From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85245 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 08:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 08:02:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrBKC-00048t-Ad for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:04:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrBKC-00048q-8O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:04:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BrBIL-000Bzf-H9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 08:02:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrBHZ-0007GY-N6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:01:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrBHZ-0007GP-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:01:25 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrBHQ-0000WQ-RY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 09:01:25 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([216.232.223.132]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040801080110.YMIS3769.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:01:10 -0600 Message-ID: <021401c4779d$b57c2780$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c47638$3ef1d9e0$30e9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:01:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: F6BWO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Mal

We're all working hard over here to make your life more interesting :)

73 Scott,VE7TIL

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:21 AM

Subject: LF: F6BWO

The only activity seen this past couple of weeks has been F6BWO. Active this morning on 137.7 khz solid O copy also seen last week about the same time calling CQ without any response.

It seems LF activity has virtually ground to a halt, certainly not worth all the effort to engineer and set up a station these days.

The novelty of LF as gone away apart from a few stragglers, activity is unlikely to reach the peak of a few years ago when the 137 khz band was released to amateurs.

I listen periodically daytime and early evenings and if anyone wants a report I will work xband 7025 khz approx avoiding QRM.

mode CW.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33255 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 11:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 11:00:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrE7Q-000KoW-Ed for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:03:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrE7Q-000KoT-CT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:03:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrE5K-00007h-Ur for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:00:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrE4J-0007g0-Ew for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:59:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrE4J-0007fr-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:59:55 +0100 Received: from smtp120.tiscali.dk ([62.79.79.111]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrE4F-0000wd-MK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:59:55 +0100 Received: from urban (39.ppp135.rsd.worldonline.se [213.204.135.39]) by smtp120.tiscali.dk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i71Axm0v098023 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:59:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from urban.ekholm@tiscali.se) Message-ID: <000e01c477b6$efde6820$2787ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> From: "Urban Ekholm" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:01:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Right now beaconing on 137675 from JO78SQ

Anyone listening ?

73 SM5EUF /Urban

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54176 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 11:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 11:17:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrEN4-000DWz-3h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:19:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrEN4-000DWw-1e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:19:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrELC-0007UB-4f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:17:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrEKr-0007lN-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:17:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrEKq-0007lE-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:17:00 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrEKi-0000zS-Ou for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:17:00 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.184.149]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040801111517.WVAO12282.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: <00a201c477b9$62396440$0c540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c477b6$efde6820$2787ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:19:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

At what speed ? If CW I'll listen promptly

G3GVB / Bryan

----- Original Message -----

From: Urban Ekholm

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:01 PM

Subject: LF: Beaconing

Right now beaconing on 137675 from JO78SQ

Anyone listening ?

73 SM5EUF /Urban

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76494 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 11:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 11:42:34 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrElR-000Eeo-Jx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:44:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrElR-000Eel-Ho for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:44:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BrEjZ-0000X0-FB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:42:33 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrEjA-0007rv-67 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:42:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrEj9-0007rm-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:42:07 +0100 Received: from smtp120.tiscali.dk ([62.79.79.111]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrEj6-00013J-DY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:42:07 +0100 Received: from urban (31.ppp138.rsd.worldonline.se [213.204.138.31]) by smtp120.tiscali.dk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i71Bg10v007356 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:42:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from urban.ekholm@tiscali.se) Message-ID: <000b01c477bc$d508d7a0$1f8accd5@ekholmtiscali.se> From: "Urban Ekholm" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c477b6$efde6820$2787ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> <00a201c477b9$62396440$0c540150@captbrian> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:43:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Sri, forgot to indicate speed, it is QRSS3 and I guess the radiated power is around 100mW or so !

73 SM5EUF !

----- Original Message -----

From: captbrian

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:19 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Beaconing

At what speed ? If CW I'll listen promptly

G3GVB / Bryan

----- Original Message -----

From: Urban Ekholm

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:01 PM

Subject: LF: Beaconing

Right now beaconing on 137675 from JO78SQ

Anyone listening ?

73 SM5EUF /Urban

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1863 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 12:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 12:09:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrFBi-000Os7-7n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:11:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrFBi-000Os4-5f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:11:38 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrF9c-000JC5-5H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:09:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrF90-0007zV-Mx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:08:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrF90-0007zM-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:08:50 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrF8w-000187-R3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:08:50 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO leonids) (ganymede444@81.154.145.249 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 12:08:41 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:09:54 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c477b6$efde6820$2787ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: RE: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Well, nothing heard QRSS3s as of 12:00 utc in IO91RM....but my antenna isn't very effective at the moment! Do you try QRSS30s, say, between 12:15 and 12:20 utc?

73,

Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Urban Ekholm
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:02 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Beaconing

Right now beaconing on 137675 from JO78SQ

Anyone listening ?

73 SM5EUF /Urban

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27657 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 12:46:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrFlj-0000z7-Iz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:48:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrFlj-0000z4-Gj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:48:51 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrFjd-0004uR-6y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:46:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrFjG-00088i-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:46:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrFjG-00088Z-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:46:18 +0100 Received: from smtp120.tiscali.dk ([62.79.79.111]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrFjC-0001Ex-PZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:46:18 +0100 Received: from urban (56.ppp144.rsd.worldonline.se [213.204.144.56]) by smtp120.tiscali.dk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i71CkC0v021198 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from urban.ekholm@tiscali.se) Message-ID: <001901c477c5$cc45b6c0$3890ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> From: "Urban Ekholm" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:48:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi !

I have now finished beaconing. Sri but I cannot easily change to QRSS30. The xmitter is keyed by a PIC16F84 mounted in the tx and used as both keyer and beacon generator. The speed is not easily changed. I am at the summer QTH and I neither have the cable with me that makes it possible to key from the PC nor the PIC-programmer HI.

Anyway Dave, thanks for trying !

If anyone is interested I could make another try tonight again.

73 SM5EUF / Urban

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45178 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 12:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 12:58:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrFwl-0001TF-VD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:00:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrFwl-0001TC-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:00:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BrFuf-000Kzq-Iv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:58:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrFuL-0008Et-TH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:57:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrFuL-0008Ek-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:57:45 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrFuI-0001Hq-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:57:45 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO leonids) (ganymede444@81.154.145.249 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 12:57:36 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:58:50 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c477c5$cc45b6c0$3890ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: RE: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

OK, Urban. I'll leave the RX on, and we can give it another try later.

73,

Dave/G3WCB

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Urban Ekholm
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:48 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Beaconing

Hi !

Anyway Dave, thanks for trying !

If anyone is interested I could make another try tonight again.

73 SM5EUF / Urban

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65553 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 13:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 13:26:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrGNb-000JoA-07 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:27:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrGNa-000Jo7-UG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:27:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrGLi-000Hlu-8s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:26:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrGLD-0008Mb-NK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:25:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrGLD-0008MS-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:25:31 +0100 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrGL9-0001MH-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:25:31 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id l.a9.5dcf8222 (4116) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:25:17 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

ROCK ON ! Bryan.

I am also contemplating a box with little electric fires in tiny jam jars which screams out for modding to LF.

p.s. The electronics looks easy but in which opening do I shovel the coal and should the S-meter read bar or psi ?

Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38081 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 14:46:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 14:46:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrHdP-000NZs-3C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:48:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrHdP-000NZp-12 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:48:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrHbV-000CSS-TK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:46:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrHau-0000AA-9c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:45:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrHat-0000A1-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:45:47 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrHaq-0001Z1-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:45:47 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.106.148 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 14:45:38 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c477d6$399836c0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c477c5$cc45b6c0$3890ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Beaconing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Urban, I could see your QRSS3 signal but had a lot of TV interference so could not "read" the screen. It would have been no problem before 1030z when the noise started. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Urban Ekholm" To: Sent: 01 August 2004 13:48 Subject: LF: Beaconing Hi ! I have now finished beaconing. Sri but I cannot easily change to QRSS30. The xmitter is keyed by a PIC16F84 mounted in the tx and used as both keyer and beacon generator. The speed is not easily changed. I am at the summer QTH and I neither have the cable with me that makes it possible to key from the PC nor the PIC-programmer HI. Anyway Dave, thanks for trying ! If anyone is interested I could make another try tonight again. 73 SM5EUF / Urban From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42066 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 14:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 14:50:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrHhA-000Nj9-Vg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:52:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrHhA-000Nj6-Tj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:52:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrHfH-000DQk-Lu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:50:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrHf8-0000Fa-Qy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:50:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrHf8-0000FR-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:50:10 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrHf4-0001a1-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:50:10 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.166.145) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 410C71F3000CE8DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c477d6$c974d3c0$91a624d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c477c5$cc45b6c0$3890ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:49:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

01./08/2004 1443z

Hello Urban and the group,

Nothing from my side, too much QRN (in JN0NTT), i must to continue the optmization of the reception.

OK for the cable :0) It is always the more little thing witch is the most important ( for exemple, the piece of

soldering wire!)

73 and TU for the activity

Jeff F6CWN

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----- Original Message -----

From: Urban Ekholm

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:48 PM

Subject: LF: Beaconing

Hi !

I have now finished beaconing. Sri but I cannot easily change to QRSS30. The xmitter is keyed by a PIC16F84 mounted in the tx and used as both keyer and beacon generator. The speed is not easily changed. I am at the summer QTH and I neither have the cable with me that makes it possible to key from the PC nor the PIC-programmer HI.

Anyway Dave, thanks for trying !

If anyone is interested I could make another try tonight again.

73 SM5EUF / Urban

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88664 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 15:35:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 15:35:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrIOl-000Pqx-2p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:37:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrIOl-000Pqu-0h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:37:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BrIMr-000GAg-Ji for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:35:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrIMX-0000Rp-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:35:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrIMX-0000Rg-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:35:01 +0100 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrIMU-0001h8-Ad for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:35:01 +0100 Received: from fwd01.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BrILf-00038V-02; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:34:07 +0200 Received: from hw1 (S8XYpZZl8eqA07FDCYfb318Lb38l3oX+3ZbYSdlY4KLu7RopL0+KrI@[217.83.140.35]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1BrILX-1SBlWy0; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:33:59 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:33:52 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <136673318.20040801173352@t-online.de> To: Urban Ekholm In-Reply-To: <000e01c477b6$efde6820$2787ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> References: <000e01c477b6$efde6820$2787ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: S8XYpZZl8eqA07FDCYfb318Lb38l3oX+3ZbYSdlY4KLu7RopL0+KrI X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RATWR9_MESSID=0.802,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.2 Subject: Re: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I saw a signal until 1229z but only "T" copy. 73 de Hartmut Wolff Locator: JO52HO > Right now beaconing on 137675 from JO78SQ > Anyone listening ? > 73 SM5EUF /Urban From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93126 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 15:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 15:40:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrITk-000AQy-LM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:42:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrITk-000AQv-Im for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:42:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrIRd-0001zA-5X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:40:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrIRQ-0000Vj-Ts for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:40:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrIRQ-0000Va-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:40:04 +0100 Received: from ms.genesis-technology.com ([63.171.43.8]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrIRM-0001iE-V2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:40:04 +0100 Received: from genesiswireless.us (rev-65.165.20.192.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.192]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i71FdtMv016227 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:39:55 -0500 Message-ID: <410D0FA5.6040402@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:43:33 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c47638$3ef1d9e0$30e9fc3e@l8p8y6> <021401c4779d$b57c2780$0201a8c0@private.network> In-Reply-To: <021401c4779d$b57c2780$0201a8c0@private.network> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_70_80=0.105,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544,MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.1,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) :-D ;-)

Mike
WE0H

Scott Tilley wrote:

Mal

We're all working hard over here to make your life more interesting :)

73 Scott,VE7TIL

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:21 AM

Subject: LF: F6BWO

The only activity seen this past couple of weeks has been F6BWO. Active this morning on 137.7 khz solid O copy also seen last week about the same time calling CQ without any response.

It seems LF activity has virtually ground to a halt, certainly not worth all the effort to engineer and set up a station these days.

The novelty of LF as gone away apart from a few stragglers, activity is unlikely to reach the peak of a few years ago when the 137 khz band was released to amateurs.

I listen periodically daytime and early evenings and if anyone wants a report I will work xband 7025 khz approx avoiding QRM.

mode CW.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96754 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 15:51:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrIeP-0000W2-Sd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:53:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrIeP-0000Vz-QW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:53:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BrIcW-000Jau-8K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:51:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrIbz-0000bR-Jv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:50:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrIbz-0000bI-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:50:59 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrIbv-0001kY-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:50:59 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BrIbu-0002wR-00 for ; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:50:54 +0100 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0772.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.4]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id i71Foo5R021132 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: <008f01c477df$56af7c10$0433f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:47:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO > ROCK ON ! Bryan. > > I am also contemplating a box with little electric fires in tiny jam jars > which screams out for modding to LF. > > p.s. The electronics looks easy but in which opening do I shovel the coal > and should the S-meter read bar or psi ? It doesn't matter as long as you measure the capacity in jars. 73 John G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84839 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 18:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 18:52:18 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrLTM-0009kf-Ls for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:54:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrLTM-0009kc-Jj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:54:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BrLRR-000Fcc-UX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:52:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrLQq-0001F4-Kt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:51:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrLQq-0001Ev-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:51:40 +0100 Received: from smtp130.tiscali.dk ([62.79.79.112]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrLQm-0002Di-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:51:40 +0100 Received: from urban (15.ppp133.rsd.worldonline.se [213.204.133.15]) by smtp130.tiscali.dk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i71IpWIL081759 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:51:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from urban.ekholm@tiscali.se) Message-ID: <001001c477f8$d76790e0$0f85ccd5@ekholmtiscali.se> From: "Urban Ekholm" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:53:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Thanks to all who listened !

Nice to see that at least something was seen in DL/G-land.

No more beaconing today ! We have had heavy rain and thunder. Water has entered the "coilhouse" so the whole contraption is out of resonance....

I will make more tests later on, hopfully with a bit more wire in the air!

73 SM5EUF in JO78SQ

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5752 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:07:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrOWD-000MUB-ML for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:09:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrOWD-000MU8-KJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:09:25 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrOUH-000D7Z-P7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:07:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrOTP-0001yv-Md for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:06:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrOTP-0001ym-Ba for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:06:31 +0100 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrOTM-0002mC-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:06:31 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id l.92.1123e353 (3980) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <92.1123e353.2e3ec359@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:06:17 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Thanks John!

Now I know that, I can set up some instrumentation to measure mod. depth in fathoms but a really neat trick gets me reading QRSS in kph (or mph) subject to parallex error on my trusty Faber slide rule!

73 de Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19657 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 22:18:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 22:18:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrOh5-000NBf-M4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:20:39 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BrOh5-000NBc-K0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:20:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BrOf9-000JKM-MJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:18:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BrOem-00025l-8H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:18:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BrOel-00025c-TC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:18:15 +0100 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BrOei-0002oj-7v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:18:15 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id l.ea.54d48af2 (3980) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:18:02 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Re: F6BWO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Actually, joking aside. I have on the bench a Trio(Kenwood) JR310 which has a very (?) stable VFO which might be further improved by "huff & puff" stabilisation (already discussed with G3nyk). The VFO is solid state but otherwise it is all "fluid technology" (in the sense that inter-electrode spaces are not solid) and seems remarkably "bombproof" in the presence of strong signals. It seems ripe for having LF added if image and other probs can be circumvented. I wonder if group members would care to comment.

Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71970 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 17:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 17:41:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs3Jl-0006uc-1Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:43:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs3Jk-0006uZ-VZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:43:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bs3HZ-000IG7-1Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:41:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs3GJ-0000Ct-QJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:39:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs3GJ-0000Cc-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:39:43 +0100 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bs3GF-0002PD-QR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:39:43 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.233.159) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F9973000073C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:39:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c47813$fb1b5240$9fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:07:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

I have been encouraging those interested in 137 khz acty to put out a signal and I will work them xband on 7025 khz. To date it seems that nobody is interested. The only activity seen this past couple of weeks is on the LAZY MAN'S CW or Beacon mode. The stations operating on these modes are audible with me and possibly others and a proper QSO is possible, in fact these countries have been worked before on CW many times, so what is the point.

If this is the trend these days, I would say LF is about finished.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56687 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 18:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 18:25:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs40y-000NTT-LV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:27:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs40y-000NTQ-Iu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:27:56 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bs3yW-000COT-9Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:25:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs3y1-0000N2-Md for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:24:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs3y1-0000Mt-AK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:24:53 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bs3xx-0002Zc-TP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:24:53 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.89]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040803182454.HILV9519.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:24:54 +0100 Message-ID: <005101c47987$8193a7e0$20540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c47813$fb1b5240$9fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:27:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

I'm new around here so :- Why cross-band ?

bryan G3GVB

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From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:07 PM

Subject: LF: CW

I have been encouraging those interested in 137 khz acty to put out a signal and I will work them xband on 7025 khz. To date it seems that nobody is interested. The only activity seen this past couple of weeks is on the LAZY MAN'S CW or Beacon mode. The stations operating on these modes are audible with me and possibly others and a proper QSO is possible, in fact these countries have been worked before on CW many times, so what is the point.

If this is the trend these days, I would say LF is about finished.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81520 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 19:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 19:48:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs5JT-000IKq-Vw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:51:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs5JT-000IKn-Tr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:51:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bs5HH-0007Wr-9U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:48:51 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs5Gl-0000at-UX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:48:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs5Gl-0000ak-JL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:48:19 +0100 Received: from postbode01.zonnet.nl ([62.58.50.88]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bs5Gi-0002rK-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:48:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 27870 invoked by uid 10); 3 Aug 2004 19:48:10 -0000 Received: (vexira-qq 27767-F5F14582 invoked from network) 03 Aug 2004 21:48:05 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.15]) (envelope-sender ) by postbode01.zonnet.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 3 Aug 2004 19:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <005101c47991$2a713ea0$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c47813$fb1b5240$9fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:35:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.16; VAE: 6.26.0.10; VDF: 6.26.0.57; host: postbode01.zonnet.nl) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

That would be a pitty.........

I do my transmitter and power supply running, but not had time to built the coil and antenna...

Hope to be on this winter........

73 Dick, pa4vhf (jo32eh)

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80003 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 23:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 23:24:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs8gR-000OCR-Oi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:27:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bs8gR-000OCO-MF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:27:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bs8dx-000NY7-AU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:24:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs8dR-00014N-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:23:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bs8dR-00014E-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:23:57 +0100 Received: from mail.algerfn.com ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bs8dN-0003Sw-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:23:57 +0100 Received: from genesiswireless.us (rev-65.165.20.192.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.192]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i73NNMMv024037 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: <41101F48.3050609@genesiswireless.us> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:27:04 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c47813$fb1b5240$9fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> <005101c47987$8193a7e0$20540150@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <005101c47987$8193a7e0$20540150@captbrian> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit That is so you guys can hear Mal :-D :-D calling you on 7025.

Later,

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI

captbrian wrote:

I'm new around here so :- Why cross-band ?

bryan G3GVB

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:07 PM

Subject: LF: CW

I have been encouraging those interested in 137 khz acty to put out a signal and I will work them xband on 7025 khz. To date it seems that nobody is interested. The only activity seen this past couple of weeks is on the LAZY MAN'S CW or Beacon mode. The stations operating on these modes are audible with me and possibly others and a proper QSO is possible, in fact these countries have been worked before on CW many times, so what is the point.

If this is the trend these days, I would say LF is about finished.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 245 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 00:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 00:54:36 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsA5O-000E8r-Jj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:56:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsA5O-000E8o-Hd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:56:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BsA39-000F8j-VW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:54:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsA2d-0001JH-3x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:54:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsA2c-0001J8-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:54:02 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsA2Z-0003kw-1A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:54:02 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.131.244.40 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 00:53:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c479bd$7e720d00$28f48351@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c47813$fb1b5240$9fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> <005101c47987$8193a7e0$20540150@captbrian> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 01:52:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear Bryan, LF Group,

Well, I suppose cross-band LF - HF is handy for those who have 136kHz receive capability but no 136k TX, allthough I have no idea why Mal can't transmit on LF at the moment.

