes a "dit".

- A "dah" becomes a character separator.

- The long period of silence (character separator) between two Morse
code characters becomes a "dah".

- The very long silence between two consecutive IDs of the NDB becomes
a very long dash.

Below I've tried to sketch a little graphical representation for some
of the more frequently heard NDBs that are producing negative keying.
The vertical line | indicates a character separator. Please have a
look at the following examples:

C       F
- . - .|. . - .
|. .|. - . .|.
 I   L       E

G     R     U
- - .|. - .|. . -
|.|. - .|. - . .|
 E R     L

and finally:

D     R     E
- . .|. - .|.
|. . - .|. - |
 F       A



> Hi Walter agn.,

> "FW" transmitts on 440007.9Hz -68,7dB above noise. there is an other
> A0 on 439999.5Hz -74,0 dB above noise.

> "FW" makes a constant +/-240Hz -96dB noiseflor.

> the noiseflor outside +/-240Hz is -109dB to -110dB.

> see attachment.

> I took the measurements today at 1415UTC.

> I dont know where that station "FW" is located. but guess some NDB
> freaks will read this.

> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx

> BTW. is the expression "flor" known or is it german only?   



-- 
vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael


RX: ICOM R75, ICOM R71A,
Sony ICF-SW7600G, W&G SPM-3, Präcitronic MV62
Antenna: Radio West 22.5" ferrite loop with amplifier,
20m longwire, Wellbrook ALA 100
Location: Roschbach, Germany N 49°15' E 8°07' / Locator JN49BF
Editor of "The European NDB Handbook" & "The North American NDB Handbook"
cf. http://www.beaconworld.org.uk/datafile.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: dj9dw <dj9dw@t-online.de>
To: LF_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: LF: F6BWO


> Jeff, F6BWO,
> did not find your mail-adress in Callsign-Server, so have to take this
way.
> Just to let you know, the qrg was fairly free when I called cq. But that
did
> not lasted  long when databursts of DCF42 I guess hit me again. So copy
was
> rather difficult. Try to make some progress by use of noise canceller. In
> clear spots q5 at -80 dBu with 100 Hz BW.
> So 73 es tu de Peter, dj9dw.
>
>
>
Hallo Peter,
Jeff,F6BWO , hat keinen Internetanschluß
hoffe Dich bald `mal wieder zu hören
Vy 73 Reiner DL3FDO



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Hi,

the ident "FW" is the 'negative' form of the NDB "DRE", a polish beacon from
Drezdenko. Another regular "heard" here in Germany is on 440 kHz is PIA
Piacenza, Italy. Often reported on NDB DX mailing list is "OR" another
polish NDB (Rzeszow/Jasionka). Nothing on 439, on 441 "only" CK (Prerov, Czech
Rep.) - regular heard here - and O (Kardla, Estonia), which I never heard so
far...

73, Tom - DL8AAM




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<BODY style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">Most likely the QRSS signal would be someone&nbsp;on the North American lowfer reflector at LWCA.org.&nbsp; Might want to check there as well.</BODY></HTML>

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<DIV>13 Dec&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DL2HRE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; QRSS-3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; worked him but had vy local QRM </DIV>
<DIV>17 Dec -&nbsp;&nbsp; SM6BHZ&nbsp; &nbsp; CW&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 599&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; calling&nbsp; CQ</DIV>
<DIV>18 Dec-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SM6BHZ&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;CW&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 599&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; calling &nbsp;CQ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;answered but no reply </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; G3XDV&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; CW&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 599&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;calling&nbsp; CQ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SM6BHZ&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;QRSS-10&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; calling&nbsp; CQ </DIV>
<DIV>19 Dec-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; G3WFM&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;CW&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 579&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; calling&nbsp; CQ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; G3AQC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; CW&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 599&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;calling&nbsp; PA0KDM</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DF0WD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hellsch&nbsp;?&nbsp;"O"&nbsp;&nbsp;wkg&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;OK5BAG</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DF0WD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; QRSS-3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; worked him&nbsp; "O - O"</DIV>
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Ive been on qrss1 and cw for the past 48 hours or so...now back on dfcw90 - 
the lower freq on dfcw is a triangular waveform at a 30 sec "cycle" rate - 
on  Argo qrss30 slow it gives an appearance of 3 or 4 equi spaced 
horizonatal traces between 137,7752 and 137,7756 - rather looks like a 
"space invader" from the 70's era.

See Steve w3eee site for Space invaders and other interesting visuals sites- 
  also Bryces Ki0le site for the currrent USA part 5 137Khz around 137.777 
activity....

http://www.cpinternet.com/~ki0le/pages/argo.htm





Cheers
Laurence wd2xdw em26aq OK



>From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
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>To: lowfer@lwca.org
>Subject: [LW] XDW @ 0310z Monday
>Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:19:36 -0900
>
>XDW back on dfcw90 hi lo hi lo with 9 wpm cw id at beginning and end of 70 
>min sequence.
>
>Lo = 137.7752 GPS referenced, hi 137,7755 Khz appx
>
>Laurence wd2xdw em26aq bartlesvillle OK (just a little south of the "real" 
>little house on the prairy)
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 06:23:27 +0100
From: Hartmut Wolff <wolff.h@t-online.de>
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Attached is a screenshot from 0045z 20th of Dec. VO1NA now sending
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hrd tonite 1915 utc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>439 khz - PIA &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; prefectly readable 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>440 khz - FW good signal</FONT></DIV>
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Ill be LF rx qrv from Wasilla, BP51 Alaska hopefully from 24/25th-30th 
December 04, probably with HF capability also if I can throw something up. 
Will be looking for any signals that can perculate that far.. All this is 
subject to weather, skiing, familiy priorities and or hangovers

Both the 137Khz Part 5 XDW  beacon and HIfer Part 15 beacons will remain ON 
+24 hours under remote control (isnt Citrix a bonus....) subject to power 
resets.

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Michael Oexner schrieb:
> Hi Uwe, Walter & list:
>
>
> I'm attaching a list with NDBs that are listed on 440 kHz +/- 2 kHz.
>
> FW or FA is "negative keying" of the Polish NDB DRE on 440 kHz.
>
> The term "negative keying" describes a strange situation where the
> Morse code identification of an NDB becomes "inverted". This can
> produce some strange sounding IDs, and can often be characterized by
> uneven spacing, or a very long dash, which appears between the
> callsigns. Many of the ones that are frequently heard are located in
> Eastern Europe, though negative calls have also been heard from
> Western European countries from time to time.
>
> "Negative keying" actually results from a drop (reduction) of the NDB
> transmitter's carrier level (amplitude) during the time when the
> transmitter is being keyed, i. e. transmitting the NDB's Morse code
> identification. Hence the most likely spot to find negative keying is
> to tune directly to the NDB's carrier frequency and operating the
> receiver in narrow CW mode.
>
> If you want to translate between positive and negative callsigns (or
> vice versa), you might want to try the following procedure:
>
> - Inside each Morse code character, the short period of silence
> between two adjacent "dits" or "dahs" or "dit-dahs" or "dah-dits"
> becomes a "dit".
>
> - A "dah" becomes a character separator.
>
> - The long period of silence (character separator) between two Morse
> code characters becomes a "dah".
>
> - The very long silence between two consecutive IDs of the NDB becomes
> a very long dash.
>
> Below I've tried to sketch a little graphical representation for some
> of the more frequently heard NDBs that are producing negative keying.
> The vertical line | indicates a character separator. Please have a
> look at the following examples:
>
> C       F
> - . - .|. . - .
> |. .|. - . .|.
>  I   L       E
>
> G     R     U
> - - .|. - .|. . -
> |.|. - .|. - . .|
>  E R     L
>
> and finally:
>
> D     R     E
> - . .|. - .|.
> |. . - .|. - |
>  F       A
>
>
>
> vy 73 + gd DX,
>
> Michael

Hi Michael,
thanks for the efforts you made explaining us the effect of negative keying.
best regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Hi Jim & LF,

I am about to carry out the M0BMU current-fed mods for the G0MRF 300 watt
class D Tx.

I have salvaged several cores from monitor flyback/line O/P transformers &
they all have an air/di-electric gap on the round leg of the core. Is this
OK or should I search for one with no gap?

Also reference the home-made "litz" wire, there are 2 descriptions during
the course of the e-mails covering the subject ie: 3 groups of 4x 0.3 mm ecw
& on the diagram 12 strands of 0.3mm ecw. Which is best/correct & how best
to make it up ie: parallel or twisted strands/groups?

If anyone is using the mod how well is it performing.

I have increased the heat sink & airflow cooling.
I have also upgraded the power supply to 40 volts - 12.5 Amps after my
recent (under-rated) power supply failure.

Regards & Thanks in anticipation.

Gary - G4WGT

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Dear Gary, LF Group,

You need one without an air gap - the air gap will drastically reduce the
winding inductance, unfortunately. There is nothing magical about the LOPT
cores - I just used them because they were a suitable component available
for free! The original specified cores should also work fine with the same
number of turns. Try to keep the windings as compact as possible to minimise
the leakage inductance. 

In theory, you will get less loss if the strands of enamelled wire are
twisted together in small groups which are then twisted into bigger groups -
the idea being that each strand is on the outside of the bundle for an equal
fraction of the overall length, giving each strand an equal impedance and
making the current distribution more even. But in this case, the main reason
for doing it was because it is easier to wind a stranded wire than very
thick solid wire - the "litz" construction can't hurt though.

In my example of the G0MRF circuit, doing these mods led to increased power
output (about 400W @ 37V if I recall), while at the same time the improved
efficiency reduced the heating of the output transistors and output stage
components in general. If you have an oscilloscope, you should see a cleaner
waveform at the drains of the MOSFETs, although there will still be
considerable switching spikes present.

Good Luck with the mods,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hi Jim & LF,

I am about to carry out the M0BMU current-fed mods for the G0MRF 300 watt
class D Tx.

I have salvaged several cores from monitor flyback/line O/P transformers &
they all have an air/di-electric gap on the round leg of the core. Is this
OK or should I search for one with no gap?





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Whilst Im in Alaska WD2XDW will remain on in OKlahoma on 137,7752/6 dfcw gps 
ref'd and under remote control. To aid me ive web enabled a camera looking 
at the "aerial current" meter on the Decca 5501 unit - 
http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/ccam.jpg   - the meter lower scale is just 
visible as 1-6 amps and for perfect matching it should read 5.25A; any 
higher (tuner needs more C) or lower (its warmed up!) means mistmatch, or 
off.

It refreshes every couple of mins so you may catch a intercharacter space or 
a blurring as it keys CW. The time and the date on the picture is GMT. The 
room is lit by natural light and will be dimmer at night as the room is only 
lit by the various LEDs.

Argo 2 live on the web site shows the output of the tx at dot30 slow - again 
to help me keep an eye on the equipment.

Laurence, on route Anchorage BP51
Have a good christmas -
KL1X/5 em26aq




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Hey Gary

I have used the split flyback cores with good success here for my 500W amp
design which is very similar to the G0MRF design and uses James' ideas
regarding the current feed configuration.  The trick is lapping the
connecting surfaces on a flat surface with 600grit paper.  Click the core
back together and wrap it it fibre tape or something similar and wind your
coils...  You may need to experiment with a few different 'brands' of
'street ferrite' before you find one that is man enough...

73 Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: "Jim Moritz (M0BMU)" <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: LF: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx


>
> Hi Jim & LF,
>
> I am about to carry out the M0BMU current-fed mods for the G0MRF 300 watt
> class D Tx.
>
> I have salvaged several cores from monitor flyback/line O/P transformers &
> they all have an air/di-electric gap on the round leg of the core. Is this
> OK or should I search for one with no gap?
>
> Also reference the home-made "litz" wire, there are 2 descriptions during
> the course of the e-mails covering the subject ie: 3 groups of 4x 0.3 mm
ecw
> & on the diagram 12 strands of 0.3mm ecw. Which is best/correct & how best
> to make it up ie: parallel or twisted strands/groups?
>
> If anyone is using the mod how well is it performing.
>
> I have increased the heat sink & airflow cooling.
> I have also upgraded the power supply to 40 volts - 12.5 Amps after my
> recent (under-rated) power supply failure.
>
> Regards & Thanks in anticipation.
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
> --
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----- Original Message -----
From: "james moritz" <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
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Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:31 AM
Subject: LF: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx


Dear Gary, LF Group,

You need one without an air gap - the air gap will drastically reduce the
winding inductance, unfortunately.

Hi All
I have used these cores and noticed no difference between them and a
continuous type core. I put the two core halves together tightly and used
the same number of turns as used on the continuous core, maybe I was lucky.
What does Jim call a gap? If they are tight together is that considered a
gap? Must the core be totally continuous?
de Mal/G3KEV











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Dear Mal, LF Group,

I mean a deliberately introduced gap as used to provide a higher energy
storage capability in a line output transformer. The gap is usually of the
order of 0.5 - 1mm, produced either by having plastic film spacers between
the core haves, or by machining the legs of the core to unequal lengths. If
you want to use the core for a straightforward transformer, the air gap is
not wanted - no problem to remove the spacers, but difficult when the core
has been machined. Provided the mating surfaces of the core halves fit
together accurately when they are clamped, the core will behave like a solid
lump of ferrite, but quite a small fraction of a mm gap will change the
inductance radically, since the permeability of the gap is much lower than
that of the ferrite. Usually, the mating surfaces of the ferrite are
accurately ground flat by the manufacturers to ensure a good fit.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

Hi All
I have used these cores and noticed no difference between them and a
continuous type core. I put the two core halves together tightly and used
the same number of turns as used on the continuous core, maybe I was lucky.
What does Jim call a gap? If they are tight together is that considered a
gap? Must the core be totally continuous?
de Mal/G3KEV













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Brian,

> I have been waiting all year for this.  I hope there are four happy
stations
> across the water this morning.

For my part, Ho Ho Ho! Thanks!

John A.




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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Brian,<BR>
<BR>
what a nice image, congratulations to all participants!<BR>
<BR>
Merry Christmas Eve to everyone in the group<BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
brian@esoterica.pt: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I have been waiting all year for this.&nbsp; I hope there are four happy stations<BR>
across the water this morning.<BR>
<BR>
http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/best_overnight_argo_capture.htm<BR>
<BR>
Season's greeting to all on the reflector. Brian CT1DRP<BR>
<BR>
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<html><body>
<DIV>Brian,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; Thank you for the capture! I'm very pleased with the results. I just acquired a Decca Tx, and it will take a few weeks for me to make the modifications, power supply etc. That should give me a considerably better signal (+7dB or so).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;Assuming that goes well, I'd be interested in knowing if there any stations 'across the pond' available for a two-way QSO?</DIV>
<DIV>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>&gt; I have been waiting all year for this. I hope there are four happy stations <BR>&gt; across the water this morning. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/best_overnight_argo_capture.htm <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Season's greeting to all on the reflector. Brian CT1DRP <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>

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Better conditions last night than for some time.
A good signal from VO1NA and best ever from XES. 

