From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68305 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2004 23:47:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2004 23:47:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COPPo-0000ZE-1y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:47:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COPPn-0000Z5-LL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:47:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COPPm-0002J2-Fa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:47:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COPP2-0002up-Es for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:46:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COPP2-0002ug-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:46:28 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COPOy-0005F0-OL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:46:28 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-212.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.212] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1COPOo-000PIn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:46:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c4bfa4$64004ea0$d4c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41851FBC.2139.218E0C@localhost> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:49:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) QRN very strong here with S meter hitting the 9 even with the attenuator switched in. Even so saw a strong QRSS10 signal just below 137.8kHz appearing to be signing with a K. Switched to Full Band to see if he was working anyone and saw this QRSS10 signal at 138.08kHz sending WXDJ befor disappearing. I have fixed the antenna insulator problem so I may transmit at some time early morning on 135921kHz QRSS30?. Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80523 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CORac-000GnD-3u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:06:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CORac-000GnA-12 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:06:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CORLk-00018m-JN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:51:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CORKq-0003QM-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:50:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CORKq-0003QD-Da for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:50:16 +0000 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CORKm-0005Td-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:50:16 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA11o0SA010249 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:20:00 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iA11o1I5023789 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:20:02 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id iA11o1Xx019787; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:20:01 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:20:01 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007001c4bfa6$277e9520$0500a8c0@charter.net> Message-ID: References: <41851FBC.2139.218E0C@localhost> <001701c4bfa4$64004ea0$d4c828c3@erica> <007001c4bfa6$277e9520$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Report: * -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.16 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Re: TA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, John Andrews wrote: > Peter, > > > I have fixed the antenna insulator problem so I may transmit at some time > > early morning on 135921kHz QRSS30?. > > Will watch. After some work on the outdoor loop, I'm QRV to receive again. I'm willing to try for a 2-way before the CME hits. Thanks to Hartmut, Alan and Mike for the recent signal reports and to John W1TAG for the frequency check. It seems the TX has drifted up by 20 millihertz over the past 6 months! 73 Joe > > John A. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34957 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 05:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 05:31:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COV1w-000PL9-5p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:47:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COV1w-000PL6-0N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:47:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COUn3-0007RR-6Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:31:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COUmV-0004JF-80 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:31:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COUmU-0004J6-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:31:02 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COUmR-00060t-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:31:02 +0000 Received: from ingolfdell [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A938143D004A; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:27:20 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c4bfd3$40f96f70$0d00a8c0@ingolfdell> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 06:25:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
Very good god capture of VO1NA from 03:30 UTC her at JO65BP and continue during sunrise.
 
Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20709 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 06:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 06:05:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COVYk-0004B6-Hs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:20:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COVYk-0004B3-FL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:20:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COVJr-0000jv-Fx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:05:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COVJO-0004T8-Sl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:05:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COVJO-0004Sz-I2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:05:02 +0000 Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.159]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COVJK-00065L-FX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:05:02 +0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041101060449.BTZR22015.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:04:49 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.55.39.163]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041101060448.MHJD22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:04:48 +1300 Message-ID: <000601c4bfd8$ad5d23a0$a32737d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4184A1D2.9776.22990DF@localhost> <002001c4bf3a$9abb6fc0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:03:14 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Peter and others while you are trying for TA DX this Winter, would it be possible to aim some signals down this way as well? I had a look for DCF39 last night, the first time for several months and it was continuously visible from 1300 to 1900z, extremely strong at times with QRSS30 setting. I would suggest 1600 to 1800z if anyone wants to try a long shot. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4389 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 09:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 09:55:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COYuK-00030U-5u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:55:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COYuK-00030R-2z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:55:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COYuE-0006nQ-Ng for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:55:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COYtc-0005M3-J7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:54:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COYtc-0005Lu-8P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:54:40 +0000 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COYtY-0006fx-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:54:40 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-12.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.12] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1COYtS-0001wE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:54:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c4bff9$5d83d7e0$0c1686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4184A1D2.9776.22990DF@localhost> <002001c4bf3a$9abb6fc0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> <000601c4bfd8$ad5d23a0$a32737d2@mcalevey> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 09:57:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike > > while you are trying for TA DX this Winter, would it be possible to aim some > signals down this way as well? I had a look for DCF39 last night, the first > time for several months and it was continuously visible from 1300 to 1900z, > extremely strong at times with QRSS30 setting. I would suggest 1600 to 1800z > if anyone wants to try a long shot. > Will transmit LD on 135.921kHz from 1600 to 1800z this afternoon. Are there any obstructing signals around that frequency? I didn't get to transmit last night but WILL be on from 0400 to 0600z for TA tests, same frequency as above, probably QRSS30 unless anyone has other mode suggestions. Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14297 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 10:57:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 10:57:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COZse-000Gn0-Mi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:57:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COZse-000Gmx-Jo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:57:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COZsY-000FCm-ML for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:57:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COZs3-0005ej-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:57:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COZs3-0005ea-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:57:07 +0000 Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.158] helo=mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COZrz-0006vn-GP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:57:07 +0000 Received: by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id 4E840180008D; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:56:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3004 (wwinf3004 [172.22.159.31]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 38C841800081 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:56:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <25109992.1099306617219.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.236.252] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:56:57 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET=0.716,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0a=1.666 Subject: Re: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit




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Message date : Nov 01 2004, 06:05 AM
From : "McAlevey"
To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject : LF: DXing from Eu
Peter and others

while you are trying for TA DX this Winter, would it be possible to aim some
signals down this way as well? I had a look for DCF39 last night, the first
time for several months and it was continuously visible from 1300 to 1900z,
extremely strong at times with QRSS30 setting. I would suggest 1600 to 1800z
if anyone wants to try a long shot.

Mike ZL4OL


I will attempt DFCW on 135.922 using 240 sec elements  from 1600 to 1800 UTC  whenever I am available. Will try this evening althought this might be too late notice. 73 Laurie G3AQC


Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59274 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 16:44:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 16:44:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COfIF-000KsI-RZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:44:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COfIF-000KsF-L5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:44:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COfI7-000DOL-Ex for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:44:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COfGa-0006zA-F1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:42:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COfGa-0006z1-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:42:48 +0000 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.47]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COfGP-00088v-GN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:42:48 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041101164302.VEGC19539.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:43:02 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:42:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41866778.13382.1718853@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 62.253.162.47 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Decca Tx Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I have transferred all of the information I have on the Decca 5501 LF transmitter to the web. This is Handbook info I got fropm the Crawley club, inc most of the circuitry, plus modification info from Jim, M0BMU, and a photo. If anyone else has anything that might be of use, let me have it. The index page is: http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf/decca/transmitter.htm Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17660 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 16:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 16:54:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COfhG-000542-Vb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:10:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COfhF-00053S-Tp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:10:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COfSI-000LZ1-UY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:54:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COfRw-00075Y-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:54:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COfRv-00075P-SE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:54:31 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COfRl-0008CC-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:54:31 +0000 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1COfRj-0000Ql-03; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:54:19 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZY0cOYZFgegfHBEN8mQDxjnP5o1aQWUkrGGFBvu+MfVjW8ob0Mge41@[80.134.249.56]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1COfRY-1iWnho0; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:54:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:54:04 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1399723263.20041101175404@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZY0cOYZFgegfHBEN8mQDxjnP5o1aQWUkrGGFBvu+MfVjW8ob0Mge41 X-TOI-MSGID: 6b2f42b2-0019-4766-9645-2cd1bdda0099 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: VO1NA daytime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Again weak daytime reception of VO1NA between 1200 and 1400z today. Last night traces since 1830 until 1920z then O copy until 2230z, 2330-0130z, 0200-0700z and 0750-0900z. Hartmut Wolff mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de Locator: JO52HO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25054 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 18:10:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 18:10:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COgsS-000L8V-15 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:26:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COgsR-000L8S-Pd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:25:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COgdU-000ArB-BM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:10:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COgcu-0007QR-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:09:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COgct-0007QI-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:09:55 +0000 Received: from mta08-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COgcq-0008SV-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:09:55 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041101180936.EOSK26479.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:09:36 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:09:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41867BEE.13516.1C175DB@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 62.253.162.48 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: VO1NA 31 Oct / 1 Nov Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe's signals were very good at times during the night, but disappeared completely for a while. First signals were recorded around 2100UTC. Strength peaked at about 2330, gradually reduced to a trough at 0130 when only traces were seen for over two hours, then rose again to a peak at 0600, just before dawn, and faded out at about 0900UTC. A small picture of the the best reception, at 0600, is at: http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf/ Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80032 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 18:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 18:36:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COhHK-000Po5-3v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:51:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COhHK-000Po2-18 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:51:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COh2M-000DP8-Cv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:36:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COh1z-0007af-JE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:35:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COh1z-0007aW-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:35:51 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COh1s-00006Y-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:35:51 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1COh1r-0003aT-04; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:35:43 +0100 Received: from (r1f5dmZ1geO187py6EiMv8ag5EixAeB2HQxPX2eEB5+FSCMcChW846@[217.251.190.194]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1COh1n-1cCx0q0; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:35:39 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4184A1D2.9776.22990DF@localhost> <002001c4bf3a$9abb6fc0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> <000601c4bfd8$ad5d23a0$a32737d2@mcalevey> <000401c4bff9$5d83d7e0$0c1686d4@erica> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:35:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1COh1n-1cCx0q0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: r1f5dmZ1geO187py6EiMv8ag5EixAeB2HQxPX2eEB5+FSCMcChW846 X-TOI-MSGID: ccce5ec8-c18a-459a-94c9-0f73e947b470 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) g3ldo schrieb: > Will transmit LD on 135.921kHz from 1600 to 1800z this afternoon. Are there > any obstructing signals around that frequency? > > I didn't get to transmit last night but WILL be on from 0400 to 0600z for TA > tests, same frequency as above, probably QRSS30 unless anyone has other mode > suggestions. > > Peter G3LDO Hi Peter and all, Im transmitting abt 300W HF out on 135,921.75kHz in QRSS10 or QRSS30 from late evenings to late mornings. so I cant cross you Peter. further I will make some tests in QRSS3 mode on 136.0kHz for the purpose of field strength measurements and investigations of match settings dependent on different output power.(the RegTP will be involved with the FS Measurements). transmitter output power will be 20, 156 and 660 W. aerial: 16m vertical with elevated 0.8mH coil and with 3*70m an 1*15m horiz wires. each of the tests will last some hours without any break. any protests ? regards dj8wx/Uwe/jo43sv BTW. ERP 1W for german radio amateurs still not generally allowed. the amateur radio referent from the RegTP I today spoke with about it said he hasnt seen any paper conc ERP1W. (I myself got a special licency for ERP1W). From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5720 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 21:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 21:10:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COjgK-0003te-Me for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:25:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COjgK-0003tY-CB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:25:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COjRL-0000jw-Rk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:10:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COjQm-0008EG-Qb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:09:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COjQm-0008E7-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:09:36 +0000 Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.207]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COjQi-0000Yu-M7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:09:36 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.c8.50c9912d (16087) for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.130]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed74186a60223a; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:09:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 16:09:20 -0500 From: DL4YHF@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <099A086E.1157D4C0.00041B63@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 80.144.64.156 X-AOL-Language: german X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.207 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Uwe and group, Concerning 1-W-ERP limit in DL: Seems the info on the DARC-website was a bit ahead of its time, or too optimistically interpreted.. Good luck to anyone in the TA-business - though I didn't see lots of DX on saturday and sunday, it was much too noisy here. BTW Had some nice contacts in Chirp-Hell with Markus, DF6NM, on Sunday (we even tried a "fast mode" which was almost as fast as normal CW), and also got one new callsign in the logbook at DF0WD, after being passive for two years. Would have been nice to have worked some old friends from G-land, but got no reply so far (only heard one G-station calling in CW). So hoping that conditions will improve. Regards, Wolf DL4YHF. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5951 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 22:53:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 22:53:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COl3n-000LE9-5S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:53:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COl3n-000LE6-2Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:53:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COl3c-000Ch2-AP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:53:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COl32-0000Py-3J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:53:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COl31-0000Pp-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:53:11 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COl2y-0000nU-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:53:11 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.1d9.2eb6b5ae (4468) for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:52:50 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.2eb6b5ae.2eb81841@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 17:52:49 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.2 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Bad news is often a different spin!
 
I wish to hell this organisation ( in which I own stock) would get its corporate act together.
In a recent article written up in a prestigious professional journal for managerial people, BT were being quoted as concentrating their efforts on the conversion of their many and varied interests in a myriad of disparate networking technologies into a largely IP-based offering of services in a global marketplace. What with GPS, GLONAST and (soon to be) Galileo (the European version of GPS), what on earth are they hoping to gain and where is the commercial advantage. Or, am I missing a trick here? Is it just possible that LF has a commercial  or strategic value we are not informed about! I think we should be told.
 
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Pat g4gvw 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40024 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 23:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 23:09:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COlIb-000OHG-7S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:09:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COlIb-000OHD-3r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:09:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COlIQ-000LAl-5F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:09:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COlI9-0000Wi-H1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:08:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COlI9-0000WZ-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:08:49 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COlI5-0000qE-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:08:49 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.153.63.170 with poptime) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 23:08:39 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 23:08:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1d9.2eb6b5ae.2eb81841@aol.com> thread-index: AcTAZaZyYvWmk9CRSlmxuLKZfMBEtQAAXkQA X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.198 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_MSGID_EMPTY=1.666,TW_GV=0.077 Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Pat and all
 
I think it's more a case of getting some cash in for Rugby over the next 2 years whilst they have to keep it going to complete the MSF 60kHz contract.
It is the worst news I have heard for LF in the UK, it will kill the band... I know, I have tried to operate from Guernsey which is a similar distance from Lessay...
 
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Dave
G3YXM.

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G4gvw@aol.com
Sent: 01 November 2004 22:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station

Bad news is often a different spin!
 
I wish to hell this organisation ( in which I own stock) would get its corporate act together.
In a recent article written up in a prestigious professional journal for managerial people, BT were being quoted as concentrating their efforts on the conversion of their many and varied interests in a myriad of disparate networking technologies into a largely IP-based offering of services in a global marketplace. What with GPS, GLONAST and (soon to be) Galileo (the European version of GPS), what on earth are they hoping to gain and where is the commercial advantage. Or, am I missing a trick here? Is it just possible that LF has a commercial  or strategic value we are not informed about! I think we should be told.
 
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Pat g4gvw 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7919 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2004 23:43:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Nov 2004 23:43:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COlpg-0004QK-OB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:43:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COlpg-0004QH-LU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:43:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COlpV-000Oii-Hj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:43:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COlp7-0000h7-V2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:42:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COlp7-0000gy-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:42:53 +0000 Received: from smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.63]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COlp4-0000vE-32 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:42:53 +0000 Received: from 66-44-54-32.s32.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.54.32]:1026 helo=piii750.erols.com) by smtp04.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42 #5) id 1COloy-0003pc-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:42:45 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20041101183254.02313ec0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: esanders@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:43:06 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Nan and Sandy Sanders In-Reply-To: <1d9.2eb6b5ae.2eb81841@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 207.172.4.63 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of erols.com X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I think it is strategic value. There are many things that could happen to a satellite based system ranging from a really bad solar CME to ASAT weapons and jammers so it has been recognized that a back up is needed and like it or not Loran is about the only system out there that will work.
                                        Sandy
                                        WB5MMB




At 05:52 PM 11/1/04 -0500, you wrote:
Bad news is often a different spin!
 
I wish to hell this organisation ( in which I own stock) would get its corporate act together.
In a recent article written up in a prestigious professional journal for managerial people, BT were being quoted as concentrating their efforts on the conversion of their many and varied interests in a myriad of disparate networking technologies into a largely IP-based offering of services in a global marketplace. What with GPS, GLONAST and (soon to be) Galileo (the European version of GPS), what on earth are they hoping to gain and where is the commercial advantage. Or, am I missing a trick here? Is it just possible that LF has a commercial  or strategic value we are not informed about! I think we should be told.
 
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Pat g4gvw
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78310 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 00:07:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 00:07:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COmCj-0008Al-5s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:07:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COmCi-0008Ab-Ur for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:07:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COmCX-000AZN-OG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:07:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COmC2-0000rV-LM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:06:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COmC2-0000rM-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:06:34 +0000 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COmBy-0000zf-Ob for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 00:06:34 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.33.119 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 00:06:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c4c06f$d01d4ae0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <099A086E.1157D4C0.00041B63@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 00:06:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 01 November 2004 21:09 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DXing from Eu ......... > Would have been nice to have worked some old friends from G-land, but got no reply so far (only heard one G-station calling in CW). So hoping that conditions will improve. > > Regards, > Wolf DL4YHF. Hi Wolf you were a good signal in this part of the UK, I just saw the end of your QSO and heard the call.....a long time since I heard it last !! abt 559 here. At the time I was not even sure whether I had heard you or someone working you, as I had a TV drifty assault the frequency. Regards Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53366 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 04:43:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 04:43:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COql9-0009VI-Eh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:59:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COql9-0009VF-Bt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:59:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COqO7-000HnA-Ns for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:35:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COqM6-00025Y-BA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:33:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COqM5-00025P-Va for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:33:13 +0000 Received: from bay12-f38.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.38] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COqM0-0001hn-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:33:13 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:33:00 -0800 Received: from 24.227.172.114 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 04:32:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.227.172.114] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:32:54 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2004 04:33:00.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[08F4AF50:01C4C095] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.4.35.38 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hotmail.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,TW_QR=0.077 Subject: LF: conditions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Been mobiling for the last few days in South and West Texas (yee haa) and towards Laredo/Nuevo Laredo on the Mexican border EL07GL at around 8920Kms from DCF39. At around 2100 local (5 or 6 - GMT) I received fair sigs from dcf39 whilst sitting in reasonably quiet electrical location with the E probe but the qrn level was quite high with cold fronts coming in from the West. Nothing seen from any US part 5 station but I think theyve been off for the past days. Nothing from Eu tests - Other night l saw dcf39 at dot 10 whilst watching "lit pier fishin''" at EL18SK near Corpus Christi - again a lot of qrn - Im using a Ford Explorer and they are a heck more noisy at 137Khz than the Toyota Tundra... Now on my way back to Okie. Laurence KL1X/5 San Marcos Tx. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73590 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 08:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 08:04:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COtta-0009ps-1r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:20:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COttZ-0009pp-Va for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:20:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COteX-0002Yc-FP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:04:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COtdh-0002wE-Me for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:03:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COtdh-0002w5-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:03:37 +0000 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COtdd-00026C-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:03:37 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1COtdd-0002hj-00 for ; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:03:33 +0000 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (bts-0426.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.170]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id iA283RZ2016850 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:03:32 GMT Message-ID: <200411020803250204.1F0AE5CA@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:03:25 +0000 From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.247.47.231 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zetnet.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re[2]: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On 02/11/2004 at 02:49 Stewart Bryant wrote: >How diffiicult would it be to make a Loran gate to put in front of theRX? >After all the station is fixed so you must, in principle, know when the >pulses are due. The trouble is there isn't just one station. On 87kHz cave radios we often receive several Loran stations from different directions. People are looking at various solutions: time domain filters, frequency domain filters, Gates [no - _gates_ - this cough is mucking up my dictation software], even directional antennas. And application of Dr Nobel's linctus is not permitted. Further ideas would be welcome. John G3PAI Cave Radio & Electronics Group From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17308 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 08:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 08:32:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COuKw-000ECz-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:48:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COuKw-000ECw-Om for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:48:18 +0000 Received: from pih-mxlast02.plus.net ([212.159.6.18]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COu5u-0002OK-5B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:32:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxlast02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1COoni-0006Pr-Rg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:53:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COoja-0001Ww-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:49:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COoja-0001Wn-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:49:22 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COojV-0001LW-Ms for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:49:22 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (144.254.224.150) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2004 04:08:20 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iA22n8vL015627 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 03:49:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from zen.co.uk (dhcp-128-107-178-223.cisco.com [128.107.178.223]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24735 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 02:49:06 GMT Message-ID: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 02:49:06 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 144.254.224.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zen.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dave Pick wrote: > Pat and all > > I think it's more a case of getting some cash in for Rugby over the > next 2 years whilst they have to keep it going to complete the MSF > 60kHz contract. > It is the worst news I have heard for LF in the UK, it will kill the > band... I know, I have tried to operate from Guernsey which is a > similar distance from Lessay... > Looks like it's strategic. Look at http://www.loran.org/library/AvionicsPerspectivesAugust.pdf and other articles on the same site. Wonder if this is what they want 73KHz back for? How diffiicult would it be to make a Loran gate to put in front of theRX? After all the station is fixed so you must, in principle, know when the pulses are due. Stewart G3YSX > 73 > Dave > G3YXM. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G4gvw@aol.com > Sent: 01 November 2004 22:53 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station > > Bad news is often a different spin! > > I wish to hell this organisation ( in which I own stock) would get > its corporate act together. > In a recent article written up in a prestigious professional > journal for managerial people, BT were being quoted as > concentrating their efforts on the conversion of their many and > varied interests in a myriad of disparate networking technologies > into a largely IP-based offering of services in a global > marketplace. What with GPS, GLONAST and (soon to be) Galileo (the > European version of GPS), what on earth are they hoping to gain > and where is the commercial advantage. Or, am I missing a trick > here? Is it just possible that LF has a commercial or strategic > value we are not informed about! I think we should be told. > > 73 > Pat g4gvw > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74867 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 08:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 08:52:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COueH-000Hli-Sy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:08:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COueG-000Hl5-8s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:08:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COuPD-000NLK-Ej for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:52:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COuOp-0003Ae-5I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:52:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COuOo-0003AV-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:52:18 +0000 Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.159]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COuOk-0002Ej-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:52:18 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041102085154.KHAB22015.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:51:54 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.65.72]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041102085153.DBVW13668.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:51:53 +1300 Message-ID: <000f01c4c0b9$2edcedd0$484136d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <25109992.1099306617219.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:51:05 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Peter Laurie and Uwe thanks for the interest. I will start monitoring the 135.921 region each morning for a while. There does not appear to be any QRM. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6791 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 10:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 10:48:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COwS2-000K7e-RD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:03:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COwS2-000K7b-Oh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:03:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COwCz-000ICB-5y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:48:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COwCU-0003hS-0s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:47:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COwCT-0003hJ-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Watched QRSS30 centred on 135.922 last night/this morning but other than 2 LORAN lines and episodes of AC buzzing, nil. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71552 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 12:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 12:23:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COxhp-000OKn-Gd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:17:22 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1COxbF-0006Uj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:17:21 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:17:20 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: RE: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF Group, Dear old BT seem to have it in for LF amateurs - after all, it appears it was they who operated the 73.25kHz "grinder", which made operation on 73k so much more difficult. I spent some time last year trying out various noise blanker ideas for LF, without a lot of success. It is quite possible to gate out the impulses you are trying to get rid of, but in the process you add modulation sidebands to the powerful narrow-band signals adjacent to the amateur band, which effectively puts the impulses back in again (building a circuit which did that was quite annoying...). Filtering out the adjacent signals to reduce the amplitude of the sidebands has the effect of lengthening the impulses so that longer blanking periods are needed, increasing the duty cycle of the blanking gate, which also puts you back where you started more or less. Noise blanking is a non-linear process, so there are always going to be some distortion products generated. An alternative would be a cancellation scheme, which might work like this:- Receive the Loran signal (a simple TRF RX would be ideal), square up the pulses to regenerate the Loran sidebands locally, then pass them through a phase shifter and attenuator before summing with the 136kHz RX input, as in "noise cancelling" antenna schemes. The amplitude and phase of the regenerated sidebands could then be adjusted to null out the off-air Loran noise. It would probably be quite fiddly to operate, since any changes to the RX antenna, operating frequency, or the skywave component of the Loran signal would require re-adjustment of the null. I don't think a Loran station in the central UK would be a total disaster for LF; you could still use narrow-band modes like QRSS provided the frequency was selected carefully, and in many locations you could get a directional null on the Loran without eliminating all the signals you were trying to receive, but it certainly would make life more difficult, especially for CW operation... and especially if you are located where G3YXM is! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Rabson Sent: 02 November 2004 08:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re[2]: LF: Rugby Loran station On 02/11/2004 at 02:49 Stewart Bryant wrote: >How diffiicult would it be to make a Loran gate to put in front of theRX? >After all the station is fixed so you must, in principle, know when the >pulses are due. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8743 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 12:37:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 12:37:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COxug-0001wJ-Il for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:37:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COxuf-0001wF-Qg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:37:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1COxuP-0004Tq-BN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:37:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COxtx-0004DV-9h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:36:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COxtw-0004DM-TR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:36:40 +0000 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COxtt-0003DU-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:36:40 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.be.1ad035f5 (3996) for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:36:24 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:36:24 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 02/11/2004 12:24:00 GMT Standard Time, j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk writes:
I don't think a Loran station in the central UK would be a total disaster
for LF; you could still use narrow-band modes like QRSS provided the
frequency was selected carefully, and in many locations you could get a
directional null on the Loran without eliminating all the signals you were
trying to receive, but it certainly would make life more difficult,
especially for CW operation... and especially if you are located where G3YXM
is!
I believe Derek / Stewart etc managed to phase out the Loran signals from Lessay very successfully on the 136k - 2m transponder that they have licenced.
 
However, filtering at the receiver is a second choice.
With luck, and much 'lobbying' during any testing phase of the Rugby Loran may result in a 136kHz notch filter being placed in line with the feeder. We would need to generate lots of individual letters and find the most appropriate person or persons to send them to.
 
The RSGB EMC committee would probably also get involved in this.  Perhaps a call now while the Loran is being designed would be a good preventative step?
 
73
 
David  G0MRF 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12515 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 13:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 13:13:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COyj6-00030s-AF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:29:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1COyj6-00030c-2P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:29:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1COyU1-000GOM-HL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:13:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1COyTd-0004Op-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:13:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1COyTd-0004Og-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:13:33 +0000 Received: from mail3.bulldogcommunications.com ([212.158.192.11] helo=smtp.bulldogdsl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1COyTZ-0003Mm-Ud for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:13:33 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (host-84-9-80-1.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.80.1]) by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B927FFAAA for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:13:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <003d01c4c0dd$b8ed6e90$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:13:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.158.192.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
We have 136 only on a "non-interference" basis so complaints of QRM from Loran would get us absolutely nowhere. Bit more information - it's only there until BT finally closes the site totally in 2007 (in favour of building a "new town"!) and anyway it's in the wrong place as a permanent addition to the EU Loran system so it's for tests only. My personal opinion is it's a complete waste of time and money but you can't tell politicians anything! There aren't any receivers you can go out and buy and no-one's likely to make any. The transmitter itself is on loan from the French (actually a spare Megapulse unit from Lessay) who will control it from their Loran control center at Brest. Now there's something the anti-Euros could get their teeth into!
Walter G3JKV.
 
 
 
