From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80169 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 19:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 19:35:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2xT8-0006hh-6n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:42:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2xT8-0006he-48 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:42:02 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C2xMf-00008o-1V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 19:35:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C2xL8-0007w1-2T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:33:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C2xL7-0007vs-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:33:45 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C2xL4-0002wz-1J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:33:45 +0100 Received: by fmmailgate01.web.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id i82JXNAv015648; Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:33:34 +0200 Received: from 217.248.186.38 by freemailng1804.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:31:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:31:47 +0200 Message-Id: <179572412@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa DK8ND" , paul.arndt@stama.de, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: claus@bensenet.de, dk1sb@gmx.de, dl3sfk@darc.de, "py2zx" Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.221 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: LF-Activity Day 18th/ 19th of September 2004. The aerial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Group, Dear Lowfers, now follows a brief description of the draft of our aerial used on our Long-Wave-Activity Day on September 18th/19th. We will use a mast about 22 meter heigth, diameter about 70 m and an auxiliary mast in parallel and a pulley, fabricated once upon a time by late German Democratic Republic or its BIG BROTHER. On top of the construction four spokes of a fibre glass telescopic mast (supplier DK 9 SQ, Ebersbach, cba), length about 10 m each spoke, in the centre the spokes are fixed to the mast by a cross of alumina-profiles, about 3 m long. About 1,5 m above the spokes will be another cross, carrying guy wires to support the fiber glass spokes. The guy fires and the wires fixed paralles to the spokes will be teflon-litz or twin wire used for army outdoor telephones. This construction looks similar to a Quad element made of four spokes with 10 m length. Wether we can use a wire around all four spokes like in a Quad antenna we will try. The base of the mast is insulated, below the mast we will put about 15 radials of 50 m length made of the mentioned telephone-wire. For a calculus with programme "TANT.EXE" use "poor conductivity of ground", and an input power of 70 W/60 Ohm. The capacitive top hat is the difference to the aierial used in the last year. We hope to use it also for Top Band operation, when there is no more activity on LF. The antenna we use this year is constructed by Rainer, DK 7 SU and Norbert, DJ 3 TU. Insulated base mount, the crossing junctions and the tuning coil with the moving coil variometer are made by Rainer. We will make the last check of the construction on Saturday 4th of September, while the Crew is running the VHF/UHF-Contest of IARU-Region 1. Please have a look on the homepage of Our Club section: www.darc.de/distrikte/p/41 or just try with google.com: DARC P41 Looking forward to this Club event I hope all of You will be ready for transmit and receive operation in cw, QRSS3 cw and slow- Hell , that we can receive only by Spectrolab. 55/73 Hans-Albrecht Haffa DK 8 ND Chairman OV "Hohenstaufen", DOK P41 _______________________________________________________________ SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell und kostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16448 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 21:03:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 21:03:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2ykW-0006Ys-Hc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:04:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2ykW-0006Yp-Ek for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:04:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C2yk2-000DrV-Ei for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:03:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C2yjG-00086P-A2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:02:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C2yjF-00086G-VE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:02:45 +0100 Received: from smtp201.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([216.136.129.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C2yjA-0003Ix-NC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:02:46 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Leo) (lw2etu@168.226.68.99 with login) by smtp201.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 21:02:34 -0000 Message-ID: <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> From: "Lw2etu" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:02:32 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.136.129.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of yahoo.com.ar X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Tx for SA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello to all. The next Saturday 19 of September I am going to do a new from Avellaneda test broadcast. For who they can listen me southern from america, or some super ear of any another part of the world. The data are: Start: sat18 15hs utc Frec: 137422,0Hz +/- 0.2Hz Mode: qrss30 Ant: 100m wire Po: 120W Stop: 15hs utc SU19 Any report or question QRV. Thanks. The argentinian group of LF is http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/136k/ Saludos............................................... Marcelo-LW2ETU www.qsl.net/lw2etu http://ca.geocities.com/lw2etu_137/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36875 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 21:32:25 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2zCR-0009Zw-1w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:32:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2zCQ-0009Zn-Ss for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:32:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C2zBw-000PJ0-Lh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:32:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C2zBE-0008BM-2u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:31:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C2zBD-0008BD-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:31:39 +0100 Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.159]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C2zB9-0003PJ-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:31:39 +0100 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040902213108.KJOU2409.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:31:08 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([219.89.99.179]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20040902213107.GXJS24839.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:31:07 +1200 Message-ID: <000c01c49134$2bb90850$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:27:20 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Tx for SA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Marcelo LW2ETU, I'll check for your signal, and I'm sure some other ZLs would also listen out. For ZL it means running a longer transmission time than if you were thinking only of DX testing over Atlantic paths. Good luck. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49153 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2004 21:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2004 21:41:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2zKq-000AJf-Pp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:41:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C2zKq-000AJY-Gt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:41:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C2zKM-000I89-8v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:41:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C2zJe-0008FR-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:40:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C2zJe-0008FI-EP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:40:22 +0100 Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.147]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C2zJa-0003Rp-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:40:22 +0100 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040902214006.LVNI27092.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:40:06 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([219.89.99.179]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20040902214005.JZHE21940.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:40:05 +1200 Message-ID: <000d01c49135$6be48890$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:40:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 210.86.15.147 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of xtra.co.nz X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Cancellation of the ZL6QH test 18/19 ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi all, At this stage it looks like we can not go ahead with LF beacon and other tests at ZL6QH that were booked for 18/19 September. I will post another bulletin nearer the time, once our present difficulties have been reviewed, but at this stage it looks like cancellation is the most likely result. Our next LF booking at Quartz Hill is late December. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61818 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2004 17:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2004 17:49:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3IIK-000Oww-DE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:56:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3IIK-000Owt-AM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:56:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C3IBj-000Dlv-1y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:49:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3IAu-0001PX-Pl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:48:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3IAu-0001PO-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:48:36 +0100 Received: from h36.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.85] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3IAq-0006vV-5V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:48:36 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.229.128) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 412E3FDB000767B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:48:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c48f45$8d044840$80e5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c48c33$5fab9e80$020aa8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <002b01c48c4b$2e710090$ee9bfea9@oben> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:30:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Balloons Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: dj9dw
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Balloons

how about 2 brushless motors (modelairplanes), 2 propellers, 3 wires for motorsupply and as vertical. Only question: what about the 3 chokes at 15 kV rf?
 
Regards, Peter, dj9dw.
 
Peter.
Avoid all these problems by using a small tethered  HOT AIR BALLOON. A gaz fired burner is cheap to operate.
de Mal/G3KEV
  
----- Original Message -----
From: OZ7QC
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Balloons

Hi,
 
I now this ballon soure for marketing ballons.
 
 
Vy 73
 
Ingolf OZ7QC
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94385 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 06:24:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 06:24:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3U4p-0005z4-2G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:31:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3U4o-0005z1-Vx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:31:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C3Ty9-0002g3-2o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 06:24:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3Twx-0002ZH-Ft for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:22:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3Twx-0002Z8-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:22:59 +0100 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3Twt-0000YP-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:22:59 +0100 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C3Twr-0000on-00; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:22:53 +0200 Received: from oben (GoX36vZ6oeZyAOsttjn5h1Wxzl1Ofb1PMoNnSK9DxL6JCZAZ79OCQz@[80.128.188.221]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C3Twm-1Olkp60; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:22:48 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c49248$5abbe360$ee9bfea9@oben> From: dj9dw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c48c33$5fab9e80$020aa8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <002b01c48c4b$2e710090$ee9bfea9@oben> <000c01c48f45$8d044840$80e5fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:28:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-ID: GoX36vZ6oeZyAOsttjn5h1Wxzl1Ofb1PMoNnSK9DxL6JCZAZ79OCQz X-TOI-MSGID: 6144ac00-6c8b-4e93-b30b-53d06dc6e380 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305,TW_TN=0.077 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Balloons Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:30 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Balloons

 
Peter.
Avoid all these problems by using a small tethered  HOT AIR BALLOON. A gaz fired burner is cheap to operate.
de Mal/G3KEV
  
Mal,
tnx 4 info and compliments. You made it. What diameter is the balloon and which highth do you plan?
 
Good luck, 73's, Peter dj9dw.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: OZ7QC
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Balloons

Hi,
 
I now this ballon soure for marketing ballons.
 
 
Vy 73
 
Ingolf OZ7QC
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50152 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 19:31:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 19:31:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3gGb-000Mgz-FR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:32:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3gGb-000Mgw-AB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:32:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C3gFo-000G9p-0t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:31:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3gEU-0003IW-Ti for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:29:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3gEU-0003IN-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:29:54 +0100 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3gEQ-0002Dy-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:29:54 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i84JThHY003973 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:59:44 -0230 (NDT) (envelope-from jcraig@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i84JThbg002417 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:59:43 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id i84JTggU003937; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:59:42 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:59:42 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> Message-ID: References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.16 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: XES in PEI Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040404040004030600020603" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040404040004030600020603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group, I recently returned from a vacation in PEI, about 800 km east of here. 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<000c01c492b1$45e1a920$5f50fea9@maine> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:59:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 205.231.144.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: XES in PEI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe, Nice to be heard in PEI! That was one of my parents' favorite vacation spots. Hartmut has amazing ears. Or eyes. Or whatever. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82689 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 20:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 20:01:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3gkG-000Ogh-0d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:02:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3gkF-000Oge-UT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:02:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C3gjS-0005JT-K8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:01:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3gjH-0003RQ-OR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:01:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3gjH-0003RH-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:01:43 +0100 Received: from outgoing-1.taconic.net ([205.231.144.133] helo=c.smtp.taconic.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3gjE-0002JN-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:01:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 5326 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2004 20:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maine) (66.243.204.151) by 0 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 20:01:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c492b1$c2ce8e80$5f50fea9@maine> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:02:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 205.231.144.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: CFH is Back! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) The good and bad news is that CFH is back on the air. I was listening on 137.780 this afternoon, and could hear a rumbling in the background that didn't sound like Loran. I opened up the receiver BW and heard the FSK. The center frequency appears to be 137.200, with principal sidebands 100 Hz either side. This does not match their last incarnation. Alan, it looks like you have your prop indicator back, at least for a while! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89909 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 20:31:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 20:31:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3hD8-0000dD-JE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:32:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3hD8-0000dA-GX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:32:34 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C3hCK-000NeW-UV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:31:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3hBh-0003VW-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:31:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3hBh-0003VN-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:31:05 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate01.web.de ([217.72.192.221]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3hBd-0002Mf-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:31:05 +0100 Received: by fmmailgate01.web.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id i84KU2Ax026180 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:30:54 +0200 Received: from 217.248.191.253 by freemailng1804.web.de with HTTP; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:30:51 +0200 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:30:51 +0200 Message-Id: <180736799@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.221 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Tx for SA, from DK 8 ND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Qerido Marcelo, gracias por las informaciones, que ahora sabemos en Europa, que Ustedes en Argentina hacen experimentos en la banda 136k. En el mismo fin de semana nuestgro grupo del club de aficcionados es activo de 12.00 UTC (GMT, Z). 18/19 de settiembre, 12.00 - 12.00 UTC. Mis construcciones: Una nueva estacion transmisora de 60 dbm/ 60 Ohm clase D . Please have a look on the homepage of Our Club section: www.darc.de/distrikte/p/41 or just try with google.com: DARC P41 Saludos cordiales, 55 Hans-Albrecht, DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 02.09.04 23:05:41: > > Hello to all. > > The next Saturday 19 of September I am going to do a new from > Avellaneda test broadcast. For who they can listen me southern from > america, > or some super ear of any another part of the world. The data are: > > Start: sat18 15hs utc > > Frec: 137422,0Hz +/- 0.2Hz > Mode: qrss30 > Ant: 100m wire > Po: 120W > > Stop: 15hs utc SU19 > > Any report or question QRV. > Thanks. > > The argentinian group of LF is http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/136k/ > > > Saludos............................................... > Marcelo-LW2ETU > > www.qsl.net/lw2etu > > http://ca.geocities.com/lw2etu_137/ > > > ____________________________________________________ Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist WEB.DE Video-Mail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021200 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38963 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 20:55:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3haT-0002dv-Im for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:56:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3haT-0002ds-GC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:56:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C3hZf-0002wV-QJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:55:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3hZE-0003aV-6A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:55:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3hZD-0003aM-Ru for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:55:23 +0100 Received: from outgoing-1.taconic.net ([205.231.144.133] helo=c.smtp.taconic.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3hZA-0002Ps-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:55:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 1559 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2004 20:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maine) (66.243.204.155) by 0 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 20:55:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c492b9$40377d80$5f50fea9@maine> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> <001201c492b1$c2ce8e80$5f50fea9@maine> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:56:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 205.231.144.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: CFH is Back! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Here's a SpecLab shot of the current CFH signal: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/CFH0904.jpg John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30955 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2004 22:51:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2004 22:51:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3jNw-000Bax-Mh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:51:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3jNw-000Bau-KV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:51:52 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C3jN8-0002Oh-5M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:51:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3jMO-0003l2-EM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:50:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3jMO-0003kt-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:50:16 +0100 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3jMK-0002et-V7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:50:16 +0100 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C3jMK-00077T-01; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 00:50:12 +0200 Received: from (ZqqLnBZfgeuOzYVqfteEsMCqGJ6UShUA2K1lwg6gp6wlJsgobF2tQp@[217.251.188.33]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C3jMD-180JxA0; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:50:05 +0200 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:50:05 +0200 Message-ID: <1C3jMD-180JxA0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: ZqqLnBZfgeuOzYVqfteEsMCqGJ6UShUA2K1lwg6gp6wlJsgobF2tQp X-TOI-MSGID: c97237d5-fd91-402c-a12b-65f30119bba7 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.18 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: XES in PEI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Joe Craig schrieb: > Dear LF Group, > > I recently returned from a vacation in PEI, about 800 km > east of here. Although I managed to convince m'lady (after > much begging and pleading) to bring along my LF gear, > I did not manage to detect any trace of my 10 watt > signals on 137.777 kHz. I did copy John on 1 Sept. The > enclosed was captured at 0347 UTC. > > Amazingly, Hartmut reported a nearly full copy of the > signals a few days earlier. This is the first time the > low power TX has been detected across the pond. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > Hi Joe, so you are on the air agn with 100W ? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53027 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 06:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 06:11:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3qFs-000FbJ-Sj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:12:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3qFs-000FbG-QC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:12:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C3qF1-000HN3-34 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 06:11:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3qEL-0005aL-8H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:10:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3qEK-0005aC-T6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:10:24 +0100 Received: from generation.lgisp.net ([208.181.178.12] helo=joseph.ncoldns.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3qEH-0005OT-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:10:24 +0100 Received: from winuser (gi70.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.78]) by joseph.ncoldns.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B318B8103; Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002501c4930f$6cb4d780$4e11f4cc@winuser> From: "Steve McDonald" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c492cd$b872d1a0$6507a8c0@Main> <003301c492cf$55760520$6511f4cc@winuser> <001101c492ca$13580080$5f50fea9@maine> Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:13:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.12 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] re CFH Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060309020700080206010204" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060309020700080206010204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
CFH is actually very audible out here tonight, even without Argo ~ 5200km from Mayne Island. This is the first time I have actually looked for it.
 