Capture is at:
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk

The evening signals seen from VO1NA around 2100-
2300UTC back in the Autumn have become very rare. Best 
time (as any topbander will tell you) is still just after dawn.

Hope to transmit some test signals over the holiday period - 
will announce soon.

Seasons greetings to all.

Mike, G3XDV
============



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  <DIV>&nbsp; Thank you for the capture! I'm very pleased with the results. I 
  just acquired a Decca Tx, and it will take a few weeks for me to make the 
  modifications, power supply etc. That should give me a considerably better 
  signal (+7dB or so).</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;Assuming that goes well, I'd be interested in knowing if there any 
  stations 'across the pond' available for a two-way QSO?</DIV>
  <DIV>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Lots I should think.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BTW........has a claim been made for the AMRAD / RSGB / DARC transatlantic 
prize for the first QSO&nbsp;with the USA?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I remember&nbsp; UK to canada was awarded to 4 stations with a 'joint 
first' but do I recall there was a seperate catagory for 'USA' as opposed to 
'NA'?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, seems the licensing arrangements will finally allow a 2 way to 
happen.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Good luck...............</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Maybe Mal can turn up the wick so his CW could be heard over here? How
much power can you generate Mal? Warren has a 10w ERP limit which
should be plenty<span class="moz-smiley-s5"><span> :-D&nbsp; </span></span>What
do you think Warren? Do you have a pair of 4CX10000's laying around,
they gotta hear YA over there then<span class="moz-smiley-s4"><span>
:-P </span></span><br>
<br>
Merry Christmas to all...<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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  <div>In a message dated 24/12/2004 15:06:53 GMT Standard Time, k2ors
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    <div>Brian,</div>
    <div>&nbsp; Thank you for the capture! I'm very pleased with the
results. I just acquired a Decca Tx, and it will take a few weeks for
me to make the modifications, power supply etc. That should give me a
considerably better signal (+7dB or so).</div>
    <div>&nbsp;Assuming that goes well, I'd be interested in knowing if
there any stations 'across the pond' available for a two-way QSO?</div>
    <div>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</div>
    </font></blockquote>
  </div>
  <div>Lots I should think.</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>BTW........has a claim been made for the AMRAD / RSGB / DARC
transatlantic prize for the first QSO&nbsp;with the USA?</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>I remember&nbsp; UK to canada was awarded to 4 stations with a 'joint
first' but do I recall there was a seperate catagory for 'USA' as
opposed to 'NA'?</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Anyway, seems the licensing arrangements will finally allow a 2
way to happen.</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>Good luck...............</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>David</div>
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John - this is the first time I have seen your signal back here. Traces at
0730Z with peak around 0820-0850Z, much the same as Alan Melia noted I
believe. Also bits of  Warren but he is almost on top of a Loran line here.
Distance is 280 miles.

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<DIV>David,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; I checked the AMRAD site, technically the Bobek award is for "The LF Transatlantic Challenge is pair of Trophies for the first two-way Europe-USA 136 kHz contact once the band is allocated to the Amateur Radio Service by the FCC (assuming that happens)"</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; Since the FCC has not allocated 136 for the amateur service, the question is would the sponsoring organizations recognize an experimental Part 5 U.S. station contacting a European amateur station as a valid contact? </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; Award or no, I'm keen to give it a go.</DIV>
<DIV>Happy Christmas!<BR>Warren</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp; Thank you for the capture! I'm very pleased with the results. I just acquired a Decca Tx, and it will take a few weeks for me to make the modifications, power supply etc. That should give me a considerably better signal (+7dB or so).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;Assuming that goes well, I'd be interested in knowing if there any stations 'across the pond' available for a two-way QSO?</DIV>
<DIV>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Lots I should think.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BTW........has a claim been made for the AMRAD / RSGB / DARC transatlantic prize for the first QSO&nbsp;with the USA?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I remember&nbsp; UK to canada was awarded to 4 stations with a 'joint first' but do I recall there was a seperate catagory for 'USA' as opposed to 'NA'?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, seems the licensing arrangements will finally allow a 2 way to happen.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Good luck...............</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>David</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>

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<DIV>Good info Steve. I picked my current frequency to avoid Loran interference in Europe. looks like I should try for something else.</DIV>
<DIV>73 &amp; Happy Holidays</DIV>
<DIV>Warren</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; John - this is the first time I have seen your signal back here. Traces at <BR>&gt; 0730Z with peak around 0820-0850Z, much the same as Alan Melia noted I <BR>&gt; believe. Also bits of Warren but he is almost on top of a Loran line here. <BR>&gt; Distance is 280 miles. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; http://www.imagenisp.com/jsm/bccap.jpg <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Steve / VE7SL <BR>&gt; Mayne Island, BC CN88iu <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm <BR>&gt; [L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing] <BR>&gt; [2200m Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors] <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>

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oops..let's make that distance 2480 miles!

>> John - this is the first time I have seen your signal back here. Traces
at
> 0730Z with peak around 0820-0850Z, much the same as Alan Melia noted I
> believe. Also bits of  Warren but he is almost on top of a Loran line
here.
> Distance is 280 miles.
>
> http://www.imagenisp.com/jsm/bccap.jpg
>
> Steve / VE7SL
> Mayne Island, BC CN88iu
>
> Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
> [L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
> [2200m Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors]
>



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Mike,

Thanks for the capture -- nice to get all these Christmas presents!

John Andrews

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Better conditions last night than for some time.
> A good signal from VO1NA and best ever from XES. 
> 
> Capture is at:
> http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk
> 
> The evening signals seen from VO1NA around 2100-
> 2300UTC back in the Autumn have become very rare. Best 
> time (as any topbander will tell you) is still just after dawn.
> 
> Hope to transmit some test signals over the holiday period - 
> will announce soon.
> 
> Seasons greetings to all.
> 
> Mike, G3XDV
> ============
> 
> 
> 


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<DIV>In a message dated 24/12/2004 16:19:28 GMT Standard Time, k2ors@comcast.net 
writes:</DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp; I checked the AMRAD site, technically the Bobek award is for "The 
  LF Transatlantic Challenge is pair of Trophies for the first two-way 
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<DIV>I believe the original Canadian stations had special permits not any 
particular general access to the band. This probably equates to something 
similar to your current permission which does appear to be substantially 
different to the original 'AMRAD' permits which only allowed two way 
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<DIV>In any case, it's a good target to aim at and I'm sure you'll find some 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "james moritz" <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx


Dear Mal, LF Group,

I mean a deliberately introduced gap as used to provide a higher energy
storage capability in a line output transformer. The gap is usually of the
order of 0.5 - 1mm, produced either by having plastic film spacers between
the core haves, or by machining the legs of the core to unequal lengths. If
you want to use the core for a straightforward transformer, the air gap is
not wanted - no problem to remove the spacers, but difficult when the core
has been machined. Provided the mating surfaces of the core halves fit
together accurately when they are clamped, the core will behave like a solid
lump of ferrite, but quite a small fraction of a mm gap will change the
inductance radically, since the permeability of the gap is much lower than
that of the ferrite. Usually, the mating surfaces of the ferrite are
accurately ground flat by the manufacturers to ensure a good fit.

Tnx Jim for the clarification. My type has nice flat machined surfaces that
fit nicely together when the plastic spacer is removed. Both halves of the
core are symetrical and some are marked 3c8. I tried one of these in the
G3YXM design with the same number of turns as he specified for his type of
core and did not notice any difference in matching or output etc. The
advantage being that they cost me NOTHING hi. They came out of the older all
tube type TV'S of yesteryears hi. I have held on to them for years and now
find them useful.
73 and Merry Xmas and HNY to you and all the LF fraternity including the
silent LISTENERS IN and those sitting on the FENCE.

Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/England



Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

Hi All
I have used these cores and noticed no difference between them and a
continuous type core. I put the two core halves together tightly and used
the same number of turns as used on the continuous core, maybe I was lucky.
What does Jim call a gap? If they are tight together is that considered a
gap? Must the core be totally continuous?
de Mal/G3KEV















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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=we0h@genesiswireless.us href="mailto:we0h@genesiswireless.us">WE0H 
  Mike</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 24, 2004 4:15 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Trans Atlantic</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Maybe Mal can turn up the wick so his CW could be heard over here? How 
  much power can you generate Mal? Warren has a 10w ERP limit which should be 
  plenty<SPAN class=moz-smiley-s5><SPAN> :-D&nbsp; </SPAN></SPAN>What do you 
  think Warren? Do you have a pair of 4CX10000's laying around, they gotta hear 
  YA over there then<SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN> :-P 
  </SPAN></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
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  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi 
  Mike</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think I could 
  manage a CW QSO with the USA. I have plenty of antennas and hardware suitable 
  for the job. Its just a matter of setting the gear up again now that I have 
  diverted my attention to 160m dxing. Worked JT1CO the other nite along with 
  some W stns, nothing really new cos I have worked plent of USA stns before 
  also JT1.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>On LF I have 
  worked the Russian stns on normal CW a few times so do not see the USA as a 
  problem provided. I have been heard on CW in the Boston area some years ago 
  and also in VE1.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>So far Mike no 
  one in the USA seems bothered about making a CW qso across the deep blue. I am 
  not interested in reporting beacons anymore its old hat now. They are blowing 
  my head off most of the time, part of the qrm scene 
  hi</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let me know what 
  develops. I am going to GI land soon for a few weeks and if there was enough 
  interest I could fire up from there. I have a 120 ft tower over there for LF 
  work. </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tnx Mike for the 
  info and have a MERRY XMAS and HNY and greeting to all the other&nbsp;great 
  and mighty radio amateurs &nbsp;across in the USA. There are some BIG signals 
  on 160 coming my way I wish they would switch to LF so that I can have that CW 
  QSO !!!</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>My callbook 
  address is wrong on QRZ.COM and the other c/books think of all the cards going 
  astray. </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>De 
  Mal/G3KEV</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=moz-smiley-s4><SPAN><FONT face=Arial 
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  <DIV><BR><BR>Merry Christmas to all...<BR><BR>Mike<BR><BR>G0MRF 
  wrote:<BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite" cite="midd6.1c9b9785.2efd97f2@aol.com">
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    <DIV>
    <DIV>In a message dated 24/12/2004 15:06:53 GMT Standard Time, k2ors 
    writes:</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE 
    style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT 
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      <DIV>Brian,</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp; Thank you for the capture! I'm very pleased with the results. 
      I just acquired a Decca Tx, and it will take a few weeks for me to make 
      the modifications, power supply etc. That should give me a considerably 
      better signal (+7dB or so).</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;Assuming that goes well, I'd be interested in knowing if there 
      any stations 'across the pond' available for a two-way QSO?</DIV>
      <DIV>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
    <DIV>Lots I should think.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>BTW........has a claim been made for the AMRAD / RSGB / DARC 
    transatlantic prize for the first QSO&nbsp;with the USA?</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>I remember&nbsp; UK to canada was awarded to 4 stations with a 'joint 
    first' but do I recall there was a seperate catagory for 'USA' as opposed to 
    'NA'?</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Anyway, seems the licensing arrangements will finally allow a 2 way to 
    happen.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>Good luck...............</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>David</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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k2ors@comcast.net schrieb:
> Good info Steve. I picked my current frequency to avoid Loran interference in
>  Europe. looks like I should try for something else.
> 73 & Happy Holidays
> Warren
>
>
Hi Warren,

abt 5mHz up or down would do.

Regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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I have been waiting all year for this.  I hope there are four happy stations
across the water this morning.

http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/best_overnight_argo_capture.htm

Season's greeting to all on the reflector. Brian CT1DRP



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> I have been waiting all year for this.  I hope there are four happy
stations
> across the water this morning.
>
> http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/best_overnight_argo_capture.htm
>
Nice pictures Brian. Well done to all concerned.

Happy  DogXmas to all LFers

Peter, G3LDO

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> For my part, Ho Ho Ho! Thanks!

> John A.

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Merry Christmas!

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<P>Excellent conditions last night see attached pic.</P>
<P>Merry Christmas to all.</P>
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Laurie,

I have so many screen shots of G3AQC here from 73 and 136 kHz, that it's
nice to finally have one from the other direction!

Merry Christmas.

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Happy Christmas all. Im set up on rx is a small settlement some 60 miles N 
of anchorage, Alaska and my gps says its bp51fp. I have set up a smallish 
loop some 40m in circumference and resonated using the split cap method 
using 1 and 22n. I can "see" dcf39 over the pole even though its 20z and 
fully light here, the sun came up about an hour ago at appx 10am local.

The set up isnt ideal - I need more preamp gain on the 817 or a bigger loop 
and as Im in a birch forest can sling up something bigger but lacking the 
wire today. There are, as ever, moose around so the lowest is above "rack" 
height.

Temps down to around -30C here and pretty cold with a biting wind at times.

Live (if the DSL stays up) "what" Im looking/listening at on "argo 1" on the 
web site, "argo 2" is my transmitting signals as being transmitted from 
Oklahoma :-

http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/dx00000.jpg

- this pc doesnt have the high screen res on the home unit and I cant put 
mulitple screens up unfortunately.


Laurence KL1X




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 &nbsp;Since the FCC has not allocated 136 for the amateur service, the question is would the sponsoring organizations recognize an experimental Part 5 U.S. station contacting a European amateur station as a valid contact?<BR>
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Hi Warren<BR>
I would like to know whether there have been changes in your licensing<BR>
permit. I had been prepared for lots of QSOs on 137, having &quot;beaconed&quot; there<BR>
for the past several years. However - I have temporarily pulled the switch after<BR>
hearing it would be impossible - ie. you could only QSO with similarly licensed<BR>
U.S. stations. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Cdn permit allows QSOs, so it was disappointing to hear<BR>
that information.<BR>
<BR>
By the way, copied you 24 hours straight here in London this week.... let ARGO<BR>
&quot;capture&quot; you and John and XDW / XFX for the 24 hour period - interesting<BR>
day-night propagation !<BR>
<BR>
73 and Happy Christmas<BR>
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Mitch &nbsp;VE3OT</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Re: LF: Trans AtlanticMitch,

The situation is a little odd. The rules say that communication can only
take place between licensees in the Experimental service, but upon
application,  the FCC can authorize communication with other services.

The trick is that they don't write it in your license. It appears that if
you mention it in the text of your proposal, and they don't shoot it down,
you've got it. Warren did that, and so did Laurence, as I recall. Being a
darned fool, I didn't! Actually, I'm in the process of trying to correct
that...we'll see what happens.

Anyway, I believe that 2-way communication should be legal between the VE's
and the Part 5-ers who requested the ability to communicate with amateurs in
countries that permit use of the band.

John A.