At the moment, I don't have enough spare time to hang around in the shack for "random" operation - but if anyone would like to arrange a sked for a QSO or beacon signals on 136kHz, please let me know. I can also listen on HF if required.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----

From: captbrian

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:27 PM

Subject: LF: Re: CW

I'm new around here so :- Why cross-band ?

bryan G3GVB

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21700 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 01:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 01:14:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsAOY-0005nI-Fq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:16:42 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsAOY-0005nE-83 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:16:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsAM3-00009e-5q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:14:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsALj-0001OY-8C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:13:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsALi-0001OP-T1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:13:46 +0100 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsALa-0003ok-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:13:46 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([216.232.223.132]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040804011330.XLCF1004.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:13:30 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c479c0$41b550e0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c47813$fb1b5240$9fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:13:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

"The stations operating on these modes are audible with me and possibly others and a proper QSO is possible, in fact these countries have been worked before on CW many times, so what is the point."

EXPERIMENTATION! That's the point :)

To me it's not about the message it is about the medium...

73 Scott

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55950 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 01:47:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 01:47:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsAuU-00089Q-Dw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:49:42 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsAuU-00089N-Bh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:49:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsArz-000BGi-4W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:47:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsArU-0001Va-0B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:46:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsArT-0001VR-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:46:35 +0100 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsArQ-0003us-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:46:35 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.1db.27db2e7b (4418) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:46:22 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <1db.27db2e7b.2e4199ee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:46:22 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) In a message dated 8/3/04 3:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, knaap159@zonnet.nl writes: > That would be a pity......... What, the demise of LF? Don't worry, it's the same annual prediction Mal has been making since six months after the 136kHz band was first opened. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73715 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 02:03:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 02:03:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsB9j-000Ixm-Aw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:05:27 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsB9j-000Ixj-8b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:05:27 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsB7U-000OLP-AX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:03:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsB72-0001bY-Ut for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:02:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsB72-0001bP-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:02:40 +0100 Received: from mail.mister-haney.com ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsB6z-0003zN-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:02:40 +0100 Received: from genesiswireless.us (rev-65.165.20.192.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.192]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74226Mv013070 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:02:06 -0500 Message-ID: <4110447E.4@genesiswireless.us> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:05:50 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1db.27db2e7b.2e4199ee@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1db.27db2e7b.2e4199ee@aol.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052 Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit :-D :-D You da man John :-P

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI

WarmSpgs@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/3/04 3:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
knaap159@zonnet.nl writes:

That would be a pity.........


What, the demise of LF?  Don't worry, it's the same annual prediction Mal has 
been making since six months after the 136kHz band was first opened.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96829 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 02:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 02:23:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsBSy-000KTq-Mi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:25:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsBSy-000KTn-KS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:25:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BsBQj-000ORk-HU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 02:23:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsBQP-0001iK-2k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:22:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsBQO-0001iB-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:22:40 +0100 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsBQG-00043R-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 03:22:40 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([216.232.223.132]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040804022224.DFJA2939.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:22:24 -0600 Message-ID: <00dc01c479c9$e1df1f20$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:22:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: The 'VE6' test... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

VE3OT, Mitch is traveling to 'VE6' land and will establish a RX station north of Calgary, AB. Mitch will be in location from August 4th - 11th. He has with him a 5' octoloop.

Both Steve and Scott will be beaconing throughout this time.

Scott will continue beaconing on 137778.0Hz until Steve returns to Mayne Is. later this week at which point Steve will start beaconing . Scott will then QSY and nestle up to Steve's signal at ~137574Hz.

Steve's station is sporting a new high Q loading coil. Scott will be experimenting with a new antenna over the weekend and 400W of power.

Any reports from any direction are welcome and will help us assess our present station configurations. If you can't hear us try listening to CKN on 133.1KHz and provide reports of it's levels...

73 Scott

Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55218 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 06:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 06:29:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsFJK-0003Dm-1Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:31:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsFJJ-0003Dj-Vi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:31:37 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsFGm-0005oy-NA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:29:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsFGF-0002Ie-T5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:28:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsFGF-0002IV-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:28:27 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsFGB-0004tM-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:28:27 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.12]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040804062828.WJEI9519.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:28:28 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c479ec$965c7160$0c540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c47813$fb1b5240$9fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> <003a01c479c0$41b550e0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:30:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

It seems to me that if some Beaconing stations were on straightforward CW instead of the interesting but esoteric computerised QRSSS visual modes then newcomers (to LF) could at least identify what they were recieving and assess/improve their RX and antenna arrangements. So far I have heard one amateur station in several months and even that was not with a BFO but beating with the shush-bip-bip shush bip-bip shush bip-bip signal which permeates the band and drives me up the wall if I leave the rx running in the hope of hearing an amateur signal.. . Needless to say he disappeared before I could begin to do any experimenting with RX settings.

Peeps are about to tell me my rx's are not selective enough, I know, but it would be nice to have a signal on which to work.!!

Bryan G3GVB

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Tilley

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 2:13 AM

Subject: LF: Re: CW

"The stations operating on these modes are audible with me and possibly others and a proper QSO is possible, in fact these countries have been worked before on CW many times, so what is the point."

EXPERIMENTATION! That's the point :)

To me it's not about the message it is about the medium...

73 Scott

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68009 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 08:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 08:54:24 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsHa1-000GwJ-Mx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:57:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsHa1-000GwG-Gr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:57:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsHXT-000Ah7-57 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:54:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsHWi-0002c8-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:53:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsHWi-0002bz-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:53:36 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsHWe-0005Ls-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:53:36 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BsHWe-0007am-00 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:53:32 +0100 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-1013.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.245]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11/Debian-5) with ESMTP id i748rQnA011002 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: <016901c47a00$8579d7c0$af32f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:49:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) A few thoughts on why we are doing this: It seems well established that, if you (i) have enough real estate to put up a mast or masts of useful height and install a good earthing system and (ii) live in a quiet location, it is relatively easy to work interesting distances using hand-speed CW. I believe Mal has shown this. For many of us, none of the above desirable conditions obtains, but by collaborating with one another we have accumulated a body of knowledge of various techniques which enable us to make a better job of communicating in unpromising circumstances. People have worked distances which, when our LF allocations were first released, seemed impossible. If we had been able to borrow a redundant antenna at GBR, working across the Atlantic with it would have been a fine achievement but it would not have been anything like as great an achievement as doing so from a domestic garden. I feel we should avoid becoming obsessed with DX in the sense of distance. The abbreviation also has a connotation of difficulty. As people may be aware, my main interest in LF is for underground communications. I would be delighted if I could work through two or three kilometres of limestone on 136 or 87kHz (the latter being a common cave radio frequency) using SSB. Currently we have achieved something like half that. We should not decry technical aids such as computers. Sometimes they make things possible which otherwise just cannot be done. People doing moon-bounce or meteor-scatter seem happy to use such things (it is a long time since I heard complaints about people using high-speed tape recorders when working MS). Why should such devices be unacceptable at LF? Finally, for those who feel that we have reached a dead end, may I suggest a challenge? Analogue speech transmission in the form of single sideband has been used in the amateur service for more than 50 years. It is time we found something that is less greedy of bandwidth, preferably something that would work within a 100Hz channel so as to allow amateurs whose LF licenses limit their bandwidth to take part. 73 John G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41925 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 12:05:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 12:05:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsKZ8-000CuT-RO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:08:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsKZ8-000CuQ-PU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:08:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsKWZ-000FMV-6N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:05:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsKVx-00035I-LF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:05:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsKVx-000359-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:05:01 +0100 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsKVt-00064K-Fz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:05:01 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.30.5cec4476 (3874) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:04:46 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <30.5cec4476.2e422ade@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:04:46 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

As a start John, we might have to define our terms as to what is acceptable as "speech transmission"!

Dependant upon the defined term we can commence with a series of logical steps toward such a goal.

At the "starter" end there is perhaps the simple "Voice-to-code, Code-to-voice" protocol of speech recognition to keyer (morse or other) and the various demod possibilities with the attendant condition that one might call "CQ" into one's mic. today, and be attendant upon one's receiving apparatus for a speech reply sometime during the following week! The thing starts to take on interesting possibilities if it is acceptable to involve networking infrastructure with only some of the task being allocated to the RF path at LF.

However, I believe that chucking these questions and ideas up in the air for all to catch and play with is what will prompt experimentation and potential solution(s).

"Is there somebody out there ?" is a whole sentence and, as we are all aware, requires very few data bits to be identified as such in innumerable languages without complicated translation.

Lateral thinking might, therefore, suggest that "speech" should be redefined when "transmission" at narrow bandwidths is invoked. This is more or less what we are doing today - conveying sense and meaning. Your question may in fact be posing as a whole range of problems to whet our appetites!

Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87084 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 13:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 13:09:06 -0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsLYH-000NGk-Eg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:11:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsLVy-000Lde-8P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:09:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsLVX-0003Hv-46 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:08:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsLVW-0003Hm-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:08:38 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsLVS-0006Js-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:08:38 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1BsLV4-0002gY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:08:10 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BsLV3-0005pN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:08:09 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:08:07 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G4gvw@aol.com
Sent: 04 August 2004 13:05
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes

As a start John, we might have to define our terms as to what is acceptable as "speech transmission"!

Dependant upon the defined term we can commence with a series of logical steps toward such a goal.

At the "starter" end there is perhaps the simple "Voice-to-code, Code-to-voice" protocol of speech recognition to keyer …

Dear LF Group,

In my rather limited knowledge, there seem to be two approaches. One is to encode the speech waveform in an efficient way that allows transmission at a relatively low data rate, whilst still allowing a reasonable facsimile of the speaker’s voice to be reconstructed at the receiving end. An example of this would be the “CELP” encoding used for GSM mobile phones. I think the problem for LF would be that the minimum practical bandwidth would still be fairly large – I recall G4JNT did some work on digital speech for HF in a SSB bandwidth – perhaps he could comment.

The other way would be not to worry about exactly reproducing the speaker’s voice, accepting that whoever the speaker was, they would always sound like Prof. Stephen Hawking at the receiver, but as G4GVW says, transmitting just the meaning of the spoken words. One way to to do this would be for speech recognition software at the transmitter to generate text that could be transmitted at maybe several 10s to a few 100 bits/s, and then fed into a speech synthesizer at the receiver. I think the problem with this is that speech recognition algorithms don’t seem to be very accurate – when used with word processors, etc. the user has to speak carefully, extensively “train” the software and make many corrections when the software identifies the wrong word. This is not so bad when the speaker reviews the text afterwards, but disastrous for a “real time” conversation in a difficult environment! I think that a possible way round this would be to break the speaker’s voice down into phonetic information rather than text – but perhaps someone knows better?

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89885 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 18:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 18:15:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsQL4-00038J-Ph for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:18:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsQL4-00038G-NX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:18:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsQIj-0007hY-O0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:15:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsQHX-0003zY-PQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsQHW-0003zG-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:30 +0100 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsQHS-0007OS-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:30 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.234.94) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F99730003985E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:14:19 +0000 Message-ID: <004a01c478e1$ffab2f00$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <30.5cec4476.2e422ade@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:28:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

----- Original Message -----

From: G4gvw@aol.com

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:04 PM

Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes

Why do you need to go to all this trouble when a competent CW operator can DO BETTER. For those that do not or cannot master CW, start learning. This is the most sensible and most cost efficient way to approach the business. No expensive computers or other devices needed.

All that is needed is dedication and some work and not depend on the LAZY MAN'S approach.

As a start John, we might have to define our terms as to what is acceptable as "speech transmission"!

Dependant upon the defined term we can commence with a series of logical steps toward such a goal.

At the "starter" end there is perhaps the simple "Voice-to-code, Code-to-voice" protocol of speech recognition to keyer (morse or other) and the various demod possibilities with the attendant condition that one might call "CQ" into one's mic. today, and be attendant upon one's receiving apparatus for a speech reply sometime during the following week! The thing starts to take on interesting possibilities if it is acceptable to involve networking infrastructure with only some of the task being allocated to the RF path at LF.

However, I believe that chucking these questions and ideas up in the air for all to catch and play with is what will prompt experimentation and potential solution(s).

"Is there somebody out there ?" is a whole sentence and, as we are all aware, requires very few data bits to be identified as such in innumerable languages without complicated translation.

Lateral thinking might, therefore, suggest that "speech" should be redefined when "transmission" at narrow bandwidths is invoked. This is more or less what we are doing today - conveying sense and meaning. Your question may in fact be posing as a whole range of problems to whet our appetites!

Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89947 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 18:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 18:15:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsQLN-0004ZD-4J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:18:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsQLN-0004ZA-24 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:18:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsQIk-0007v8-Tc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:15:46 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsQHY-0003zp-Qt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsQHY-0003zg-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:32 +0100 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsQHU-0007OW-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:32 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.234.94) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F997300039879 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:14:23 +0000 Message-ID: <004c01c478e2$020f0fa0$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1db.27db2e7b.2e4199ee@aol.com> <4110447E.4@genesiswireless.us> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:38:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

----- Original Message -----

From: WE0H Mike

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:05 AM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW

:-D :-D You da man John :-P

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI

WarmSpgs@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/3/04 3:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
knaap159@zonnet.nl writes:

That would be a pity.........


What, the demise of LF?  Don't worry, it's the same annual prediction Mal has 
been making since six months after the 136kHz band was first opened.

What I have said in the past has turned out to be TRUE, only one station active

in the past month on 137 khz QRS, NO cw activity, and a couple of stations

on Beacon mode, which is a meaninless excercise.  When you get to High School

ultimately you will be able to comprehend what I am saying. Keep learning.

G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89954 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 18:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 18:15:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsQLN-0004ZK-ET for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:18:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsQLN-0004ZH-C7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:18:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsQIl-000PUF-6N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:15:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsQHX-0003zZ-Pq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsQHW-0003zH-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:30 +0100 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsQHS-0007OU-Ru for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:14:30 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.234.94) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F997300039875 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:14:21 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01c478e2$011c7240$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016901c47a00$8579d7c0$af32f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:31:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: LF: CW and other modes > A few thoughts on why we are doing this: > > It seems well established that, if you (i) have enough real estate to put up > a mast or masts of useful height and install a good earthing system and (ii) > live in a quiet location, it is relatively easy to work interesting > distances using hand-speed CW. I believe Mal has shown this. > > For many of us, none of the above desirable conditions obtains, but by > collaborating with one another we have accumulated a body of knowledge of > various techniques which enable us to make a better job of communicating in > unpromising circumstances. People have worked distances which, when our LF > allocations were first released, seemed impossible. If we had been able to > borrow a redundant antenna at GBR, working across the Atlantic with it would > have been a fine achievement but it would not have been anything like as > great an achievement as doing so from a domestic garden. > > I feel we should avoid becoming obsessed with DX in the sense of distance. > The abbreviation also has a connotation of difficulty. As people may be > aware, my main interest in LF is for underground communications. I would be > delighted if I could work through two or three kilometres of limestone on > 136 or 87kHz (the latter being a common cave radio frequency) using SSB. > Currently we have achieved something like half that. > > We should not decry technical aids such as computers. Sometimes they make > things possible which otherwise just cannot be done. People doing > moon-bounce or meteor-scatter seem happy to use such things (it is a long > time since I heard complaints about people using high-speed tape recorders > when working MS). Why should such devices be unacceptable at LF? > > Finally, for those who feel that we have reached a dead end, may I suggest a > challenge? > > Analogue speech transmission in the form of single sideband has been used in > the amateur service for more than 50 years. It is time we found something > that is less greedy of bandwidth, preferably something that would work > within a 100Hz channel so as to allow amateurs whose LF licenses limit their > bandwidth to take part. I doubt is there is anything available or in the pipe line to beat CW when it comes to B/Width and conveying a message the most economical way. > > 73 > John G3PAI > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85099 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 22:18:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsU8E-000Oue-9J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:21:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsU8E-000Oub-70 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:21:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsU5r-00062S-SJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:18:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsU5F-0004nd-M4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:18:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsU5F-0004nU-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:18:05 +0100 Received: from ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.57.60] helo=ylpvm29.prodigy.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsU5B-00088n-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:18:05 +0100 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (adsl-64-216-179-80.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [64.216.179.80]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MHwNW032177 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:18:00 -0400 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MI2ZX003321 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:18:02 -0500 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i74MI1EQ003317 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:18:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:18:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric KD5UWL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <004a01c478e1$ffab2f00$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> Message-ID: References: <30.5cec4476.2e422ade@aol.com> <004a01c478e1$ffab2f00$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mal, I can't think of a reason anyone would want to talk to you, CW or otherwise. All you do is tell everyone they suck. "Mal" is fitting. I'll bet you have lots of friends. Don't bother replying as emails through the reflector from you are routed to /dev/null ... I don't have the time to listen to fools. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3177 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 22:37:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsUR3-0005GA-DV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:40:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsUR3-0005G7-92 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:40:37 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BsUOP-000GA7-F0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:37:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsUO0-0004tN-DM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:37:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsUO0-0004tE-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:37:28 +0100 Received: from ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.57.60] helo=ylpvm29.prodigy.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsUNw-0008Dn-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:37:28 +0100 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (adsl-64-216-179-80.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [64.216.179.80]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MbNNW028093 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:37:23 -0400 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i74MbRZX003335 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:37:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id i74MbR0a003331 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:37:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:37:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric KD5UWL To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <30.5cec4476.2e422ade@aol.com> <004a01c478e1$ffab2f00$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit And you know what else, Mal? Smile, because you win. I'm off this reflector. A pox on you, your entire family, all your neighbors, everyone you know, and everyone you've ever met. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35090 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 23:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 23:00:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsUma-0002V6-CW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 00:02:52 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsUma-0002V3-AG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 00:02:52 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BsUkD-000MDF-Jh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:00:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsUji-00050A-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:59:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsUji-000501-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:59:54 +0100 Received: from mail.mister-haney.com ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsUje-0008JE-Ju for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:59:54 +0100 Received: from genesiswireless.us (rev-65.165.20.192.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.192]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i74Mx9Mv028217 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:59:10 -0500 Message-ID: <41116B33.1070807@genesiswireless.us> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:03:15 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1db.27db2e7b.2e4199ee@aol.com> <4110447E.4@genesiswireless.us> <004c01c478e2$020f0fa0$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <004c01c478e2$020f0fa0$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.544,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit High school was 20 years ago with college in between. Grow up loser >:o

Mike

hamilton mal wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: WE0H Mike

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:05 AM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: CW

:-D :-D You da man John :-P

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI

WarmSpgs@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/3/04 3:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
knaap159@zonnet.nl writes:

That would be a pity.........


What, the demise of LF?  Don't worry, it's the same annual prediction Mal has 
been making since six months after the 136kHz band was first opened.

What I have said in the past has turned out to be TRUE, only one station active

in the past month on 137 khz QRS, NO cw activity, and a couple of stations

on Beacon mode, which is a meaninless excercise.  When you get to High School

ultimately you will be able to comprehend what I am saying. Keep learning.

G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92160 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 02:18:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 02:18:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsXsO-000O4K-Lt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:21:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsXsO-000O4H-IU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:21:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsXpi-000Kow-Dg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:18:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsXpA-0005SN-Ad for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:17:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsXp9-0005SE-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:17:43 +0100 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsXp1-0000Sk-8P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:17:43 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([216.232.223.132]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040805021726.GBKX24002.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:17:26 -0600 Message-ID: <00c001c47a92$58d9d020$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <30.5cec4476.2e422ade@aol.com> <004a01c478e1$ffab2f00$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:17:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

"All that is needed is dedication and some work and not depend on the LAZY MAN'S approach."

Mal

Firstly, I think anyone who has the time and energy to build and operate a LF station in any mode is certainly NOT lazy...

Secondly, welcome to the 21st century where the younger generation are mastering modern skills and in my case the right of passage of learning CW to join this fraternity.

Lastly, have you mastered C or Assembly or even the basics of computer operation beyond creating pointless email? If not don't be so LAZY and put some of the time you spend wasting ours to use to learn them then create some software to share with others...

73 Scott

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes

----- Original Message -----

From: G4gvw@aol.com

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:04 PM

Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes

Why do you need to go to all this trouble when a competent CW operator can DO BETTER. For those that do not or cannot master CW, start learning. This is the most sensible and most cost efficient way to approach the business. No expensive computers or other devices needed.

All that is needed is dedication and some work and not depend on the LAZY MAN'S approach.

As a start John, we might have to define our terms as to what is acceptable as "speech transmission"!

Dependant upon the defined term we can commence with a series of logical steps toward such a goal.