 
 
Steve / VE7SL
 
Mayne Island, B.C.  CN88
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Gentlemen Let me introduce to you a new candidate to the "Ugliest 137 kHz QRM generator Challenge". I'm talking about the Philips SL.E Pro 16W Warm White light bulb. This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses only 16 watts AC to produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light bulb, but generates an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all over the 137 kHz band 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18098 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 14:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 14:54:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3yQU-0003RW-2R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:55:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3yQT-0003RT-UF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:55:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C3yPY-0006Kv-Rf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:54:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3yP2-00064w-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:54:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3yP2-00064n-AH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:54:00 +0100 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3yOz-0006Nm-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:54:00 +0100 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C3yOy-00017j-01; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:53:56 +0200 Received: from (bHgzaTZbreRRGgkN35zkWwMORRP1SQSQMkqLNJOwWJ-wm0uLAYrls3@[217.251.198.158]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1C3yOt-0dRy1w0; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:53:51 +0200 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:53:51 +0200 Message-ID: <1C3yOt-0dRy1w0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: bHgzaTZbreRRGgkN35zkWwMORRP1SQSQMkqLNJOwWJ-wm0uLAYrls3 X-TOI-MSGID: 2c502583-3cc6-4416-ae8c-de001fe2a70a X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.19 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.7 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.305 Subject: Re: LF: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) f6agr schrieb: > Gentlemen > > Let me introduce to you a new candidate to the "Ugliest 137 kHz QRM > generator Challenge". > I'm talking about the Philips SL.E Pro 16W Warm White light bulb. > This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses only 16 watts AC to > produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light bulb, but generates > an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all over the 137 kHz > band > > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR > > Hi Jean-Louis, thanks for the hint. please report it to your Regulation Office. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46025 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 15:21:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 15:21:58 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3yr1-0005dO-5b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:22:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C3yr1-0005dL-39 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:22:55 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C3yq5-000EMy-QV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:21:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C3ypi-0006Ey-Qh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:21:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C3ypi-0006Ep-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:21:34 +0100 Received: from salador.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C3ypf-0006TK-4G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:21:34 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by salador.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i85FLOr6058952 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:51:25 -0230 (NDT) (envelope-from jcraig@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i85FLNbg028816 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:51:23 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id i85FLNX4026553; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:51:23 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:51:23 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1C3jMD-180JxA0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: References: <194641033.20040820171235@t-online.de> <007d01c49130$2bbdc010$6802a8c0@Leo> <1C3jMD-180JxA0@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: XES in PEI Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, jannsen wrote: > Hi Joe, > > so you are on the air agn with 100W ? > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx Hi Uwe and group. As John mentioned, CFH is back but at 200 Hz higher. There are peaks in the spectrum at +-120 Hz from 137.2 kHz and others peaks within the 240 Hz bandwidth of the transmissions. The TX is running just under 10 watts from an experimental amp, but I will be more than happy to resume 100 watt beacon transmissions on request. Cheers Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73888 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2004 17:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2004 17:30:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C40xT-0000eA-47 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:37:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C40xT-0000e7-1R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:37:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C40qa-000NKm-CN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:30:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C40q2-0006Pw-Hw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:30:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C40q2-0006Pn-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:30:02 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C40py-0006kw-Td for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:30:02 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040905172809.RMOP4370.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:28:09 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:29:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <413B5B1E.22102.225CC66@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.42 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ntlworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.261 Subject: LF: Weekend report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Saturday: QSO with F6BWO on QRSS3 with O reports. Also saw QRSS3 from M0BMU (O)and DL2HRE (O on DFCW). Put out several CW CQs. Sunday: Heard PA0KDM at 439, but he did not reply to my call. QRN worsened later. Mike, G3XDV ========== http://www.lf.thersgb.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84218 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 08:41:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 08:41:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4FAi-000KHk-UA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:48:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4FAi-000KHh-RY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:48:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4F3k-0003RK-IG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 08:41:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4F2u-0007Y9-QE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:40:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4F2u-0007Y0-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:40:16 +0100 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4F2q-0000U6-VO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:40:16 +0100 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 413A89150004B296 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:40:51 +0200 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:39:39 +0200 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4118A4AC000ADF51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:39:39 +0200 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:39:39 +0200 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 40E584880013ED12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:38:34 +0200 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:38:34 +0200 Received: by NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:39:38 +0200 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEA45@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:39:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,RCVD_IN_RFCI=0.1 Subject: RE: LF: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit > f6agr schrieb: > > This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses > only 16 watts AC to > > produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light > bulb, but generates > > an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all > over the 137 kHz > > band > > > > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR > > > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > thanks for the hint. please report it to your Regulation Office. > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx > Hallo Uwe As far as I know, EMC/EMI protection laws apply only to broadcast(radio, TV) transmissions, not to amateur bands. And this damned lightbulb does NOT disturb large AM broadcat transmissions. So there is little chance to be heard by the administration ... 73 JL F6AGR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59011 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 09:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 09:18:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4Fl8-000OZ0-ED for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:25:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4Fl8-000OYx-Ba for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:25:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C4Fe9-0000wW-R4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:18:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4Fdm-0007dv-UY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:18:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4Fdm-0007dm-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:18:22 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4Fdj-0000by-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:18:22 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.184.74]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040906091733.CQNM5349.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:17:33 +0100 Message-ID: <006601c493f2$eacd2c60$08540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEA45@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:21:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.41 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I had same problems all over 20m band. Tell all your neighbours the bulbs radiate dangerous cancer causing,brain damaging emissions. Say that no pregnant woman should go near them, hint at a conspiracy between govt. and Capitalist profit makers to keep the facts secret.. that should reduce the sales in your neighbourhood.!. BTW I cured my 20m problem by switching off the light in my kitchen ;-) ...G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: RE: LF: Save energy, but generate QRM ... > > > f6agr schrieb: > > > > This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses > > only 16 watts AC to > > > produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light > > bulb, but generates > > > an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all > > over the 137 kHz > > > band > > > > > > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR > > > > > > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > > > thanks for the hint. please report it to your Regulation Office. > > > > regards > > Uwe/dj8wx > > > > > Hallo Uwe > > As far as I know, EMC/EMI protection laws apply only to broadcast(radio, > TV) transmissions, not to amateur bands. > And this damned lightbulb does NOT disturb large AM broadcat transmissions. > So there is little chance to be heard by the administration ... > > 73 > > JL F6AGR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33095 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 09:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 09:55:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4GEG-000O7l-O7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:56:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4GEG-000O7h-I4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:56:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C4GDD-000F5r-GD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:54:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4GCd-0007jG-9n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:54:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4GCc-0007j7-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:54:22 +0100 Received: from mail.organon.fr ([192.87.3.7] helo=gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4GCZ-0000iV-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:54:22 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl (8.9.3c/8.6.12) id LAA36171 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl (TUNIX txp2/smap) for id sma035228; Mon, 6 Sep 04 11:53:30 +0200 Received: from ossms02.emea.pharma.intra ([10.10.4.152]) by ossvsinterout02.emea.pharma.intra with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:53:29 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:53:30 +0200 Message-ID: <60C702FB5EF26A45B568F10890007C0965449B@ossms02-bu.backup.oss.intra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Thread-Topic: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Thread-Index: AcSTNnWjh6iAeK+yRViUSu7Z4SAE3wAvVRWw From: "Laken, W.H.P.A. van der \(Wil\)" Importance: normal To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2004 09:53:29.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CE08640:01C493F7] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 192.87.3.7 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of organon.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Jean-Louis, I can add yet another device to the "Ugliest 137 kHz QRM generator Challenge" Just try a "transformerless" transformer for 12 volt halogen bulbs ? Too bad, I can't take a shower any more when my LF-RX is running. Just have to convince the rest of the family ..... Wil - PA0BWL -----Original Message----- From: f6agr [mailto:f6agr@wanadoo.fr] Sent: zondag 5 september 2004 12:57 To: Rsgb_Lf_Group Subject: LF: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Gentlemen Let me introduce to you a new candidate to the "Ugliest 137 kHz QRM generator Challenge". I'm talking about the Philips SL.E Pro 16W Warm White light bulb. This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses only 16 watts AC to produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light bulb, but generates an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all over the 137 kHz band 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jean-Louis F6AGR said: > Let me introduce to you a new candidate to the "Ugliest 137 kHz QRM > generator Challenge". > I'm talking about the Philips SL.E Pro 16W Warm White light bulb. > This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses only 16 watts AC to > produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light bulb, but generates > an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all over the 137 kHz > band. About three years ago I tentitively tried out one of these energy saving bulbs and didn't find any interference throughout the LF/HF spectrum and have, over a period introduced more into the house. These bulbs do save a lot of energy, which is a consideration with cost of energy in this country. So perhaps we could draw up a list of low energy bulbs that don't cause interference. Most of the bulbs I have are cheap ones from Woolworths and are described as BIAX V257 made by GE Lighting. As regards electronic 'transformers' could the fix be just to replace it with a conventional transformer? Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53560 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 11:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 11:34:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4Hms-000D6Y-8r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:35:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4Hms-000D6V-6E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:35:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C4Hlo-00015r-Av for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:34:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4HlL-0007wG-Tf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:34:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4HlL-0007w7-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:34:19 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4HlG-00014K-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:34:19 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.91]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040906113237.PUCF4727.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:32:37 +0100 Message-ID: <009601c49405$e78029a0$08540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c49402$4eb5cfc0$edce28c3@erica> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:37:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.43 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) The fact is that some do and some do not cause HF interference. I have not checked every one at LF. . I have several that are satisfactory and two that are not. The problem is not with one's own house, where baddies can be switched off,but with 'them' next door. G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: g3ldo To: Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Save energy, but generate QRM ... > Jean-Louis F6AGR said: > > > Let me introduce to you a new candidate to the "Ugliest 137 kHz QRM > > generator Challenge". > > I'm talking about the Philips SL.E Pro 16W Warm White light bulb. > > This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses only 16 watts AC > to > > produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light bulb, but > generates > > an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all over the 137 kHz > > band. > > About three years ago I tentitively tried out one of these energy saving > bulbs and didn't find any interference throughout the LF/HF spectrum and > have, over a period introduced more into the house. These bulbs do save a > lot of energy, which is a consideration with cost of energy in this country. > So perhaps we could draw up a list of low energy bulbs that don't cause > interference. > > Most of the bulbs I have are cheap ones from Woolworths and are described as > BIAX V257 made by GE Lighting. > > As regards electronic 'transformers' could the fix be just to replace it > with a conventional transformer? > > Peter, G3LDO > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2335 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 12:50:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 12:50:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4J47-0000Pv-Gv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:57:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4J47-0000Ps-EM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:57:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4Ix7-000JJy-JO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:50:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4IwM-00084V-UI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:49:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4IwM-00084M-Gg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:49:46 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.213]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4IwI-0001KH-HP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:49:46 +0100 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1C4IwC-000Bpa-K7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:49:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c4940f$17835600$0a03210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c49402$4eb5cfc0$edce28c3@erica> <009601c49405$e78029a0$08540150@captbrian> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:38:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.159.14.213 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of thersgb.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Low Energy Light Bulbs Hi All, All the electronic ones have some kind of oscillator in them. There is no screening, and there is little space for filter components, so the fact is most of them radiate somewhere. (or cause the house wireing to radiate) The circuit is often just a two transitor power oscillator running off rectified mains,and driving a small transformer. Although some of them have a couple of small ICs in them. Similar circuit in the 12V lighting transformer. The crudely rectified mains amplitude modulates the oscilator frequency producing a wide spread. The "comb" of frequencies drifts with the oscilator temperature. There is another type which use a conventional Ballast and Glow-switch starter, but they seem to be going out of fashion. Because these operate at 50Hz, they are no more obnoxious than a conventional fluorescent tube. EMC testing is usually for radiated emmissions above 30MHz, and for conducted emmisions below 30MHz. I have a 12V 8W "Caravan Light", which I use when I operate /P after dark. It was exceptionally dirty, but I found that by adding some local decoupling, grounding the metalwork of the lamp, and putting a ferrite ring on the cable, (all the usual EMC fixes) the interferance was reduced considerably. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Save energy, but generate QRM ... > The fact is that some do and some do not cause HF interference. I have not > checked every one at LF. . I have several that are satisfactory and two > that > are not. The problem is not with one's own house, where baddies can be > switched off,but with 'them' next door. > > G3GVB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: g3ldo > To: > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:11 PM > Subject: LF: Re: Save energy, but generate QRM ... > > >> Jean-Louis F6AGR said: >> >> > Let me introduce to you a new candidate to the "Ugliest 137 kHz QRM >> > generator Challenge". >> > I'm talking about the Philips SL.E Pro 16W Warm White light bulb. >> > This light bulb (quite expensive) saves energy and uses only 16 watts >> > AC >> to >> > produce the same light as a 100 watts conventional light bulb, but >> generates >> > an horrible noise (multiple discrete frequency lines) all over the 137 > kHz >> > band. >> >> About three years ago I tentitively tried out one of these energy saving >> bulbs and didn't find any interference throughout the LF/HF spectrum and >> have, over a period introduced more into the house. These bulbs do save a >> lot of energy, which is a consideration with cost of energy in this > country. >> So perhaps we could draw up a list of low energy bulbs that don't cause >> interference. >> >> Most of the bulbs I have are cheap ones from Woolworths and are described > as >> BIAX V257 made by GE Lighting. >> >> As regards electronic 'transformers' could the fix be just to replace it >> with a conventional transformer? >> >> Peter, G3LDO >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23825 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 13:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 13:14:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4JQv-0003gz-BT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:21:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4JQv-0003gw-7w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:21:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4JJv-000F9g-9l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:14:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4JJY-00089n-EB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:13:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4JJY-00089e-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:13:44 +0100 Received: from outgoing-1.taconic.net ([205.231.144.133] helo=b.smtp.taconic.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4JJU-0001Ow-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:13:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 5231 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2004 13:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maine) (66.243.202.31) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 13:13:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c4940b$1450b080$5f50fea9@maine> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:14:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 205.231.144.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: CFH gone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I checked my receiver at 1200 UTC today, and there was no sign of CFH. Perhaps the cobwebs are sufficiently toasted, or the spider exploded and took the thing off the air. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68013 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 14:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 14:12:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4KLB-000BKu-9m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:19:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4KLB-000BKr-7G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:19:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4KEA-0002o5-UQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:12:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4KDc-0008HO-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:11:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4KDc-0008HF-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:11:40 +0100 Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.44]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4KDY-0001cF-TL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:11:40 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040906141000.FGXC17972.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:10:00 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:11:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <413C7E19.20976.16847F@localhost> In-reply-to: <001f01c4940b$1450b080$5f50fea9@maine> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.44 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ntlworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: CFH gone Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) It was strong here at midnight last night, but with very bad QRN. Mik, G3XDV ========== > I checked my receiver at 1200 UTC today, and there was no sign of CFH. > Perhaps the cobwebs are sufficiently toasted, or the spider exploded > and took the thing off the air. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38199 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 15:02:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 15:02:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4L2J-000F9H-IP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:04:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4L2J-000F9E-GA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:04:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4L1E-000O1h-Fv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:02:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4L0s-0008O7-VB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:02:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4L0s-0008Ny-K9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:02:34 +0100 Received: from outgoing-1.taconic.net ([205.231.144.133] helo=c.smtp.taconic.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4L0p-0001pG-1x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:02:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 16250 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2004 15:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maine) (66.243.201.136) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 15:02:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c4941a$4eb594c0$5f50fea9@maine> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <413C7E19.20976.16847F@localhost> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:03:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 205.231.144.133 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: CFH gone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Mike, I last checked it around 0200 UTC, and it was on. Did some comparisons with it off this morning, and found that my noise floor on 137.78 had dropped considerably. Using a SpecLab screen showing a 10 Hz BW, the noise was 12-15 dB lower this morning than yesterday with CFH on. I don't remember that big a difference when CFH was centered on 137.0, so the extra 200 Hz was a liability here. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95763 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 15:28:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 15:28:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4LRU-000IsL-8W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:30:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4LRU-000IsG-5Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:30:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4LQO-000LQ6-RG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:28:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4LPq-0008St-8v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:28:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4LPp-0008Sk-TG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:28:21 +0100 Received: from gwout.thalesgroup.com ([195.101.39.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4LPm-0001u8-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 16:28:21 +0100 Received: from thalescan.corp.thales (200.3.2.3) by GWOUT.thalesgroup.com (NPlex 6.5.026) id 413A8915000669E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:29:05 +0200 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales ([10.33.19.4]) by thalescan with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:27:53 +0200 Received: from hiplex.tsbh.thales (10.33.21.5) by hiplex.tsbh.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 4118A4AC000B3E81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:27:53 +0200 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales ([202.3.3.26]) by hiplex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:27:53 +0200 Received: from complex.tcfr.thales (202.3.3.26) by complex.tcfr.thales (NPlex 6.5.026) id 40E584880014388D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:26:48 +0200 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales ([146.11.5.4]) by complex with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 17:26:48 +0200 Received: by NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:27:53 +0200 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB034FEA52@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:28:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.101.39.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fr.thalesgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,RCVD_IN_RFCI=0.1 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Save energy, but generate QRM ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit > About three years ago I tentitively tried out one of these > energy saving > bulbs and didn't find any interference throughout the LF/HF > spectrum and > have, over a period introduced more into the house. These > bulbs do save a > lot of energy, which is a consideration with cost of energy > in this country. > So perhaps we could draw up a list of low energy bulbs that > don't cause > interference. > > Most of the bulbs I have are cheap ones from Woolworths and > are described as > BIAX V257 made by GE Lighting. > Peter, G3LDO That's good news, Peter. I tried three bulbs (same model) and got each time the same problem. This means that the issue comes from the design, not from a specific faulty piece. The peak of QRM for the LP16 Philips bulbs is around 137 kHz, slowly drifting when temperature increases. Maybe your own GE BIAX V257 bulbs radiate frequencies combs which are far enough from our 137 kHz band. 73 JL F6AGR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69158 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 17:45:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 17:45:25 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4NZJ-000BDp-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:46:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4NZJ-000BDh-P0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:46:17 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4NYD-000OI9-JN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:45:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4NXH-0000Eq-4f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:44:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4NXG-0000Eh-PN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:44:10 +0100 Received: from h36.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.85] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4NX6-0002Se-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:44:10 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.234.76) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 412E3FDB000A249C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:43:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c49078$54a6a860$4ceafc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:06:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX=1.238,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Static Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The QRN static is still bad on 137khz and 160 metres. Receiving 137 Khz signals on my 80 metre loop suffers just the same as my vertical. Both produce the same level of static. The theory about loop advantage over a vertical is not correct.
A very small loop might be different. I have never used one so do not know. Trying to DX last night on 160 was a problem.
Nothing heard beyond SV2
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53137 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2004 18:33:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2004 18:33:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4OQN-000GKq-Fn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:41:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C4OQN-000GKn-DB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:41:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C4OJL-0000fl-FT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:33:51 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C4OJ0-0000N0-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:33:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C4OJ0-0000Mr-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:33:30 +0100 Received: from ms.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C4OIw-0002ap-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:33:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.192.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.192]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i86IX6pQ019959 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: <413CADD0.30500@genesiswireless.us> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:34:56 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c49078$54a6a860$4ceafc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000c01c49078$54a6a860$4ceafc3e@l8p8y6> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544 Subject: Re: LF: Static Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Maybe you or Granny next door have some of those noisy lamps in the house? My loops are always quieter than my vertical.

Later,
-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI


hamilton mal wrote:
The QRN static is still bad on 137khz and 160 metres. Receiving 137 Khz signals on my 80 metre loop suffers just the same as my vertical. Both produce the same level of static. The theory about loop advantage over a vertical is not correct.
A very small loop might be different. I have never used one so do not know. Trying to DX last night on 160 was a problem.
Nothing heard beyond SV2
73 de Mal/G3KEV :-!
 





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There is a strong RTTY station just below DCF39 tonite (around 138,650) with
a 75 Hz shift.

What is it ?

73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
(LF newcomer)



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----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:06 
  AM

  
Subject: LF: Static

  


  
The theory about loop advantage over a vertical 
  is not correct...