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<DIV>Hi Mitch,</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm very encouraged that you had copy over a 24 hour period!&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>The FCC Part 5 rules basically allow anything that you can justify, the default condition is that you can communicate only with other Part 5 stations. I think that some other Part 5 applicants took that to mean that the FCC takes a dim view of communicating with other services, and they didn't ask for communication with non-Part 5 stations. As John Andrews pointed out, I requested and was granted the privelege of communicating with foreign amateur radio service stations. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; When I originally applied for the license, I specifically had you and VO1NA in mind, as I thought that the trans-Atlantic distances may be beyond my ability. It turns out that I've copied across the pond numerous times in the past 6 weeks or so, even with fairly modest power (250 watts). Now I'm trying to get a kW + output power online to make the copy easier across the waters. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; One other detail, at the moment I generate QRSS with a pre-programmed chip (K-ID by K1EL). I would have to hook up a computer to be able to generate messages on the fly for a QSO.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; Let me know if you are still interested in a QSO, if so, I'll get everything together on my end to make it happen!</DIV>
<DIV>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>&nbsp;Since the FCC has not allocated 136 for the amateur service, the question is would the sponsoring organizations recognize an experimental Part 5 U.S. station contacting a European amateur station as a valid contact?<BR><BR>Hi Warren<BR>I would like to know whether there have been changes in your licensing<BR>permit. I had been prepared for lots of QSOs on 137, having "beaconed" there<BR>for the past several years. However - I have temporarily pulled the switch after<BR>hearing it would be impossible - ie. you could only QSO with similarly licensed<BR>U.S. stations. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Cdn permit allows QSOs, so it was disappointing to hear<BR>that information.<BR><BR>By the way, copied you 24 hours straight here in London this week.... let ARGO<BR>"capture" you and John and XDW / XFX for the 24 hour period - interesting<BR>day-night propagation !<BR><BR>73 and Happy Christmas<BR><BR>Mitch &nbsp;VE3OT</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>

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> 
> I have posted this email before from James Dean, VE3IQ, the IC liason with
> RAC.  In it he advises on communication with stations outside of the amateur
> service.

Thanks Scott - I had not seen that before - and it is an excellent review of
the 136 kHz situation. Jim certainly cleared up a lot of the questions, and
"un-muddified" the waters. I appreciate getting the copy.

John and Warren : I really hope that you are able to clarify your permit and
operating conditions as you describe, and am looking forward to the day when
136 might actually be a designated band for two-way operation in North
America.

Thanks all for the input and comments.

Mitch 



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Scott,

Thanks for the reminder from the VE side. I now remember an earlier email
exchange on that subject. And I do agree with your caution in not straying
from the purpose of the grant.

I suppose the same argument could be made from elsewhere. Has anyone plumbed
the depths of U.K. officialdom on the subject of communicating with
non-Amateur services? Or is it best just to leave such things alone?

The problem is actually not with making the 2-way contact; it is with the
resulting publicity! If such news were confined to a small group of
experimenters, nothing would probably come from it.

John Andrews




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT size=4>I am not a bounty 
hunter and would not claim any award if I happened to be the first to work a cw 
qso across to the USA. Who</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT 
size=4>ever I work can have the two pieces of silver.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>The qso should be completed within a reasonable 
time from the start and not a bits and pieces qso like has happened in the past, 
some hours, days or weeks later. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>The LF business is similar to 160 metres and the 
qso should be conducted in the same manner. It is not a EME qso. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>I am sceptical about some two way contacts that 
have been reported in the past. The rules were made up as they went along. I 
have spoken to many&nbsp;others engaged in&nbsp;LF/MF DXING and they 
agree&nbsp;with the procedures that&nbsp;I suggest.&nbsp;One station in the past 
in VE&nbsp;claiming success had his transmitting site hundreds of miles from the 
receiving site and&nbsp;it has been pointed out recently that in the past in VE 
the licence was issued&nbsp;for&nbsp;a site at that time and therefore using two 
sites invalidates the claim. &nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Some fair play and one set of rules should be the 
requirement, being first is not that important. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>73 de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
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Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic


> Scott,
>
> Thanks for the reminder from the VE side. I now remember an earlier email
> exchange on that subject. And I do agree with your caution in not straying
> from the purpose of the grant.
>
> I suppose the same argument could be made from elsewhere. Has anyone
plumbed
> the depths of U.K. officialdom on the subject of communicating with
> non-Amateur services? Or is it best just to leave such things alone?
>
> The problem is actually not with making the 2-way contact; it is with the
> resulting publicity! If such news were confined to a small group of
> experimenters, nothing would probably come from it.
>
> John Andrews

Hi John and Group
My licence EI2AE says Experimenters Licence and not Radio Amateur Licence. I
expect all EI licences say the same.
Maybe it has been changed to accommodate recripocal licensing arrangements
with other countries that specify Radio Amateur Licence. The main point
being that anyone can interwork between EI and the rest of the world, so by
the same logic I do not think there would be a problem in the UK working an
experimental type station in the USA or elswhere.
The problem might be at your end if it specifically states only inter PART
15 contacts.
So you take a chance or you  dont!!!!!!!! If we were all closed down would
it make that much difference!!
de Mal/G3KEV


>
>
>



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hamilton mal wrote:
> Some fair play and one set of rules should be the requirement, being 
> first is not that important.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV

Being the Greatest, like you, is all that 
counts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






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Quite a bit of QRS activity today. G3XIZ seemed to be 
having a great time working all comers. I saw F6CWA, 
DF0WD, PA0BWL and DF6NM.

Called CQ early using CW, but no takers. Most of the day I 
was too busy to transmit.

Copied HA6PC at 'M' on QRSS3, calling CQ, but he did not 
reply to my calls. Also interesting was DF0WD sending a 
Christmas tree image using Hell.

As usual, more info and pics at:
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk

Mike, G3XDV
===========



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Regardless of appellations used in the licence, a station transmitting for
pure amateur pleasure with no professional/commercial intent is by all
standards of English usage...

an "amateur radio station"...[your honor, My Lord, Judge, Maitre, Ref.  )
etc.

G3GVB


----- Original Message -----
From: hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:10 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic
>
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder from the VE side. I now remember an earlier
email
> > exchange on that subject. And I do agree with your caution in not
straying
> > from the purpose of the grant.
> >
> > I suppose the same argument could be made from elsewhere. Has anyone
> plumbed
> > the depths of U.K. officialdom on the subject of communicating with
> > non-Amateur services? Or is it best just to leave such things alone?
> >
> > The problem is actually not with making the 2-way contact; it is with
the
> > resulting publicity! If such news were confined to a small group of
> > experimenters, nothing would probably come from it.
> >
> > John Andrews
>
> Hi John and Group
> My licence EI2AE says Experimenters Licence and not Radio Amateur Licence.
I
> expect all EI licences say the same.
> Maybe it has been changed to accommodate recripocal licensing arrangements
> with other countries that specify Radio Amateur Licence. The main point
> being that anyone can interwork between EI and the rest of the world, so
by
> the same logic I do not think there would be a problem in the UK working
an
> experimental type station in the USA or elswhere.
> The problem might be at your end if it specifically states only inter PART
> 15 contacts.
> So you take a chance or you  dont!!!!!!!! If we were all closed down would
> it make that much difference!!
> de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Dear Group

My primary concern lies in the popularization of such communications and the
possible backlash we could get from the authorities if these QSOs start to
make their life difficult as it starts pushing the bounds of THEIR intent
for granting experimental permits.

I think the Canadian matter could be simply clarified by interested stations
contacting James Dean at RAC and requesting the 'grace and favour' of the
minister to conduct such an experiment.  However, IC has been granting
experimental authorization to those proposing propagation experiments and
may not be interested in possibly upsetting the FCC's sensibilities about
creating a defacto ham band on 2200m yet and creating a precedent for other
services wishing to intercommunicate with the amateur service.

>From what I understand from some communication I have received 2200m will
likely become a Canadian amatuer band at WAC-2007.  Their seems to be a
rising amount of backroom consenuous on the idea and this is a wonderful
thing considering that we share the band with our defense department.  See
the communication below for some further insight into the 2200m situation in
Canada.

Our behaviour now may have reprecussions in those "corridor negotiations at
Geneva."  Considering the fragile state of global politics and the
sensibilities of some nations, any unilateral behavoiur on the part of a
couple of us may turn the favour away from our common intent of a world wide
2200m amatuer band.

Remember the primary purpose in THEIR eyes, for our experiments, is that we
must prove that we won't create problems either electromagneticly OR
politically.

Respectfully,

Scott, VE7TIL

Quoting Ken VE3PU:

> Hi Steve,
> Congratulations !
> Yes, I will certainly put that news item on the web site.
>
> Things are looking good for a wprld wide 2200 Metre band.
>
> Canada has once again decided to support us, and said so in a preliminary
view
> released to the Americas at a meeting last week in Buenos Aires.
> Europe is on Board too. Some Arab and Pacific countries will be opposed,
but
> there is still time for lots of corridor negotiations at Geneva.
> Any information you can dig up to show that you don't interfere with local
> power utilities, or with the Naval transmissons to submarines would be of
great
> help in our discussions.
>
> 73, Ken
> VE3PU


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Laurence

No sign of DCF39 down here; however, that doesn't surprise me... Being in
noise central and much further south only Steve has had fleeting glimpses of
it...

The rain has stopped and the antenna current is back over 3.25A.

80m seems to be going long tonight and seemed excellent late last night into
eastern Canada. CHU on 3330KHz was 20over 9 for most of the predawn hours...

I'll be poking about tonight...  VY1JA reported XDW from Whitehorse YK last
night...

73 Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
To: <lowfer@lwca.org>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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> Day 1 - slung up a bigger loop with the main plane at 067 deg which is a
> compromise between Eu and our stateside friends. Temps were about -30C
> overnight but have risen today and now its calm snowing and -15c. Strong
> Katabatic winds made travelling interesting with tunnel like winds only
> about about 800m across but winds inside peaked 40 knots and temps some
25F
> warmer - its a strange world.
>
> Overnight conditions to europe and long distance to the lower 48 States
were
> "poor" as I can remember from past years ops here - I was also peeved at
> losing overnight data. This computer has a protected registry and locks
the
> screen after 20 mins of  no key action; I cant change it officially as it
> negates securitry policy but Ive loaded a spoof trick program called
> "mousemove" which moves the mouse after a predetermined time and keeps the
> screen alive and captures to the web operating. Conditions tonight
(26/27th)
> to Eu are better and so far about 7 dB up on yesterday but Im missing long
> range Loran lines -  The loop was compared against a 200 ft at 35ft loaded
> long wire and spotty earth and the loop won hands down. I guess the larger
> loop took about 20 minutes to get up and another 20 mins to tune using a
> baby alarm and switch mode psu noiz as a source.
>
> Moose vistations last night didnt cause bedlam with the wires but I did
see
> the chickadees trying the insulation for taste - no squirrels here.
>
> Keeping fingers crossed that the Dst continues its downward motion - also
> qrv on HF if anyone wants a CW qso - Im on qrp. If conditions improve Ill
> look on lowfer too.
>
>
> laurence KL1X bp51fp wasilla Alaska (in the mountains)
>
> ps Live data on argo 1 and 3 on http://myweb.cableone.net/flow
> XDW continues on air from Oklahoma - dont know why the web cam is
producing
> VK7 type signals.
>
>
>


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Day 1 - slung up a bigger loop with the main plane at 067 deg which is a 
compromise between Eu and our stateside friends. Temps were about -30C 
overnight but have risen today and now its calm snowing and -15c. Strong 
Katabatic winds made travelling interesting with tunnel like winds only 
about about 800m across but winds inside peaked 40 knots and temps some 25F 
warmer - its a strange world.

Overnight conditions to europe and long distance to the lower 48 States were 
"poor" as I can remember from past years ops here - I was also peeved at 
losing overnight data. This computer has a protected registry and locks the 
screen after 20 mins of  no key action; I cant change it officially as it 
negates securitry policy but Ive loaded a spoof trick program called 
"mousemove" which moves the mouse after a predetermined time and keeps the 
screen alive and captures to the web operating. Conditions tonight (26/27th) 
to Eu are better and so far about 7 dB up on yesterday but Im missing long 
range Loran lines -  The loop was compared against a 200 ft at 35ft loaded 
long wire and spotty earth and the loop won hands down. I guess the larger  
loop took about 20 minutes to get up and another 20 mins to tune using a 
baby alarm and switch mode psu noiz as a source.

Moose vistations last night didnt cause bedlam with the wires but I did see 
the chickadees trying the insulation for taste - no squirrels here.

Keeping fingers crossed that the Dst continues its downward motion - also 
qrv on HF if anyone wants a CW qso - Im on qrp. If conditions improve Ill 
look on lowfer too.


laurence KL1X bp51fp wasilla Alaska (in the mountains)

ps Live data on argo 1 and 3 on http://myweb.cableone.net/flow
XDW continues on air from Oklahoma - dont know why the web cam is producing 
VK7 type signals.




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Hello Lowfers,
yes it is a gap. A residuous gap of two core halves with lapped surfaces is still a gap. It will reduce relative permeability and remanent flux. It is better to use core halves with a bit greater gapmade of a layer of insulating tape  (0,05 mm thickness ) on both  sides of a core half.  Lowering remanent flux from 180 mt (ungapped ring core) to about 30 mT gapped will rise magnetic swing in mMilli-Tesla. Thats what counts.  If You take out the spacers of a deflection transformer, You get agood core for a forward converter SMPS or a 136 kHz PA. 

55, Hans-Albrecht 
DK 8 ND


rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 24.12.04 10:55:28:
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james moritz" <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
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> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:31 AM
> Subject: LF: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx
> 
> 
> Dear Gary, LF Group,
> 
> You need one without an air gap - the air gap will drastically reduce the
> winding inductance, unfortunately.
> 
> Hi All
> I have used these cores and noticed no difference between them and a
> continuous type core. I put the two core halves together tightly and used
> the same number of turns as used on the continuous core, maybe I was lucky.
> What does Jim call a gap? If they are tight together is that considered a
> gap? Must the core be totally continuous?
> de Mal/G3KEV
> 



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Please clarify for this [LF}  newbie  Are these vertical or horizontal
loops?  What dimensions?

G3GVB   [ just acquired a cross-bow for shooting ant. halyards over trees.]

>

> Day 1 - slung up a bigger loop with the main plane at 067 deg which is a
> > compromise between Eu and our stateside friends. > > to Eu are better
and so far about 7 dB up on yesterday but Im missing long range Loran
lines -

** The loop was compared against a 200 ft at 35ft loaded
> > long wire and spotty earth and the loop won hands down. I guess the
larger
> > loop took about 20 minutes to get up and another 20 mins to tune using a
> > baby alarm and switch mode psu noiz as a source.***
>



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http://www.thepittsfieldinn.com/Bill/  gives some great detail on loop 
construction.

mine is 40ft up, 200ft along, 40ft down and returns about 6ft back. The 
connections are in a small box - mine has a 1nF cap (shd be 2) in series 
with the inner of the thin coax to one side of the loop, other side of the 
loop is connected to the outer of the coax, and the resonating cap to bring 
it to 137Khz across the loop (and defacto inner to outer of coax) is around 
13.5nF

its cheap - easyish and I used a 2.5 pound weight to throw it up the  silver 
birch tree (Im in weight training!)