 
   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96684 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 16:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 16:40:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP1xK-000OL2-KI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:56:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP1xK-000OKn-8a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:56:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CP1iE-000F2g-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:40:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CP1hC-0005GF-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:39:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CP1hC-0005G6-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:39:46 +0000 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CP1h5-00047m-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:39:46 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO derekm3uttnxf9) (datter@btinternet.com@213.122.101.72 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 16:39:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c4c0fa$9429c960$48657ad5@derekm3uttnxf9> From: "Derek Atter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.197 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 4.0 (++++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Stewart, Re : Loran Blankers : It is not too difficult to build a blanker for Loran. I made one in the early days of the 136khz band to try it in comparison with antenna nulling techniques and it did work quite well. It used a diode gate in the RF signal input fed by an adjustable width monostable fed in turn by a delay equal to the Loran pulse interval triggered via an adjustable signal threshold. The diode gate was in effect operated by the previous pulse burst to overcome the problem of circuit delays and rise-time effects. From what I remember, I found it just as effective to blank the whole of the pulse burst rather than try to blank individual Loran pulses. The technique was similar to that used on HF to combat the old Russian "Woodpecker" over-the -horizon radar. The diode gate reduced the Loran pulses only down to the average background band noise level rather than right down the to receiver noise floor so as to minimise modulation of ordinary band noise. In the end. I actually went for antenna nulling as being more flexible in also being potentially able to null other sources of QRM.such as CFH etc. when it was on. 73, Derek Atter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:49 AM Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station > > > Stewart G3YSX wrote: > > > How diffiicult would it be to make a Loran gate to put in front of theRX? > After all the station is fixed so you must, in principle, know when the > pulses are due. > > Stewart G3YSX > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75056 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 17:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 17:44:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP2iH-000PyZ-8T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:44:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP2iH-000PyW-3c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:44:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CP2hy-0006fj-Gi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:44:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CP2gn-0005Yw-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:43:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CP2gn-0005Yn-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:43:25 +0000 Received: from smtp.bulldogdsl.com ([212.158.192.11]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CP2gk-0004Mi-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:43:25 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (host-84-9-85-33.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.85.33]) by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2811DFD70 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:43:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <003801c4c103$70eab870$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> <001701c4c0fa$9429c960$48657ad5@derekm3uttnxf9> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:43:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.158.192.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Atter" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station > Stewart, > > Re : Loran Blankers : > > It is not too difficult to build a blanker for Loran. I made one in the > early days of the 136khz band to try it in comparison with antenna nulling > techniques and it did work quite well. It used a diode gate in the RF > signal > input fed by an adjustable width monostable fed in turn by a delay equal > to > the Loran pulse interval triggered via an adjustable signal threshold. The > diode gate was in effect operated by the previous pulse burst to overcome > the problem of circuit delays and rise-time effects. From what I remember, > I > found it just as effective to blank the whole of the pulse burst rather > than > try to blank individual Loran pulses. The technique was similar to that > used > on HF to combat the old Russian "Woodpecker" over-the -horizon radar. The > diode gate reduced the Loran pulses only down to the average background > band > noise level rather than right down the to receiver noise floor so as to > minimise modulation of ordinary band noise. In the end. I actually went > for > antenna nulling as being more flexible in also being potentially able to > null other sources of QRM.such as CFH etc. when it was on. > > 73, Derek Atter > > Yes, the series of 8 pulses only lasts 8 mS so even if you cut out an 8 mS hole there's still 92% of other signals left if the rep rate is 100 mS. Unfortunately if you get two strong signals as you will with both Lessay and Rugby you'll lose another 8% and have only 86% left! However, probably enough using QRSS. Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21667 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2004 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2004 19:18:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP4QB-000A15-7s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:34:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP4QB-000A12-52 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:34:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CP4B4-000M82-DN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:18:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CP4AP-00062r-6m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:18:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CP4AO-00062i-Qb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:18:04 +0000 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CP4AL-0004du-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:18:04 +0000 Received: from danton-2-81-57-233-115.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.233.115] helo=parissn2) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CP4AI-0000kx-OO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:17:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c4c110$b7e9b200$0702a8c0@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> <001701c4c0fa$9429c960$48657ad5@derekm3uttnxf9> <003801c4c103$70eab870$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:18:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Walter and all, This is more complex than it appears. > Yes, the series of 8 pulses only lasts 8 mS Well, on a master station, there is a ninth pulse with an extra millisecond gap, so you would need to blank for 10 ms. > so even if you cut out an 8 mS > hole there's still > 92% of other signals left if the rep rate is 100 mS. Not true. For example, if you have a 100 watt CW transmitter with the key held down, the carrier power is 100 watts. Now, what happens when you send a string of dots (50% duty)? Your total power out is indeed 50 watts, but only 25 watts is in the carrier; the other half is in the keying sidebands (if ideal envelope shaping). In general, the carrier power is multiplied by the square of the duty cycle. I don't know what Rugby will transmit. The master rate of Lessay is 67.31 ms. It's a dual-rated station, also emitting slave pulse trains every 74.99 ms for the Sylt chain. http://www.megapulse.com/chaininfo.html So, if you blanked only Lessay, the duty cycle is roughly ((67-10)/67) * ((75-8)/75) = 0.76, which leaves only about 58% of the desired signal power. Of course, when you also blank Rugby, it will be worse. It might not be that bad, because the blanker also kills some noise. If the noise is Gaussian, only 76% would get through, and the S/N would be 76% of the unblanked case. However, as others have stated, sidebands created by blanking QRM could greatly *increase* the noise level at the desired frequency. IMHO, the right way to remove LORAN interference is with a software module added to programs such as ARGO. It could easily suppress LORAN by 25 dB or better, while removing no more than 1% of the desired signal(s). Side effects would include cancellation of any receiver drift, and the ability to confidently read frequencies with millihertz accuracy. LORAN isn't all bad :) 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20908 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 00:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 00:18:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP95w-000CWQ-28 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:33:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CP95v-000CWN-Tq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:33:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CP8qn-0008KR-FF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:18:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CP8pt-0007Ql-Q3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:17:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CP8pt-0007Qc-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:17:13 +0000 Received: from mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.220]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CP8pp-0005a2-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:17:13 +0000 Received: from mxip02.cluster1.charter.net (mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.132]) by mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA30H28x001216 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:17:02 -0500 Received: from cpe-68-116-172-18.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (68.116.172.18) by mxip02.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 02 Nov 2004 19:17:02 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,116,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="399723236:sNHT13598568" Message-ID: <003501c4c13a$98552f80$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> <001701c4c0fa$9429c960$48657ad5@derekm3uttnxf9> <003801c4c103$70eab870$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 00:18:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.220 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Unidentified 135921.72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I was seeing a weak QRSS-like signal on 135921.72 between 2330 and 0000 UTC. No ID possible. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1119 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 05:22:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 05:22:30 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPDqU-0008KX-59 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:38:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPDqU-0008KU-2a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:38:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPDbJ-000JuI-No for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:22:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPDaa-0000RK-52 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:21:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPDaZ-0000RB-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:21:43 +0000 Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.187]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPDaV-0006Tb-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:21:43 +0000 Received: from pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041103052130.MMTU23009.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:21:30 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([219.88.21.243]) by pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041103052130.ZETK16957.pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:21:30 +1300 Message-ID: <000001c4c164$f95e3e50$f31558db@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <25109992.1099306617219.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> <000f01c4c0b9$2edcedd0$484136d2@mcalevey> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:20:47 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.187 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Nothing seen this morning around 135.921. It was a noisy night for QRN though. I will continue monitoring. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38512 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 09:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 09:52:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPI3m-0000cQ-NH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:08:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPI3m-0000cI-C6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:08:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CPHoa-000Kwk-DN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:52:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPHnu-0001aC-Pq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:51:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPHnu-0001a3-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:51:46 +0000 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPHnm-00078Z-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:51:46 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041103094941.RRNI25095.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:49:41 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:51:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4188AA2B.21796.2CA200@localhost> In-reply-to: <002a01c4c110$b7e9b200$0702a8c0@parissn2> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 62.253.162.43 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On 2 Nov 2004 at 20:18, Stewart Nelson wrote: > Not true. For example, if you have a 100 watt CW transmitter > with the key held down, the carrier power is 100 watts. > Now, what happens when you send a string of dots (50% duty)? > Your total power out is indeed 50 watts, but only 25 watts > is in the carrier; the other half is in the keying sidebands > (if ideal envelope shaping). In general, the carrier power > is multiplied by the square of the duty cycle. But doesn't the lost power depend on the Morse speed? Are you saying that for a dot lasting an hour, 50% of the total key down power is taken up by the few milliseconds at key up/down? Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95983 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 10:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 10:12:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPIMh-0006E4-Hu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:27:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPIMh-0006E1-FP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:27:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPI7V-000BQT-Cc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:12:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPI73-0001hS-8X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:11:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPI72-0001hJ-T3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:11:32 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPI6z-0007CN-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:11:32 +0000 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CPI6y-0006qK-07; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:11:28 +0100 Received: from (TtN4mcZZQeXDAv+PCjX6iEvKGHL3p3IpW50xb2wpOvVAtB0vlIX360@[217.251.192.85]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CPI6q-0Sx5Ga0; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:11:20 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> <001701c4c0fa$9429c960$48657ad5@derekm3uttnxf9> <003801c4c103$70eab870$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <003501c4c13a$98552f80$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:11:20 +0100 Message-ID: <1CPI6q-0Sx5Ga0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: TtN4mcZZQeXDAv+PCjX6iEvKGHL3p3IpW50xb2wpOvVAtB0vlIX360 X-TOI-MSGID: 7f656f68-8b7f-41c8-a7f3-ce23a6fccd92 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305,TW_TW=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Unidentified 135921.72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John Andrews schrieb: > I was seeing a weak QRSS-like signal on 135921.72 between 2330 and 0000 UTC. > No ID possible. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > Hi John, my transmitter was on the air btwn 2330 an 0000 UT and some hours later in 30secQRSS - but on 135,921.75kHz. could that be the QRG you read from the screen? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98679 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 11:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 11:16:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJN1-000ImE-ML for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:32:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJN1-000Im0-9H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:32:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPJ7o-000DL3-KF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:16:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJ7K-000236-MU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJ7K-00022x-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:54 +0000 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPJ7D-0007Ph-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:54 +0000 Received: from danton-2-81-57-233-115.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.233.115] helo=parissn2) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CPJ7B-0006Fs-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c4c196$8b7ce5d0$0702a8c0@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4188AA2B.21796.2CA200@localhost> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:16:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) >> Not true. For example, if you have a 100 watt CW transmitter >> with the key held down, the carrier power is 100 watts. >> Now, what happens when you send a string of dots (50% duty)? >> Your total power out is indeed 50 watts, but only 25 watts >> is in the carrier; the other half is in the keying sidebands >> (if ideal envelope shaping). In general, the carrier power >> is multiplied by the square of the duty cycle. > > But doesn't the lost power depend on the Morse speed? > Are you saying that for a dot lasting an hour, 50% of the > total key down power is taken up by the few milliseconds at > key up/down? No. If you send one-hour dots every two hours, and had a "key click" filter with a time constant of an hour, then a 100-watt Tx at 136 kHz would put out 25 W on 136000 Hz, 12.5 W on ~ 136000.000139 Hz, and 12.5 W on ~ 135999.999861 Hz. If you use a filter with a time constant of a few milliseconds, the carrier power is still only 25 W. However, there are now also sidebands at ~ 136000.000417 Hz, 136000.000694 Hz, etc. In either of the above cases, nearly all the sideband energy would fall within your receiver's bandwidth, so you could indeed claim 50 W average useful output from the Tx. However, a LORAN blanker would be gating the signal on and off much faster than the desired signal's message modulation. The sidebands created would be offset from the carrier by > 10 Hz, and would not even appear on the Argo screen. --Stewart From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2902 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 11:28:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 11:28:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJJX-000NDl-5m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:28:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJJX-000NDi-0z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:28:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CPJJ7-000LOf-16 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:28:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJIb-00026q-8U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:27:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJIa-00026h-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:27:32 +0000 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPJIU-0007Tb-2L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:27:32 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.4]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11552 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:23:43 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:25:31 -0000 Message-ID: <01C4C197.D3FECC50.actalbot@southsurf.com> From: Andy To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:25:30 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: UKNWN(UK) X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.80.0.234 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.516 Subject: RE: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) For a dot lasting an hour, followed by a space lasting an hour and then repeated, the total power is 50 Watts, with 25W in the carrier, and the rest in the entire set of sidebands stretching out to infinite frequency each side (negative frequencies included which just wrap round) and the sidebands spaced apart by 0.0001389Hz. The amplitude roll-off depends on the pulse shaping, but the total energy is contained only in an infinite bandwidth. So if YOU filter out this signal in your Rx, the received power could vary with CW speed as you lose some sideband energy. Andy G4JNT On Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:52 AM, Mike Dennison [SMTP:mike.dennison@ntlworld.com] wrote: > On 2 Nov 2004 at 20:18, Stewart Nelson wrote: > > > Not true. For example, if you have a 100 watt CW transmitter > > with the key held down, the carrier power is 100 watts. > > Now, what happens when you send a string of dots (50% duty)? > > Your total power out is indeed 50 watts, but only 25 watts > > is in the carrier; the other half is in the keying sidebands > > (if ideal envelope shaping). In general, the carrier power > > is multiplied by the square of the duty cycle. > > But doesn't the lost power depend on the Morse speed? > Are you saying that for a dot lasting an hour, 50% of the > total key down power is taken up by the few milliseconds at > key up/down? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81144 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 11:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 11:44:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJnp-0000Od-J3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:59:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJnp-0000OT-9W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:59:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPJYc-000D1s-K3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:44:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJYF-0002EI-6g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:43:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJYE-0002E9-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:43:42 +0000 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPJY8-0007Y8-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:43:42 +0000 Received: from danton-2-81-57-233-115.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.233.115] helo=parissn2) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CPJY6-0000nl-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:43:34 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c4c19a$6e77dd10$0702a8c0@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4C197.D3FECC50.actalbot@southsurf.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:44:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > For a dot lasting an hour, followed by a space lasting an hour and then > repeated, the total power is 50 Watts, with 25W in the carrier, and the rest > in the entire set of sidebands stretching out to infinite frequency each side > (negative frequencies included which just wrap round) and the sidebands spaced > apart by 0.0001389Hz. The amplitude roll-off depends on the pulse shaping, but > the total energy is contained only in an infinite bandwidth. > > So if YOU filter out this signal in your Rx, the received power could vary with > CW speed as you lose some sideband energy. > > Andy G4JNT Of course. Indeed, when you have key clicks, you are not only interfering with other users of the spectrum, but some of your valuable transmitted energy will be ignored by the intended receiver, effectively reducing your signal strength. With filtering appropriate for the chosen speed, only a tiny portion of the energy should be outside the receiver's bandwidth. --Stewart From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23112 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 11:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 11:59:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJnp-0005PN-6P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:59:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJno-0005PK-Uc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:59:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CPJnO-0004RF-Q6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:59:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJn0-0002L3-Li for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:58:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJn0-0002Ku-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:58:58 +0000 Received: from mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.202]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPJmp-0007bY-I2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:58:58 +0000 Received: from mxip13.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA3BwdW4025498 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:58:40 -0500 Received: from cpe-68-116-172-18.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (68.116.172.18) by mxip13.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 03 Nov 2004 06:58:40 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,116,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="504467920:sNHT16288152" Message-ID: <001601c4c19c$9c8d9580$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> <001701c4c0fa$9429c960$48657ad5@derekm3uttnxf9> <003801c4c103$70eab870$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <003501c4c13a$98552f80$0500a8c0@charter.net> <1CPI6q-0Sx5Ga0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:59:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.202 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_TW=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Unidentified 135921.72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Uwe, > my transmitter was on the air btwn 2330 an 0000 UT and some hours later in > 30secQRSS - but on 135,921.75kHz. could that be the QRG you read from the > screen? Yes, it's certainly possible. Conditions were fairly noisy here last night, with the Loran lines being lost at times. I did see some fragments on that frequency between 0300 and 0400 UTC, but much to little to ID. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52334 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 12:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 12:09:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJxm-0007k2-Li for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:10:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJxm-0007ju-CD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:10:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CPJxM-000CZ6-Ay for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:09:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJwz-0002SN-3s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:09:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJwy-0002SE-Pf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:09:16 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPJws-0007dd-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:09:16 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.4.215 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 12:09:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c4c19d$e2b119a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:08:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: PSK31 at 1200z 3rd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, there was a good strength PSK31 (?) signal on 137530 at 1200z today. I could not decode it as I no longer have a program on this machine (and I missed the morse ID!) Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02pb near Ipswich. alan.melia(at)btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46890 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 17:05:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 17:05:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPOaV-000NlJ-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:06:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPOaV-000NlG-3x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:06:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPOa3-000BPp-0M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:05:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPOZ1-0003ja-Rc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:04:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPOZ1-0003jR-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:04:51 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPOYr-0000Bw-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:04:51 +0000 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CPOYq-0005MT-01; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:04:40 +0100 Received: from (GQFyWiZCQegTXd2Mu5mS2VXb91un6Y6ejVJDWrfhbenLvCKAemm8Z0@[217.251.196.83]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CPOY5-1LdLFJ0; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:03:53 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4186F5A2.9080706@zen.co.uk> <001701c4c0fa$9429c960$48657ad5@derekm3uttnxf9> <003801c4c103$70eab870$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <003501c4c13a$98552f80$0500a8c0@charter.net> <1CPI6q-0Sx5Ga0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <001601c4c19c$9c8d9580$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:03:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1CPOY5-1LdLFJ0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: GQFyWiZCQegTXd2Mu5mS2VXb91un6Y6ejVJDWrfhbenLvCKAemm8Z0 X-TOI-MSGID: fd9a413c-8890-482f-b6b3-5f9cb7d49e4d X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305,TW_TW=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Unidentified 135921.72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John Andrews schrieb: > Uwe, > > > my transmitter was on the air btwn 2330 an 0000 UT and some hours later in > > 30secQRSS - but on 135,921.75kHz. could that be the QRG you read from the > > screen? > > Yes, it's certainly possible. > > Conditions were fairly noisy here last night, with the Loran lines being > lost at times. I did see some fragments on that frequency between 0300 and > 0400 UTC, but much to little to ID. > > John Andrews > > > Ok John, that was the second sequence of transmission. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18589 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 17:32:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 17:32:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPP0G-0003iW-Rv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:33:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPP0G-0003iT-Oy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:33:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CPOzo-000Mil-Ex for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPOzR-0003uq-Fe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPOzR-0003uh-4P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:09 +0000 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPOzG-0000J6-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:09 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iA3HVVp9010401 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:01:49 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iA3HVVI5008315 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:01:31 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id iA3HVVgP016170; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:01:31 -0330 (NST) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:01:30 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000701c4a0b2$2b4ce8e0$33ce28c3@erica> Message-ID: References: <000701c4a0b2$2b4ce8e0$33ce28c3@erica> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.16 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Good home required Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Peter, Do you have any left? I could use a few lengths and will certainly pay for the postage costs to Canada. 73 Joe On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, g3ldo wrote: > I have a quantity of Litz wire that needs a good home. This is the 700strand > stuff that is used in the Decca loading coils. I think that there is about > 700m of it in lengths ranging from 16 to 27m. The ends have all been dressed > and soldered so it is easy to link up. > Total weight about 25kg. > > I am reinstalling the LF antenna, which was removed from the mast during the > summer to allow experiments on HF antennas for my 'Antennas' column in > RadCom. > The loading coils have been hosed down to remove several months salt > encrustation from sea gales! > Spider cooking time expected to start later this week. > > Peter G3LDO > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16243 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 18:09:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 18:09:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPPp6-0004CB-3g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:25:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPPp5-0004C7-EO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:25:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPPZq-000DJW-D9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:09:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPPYe-00042g-0E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:08:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPPYd-00042X-Ht for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:08:31 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPPYZ-0000Tl-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:08:31 +0000 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CPPYY-0008NS-06; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:08:26 +0100 Received: from HW1 (XjyH2cZYZeTfgSMC55zFMiFgpBFDvIquQ+VhTNUG5ZNK4PjujMlC6T@[217.225.101.236]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CPPYI-0h76Qa0; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:08:10 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:07:40 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <525513781.20041103190740@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: XjyH2cZYZeTfgSMC55zFMiFgpBFDvIquQ+VhTNUG5ZNK4PjujMlC6T X-TOI-MSGID: beaea9d1-1b48-48fb-ae71-ef349323ce9c X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: VO1NA 2/3 Nov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Copied VO1NA 0130-0730z despite a high QRN level. Best strength 0400-0500z and traces until 0930z. Hartmut Wolff mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de Locator: JO52HO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56416 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 22:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 22:06:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPTWG-000Lfn-Sz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:22:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPTWG-000Lfk-Q4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:22:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPTH0-000HF8-Bg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:06:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPTGK-00055Y-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:05:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPTGJ-00055P-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:05:51 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPTGG-0001Dh-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:05:51 +0000 Received: from CPHL039 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5653C38024E; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:02:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c4c1f0$cd36f7e0$1000a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: "LF Group" , dj8wx@qsl.net Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:02:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: DJ8WX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
I recive DJ8WX with 59 her in JO65BP in Roskilde 30 km west of Copenhagen at 20:55 UTC
 
Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76535 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 22:39:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 22:39:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPTnR-000FmL-A6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:40:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPTnR-000FmH-3D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:40:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPTmw-0001kT-7u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:39:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPTmb-0005HB-Ri for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:39:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPTmb-0005H2-Fn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:39:13 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPTmX-0001K6-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:39:13 +0000 Received: from ingolfdell [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD3754500044; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:35:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c4c1f5$3657ab80$0d00a8c0@ingolfdell> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, dj8wx@qsl.net Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:33:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE:DJ8WX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000507090004050209030208" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000507090004050209030208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi DJ8WX
 
Her is the captur from Argo at 22:32 UTC around 135,9 Khz
 
Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC
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autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) OZ7QC schrieb: > Hi DJ8WX > > Her is the captur from Argo at 22:32 UTC around 135,9 Khz > > Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC tak for det Ingolf Uwe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61276 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 18:01:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 18:01:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPmB1-000HH1-FB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:17:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp 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Received: from mcalevey ([210.55.39.68]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041104180024.CRJL22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:00:24 +1300 Message-ID: <000201c4c298$2840cf10$442737d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4184A1D2.9776.22990DF@localhost> <002001c4bf3a$9abb6fc0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> <000601c4bfd8$ad5d23a0$a32737d2@mcalevey> <000401c4bff9$5d83d7e0$0c1686d4@erica> <1COh1n-1cCx0q0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 06:59:40 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.118 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) No DX signals seen overnight here. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33476 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 20:33:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 20:33:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPoYL-000I5i-0S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:49:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPoYK-000I5M-JB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:49:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CPoIv-0000Lp-Uk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:33:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPoIb-0002JJ-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:33:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPoIb-0002JA-Ii for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:33:37 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPoIY-0005GB-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:33:37 +0000 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CPoIX-0007oz-0A; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:33 +0100 Received: from (ESB584ZAoetwMRAFvYzaaVFEBT8cN++tMW+sjwThTuGiYf0jZ-LLw7@[217.251.195.177]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CPoIU-032dY80; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:33:30 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4184A1D2.9776.22990DF@localhost> <002001c4bf3a$9abb6fc0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> <000601c4bfd8$ad5d23a0$a32737d2@mcalevey> <000401c4bff9$5d83d7e0$0c1686d4@erica> <1COh1n-1cCx0q0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> <000201c4c298$2840cf10$442737d2@mcalevey> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:33:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1CPoIU-032dY80@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: ESB584ZAoetwMRAFvYzaaVFEBT8cN++tMW+sjwThTuGiYf0jZ-LLw7 X-TOI-MSGID: 284ee457-1c48-4192-abae-6c437d148626 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) McAlevey schrieb: > No DX signals seen overnight here. > > Mike ZL4OL > thanks Mike. my TX was on from 03.11. 2349 - 04.11. 0600UT and 1621 - 2100UT and will be agn for TA test in abt two hours. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64045 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 20:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 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Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:37:58 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta08-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041104203739.WWMS25811.mta08-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:37:39 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:37:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <418A9322.8405.25B3A6@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 62.253.162.48 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DX test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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Mode is QRSS90. Any reports welcomed. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88898 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 21:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 21:38:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPpYJ-0003Hd-Cw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:53:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPpYJ-0003Ha-A8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:53:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPpIt-0002M0-Ro for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:37:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPpHb-0002fN-P0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:36:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPpHb-0002fE-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:36:39 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPpHX-0005RE-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:36:39 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-20-158.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.20.158]:3563 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CPpEl-000DvX-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 21:33:43 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 21:37:53 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: LF: Re : DJ8WX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010005000908020109050800" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010005000908020109050800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe & LF, Signal very strong here in North West UK at IO83qp. Just audible above noise. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Any reports welcomed. > > Mike, G3XDV > =========== > > ok Mike, my signs will be on 135,922.05kHz from now until abt 0600UTC. Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14918 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2004 23:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Nov 2004 23:37:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPrQF-000NQb-4w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:53:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPrQF-000NQY-1z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:53:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CPrAp-0005E9-8Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:37:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPrAL-0003J7-Nh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:37:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPrAL-0003Iy-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:37:17 +0000 Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.158] helo=mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPrAH-0005lZ-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 23:37:17 +0000 Received: by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id A28E0180008D; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:37:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3005 (wwinf3005 [172.22.159.32]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8BADE1800088 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:37:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <11092937.1099611427554.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.25.241] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:37:07 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET=0.716,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0a=1.666 Subject: Re: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit




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Message date : Nov 04 2004, 06:01 PM
From : "McAlevey"
To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject : LF: DXing from Eu
No DX signals seen overnight here.

Mike ZL4OL

Many thanks for the report Mike. conditions not too good CME on 30/31 still having effect . will keep on trying , hope no more Sun activity for a week or two.

73 Laurie



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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67020 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 00:04:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPrqC-000219-LO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:20:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPrqC-000216-IW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:20:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPram-000PLB-L0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:04:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPrZ8-0003UD-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:02:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPrZ8-0003U4-Io for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:02:54 +0000 Received: from mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.206]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPrZ5-0005qP-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:02:54 +0000 Received: from mxip07.cluster1.charter.net (mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.137]) by mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA502h6M013917 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:02:44 -0500 Received: from cpe-68-116-172-18.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (68.116.172.18) by mxip07.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 04 Nov 2004 19:02:44 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,121,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="403072052:sNHT11430436" Message-ID: <002f01c4c2ca$ee407300$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <418A9322.8405.25B3A6@localhost> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:03:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.206 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike, I am seeing an unidentified signal on 135921.60 at 0H UTC. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21335 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 10:21:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 10:21:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ1Ek-000LxG-EZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:22:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ1Ej-000Lwd-5W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:22:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQ1Dz-000Hz1-Vw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:21:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ1DN-0005sk-A7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:21:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ1DM-0005sb-Vc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:21:04 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQ1DJ-0007OF-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:21:04 +0000 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CQ1DI-0000rI-05; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:21:00 +0100 Received: from (VsPKDBZVYeC8GMeP-wP4LiSBSrTB+ASpkzR-WL87ZE85vLJ1-yZ88n@[217.251.196.3]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CQ1D2-1Q59Ie0; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:20:44 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <418A9322.8405.25B3A6@localhost> <002f01c4c2ca$ee407300$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:20:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1CQ1D2-1Q59Ie0@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: VsPKDBZVYeC8GMeP-wP4LiSBSrTB+ASpkzR-WL87ZE85vLJ1-yZ88n X-TOI-MSGID: 352b3719-726e-49bc-8609-0baa7269e8f2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.82 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John Andrews schrieb: > Mike, > > I am seeing an unidentified signal on 135921.60 at 0H UTC. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > it was surely Mike, G3XDV. my QRG was 135,922.05kHz but when I came into the shack this morning I saw the PSU did switch off itself some time over night. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23770 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 11:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 11:49:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ2qe-000MR6-ET for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:05:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ2qe-000MR1-3E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:05:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQ2b9-0001uS-SO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:49:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ2ae-0006G7-Ta for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:49:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ2ae-0006Fy-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:49:12 +0000 Received: from salador.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQ2aa-0007g1-No for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:49:12 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by salador.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA5Bn1NW006618 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:19:02 -0330 (NST) (envelope-from jcraig@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iA5Bn1I5005284 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:19:01 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id iA5Bn0Fh004636; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:19:00 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:19:00 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002f01c4c2ca$ee407300$0500a8c0@charter.net> Message-ID: References: <418A9322.8405.25B3A6@localhost> <002f01c4c2ca$ee407300$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Re: DX test Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I also saw something on that frequency while the TX was off from 0130-0200 UTC. 73 Joe VO1NA On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, John Andrews wrote: > Mike, > > I am seeing an unidentified signal on 135921.60 at 0H UTC. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24335 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 12:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 12:25:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe, > I also saw something on that frequency while the TX was off > from 0130-0200 UTC. You should have! Turned out to be a Loran line from Newfoundland, wherever that is. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78048 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 15:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 15:08:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ5hu-000Fdh-Bz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:08:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ5hu-000Fde-9A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:08:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQ5h9-00034a-5Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ5gQ-00075Q-BF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:07:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ5gP-00075H-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:07:21 +0000 Received: from ncc2.infomail.es ([195.235.39.4] helo=infomail.es) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQ5gM-0008OI-86 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 15:07:21 +0000 Received: from joan ([172.16.101.247]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #1099667229.003060001; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:07:09 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c4c349$223341f0$05001aac@joan> From: "Joan Morros" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:07:14 +0100 Organization: lleida.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Infomail-Id: 1099667229.0132010A811067.47229 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.235.39.4 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lleida.org X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TX test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear LF'ers
 
I am EA3FXF. I live in the city of Lleida (JN01HO).
I have a Marconi 9 ms. high and 18 ms. hat.
My TX is 2 x IRF640 = 90W / 50 ohm.
The next saturday night i will be runing on 137700 dot30, 22:00 to 24:00 UTC.
 
Any reports welcomed
 
73
Juan, EA3FXF
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7948 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 18:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 18:08:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ8W5-00097P-6g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:08:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ8W4-00097F-Mi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:08:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQ8VI-000MPn-CY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:08:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ8UY-0007pO-PN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:07:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ8UY-0007pF-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:07:18 +0000 Received: from bay12-f18.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.18] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQ8UU-0000cS-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:07:18 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:07:07 -0800 Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:06:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:06:19 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2004 18:07:07.0401 (UTC) FILETIME=[43264790:01C4C362] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.35.18 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_11_50=0.559,RAZOR2_CHECK=0.899 Subject: Re: LF: DXing from Eu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Pretty poor last night and I couldnt even hear dcf39 audibly here in Okie - Laurene Kl1x/5 >From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: DXing from Eu >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 00:37:07 +0100 (CET) > >06:01 PM >>From : "McAlevey" >To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Copy to : >Subject : LF: DXing from Eu >No DX signals seen overnight here. > >Mike ZL4OL > >Many thanks for the report Mike. conditions not too good CME on 30/31 still >having effect . will keep on trying , hope no more Sun activity for a week >or two. >73 Laurie > >-- > >Whatever you Wanadoo: >http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ > >This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: >http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20472 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 18:11:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ8Zq-000ASp-At for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:12:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQ8Zp-000ASa-Qo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:12:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQ8Z3-0000aD-EK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:11:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ8Yq-0007sP-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:11:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQ8Yq-0007sG-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:11:44 +0000 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQ8Yn-0000dU-6i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:11:44 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041105180943.WPTR25095.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:09:43 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:11:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <418BC25A.19166.1787BB8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 62.253.162.43 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: XDV DX test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I was on 135.9215kHz from 2100 to 0900UTC last night to test the rig etc. Nothing got hot and no sparks. The only thing that failed was the computer monitor that did not like being on standby all night and blew a fuse. On replacing the fuse a capacitor flashed over, so I need to investigate further. Expect to be operational all night again on Saturday. Mike, G3XDV ============ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53700 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 19:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 19:46:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQAHo-000CDR-PE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:02:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQAHg-000CAT-Uv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 20:02:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQA29-0004Db-Di for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:46:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQA1O-0008HC-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:45:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQA1O-0008H3-Le for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:45:18 +0000 Received: from mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQA1L-0000uj-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:45:18 +0000 Received: from mxip14.cluster1.charter.net (mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.144]) by mxsf26.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA5Jj2mB010947 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:45:02 -0500 Received: from fep06.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.86) by mxip14.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 05 Nov 2004 14:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: <3isnk2$frs1uj@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,123,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="532547539:sNHT16562812" X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:44:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.226 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=0.326 Subject: Re: LF: XDV DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike, I did not see you last night, after all. I have copied you OK in the past, so conditions may be an issue. Just be sure to avoid 135921.6, as I have a weak Loran line from Newfoundland there. Will watch again on Saturday night. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5676 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2004 22:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2004 22:03:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQCQy-0006zj-AL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:19:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQCQy-0006zg-6D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:19:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQCBQ-0005Gd-7N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:03:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQCAj-0000So-0l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:03:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQCAi-0000Sf-My for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:03:04 +0000 Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.118]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQCAe-0001Ib-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:03:04 +0000 Received: from pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041105220245.TEMA28966.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:02:45 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.64.12]) by pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041105220244.CPAN16957.pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:02:44 +1300 Message-ID: <000501c4c383$2d229630$0c4036d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <418A9322.8405.25B3A6@localhost> <002f01c4c2ca$ee407300$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:02:04 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.118 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) No DX signals seen overnight here. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79942 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 14:03:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 14:03:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQRPx-00086z-F5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:19:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQRPb-0007tO-NW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:19:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQR9v-000DhA-PQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:03:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQR99-0003uu-J0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQR99-0003ul-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:27 +0000 Received: from mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.223]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQR95-00044K-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 14:02:27 +0000 Received: from mxip16.cluster1.charter.net (mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.146]) by mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA6E2Gxj020537 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:02:16 -0500 Received: from cpe-68-116-172-18.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (68.116.172.18) by mxip16.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 06 Nov 2004 09:02:16 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,123,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="544722843:sNHT12364068" Message-ID: <001f01c4c409$61d4c3e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3isnk2$frs1uj@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:03:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.223 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: 137.700 Screens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I noticed that G3YXM was running screen grabs on 137.700 kHz this morning, with an Argo 3 second slow screen. I took a shot of the same spectrum here, and placed them side by side: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/700.jpg Mains-related interference aside, you can see the effect of a target-rich Loran environment. I have Loran sites at 194, 412 and 587 km, with three chains represented. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94046 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 15:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 15:16:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQSYj-000AUo-V3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:32:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQSYC-000AH4-6V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:32:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQSIV-000KTA-8R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:16:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQSI1-0004FE-OT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:15:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQSI1-0004F5-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:15:41 +0000 Received: from mail3.bulldogcommunications.com ([212.158.192.11] helo=smtp.bulldogdsl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQSHw-0004Fg-Uz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:15:41 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (host-84-9-93-153.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.93.153]) by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774B5FB72 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:15:36 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001d01c4c413$777e38c0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:15:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.158.192.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Novel Morse Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84910 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQUsS-0004hE-Lm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:01:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQUsR-0004go-EC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:01:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQUcm-000M5x-6x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:45:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQUcF-0004nD-3C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:44:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQUcE-0004n4-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:44:42 +0000 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQUcB-0004cx-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:44:42 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.153.63.170 with poptime) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 17:44:33 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:44:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcTECXRo7VMDyB4aRfWWP8Kl8712eAAHicrg In-Reply-To: <001f01c4c409$61d4c3e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.197 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_MSGID_EMPTY=1.666 Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: 137.700 Screens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John. The receiver in use for that grabber is a drifty old IC735 which is about 20Hz off cal, those 3 strong lines should be a little HF of where my graticule indicates! I'll tweak it now. If the noise is off I can see Loran lines every 6Hz or so. God knows what it'll be like when Rugby comes on! Very interested on the blanker discussion. Sounds a bit like the "woodpecker" blanker that my TS850 has, it's absolutely useless for normal noises... 73 Dave G3YXM. -----Original Message----- I noticed that G3YXM was running screen grabs on 137.700 kHz this morning, with an Argo 3 second slow screen. I took a shot of the same spectrum here, and placed them side by side: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/700.jpg Mains-related interference aside, you can see the effect of a target-rich Loran environment. I have Loran sites at 194, 412 and 587 km, with three chains represented. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91561 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 18:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 18:38:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQVha-000Ejr-Kj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:54:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQVha-000Ejo-Gj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:54:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQVRv-000AhJ-0Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:38:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQVRU-0004zS-N2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:37:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQVRU-0004zJ-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:37:40 +0000 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.45]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQVRQ-0004iw-VO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:37:40 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041106183423.GQAY28128.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:34:23 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:37:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <418D19F2.12812.8D030E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 62.253.162.45 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: XDV DX Test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Having replaced my faulty computer monitor, I am now ready to transmit overnight. Frequency: 135.9215kHz Mode: QRSS120 (short form with dashes = two dot lengths) Message: 3XDV Timing: Start on each hour from 2000 to 0700UTC Any reports welcome. I am now using ON7YD's 'QRS' keying software (thanks, Rik) so my old memory keyer will be used just for 'real' CW. Mike, G3XDV ============ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14737 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 18:49:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 18:49:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQVsa-000Gpy-A0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:05:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQVsZ-000Gpe-5b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 19:05:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQVct-000Gd3-ES for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:49:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQVcD-00055i-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:48:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQVcD-00055Z-5O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:48:45 +0000 Received: from ms.genesis-technology.com ([63.171.43.8]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQVc9-0004jw-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:48:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iA6IlTLf002142 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:47:29 -0600 Message-ID: <418D1CBF.505@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:49:35 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3isnk2$frs1uj@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> <001f01c4c409$61d4c3e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <001f01c4c409$61d4c3e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: 137.700 Screens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) What a mess. Mike John Andrews wrote: >I noticed that G3YXM was running screen grabs on 137.700 kHz this morning, >with an Argo 3 second slow screen. I took a shot of the same spectrum here, >and placed them side by side: >http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/700.jpg > >Mains-related interference aside, you can see the effect of a target-rich >Loran environment. I have Loran sites at 194, 412 and 587 km, with three >chains represented. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96530 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 20:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 20:41:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQXdJ-000CHX-Of for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:58:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQXdJ-000CHU-Ii for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:58:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQXNd-000DWi-9U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:41:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQXMu-0005UO-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:41:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQXMt-0005UF-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:41:03 +0000 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQXMp-00051n-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:41:03 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.e5.5cdb74c (16098) for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d14.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.130]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-3ee2418d36cf2bc; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:40:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:40:47 -0500 From: DL4YHF@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 217.80.53.32 X-AOL-Language: german X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.137 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: LF: Thanks QSO ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ... dear Jim M0BMU and Reino OH5UFO, if he is on the reflector. Just had to finish a three-corner QSO on 137.7 when the local QRM plus Luxembourg noise took over. Nice to see some activity, and thanks all for painting DF6NM's RDF screen in such beautiful colors (especially for the violet colur from Finland). 73, Wolf DL4YHF (currently at DF0WD). From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67022 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 21:52:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 21:52:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQYk4-000PU7-2Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:09:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQYk3-000PU4-W5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:09:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQYUN-0000o9-A6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:52:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQYTo-0005mY-43 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:52:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQYTn-0005mP-Pr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:52:15 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQYTj-0005BA-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:52:15 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20041106215155012009jhk3e>; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:52:05 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:51:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: <418D19F2.12812.8D030E@localhost> Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.56 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: XDV DX Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mike, 'Grabulator 1' is tuned to the European Watering Hole (despite what it says). Good luck! Steve http://www.w3eee.com 11/06/04 18:37:38, "Mike Dennison" wrote: >Having replaced my faulty computer monitor, I am now >ready to transmit overnight. >Frequency: 135.9215kHz >Mode: QRSS120 (short form with dashes = two dot lengths) >Message: 3XDV >Timing: Start on each hour from 2000 to 0700UTC > >Any reports welcome. > >I am now using ON7YD's 'QRS' keying software (thanks, >Rik) so my old memory keyer will be used just for 'real' CW. > >Mike, G3XDV >============ > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51147 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2004 22:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 22:03:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQYuL-0001Eo-N0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQYuL-0001El-KV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:19:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQYee-000Dyt-CV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:03:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQYeB-0005sU-K2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:02:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQYeB-0005sL-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:02:59 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQYe6-0005Cf-Bt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2004 22:02:59 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.118.106 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2004 22:02:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:01:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DF0WD / DX test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010600030805090109080500" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010600030805090109080500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Wolf, LF Group, Nice "Hell" sigs from DF0WD this evening; see attachment. Also OK2BVG (the DFCW signal in the attachment), OH5UFO, F6BWO, DL2HRE qrv. I have got the antenna up to full height, and I intend to transmit some beacon sigs later on - I will slot myself in around 135.92xx somewhere... 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Dear Juan, LF Group,
 
Quite good copy of EA3FXF at QRSS30 speed between about 2230 and 0000 tonight here in IO91VR, in spite of a rather high QRN level. As you can see from the attachment, there was also some QSB. Nice to see a new signal on the band, Juan!
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: LF: TX test

Dear LF'ers
 
I am EA3FXF. I live in the city of Lleida (JN01HO).
I have a Marconi 9 ms. high and 18 ms. hat.
My TX is 2 x IRF640 = 90W / 50 ohm.
The next saturday night i will be runing on 137700 dot30, 22:00 to 24:00 UTC.
 