  
73 de Mal/G3KEV

  
 


 


Dear Mal, LF Group,


 


The supposed interference-rejection properties of 
loops are based on the fact that a loop responds mostly to the H (magnetic) 
field component of the electromagnetic wave. Hopefully, E (electric) fields will 
be rejected. But I don't think this would help a loop antenna reject 
QRN - the high-voltage lightning discharge will generate an E-field 
transient, but the kiloamps of current in the stroke will generate plently 
of H-field transient also. I don't know about the relative intensity of E and H 
fields close to the strike, but once you get several wavelengths away, the ratio 
E/H will be constant at 377ohms, just like every other propagating radio wave. 
So I don't think there is a theretical basis to expect any advantage 
rejecting QRN or other long-distance interference in using an E or H field 
antenna for reception.


 


Where a loop antenna might be an advantage is in 
rejecting local E field noise, which will not neccesarily have a corresponding H 
field component. This is an advantage in applications where high voltage, low 
current phenomena are at play, such as "precipitation static". But I think most 
of the local QRM experienced by us LF amateurs is largely H-field; noise 
currents of one sort or another flowing down mains cables, generating primarily 
magnetic noise fields. Certainly, I have not found that loop antennas are good 
at rejecting mains noise. A tuned vertical antenna might seem to be a solution, 
but then again, a magnetic field will be just as effective at inducing currents 
in the conductors of a vertical antenna as it is in a loop antenna.


 


Where loop RX antennas do have an 
advantage for noise rejection is their directional properties - if there is 
a faily large angle between the QRM/QRN and the signal, the loop can be 
positioned to null out the noise. In my case, I can null out the Loran noise 
from Lessay, while receiving signals from most of Europe and North America, 
which gives about 5 - 10dB improvement in the noise level. Also, because the 
loops are fairly small, it is possible to move them around to find the position 
where the local QRM is at a minimum - the bottom of the garden in my case. The 
end result for me is that loops give substantially better received signals - but 
they don't reduce the QRN, unless it is in the nulls of the 
antenna.


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


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Hi agn Jean-Louis, I knew there was something and I remembered after i had
launched the personal message. My list give 139.0 Navy Ankara callsign TBA
which is possible. Maybe what you see lower is a mixing product with DCF39
??

Cheers de Alan G3NYK  JO02PB
alan.melia@btinternet.com

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> There is a strong RTTY station just below DCF39 tonite (around 138,650)
with
> a 75 Hz shift.
>
> What is it ?
>
> 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
> (LF newcomer)
>
>



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Hi Alan

You are right, the TTY signal is about 200 Hz higher, not 200 Hz lower than
DCF39 (it's my mistake, I was confused with my USB/LSB settings on the RX
:o)  )
Thanks for the information

73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de Alan Melia
> Envoyé : lundi 6 septembre 2004 23:48
> À : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Objet : LF: Re: RTTY around 137,650 at 19:30 UTC
>
>
> Hi agn Jean-Louis, I knew there was something and I remembered after i had
> launched the personal message. My list give 139.0 Navy Ankara callsign TBA
> which is possible. Maybe what you see lower is a mixing product with DCF39
> ??
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK  JO02PB
> alan.melia@btinternet.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "f6agr" 
> To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" 
> Sent: 06 September 2004 20:53
> Subject: LF: RTTY around 137,650 at 19:30 UTC
>
>
> > There is a strong RTTY station just below DCF39 tonite (around 138,650)
> with
> > a 75 Hz shift.
> >
> > What is it ?
> >
> > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
> > (LF newcomer)
> >
> >
>
>



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73 de Jean-Louis 
F6AGR


Loc. 
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Is anyone using the Ten Tec RX320 regularly for LF work?? (either with 
a converter or with the AMRAD mod to the 320 itself)
Interested to hear any feedback, good, bad, or indifferent.
 73
 Dave, ZL3FJ 



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----- Original Message ----- 

  
From: 
  WE0H 
  Mike 

  
  
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:34 
  PM

  
Subject: Re: LF: Static

  


  
Maybe you or Granny next door have some of those noisy lamps in the 
  house? My loops are always quieter than my vertical.

  
 

  
Like I said the static QRN is from  storms 
  and NOT local. I do not have any local noise problems since I live out in the 
  country and there are no overhead electrical or telephone lines. The static 
  QRN is the same on the resonated 80m loop and the resonated vertical. 
  

  
You have the wrong end of the stick. I am 
  discussing electrical storms and lot local issues.

  
G3KEV

  


Later,
-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI


hamilton mal wrote:

  

    
    

    
The QRN static is still bad on 137khz and 
    160 metres. Receiving 137 Khz signals on my 80 metre loop suffers just the 
    same as my vertical. Both produce the same level of static. The theory about 
    loop advantage over a vertical is not correct.

    
A very small loop might be different. I have 
    never used one so do not know. Trying to DX last night on 160 was a 
    problem.

    
Nothing heard beyond SV2 

    
73 de Mal/G3KEV :-! 

    
 



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 World Heritage Grimeton)?
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For your information.
73 de Johan SM6LKM

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Svensson Winnie [mailto:winnie.svensson@aerotechtelub.se] 
Skickat: den 7 september 2004 08:10
Till: [....]
Ämne: VB: International longwave meeting Summer 2005 in Sweden (incl
World Heritage Grimeton)?
 
Hello, longwave (ELF, VLF, LF) people,
----------------
Summary:

Do you want to take part in an international "longwave meeting"? I have
been told that the most recent one was in York, UK, in 1992.

Earlier this year, VLF radio station SAQ in Grimeton was put on the
Unesco World Heritage List.
The meeting would combine present ELF, VLF and LF issues with a visit to
SAQ.
 
Given sufficient interest, the venue will be on the west coast of
Sweden, in the town of Varberg, from around Thursday June 30 to Saturday
July 2, 2005. The time period should be regarded as fixed.

To go further, we need your advice. Are you interested? If so, please go
along and read the rest of my message.

----------------
 
Details:

I take this opportunity by email and through websites to query your
possible interest to take part in a "Nordic longwave meeting" on ELF,
VLF and LF communication and navigation systems (whistlers and other
natural phenomena covered by other events). Given sufficient interest,
the venue will be on the west coast of Sweden, in the town of Varberg
and nearby Grimeton, from around Thursday June 30 to Saturday July 2,
2005. There is a reason for these dates and the time period should be
regarded as fixed, provided we get sufficient interest to launch such a
seminar, symposium, or fullfledged conference.


A few weeks ago, the Nordic Radio Society Foundation (NRS) had its 7th
"Nordic Shortwave Conference" HF04 on the exotic island of Fårö in the
Baltic. HF04 comprises VLF issues, albeit the majority is related to HF.
160 participants attended and I devoted my HF04 opening speech to radio
station SAQ in Grimeton that had been added, on July 2 this year, to the
Unesco World Heritage List:

"an exceptionally well preserved monument to early wireless
transatlantic communication. It consists of the transmitter equipment
(i. e. the Alexanderson alternator), including the aerial system of six
127-m high steel towers. Though no longer in regular use, the equipment
has been maintained in operating condition. The site is an outstanding
example of the development of telecommunications and is the only
surviving example of a major transmitting station based on
pre-electronic technology".


That HF04 opening night, I got congratulations for our world heritage
success and people said "now we must go to Grimeton". All of a sudden,
it came to my mind that we ought to organise an international "longwave
meeting" in Varberg so as to combine present ELF, VLF and LF issues with
a visit to nearby vintage SAQ. I got immediate support from industry,
operators and various agencies. As a matter of fact, I was told that the
most recent VLF meeting had been in York, UK, in 1992.
 
I promised to look into the matter and I have done that:
 
 
Varberg is a "Summer Town" and a perfect venue with all facilities
within short walking distance (hotels, youth hostel, campus lecture
halls, railway station, Denmark ferry terminal, parking lots, old castle
and swimming of all sorts, cafés etc etc).

SAQ was inaugurated on July 2, 1925 by King Gustaf V. The new reception
building will be inaugurated on July 2, 2005, celebrating 80 years of
SAQ operation. Then, we hope a royalty will start the alternator to
transmit a "royal message". This will be the perfect final activity of
the "2005 Grimeton longwave meeting". Thus, the dates are fixed and we
have already made a preliminary reservation of hotel rooms. So, please
mark the dates in your calender - now.

So, everything sounds fine, doesn't it? Well, we have all things under
control except money. We doubt that we can find sponsors to cover an
anticipated full conference loss. Do we keep the ambition low
(=seminar)? Will we get a lot participants (=conference)? We know that
we have to keep the fee reasonably normal and we hope to offer lower
rates for university people.


Therefore, I kindly ask you to tell us if you would be interested in
taking part in a "2005 Grimeton longwave meeting". All answers are
without obligations, but we need them in order to help us decide if we
should go on and, if so, the ambition. A first invitation and call for
papers could be sent out in November, 2004.

All views are welcome. Please submit yours by email to the HF04
administrative secretary, Ms Winnie Svensson at AerotechTelub AB, email
, fax +46 470 42042.


For those, who want to look into HF04 and SAQ more closely, I recommend
the websites of
HF04 http://www.nordichf.org
SAQ http://www.alexander.n.se (click Union Jack)
Town of Varberg http://www.varberg.se (click Union Jack)
For SAQ summary in Swedish and pictures see
http://www.raa.se/press/040702.asp (free to download).
For SAQ articles in English see http://hem.passagen.se/sk0mt (0 is a
zero, SKØMT is the call sign of our local amateur radio club, click TSA
logo to proceed, look for Grimeton 2/3 down in the left column).


Well, will we meet in Varberg in June/July 2005? The answer will depend
on you. Thanks for your cooperation,


Carl

-----------------------

Carl-Henrik Walde, HF04 chairman
Secretary of the Swedish National Committee of URSI (Union
Radio-Scientifique Internationale)
, sm5bf@arrl.net>, + 46 70 5916061


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I would be interested in principle. Usually monitor SAQ's annual outing and
tell SM6SAQ on 20m. Often thought I should go there.

Bryan - G3GVB
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Subject: LF: Fw: International longwave meeting Summer 2005 in Sweden (incl
World Heritage Grimeton)?


For your information.
73 de Johan SM6LKM

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Från: Svensson Winnie [mailto:winnie.svensson@aerotechtelub.se]
Skickat: den 7 september 2004 08:10
Till: [....]
Ämne: VB: International longwave meeting Summer 2005 in Sweden (incl
World Heritage Grimeton)?

Hello, longwave (ELF, VLF, LF) people,
----------------
Summary:

Do you want to take part in an international "longwave meeting"? I have
been told that the most recent one was in York, UK, in 1992.

Earlier this year, VLF radio station SAQ in Grimeton was put on the
Unesco World Heritage List.
The meeting would combine present ELF, VLF and LF issues with a visit to
SAQ.

Given sufficient interest, the venue will be on the west coast of
Sweden, in the town of Varberg, from around Thursday June 30 to Saturday
July 2, 2005. The time period should be regarded as fixed.

To go further, we need your advice. Are you interested? If so, please go
along and read the rest of my message.

----------------

Details:

I take this opportunity by email and through websites to query your
possible interest to take part in a "Nordic longwave meeting" on ELF,
VLF and LF communication and navigation systems (whistlers and other
natural phenomena covered by other events). Given sufficient interest,
the venue will be on the west coast of Sweden, in the town of Varberg
and nearby Grimeton, from around Thursday June 30 to Saturday July 2,
2005. There is a reason for these dates and the time period should be
regarded as fixed, provided we get sufficient interest to launch such a
seminar, symposium, or fullfledged conference.


A few weeks ago, the Nordic Radio Society Foundation (NRS) had its 7th
"Nordic Shortwave Conference" HF04 on the exotic island of Fårö in the
Baltic. HF04 comprises VLF issues, albeit the majority is related to HF.
160 participants attended and I devoted my HF04 opening speech to radio
station SAQ in Grimeton that had been added, on July 2 this year, to the
Unesco World Heritage List:

"an exceptionally well preserved monument to early wireless
transatlantic communication. It consists of the transmitter equipment
(i. e. the Alexanderson alternator), including the aerial system of six
127-m high steel towers. Though no longer in regular use, the equipment
has been maintained in operating condition. The site is an outstanding
example of the development of telecommunications and is the only
surviving example of a major transmitting station based on
pre-electronic technology".


That HF04 opening night, I got congratulations for our world heritage
success and people said "now we must go to Grimeton". All of a sudden,
it came to my mind that we ought to organise an international "longwave
meeting" in Varberg so as to combine present ELF, VLF and LF issues with
a visit to nearby vintage SAQ. I got immediate support from industry,
operators and various agencies. As a matter of fact, I was told that the
most recent VLF meeting had been in York, UK, in 1992.

I promised to look into the matter and I have done that:


Varberg is a "Summer Town" and a perfect venue with all facilities
within short walking distance (hotels, youth hostel, campus lecture
halls, railway station, Denmark ferry terminal, parking lots, old castle
and swimming of all sorts, cafés etc etc).

SAQ was inaugurated on July 2, 1925 by King Gustaf V. The new reception
building will be inaugurated on July 2, 2005, celebrating 80 years of
SAQ operation. Then, we hope a royalty will start the alternator to
transmit a "royal message". This will be the perfect final activity of
the "2005 Grimeton longwave meeting". Thus, the dates are fixed and we
have already made a preliminary reservation of hotel rooms. So, please
mark the dates in your calender - now.

So, everything sounds fine, doesn't it? Well, we have all things under
control except money. We doubt that we can find sponsors to cover an
anticipated full conference loss. Do we keep the ambition low
(=seminar)? Will we get a lot participants (=conference)? We know that
we have to keep the fee reasonably normal and we hope to offer lower
rates for university people.


Therefore, I kindly ask you to tell us if you would be interested in
taking part in a "2005 Grimeton longwave meeting". All answers are
without obligations, but we need them in order to help us decide if we
should go on and, if so, the ambition. A first invitation and call for
papers could be sent out in November, 2004.

All views are welcome. Please submit yours by email to the HF04
administrative secretary, Ms Winnie Svensson at AerotechTelub AB, email
, fax +46 470 42042.


For those, who want to look into HF04 and SAQ more closely, I recommend
the websites of
HF04 http://www.nordichf.org
SAQ http://www.alexander.n.se (click Union Jack)
Town of Varberg http://www.varberg.se (click Union Jack)
For SAQ summary in Swedish and pictures see
http://www.raa.se/press/040702.asp (free to download).
For SAQ articles in English see http://hem.passagen.se/sk0mt (0 is a
zero, SKØMT is the call sign of our local amateur radio club, click TSA
logo to proceed, look for Grimeton 2/3 down in the left column).


Well, will we meet in Varberg in June/July 2005? The answer will depend
on you. Thanks for your cooperation,


Carl

-----------------------

Carl-Henrik Walde, HF04 chairman
Secretary of the Swedish National Committee of URSI (Union
Radio-Scientifique Internationale)
, sm5bf@arrl.net>, + 46 70 5916061





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Dear OMs, I am interested in visiting Your LW meeting.
55,
Hans-Albrecht Haffa
DK 8 ND





rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 08.09.04 13:25:11:
> 
> For your information.
> 73 de Johan SM6LKM
> 
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Svensson Winnie [mailto:winnie.svensson@aerotechtelub.se] 
> Skickat: den 7 september 2004 08:10
> Till: [....]
> Ämne: VB: International longwave meeting Summer 2005 in Sweden (incl
> World Heritage Grimeton)?
>  
> Hello, longwave (ELF, VLF, LF) people,
> ----------------
> Summary:
> 
> Do you want to take part in an international "longwave meeting"? I have
> been told that the most recent one was in York, UK, in 1992.
> 
> Earlier this year, VLF radio station SAQ in Grimeton was put on the
> Unesco World Heritage List.
> The meeting would combine present ELF, VLF and LF issues with a visit to
> SAQ.
>  
> Given sufficient interest, the venue will be on the west coast of
> Sweden, in the town of Varberg, from around Thursday June 30 to Saturday
> July 2, 2005. Th

e time period should be regarded as fixed.
> 
> To go further, we need your advice. Are you interested? If so, please go
> along and read the rest of my message.
> 
> ----------------
>  
> Details:
> 
> I take this opportunity by email and through websites to query your
> possible interest to take part in a "Nordic longwave meeting" on ELF,
> VLF and LF communication and navigation systems (whistlers and other
> natural phenomena covered by other events). Given sufficient interest,
> the venue will be on the west coast of Sweden, in the town of Varberg
> and nearby Grimeton, from around Thursday June 30 to Saturday July 2,
> 2005. There is a reason for these dates and the time period should be
> regarded as fixed, provided we get sufficient interest to launch such a
> seminar, symposium, or fullfledged conference.
> 
> 
> A few weeks ago, the Nordic Radio Society Foundation (NRS) had its 7th
> "Nordic Shortwave Conference" HF04 on the exotic island of Fårö in the
> Baltic. HF04 comprises VLF issues, albeit the majority is related to HF.
> 160 participants attended and I devoted my HF04 opening speech to radio
> station SAQ in Grimeton that had been added, on July 2 this year, to the
> Unesco World Heritage List:
> 
> "an exceptionally well preserved monument to early wireless
> transatlantic communication. It consists of the transmitter equipment
> (i. e. the Alexanderson alternator), including the aerial system of six
> 127-m high steel towers. Though no longer in regular use, the equipment
> has been maintained in operating condition. The site is an outstanding
> example of the development of telecommunications and is the only
> surviving example of a major transmitting station based on
> pre-electronic technology".
> 
> 
> That HF04 opening night, I got congratulations for our world heritage
> success and people said "now we must go to Grimeton". All of a sudden,
> it came to my mind that we ought to organise an international "longwave
> meeting" in Varberg so as to combine present ELF, VLF and LF issues with
> a visit to nearby vintage SAQ. I got immediate support from industry,
> operators and various agencies. As a matter of fact, I was told that the
> most recent VLF meeting had been in York, UK, in 1992.
>  
> I promised to look into the matter and I have done that:
>  
>  
> Varberg is a "Summer Town" and a perfect venue with all facilities
> within short walking distance (hotels, youth hostel, campus lecture
> halls, railway station, Denmark ferry terminal, parking lots, old castle
> and swimming of all sorts, cafés etc etc).
> 
> SAQ was inaugurated on July 2, 1925 by King Gustaf V. The new reception
> building will be inaugurated on July 2, 2005, celebrating 80 years of
> SAQ operation. Then, we hope a royalty will start the alternator to
> transmit a "royal message". This will be the perfect final activity of
> the "2005 Grimeton longwave meeting". Thus, the dates are fixed and we
> have already made a preliminary reservation of hotel rooms. So, please
> mark the dates in your calender - now.
> 
> So, everything sounds fine, doesn't it? Well, we have all things under
> control except money. We doubt that we can find sponsors to cover an
> anticipated full conference loss. Do we keep the ambition low
> (=seminar)? Will we get a lot participants (=conference)? We know that
> we have to keep the fee reasonably normal and we hope to offer lower
> rates for university people.
> 
> 
> Therefore, I kindly ask you to tell us if you would be interested in
> taking part in a "2005 Grimeton longwave meeting". All answers are
> without obligations, but we need them in order to help us decide if we
> should go on and, if so, the ambition. A first invitation and call for
> papers could be sent out in November, 2004.
> 
> All views are welcome. Please submit yours by email to the HF04
> administrative secretary, Ms Winnie Svensson at AerotechTelub AB, email
> , fax +46 470 42042.
> 
> 
> For those, who want to look into HF04 and SAQ more closely, I recommend
> the websites of
> HF04 http://www.nordichf.org
> SAQ http://www.alexander.n.se (click Union Jack)
> Town of Varberg http://www.varberg.se (click Union Jack)
> For SAQ summary in Swedish and pictures see
> http://www.raa.se/press/040702.asp (free to download).
> For SAQ articles in English see http://hem.passagen.se/sk0mt (0 is a
> zero, SKØMT is the call sign of our local amateur radio club, click TSA
> logo to proceed, look for Grimeton 2/3 down in the left column).
> 
> 
> Well, will we meet in Varberg in June/July 2005? The answer will depend
> on you. Thanks for your cooperation,
> 
> 
> Carl
> 
> -----------------------
> 
> Carl-Henrik Walde, HF04 chairman
> Secretary of the Swedish National Committee of URSI (Union
> Radio-Scientifique Internationale)
> , sm5bf@arrl.net>, + 46 70 5916061
> 
> 


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On the 5th just a few hours before dawn "TIL" on 137Khz  from Vancouver was 
received here in Oklahoma - around 2600 Kms.