Laurence kl1x bp51fp

>From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Alaska - no sigs yet
>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:31:22 -0000
>
>Please clarify for this [LF}  newbie  Are these vertical or horizontal
>loops?  What dimensions?
>
>G3GVB   [ just acquired a cross-bow for shooting ant. halyards over trees.]
>
> >
>
> > Day 1 - slung up a bigger loop with the main plane at 067 deg which is a
> > > compromise between Eu and our stateside friends. > > to Eu are better
>and so far about 7 dB up on yesterday but Im missing long range Loran
>lines -
>
>** The loop was compared against a 200 ft at 35ft loaded
> > > long wire and spotty earth and the loop won hands down. I guess the
>larger
> > > loop took about 20 minutes to get up and another 20 mins to tune using 
>a
> > > baby alarm and switch mode psu noiz as a source.***
> >
>
>




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Wow!  that was a prompt reply.. Thank You, It is too early  the 'morning
after '  here for me to work out what time you have but I guess you must be
mid evening yesterday.-ish. I'm not in weight training [ unless you count
"putting on too much weight ":-) ] so will assemble my new  pistol
cross-bow with associated  fishing reel/Nylon line in Sussex coastal
suburbia.  Not many Moose tho' I may be tempted to fire at a few B***
squirrels

It is far better to shoot halyards hopefully than to arrive with ready made
product  ....

I assume it matters not where you feed it

73  Bryan


----- Original Message -----
From: Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:43 AM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: Alaska - no sigs yet


> http://www.thepittsfieldinn.com/Bill/  gives some great detail on loop
> construction.
>
> mine is 40ft up, 200ft along, 40ft down and returns about 6ft back. The
> connections are in a small box - mine has a 1nF cap (shd be 2) in series
> with the inner of the thin coax to one side of the loop, other side of the
> loop is connected to the outer of the coax, and the resonating cap to
bring
> it to 137Khz across the loop (and defacto inner to outer of coax) is
around
> 13.5nF
>
> its cheap - easyish and I used a 2.5 pound weight to throw it up the
silver
> birch tree (Im in weight training!)
>
> Laurence kl1x bp51fp
>
> >From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >Subject: LF: Re: Re: Alaska - no sigs yet
> >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 05:31:22 -0000
> >
> >Please clarify for this [LF}  newbie  Are these vertical or horizontal
> >loops?  What dimensions?
> >
> >G3GVB   [ just acquired a cross-bow for shooting ant. halyards over
trees.]
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Day 1 - slung up a bigger loop with the main plane at 067 deg which is
a
> > > > compromise between Eu and our stateside friends. > > to Eu are
better
> >and so far about 7 dB up on yesterday but Im missing long range Loran
> >lines -
> >
> >** The loop was compared against a 200 ft at 35ft loaded
> > > > long wire and spotty earth and the loop won hands down. I guess the
> >larger
> > > > loop took about 20 minutes to get up and another 20 mins to tune
using
> >a
> > > > baby alarm and switch mode psu noiz as a source.***
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>



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Laurence - just arrived back on the island for another week...shall I turn
the beacon on for a bit?

Steve / VE7SL


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At some point in the next week, I'd like to try a WOLF beaconing session,
with the hope that it could be copied across the pond. This can't be done in
the 137.78 kHz "watering hole" due to the bandwidth required. If anyone is
interested in trying to receive it, I'll need some guidance about the choice
of frequency. Ideally, there should be a couple of Hz clear of Loran (or
other constant-frequency signals)on each side.

To date, only Jim Moritz (with a much better transmitting setup than mine)
has made the crossing with WOLF. This was in March, 2001, and there has been
no follow-up. This is the only text-based mode thus far with weak signal
capability similar to QRSS60.

Any volunteers or advice would be appreciated.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch
WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com




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At 06:56 PM 12/27/2004 -0000, John, WD2XES wrote:
>At some point in the next week, I'd like to try a WOLF beaconing session,
>with the hope that it could be copied across the pond. This can't be done in
>the 137.78 kHz "watering hole" due to the bandwidth required. If anyone is
>interested in trying to receive it, I'll need some guidance about the choice
>of frequency. Ideally, there should be a couple of Hz clear of Loran (or
>other constant-frequency signals)on each side.
>
>To date, only Jim Moritz (with a much better transmitting setup than mine)
>has made the crossing with WOLF. This was in March, 2001, and there has been
>no follow-up. This is the only text-based mode thus far with weak signal
>capability similar to QRSS60.
>
>Any volunteers or advice would be appreciated.

WOLF uses BPSK at MS100, so any carriers which are at exact multiples
of 10 Hz away from the nominal frequency will be orthogonal, hence
notched out.  Conversely, any signals at odd multiples of 5 Hz from
the nominal carrier frequency will interfere most severely and should
be avoided.

Bill VE2IQ



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Hi Uwe,

Is this you.?

Vy73 Ingolf OZ7QC
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From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
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> Hi all,
>
> DJ8WX will transmitt on 135922,4Hz in QRSS30 beginnig today at 1830UTC 
> with
> 5 times 110min intervals.
>
> reports welcome (S+N/N pse). some weeks later Ill start an other test with 
> the
> same matching equipment but located five metre higher (in a raised hide).
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
> 

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Hi Uwe,

I found you, as usual wery strong signal from you her in Roskilde.
I still dont have any LF TX ready to reply to you but working on it.

Are you still traveling to the Roskilde Festival

Vy73 and mary Xmas
Ingolf OZ7QC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:07 PM
Subject: LF: DJ8WX beacon


> Hi all,
>
> DJ8WX will transmitt on 135922,4Hz in QRSS30 beginnig today at 1830UTC 
> with
> 5 times 110min intervals.
>
> reports welcome (S+N/N pse). some weeks later Ill start an other test with 
> the
> same matching equipment but located five metre higher (in a raised hide).
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
> 

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Hi Uwe,

Good signal as seen in capture 2138z in NW England IO83qp.

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Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of jannsen
Sent: 27 December 2004 18:07
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: DJ8WX beacon


Hi all,

DJ8WX will transmitt on 135922,4Hz in QRSS30 beginnig today at 1830UTC with
5 times 110min intervals.

reports welcome (S+N/N pse). some weeks later Ill start an other test with
the
same matching equipment but located five metre higher (in a raised hide).

regards
Uwe/dj8wx


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Dear Mal, 
yes, it is better to have a gap, but it may be very small, so just an gap of a layer of insulating tape or a layer of varnish.  Just to keep low the remanent flux of the core.  Do not use carbonyle iron cores (powder cores) or gapped ferrites  with a gap of about 1 % of magnetic path length. Use a deflection transformer, the magnetic material is best for  136 k.  Its better than a 62 mm toroid without any gap.
55, Hans- Albrecht 
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 27.12.04 16:00:07:
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" <dk8nd@web.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:34 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx is this a gap?
> 
> 
> > Hello Lowfers,
> > yes it is a gap. A residuous gap of two core halves with lapped surfaces
> is still a gap. It will reduce relative permeability and remanent flux. It
> is better to use core halves with a bit greater gapmade of a layer of
> insulating tape  (0,05 mm thickness ) on both  sides of a core half.
> Lowering remanent flux from 180 mt (ungapped ring core) to about 30 mT
> gapped will rise magnetic swing in mMilli-Tesla. Thats what counts.  If You
> 
take out the spacers of a deflection transformer, You get agood core for a
> forward converter SMPS or a 136 kHz PA.
> 
> Hi Hans
> If I understand you correctly, it is better to have a gap for a 136 khz PA.
> 

de Mal/G3KEV
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> > 55, Hans-Albrecht
> > DK 8 ND
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> > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 24.12.04 10:55:28:
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "james moritz" <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
> > > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:31 AM
> > > Subject: LF: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Gary, LF Group,
> > >
> > > You need one without an air gap - the air gap will drastically reduce
> the
> > > winding inductance, unfortunately.
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > > I have used these cores and noticed no difference between them and a
> > > continuous type core. I put the two core halves together tightly and
> used
> > > the same number of turns as used on the continuous core, maybe I was
> lucky.
> > > What does Jim call a gap? If they are tight together is that considered
> a
> > > gap? Must the core be totally continuous?
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Hartmut,

Wow, that's good for this hour. It must be quieter there tonight.

John A.



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Seeing a great big signal from DCF39 tonight at sunset...the strongest I
have ever seen.

Steve / VE7SL



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Steve,
is the beacon on? One rx is running on 137.573

73
Hartmut

> Seeing a great big signal from DCF39 tonight at sunset...the strongest I
> have ever seen.

> Steve / VE7SL


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OK...coming on now for a few hours...QRSS30

...sending "SL"

>
>
> Steve,
> is the beacon on? One rx is running on 137.573
>
> 73
> Hartmut
>
> > Seeing a great big signal from DCF39 tonight at sunset...the strongest I
> > have ever seen.
>
> > Steve / VE7SL
>
>
>



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Thanks, Steve

73

Hartmut


> OK...coming on now for a few hours...QRSS30

> ...sending "SL"

>>
>>
>> Steve,
>> is the beacon on? One rx is running on 137.573
>>
>> 73
>> Hartmut
>>
>> > Seeing a great big signal from DCF39 tonight at sunset...the strongest I
>> > have ever seen.
>>
>> > Steve / VE7SL
>>
>>
>>



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Laurence

it looked like traces of your signal here in the hour leading up to your
sunrise this morning. This was the first sighting for some time. No sign of
the other NA signals.

Mike ZL4OL


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From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
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thanks Mike - conditions up here in AK are not so good at the moment, even 
though my friends dows south are getting good signals.

Local loran lines to 500 miles  are stronger this evening but dcf39 isnt 
strong at all - dont you just love this propagation variations..

Laurence defrosting himself from skiing....
bp51fp

>From: "McAlevey" <mcalevey@xtra.co.nz>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Subject: LF: Re: XDW CurrentCam
>Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:18:54 +1300
>
>Laurence
>
>it looked like traces of your signal here in the hour leading up to your
>sunrise this morning. This was the first sighting for some time. No sign of
>the other NA signals.
>
>Mike ZL4OL
>
>




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Switching now to QRSS60 until sunrise ~ 1600Z

"SL"   at  137.5735  

Steve / VE7SL


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----- Original Message -----
From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic


> Regardless of appellations used in the licence, a station transmitting for
> pure amateur pleasure with no professional/commercial intent is by all
> standards of English usage...

Will you rush out to the RESCUE when they are all locked up !!

>
> an "amateur radio station"...[your honor, My Lord, Judge, Maitre, Ref.  )
> etc.
>
> G3GVB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic
> >
> >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reminder from the VE side. I now remember an earlier
> email
> > > exchange on that subject. And I do agree with your caution in not
> straying
> > > from the purpose of the grant.
> > >
> > > I suppose the same argument could be made from elsewhere. Has anyone
> > plumbed
> > > the depths of U.K. officialdom on the subject of communicating with
> > > non-Amateur services? Or is it best just to leave such things alone?
> > >
> > > The problem is actually not with making the 2-way contact; it is with
> the
> > > resulting publicity! If such news were confined to a small group of
> > > experimenters, nothing would probably come from it.
> > >
> > > John Andrews
> >
> > Hi John and Group
> > My licence EI2AE says Experimenters Licence and not Radio Amateur
Licence.
> I
> > expect all EI licences say the same.
> > Maybe it has been changed to accommodate recripocal licensing
arrangements
> > with other countries that specify Radio Amateur Licence. The main point
> > being that anyone can interwork between EI and the rest of the world, so
> by
> > the same logic I do not think there would be a problem in the UK working
> an
> > experimental type station in the USA or elswhere.
> > The problem might be at your end if it specifically states only inter
PART
> > 15 contacts.
> > So you take a chance or you  dont!!!!!!!! If we were all closed down
would
> > it make that much difference!!
> > de Mal/G3KEV
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Only weak trace of VO1NA her in Denmark but one 
good this morning at 07:32 UTC in QSS30 mode.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Vy 73 and a Hapy New Year</FONT></DIV>
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> Our behaviour now may have reprecussions in those "corridor
> negotiations at Geneva."  Considering the fragile state of global
> politics and the sensibilities of some nations, any unilateral
> behavoiur on the part of a couple of us may turn the favour away from
> our common intent of a world wide 2200m amatuer band.
> Remember the primary purpose in THEIR eyes, for our experiments, is
> that we must prove that we won't create problems either
> electromagneticly OR politically.
> Scott, VE7TIL

I was involved with negotiations between the RSGB and the 
UK licensing authority for many years, both as a volunteer 
and a member of staff, and agree entirely with Scott's 
comments.

My experience is that authorities are happy to encourage 
experimentation, provided there is no impact on other 
services. What they do not like is amateurs taking 
advantage and bending the rules, or seeking loopholes in 
the rules. The reference to "corridor negotiations" is 
accurate at national and international level, and relies on 
trust between the parties. This trust is damaged by 
unilateral action and 'boat rocking' by individuals. Patience 
is the keyword - responsible use of a small concession is 
often followed by a larger concession. Most facilities we 
take for granted now (including most of our bands) were 
illegal once.

Mike, G3XDV
==========
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk




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Absolutely. They need only send CQD or SOS.......but of course if they can't
send morse then .......???

Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
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Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic
>
>
> > Regardless of appellations used in the licence, a station transmitting
for
> > pure amateur pleasure with no professional/commercial intent is by all
> > standards of English usage...
>
> Will you rush out to the RESCUE when they are all locked up !!
>
> >
> > an "amateur radio station"...[your honor, My Lord, Judge, Maitre,
ef.  )
> > etc.
> >
> > G3GVB
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
> > > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic
> > >
> > >
> > > > Scott,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the reminder from the VE side. I now remember an earlier
> > email
> > > > exchange on that subject. And I do agree with your caution in not
> > straying
> > > > from the purpose of the grant.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose the same argument could be made from elsewhere. Has anyone
> > > plumbed
> > > > the depths of U.K. officialdom on the subject of communicating with
> > > > non-Amateur services? Or is it best just to leave such things alone?
> > > >
> > > > The problem is actually not with making the 2-way contact; it is
with
> > the
> > > > resulting publicity! If such news were confined to a small group of
> > > > experimenters, nothing would probably come from it.
> > > >
> > > > John Andrews
> > >
> > > Hi John and Group
> > > My licence EI2AE says Experimenters Licence and not Radio Amateur
> Licence.
> > I
> > > expect all EI licences say the same.
> > > Maybe it has been changed to accommodate recripocal licensing
> arrangements
> > > with other countries that specify Radio Amateur Licence. The main
point
> > > being that anyone can interwork between EI and the rest of the world,
so
> > by
> > > the same logic I do not think there would be a problem in the UK
working
> > an
> > > experimental type station in the USA or elswhere.
> > > The problem might be at your end if it specifically states only inter
> PART
> > > 15 contacts.
> > > So you take a chance or you  dont!!!!!!!! If we were all closed down
> would
> > > it make that much difference!!
> > > de Mal/G3KEV
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Without time travel the nature of a transmission is unchanged by its later
detection.