Any reports welcomed
 
73
Juan, EA3FXF
___________________________________________________________________________
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To subscribe, unsubscribe or get other help, see http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44181 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 00:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 00:39:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQbLf-0001CZ-KE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:56:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQbLe-0001CB-GO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:56:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQb5w-0005ok-N6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:39:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQb5b-0006m4-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:39:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQb5b-0006lv-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:39:27 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQb5X-0005Vg-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:39:27 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.131.213.80 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 00:39:16 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:37:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: Re: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF Group, Now (0030 utc) transmitting a QRSS60 beacon signal on 135.9210kHz, 0.5 Hz below G3XDV. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28701 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 00:47:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQbAn-000C94-A2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:44:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQbAn-000C90-6Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:44:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQbDG-000Gp9-2L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:47:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQbD0-0006rl-Cy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:47:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQbD0-0006rc-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:47:06 +0000 Received: from mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.205]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQbCw-0005Wk-0m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:47:06 +0000 Received: from mxip08.cluster1.charter.net (mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.138]) by mxsf05.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA70krRD024417 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:46:53 -0500 Received: from cpe-68-116-172-18.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (68.116.172.18) by mxip08.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 06 Nov 2004 19:46:53 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,124,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="417723324:sNHT13327520" Message-ID: <002801c4c463$6fa35cc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:48:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.205 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jim, > Now (0030 utc) transmitting a QRSS60 beacon signal on 135.9210kHz, 0.5 Hz > below G3XDV. I'm copying you, but haven't seen Mike yet. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13054 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 06:50:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 06:50:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQh8X-0007XG-IF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:06:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQh8X-0007XD-FQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:06:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQgsn-0000O7-1e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:50:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQgs5-0000r6-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:49:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQgs4-0000qo-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:49:52 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQgs0-0007vW-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:49:52 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CQgrz-0003s4-00; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 07:49:47 +0100 Received: from HW1 (XjwVAvZO8ecbshO9uaITubK7raH1FW5xKStOj+cEoStMSMhuDwwEkM@[217.83.142.201]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1CQgrn-1Uvhkv0; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:49:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 07:45:23 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1955575231.20041107074523@t-online.de> To: Joan Morros In-Reply-To: <001e01c4c349$223341f0$05001aac@joan> References: <001e01c4c349$223341f0$05001aac@joan> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: XjwVAvZO8ecbshO9uaITubK7raH1FW5xKStOj+cEoStMSMhuDwwEkM X-TOI-MSGID: 5fdc465f-7ebb-4e84-90de-d43e2ec957d6 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 3.3 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: TX test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050009060106020708020603" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050009060106020708020603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Juan, only some weak traces here in JO52HO with an antenna beaming in the wrong direction (310°), see attachement. 73 Hartmut Wolff > Dear LF'ers > I am EA3FXF. 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(helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQkRT-0001VS-AG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:38:39 +0000 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQkRP-0008GI-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:38:39 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.143.28 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 10:38:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c4c4b5$c5eec220$1c8f7ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002701c4c44c$f5e683a0$2101a8c0@UserADSL> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 10:37:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.202 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: Re: Unidentified call Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Jose, LF Group, I think it was Jeff, F6BWO. Certainly, he did call you on at least one occasion that I saw. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: José Manuel To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: LF: Unidentified call > Hello all: > > I´d like to know who answered my call on 137697 some minutes ago, I couldn´t > identify the call, QRN now, sri. > > 73 de José, EA1PX > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5266 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 12:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 12:12:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQlrq-000LmL-MJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:09:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQlrq-000LmI-JS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:09:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQluE-000DTk-Q7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:12:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQlta-0001mB-8d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:11:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQltZ-0001m2-TV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:11:45 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQltW-0008Ss-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:11:45 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.135.126.112 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 12:11:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c4c4c2$c7a20480$707e8751@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:10:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.139 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DX test - G3WFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF Group, I transmitted a QRSS60 beacon signal last night between about 0030 and 0700utc on 135.9210kHz. I could also see G3XDV transmitting on 135.9215kHz, and I think a third signal on about 135.9220kHz, which I couldn't identify whilst I was transmitting. I just had a QSO with John, G3WFM - it was the first time I have worked him, allthough I think he was quite active on LF a few years ago. He is running 100W into a HF dipole strapped as a "T". His QTH is Potters Bar, a few miles south of me, so he was a good 599+ here of course. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54028 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 13:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 13:40:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQnEn-0009Cf-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:37:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQnEn-0009Cc-BG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:37:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQnHA-0003SI-OK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:40:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQnGZ-00021r-Eh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:39:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQnGZ-00021i-2L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:39:35 +0000 Received: from mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.230]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQnGV-0000DW-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:39:35 +0000 Received: from mxip09.cluster1.charter.net (mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.139]) by mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA7DdE6R027817 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 08:39:23 -0500 Received: from cpe-68-116-172-18.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (68.116.172.18) by mxip09.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 07 Nov 2004 08:39:14 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,124,1096862400"; d="scan'217,208?jpg'217,208,145"; a="401323251:sNHT24279566" Message-ID: <002601c4c4cf$54e9cf60$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 13:40:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.230 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10=1.138,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DX test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060506070902000908020403" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060506070902000908020403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Jim,
 
Nice copy of your signal overnight from 0330 to 0630 UTC, with earlier traces visible. This shot was taken at 0545:
 
A signal at 135922.06 was visible through most of that period, but it may have been keyed faster than QRSS60. I can't make any sense of it. No sign of Mike, unless he was tangled up with the Loran line on 135921.6.
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
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autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jim Had best reception when you first started transmitting - no captures to show for it, though, due to operator error... These captures were taken later but static had picked up as evidenced by the poor reception of loran lines. http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/M0BMU1.jpg http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/M0BMU2.jpg No other signals visible. Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:10 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: DX test - G3WFM > Dear LF Group, > > I transmitted a QRSS60 beacon signal last night between about 0030 and > 0700utc on 135.9210kHz. I could also see G3XDV transmitting on 135.9215kHz, > and I think a third signal on about 135.9220kHz, which I couldn't identify > whilst I was transmitting. > > I just had a QSO with John, G3WFM - it was the first time I have worked him, > allthough I think he was quite active on LF a few years ago. He is running > 100W into a HF dipole strapped as a "T". His QTH is Potters Bar, a few miles > south of me, so he was a good 599+ here of course. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35622 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 16:34:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 16:34:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQpxP-000BR3-GS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:32:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQpxP-000BQu-6V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:31:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQpzl-000E7j-KA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:34:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQpyq-0002ZF-QG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:33:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQpyq-0002Z6-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:33:28 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQpyn-0000bb-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:33:28 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004110716331101400sb95fe>; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:33:16 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:32:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> Message-Id: <4ZRMSMGE4XJDVT2JI86VRMQ21LKWT.418e4e39@Charlie_Drake> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hifidelity.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jim, Best at 0100z, snatches at times throughout night until 0730z-ish. Sensitivity limited by QRN, with even the local Loran lines disappearing for most of the time. Mike was below threshold, regrettably. Cheers, Steve 11/07/04 00:37:36, "James Moritz" wrote: >Dear LF Group, > >Now (0030 utc) transmitting a QRSS60 beacon signal on 135.9210kHz, 0.5 Hz >below G3XDV. > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43425 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 16:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 16:39:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQq26-000C2n-Gl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:36:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQq26-000C2k-Bt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:36:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQq4S-000KAO-Oj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:39:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQq4H-0002cp-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:39:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQq4H-0002cg-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:39:05 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQq4D-0000ca-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:39:05 +0000 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CQq4D-00065m-01; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:39:01 +0100 Received: from (TvTNw2ZAreo+Ohfr5RhAAOGQV0jf8ld8RAKQ32KfgJSyrQpCvs3CsQ@[217.251.195.116]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CQq3y-1ErAW00; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:38:46 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <002601c4c4cf$54e9cf60$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:38:46 +0100 Message-ID: <1CQq3y-1ErAW00@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: TvTNw2ZAreo+Ohfr5RhAAOGQV0jf8ld8RAKQ32KfgJSyrQpCvs3CsQ X-TOI-MSGID: 7fef1102-5fba-42b1-8c71-f20919d41dcd X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.83 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John Andrews schrieb: > Jim, > > Nice copy of your signal overnight from 0330 to 0630 UTC, with earlier traces > visible. This shot was taken at 0545: > > > A signal at 135922.06 was visible through most of that period, but it may > have been keyed faster than QRSS60. I can't make any sense of it. No sign of > Mike, unless he was tangled up with the Loran line on 135921.6. > > John Andrews, W1TAG Hi John and all, my signal was on 135922.06kHz with QRSS30. Ill transmitt with QRSS60 on 135922.09kHz from 1700 - 2130UTC and 2300 - 0700UTC. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13385 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQqeJ-000Ics-08 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:16:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQqeI-000Icp-Ps for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:16:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CQqge-0006cW-TG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:18:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQqgI-0002nB-FB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:18:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQqgI-0002n2-4H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:18:22 +0000 Received: from pop3.infonegocio.com ([213.4.129.150] helo=telesmtp3.mail.isp) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQqgE-0000in-LO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:18:22 +0000 Received: from UserADSL ([81.35.75.130]) by telesmtp3.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I6TK2G00.47I for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:18:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c4c4ed$cfbed5a0$2101a8c0@UserADSL> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002701c4c44c$f5e683a0$2101a8c0@UserADSL> <000901c4c4b5$c5eec220$1c8f7ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:18:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.4.129.150 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telefonica.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Re: Unidentified call Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Jim and all: Thanks for the info. 73 de José, EA1PX ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: LF: Re: Unidentified call > Dear Jose, LF Group, > > I think it was Jeff, F6BWO. Certainly, he did call you on at least one > occasion that I saw. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: José Manuel > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:07 PM > Subject: LF: Unidentified call > > > > Hello all: > > > > I´d like to know who answered my call on 137697 some minutes ago, I > couldn´t > > identify the call, QRN now, sri. > > > > 73 de José, EA1PX > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55900 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 17:41:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQqzy-000MRt-4B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:38:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQqzy-000MRq-1G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:38:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQr2J-0006P8-Cq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:41:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQr1r-0002rR-VO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:40:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQr1r-0002rI-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:40:39 +0000 Received: from mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.228]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQr1n-0000mT-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:40:39 +0000 Received: from mxip18.cluster1.charter.net (mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.148]) by mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA7HeLPk011116 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:40:21 -0500 Received: from cpe-68-116-172-18.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (68.116.172.18) by mxip18.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 07 Nov 2004 12:40:20 -0500 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,125,1096862400"; d="scan'217,208?jpg'217,208,145"; a="521254567:sNHT25553012" Message-ID: <005501c4c4f1$03be92c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <002601c4c4cf$54e9cf60$0500a8c0@charter.net> <1CQq3y-1ErAW00@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 17:41:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.228 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10=1.138,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: DX test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020903030104050603000805" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_10, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020903030104050603000805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Uwe,
 
> my signal was on 135922.06kHz with QRSS30.
> Ill transmitt with QRSS60 on 135922.09kHz from 1700 - 2130UTC
> and 2300 - 0700UTC.
Ah, the QRSS30 explains it! Here's what I had at the same time Jim's signal was at its best:
 
Too fast! I will watch again tonight.
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81380 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2004 19:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Nov 2004 19:40:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQtA5-000Mvq-6I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:57:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CQtA4-000Mvh-Vy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:57:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CQsuG-000Cz3-AO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:40:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CQstX-0003GC-C1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:40:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CQstX-0003G3-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:40:11 +0000 Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.44]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CQstT-00011V-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:40:11 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20041107193809.HKSY14432.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:38:09 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 19:40:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <418E7A1A.7344.AE141@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 62.253.162.44 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DX Test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Thanks to all of those who monitored for my signals last night. Seems my 100mW ERP wasn't enough for the poor conditions. I will do another test next weekend. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25002 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 09:44:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR6KU-0007Mu-Id for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:00:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR6KT-0007Mi-R0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:00:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CR64a-0002wm-0P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:44:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CR633-00058X-L0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:42:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CR633-00058O-9n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:42:53 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CR62z-00033B-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:42:53 +0000 Received: from fwd10.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CR62x-0003WR-04; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:42:47 +0100 Received: from (Vygin+Za8erx6HxYr1VjM26SCKOYzppaNjcDbHGNBzM2omESHO14E0@[217.251.198.186]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CR62k-0Z7rLU0; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:42:34 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <002601c4c4cf$54e9cf60$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:42:34 +0100 Message-ID: <1CR62k-0Z7rLU0@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: Vygin+Za8erx6HxYr1VjM26SCKOYzppaNjcDbHGNBzM2omESHO14E0 X-TOI-MSGID: 121f3a53-94b3-4a56-8b6a-687fec9c1f1d X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: LF: accumulator - off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, I have several 24V sealed lead accus needed for lawn mowers. my question: what have I to do with those accus during winter, keep them charged or discharged? best regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20273 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 10:16:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 10:16:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR6Xd-000I1E-OM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:14:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR6Xd-000I1B-IH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:14:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CR6Zs-00030c-L7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:16:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CR6ZS-0005Gn-Ih for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:16:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CR6ZS-0005Ge-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:16:22 +0000 Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net ([212.159.14.212]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CR6ZN-0003Bd-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:16:22 +0000 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1CR6ZH-000ObN-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:16:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c4c57b$d382caf0$1f03210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7E76D97F.20549234.00041B63@aol.com> <001201c4c44c$322bb3e0$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <004901c4c462$10fbe800$6a767ad5@jgtdiynm> <002601c4c4cf$54e9cf60$0500a8c0@charter.net> <1CR62k-0Z7rLU0@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:14:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.159.14.212 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of thersgb.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: accumulator - off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Ewe Charged, Always store lead-acid batteries fully charged. Maybe even give them a top-up charge every few months. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: LF: accumulator - off topic > Hi all, > > I have several 24V sealed lead accus needed for lawn mowers. > > my question: > what have I to do with those accus during winter, keep them charged or > discharged? > > best regards > Uwe/dj8wx > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21951 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 10:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 10:17:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR6qH-000EGi-LQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:33:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR6qH-000EGf-Ij for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:33:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CR6aN-0005Zh-Fo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:17:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CR6aI-0005Hu-7L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:17:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CR6aH-0005Hl-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:17:13 +0000 Received: from 39038.rad.tsai.es ([195.235.39.38] helo=infomail.es) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CR6a7-0003Bm-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:17:13 +0000 Received: from joan ([172.16.101.249]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #1099909010.138640001; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:16:50 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c4c57c$172e66b0$05001aac@joan> From: "Joan Morros" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 11:17:02 +0100 Organization: lleida.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Infomail-Id: 1099909010.3628010A811071.49010 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.235.39.38 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lleida.org X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: tx test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Jim and Hartmut
 
Thanks for the reports
73
 
Juan, EA3FXF 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15290 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 11:53:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 11:53:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR82l-000ERg-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:50:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR82k-000ERM-Td for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:50:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CR84z-000L5X-6J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:53:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CR84Q-0005Z9-36 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:52:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CR84P-0005Z0-Of for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:52:25 +0000 Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.158] helo=mwinf3014.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CR84L-0003Wb-Qp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:52:25 +0000 Received: by mwinf3014.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id 93BCB1800081; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:52:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3004 (wwinf3004 [172.22.159.31]) by mwinf3014.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B8FF1800081 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:52:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <26520400.1099914735427.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.29.186] Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:52:15 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 3.9 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET=0.716,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_11_50=0.559,RAZOR2_CHECK=0.899,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0a=1.666 Subject: LF: DX Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

No transmission from here last evening due to arrival of CME. Big disturbance to Geo.Mag. field.

Will advise when re- commence x'mission. Could be a week before effects have died down, good news is usually enhancement after a week of two.

73 Laurie



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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27696 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 13:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 13:02:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR97s-0003rr-6N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:00:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CR97s-0003ro-3z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:00:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CR9A6-000NRt-3l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:02:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CR99S-0005md-3n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:01:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CR99R-0005mU-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:01:41 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CR99O-0003oQ-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:01:41 +0000 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CR99g-0005MC-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:01:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 07:30:45 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Tom Boucher References: <001d01c4c413$777e38c0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> In-Reply-To: <001d01c4c413$777e38c0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.217.242.89 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telemetry.demon.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.68 Subject: Re: LF: Novel Morse Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Walter - now I won't forget the morse character for an apostrophe! In message <001d01c4c413$777e38c0$2101a8c0@AUG2004>, Walter Blanchard writes > Any Morse fanatic should take a look at : >   > http://webhome.idirect.com/~jproc/test/cwm.jpg >   > Walter G3JKV. >   >   From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28766 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2004 21:04:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 2004 21:04:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRGwl-000H0X-N4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:21:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRGwk-000Gzp-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:21:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CRGgm-000NtZ-1O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:04:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRGfN-00078d-DV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:03:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRGfN-00078U-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:03:09 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRGfJ-0005WS-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 21:03:09 +0000 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CRGfI-0004rA-00; Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:03:04 +0100 Received: from (bLnY36ZcZeMdTlcUOtyUs6ykMEXrX-cNDFzGo3RP2I-KGQ4hE74xUP@[217.251.198.28]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CRGf4-0qPSwC0; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:02:50 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9f.517a5894.2ec0f2f6@aol.com> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:02:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1CRGf4-0qPSwC0@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: bLnY36ZcZeMdTlcUOtyUs6ykMEXrX-cNDFzGo3RP2I-KGQ4hE74xUP X-TOI-MSGID: 12a21f72-1c38-4b84-95b3-1e71801c9693 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: accumulator - off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) G4gvw@aol.com schrieb: > Hi Uwe, > There is also an argument which suggests that a very small current > maintenance charge is beneficial with some lead acids. Best bet to to contact > the > manufacturer (if known) for definitive advice. > > 73 de Pat g4gvw > thanks Pat vy 73 Uwe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31791 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 09:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 09:00:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRS7j-00009b-8O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:17:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRS7h-00009I-SW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:17:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRRrf-0004AC-HU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:00:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRRqt-0000A9-2M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:59:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRRqs-0000A0-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.158]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRRqg-0007nT-9D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041109085925.QXIG3717.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:59:25 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.55.81.22]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041109085924.GDAL56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:59:24 +1300 Message-ID: <002101c4c63a$68dcf350$165137d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <26520400.1099914735427.JavaMail.www@wwinf3004> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 21:56:50 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: DX Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Laurie please let me know if you are going to re-commence any transmissions at suitable times for us down here. I will start running captures on XDW again in the meantime. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57774 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 10:31:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 10:31:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRTFW-000Fa2-8P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:29:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRTFW-000FZz-5s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:29:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRTHb-000EQO-77 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:31:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRTGU-0000Or-8b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:30:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRTGT-0000Oi-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:30:17 +0000 Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.119]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRTGH-00086Q-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:30:17 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041109102956.VODK1070.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:29:56 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.197.129]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041109102953.CXIU13668.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:29:53 +1300 Message-ID: <000601c4c647$0d1b3100$81c536d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c4a8af$2c37bcd0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <002d01c4a8c6$40086720$6564a8c0@P2400> <001a01c4a8df$953be3c0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <005501c4a93a$584daf60$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:29:08 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.119 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Alan, I have just given Bob ZL2CA a short article I have written for the next Break-In journal about LF propagation. In it I have referred readers to your web page. Is it possible that your web page could be used for access to a small excel file which goes with my article? Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9571 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 10:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 10:50:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRTqR-000NwV-UN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:07:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRTqR-000NwO-C6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:07:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CRTaO-0001mm-C1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRTa2-0000TY-5M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:50:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRTa1-0000TP-OI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:50:29 +0000 Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.158]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRTZq-0008BS-96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:50:29 +0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041109105011.SZQW3717.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:50:11 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.86.34.248]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041109105010.HMD22901.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:50:10 +1300 Message-ID: <000601c4c649$e280f170$781558db@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c4a8af$2c37bcd0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <002d01c4a8c6$40086720$6564a8c0@P2400> <001a01c4a8df$953be3c0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <005501c4a93a$584daf60$6507a8c0@Main> <000601c4c647$0d1b3100$81c536d2@mcalevey> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:45:30 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) sorry, the last email was meant for Alan Melia. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21710 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2004 17:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 17:28:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRZlX-000BEz-SY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:26:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRZlX-000BEv-NF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:26:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRZnZ-000HnH-VN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:28:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRZmU-0003Cw-Bb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:27:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRZmT-0003Cn-Vi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:27:45 +0000 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRZmN-0002K3-EV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:27:45 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Aquarids) (ganymede444@217.42.194.106 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2004 17:27:32 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:26:40 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c4c19d$e2b119a0$6507a8c0@Main> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: PSK31 test transmission 1700z 9 Nov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, I copied this BPSK31 transmission from G0NVZ at around 1700z today on 137.5 kHz. Signals were strong (20dB above noise) and readable with almost no errors in Iver, Bucks, IO91RM. "" This is a test transmissio by G0NVZ for circuit adjustment curposes. No reply is expected. G0NVZ is located in St. Albans, IO91UR, and the name is John. This is a test transmission by G0NVZ for circuit adjustment purposes. No reply is expected. G0NVZ is located in St. Albans, IO91UR, and the name is John. "" Hope this report is useful! Cheers, Dave, G3WCB. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 03 November 2004 12:09 To: LF-Group Subject: LF: PSK31 at 1200z 3rd Hi, there was a good strength PSK31 (?) signal on 137530 at 1200z today. I could not decode it as I no longer have a program on this machine (and I missed the morse ID!) Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02pb near Ipswich. alan.melia(at)btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94482 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 10:58:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 10:58:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRqRT-000LvJ-A7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:15:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRqRS-000LvE-W2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:15:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRqBH-0009ae-3O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:58:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRqA1-0006J9-7F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:57:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRqA0-0006J0-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:57:08 +0000 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRq9v-0006A7-CT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:57:08 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.e3.61cfe3a (4446) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:56:52 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.3 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: LF: LF Off subject. 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Hi all,
 
This is prompted by the question from Uwe regarding his lead acid batteries.
 
This site (with which I have no connection) is obviously run as part of a PR initiative by a commercial company but seems to have much unbiased knowledge and good sense on a range of battery topics.
 
I personally found it quite interesting and it places a wide range of battery topics in a single place of reference.
 
73 de Pat g4gvw 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57580 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 12:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 12:44:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRs6E-000ISj-Dq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:01:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRs6E-000ISg-Ay for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:01:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CRrq1-000OlR-Rh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:44:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRrpG-0006Zu-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:43:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRrpG-0006Zl-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:43:50 +0000 Received: from [194.203.13.70] (helo=viruswall.mmsuk.co.uk) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRrp1-0006fq-UE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:43:50 +0000 Received: by mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:43:23 -0000 Message-ID: From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:43:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.203.13.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of astrium.eads.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Loading coil - suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I've just spent some time constructing a new 136 kHz aerial loading coil and the results are most disappointing. . It is of basket weave construction on a 7 pointed dowelled wooden former with a mean diameter of about 20 inches. The wire is the same gauge as my old 'brewing bin' coil yet the Q is lower and the aerial current correspondingly down. The plastic R/S 4mm (tapping) terminals are well insulated on perspex strips and I was expecting great things of it. Can anyone suggest where I've gone wrong ? My earlier E-mail to the group vanished - perhaps I should not have included a .bmp attachment ! 73 Chris G3XIZ This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50360 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 13:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 13:01:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRs4f-000HF8-Jf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:59:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRs4f-000HF5-DA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:59:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CRs6Z-000BwY-H4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:01:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRs66-0006ge-Rx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:01:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRs66-0006gV-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:01:14 +0000 Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.158] helo=mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRs5z-0006jf-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:01:14 +0000 Received: by mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server, from userid 1003) id 880481800083; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:00:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3002 (wwinf3002 [172.22.159.29]) by mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6E8F21800082 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:00:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <2419000.1100091659425.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [81.153.24.53] Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:00:59 +0100 (CET) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 193.252.22.158 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 3.9 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET=0.716,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_11_50=0.559,RAZOR2_CHECK=0.899,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0a=1.666 Subject: Re: LF: Loading coil - suggestions Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit




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Message date : Nov 10 2004, 12:44 PM
From : "OSBORN, Chris"
To : "LF Group (E-mail)"
Copy to :
Subject : LF: Loading coil - suggestions



I've just spent some time constructing a new 136 kHz aerial loading
coil and the results are most disappointing.
.
It is of basket weave construction on a 7 pointed dowelled wooden
former with a mean diameter of about 20 inches.
The wire is the same gauge as my old 'brewing bin' coil yet the Q is
lower and the aerial current correspondingly down.

The plastic R/S 4mm (tapping) terminals are well insulated on
perspex strips and I was expecting great things of it.

Can anyone suggest where I've gone wrong ?

My earlier E-mail to the group vanished - perhaps I should not have
included a .bmp attachment !

73

Chris G3XIZ

Hi Chris, I think your problem is the wooden dowels ! I made a loading coil with dowels and like you was very dissapointed with the results.Can you get hold of some tufnel or SRBP rods ,or use some form of plastic.

73 Laurie G3aqc.
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Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation.

EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259
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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42786 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 15:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 15:25:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRubi-000Otr-BY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:42:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRubi-000Oto-8W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:42:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRuLU-0007KI-Jr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:25:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRuKb-00072I-4F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:24:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRuKa-000729-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:24:20 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRuKQ-0007L3-MC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:24:20 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.d6.19339725 (3699) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:23:57 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:23:57 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.2 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Loading coil - suggestions Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just a thought - a possible source of suitable "plastic" rod is a store which sells knitting needles or (if you are really brave and like to live dangerously) the wife's knitting basket!
 
 
Incidentally I have found these to be very useful as !/4 inch insulated drive shaft extensions for years in homebrew tx's and atu's
 
73 de Pat g4gvw 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47480 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 18:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 18:22:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRx4k-000AEy-Da for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:20:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRx4k-000AEu-5t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:20:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRx6c-000KqR-2V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:22:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRx5u-0007Vh-GE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:21:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRx5u-0007VY-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:21:22 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRx5q-00088Q-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:21:22 +0000 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CRx5n-0004a1-01; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:21:15 +0100 Received: from (VrzSSmZO8elpVIz-Cq53jpSpMUZuiR0DRaK3KuMtZstKBTftfs6F8G@[217.251.191.246]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CRx5e-0umbA00; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:21:06 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:21:06 +0100 Message-ID: <1CRx5e-0umbA00@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: VrzSSmZO8elpVIz-Cq53jpSpMUZuiR0DRaK3KuMtZstKBTftfs6F8G X-TOI-MSGID: f72bf3b2-42cd-4680-a03d-b24c0dc128f5 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: LF Off subject. Prompted by Uwe - Check out Welcome to Battery University Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) G4gvw@aol.com schrieb: > _Welcome to Battery University_ (http://www.batteryuniversity.com/index.htm) > > > Hi all, > > This is prompted by the question from Uwe regarding his lead acid batteries. > > This site (with which I have no connection) is obviously run as part of a PR > initiative by a commercial company but seems to have much unbiased knowledge > and good sense on a range of battery topics. > > I personally found it quite interesting and it places a wide range of > battery topics in a single place of reference. > > 73 de Pat g4gvw > Hi Pat, the "Battery University" has it: Always store lead acid in a charged condition. Never let the open cell voltage drop much below 2.10V. Apply a topping charge every six months or when recommended. thanks for the tip. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54669 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 19:53:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 19:53:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRyV8-0002OU-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:51:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRyV7-0002OQ-Tg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:51:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CRyWz-0007gF-86 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:53:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRyWK-0007mI-Ie for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:52:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRyWK-0007m9-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:52:44 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRyVx-0008UU-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:52:41 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.171.187 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 19:52:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c4c75e$a00d5ca0$bbab7ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:51:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Loading coil - suggestions Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Chris, LF group,
 
When I first started running QRO on LF, I had problems with loading coils overheating. So I made a big loading coil using ex-Decca litz wire and a 500mm diameter plastic "sectional manhole" as a former. This has a Q of about 700 and significantly improved antenna current over the original, with a Q of about 200. Since it is outdoors, I built a shelter for it out of 2" x 2" timber covered in plastic sheet. I was alarmed to discover the Q had gone down to 200 again when I put the coil in the shelter. Some investigation showed that this was because of the timber frame - the wood was pressure-treated with preservative, and was quite damp inside. Replacing it with some kiln-dried timber restored the Q, but it seems to be slowly deteriorating again after a few years outdoors. The frame is quite well spaced away from the coil, perhaps 150mm or more at the nearest point, so obviously wood is not the best of dielectrics...
 
Having said that, GBR worked for decades with a loading coil wound on a wooden former - this with around 200kV and half a megawatt going through it - so some wood must be OK!
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64905 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 20:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 20:38:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRzUs-0007nh-1C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:55:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRzUr-0007ne-UV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:55:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CRzEc-000BtX-Ir for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRzEC-0007w1-RL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:38:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRzEC-0007vs-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:38:04 +0000 Received: from mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.214]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRzE8-0000CM-4X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:38:04 +0000 Received: from mxip20.cluster1.charter.net (mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.150]) by mxsf14.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAAKbqZY003751 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:37:52 -0500 Received: from fep04.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.84) by mxip20.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 15:37:45 -0500 Message-Id: <3k01i5$dtdj0t@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,134,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="467061789:sNHT26499232" X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:37:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.214 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=0.326 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Loading coil - suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Chris, et al, After reading Jim's post, some memories came back. The old-timer I first worked for in broadcasting made a few coils while I was there. He kept a supply of very old, very dry maple wood to use in the forms. I seem to recall that he would cut up all of the pieces, and boil them in beeswax for a period of time before assembling and winding the coil. I also remember that he varnished some of the coils, but don't recall asking about how the varnish and wax got along with each other. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6761 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 21:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 21:04:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRzuB-000CUP-KB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:21:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CRzuB-000CU7-7W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:21:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CRzdv-000Ard-Jq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:04:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CRzdK-00083G-WE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:04:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CRzdK-000837-K7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:04:02 +0000 Received: from mail3.bulldogdsl.com ([212.158.192.11] helo=smtp.bulldogdsl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CRzdF-0000Hi-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:04:02 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (host-84-9-76-252.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.76.252]) by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBB31091D for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:03:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000a01c4c768$c69f9590$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c4c75e$a00d5ca0$bbab7ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:03:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.158.192.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Wood formers Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The coilhouse for the Decca coils used wooden platforms and the spec was mahogany, kiln-dried for (I think) a month, then coated with water-repellent gunge. One day a new set were put in and when the power was switched on two transverse legs literally exploded. Turned out the contractor had cut a few corners and not dried them properly. Thereafter, thermometers (alcohol) were inserted into the legs before switching-on and if the temperature rose above 60 degs C after switch-on power was reduced until temp stayed stable, then gradually increased as the wood dried out properly. Once dry, it stayed dry because the RF chased out any moisture.   
The coil formers were always Delmoldin compound (too heavy and expensive to use for everything!)
 
Walter G3JKV.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36483 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2004 22:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:48:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CS1El-0009wV-Nz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:46:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CS1El-0009wS-La for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:46:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CS1Gb-000F18-SI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:48:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CS1G4-0008Im-Ss for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:48:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CS1G4-0008Id-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:48:08 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CS1Fk-0000a3-MO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:48:07 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.133.252 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 22:47:42 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c4c777$53083920$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c4c75e$a00d5ca0$bbab7ad5@jgtdiynm> <000a01c4c768$c69f9590$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:45:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Wood formers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Blanchard" . >The coil formers were always Delmoldin compound (too heavy and expensive to use for everything!) >Walter G3JKV. Hi Walter was that the "brown stuff" ?? It looks a bit like Tufnol which I think is SRBF...is it "better" than that ? Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69335 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CS2MP-000MOT-NW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:58:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CS2MP-000MOK-I7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:58:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CS2OE-0001Ix-UJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:00:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CS2Mt-0008VJ-KU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:59:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CS2Mt-0008VA-8L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:59:15 +0000 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CS2Mm-0000oT-LS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:59:15 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.be.1b8f73f4 (4004) for ; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:58:57 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:58:57 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.136 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Wood formers Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I wonder if perhaps it should be a "golden rule" when using rod type formers that whatever insulating material is involved the structure should be a tube rather than a rod. For most practical purposes tubes will be almost as rigid as rods but will be lighter in weight and by definition less dense than solid rods. Even better with "basket-weave" coils might be schemes which allowed a suitable adhesive to hold the turns in place and the former rods to be withdrawn. As a further contribution, how about the use of glass which may be obtained from specialist suppliers. It's possible that someone whose hobby is glassblowing and glass sculpting might be persuaded to produce bespoke formers also.
 