My LF/Hifer grabber services are off line as I call the disks down for an 
hour or two.

XDW may come on QRP this weekend for testing on 137Khz.


Laurence
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Hello Hans-Albrecht,

I am not involved in the planning of this LF meeting, I only forwarded
Carl-Henrik's (SM5BF) message to the LF list. If you are interested,
please contact him directly at the address given at the end of my
forwarded message.

(As far as I know, he is not subscribed to the RSGB LF reflector)

73
Johan SM6LKM

Hans-Albrecht Haffa wrote:

> Dear OMs, I am interested in visiting Your LW meeting.
> 55,
> Hans-Albrecht Haffa
> DK 8 ND



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Hi DJ8WX,


 


I recive you 59 around 136,2 Khz in Roskilde 
Denmark what is your location.


 


Vy 73


 


Ingolf OZ7Qc


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> On the 5th just a few hours before dawn "TIL" on 137Khz  from Vancouver
was
> received here in Oklahoma - around 2600 Kms.

Laurence - this is terrific news! Scott's antenna is a true Part 15 Lowfer
type. One almost has to duck when walking beneath it!

Steve / VE7SL



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Hi,


 


I recive you 59 her at JO65BP 


 


Town Roskilde 30 km west of Copenhagen


 


Vy73


 


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OZ7QC schrieb:
> Hi DJ8WX,
>
> I recive you 59 around 136,2 Khz in Roskilde Denmark what is your location.
>
> Vy 73
>
> Ingolf OZ7Qc

Hi Ingolf,

thanks for the rprt. the QRG is 135,999.9kHz.

the loc is jo43sv. yours is?

BTW. UFO is not on this reflector. try his WEBsites for the email adress.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx





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Hi

139kcs   TBA   -79DB
135.8    SVX   -76.5 on my SPM-12 with 5m Eprobe antenna

QTH KM39cg
73's
Alex

f6agr wrote:
> 
> There is a strong RTTY station just below DCF39 tonite (around 138,650) with
> a 75 Hz shift.
> 
> What is it ?
> 
> 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
> (LF newcomer)



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Nice to see(read) you, gentelmans!
I'l start tonight RX 137.7 QRSS3 with "Argo".
Situated country side, 7km sothern big city Voronezh.
Nothing activity here...
DCF39 copy 52db over noise.
Strong RTTY 138.650 also copy 6-10db over DCF39.
Using FT-840, FET preamplifier BF998 2m loop. Also Inverted-L 14m vertical
60m horisontal.
May be, will made some TX test during September.
73! Vlad. RX3QFM (KO91oo)

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: LF: RTTY around 137,650 at 19:30 UTC


> Hi
>
> 139kcs   TBA   -79DB
> 135.8    SVX   -76.5 on my SPM-12 with 5m Eprobe antenna
>
> QTH KM39cg
> 73's
> Alex
>
> f6agr wrote:
> >
> > There is a strong RTTY station just below DCF39 tonite (around 138,650)
with
> > a 75 Hz shift.
> >
> > What is it ?
> >
> > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
> > (LF newcomer)
>
>
>


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I dont think Johan is connected with the organisation, and the site for the
HF version looks very academic and narrowly focussed on GPS and Cell-fone
technology. You would be better to try and arrange a camping trip when the
aniversary transmission in July is scheduled, where there is an amateur
content.
Alan


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>
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Hej Uwe,

Sory for the late reply but I have being away, my locator is JO65BP
30 km west of Copenhagen in the Town Roskilde.
What is your output and construction.

Vy 73
Ingolf OZ7QC

----- Original Message ----- 
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> OZ7QC schrieb:
> > Hi DJ8WX,
> >
> > I recive you 59 around 136,2 Khz in Roskilde Denmark what is your
location.
> >
> > Vy 73
> >
> > Ingolf OZ7Qc
>
> Hi Ingolf,
>
> thanks for the rprt. the QRG is 135,999.9kHz.
>
> the loc is jo43sv. yours is?
>
> BTW. UFO is not on this reflector. try his WEBsites for the email adress.
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
>
>
>



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Better conditions overnite 9/10th with clearly audible strength signals from 
dcf39 at around 7900 Kms, hope this continues to hold for the weekends 
tests.

Scotts Ve7tils' TIL  dot 60 @ 2600Kms coming thru again  for a very short 
(1.5 cycles of call) around 5am local here in Oklahoma which is great to 
see.

I didnt hear the rtty from cfh last nite, and nothing seen from the NE 
States/NA stations. Erics' DFCW XFX continues to be CW audible here for most 
of the day.

My main bulding  breaker box is being replaced today as it was "getting a 
little hot" so the Hifer/LF captures will be off for while - better that 
than come home to a real fire..

XDW beacon is uncovered, sitting on the bench, and the FETS are looking 
pensive.

Laurence em26aq
Bartlesville ok
ts870s tuned 300ft circum loop E/W
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Hi Joe and group,

copied VO1NA last night here in Germany. The picture contains the
signal 0358z-0430z.

Joe, was the used power 10W or 100W at that time?
  

regards

 Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
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OZ7QC schrieb:
> Hej Uwe,
>
> Sory for the late reply but I have being away, my locator is JO65BP
> 30 km west of Copenhagen in the Town Roskilde.
> What is your output and construction.
>
> Vy 73
> Ingolf OZ7QC
>

Hej Ingolf,

jeg kender Roskilde fra "Rock-festivalen" og ferie. 

meg TX: ver sa god og se WEB side 
>qsl.net/dj8wx/My second transmitter.htm<

but this is a UK reflector, I should have written it in english.

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx





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Hi Hartmut.

Thank-you for the trace of my sigs.  It looked as if
reception was improving towards 0430.  The 100W
TX was in use at the time and will remain on for several
days.

Cheers
Joe

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> Hi Joe and group,
>
> copied VO1NA last night here in Germany. The picture contains the
> signal 0358z-0430z.
>
> Joe, was the used power 10W or 100W at that time?
>
>
> regards
>
>  Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
>  Locator: JO52HO


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Joe,

I'm seeing a little of your signal on CT1DRP's captures tonight. 

John A.


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Hi John and thanks for the info. When I checked last night, there
was no sign of the signals.
Looks like Alan is right again in his forcast of better condx.

Thanks to Brian for this very useful service.

Cheers
Joe

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, John Andrews wrote:

> Joe,
>
> I'm seeing a little of your signal on CT1DRP's captures tonight.
>
> John A.
>
>
>


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Joe,
stronger signal here tonight too. Copied the QRSS30 signal
0000z-0130z, 0300z-0430z. The attachement shows 0230z-0330z with a
QRSS15 signal starting at 0230z. No signs noted between 0130z and
0230z.


Hartmut Wolff                  mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de


> Hi John and thanks for the info. When I checked last night, there
> was no sign of the signals.
> Looks like Alan is right again in his forcast of better condx.

> Thanks to Brian for this very useful service.

> Cheers
> Joe

> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004, John Andrews wrote:

>> Joe,
>>
>> I'm seeing a little of your signal on CT1DRP's captures tonight.
>>
>> John A.
>>
>>
>>
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CFH pounding in here tonight. Seems to be idling the same as CKN was earlier
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In a message dated 11/09/2004 01:54:16 GMT Standard Time, jcraig@mun.ca 
writes:


> Hi 
  Joe and group,
>
> copied VO1NA last night here in Germany. The 
  picture contains the
> signal 0358z-0430z.




Hmmmm.   10th Sept 04 is the 4th anniversary of the first 
amateur 136k getting across to NA.


( 136k to 20m crossband QSO)


Seems it's the start of the season.


 


73


 


David


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The 160m band condx are a good guide to 137 khz and 
yesterday evening was good. Early evening worked easterly as far as 4X4 and UA4 
but did not hear any UA9/0 stns. I went QRT about 2000z and probably missed 
JA and beyond. 


I expect early morning the W stns would 
active.


I did not listen on LF, only interested if 
something new starts up. 


73 de  Mal/G3KEV


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WOW :-D 


-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI



hamilton mal wrote:



  
  
  
  
The 160m band condx are a good guide
to 137 khz and yesterday evening was good. Early evening worked
easterly as far as 4X4 and UA4 but did not hear any UA9/0 stns. I went
QRT about 2000z and probably missed JA and beyond. 

  
I expect early morning the W stns
would active.

  
I did not listen on LF, only
interested if something new starts up. 

  
73 de  Mal/G3KEV










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Good condx last night agn on 160 metres, VQ9LA 
569 on 1822 CW at 1805z.


Had a couple of nice QSO'S also with ex LF ops. 
EI0CF and SM6PXJ. 


73 de Mal/G3KEV


 


 


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Hi Rino,


 


I recive you 59 her at JO65BP very stron signal 
this eveningin the


town Roskilde 30 km west of 
Copenhagen.


 


Vy73


 


Ingolf 
OZ7QC


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Hi Ingolg try reino's direct Email as I think he may not watch the
reflector....or maybe he is a silent watcher. His direct address as I last
have it is
Reino (OH1TN)
E-mail Address(es):
  ufo@surfeu.fi

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Re:OH5UFO


Hi Rino,

I recive you 59 her at JO65BP very stron signal this eveningin the
town Roskilde 30 km west of Copenhagen.

Vy73

Ingolf OZ7QC



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Dear LF Group,

Things seem to be picking up a bit on LF, with the summertime QRN tailing
off a bit - today was quite quiet, with several stations QRV; I worked
G3YXM, G3AQC, F6BWO, DJ1RL in CW, and also DK7FC/P - Stefan was a good 569
signal here, but said he was experiencing bad receiving conditions, so my
signals were being received by DL3FDO and relayed to DK7FC/P via 2m. Stefan
says he will be QRV again in 2 weeks, hopefully with better RX antenna. I
also heard G3XDV sending QRSS, plus another unidentified station sending
"TEST" in DFCW. Later on, I worked G4WGT in QRSS3, followed by OH5UFO,
starting with QRSS and finishing in CW.

I had good copy of VO1NA on Friday night about 0000utc, but pressed the
wrong button on the PC and didn't record any images. Saturday night was very
poor, with a great deal of QRN wiping out everything. Tonight seems to be
better though.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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thought id share....Jim - glad that good conditions are on their way across 
the pond!

Laurence

>From: "Laurence KL1X" 
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>CC: Alan.Melia@btinternet.com
>Subject: RE: [LW] 'TIL' now QRSS30
>Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 04:47:18 -0800
>
>A poorer night here in Okie especially pre-dawn with no "lift" seen, and 
>eerily quiet..
>XES was visible most of the night but deep qsb at times, but nowt apart 
>from an occasionaly blotch from TIL. Long Haul Loran lines which mimics TIL 
>reception here were missing.
>XFX - nice ground and sky wave mixture.
>DCF39 was just audible CW strength on peaks but long qsb periods and faded 
>out at Eu dawn around 0532z - a few dBs stronger on peaks than yesterday.
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>Laurence
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Does anyone have the current status of RTZ on 
50KHz?


 


I copied this on about ~49.972KHz around 2300 
UTC


 




 


According to stuff I find on the web it should ID 
ar 5min past the hour...  We haven't heard it do that...


 


Any thoughts?


 


73 Scott


 


Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio


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DCF39 is at audible at CW strength here this evening at dusk - and is the 
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Looking and listening 137.570.5- 137.576 and 137.775-137.781

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Dear LF Group,

Best copy so far this "season" of VO1NA at around 0500utc this morning - see
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Was busy most of the weekend, though I managed a 
couple of CW CQs and one on QRSS3.

Stations heard were much the same as reported by 
M0BMU, with the addition of DK7SU (439) and some 
DFCW from G3YXM.

Replied to several CQs by DK7FC/P but no reply.

Detailed activity log at:
http://www.lf.thersgb.net

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G0MRF wrote:
> Hmmmm.   10th Sept 04 is the 4th anniversary of the first  amateur 136k 
> getting across to NA.
> ( 136k to 20m crossband QSO)
> Seems it's the start of the season.

I notice that my antenna current has increased by 10% this 
week after a stable period, presumably because the sap is 
receding from the tree tops.

Mike, G3XDV
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Last night at about 2330UTC, I heard an odd noise near 
137.0kHz at S9. It had faded out by this morning. I noticed 
the same thing quite weak several morning ago at 0730, but 
assumed it was was local noise. Was it CFH? If so, it was 
alarmingly broad.

See attached Argogram.

Mike, G3XDV
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Hi Mike, yes that is CFH, It has been active with occasional "offs" for
about a week now, with this multiple sub-carrier type system. It looks from
your pic as though there was data on the lowest "channel" last night.
Previous nights and certainly when it first appeared here last night it was
just the lines. I have a plot of last night, and whilst there was a lot of
deep fading in the middle of the night the level reached an almost record
peak of over 40dBuV here at one stage before dawn. The plot will be posted
to my propagation page soon. I think out Trans-Atlantic friends are
beginning to suffer from its "spread" like some stations suffer the effects
of Lessay, Sylt and DCF39 in Europe.
It does confirm that conditions are quite good at the moment and improving,
but there is a cloud on the horizon as there was an M5 flare early
yesterday.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com
www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dennison" 
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Subject: LF: CFH?


> Last night at about 2330UTC, I heard an odd noise near
> 137.0kHz at S9. It had faded out by this morning. I noticed
> the same thing quite weak several morning ago at 0730, but
> assumed it was was local noise. Was it CFH? If so, it was
> alarmingly broad.
>
> See attached Argogram.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========




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Hello Jim and LF Group,

Evidently conditions are quite good. The blur from the
5 WPM transmission before the dot 30 was clearly visible in
Jim's screen capture.

Best make the most of it.  According to Alan, there was a
flare and the favourable propagation could end soon.

Joe

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, James Moritz wrote:

> Dear LF Group,
>
> Best copy so far this "season" of VO1NA at around 0500utc this morning - see
> attachment.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>


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Definately the best night since last Spring for long haul NE/SW - DCF39 2 
7900Kms was audible for many hours and faded at 0646Z with strengths that 
would have probably supported signal capture from 137Khz stations. Radio 4 
UK on 198Khz speech was audible between the qrn, and 252Khz carrier was 
there but no speech decode.

XES was good too but still nothing from Vo1na; he might be in the null for 
the loop but nothing on the K9AY either in that direction.

TIL was only (just) Argo  detectable for about 30 mins and no ID captured.

Ive posted a couple of shots of the high current atu which is in the final 
stages of build out on the web site...big soldering iron jobby.

Ill continue to log 137Khz from about 1 hour before dusk, and logging Hifers 
during the daytime, until Wednesday and beyond  when Ill leave the radios on 
+24hr remote for the 137Khz South American/EU tests. Ill be in Seattle WA 
over the weekend..

Laurence
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Alan Melia wrote:

>Hi Ingolg try reino's direct Email as I think he may not watch the
>reflector....or maybe he is a silent watcher. His direct address as I last
>have it is
>Reino (OH1TN)
>E-mail Address(es):
>  ufo@surfeu.fi
>
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
The last one used [and worked] was
oh5ufo@mbnet.fi

73 de Ko, NL9222


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Here in Germany I had some problems with the QRN last night.

Very good copy of VO1NA in QRSS30 0000-0515. For copying the 5wpm mode
the QRN was to high. Between 2200-2300z I captured something like a
digital mode on 137.777. I don't know what this was.