Exactly how does a transmission on a permitted frequency in one country
become offensive if its later reception is acknowledged in another country
by a transmission on a different frequency which is authorised there ?

Radio Amateurs are neither fifth formers nor should feel need to be
apologetic.

I do not for a moment advocate acting irresponsibly ,but that should not
degenerate into Kow-Towing..we elected "them" and not them us.!

Bryan



----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic


> > Our behaviour now may have reprecussions in those "corridor
> > negotiations at Geneva."  Considering the fragile state of global
> > politics and the sensibilities of some nations, any unilateral
> > behavoiur on the part of a couple of us may turn the favour away from
> > our common intent of a world wide 2200m amatuer band.
> > Remember the primary purpose in THEIR eyes, for our experiments, is
> > that we must prove that we won't create problems either
> > electromagneticly OR politically.
> > Scott, VE7TIL
>
> I was involved with negotiations between the RSGB and the
> UK licensing authority for many years, both as a volunteer
> and a member of staff, and agree entirely with Scott's
> comments.
>
> My experience is that authorities are happy to encourage
> experimentation, provided there is no impact on other
> services. What they do not like is amateurs taking
> advantage and bending the rules, or seeking loopholes in
> the rules. The reference to "corridor negotiations" is
> accurate at national and international level, and relies on
> trust between the parties. This trust is damaged by
> unilateral action and 'boat rocking' by individuals. Patience
> is the keyword - responsible use of a small concession is
> often followed by a larger concession. Most facilities we
> take for granted now (including most of our bands) were
> illegal once.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
> http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk
>
>
>
>


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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:WarmSpgs@aol.com">WarmSpgs@aol.com</a> wrote:
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  <div><font face="Arial">It's not the initial transmission that
commits the offense.&nbsp; It's the "acknowledgement" which is the
problem;&nbsp;not because it's on a different frequency, but because it
constitutes&nbsp;communication with a station operating&nbsp;in a&nbsp;DIFFERENT
SERVICE.</font></div>
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<div>And what if this "acknowledgment" is in its turn transmitted not
directly addressed to the acknowledged station,<br>
but in a form of a beacon message, reporting just a list of heard
stations, with the relative signal strenghts?<br>
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<DIV>In a message dated 12/28/2004 6:53:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>&gt;Exactly how does a transmission on a permitted frequency in one country</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&gt;b<FONT face=Arial>ecome offensive if its later reception is acknowledged in another country<BR>&gt;by a transmission on a different frequency which is authorised there ?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It's not the initial transmission that commits the offense.&nbsp; It's the "acknowledgement" which is the problem;&nbsp;not because it's on a different frequency, but because it constitutes&nbsp;communication with a station operating&nbsp;in a&nbsp;DIFFERENT SERVICE.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>If both stations are authorized to communicate in the amateur service, most administrations have few restrictions on cross-band contact.&nbsp; That's not the issue.&nbsp; However, most have restrictions on what sort of communication IS authorised on any given frequency, and that includes with whom the communication is permitted.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR>&gt; ..we elected "them" and not them us.!</DIV>
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<DIV>We elect "them" to do a job, and that is what they do by creating and enforcing&nbsp;regulations.&nbsp; In a representative democracy, if we're dissatisfied with the result,&nbsp;we can try to&nbsp;replace "them" at election time.&nbsp; That's all "we elected 'them'" signifies...it's no license to follow our own whims,&nbsp;just as&nbsp;it's no guarantee our fellow citizens will always exhibit common sense at the ballot box.&nbsp; It's&nbsp;still better than the alternatives, so far as I can tell.</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 12/28/2004 11:13:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, dibene@usa.net writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>And what if this "acknowledgment" is in its turn transmitted not directly addressed to the acknowledged station,<BR>but in a form of a beacon message, reporting just a list of heard stations, with the relative signal strenghts?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>If that sort of transmission is permitted in one's country, it should present&nbsp;little problem.&nbsp; Broadcasting news of interest to the amateur community at large is sometimes permitted.&nbsp; I suppose&nbsp;there could be some question&nbsp;whether reception of stations in another service is newsworthy to hams in general.&nbsp; Clearly, though, it would not constitute a QSO.</DIV><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV><BR><I>&gt;&gt;&gt; "I know, Your Honor, I was caught while trying to climb mirrors, but is this sport forbidden?"</I> </DIV>
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<DIV>It could be a reflection of one's character.&nbsp; :-)</DIV>
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<DIV>But "They" have an implicit  duty to regulate only for some demonstrable 
universally desirable purpose...otherwise it descends to :</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"Don't do that !"</DIV>
<DIV>"Why?"</DIV>
<DIV>"Because&nbsp;We said so ,that's why"</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Examples : The USA society and way of life is very very similar to that of 
UK</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1 ]&nbsp; In the UK the strict keeping of a&nbsp;log of transmissions and 
"contacts" is&nbsp; mandatory . A licence may be revoked for failure to jump 
thro' this hoop.; it is regarded as an Important Thing.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In the USA no-one cares whether you keep a log or not. The fabric of 
society in USA is not exactly crumbling because of the absence of log-keeping 
rules. No more would it do so in UK. But still we have this chore thrust upon 
us.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2}&nbsp; In the UK&nbsp; the annual hassle of renewing a licence on payment 
of a fee with exchange of accompanying bits of paper is regarded as an 
essential. duty. Large numbers of clerks are employed shuffling this pieces of 
paper around.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In USA it is done every ten years ,free of charge, by the equivalent of 
exchanging emails...The fabric of society in USA etc ...[ see above]</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Someone&nbsp;is enforcing needless rules just for the sake of it....... 
</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bryan</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" 
  title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:49 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Trans Atlantic</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 12/28/2004 11:13:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, <A 
  href="mailto:dibene@usa.net">dibene@usa.net</A> writes:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE 
  style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><FONT 
    face=Arial>And what if this "acknowledgment" is in its turn transmitted not 
    directly addressed to the acknowledged station,<BR>but in a form of a beacon 
    message, reporting just a list of heard stations, with the relative signal 
    strenghts?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV>If that sort of transmission is permitted in one's country, it should 
  present&nbsp;little problem.&nbsp; Broadcasting news of interest to the 
  amateur community at large is sometimes permitted.&nbsp; I suppose&nbsp;there 
  could be some question&nbsp;whether reception of stations in another service 
  is newsworthy to hams in general.&nbsp; Clearly, though, it would not 
  constitute a QSO.</DIV><FONT face=Arial>
  <DIV><BR><I>&gt;&gt;&gt; "I know, Your Honor, I was caught while trying to 
  climb mirrors, but is this sport forbidden?"</I> </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>It could be a reflection of one's character.&nbsp; :-)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>John</DIV>
  <DIV></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Hi all,

DJ8WX will transmitt agn tonight on 135922,4Hz in QRSS30 mode beginnig 
at 2000UTC.

reports are welcome. 

regards
Uwe/dj8wx




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>From laurence KL1x bp51fp - overall conditions were better last night but 
still not "good" up here. I guess small changes in geographic latitiude and 
the affects (effects) of Au/nasty particles are probably not linear in 
nature, and as ever  in AK pretty unpredictable.

Signals from Eu are some 30dB down on where Ive seen them, thats all things 
being equal. I managed to snag Steve VE7SL last night and although the 
distance isnt extreme it did make the fight with the critters worth 
while...and make me smile.

Ive still been fighting with this machine and have not yet defeated the PC 
regisrtry settings totally and not been able to record overnight data...as 
ever I learn with each "expedition"...




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jannsen schrieb:
> see attachment please
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
Hi all,
I got the answer direct. the OM was testing his new aerial.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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I have just uploaded Jason V0.97 to
http://www.weaksignals.com/bin/jaspak_v097.exe

You will need to use that link, as it is not linked yet from the main page,
being I not sure yet if it is stable enough. The problem is that I 
changed Jason
many months ago, without taking notes about what I was doing, and now
I find some holes in my memory about the changes that have been done.

There should be two main differences from the previous version:
1) Normal, Slow and Fast speeds, with a factor of 8 between them
2) Text capture triggered by a specified string

The mod requested by Scott Tilley (beacon text specifiable via a text 
file) probably
will be implemented in a few days. The KK7KA decoder is temporarily 
disabled,
waiting for Stewart to modify his code.

If you use it, please report successes and failures, I need to know what
I have done wrong....
The doc on the Web page has not been changed yet, but the use of the new
features is straightforward, just open the Options menu.

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII">
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<DIV>Hi All,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Further to Mike's comments, it is also useful to appreciate the strength 
supplied by our not inconsiderable sympathy among the commercial interests 
lobbying the regulators.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;From my personal experience of a number of years active as an officer 
of a trade federation, the amateur bands in general often come up for discussion 
as they are eyed enviously by commercial interests. These discussions are often 
influenced in our favour by the presence of licensed amateurs among the ranks of 
professional business interests.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;We enjoy privelages and facilities - in particular, bandwidth and 
emitted power levels, which are denied other services who pay very dearly for 
what they get.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;It doesn't help those guys who often go to bat on our behalf when 
some individual or group of mavericks destroy our credibility by riding 
roughshod through the rule book.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;With the growth of commercial useage of the spectrum, there has not 
been a proportionate increase in the licensed amateur population. It follows 
then that the proportion of licensed amateurs among the growing army of 
professionals has not grown and, therefore , that part of our lobby is a 
diminishing resource!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;Please don't make it harder for those that remain.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>Who is the sad soul who believes that the rules are made by our "elected 
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I will again be looking for random LF-HF crossband contacts 
Wednesday night on the following schedule:

0400Z (Dec 30) - 0700Z

CQ on the hour and half hour on 137.5735kHz

QRSS20 with dash/dot ratio of 2:1 

Listening for replies on 3.555MHz CW and 7.055MHz CW at the end of each CQ.

See more information on crossband procedures and valid QSO requirements on:

http://www.imagenisp.com/jsm/Crossband.html

I hope to see you.

Steve / VE7SL / Mayne Island, BC CN88iu




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Dear Uwe,
here is what I fugured

wx- condx: surface wet snow 1 - 2 cm.
Antenna: Umbrella 20m, top 300 pF,
R/in = 24 Ohm
RX: Praecitronik MV 62
locator: JO40LE

Time  ur signal noise          DCF39
2200  -86 dBu  -89,5 dBu  ---------
2214  -76 dBu! -90 dBu   -26.5 dBu
2221  -81 dBu  -90 dBu   -30.5 dBu
2227  -87 dBu  -90 dBu   -34.5 dBu
2231  -83 dBu  -90 dBu    -----------
That's more questions than answers, I'm afraid.
Regards, vy 73 es gl de Peter, dj9dw.




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<DIV>In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:12:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But "They" have an implicit duty to regulate only for some demonstrable universally desirable purpose...</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Many interesting philosophical discussions could arise from this, Bryan, but I fear they would tend to be more off-topic than on,&nbsp;insofar as any of it relates to trans-Atlantic activity.&nbsp; Logging and license renewal are very different issues from the concept of&nbsp;various services within the electromagnetic spectrum having their own established uses.</DIV>
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<DIV>If you ask any administration&nbsp;why there are rules regarding permissible communication, they will tell you exactly&nbsp;why.&nbsp; It is, in effect,&nbsp;to keep the camel's nose out of the tent.&nbsp; Each service is alloted spectrum based on the service's perceived value and the spectrum's perceived value.&nbsp; These days, of course, that is skewed by corporate (and sometimes government) greed.&nbsp; The only thing that keeps the biggest bidders from taking ALL the spectrum is that sound arguments have been made that each existing service serves a sufficiently unique function, and&nbsp;therefore&nbsp;deserves the spectrum it has, at such-and-so price, relative to other users of other spectrum.</DIV>
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<DIV>The keyword here is "unique."&nbsp; If the distinctions between services become blurred, that opens up all kinds of questions about the justifications originally offered re: the creation of those services.</DIV>
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<DIV>An analogy relating directly to the issue of permissible communication is the limitation of third-party message handling in the amateur service.&nbsp; Even though the telephone and telegraph companies&nbsp;no longer use HF to handle commercial communication, if someone persuaded the regulators to allow use of&nbsp;ham bands for third-party communications other than those of&nbsp;a personal, non-commercial, and (in the words of some regulations) "trivial nature," then we would not only be treading on commercial&nbsp;users' toes, we would be inviting re-examination of the cash value of the spectrum.&nbsp; Where big money is involved, any camel sticking its nose in the tent risks its life.</DIV>
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<DIV>I think most of us can see the reasons for rules that keep the amateur service strictly amateur.&nbsp; The most universally applicable way to do that is by restricting non-emergency communications to...whom?&nbsp; Other amateur stations exclusively.&nbsp; (Except sometimes with special authorization, upon showing of good cause, policies for which can vary widely by administration.)</DIV>
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<DIV>There's a further complication in the&nbsp;US with regard to&nbsp;the Experimental Radio Service.&nbsp; One needs to remember that an amateur LF band here has already&nbsp;EXPLICITLY been&nbsp;DENIED in a formal rulemaking proceeding.&nbsp; The current ERS licensees are, it is hoped, providing data that may be useful some day when the matter is considered again.&nbsp; However, the FCC is understandably reluctant to let this become the amateur service "camel's nose."&nbsp; If the Part 5 regulations&nbsp;were to be abused, or such authorizations seen as being stretched beyond their original purpose, they would have no choice politically but to give the camel a sound smack.</DIV>
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<DIV>(This, despite the principal occupant of the tent being the proverbial dog in the manger. The electric utilities have no allocation status and have never paid a cent in user fees&nbsp;for this spectrum, but because of the "criticality" of their Fourth World carrier-current control systems and the Homeland Security implications thereof, they can and do block other users from making their home here.)</DIV>
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<DIV>In short, US amateur activity at 2200m is a sensitive subject right now, and, I suspect,&nbsp;not something whose future any of us would knowingly risk.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now, to stray just a little off topic:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the USA no-one cares whether you keep a log or not. The fabric of society in USA is not exactly crumbling because of the absence of log-keeping rules.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>
<DIV>You are more sanguine than I am about the fabric of society in the USA.&nbsp; 8-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Others&nbsp;might even go so far as to argue that you have cause and effect reversed; namely, that the&nbsp;relaxation of logging requirements is a symptom of decaying in our&nbsp;society.&nbsp; (Substitute "Morse code requirements" in the preceding sentence, and I absolutely guarantee you would hear such claims.)</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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All EU,

I found DCF39 very strong tonight in Yukon and 

am now monitoring the low end near 135.6-135.7

Is anyone to put an amateur beacon on?