At the "starter" end there is perhaps the simple "Voice-to-code, Code-to-voice" protocol of speech recognition to keyer (morse or other) and the various demod possibilities with the attendant condition that one might call "CQ" into one's mic. today, and be attendant upon one's receiving apparatus for a speech reply sometime during the following week! The thing starts to take on interesting possibilities if it is acceptable to involve networking infrastructure with only some of the task being allocated to the RF path at LF.

However, I believe that chucking these questions and ideas up in the air for all to catch and play with is what will prompt experimentation and potential solution(s).

"Is there somebody out there ?" is a whole sentence and, as we are all aware, requires very few data bits to be identified as such in innumerable languages without complicated translation.

Lateral thinking might, therefore, suggest that "speech" should be redefined when "transmission" at narrow bandwidths is invoked. This is more or less what we are doing today - conveying sense and meaning. Your question may in fact be posing as a whole range of problems to whet our appetites!

Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48983 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 04:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 04:30:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsZvl-0001OA-S4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 05:32:42 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsZvl-0001O7-Pa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 05:32:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BsZtN-0004jP-5r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 04:30:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsZsm-0005rI-P7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 05:29:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsZsm-0005r9-FH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 05:29:36 +0100 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsZsj-0000y6-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 05:29:36 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.142.30023117 (4328) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <142.30023117.2e4311a3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:29:23 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Why do you need to go to all this trouble when a > competent CW operator can DO BETTER. Because that notion is sheer fantasy. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18388 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 08:48:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsdyK-0006uz-0u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:51:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsdyJ-0006uw-Up for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:51:35 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bsdvb-00049W-Ng for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:48:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsdv3-0006XD-LP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:48:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsdv3-0006X4-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:48:13 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.171]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsdv0-0001tn-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:48:13 +0100 Received: from modem-36.dimrill.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.155.36] helo=d6y6c7) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsduy-0004bC-EH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:48:09 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c47ac9$084e4960$249b883e@d6y6c7> From: "Lawrence Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:47:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_FROM_SPAM_WORD3=0.1 Subject: LF: Re. CW and other modes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I can think of no-one else,other than Mal, who through disparaging and often rude remarks has done more to discourage activity on 137kHz. Laurie G3AQC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46268 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 10:36:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 10:36:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsfeS-000LNi-6H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:39:12 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsfeS-000LNf-3p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:39:12 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bsfbj-0008qo-Br for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:36:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsfbA-0006p4-Uk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:35:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsfbA-0006ov-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:35:48 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.144]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsfb6-0002Oe-Ul for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:35:48 +0100 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (mdt-17671.adsl.wanadoo.nl [81.69.148.113]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B3C53C68 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:35:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <41120D76.8010405@wanadoo.nl> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:35:34 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <30.5cec4476.2e422ade@aol.com> <004a01c478e1$ffab2f00$5eeafc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Eric KD5UWL wrote: >And you know what else, Mal? Smile, because you win. I'm off this >reflector. > >A pox on you, your entire family, all your neighbors, everyone you know, >and everyone you've ever met. > > Eric You beat me on this one :-X 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57263 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 10:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 10:41:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsfij-000BH1-41 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:43:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsfii-000BGs-UJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:43:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsfgI-00078D-12 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:41:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsfg6-0006sq-UT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:40:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsfg6-0006sh-JF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:40:54 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsfg3-0002Qa-75 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:40:54 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.14.9 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 10:40:45 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c47ad8$a1bf2600$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.6.32.20040805184242.007e0d60@pop.earthlight.co.nz> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:34:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Robert s Test Sunday 1 st & 2nd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > Hello All, > > Robert's transmission last Sunday night-- Monday > > morning was rather disappointing. > > The magnetic storm on the Sun during previous > few days may have been a factor.. Hi Stan, I am sorry to hear of the disappointing results of your test. It is a little surprising as that path seems as though it ought to be a good one. The Geomagnetic storm may have left some absorption behind but it did seem to be decaying quite rapidly. The path is probably similar in length to our path from VO1NA (abt 3500 km ) also mainly over water, and Joe is usually heard/seen in the UK whenever he is transmitting. He uses about 120 W to a 50 foot inverted "L" and QRSS30. It is not unusual to get "unfavourable nights" when the fading does not help the signal. In stable conditions this can wipe out the complete night, as there are no changes to push the signal up. This is usually location dependent and one receiving station will get nothing whilst another will see good signals all night. Thanks for posting the details regards Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4975 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 11:04:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 11:04:14 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsg56-000E2k-DR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:06:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsg56-000E2f-5P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:06:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bsg2f-000L21-1x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:04:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsg2E-00070E-L7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:03:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsg2E-000705-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:03:46 +0100 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsg2A-0002Wv-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:03:46 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.8.53d4049a (4426) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <8.53d4049a.2e436e05@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 07:03:33 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Whoa! Hold up there guys!

There is always more than one aspect to every argument and in particular Amateur Radio.

By whatever route, most on here are licensed radio amateurs. I believe I am correct in assuming that the essence of the licence in most countries is that it permits and encourages "self-training and education in the principles and practices of radio communication".

Looking at the callsigns which appear regularly I would further surmise that most have had to learn morse code to obtain their licence class. However, the many and varied techniques of keying and modulating available to us have come about mainly through the effort and application of collective and individual endeavour.

I don't think that a "slagging match" is going to contribute much to the furtherance of our serious study or leisurely pursuits in the hobby. If one's "dander" is up (no matter which side of the argument) then the adrenaline might well be better employed doing something constructive. The further pursuit of excellence in whatever technique takes your fancy is recommended.

73 g4gvw

p.s. deserting the field of play seems counter-productive to me!

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47064 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 11:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 11:21:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsgLV-000Fqt-EJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsgLV-000Fqq-Bg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:23:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsgJ4-0006hd-2f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:21:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsgIe-000764-SX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:20:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsgIe-00075v-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:20:44 +0100 Received: from cas-mta4-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.32] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsgIb-0002c3-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:20:44 +0100 Received: from w8k3f0 (53556B6D.cable.casema.nl [83.85.107.109]) by cas-mta4.mgmt.casema.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with SMTP id <0I1Z00E620UB8S@cas-mta4.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:20:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:24:52 +0200 From: Dick Rollema To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000a01c47ade$d944a720$6d6b5553@w8k3f0> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: New e-mail address PA0SE Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

To All from PA0SE

I got a new e-mail address.

Old address: d.w.rollema@freeler.nl

New address: dickrollema@casema.nl

You can also use: pa0se@amsat.org

73, Dick, PA0SE

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35578 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 12:58:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 12:58:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bshs3-0000SJ-8Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:01:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bshs3-0000SG-5h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:01:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bshpb-000BIl-C4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:58:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bshol-0007Ms-VJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:57:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bshol-0007Mj-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:57:59 +0100 Received: from generation.lgisp.net ([208.181.178.12] helo=joseph.ncoldns.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bshoj-00030q-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:57:59 +0100 Received: from jsm (gi109.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.117]) by joseph.ncoldns.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 874EEB8F00 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 05:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003601c47aec$2c95c5a0$7511f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8.53d4049a.2e436e05@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:00:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: CW and other modes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

>p.s. deserting the field of play seems counter-productive to me!

Well put. Your presence here is valued. Don't let the comments of a jaded reprobate make you bitter as well.

Steve / VE7SL

'THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK' : http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95936 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 15:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 15:35:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BskJb-0008Lh-Dq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:37:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BskJb-0008Le-BC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:37:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BskGq-000Ch6-Gr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 15:35:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BskGE-0007oC-Dg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:34:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BskGE-0007o1-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:34:30 +0100 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BskGA-0003cd-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:34:30 +0100 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BskG8-0004d0-00; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:34:24 +0200 Received: from (Tn0qD4ZS8ekZGnuK8s6vyk4D6OwwI0o03TGfg1R6of1zXBFgu4ig0X@[217.251.195.29]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BskG4-2880000; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:34:20 +0200 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.6.32.20040805184242.007e0d60@pop.earthlight.co.nz> <000201c47ad8$a1bf2600$6507a8c0@Main> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:34:20 +0200 Message-ID: <1BskG4-2880000@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-ID: Tn0qD4ZS8ekZGnuK8s6vyk4D6OwwI0o03TGfg1R6of1zXBFgu4ig0X X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.574,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.2 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Joe, is your beacon on air? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40766 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 18:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 18:52:41 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsnOU-000Cf0-Ag for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:55:15 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsnOU-000Cex-7D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:55:14 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsnM0-0007BX-5n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:52:40 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsnKg-0008K2-9i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:51:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsnKf-0008Jt-RR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:51:17 +0100 Received: from h13.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.63] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsnKc-0004Ej-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:51:17 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.76) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F9A180006688F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:51:08 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c479b0$4e06f3e0$4ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:18:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: CW MODE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

It seems every time that CW is mentioned as an efficient mode of communications, especially on LF when one has to consider bandwidth because we only have about 2khz available, some seem to get upset and reply in a derogatory manner.

There is no other mode currently in use that suits radio amateur type activity when considering bandwidth and transfer of information. Commercial activity is entirely different where large amounts of through traffic is essential and the users employ appliance operators, with basic skills.

I have been involved over the years with FDM and TDM systems and other associated modes and these are fine for commercial applications but not suitable for the radio amateur with only a signal report exchange.

For those enquiring. I started computer technology in the days when one had to build/assemble their own computer and write the appropriate software. I also started amateur radio when the only option was self build, especially the TX or modify ex govt equipment.The GPO licence then was for CW only for the first 12 months and phone was only permitted after proving that the licencee had worked a minimum of 200 successful CW QSO'S.

How things have changed. Some one on here recently remarked that the most difficult part of getting a radio amateur licence at present was being able to fill in the appropriate FORMS !!!!!!!!!

de G3KEV (retired RADIO and Electronics Officer, Aeronautical, Marine and Fixed Services)

for those who do not know what that means. Licensed to operate from aircraft, ships, fixed ground stations aeronautical or marine and government establishments.

The morse test was at a speed of 25 wpm or 30 wpm for the extra class and the duration of the test was for 15 minutes non stop. The technical papers examinations required at least 60 percent pass but most achieved between 70 - 90 percent.

To day the pass mark required is around 30 percent at university.

These statistics might upset even more people !!

end

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85282 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 19:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 19:52:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsoKW-000I4K-Un for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:55:13 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsoKW-000I4H-SO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:55:12 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BsoI2-000Gi0-IL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:52:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsoHU-0008VN-Uq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:52:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsoHU-0008VE-J5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:52:04 +0100 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes42.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsoHQ-0004Of-13 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:52:04 +0100 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes42.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.03 201-2131-111-105-20040624) with ESMTP id <20040805195151.BUCI1979.priv-edtnes42.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:51:51 -0600 Received: from 204.174.12.17 ( [204.174.12.17]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:51:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1091735511.41128fd7727ef@webmail.telus.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:51:51 -0700 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003501c479b0$4e06f3e0$4ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <003501c479b0$4e06f3e0$4ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.17 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869 Subject: Re: LF: CW MODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > de G3KEV (retired RADIO and Electronics Officer, Aeronautical, Marine and > Fixed Services) > for those who do not know what that means. Licensed to operate from aircraft, > ships, fixed ground stations aeronautical or marine and government... blah blah blah... A man's worth is not measured by the words he utters but by the actions he takes... My point still stands then DO something to better the hobby with your oh so superior talents rather then bother us with pointless rambling... Time to use my meger skills to put a 'Mal' filter on the mail generated by this reflector... Note to others: Use the message rules function in outlook and place a rule on sender 'hamliton mal' and direct it towards the recycle bin... Most other email clients should have a function like this... 73 Scott From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59571 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 20:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 20:39:01 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsp3h-000GQH-S2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:41:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsp3h-000GQE-Po for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:41:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bsp0u-000Not-RY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 20:39:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsp0e-0000Du-NX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:38:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsp0e-0000Dl-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:38:44 +0100 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsp0a-0004X0-V6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:38:44 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86815137655 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:38:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1811376A6 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1EC4C0D1 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 199.37-201-80.adsl.skynet.be (199.37-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.37.199]) by webmail2.kuleuven.be (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:38:34 +0200 Message-ID: <1091738314.41129acab3020@webmail2.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:38:34 +0200 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003501c479b0$4e06f3e0$4ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <003501c479b0$4e06f3e0$4ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Originating-IP: 80.201.37.199 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: CW MODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Whaw ... I am impressed. Superman is a ham ! 73 Rik ON7YD > It seems every time that CW is mentioned as an efficient mode of > communications, especially on LF when one has to consider bandwidth > because we only have about 2khz available, some seem to get upset and > reply in a derogatory manner. > There is no other mode currently in use that suits radio amateur type > activity when considering bandwidth and transfer of information. > Commercial activity is entirely different where large amounts of > through traffic is essential and the users employ appliance > operators, with basic skills. > I have been involved over the years with FDM and TDM systems and > other associated modes and these are fine for commercial applications > but not suitable for the radio amateur with only a signal report > exchange. > For those enquiring. I started computer technology in the days when > one had to build/assemble their own computer and write the > appropriate software. I also started amateur radio when the only > option was self build, especially the TX or modify ex govt > equipment.The GPO licence then was for CW only for the first 12 > months and phone was only permitted after proving that the licencee > had worked a minimum of 200 successful CW QSO'S. > How things have changed. Some one on here recently remarked that the > most difficult part of getting a radio amateur licence at present was > being able to fill in the appropriate FORMS !!!!!!!!! > > de G3KEV (retired RADIO and Electronics Officer, Aeronautical, Marine > and Fixed Services) > for those who do not know what that means. Licensed to operate from > aircraft, ships, fixed ground stations aeronautical or marine and > government establishments. > The morse test was at a speed of 25 wpm or 30 wpm for the extra class > and the duration of the test was for 15 minutes non stop. The > technical papers examinations required at least 60 percent pass but > most achieved between 70 - 90 percent. > To day the pass mark required is around 30 percent at university. > These statistics might upset even more people !! > > end > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5932 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 21:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 21:41:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsq1a-0001ux-Bd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:43:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsq1a-0001ut-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:43:46 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bspz5-000FOd-0Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:41:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bspyd-0000PC-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:40:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bspyd-0000P3-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:40:43 +0100 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BspyZ-0004hq-9I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:40:43 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.dc.11156930 (4426) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:40:29 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: CW MODE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

To g3kev

Dear Mal,

It is with great reluctance that I rise to your bait!

You are not the only old timer on this band or any other!

I am now into my sixties but recognise that this hobby whether pursued for leisure or scientific reasons is meant to be a broad church. there are times when I too feel that maybe I should resent those who have obtained their licences in a less rigourous manner than maybe I judge was the case for me. But so be it! I don't make the rules. We live in a free and democratic country and if we do not approve of life as it is lived we are conditionally free to exercise our democratic rights.

I too can remember spending hours into the grey dawn learning how to program a 4-bit micro to send my callsign. I can also remember the embarrasment of spending hours while a local G3+++ debugged some of my awfull soldering on a UK101 single board computor!

At various stages both in professional life in the comms industry and in the hobby I was and still am humble enough to request and acknowledge with gratitude the help, advice and assistance of those with greater knowledge and experience. Sometimes I am both humbled and flattered when someone expects the same from me.

Now, I think this is getting out of hand and let's face it! Life is too short and the field of human endeavour worth far more than childish put downs. The future of this hobby requires that we all behave as a community, supporting each other.

If anyone is trying to keep score, then, please don't. And that includes participants!

Can we please, please get back to AMATEUR RADIO ?

g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96408 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 22:47:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 22:47:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsr48-0007zq-3p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:50:28 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bsr48-0007zn-0d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:50:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bsr1c-0000Tj-Js for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 22:47:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsr19-0000Zw-PQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:47:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bsr19-0000Zn-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:47:23 +0100 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bsr16-0004vp-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:47:23 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.ae.5e85756b (4426) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:47:09 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: CW MODE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

And, getting back to the main theme...................................

As I was saying on the twisted pair to my mate Alan G3nyk earlier, I've just spent an hour or two this afternoon debugging a Hewlett Packard 606a sig genny which develops +20dB into 50 Omegas at 136Khz ! Now I don't know about the world but watch out East Anglia when I figure out how to get that into the antenna! (Well, maybe the immediate locality won't be stretching ambition too far!)

And, yes! it uses little electric fires in little glass jars with discreet components like bypass caps which age and need diagnosing and replacing!

Life's too short! Guys (and YL's) gotta have fun!

let's play radio

73 Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29336 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2004 23:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2004 23:13:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsrSt-0009y2-G7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:16:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsrSt-0009xz-DR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:16:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BsrQN-000EGs-TC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:13:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsrQ2-0000gC-6l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:13:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsrQ1-0000g3-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:13:05 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsrPy-000508-DT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 00:13:05 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.2b.5df0bdaf (16781) for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.5df0bdaf.2e4418f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:12:51 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: Re: LF: CW MODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) In a message dated 8/5/04 2:53:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes: > There is no other mode currently in use that suits radio amateur type > activity when considering bandwidth and transfer of information. Dogmatic assertion. Numbers, please! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24175 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 00:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 00:29:29 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bssel-000BSK-6p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:32:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bssel-000BSH-4r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:32:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bssbw-000LmH-MW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:29:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bssb8-0000v1-Mh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:28:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bssb8-0000us-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:28:38 +0100 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes43.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bssb6-0005Gt-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:28:38 +0100 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes43.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.03 201-2131-111-105-20040624) with ESMTP id <20040806002829.DHKP480.priv-edtnes43.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:28:29 -0600 Received: from 204.174.12.17 ( [204.174.12.17]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:28:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1091752108.4112d0acf0431@webmail.telus.net> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:28:28 -0700 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.17 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: CW MODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > let's play radio > > 73 Pat g4gvw The voice of reason! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7125 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 00:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 00:54:17 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bst2T-000HWl-QY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:56:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bst2T-000HWi-No for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:56:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bsszx-0001jK-JG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:54:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsszA-00011V-Qf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:53:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsszA-00011M-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:53:28 +0100 Received: from generation.lgisp.net ([208.181.178.12] helo=joseph.ncoldns.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bssz8-0005LM-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:53:28 +0100 Received: from jsm (gi92.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.100]) by joseph.ncoldns.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 39E7AB6E9E for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001a01c47b50$22841c60$6411f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <40F41FBD.23550.EB831@localhost> <003501c46902$9f5ade00$5e11f4cc@jsm> <1089744151.40f42d17b55d5@webmail.telus.net> <001301c46910$e3195d20$4b11f4cc@jsm> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:55:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: " VE7SL" 2200m Beacon / VE6 Tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Now in beacon mode QRSS30 Freqeuncy: 137.5735 105 Watts out to a 3-wire flatop (20m), up15m 1.15A Ant current I will be running 24/7 for the next few days or until further notice (ie. smoke or a deer snagging the antenna!) Any reports greatfully received! QTH: Mayne Island, BC CN88 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38166 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 01:21:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 01:21:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BstSK-000JSj-Hm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:23:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BstSK-000JSg-E1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:23:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BstPo-000GwO-0w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:21:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BstPR-00018I-ON for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:20:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BstPR-000189-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:20:37 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BstPN-0005Qj-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 02:20:37 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([216.232.223.132]) by priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040806012025.YRWN9381.priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:20:25 -0600 Message-ID: <002401c47b53$8f9316a0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:20:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: 'VE7TIL' 2200m beacon QSY / VE6 Tests Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

The 2200m beacon has QSY'd to 137572.6Hz as of ~ 0120 UTC, August 6, 2004. Roughly 1Hz below VE7SL.