73 de Pat g4gvw  
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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit twisters and tstorms in vicinity Laurence wd2xdw off 0157Z Thursday From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4070 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 13:29:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 13:29:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSEyy-000DGm-DX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:27:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSEyy-000DGj-7N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:27:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CSF0i-0008tz-8z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:29:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSExL-0001w3-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:25:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSExK-0001vu-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:25:42 +0000 Received: from [194.203.13.70] (helo=viruswall.mmsuk.co.uk) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSEx6-0003iH-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:25:42 +0000 Received: by mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:25:17 -0000 Message-ID: From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (E-mail)" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:25:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.203.13.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of astrium.eads.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Loading coil - suggestions - many thanks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit LF group Many thanks for the useful advice and information. I have printed off all comments and will have a serious re-think about my loading coil design. The wooden dowels I used were 3/8 th inch softwood and the whole frame was varnished several times. I think, from what's been said that the Q factor I am getting on both my coils is rather low being in the order of 70 - 85 !! When suspended under the vertical down lead the loading coil is necessarily close to my wooden fence - probably only 18 inches away. It sounds as though this is not ideal ! I run an output power of about 90 watts with a measured aerial current of 1.2 A on a good (dry) day. Am I correct in assuming that I can't attach .bmp photos to the group E-mails ? 73 Chris G3XIZ This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. 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EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98798 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 14:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 14:02:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSFnP-0005qI-Hl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:19:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSFnP-0005q7-1C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:19:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CSFX3-000BDc-2b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:02:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSFVw-00022G-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSFVv-000227-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:27 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSFVk-0003s0-He for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:01:27 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CSFV7-0003M7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:00:37 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CSFV6-0000Gj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:00:36 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:00:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: RE: Loading coil - suggestions - many thanks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Am I correct in assuming that I can't attach .bmp photos to the group E-mails ? 73 Chris G3XIZ Dear Chris, You can add attachments, but only up to about 20 - 30kB - any bigger and the reflector rejects them. The format makes a difference to the file size - .bmp images are usually bigger than .gif or .jpg format, depending on what the image is and how compressed it is. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15515 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 17:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 17:42:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSIw6-000MFg-O9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:40:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSIw5-000MFO-7W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:40:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CSIxn-0003Yo-Ii for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:42:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSIx9-0002XN-3z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:41:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSIx8-0002XE-Ow for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:41:46 +0000 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSIx1-0004oo-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:41:46 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Aquarids) (ganymede444@81.132.10.114 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 17:41:33 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:40:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1CSITB-2IW0XY0@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.202 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Resonance Calculator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, LFers... Below is a link to an interesting page on the Dressler site. The page has three useful resonance calculators, which allow you to work out various combinations of L, C, and F, etc. You can save the page locally on your PC, and it will still work! While you're browsing the site, take a look at the big LF power amplifiers they make! http://www.dressler.com/more_about_rf/rf_formuler_resonant.html Cheers, Dave G3WCB. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70469 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 17:47:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 17:47:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSJJE-00031b-OR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:04:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSJJE-00031V-I2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:04:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CSJ2r-0007Qf-El for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:47:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSJ2X-0002bd-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:47:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSJ2X-0002bU-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:47:21 +0000 Received: from mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.211]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSJ2T-0004qD-57 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:47:20 +0000 Received: from mxip12.cluster1.charter.net (mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.142]) by mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iABHl9JY014149 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:47:09 -0500 Received: from fep02.charter.net (HELO 209.225.8.224) (209.225.8.82) by mxip12.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 12:47:09 -0500 Message-Id: <3k2f2s$gbahim@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,138,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="548750934:sNHT25668004" X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:46:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.211 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=0.326,TW_CV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Uwe, > Hi John, W1TAG, is your rcvng system still QRV? Yes, but LF long haul conditions are poor right now. I doubt that there would be any chance of success. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8505 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 20:22:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 20:22:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSLQe-0004gI-Ec for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:20:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSLQe-0004gE-7O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:20:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CSLSL-00073g-GA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:22:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSLRe-0002vd-Eu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:21:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSLRe-0002vU-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:21:26 +0000 Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.187]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSLRY-0005ML-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:21:25 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20041111202111.LLWV23009.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:21:11 +1300 Received: from quaycustomer ([210.86.80.191]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20041111202110.KZHB56.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:21:10 +1300 Message-ID: <000f01c4c82c$bff90220$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c4c75e$a00d5ca0$bbab7ad5@jgtdiynm> <000a01c4c768$c69f9590$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <002f01c4c777$53083920$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:26:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.187 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Wood formers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, Some interesting comments on wood and plunging Q of LF coils. It also made me think about "live wood" and that definitely does have sap. It strongly suggests that a transmitting antenna should be well clear of trees. For a vertical, the up-wire is where the current is maximum, and that situation is similar to a one turn inductor as far as magnetic induction is concerned. If the wood is also a lossy dielectric, then the top loading wires and electric fields could also be contributing to losses with trees in the antenna environment. In terms of efforts made to maximise radiated power on LF, it would be unbalanced to focus only on loading coil loss, even if that is more directly under the control of those making the coil. It would be interesting to find out for top loading that is tied off to a tree (with suitable insulation, and in a situation where there are no other practical choices for suspending the top loading) if there is an optimum spacing of the insulator from the tree. It may be better to accept moderately lower capacitance for top loading if the net losses are lower. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44466 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 21:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 21:38:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSMuN-000NYG-ME for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:55:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSMuN-000NYC-IY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:55:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CSMdy-000Pwc-W3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:38:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSMdE-0003CP-RG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:37:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSMdE-0003CG-DN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:37:28 +0000 Received: from bay12-f42.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.42] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSMd7-0005gs-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:37:28 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:36:02 -0800 Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:35:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:35:13 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2004 21:36:02.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[71540F20:01C4C836] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.35.42 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: RE: LF: Re: Re: Wood formers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit ....well Cottonwood/Pine trees were certainly an affect that reduced my effectiveness in producing a strong into USA/world signal from Alaska - ok the distance was more to the nearest receivers but I was using a pretty large vertical and good top loading, and extensive earth radial system probably close to "commercial" standards - I just was in a small cut out the middle of a deep dark dense damp dank forest - and used trees to suspend additional top loading wires but didnt get the insulators closer than 20ft from the support braches. As you say it was always difficult to ascertain the loss/gains on additional top loading versus loss C due to proximity. Working on what we have here in OK with this 380ft circum lazy tx loop, the same tx power as was etc and from extensive local field meaurements, Im up about 12dB (or more) compared with my poorer 110 ft vertical and extensive top loading! - Its got to be these high Z verticals, trees and the associated lossy C, compared with the Low Z loop, that doesnt seem to mind rubbing up and down tree trunks, slung without insultors over branches, and which birds sit and "cheep" on with close to 35A of aerial current running thru it (and no connections to earth per se!) However if I lived on a farm, with say 20 acres and a 110 ft tower and a few trees Id probably go for a vertical....then perhaps not! ps I used dry cedar to support the vaccum cap which has a few Kv across it and now cooking/burning smells as of yet... Cheers Laurence KL1X/5 ps conditions are %&^$#!!, but daytime enhancement over a 1500Kms are up quite a few dBs at the momemt. >From: "Vernall" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Re: Re: Wood formers >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:26:37 +1300 > >Hi all, > >Some interesting comments on wood and plunging Q of LF coils. It also made >me think about "live wood" and that definitely does have sap. It strongly >suggests that a transmitting antenna should be well clear of trees. For a >vertical, the up-wire is where the current is maximum, and that situation >is >similar to a one turn inductor as far as magnetic induction is concerned. >If the wood is also a lossy dielectric, then the top loading wires and >electric fields could also be contributing to losses with trees in the >antenna environment. > >In terms of efforts made to maximise radiated power on LF, it would be >unbalanced to focus only on loading coil loss, even if that is more >directly >under the control of those making the coil. It would be interesting to >find >out for top loading that is tied off to a tree (with suitable insulation, >and in a situation where there are no other practical choices for >suspending >the top loading) if there is an optimum spacing of the insulator from the >tree. It may be better to accept moderately lower capacitance for top >loading if the net losses are lower. > >73, Bob ZL2CA > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 229 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 22:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 22:06:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSN3E-0000no-4n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:04:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSN3E-0000nk-1J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:04:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CSN4u-000Ea0-LB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:06:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSN4M-0003Ij-CM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:05:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSN4M-0003Ia-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:05:30 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSN4H-0005xm-T1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:05:29 +0000 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CSN4G-0005FN-02; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:05:24 +0100 Received: from (Ew95PgZcYeSIsdgSCkrZZ5zFsh4h+t4KuVL8gl9ZszluB2VcAmaJk3@[217.251.190.159]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CSN4A-1nxecK0; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:05:18 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3k2f2s$gbahim@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:05:18 +0100 Message-ID: <1CSN4A-1nxecK0@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: Ew95PgZcYeSIsdgSCkrZZ5zFsh4h+t4KuVL8gl9ZszluB2VcAmaJk3 X-TOI-MSGID: 84eb9814-5900-475c-a0ce-96327f28c32a X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305,TW_CV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: DX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John Andrews schrieb: > Uwe, > > > Hi John, W1TAG, is your rcvng system still QRV? > > Yes, but LF long haul conditions are poor right now. I doubt that there would > be any chance of success. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > Ok, lets wait until Alan gives us green light. Uwe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36744 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2004 23:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Nov 2004 23:57:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSOnR-000KOZ-Q4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:56:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSOnR-000KOU-IO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:56:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CSOp7-000Mf3-3l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:57:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSOo8-0003jX-VZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:56:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSOo8-0003jO-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:56:52 +0000 Received: from mail.algerfn.com ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSOo1-00078E-M8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:56:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iABNto1a030067 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:55:50 -0600 Message-ID: <4193FC7F.1040308@genesiswireless.us> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:57:51 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Wood formers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I tried a 45' tall flattop vertical with a 72' long by 5' wide flattop all hung in oak trees. It worked OK when it was below freezing temps outside and decent when the temperature went below zero degrees in the winter. At any temps above freezing, it made a good dummy load. The trees have no effect on my TX loops like Laurence found out =-O Later, -- Mike WE0H WD2XGI Laurence KL1X wrote: > ....well Cottonwood/Pine trees were certainly an affect that reduced > my effectiveness in producing a strong into USA/world signal from > Alaska - ok the distance was more to the nearest receivers but I was > using a pretty large vertical and good top loading, and extensive > earth radial system probably close to "commercial" standards - I just > was in a small cut out the middle of a deep dark dense damp dank > forest - and used trees to suspend additional top loading wires but > didnt get the insulators closer than 20ft from the support braches. As > you say it was always difficult to ascertain the loss/gains on > additional top loading versus loss C due to proximity. > > Working on what we have here in OK with this 380ft circum lazy tx > loop, the same tx power as was etc and from extensive local field > meaurements, Im up about 12dB (or more) compared with my poorer 110 > ft vertical and extensive top loading! - Its got to be these high Z > verticals, trees and the associated lossy C, compared with the Low Z > loop, that doesnt seem to mind rubbing up and down tree trunks, slung > without insultors over branches, and which birds sit and "cheep" on > with close to 35A of aerial current running thru it (and no > connections to earth per se!) > > However if I lived on a farm, with say 20 acres and a 110 ft tower and > a few trees Id probably go for a vertical....then perhaps not! > > ps I used dry cedar to support the vaccum cap which has a few Kv > across it and now cooking/burning smells as of yet... > > Cheers > > Laurence KL1X/5 > > ps conditions are %&^$#!!, but daytime enhancement over a 1500Kms are > up quite a few dBs at the momemt. > >> From: "Vernall" >> Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> To: >> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Wood formers >> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:26:37 +1300 >> >> Hi all, >> >> Some interesting comments on wood and plunging Q of LF coils. It >> also made >> me think about "live wood" and that definitely does have sap. It >> strongly >> suggests that a transmitting antenna should be well clear of trees. >> For a >> vertical, the up-wire is where the current is maximum, and that >> situation is >> similar to a one turn inductor as far as magnetic induction is >> concerned. >> If the wood is also a lossy dielectric, then the top loading wires and >> electric fields could also be contributing to losses with trees in the >> antenna environment. >> >> In terms of efforts made to maximise radiated power on LF, it would be >> unbalanced to focus only on loading coil loss, even if that is more >> directly >> under the control of those making the coil. It would be interesting >> to find >> out for top loading that is tied off to a tree (with suitable >> insulation, >> and in a situation where there are no other practical choices for >> suspending >> the top loading) if there is an optimum spacing of the insulator from >> the >> tree. It may be better to accept moderately lower capacitance for top >> loading if the net losses are lower. >> >> 73, Bob ZL2CA >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16150 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 18:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 18:32:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSgU7-0008lL-5w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:49:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSgU6-0008lH-S4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:49:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CSgDa-000CUu-H4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:32:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSgAx-0005r0-Ni for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:29:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSgAx-0005qr-Cs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:29:35 +0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSgAs-00024H-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:29:35 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.1eb.2da01557 (16112) for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d16.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.132]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef0419500fcf0; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:29:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:29:16 -0500 From: DL4YHF@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <33AF9B14.0350696E.00041B63@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 80.144.73.146 X-AOL-Language: german X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.157.37 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: LF: Kiruna magnetometer dip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Greetings all, This may be interesting for TA observers (and -maybe- aurora watchers). Look at the Kiruna magnetometer: http://spider.irf.se/mag/ Now back to 144 MHz, maybe some LF later. Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . P.S. Sorry if this was sent twice, my webmail client is playing silly games at the moment. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41377 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 20:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 20:08:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CShgc-000GlH-5z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:06:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CShgc-000GlE-3Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:06:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CShi9-000CQE-O1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:07:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CShhT-0005zI-Uf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:07:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CShhT-0005z9-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:07:15 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CShhO-0004Hj-P0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:07:15 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.135.39.207 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 20:07:04 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c4c8f3$2dc4d920$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <33AF9B14.0350696E.00041B63@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:58:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Kiruna magnetometer dip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Wolf that is interesting because Boulder has calculated the Kp for the synoptic period 1500 to 1800 and come up with a Kp index of 3. We are expecting a shock wave from associated with the X2.5 flare on the 10th. This is a little late for that 63 hours, so this must be a coronal hole event. I think the X2.5 shock produced this mornings Kp=5....the timing would be about right. There is no sign of a movement in the last 2 hours on the Boulder magnetometer (NOAA SEC web site) very strange. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 12 November 2004 18:29 Subject: LF: Kiruna magnetometer dip > Greetings all, > > This may be interesting for TA observers (and -maybe- aurora watchers). > Look at the Kiruna magnetometer: > > http://spider.irf.se/mag/ > > Now back to 144 MHz, maybe some LF later. > > Regards, > Wolf DL4YHF . > > P.S. Sorry if this was sent twice, my webmail client is playing silly games at the moment. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86278 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2004 20:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 2004 20:27:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSiHk-0003V9-3G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:44:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CSiHj-0003V0-Sr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:44:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CSi1C-0004HV-UL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:27:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CSi0r-00063V-Je for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:27:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CSi0r-00063M-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:27:17 +0000 Received: from bay12-f1.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.1] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CSi0k-00050p-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:27:17 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:27:03 -0800 Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:26:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:26:49 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2004 20:27:03.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[F871B240:01C4C8F5] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.35.1 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: RE: LF: Re: Kiruna magnetometer dip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/data.fcgi - its a bit Noiser in Alaska!! Laurence >From: "Alan Melia" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Re: Kiruna magnetometer dip >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:58:22 -0000 > >Hi Wolf that is interesting because Boulder has calculated the Kp for the >synoptic period 1500 to 1800 and come up with a Kp index of 3. We are >expecting a shock wave from associated with the X2.5 flare on the 10th. >This >is a little late for that 63 hours, so this must be a coronal hole event. I >think the X2.5 shock produced this mornings Kp=5....the timing would be >about right. >There is no sign of a movement in the last 2 hours on the Boulder >magnetometer (NOAA SEC web site) very strange. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: 12 November 2004 18:29 >Subject: LF: Kiruna magnetometer dip > > > > Greetings all, > > > > This may be interesting for TA observers (and -maybe- aurora watchers). > > Look at the Kiruna magnetometer: > > > > http://spider.irf.se/mag/ > > > > Now back to 144 MHz, maybe some LF later. > > > > Regards, > > Wolf DL4YHF . > > > > P.S. Sorry if this was sent twice, my webmail client is playing silly >games at the moment. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27582 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2004 16:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 2004 16:52:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CT1Pa-00047Y-Ee for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:10:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CT1Pa-00047V-Bx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:10:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CT18w-000FJB-3o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:52:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CT184-0007EQ-FK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:52:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CT184-0007EH-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:52:00 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CT17z-0004HK-CT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:51:59 +0000 Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041113165150.LVLR1968.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:51:50 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041113165149.QMDB17601.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:51:49 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:51:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41963BAC.19820.157BBD4@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_11_50=0.559,RAZOR2_CHECK=0.899,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: No G3XDV test Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I had planned to transmit overnight tonight, but judging by W3EEE's DCF39 graph the conditions are terrible, so will postpone until later in the week. Unusually high QRN levels here in the UK, so little activity today. Mike, G3XDV =========== http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22178 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 00:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 00:15:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CTUnC-0007m1-JE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:32:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CTUnC-0007ly-GC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:32:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CTUWM-000P4p-63 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:15:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CTUVG-0002ZY-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:13:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CTUVF-0002ZP-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:13:53 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CTUVB-0006hM-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:13:53 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.131.215.51 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 00:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c4caa7$c59a7600$33d78351@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c4c75e$a00d5ca0$bbab7ad5@jgtdiynm> <200411111539200989.0518CDF5@mail.zetnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:11:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.138 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Loading coil Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020409020805080701010103" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020409020805080701010103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group, I have attached a picture of GBR's wooden loading coil taken last year - the hexagonal spiders are about 5m across, the litz wire conductors are about 50mm thick and I believe are 6561 strands of 36swg wire. The inductance is of the order of a few millihenrys. The papers describing the original 1926 station indicate the coil Q was a few thousand; the timber used was "American Whitewood", whatever that may be - it was reckoned to be much lower loss than other types of wood. The plates attached to the coil frame said it was rated for 1000A at 16 - 22kHz. John Rabson wrote: > But didn't the helix house burn down once? I think that was in 1943, when the original wooden roof caught fire and gutted the top part of the building containing the loading coil. The lower floor housing the transmitter was repaired fairly quickly, but it was not possible to replace the coil immediately, so a temporary outdoor loading coil was used for a while. The coil in the photo seems almost identical to pictures of the original 1926 loading coil, except that pairs of spiders are paralleled up, presumably because the later antenna top loading had more capacitance than the original, and required less inductance. Also in 1926 the antenna feed was connected through a big glass window in the wall, wheras last year it passed through the (now concrete) roof. You can see the copper sheet shield above the coil; also there was a grid of copper wires covering the walls, which connected to the earth bus-bar, which can be seen going round the wall. 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References: <000f01c4c75e$a00d5ca0$bbab7ad5@jgtdiynm> <200411111539200989.0518CDF5@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <001401c4caa7$c59a7600$33d78351@jgtdiynm> In-Reply-To: <001401c4caa7$c59a7600$33d78351@jgtdiynm> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY=0.257,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.261 Subject: Re: LF: Loading coil Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070703070407000609000004" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070703070407000609000004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think our Whitewood is Pine or Poplar trees. That's a bit large of a coil =-O

Mike

James Moritz wrote:
Dear LF Group,

I have attached a picture of GBR's wooden loading coil taken last year - the
hexagonal spiders are about 5m across, the litz wire conductors are about
50mm thick and I believe are 6561 strands of 36swg wire. The inductance is
of the order of a few  millihenrys. The papers describing the original 1926
station indicate the coil Q was a few thousand; the timber used was
"American Whitewood", whatever that may be - it was reckoned to be much
lower loss than other types of wood. The plates attached to the coil frame
said it was rated for 1000A at 16 - 22kHz.

John Rabson wrote:
  
But didn't the helix house burn down once?
    

I think that was in 1943, when the original wooden roof caught fire and
gutted the top part of the building containing the loading coil. The lower
floor housing the transmitter was repaired fairly quickly, but it was not
possible to replace the coil immediately, so a temporary outdoor loading
coil was used for a while. The coil in the photo seems almost identical to
pictures of the original 1926 loading coil, except that pairs of spiders are
paralleled up, presumably because the later antenna top loading had more
capacitance than the original, and required less inductance. Also in 1926
the antenna feed was connected through a big glass window in the wall,
wheras last year it passed through the (now concrete) roof. You can see the
copper sheet shield above the coil; also there was a grid of copper wires
covering the walls, which connected to the earth bus-bar, which can be seen
going round the wall.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  



-- 
Mike
WE0H
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--------------070703070407000609000004-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90549 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2004 03:26:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Nov 2004 03:26:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CTXmg-000786-Cq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:44:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CTXmg-00077y-5L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:44:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CTXVp-000NXM-7E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:26:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CTXVM-0002sD-Tk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 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Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.56 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Loading coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jim Nice photo! You wouldn't happen to have a close up of the wood grain by chance? Two likely species of American "white" hardwood would be white oak and white birch. Once kiln dried both maintain their dryness and have excellent long-term dimensional stability. Have used both types extensively in furniture making...can't say I've built any massive loading coils, though. ;~) Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loading coil > Dear LF Group, > > I have attached a picture of GBR's wooden loading coil taken last year - the > hexagonal spiders are about 5m across, the litz wire conductors are about > 50mm thick and I believe are 6561 strands of 36swg wire. The inductance is > of the order of a few millihenrys. The papers describing the original 1926 > station indicate the coil Q was a few thousand; the timber used was > "American Whitewood", whatever that may be - it was reckoned to be much > lower loss than other types of wood. The plates attached to the coil frame > said it was rated for 1000A at 16 - 22kHz. > > John Rabson wrote: > > But didn't the helix house burn down once? > > I think that was in 1943, when the original wooden roof caught fire and > gutted the top part of the building containing the loading coil. The lower > floor housing the transmitter was repaired fairly quickly, but it was not > possible to replace the coil immediately, so a temporary outdoor loading > coil was used for a while. The coil in the photo seems almost identical to > pictures of the original 1926 loading coil, except that pairs of spiders are > paralleled up, presumably because the later antenna top loading had more > capacitance than the original, and required less inductance. Also in 1926 > the antenna feed was connected through a big glass window in the wall, > wheras last year it passed through the (now concrete) roof. You can see the > copper sheet shield above the coil; also there was a grid of copper wires > covering the walls, which connected to the earth bus-bar, which can be seen > going round the wall. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96373 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2004 11:39:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 11:39:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CU1fB-000LGX-U9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:38:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CU1fB-000LG6-Ds for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:38:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CU1g9-0009HT-0o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:39:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CU1ex-00052L-RF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:38:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CU1ex-00052C-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:38:07 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CU1em-0003me-S1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:38:07 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.221.178 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2004 11:37:50 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c4cbd0$b3407ac0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:37:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: Useful LF "VFO" ?? on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All. This items on eBay today looks very similar infacilities to the Adret 201 sig gen I have, and that is excellent for providing a stable source on 136 with .01Hz resolution. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94245 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUEEk-000Bjp-Sq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUEEk-000Bjm-Pa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUEFc-0008h7-Re for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:04:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUEEb-0005xU-0K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUEEa-0005xL-L9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:44 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUEEW-00068K-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:44 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (144.254.224.150) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2004 02:27:21 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iAH13VeG026257 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:03:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from zen.co.uk (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp4537.cisco.com [10.61.81.184]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19825 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:30 GMT Message-ID: <419AA362.7020908@zen.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:03:30 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c4cbd0$b3407ac0$6507a8c0@Main> In-Reply-To: <001201c4cbd0$b3407ac0$6507a8c0@Main> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 144.254.224.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zen.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869 Subject: Re: LF: Useful LF "VFO" ?? on eBay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Looks like it was sniped by a trader. Stewart G3YSX Alan Melia wrote: >Hi All. >This items on eBay today looks very similar infacilities to the Adret 201 >sig gen I have, and that is excellent for providing a stable source on 136 >with .01Hz resolution. > >84&rd=1 > > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90393 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 09:20:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 09:20:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CULxx-000L2p-Li for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CULxw-000L2b-TR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CULyl-000GvS-C9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CULy9-0006Wj-DO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CULy9-0006Wa-1H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:17 +0000 Received: from [194.203.13.70] (helo=viruswall.mmsuk.co.uk) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CULy3-0007H3-Vn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:17 +0000 Received: by mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:05 -0000 Message-ID: From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:19:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.203.13.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of astrium.eads.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello LF Group Many thanks for all comments and advice - most interesting. I drilled out the wooden dowels on the loading coil and replaced them with lengths of 15 mm plastic water pipe. I was unable to obtain plastic rod at short notice and my XYL wouldn't let me have her knitting needles ! The pipe was not really rigid enough and bent slightly but was sufficient to prove the experiment. With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about 250.. Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a bigger current improvement would have been achieved. I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor. It must be a dying art ! My next improvement will be to raise the 'droopy' end of my aerial, presently at a height of about 5 metres Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden where the mast was to be situated. Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of them and cut a length off the aerial ? Presumably I can't get the phone company to move their wires !! 73 Chris G3XIZ This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. 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Message date : Nov 17 2004, 09:20 AM
From : "OSBORN, Chris"
To : "LF Group (E-mail)"
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Subject : LF: Loading Coils



Hello LF Group

Many thanks for all comments and advice - most interesting.

I drilled out the wooden dowels on the loading coil and replaced
them with lengths of 15 mm plastic water pipe.
I was unable to obtain plastic rod at short notice and my XYL
wouldn't let me have her knitting needles !
The pipe was not really rigid enough and bent slightly but was
sufficient to prove the experiment.
With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about
250..

Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement
to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A
I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a
bigger current improvement w ould have been achieved.

I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was
surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor.
It must be a dying art !

My next improvement will be to raise the 'droopy' end of my aerial,
presently at a height of about 5 metres
Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden
where the mast was to be situated.
Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of
them and cut a length off the aerial ?
Presumably I can't get the phone company to move their wires !!

73 Chris G3XIZ

Hi Chris,

Major losses are ground losses ! This is very difficult to overcome, buried radials do not seem to help presumably because the lengths that most of us can manage are too short. I have found that by far the best way if lowering losses is to put more wire in the air. One meter of  wire in the air is worth 100m in the ground ! This extra wire does not have to be in a straight line but it must not be too close to existing wires.So try a zig zag or radial top hat. Do try to raise the low end also since this works against the height of the vertical section and lowers the radiation resistance.

Best of luck Laurie.



 



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87780 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 10:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 10:23:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUMxN-0009zP-Kn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:22:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUMxN-0009zG-EZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:22:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUMyB-0004Pi-G9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:23:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUMxa-0006hY-1K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:22:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUMxZ-0006hP-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:22:45 +0000 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUMxV-0007V6-E5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:22:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FCA13797C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:22:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD0C13796C for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:22:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CD53801A0 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:22:34 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20041117111955.020e7d70@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:32:50 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.58.240.45 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,CELL_PHONE_BOOST=1.584 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Chris, >With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about 250.. > >Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement >to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A >I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a >bigger current improvement would have been achieved. The loss in the loading coil rarely exceeds 10 .. 20 Ohm, unless Q is very low. Other losses (ground, greenery, buildings) are typical 50 .. 100 Ohm, unless you live close to the sea So once you have the coil losses below 10 Ohm don't expect too much from further coil improvement. About your "slight improvement" : increasing the current from 1.2 to 1.5 A increases the ERP by 56 % (2 dB), that's not so "slight" >Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden >where the mast was to be situated. >Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of >them and cut a length off the aerial ? I wouldn't be too keen to get the antenna wire over the phone lines. In the event that the wire breaks and drops on the phone line during transmission (can happen if you burn some ropes or isolators due to arcing) you might put several kV on the phone line and cause a lot of damage. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9015 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 10:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 10:31:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUNMi-000947-7I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:48:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUNMh-000943-RF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:48:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUN5W-000GeD-IH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:30:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUN58-0006lj-J6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:30:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUN58-0006la-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:30:34 +0000 Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.42]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUN51-0007XF-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:30:34 +0000 Received: from 203-118-166-55.adsl.ihug.co.nz ([192.168.0.121]) [203.118.166.55] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CUN4u-0006mn-00; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:30:20 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.289 [265.3.1]); Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:30:50 +1300 Message-ID: <00d401c4cc90$8203f1b0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:30:50 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 203.109.254.42 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ihug.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Loading Coils Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Chris Most of your losses will normally be in your ground system - not the loading coil. Amateur LF vertical antenna systems of necessity have severely constrained (size/efficiency) ground systems. So contributions from any half-decent loading coil will be way down, compared to the ground system losses. Dave, ZL3FJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: LF: Loading Coils > > > > Hello LF Group > > Many thanks for all comments and advice - most interesting. > > I drilled out the wooden dowels on the loading coil and replaced > them with lengths of 15 mm plastic water pipe. > I was unable to obtain plastic rod at short notice and my XYL > wouldn't let me have her knitting needles ! > The pipe was not really rigid enough and bent slightly but was > sufficient to prove the experiment. > With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about > 250.. > > Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement > to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A > I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a > bigger current improvement would have been achieved. > > I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was > surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor. > It must be a dying art ! > > My next improvement will be to raise the 'droopy' end of my aerial, > presently at a height of about 5 metres > Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden > where the mast was to be situated. > Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of > them and cut a length off the aerial ? > Presumably I can't get the phone company to move their wires !! > > 73 Chris G3XIZ > > This email is for the intended addressee only. > If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, > disseminate or otherwise deal with it. > Please notify the sender by return email. > The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of > EADS Astrium Limited. > Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any > contract or obligation. > > EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 > Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 > 2AS, England > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.3.1 - Release Date: > 15/11/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Hello group.
 
The following appeared a few days ago but has not yet been posted here.
 
Congratulations to John and Warren on the QSO and Jay for the recording.
 
73
 
David 
 
 
 