J.
VY1JA
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<DIV>I am all in favour of keeping amateur bands strictly amateur. (Don't start 
me on about Winlink for example).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>From what you say (which I did not previously know) a LF amateur band has 
been specifically denied in USA . I would be interested to know what reasons 
were given.....just tell me if there is a website tho'. because I value all the 
technical material on this group and will not take up more off-topic 
space.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>My remarks about logs and renewals were just to demonstrate the 
unreasonableness of govts. who insist upon restrictions which can be 
demonstrated to serve no purpose by the fact that  their absence has been shown 
to be harmless in other, but stricly similar, societies.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have&nbsp; licences and in fact operate HF on&nbsp;both sides of the pond 
so I am in a position to compare and contrast.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;I suppose I was triggered by Jim's remarks which drew for me a mental 
picture of cringing cap-in-hand, forelock-touching approach to radio licence 
restrictions . ..but I readily confess to having no experience.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Enough ! Weather has warmed up a touch so I'll be out there today with 
cross-bow, fishing&nbsp;reel and a great tangle of wires to get up into 
trees.!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bryan</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:WarmSpgs@aol.com" title=WarmSpgs@aol.com>WarmSpgs@aol.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" 
  title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:29 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Needless restrictions re 
  : Trans Atlantic</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:12:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A 
  href="mailto:captbrian@ukonline.co.uk">captbrian@ukonline.co.uk</A> 
  writes:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE 
  style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But "They" have an implicit duty to regulate 
    only for some demonstrable universally desirable 
  purpose...</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV>Many interesting philosophical discussions could arise from this, Bryan, 
  but I fear they would tend to be more off-topic than on,&nbsp;insofar as any 
  of it relates to trans-Atlantic activity.&nbsp; Logging and license renewal 
  are very different issues from the concept of&nbsp;various services within the 
  electromagnetic spectrum having their own established uses.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>If you ask any administration&nbsp;why there are rules regarding 
  permissible communication, they will tell you exactly&nbsp;why.&nbsp; It is, 
  in effect,&nbsp;to keep the camel's nose out of the tent.&nbsp; Each service 
  is alloted spectrum based on the service's perceived value and the spectrum's 
  perceived value.&nbsp; These days, of course, that is skewed by corporate (and 
  sometimes government) greed.&nbsp; The only thing that keeps the biggest 
  bidders from taking ALL the spectrum is that sound arguments have been made 
  that each existing service serves a sufficiently unique function, 
  and&nbsp;therefore&nbsp;deserves the spectrum it has, at such-and-so price, 
  relative to other users of other spectrum.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The keyword here is "unique."&nbsp; If the distinctions between services 
  become blurred, that opens up all kinds of questions about the justifications 
  originally offered re: the creation of those services.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>An analogy relating directly to the issue of permissible communication is 
  the limitation of third-party message handling in the amateur service.&nbsp; 
  Even though the telephone and telegraph companies&nbsp;no longer use HF to 
  handle commercial communication, if someone persuaded the regulators to allow 
  use of&nbsp;ham bands for third-party communications other than those 
  of&nbsp;a personal, non-commercial, and (in the words of some regulations) 
  "trivial nature," then we would not only be treading on commercial&nbsp;users' 
  toes, we would be inviting re-examination of the cash value of the 
  spectrum.&nbsp; Where big money is involved, any camel sticking its nose in 
  the tent risks its life.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I think most of us can see the reasons for rules that keep the amateur 
  service strictly amateur.&nbsp; The most universally applicable way to do that 
  is by restricting non-emergency communications to...whom?&nbsp; Other amateur 
  stations exclusively.&nbsp; (Except sometimes with special authorization, upon 
  showing of good cause, policies for which can vary widely by 
  administration.)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>There's a further complication in the&nbsp;US with regard to&nbsp;the 
  Experimental Radio Service.&nbsp; One needs to remember that an amateur LF 
  band here has already&nbsp;EXPLICITLY been&nbsp;DENIED in a formal rulemaking 
  proceeding.&nbsp; The current ERS licensees are, it is hoped, providing data 
  that may be useful some day when the matter is considered again.&nbsp; 
  However, the FCC is understandably reluctant to let this become the amateur 
  service "camel's nose."&nbsp; If the Part 5 regulations&nbsp;were to be 
  abused, or such authorizations seen as being stretched beyond their original 
  purpose, they would have no choice politically but to give the camel a sound 
  smack.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>(This, despite the principal occupant of the tent being the proverbial 
  dog in the manger. The electric utilities have no allocation status and have 
  never paid a cent in user fees&nbsp;for this spectrum, but because of the 
  "criticality" of their Fourth World carrier-current control systems and the 
  Homeland Security implications thereof, they can and do block other users from 
  making their home here.)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>In short, US amateur activity at 2200m is a sensitive subject right now, 
  and, I suspect,&nbsp;not something whose future any of us would knowingly 
  risk.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Now, to stray just a little off topic:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE 
  style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In the USA no-one cares whether you keep a log 
    or not. The fabric of society in USA is not exactly crumbling because of the 
    absence of log-keeping rules.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>You are more sanguine than I am about the fabric of society in the 
  USA.&nbsp; 8-)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Others&nbsp;might even go so far as to argue that you have cause and 
  effect reversed; namely, that the&nbsp;relaxation of logging requirements is a 
  symptom of decaying in our&nbsp;society.&nbsp; (Substitute "Morse code 
  requirements" in the preceding sentence, and I absolutely guarantee you would 
  hear such claims.)</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>John</DIV>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic


> > Our behaviour now may have reprecussions in those "corridor
> > negotiations at Geneva."  Considering the fragile state of global
> > politics and the sensibilities of some nations, any unilateral
> > behavoiur on the part of a couple of us may turn the favour away from
> > our common intent of a world wide 2200m amatuer band.
> > Remember the primary purpose in THEIR eyes, for our experiments, is
> > that we must prove that we won't create problems either
> > electromagneticly OR politically.
> > Scott, VE7TIL
>
> I was involved with negotiations between the RSGB and the
> UK licensing authority for many years, both as a volunteer
> and a member of staff, and agree entirely with Scott's
> comments.
>
> My experience is that authorities are happy to encourage
> experimentation, provided there is no impact on other
> services. What they do not like is amateurs taking
> advantage and bending the rules, or seeking loopholes in
> the rules. The reference to "corridor negotiations" is
> accurate at national and international level, and relies on
> trust between the parties. This trust is damaged by
> unilateral action and 'boat rocking' by individuals. Patience
> is the keyword - responsible use of a small concession is
> often followed by a larger concession. Most facilities we
> take for granted now (including most of our bands) were
> illegal once.

Mike
How about all the rule bending that has been taking place on LF since it
started a few years ago. Have you not noticed.

>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
> http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk
>
>
>


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> I found DCF39 very strong tonight in Yukon and 
> am now monitoring the low end near 135.6-135.7
> Is anyone to put an amateur beacon on?

> VY1JA

I will be running some tests over the next few nights on 
135.9215kHz. Mode QRSS60. Any reports welcomed.

Mike, G3XDV
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk





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 Good transatlantic conditions last night. Added some screenshots of
 VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ to my website:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
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Mike,

Thanks for the information.  It gives me an idea where to watch.
The bandpass of Argo is now centered on 135.9215kHz. Mode QRSS60.
The software will be doing auto capture 24 hrs/d for the next few days.

May we have excellent propagation for these reception experiments into 
Yukon.

Thanks,

J.
VY1JA
CP20kw 




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  <A title=G4gvw@aol.com href="mailto:G4gvw@aol.com">G4gvw@aol.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Trans Atlantic</DIV>
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  <DIV>Hi All,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Further to Mike's comments, it is also useful to appreciate the strength 
  supplied by our not inconsiderable sympathy among the commercial interests 
  lobbying the regulators.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;From my personal experience of a number of years active as an 
  officer of a trade federation, the amateur bands in general often come up for 
  discussion as they are eyed enviously by commercial interests. These 
  discussions are often influenced in our favour by the presence of licensed 
  amateurs among the ranks of professional business interests.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;We enjoy privelages and facilities - in particular, bandwidth and 
  emitted power levels, which are denied other services who pay very dearly for 
  what they get.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;It doesn't help those guys who often go to bat on our behalf when 
  some individual or group of mavericks destroy our credibility by riding 
  roughshod through the rule book.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;With the growth of commercial useage of the spectrum, there has not 
  been a proportionate increase in the licensed amateur population. It follows 
  then that the proportion of licensed amateurs among the growing army of 
  professionals has not grown and, therefore , that part of our lobby is a 
  diminishing resource!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>This is true in spite of the fact that radio amateur licences are 
  virtually given away these days. Someone has recently said the hardest part of 
  getting a licence these days is filling in the form!!!!! </DIV>
  <DIV>If the STANDARD required to get a licence&nbsp;years ago was applied 
  these days you would be able to count on one hand the number of active radio 
  amateurs TODAY. </DIV>
  <DIV>Most&nbsp;radio amateurs today are appliance operators and not 
  experimenters and a lot of would be radio amateurs are using mobile phones and 
  the internet. This&nbsp;approach is probably a lot cheaper and facilities 
  like&nbsp;ECHOLINK and others similar are as good as the real thing and you do 
  not have propogation to worry about, its 59 all the time.</DIV>
  <DIV>Even dedicated experimental radio amateurs are&nbsp;contributing nil 
  these days of any interest to would be commercial users.</DIV>
  <DIV>The sophisticated nature of electronics these days and the cost puts the 
  radio experimenter at a disadbantage, only the commercial operators and 
  government agencies can afford meaningful research then market it at a price 
  that is affordable to the appliance operator.&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>For instance, you could not&nbsp;construct&nbsp;all the ingredients 
  required to build a desktop computer or a modern transceiver for the purchase 
  price, and secondhand they are virtually give away.</DIV>
  <DIV>The days of the valued&nbsp;experimental radio amateur have GONE. 
  Maybe&nbsp;if I was starting today as a young person interested in electronics 
  I would become an appliance operator, no need to solder anthing these 
  days,&nbsp; just throw the thing away and get another. </DIV>
  <DIV>de Mal/G3KEV</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;Please don't make it harder for those that remain.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73 de Pat g4gvw&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Poor (poor) conditions a little up the road - I actually lost dcf39 for an 
hour around 0430z at dot30 plus the "local" loran lines - VE7SL coming well 
this early morning.



>From: "J. Allen" <vy1ja@northwestel.net>
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>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: LF: Any EU Beacons on?  de VY1JA
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:18:03 +0000
>
>All EU,
>
>I found DCF39 very strong tonight in Yukon and
>
>am now monitoring the low end near 135.6-135.7
>
>Is anyone to put an amateur beacon on?
>
>J.
>VY1JA
>CP20kw
>
>




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J. Allen schrieb:
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for the information.  It gives me an idea where to watch.
> The bandpass of Argo is now centered on 135.9215kHz. Mode QRSS60.
> The software will be doing auto capture 24 hrs/d for the next few days.
>
> May we have excellent propagation for these reception experiments into 
> Yukon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> J.
> VY1JA
> CP20kw 
>
>
>
Hi, 
like the last nights I will be on 135,922.3kHz the next nights too. 
the mode will be changed to QRSS60. 
Regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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dj9dw schrieb:
> Dear Uwe,
> here is what I fugured
>
> wx- condx: surface wet snow 1 - 2 cm.
> Antenna: Umbrella 20m, top 300 pF,
> R/in = 24 Ohm
> RX: Praecitronik MV 62
> locator: JO40LE
>
> Time  ur signal noise          DCF39
> 2200  -86 dBu  -89,5 dBu  ---------
> 2214  -76 dBu! -90 dBu   -26.5 dBu
> 2221  -81 dBu  -90 dBu   -30.5 dBu
> 2227  -87 dBu  -90 dBu   -34.5 dBu
> 2231  -83 dBu  -90 dBu    -----------
> That's more questions than answers, I'm afraid.
> Regards, vy 73 es gl de Peter, dj9dw.
>
>
Hi Peter,
thanks for that substantial report. 
we in the upper north of germany have abt 4cm snow, frozen. 
but the sky was (and is) clear over night.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx
 



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Hi Uwe,

cracking signal here in JO42FD with my HF "attic" dipole connected to a 
TS 850 .

Regards and good luck to all TA observers,

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WD2XES will run in Jason (Slow) mode tonight on 137.779 kHz, starting at
0000 UTC.  The latest version of Jason (0.97) is required, and may be
downloaded at:
http://www.weaksignals.com/bin/jaspak_v097.exe

A shorter ID string will be used tonight. A test of the Jason Fast mode will
be done on 137.700 kHz from 2300 - 0000 UTC. Those in the northeastern part
of the U.S. may be able to see that test.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES, FN42ch
WD2XES status: http://www.w1tag.com




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Greetings all,

Some will remember the recent ideas about using MSK (minimum shift 
keying) on LF as a PSK31-like mode for "fast keyboard-to-keyboard" 
communication with minimum overhead.

There is a preliminary implementation of MSK in Spectrum Lab, available 
on my website now: (http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html).
If someone would like to play with it, it works "almost" like PSK31 or 
PSK08, in fact it uses the same codeset and bit encoding rule. The 
decoder leaves plenty of room for improvement though (at the moment, it 
is a robust incoherent decoder - not as good as PSK31 yet but it works.
You don't need a "linear" transmitter for it, due to the constant 
envelope waveform, but -at the present time- you will need audio keying 
because the MSK signal is generated with the soundcard.
Like Bill, VE2IQ, I tried to send the MSK keying signal through an 
output line of the serial port, but the jitter on it is dreadful - no 
chance to switch the frequencies of a DSP this way.
To activate the "digimode terminal" in MSK mode, select
 Quick Settings  |  predefined digimodes | MSK 31 or MSK 08 .
Then, in the dialog window, enter the audio frequencies (I prefer 
something around 2 kHz, which makes sure the audio harmonics are outside 
the SSB bandwidth).

It would be nice to do some initial on-air tests soon; skeds can be 
arranged anytime since I'm on holiday - or look for a funny looking MSK 
idle tone, which consists of THREE lines on the spectrogram, with the 
center line being stronger than the two outer lines. The outer lines are 
spaced 31.25 Hz for MSK31 and 8 Hz for MSK08 (like those in (B)PSK31 and 
PSK08 .
When QRV at DF0WD, I will call on 137.5 kHz if the frequency is clear.

73, Wolf DL4YHF .



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Uwe,

Thanks for posting the update.