73 Scott

Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17917 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 03:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 03:52:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsvpO-0004rH-4C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:55:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsvpO-0004rE-1b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:55:34 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bsvmq-0005G0-Pj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:52:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsvmK-0001Yd-Jz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:52:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsvmK-0001YU-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:52:24 +0100 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsvmI-000644-Ge for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:52:24 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i763qFvl049076 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:22:16 -0230 (NDT) (envelope-from jcraig@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i763qFgC000754 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:22:15 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id i763qEEF000719; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:22:14 -0230 (NDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:22:13 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: Joe Craig In-Reply-To: <1852846753.20040721165021@t-online.de> Message-ID: References: <011c01c46d3c$1efa4500$0201a8c0@private.network> <1852846753.20040721165021@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Hartmut and thanks for the report. Sorry for the delay in the reply but I was away for a fortnight. The beacon is now off the air, but should return soon. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51149 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 04:20:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 04:20:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BswGZ-00045w-N6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:23:39 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BswGZ-00045r-Ev for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:23:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BswDj-000PIx-Dm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:20:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BswDM-0001fY-Eh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:20:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BswDM-0001fP-4E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:20:20 +0100 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BswDI-0006AF-LF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:20:20 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i764K9vl060721 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:50:10 -0230 (NDT) (envelope-from jcraig@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i764K8gC001839 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:50:09 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id i764K8Nd002064; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:50:08 -0230 (NDT) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 01:50:07 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1BskG4-2880000@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Message-ID: References: <3.0.6.32.20040805184242.007e0d60@pop.earthlight.co.nz> <000201c47ad8$a1bf2600$6507a8c0@Main> <1BskG4-2880000@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe. The beacon is currently QRT but I hope to have it on the air soon. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12762 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2004 06:27:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2004 06:27:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsyEd-000HSN-NH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:29:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BsyEd-000HSK-KA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:29:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BsyC5-000FDZ-Ao for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 06:27:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BsyBN-0001wB-Qk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:26:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BsyBN-0001w2-Cb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:26:25 +0100 Received: from mta10-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.94]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BsyBJ-0006aB-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:26:25 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.188.2]) by mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040806062505.QXMK10838.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:25:05 +0100 Message-ID: <004201c47b7e$a5192200$02bc0150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003501c479b0$4e06f3e0$4ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:28:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: CW MODE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Wow ! In that case the setting up of a continuous CW beacon in the style of the HF beacon chain stations but with longer "dashes at 3 power levels will be a doddle for you and a great service to me and to other non-professional amateurs .

For that matter a second tx repeater at the other end of the band to retransmit "up 6900 "Kc/s so I can hear myself coming back and adjust for best sigs would impress me. Add a feature, that on receipt of a morse coded

signal (say rprt/rprt ? ) automatically gave an rst report and you would become uncrowned king of 136 and help more of us onto the band .

Let us know when it is up and running .. I will gladly supply reports from Sussex by the Sea by day in summer and by night from a transatlantic island in the winter.

Bryan G3GVB - [ ]

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 12:18 AM

Subject: LF: CW MODE

de G3KEV (retired RADIO and Electronics Officer, Aeronautical, Marine and Fixed Services)

for those who do not know what that means. Licensed to operate from aircraft, ships, fixed ground stations aeronautical or marine and government establishments.

The morse test was at a speed of 25 wpm or 30 wpm for the extra class and the duration of the test was for 15 minutes non stop. The technical papers examinations required at least 60 percent pass but most achieved between 70 - 90 percent.

To day the pass mark required is around 30 percent at university.

These statistics might upset even more people !!

end

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86814 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 13:34:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 13:34:04 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtRNp-000Hfl-EP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:37:13 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtRNp-000Hfi-C5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:37:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BtRKl-0000T7-Ly for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:34:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtRJp-0005eV-6K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:33:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtRJo-0005eM-S2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:33:04 +0100 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtRJl-0004Co-Gm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:33:04 +0100 Received: from RSGB613192 ([212.248.140.45]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19259; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:30:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c47c83$33e4a900$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy Talbot" To: "LF Group" , ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:33:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Where is everyone ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I've received nothing from either the LF or Microwave reflectors in the last 18 hours. Are things working ? Or has everyone given up radio in the hot weather? Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55697 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 14:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 14:34:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtSJq-0009r3-PH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:37:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtSJq-0009r0-NG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:37:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BtSH6-000BHr-Nn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:34:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtSGV-0005oM-6o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:33:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtSGU-0005oB-SO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:33:42 +0100 Received: from mail.spwom.com ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtSGR-0004OT-2l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:33:42 +0100 Received: from genesiswireless.us (rev-65.165.20.192.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.192]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i77EWSMv031339 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:32:28 -0500 Message-ID: <4114E932.1000100@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:37:38 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c47c83$33e4a900$045bfea9@RSGB613192> In-Reply-To: <000b01c47c83$33e4a900$045bfea9@RSGB613192> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: Re: LF: Where is everyone ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I think everyone got scared away by you know who or there is too much non radio stuff going on this weekend. :-) -- Mike WE0H WD2XGI Andy Talbot wrote: >I've received nothing from either the LF or Microwave reflectors in the >last 18 hours. > >Are things working ? >Or has everyone given up radio in the hot weather? > >Andy G4JNT > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66796 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 17:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 17:07:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtUhe-000Mgf-48 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:09:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtUhe-000Mgc-1t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:09:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BtUes-0004Uv-3u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 17:07:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtUeE-00067a-UP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:06:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtUeE-00067R-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:06:22 +0100 Received: from bay12-f27.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.27] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtUeA-0004pw-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:06:22 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:54:48 -0700 Received: from 24.116.117.26 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:54:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.26] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 08:54:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2004 16:54:48.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FA85FE0:01C47C9F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Where is everyone ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit weve all mellowed out.. >From: WE0H Mike >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Where is everyone ? >Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:37:38 -0500 > >I think everyone got scared away by you know who or there is too much non >radio stuff going on this weekend. :-) > >-- >Mike >WE0H >WD2XGI > > > > >Andy Talbot wrote: > >>I've received nothing from either the LF or Microwave reflectors in the >>last 18 hours. >> >>Are things working ? >>Or has everyone given up radio in the hot weather? >> >>Andy G4JNT >> >> >> >> >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65335 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 17:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 17:16:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtUqz-000NTC-LS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:19:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtUqz-000NT9-JC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:19:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BtUoE-000Pfc-JN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:16:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtUnx-0006Bp-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:16:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtUnw-0006Bg-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:16:24 +0100 Received: from mta10-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.94]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtUno-0004s0-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:16:24 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.10]) by mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040807171500.MGUX10838.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian>; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:15:00 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c47ca2$9be2e160$0a540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com References: <000b01c47c83$33e4a900$045bfea9@RSGB613192> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 18:18:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Where is everyone ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) All gone to radio rallies, selling what we thought interesting so bought last year and buying interesting looking stuff instead this year, (which we will try to re-sell next year ) Some equipment is not for usink, it is for buyink and tryink to make it verk but failink and sellink. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Talbot To: LF Group ; Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: LF: Where is everyone ? > I've received nothing from either the LF or Microwave reflectors in the > last 18 hours. > > Are things working ? > Or has everyone given up radio in the hot weather? > > Andy G4JNT > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47452 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2004 23:40:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2004 23:40:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btar3-000EpW-SD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:44:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btar3-000EpT-PM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:44:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Btanv-000Enj-Rl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 Aug 2004 23:40:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtanG-0006s9-Jg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:40:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtanG-0006s0-7z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:40:06 +0100 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtanC-0005yq-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 00:40:06 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.8.540ecaac (17228) for ; Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <8.540ecaac.2e46c246@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:39:50 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Where is everyone ? 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Ahh! but Brian some of this equipment is nicht fur gerfingerpoken! It can donner und blitzen and der liften is verboten in the absence of really, really big boy's meccano otherwise the schnappen and poppen of intervertebral cartilage may be broadcast over a wide area accompanied by that well known refrain "The Screech of the Wild Englishman in Pain All of A Summer's Eve" (Lyrics by A.Spirin and music by I. B. Profin)

Have a nice weekend all.

73 de Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37274 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 05:52:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 05:52:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtgeM-0001YZ-Kz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:55:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtgeM-0001YW-Il for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:55:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BtgbW-000LLH-SG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 05:52:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btgas-0000Yg-8l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:51:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btgar-0000YX-Ro for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:51:41 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.45]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Btgao-0000Vd-FC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 06:51:41 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.10]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040808054913.EJYW18453.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:49:13 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c47d0c$21e74260$0a540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8.540ecaac.2e46c246@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:54:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Where is everyone ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

0640 and just finished putting old valve 'scope in car and hurt back so took a rest at keyboard before lifting FT101 into boot ..and there was your message in faultless German.

Kom you to Vimborne today -voor der Luftextralfuelputtink rally / great bargains in used ham equipment. and in terms of licence dates you are younger than me . Ve haf vays of makink you buy stuffe

dont you hate the confusing g3gv in morse..it wastes hours of misheards in contests at which I only dabble lightly and on fone / in my caes/ I have 5 successive "eee" sounds

----- Original Message -----

From: G4gvw@aol.com

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:39 AM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: Where is everyone ?

Ahh! but Brian some of this equipment is nicht fur gerfingerpoken! It can donner und blitzen and der liften is verboten in the absence of really, really big boy's meccano otherwise the schnappen and poppen of intervertebral cartilage may be broadcast over a wide area accompanied by that well known refrain "The Screech of the Wild Englishman in Pain All of A Summer's Eve" (Lyrics by A.Spirin and music by I. B. Profin)

Have a nice weekend all.

73 de Pat g4gvw

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20721 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 08:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 08:35:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtjCW-000E42-Nz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:38:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtjCW-000E3z-Lm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:38:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Btj9g-000MZ8-2B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 08:35:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btj92-0000ve-Sj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:35:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btj92-0000vT-Hr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:35:08 +0100 Received: from postbode01.zonnet.nl ([62.58.50.88]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Btj8z-00012w-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:35:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 11005 invoked by uid 10); 8 Aug 2004 08:34:59 -0000 Received: (vexira-qq 10889-F0FF2344 invoked from network) 08 Aug 2004 10:34:54 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.45]) (envelope-sender ) by postbode01.zonnet.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 8 Aug 2004 08:34:54 -0000 Message-ID: <004601c47d22$4ae38000$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c47c83$33e4a900$045bfea9@RSGB613192> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:32:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira MailArmor (version: 2.0.1.16; VAE: 6.26.0.10; VDF: 6.26.0.63; host: postbode01.zonnet.nl) X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Where is everyone ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Well, I am here, and also enjoying the nice weather AND building some test equipement in order to align/measure future 136kHz antennas.................... Dick, PA4VHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87422 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 09:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 09:32:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btk5G-000I4W-Sv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:35:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btk5G-000I4T-Qd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:35:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Btk2P-000Etv-LV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:32:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btk1W-00016B-Iy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:31:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btk1V-000162-UX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:31:25 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Btk1R-0001Ft-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:31:25 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.25.163 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 09:31:14 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c47d2a$6c5ab980$a3197ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:30:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: AR88LF on 136kHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear LF Group,

I bought a rather battered AR88LF at a rally a few years ago - This version of the AR88 has an LF band covering 75 - 200kHz, so it is potentially useable for amateur LF. I had not really tried it seriously, so with all the pining for good olde days that has been going on lately, I dragged it out of the shed to see what could be done with it.

After replacing the usual catalogue of leaky capacitors, temporarily bypassing a broken IF transformer, and peaking up the IF amplifier, the sensitivity was good - 0.3uV gave a good audible signal. The input impedance on 136k is quite high, something of the order of 1kohm. Connecting a 200pF capacitor in series with the sig gen to simulate the source impedance of a long wire antenna only reduced the signal level by a few dB, so it should be possible to connect the RX directly to such an antenna and get good sensitivity without additional matching components (allthough this does not work at my QTH - you get about 100V of 909kHz from Brookmans Park at the RX input...)

The selectivity was poor however. The IF frequency is 735kHz, so one can expect worse selectivity than other old RXs with 455kHz IF. This meant that when tuned to 136kHz, large signals from DCF39 and the Datatrack beacons just outside the band pass through the IF and intermodulate together at the detector, producing lots of heterodyne whistles even with the BFO switched off, as G3GVB mentioned. It has a single crystal filter, but this did not seem to make much difference. However, this proved to be due to mis-alignment - I think every receiver with one of these single-crystal filters I have ever encountered has been wrongly aligned. Partly it is due to ageing I'm sure, but also I expect a lot of over-enthusiastic fiddling has gone on over the years! The main problem was the 'phasing' trimmer, which was a long way from where it needed to be. After a lot of re-tweaking, the -3dB bandwidth on the narrowest position was only about 200Hz. This proved good enough to get rid of the worst of the whistles, however, the skirt selectivity is still not good enough really - with the RX tuned to 136.5kHz, the best I could get was about 40dB rejection of DCF39 on 138.83kHz, which still gives quite a loud whistle above the band noise.

So I decided to graft on an audio filter from a CR100 receiver, which happened to be lying around. I connected this between the 1st audio stage and the audio output stage; allthough really just a lash-up it works quite well. I also increased the amount of BFO injection. On the AR88 the BFO signal is injected into the final IF amplifier using just stray capacitance between the wiring. I added an extra bit of wire to increased the rectified voltage at the detector from 4V to about 15V. The idea of this was to make the BFO signal much larger than the unwanted signals at the IF output, and so hopefully reduce the amount of audible intermodulation products produced - It seems to work. It does mean that the AGC has to be switched off, otherwise the BFO signal causes a big reduction in gain. The best way to set the controls is with the AF gain set to as high a level as possible without producing excessive receiver noise, and then controlling the gain with the RF gain control. This ensures the lowest possible signal levels at the detector, reducing the likelihood of IF or detector being overloaded by strong out-of-band signals.

The end result works quite well. This morning, when the QRN was relatively low, it was possible to hear the Loran chatter above the band noise, with only faint whistles from out of band stations, so sensitivity ought to be adequate for most things. The warm-up drift is a few 100Hz, but after it has been running for a few hours, the frequency only wobbles about by several Hz, so in fact it is adequate for QRSS3 reception. When I get round to doing a proper job, I will add a product detector (probably using the socket of the not-very-useful noise limiter valve). Also, the CR100 audio filter is really too narrow - with 100Hz bandwidth, it is quite hard to get the BFO pitch just right so that the peak of the IF response coincides with the peak of the audio response, and it has to be re-adjusted due to drift of the BFO. A filter with 200 - 400Hz bandwidth would be better.

Obviopusly, an AR88LF is not as good as a modern receiver. But with some simple mods it is certainly usable. I think mostly the same considerations apply to other old equipment, such as the HRO and CR100 when used on LF.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29961 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 10:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 10:04:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtkaC-000Kbx-NJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:07:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtkaC-000Kbu-L7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:07:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BtkXL-000NCd-GJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:04:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtkWs-0001EQ-UA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:03:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtkWs-0001EH-Iz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:03:50 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtkWp-0001Nh-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:03:50 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.153.13) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 4108A9540151709B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:03:36 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c47d2e$ea3ab4a0$0d9924d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c47c83$33e4a900$045bfea9@RSGB613192> <004601c47d22$4ae38000$2102000a@ibm> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:01:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_DSBL=1.101,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Where is everyone ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: LF: Re: Where is everyone ? > Well, I am here, and also enjoying the nice weather AND building some test > equipement > in order to align/measure future 136kHz antennas.................... > > Dick, PA4VHF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ 08./08/2004 0950z Hello Dick and the list, I am here also, in the background, and continue the equipment ! :0) Before long, i hope receive more signals than noise... 73 and good WE to all. Jeff / F6CWN From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78342 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 10:40:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 10:40:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btl8s-000NUd-Lk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:43:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btl8s-000NUa-JS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:43:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Btl61-0001Aa-5y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:40:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btl5Z-0001N3-GL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:39:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btl5Z-0001Mu-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:39:41 +0100 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Btl5V-0001W9-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:39:41 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.4.) id l.7e.554f74e9 (17228) for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.554f74e9.2e475ce0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:39:28 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 631 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285,TW_GV=0.077 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Where is everyone ? 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I was once told by an old and experienced G2++ that if I ever learned to adjust and use a Vibroplex such that I could send my callsign in excess of 20wpm and have it correctly deciphered 99% of the time then he might consider me to be an accomplished CW op. Needless to say, I have striven hard to fall short by a considerable margin but I still award myself marks for trying!

g4gvw

('taint the dahs or even the dits but it's the bits in between!)

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50278 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 12:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 12:48:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btn9n-0000XZ-03 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:52:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btn9m-0000XW-Tg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:52:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Btn6Z-0004pk-Kq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 12:48:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btn61-0001hp-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:48:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btn60-0001hg-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:48:16 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Btn5x-0001up-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 13:48:16 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO leonids) (ganymede444@217.42.137.80 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 12:48:07 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004601c47d22$4ae38000$2102000a@ibm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: G3YXM...I see ya! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, I can report strong signals from your transmission at 13:42 local on 136.53 kHz in IO91RM. Did you have a QSO/test earlier, between 12:03 and 12:34? I was out of the shack, but it left a trace on Spectran. Cheers, Dave G3WCB --------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66772 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 18:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 18:00:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bts1W-0003oA-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:03:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bts1W-0003o7-SU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:03:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BtryH-0006kz-F9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:00:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btrwu-0002OL-5Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:59:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btrwt-0002OC-SF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:59:11 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Btrwq-0002nG-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:59:11 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1Btrwp-000Amg-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 17:59:07 +0000 Message-ID: <049oCnAymmFBFwyE@telemetry.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:58:10 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Tom Boucher MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: A QSO on 136! X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Pleased to report an actual QSO on 136 this morning with Dave G3YXM who was his usual 599 with me. There is life on 136 kHz after all! 73 all Tom G3OLB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78141 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 18:08:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 18:08:43 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bts9M-0004iB-Ic for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:12:04 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bts9M-0004i8-GM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:12:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bts67-000Pt2-0r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:08:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bts5t-0002TY-Az for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:08:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bts5t-0002TP-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:08:29 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bts5p-0002pB-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:08:28 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.154.178.1 with poptime) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 18:08:04 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:08:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcR9Rg6j90M3pApvTFmQL9LiinM9yAALGPWw In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RM_hm_EmtyMsgid=0.316,SARE_MSGID_EMPTY=1.106 Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: G3YXM...I see ya! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Yes it was me! (and Tom) in QSO. The aerial has been down for "summer maintenance" but I'm back on now. Skeds welcome. 73 Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G3WCB Sent: 08 August 2004 14:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G3YXM...I see ya! Hi, I can report strong signals from your transmission at 13:42 local on 136.53 kHz in IO91RM. Did you have a QSO/test earlier, between 12:03 and 12:34? I was out of the shack, but it left a trace on Spectran. Cheers, Dave G3WCB --------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70918 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 20:22:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 20:22:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtuFG-000Gzv-Gl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:26:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtuFG-000Gzs-EI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:26:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BtuBz-000Bwh-Vg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:22:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtuBR-0002qh-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:22:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtuBR-0002qY-Dv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:22:21 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtuBO-0003Cz-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:22:21 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO leonids) (ganymede444@81.152.247.29 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 20:22:12 -0000 From: "G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:23:28 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: G3YXM...I see ya! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi, Dave. Yours was the first-ever amateur signal that I've heard on 136, in 3 weeks of listening! The trouble I had was knowing when and where to listen. You presented a rock-crushing signal...30db above noise here. I wonder what power you were running. There were a couple of other transmissions today around 136.500, but they were too weak for me to resolve. I don't have any TX capability at the moment, but I hope to have rigged up something in a couple of weeks. Receive capability is CW/QRSS/ARGO/Spectran, listening most evenings/week-ends, rx-only skeds if desired on request also. 73 Dave, G3WCB IO91RM (near Slough/Windsor) ------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: G3YXM...I see ya! Yes it was me! (and Tom) in QSO. The aerial has been down for "summer maintenance" but I'm back on now. Skeds welcome. 73 Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G3WCB Sent: 08 August 2004 14:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: G3YXM...I see ya! Hi, I can report strong signals from your transmission at 13:42 local on 136.53 kHz in IO91RM. Did you have a QSO/test earlier, between 12:03 and 12:34? I was out of the shack, but it left a trace on Spectran. Cheers, Dave G3WCB --------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20675 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 20:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 20:57:46 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btumz-000JqF-5F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:01:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btumy-000JqA-Sd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:01:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Btuji-000K4B-6K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 20:57:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtujM-0002yO-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:57:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtujM-0002yF-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:57:24 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtujI-0003I1-FH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:57:24 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.152.20) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 4108A95401609F80 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:57:15 +0200 Message-ID: <003801c47d8a$39c22480$149824d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: "LF/GB" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:55:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

08./08/2004 2050z

Hello the list!

I am still RX QRV with the new front head high Z adaptater ( a pair of BF988)

on the 2 meter's loop. I will be very happy to receive somebody with this

equipment...

Any station ready for a test in QRSS 3 ?

Thanks in advance.

Jeff / F6CWN ( JN 09 TT )

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26593 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 21:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 21:02:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btur4-000KCd-Q7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:05:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btur4-000KCY-HI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:05:22 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Btunn-000DTS-Eh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:01:59 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btund-00032L-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:01:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btunc-00032C-Ih for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:01:48 +0100 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtunT-0003Ji-Qm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:01:48 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([216.232.223.132]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040808210131.OQDE22120.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:01:31 -0600 Message-ID: <006801c47d8a$e74f28a0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c47d2a$6c5ab980$a3197ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:01:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: AR88LF on 136kHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

I've been using an AR-88LF since I was a kid for NDB dxing... I finished restoring mine last year and it spends most of its time these days lurking in the NDB band as a quick and dirty way to tune around to see what's going on...

73 Scott

----- Original Message -----

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:30 AM

Subject: LF: AR88LF on 136kHz

Dear LF Group,

I bought a rather battered AR88LF at a rally a few years ago - This version of the AR88 has an LF band covering 75 - 200kHz, so it is potentially useable for amateur LF. I had not really tried it seriously, so with all the pining for good olde days that has been going on lately, I dragged it out of the shed to see what could be done with it.

After replacing the usual catalogue of leaky capacitors, temporarily bypassing a broken IF transformer, and peaking up the IF amplifier, the sensitivity was good - 0.3uV gave a good audible signal. The input impedance on 136k is quite high, something of the order of 1kohm. Connecting a 200pF capacitor in series with the sig gen to simulate the source impedance of a long wire antenna only reduced the signal level by a few dB, so it should be possible to connect the RX directly to such an antenna and get good sensitivity without additional matching components (allthough this does not work at my QTH - you get about 100V of 909kHz from Brookmans Park at the RX input...)

The selectivity was poor however. The IF frequency is 735kHz, so one can expect worse selectivity than other old RXs with 455kHz IF. This meant that when tuned to 136kHz, large signals from DCF39 and the Datatrack beacons just outside the band pass through the IF and intermodulate together at the detector, producing lots of heterodyne whistles even with the BFO switched off, as G3GVB mentioned. It has a single crystal filter, but this did not seem to make much difference. However, this proved to be due to mis-alignment - I think every receiver with one of these single-crystal filters I have ever encountered has been wrongly aligned. Partly it is due to ageing I'm sure, but also I expect a lot of over-enthusiastic fiddling has gone on over the years! The main problem was the 'phasing' trimmer, which was a long way from where it needed to be. After a lot of re-tweaking, the -3dB bandwidth on the narrowest position was only about 200Hz. This proved good enough to get rid of the worst of the whistles, however, the skirt selectivity is still not good enough really - with the RX tuned to 136.5kHz, the best I could get was about 40dB rejection of DCF39 on 138.83kHz, which still gives quite a loud whistle above the band noise.

So I decided to graft on an audio filter from a CR100 receiver, which happened to be lying around. I connected this between the 1st audio stage and the audio output stage; allthough really just a lash-up it works quite well. I also increased the amount of BFO injection. On the AR88 the BFO signal is injected into the final IF amplifier using just stray capacitance between the wiring. I added an extra bit of wire to increased the rectified voltage at the detector from 4V to about 15V. The idea of this was to make the BFO signal much larger than the unwanted signals at the IF output, and so hopefully reduce the amount of audible intermodulation products produced - It seems to work. It does mean that the AGC has to be switched off, otherwise the BFO signal causes a big reduction in gain. The best way to set the controls is with the AF gain set to as high a level as possible without producing excessive receiver noise, and then controlling the gain with the RF gain control. This ensures the lowest possible signal levels at the detector, reducing the likelihood of IF or detector being overloaded by strong out-of-band signals.

The end result works quite well. This morning, when the QRN was relatively low, it was possible to hear the Loran chatter above the band noise, with only faint whistles from out of band stations, so sensitivity ought to be adequate for most things. The warm-up drift is a few 100Hz, but after it has been running for a few hours, the frequency only wobbles about by several Hz, so in fact it is adequate for QRSS3 reception. When I get round to doing a proper job, I will add a product detector (probably using the socket of the not-very-useful noise limiter valve). Also, the CR100 audio filter is really too narrow - with 100Hz bandwidth, it is quite hard to get the BFO pitch just right so that the peak of the IF response coincides with the peak of the audio response, and it has to be re-adjusted due to drift of the BFO. A filter with 200 - 400Hz bandwidth would be better.

Obviopusly, an AR88LF is not as good as a modern receiver. But with some simple mods it is certainly usable. I think mostly the same considerations apply to other old equipment, such as the HRO and CR100 when used on LF.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28469 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 21:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 21:18:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btv6O-000Poy-1S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:21:12 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Btv6N-000Pov-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:21:11 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Btv3S-0006Ws-M7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:18:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Btv3A-00038X-4p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:17:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Btv39-00038O-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:17:51 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Btv36-0003N1-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:17:51 +0100 Received: from mk-ftp-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.112.85]:2680) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Btv2e-000ALG-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:17:20 +0100 Received: from [80.225.93.36] (helo=g1l5x3) by mk-ftp-1.b2b.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Btv2z-000Cf2-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:17:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c47d8a$f0c026a0$245de150@g1l5x3> From: "Howard Aspinall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c47d2a$6c5ab980$a3197ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:41:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.68,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_FROM_SPAM_WORD3=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: AR88LF on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I always used an AR88LF on 136, but tapped the IF and fed it into another receiver with better filtering. I too found the IF skirt selectivity of the AR88 inadequate, however using it as a tunable converter worked very well with either a Racal RA17, or with a Ricebox which was deaf lower down the scale. The major downside consisted of weight and size! 73 Howard Aspinall G3RXH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35437 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2004 22:42:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 22:42:16 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtwQ6-0002Y0-Mw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:45:39 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BtwQ6-0002Xx-Kq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:45:38 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BtwMp-00064O-89 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:42:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BtwME-0003RU-0O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:41:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BtwMD-0003RL-L4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:41:37 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BtwMA-0003bN-AY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 23:41:37 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.40.73 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2004 22:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <003001c47d98$d0f90c20$49287ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:41:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! 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Dear Jeff, LF Group,

How about Monday evening at about 1900utc? I could put out some becon sigs on about 137.7kHz for a few hours then, hopefully before the QRN builds up too much. Assuming I am not actually underneath some of the QRN by then!

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

PS: your e-mail seems to have something living in it...

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 514 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 06:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 06:45:10 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu3x7-000Evd-PL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:48:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu3x7-000Eva-N9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:48:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bu3u8-0007jl-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 06:45:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu3tF-0004uS-FH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:44:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu3tE-0004uJ-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:44:12 +0100 Received: from mta10-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.94]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bu3tA-0005EX-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:44:12 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.21]) by mta10-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040809064249.DOVE10838.mta10-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01c47ddc$a1bfdf80$15540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c47d2a$6c5ab980$a3197ad5@jgtdiynm> <006801c47d8a$e74f28a0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:46:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: AR88LF on 136kHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

When I was a kid I only wanted two things...Jane Russell and an AR88 or possibly in the reverse order : both were beyond my resources but I did get the RX recently ( I have no idea what happened to the body ) and it was I who complained about the selectivity and agree with Jim and Scott. Now if Scott would save me hours of squinting at poorly printed circuit and tell us where he physically found the IF tapping point I could try putting the IF freq. into other Rx's. I have a Datong converter to 28 megs but I find that combination quite broadband also.

...some here refer to 136/137 as a "band" but all my Rx's so far regard it as a frequency !!

G3GVB

----- Original Message -----

From: Scott Tilley

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:01 PM

Subject: LF: Re: AR88LF on 136kHz

I've been using an AR-88LF since I was a kid for NDB dxing... I finished restoring mine last year and it spends most of its time these days lurking in the NDB band as a quick and dirty way to tune around to see what's going on...

73 Scott

----- Original Message -----

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:30 AM

Subject: LF: AR88LF on 136kHz

Dear LF Group,

I bought a rather battered AR88LF at a rally a few years ago - This version of the AR88 has an LF band covering 75 - 200kHz, so it is potentially useable for amateur LF. I had not really tried it seriously, so with all the pining for good olde days that has been going on lately, I dragged it out of the shed to see what could be done with it.

After replacing the usual catalogue of leaky capacitors, temporarily bypassing a broken IF transformer, and peaking up the IF amplifier, the sensitivity was good - 0.3uV gave a good audible signal. The input impedance on 136k is quite high, something of the order of 1kohm. Connecting a 200pF capacitor in series with the sig gen to simulate the source impedance of a long wire antenna only reduced the signal level by a few dB, so it should be possible to connect the RX directly to such an antenna and get good sensitivity without additional matching components (allthough this does not work at my QTH - you get about 100V of 909kHz from Brookmans Park at the RX input...)

The selectivity was poor however. The IF frequency is 735kHz, so one can expect worse selectivity than other old RXs with 455kHz IF. This meant that when tuned to 136kHz, large signals from DCF39 and the Datatrack beacons just outside the band pass through the IF and intermodulate together at the detector, producing lots of heterodyne whistles even with the BFO switched off, as G3GVB mentioned. It has a single crystal filter, but this did not seem to make much difference. However, this proved to be due to mis-alignment - I think every receiver with one of these single-crystal filters I have ever encountered has been wrongly aligned. Partly it is due to ageing I'm sure, but also I expect a lot of over-enthusiastic fiddling has gone on over the years! The main problem was the 'phasing' trimmer, which was a long way from where it needed to be. After a lot of re-tweaking, the -3dB bandwidth on the narrowest position was only about 200Hz. This proved good enough to get rid of the worst of the whistles, however, the skirt selectivity is still not good enough really - with the RX tuned to 136.5kHz, the best I could get was about 40dB rejection of DCF39 on 138.83kHz, which still gives quite a loud whistle above the band noise.

So I decided to graft on an audio filter from a CR100 receiver, which happened to be lying around. I connected this between the 1st audio stage and the audio output stage; allthough really just a lash-up it works quite well. I also increased the amount of BFO injection. On the AR88 the BFO signal is injected into the final IF amplifier using just stray capacitance between the wiring. I added an extra bit of wire to increased the rectified voltage at the detector from 4V to about 15V. The idea of this was to make the BFO signal much larger than the unwanted signals at the IF output, and so hopefully reduce the amount of audible intermodulation products produced - It seems to work. It does mean that the AGC has to be switched off, otherwise the BFO signal causes a big reduction in gain. The best way to set the controls is with the AF gain set to as high a level as possible without producing excessive receiver noise, and then controlling the gain with the RF gain control. This ensures the lowest possible signal levels at the detector, reducing the likelihood of IF or detector being overloaded by strong out-of-band signals.

The end result works quite well. This morning, when the QRN was relatively low, it was possible to hear the Loran chatter above the band noise, with only faint whistles from out of band stations, so sensitivity ought to be adequate for most things. The warm-up drift is a few 100Hz, but after it has been running for a few hours, the frequency only wobbles about by several Hz, so in fact it is adequate for QRSS3 reception. When I get round to doing a proper job, I will add a product detector (probably using the socket of the not-very-useful noise limiter valve). Also, the CR100 audio filter is really too narrow - with 100Hz bandwidth, it is quite hard to get the BFO pitch just right so that the peak of the IF response coincides with the peak of the audio response, and it has to be re-adjusted due to drift of the BFO. A filter with 200 - 400Hz bandwidth would be better.

Obviopusly, an AR88LF is not as good as a modern receiver. But with some simple mods it is certainly usable. I think mostly the same considerations apply to other old equipment, such as the HRO and CR100 when used on LF.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7105 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 07:43:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 07:43:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu4rY-000IJW-0f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:46:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu4rX-000IJT-Uu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:46:31 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bu4oC-000I3a-NN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:43:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu4ni-00058n-Uk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:42:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu4ni-00058e-Go for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:42:34 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bu4nc-0005Py-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:42:34 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.158.145) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 4116F89400057DEF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:42:23 +0200 Message-ID: <004301c47de4$57ff9680$919e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c47d98$d0f90c20$49287ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:41:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.101,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

09./08/2004 0730z

Hello Jim and the list,

OK for 1900z, i am very enjoy to receive your signal from the West coast of France with the

new equipment. This morning it's very clear in audio, only some cracks time to time in the

background. When i turn the loop, i "notch" DCF39 more than 30 dB, the directivity is very

impressive.I thing i will continue in this way, big loop and high Q!

Are you QRV on 2 meters or 6 for a possible contact en SSB? ( The station is F6IFR)

We are in hollidays at this present time, and no problem for free time...

See you his night evening Jim!

Cheers, Jeff / F6CWN

PS: Normaly the mouving thing is clear now! ( it was a little ant growing on the page!)

----- Original Message -----

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:41 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV!

Dear Jeff, LF Group,

How about Monday evening at about 1900utc? I could put out some becon sigs on about 137.7kHz for a few hours then, hopefully before the QRN builds up too much. Assuming I am not actually underneath some of the QRN by then!

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

PS: your e-mail seems to have something living in it...

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81595 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 09:25:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 09:25:07 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu6SI-0004LG-3g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:28:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu6SH-0004L6-QI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:28:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bu6Ov-000Ole-Kz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:25:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu6OJ-0005eA-E5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:24:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu6OJ-0005e1-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:24:27 +0100 Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([195.37.42.5]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bu6OF-0005ss-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:24:27 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 21DE821309C; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:24:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rzlsrv1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22547-04; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.30]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id E45AE213040; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:24:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <411742C4.9040504@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:24:20 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6lpin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; de-DE; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030619 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: de-de, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dibene@usa.net Cc: th.koelpin@fh-amberg-weiden.de, thomas.koelpin@gmx.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fh-amberg-weiden.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: LF: AF shifter / pitch control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Alberto, would it be possible to add such a feature, for instance, to your fine SPECTRAN software? Background: With my Wandel & Goltermann selective level meter SPM 30 there is a demodulator output with 2 kHz pitch frequency. In can be processed with SPECTRAN in the usual QRSS modes but it is not favourable in the use with normal CW. The human ear is quite sensitive at this frequencies but not selective at all. If SPECTRAN would be able to transfer this frequency for instance to 700 Hz the PC being already there could be used as a nice pass through processing tool for normal CW (futhermore you could watch bats by ear if they are working below 22 kHz ;-) ). Could be that such a feature is useful for some other OM too - certainly only nice-to-have, but perhaps it´s not so difficult to include it in a later version. Thank you for all your outstanding software which makes low level reception possible! Vy 73 Tom, DK1IS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65836 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 11:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 11:32:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu8Ra-000IHb-No for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:35:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu8Ra-000IHY-LY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:35:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bu8Oa-000IWW-2f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 11:32:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu8Nr-00069Q-02 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:32:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu8Nq-00069H-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:32:06 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bu8Nn-0006TU-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:32:06 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Bu8NO-0006jd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:31:38 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Bu8NN-0000dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:31:37 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:31:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: RE: AF shifter / pitch control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Tom, LF Group, Such a function is already available with Alberto's "SDRadio", (http://www.sdradio.org/)which has a nice spectrum display from which you can select the frequency and bandwidth of the section of spectrum you wish to listen to. A similar function is available with DL4YHF's "Spectrum Lab". I have tried both these; you need a fairly fast PC - my 300MHz lap-top is not quite fast enough, and although the software runs, the audio drops out from time to time. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Kölpin Sent: 09 August 2004 10:24 To: dibene@usa.net Cc: th.koelpin@fh-amberg-weiden.de; thomas.koelpin@gmx.net; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: AF shifter / pitch control Dear Alberto, would it be possible to add such a feature, for instance, to your fine SPECTRAN software? ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75405 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 12:35:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 12:35:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu9QM-000PgI-82 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:38:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu9QM-000PgF-5p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:38:46 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bu9NL-0003YU-8G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:35:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu9Mn-0006TA-6Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:35:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu9Mm-0006T1-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:35:04 +0100 Received: from cmsrelay03.mx.net ([165.212.11.112]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bu9Mi-0006kF-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:35:04 +0100 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 12:34:53 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.41.132.137] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.13N) with ESMTP id 819iHimIY0130M29; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:34:50 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.132.137 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <41176F71.9010802@usa.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:34:57 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <411742C4.9040504@fh-amberg-weiden.de> In-Reply-To: <411742C4.9040504@fh-amberg-weiden.de> X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FAKE_HELO_USA_NET=2.8,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111,SARE_FREE_WEBM_Usa=0.077 Subject: LF: Re: AF shifter / pitch control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Thomas Kölpin wrote: > Dear Alberto, > > would it be possible to add such a feature, for instance, to your fine > SPECTRAN software? > [...] Tom, Jim Moritz beated me in answering your question ! He is right, you can use SDRadio found at http://www.weaksignals.com for what you want to do. SDRadio is meant to be fed with the two I and Q signals from a quadrature converter, but if you send the same signal to both the sound card channels, you will have the 48 kHz spectrum folded on itself, with the negative portion being a mirroring of the positive one. You have then only 24 useable kHz of band, but they should suffice for your purposes. There isn't a detailed user manual for SDRadio, sorry, writing manuals is not my preferred occupation :-) but I am available here or privately for help. Good luck. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85248 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 13:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 13:02:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu9qz-0005nG-1K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:06:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bu9qy-0005nC-Tm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:06:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bu9nb-000Ffr-Hg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 13:02:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu9n4-0006cG-8w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:02:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bu9n3-0006c7-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:02:13 +0100 Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([195.37.42.5]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bu9n0-0006sI-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:02:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 18AF42130B8 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:02:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rzlsrv1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25522-10 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.30]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id A5E2E212FDA for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <411775CD.6050208@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:02:05 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6lpin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; de-DE; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030619 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: de-de, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <411742C4.9040504@fh-amberg-weiden.de> <41176F71.9010802@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <41176F71.9010802@usa.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fh-amberg-weiden.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: Re: LF: Re: AF shifter / pitch control Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Alberto, dear Jim, thanks for your references to SDRadio - I´ll try it asap! 73 es cuagn Tom, DK1IS Alberto di Bene schrieb: > Thomas Kölpin wrote: > >> Dear Alberto, >> >> would it be possible to add such a feature, for instance, to your fine >> SPECTRAN software? >> [...] > > > > Tom, > > Jim Moritz beated me in answering your question ! He is right, you > can use SDRadio > found at http://www.weaksignals.com for what you want to do. > SDRadio is meant to be fed with the two I and Q signals from a > quadrature converter, > but if you send the same signal to both the sound card channels, you > will have the 48 kHz > spectrum folded on itself, with the negative portion being a mirroring > of the positive one. > You have then only 24 useable kHz of band, but they should suffice for > your purposes. > There isn't a detailed user manual for SDRadio, sorry, writing manuals > is not my preferred > occupation :-) but I am available here or privately for help. > > Good luck. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78107 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 17:36:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 17:36:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuE8F-000GTZ-Dv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:40:24 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuE8F-000GTW-BZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:40:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BuE4q-000GMh-5C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 17:36:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuE45-0007h8-Ko for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:36:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuE45-0007gz-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:36:05 +0100 Received: from h11.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.61] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuE41-0007rx-7i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:36:05 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.233.185) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F9973000FA4BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:35:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c47cc9$e8386fe0$b9e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 22:59:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_20_30=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: AR88 etc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

I have tried most of the methods discussed with old receivers like tapping the IF out to another RX but there is no future in chasing old technology. At the time old equipment was adequate for the job, stability and selectivity was not so important and could be overcome by a competent CW operator with a good pair of symetrical ears.

I find that a modern state of the art RX out performs anything that has gone before, for both stability and selectivity and more convenient to use. Some modern receiver not specifically designed for LF ie 137 khz do lack sensitivity but this can be over come by a well designed preamp and good bandpass filter ahead of the RX.

The stability especially those on very slow QRS needs the modern approach.

The pegelmesser device(level meter) especially those with high stability locked oscillators are excellent as LF receivers.

Apart from nostalgia and antique interest ditch the boat anchor and hear and see what is going on with todays technology.

de G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94019 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 18:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 18:40:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuF7X-000NLT-Ls for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:43:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuF7X-000NLQ-Jj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:43:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BuF47-000OyU-UR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:40:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuF39-0007yA-HT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:39:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuF39-0007y1-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:39:11 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuF32-00086C-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:39:11 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.135.128.127 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 18:38:56 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c47e40$1a3368c0$7f808751@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c47d98$d0f90c20$49287ad5@jgtdiynm> <004301c47de4$57ff9680$919e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:38:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear Jeff, LF Group,

The beacon is now running on 137.700kHz - it is transmitting QRSS3 with a long CW identifier in a repeating 10 minute cycle. I shall keep it running for the next few hours, assuming no thunderstorms or other problems here; any reports would be very welcome.

I'm afraid I have no VHF equipment here at the moment Jeff, so I guess it will have to be via e-mail for now,

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:41 AM

Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV!

09./08/2004 0730z

Hello Jim and the list,

OK for 1900z, i am very enjoy to receive your signal from the West coast of France with the

new equipment. This morning it's very clear in audio, only some cracks time to time in the

background. When i turn the loop, i "notch" DCF39 more than 30 dB, the directivity is very

impressive.I thing i will continue in this way, big loop and high Q!

Are you QRV on 2 meters or 6 for a possible contact en SSB? ( The station is F6IFR)

We are in hollidays at this present time, and no problem for free time...

See you his night evening Jim!

Cheers, Jeff / F6CWN

PS: Normaly the mouving thing is clear now! ( it was a little ant growing on the page!)

73

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44229 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 18:57:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 18:57:31 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuFNv-000HEp-S7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:00:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuFNv-000HEm-Q5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:00:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BuFKs-00059k-HD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 18:57:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuFKY-00085A-Ep for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:57:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuFKY-000851-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:57:10 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuFKU-0008A0-Da for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:57:10 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.135.128.127 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 18:57:00 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c47e42$a01fdac0$7f808751@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c47d98$d0f90c20$49287ad5@jgtdiynm> <004301c47de4$57ff9680$919e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:56:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear LF group,

Have temporarily suspended the beacon message while I call DJ9DW - back to the beacon later.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80083 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 19:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 19:17:57 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuFhi-000JQl-1s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:21:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuFhh-000JQi-W2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:21:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BuFee-0002By-Hl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:17:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuFeD-0008Ct-LH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:17:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuFeD-0008Ci-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:17:29 +0100 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuFe9-0008F7-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:17:29 +0100 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BuFe8-0003bi-01; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:17:24 +0200 Received: from oben (TJWSRaZQQe01lS-RYiTBe1YwwK8jyTHox3aRNBfnLGuNTDxa+8mLwY@[217.88.169.86]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BuFdv-0Hr4ts0; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:17:11 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c47e46$041545d0$ee9bfea9@oben> From: dj9dw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c47d98$d0f90c20$49287ad5@jgtdiynm> <004301c47de4$57ff9680$919e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> <001f01c47e42$a01fdac0$7f808751@jgtdiynm> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:21:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ID: TJWSRaZQQe01lS-RYiTBe1YwwK8jyTHox3aRNBfnLGuNTDxa+8mLwY X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.2 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi Jim and group,

you made it. Now transmitting. Qrn has increased so M-copy .

73 es tu, Peter, dj9dw.

----- Original Message -----

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:56 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV!

Dear LF group,

Have temporarily suspended the beacon message while I call DJ9DW - back to the beacon later.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74229 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 19:23:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 19:23:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuFnY-000KB2-PF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:27:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuFnY-000KAw-Kp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:27:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BuFkV-00087Z-3z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:23:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuFkE-0008J0-Jk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:23:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuFkE-0008Ir-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:23:42 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuFkA-0008Gd-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:23:42 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.164.181) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 4116FE27001C0455 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:23:32 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c47e46$4ad4ff60$b5a424d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: "LF/GB" Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:22:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: QRSS3 137.700 : Yeah! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear Jeff, LF Group,

I'm afraid I have no VHF equipment here at the moment Jeff, so I guess it will have to be via e-mail for now,

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

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09./08/2004 1916z

Hello Jim and the list!

S U P E R !!!

We receive your transmission only 599 (-86 dBm) on the selective voltmeter SPM3.

You are the first solid signal completly identified at this moment.

A super signal exept the terrifics cracks from storm!

We have record your transmission, but it is a too large file ( 969 Ko); may i send you

it directly?

VY 73

Cheers from Mike and Jeff

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20568 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 19:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 19:49:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuGCx-0005KL-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:53:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuGCx-0005KI-88 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:53:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BuG9X-000OAo-35 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:49:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuG8w-0008Rv-Vg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:49:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuG8w-0008Rm-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:49:14 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuG8t-0008MC-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:49:14 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@81.135.128.127 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 19:49:04 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c47e49$e64c77e0$7f808751@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c47d98$d0f90c20$49287ad5@jgtdiynm> <004301c47de4$57ff9680$919e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> <001f01c47e42$a01fdac0$7f808751@jgtdiynm> <000b01c47e46$041545d0$ee9bfea9@oben> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:48:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear Peter, Jeff, LF Group,

This E-mail may reach you before the end of the QSO :-)

Pleased to hear the signal is getting out OK to Jeff & Mike - please do send the file. Peter's signal is O copy here, in spite of a lot of QRN - I think this is the first time we have worked. Back to the beacon signal again after my final to DJ9DW.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----

From: dj9dw

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:21 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV!

Hi Jim and group,

you made it. Now transmitting. Qrn has increased so M-copy .

73 es tu, Peter, dj9dw.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75984 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 20:23:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 20:23:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuGjH-00098X-E4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:26:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuGjH-00098U-Bk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:26:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BuGfq-000Dzs-NW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:23:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuGfP-0000EB-9U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:22:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuGfO-0000E2-Tt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:22:46 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuGfK-0008Sp-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:22:46 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.12.201) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 4116F894001E6970 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:22:36 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01c47e4e$88c6df20$c90c24d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: "LF/GB" Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:22:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: RX from MOBMU tonight! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090703030200080107030309" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090703030200080107030309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

09./08/2004 2020z

Hello the list,

Solid copy from M0BMU this night in spite of strong QRN ( storm cracks)

73: Jeff / F6CWN in JN09TT

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Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <032601c47e54$bddc4aa0$0100a8c0@free.fr> From: "F1AGW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002c01c47e4e$88c6df20$c90c24d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:06:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_FROM_FREE=0.878,SARE_FROM_SPAM_WORD3=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: RX from MOBMU tonight! 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73 de Jean-Louis F1AGW
       Dpt 93 JN18GU
        f1agw@free.fr
    http://f1agw.free.fr

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From: F6CWN

To: LF/GB

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:22 PM

Subject: LF: RX from MOBMU tonight!

09./08/2004 2020z

Hello the list,

Solid copy from M0BMU this night in spite of strong QRN ( storm cracks)

73: Jeff / F6CWN in JN09TT

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Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080103060500080509010307" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080103060500080509010307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This picture captured 2118z. 73 de Hartmut Wolff Locator:JO52HO > Received at 21:03 > 73 de Jean-Louis F1AGW > Dpt 93 JN18GU > f1agw@free.fr > http://f1agw.free.fr > ----- Original Message ----- > From: F6CWN > To: LF/GB > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:22 PM > Subject: LF: RX from MOBMU tonight! 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autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX from MOBMU tonight! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: "F1AGW" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX from MOBMU tonight! > This picture captured 2118z. > > 73 de Hartmut Wolff > Locator:JO52HO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 09./08/2004 2140z Hello Hartmut and the list, Very impressive your reception also! Congratulations Here i run with a 2 meter diameter loop with old 7.4 mm braid ( 3/8" Andrew 75 Ohms). Only 6 turns. The Z buffer is with 2 X BF988 from TFK and the receiver at this time is a simple selective level meter from W&G, the SPM3. This is not my normal equipment, a home brew system but not completely OK at this time ( i hope to finish then during the next winter...). See you soon Hartmut and thanks again for the picture. 73: Jeff / F6CWN ( also F6IFR) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83983 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 22:26:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 22:26:47 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuIeT-000AeU-Co for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:29:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuIeT-000AeR-Ab for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:29:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BuIbO-000LwZ-Nm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:26:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuIay-0000yH-Ja for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:26:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuIay-0000y8-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:26:20 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuIau-0000SS-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:26:20 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.179.203 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 22:26:10 -0000 Message-ID: <006001c47e5f$d84c79e0$7f808751@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:25:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: LF Beacon now QRT Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear LF group,

The beacon is now QRT for the time being. Thanks for all the reports, and to DJ9DW for the QSO. As always, let me know if you would like a sked or a beacon signal, different modes etc., and I will try to oblige.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79991 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2004 22:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2004 22:30:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuIip-000Lrq-6I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:34:27 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuIip-000Lrn-3y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:34:27 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BuIfN-000NAM-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:30:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuIfG-00011t-1T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:30:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuIfF-00011k-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:30:45 +0100 Received: from bay12-f7.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.7] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuIfB-0000UC-Ai for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:30:45 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:30:34 -0700 Received: from 138.32.32.44 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 22:30:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:30:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 22:30:34.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C4567A0:01C47E60] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: receivers good or bad - its the AGC and the noize blanker as well....? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit TS850 .v. 870 and them pesky Loran lines... I've been playing (that's a good word for it more than "research") on comparisons between the TS870S and the TS850 at this location - the major (major) Noise source is QRN from storms this time of year, as the SMPU's etc level is pretty low. I don't have to worry about Imod/xmod here/selectivity issues here and I run the RX on SSB at b/ws of around 2.8Khz so I can capture DCF39 and 137Khz at the same time on 2 or more Argo sessions. With the agc "on" both receivers the noise levels (crack bang whallop) sits, at say S9+10. The 850 is a more sensitive down here at LF but the noise figure differences is blown away by the QRN, well at this time of year anyway, on these larger rx arrays in use here. With the AGC's both Off on both receivers the 870 is able to delve into the noise and return better s/n. or Argo decodes at dot 30 - its not a small difference, its Huge. It seems to just be the NB on the 870 is better at blanking out lightning and maybe the AGC constants even with off are still "on" on the 850? For sure, without the NB on and the AGC ON I can hardly see a signal that is 30dB above noiz between these near constant crashes. Given the tests so far running both receivers from the same source and not equalizing levels for the 850's better sensitivity, the 870 is able to "see" into the noiz more effectively than the 850 (with either NB1 or NB2 or combinations of both on the 850) I think I've also eliminated the levels/ AGC nature of the Argo plots as a possibility too.... On a typical noisy day here in Okie - and remember these results are for this type of noise only... using Argo the 870 gives some 15"db" results than the 850. This would explain the very good results, much better than anticipated results in Ghana and Costa Rica - Even though the noize level was painfully high the 870 produced DCF39 at good levels. Another anomaly - I have another brain scratcher which I haven't yet figured out and may be a "high angle" reception issue (or not), but my large 350ft circum tuned loop (NE/SW firing) produces good daytime Loran lines from stations in the Gt Lakes area and Southern US chains (hundreds of miles away)- but the smaller K9AY which can put a heart shaped back lobe in 4 directions does not. At the moment we lose the Loran lines for most of the night.... But the K9AY does the business and actually produces better s/n from Eric XFX down the road (most ground wave during the day but definately skyway/groundwave mix during the night and a dawn/up to 3 hours after dawn enhancement of about 4dB over average...)- I switched the K9AY to fire other directions, but no it still doesn't produce strong Loran lines. I've checked to see if the Loran lines are something else ie Imod or some other nasty in the rx chain but No. The K9AY is shown to have a take off angle of 25 deg (hmm) but the difference is so manifest - its will be interesting to compare tonight when DCF39 comes in and or we start to see longer haul inter US 137Khz activity and see whether seeing Loran lines or not means seeing long(er) haul signals.... any thoughts on this? Laurence KL1x/5 still in Oklahoma _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33684 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 07:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 07:15:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuQuv-000C3D-40 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:19:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuQuv-000C3A-1q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:19:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BuQrQ-000KIp-9a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:15:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuQqX-0003BM-Hb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:14:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuQqX-0003BD-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:14:57 +0100 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuQqT-0002De-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:14:57 +0100 Received: from fwd09.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BuQqT-0000tK-01; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:14:53 +0200 Received: from oben (G-1i8sZGwe0huiOUgtxupgiCcAibuDP64UcvtTp3r9H0w2ryYPf6wO@[217.81.166.25]) by fwd09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BuQqJ-1OU9h20; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:14:43 +0200 Message-ID: <003801c47eaa$42194930$ee9bfea9@oben> From: dj9dw To: "LF_group" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:18:38 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ID: G-1i8sZGwe0huiOUgtxupgiCcAibuDP64UcvtTp3r9H0w2ryYPf6wO X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.2 Subject: LF: Reports X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello FL-ers, I knew, Jeff was on RX, so I thiught, I might give him a singal too. It turned out, that quite e few oms were Rx-ing too. So I kindly want to thank you all, who sent reports. Condx: 80 Watts into 20m umbrella, 300pF on top, R of antenna abt 60 Ohms, where 20 Ohms are caused by bushes. I did not expect a qso last night, as Jim was beaconing. The more surprised was I to have my first M0-qso. Only question: Jeff, did you copy anything of my sig or was the loop fixed to Jim? With best regards es vy 73 de Peter, dj9dw. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2247 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuYKF-000N9O-9e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:14:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuYKF-000N9E-5U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:14:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BuYH4-000MyF-3g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:10:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuYGM-0005XP-Qa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:10:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuYGM-0005X7-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:10:06 +0100 Received: from h13.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.63] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuYGH-00053i-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:10:06 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.209.58) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F9A18001215BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:09:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c47d73$a5345d80$3ad1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:11:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_DSBL=1.101,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: DJ9DW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

A good signal from DJ9DW on 137.7 khz calling CQ yesterday evening on QRS. Report about 549 audible with QSB.

M0BMU active about the same time on beacon QRS about 569.

Antenna this end a vertical parallel resonated 80 metre loop, RX Hagenuk EE430 and audio DSP filter.

This RX is designed to work from 10 khz to 30 mhz and sensitivity is good at the LF end, no external preamp required, more than enough gain with the loop and vertical.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79774 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 15:10:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuYKF-000N9A-3K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:14:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuYKF-000N97-14 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:14:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BuYH4-0002by-3h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:10:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuYGM-0005XQ-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:10:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuYGM-0005XB-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:10:06 +0100 Received: from h13.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.63] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuYGI-00053k-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:10:06 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.209.58) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 410F9A18001215BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c47d73$a61f59c0$3ad1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:14:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_DSBL=1.101,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: HOT AIR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

There is plenty of this around on here!

I am thinking of building or buying a small hot air baloon. I thought if I could get a suitable design and materials I would attempt to build one and use say a primus stove or small gas bottled device to generate the hot air.

Has anyone tried this approach or got any ideas.

Instead of unstable kites or helium balloons, gas hard to get in large quantities. I thought a hot air tethered balloon might be the approach.

Your comments good or bad. I am not easily upset.

de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72368 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 17:16:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 17:16:06 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuaHr-0004xL-5n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:19:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuaHr-0004xH-2H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:19:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BuaEI-0009oI-4R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:16:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BuaDX-0006BC-97 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:15:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BuaDW-0006B3-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:15:18 +0100 Received: from [80.247.70.6] (helo=smtp-out1.email.it) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BuaDT-0005mO-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:15:18 +0100 Received: by smtp-out1.email.it (Email.it, from userid 101) id D36321C8123; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:15:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ppp-62-10-67-193.dialup.tiscali.it (ppp-62-10-67-193.dialup.tiscali.it [62.10.67.193])by smtp-out1.email.it (Email.it) with ESMTP id 31EAE1C8073for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:15:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:16:35 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <003801c47d8a$39c22480$149824d5@jboi0045tiscali> In-Reply-To: <003801c47d8a$39c22480$149824d5@jboi0045tiscali> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408101916.36444.smtp01@email.it> X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.email.it/ita/privacy.html X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,SARE_FREE_WEBM_ZIt001=0.389 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On Sunday 08 August 2004 22:55, F6CWN wrote: > 08./08/2004 2050z > > Hello the list! > > I am still RX QRV with the new front head high Z adaptater ( a > pair of BF988) on the 2 meter's loop. I will be very happy to > receive somebody with this equipment... > Any station ready for a test in QRSS 3 ? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jeff / F6CWN ( JN 09 TT ) HI all. My antenna has been elevated. Ready for QRSS 3 seconds QSO at 137.700 +- 10 Hz this evening and next days. Abt 500 W into the antenna, Rant 60 ohm, I ant 1.3 A 73 de Claudio, ik2pii -- Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: I migliori vini a prezzi imbattibili e per ogni acquisto speciali omaggi! Clicca e prova la convenienza ora! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2624&d=10-8 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24229 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2004 18:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2004 18:39:40 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bubaj-000ELB-K6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:43:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bubaj-000EL8-Hu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:43:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BubXA-000PNs-47 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:39:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BubWR-0006c1-FV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:38:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BubWR-0006bs-4c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:38:55 +0100 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BubWN-0006B1-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:38:55 +0100 Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BubWN-0000XT-00; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:38:51 +0200 Received: from oben (rXdeE2Z6wewWsqXpTAcBuxcDYlR4DXnckYwuS8zWpl8UcuHFxNMu65@[80.128.190.86]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1BubWA-1wllkO0; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:38:38 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c47f09$cdaf2fa0$ee9bfea9@oben> From: dj9dw To: "LF_group" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:42:35 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ID: rXdeE2Z6wewWsqXpTAcBuxcDYlR4DXnckYwuS8zWpl8UcuHFxNMu65 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.2,TW_TN=0.077 Subject: LF: Reports X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Mal and Ko, tnx Mal for detailled info. I'm rather impressed by the fact that signal was audiable. Compliments on your rig. And yes, Ko, I have been testing for short time some weeks ago. But this time it lead to a qso, thanks Jim, M0BMU. Did appreciate your report too. More activity when temps are human agn in the shack. So vy 73 de Peter, dj9dw. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19754 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 00:17:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 00:17:03 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bugqm-000Lr9-29 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:20:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bugql-000Lr6-W1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:20:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BugnA-00055j-7k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:16:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BugmF-0008NY-Em for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:15:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BugmF-0008NP-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:15:35 +0100 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BugmB-0007u1-Bq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:15:35 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i7B0FOec084318 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:45:25 -0230 (NDT) (envelope-from jcraig@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i7B0FNgC021698 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:45:23 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id i7B0FNs8019223; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:45:23 -0230 (NDT) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:45:23 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <200408101916.36444.smtp01@email.it> Message-ID: References: <003801c47d8a$39c22480$149824d5@jboi0045tiscali> <200408101916.36444.smtp01@email.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group, I am using my original configuration again until I make a new external ATU. 100 watts 1.6 amps to 100 metre sloping wire on 137.777 kHz +- 0.1 Hz. QRSS30 on hour, 5 WPM on half hour starting 0001 UTC 12 August. Skeds and signal reports are most welcome. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7850 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 09:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 09:24:23 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BupOc-000FMl-TI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:27:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BupOc-000FMi-Qo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:27:46 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BupLL-000HnN-De for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:24:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BupKf-0002T2-8x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BupKe-0002St-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:40 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BupKb-00027d-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:40 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1BupK7-0001Wj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:07 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BupK6-0005lN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:07 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:23:09 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: RE: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Claudio, Will make an attempt this evening, if you like - I can be QRV after about 1800utc if that is any good, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Claudio Pozzi Sent: 10 August 2004 18:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! HI all. My antenna has been elevated. Ready for QRSS 3 seconds QSO at 137.700 +- 10 Hz this evening and next days. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2418 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 11:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 11:47:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BurdD-000AEo-Fo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BurdD-000AEl-DU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:50:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BurZW-0005tX-TZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:47:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BurYv-0003Cu-HC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:46:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BurYv-0003Cl-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:46:33 +0100 Received: from h14.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.64] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BurYr-0002zR-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:46:33 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.205.25) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 4119F3AE00001857 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:46:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c47e0c$35cf4560$19cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002501c47f09$cdaf2fa0$ee9bfea9@oben> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:26:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_TN=0.077 Subject: LF: Re: Reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "dj9dw" To: "LF_group" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: LF: Reports > Hello Mal and Ko, > tnx Mal for detailled info. I'm rather impressed by the fact that signal was > audiable. Compliments on your rig. > > And yes, Ko, I have been testing for short time some weeks ago. But this > time it lead to a qso, thanks Jim, M0BMU. > Did appreciate your report too. > > More activity when temps are human agn in the shack. > > So vy 73 de Peter, dj9dw. Hi Peter. The loop is max in your direction E/W. The Russian stations are always very strong with me and stations from the West like VE/VO 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3306 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 14:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 14:04:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ButmH-0001Aq-KF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:08:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1ButmH-0001Ac-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:08:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Butia-000LwH-14 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:04:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Buthw-0003zU-Cs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:04:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Buthw-0003zL-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:04:00 +0100 Received: from smtp-out2.email.it ([80.247.70.7]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Buths-0003nR-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:04:00 +0100 Received: by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it, from userid 101) id 0B3ED1BC3BE; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ppp-62-10-65-227.dialup.tiscali.it (ppp-62-10-65-227.dialup.tiscali.it [62.10.65.227])by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it) with ESMTP id 926F41BC3BEfor ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:03:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:04:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408111604.12003.smtp01@email.it> X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.email.it/ita/privacy.html X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,SARE_FREE_WEBM_ZIt001=0.389 Subject: Re: LF: Still RX QRV! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On Wednesday 11 August 2004 11:23, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Claudio, > > Will make an attempt this evening, if you like - I can be QRV after > about 1800utc if that is any good, > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > OK Jim. I go no air after 1800 utc, 137.700 +- 20 Hz, QRSS 3 sec. Yesterday evening too many statics from storm. Also rain and my loading coil isn't water proof. Antenna was put down. 73 de Claudio, ik2pii -- Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: America, Africa, Australia, Asia...con Email Phone Card chiami ovunque spendendo meno di una telefonata interurbana Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2688&d=11-8 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16144 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 19:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 19:55:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuzFG-0005Ak-Ke for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:58:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BuzFG-0005Ah-Hr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 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to Jean-Louis for the report - I have been transmitting occasional CQ's since about 1800utc - I saw a weak signal at about 2020utc that I am fairly sure was IK2PII, and sent an "M" report - howwever, only very faint traces of signal were visible after that, which were too weak to read under the QRN. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: F1AGW To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:54 PM Subject: LF: M0BMU > Received (one time) at 19:28Z CQ from M0BMU > > 73 de Jean-Louis F1AGW > Dpt 93 JN18GU > f1agw@free.fr > http://f1agw.free.fr > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42309 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 21:48:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 21:48:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bv11Q-0001D8-I3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:52:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bv11Q-0001D5-5a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:52:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bv0xf-0000Hg-E6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:48:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bv0xI-0006Sr-Ne for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:48:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bv0xI-0006Si-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:48:20 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bv0xE-0006jz-Ky for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:48:20 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.1.14) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 4119A16D00220090 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:48:06 +0200 Message-ID: <006801c47fec$ce9fb900$0e0124d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: "LF/GB" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:46:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Be back! 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11./08/2004 2140z

Hello all LF'er

I am very sorry but not internet ( and no phone too) from my side during last day.

Someting wrong somewhere in a wire... (grrrr!)

Now it's ok! ... (only 302 meesages) :0)

For Peter DJ9DW: sorry nothing from your side, too storm craks!

Can we try the 13 of August?

For Claudio IK2PII: sorry , i just read your message,and nothing too, exept the

terrific 599 from M0BMU! But the operator is not a good one...I must to learn more.

At the present time in the NW part of France the weather is very bad ( very storming

says the men at the TV). I will to make the most of this bad period to work on the LF station.

73 to all (the atrocius SWL): Jeff / F6CWN

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30500 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 22:45:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 22:45:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bv1uL-000KoD-TO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:49:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bv1uL-000KoA-Qk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:49:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bv1qz-000CWi-C0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:45:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bv1qD-0006nH-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:45:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bv1qD-0006n8-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:45:05 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bv1q9-00072G-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:45:05 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.1.14) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 41199D87002592D7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:44:55 +0200 Message-ID: <00ae01c47ff4$be4112e0$0e0124d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c47d73$a61f59c0$3ad1fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:44:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: HOT AIR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

11./08/2004 2157z

Hello Mal,

My poor experiment with a kite is not very conclusive in RX mode...

The kite was 4.2 meter large ( delta design) in carbon fiber and spi snail.

The wire was 2 mm aluminium. At 110 meter AGL it is impossible to tune

the variometer correcctly during a long period ( capacity move too much).

But it's works fine if you want receive broadcast transmitter ( like France-inter

on 162 KHz with 2.2 MW or BBC...!) I never receive OM LF station with this

antenna ( intermodulations).

Never forget to put a resistor between the wire and the ground and don't use

wire with PE or PTFE, the voltage will be very high by dry wind ( many KV!).

My conclusion:funny but dangerous!

I thing that helium baloon is the same but more expensive...the wire is heavy

and a little one is too resistive and delicate.

Cheers: Jeff / F6CWN

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:14 PM

Subject: LF: HOT AIR

There is plenty of this around on here!

I am thinking of building or buying a small hot air baloon. I thought if I could get a suitable design and materials I would attempt to build one and use say a primus stove or small gas bottled device to generate the hot air.

Has anyone tried this approach or got any ideas.

Instead of unstable kites or helium balloons, gas hard to get in large quantities. I thought a hot air tethered balloon might be the approach.

Your comments good or bad. I am not easily upset.

de Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46983 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 20:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 20:10:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvLxV-0003cm-KE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:13:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvLxV-0003cd-G7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:13:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BvLu1-000310-7R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:10:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvLt7-000371-Sk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:09:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvLt7-00036s-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:09:25 +0100 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvLt3-0004pL-J5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:09:25 +0100 Received: from CPHL039 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE66665600BA; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:09:10 +0200 Message-ID: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: "LF Group" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:06:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RX in OZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi LF group,

I am frequent RX QRV with a 3m magnetic loop her from OZ land more spec. 30 km west of Copenhage Locator JO65BP.

The only signal received until now is SM6BHZ around midnight 23/7/04 with 59++, but be seeing a lot of signals without identification.

Drop me a mail if you want me to listen on a specific time.

At the moment I only have a exciter for LF and are collecting component for a output stage and TX ant.

Vy 73 for more activity

Ingolf OZ7QC

oz7qc@schaui.dk

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82069 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 20:41:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 20:41:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvMRg-00066o-Dn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvMRg-00066l-8B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvMOB-0004ZG-QL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:41:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvMNq-0003Et-3B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:41:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvMNp-0003Ek-Nr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:41:09 +0100 Received: from smtp-out2.email.it ([80.247.70.7]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvMNm-0004xL-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:41:09 +0100 Received: by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it, from userid 101) id 5904F1BC0E2; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:41:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ppp-62-10-65-107.dialup.tiscali.it (ppp-62-10-65-107.dialup.tiscali.it [62.10.65.107])by smtp-out2.email.it (Email.it) with ESMTP id 135E31BC06Bfor ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:41:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:41:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <012101c47fdd$0232cc40$0100a8c0@free.fr> <004901c47fe7$a3882cc0$8ce08351@jgtdiynm> In-Reply-To: <004901c47fe7$a3882cc0$8ce08351@jgtdiynm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408122241.33180.smtp01@email.it> X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.email.it/ita/privacy.html X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.247.70.7 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of email.it X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,SARE_FREE_WEBM_ZIt001=0.389 Subject: Re: LF: Re: M0BMU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On Wednesday 11 August 2004 23:10, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > Thanks to Jean-Louis for the report - I have been transmitting > occasional CQ's since about 1800utc - I saw a weak signal at about > 2020utc that I am fairly sure was IK2PII, and sent an "M" report - > howwever, only very faint traces of signal were visible after that, > which were too weak to read under the QRN. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > TNX Jim. I transmitted some CQ between 18.30 and 19.30 UTC, and after 20.15 UTC at 137.710 kHz. No signals received, strong noise. 73 de Claudio, ik2pii -- Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Incredibile offerta: 18 eccellenti vini Giordano + 7 gustose specialità * alimentari compreso un carrello dispensa o una batteria di pentole. * Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2619&d=12-8 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88175 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 20:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 20:45:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvMWA-000405-FO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:49:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvMWA-000402-Cw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:49:46 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BvMSG-000EpF-5n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:45:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvMS5-0003J0-L6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvMS5-0003Ir-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:33 +0100 Received: from [80.247.70.6] (helo=smtp-out1.email.it) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvMS1-0004zR-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:33 +0100 Received: by smtp-out1.email.it (Email.it, from userid 101) id A4F821C8033; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:45:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ppp-62-10-65-107.dialup.tiscali.it (ppp-62-10-65-107.dialup.tiscali.it [62.10.65.107])by smtp-out1.email.it (Email.it) with ESMTP id EE5291C8033for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:45:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:45:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <006801c47fec$ce9fb900$0e0124d5@jboi0045tiscali> In-Reply-To: <006801c47fec$ce9fb900$0e0124d5@jboi0045tiscali> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408122245.38191.smtp01@email.it> X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.email.it/ita/privacy.html X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.247.70.6 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of email.it X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,SARE_FREE_WEBM_ZIt001=0.389 Subject: Re: LF: Be back! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On Wednesday 11 August 2004 23:46, F6CWN wrote: > 11./08/2004 2140z > > Hello all LF'er > > I am very sorry but not internet ( and no phone too) from my side > during last day. Someting wrong somewhere in a wire... (grrrr!) > Now it's ok! ... (only 302 meesages) :0) > > For Peter DJ9DW: sorry nothing from your side, too storm craks! > Can we try the 13 of August? > > For Claudio IK2PII: sorry , i just read your message,and nothing > too, exept the terrific 599 from M0BMU! But the operator is not a > good one...I must to learn more. > > At the present time in the NW part of France the weather is very > bad ( very storming says the men at the TV). I will to make the > most of this bad period to work on the LF station. > > 73 to all (the atrocius SWL): Jeff / F6CWN TNX Jeff. 73 de Claudio, ik2pii -- Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Dai più energia al tuo sport! Rigenera il tuo corpo in maniera naturale * Grazie agli integratori sport che trovi solo su Erboristeria.com Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2379&d=12-8 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94006 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 20:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 20:45:45 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvMWA-00040C-I8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:49:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvMWA-000409-Fc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:49:46 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvMSG-0003Vw-6P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:44 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvMSA-0003JJ-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvMS9-0003JA-Mz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:37 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvMS5-0004zQ-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:45:37 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.164.15) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 411AEF61001D4A6B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:45:28 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:44:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: RX in OZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

12./08/2004 2032z

Hello Ingolf and the list,

I see that your are like me, a LF SWL at the moment! 0:)

I am sure that you can receive MOBMU, at least...

Just a little question about your 3 meter loop: how many turns dou you use?

From my side, i use 6 turns, 7.4 mm wire and 2.2O meter of diameter.

I am thinking about a 3m and 8 turns...Because just at the moment i am "beaming"

to VO1NA in QRSS 30 (137.777 KHz) and nothing at the screen! Perhaps during

the night after the gray line...

73 Ingolf

Jeff / F6CWN ( JN09TT)

----- Original Message -----

From: OZ7QC

To: LF Group

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:06 PM

Subject: LF: RX in OZ

Hi LF group,

I am frequent RX QRV with a 3m magnetic loop her from OZ land more spec. 30 km west of Copenhage Locator JO65BP.

The only signal received until now is SM6BHZ around midnight 23/7/04 with 59++, but be seeing a lot of signals without identification.

Drop me a mail if you want me to listen on a specific time.

At the moment I only have a exciter for LF and are collecting component for a output stage and TX ant.

Vy 73 for more activity

Ingolf OZ7QC

oz7qc@schaui.dk

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12./08/2004 2301z

Hello Claudio,

The noise is quite good the evening, are you OK for a test in QRSS3 or 10?

73 : Jeff / F6CWN ( JN09TT)

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57646 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 21:32:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 21:32:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvNEf-000ACZ-5t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:35:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvNEf-000ACW-3I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:35:45 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvNBA-000Ou2-6y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:32:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvNAS-0003aF-6K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:31:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvNAR-0003a6-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:31:23 +0100 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvNAN-0005Bm-GQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:31:23 +0100 Received: from CPHL039 [80.63.129.70] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id A19C82580034; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:31:08 +0200 Message-ID: <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:28:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RX in OZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your reply

Yes I think I can receive him to but at the moment there is to much crack from thunder storm her in the array.

I have made the loop out of VE7LS http://www.lwca.org/miscdocs/ve7sl.htm idea, but with 40 turns 0,5mm in a special way to avoid internal capacity for the tuning coil, and 2 turns for the RX coil.

I don't have data or picture of my antenna yet but if you are interested I can produce some specification for you.

Vy 73

Ingolf OZ7QC

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:44 PM

Subject: LF: Re: RX in OZ

12./08/2004 2032z

Hello Ingolf and the list,

I see that your are like me, a LF SWL at the moment! 0:)

I am sure that you can receive MOBMU, at least...

Just a little question about your 3 meter loop: how many turns dou you use?

From my side, i use 6 turns, 7.4 mm wire and 2.2O meter of diameter.

I am thinking about a 3m and 8 turns...Because just at the moment i am "beaming"

to VO1NA in QRSS 30 (137.777 KHz) and nothing at the screen! Perhaps during

the night after the gray line...

73 Ingolf

Jeff / F6CWN ( JN09TT)

----- Original Message -----

From: OZ7QC

To: LF Group

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:06 PM

Subject: LF: RX in OZ

Hi LF group,

I am frequent RX QRV with a 3m magnetic loop her from OZ land more spec. 30 km west of Copenhage Locator JO65BP.

The only signal received until now is SM6BHZ around midnight 23/7/04 with 59++, but be seeing a lot of signals without identification.

Drop me a mail if you want me to listen on a specific time.

At the moment I only have a exciter for LF and are collecting component for a output stage and TX ant.

Vy 73 for more activity

Ingolf OZ7QC

oz7qc@schaui.dk

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91311 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2004 21:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 21:55:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvNbc-000C2S-Bc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:59:28 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvNbc-000C2P-9H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:59:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BvNY7-000Eor-8X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:55:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvNXm-0003hT-N8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:55:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvNXm-0003hK-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:55:30 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvNXh-0005Fu-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:55:30 +0100 Received: from Upstairs (pcp04366962pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net[69.140.204.53]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200408122155160150093vr7e>; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:55:16 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c480b7$131350e0$6401a8c0@Upstairs> From: "Ralph Lane" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:55:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.869,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RX in OZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Could you describe your loop? Diameter?

What winding technique did you use to reduce or avoid internal capacity?

Thanks,

Ralph

----- Original Message -----

From: OZ7QC

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:28 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: RX in OZ

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your reply

Yes I think I can receive him to but at the moment there is to much crack from thunder storm her in the array.

I have made the loop out of VE7LS http://www.lwca.org/miscdocs/ve7sl.htm idea, but with 40 turns 0,5mm in a special way to avoid internal capacity for the tuning coil, and 2 turns for the RX coil.

I don't have data or picture of my antenna yet but if you are interested I can produce some specification for you.

Vy 73

Ingolf OZ7QC

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:44 PM

Subject: LF: Re: RX in OZ

12./08/2004 2032z

Hello Ingolf and the list,

I see that your are like me, a LF SWL at the moment! 0:)

I am sure that you can receive MOBMU, at least...

Just a little question about your 3 meter loop: how many turns dou you use?

From my side, i use 6 turns, 7.4 mm wire and 2.2O meter of diameter.

I am thinking about a 3m and 8 turns...Because just at the moment i am "beaming"

to VO1NA in QRSS 30 (137.777 KHz) and nothing at the screen! Perhaps during

the night after the gray line...

73 Ingolf

Jeff / F6CWN ( JN09TT)

----- Original Message -----

From: OZ7QC

To: LF Group

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:06 PM

Subject: LF: RX in OZ

Hi LF group,

I am frequent RX QRV with a 3m magnetic loop her from OZ land more spec. 30 km west of Copenhage Locator JO65BP.

The only signal received until now is SM6BHZ around midnight 23/7/04 with 59++, but be seeing a lot of signals without identification.

Drop me a mail if you want me to listen on a specific time.

At the moment I only have a exciter for LF and are collecting component for a output stage and TX ant.

Vy 73 for more activity

Ingolf OZ7QC

oz7qc@schaui.dk

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76357 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 00:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 00:27:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvPyq-000NKQ-Dd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:31:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvPyq-000NKN-BU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:31:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BvPvK-000JqR-D0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:27:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvPuW-00049j-IY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:27:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvPuW-00049a-1J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:27:08 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvPuS-0005qA-2M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:27:08 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.164.15) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 4108A95401F69111 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:26:54 +0200 Message-ID: <008801c480cc$25700ac0$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:26:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RX in OZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

12./08/2004 2223z

Hello Ingolf,

Thanks for the infos, indeed,i should appreciate some additionals

comments if you have some time...

My system use very old 75 Ohms Andrew ( or something like that)

coax cable out of order for VHF activity.( normaly i use it for 80 or

160m dipole!)

Only the braid is used, with a space of 3.5 time the diameter between

every turn. The spacers are PVC type, but without lead ( you test it in

the µwave oven, it must be cold!). The number of turns is always even,

for a central pick up to the ground. The tune capacity must to be a

very good one to keep high Q ( very important). I use PTFE capacitor or

mica type. The variable capacitor is a little one ( around 150 pF air model with

very good ground contacts). I use a little DC motor and a gear box to tune

this system from the station ( essential if you want to have the peace with

your neighbouring, otherwise take the audio to the maximum, open the window

and tune for max noise... at 2 o'clock in the morning it's super! :0) )

A little relay switch a additional capacitor to increase the band.

On the middle of the loop, i put a little second loop ( around 30 cm of diameter),

one turn, connect to a simple coax cable, this loop is used to tune the RX

equipment to the desired frequency with the transmit generator ( ultra QRP

of course!), then the tune for max is very easy from the shack ( and more

sociable!).

At the two end of the loop i put a preamplifier ( not exactly preamplifier, rather

Z translator ) to convert the high Z symmetrical from the loop to 50 Ohms asymmetric.

I test many configurations (valves, bipolar and MOS) but at this moment no significant

results...( say you more in the 10 futures years...)

All this thingamajig ( loop, tune system, preamp ,rotator) is at about 1.5 meter AGL.

I must continue the investigations, but XYL ( F6IFR ) find me some other entertainings

during the freetime! (hi!)

To be continued...

Vy 73

Jeff / F6CWN

----- Original Message -----

From: OZ7QC

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:28 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: RX in OZ

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your reply

Yes I think I can receive him to but at the moment there is to much crack from thunder storm her in the array.

I have made the loop out of VE7LS http://www.lwca.org/miscdocs/ve7sl.htm idea, but with 40 turns 0,5mm in a special way to avoid internal capacity for the tuning coil, and 2 turns for the RX coil.

I don't have data or picture of my antenna yet but if you are interested I can produce some specification for you.

Vy 73

Ingolf OZ7QC

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80659 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 07:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 07:59:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvX2b-0005oO-Km for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:03:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvX2b-0005oL-IL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:03:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvWyc-0001Zm-L1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:59:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvWxd-0005Du-Gm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:58:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvWxc-0005Dl-VO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:58:48 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvWxY-0007eQ-QV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:58:48 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.14]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040813075848.XYEB9678.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:58:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01c4810b$bb41ede0$0e540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <008801c480cc$25700ac0$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:01:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.46 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: RX in OZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

,,,and what is the impedance at the ends of the loop _before_ Z translator ? ?

S.V.P

Bryan

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:26 AM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RX in OZ

12./08/2004 2223z

Hello Ingolf,

Thanks for the infos, indeed,i should appreciate some additionals

comments if you have some time...

My system use very old 75 Ohms Andrew ( or something like that)

coax cable out of order for VHF activity.( normaly i use it for 80 or

160m dipole!)

Only the braid is used, with a space of 3.5 time the diameter between

every turn. The spacers are PVC type, but without lead ( you test it in

the µwave oven, it must be cold!). The number of turns is always even,

for a central pick up to the ground. The tune capacity must to be a

very good one to keep high Q ( very important). I use PTFE capacitor or

mica type. The variable capacitor is a little one ( around 150 pF air model with

very good ground contacts). I use a little DC motor and a gear box to tune

this system from the station ( essential if you want to have the peace with

your neighbouring, otherwise take the audio to the maximum, open the window

and tune for max noise... at 2 o'clock in the morning it's super! :0) )

A little relay switch a additional capacitor to increase the band.

On the middle of the loop, i put a little second loop ( around 30 cm of diameter),

one turn, connect to a simple coax cable, this loop is used to tune the RX

equipment to the desired frequency with the transmit generator ( ultra QRP

of course!), then the tune for max is very easy from the shack ( and more

sociable!).

At the two end of the loop i put a preamplifier ( not exactly preamplifier, rather

Z translator ) to convert the high Z symmetrical from the loop to 50 Ohms asymmetric.

I test many configurations (valves, bipolar and MOS) but at this moment no significant

results...( say you more in the 10 futures years...)

All this thingamajig ( loop, tune system, preamp ,rotator) is at about 1.5 meter AGL.

I must continue the investigations, but XYL ( F6IFR ) find me some other entertainings

during the freetime! (hi!)

To be continued...

Vy 73

Jeff / F6CWN

----- Original Message -----

From: OZ7QC

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:28 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: RX in OZ

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your reply

Yes I think I can receive him to but at the moment there is to much crack from thunder storm her in the array.

I have made the loop out of VE7LS http://www.lwca.org/miscdocs/ve7sl.htm idea, but with 40 turns 0,5mm in a special way to avoid internal capacity for the tuning coil, and 2 turns for the RX coil.

I don't have data or picture of my antenna yet but if you are interested I can produce some specification for you.

Vy 73

Ingolf OZ7QC

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20937 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 10:09:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 10:09:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvZ48-000K5z-7d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:13:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvZ48-000K5w-5E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:13:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvZ08-000Def-9c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:09:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvYzN-0005aM-P7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:08:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvYzN-0005aD-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:08:45 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvYzJ-0008IT-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:08:45 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.0.218) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 411AF3280032DC36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:08:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c4811d$6730c2a0$da0024d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <008801c480cc$25700ac0$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <001d01c4810b$bb41ede0$0e540150@captbrian> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:07:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=B2:_Tune_the_loop...?= Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

13./08/2004 0944z

Good morning Bryan,

The impedance ( in my case, for the loop # 005 ) is around 65 KOhms mesured

at the tune resonnace with a network analyser.

The mesure is not very easy to do because the loop pick up signals...

I tryed to pack the loop with chicken wire netting, and put then to the ground,

like a Faraday box. This is not a fine system, because the network analyser need

an external AC power line... :0)

To know the impedance is not very important opposite to the high Z of the input

of the active impedance adaptater ( many M Ohms).

The most important thing is the quality of the tune capacitor to keep a high Q and

consequently a narrow band pass ( R // to L)

In a next time a will try to use a air butterfly capacitor (~ 500 pF) to tune the complete

band. To my knowledge, this component do not exist, then: "to it yourself!"

If you are rich (this is not my case!), you can try to use two vaccum capacitors in

differential structure. (why not!)

Higher is Q, better is the noise immunity!

"So many thingamajig to do, so short time!"

Cheers: Jeff

From: captbrian

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:01 AM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: RX in OZ

,,,and what is the impedance at the ends of the loop _before_ Z translator ? ?

S.V.P

Bryan

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24777 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 11:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 11:02:55 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvZtm-0000U7-FO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:07:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvZtm-0000U4-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:07:02 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvZpm-000FYG-7W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:02:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvZpO-0005nn-2w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:02:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvZpN-0005ne-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:02:29 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvZpJ-000091-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:02:29 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.111]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040813110054.KXFV4149.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:00:54 +0100 Message-ID: <009101c48125$643b56c0$0e540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <008801c480cc$25700ac0$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <001d01c4810b$bb41ede0$0e540150@captbrian> <000901c4811d$6730c2a0$da0024d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:05:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.43 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re=B2:_Tune_the_loop...?= Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Merci,

I wonder why you don't use the commonplace (for higher frequencies ) small loop inside the bigger one for impedance transformation and variable coupling?. Notice I am learning from others' mistakes before making my own loop :-))

Bryan G3GVB

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:07 AM

Subject: LF: Re²: Tune the loop...

13./08/2004 0944z

Good morning Bryan,

The impedance ( in my case, for the loop # 005 ) is around 65 KOhms mesured

at the tune resonnace with a network analyser.

The mesure is not very easy to do because the loop pick up signals...

I tryed to pack the loop with chicken wire netting, and put then to the ground,

like a Faraday box. This is not a fine system, because the network analyser need

an external AC power line... :0)

To know the impedance is not very important opposite to the high Z of the input

of the active impedance adaptater ( many M Ohms).

The most important thing is the quality of the tune capacitor to keep a high Q and

consequently a narrow band pass ( R // to L)

In a next time a will try to use a air butterfly capacitor (~ 500 pF) to tune the complete

band. To my knowledge, this component do not exist, then: "to it yourself!"

If you are rich (this is not my case!), you can try to use two vaccum capacitors in

differential structure. (why not!)

Higher is Q, better is the noise immunity!

"So many thingamajig to do, so short time!"

Cheers: Jeff

From: captbrian

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:01 AM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: RX in OZ

,,,and what is the impedance at the ends of the loop _before_ Z translator ? ?

S.V.P

Bryan

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39268 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 11:57:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 11:57:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvakG-0006oz-99 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:01:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvakG-0006ow-5y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:01:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvagF-000D1Z-Jx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:57:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvafg-0005zV-Sp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:56:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvafg-0005zM-AH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:56:32 +0100 Received: from mailserver2.webhot2.dk ([130.228.0.22]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bvafb-0000Nu-IM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:56:32 +0100 Received: from CPHL039 [80.199.163.98] by mailserver2.webhot2.dk (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC61957E0030; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:56:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c4812c$342e4c10$020aa8c0@hasbro.co.uk> From: "OZ7QC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <008801c480cc$25700ac0$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:53:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 1.75 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 130.228.0.22 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of schaui.dk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Loop ant Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi Jeff and Lf group,

Take a look at this page http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm/Loop.html in the mean time I will produce some data and pictures of my own version with some modifications for VLF and LF.

Vy 73

Ingolf OZ7QC

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 2:26 AM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RX in OZ

12./08/2004 2223z

Hello Ingolf,

Thanks for the infos, indeed,i should appreciate some additionals

comments if you have some time...

My system use very old 75 Ohms Andrew ( or something like that)

coax cable out of order for VHF activity.( normaly i use it for 80 or

160m dipole!)

Only the braid is used, with a space of 3.5 time the diameter between

every turn. The spacers are PVC type, but without lead ( you test it in

the µwave oven, it must be cold!). The number of turns is always even,

for a central pick up to the ground. The tune capacity must to be a

very good one to keep high Q ( very important). I use PTFE capacitor or

mica type. The variable capacitor is a little one ( around 150 pF air model with

very good ground contacts). I use a little DC motor and a gear box to tune

this system from the station ( essential if you want to have the peace with

your neighbouring, otherwise take the audio to the maximum, open the window

and tune for max noise... at 2 o'clock in the morning it's super! :0) )

A little relay switch a additional capacitor to increase the band.

On the middle of the loop, i put a little second loop ( around 30 cm of diameter),

one turn, connect to a simple coax cable, this loop is used to tune the RX

equipment to the desired frequency with the transmit generator ( ultra QRP

of course!), then the tune for max is very easy from the shack ( and more

sociable!).

At the two end of the loop i put a preamplifier ( not exactly preamplifier, rather

Z translator ) to convert the high Z symmetrical from the loop to 50 Ohms asymmetric.

I test many configurations (valves, bipolar and MOS) but at this moment no significant

results...( say you more in the 10 futures years...)

All this thingamajig ( loop, tune system, preamp ,rotator) is at about 1.5 meter AGL.

I must continue the investigations, but XYL ( F6IFR ) find me some other entertainings

during the freetime! (hi!)

To be continued...

Vy 73

Jeff / F6CWN

----- Original Message -----

From: OZ7QC

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:28 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: RX in OZ

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your reply

Yes I think I can receive him to but at the moment there is to much crack from thunder storm her in the array.

I have made the loop out of VE7LS http://www.lwca.org/miscdocs/ve7sl.htm idea, but with 40 turns 0,5mm in a special way to avoid internal capacity for the tuning coil, and 2 turns for the RX coil.

I don't have data or picture of my antenna yet but if you are interested I can produce some specification for you.

Vy 73

Ingolf OZ7QC

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20743 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 12:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 12:40:13 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvbPx-000Bhk-BU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:44:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvbPx-000Bhh-8s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:44:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvbLw-000Dmp-IH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:40:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvbLT-00069y-O6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:39:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvbLT-00069p-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:39:43 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvbLP-0000ag-Hn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:39:43 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.30.55) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 411AED1700373946 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:39:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c48132$7e2ad260$371e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002601c480a7$e7ea4400$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <001501c480ad$373a9460$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <004501c480b3$58654670$1600a8c0@hasbro.co.uk> <008801c480cc$25700ac0$0fa424d5@jboi0045tiscali> <001d01c4810b$bb41ede0$0e540150@captbrian> <000901c4811d$6730c2a0$da0024d5@jboi0045tiscali> <009101c48125$643b56c0$0e540150@captbrian> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:31:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_Re=B2:_Tune_the_loop...?= Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

13./08/2004 1211z

Hi Bryan,

I also used a loop with a second loop inside, then i receive very well a submarine transmitter very close...

The mutual coupling between the low Z pick up loop and the "RX" loop elarge the BW...They are no miracle!

Maybe the loop # 142857 will be perfect, wait and see! :-))

Jeff / F6CWN

----- Original Message -----

From: captbrian

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:05 AM

Subject: LF: Re: Re²: Tune the loop...

Merci,

I wonder why you don't use the commonplace (for higher frequencies ) small loop inside the bigger one for impedance transformation and variable coupling?. Notice I am learning from others' mistakes before making my own loop :-))

Bryan G3GVB

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3227 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 16:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 16:01:02 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BveXs-0002Lm-Oi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:04:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BveXs-0002Lj-Md for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:04:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BveUH-000Du7-1G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:01:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BveTI-0006jC-Qt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:00:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BveTI-0006j3-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:00:00 +0100 Received: from h36.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.85] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BveTE-0002xe-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:00:00 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.240) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 411CE216000004F1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:59:28 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c47fbb$ddf43ec0$f0e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c47d73$a61f59c0$3ad1fc3e@l8p8y6> <00ae01c47ff4$be4112e0$0e0124d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:56:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.809,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,TW_TN=0.077 Subject: LF: Re: Re: HOT AIR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:44 PM

Subject: LF: Re: HOT AIR

11./08/2004 2157z

Hello Mal,

My poor experiment with a kite is not very conclusive in RX mode...

The kite was 4.2 meter large ( delta design) in carbon fiber and spi snail.

The wire was 2 mm aluminium. At 110 meter AGL it is impossible to tune

the variometer correcctly during a long period ( capacity move too much).

But it's works fine if you want receive broadcast transmitter ( like France-inter

on 162 KHz with 2.2 MW or BBC...!) I never receive OM LF station with this

antenna ( intermodulations).

Never forget to put a resistor between the wire and the ground and don't use

wire with PE or PTFE, the voltage will be very high by dry wind ( many KV!).

My conclusion:funny but dangerous!

I thing that helium baloon is the same but more expensive...the wire is heavy

and a little one is too resistive and delicate.

Cheers: Jeff /

Hi Jeff

Tnx for this useful information about kites. A large balloon would be more stable if I could get enough gas.

A hot air balloon might be better but I need some design information and a large oil or bottled gas stove.

Any of these approaches seem dangerous maybe the high tower is a better idea but I was hoping to go as high as a few hundred metres, after authorisation from the local air traffic ctl centre, who would issue a NOTAM.

73 and tnx agn, its a long time since we had a LF QSO.

De Mal/G3KEV

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75923 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 17:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 17:38:48 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bvg4W-000C3n-5d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:42:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bvg4W-000C3e-2P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:42:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bvg0t-000PgX-Vq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:38:48 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvg0L-000721-V6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:38:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvg0L-00071s-KD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:38:13 +0100 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bvg0I-0003VA-4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:38:13 +0100 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Bvg0H-00069t-02; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:38:09 +0200 Received: from hw1 (E23Lr-ZrQe6chG5svrGX6fsFi6ycWv16wnPEV9XiDqht+QKTn05NQt@[80.134.249.202]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 1Bvg03-15cegq0; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:37:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:37:43 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <473308747.20040813193743@t-online.de> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: E23Lr-ZrQe6chG5svrGX6fsFi6ycWv16wnPEV9XiDqht+QKTn05NQt X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.82 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RATWR9_MESSID=0.802,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,SARE_HEAD_XID=0.2,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL=0.011 Subject: LF: DL2HRE in DFCW on 137711 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Just at the moment DL2HRE is calling on 137711 in DFCW. 20dB above the high noise Level here in JO52HO. 73 de Hartmut Wolff mailto:wolff.h@t-online.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9908 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 17:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 17:42:04 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bvg7f-000CMs-OG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:45:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bvg7f-000CMp-ME for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:45:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bvg43-000A1K-GK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:42:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvg3w-00074F-PX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:41:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvg3w-000746-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:41:56 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bvg3t-0003WU-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:41:56 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Bvg3L-0006rh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:41:19 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Bvg3K-00008B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:41:18 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:41:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Beacon sig tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear LF Group,

I hope to transmit another beacon signal tonight, with a similar format to last time – QRSS3 plus a long CW identifier repeating every 10 mins or so. QRG will be 137.7kHz +/-, and I hope to be on the air by 1900utc.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28119 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 18:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:10:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvgZY-000NKq-Cs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:14:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvgZY-000NKn-A1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:14:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BvgVV-000NAJ-9g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:10:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvgUx-0007Dk-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:09:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvgUx-0007Db-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:09:51 +0100 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net ([213.36.80.91]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvgUt-0004wB-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:09:51 +0100 Received: from jboi0045tiscali (213.36.158.135) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.036) id 411C44D90015C1AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:09:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c48160$9cf40da0$879e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> From: "F6CWN" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:09:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.36.80.91 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.fr X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon sig tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

13./08/2004 1805z

Hello Jim,

Always a terrific signal in JN09TT !

What is your locator please?

73 Jeff / F6CWN

----- Original Message -----

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:41 PM

Subject: LF: Beacon sig tonight

Dear LF Group,

I hope to transmit another beacon signal tonight, with a similar format to last time – QRSS3 plus a long CW identifier repeating every 10 mins or so. QRG will be 137.7kHz +/-, and I hope to be on the air by 1900utc.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85869 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 18:27:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:27:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvgpJ-000GNJ-ID for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:30:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvgpJ-000GNG-Fw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:30:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bvglh-0005Cu-2u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:27:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvglD-0007KZ-Pl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:26:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvglD-0007KK-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:26:39 +0100 Received: from demokritos2.cytanet.com.cy ([195.14.130.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bvgl9-000567-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:26:39 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by demokritos2.cytanet.com.cy (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94BEBCAEF for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:26:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (adsl-160-165.cytanet.com.cy [213.149.160.165]) by demokritos2.cytanet.com.cy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABBEBBE1F for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:26:27 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <411D07D0.9060206@cytanet.com.cy> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:26:24 +0300 From: Geoff User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (Windows/20040626) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c48160$9cf40da0$879e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> In-Reply-To: <000901c48160$9cf40da0$879e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of cytanet.com.cy designates 195.14.130.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,BLANK_LINES_70_80=0.867,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111 Subject: LF: Archive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_70_80 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Is a searchable archive of posts available for the rsgb_lf_group reflector? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99957 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 18:52:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:52:44 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhE4-000IYK-RB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhE4-000IYH-Oo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvhAS-0008xq-7S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:52:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvh9u-0007S4-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:52:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bvh9u-0007Rv-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:52:10 +0100 Received: from outgoing.taconic.net ([205.231.144.130] helo=c.smtp.taconic.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bvh9q-0005EO-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:52:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 21027 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2004 18:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maine) (66.243.201.94) by 0 with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:51:58 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c4815e$558c8d40$1205fea9@maine> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c47d8a$39c22480$149824d5@jboi0045tiscali> <200408101916.36444.smtp01@email.it> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:52:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 205.231.144.130 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I'm getting excellent daytime copy of Joe's QRSS30 signal today at a distance of about 1400 km. A lot of that path is over water, which does help. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35148 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 18:56:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:56:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhI6-0002F1-Pb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:00:39 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhI6-0002Ey-Mm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:00:38 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvhE3-00063Z-Cg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:27 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvhDw-0007Vl-Eo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvhDw-0007Vc-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:20 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvhDs-0005Fz-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:20 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.128.44 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:56:09 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c48167$2a0c99e0$2c807ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c48160$9cf40da0$879e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.197 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_60_70=0.1,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Beacon sig tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear Jeff, LF Group,

QTH here is near Hatfield, about 25km north of London, Loc IO91VR. So not too far away from you :-)

DL2HRE was M copy with me - the QRN level is a bit lower than last night here - I received an M report also. The beacon is now running on 137.695kHz.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:09 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Beacon sig tonight

13./08/2004 1805z

Hello Jim,

Always a terrific signal in JN09TT !

What is your locator please?

73 Jeff / F6CWN

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6537 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 18:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:57:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhIo-0002IN-Ly for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:01:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhIo-0002IK-JC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:01:22 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BvhEl-0006Ft-CP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:57:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvhEh-0007Xs-Gv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:57:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvhEh-0007Xj-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:57:07 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvhEd-0005Ge-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:57:07 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.128.44 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 18:56:57 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c48167$46998fa0$2c807ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c48160$9cf40da0$879e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> <411D07D0.9060206@cytanet.com.cy> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:56:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.200 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Archive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Geoff, Not as far as I am aware, but you could try asking if there is such a thing... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: LF: Archive > Is a searchable archive of posts available for the rsgb_lf_group reflector? > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41720 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 19:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 19:00:32 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhM3-0002dO-T8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:04:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvhM3-0002dL-QU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:04:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BvhI0-000G29-J0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:00:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvhHk-0007dE-IR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:00:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvhHk-0007d5-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:00:16 +0100 Received: from bay12-f42.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.42] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BvhHg-0005Ie-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:00:16 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:00:05 -0700 Received: from 24.116.117.26 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:00:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.26] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, hifer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:00:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2004 19:00:05.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[BED19F80:01C48167] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.4.35.42 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hotmail.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: rx system on "auto" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Ill be running the receive system on "auto" for the next ten days - I have screens up for dcf39 and the post popular US 137Khz actiivity up loaded with 4 3 or 4 ftp sessions - Hope the lightning doesnt get too close. My my the Loran lines are bright during the day today. Rx will be ts870sat and large res on 137Khz loop NE/SW http://myweb.cableone.net/flow dont forget to use your refresh or my web home page key if you get a page not available. Hifer "xdw" is still Pyramidding away +-3mW erp 13.554920/930 Mhz 1 minute period - GPS referenced. Laurence KL1X/5 Okie en26aq _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70707 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2004 20:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 20:26:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvihK-0009Rk-4C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:30:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BvihK-0009Rh-1I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:30:46 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BvidG-0002WA-2I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:26:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BvicC-0007wP-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:25:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BvicC-0007wG-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:25:28 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bvic7-0005jh-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:25:28 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.115]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040813202527.ZQRK9678.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:25:27 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c48174$0981afa0$73540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c48160$9cf40da0$879e24d5@jboi0045tiscali> <002a01c48167$2a0c99e0$2c807ad5@jgtdiynm> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:28:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.46 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.183,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED=0.1,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Beacon sig tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Are you still txing? Can't 'ear nuffink in Brighton.

Bryan

----- Original Message -----

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:55 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: Beacon sig tonight

Dear Jeff, LF Group,

QTH here is near Hatfield, about 25km north of London, Loc IO91VR. So not too far away from you :-)

DL2HRE was M copy with me - the QRN level is a bit lower than last night here - I received an M report also. The beacon is now running on 137.695kHz.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----

From: F6CWN

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:09 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Beacon sig tonight

13./08/2004 1805z

Hello Jim,

Always a terrific signal in JN09TT !

What is your locator please?

73 Jeff / F6CWN

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From: captbrian

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Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:28 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Beacon sig tonight

Are you still txing? Can't 'ear nuffink in Brighton.

Bryan

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