 
First US 137kHz QSO. John Andrews W1TAG (experimental license WD2XES) and Warren Ziegler K2ORS (WD2XGJ) had the first two way Part 5 QSO in the U.S. at 0200 Friday November 12 on CW. They are about 25 miles (40km) apart and both stations used transmit loop antennas. John was running 200W with a homebrew exciter into a Hafler audio amplifier and Warren 250W with a G0MRF Class-D switching transmitter. Warren's receiver was an HP 3586C selective level meter and John used his ICOM R75. Jay Rusgrove W1VD (about 100 miles South in CT) made an MP3 of the QSO: http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/XESXGJ.mp3
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24508 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 11:16:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 11:16:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUO4J-000JIB-13 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:33:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUO4I-000JI1-Qs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:33:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUNn7-0008rJ-FJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:16:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUNmX-0006wr-BW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:15:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUNmW-0006wi-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:15:24 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUNmS-0007ib-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:15:24 +0000 Received: from jayterminal (c-67-165-6-48.client.comcast.net[67.165.6.48]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20041117111501015008ccmee>; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:15:06 +0000 Message-ID: <006601c4cc95$4fd0e4a0$6401a8c0@attbi.com> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <110.3cffabc0.2ecc83a4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: 2 way QSO in the USA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) David & group An .mp3 with reduced impulse noise artifacts is available at: http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/XESXGJ1.mp3 Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:36 AM Subject: LF: 2 way QSO in the USA > > > Hello group. > > The following appeared a few days ago but has not yet been posted here. > > Congratulations to John and Warren on the QSO and Jay for the recording. > > 73 > > David > > > > > First US 137kHz QSO. John Andrews W1TAG (experimental license WD2XES) and > Warren Ziegler K2ORS (WD2XGJ) had the first two way Part 5 QSO in the U.S. at > 0200 Friday November 12 on CW. They are about 25 miles (40km) apart and both > stations used transmit loop antennas. John was running 200W with a homebrew > exciter into a Hafler audio amplifier and Warren 250W with a G0MRF Class-D > switching transmitter. Warren's receiver was an HP 3586C selective level meter > and John used his ICOM R75. Jay Rusgrove W1VD (about 100 miles South in CT) > made an MP3 of the QSO: _http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/XESXGJ.mp3_ > (http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/XESXGJ.mp3) > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26812 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 13:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 13:49:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUQAz-0009UT-6A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:48:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUQAy-0009UK-TJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:48:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUQBl-000Ece-Mt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:49:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUQAS-00079S-Vi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:48:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUQAS-00079J-Ju for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:48:16 +0000 Received: from bay12-f7.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.7] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUQAN-0008C9-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:48:16 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:48:03 -0800 Received: from 24.116.236.190 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:47:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.236.190] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:47:18 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2004 13:48:03.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F2AC940:01C4CCAC] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.35.7 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Its not all bad... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit TransAtlantic W/Eu northern paths continue to be a wash out as they are passing thru the "nasty" Northern Zone but other paths are still "open" but down a bit from the halcyon days of about 2 weeks ago. I saw DCF39 above noiz for the first time last night but only briefly. Mike ZL4OL received XDW weakly last night (USA early Wed morning, ZL Wed dusk/night) over the 13KKms path, again so not all gloom on non Polar closing paths. WD2XDW continues to run +24 and Steve w3eee is running real time level measurements which are real interesting for me see http://www.w3eee.com/ and select LIVE 3 Ill be returning to Alaska for the Christmas and new year period and will take my LF rx gear with me so hoping to set up a reasonable rx system somewhere quiet when I can Lets hope conditions are favorable. cheers Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88413 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 14:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 14:05:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUQQY-000D5L-UM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:04:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUQQY-000D5I-Rb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:04:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUQRL-00008w-Fb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:05:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUQQu-0007E0-EF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:05:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUQQu-0007Dr-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:05:16 +0000 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUQQq-0008GN-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:05:16 +0000 Received: from tnt-15-226.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.26.226] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CUQQi-0008mD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:05:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c4ccaf$17505420$e21a86d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041117111955.020e7d70@u0019445.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:52:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,CELL_PHONE_BOOST=1.584,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.68,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Chris, > > >With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about 250.. > > > >Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement > >to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A > >I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a > >bigger current improvement would have been achieved. > The loss in the loading coil rarely exceeds 10 .. 20 Ohm, unless Q is very low. > Other losses (ground, greenery, buildings) are typical 50 .. 100 Ohm, > unless you live close to the sea > So once you have the coil losses below 10 Ohm don't expect too much from > further coil improvement. > About your "slight improvement" : increasing the current from 1.2 to 1.5 A > increases the ERP by 56 % (2 dB), that's not so "slight" > > >Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden > >where the mast was to be situated. > >Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of > >them and cut a length off the aerial ? > I wouldn't be too keen to get the antenna wire over the phone lines. > In the event that the wire breaks and drops on the phone line during > transmission (can happen if you burn some ropes or isolators due to > arcing) you might put several kV on the phone line and cause a lot of damage. > > 73, Rik ON7YD I have an inverted L cum Inverted V with the centre about 16m high and the end just under 10m high. The 10m high end passes over a telephone line that crosses the garden. The concerns mentioned by Rik did occur to me. I did have the antenna wire fall down due to a failure of an insulator (before replaced by those excellent PA0SE insulators) during some early TA tests. In the event the detuning of the antenna system shut down the power so no damage (that I know of) occured. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81194 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 14:49:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 14:49:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUR72-000NaH-6P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:48:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUR71-000Na9-QP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:48:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUR7o-000Js8-5i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:49:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUR7F-0007Jz-Ew for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:49:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUR7F-0007Jq-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:49:01 +0000 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUR74-0008QR-IL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:49:01 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.5]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16324 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:44:49 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:46:32 -0000 Message-ID: <01C4CCB4.3A7963B0.actalbot@southsurf.com> From: Andy To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:46:29 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: UKNWN(UK) X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.80.0.234 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.516 Subject: RE: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Its not just young electronics engineers who know nothing about inductors. I work with a number of middle aged ones (well, 30 - 50 anyway) who also know next to nothing about inductors, wire antennas, or even radio communications. A couple of them are world experts in the fields of radar and radar countermeasures too! Also, when I mentioned radiative and reactive fields to a so-called antenna expert here, he looked blank, then had to stop and think. Appears his 'expertise' really just relates to running antenna contracts with several commercial concerns. The standards of electronics taught in universities, especially as regards basic theory (rather than easier to teach software modelling), is very bad, and getting still worse - some graduates can't even apply ohms law to a practical situation. Andy I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a > bigger current improvement would have been achieved. > > I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was > surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor. > It must be a dying art ! > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3812 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 15:31:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 15:31:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CURly-0008bT-Fr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CURlx-0008bJ-Gf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CURmj-0008Wg-HR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CURmK-0007Qy-Vy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CURmK-0007Qp-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:28 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CURm9-00008W-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:28 +0000 Received: from apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.54]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CURm9-000P2M-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:17 +0000 Received: from www by apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CURm9-0006ZD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:17 +0000 Received: from 205.172.40.2 ([205.172.40.2]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:17 +0000 Message-ID: <1100705477.419b6ec50ba2f@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:31:17 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <19115558.1100686187421.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> In-Reply-To: <19115558.1100686187421.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 205.172.40.2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: LF: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for me also. Why not tell phone company to take 'em away? Did they ask your permission to put 'em there? Bryan g3gvb ( In w-land this month tho' ] Quoting Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC : > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message date : Nov 17 2004, 09:20 AM > From : "OSBORN, Chris" > To : "LF Group (E-mail)" > Copy to : > Subject : LF: Loading Coils > > > > Hello LF Group > > Many thanks for all comments and advice - most interesting. > > I drilled out the wooden dowels on the loading coil and replaced > them with lengths of 15 mm plastic water pipe. > I was unable to obtain plastic rod at short notice and my XYL > wouldn't let me have her knitting needles ! > The pipe was not really rigid enough and bent slightly but was > sufficient to prove the experiment. > With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about > 250.. > > Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement > to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A > I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a > bigger current improvement would have been achieved. > > I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was > surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor. > It must be a dying art ! > > My next improvement will be to raise the 'droopy' end of my aerial, > presently at a height of about 5 metres > Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden > where the mast was to be situated. > Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of > them and cut a length off the aerial ? > Presumably I can't get the phone company to move their wires !! > > 73 Chris G3XIZ > > Hi Chris, > Major losses are ground losses ! This is very difficult to overcome, buried > radials do not seem to help presumably because the lengths that most of us > can manage are too short. I have found that by far the best way if lowering > losses is to put more wire in the air. One meter of wire in the air is worth > 100m in the ground ! This extra wire does not have to be in a straight line > but it must not be too close to existing wires.So try a zig zag or radial top > hat. Do try to raise the low end also since this works against the height of > the vertical section and lowers the radiation resistance. > Best of luck Laurie. > > -- > > Whatever you Wanadoo: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ > > This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38299 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 15:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 15:43:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CURxE-000BPU-M5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:42:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CURxD-000BPL-US for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:42:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CURxz-0000EI-Q0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:43:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CURxT-0007Ue-NI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:42:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CURxT-0007UV-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:42:59 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CURxP-0000AW-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:42:59 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MJUSonyLaptop) (m.j.underhill@81.157.4.203 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 15:42:50 -0000 From: "Mike Underhill" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:43:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <1100705477.419b6ec50ba2f@webmail.ukonline.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of underhill.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_COST=1.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: LF: RE: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=NO_COST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) The legal phrase to use is "I find that I do not have any record of your way-leave for these lines". It works! I got wires and a telephone pole moved for no charge on this basis Mike - G3LHZ > Subject: LF: Telephone wires > > neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for me > also. > > Why not tell phone company to take 'em away? > Did they ask your permission to put 'em there? > > Bryan g3gvb ( In w-land this month tho' ] > > Quoting Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC : > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53573 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 15:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 15:48:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUS2N-000CnC-8o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUS2N-000Cn9-1N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUS39-000C7l-0h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUS2t-0007YX-TF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUS2t-0007YO-Ib for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:35 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUS2p-0000BZ-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:35 +0000 Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041117154826.FJGW1121.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:26 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041117154826.ZMK6712.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:26 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:48:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <419B72C6.1108.AE9AA@localhost> In-reply-to: <1100705477.419b6ec50ba2f@webmail.ukonline.net> References: <19115558.1100686187421.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Telephone wires Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for > me also. > > Why not tell phone company to take 'em away? > Did they ask your permission to put 'em there? > > Bryan g3gvb ( In w-land this month tho' ] Well, they probably did as part of your own telephone contract. You can ask for the wires to be re-routed, but it will cost. Mike, G3XDV http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86355 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 16:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 16:01:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUSEB-000Fy9-UA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUSEB-000Fy5-NV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUSEx-000LUw-Kd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:01:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUSER-0007dA-9w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUSEQ-0007d1-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:30 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUSEN-0000Fc-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:30 +0000 Received: from aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041117160022.TSAQ1968.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:22 +0000 Received: from smiley ([217.137.58.29]) by aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20041117160021.OCFI17601.aamta01-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smiley> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:00:21 +0000 Message-ID: <004501c4ccbe$b4515c60$fad5fea9@smiley> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:01:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) BT doesn't need a wayleave to have wires "flying" over your land, poles however are a different matter 73s Tracey > > > > neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for me > > also. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76300 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 17:47:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 17:47:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUTsn-000F8h-Pj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:46:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUTsm-000F8a-IY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:46:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUTtX-0003mR-Mc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:47:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUTt0-0007o0-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:46:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUTt0-0007nr-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:46:30 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUTsw-0000ak-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:46:30 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (144.254.224.150) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2004 19:10:19 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id iAHHk9eG013090 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:46:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from zen.co.uk (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp349.cisco.com [10.61.65.93]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20701 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:46:08 GMT Message-ID: <419B8E60.3090904@zen.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:46:08 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> <004501c4ccbe$b4515c60$fad5fea9@smiley> In-Reply-To: <004501c4ccbe$b4515c60$fad5fea9@smiley> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 144.254.224.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zen.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) You might want to be quick though. I understand that the farmers are about to inundate the power and phone people with pole movement demands. - Stewart Tracey Gardner wrote: >BT doesn't need a wayleave to have wires "flying" over your land, poles >however are a different matter > >73s Tracey > > > >>>neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for >>> >>> >me > > >>>also. >>> >>> >>> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77767 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 18:25:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 18:25:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUUTt-000OgV-7o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:24:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUUTs-000OgK-QZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:24:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUUUd-000JSC-Ho for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:25:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUUTu-0007v5-4e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:24:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUUTt-0007uw-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:24:37 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47] helo=mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUUTp-0000hb-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:24:37 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-8-120.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.8.120]:3076 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CUUTj-000BPk-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:24:27 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:24:27 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1100705477.419b6ec50ba2f@webmail.ukonline.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: LF: RE: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All, You just beat me to it there, a radio amatuer friend of mine did actually refuse the Post Office permission to run telephone wires over his land for the very same reason, theinstalled a new telephone post & bypassed his garden. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of captbrian Sent: 17 November 2004 15:31 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Telephone wires neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for me also. Why not tell phone company to take 'em away? Did they ask your permission to put 'em there? Bryan g3gvb ( In w-land this month tho' ] Quoting Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC : > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message date : Nov 17 2004, 09:20 AM > From : "OSBORN, Chris" > To : "LF Group (E-mail)" > Copy to : > Subject : LF: Loading Coils > > > > Hello LF Group > > Many thanks for all comments and advice - most interesting. > > I drilled out the wooden dowels on the loading coil and replaced > them with lengths of 15 mm plastic water pipe. > I was unable to obtain plastic rod at short notice and my XYL > wouldn't let me have her knitting needles ! > The pipe was not really rigid enough and bent slightly but was > sufficient to prove the experiment. > With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about > 250.. > > Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement > to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A > I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a > bigger current improvement would have been achieved. > > I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was > surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor. > It must be a dying art ! > > My next improvement will be to raise the 'droopy' end of my aerial, > presently at a height of about 5 metres > Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden > where the mast was to be situated. > Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of > them and cut a length off the aerial ? > Presumably I can't get the phone company to move their wires !! > > 73 Chris G3XIZ > > Hi Chris, > Major losses are ground losses ! This is very difficult to overcome, buried > radials do not seem to help presumably because the lengths that most of us > can manage are too short. I have found that by far the best way if lowering > losses is to put more wire in the air. One meter of wire in the air is worth > 100m in the ground ! This extra wire does not have to be in a straight line > but it must not be too close to existing wires.So try a zig zag or radial top > hat. Do try to raise the low end also since this works against the height of > the vertical section and lowers the radiation resistance. > Best of luck Laurie. > > -- > > Whatever you Wanadoo: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ > > This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: > http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.3.1 - Release Date: 15/11/2004 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97147 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 18:48:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 18:48:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUV8S-000EF8-4e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:06:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUV8R-000EEz-VJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:06:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUUrD-0001YI-T4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:48:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUUqc-00080H-U5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:48:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUUqc-000808-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:48:06 +0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUUqU-0000nU-VY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:48:06 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.1eb.2e0cf8fd (4459) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:47:46 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.2e0cf8fd.2eccf6d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:47:46 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.157.37 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Sounds good Chris.
 
The other tip I should have included is putting small samples of such plastics material (together with half a cup of water) in the microwave oven for a short while as a guide to determining losses.
 
73 de pat g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4140 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 19:36:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUVsn-000MbN-D6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:54:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUVsn-000MbG-2t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:54:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUVbY-000JP6-NY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUVbD-00085p-J9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUVbD-00085g-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUVb9-0000wz-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from apache4-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.55]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CUVb8-000I6s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:10 +0000 Received: from www by apache4-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CUVb8-0004n3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:10 +0000 Received: from 205.172.40.2 ([205.172.40.2]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:10 +0000 Message-ID: <1100720170.419ba82ad3568@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:10 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> <004501c4ccbe$b4515c60$fad5fea9@smiley> <419B8E60.3090904@zen.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <419B8E60.3090904@zen.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 205.172.40.2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Is the space above my front garden a 'free-for-all' then ?. If my aerial wires tangle with their beastly 'phone wires , will it become a matter of whose wire-cutters get there first.? LF needs are about to have me string stuff up in front of the house where previously HF stuff has been firmly behind it. Bryan who will Quoting Stewart Bryant : > You might want to be quick though. > > I understand that the farmers are about to inundate the power and > phone people with pole movement demands. > > - Stewart > > Tracey Gardner wrote: > > >BT doesn't need a wayleave to have wires "flying" over your land, poles > >however are a different matter > > > >73s Tracey > > > > > > > >>>neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for > >>> > >>> > >me > > > > > >>>also. > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10192 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 19:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 19:39:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUVdT-000Cl5-IO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:38:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUVdT-000Cl2-Fq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:38:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUVeD-0001xR-Rv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUVe3-00088u-1m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUVe2-00088l-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:10 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUVdy-0000yt-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:10 +0000 Received: from apache4-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.55]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CUVdy-000IuH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:06 +0000 Received: from www by apache4-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CUVdy-0004nR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:06 +0000 Received: from 205.172.40.2 ([205.172.40.2]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:06 +0000 Message-ID: <1100720346.419ba8da76246@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:06 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> In-Reply-To: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 205.172.40.2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.14 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_COST=1.001,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=NO_COST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) slight problem. BT line for my phone is ok with me [d'ruther have it buried tho' ] but neighbours lines are a nuisance LOL !!>: > The legal phrase to use is "I find that I do not have any record of your > way-leave for these lines". It works! I got wires and a telephone pole > moved for no charge on this basis > > Mike - G3LHZ > > > Subject: LF: Telephone wires > > > > neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for me > > also. > > > > Why not tell phone company to take 'em away? > > Did they ask your permission to put 'em there? > > > > Bryan g3gvb ( In w-land this month tho' ] > > > > Quoting Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50963 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 20:31:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 20:31:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUWkD-0006EL-QB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUWkD-0006EI-NG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:49:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUWSz-000Mxv-29 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:31:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUWSH-0008Fm-6S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:31:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUWSG-0008Fd-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:31:04 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUWSC-00018U-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:31:04 +0000 Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041117203054.EPXV3998.mta05-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:30:54 +0000 Received: from smiley ([62.255.84.48]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20041117203054.DTAE6712.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@smiley> for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:30:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c4cce4$7fbfc2e0$fad5fea9@smiley> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> <004501c4ccbe$b4515c60$fad5fea9@smiley> <419B8E60.3090904@zen.co.uk> <1100720170.419ba82ad3568@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:31:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.8 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Yes the space above all your property is a "free for all for telecommunications purposes" that means front, back and side gardens! :-) Flying Wire powers were granted to the Post Office early in the last century and were carried forward when BT was privatised. You either accept flying wires or you'd need to have lots more poles so that wires wouldn't cross other peoples property. 73s Tracey > Is the space above my front garden a 'free-for-all' then ?. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71352 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2004 21:30:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Nov 2004 21:30:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUXMa-0008By-73 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:29:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUXMa-0008Bv-4M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:29:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUXNJ-000LJm-Pr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:30:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUXMy-0008MG-2b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:29:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUXMx-0008M7-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:29:39 +0000 Received: from mx.debryansk.ru ([62.33.234.10] helo=tower.tts.debryansk.ru ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUXMr-0001Gc-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:29:39 +0000 Received: from online.debryansk.ru (ppp110k.tts.debryansk.ru [62.33.236.116]) by tower.tts.debryansk.ru (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAHLTT5K012103 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:29:30 +0300 Message-ID: <419BC2C8.8020703@online.debryansk.ru> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:29:44 +0300 From: Dmitry RA3YO User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01c4c349$223341f0$05001aac@joan> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.33.234.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of online.debryansk.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: TX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF'ers I am RA3YO. QTH BRYANSK, KO73DG My TX is 2 x IRFP460 = 100W ANT 18 meters height TX Thursday, Friday 137703 18-21z qrss30 Any reports welcomed 73 Dmitry From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17226 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 00:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 00:16:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUZxL-000Go8-3u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUZxL-000Go5-1U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUZy3-0003Aa-Cz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:16:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUZxS-00007t-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUZxR-00007k-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:29 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUZxO-0001dw-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:29 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MJUSonyLaptop) (m.j.underhill@81.157.4.203 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 00:15:20 -0000 From: "Mike Underhill" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:15:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c4cd03$b0ae1090$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <1100720346.419ba8da76246@webmail.ukonline.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of underhill.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_COST=1.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Telephone and Electricity wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=NO_COST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) By the way I also got an electricity pole supplying my neighbours removed from my garden (previous QTH) at the same time as the telephone wires, using the same legal clause. The neighbours' telephone wires were also attached to my chimney and that also legally required a wayleave. In my case all poles and neighbours' wires were removed at no cost to me. Unfortunately the neighbours were charged and that did not make me popular for a while! Mike - G3LHZ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of captbrian > Sent: 17 November 2004 19:39 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Telephone wires > > slight problem. BT line for my phone is ok with me [d'ruther have it > buried > tho' ] but neighbours lines are a nuisance LOL !!>: > > > The legal phrase to use is "I find that I do not have any record of your > > way-leave for these lines". It works! I got wires and a telephone pole > > moved for no charge on this basis > > > > Mike - G3LHZ > > > > > Subject: LF: Telephone wires > > > > > > neighbours telephone wires across my garden are an upcoming hazard for > me > > > also. > > > > > > Why not tell phone company to take 'em away? > > > Did they ask your permission to put 'em there? > > > > > > Bryan g3gvb ( In w-land this month tho' ] > > > > > > Quoting Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83273 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 05:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 05:55:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUfY0-0000V6-KW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:13:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUfY0-0000Uw-Ea for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:13:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUfGi-00074W-9l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:55:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUfGD-0000d4-Vu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:55:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUfGD-0000cv-K9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:55:13 +0000 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.com ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUfG9-0002Tr-RO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:55:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAI5sQkA015615 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:54:26 -0600 Message-ID: <419C39C1.9090302@genesiswireless.us> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:57:21 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Chris, Put up an Ashlock loop and forget about losses with trees or wires or coils or houses or rain or snow or people or animals or anything else. Just ask Laurence how well they work or maybe Mal would like to comment? ;-) 73's, -- Mike WE0H WD2XGI OSBORN, Chris wrote: > > Hello LF Group > > Many thanks for all comments and advice - most interesting. > > I drilled out the wooden dowels on the loading coil and replaced >them with lengths of 15 mm plastic water pipe. > I was unable to obtain plastic rod at short notice and my XYL >wouldn't let me have her knitting needles ! > The pipe was not really rigid enough and bent slightly but was >sufficient to prove the experiment. > With this new arrangement I obtained my personal best Q of about >250.. > > Placing the new coil in the aerial circuit made a slight improvement >to the aerial current - from about 1.2 A to 1.5 A > I would have thought that as most of the losses were in the coil a >bigger current improvement would have been achieved. > > I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was >surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor. > It must be a dying art ! > > My next improvement will be to raise the 'droopy' end of my aerial, >presently at a height of about 5 metres > Unfortunately two neighbours' telephone wires pass over my garden >where the mast was to be situated. > Any suggestions - should I go over the wires or keep well clear of >them and cut a length off the aerial ? > Presumably I can't get the phone company to move their wires !! > > 73 Chris G3XIZ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59660 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 15:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 15:04:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUo6a-0008o7-Cv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:21:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUo6a-0008nz-2i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:21:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUnpE-000KEP-Je for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:03:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUnnk-0001DB-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:02:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUnnk-0001D2-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:02:24 +0000 Received: from nort.infotecstt.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUnng-00042n-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:02:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 54127 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 18:02:12 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 18:02:12 +0300 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:01:59 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <97341920.20041118180159@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: <005101c3d227$cf4b9360$6464a8c0@local> References: <000c01c3d214$1be558a0$5ae4fc3e@l8p8y6> <005101c3d227$cf4b9360$6464a8c0@local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.68.4.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of dx.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: LF's news! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF enthusiasts, look http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/11/18/1/?nc=1 Laurence is the initiator of article? Fine photos & text - TNX! 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46829 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 16:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 16:52:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUpnD-0005q1-0h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:10:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUpnC-0005ph-Ab for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:09:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUpVp-000565-Al for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:52:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUpU1-0001MT-3N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:50:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUpU0-0001MK-Oe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:50:08 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUpTu-0004R4-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:50:08 +0000 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CUpTp-0000Ms-01; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:49:57 +0100 Received: from (XjwdNsZBYeaFL3EEJY4Pt6An5ASqOuVXqOskcsuqAVbQT6jkDsAx0s@[217.251.196.7]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1CUpSy-15ku9o0; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:49:04 +0100 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <419C39C1.9090302@genesiswireless.us> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:49:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1CUpSy-15ku9o0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: XjwdNsZBYeaFL3EEJY4Pt6An5ASqOuVXqOskcsuqAVbQT6jkDsAx0s X-TOI-MSGID: ee50a5e3-e9d4-4842-a205-c2ccc383c858 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.81 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) WE0H Mike schrieb: > Hi Chris, > > Put up an Ashlock loop and forget about losses with trees or wires or > coils or houses or rain or snow or people or animals or anything else. > Just ask Laurence how well they work or maybe Mal would like to comment? > ;-) > > 73's, > > -- > Mike > WE0H > WD2XGI > Hi Mike, would you please delete the word "animals". my 70m long 14m high loop has been destroyed by one of the bulls scrubbing his forehead at one of the poles. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98709 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 17:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 17:10:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUq5L-0009qh-M8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:28:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUq5L-0009qd-H9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:28:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CUpnz-000O6K-7K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:10:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUpnH-0001RG-W0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:10:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUpnH-0001R7-KQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:10:03 +0000 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUpnD-0004VR-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:10:03 +0000 Received: from apache4-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.55]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CUpnC-00088J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:09:58 +0000 Received: from www by apache4-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CUpnC-0008Ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:09:58 +0000 Received: from 205.172.40.2 ([205.172.40.2]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:09:58 +0000 Message-ID: <1100797798.419cd76688017@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:09:58 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c4ccbc$218c5760$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> <004501c4ccbe$b4515c60$fad5fea9@smiley> <419B8E60.3090904@zen.co.uk> <1100720170.419ba82ad3568@webmail.ukonline.net> <001501c4cce4$7fbfc2e0$fad5fea9@smiley> In-Reply-To: <001501c4cce4$7fbfc2e0$fad5fea9@smiley> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 205.172.40.2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,CELL_PHONE_BOOST=1.584 Subject: Re: LF: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) So when I fill next doors phone with RF because of antenna/phone-line proximity who has to move ? Bryan Quoting Tracey Gardner : > Yes the space above all your property is a "free for all for > telecommunications purposes" that means front, back and side gardens! :-) > Flying Wire powers were granted to the Post Office early in the last century > and were carried forward when BT was privatised. > You either accept flying wires or you'd need to have lots more poles so that > wires wouldn't cross other peoples property. > > 73s Tracey > > > > Is the space above my front garden a 'free-for-all' then ?. > > > > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62310 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2004 18:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 2004 18:43:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 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multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080602020001090705080005" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080602020001090705080005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dmitry RA3YO schrieb: > > Dear LF'ers > > I am RA3YO. > QTH BRYANSK, KO73DG > My TX is 2 x IRFP460 = 100W > ANT 18 meters height > > TX Thursday, Friday 137703 18-21z qrss30 > > Any reports welcomed > > 73 > Dmitry > > > Hi Dimitry, see attachment please. 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(v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1458855612.20041118220547@t-online.de> To: Dmitry RA3YO In-Reply-To: <419BC2C8.8020703@online.debryansk.ru> References: <001e01c4c349$223341f0$05001aac@joan> <419BC2C8.8020703@online.debryansk.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Ew4H4MZU8exQwXfjyaa48nzx5mNGv14f2tDl8S+agmGDiOtQg92Wkc X-TOI-MSGID: 8da24c05-6d7d-4c70-a8d6-eae6c94fb4e5 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: TX test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000807050201040701030206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group 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autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Andy, LF Group, ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy To: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: RE: LF: Loading Coils > > I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was > > surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor. > > It must be a dying art ! > Its not just young electronics engineers who know nothing about inductors. I > work with a number of middle aged ones (well, 30 - 50 anyway) who also know > next to nothing about inductors, wire antennas, or even radio communications. Actually, there is quite a lot of interest in academic and engineering circles about inductor Q at the moment - but this is about inductors on ICs - little planar spirals of several nH that occupy quite a lot of space on most "system on a chip" ICs containing RF transceivers for "Bluetooth", "WiFi" and so on. A state-of-the-art Q for one of these is about 5 - 10 ... even with lousy Q like this, circuit designers find they can't live without them for amplifiers and oscillators and the like, despite spending half a century inventing circuits to try and get rid of inductors! > some graduates can't even apply ohms law to a practical > situation. As someone who occasionally has to help undergraduates do this, I'm afraid I have to agree. V = I x R they can usually cope with, but I = V/R is a bit more challenging, involving division as it does ... any mention of kilohms, microamps etc. and all bets are off! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95444 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 01:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 01:12:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUxIe-000F6s-II for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:10:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CUxIe-000F6p-C3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:10:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUxJC-000Mqg-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:11:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUxI5-0002IC-8b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:10:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUxI4-0002I3-Pm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:10:20 +0000 Received: from ms.genesis-technology.com ([63.171.43.8]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUxI0-0005w8-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:10:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAJ19OkA004128 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:09:24 -0600 Message-ID: <419D4887.1040005@genesiswireless.us> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:12:39 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4CCB4.3A7963B0.actalbot@southsurf.com> <002401c4cdc7$94613100$80457ad5@jgtdiynm> In-Reply-To: <002401c4cdc7$94613100$80457ad5@jgtdiynm> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I was working on a Cisco router yesterday and found a bad surface mount ferrite. I asked the other guy in my department if he could look on a parts board for a ferrite bead and he returned later to say there isn't any on the other boards. I said hmmm, let me look. Sure enough it wasn't labeled FB whatever but Z1 or something and I had to explain to him that in radio talk that Z means impedance and ferrite beads are a resistance to RF hence the Z labeling. I guess us amateur radio operators have an edge against the new people coming out of college thinking they know lots about electronics. Oh well...

Mike

James Moritz wrote:
Dear Andy, LF Group,

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy <>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Loading Coils

  
I share my office with some young electronics engineers and was
surprised that they know very little about RF inductors or Q factor.
It must be a dying art !
      



  
Its not just young electronics engineers who know nothing about inductors.
    
I
  
work with a number of middle aged ones (well, 30 - 50 anyway) who also
    
know
  
next to nothing about inductors, wire antennas, or even radio
    
communications.

Actually, there is quite a lot of interest in academic and engineering
circles about inductor Q at the moment - but this is about inductors on
ICs - little planar spirals of several nH that occupy quite a lot of space
on most "system on a chip" ICs containing RF transceivers for "Bluetooth",
"WiFi" and so on. A state-of-the-art Q for one of these is about 5 - 10 ...
even with lousy Q like this, circuit designers find they can't live without
them for amplifiers and oscillators and the like, despite spending half a
century inventing circuits to try and get rid of inductors!

  
some graduates can't even apply ohms law to a practical
situation.
    

As someone who occasionally has to help undergraduates do this, I'm afraid I
have to agree. V = I x R they can usually cope with, but I = V/R is a bit
more challenging, involving division as it does ... any mention of kilohms,
microamps etc. and all bets are off!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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I must confess that after all these years i do find that my calculator with all the built-in formulae (ohms law included) has made me lazy but maybe the skill is in knowing what to calculate and when
 
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 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29658 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 03:59:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 03:59:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV0D1-000IiI-Es for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:17:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV0D0-000IiD-Kl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:17:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CUzva-000AyM-GN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:59:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CUzvF-0002is-D6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:58:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CUzvF-0002ij-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:58:57 +0000 Received: from ms.genesis-technology.com ([63.171.43.8]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CUzvB-0006D8-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:58:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAJ3w0kA010001 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:58:00 -0600 Message-ID: <419D700D.8060609@genesiswireless.us> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:01:17 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1ad.2b3fe025.2ecec658@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1ad.2b3fe025.2ecec658@aol.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Yes, you have to know what buttons to push to get the right answer. The calculator just helps you to not make as many mistakes if any at all. Mike WE0H G4gvw wrote: >I must confess that after all these years i do find that my calculator with >all the built-in formulae (ohms law included) has made me lazy but maybe the >skill is in knowing what to calculate and when > >Pat g4gvw > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39678 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 08:16:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 08:16:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV3wN-0004KX-FQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:16:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV3wN-0004KR-70 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:16:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CV3ws-000OMt-FL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:16:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV3vs-0003EQ-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:15:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV3vr-0003EH-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:15:51 +0000 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV3vo-0006mE-HH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:15:51 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.49]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08206 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:11:46 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:13:28 -0000 Message-ID: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> From: Andy To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:13:26 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: UKNWN(UK) X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.80.0.234 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.516 Subject: RE: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able to caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to estimate a ball park answer or approximation. Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, times 6-and-a-bit ... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" And they don't teach that in schools - and never have done, to my knowledge! Andy G4JNT On Friday, November 19, 2004 4:01 AM, WE0H Mike [SMTP:we0h@genesiswireless.us] wrote: > Yes, you have to know what buttons to push to get the right answer. The > calculator just helps you to not make as many mistakes if any at all. > > Mike > WE0H > > G4gvw wrote: > > >I must confess that after all these years i do find that my calculator with > > > >all the built-in formulae (ohms law included) has made me lazy but maybe the > > > >skill is in knowing what to calculate and when > > > >Pat g4gvw > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75128 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 08:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 08:34:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV4VE-0007Ro-6B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:52:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV4VE-0007Rl-3b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:52:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CV4Dm-000Fcc-5R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:34:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV4DQ-0003J2-W4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:34:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV4DQ-0003It-Km for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:34:00 +0000 Received: from hulk.vianw.pt ([195.22.31.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV4DM-0006pA-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:34:00 +0000 Received: from SLAVE_13.esoterica.pt (adsl-norte02-1-121.vianw.pt [80.172.144.121]) by hulk.vianw.pt (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAJ8XnAa005178 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:33:53 GMT Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20041119083121.0133eec0@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: nx4ywv@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:33:44 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brian Rogerson In-Reply-To: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.22.31.43 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of esoterica.pt X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: RE: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit The slide rule generation all did it to place the decimal correctly? Brian CT1DRP At 08:13 19/11/2004, you wrote: >When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able to >caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to estimate a >ball >park answer or approximation. > >Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. > >Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, times > 6-and-a-bit >... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" > >And they don't teach that in schools - and never have done, to my knowledge! > >Andy G4JNT > > > >On Friday, November 19, 2004 4:01 AM, WE0H Mike >[SMTP:we0h@genesiswireless.us] >wrote: > > Yes, you have to know what buttons to push to get the right answer. The > > calculator just helps you to not make as many mistakes if any at all. > > > > Mike > > WE0H > > > > G4gvw wrote: > > > > >I must confess that after all these years i do find that my calculator > with > > > > > >all the built-in formulae (ohms law included) has made me lazy but > maybe the > > > > > >skill is in knowing what to calculate and when > > > > > >Pat g4gvw > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37237 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 09:03:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 09:03:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV4xo-000Co2-Am for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:21:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV4xo-000Cnz-8B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:21:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CV4gM-0006Hg-7y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:03:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV4fq-0003PH-Go for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:03:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV4fq-0003P8-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:03:22 +0000 Received: from [194.203.13.70] (helo=viruswall.mmsuk.co.uk) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV4fl-0006w8-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:03:22 +0000 Received: by mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:03:11 -0000 Message-ID: From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:03:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.203.13.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of astrium.eads.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Receiving loop aerial - improvements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello LF Group I use a simple home built D.C. receiver for the 136 kHz band and the selectivity is rather poor. I built G3LNP's excellent rx loop when it was first published in RadCom in 1999 and it works fine. I then made a remote rotator for it using a power op amp one end and a tape recorder motor with worm and wheel at the other - I can resolve to about one degree with practice The whole set up is quite good considering it's simplicity but I still get considerable breakthrough from the commercial signals. The 'LNP loop had a second winding to null the Radio 2 long wave signal (if I recall) and I have never found it necessary to use this winding. The other week I fed the output from the loop amplifier back through the second winding via a small trimmer (20 pF) to ground. This made the loop regenerative and in my opinion greatly sharpened the response and improved the sensitivity. I wonder why regenerative loops aren't used more often - or perhaps they are ! 73 Chris G3XIZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43716 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 09:06:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 09:06:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV50U-000DLM-7j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:24:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV50T-000DL9-Nn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:24:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CV4j1-0007xn-Lv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:06:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV4ir-0003Sx-Q8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:06:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV4ir-0003So-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:06:29 +0000 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV4im-0006wy-Vn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:06:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3FD1377FF for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:06:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9261C1377B2 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:06:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858FEAF0A4 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:06:18 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20041119095747.028384f8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:16:37 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20041119083121.0133eec0@pop.vianw.pt> References: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.58.240.45 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: RE: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit That's a problem with calculating without understand what is calculated, often they just put in a number of figures in a formula and just accept whatever comes out even if it is absurd : In the few month between graduating and being called for the military service I assisted in giving exercises to the first year student (18 years). During one of the tests they had to calculate the mass of an electron and one of the students did it all correct except that at the certain point he swapped a minus sign to plus and the result was at 10exp+28 gram instead of 10exp-28 gram. I told him that he had made a minor mistake but that he should have noticed it right away.He couldn't correct the mistake until I asked if it was possible that the mass of an electron would exceed the mass of the earth. 73, Rik ON7YD >I must confess that after all these years i do find that my calculator with >all the built-in formulae (ohms law included) has made me lazy but maybe the >skill is in knowing what to calculate and when > >Pat g4gvw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93577 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 13:37:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 13:37:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9Eo-000Nio-2U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:55:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9En-000Nil-W4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:55:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CV8xK-000C9v-7x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:37:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV8wY-0003pF-Bp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:36:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV8wY-0003p6-0o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:36:54 +0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV8wU-00080u-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:36:54 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.80.1b160f49 (3890) for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:36:37 -0500 (EST) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <80.1b160f49.2ecf50e4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:36:36 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.157.38 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
That's right Andy and it's a bit like knowing that the 9.1Vdc you are measuring on a 10volt test point is actually near enough for most purposes.
 