Your signal should fall within the visible bandpass which is 135920.7 
to135922.4 for the next few days.
May we all have excellent propagation and even better luck during these 
tests.  :o)

J.
VY1JA
CP20kw 




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<DIV>In a message dated 12/29/2004 3:32:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial size=2>From what you say (which I did not previously know) a LF amateur band has been specifically denied in USA . I would be interested to know what reasons were given.....just tell me if there is a website </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>We reported quite a bit at lwca.org on the attempt to gain US &nbsp;2200m privileges.&nbsp; The ARRL had additionally proposed 160-190kHz in their petition, but in 2002, the FCC turned down the latter request.&nbsp; It was&nbsp;claimed this 30kHz segment&nbsp;would be too unwieldy from a spectrum management standpoint&nbsp;and might&nbsp;place the power grid in too much jeopardy.</DIV>
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<DIV>Still,&nbsp;all indications in 2002 were that&nbsp;the relatively tiny&nbsp;2.1kHz slice at 2200m would fly through.&nbsp; After another year dragged by,&nbsp;the power industry persuaded the Commission that a huge guard band around 137kHz would be necessary because of the extremely lax tolerances in the industry's&nbsp;PLC gear (thus, my reference to our Fourth World power grid) and that&nbsp;it would cost them tens of millions to upgrade their stuff.</DIV>
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<DIV>ARRL may have some of their stories archived.&nbsp; We have the FCC Report and Order from 2003, with a summary of all their considerations on the matter at that time.&nbsp; It's at:</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks. I found that quite illuminating. How can the Power companies claim 
to be permitted to operate under part 15&nbsp; rules [ antennas and feeder&nbsp; 
etc not to exceed 15 metres ] when their antenna systems are hundreds of miles 
long ?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I only ask !</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bryan</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
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  <A href="mailto:WarmSpgs@aol.com" title=WarmSpgs@aol.com>WarmSpgs@aol.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" 
  title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:24 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Needless restrictions re 
  : Trans Atlantic</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 12/29/2004 3:32:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, <A 
  href="mailto:captbrian@ukonline.co.uk">captbrian@ukonline.co.uk</A> 
  writes:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE 
  style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><FONT 
    face=Arial size=2>From what you say (which I did not previously know) a LF 
    amateur band has been specifically denied in USA . I would be interested to 
    know what reasons were given.....just tell me if there is a website 
  </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
  <DIV>We reported quite a bit at lwca.org on the attempt to gain US &nbsp;2200m 
  privileges.&nbsp; The ARRL had additionally proposed 160-190kHz in their 
  petition, but in 2002, the FCC turned down the latter request.&nbsp; It 
  was&nbsp;claimed this 30kHz segment&nbsp;would be too unwieldy from a spectrum 
  management standpoint&nbsp;and might&nbsp;place the power grid in too much 
  jeopardy.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Still,&nbsp;all indications in 2002 were that&nbsp;the relatively 
  tiny&nbsp;2.1kHz slice at 2200m would fly through.&nbsp; After another year 
  dragged by,&nbsp;the power industry persuaded the Commission that a huge guard 
  band around 137kHz would be necessary because of the extremely lax tolerances 
  in the industry's&nbsp;PLC gear (thus, my reference to our Fourth World power 
  grid) and that&nbsp;it would cost them tens of millions to upgrade their 
  stuff.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>ARRL may have some of their stories archived.&nbsp; We have the FCC 
  Report and Order from 2003, with a summary of all their considerations on the 
  matter at that time.&nbsp; It's at:</DIV>
  <DIV><A 
  href="http://lwca.org/miscdocs/FCC-03-105A1.pdf">http://lwca.org/miscdocs/FCC-03-105A1.pdf</A></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I hope that helps.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>John</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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John,

I would be quite surprised if Power Line Carrier equipment were disrupted by 
amateur equipment.  The power lines are rotated physically to balance fields 
for a number of reasons.  It just happens to help prevent line transmission 
of PLC signals and pickup of our LF signals.

Installation, and maintenance of PLCs  came under my supervision until I 
retired from Yukon Energy Corp three years ago.  If a small utility like YEC 
installs and maintains things with this care, I suspect that the fears of 
power company problems in the populated world south of us are totally 
unfounded....

I will find out some of this, because several of the men in my previous crew 
are still with the power company and are all licensed amateurs.  My 
experiments will be done in such a way that they can monitor my early 
transmissions and signal levels (or as I suspect, absence of them) on the 
PLC subsystem.

It is my belief and expectation that this kind of monitoring and testing can 
demonstrate that amateur LF work can cohabit the same neighborhoods as PLC 
SCADA control systems.  The 138,000 Volt line which carries the PLC signals 
is approximately 100 meters from the tower which will be the 137 kHz 
antenna.

The way the PLC works is that the power transmission line also is used as an 
RF transmission line.  The PLC transmitter runs approximately 75 -150 Watts 
directly into the line and the line carries that to a matched load of a 
transmitter/receiver pair on the opposite end of the line.  With the high 
signal levels that are forced into the line and received on the opposite 
end, I cannot see how the small amount of signal that is picked up by the 
antenna effects of the power line can compare or how it can cause any 
trouble.

Has anyone in the UK heard of any LF transmitter causing problems with 
PLCs?.  If so, I would appreciate knowing the details.

J.

VY1JA
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----- Original Message -----
From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
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Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic


> Regardless of appellations used in the licence, a station transmitting for
> pure amateur pleasure with no professional/commercial intent is by all
> standards of English usage...
>
> an "amateur radio station"...[your honor, My Lord, Judge, Maitre, Ref.  )
> etc.
>
> G3GVB
>
Did you know that some countries in EU and beyond do not recognise some of
the UK licenses and their amateurs are not permitted to work them. On LF/HF
it seems M3XXX and 2E1/2E0 are prohibited. Perhaps someone else could
clarify this position just as a matter of interest. In Singapore an exchange
licence is not automatic you have to visit a magistrate and be confirmed as
a fit person to hold a licence. Your current licence must equate to the what
was a full class A licence before the changes took place in the UK.
So all things are NOT equal regardless of what some say about radio amateurs
contacting other radio amateurs.
73 de Mal/G3KEV/9V10Y/9M2CC



>



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does anyone have cct info or other details about 
the DECCA NAVIGATOR MK53&nbsp;rx. This rx would probably make a good LF rx. It 
is all solid state and compact. If I knew the IF freq I could probably tune 
across it with an ext RX. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have seen several of these rx's around this area. 
I would appreciate any info.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tnx in advance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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J.

Excellent plan.

Well documented testing, complete with measurements and observations
from inside YEC, could convince the controlling agencies that any fears
of power grid problems are unjustified. I'm not aware of any similar
tests. Even if your tests didn't convince the FCC directly, it would be
enough of a lever to push for further testing.

Bet ARRL would be interested...

Thanks for your efforts.

Jay, W1VD


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> John,
>
> I would be quite surprised if Power Line Carrier equipment were
disrupted by
> amateur equipment.  The power lines are rotated physically to balance
fields
> for a number of reasons.  It just happens to help prevent line
transmission
> of PLC signals and pickup of our LF signals.
>
> Installation, and maintenance of PLCs  came under my supervision until
I
> retired from Yukon Energy Corp three years ago.  If a small utility
like YEC
> installs and maintains things with this care, I suspect that the fears
of
> power company problems in the populated world south of us are totally
> unfounded....
>
> I will find out some of this, because several of the men in my
previous crew
> are still with the power company and are all licensed amateurs.  My
> experiments will be done in such a way that they can monitor my early
> transmissions and signal levels (or as I suspect, absence of them) on
the
> PLC subsystem.
>
> It is my belief and expectation that this kind of monitoring and
testing can
> demonstrate that amateur LF work can cohabit the same neighborhoods as
PLC
> SCADA control systems.  The 138,000 Volt line which carries the PLC
signals
> is approximately 100 meters from the tower which will be the 137 kHz
> antenna.
>
> The way the PLC works is that the power transmission line also is used
as an
> RF transmission line.  The PLC transmitter runs approximately 75 -150
Watts
> directly into the line and the line carries that to a matched load of
a
> transmitter/receiver pair on the opposite end of the line.  With the
high
> signal levels that are forced into the line and received on the
opposite
> end, I cannot see how the small amount of signal that is picked up by
the
> antenna effects of the power line can compare or how it can cause any
> trouble.
>
> Has anyone in the UK heard of any LF transmitter causing problems with
> PLCs?.  If so, I would appreciate knowing the details.
>
> J.
>
> VY1JA
> CP20kw
>
>
>


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The Part 15 rules restriction  of 15 metres seems to include the "feeder" ,
one would have thoght this precluded the use of  100 mile power lines as
"transmission lines" then....

One can only  applaud VY1JA's  suggestion of presenting "them" with results
of competently conducted tests.

Details of the Canadian's rotation of the transmission lines would be
interesting  to me.

Whether "they" in one country will take any notice of "Them" in another tho'
is anybody's guess.



Bryan


----- Original Message -----
From: J. Allen <vy1ja@northwestel.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:33 AM
Subject: LF: Power Line Carrier gear de VY1JA


> John,
>
> I would be quite surprised if Power Line Carrier equipment were disrupted
by
> amateur equipment.  The power lines are rotated physically to balance
fields
> for a number of reasons.  It just happens to help prevent line
transmission
> of PLC signals and pickup of our LF signals.
>
> Installation, and maintenance of PLCs  came under my supervision until I
> retired from Yukon Energy Corp three years ago.  If a small utility like
YEC
> installs and maintains things with this care, I suspect that the fears of
> power company problems in the populated world south of us are totally
> unfounded....
>
> I will find out some of this, because several of the men in my previous
crew
> are still with the power company and are all licensed amateurs.  My
> experiments will be done in such a way that they can monitor my early
> transmissions and signal levels (or as I suspect, absence of them) on the
> PLC subsystem.
>
> It is my belief and expectation that this kind of monitoring and testing
can
> demonstrate that amateur LF work can cohabit the same neighborhoods as PLC
> SCADA control systems.  The 138,000 Volt line which carries the PLC
signals
> is approximately 100 meters from the tower which will be the 137 kHz
> antenna.
>
> The way the PLC works is that the power transmission line also is used as
an
> RF transmission line.  The PLC transmitter runs approximately 75 -150
Watts
> directly into the line and the line carries that to a matched load of a
> transmitter/receiver pair on the opposite end of the line.  With the high
> signal levels that are forced into the line and received on the opposite
> end, I cannot see how the small amount of signal that is picked up by the
> antenna effects of the power line can compare or how it can cause any
> trouble.
>
> Has anyone in the UK heard of any LF transmitter causing problems with
> PLCs?.  If so, I would appreciate knowing the details.
>
> J.
>
> VY1JA
> CP20kw
>
>
>
>



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Today I played a bit with Jason and the soundfiles of John's
transmissions from the last two days. I found in Jason the "Jimi
Hendrix Mode". Using this mode I got a better copies. I changed the
screenshots on my website:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff
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Greetings all,

I received the following message from Ivan Bekey who is seeking  
information on the Luxemburg effect. The subject was discussed on the LF 
reflector in 2001, but I only found a few old the old message in my own 
archive. Any information to my address or directly to Ivan would be much 
appreciated.

Thanks in advance, best regards and HNY,
Wolfgang "Wolf" DL4YHF .

------------------------------------------------------------------

Wolfgang:  I am an electronics engineer in the USA, retired from 19 years at
NASA and 31 years in the aerospace industry, and very familiar with ELF
through Ka band transmission and reception, though I have never gotten
around to getting a ham license.

I am particularly interested in information on the "Luxemburg effect" and
its causes, including heterodyning and intermodulation by "bad contacts" on
the ground as well as ionospheric interactions, and the efficiency of these
processes.  I got your name by doing a Google search for the Luxemburg
effect. 

 Would it be possible for you to direct me to any papers, other technical
information, or people that would help me in this area?  I would greatly
appreciate it.

Sincerely

Ivan Bekey
ibekey@cox.net




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I transmitted last night from 1900 to 0800UTC on 
135.9215kHz, sending 'XDV' at approx hourly intervals. 
DJ8WX was strong on 135.9223kHz. We both used 
QRSS60.

W3EEE's DCF39 graph seemed to fail during the night, but 
early indications looked good.

I will beacon over the next few nights for anyone interested 
in receiving DX sigals from Eu. Any reports (or grabber info) 
welcomed.


Mike, G3XDV
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk



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Mike Dennison wrote:
> I transmitted last night from 1900 to 0800UTC on 
> 135.9215kHz, sending 'XDV' at approx hourly intervals. 
> DJ8WX was strong on 135.9223kHz. We both used 
> QRSS60.
> 
> W3EEE's DCF39 graph seemed to fail during the night, but 
> early indications looked good.
> 
> I will beacon over the next few nights for anyone interested 
> in receiving DX sigals from Eu. Any reports (or grabber info) 
> welcomed.
> 

Mike,

I ran overnight captures but did not see anyone's signal.  Will be 
watching again tonight.  My QRSS60 Argo window is 135,920.5 to 
135,923.5.  Most of that window is clear except for local loran at 
135,921.053.

W4DEX


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> I ran overnight captures but did not see anyone's signal.  Will be
> watching again tonight.  My QRSS60 Argo window is 135,920.5 to
> 135,923.5.  Most of that window is clear except for local loran at
> 135,921.053.
> W4DEX

Dex,

I checked your website at 
http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm
but this looks old. I guess your captures are local only.

Thanks for watching.

73 de Mike, G3XDV
===============




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ditto here - no identifiable signals. Will continue 
monitoring.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jay, W1VD</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=dmcintyre@att.net href="mailto:dmcintyre@att.net">Dexter McIntyre</A> 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:03 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Eu DX beacons</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Mike Dennison wrote:<BR>&gt; I transmitted last night from 1900 
  to 0800UTC on <BR>&gt; 135.9215kHz, sending 'XDV' at approx hourly intervals. 
  <BR>&gt; DJ8WX was strong on 135.9223kHz. We both used <BR>&gt; 
  QRSS60.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; W3EEE's DCF39 graph seemed to fail during the night, 
  but <BR>&gt; early indications looked good.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I will beacon 
  over the next few nights for anyone interested <BR>&gt; in receiving DX sigals 
  from Eu. Any reports (or grabber info) <BR>&gt; welcomed.<BR>&gt; 
  <BR><BR>Mike,<BR><BR>I ran overnight captures but did not see anyone's 
  signal.&nbsp; Will be <BR>watching again tonight.&nbsp; My QRSS60 Argo window 
  is 135,920.5 to <BR>135,923.5.&nbsp; Most of that window is clear except for 
  local loran at <BR>135,921.053.<BR><BR>W4DEX<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DI2AG is ready 
to start on 440.044KHz 1.1.05&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.00UTC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The power will be 0.5W ERP. Later on I`ll try to 
increase the power and tell you before.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DI2AG will transmit the following 
message:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Start ID:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DI2AG JN59NO W5 
BEST FER 2005 START QRS&nbsp;&nbsp; ( with 6 WPM )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
DI2AG JN59NO 
W5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( 
QRS3 )</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stop ID&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;DI2AG 
JN59NO W5 BEST FER 2005 STOP QRS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( with 6 WPM 
)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then the cycle begins again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The "BEST FER 2005" is only for 1.1.05 and will be 
removed then.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The "W5" means 0.5W ERP, "2W" would be 2W 
ERP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JN59NO is my locator 9Km east of Erlangen, 15Km 
north of Nuremberg.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please send your reports and - if possible - 
screenshots to <A 
href="mailto:walter.staubach@fen-net.de">walter.staubach@fen-net.de</A>,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>or <A 
href="mailto:dj2lf@darc.de">dj2lf@darc.de</A>. The <A 
href="mailto:di2ag@fen-net.de">di2ag@fen-net.de</A> does not yet 
work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Walter DJ2LF</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Good afternoon, Bryan, and All.

The problem with being one of they or them "what speaks", is that in doing 
so the mouth is opened, increasing the chances of foot-in-mouth disease.

In answer to your question, I will attempt to explain the power line 
rotation as I have seen all across North America and yet line rotation is 
not something which I was able to locate via Google.  It would have been 
nice to simply put a link on the LF reflector to a site which explains this 
better than I.  The description is a little over-simplified, but here 
goes....

The power lines are very real transmission lines as we in radio come to know 
them, both at 50/60 Hz and at the other frequencies, such as PLC which they 
carry.  The line which passes by the front of my home goes part of the way 
north toward Dawson, and then runs east to Faro, about a 250 mile length. 
The line develops voltage peaks and nulls to the different frequencies 
placed on it just like an RF feeder can from rig to antenna.  Large reactors 
are required to cancel the effects of line length. If one set of lines is 
always on the outside of the transmission line or is always nearer the earth 
below the line, it causes effects such as increased capacitance to ground 
and imballance of the line currents and voltages in long lines.  A line 
which is always in the center is impacted by fields from two wires, but the 
outside lines of a flat transmission line are impacted by the fields from 
mainly the one adjacent to it.  For these and other reasons, it is necessary 
to rotate the lines.

Power line rotation takes a number of structures to accomplish.  How the 
lines are rotated depends on the normal line configuration.  For this 
discussion the grounding/grounded conductor is ignored.

Here are three of the more common configurations:

1.  All lines on a single line parallel to the earth.
XYZ

2.  Lines in a triangle with two in line vertically.
X
      Y
Z

3.  A single line at the top with two lines on a crossarm below.

     X
 Y      Z

In Yukon, the 138,000 Volt three-phase lines are arranged in a flat line 
parallel with the earth, and then in triangles with one line elevated, using 
both 1 and 2 configurations above, so starting with the flat line 
configuration 1 above:

XYZ

The left line is elevated at the first structure of the rotation, and we are 
now in configuration 2 above;

X
      Z
Y

At the next structure is a reverse of configuration 2, the lower two lines 
shift left while the top line stays high and shifts right.

      X
Y
      Z

At the final structure, the elevated right line drops to the same level as 
the other two lines and we are back to configuration 1.

YZX


This is one rotation for a flat configuration of lines, and after a 
relatively short distance at power line frequencies, the rotation is done 
again in the same direction.  At each structure of rotation, the lines are 
commonly labeled ABC, XYZ, 123, or color coded Yellow, Red, and Blue.  One 
can look at those structures where the markings are located to see that the 
placement of the conductors has changed from time to time...but always 
maintaining the phase rotation sequence.  XYZ, then YZX then ZXY.

As you travel along the highway on your next trip, with someone else at the 
wheel, watch the high-tension lines for transitions similar to the one 
described here.  Now that you know what to look for, transitions should be 
easy to spot, regardless of the line configuration.

I hope this was clear enough....

And I agree... "they" in one country may not take any notice of  the work of 
those in another country, especially considering current politics.  Being an 
optimist here has its advantage... As Darby O'Gill said, "The only person 
who is happy altogether is the villige itiot.", and in my optomistic 
ignorance I do try to be happy.. :o)

It is interesting to watch http://sec.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html and the 
propagation changing together these days.  The shape of the Auroral halo is 
a bit flattened on the map  in such a way that the NA east coast to EU west 
coast path is not impeded by the Auroral cloud.  Parts of Alaska are out 
from under the halo and are able to communicate with major areas of the 
world, while we in Yukon, only a few hundred miles away, are blocked from 
even communicating with sections of NA south of us.

I hope that things turn around soon, so that I can send you captures of your 
signals into Yukon.


J.
VY1JA
CP20kw
 



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Mike Dennison wrote:
> Dex,
> 
> I checked your website at 
> http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm
> but this looks old. I guess your captures are local only.
> 

Mike,

Sorry about that.  I'll upload captures here:

http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.html

I'll probably do manual uploads while I'm using the computer during my 
evening hours.  Will then auto upload for the rest of the night. 
Testing auto upload now.

Dex



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Not good conditions at all - bright Aurora  here at times.

Loran/VE7SL and DCF39 died at dusk and occasional splurges only thru the 
night.

Steve VE7SL was good at pre AK dawn and dcf39 is now getting stronger as we 
move into daylight - this was a good indicator of (quite/very) disturbed 
conditions over the Pole

No other signals seen at all - even with a 120 metre circum loop with 25m 
height now.
Continued "live" uploads on Argo1 and 3 on http://myweb.cableone.net/flow 
until we leave late on the 1st.


Laurence KL1X BP51FP -10F Clear




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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//DE"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><TITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Greetings all,<br>
as I'm currently at the club station DF0WD ... anyone ready for a test ?<br>
I am sending PSK08 , PSK31, MSK08 and MSK31 on 137.5 kHz at the moment.<br>
Any response about the occupied bandwidth from my "neighbours", or even better - reception reports are much appreciated.<br>
<br>
CUL, HNY,<br>
73 Wolf DF0WD/DL4YHF .<br>



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Hi Wolf, I have a line on the full screen ARGO waterfall and  a "PSK-like"
signal when looked at with the 3 sec mode....I dont have Spectrun lab on
that machine at present I am sorry to say (2115z) Aslo some obviously MSK as
the bandwidth suggests
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Greetings all,
as I'm currently at the club station DF0WD ... anyone ready for a test ?
I am sending PSK08 , PSK31, MSK08 and MSK31 on 137.5 kHz at the moment.
Any response about the occupied bandwidth from my "neighbours", or even
better - reception reports are much appreciated.

CUL, HNY,
73 Wolf DF0WD/DL4YHF .







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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//DE"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><TITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Hi Alan, <br>
<br>
Thanks for the report. <br>
I am actually sending PSK31, PSK08, MSK31 and MSK08 in this order... <br>
but at the moment something "different".<br>
Also got SWR problems now because of the wind.<br>
Hope to do some more tests during the weekend - if headaches permit ...<br>
<br>
73 Wolf DL4YHF .<br>
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Hi Wolf thanks for the response....nice Hell (even if inside out cos I will
insist on using LSB !!)

Happy New Year  de Alan G3NYK  JO02pb




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<DIV><FONT size=2>Wolf,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>You are making it across the pond! On Markus' screen grabber, 
that is!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Looks interesting. Wish I was there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>John Andrews</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Greetings all,<BR>as I'm currently at the club station DF0WD 
  ... anyone ready for a test ?<BR>I am sending PSK08 , PSK31, MSK08 and MSK31 
  on 137.5 kHz at the moment.<BR>Any response about the occupied bandwidth from 
  my "neighbours", or even better - reception reports are much 
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//DE"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><TITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Hi Alan and John,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the report. Also thanks Markus for helping me making it
across... well seriously, I will not attempt that with my poor 80
mw&nbsp; ERP at the moment, last not least because I cannot transmit on
LF from home.<br>
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PA0BWL and DJ8WX are very strong here at the moment, so in turn will look what the US and VE grabbers are doing at the moment. <br>
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Best regards, and next time hopefully no advertisement from the webmail provider ...<br>
<br>
HNY, 73,<br>
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<div><font size="2">Wolf,</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">You are making it across the pond! On Markus' screen grabber, 
that is!</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Looks interesting. Wish I was there.</font></div>
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Hi Uwe,

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On Thursday 30 December 2004 16:49, Mike Dennison wrote:
> I transmitted last night from 1900 to 0800UTC on
> 135.9215kHz, sending 'XDV' at approx hourly intervals.
> DJ8WX was strong on 135.9223kHz. We both used
> QRSS60.
>

Hi Mike and Uwe!

Received in Milano, with loop antenna in balcony and direct conversion 
receiver, despite Xmas lights.

23.00 DJ8WX O signal, 20 dB over noise, increasing to 30 dB over noise 
after 00.30, 135.9223; XDV fairly visible

00.10 XDV T signal, abt 5-10 dB over noise, QSB, 135.9215

My QRG calibrated over DCF39 138.830

73 and Happy New Year all lowfers

Claudio, ik2pii

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> Nothing seen around 135.921/922 from 0000 to 0200.

> John Andrews, W1TAG


 It looked better in the opposite direction. VO1NA noted strong since
 2200z and WD2XGJ since 2330z. Your Jason transmission started around
 0200z brought good results.
 Very strong transatlantic signals this morning!
 
 I'll add the screenshots and the results of the Jason reception to my
 website later today:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de 



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Last night I found no improvements using the "Jimi Hendrix mode" in
Jason 0.97. Experiments with the soundfile, recorded during local dawn
when the signal was very strong, the "Jimi Hendrix mode" made the
readability poorer.
  
I have now updated my website with the latest screenshots:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de 



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Dmitry,

Thank you for the JPG. At least I am getting out as far as 
Russia.

I see you have posted the picture on your web page but it 
does not work.

73
Mike, G3XDV
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk



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When visiting family in California last week I noticed that on their cable TV system Channel 136 was titled "G4TTV filter".  Unfortunately I was unable to find out what it was about.

73
John G3PAI




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Hello Hartmut,

This ugly signal was from DF0WD, trying to produce "someting" on 
CT1DRP's frame grabber.
When tuning for a short while, the SWR protection causes the output 
envelope of my transverter to oscillate with a low frequency (depending 
on the complex load impedance) when the protection cuts the signal off 
and on again. This produced the "dirty" trace which could also be seen 
on Marku's zoomed area.

Cheers,

Wolf DL4YHF .



Hartmut Wolff schrieb:

>who was this on 137.7775?
>  
>
>  
>



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>
> As you travel along the highway on your next trip, with someone else at
the
> wheel, watch the high-tension lines for transitions similar to the one
> described here.  Now that you know what to look for, transitions should be
> easy to spot, regardless of the line configuration.

I seem to recall a method of transposing twin transmission line conductors
for RF at regular interval using square spacers with a hole or notch in each
corner. This was done to improve the balance over a long line. I looked
through all my antenna books but was unable top find any reference to this
technique. I guess this is the same as power line transitions described by
VY1JA.

Peter, G3LDO
>




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No identifiable signals received here overnight.  QRN started building a 
few hours after sunset which reduced weak signal copy a little.  The 
only overnight capture that showed a possible signal was made at 0615 
hrs.  Anyone claim this signal:

http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/135920khz_31dec04.jpg

Dex


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John,

G4 Tech TV is a TV network dedicated to computers and computer gaming. From
their web site:

"Formed by the May, 2004 merger of G4 and TechTV, G4techTV is the one and
only 24-hour television network that is plugged into every dimension of
games, gear, gadgets and gigabytes. The network is available in 50 million
cable and satellite homes nationwide and airs 24 original series.
Headquartered in Los Angeles, G4techTV is owned by Comcast Corporation. To
learn more, log onto www.g4techtv.com. "

John Andrews, W1TAG




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Hartmut,

> Last night I found no improvements using the "Jimi Hendrix mode" in
> Jason 0.97.

Dex will disagree with me, but I must confess that Jimi Hendrix was never my
favorite at dawn. Later in the day, OK.

Anyway, nice copy on that last Jason screenshot!

John Andrews




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not much here either...best of the 
lot:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922123104A.jpg">http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922123104A.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>does look like there is an "X" on the right 
frequency...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jay, W1VD</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> A belated Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year to all on the reflector.
>  Unfortunately, I have been laid up with a bad cold for the past several
>  days, but I hope to be QRV on LF over the weekend.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
Ill drink a beer extra to your health, Jim!

Uwe/dj8wx



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Dmitry RA3YO schrieb:
> Hi Uwe,
>
> Good signal, but QRM
>
> 73 HNY
>
> Dmitry
> RA3YO
>
Hi Dimitry,

thanks for the report and the screenshots.

what is your locator?

regards 
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Dexter McIntyre W4DEX schrieb:
> No identifiable signals received here overnight.  QRN started building a 
> few hours after sunset which reduced weak signal copy a little.  The 
> only overnight capture that showed a possible signal was made at 0615 
> hrs.  Anyone claim this signal:
>
> http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/135920khz_31dec04.jpg
>
> Dex
>
Hi Dex and Jay,

thanks for the effort. 

what are your locators?

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Claudio Pozzi schrieb:
> On Thursday 30 December 2004 16:49, Mike Dennison wrote:
> > I transmitted last night from 1900 to 0800UTC on
> > 135.9215kHz, sending 'XDV' at approx hourly intervals.
> > DJ8WX was strong on 135.9223kHz. We both used
> > QRSS60.
> >
>
> Hi Mike and Uwe!
>
> Received in Milano, with loop antenna in balcony and direct conversion 
> receiver, despite Xmas lights.
>
> 23.00 DJ8WX O signal, 20 dB over noise, increasing to 30 dB over noise 
> after 00.30, 135.9223; XDV fairly visible
>
> 00.10 XDV T signal, abt 5-10 dB over noise, QSB, 135.9215
>
> My QRG calibrated over DCF39 138.830
>
> 73 and Happy New Year all lowfers
>
> Claudio, ik2pii
>
Hi Claudio,
thanks for the report. your locator please.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Hi All at LF,

I have been seeing CFH from about 1900z when I started monitoring with Spec
Lab.

When did it start transmitting again?

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

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Gary,

> I have been seeing CFH from about 1900z when I started monitoring with
Spec
> Lab.
> When did it start transmitting again?

I'd say within the last two hours.

John Andrews




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On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 07:29:59PM +0100, Walter Staubach wrote:
>        DI2AG is ready to start on 440.044KHz 1.1.05   23.00UTC.

I have set up a little live grabber at

http://141.30.213.64/~fabian/di2ag.html

showing 440 kHz from JO32QG. The picture automatically refreshes every
200 seconds. DI2AG is supposed to appear a bit above the two solid red
lines in the center (local QRM?).

The grabber will be running until about 2 UTC.

73,
-- 
Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK * http://fkurz.net/
rediscover the web: http://getfirefox.com/


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Hello All,

Reception can begin again centered on 135.9205, as the Aurora has died.
If any will be running QRSS60 or QRSS120, the gear will be monitoring and 
set for Auto-capture.
Let's hope the New Year starts right with a signal or two from EU on the 
screens in northern NA.

May you all have a great 2005.

J.
VY1JA
CP20kw




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All

Typo... Argo will be capturing 135920.6 through 135922.4 QRSS120 for the 
weekend, starting now, because the Aurora is gone.

J.
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Uwe and myself are active again tonight using QRSS60.
DJ8WX is on 135.9223kHz and I am on 135.9215kHz.

Thanks for all of the reports received today.

Mike, G3XDV
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On Friday 31 December 2004 17:53, jannsen wrote:

> Hi Claudio,
> thanks for the report. your locator please.
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv

jn45om

73 de Claudio, ik2pii

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Jim,

>An unusual form of words - rather similar to an e-mail I received recently
from my new Nigerian business partners:<

Wait a minute! I thought they were MY Nigerian business partners!

Then again... if you send them conventional money, and I send them rotating
money, maybe the partnerships can exist simultaneously!

John Andrews