On 137779.0/779.2 I had a very weak copy of XES. Saw XES better in
May earlier this year.

On 137700 I saw QSOs OH5UFO/F6BWO and OH5UFO/M0BMU around 2000-2100z.
M0BMU was here around 32dB above the noise level. Outstanding signal!

73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho




> Definately the best night since last Spring for long haul NE/SW - DCF39 2 
> 7900Kms was audible for many hours and faded at 0646Z with strengths that 
> would have probably supported signal capture from 137Khz stations. Radio 4 
> UK on 198Khz speech was audible between the qrn, and 252Khz carrier was 
> there but no speech decode.

> XES was good too but still nothing from Vo1na; he might be in the null for 
> the loop but nothing on the K9AY either in that direction.

> TIL was only (just) Argo  detectable for about 30 mins and no ID captured.

> Ive posted a couple of shots of the high current atu which is in the final 
> stages of build out on the web site...big soldering iron jobby.

> Ill continue to log 137Khz from about 1 hour before dusk, and logging Hifers 
> during the daytime, until Wednesday and beyond  when Ill leave the radios on 
> +24hr remote for the 137Khz South American/EU tests. Ill be in Seattle WA 
> over the weekend..

> Laurence
> em26aq
> http://myweb.cableone.net/flow

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Hi Ko,

Thanks for info, he did responded a week ago but I will try him direct.

Vy 73

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> Alan Melia wrote:
>
> >Hi Ingolg try reino's direct Email as I think he may not watch the
> >reflector....or maybe he is a silent watcher. His direct address as I
last
> >have it is
> >Reino (OH1TN)
> >E-mail Address(es):
> >  ufo@surfeu.fi
> >
> >Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> >
> The last one used [and worked] was
> oh5ufo@mbnet.fi
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> 73 de Ko, NL9222
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Dear all.

Superb reception of Joe last night all the way through, good peak at 02:30
and this even-better one from 05:30.

The grabber is running..

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Posted on behalf of John, who is having access problems. Alan G3NYK
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All, a reminder that once again the RSGB HF & IOTA Convention is being held
"down south" after its foray into the northern parts last year.  If you
haven't seen the programme, take a look at the website
http://www.rsgb-hfc.org.uk, where there are links to details about the
programme.  You will see that as was normal over many years, when the
convention was run in the Windsor area, there will be a significant LF
presence on the programme as well as a demo station and stand in the
exhibition area.  I hope that we will see many of the UK LFers, as well as
some of the overseas ones at the event.

Grateful, too if those amongst the LF community would give thought to the
Nevada Cup, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/Nevadacup.htm, as the
nomination date for this year's award is next Monday (20th Sept).  This is a
highly prized award as a new cup is generously sponsored each year by Nevada
Communications.  Nominations please to me by e-mail- NOT the reflector!

John, G3WKL
g3wkl@btinternet.com





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WD2XES will be sending "XES" in DFCW60 on 137.779 kHz tonight. Transmitter
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Part 5 WD2XDW is testing as XDW qrss 30 with CW ID at beginning at 6 wpm on 
137.7750. Tx power is 80 W input with about 5A Aerial current into the E/W 
loop for the moment. The loop is I think 14 gauge stranded with a circum of 
around 300 ft - so we can improve there I think.

Tx is G0MRF 300Watter driven by W@G PS30 at twice Fo using On7YD QRSS 
software

Conditions started more poorly and I havent seen dcf39 yet...

Ill leave the tx up all night and hope it doesnt rain!


Laurence
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Laurence,

Rain doesn't bother the tuning on a TX loop like it does on a vertical. 
Only wind will make the tuning move around but still not too bad. Nice 
to hear another fellow looper. Try #8 THHN wire for your loop as it will 
increase the current quite a bit over #14 wire. Still with 5a of loop 
current, you should get a signal all over NA. I ran .7a of loop current 
and could get over 1000 miles with QRSS-30 on a #12 loop.

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Laurence KL1X wrote:

> Part 5 WD2XDW is testing as XDW qrss 30 with CW ID at beginning at 6 
> wpm on 137.7750. Tx power is 80 W input with about 5A Aerial current 
> into the E/W loop for the moment. The loop is I think 14 gauge 
> stranded with a circum of around 300 ft - so we can improve there I 
> think.
>
> Tx is G0MRF 300Watter driven by W@G PS30 at twice Fo using On7YD QRSS 
> software
>
> Conditions started more poorly and I havent seen dcf39 yet...
>
> Ill leave the tx up all night and hope it doesnt rain!
>
>
> Laurence
> em26aq



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Is this a horizontal loop or vertical  please?

G3GVB  Bryan

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. The loop is I think 14 gauge stranded with a circum of
> around 300 ft - so we can improve there I think.
>
> > Ill leave the tx up all night and hope it doesnt rain!
>
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I think Laurence is sleeping now but it most likely is a vertical loop.


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Is this a horizontal loop or vertical  please?

G3GVB  Bryan

----- Original Message -----
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. The loop is I think 14 gauge stranded with a circum of
  

  

    
around 300 ft - so we can improve there I think.

    

    

      
Ill leave the tx up all night and hope it doesnt rain!
      

    

    
Laurence
em26aq


    

  

  



  










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50ft up vertical ish.. 100 long, but not exactly symmetrical and nests right 
into the trees with no insulators except at the bottom where the horizontal 
section is sprung loaded to keep it taut and out of the reach of 
people/horns of critters.

cheers - Laurence


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>Is this a horizontal loop or vertical  please?
>
>G3GVB  Bryan
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Arrrr Mates,,, the shield of old Coax,,, RG 8 ,,11,, whatever
should work pretty good

Bob  K3DJC


On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:03:56 -0500 WE0H Mike 
writes:
> Laurence,
> 
> Rain doesn't bother the tuning on a TX loop like it does on a 
> vertical. 
> Only wind will make the tuning move around but still not too bad. 
> Nice 
> to hear another fellow looper. Try #8 THHN wire for your loop as it 
> will 
> increase the current quite a bit over #14 wire. Still with 5a of 
> loop 
> current, you should get a signal all over NA. I ran .7a of loop 
> current 
> and could get over 1000 miles with QRSS-30 on a #12 loop.
> 
> -- 
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XGI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Laurence KL1X wrote:
> 
> > Part 5 WD2XDW is testing as XDW qrss 30 with CW ID at beginning at 
> 6 
> > wpm on 137.7750. Tx power is 80 W input with about 5A Aerial 
> current 
> > into the E/W loop for the moment. The loop is I think 14 gauge 
> > stranded with a circum of around 300 ft - so we can improve there 
> I 
> > think.
> >
> > Tx is G0MRF 300Watter driven by W@G PS30 at twice Fo using On7YD 
> QRSS 
> > software
> >
> > Conditions started more poorly and I havent seen dcf39 yet...
> >
> > Ill leave the tx up all night and hope it doesnt rain!
> >
> >
> > Laurence
> > em26aq
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Dear LF Group,


 


I am  away on Holiday for the next 10 days, so 
will not be QRV this weekend for the DL activity - However, I am taking a 
portable RX with me, and hope to do some LF listening on the west coast of 
Scotland.


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


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Hi all,


 


There will be no LF QRSS beacon transmission from 
ZL6QH Quartz Hill this weekend.  The next booking for LF tests is late 
December.


 


73, Bob ZL2CA


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Dear Lowfers,
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Please see Our Homepage  www.darc.de/distrikte/p/41/ or search with google:  "DARC    P41" .

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Hi all, I am not sure but I expect many of you will have received a card
that Mainline in Leicester has opened a web-site for the sale of the
"surplus" (rather than their standard line) stock. One or two interesting
items I found are

38-2670  Ferrite rod 20mm diam by 150mm long, this is really a "bulked up"
aerial rod !! I dont know what they are for but there are 6 slots along the
length...could it be to reduce eddy currents ?? I dont think they are
intended for a winding. I haven't looked at the permiability yet, but I
guess they might be better than using a "bundle" of smaller rods, as I do in
a 35mm diam solenoid. One thought is that it would be easy to trap a drive
cord in them for a permiability tuned inductor.

48-1285 ...is a small toroid about 15mm od and 8mm wide....12 turns gives
940uH so they would be quite useful as chokes and transformers on LF gear
low power stages, or QRP. 8 for £1

40 -1511 is a 1.5mH choke with a resistance of about 1.5ohms about TOKO coil
size and at 10p each very much cheaper, for RX filters. 10 for £1

40-3077 is an 8.2mH choke, (mine measures 7.98mH) in the same format as the
one above and a resistance of about 9 ohms. This could be useful for passive
audio filters ...a bargain at 14 for £1

There are also a number of toroids up to 35mm diameter but no information on
the mixes, so you has to "buy and try" Most are reasonably priced compared
with say RS prices. If you find a useful one...let ME know !! Do Watch Out
there are a few howlers 40-2967 is described as a 6.8mH inductor whereas it
says plainly on the item (when you buy it) 6.8uH . 40-3081 is described as a
"choke" and is actually the same item 6.8uH inductor, even has the same part
number on it (Mainline have been advised)

The site is at www.mainlinegroup.co.uk click for surplus and then catalogue.
There are lots other of goodies there for the constructor. The usual
disclaimer...my only connection is as a satisfied customer !!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com




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Dear Alan, LF group


 


Art. 38-2670 Ferrite rod is interesting. The six 
slots act as a gutter for the connecting wires. Material is 3A10, permeability 
about 350 only usable for receiving purposes.


 I used it once for a permeability tuned 
inductance in an ATU, but the rod became very hot so satuation field seems to be 
rather low.


 It behaves excellent for LF 
receiving.


 


Toroids can vary in AL values from 2 to 10,000 or 
even more.


 The lowest are iron dust cores and can be 
used for ATU's and receiver tuning circuits.


 As ferrite type toroids have no air gap 
permeability is rather temperature dependent, so dont use them in passive 
filters.


 The high AL value items are intended for RFI 
suppression.


 For HF baluns only the low AL types are 
useable.


 General rules for colour coding cannot be 
given as each manufacturer has its own system of coding .


 


 AL can be measured for instance by 
winding ten turns and then measure the inductance. AL = nanoH per turn 
squared.


 


 Best greetings from Harry, 
PA0LQ.


 


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Hi all, some more information on the ferrites and a question.

The Ginormous ferrite rod is quite spectacular. My solenoid, a 6in long coil
on 35mm waste pipe (abt 400t) measures 1.32mH, with a 10mm by 100m ferrite
rod inserted to flush with one end of the coil (so not in the middle for the
max) the inductance is raised to 3.25mH, with the big slotted ferrite the
fully inserted the inductance becomes 10.8mH. From memory with a bundle of
about 6 of the smaller rods I could only reach about 7mH.

The wrongly described choke mentioned in the earlier message is wound with
about 24 turns of a stranded, maybe litz, wire about 2mm o.d..  I decided as
the bobbin had a fair winding area that I would try winding it with a
smaller diameter wire, to increase to inductance. I then realised that the
"pedestal" that the coil was sitting on was not plastic but was in fact a
small permanent magnet !! Now the question....as I am not up in switched
mode PSU design....is it normal to magnetical "bias" ferrite inductors?? If
so what would be the reason?? is it to cancel the magnetic (saturating)
effect of the direct current the inductor may have to carry? If so would not
the winding have to be "polarised". These bobbins, with the permanent magnet
would sit nicely in the jaws of an electromagnet, making an electrically
tuned inductor perhaps.

P.S for the RX builders Order code 12-0274 is the GEC-Plessey SL6440 high
performance mixer, mis-described as a "complete radio IF chip". These are
very good performance double balanced mixers (Gilbert cell I think) as used
in the AOR 7030, and many high end receivers.( I think they mixed it up with
the SL644/1644 which is an FM IF chip.) These are very hard to get these
days and although a little old now,  can only be outshone by the likes of
Colin Horrabin's H-mixer, I believe.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK





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On Thursday 16 September 2004 00:12, Alan Melia wrote:


>
> P.S for the RX builders Order code 12-0274 is the GEC-Plessey
> SL6440 high performance mixer, mis-described as a "complete radio
> IF chip". These are very good performance double balanced mixers
> (Gilbert cell I think) as used in the AOR 7030, and many high end
> receivers.( I think they mixed it up with the SL644/1644 which is
> an FM IF chip.) These are very hard to get these days and although
> a little old now,  can only be outshone by the likes of Colin
> Horrabin's H-mixer, I believe.
>

SL6440 is a good mixer, low IMD but high noise. For HF receiver it 
require a preamplifier also for 7 MHz band.

73 de Claudio, ik2pii
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Alan said:
>
> 38-2670  Ferrite rod 20mm diam by 150mm long, this is really a "bulked up"
> aerial rod !! I dont know what they are for but there are 6 slots along 
> the
> length...could it be to reduce eddy currents ?? I dont think they are
> intended for a winding. I haven't looked at the permiability yet, but I
> guess they might be better than using a "bundle" of smaller rods, as I do 
> in
> a 35mm diam solenoid. One thought is that it would be easy to trap a drive
> cord in them for a permiability tuned inductor.
>
MMG-Neosid, describe these rods "fluted", although they don't do them as 
large in diameter as 20mm. They are sold as "Antenna Rods", but no 
explanation is given in the catalogue for the flutes. When I tried using 
ferrite rods at high power, i.e. TX not RX, I found that the ferrite heated 
up directly under the windings, the flutes might help reduce this.

73
Hugh M0WYE



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lw2etu" 
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Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: Tx for SA


> Hello to all.
>
> The next Saturday 19 of September I am going to do a new from
> Avellaneda test broadcast.  For who they can listen me southern from
> america,
> or some super ear of any another part of the world.  The data are:
>
> Start: sat18 15hs utc
>
> Frec: 137422,0Hz +/- 0.2Hz
> Mode: qrss30
> Ant: 100m wire
> Po: 120W
>
> Stop: 15hs utc SU19
>
> Any report or question QRV.
> Thanks.
>
> The argentinian group of LF is http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/136k/
>
>
> Saludos...............................................
>
Marcelo-LW2ETU
>
> www.qsl.net/lw2etu
>
> http://ca.geocities.com/lw2etu_137/
>
>



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Hola Hans,

                Gracias por escribir en español. Muy interesante tu nueva
transmisora. Yo tengo problemas para conseguir el
nucleo del transformador de salida. Estoy usando un nucleo de flayback de TV
que funciona, pero calienta un poco.
Me gustaría saber las frecuencias y horarios que van a trabajar Ustedes este
fin de semana. Yo tengo QRM
en mi RX pero quizas pueda mejorar algo y probaré escucharlos.


Saludos...............................................
                                                             Marcelo-LW2ETU

www.qsl.net/lw2etu
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:30 PM
Subject: LF: Tx for SA, from DK 8 ND


> Qerido Marcelo,
> gracias por las informaciones, que ahora sabemos en Europa, que Ustedes en
Argentina hacen experimentos en la banda 136k.  En el mismo fin de semana
nuestgro grupo del club de aficcionados es activo de 12.00 UTC (GMT, Z).
18/19 de settiembre, 12.00 - 12.00 UTC.
> Mis construcciones: Una nueva estacion transmisora de 60 dbm/ 60 Ohm clase
D .
>
>
>
> Please have a look on the homepage of Our Club section:
>
> www.darc.de/distrikte/p/41
> or just try with google.com: DARC P41
>
>
>
> Saludos cordiales, 55
> Hans-Albrecht,
> DK 8 ND
>
>
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 02.09.04 23:05:41:
> >
> > Hello to all.
> >
> > The next Saturday 19 of September I am going to do a new from
> > Avellaneda test broadcast.  For who they can listen me southern from
> > america,
> > or some super ear of any another part of the world.  The data are:
> >
> > Start: sat18 15hs utc
> >
> > Frec: 137422,0Hz +/- 0.2Hz
> > Mode: qrss30
> > Ant: 100m wire
> > Po: 120W
> >
> > Stop: 15hs utc SU19
> >
> > Any report or question QRV.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > The argentinian group of LF is http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/136k/
> >
> >
> > Saludos...............................................
> >
Marcelo-LW2ETU
> >
> > www.qsl.net/lw2etu
> >
> > http://ca.geocities.com/lw2etu_137/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ____________________________________________________
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>



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Thanks Bob.  I hope someone can listen me.
A hug.


Saludos...............................................
                                                             Marcelo-LW2ETU

www.qsl.net/lw2etu
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Marcelo LW2ETU,
>
> I'll check for your signal, and I'm sure some other ZLs would also listen
> out.  For ZL it means running a longer transmission time than if you were
> thinking only of DX testing over Atlantic paths.
>
> Good luck.
>
> 73, Bob ZL2CA
>
>
>



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To All from PA0SE


Claudio, IK2PII wrote:


SL6440 is a good mixer, low IMD but high noise. For HF
receiver it 

require a preamplifier also for 7 MHz band.


I don't agree.  I my own homemade transceiver (see RadCom,
Technical Topics, October 2004) I use the SL6440 as the first and second
mixer.

Between the antenna and the first mixer is a fixed tuned Cohn  bandpass
filter with four tuned circuits for each of the bands 10 - 160 m (9 in
total). The insertion loss of these filters depends on the band selected
and is 2.2dB on 10m.

I find that with a good antenna a preamplifier is only required on 10 and
12m in order to make the noise from outside override the receiver
noise.


73, Dick, PA0SE


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Although I have not used the device, I am pleased that Dick is another who 
believes in selective filtering in rx front ends. This "modern" trend towards 
broadband/octave filters in the per-mixer stages of receivers I have always, 
instinctively, shied away from. It has always seemed logical to me that the 
ideal situation for any mixer device is that it is presented with the minimum 
number of signals with which to deal viz the local oscillator (low noise, 
stable, undistorted) and the wanted signal (ideally stripped of all unwanted 
"other noise" by selective filtering). Perhaps the ultimate aim is a rx in which 
true " single signal" processing is achieved from antenna to demodulated output 
in a single step (and yes! I have heard of DC receivers but yeucccch!)