Pat g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96579 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9pq-0006mV-I6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:34:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9pq-0006mS-Ek for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:34:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CV9YM-000N7L-Ec for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9Y4-0003ur-Ht for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9Y4-0003ui-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:40 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV9Xz-00088u-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:40 +0000 Received: from pickmere.demon.co.uk ([158.152.117.143]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CV9Xw-000EH0-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:04 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. J. Powell" References: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> In-Reply-To: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.217.242.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pickmere.demon.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In message <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com>, Andy writes >When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able to >caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to >estimate a ball >park answer or approximation. > >Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. > >Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, times > 6-and-a-bit >... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" > >And they don't teach that in schools - and never have done, to my knowledge! They did in my school, as a check on the calculation. But I went to school during the war, and was taught by teachers who had retired before the war and came back to replace those called up. WW II, of course! Mike -- M.J.Powell From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19818 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 14:16:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9Xu-000E1J-9p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9Xu-000E1A-4x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CV9YM-000CEb-Sk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9Y6-0003v4-0q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9Y5-0003uv-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:41 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV9Xz-00088s-5z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:41 +0000 Received: from pickmere.demon.co.uk ([158.152.117.143]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CV9Xw-000EH1-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:15:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:03:51 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. J. Powell" References: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20041119083121.0133eec0@pop.vianw.pt> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20041119083121.0133eec0@pop.vianw.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.217.242.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pickmere.demon.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In message <5.2.0.9.2.20041119083121.0133eec0@pop.vianw.pt>, Brian Rogerson writes >The slide rule generation all did it to place the decimal correctly? >Brian CT1DRP Yes. Mike > > > > >At 08:13 19/11/2004, you wrote: >>When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able to >>caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to >>estimate a ball >>park answer or approximation. >> >>Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. >> >>Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, times >> 6-and-a-bit >>... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" >> >>And they don't teach that in schools - and never have done, to my knowledge! >> >>Andy G4JNT >> >> >> >>On Friday, November 19, 2004 4:01 AM, WE0H Mike >>[SMTP:we0h@genesiswireless.us] >>wrote: >> > Yes, you have to know what buttons to push to get the right answer. The >> > calculator just helps you to not make as many mistakes if any at all. >> > >> > Mike >> > WE0H >> > >> > G4gvw wrote: >> > >> > >I must confess that after all these years i do find that my >> > >calculator >> with >> > > >> > >all the built-in formulae (ohms law included) has made me lazy but >> maybe the >> > > >> > >skill is in knowing what to calculate and when >> > > >> > >Pat g4gvw >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > -- M.J.Powell From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8717 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 14:20:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 14:20:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9u7-0007ha-3P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:38:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9u6-0007hV-SB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:38:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CV9cc-0007qF-P9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:20:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9cN-00040T-Kh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:20:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9cN-00040K-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:20:07 +0000 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV9cJ-0008AN-Gg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:20:07 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CV9cI-0003Ng-00 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:20:02 +0000 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (bts-0323.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.67]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id iAJEJldF032367 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:20:00 GMT Message-ID: <200411191419510430.03BFEEA7@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> References: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:19:51 +0000 From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.247.47.231 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of zetnet.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re[2]: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On 19/11/2004 at 08:13 Andy wrote: >When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able >to >caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to estimate a >ball >park answer or approximation. > >Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. > >Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, >times > 6-and-a-bit >... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" > >And they don't teach that in schools - and never have done, to my >knowledge! > >Andy G4JNT I seem to recall a telecommunications professor (Ken Cattermole?) who expected his MSc students at least to have a feel for whether a result was of the right order of magnitude. John G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37147 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 14:22:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 14:22:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9dv-000FKx-N7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:21:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CV9dv-000FKo-Ee for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:21:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CV9eO-000H8x-8n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:22:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9eD-00044T-8Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:22:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CV9eC-00044K-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:22:00 +0000 Received: from [194.203.13.70] (helo=viruswall.mmsuk.co.uk) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CV9e9-0008B4-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:22:00 +0000 Received: by mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:21:51 -0000 Message-ID: From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (E-mail)" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:21:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.203.13.70 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of astrium.eads.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Telephone wires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello LF Group Very many thanks for all comments and advice about my telephone wire problems. After due deliberation I shall take the easy way out and cut a metre or two from the aerial and resite the mast away from the phone wires. I think keeping on good terms with the neighbours is priority number 1. 73 Chris G3XIZ This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2931 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 15:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 15:15:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVAT6-0002wD-Q5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:14:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVAT6-0002wA-Jj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:14:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVATZ-000HsX-1w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:15:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVASR-0004Cm-Im for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:13:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVASR-0004Cd-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:13:55 +0000 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVASK-0008Q8-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:13:55 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-115.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.115] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CVASJ-0002ug-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:13:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c4ce4b$08ef8340$73c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:36:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.68,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: calculations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able to > caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to estimate a ball > park answer or approximation. > > Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. > > Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, times > 6-and-a-bit > ... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" > > Andy G4JNT > I agree with Andy. Part of my degree course with the Open University was a unit called Modelling with Mathematics. At the time (mid 1970s) we were provided with circular slide rules, which were adequate for determining whether something would work or not. At the time electronic calculators had become available and many students complained about having to use the slide rule. The course team responded by saying that the slide rule gave a better understanding of the mathematics involved. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54428 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 16:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 16:18:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVBSM-000J5P-HX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVBSM-000J5K-CL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVBSo-0005sV-1b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:18:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVBSJ-0004LI-G5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVBSJ-0004L9-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:51 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVBSF-0000AN-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:51 +0000 Received: from cmsout02 (cmsout02 [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838724C877 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout02 via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.16w); Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:39 GMT X-USANET-From: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.157.88] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 203iksqRl0331M31; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:17:37 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.157.88 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <419E1CA6.2090802@usa.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:17:42 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> In-Reply-To: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> X-USANET-MsgId: XID203iksqRl0331X31 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Andy, what you say requires intelligence to be done. Intelligence nowadays is a scarce resource, and it is more and more made optional. Who needs it ? When the red lamp glows, just push the yellow button. That's all.... :-( 73 Alberto I2PHD ------------------------------------------- Andy wrote: >When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able to >caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to estimate a ball >park answer or approximation. > >Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. > >Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, times > 6-and-a-bit >... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" > >And they don't teach that in schools - and never have done, to my knowledge! > >Andy G4JNT > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39997 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 17:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 17:33:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVCcv-000CYT-Ep for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVCcv-000CYO-64 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVCdM-000PnU-M0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:33:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVCco-0004Vj-Cz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVCco-0004Va-0o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:46 +0000 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVCch-0000S6-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:45 +0000 Received: from apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.54]) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1CVCch-0005k6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:39 +0000 Received: from www by apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CVCcg-000F7L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:38 +0000 Received: from 205.172.40.2 ([205.172.40.2]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:38 +0000 Message-ID: <1100885558.419e2e36ebc6a@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:38 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C4CE0F.A626D2D0.actalbot@southsurf.com> <200411191419510430.03BFEEA7@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200411191419510430.03BFEEA7@mail.zetnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 205.172.40.2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.12 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: Re[2]: LF: Loading Coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) A specific part of engineering course at Cambridge in the 50"s was a clear grasp of the order of magnitude of things, it has stood me in good stead in all matters from ham radio thro' yacht navigation quite apart from earning a living.. bryan G3GVB Quoting John Rabson : > On 19/11/2004 at 08:13 Andy wrote: > > >When it comes to calculations, the most useful ability is not to be able > >to > >caculate it exactly, caculator or no, but to quickly be able to estimate a > >ball > >park answer or approximation. > > > >Who needs to know that 22uH at 137kHz has 18.93 ohms reactance. > > > >Its quicker to think " a bit more than 20 times a bit less than 0.14, > >times > > 6-and-a-bit > >... is 2.8 times 6-and-a-bit , so call it 18 ohms" > > > >And they don't teach that in schools - and never have done, to my > >knowledge! > > > >Andy G4JNT > I seem to recall a telecommunications professor (Ken Cattermole?) who > expected his MSc students at least to have a feel for whether a result was of > the right order of magnitude. > > John G3PAI > > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26085 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 19:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 19:46:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVEhY-000K8e-TR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:45:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVEhY-000K8W-GE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:45:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVEhz-0006PO-1W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:46:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVEhV-0004pu-Cn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:45:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVEhV-0004pl-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:45:45 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVEhQ-0000z3-Dn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:45:45 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-19-72.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.19.72]:4080 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVEgs-000Aol-HQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:45:06 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:45:37 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: LF: Test tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi LF, I will carry out a beacon test transmission tonight from about 2030z to about 2200z on a frequency of 135,924 Hz using QRS10. transmitter (G0MRF) 300 watts DC input, antenna spiral topload 14mtr vertical. Sending - G4WGT - followed by 6 wpm ID. Reports most welcome. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86595 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 20:51:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 20:51:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVFj7-000CBK-DD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVFj6-000CB2-So for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVFjX-000AXd-1W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVFj1-00050P-2X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVFj0-00050E-Nd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:22 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVFix-0001CT-4c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:22 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-19-72.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.19.72]:4218 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVFiP-0005B8-1m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:50:45 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:37 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.48 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: LF: Re : Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All, Had to go out, hence the late start, on now until about 2220z. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86662 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 21:38:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 21:38:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVGSA-000MlP-MN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:38:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVGSA-000MlE-GZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:38:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVGSa-000ImY-C6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:38:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVGSI-00058S-BN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:38:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVGSI-00058J-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:38:10 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVGSE-0001LW-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:38:09 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.83.41 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 21:38:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c4ce7f$e0c398e0$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:36:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.198 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 4.0 (++++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_DSBL=1.101,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Gary, LF Group, Nice signal here - audible over SXV in a narrow filter. Also, SM6BHZ is putting in a good signal at the top end of the band, transmitting QRSS10 and also faintly audible. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16542 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 21:50:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 21:50:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVGdy-000POf-IL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:50:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVGdx-000POX-Q7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:50:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVGeN-000ALP-IN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:50:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVGe4-0005DM-TL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVGe4-0005DD-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from mail.gbg.bostream.net ([81.26.226.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVGe1-0001Nf-9y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:50:20 +0000 Received: from GUS (as4-6-4.td.g.bonet.se [194.236.142.119]) by mail.gbg.bostream.net (8.12.11/8.12.10) with SMTP id iAJLo1ff010846 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c4ce81$c0756a80$0302a8c0@GUS> From: "gus" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4ce7f$e0c398e0$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:50:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 Disposition-Notification-To: "gus" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 81.26.226.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of algonet.se X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Jim and group, Tnx for report. I'm just testing a new build H-bridge working with qasi-wave. No 3 tone or multiple :-) ! 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: LF: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > Nice signal here - audible over SXV in a narrow filter. Also, SM6BHZ is > putting in a good signal at the top end of the band, transmitting QRSS10 and > also faintly audible. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87925 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 22:19:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 22:19:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHOA-000G6q-JW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:37:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHOA-000G6n-Eq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:37:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVH6d-000MUP-Jg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:19:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVH63-0005K0-BM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:19:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVH63-0005Jr-15 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:19:15 +0000 Received: from mx.debryansk.ru ([62.33.234.10] helo=tower.tts.debryansk.ru ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVH5z-0001UR-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:19:15 +0000 Received: from online.debryansk.ru (ppp12k.tts.debryansk.ru [62.33.236.18]) by tower.tts.debryansk.ru (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAJMJ8hf004840 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:19:09 +0300 Message-ID: <419E715D.4000504@online.debryansk.ru> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:19:09 +0300 From: Dmitry RA3YO User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01c4c349$223341f0$05001aac@joan> <419BC2C8.8020703@online.debryansk.ru> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.33.234.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of online.debryansk.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: TX test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Uwe,Hartmut, Jim ! Thanks for the pictures 73 Dmitry RA3YO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47834 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHVF-000BXR-Qs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHVE-000BX0-Cx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVHVd-000M3u-Oy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVHVI-0005QX-DU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVHVI-0005QO-2X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:20 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVHVE-0001aa-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:20 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.199.58 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 22:45:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c4ce89$6e23d520$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4ce7f$e0c398e0$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Jim yes I have a good signal from Gary as well, I think BHZ is on a short 30 sec dot, Gary is on 10sec. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: 19 November 2004 21:36 Subject: LF: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > Nice signal here - audible over SXV in a narrow filter. Also, SM6BHZ is > putting in a good signal at the top end of the band, transmitting QRSS10 and > also faintly audible. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47844 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHVE-000BWS-Dv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHVB-000BV0-LQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVHVa-000M1v-VC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVHVR-0005Qk-D9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVHVR-0005Qb-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:29 +0000 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVHVN-0001ai-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:45:29 +0000 Received: from CPHL040 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7838190246; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:45:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c4ce89$71b5d580$1200a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4ce7f$e0c398e0$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> <000b01c4ce81$c0756a80$0302a8c0@GUS> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:45:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, I recive SM6BHZ very good her at JO65BP QTH Roskilde 30 km west of Copenhagen Vy 73 Ingolf OZ7QC ----- Original Message ----- From: "gus" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:50 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ > Hello Jim and group, > > Tnx for report. > I'm just testing a new build H-bridge working with qasi-wave. > No 3 tone or multiple :-) ! > > 73 de Gus SM6BHZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:36 PM > Subject: LF: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ > > >> Dear Gary, LF Group, >> >> Nice signal here - audible over SXV in a narrow filter. Also, SM6BHZ is >> putting in a good signal at the top end of the band, transmitting QRSS10 > and >> also faintly audible. >> >> Cheers, Jim Moritz >> 73 de M0BMU >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76634 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 22:58:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 22:58:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHhI-000E4K-UB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:57:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVHhI-000E4B-PD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:57:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVHhh-000GHJ-WA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:58:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVHhQ-0005Xd-6d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:57:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVHhP-0005XU-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:57:51 +0000 Received: from smtp.telefonica.net ([213.4.129.135] helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVHhJ-0001dD-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:57:51 +0000 Received: from UserADSL ([83.37.199.32]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id I7G7S301.M7M for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:57:39 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c4ce8b$119a08e0$2101a8c0@UserADSL> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4ce7f$e0c398e0$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> <000f01c4ce89$6e23d520$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:56:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.4.129.135 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of telefonica.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all: Very good signals from G4WGT and SM6BHZ over here also, even copied on QRSS3. 73 de José, EA1PX, IN53ti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ > Hi Jim yes I have a good signal from Gary as well, I think BHZ is on a short > 30 sec dot, Gary is on 10sec. > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: 19 November 2004 21:36 > Subject: LF: Re : Test G4WGT & SM6BHZ > > > > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > > > Nice signal here - audible over SXV in a narrow filter. Also, SM6BHZ is > > putting in a good signal at the top end of the band, transmitting QRSS10 > and > > also faintly audible. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59908 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 01:13:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 01:13:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVJo0-000DoM-Kz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:12:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVJo0-000DoD-Di for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:12:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVJoO-0000Jn-Ny for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:13:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVJoH-0005vm-Gk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:13:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVJoH-0005vd-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:13:05 +0000 Received: from bay12-f31.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.31] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVJoB-0001vJ-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:13:05 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:12:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.116.236.190 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:11:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.236.190] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:11:33 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Nov 2004 01:12:01.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[F050A1E0:01C4CE9D] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.35.31 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.762,TW_PP=0.077 Subject: LF: xdw off on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit wd2xdw was back on transmitting at 0100z Saturday, hi lo hi lo its off to the iono I go, with an spare electon I made, with a heavy proton Im slayed hi lo hi lo hi lo (it must be getting seasonal) This was a two weekly check of the mechanical connection in the atu. The signal was intermittent from appx 2345 to 0100Z Sat - and connection one had got hot and has been remade (one side of the toroid secondary to loop feed thru connection). Just pretend your working with 50 A connections on car batteries with a bit more umpphf and youll get the idea of the low Z connections needed on the loop! You need a torque wrench AND a multimeter.... Laurence 137.7752 137,7755ish dot 90 1Kw around 35A AEI WD2XDW KL1X Cheers From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52672 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 10:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 10:15:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVSHG-0009Wx-DK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:15:34 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVSHG-0009Wo-8S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:15:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVSHa-0007QC-T5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:15:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVSGX-0007SN-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:14:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVSGW-0007SE-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:14:48 +0000 Received: from mailfe10.swipnet.se ([212.247.155.33] helo=mailfe10.swip.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVSGT-0002rH-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:14:48 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: bTrzzUXEQqgqU2nLcqPlBg== Received: from [80.170.107.168] ([80.170.107.168] verified) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with ESMTP id 20156966 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: <419F18F9.4000600@free.fr> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:14:17 +0100 From: F5MAF FREE User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a2) Gecko/20040714 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.155.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of free.fr X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,ADDR_FREE=1.804,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_HDR_XT2PID=1.111 Subject: LF: EA3FXF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=ADDR_FREE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Good signal from EA3FXF in QRS3 on 137.700 this morning screen shoot available. 73 Marc F5MAF JN03PP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83290 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 10:30:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 10:30:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVSVo-000CF0-01 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:29:57 +0100 Message-ID: <003301c4ceeb$e5d897b0$05001aac@joan> From: "Joan Morros" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:30:03 +0100 Organization: lleida.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Infomail-Id: 1100946597.07B5010A81107E.6597 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.235.39.36 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lleida.org X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Merci Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; 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Thanks Marc, F5MAF
 
73
Juan, EA3FXF
JN01HO
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43172 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 15:03:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 15:03:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVWlI-000DCO-Tk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:02:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVWlI-000DCG-GK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:02:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVWlb-0007oj-3n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:03:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVWl1-0008Io-Tg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:02:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVWl1-0008If-I7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:02:35 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVWky-0003eV-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:02:35 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.5.65 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 15:02:20 -0000 Message-ID: <003601c4cf11$c4cd5080$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:01:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: PA0A Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear LF Group,
 
Just now (1450) heard strong CW signals from PA0A - whoever that could be - on 136.3kHz.
 
Also today have worked G3XIZ, DF0WD, and G3YKB, all in CW. The QRN level is almost non-existent today, making for pleasant CW operation.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83160 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVXLe-000LaL-6s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:40:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVXLe-000LaI-49 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:40:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVXLw-000LUu-FJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:40:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVXL6-0008R8-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:39:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVXL6-0008Qz-C7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:39:52 +0000 Received: from cas-mta4-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.32] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVXL3-0003lj-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:39:52 +0000 Received: from w8k3f0.casema.nl (53556B6D.cable.casema.nl [83.85.107.109]) by cas-mta4.mgmt.casema.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0I7H009GXI66WH@cas-mta4.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:39:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:36:35 +0100 From: Dick Rollema In-reply-to: <003601c4cf11$c4cd5080$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20041120163234.03077080@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 References: <003601c4cf11$c4cd5080$29537ad5@jgtdiynm> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.80.1.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: PA0A Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Jim, M0BMU wrote:

 
Just now (1450) heard strong CW signals from PA0A - whoever that could be - on 136.3kHz.
 
That used to be  PA0AWN, using his new call sign and probably testing his ex-Decca transmitter.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34774 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 17:06:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 17:06:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVYy7-000HpZ-1K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:24:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVYy6-000HpW-Uz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:24:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVYgT-000Kpu-8Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVYfx-0000IO-P4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:05:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVYfx-0000IF-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:05:29 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47] helo=mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVYfu-00040v-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:05:29 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-9-167.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.9.167]:3264 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVYfo-0005Zy-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:05:20 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:05:31 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: LF: Re : Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All at LF, Just to say thanks to Alan, Jim & José for reports & captures. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82952 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 19:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 19:03:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVao0-000GfE-Rm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:21:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVao0-000Gf9-KE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:21:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVaWM-00094M-6r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:03:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVaVc-0000cl-3d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:02:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVaVb-0000cc-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:02:55 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVaVY-0004Nf-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:02:55 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.153.63.170 with poptime) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 19:02:46 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:02:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTPM4f4lVl7tab1Riat7g9/H0Kp5A== X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_MSGID_EMPTY=1.666 Message-Id: Subject: LF: Sunday activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear all. In the current LF column I mention the need for a bit of activity on 136 to give prospective LF-ers something to listen for. I suggest Sunday morning as the most likely time to hear something but judging by the low activity in recent weeks, listeners may be disappointed.. If anyone has a spare hour or so on Sunday morning please come on CW around 136.5 and we'll try and make as much noise as possible! We might even re-experience the wonder of several QSOs taking place within a couple of hundred Hz bandwidth? See you there. Dave G3YXM. P.S. Might it be worth starting a net or "round robin" at a particular time as the ZLs do? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8286 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 00:34:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 00:34:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVfyH-0005E1-Bm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:52:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVfyG-0005Dr-W2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:52:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVfga-0006tg-GP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:34:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVfg1-00012O-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:34:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVfg1-00012F-J0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:34:01 +0000 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVffx-0005Bq-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:34:01 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.a9.67016a02 (3858) for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:33:48 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:33:48 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.204 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML=0.411,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: LF: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF group,

for some time there has been a  blue line on 136955.90 Hz, in the middle of my SpecLab screen (http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm, now updating every 10 min). It is probably the CFH carrier mentioned by G3NYK and monitored by CT1DRP.

This is what I had always wished to have for W-E propagation monitoring - a narrow line that can be received with millihertz resolution, and (hopefully) clean and weak enough not to clutter up the band in America. The line was visible in Nuernberg during most of the daylight hours, and peaked to ~3 µV/m around 21:15 this evening - looks like conditions may to be improving. If somebody could make a measurement of CFH within ground wave range, we could estimate their radiated power and make guesses on ionospheric path attenuation.

Best wishes
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32355 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 00:44:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVfpq-0008Wt-RK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:44:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVfpq-0008Wq-Ok for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:44:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVfq5-000NGc-9w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:44:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVfpm-00016a-Tw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:44:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVfpm-00016R-Ft for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:44:06 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVfpi-0005EA-9L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:44:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 15095 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 00:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2004 00:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c4cf63$5d36c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:45:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
It is definitely CFH, and is quite loud here at 700 km. I have been watching the line on your screen as well! Unfortunately, I'm not set up presently to make an accurate field strength reading.
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 00:33
Subject: LF: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ?

Dear LF group,

for some time there has been a  blue line on 136955.90 Hz, in the middle of my SpecLab screen (http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm, now updating every 10 min). It is probably the CFH carrier mentioned by G3NYK and monitored by CT1DRP.

This is what I had always wished to have for W-E propagation monitoring - a narrow line that can be received with millihertz resolution, and (hopefully) clean and weak enough not to clutter up the band in America. The line was visible in Nuernberg during most of the daylight hours, and peaked to ~3 µV/m around 21:15 this evening - looks like conditions may to be improving. If somebody could make a measurement of CFH within ground wave range, we could estimate their radiated power and make guesses on ionospheric path attenuation.

Best wishes
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46210 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 08:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 08:49:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVnPT-000CIV-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:49:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVnPT-000CIS-2U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:49:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVnPe-0001vj-5u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:49:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVnP5-0002xo-49 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:49:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVnP4-0002xf-Lk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:49:02 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVnOw-0007ws-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:49:02 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([154.5.20.191]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20041121084847.LSDD26440.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 01:48:47 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c4cfa6$d2ddf9a0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01c4cf63$5d36c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:48:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.220 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
Have a look at CFH's twin CKN here on the west coast of Canada.  133.1KHz & 76.2KHz.
 
73 Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:45 PM
Subject: LF: Re: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ?

Markus
 
It is definitely CFH, and is quite loud here at 700 km. I have been watching the line on your screen as well! Unfortunately, I'm not set up presently to make an accurate field strength reading.
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 00:33
Subject: LF: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ?

Dear LF group,

for some time there has been a  blue line on 136955.90 Hz, in the middle of my SpecLab screen (http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm, now updating every 10 min). It is probably the CFH carrier mentioned by G3NYK and monitored by CT1DRP.

This is what I had always wished to have for W-E propagation monitoring - a narrow line that can be received with millihertz resolution, and (hopefully) clean and weak enough not to clutter up the band in America. The line was visible in Nuernberg during most of the daylight hours, and peaked to ~3 µV/m around 21:15 this evening - looks like conditions may to be improving. If somebody could make a measurement of CFH within ground wave range, we could estimate their radiated power and make guesses on ionospheric path attenuation.

Best wishes
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44163 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 10:38:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 10:38:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVp77-0008AU-U5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:38:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVp77-0008AR-RB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:38:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVp7I-000EYI-Dk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:38:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVp6u-000360-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:38:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVp6u-00035r-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:38:24 +0000 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVp6r-000873-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:38:24 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.106.66 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 10:38:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c4cfb6$282f4300$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:35:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: re CFH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Markus, we know from my previous mole that the Hughes transmitter at CFH is capable of 20kW ERP. The problem is that the nightime level is well down here, on "normal" conditions. This is not unusual. When there is daylight reception it usually indicates that we are still in the "recovery period" after a geomag storm. Even Brian who has almost a complete water path only saw CFH peeping above the noise in daytime normally a couple of years ago. One thought is that the station is actually transmitting a "sub-carrier" of one of its multi-channel. So I have no idea what power is actually going into that it maybe that it is not the full 25kW (aerial claimed 80% efficient). hence a check from someone close would be useful. John may be just too far away as he is well within the 1st hop skywave zone. Unfortunately my "mole" is long gone and may in fact be involved with CKN on the west coast, but I have had no emails since he moved away. My belief from previous discussions was the TX power goes into whatever mod is applied, and the station is not normally run below its rated output. My own measurements recently have showed a signal that is some 10 to 15dB below what I would expect at night.....but I need to check the calibration of my aerial as I have suffered some damage and lost a bit of top-load, from the look of the tuning. This does not really have too much effect on the "effective height" so I am hoping the measurements are OK. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia(at)btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20654 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 12:03:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 12:03:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVqjE-000IL8-VW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:22:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVqjE-000IL5-SZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:22:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVqRU-000BSn-6e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:03:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVqQx-0003DH-CY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:03:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVqQw-0003D8-Vv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:03:10 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVqQt-0008Ib-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:03:10 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.133.174 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 12:03:01 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c4cfc1$e20a9a80$ae857ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01c4cf63$5d36c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002701c4cfa6$d2ddf9a0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:01:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 4.1 (++++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Scott, LF Group,
 
I have tried looking for these sigs - the problem with 133.1kHz is that it falls within the sidebands of the "Datatrack" beacons operating near that frequency (anybody have any more info on these, like where they are, etc?). 76.2kHz is more promising, but obviously less useful as an indicator for 136k.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ?

Markus
 
Have a look at CFH's twin CKN here on the west coast of Canada.  133.1KHz & 76.2KHz.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52901 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 15:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 15:42:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVtqf-000Dg8-OL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:41:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVtqf-000Dg5-Lo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:41:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVtqo-0009cO-6P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:42:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVtpv-0003Qx-ML for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:41:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVtpv-0003Qo-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:41:11 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVtps-0000M8-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:41:11 +0000 Received: from dsl-80-43-14-83.access.uk.tiscali.com ([80.43.14.83]:3071 helo=taylormade) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CVtpl-000DIJ-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:41:01 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8,SARE_RECV_IP_080040=0.794,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN81=0.853 Subject: LF: Re : Test. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi All at LF, My transmission on 135,924 Hz came to a sudden end last night when the power supply failed, put it on the bench today & found the mains transformer u/s, I am about to fit another but not sure if I will be running it tonight. Regards Gary - G4WGT Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.1 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10837 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 16:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 16:38:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVuiu-000P8j-CR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:38:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVuiu-000P8g-87 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:38:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVuj2-0008cY-Bq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:38:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVugd-0003XN-5X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:35:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVuga-0003XE-SV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:35:36 +0000 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVugK-0000XG-IG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:35:36 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.20.388e2f7b (2168) for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <20.388e2f7b.2ed21c24@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:28:20 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.136 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML=0.411,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: LF: Sunday activity report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Greetings all,

Looks like Dave's request for a bit more CW activity has helped, at least this sunday (Nov. 21st):
Heard (and mostly worked) G3YXM, M0BMU, G3XDV, G3AQC, SM6BHZ, F6BWO, DM2BHG, DK6NI, DJ5DI, and DL4OAN. Strong local QRM since noon made listening a bit difficult, but the stations heard in the morning were excellent copy (sorry to have missed G3XDV during G3YXM's short coffee break - hope to catch you some other time Mike ).

There was one other caller whom in the late afternoon I couldn't read due to local noise - the 144 MHz EME signals these days were easier to copy than some LF signals (greetings to RN6BN ! ).

So thanks all for the activity, see you later,

Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84261 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 20:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 20:12:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVyLu-0004jp-64 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:30:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVy46-0000tP-I2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:12:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVy1o-0003m6-UE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:09:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVy1o-0003lx-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:09:44 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVy1l-00016n-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:09:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 11181 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 20:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2004 20:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01c4d006$32655760$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:10:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: CFH on 136.9559 kHz ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Markus, Curiosity took over, and I attempted a mid-afternoon measurement of the CFH carrier's field strength. I get 235 uV/M at 697 kM. A quick check with a great circle plot shows about 70% of that path to be over sea water. Ground conductivity for the rest of the path is awful (blame the last ice age), no better than 1/2500 of sea water. If anyone can factor in the earth's curvature and calculate an unattenuated field from this, be my guest. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53836 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVyq9-000Apa-PM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:01:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVyYL-000I2V-Ul for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:43:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVyXP-0003rd-En for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:42:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVyXP-0003rU-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:42:23 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVyXM-0001By-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:42:23 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.153.63.170 with poptime) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 20:42:13 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:42:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTQCpe+opRFvbLfQgmbMn2OpMtTnQ== X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_MSGID_EMPTY=1.666 Message-Id: Subject: LF: Re: Sunday activity report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Yes it was good fun. Thanks are due also to Chris G3XIZ who was plugging away all afternoon too (whilst I was decorating the bathroom... With paint!) he eventually worked G3YKB? Who I couldn't see any trace of, so there's another to look out for, unless it was a crossband? See you all, and maybe a few more? Next week. 73 Dave G3YXM. ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DL4YHF@aol.com Sent: 21 November 2004 16:28 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Sunday activity report Greetings all, Looks like Dave's request for a bit more CW activity has helped, at least this sunday (Nov. 21st): Heard (and mostly worked) G3YXM, M0BMU, G3XDV, G3AQC, SM6BHZ, F6BWO, DM2BHG, DK6NI, DJ5DI, and DL4OAN. Strong local QRM since noon made listening a bit difficult, but the stations heard in the morning were excellent copy (sorry to have missed G3XDV during G3YXM's short coffee break - hope to catch you some other time Mike ). There was one other caller whom in the late afternoon I couldn't read due to local noise - the 144 MHz EME signals these days were easier to copy than some LF signals (greetings to RN6BN ! ). So thanks all for the activity, see you later, Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95350 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 21:03:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 21:03:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVyra-000Oqt-AS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:03:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVyra-000Oqq-7s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:03:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CVyrg-000Lg5-Gx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:03:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVyqr-0003wb-D4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:02:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVyqp-0003wS-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:02:27 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVyqb-0001G7-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:02:27 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.86.225 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c4d00d$58b00760$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:59:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Sunday activity report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) No Dave, Brian G3YKB is an ex PO Research buddy of mine, who decided to go off to more interesting things in ITV News.....he got me hooked on RTTY in the late 60s. He is on LF but from a very small garden with a loop and I think lurks on the refelector. I saw a trace from him here that I think might have been copiable except for a handfull of TV PSU lines and beats about the same strength. I only realised it was him when Chris signed. Another successful loop aerial.....but he is about 20dB down on Laurence's power !! I dont know what the orientation is as I could never even detect Dave S on his loop. I think Dave Ss loop was side on to me (N<>S plane) I think he is putting about 90W into it with about 11A loop current. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: 21 November 2004 20:42 Subject: LF: Re: Sunday activity report > > Yes it was good fun. > > Thanks are due also to Chris G3XIZ who was plugging away all afternoon too > (whilst I was decorating the bathroom... With paint!) he eventually worked > G3YKB? Who I couldn't see any trace of, so there's another to look out for, > unless it was a crossband? > See you all, and maybe a few more? Next week. > > 73 > Dave G3YXM. > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DL4YHF@aol.com > Sent: 21 November 2004 16:28 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Sunday activity report > > > Greetings all, > > Looks like Dave's request for a bit more CW activity has helped, at > least this sunday (Nov. 21st): > Heard (and mostly worked) G3YXM, M0BMU, G3XDV, G3AQC, SM6BHZ, F6BWO, > DM2BHG, DK6NI, DJ5DI, and DL4OAN. Strong local QRM since noon made listening > a bit difficult, but the stations heard in the morning were excellent copy > (sorry to have missed G3XDV during G3YXM's short coffee break - hope to > catch you some other time Mike ). > > There was one other caller whom in the late afternoon I couldn't > read due to local noise - the 144 MHz EME signals these days were easier to > copy than some LF signals (greetings to RN6BN ! ). > > So thanks all for the activity, see you later, > > Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD . > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44903 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 22:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 22:10:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVzuh-000Cky-5S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:10:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CVzuh-000Ckv-1z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:10:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CVzum-000ADk-S5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:10:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CVztH-00044U-Uz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:09:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CVztG-00044L-TL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:09:02 +0000 Received: from [217.12.12.140] (helo=smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CVzt9-0001SD-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:09:02 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.135.126.8 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 22:08:17 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c4d016$6fc8b920$087e8751@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:07:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.140 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Sunday activity report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Dave, LF Group, I worked Brian G3YKB yesterday - his QTH is Watford, about 15miles from here, and he said at the time he was running 2A into his loop (didn't get the size) aiming north-east, so perhaps not suprising I could only give him an S4 report, and he was not detectable at G3YXM. I heard him testing again today, and seemed to be stronger, so he has obviously got the current up. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Pick To: Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: LF: Re: Sunday activity report > > Yes it was good fun. > > Thanks are due also to Chris G3XIZ who was plugging away all afternoon too > (whilst I was decorating the bathroom... With paint!) he eventually worked > G3YKB? Who I couldn't see any trace of, so there's another to look out for, > unless it was a crossband? > See you all, and maybe a few more? Next week. > > 73 > Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24490 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 22:45:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CW0kc-0007La-63 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:04:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CW0kc-0007LX-3N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:04:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CW0Sn-000CKf-Cl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:45:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CW0Rt-0004AA-Su for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:44:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CW0Rt-0004A1-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:44:49 +0000 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CW0Rp-0001Yl-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:44:49 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.90.514dcae7 (4254) for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <90.514dcae7.2ed2744d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:44:29 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.3 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML=0.411,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: LF: Estimating CFH's radiated power Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear John and group,

ok, I'll try...

One kilowatt EMRP across 700 km of lossless flat earth would give
  109.6 - 20 log (697) dBµV/m = 52.6 dBµV/m.
The CCIR 1963 graph for seawater (4 S/m) says 45 dBµV/m at 150kHz, so we have lost ~8dB, mostly to the spherical diffraction. As a first approximation, we could take that and then simply add the extra ground loss for 200 km. Extracting this from the 1mS/m curve gives another 8dB, but I'd use 6dB as a realistic guess for 1.6mS/m conductivity. Thus you'd get 39 dBµV/m from a kW, give or take a couple of dB.

Your measurement of 235 µV/m = 47.4 dBµV/m would thus indicate an EMRP of
  8.4 dBkW = 7 kW,
more or less in line with Alan's suggestion that it could be somewhat less than their 20kW maximum rating. Through ~ 4500 km of free space, CFH could theoretically produce
  109.6 + 8.4 - 73 dBµV/m = 45 dBµV/m
in Europe. At 20:00 today the plot beneath my grabber showed around 4 dBµV/m, which means 41dB path loss for reflections and D-layer absorption.

An amateur at comparable distance using full 1W ERP (ie. 0.55W EMRP) would be 41 dB weaker than 7kW CFH. To copy him here in a bandwidth of 10.5mHz (QRSS 60), the SNR of CFH in my plot would have to climb from currently ~40dB to at least ~50dB.

73 and best wishes

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 21.11.2004 21:12:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt w1tag@w1tag.com:

Markus,

Curiosity took over, and I attempted a mid-afternoon measurement of the CFH
carrier's field strength. I get 235 uV/M at 697 kM. A quick check with a
great circle plot shows about 70% of that path to be over sea water. Ground
conductivity for the rest of the path is awful (blame the last ice age), no
better than 1/2500 of sea water.

If anyone can factor in the earth's curvature and calculate an unattenuated
field from this, be my guest.

John Andrews


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Sorry no transmission today due to Ant. damage. Will advise when problem fixed.

Laurie.



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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81379 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2004 23:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 2004 23:59:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CW1cI-0008hV-Kb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:59:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CW1cI-0008hS-IB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:59:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CW1cN-000K00-Ix for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:59:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CW1bU-0004Ma-PC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:58:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CW1bU-0004MR-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:58:48 +0000 Received: from ms.genesis-technology.com ([63.171.43.8]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CW1bQ-0001m6-NM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:58:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iALNwYHf011163 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:58:34 -0600 Message-ID: <41A12C25.7060602@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:00:37 -0600 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c4d016$6fc8b920$087e8751@jgtdiynm> In-Reply-To: <001501c4d016$6fc8b920$087e8751@jgtdiynm> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544 Subject: Re: LF: Sunday activity report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jim,

2a of loop current sounds like about 2 or 3 watts power if he is running something like an Ashlock loop made out of about 1-2mm wire. But 15 miles away should have pegged your S meter. I can take 700 milliwatts and go out to 162 miles and hear it easily by the ear in CW using a Ashlock loop. Can you describe his loop and loop tuner box?

73's,
-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI



James Moritz wrote:
Dear Dave, LF Group,

I worked Brian G3YKB yesterday - his QTH is Watford, about 15miles from
here, and he said at the time he was running 2A into his loop (didn't get
the size) aiming north-east, so perhaps not suprising I could only give him
an S4 report, and he was not detectable at G3YXM. I heard him testing again
today, and seemed to be stronger, so he has obviously got the current up.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Pick <>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Sunday activity report


  
Yes it was good fun.

Thanks are due also to Chris G3XIZ who was plugging away all afternoon too
(whilst I was decorating the bathroom... With paint!) he eventually worked
G3YKB? Who I couldn't see any trace of, so there's another to look out
    
for,
  
unless it was a crossband?
See you all, and maybe a few more? Next week.

73
Dave G3YXM.
    





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Hi Markus the output power of CFH is supposed to be 25kW into an 80%
efficient aerial system (my 20kW erp estimate) Reg, G4FGQs program
GROUNDWAV3 gives a spreading loss of 62.5dB when I add your estimate of 8dB
for the 200km of poor ground I get an estimate of 290uV/m at John's site ??
This is a lot closer that I would have expected.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Dear John and group,

ok, I'll try...

One kilowatt EMRP across 700 km of lossless flat earth would give
  109.6 - 20 log (697) dBµV/m = 52.6 dBµV/m.




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Watch them nulls!  - I cant hear xdw on CW 3 miles away in the null of the 
array!...- Actually I can still detect Im there only because Eric XFX  (who 
is stronger here Bartlesville town than me) produces a very notable 5Hz or 
so beat, but in the main lobe I could  hear XDW's  signal in the car 400 
miles away over flat earth on the mag mounted L400 Eprobe.


I need to get my calculator out but at 3 miles the "no CW detectable signal" 
null is about 150 metres wide - very deep consider the physical offsets of 
the 2 parallel loops used here.

This weekend I was in Arkansas around 180 miles from  East of XDW and 
definite "fast" fades, periods  were seen of around 30 secs (presumably 
between the ground and sky waves) this was around 9pm CST - Ive not seen 
this before and probably another manifestation of the recovery phase after 
the storm? This distance seems too close?

Cheers
Laurence KL1X/5 wd2xdw 137,7752/137,7756 dfcw 90

>From: "Alan Melia" 
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: 
>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Sunday activity report
>Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 20:59:52 -0000
>
>No Dave, Brian G3YKB is an ex PO Research buddy of mine, who decided to go
>off to
>more interesting things in ITV News.....he got me hooked on RTTY in the 
>late
>60s. He is on LF but from a very small garden with a loop and I think lurks
>on the refelector. I saw a trace from him here that I think might have been
>copiable except for a handfull of TV PSU lines and beats about the same
>strength. I only realised it was him when Chris signed. Another successful
>loop aerial.....but he is about 20dB down on Laurence's power !! I dont 
>know
>what the orientation is as I could never even detect Dave S on his loop. I
>think Dave Ss loop was side on to me (N<>S plane) I think he is putting
>about 90W into it with about 11A loop current.
>
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Pick" 
>To: 
>Sent: 21 November 2004 20:42
>Subject: LF: Re: Sunday activity report
>
>
> >
> > Yes it was good fun.
> >
> > Thanks are due also to Chris G3XIZ who was plugging away all afternoon 
>too
> > (whilst I was decorating the bathroom... With paint!) he eventually 
>worked
> > G3YKB? Who I couldn't see any trace of, so there's another to look out
>for,
> > unless it was a crossband?
> > See you all, and maybe a few more? Next week.
> >
> > 73
> > Dave G3YXM.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of DL4YHF@aol.com
> > Sent: 21 November 2004 16:28
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Subject: LF: Sunday activity report
> >
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > Looks like Dave's request for a bit more CW activity has helped, at
> > least this sunday (Nov. 21st):
> > Heard (and mostly worked) G3YXM, M0BMU, G3XDV, G3AQC, SM6BHZ, F6BWO,
> > DM2BHG, DK6NI, DJ5DI, and DL4OAN. Strong local QRM since noon made
>listening
> > a bit difficult, but the stations heard in the morning were excellent 
>copy
> > (sorry to have missed G3XDV during G3YXM's short coffee break - hope to
> > catch you some other time Mike ).
> >
> > There was one other caller whom in the late afternoon I couldn't
> > read due to local noise - the 144 MHz EME signals these days were easier
>to
> > copy than some LF signals (greetings to RN6BN ! ).
> >
> > So thanks all for the activity, see you later,
> >
> > Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD .
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>




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> This weekend I was in Arkansas around 180 miles from  East of XDW and
> definite "fast" fades, periods  were seen of around 30 secs
> (presumably between the ground and sky waves) this was around 9pm CST
> - Ive not seen this before and probably another manifestation of the
> recovery phase after the storm? This distance seems too close?
> Laurence KL1X/5 wd2xdw 

Several years ago, when a handful of UK stations were 
using loop antennas, I noted that their signals exhibited 
fading at shorter ranges than those using Marconis. At the 
time, I put it down to the loop producing more RF at a 
higher angle, but have no evidence to back that up.

Mike, G3XDV
http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf/



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To All from PA0SE


The Amarican magazine CQ of October 2004 features a review of a
new book, written by C. Stewart Gillmore, W1FK and titled Fred Terman
at Stanford.

 

Terman became world famous by his Radio Engineers Handbook. But he
also did important work  during 

WW II developing Radar Countermeasures. His team finally comprised 800
man,  more than 100 of them being hams!  They are listed in the
CQ review


The book looks most interesting but is not cheap: 70 dollars plus p &
p at internet bookshop Amazon.


I will be happy to send you the review in CQ by direct email
(three pages).


73, Dick, PA0SE




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Dick Rollema schrieb:
> To All from PA0SE
>
> The Amarican magazine CQ of October 2004 features a review of a new book, 
> written by C. Stewart Gillmore, W1FK and titled Fred Terman at Stanford.
>
> Terman became world famous by his Radio Engineers Handbook. But he also did 
> important work  during
> WW II developing Radar Countermeasures. His team finally comprised 800 
> man,  more than 100 of them being hams!  They are listed in the CQ review
>
> The book looks most interesting but is not cheap: 70 dollars plus p & p at 
> internet bookshop Amazon.
>
> I will be happy to send you the review in CQ by direct email (three pages).
>
> 73, Dick, PA0SE
>
Hi Dick,
please send me the review.
thanks in advnce
Uwe/dj8wx 



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In message <6.1.0.6.2.20041122162445.03d669c0@mail.casema.nl>, Dick 
Rollema  writes
>To All from PA0SE
>
>The Amarican magazine CQ of October 2004 features a review of a new
>book, written by C. Stewart Gillmore, W1FK and titled Fred Terman at
>Stanford.
> 
>Terman became world famous by his Radio Engineers Handbook. But he
>also did important work  during
>WW II developing Radar Countermeasures. His team finally comprised
>800 man,  more than 100 of them being hams!  They are listed in the CQ
>review
>
>The book looks most interesting but is not cheap: 70 dollars plus p & p at
>internet bookshop Amazon.
>
>I will be happy to send you the review in CQ by direct email (three pages).
>
>73, Dick, PA0SE

A copy to me please, Dick.

Mike
-- 
M.J.Powell



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Hi Dick ,


My guess is that "Terman's" is the absolute monument anyone could wish for. 
I have lost count of the engineers and knowledgable enthusiasts who have a copy 
and who have recommended a copy! I love mine and being less than religious in 
other ways it serves as a "bible" and I hope others will forgive me if that 
sounds sacriligious!


 


Pat g4gvw


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Last night I noted a hugh signal just like CKN's on 
~123.9KHz.  It appears like the signal seen in the summer on 133.1, frozen 
in the same manner.


 


Reports of this would be of interest!


 


73 Scott


 


Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio


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Scott

warbling fsk here in Okie on that freq Scott - and thats from the car....not 
too strong at the moment but it sounds the same as CKN...lots of 
thundercracks tonight.

Laurence

>From: "Scott Tilley" 
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: ,
>Subject: LF: CKN on new freq...
>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:42:12 -0800
>
>Last night I noted a hugh signal just like CKN's on ~123.9KHz.  It appears 
>like the signal seen in the summer on 133.1, frozen in the same manner.
>
>Reports of this would be of interest!
>
>73 Scott
>
>Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at:
>www.scottboxx.com/radio




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Dear Pat,


I could not agree more!


73, Dick, PA0SE


At 23:13 22-11-04, you wrote:


Hi
Dick ,

My guess is that "Terman's" is the absolute monument anyone
could wish for. I have lost count of the engineers and knowledgable
enthusiasts who have a copy and who have recommended a copy! I love mine
and being less than religious in other ways it serves as a
"bible" and I hope others will forgive me if that sounds
sacriligious!

 

Pat g4gvw



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WE0H writes: Can you describe his loop and loop tuner box?

Hi All -

Now that I've sorted out my access to the Reflector I'll try 
to describe what I'm using.

The loop is relatively small !! It's 9.5m wide by 3.5m high 
and 1.5m off the ground. Its made from satellite downlead 
coax (braid and foil type) and has a dc resistance of about 
0.3 ohms. Initial measurements (using a step down toroid 
transformer) indicated an rf impedance of less than one ohm. 

Taking a close look at the map shows that the loop 
horizontals are lined up 25 degrees off north so I guess the 
nulls are on bearings of  115 & 295. QTH is Watford.
  
Transmissions on Sunday used the transformer and a series 34 
nF which gave 10 amps loop current. I've since changed the 
transformer for an L-match (8 micro Henries and 27 nF) to 
match the 50 ohm feeder to the one ohm load. I now have 13 
amps from the 90 watts coming out of the feeder.

BTW - the 90 watts is from a LINEAR amplifier so can run 
PSK31. So far, only LF PSK contacts have been with Jim 
(M0BMU) and John (G0NVZ). Is anyone else able to run 136 kHz 
PSK ?

Brian   




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To All from PA0SE


If you are still looking for a copy of Frederic Termans 1943 classic
Radio Engineers Handbook: internet used books shop Alibris still
has seven  copies. at prices of 16.18 - 145.95 dollars.

QSY to
http://www.alibris.com/.


73, Dick, PA0SE


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Hi Brian,

> Anyone else capable of PSK ? 
Well at least Markus, DF6NM, and myself (working at the club station DF0WD) can - using linear power amplifiers.

We did a few tests with PSK (M0BMU also involved) and found PSK08 is a good alternative when signals are REALLY weak.

So looking forward for the next weekend, though I am not very convinced to be able to pick up your signal due tolocal QRM. Best bet would be saturday or sunday morning.

Best regards,
Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD 

(running 80 watts into a 200 m long, low-hanging steel wire)


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When I was compiling the book LF Today, I could not find a 
reliable published linear amplifier design. Several people 
have mentioned recently that they are using linear amps. 
What circuits do they use? How do they ensure they are 
linear? What efficiency do they get?

Mike, G3XDV
http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf



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G0MRF Linear Amp. Complete construction article on his site.

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI




Mike Dennison wrote:

>When I was compiling the book LF Today, I could not find a 
>reliable published linear amplifier design. Several people 
>have mentioned recently that they are using linear amps. 
>What circuits do they use? How do they ensure they are 
>linear? What efficiency do they get?
>
>Mike, G3XDV
>http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf
>
>
>
>  
>



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Dear group,

I  have the 1947 edition of Terman's Radio Engineering (in "as new"
condition!). It is the third edition / fourth impression, copyright 1932,
1937 and 1947.

Does anyone know how many editions were printed?

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Hi Johan my"Radio Engineering" is a 3rd Edition 3rd impression dated 1954.
(Black cover) This is a British issue of the 3rd Edition dated 1947 and
published in London in 1951. It also says it was printed in the Netherlands
....really an international effort.
( Spotted and bought for me from a local 2nd hand book shop by the
"evangelist" G4GVW !!)
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Dear group,

I  have the 1947 edition of Terman's Radio Engineering (in "as new"
condition!). It is the third edition / fourth impression, copyright 1932,
1937 and 1947.

Does anyone know how many editions were printed?

73
Johan SM6LKM





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> G0MRF Linear Amp. Complete construction article on his site.
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XGI

Yes, I was aware of that one, though ironically Dave's web 
site was down when I was writing the book!

Is this what everyone uses?

Mike, G3XDV
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I used to use a variation of an early version of it on 73kHz.   Wasn't very 
efficient on 137kHz while keeping good linearity for PSK31 and similar, so I 
built the 700W Switch Mode instead of trying to improve it

Andy  G4JNT



On Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:51 PM, Mike Dennison 
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> > G0MRF Linear Amp. Complete construction article on his site.
> > Mike
> > WE0H
> > WD2XGI
>
> Yes, I was aware of that one, though ironically Dave's web
> site was down when I was writing the book!
>
> Is this what everyone uses?
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ===========
>



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Has anyone got anywhere with developing soundcard based MSK ?   Surely that is 
the next obvious move on LF where switch mode PAs rule and a linear PA isn't a 
realistic option for high powers, knocking PSK31 on the head.

Just as a novel test (at very low poer of course :-) I tried tuning up the T 
antenna at 500kHz.  A variometer purchased at a junk sale a few years ago - an 
old NDB thing I guess, that tunes over 100 to 400nH, worked instantly, and I 
had about 30 - 40 ohms antenna resistance at resonance.

Any moves on that band ???

Andy  G4JNT







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At 01:17 PM 11/23/2004 -0000, you wrote:
>Has anyone got anywhere with developing soundcard based MSK ?   Surely
that is 
>the next obvious move on LF where switch mode PAs rule and a linear PA
isn't a 
>realistic option for high powers, knocking PSK31 on the head.

I gave up on it.

Most of all, I found it very difficult to code efficiently.
It's quite sensitive to small frequency errors, and I recall
running some tests which satisfied me the MSK error rate was
actually *worse* than the BPSK we were using.  The emphasis
here is trying to copy things I couldn't copy before, not
on conserving bandwidth.  Yes, MSK is a great bandwidth-saver,
but the 160-190 Khz North American unlicensed band is not used
too much and we don't yet have an amateur allocation.  Maybe
if we ever get 137 Khz I'll take it up again.  It may be easier
to implement with GPS-disciplined timing and frequency control.
If I can make some time I'll look into it from that perspective.

Bill



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Bill, et al:

> I gave up on it.

But if you do go back to it, I'll be happy to participate. There are
probably enough of us who have the necessary hardware to do some real world
tests.

And back to Mike Dennison's query: I am still using the Hafler audio amp,
and running 250-300 watts at 137 kHz. I should probably do some 2-tone tests
to evaluate the linearity. I can testify to the low efficiency, however, as
the shack is comfortably warm.

John Andrews



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In a message dated 11/23/2004 9:02:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, w1tag@w1tag.com writes:


I can testify to the low efficiency, however, as
the shack is comfortably warm.


At this time of year, that's a great advantage of a linear amplifier.


 


Just curious whether anyone has considered an envelope elimination and recovery design.  One keeps the switching mode RF amp and adds a switching mode "modulator" in place of the power supply, plus circuitry to extract the envelope of the waveform and the RF drive separately.  It could become quite elaborate if one wanted to achieve commercial specs, but I doubt that it would need to be quite that refined for satisfactory PSK performance.


 


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I have a very (can I use very in reference to A?) Class A  Hafler P3000 amp, 
plagurised from John TAG design,  and permission to run 1.8Khz envelope J3E 
on 137Khz (now that will upset someone!) I can attest to it being a foot 
warmer too but nice device..and great sounding audio too...

LAurence KL1X

>From: "Mike Dennison" 
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: Re: LF: Linear amplifiers
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:50:49 -0000
>
> > G0MRF Linear Amp. Complete construction article on his site.
> > Mike
> > WE0H
> > WD2XGI
>
>Yes, I was aware of that one, though ironically Dave's web
>site was down when I was writing the book!
>
>Is this what everyone uses?
>
>Mike, G3XDV
>===========
>
>
>




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Dear Mike, LF Group,

The amplifier does not have to be very linear for PSK modes - just so long
as you have some sort of ramp up and down to zero amplitude, rather than an
abrupt on-off transition, the spectrum of the signal will be reasonably
narrow. When I used a linear, I found the best bet was to bias the MOSFETs
so they were slightly cut-off, and then over-drive them a bit - more or less
class C operation. This improved the efficiency somewhat, but it was still
only about 60% at best.

For PSK generation at the moment, I amplitude-modulate the HT supply to the
Decca class D PA, whilst separately phase modulating the drive carrier. This
is much the same as the "envelope elimination and restoration" techniques
which now seem to be standard for big AM broadcast transmitters. I keep
meaning to write this up, but it is the usual problem of having too many
other things to do!

The advantages of PSK31 are that there is readily available software, the
bandwidth is narrow enough, and people are familiar with it - but it isn't
particularly well suited to LF operation; it works fine when the band is
very quiet, but QRN impulses corrupt characters each time they occur, so the
band does not have to be very noisy to render the mode unusable except for
stations very close together. I think there is a case for a similar mode to
PSK31, but incorporating error correction, so that a moderate level of QRN
corrupting a small proportion of bits does not cause a big problem. VE2IQ's
"Coherent" mode did this quite well, but requires MS-DOS and dedicated
interface hardware, making it less attractive.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Mike Dennison
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Subject: LF: Linear amplifiers

When I was compiling the book LF Today, I could not find a 
reliable published linear amplifier design. Several people 
have mentioned recently that they are using linear amps. 
What circuits do they use? How do they ensure they are 
linear? What efficiency do they get?

Mike, G3XDV
http://www.apersonalguide.co.uk/lf





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Johan Bodin schrieb:
> Dear group,
>
> I  have the 1947 edition of Terman's Radio Engineering (in "as new"
> condition!). It is the third edition / fourth impression, copyright 1932,
> 1937 and 1947.
>
> Does anyone know how many editions were printed?
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
>
Hi Johan,

I have the First Edition with a copyright from 1943 printed in 1943 in the US.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx


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At 03:14 PM 11/23/2004 -0000, Jim Moritz wrote:
[..]
>The advantages of PSK31 are that there is readily available software, the
>bandwidth is narrow enough, and people are familiar with it - but it isn't
>particularly well suited to LF operation; it works fine when the band is
>very quiet, but QRN impulses corrupt characters each time they occur, so the
>band does not have to be very noisy to render the mode unusable except for
>stations very close together. I think there is a case for a similar mode to
>PSK31, but incorporating error correction, so that a moderate level of QRN
>corrupting a small proportion of bits does not cause a big problem. VE2IQ's
>"Coherent" mode did this quite well, but requires MS-DOS and dedicated
>interface hardware, making it less attractive.

If you invoke the Coherent program with a "SB" command line parameter it
will use a sound card instead of the Sigma-Delta interface.  It has been up
on my website since 2000; don't know if very many people tried it because
of the DOS thing.  I do know some folks have tried in vain to get it working
with a sound card.  A few minutes ago I brought up an old copy of COHERENT on
a new laptop computer and it worked first try with the built-in sound card.
You need a "BLASTER=" statement in the DOS environment to tell people which
base address, interrupt, DMA, etc to use for the sound card.  That was
standard
stuff in the old DOS days if anyone still remembers it, hi!  This software
works with *my* sound cards, namely those based on Soundblaster 16 or anything
built around an ESS688 or ESS1688 chip.  Your mileage may (and probably will)
vary if you try other sound cards.

Bill



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Greetings all,



I tried writing an MSK decoder, re-using parts of the PSK31/PSK08 decoder, but like Bill didn't get it working properly. Furthermore, at that time I was happy with the performance of PSK08 (and even PSK02) as implemented in Spectrum Lab - most of all because the maximum output power of my "almost-linear" PA was limited to 80 Watts so efficiency was not an issue (but this may change soon...).



To anyone trying an implementation of an MSK decoder: Forget the simple approaches using Squaring- and Costas Loops - it takes more than this. Producing an MSK signal, on the other hand, is simple if you treat it as frequency shift keying with a modulation index of 0.5 .  The bandwidth efficiency (if we had an optimum decoder) would be 1.9 (bit/sec per Hertz), almost the same as for QPSK. But, as so often, real-world problems seem to have prevented MSK being used as narrow-band amateur radio mode.



Best regards,

Wolf DL4YHF.



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I was playing with the idea (just the idea...) of trying COFDM on LF.
I have postponed any further work on this to next year for lack of time, 
but I am wondering
if anybody has words of wisdom on this subject. It would be unpleasant 
to spend on it a
few weeks only to find then a show-stopper that somebody else had 
already found in the past...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Hi Alberto,

One possible problem is that the ratio of peak to average
power is very high.  For example, if you had 64 carriers of
one watt each, the average power would be 64 watts, but you'd
need (in theory) a 4 kW amplifier to handle the case when
all carriers were in phase.  In practice, such a system could
use a PA with 400 W peak capability; the occasional clipping
would reduce the effective S/N only slightly.  An amateur
system might be ok with a 250 W amp.  But if that same rig
could be run at 250 W with slow PSK or FSK, it would negate
any advantage of COFDM.  However, if your output power was 
limited thermally, or by a one watt ERP regulation, then a
multicarrier system would offer some interesting advantages.
It's also possible that some clever precoding could reduce
the peak power required.

A cool stunt might be transmitting e.g. LPC-10 coded speech
with COFDM.  I suspect that using the same average power,
you'd get several times farther than with SSB.

73,

Stewart KK7KA


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I was playing with the idea (just the idea...) of trying COFDM on LF.
I have postponed any further work on this to next year for lack of time, 
but I am wondering
if anybody has words of wisdom on this subject. It would be unpleasant 
to spend on it a
few weeks only to find then a show-stopper that somebody else had 
already found in the past...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Hi all.


 


I had a call from Bob G8RW a day or so ago.


 


He reports that the local noise source that caused him to leave the band 2 
years ago has disappeared just as quickly as it arrived.


 


He has been listening to the band and would like to ask if anyone who has 
upgraded their transmitter would be willing to sell him a TX that is now surplus 
to requirements.


 


He has a 36V DC PSU but could find others if needed.


 


Bob can be reached at  020 8462 1592


 


73


 


David  G0MRF


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Hi David I hope someone can help, please pass our regards to Bob and say it
will be nice to hear his distinctive CW on the band again.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com

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> Hi all.
>
> I had a call from Bob G8RW a day or so ago.
>
> He reports that the local noise source that caused him to leave the band 2
> years ago has disappeared just as quickly as it arrived.
>
> He has been listening to the band and would like to ask if anyone who has
> upgraded their transmitter would be willing to sell him a TX that is now
surplus
>  to requirements.
>
> He has a 36V DC PSU but could find others if needed.
>
> Bob can be reached at  020 8462 1592
>
> 73
>
> David  G0MRF
>



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Hi Stewart,

  a very cool remark, thanks.... that's a thing that surely must be 
taken into consideration...
let's declare open a contest for the first who will find a precoding scheme
so that there is a guarantee that only a given maximum number of 
carriers are ON
at a given instant. That number could be a parameter.

First prize :  a free copy of the forthcoming THESEUS program (which 
will be released
not earlier than mid 2005, bar now unforeseen delays...)         :-)

73  Alberto  I2PHD
--------------------------------------------------------------

Stewart Nelson wrote:

>Hi Alberto,
>
>One possible problem is that the ratio of peak to average
>power is very high.  
>[...]
>  
>



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Hi Alberto,



Will one of the big "pro's" of COFDM -its immunity to multipath and "reflections"- really so important on LF with a very low symbol rate ? - well this is just an initial thought, I don't really know much about COFDM except that it is used in DVB-T (which we don't have in this underdeveloped part of DL yet, hi).



About the peak-to-average ratio (~ crest factor): An analogy to DF6NM's chirped hell (or "fourier SSTV") transmissions came to my mind. To reduce the crest factor, Markus uses a squared phase relationship for all "tones" (alias frequency bins in the IFFT) in a transmitted pixel strip. This is a really large improvement, compared to the classic "concurrent" multi-tone hell (more info available). But I have no clue if a similar principle can be applied to COFDM to reduce the creast factor there (wouldn't be "cOfdm" any longer?) .



Best greetings,



Wolf DL4YHF.

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Active now just LF of 500 khz are the following 
beacons.


FHA - 472 khz, RZ - 475 khz, ILM - 487 khz, TBV - 
493.3 khz, PA - 494 khz.


 


Date 24/11/04 - 1825 utc


 


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WD2XDW Oklahoma changed at 1840z wed to:-

id cw 6 wpm, full power carrier 60 secs,  then cw id and loc - no carrier 
for 70 secs then repeats

Laurence KL1X/5
137,7755




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Locations of the NDBs heard by Mal


 


FHA - 473 khz - Friedrichshafen - D


RZ   - 474 khz - Rzeszow/Jasionka - 
POL


ILM  - 488 khz - Illesheim - D


TBV - 492 khz - Moravska Trebova - 
CZE 


PA   - 495 khz - Pancevo - 
YUG


 


Tracey


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>What circuits do they use? How do they ensure they are 
>linear? What efficiency do they get?>

My amp uses a darlington pair/PNP-NPN complementary 
arrangement - much like some early audio amplifiers. 

Only linearity checks I've made are by staring at the 
waveforms on a scope and asking for IMD on air checks. 
The amp is basically a bunch of emitter followers so I hope 
it is inherently linear.

The efficiency is pathetic. I would have expected to get at 
least 60% from a class AB circuit but it is below 40 !!

Brian G3YKB


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Hi Hartmut, LF Group.

Thansk for info Hartmut,
very weak noise in my QTH.  
Now transmit qrss10 CQ.

Dmitry
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I've just completed a major overhaul of the antenna system making it larger
and much higher. I've also just added a description of my LF setup to my
website:

http://www.imagenisp.com/jsm/2200mstn.html

I'm pretty much ready to go, for the winter. Unfortunately I am still
rockbound and the next project will be a DDS (unless someone has one that
needs a nice home).

A 30 minute test on the weekend with eastern Oregon (Steve Ratzlaff) showed
very good signals with a little less than 60W into the new antenna. The
antenna is right beside the ocean, facing easterly towards North America
over 15 miles of salt water.

If anyone can set up to listen or 'grab', I could fire up tonight, after my
160m sked with VY1JA (who has also applied for a 2200m experimental
licence...the Europeans will like this possibility!) as condx
look like they may be improving over the past while. I can start at 0500Z
and would prefer to try either QRSS3 or QRSS10.  I can squeeze about 460W
out
of the new transmitter but anything more is pushing it. Hopefully the wind
will stay down tonight so the overcurrent will not trip if the antenna blows
around too much.

Please let me know if you can give a look.

73 / Steve / VE7SL  FREQ: 137.5728


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Steve,

I will monitor your frequency tonight.

Mike ZL4OL


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Steve,

I just had a look at your pictures. Congratulations on a beautifully built
station. I look forward to a QSO this season.

Mike ZL4OL



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smoqus@plusnet.pl wrote:

> But this must reduce the possible throughput - you throw away some bit combinations 
> (in a way similar to Compact Disc 8 to 14 bits coding).

Undoubtedly Marek, any Error Correcting Code requires the sacrifice of 
some bandwidth to
do its magic. And while this is not strictly an ECC, there is 
notwithstanding a price to pay...

DL4YHF@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Alberto,
>
> Will one of the big "pro's" of COFDM -its immunity to multipath and 
> "reflections"- really so important on LF with a very low symbol rate ? 
> - well this is just an initial thought, I don't really know much about 
> COFDM except that it is used in DVB-T (which we don't have in this 
> underdeveloped part of DL yet, hi).

Hi Wolf,
  what I had in mind was to use the multiple, orthogonal signalling 
frequencies not for their multipath rejection characteristics,
but to implement a sort of redundant signalling scheme, where you could 
have one, two, three or more slots ruined by QRM
(Loran comes to mind) and nevertheless have a correct copy, thanks to 
the error correcting capabilities made possible by the
redundancy in the coding scheme. Probably this is not orthodox COFDM, 
but I don't have a better name for it.
But these are just the kind of thoughts you have when you relax and 
close your eyes. All the gory details have to be worked out yet.

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Wolf,

> I tried writing an MSK decoder

Did you try the Massey-Hodgart MSK decoder?

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Dear Alberto, LF Group,

With OFDM being a fashionable form of modulation for all sorts of things
(DAB, DTTV, DRM, next generation wireless widgets of all shapes and sizes),
there is a huge amount of interest in reducing the crest factor so that PAs
can be made more efficient, or less linear - if you do an internet search
with words like ofdm, cofdm, peak, mean, power, crest, factor, reed, muller,
pmepr you will find huge amounts of info on this topic - probably more than
you wanted! In a cursory search, I did not find any useful,
easy-to-understand articles, but that does not mean there aren't any. A few
of the professional journal papers I skimmed through were:
 
http://www.kmutt.ac.th/itc2002/CD/pdf/19_07_45/FA2_OD/2.pdf
http://www.rennes.supelec.fr/ren/rd/scee/ftp/articles/melecon2000.pdf
http://www.rennes.supelec.fr/ren/rd/scee/ftp/articles/cscc2000.pdf

These are ally highly abstract, and confirmed that I know almost nothing
about the subject, but do appear to say that peak-to-mean power ratio can be
reduced to 3dB, or less, by clever coding. Most systems using OFDM seem to
limit the crest factor in one way or another, so I think it is likely
suitable techniques already exist out there, somewhere... how applicable
they are to LF is another matter, of course.

An intriguing idea is the "single frequency network" capability of COFDM,
where the same signal can be transmitted by multiple transmitters, and
received without suffering greatly from selective fading type problems that
would happen with most signals. This reminds me of the talk there was a
while back of using multiple LF transmitters for "beam forming", and
multiple receivers for "diversity". 

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Johan,



> Did you try the Massey-Hodgart MSK decoder?





To be honest I didn't know about this novel decoder principle, but a quick look lead to the conclusion that the printer at the office will get something to do on friday !



Thanks for the pointer,



73,  Wolf  DL4YHF.

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My comment certainly generated some replies!

COFDM seems to be one of the 'flavours of the month'.  It does have a lot to 
offer where multipath is a problem, viz. digital broadcasting over HF through 
to UHF and mobile comms.   But it does suffer the peak to mean ratio as 
discussed by several contributors.    When G4GUO was developing hte waveform 
for our digital voice experiements a few years ago, he found a paper that (as 
far as I can visualise) developed a way of applying a set of start up phases to 
each of the tones such that the peak to mean ratio was a minimum - but it was 
still not very power efficient.

For LF, multipath is not a problem but power amplifier efficiency is.   The 
professionals realised this years ago, hence the old GBR 16kHz transmission 
used originally FSK, then converted to MSK.  In fact it was the nices, most 
'perfect' MSK signal I have ever received off air, it was a beauty to watch it 
on a vector gram display.   Any mode that maintains an absolutely constant 
amplitude and varies only the frequency or phase of the transmission will do.

As MSK is such a problem to demodulate properly, perhaps we ought to steer 
clear of that, particularly as weak signal working is so important.

A few years ago I remember making a few experiments using a scheme that has 
rarely been used - gradual PSK - where instead of ramping from 0 to 180 degrees 
directly the phase moved progressively over, say 10% of the bit period.   Seem 
to remember trying it wirh the VE2IQ Coherent software, but not sure if this 
was ever over teh air, or just across a bench.

Perhaps it is worth revisiting, with a soundcard implementation of PSK at, say 
1 B/s and a gradual ramp.   And why not include a GPS locked timing option 
too..

Andy  G4JNT



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Dear Andy, LF Group,

I did try some experiments to do this in 2001 - the variable-phase modulator
circuit is still available from G3YXM's web pages:

http://www.wireless.org.uk/moritz.htm

It isn't particularly elegant, but it does do the job - I expect a soundcard
DSP implementation wouldn't be all that hard. I can't remember if I tried it
on the air or not - but certainly I did try some local experiments using a
low level signal summed with off-air LF noise, using the VE2IQ "coherent"
modulator/demodulator software. I seem to remember at the time that there
was little difference in "readability" between the ramped-phase BPSK signal,
and the standard envelope-shaped BPSK waveform. The spectrum was not quite
as clean as the envelope-shaped BPSK, but would have been perfectly
adequate. Perhaps it is time to revisit this technique.

The availability of DSP has meant modulation systems can be almost
arbitrarily complicated with little hardware penalty, but I agree with Andy
that other practical considerations play a great part too. One sees some
elaborate modulation scheme advanced at length, after which the inventor
triumphantly announces it offers an improvement of 0.35dB over cruder
techniques, and you start to wonder if it wouldn't just be easier to make
the antenna 100mm higher! I think the ability to use a non-linear TX with
constant amplitude signal is worth a 3 - 6dB advantage in terms of reduced
power dissipation and/or circuit complexity, e.g. a 100W linear PA probably
uses the same amount of components, heatsinks and DC power as a class D PA
of 300W.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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....
A few years ago I remember making a few experiments using a scheme that has 
rarely been used - gradual PSK - where instead of ramping from 0 to 180
degrees 
directly the phase moved progressively over, say 10% of the bit period.
Seem 
to remember trying it wirh the VE2IQ Coherent software, but not sure if this

was ever over teh air, or just across a bench.

Perhaps it is worth revisiting, with a soundcard implementation of PSK at,
say 
1 B/s and a gradual ramp.   And why not include a GPS locked timing option 
too..

Andy  G4JNT




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DL4YHF writes:

>Well at least Markus, DF6NM, and myself (working at the club 
station DF0WD) can [Tx PSK]- using linear power amplifiers.
>
>So looking forward for the next weekend, though I am not 
>very convinced to be able to pick up your signal due tolocal 
>QRM. Best bet would be saturday or sunday morning.

I hope to be on air with PSK31 this Sunday (28th 1100-1200 
UTC) but I fear that much of Germany will be in one of my 
loop nulls.

Brian G3YKB


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Hello Brian and group,



I will try PSK31 , PSK08 and PSK02 on Sunday morning (1000-1200 UT, maybe earlier), frequency 137500 Hz.

For comparisons, I will transmit "normal" PSK31 with the usual amplitude shaping, but also for a few minutes using slow phase transitions and constant amplitude (resulting in a somehow broader spectrum). 



To transmit, I use SpecLab's digimode terminal, and varying "pulse shaping" percentage from 10 to 30 percent. The PSK-de(!)modulator in SL is not optimized for the phase transitions yet, so the pulse shaping time must be less than 30 percent of the symbol time. The PSK31 transmissions can be decoded with any of the widespread PSK31 programs, to receive PSK08 and PSK02 you can use Spectrum Lab which has some "presets" in the digimode terminal's menu for PSK31, PSK08, 02, and 01 now. It can be downloaded from http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html.



Besides this, try some more CW activity during the weekend, though WX conditions don't look promising here.



Best regards,

Wolf DL4YHF.









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Hi John and the group:

I've just been looking at this MSK thing again and it doesn't look
too bad.  Yes, I know, you've heard that before, hi!  I think I can
put it into AFRICAM with some effort, as an extra transmission mode,
then we'd still be able to use ET1, etc for error correction.