 


73


g4gvw


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Dear group

everyone qrv in BPSK31 ?


My    locator JO53PO,   PWR  10...30mW 

73  Eberhard
  DL3ZID



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Dear LF Group,

I have been considering purchasing the SRA-8 for the first mixer in
a new LF receiver I am designing. This is a passive DBM and is
fairly expensive.  Would I be better off using an SL6440?

73
Joe



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In a message dated 17/09/2004 14:14:54 GMT Standard Time, jcraig@mun.ca 
writes:


Dear LF 
  Group,

I have been considering purchasing the SRA-8 for the first mixer 
  in
a new LF receiver I am designing. This is a passive DBM and is
fairly 
  expensive.  Would I be better off using an 
  SL6440?

73
Joe




If it's strong signal performance you are looking for ( small sig + CFH) 
then perhaps an H mode switching mixer would be a good choice.  The IP3 and 
balance should be spectacular at <1000 kHz.


 


73


 


David


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Querido Marcelo,
nosotros trabajaremos en cw en 136,50 kHz, en qrss3 en 137,70 kHz. Usaremos en onda corta la frequencia 7021 kHz (cw solamente).  QARSS probablemente de 18.00h UTC (GMT, Z) hasta media noche, despues trabajaremos en banda 160m y 80 m.

Si se calienta el nucleo del transformador flyback, usa mas recordos. Sie no caben, toma el nucleo mas grande. Por favor calcule la induccion con la tension mas alta des uso, Yo recomiendo en 136 kHz B=50 mT...80 mT, y una densidad de corriente de 2...4 A/mm2.  Es mejor usar un nucleo sin espacio de aire, si es possible, saque lo del transformador flyback ( mover estos pedazitos aisladoras, que separan los dos partes del nucleo). Yo uso un nucleo toroide de 62mm diametro para 100W/60R, y tres nucleos uno sobre el otro de 62mm*31mm*20mm para 60 dbm. Pero bien para la construccion son nucleos tipo ETD (ETD49...ETD59) aunque caros,  no se necesita la construccion de partes propios para fijar las en la placa. Se puede usar cualquier material magnetico con una permeabilidad relativa de 200...3000, o sea de SIEMENS (Infineon, Tycos) N27, N47, N67 o las materiales  K1  o  K12. Muy buenos son nucleos que se ponen sobre cables  para evitar TVI, BCI de computadoras, (permeabilidad rel
ativa ur~ 1000), para las transformadores de entrada y nucleos para medir  el SWR.

55, 73,  Hans-Albrecht


rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 16.09.04 13:42:47:
> 
> Hola Hans,
> 
>                 Gracias por escribir en español. Muy interesante tu nueva
> transmisora. Yo tengo problemas para conseguir el
> nucleo del transformador de salida. Estoy usando un nucleo de flayback de TV
> que funciona, pero calienta un poco.
> Me gustaría saber las frecuencias y horarios que van a trabajar Ustedes este
> fin de semana. Yo tengo QRM
> en mi RX pero quizas pueda mejorar algo y probaré escucharlos.
> 
> 
> Saludos...............................................
>                                                              Marcelo-LW2ETU
> 
> www.qsl.net/lw2etu
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:30 PM
> Subject: LF: Tx for SA, from DK 8 ND
> 
> 
> > Qerido Marcelo,
> > gracias por las informaciones, que ahora sabemos en Europa, que Ustedes en
> Argentina hacen experimentos en la banda 136k.  En el mismo fin de semana
> nuestgro grupo del club de aficcionados es activo de 12.00 UTC (GMT, Z).
> 18/19 de settiembre, 12.00 - 12.00 UTC.
> > Mis construcciones: Una nueva estacion transmisora de 60 dbm/ 60 Ohm clase
> D .
> >
> >
> >
> > Please have a look on the homepage of Our Club section:
> >
> > www.darc.de/distrikte/p/41
> > or just try with google.com: DARC P41
> >
> >
> >
> > Saludos cordiales, 55
> > Hans-Albrecht,
> > DK 8 ND
> >
> >
> > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 02.09.04 23:05:41:
> > >
> > > Hello to all.
> > >
> > > The next Saturday 19 of September I am going to do a new from
> > > Avellaneda test broadcast.  For who they can listen me southern from
> > > america,
> > > or some super ear of any another part of the world.  The data are:
> > >
> > > Start: sat18 15hs utc
> > >
> > > Frec: 137422,0Hz +/- 0.2Hz
> > > Mode: qrss30
> > > Ant: 100m wire
> > > Po: 120W
> > >
> > > Stop: 15hs utc SU19
> > >
> > > Any report or question QRV.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > The argentinian group of LF is http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/136k/
> > >
> > >
> > > Saludos...............................................
> > >
> Marcelo-LW2ETU
> > >
> > > www.qsl.net/lw2etu
> > >
> > > http://ca.geocities.com/lw2etu_137/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________
> > Aufnehmen, abschicken, nah sein - So einfach ist
> > WEB.DE Video-Mail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021200
> >
> >
> 
> 


____________________________________________________
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I have used to SRA-8 in an LF receiver and found no problems whatsoever 
with signal handling.  It is a standard level 7 mixer, (optimised for 7dBm 
Lo drive) so will have a 3rd order output intercept around teh 17 to 20dBm 
mark.  From what I recall of teh SL6440 it had a comparable 
performance.  I had quite a few used SRA-8 devices from a surplus 
source, but certainly woulkdn't dream of buying one when there are many better 
mixers around much cheaper.


 


 I did once make some measurements using an FST3125 bus switch in 
a simple a double balanced mixer.  At 10MHz measured an IP3 
figure near to 40dBm - seriously better.


 


Andy  G4JNT


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:57 
  PM

  
Subject: Re: LF: SL6440 / mixers

  


  

  
In a message dated 17/09/2004 14:14:54 GMT Standard Time, jcraig@mun.ca writes:

  
Dear 
    LF Group,

I have been considering purchasing the SRA-8 for the first 
    mixer in
a new LF receiver I am designing. This is a passive DBM and 
    is
fairly expensive.  Would I be better off using an 
    SL6440?

73
Joe

  

  
If it's strong signal performance you are looking for ( small sig + CFH) 
  then perhaps an H mode switching mixer would be a good choice.  The IP3 
  and balance should be spectacular at <1000 kHz.

  
 

  
73

  
 

  
David


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Craig" 
To: "LF-Group" 
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SL6440


> Dear LF Group,
>
> I have been considering purchasing the SRA-8 for the first mixer in
> a new LF receiver I am designing. This is a passive DBM and is
> fairly expensive.  Would I be better off using an SL6440?
>
> 73
> Joe
>
Hello!
I have succesfully used the SL6440 mixer in two LF receivers.
First, this active mixer is, although being a bit noisier than a diode mixer
(probably by maybe 3 dB) adequate for LF with respect to noise.
Secondly, it it provides some gain (10 dB or so) instead of the 6-8
dB conversion loss of a passive diode mixer.
Last, but not least, it is satisfied with an oscillator drive of about 1 mW.
The SRA-8, which I assume is a type 2 or type 3 mixer, will require
13 or maybe 23 mW of oscillator drive.
I think the signal handling capability of the SL6440 is comparable to that
of a class 3 diode mixer. Depending on a current setting the third order
intercept
point  will be better than  20 dBm.
But even a good mixer as the SL6440 (by the way: wasn`t this device designed
by
G3RZP?) deserves a decent preceeding bandpass filter!
73
OZ8NJ  Niels+



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Dear LF enthusiasts,
I plan today to restore&test the LF TX/RX/ANT equipments on a Machta
nr Taganrog (KN97LN)
I also plan to make a beacon from 22-23z up to 3z on 135.9225 in
QRSS120

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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Good reception of VO1NA last night. O copy of the QRSS30 signal
2200-2230z and 0100-0430z. 2300-0030z there were some fadings.
  

 Hartmut Wolff                          mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
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To All from PA0SE

When I had to decide what type of mixers to use in my new TRX, a doubly 
balanced passive diode mixer or the SL6440, I chose the latter for the 
following reasons.

1. The SL6440 amplifies so there is no need for an amplifier between the 
mixed and the following IF filter.

2. The SL6440 requires very little LO power

3. There is no need for critical terminations of the ports, as is the case 
with a passive mixer.

Both PA0KDF and I found that the LO signal appears  very strong in phase at 
the output pins 3 and 14 of the SL6440 and  this signal must be suppressed 
to enjoy the full large signal capability. I did this by connecting 
a  parallel tuned circuit between the pins with the centre of the coil 
grounded for RF and connected to 12V. The circuit is tuned to the IF and 
the IF signal extracted by a link over the coil.

I also use a balanced circuit at the input of the mixer.

The large signal behaviour of the receiver is very good.  Using a 2 x 20 m 
dipole on 7MHz there is no trace of IM  when listening on a winter 
night.  Not even when the 12dB preamplifier is switched on. As a test of 
course, the amp is not needed below 24MHz. But in this respect the Cohn 
bandpass filter (bandwidth 180kHz) at the input of the receiver helps  as well.

The SL6440 is no longer in production, though they can still be found. But 
if you are going to use one better buy some spares as 
well.  Fortunately  they are not very expensive.

73, Dick, PA0SE


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Hi Alan,

from the days of repairing TV's I remember the permanent magnets on certain "coils" too. Guess they used this to distort the current waveform in a controlled fashion for the deflection unit.
About the DC-bias winding: Sounds a bit like a "transductor" - ancient magnetic component, sometimes called magnetic amplifier. The basic idea was to control a strong AC current with a weak DC current. But I cannot imagine these are used in SMPSU's.

About the slots in ferrite rods: Yes, they are used to reduce eddy currents. Especially in those high-permeability types which are more semiconductors than insulators (you can tell with an ohmmeter). I have a large bundle of them in my radio-direction finding antenna for VLF ;-)

Regards, and have a good LF season,

Wolf DL4YHF



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Marcelo LW2ETU,

A nil report of reception tonight (I closed down at 1130Z).

When is your sunrise?

73, Bob ZL2CA





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At 04:46 18/9/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Alan,


> from the days of repairing TV's I remember the permanent magnets on
> certain "coils" too. Guess they used this to distort the current waveform
> in a controlled fashion for the deflection unit.

Yes, Wolf is right. I have have salvaged a coil form with a magnet 
from an old TV set and I still keep it in the junkbox.

73 Costas SV1XV




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Bob,

> A nil report of reception tonight (I closed down at 1130Z).

The announcement here was that the test would run from 1815 UTC on 18
September (UTC date) to 1500 UTC on 19 September. That would put the start
at 0615 NZ time on 19 Sept.

John Andrews, W1TAG




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John,

Thanks for clarification of time.  Looks like I exercised my gear a day
early .... and I'll try again tonight.

73, Bob ZL2CA

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> Bob,
>
> > A nil report of reception tonight (I closed down at 1130Z).
>
> The announcement here was that the test would run from 1815 UTC on 18
> September (UTC date) to 1500 UTC on 19 September. That would put the start
> at 0615 NZ time on 19 Sept.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
>
>
>




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Bob,

> Thanks for clarification of time.  Looks like I exercised my gear a day
> early .... and I'll try again tonight.

This makes me feel much better. On a couple of the Quartz Hill expeditions,
I have missed the first night due to the reverse of this error.

I guess this will get better in the future. When the captain of the
Enterprise tells someone two light years away that he will meet him at 1400
hours, he always gets it right.

John Andrews




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I am interested in the Grimeton (Varberg) meeting,
Roger, G2AJV,

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John,

> I guess this will get better in the future. When the captain of the
> Enterprise tells someone two light years away that he will meet him at
1400
> hours, he always gets it right.

Only if they all took off from Greenwich ;-)

73, Bob




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Dear Group,

Will be trying to copy him tonight and will return to
137.777 kHz Sunday evening.

73
Joe



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Hello Ed, Marcelo and all:

Copied "O" signals from Machta on 135922.7 since 22.51 UTC.
Nothing seen from LW2ETU so far.

73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53TI





> > Dear LF enthusiasts,
> > I plan today to restore&test the LF TX/RX/ANT equipments on a Machta
> > nr Taganrog (KN97LN)
> > I also plan to make a beacon from 22-23z up to 3z on 135.9225 in
> > QRSS120
> >
> > 73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru
> >
> >
>




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Ed Lesnichy schrieb:
> Dear LF enthusiasts,
> I plan today to restore&test the LF TX/RX/ANT equipments on a Machta
> nr Taganrog (KN97LN)
> I also plan to make a beacon from 22-23z up to 3z on 135.9225 in
> QRSS120
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru
>
>
Hi Ed,
strong signs in jo43sv. see attachment.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx
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( UM, 300b) v. Wedelstädt, Eberhard wrote:

>My    locator JO53PO,   PWR  10...30mW 
>
>73  Eberhard
>  DL3ZID
>  
>
Hi Eberhard.
Ur doing fine into JO22KE with Qrss 3 this sunday around 10 to 11:00 UTC
The signal is going up and down a bit but withing 3 Hz
73 Ko, NL9222



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Hi All,
DK0UH/P audible here all day 5/5/9, called but no contact, recieved QRZ
around 0910 and 0920.
They were very busy working "D" stations mainly .Very little other activity
this W/E but did work F6BWO on Saturday.
Very good 80m opening to JA on Saturday at  20:30 UTC so things looking up.
73 Laurie.




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No trace of signals here either.  The beacon
will be on again tonight.

Also, many thanks to those for the several responses on
this reflector concerning my question on mixers.

73
Joe VO1NA



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Also nil copy in south of ZL. Marcelo, are you interested in listening for
ZL signals?

Mike ZL4OL



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Hello to all.

Lament that himself is not found been able to listen my TX.  I thank a lot
to all by its reports.
 I am going to work to carry out in a future a new test.

Thanks again to all.

Saludos...............................................
                                                             Marcelo-LW2ETU

www.qsl.net/lw2etu



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To All from PA0SE,


Heard Laurie  with his usual big signal calling DK0UH/p.


I received DK0UH/p with an S7 signal. Called them but after a repeated
PA0?? reply I gave up.


73, Dick, PA0SE


At 13:30 19-9-04, you wrote:


Hi All,

DK0UH/P audible here all day 5/5/9, called but no contact, recieved
QRZ

around 0910 and 0920.

They were very busy working "D" stations mainly .Very little
other activity

this W/E but did work F6BWO on Saturday.

Very good 80m opening to JA on Saturday at  20:30 UTC so things
looking up.

73 Laurie.



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Dear LF enthusiasts,

I successfully have devoted saturday day to restoration LF setup:
has made more effective and strong TX aerial, has adjusted and has checked
up new coil & PA. Unfortunately it was not possible to make the good RX ANT
(agricultural works around of a tower were not finished yet)
I used on reception the periodically big quad on 160? - very large
level of QRM on the tower because of the local equipment.
I regret about the mistake in dates and time of a Marcelo's LW2ETU
beacon and made my beacon in his time ;-(
TNX to all for the msgs on reception of my beacon. Also has received
the reports from Russia and Ukraine.
I saw some QRSS and DFCW signals, but has made only 1 QSO with Tom DK1IS
QRSS/DFCW abt 2230z -> bad RX ant ;-(

I believe, that Marcelo LW2ETU should make longer beacons (QRRS60 or 120)
in the near future (end of September - October) - I also can make long
beverage to this time to LU

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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Ed Lesnichy schrieb:
> Dear LF enthusiasts,
>
> I successfully have devoted saturday day to restoration LF setup:
> has made more effective and strong TX aerial, has adjusted and has checked
> up new coil & PA. Unfortunately it was not possible to make the good RX ANT
> (agricultural works around of a tower were not finished yet)
> I used on reception the periodically big quad on 160Í - very large
> level of QRM on the tower because of the local equipment.
> I regret about the mistake in dates and time of a Marcelo's LW2ETU
> beacon and made my beacon in his time ;-(
> TNX to all for the msgs on reception of my beacon. Also has received
> the reports from Russia and Ukraine.
> I saw some QRSS and DFCW signals, but has made only 1 QSO with Tom DK1IS
> QRSS/DFCW abt 2230z -> bad RX ant ;-(
>
> I believe, that Marcelo LW2ETU should make longer beacons (QRRS60 or 120)
> in the near future (end of September - October) - I also can make long
> beverage to this time to LU
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru
>
>
Hi Ed,

bad RX ant, but ur TX ant seems to be super. pse will you give us a 
specification of the new ant and the new PA?
and secondly, who did receive you beside dj8wx? it would be of interest
because of the condx.

tks in advnc

regards
Uwe/dj8wx


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Dear Lowfers,
thanks to all who tried to listn to Our signal at Our Activity Day on 18./19th of September 2004.  We had bad condx, we hardly coluld pick up F6BWO Sat evening in QRSS3 (TT) . Usually Jeff has a good sig in aural cw here, but not this weekend.  There has been strong QRN all the weekend. 

Our Aerial: Mast of abt 22m, 70mm Dia with about 1200 m Mil-Telephone twin-Wire as radials, capacitive hat : four spokes of 10m with alumina guy wires, so about 55 m wire on top. 

The alumina wire was taken from an air wire for distribution of electric energy from an ragt and bone dealer. 2mm dia each of this "litz-wires".  
On Sunday morning we used TX an RX buildt by DK 7 SU, about 400 W out but not with better receiving results. 
As I go next Sunday for Holliday to Crete, more details after my return midth of October.

55,
Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND



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Now on +24 hours until adivsed  on 137.7750 QRSS 30 "xdw"  and CW ID 
"wd2xdw"
Running close to 130W input into a 320ft tuned loop with around 9A loop 
current

In not trying to tell you your business  ;_))  but if you set argo to 30 
secs dots slow with 137.7746 on the bottom and 137.781 at the top  
scaleyoull get most of the action from over here - however Scott Ve7til was 
a good signal this morning over here predawn on 137,572 and good copy from 
XES and the best, but still weak signals yet from V01NA at over 3000Kms over 
a mostly land path

Laurence em26aq kl1x
bartlesville ok 74006

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Until further notice 'TIL' has QSY'd to 
137778.0Hz.  


 


Time to join the rest of the great unwashed in the 
2200m watering hole...


 


Everything else here remains the 
same...


 


73 Scott


 


Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio


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Hi All


Has anyone ever heard of a vintage radio called a 
PORTADYNE. Radio maybe 90 - 100 years old. It has 4 valves, which are missing. 
Unusual valve bases 4 pin with one pin offset, bases look small. It has a loop 
antenna wound around the inside of the cabinet. It has a rotary base plate to 
swivel the radio for best reception. The case is the usual polished 
wood.


Any help appreciated for restoration work, cct etc 
or original box !!


 


73 de Mal/G3KEV


 


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Join the BVWS (British Vintage Wireless Association). 
They'll tell you all about it.


Walter G3JKV.


 


 


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----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:02 
  AM

  
Subject: LF: PORTADYNE

  


  
Hi All

  
Has anyone ever heard of a vintage radio called a 
  PORTADYNE. Radio maybe 90 - 100 years old. It has 4 valves, which are missing. 
  Unusual valve bases 4 pin with one pin offset, bases look small. It has a loop 
  antenna wound around the inside of the cabinet. It has a rotary base plate to 
  swivel the radio for best reception. The case is the usual polished 
  wood.

  
Any help appreciated for restoration work, cct 
  etc or original box !!

  
 

  
73 de Mal/G3KEV

  
Valves sound like ordinary 2 volt filament 
  series.pin spacing 1.6cm approx.types PM2LF/HL etc, grid is pin with closer 
  spacing anode opposite.

  
Line up possibly:-HF Amp(pentode, anode terminal 
  on top)...Det(triode) ...audio amp (also triode)... O.P (Triode/possibly 
  pentode.term. on side of base)

  
Laurie.  


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What does the dial say. ?  Stations or 
wavelength ?- That often gives a clue about date 
and country of origin.




Is there a wave-band change 
switch?


The two symetrical pins are the heater;  that 
spaced out on its own should be the anode.. Heater could be 2v or 
4v.


Do any of the valve holders have an associated 
flying lead which would reach a top-cap or side-terminal on the 
base?


Are there two lots of leads for 
batteries?


 or a mains lead?. If a mains lead then one of 
the 'valves'  was a barretter (voltage dropper ) 


Loudspeaker or headphones?


 


It is of course a TRF Rx. . Does the tuning 
condenser have one or two sections? If two then one of the valves was RF amp. 
Daintily wipe away gunge on chassis you may find valve type numbers printed 
under gunge.


It is not 100 years old...valves not available 
then.


 


Bryan



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:02 
  AM

  
Subject: LF: PORTADYNE

  


  
Hi All

  
Has anyone ever heard of a vintage radio called a 
  PORTADYNE. Radio maybe 90 - 100 years old. It has 4 valves, which are missing. 
  Unusual valve bases 4 pin with one pin offset, bases look small. It has a loop 
  antenna wound around the inside of the cabinet. It has a rotary base plate to 
  swivel the radio for best reception. The case is the usual polished 
  wood.

  
Any help appreciated for restoration work, cct 
  etc or original box !!

  
 

  
73 de Mal/G3KEV

  
 


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Hi Mal


 


Try this URL


 


 



 


 


 


 


Cheers


 


Paul G4MD



  
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  captbrian 

  
  
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:39 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: Re: PORTADYNE

  


  
What does the dial say. ?  Stations or 
  wavelength ?- That often gives a clue about 
  date and country of origin.

  

  
Is there a wave-band change 
  switch?

  
The two symetrical pins are the heater; that 
  spaced out on its own should be the anode.. Heater could be 2v or 
  4v.

  
Do any of the valve holders have an associated 
  flying lead which would reach a top-cap or side-terminal on the 
  base?

  
Are there two lots of leads for 
  batteries?

  
 or a mains lead?. If a mains lead then one 
  of the 'valves'  was a barretter (voltage dropper ) 

  
Loudspeaker or headphones?

  
 

  
It is of course a TRF Rx. . Does the tuning 
  condenser have one or two sections? If two then one of the valves was RF amp. 
  Daintily wipe away gunge on chassis you may find valve type numbers printed 
  under gunge.

  
It is not 100 years old...valves not available 
  then.

  
 

  
Bryan

  

    
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Subject: LF: PORTADYNE

    


    
Hi All

    
Has anyone ever heard of a vintage radio called 
    a PORTADYNE. Radio maybe 90 - 100 years old. It has 4 valves, which are 
    missing. Unusual valve bases 4 pin with one pin offset, bases look small. It 
    has a loop antenna wound around the inside of the cabinet. It has a rotary 
    base plate to swivel the radio for best reception. The case is the usual 
    polished wood.

    
Any help appreciated for restoration work, cct 
    etc or original box !!

    
 

    
73 de Mal/G3KEV

    
 


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Dear wWolf and others, 

yes, mag- amps are used in SMPS, toroid cores of vitruos metals  (Metallische Gläser) manufactured by Vacuumschmelze Hanau  ore similar material by Micrometals(US) are used. These are metal wound toroids in protective encapsulation . These controllers are very fast and cause less interference than step down converters.  A good controller IC is UC3838 by Unitrode (Texas Instruments). It is just that nobody of the development engineers likes mag amp circuits, due to little knowledge on magnetics.
55,
Hans-Albrecht
DK 8 ND

Literature:
Transduktorregler in Schaltnetzteilen. Dipl.-Phys. D. Grätzer  und Dipl.-Ing. W. Loges
Vacuuumschmelze GmbH, Hanau. Technische Informationsschrift TB-410-1, Mai 1988.


"Designing Magnetic Amplifiers using toroidal strip-wound cores made of VITROVAC 6025Z"
PV-010
 
Toroidal strip-wound cores of VITROVAC 6025Z. PV-007, Edition 10/89



rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 18.09.04 10:48:06:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> from the days of repairing TV's I remember the permanent magnets on certain "coils" too. Guess they used this to distort the current waveform in a controlled fashion for the deflection unit.
> About the DC-bias winding: Sounds a bit like a "transductor" - ancient magnetic component, sometimes called magnetic amplifier. The basic idea was to control a strong AC current with a weak DC current. But I cannot imagine these are used in SMPSU's.
> 
> About the slots in ferrite rods: Yes, they are used to reduce eddy currents. Especially in those high-permeability types which are more semiconductors than insulators (you can tell with an ohmmeter). I have a large bundle of them in my radio-direction finding antenna for VLF ;-)
> 
> Regards, and have a good LF season,
> 
> Wolf DL4YHF
> 
> 





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    Hi All.


Thanks to the response about the Portadyne radio. 
Here are the answers to the questions asked. 


Tech details:


 


4 valves


 


Battery leads consist of 2 leads poss 
LT,  2 more for HT and a couple of others poss bias. The set is so old that 
the leads have virtually disentegrated along with the internal wiring on the 
chassis.


 


2 independent tuning condensers, each with 
own knob each side of cylinderal dial on top middle of RX facia, to 
left is on/off


 switch and to the right is what looks like a small variometer that would appear 
to interact with the loop antenna winding.


(looks like a lollipop) The dial has lost its 
markings so cannot identify any anything, would not be freq or wavelength 
because its so narrow. Possibly just graduations. 


 


There is a very crude loudspeaker to the front of 
cabinet and on the outside there is a screw adjustment about the centre of the 
speaker for some sort of sensitivity adjustment I suppose. 


 


The cabinet is wooden 15 inches high and 14 inches 
wide. The front appearance is fretted and flaired. The controls are under a lift 
up pannel on top of the cabinet. 


 


There are no coils except what appears to be a 
choke type inductor and the frame aerial winding around the inside of the 
cabinet. 


 


This would be a TRF type radio with a RF stage, top 
of the range in its time !!!!


I expect is must be one of the first valve type 
radios and some of you old timers will know its exact age and maybe have a cct 
for it.


 


Thanks for the 11 replies showing a lot of 
interest, it probably covers MF and LF, the tuning is odd ball with both 
condensers moving the dial independently.


 


The valve bases seem small compared to the UX5 and 
UX7 type but similar pin displacement.


 


There could be a pint or a wee whiskey for the 
first one to come up with a cct diagram 


 


The cabinet is in good condx but the chassis is 
corroded but not too bad, the wiring has just about gone.


 


More info welcome.


 


de Mal/G3KEV


 


 


 


 


 


 


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Very early fade in of VO1NA. Since 2100z visible here in Germany.


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Hi Mal


 


This sounds similar to a set my father had when I  was small (My 
D.O.B 1943). I think it was known as a "picnic portable". There should be space 
for a 2 Volt accumulator (glass jar approx 2.5ins x 2.5ins x (maybe 7 or 8 ins 
tall) and a rectangular pack containing a large number of carbon/zinc cells in 
series for HT. The speaker might have a fairly large diameter voice coil with a 
crude and skeletal magnet assy. I think my father's was covered in a sort of 
imitation leather material which was based on a woven canvas type cloth. All I 
can remember is that it sat around for years until I got interested in radio and 
then got butchered (by me) in some ignorance. (by which time my dad had a little 
cream coloured Braun portable and i had a little Pye portable with a "posh" 
chrome finish panel and frame antenna in the lid using a combined 90/1.5Volt 
battery which (with a bit of tinkering) was persuaded to "discover" something 
called "Top Band" near Radio Luxembourg one evening! Having shortly afterwards 
found something called "forty metres" on the domestic mains radiogram (a 
"Defiant" which I think came from either the NAAFI or the COOP) and then 
attempted to "rebuild" a birthday present crystal set to make it do the same I 
was pursuaded to indulge the next almost 50 years following a hobby which has 
involved incredible efforts to communicate with other like-minded beings both 
world-wide and just down the road which the youth of today take for granted on 
their mobile phones. I mean just who needs packet, Rtty, SSTV, Amtor, FSTV, 
satellites etc etc etc?


 


D'ye reckon I could get them to issue me with G4FOGY ?


 


Mal, it sounds a real collector's item. Nurture and cherish it. The way 
things are going our hobby is heading the same way! A guy on 80 metres recently 
was saying that he thought the CW filter in his new rig was useless because it 
didnt get rid of "morse interference" to the net he was in!


 


I only keep doing radio 'cos my fingers are too old to learn 
knitting!


 


73 de Pat g4gvw


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Very good signal from VO1NA, visible from 22:00 until 06:30 UTC. See
attached capture.
Unfortunately nothing else seen here.
Laurie G3AQC

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Hello all,

I've just received this info from my friend. This is the first commercial
TRX I know that included the 137kHz transmit facility, however an external
PA is still required. Not a complete solution, but can make the life
easier...

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=467148&native_or_pdf=pdf

See page 37, sorry if the link above breaks.

73! Marek SQ5BPM



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marek SQ5BPM" 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: LF: Icom 756 PRO III


> Hello all,
>
> I've just received this info from my friend. This is the first commercial
> TRX I know that included the 137kHz transmit facility, however an external
> PA is still required. Not a complete solution, but can make the life
> easier...
>
>
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=467148&native_or_pdf=pdf
>
> See page 37, sorry if the link above breaks.
>
> 73! Marek SQ5BPM
>
> Many thanks for info looks interesting.
I use ICOM 781 on 137, has transverter output at low level.
73 Laurie G3AQC
>




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Dear Mal and All,


         a 
hint about your PORTADYNE:


Let us say, the offset pin of the base is 1, and 
the others - clockwise - 2,3,4. The distance pin1 / 2 is 13mm, 2 / 3 is 10mm, 3 
/ 4 is 10mm, 4 / 1 is 13mm.


        If yes, 
then this is the base mostly used in the twenties and early 
thirties.


Often used valves were: RE 074n ( n means neutro, 
although a triode, it does not oszillate, when used in the hf-amplifier 
)


As detektor ( audion ) RE 084, first audio RE 034, 
speaker RE 114 or others. All types by TELEFUNKEN, VALVO had comparable types, 
like A408 instead of RE 084. Heater 4V battery powered ( pins 2 and 4 ). Pin 1 
is anode, pin 3 is grid.


 I am sure, there are similar types by Cossor, 
Mullard, Ediswan and others.


I have a radio with the valves described above, 
built 1926 by Siemens, still working. It contains MF and LF. Two separate 
condensers and two knobs for tuning. And I have a french militairy low power 
transceiver built 1936 with the TM 2, it has the same base. The RE 084 works 
there, too.


73   Walter


 


         
 



  
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Von: hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
An: 
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: 
  Dienstag, 21. September 2004 14:22
Betreff: LF: 
  PORTADYNE


  
Hi All

  
Has anyone ever heard of a vintage radio called a 
  PORTADYNE. Radio maybe 90 - 100 years old. It has 4 valves, which are missing. 
  Unusual valve bases 4 pin with one pin offset, bases look small. It has a loop 
  antenna wound around the inside of the cabinet. It has a rotary base plate to 
  swivel the radio for best reception. The case is the usual polished 
  wood.

  
Any help appreciated for restoration work, cct 
  etc or original box !!

  
 

  
73 de Mal/G3KEV

  
 


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Hi All


Nothing exciting heard on LF but 160 m fairly good. 
Worked VE1ZJ/John, W8JI/Tom and heard PY2DO but he was having RX QRN problems so 
he said, so no QSO.


73 de Mal/G3KEV


 


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You should be able to make out the circuit just by 
looking at the underside of chassis. 


 


 I thought all G3's could draw the circuit of 
a simple 4 valve TRF rx from memory and first principles having built several as 
teenagers ?


 


 


 


 One of the v. condensers is almost 
certainly the  "reaction"   control.   [positive feedback in 
modern terms ] although the same result could be obtained by the variometer you 
describe. 


 


Start with loudspeaker leads (high impedance in 
series with the anode of output stage) one will got to output valve anode. the 
grid of that will take you (via condenser) to anode of audio stage and the grid 
of audio stage to the detector valve. 


 


Bryan G3GVB



  
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:48 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: PORTADYNE

  


  
    Hi All.

  
Thanks to the response about the Portadyne radio. 
  Here are the answers to the questions asked. 

  
Tech details:

  
 

  
4 valves

  
 

  
Battery leads consist of 2 leads poss 
  LT,  2 more for HT and a couple of others poss bias. The set is so old 
  that the leads have virtually disentegrated along with the internal wiring on 
  the chassis.

  
 

  
2 independent tuning condensers, each with 
  own knob each side of cylinderal dial on top middle of RX facia, to 
  left is on/off

  
 switch and to the right is what looks like a small variometer that would 
  appear to interact with the loop antenna winding.

  
(looks like a lollipop) The dial has lost its 
  markings so cannot identify any anything, would not be freq or wavelength 
  because its so narrow. Possibly just graduations. 

  
 

  
There is a very crude loudspeaker to the front of 
  cabinet and on the outside there is a screw adjustment about the centre of the 
  speaker for some sort of sensitivity adjustment I suppose. 

  
 

  
The cabinet is wooden 15 inches high and 14 
  inches wide. The front appearance is fretted and flaired. The controls are 
  under a lift up pannel on top of the cabinet. 

  
 

  
There are no coils except what appears to be a 
  choke type inductor and the frame aerial winding around the inside of the 
  cabinet. 

  
 

  
This would be a TRF type radio with a RF stage, 
  top of the range in its time !!!!

  
I expect is must be one of the first valve type 
  radios and some of you old timers will know its exact age and maybe have a cct 
  for it.

  
 

  
Thanks for the 11 replies showing a lot of 
  interest, it probably covers MF and LF, the tuning is odd ball with both 
  condensers moving the dial independently.

  
 

  
The valve bases seem small compared to the UX5 
  and UX7 type but similar pin displacement.

  
 

  
There could be a pint or a wee whiskey for 
  the first one to come up with a cct diagram 

  
 

  
The cabinet is in good condx but the chassis is 
  corroded but not too bad, the wiring has just about gone.

  
 

  
More info welcome.

  
 

  
de Mal/G3KEV

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 


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I have a quantity of Litz wire that needs a good home. This is the 700strand
stuff that is used in the Decca loading coils. I think that there is about
700m of it in lengths ranging from 16 to 27m. The ends have all been dressed
and soldered so it is easy to link up.
Total weight about 25kg.

I am reinstalling the LF antenna, which was removed from the mast during the
summer to allow experiments on HF antennas for my 'Antennas' column in
RadCom.
The loading coils have been hosed down to remove several months salt
encrustation from sea gales!
Spider cooking time expected to start later this week.

Peter G3LDO



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Best copy this season so far of VO1NA last night. The QRSS30 signal
was O copy 2100z-0515z. The 5wpm "blur" was very strong 0130z-0200z.

Many traces of WD2XES 0000z-0230z. I did not manage to copy a full
callsign due to lots of fadings. Around 0130z I copied only the
attached "ES X"

 Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
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Hi All


Tnx agn for all the info and photos. The age seems 
to be around 1927-1930. I still need a cct diagram and the valve line 
up.


Some have suggested the valve types. They seem to 
be B4 type according to the Wireless World radio valve data book, old version 
with blue cover 1963.


On close inspection the dial has wavelength 
calibrations and a few faint names like Paris etc


Anymore info welcome.


de Mal/G3KEV


 


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Was off from 0000z until 0300z - Ive put another loop up in the same place 
and paralleled them up. The second loop is 700 wire litz and have a metre 
seperation in some parts of the loop - how this stands up to wind and Rtot 
changes Ive yet to find out.- aerial current showing at least a 2A increase. 
Presently running around 12A loop current for 162w "dc" input to the PA. Ive 
had to increase the C across the loop a fair bit to reresonate but its now 
way too dark to play with the matching - that and the threat from being bit 
by a Nile virus mosquito means Ive returned to the shack.

Laurence KL1X
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----- Original Message ----- 

  
From: 
  captbrian 

  
  
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:10 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: Re: PORTADYNE

  


  
You should be able to make out the circuit just 
  by looking at the underside of chassis. 

  
 

  
 I thought all G3's could draw the circuit 
  of a simple 4 valve TRF rx from memory and first principles having built 
  several as teenagers ?

  
 

  
You are correct I could rebuild it from memory 
  without any cct info but I want to put it back to the original 
  cct.

  
My first RX built was a 3 valve TRF around 1952 
  and it worked first time !!!!!!!

  
War surplus radios then appeared and I modified 
  just about all that were available at the time!!! both RX and TX

  
I have met some G3's that could not solder two 
  wires together, nor have a QSO using CW. Where do you fit in 
  ?

  
My first rigs were built using a soldering iron 
  heated on a primus stove, out in the wild open spaces in TYRONE.

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 One of the v. condensers is almost 
  certainly the "reaction"  control.   [positive feedback in 
  modern terms ] although the same result could be obtained by the variometer 
  you describe. 

  
 

  
Not a reaction control. Both variable condensers 
  are connected to the main tuning dial. 

  
 

  
Start with loudspeaker leads (high impedance in 
  series with the anode of output stage) one will got to output valve anode. the 
  grid of that will take you (via condenser) to anode of audio stage and the 
  grid of audio stage to the detector valve. 

  
 

  
Bryan G3GVB

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    
    
    
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:48 
    PM

    
Subject: LF: PORTADYNE

    


    
    Hi All.

    
Thanks to the response about the Portadyne 
    radio. Here are the answers to the questions asked. 

    
Tech details:

    
 

    
4 valves

    
 

    
Battery leads consist of 2 leads poss 
    LT,  2 more for HT and a couple of others poss bias. The set is so old 
    that the leads have virtually disentegrated along with the internal wiring 
    on the chassis.

    
 

    
2 independent tuning condensers, each with 
    own knob each side of cylinderal dial on top middle of RX facia, 
    to left is on/off

    
 switch and to the right is what looks like a small variometer that would 
    appear to interact with the loop antenna winding.

    
(looks like a lollipop) The dial has lost its 
    markings so cannot identify any anything, would not be freq or wavelength 
    because its so narrow. Possibly just graduations. 

    
 

    
There is a very crude loudspeaker to the front 
    of cabinet and on the outside there is a screw adjustment about the centre 
    of the speaker for some sort of sensitivity adjustment I suppose. 
    

    
 

    
The cabinet is wooden 15 inches high and 14 
    inches wide. The front appearance is fretted and flaired. The controls are 
    under a lift up pannel on top of the cabinet. 

    
 

    
There are no coils except what appears to be a 
    choke type inductor and the frame aerial winding around the inside of the 
    cabinet. 

    
 

    
This would be a TRF type radio with a RF stage, 
    top of the range in its time !!!!

    
I expect is must be one of the first valve type 
    radios and some of you old timers will know its exact age and maybe have a 
    cct for it.

    
 

    
Thanks for the 11 replies showing a lot of 
    interest, it probably covers MF and LF, the tuning is odd ball with both 
    condensers moving the dial independently.

    
 

    
The valve bases seem small compared to the UX5 
    and UX7 type but similar pin displacement.

    
 

    
There could be a pint or a wee whiskey for 
    the first one to come up with a cct diagram 

    
 

    
The cabinet is in good condx but the chassis is 
    corroded but not too bad, the wiring has just about gone.

    
 

    
More info welcome.

    
 

    
de Mal/G3KEV

    
 

    
 

    
 

    
 

    
 

    
 


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Peter,

If nobody else wants it, I can find space to store it.  Other commitments (railway tunnels etc) mean I would not be able to do much with it until next spring, but I still have hopes of getting on the air _above_ ground.

73
John G3PAI

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On 22/09/2004 at 15:40 g3ldo wrote:

>I have a quantity of Litz wire that needs a good home. This is the
>700strand
>stuff that is used in the Decca loading coils. I think that there is about
>700m of it in lengths ranging from 16 to 27m. The ends have all been
>dressed
>and soldered so it is easy to link up.
>Total weight about 25kg.
>
>I am reinstalling the LF antenna, which was removed from the mast during
>the
>summer to allow experiments on HF antennas for my 'Antennas' column in
>RadCom.
>The loading coils have been hosed down to remove several months salt
>encrustation from sea gales!
>Spider cooking time expected to start later this week.
>
>Peter G3LDO






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Marek SQ5BPM schrieb:
> Hello all,
>
> I've just received this info from my friend. This is the first commercial
> TRX I know that included the 137kHz transmit facility, however an external
> PA is still required. Not a complete solution, but can make the life
> easier...
>
> https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=4671
> 48&native_or_pdf=pdf
>
> See page 37, sorry if the link above breaks.
>
> 73! Marek SQ5BPM
>
>
Hi Marek,

tks for the PDF files.

I read page 37 containing a very short hint conc a 137kHz option.
if I interpret it correctly the option makes CW possible, nothing else.
is that ok?

regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Good copy of VO1NA again last night but not so strong as the night
before. See attached capture.

No copy of XES last night.


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HI All


It seems surprising that no new countries have 
joined in the LF activity, in spite of the fact it has been going for a few 
years now. In fact the opposite has happened. Those active before have now 
deserted the band but are very active on the other HF bands. I have worked quite 
a number of these ex 136 ops who have no intention of coming back to LF 
!!


The current activity certainly does not justify the 
effort involved to get a LF station going. 


QRS seems the prominent mode, which most LF ops 
detest, especially when it is totally unnecessary. QRS(vy slow 
cw)


has driven the majority away from 136 khz. 
This is what they all say.


Maybe its time to start leaning CW.


73 De Mal/G3KEV


 


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----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:11 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: Re: PORTADYNE

  


  
Join the BVWS (British Vintage Wireless Association). 
  They'll tell you all about it.

  
Walter G3JKV.

  
Hi Walter.

  
Did you ever join the morse code club that I suggested 
  some years ago? Can't say I have heard you yet on CW on 136 khz

  
de G3KEV

  
 

  
 

  
 


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Hi All


Thanks to all that responed. Most of the info 
received is historical but no real technical info except one German Amateur that 
seems knowledeable. One Uk amateur suggested that I join the vintage radio club. 



I have started to rebuilt the RX from previous 
knowledge gained 50 years ago !! Some sent pictures !!


de Mal/G3KEV


 


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 When Noah was building his ark he asked me to 
do the radio installation.... all that biblical stuff about sending out a dove 
to locate land is because the Hebrew translators didn't have a Hebrew word for 
Radio-location  pulses ...so they just guessed it meant dove..   
it was in my fourth reincarnation that I was christened  Gugliemo ....and I wish 
you would stop writing CW when you mean Morse Code. Continuous Wave 
transmissions  can be encoded in all sorts of ways;  rtty and Murray being 
but two examples.


 


G3GVB



  
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I have met some G3's that could not solder two 
    wires together, nor have a QSO using CW. Where do you fit in 
    ?

    
My first rigs were built using a soldering iron 
    heated on a primus stove, out in the wild open spaces in 
TYRONE.

    
 

    
 

    
 


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> QRS(vy slow cw)
> has driven the majority away from 136 khz. This is what they all say.

I just sent the International Morse letter "E" using the delete key on my keyboard. Works!

John Andrews, W1TAG



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My overnight run on the watering hole found XDW almost making it (at the
400.8Hz marker)...spot on frequency... just a bit of the X missing.
Time to rotate that loop to the n-w
Laurence!
First signs appeared at 0922Z and last traces were at 1215Z.

 Steve / VE7SL


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> My overnight run on the watering hole found XDW almost making it (at the
> 400.8Hz marker)...spot on frequency... just a bit of the X missing.
> Time to rotate that loop to the n-w
> Laurence!
> First signs appeared at 0922Z and last traces were at 1215Z.
> 
> Steve / VE7SL

Steve: I'm getting him solid for 24 hours straight - and the period of
daylight is absolutely solid from sunrise until sunset .

MP  



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> Steve: I'm getting him solid for 24 hours straight - and the period of
> daylight is absolutely solid from sunrise until sunset .

Mitch - what is the distance between you two? I'm not sure which way his
loop is oriented. I was surprised to see anything from him as condx are not
that good out here.
Jim Dean tells me that a new VE4 has applied for an experimental licence!
Also VY1JA in Whitehorse is keen to get involved. Things are starting to
look up domestically!

Steve / VE7SL



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> Mitch - what is the distance between you two?

Distance between 36:42:00N 96:00:00W and London, Ontario, Canada, as the
crow flies:
895 miles (1440 km) (778 nautical miles)

> I'm not sure which way his loop is oriented.


> 
> Steve / VE7SL
> 
> 
 
ENE / WSW   see pix at http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/

As long as he doesn't QRT for servicing, etc. I have a solid line of ID
across the screen - even as others rise and fall in signal level. Just
amazing.

Maybe he has added sal water to that pool that is below the loop.... that's
not fair !

MP

 



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Hi VO1NA,


 


I received you during my overnight runn at 
02:41 UTC this morning 


 


QTH in Centrum of the town Roskilde 30 km west of 
Copenhagen this is first time


I have being abel to detekt the 
signal, locator is JO65BP.


 


vy 73 Ingolf


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Only traces of VO1NA here last night,so very interesting that Ingolf OZ7QC
recieved a good signal.
73 Laurie G3AQC




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Hello Ingolf,
Thank-you for the report.  This is the first report from Denmark
I have received for my long wave signals.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, OZ7QC wrote:

> Hi VO1NA,
>
> I received you during my overnight runn at 02:41 UTC this morning
>
> QTH in Centrum of the town Roskilde 30 km west of Copenhagen this is first time
> I have being abel to detekt the signal, locator is JO65BP.
>
> vy 73 Ingolf


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VO1NA in QRSS30 O copy here 0100-0230z and 0400-0430z The attached
capture contains 0200-0230z.

Hartmut Wolff


> Only traces of VO1NA here last night,so very interesting that Ingolf OZ7QC
> recieved a good signal.
> 73 Laurie G3AQC
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Dear Mal 
Re your old radio, if it  has valves, other than a diode, it  is unlikely
to be quite as old as has been suggested. 
With 73 from one old man to another om,
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Very strong signal on 137.70 yesterday morning
But I dont know who is he and where he live!
French station F6NCW or DL station DF6NCW ?
I have sending a mail to Jeff F6CWN but it was not him
Nothing on call book!

received with only 2x40 center feed in T configuration at 8 meters.

73
Marc F5MAF



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Dear LF group,



lots of QRN again last night. Around midnight UT, two distinct traces appeared on 137775.02 near the XDW QRG, though the lousy condititions suggest Western European origin. After 5:00, VO1NA was faintly visible - see appended SpecLab RDF snapshots (21mHz resolution, 0.2Hz ticks, 15 sec/pix).



73 de Markus, DF6NM






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Hello Markus and all:


 


My apologies, I think that the last nigth´s signals 
are from my test transmission that I made after a change of my antenna 
configuration. 


I´ll try to transmit tonigth, at 20 
UTC,  around 137705-QRSS3.


 


Sri again, 73 de José, EA1PX


 


 



  
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Subject: LF: TA waterhole

  

Dear LF group,

lots of QRN again last 
  night. Around midnight UT, two distinct traces appeared on 137775.02 near the 
  XDW QRG, though the lousy condititions suggest Western European origin. After 
  5:00, VO1NA was faintly visible - see appended SpecLab RDF snapshots (21mHz 
  resolution, 0.2Hz ticks, 15 sec/pix).

73 de Markus, 
  DF6NM



  

  


  

  

  


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Tnx Mal.   That dating makes more sense. 
73,    Roger.


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At the moment EA1PX is calling on  137702.5Hz. 14dB above the noise.

OH5UFO is calling on 137695Hz 25db above the noise level.

Now 2022z G3YXM 32dB above the noise level is calling EA1PX.
  

 Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
 Locator: JO52HO



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José and group,
got your signal at abt 20:15 UTC with O copy. Heavy qrn, so no report in dBu
possible. While I was writing the text in QRSS-program,  the scree tured
dark during that time, so I lost control of what's going on, specially, as I
received an M, after finish and thought, some om replied on you.
Guess we'll have another one in time.
73 and best regards, Peter, dj9dw.




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Dear Alan, LF Group,


 


The fluted ferrite rods are probably "impeder rods" 
- these are used for induction welding of the seams in metal tubing produced by 
rolling strip metal. They fit inside the tube at the point where the weld is 
being made. Their purpose is to force the induced current to flow through the 
weld, rather than around the circumference of the tube; there is a fairly good 
description at:


 



 


The purose of the flutes is to allow the 
circulation of cooling water, allthough it may also be significant in reducing 
eddy currents. My old Philips ferrite data book lists these as 
available in either 3C85 or 3D3 (a somewhat lower permeability ferrite otherwise 
similar to 3C85). The induction welding application normally operates in 
the LF/MF range at the 10s of kW level - potentially these might be useful in an 
LF TX loading coil application, if a coil using them can be made with high 
enough Q...


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


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Hi Jim, Thanks for that, It seems that these could well be useful. they
certainly work well tuning my receive solenoid. You certainly get a good
sized lump or ferrite for your £3-00
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia(at)btinternet.com

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From: "James Moritz" 
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Subject: LF: Re: fluted ferrite cores


Dear Alan, LF Group,

The fluted ferrite rods are probably "impeder rods" - these are used for
induction welding of the seams in metal tubing produced by rolling strip
metal. They fit inside the tube at the point where the weld is being made.
Their purpose is to force the induced current to flow through the weld,
rather than around the circumference of the tube; there is a fairly good
description at:

http://www.impeder.com/Efficiency/efficiency.html

The purose of the flutes is to allow the circulation of cooling water,
allthough it may also be significant in reducing eddy currents. My old
Philips ferrite data book lists these as available in either 3C85 or 3D3 (a
somewhat lower permeability ferrite otherwise similar to 3C85). The
induction welding application normally operates in the LF/MF range at the
10s of kW level - potentially these might be useful in an LF TX loading coil
application, if a coil using them can be made with high enough Q...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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VO1NA: O copy of the QRSS30 signal 2300-0530z. Signal was stable only
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Traces of VO1NA from 00:00 UTC good O copy around local dawn.
Sorry nothing else copied. Kp index still low so will keep on looking.
Laurie G3AQC 



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Hi Edgar,

your DFCW signs were vy strong in JO43SV.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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WD2XDW off at 1330Z ish  - doing some mods prior to testing high power amp 
and dfcw tests. Web page will still show tx is up for the moment.

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 VO1NA O copy of the QRSS30 signal 2300-0030 UTC and 0200-0230 UTC.
 0100-0130 UTC I missed the first part of the callsign (fading or
 off?). 0300-0530 UTC only traces.

 WD2XES captured 0300-0340 UTC and a short time after 0500 UTC.

 Hartmut Wolff               mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
 Locator: JO52HO


> Traces of VO1NA from 00:00 UTC good O copy around local dawn.
> Sorry nothing else copied. Kp index still low so will keep on looking.
> Laurie G3AQC 



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Hi,


 


I received only this trace during my 
overnight runn at 05:01 UTC this morning 


 


vy 73 
Ingolf


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Good signal of VO1NA here in Germany last night. O copy of the QRSS30
signal 0100-0530 UTC. Some partial copies of the 5wpm signal around
0455 UTC.


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Hello Jeff and José plus group,
Jeff, we had some changing condx here. QRSS3  fb and  OOO. Singal the raised
and was good for cw, as you also discovered. At maximum 6 dB S+N/N During
cw-qso condx went down agn, so hard time here. Meanwhile I am conviced to do
some antennawork for rx. Hartmut sent quite some links, now I have to go
through that and hope to come to some effective conclusion.

Now José, tnx for your reply on my call, but did not  discover your signal.
Again:
I NEED AN RX-ANTENNA. Any way, qrn-cracks have decreased a lot and there are
better times to come still. We won't give up.
I ran 1.5 Amps into the umbrella 20m up.

73 de Peter, dj9dw, JO40LE.





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Seems they are turning it on and off alot over the 
last couple of days...


 


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Hi  rare daytime morse signal from G3XIZ on 136.5 at 1644 calling CQ. I had
severe TV SMPSU interference FMing across the band but the signal was well
readable at about 579.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia(at)btinternet.com




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Leicester show





Dear all.




Anyone going to the Leicester show tomorrow, Friday?


There's a rumour that G4GVC will be there!


I'll hang around the bar at 1 O-clock (no change there then)…




73


Dave G3YXM






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Best strength of VO1NA 2200-2220 UTC last night, but after the "1" the
signal was off. Again on 2315 UTC.
O copy of the full callsign 0000-0030 and 0300-0330. After 0000 UTC
the signal was much weaker than the previous nights.

Nothing else copied!
  

 Hartmut Wolff                         mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de
 Locator: JO52HO



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Same here.

Quite good early on, getting worse towards dawn.

73

Dave G3YXM 

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Best strength of VO1NA 2200-2220 UTC last night, but after the "1" the
signal was off. Again on 2315 UTC.
O copy of the full callsign 0000-0030 and 0300-0330. After 0000 UTC the
signal was much weaker than the previous nights.

Nothing else copied!
  

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Leicester show
Dave Pick said:

Anyone going to the Leicester show tomorrow, Friday?
There's a rumour that G4GVC will be there!
I'll hang around the bar at 1 O-clock (no change there then).

I will be there on Saturday - I am giving an antenna talk at 1400.
It would be nice to see G4GVC again

Erica and myself staying at the Thistle Hotel (East Midlands Airport) Friday
and Saturday night.

Peter G3LDO