There are lots of potential problems for appliance operators who like to
just run the software and see perfect copy rolling across the screen right
away.  For one thing, the decoder is even more sensitive to mistuning than
BPSK.  And the problem gets worse at very slow data rates where the
frequency shift becomes progressively less.  For example, at MS1000 the
total frequency shift is only 0.50 Hz (+ or - 0.25 Hz away from the nominal
800 Hz audio carrier freq) - and any mistuning seriously eats into our
noise margins.  That sort of tuning accuracy is awful hard for most folks
to achieve.  Which probably means we will have to run it at a pretty good
clip, say at least MS100, which in turn means we lose our ability to pull
the weak signals out with nice long integration times like we can do with
BPSK, especially GPS-sync'd BPSK.  At this point I can't see any straight-
forward way to search over a wide frequency range for an MSK signal, find
it and lock onto it.  Maybe with a lot of thought that will come, but
initially we'll have to rely on absolute tuning.  It's clear this isn't
going to be a weak signal mode (the lower the SNR, the worse MSK looks
compared to BPSK), but at least the signal is confined to a narrow band,
so we might be able to run it in the "watering hole" :-)

When/if I'm ever ready (?) I'd love to do some on-air testing.  What I need
to know is this:  if I put it into AFRICAM the same way we do BPSK, who out
there has the capability to generate an MSK signal using just the RTS output
from AFRICAM?  What this entails is transmitting one of two possible
frequencies (based on the value of RTS) - with continuous phase at the
transitions.  The frequencies ideally should be exactly (not approximately)
5.0 Hz apart, e.g. for MS100, but in all likelihood a millihz or so isn't
going to make or break us, so a DDS-type synthesizer should be able to
handle it if we are sure the signal stays continuous when the frequency
changes.

An alternative would be to generate the MSK audio output with a sound card
(or S-D DAC board), and square it up to drive a transmitter, but that can
get rather messy.  I did it in the old COHERENT program but dropped the
scheme in AFRICAM because there was just too much variation in sound card
sampling rates.  I believe there is still one of my old programs out there
that can generate MSK that way, but unless you know the sampling rate of
your sound card very precisely it's likely to be more problem-causing than
problem-solving.  And there aren't a whole lot of SD-DAC boards out there,
and going that route means a SSB-type LF transmitter.

So for running some tests this winter, who out there has GPS hooked up to
AFRICAM with a DDS synthesizer that can switch between two frequencies
based on the RTS value, and might be willing to spend some time testing
this?

Thanks,
Bill VE2IQ

At 09:12 AM 11/23/2004 -0500, John Andrews wrote:
>Bill, et al:
>
>> I gave up on it.
>
>But if you do go back to it, I'll be happy to participate. There are
>probably enough of us who have the necessary hardware to do some real world
>tests.


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Bill and others,

> .......  For example, at MS1000 the
> total frequency shift is only 0.50 Hz (+ or - 0.25 Hz away from the 
> nominal
> 800 Hz audio carrier freq) - and any mistuning seriously eats into our
> noise margins.  That sort of tuning accuracy is awful hard for most folks
> to achieve.

I think we need to draw a line in the sand as to what minimum stability is 
needed.  Readily available gear with a 0.5 ppm TCXO master oscillator means 
the stability at the LF bands of interest is 0.1 Hz.  I've been using a 
TS-850 for some years with a good 20 MHz TCXO (not the Kenwood SO-2 but a 
Rakon one with voltage fine tuning) and over a restricted temperature range 
like you get with a thoroughly warmed up rig I find the practical result is 
a lot better than 0.5 ppm.  I've got external calibration sources better 
than 0.01 ppm and I've found that there is no need to tweak the tuning 
voltage on the '850 TCXO as it is very good from month to month.  I'm also 
aware from reports from Mike ZL4OL that the Icom IC-R75 receiver fitted with 
the high stability oscillator can do better than 0.1 Hz from month to month 
once calibrated.

So I suggest that for "serious DX" it should be assumed that each end could 
maintain frequency stability within 0.1 Hz.  I'm not unhappy about others 
with less stable gear having a crack at slow rate digital modes, and 
adjusting things accordingly, but it should not impede software development 
that relies on tighter frequency stability.

73, Bob ZL2CA 



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Hi Bill and Alberto, I feel I should wear a silly smile and pair of glasses
(is it still true you can avoid getting thumped if you are wearing glasses
?) before saying this.....

About 16 years ago just as DSP was begining to make itself felt in the
professional modem field I was involved in an abortive project for a
multitone HF modem. It was to be centred on an ASIC design, and was
squelched by the DSP developments. I saw a bit of DSP coding done by a
research student that produced software decoder, but it also had a vital bit
of coding for commercial HF use... it had "AFC". Now I dont know whether
building in some sort of two speed AFC is possible, but I am sure it would
be an advantage for audible (or visible) signals.

The problems occurs for the operator at LF where we want to set up a
receiving facility "blind". I know the difficulty of this as I tried to
receive Larry for about 4 months on AFRICAM and an S-D unit, without
success. I am sure this was because although my receiver was stable enough I
was not able at that time to be totally sure of the frequency the computer
thought it was tuned to. (I did not have the fine resolution synthesiser I
have now) When Larry finally gave up with BPSK and went QRSS he was received
almost the first night.....but I was "listening" 0.8 Hz away and rejected
the broken line as a weak Loran line, knowing Larry had GPS locked
standards.....he was off-frequency as he later admitted.   The other way of
doing this might be to accept another local signal input...maybe the other
of the stereo channels.... which would be an accurately defined frequency,
rather like the ARGO calibration routine. It would then be subject to all
the soundcard errors, but not the receiver mistuning. The only way I could
think of around this would be to couple an accurate weak signal into the
aerial and have the decoder lock to it for calibration.

Because of the difficulties with fading one would need a "search" facility
for "optimising the tuning" of the signal over a known small range and then
when copy was received, a "hold" facility for locking to it even when it was
faded into the noise, and was not being decoded. The software "overhead" for
this might be too high.....I have no way of knowing what degree of mistuning
could readily be corrected. However if we work to 0.1Hz as someone suggested
would it be reasonable to have at least a similar degree of mistuning
tolerance??

I dont yet have a GPS locked standard, but as Crown-Castle and the NPL dont
seem to be interested in the reported instabilities on 198kHz Droitwich, I
will soon have to get moving on that project.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia(at)btinternet.com





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My question about linear amplifiers sparked some useful 
dialogue about eliminating the need for linears.

If a new data mode is to be developed, it seems to me that 
two modes are needed. One for 'local' working in a CW 
bandwidth for those who do not wish to learn CW. The 
other in a much narrower bandwidth - the limiting factor 
being Loran lines - for intercontinental working. If these 
could be variants of the same mode, so much the better.

Mike, G3XDV
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk



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Hi Alan, Jim, Andy, Bill, Wolf, etc. etc.

  just a few wild thougths on the subject, which haven't been thoroughly 
analyzed, but
this is what the collective mind of this forum is meant for, isn't it 
?   :-)
Firstly, I like the idea of Andy, of a GSPSK (Gentle Sloping PSK), which 
should
substantially reduce the amplitude variations of the signal, when 
subject to phase
modulation. Any volunteer for a mathematical analysis (or a simulation) 
of the crest
factor as a function of the "gentleness" of the phase transitions ?

Then it comes the issue of frequency stability and precison, which are 
two different items.
While stability is quite important, let's see if there is a way to relax 
the demand for
absolute precision.  I was thinking of a scheme more or less like the 
following, for the
137 kHz scenario, for demodulating a BPSK transmission.
Suppose your hardware has a fixed LO at 135 kHz, and a couple of 
quadrature mixers.
Then the entire 137 kHz band is converted into the range 700 - 2800 Hz, 
whose I & Q
components are fed to the ubiquitous sound card.
A PC program can now mix down, with a tunable NCO, that range to zero IF 
and apply
a complex FIR lowpass with a BW of just a few Hz. What do you have now ?
A rotating vector (ideally it should not rotate, if the zero IF is 
actually zero),
whose phase is instantaneously defined by  atan(Q/I). If you do a long
term averaging of the speed of variation of this phase, you can then 
more or less easily
measure if the instantaneous phase is leading or lagging this averaged 
value.
This is just the recovered 0 or 1 bit of  the phase modulation applied 
to your carrier.
As long as you stay inside the BW of the above FIR filter, the absolute 
value of the variation
of the phase with time (i.e. the frequency) is of no importance, as you 
are interested only
in the deviations from the mean of this value. So you have a tuning 
tolerance of a few Hz.

Of course there are a lot of details to be worked out carefully, like 
the adaptivness of the
computation of the mean value, and a precoding scheme that would more or 
less guarantee
that no DC component is present in the modulation signal, to avoid undue 
shifts of the
averaged phase speed value, but these are items not impossible to cope with.

As said, just a wild idea. If there are valid reasons to trash it, 
please speak up, so I won't
waste any more time thinking at it.   Thanks.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
P.S.  BTW, with the above scheme, sampling rate errors of the sound card 
would become
of no importance.
 














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At 04:18 PM 11/27/2004 +0100, Alberto wrote:
>[..]  I was thinking of a scheme more or less like the 
>following, for the
>137 kHz scenario, for demodulating a BPSK transmission.
[..]
>A PC program can now mix down, with a tunable NCO, that range to zero IF 
>and apply a complex FIR lowpass with a BW of just a few Hz. What do you
>have now ? A rotating vector (ideally it should not rotate, if the zero
>IF is actually zero), whose phase is instantaneously defined by
>atan(Q/I). If you do a long term averaging of the speed of variation of
>this phase, you can then more or less easily measure if the instantaneous
>phase is leading or lagging this averaged value.
>This is just the recovered 0 or 1 bit of  the phase modulation applied 
>to your carrier.
[..]
>As said, just a wild idea. If there are valid reasons to trash it, 
>please speak up, so I won't
>waste any more time thinking at it.   Thanks.

This is basically how the "PSKL" mode in COHERENT/AFRICA  was done.
Everything works nicely when the SNR is good, but one problem is that
it is very difficult to accurately measure phase when the signal is
extremely weak.  I found that in place of long term averaging it is better
to fit a linear regression line (assuming the speed of the variation is
constant over the averaging period) - the slope is what we want and it
does a better job of taking out the effects of jitter - but still when
the signal is way down in noise, even the best guess can be off by
a mile.  You can't afford to assume the parameter stays constant for a
long time because the filter wouldn't track.  And for a sufficiently
short measurement time to be useful in BPSK decoding you generally can't
measure accurately enough to be more useful than just going to differential
encoding then comparing two consecutive measured phases to see if they
differ by more than +/- 90 degrees.

Bill
VE2IQ



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Greetings all,


Alberto 
>>> Firstly, I like the idea of Andy, of a GSPSK (Gentle Sloping PSK),
 which should substantially reduce the amplitude variations of the signal, when subject to phase
modulation. Any volunteer for a mathematical analysis (or a simulation) of the crest factor as a function of the "gentleness" of the phase transitions ?
<<<

And, since my maths is a bit rusted, which phase slope would be the "best" (if it's that easy at all) ? At the moment I only used a linear ramp, so the "GPSK"'s phase looks like a trapezoid on a phase plot.. by something tells me a raised cosine would produce less sidebands. (Furthermore, the unwanted sidebands are still much stronger than for a PSK31-signal with its nice amplitude shaping). 

Anyway, I still didn't give up the idea of MSK or even GMSK. There are some novel implementations of this around which I still have to dig through, like this one (tnx SM6LKM):

www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/SSC/CSER/UOSAT/papers/icdsc_ws/icdsc_ws.html (look for the "Coherent MSK Experiment", and for the author's conclusion). 

I wouldn't say the Hodgart-Massey decoder is simple, but it seems to have some interesting properties (especially the fast acquisition time) which may be beneficial for LF.


Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF.



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Bill de Carle wrote:

>This is basically how the "PSKL" mode in COHERENT/AFRICA  was done.
>  
>
Hmmm Bill,
  this mean I cannot patent it, being yours a "prior art" ?  :-)
Seriously talking, bad performance under weak signal conditions apart, 
did you see in your tests
that tolerance of a few Hz in tuning ?  TNX.

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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At 07:05 PM 11/27/2004 +0100, Alberto wrote:
>Bill de Carle wrote:
>
>>This is basically how the "PSKL" mode in COHERENT/AFRICA  was done.
>>  
>>
>Hmmm Bill,
>  this mean I cannot patent it, being yours a "prior art" ?  :-)
>Seriously talking, bad performance under weak signal conditions apart, 
>did you see in your tests
>that tolerance of a few Hz in tuning ?  TNX.

Well, I did it a little differently, so maybe on a technicality
you could patent it :-)

I only feed one channel of audio into the computer (let's call it the
real component).  Then I multiply it with a phasor rotating at, nominally,
800 Hz, which gives me the IP, Q components.  If my locally generated
carrier is at precisely the same frequency as the incoming BPSK audio
carrier, the beat note is essentially DC, and the I,Q components
should not change over the course of the bit time.  That means I can
integrate them over the entire bit time which reduces the bandwidth
accordingly.  Now, assume there is a slight difference between my
locally generated 800 Hz and the incoming BPSK's frequency.  There
will now be a slowly varying beat note in the I/Q values (always,
of course, less than the 1/Tb bandwidth of the effective lowpass
filter implemented by adding up what were assumed to have been DC
components).

At the end of each bit time I compute the phase angle (averaged
over the bit time) by taking arctan(y/x) - and from one bit time
to the next ("averaged" with the regression line I previously
mentioned) I can calculate the sign and magnitude of the frequency
error.  Then I use that in a feedback loop to change the frequency
of my locally-generated oscillator, seeking always to reduce the
resulting I/Q components to DC.

It's similar to a phase-locked loop, but implemented computationally.
Now, assuming the initial tuning is accurate enough (i.e. the
difference in Hz between the incoming 800 Hz audio and my locally
generated 800 Hz reference phasor is less than +/- one-quarter the
bitrate) - in theory, once locked on, the receiver will track
a *slowly* varying BPSK signal all over the band because it keeps
adjusting the local oscillator to track the incoming signal.  To
demodulate the BPSK we just apply the rule: if the phase of current
bit is more than +/- 90 degrees away from the phase of the previous
bit, a "1" was transmitted (differential mark), or if the phase was
more than +/- 90 degrees from my reference phase (established by
long-term averaging) - then it was an absolute "1".

The tracking range is not limited to a few Hz unless we restrict
the local oscillator such that it is not allowed to go outside
some range.  Of course, if the incoming audio frequency changes
too fast it will result in an incorrectly computed frequency offset,
equivalent to a PLL going unlocked.

My experience with this system is that it works fine when the SNR
is good, but degrades quickly when the signal starts to get close
to the noise.  When we really need to decode a weak signal it always
pays to turn off the tracking loop and rely on the last known good
received frequency.  I could have improved the system by estimating
the SNR and trying to track an incoming signal less agressively
when the SNR was poor.  The operator can do that manually in AFRICAM
but it would still be nice to have it all happen without operator
intervention.

Bill
VE2IQ



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Hello group,

Some "on air"-tests performed saturday evening showed no big difference in the performance of PSK08 with amplitude shaping and "slow phase" variation. Thanks to DF6NM's grabber (with the zoomed range switched to 136500 Hz temporarily) I could not observe a broader signal when switching between the two PSK shaping methods.

Also interesting: Shortly after starting, DL3ZID called me (also in PSK08), and Eberhard was perfect copy (as long as no local QRM carriers wiped him out) with 5 mW ERP from over 100 km's distance, though the PSK signal was almost invisible on the QRSS3-spectrogram. So the good old waterfall display may be not very helpful to detect the presence of such a signal - unless a kind of "weak pilot tone" if added to the signal, which would allow to adjust the RX frequency manually (by moving the L.O. frequency with a mouseclick into the waterfall, etc). During the QSO with DL3ZID, the AFC'ed RX frequency was pulled away several times by "wandering carriers" so I finally turned it off (no problem, since DL3ZID's TX frequency was stable enough).

Locking the "soft" L.O. to a selectable Loran line may be another option to circumvent these problems.. but that's another story.

Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF.

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Joe, VO1NA is back on 137777. Poor reception of the QRSS30 signal
2000-2030z, 2100-2130z, 0600-0630z.
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  http://www.h-wolff.homepage.t-online.de/Latest%20LF.htm

 

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Dear Wolf, LF Group

Also nearly 100% copy of DF0WD in PSK08 here - no trace of DL3ZID detectable
though. By coincidence, I was trying out my PSK interface at the time Wolf's
sigs appeared. QRN levels were very low at the time, so perhaps not a very
severe test, but it does show the variable-phase technique "works". I also
found I had to have the AFC switched "off" to avoid the receive frequency
wandering away across the band.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hello group,
>
> Some "on air"-tests performed saturday evening showed no big difference in
the performance of PSK08 with amplitude shaping and "slow phase"
variation....



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Hello Ingolf,

Thanks for the report and the screenshots.
It was actually me at DF0WD, trying to announce "NOW PSK08" and "CQ DF0WD K" on Markus' screenshot.
Between the HELL transmissions, the mode was PSK08 (the slow variant of G3PLX's PSK31, easily distinguishable by the 8-Hz-spacing between the two lines of the idle symbol).

Worked DF6NM and M0BMU in PSK31 and PSK08 today, and saw traces of another UK station in PSK31 earlier but it was too weak to decode (on 137450 Hz).

Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF .


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G3XDV writes:

>My question about linear amplifiers sparked some useful 
>dialogue about eliminating the need for linears.

>If a new data mode is to be developed, it seems to me that 
>two modes are needed. One for 'local' working in a CW 
>bandwidth for those who do not wish to learn CW. The 
>other in a much narrower bandwidth - the limiting factor 
>being Loran lines - for intercontinental working. 

As so few stations have linear power amplifiers, I wonder if
"keyboard activity" (particularly for "local ragchews") could
be encouraged by using an "old" mode such as fsk(rtty?) ? 
Many of us have the necessary software (some may still have 
the hardware!!).

Brian G3YKB


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Dear LF Group,

I had QSOs with 4 stations (G0NVZ, G3YKB, DF0WD, DF6NM) today using PSK31
and/or PSK08 modes - must be some sort of record, I think! G0NVZ (St.
Albans) and G3YKB (Watford) are both fairly local to me, so copy was 100% in
PSK31. DF0WD was also near 100% here, allthough DF6NM was marginal. Changing
to PSK08 (once I had pressed all the right buttons in the right order...)
gave good copy of DF6NM, at least when he was not down in QSB. So PSK08 is
clearly quite a usable mode on LF. I found it neccessary to operate PSK08
with the AFC switched off completely, it was then no problem to line up the
carrier frequency with the signal displayed on the spectrogram and get good
copy. Thanks to John, Brian, Wolf and Markus for the interesting QSOs; I
would be interested to hear if anyone else copied these signals.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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An LF 'RTTY type waveform' already exists -  Jason !   'Normal' RTTY, even
at the narrowest shift / baud rate for any of the standard software, would
be far to wide to be sociable on LF.

Andy  G4JNT


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>
> G3XDV writes:
>
> >My question about linear amplifiers sparked some useful
> >dialogue about eliminating the need for linears.
>
> >If a new data mode is to be developed, it seems to me that
> >two modes are needed. One for 'local' working in a CW
> >bandwidth for those who do not wish to learn CW. The
> >other in a much narrower bandwidth - the limiting factor
> >being Loran lines - for intercontinental working.
>
> As so few stations have linear power amplifiers, I wonder if
> "keyboard activity" (particularly for "local ragchews") could
> be encouraged by using an "old" mode such as fsk(rtty?) ?
> Many of us have the necessary software (some may still have
> the hardware!!).
>
> Brian G3YKB
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James Moritz wrote:

>Dear LF Group,
>
>I had QSOs with 4 stations (G0NVZ, G3YKB, DF0WD, DF6NM) today using PSK31
>and/or PSK08 modes - must be some sort of record, I think! G0NVZ (St.
>Albans) and G3YKB (Watford) are both fairly local to me, so copy was 100% in
>PSK31. DF0WD was also near 100% here, allthough DF6NM was marginal. Changing
>to PSK08 (once I had pressed all the right buttons in the right order...)
>gave good copy of DF6NM, at least when he was not down in QSB. So PSK08 is
>clearly quite a usable mode on LF. I found it neccessary to operate PSK08
>with the AFC switched off completely, it was then no problem to line up the
>carrier frequency with the signal displayed on the spectrogram and get good
>copy. Thanks to John, Brian, Wolf and Markus for the interesting QSOs; I
>would be interested to hear if anyone else copied these signals.
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>  
>
Hi Jim and all
Copied you around 11:35 without problems 559.
Same for DF6NM and DF0WD but only faint traces
from G0NVZ and G3YKB :-(

 73 Ko, NL9222


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Quite a bit of activity heard this morning. A new station 
M0LMT was beaconing in QRSS3 on 135.53kHz plus or 
minus a bit of drift. He was about S6 and was giving his 
locator as IO91UX which is not far from me. 

Called DK7SU on CW but got no reply. Heard M0BMU and 
others using PSK. Had part of a CW QSO with F6BWO but 
local QRM forced me to close down.

Mike, G3XDV
===========




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Bill de Carle wrote:

>Well, I did it a little differently, so maybe on a technicality
>you could patent it :-)
>
>  
>
Good, so you won't sue me !  :-)
Thanks for the details of your implementation. Just let me ask one 
question. You multiply
the input real signal with a phasor rotating at the same nominal 
frequency F of the signal
The output is a DC signal and a signal at +-2F (the sign depends on the 
direction of rotation
of the phasor). At this point you need a lowpass filter, which you have 
implemented
integrating the I & Q output. Wouldn't maybe a very steep FIR filter (> 
255 taps) with
a bandwidth of a 2 or 3 Hz gain you something in terms of SNR ?
Mind, I am not saying this based on some computations, it's just a 
feeling (which may, and
probably will) be wrong.

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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hi all,

I write  the psk08 qso between df0wd ( 100%) /  df6nm (approx 95%) / 
m0bmu (approx 85%)  screenshot (12:46 UTC) show left df0wd  /  
middle df6nm / and right a little bit  m0bmu

sri,  no other sign or traces in JO53PO on 137,500kHz

73 de Eberhard
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It was almost certainly M0FMT on QRSS; he's near Hitchin, Herts.


He was active about 18 months ago and has dug out his old LF gear.


I believe he's been trying to access the LF reflector but has had some trouble.


73 Chris G3XIZ

Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> wrote:


Quite a bit of activity heard this morning. A new station 
M0LMT was beaconing in QRSS3 on 135.53kHz plus or 
minus a bit of drift. He was about S6 and was giving his 
locator as IO91UX which is not far from me. 

Called DK7SU on CW but got no reply. Heard M0BMU and 
others using PSK. Had part of a CW QSO with F6BWO but 
local QRM forced me to close down.

Mike, G3XDV
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WD2XDW mode change from 0150z monday -  now dfcw120 hi low hi low, 137,7752, 
137,7756 cw id at and location @ 12 wpm  at beginning and end of sequence. 
1Kw into a droopy wet loop. Im keeping the tx on +24 hours unless requested 
- a great way to test psu's and lpf components!

I was in Texas (y'all) over thanksgiving and checking on ground and skywave 
signals from this beacon from the vehicle rx = ic706mk1 and LF Engineering 
L400b magmounted on top of the Toyota Tundra

- Southern Texas is about 7-10dB down from the main lobe (in theory) but was 
audible at around 0-the 550 mile range during the day from all quiet 
locations, just, even into the hill country to the West of San Antonio. At 
night it was qrm dependant but certainly not any more readable or stronger. 
Not a lot of sky wave/ground wave path fades seen this time, and at this 
range and bearing.

Belated happy thanksgiving to those on this side of the pond.

Laurence KL1X/5 Bville OK em26aq



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In the early 60s I had several QSOs with a ZL station who used to put out a
colossal signal, mainly on 14MHz AM.
Can any of you Kiwis tell me who it was and what his antenna system was. I
believe it was rhombic. I lost my original logbook due to much travelling
since that time.

Peter, G3LDO



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Possibly the late ZL2BT-QTH was on the east coast of the north island, 
and he did have rhombics (plural!)
73
 Dave, ZL3FJ

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> In the early 60s I had several QSOs with a ZL station who used to 
> put out a
> colossal signal, mainly on 14MHz AM.
> Can any of you Kiwis tell me who it was and what his antenna system 
> was. I
> believe it was rhombic. I lost my original logbook due to much 
> travelling
> since that time.
>
> Peter, G3LDO
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Monday, November 29, 2004 G3LDO wrote:

>> In the early 60s I had several QSOs with a ZL station who used to 
>> put out a colossal signal, mainly on 14MHz AM.
>> Can any of you Kiwis tell me who it was and what his antenna system 
>> was. I  believe it was rhombic. I lost my original logbook due to much
>> travelling since that time.

I believe that Peter ZL3GQ (SK) used rhombic on all bands - he was the
"GIANT" on all bands!
If I am not mistaken, length a rhombic's side was abt 200m

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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>From the French language LF/VLF/ELF reflector.  Would anybody like a translation?

73
John G3PAI

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On 28/11/2004 at 18:14 Michel F5WK  wrote:


Bonjour à tous,

Activité intéressante ce matin sur 137500
Voici ce que j'ai pu copier en PSK08:

{10}DF6NM de DFØWD = Ok Markus, alles wieder 1ØØ% = Hab die SampleraR n 
cht
kalibriert und liege Ø.2 Hz zu tief, habe meine TX-freq auf e RX-freq
gesetzt =
Hage hier Aussetzer wenn der Browser den Grabber neu lädt, dann knackt's
bei
Dir im RX ;-) {27} Ok mit dem Ant-Strom, hier heute fast 1.8 A bei 8Ø
Watt PEP =
Now leaveng a gap to see whoslse may join in = DF6NM de DFØWD K

L'opérateur de la station club DF0WD était DL4YHF qu'il n'est pas besoin de
présenter. DF6NM était trop faible pour être décodé par SpectrumLab V2.4
b20
(du même DL4YHF)

73 de Michel f5wk
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Dear Joe, Hartmut, LF Group,

Saw readable signals from VO1NA last night for the first time in a few weeks
- traces of signal were visible sporadically through the night through a
high level of QRN, quieter conditions around dawn gave "O" copy of a couple
of complete callsigns.

I see from Alan's propagation pages that the Dst index remains fairly
negative, but it looks like a recovery in propagation is underway.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

-----Original Message-----
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Joe, VO1NA is back on 137777. Poor reception of the QRSS30 signal
2000-2030z, 2100-2130z, 0600-0630z.
Screenshot:

  http://www.h-wolff.homepage.t-online.de/Latest%20LF.htm

 

 Hartmut Wolff                          mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de





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Hi Jim, there is the chance of good peaks at this point on the recovery, see
my graph for CFH on the report for 29th...this is the highest level I have
seen from CFH for many weeks
www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Dear Joe, Hartmut, LF Group,

Saw readable signals from VO1NA last night for the first time in a few weeks
- traces of signal were visible sporadically through the night through a
high level of QRN, quieter conditions around dawn gave "O" copy of a couple
of complete callsigns.

I see from Alan's propagation pages that the Dst index remains fairly
negative, but it looks like a recovery in propagation is underway.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Joe, VO1NA is back on 137777. Poor reception of the QRSS30 signal
2000-2030z, 2100-2130z, 0600-0630z.
Screenshot:

  http://www.h-wolff.homepage.t-online.de/Latest%20LF.htm



 Hartmut Wolff                          mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de






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Hello LF group,

 Joe was also visible in South Germany, but only between 6:00 and 6:30. Interestingly, the SNR on my CFH plot had already dropped from greater 50 dB to below 30 dB at that time (see http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/plot.gif). Could this lack of correlation be attributed to the different locations of CFH vs. VO1NA?

73 de Markus, DF6NM



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Best signal of VO1NA between 0700-0730z here last night.
Only traces of the QRSS30 signal 0200-0630z.
Screenshots:
  http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm



 Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
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There appears to be something else on, slightly higher up the screenshot, from about 0630 to 0730.  

73
John G3PAI

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On 29/11/2004 at 16:48 wolff.h@t-online.de wrote:

>Best signal of VO1NA between 0700-0730z here last night.
>Only traces of the QRSS30 signal 0200-0630z.
>Screenshots:
>  http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm
>
>
>
> Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
> Locator: JO52HO
> www.h-wolff.de





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John Rabson schrieb:
> There appears to be something else on, slightly higher up the screenshot,
>  from about 0630 to 0730.  
>
> 73
> John G3PAI
>
it was on my screenshot too. see attachment.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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I was watching all the action on Sunday past. DF0WD 
was a good audible signal while sending his tests on Hell and PSK although I did 
not bother to read the psk. 


There were some wide signals from the stronger stns 
active.This is to be expected and not a problem since there was very little 
other activity on the band to interfere 
with.


All signals were audible and could have been read 
in the CW mode.


Antenna in use at the time. 80 metre perimiter 
vertical resonated loop for 137 khz. Opt 
direction  E/W


de 
Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough 


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Talbot" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Linear modes


> An LF 'RTTY type waveform' already exists -  Jason !   'Normal' RTTY, even
> at the narrowest shift / baud rate for any of the standard software, would
> be far to wide to be sociable on LF.

Normal RTTY would not be acceptable on LF this has been discussed many times
before.
Everyone seems to be avoiding the obvious choice ie NORMAL CW.
The 500 khz band if it becomes available to radio amateurs has traditionally
been a CW band.
I would suggest that those interested in LF should learn CW. This mode is
more likely to attract new users on LF.
Data modes are useful if there is a large volume of traffic to move between
stations. The average radio amateur only exchanges Name, QTH, and QSA/QRK
and CW is ideal for this purpose and no complicated modems are required.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian G3YKB" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Linear modes
>
>
> >
> > G3XDV writes:
> >
> > >My question about linear amplifiers sparked some useful
> > >dialogue about eliminating the need for linears.
> >
> > >If a new data mode is to be developed, it seems to me that
> > >two modes are needed. One for 'local' working in a CW
> > >bandwidth for those who do not wish to learn CW. The
> > >other in a much narrower bandwidth - the limiting factor
> > >being Loran lines - for intercontinental working.
> >
> > As so few stations have linear power amplifiers, I wonder if
> > "keyboard activity" (particularly for "local ragchews") could
> > be encouraged by using an "old" mode such as fsk(rtty?) ?
> > Many of us have the necessary software (some may still have
> > the hardware!!).
> >
> > Brian G3YKB
> >
> >
> >
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Dear Jim, LF group,

There is a variant of PSK31 that incorporates a Viterbi FEC encoder(see
link:- http://www.aintel.bi.ehu.es/description )Using this might mitigate
the effect of impulse-type QRN mentioned below. This particular
implementation might not be ideal for LF use, as it uses QPSK modulation to
regain the 50 WPM throughput rate, and QPSK has it's own foibles and
drawbacks.

>From reading the original G3PLX article, Peter seems to have introduced QPSK
to get back the throughput lost by using half-rate coding, but perhaps a
BPSK/Viterbi implementation delivering 25WPM would be acceptable for us LF
types....it's still faster than I can type! Trouble is, I don't think one
exists.....

Cheers

Dave, G3WCB


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of james moritz
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Dear Mike, LF Group,

The amplifier does not have to be very linear for PSK modes - just so long
as you have some sort of ramp up and down to zero amplitude, rather than an
abrupt on-off transition, the spectrum of the signal will be reasonably
narrow. When I used a linear, I found the best bet was to bias the MOSFETs
so they were slightly cut-off, and then over-drive them a bit - more or less
class C operation. This improved the efficiency somewhat, but it was still
only about 60% at best.

For PSK generation at the moment, I amplitude-modulate the HT supply to the
Decca class D PA, whilst separately phase modulating the drive carrier. This
is much the same as the "envelope elimination and restoration" techniques
which now seem to be standard for big AM broadcast transmitters. I keep
meaning to write this up, but it is the usual problem of having too many
other things to do!

The advantages of PSK31 are that there is readily available software, the
bandwidth is narrow enough, and people are familiar with it - but it isn't
particularly well suited to LF operation; it works fine when the band is
very quiet, but QRN impulses corrupt characters each time they occur, so the
band does not have to be very noisy to render the mode unusable except for
stations very close together. I think there is a case for a similar mode to
PSK31, but incorporating error correction, so that a moderate level of QRN
corrupting a small proportion of bits does not cause a big problem. VE2IQ's
"Coherent" mode did this quite well, but requires MS-DOS and dedicated
interface hardware, making it less attractive.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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>>> The 500 khz band if it becomes available to radio amateurs has traditionally
been a CW band. >>>


 


And RTTY.  And other digital modes.


 


Of course, it's also MF rather than LF, where a transmitting antenna of a given size is eight times more efficient than at 2200m, and where there's only about a third the QRN.  Yes, I suppose under those conditions, "normal CW" might be adequate.



 


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Hi John, Uwe, LF group,

added another wider high resolution screenshot on my website.

        http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm

The lines are there the whole day. I think these lines are IM products
from the nearby DCF39.
Uwe, I found no attachment?

73
Hartmut


> John Rabson schrieb:
>> There appears to be something else on, slightly higher up the screenshot,
>>  from about 0630 to 0730.  
>>
>> 73
>> John G3PAI
>>
> it was on my screenshot too. see attachment.
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx



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Hartmut Wolff schrieb:
> Hi John, Uwe, LF group,
>
> added another wider high resolution screenshot on my website.
>
>         http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm
>
> The lines are there the whole day. I think these lines are IM products
> from the nearby DCF39.
> Uwe, I found no attachment?
>
> 73
> Hartmut
>
sri. here it is
regards
Uwe/dj8wx
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That's right,Ed.
But Peter didn't get his antenna farm until about the early 1970s when 
he shifted out of town (he used to live about 2 km away from me) - 
ZL2BT was running big rhombics quite some years before that.
73, Dave ZL3FJ


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> Monday, November 29, 2004 G3LDO wrote:
>
>>> In the early 60s I had several QSOs with a ZL station who used to
>>> put out a colossal signal, mainly on 14MHz AM.
>>> Can any of you Kiwis tell me who it was and what his antenna 
>>> system
>>> was. I  believe it was rhombic. I lost my original logbook due to 
>>> much
>>> travelling since that time.
>
> I believe that Peter ZL3GQ (SK) used rhombic on all bands - he was 
> the
> "GIANT" on all bands!
> If I am not mistaken, length a rhombic's side was abt 200m
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Dear Uwe, LF Group,

The author is Douglas Self, quite well known for his audio PA designs in
"Electronics Wold" magazine here in the UK. This figure seems to come from
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/dipa/dipa.htm#3 - near the bottom of
the page.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Subject: LF: dpafig33.gif


> Hi all,
>
> I did find a pa diagram pic "DPAFIG33.gif" but without any text.
> a part of the pic in attachment.
>
> my question: who is the author?
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx