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Also test http://iq.73.ru/capt.jpg
Central frequency 137700 now.

Today in ARRL contest test my new RX-antenna for 160m Band.
Steck from 4 Beverage 290m long and 90 m between antennas.

-- 
Best regards,
Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/6/04 12:23:31 AM GMT Standard Time, Alan.Melia@btinternet.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi Dave good copy here this evening at about 2115 and again around 2200 from<BR>
G0MIN. Nice to hear the call on the band again. Unfortunately I did not hear<BR>
you working anything. Maybe the band has to wake up to the idea of activity<BR>
on a friday night again. The noise here was appalling but of course you were<BR>
well above it (In fact beating with the "burblies" to gibe to 200Hz<BR>
sidebands !! probably sound-card overload.)<BR>
<BR>
Cheers de Alan G3NYK<BR>
alan.melia@btinternet.com<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Hello Alan.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for the report. As my DDS is still in Scotland with GM4PLM&nbsp; we were using the TX from the Rad Com article with it's VXO. <BR>
<BR>
Actually we had quite a good night at the radio club. Put out one CQ and received a reply from Werner ON6ND. Good signal from him at 589. My first QSO in ages!<BR>
<BR>
By 2200 we had found ourselves on Dave's 'grabber' and seen YU7AR up at the top of the band along with a G4 and an SM.&nbsp;&nbsp; Antenna current on the club antenna reached a maximum of 2.5 amps which was quite good for the little 28V 10A PSU. I guess the earth wires haven't all corroded away after all.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks again<BR>
<BR>
73<BR>
<BR>
David&nbsp;&nbsp; G0MRF<BR>
<BR>
I must remember to bring the QRS interface next time as it would have been nice to switch modes.....Oh well. <BR>
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Hello rn6bn,

Friday, March 05, 2004, 10:00:59 PM, you wrote:



r> Today in ARRL contest test my new RX-antenna for 160m Band.
r> Steck from 4 Beverage 290m long and 90 m between antennas.


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-- 
Best regards,
              UA6LV                      mailto:ua6lv@dx.ru




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The following from Geri...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <holger.kinzel@qru.de>
To: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
Sent: 07 March 2004 18:00
Subject: Fw: New (non-ham) LF transmitter in HA


> Hello Alan,
>
> I just had your e-mail address on hand, so I am sending this to you, maybe
> you can help me, I just tried to send the message below with the picture
to
> the rsgb reflector, but it did not arrive for some reason.
>
> Was there anything changed with the reflector so that I can only send
> e-mails to it when my e-mail address is the one that I used when I checked
> in with the reflector?
>
> If so, I have no way to send mails to the reflector here from my home at
the
> moment. Maybe you could sned it on my behalf?
>
> Thank you very much, vy 73
>
> Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <holger.kinzel@qru.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:28 AM
> Subject: New (non-ham) LF transmitter in HA
>
>
> > Hello LF-Folks,
> >
> > I got the information, that Hungary plans to set up a remote control
> > transmitter similar to DCF39 on 135.6 kHz by end of this year. It is
> planned
> > to make use of an old 314 m hight antenna tower near udapest with the
> > nickname "the cigar" (see attachment).
> >
> > The planned protocol is similar to the DCF39 transmissions. It is not
yet
> > clear if the frequency 135.6 kHz is the mark, the space or the center of
> the
> > transmissions. I hope that we will not suffer from the planned 100 kW
> > transmissions but benefit from them in the same way as we do by using
> DCF39
> > as a beacon and propagation indicator.
> >
> > Best 73
> >
> > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Dear LF-enthusiasts!

#2 (1100z, 8 Mar, 2004)

The prospective time-table of DXpedition on days and on hours
(time in UTC and our call UA0LE and for slow QRSS UATLE)
At nr Vladivostok (QTH-loc PN63CI - local time +10h GMT):
March, 16 Sunset(SS) 0914z, Sunrise(SR) 2125z
March, 27 SS 0927z and SR 2106z

MAR 16
1530-2130
RX somebody from Europe in QRSS60 on 137.705...708
After that test we shall know levels of signals from DCF39 / Eu and local
QRM / Loran's noise lines and our RX-setup's opportunities in PN63CI

MAR 17
0900 - 1830 beacon QRSS60 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1830 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)

MAR 18
0900 - 1830 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1830 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)

MAR 19
0000 - 1830 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
In the beginning of each hour we shall TX at CW "CQ UA0LE QSX 35??"
for 2-way xband QSO 136/35?? (period 15 minutes) with UA0, JA, HL
1830 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 20
0000 - 0900 beacon QRSS120 137.7895 ("UATLE")
0900 - 1830 attemp 2-way QSO with ZM2E (137.7895)
1830 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 21
0000 - 1530 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
In the beginning of each hour we shall TX at CW "CQ UA0LE QSX 35??"
for 2-way xband QSO 136/35?? (period 15 minutes) with UA0, JA, HL
1530 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 22
0000 - 1530 beacon QRSS120 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1530 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 23
0000 - 1530 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1530 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 24
0000 - 1530 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1530 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 25
0000 - 1530 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1530 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 26
0000 - 0930 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
0930 - 1830 attemp 2-way QSO with ZM2E (reserve)
1830 - 2130  QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
or
0000 - 1530 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
In the beginning of each hour we shall TX at CW "CQ UA0LE QSX 35??"
for 2-way xband QSO 136/35?? (period 15 minutes) with UA0, JA, HL
1530 - 2130  QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
2130 - 0000 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")

MAR 27
0000 - 0930 beacon QRSS30 137.7895 ("UATLE")
0930 - 1830 attemp 2-way QSO with ZM2E (reserve)
1830 - 2130 QRSS60/30 or 10 137.7895 (RX 137.705...708/711/725)
OFF

Reserve TX freq - 137.7775

I will have access to my e-box ed@dx.ru and http://136.73.ru from
PN63CI via Dial-Up Internet

Some updatings is possible - I shall inform in addition or our
DXpedition's pilot operator:
Mike Filipov - UA0MF/K0AMF ex:UW0MF(1969-93)
ua0mf@mail.ru or ua0mf@mail.primorye.ru
Tel/Fax:+7(4232)284064

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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Excuse me.
This is a private correspondence with UA6LV in russian language in coding KOI-8
I mistaken address.
Once again excuse me.

>> U> ?? ??? ???????? ??????? - ??? ???????? ?? ??? ?
>> U> ???? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????

Gac> Hi Sam.
Gac> No message readable here
Gac> 73
Gac> David



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Best regards,
Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru



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Hi all,

Another night of LF experimentation has been arranged at the Quartz Hill
club station for Saturday 20th March.  The focus of activity will be an
attempt at a two-way QSO with the planned DXpedition station UA0LE (UATLE)
near Vladivostok, thanks to Ed RU6LA and his team.

We have near-finalised arrangements for the administration to allocate
Quartz Hill a special call sign for LF operation in the 136 kHz band, so we
are hopeful that ZM2E will be able to be used for the attempted QSO on
Saturday 20th March.  ZM2E was selected for having minimal characters and
brevity to send a full call sign (ZL6QH happens to have all letters with
four elements, and even using DFCW/FSK coding, it has significantly more
elements than ZM2E).  Our first request was for ZM0E, and using the same
approach as Ed, the zero could be sent as a T, however the administration
declined to allocate us a call sign with a zero number, and in any case we
would not want to become known as ZM naughty :-)

As ZL sunset is some 3 hours ahead of Vladivostok sunset, we can provide a
beacon transmission for reception in The Americas (and hopefuls anywhere
else) in the time before we change to QSO mode.  So the intention is to
beacon with distinctive coding QQQQQ .... with 120 second dot length, DFCW
0.4 Hz FSK, using 137.7890/137.7886 kHz, from before ZL sunset till 0930
UTC.  At 0930 UTC we will change to 60 second dot length and QSO mode, using
the same frequencies with 0.4 Hz shift, and use ZM2E as the call sign for
the QSO attempt.  We understand that UATLE will use 137.7895 kHz QRSS60 for
any reply, so an Argo screen set for 137.7890 kHz mid screen, with 60 second
dot length, could capture both sides of the attempted QSO.

We are fortunate that the 11,311 km path between ZM2E and UATLE is
substantially north/south and we have nominally 9 hours of mutual dark path
to try for a QSO.  We have Saturday 26th March as a reserve night for
finishing a QSO, but if necessary we could share with an HF contest at ZL6QH
for having further tries with UATLE on 27th and 28th (assuming those at
either end can keep awake).

If there are any changes to the arrangements outlined above I will post
another bulletin.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Hi all,

A typo in the earlier posting, the distance between ZM2E and UATLE is
estimated at 10,311 km, not 11,311 km.

The path is nearly 100% over sea.

73, Bob




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03/08/04 22:40:19, "Vernall" <vernall@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

 and in any case we
>would not want to become known as ZM naughty :-)
>

Zed Em Twee ?




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Steve,

>>  and in any case we
> > would not want to become known as ZM naughty :-)

> Zed Em Twee ?

You have obviously not heard of our native bird, the tui.  So ZM2E is Zed Em
Tui :-)

73, Bob




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Oh my god, this is not a far away from me. The days on LF are over....sad.

Rich OM2TW

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:07 AM
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Subject: LF: Fw: New (non-ham) LF transmitter in HA


The following from Geri...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <holger.kinzel@qru.de>
To: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
Sent: 07 March 2004 18:00
Subject: Fw: New (non-ham) LF transmitter in HA


> Hello Alan,
>
> I just had your e-mail address on hand, so I am sending this to you, maybe
> you can help me, I just tried to send the message below with the picture
to
> the rsgb reflector, but it did not arrive for some reason.
>
> Was there anything changed with the reflector so that I can only send
> e-mails to it when my e-mail address is the one that I used when I checked
> in with the reflector?
>
> If so, I have no way to send mails to the reflector here from my home at
the
> moment. Maybe you could sned it on my behalf?
>
> Thank you very much, vy 73
>
> Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <holger.kinzel@qru.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:28 AM
> Subject: New (non-ham) LF transmitter in HA
>
>
> > Hello LF-Folks,
> >
> > I got the information, that Hungary plans to set up a remote control
> > transmitter similar to DCF39 on 135.6 kHz by end of this year. It is
> planned
> > to make use of an old 314 m hight antenna tower near udapest with the
> > nickname "the cigar" (see attachment).
> >
> > The planned protocol is similar to the DCF39 transmissions. It is not
yet
> > clear if the frequency 135.6 kHz is the mark, the space or the center of
> the
> > transmissions. I hope that we will not suffer from the planned 100 kW
> > transmissions but benefit from them in the same way as we do by using
> DCF39
> > as a beacon and propagation indicator.
> >
> > Best 73
> >
> > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Hello Group,

  I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your 
opinions about it.
Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with an
inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77 
signal.
This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.

I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius, 
no drafts,
so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an 
artifact
of the counter.
The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase 
locked to
the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.

So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock, 
then used
this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving 
a resolution
of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of 
exactly 10^9.

What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount slowly
changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of 
roughly
one hour.

I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so 
my question
is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about 
ionospheric doppler ?
If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would 
tend to exclude,
for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.

Thanks for any explanations

73  Alberto  I2PHD






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Usually these radio controlled clocks only check the time every few hours or
when they are turned on.  Normally the 1 pulse per second is just derived
from the internal oscillator and I would expectyou to see the few
parts-per-million drift of that, with a sudden correction from 'time to
time'

The fact that you were seeing a slowly changing varions plus / minus is
surprising.  

I can observe doppler shift on MSF and DCF, but this is very pronounced at
dawn and dusk  - a few parts in 10^-9 over tens of minutes, which is less
than the 80 - 120ns on 1 second you saw

Andy  G4JNT


-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto di Bene [mailto:dibene@usa.net]
Sent: 2004 March 09 11:58
To: LF Mailing List
Subject: LF: Ionospheric doppler ?


Hello Group,

  I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your 
opinions about it.
Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with an
inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77 
signal.
This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.

I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius, 
no drafts,
so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an 
artifact
of the counter.
The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase 
locked to
the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.

So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock, 
then used
this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving 
a resolution
of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of 
exactly 10^9.

What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount slowly
changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of 
roughly
one hour.

I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so 
my question
is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about 
ionospheric doppler ?
If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would 
tend to exclude,
for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.

Thanks for any explanations

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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Hi Brian ......copy in usual place.

Sorry again all....the saga continues....
Alan G3NYK



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Hi Alberto, Was this at daytime or during darkness I wonder?? My web site
carries a simple equation for path differences for a simple geometric
construction. I get  level changes in daytime here which could be
interaction between the groundwave and a one-hop skywave. I get quite
violent changes at night when there are often deep cancellations. I think
from memory the slant range path difference to give a concellation is about
3500m at 138kHz (at abt 700kms) so at 77kHz it would be about twice this.
This would equate to about 6.5usecs so a 200nsec difference is only a 5
degree phase swing......possible.....an interesting experiment. I wonder if
it would be better when you have a GPS 1pps. I have been musing the problem
of doing oblique "sounding" using sources like DCF, but have not cracked an
easy way to do it yet. As your path involves a trip over the Alps it might
even be that there is not much groundwave, and it is a multihop effect??

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com

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> Usually these radio controlled clocks only check the time every few hours
or
> when they are turned on.  Normally the 1 pulse per second is just derived
> from the internal oscillator and I would expectyou to see the few
> parts-per-million drift of that, with a sudden correction from 'time to
> time'
>
> The fact that you were seeing a slowly changing varions plus / minus is
> surprising.
>
> I can observe doppler shift on MSF and DCF, but this is very pronounced at
> dawn and dusk  - a few parts in 10^-9 over tens of minutes, which is less
> than the 80 - 120ns on 1 second you saw
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alberto di Bene [mailto:dibene@usa.net]
> Sent: 2004 March 09 11:58
> To: LF Mailing List
> Subject: LF: Ionospheric doppler ?
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
>   I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your
> opinions about it.
> Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
> to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with an
> inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
> ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77
> signal.
> This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
> hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.
>
> I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
> My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius,
> no drafts,
> so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an
> artifact
> of the counter.
> The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
> external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase
> locked to
> the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.
>
> So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock,
> then used
> this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving
> a resolution
> of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of
> exactly 10^9.
>
> What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount
slowly
> changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
> consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
> In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of
> roughly
> one hour.
>
> I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so
> my question
> is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about
> ionospheric doppler ?
> If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would
> tend to exclude,
> for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.
>
> Thanks for any explanations
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
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Hi Alberto,
What an interesting experiment !
Do we have any idea about the internal workings of the "inexpensive", Conrad
clock ?
I was wondering if it contained some logic circuits, or even a
microcontroller, to derive the 1Hz pulse from the transmitted signal, and
whether there chould be any gradual change in the output caused by the
varying delay across the logic gates in the clock.
I'm thinking of the sort of delay you get between the input and output of an
invertor when it changes state.
This delay could be supply voltage dependant, although you seem to have
ruled out temperature variations with the climatic control in your nice cozy
shack !
73
Hugh M0WYE

----- Original Message -----
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> Hello Group,
>
>   I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your
> opinions about it.
> Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
> to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with an
> inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
> ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77
> signal.
> This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
> hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.
>
> I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
> My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius,
> no drafts,
> so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an
> artifact
> of the counter.
> The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
> external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase
> locked to
> the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.
>
> So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock,
> then used
> this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving
> a resolution
> of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of
> exactly 10^9.
>
> What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount
slowly
> changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
> consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
> In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of
> roughly
> one hour.
>
> I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so
> my question
> is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about
> ionospheric doppler ?
> If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would
> tend to exclude,
> for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.
>
> Thanks for any explanations
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Alberto,

Andy is right. Radio clocks keep the receiver turned off most of
the time to save battery power. For example, my own alarm clock
("EuroChron") synchronises to DCF77 once per hour.
The "radio icon" in the LCD display starts flashing for a minute
between xx.59.00 and the full hour. If it fails to decode correctly
(parity check etc), the receiver (and flashing) stays on until valid
data is received.

BTW, my wife took the clock on a trip to Finland a few years ago
and accidentally pressed the reset button. Finland is too far away from
the DCF77 transmitter and, needless to say, there was no buttons
for manually setting the clock :-)

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Thanks all for your comments.

The clock has an analog part, the receiver, with a very small ferrite
antenna, and a large black wax blob on the PCB, with many traces
reaching it. Usually this is the low cost "packaging" of an IC, which
probably is a sort of simplified microcontroller.

But it turned out that Andy and Johan were right.  I did what I should
have done since the beginning, and what I usually do when building
an oscillator to test its stability : the "blow test".

I blowed for 20 seconds on the exposed components of the clock,
and the result was a change of more than one microsecond....
so the 1pps signal is not derived directly from each pulse of DCF-77,
but from the internal oscillator, corrected every now and then with
the received signal...

I think I can use it as a high sensitivity thermometer, to measure
fractional degree changes in the temperature of my shack  :-)

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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Alberto,

> I think I can use it as a high sensitivity thermometer, to measure
> fractional degree changes in the temperature of my shack  :-)

Or if you think that you have a fever, you can have some real fun when you
explain to your doctor how you measured your temperature!

John Andrews




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Alberto,

When I remember it right most "DCF-77 IC's" can be forced to receive mode 
(pulling a pin to ground or so).

73, Rik  ON7YD


At 16:29 9/03/2004 +0100, you wrote:
>Thanks all for your comments.
>
>The clock has an analog part, the receiver, with a very small ferrite
>antenna, and a large black wax blob on the PCB, with many traces
>reaching it. Usually this is the low cost "packaging" of an IC, which
>probably is a sort of simplified microcontroller.
>
>But it turned out that Andy and Johan were right.  I did what I should
>have done since the beginning, and what I usually do when building
>an oscillator to test its stability : the "blow test".
>
>I blowed for 20 seconds on the exposed components of the clock,
>and the result was a change of more than one microsecond....
>so the 1pps signal is not derived directly from each pulse of DCF-77,
>but from the internal oscillator, corrected every now and then with
>the received signal...
>
>I think I can use it as a high sensitivity thermometer, to measure
>fractional degree changes in the temperature of my shack  :-)
>
>73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>



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Dear Alberto:

	I think you must make the comparation, but not whith the Conrad Clock. You
musk take the pulse make from the RF signal in 77,5 KHz.

	Good luck
	Manuel Santos
	EA4BVZ

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]En nombre de Alberto di Bene
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Asunto: LF: Ionospheric doppler ?


Hello Group,

  I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your
opinions about it.
Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with an
inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77
signal.
This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.

I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius,
no drafts,
so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an
artifact
of the counter.
The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase
locked to
the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.

So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock,
then used
this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving
a resolution
of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of
exactly 10^9.

What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount slowly
changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of
roughly
one hour.

I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so
my question
is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about
ionospheric doppler ?
If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would
tend to exclude,
for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.

Thanks for any explanations

73  Alberto  I2PHD








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> Hello Group,
>
>   I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know
> your opinions about it.
> [...]

Hello Alberto and all,

I think that the accuracy will never be sufficient for this kind of
measurement. Remember about the frequency you are using for synchronization,
77500 Hz, so you'll never get much better accuracy than 1 / 77500 Hz = ca.
129 uS. Accuracy like this is only achieved by expensive receivers using the
phase component of the signal (I've read something about 50 uS). This
probably cannot be achieved with simple receivers that detect the moment of
the DCF pulse start/stop. The narrower is the bandwidth of the receiver, the
more difficult it is to tell exactly the moment the pulse actually started
and little _amplitude_ variations can influence the detector, probably much
more than phase changes. On the other hand - the wider is the bandwidth of
the receiver, the more noise it picks up and it gets more difficult not to
be disturbed by the noise itself...

I think however that phase variations could be measured by checking for
changes of phase of the signal carrier itself, at worst downconverted with a
mixer and phase-drift-free BFO. You would have to cope then with
phase-encoded data however...

Excuse me if I am wrong somewhere above.

73! Marek SQ5BPM



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> [...]
> 1 / 77500 Hz = ca. 129 uS. 

ca. 12.9 uS of course (sorry!)

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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John Andrews wrote:

>Or if you think that you have a fever, you can have some real fun when you
>explain to your doctor how you measured your temperature!
>
"Doctor, in the last couple of hours my fever went up at a rate of 10 
nanosecond per minute,
is that serious?"   :-)

Rik Strobbe wrote:

> When I remember it right most "DCF-77 IC's" can be forced to receive 
> mode (pulling a pin to ground or so). 


Now this is an interesting information. Problem is : does that pin reach 
out of the wax blob ?
Will scrutinize the PCB under a powerful lens...   TNX.

73  Alberto  I2PHD






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Marek SQ5BPM wrote:

>I think that the accuracy will never be sufficient for this kind of
>measurement.
>
Manuel Santos Greve wrote:

> I think you must make the comparation, but not whith the Conrad Clock. You
> musk take the pulse make from the RF signal in 77,5 KHz.


Marek and Manuel,

  thanks for your comments. You are both right, of course, but my main 
goal wasn't that of
using the 1pps signal to discipline an oscillator. For this I will use a 
GPS as soon as I will
have installed the antenna on my roof. I tried here in the basement, 
but, as sensitive as the
antenna + receiver may be, absolutely nothing  :-)
It was more of a "divertissement", I just wanted to check the accuracy 
of that timing.
Seeing that it varied slowly around a central point, I thought (wrongly) 
that the cause could
be attributed to the ionosphere.  Now I know better...

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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Hi Alberto ad all:

When you install the GPS I think that you´ll probably find short-term
variations in the same order, + - 100 nsec.

73 de José, EA1PX




----- Original Message -----
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> Hello Group,
>
>   I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your
> opinions about it.
> Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
> to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with an
> inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
> ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77
> signal.
> This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
> hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.
>
> I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
> My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius,
> no drafts,
> so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an
> artifact
> of the counter.
> The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
> external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase
> locked to
> the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.
>
> So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock,
> then used
> this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving
> a resolution
> of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of
> exactly 10^9.
>
> What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount
slowly
> changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
> consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
> In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of
> roughly
> one hour.
>
> I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so
> my question
> is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about
> ionospheric doppler ?
> If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would
> tend to exclude,
> for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.
>
> Thanks for any explanations
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
>
>



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After some detailed measuremetns on eight GPS receivers from different
manufacturers, I've found that the modern ones mostly exhibit around 100ns
jitter from second to second.  Older units like the Garmin GPS25 and
Motorola Oncore (old favourites among the amateur community) give a few
hundred ns.  But by averaging over longer periods, the jitter from these is
just as good as the later ones when averaged over the same period.

This pulse to pulse jitter can often be reduced to a few tens of ns on some
modules by operating in position fix mode, but you need to have a module
specifically optimised for timing purposes in order to do this;  these
usually cost somewhat more than the standard navigation version.

So far my favourite is the Jupiter T with its 10kHz output, making locking
of an oscillator straightforward, as described earlier on this reflector.  I
tried a Jupiter module directly locking a 10GHZ local oscillator,  but the
raw signal is not good enough when effectively multiplied by one million -
teh tone of a CW signal sounded much too rough. For high microwaves a long
PLL time constant with a high spec OCXO is required.  But for use up to UHF,
the simple GPS disciplined oscillator described earlier is satisfactory.

Andy  G4JNT




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 2004 March 10 10:11
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Subject: LF: Re: Ionospheric doppler ?


Hi Alberto ad all:

When you install the GPS I think that you´ll probably find short-term
variations in the same order, + - 100 nsec.

73 de José, EA1PX




----- Original Message -----
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> Hello Group,
>
>   I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your
> opinions about it.
> Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
> to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with an
> inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
> ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77
> signal.
> This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
> hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.
>
> I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
> My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius,
> no drafts,
> so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an
> artifact
> of the counter.
> The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
> external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase
> locked to
> the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.
>
> So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock,
> then used
> this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving
> a resolution
> of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of
> exactly 10^9.
>
> What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount
slowly
> changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
> consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
> In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of
> roughly
> one hour.
>
> I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so
> my question
> is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about
> ionospheric doppler ?
> If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would
> tend to exclude,
> for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.
>
> Thanks for any explanations
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>
>
>
>


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Hello Alberto, Andy and the Group:

 Tom Van Baak has an interesting site (http://www.leapsecond.com/) about
 precision timing,  and a nice paper also about it
 (http://www.leapsecond.com/ptti2003/index.htm). He says about his atomic
 clock collection :"A man with one clock knows what time it is. A man with
 two clocks is never sure. But I would add further: A man with three clocks
 is more sure than a man with two clocks. And so the clock collection
 started... "

 73 de José, EA1PX




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Talbot Andrew" <ACTALBOT@mail.dstl.gov.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:03 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Re: Ionospheric doppler ?
>
>
> After some detailed measuremetns on eight GPS receivers from different
> manufacturers, I've found that the modern ones mostly exhibit around 100ns
> jitter from second to second.  Older units like the Garmin GPS25 and
> Motorola Oncore (old favourites among the amateur community) give a few
> hundred ns.  But by averaging over longer periods, the jitter from these
is
> just as good as the later ones when averaged over the same period.
>
> This pulse to pulse jitter can often be reduced to a few tens of ns on
some
> modules by operating in position fix mode, but you need to have a module
> specifically optimised for timing purposes in order to do this;  these
> usually cost somewhat more than the standard navigation version.
>
> So far my favourite is the Jupiter T with its 10kHz output, making locking
> of an oscillator straightforward, as described earlier on this reflector.
I
> tried a Jupiter module directly locking a 10GHZ local oscillator,  but the
> raw signal is not good enough when effectively multiplied by one million -
> teh tone of a CW signal sounded much too rough. For high microwaves a long
> PLL time constant with a high spec OCXO is required.  But for use up to
UHF,
> the simple GPS disciplined oscillator described earlier is satisfactory.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: José Manuel [mailto:jpradoes@telefonica.net]
> Sent: 2004 March 10 10:11
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: Ionospheric doppler ?
>
>
> Hi Alberto ad all:
>
> When you install the GPS I think that you´ll probably find short-term
> variations in the same order, + - 100 nsec.
>
> 73 de José, EA1PX
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alberto di Bene" <dibene@usa.net>
> To: "LF Mailing List" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: LF: Ionospheric doppler ?
>
>
> > Hello Group,
> >
> >   I made yesterday an interesting experiment and would like to know your
> > opinions about it.
> > Waiting for the weather to become such to allow me to go on my roof
> > to install there a GPS antenna, in the meantime I started to play with
an
> > inexpensive radio-controlled clock, made by Conrad, bought a few years
> > ago at the Friedrichshafen Messe in Germany, which receives the DCF-77
> > signal.
> > This clock has an output meant to drive an external electro-mechanical
> > hand clock, and on this output there is, of course, an 1pps pulse.
> >
> > I have an HP-5328B Counter, with a 10811 OCXO which is always (24/7) on.
> > My shack is in the basement, with a constant temperature of 21 Celsius,
> > no drafts,
> > so any variations in the measured frequency or time is real, and not an
> > artifact
> > of the counter.
> > The 5328 has a sort of reciprocal counting feature, where you can use an
> > external signal as a gate for an internal 100 MHz oscillator, phase
> > locked to
> > the OCXO. In addition you can prescale the external signal.
> >
> > So what I did was to prescale by ten the 1pps signal from the clock,
> > then used
> > this 10 second interval to count the internal 100 MHz oscillator, giving
> > a resolution
> > of 1 ns.  If everything were perfect, I should have obtained a count of
> > exactly 10^9.
> >
> > What I measured was a value that differed from the ideal by an amount
> slowly
> > changing with time, ranging from -80 ns to + 120 ns. The count was very
> > consistent from period to period, showing no short term random jitter.
> > In one case I measured a variation of about 100 ns in a time lapse of
> > roughly
> > one hour.
> >
> > I am by no means an expert in propagations and ionospheric effects, so
> > my question
> > is : are the values I measured compatible with what is known about
> > ionospheric doppler ?
> > If not, what else could be an explanation of that slow change ? I would
> > tend to exclude,
> > for the reasons reported above, an artifact of the HP counter.
> >
> > Thanks for any explanations
> >
> > 73  Alberto  I2PHD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Today I did not see VO1NA beacon.


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Today with 18:00 tests my new modernized antenna.
Frequency TX 137700. mode QRSS3 and CW.
Please send report via CLX or direct.
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Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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 Hi Sam,

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 73

 Hartmut


> Today with 18:00 tests my new modernized antenna.
> Frequency TX 137700. mode QRSS3 and CW.
> Please send report via CLX or direct.
> --
> Best regards,
> Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru
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Hello Hartmut,

TNX for repot Hartmut.

Thursday, March 11, 2004, 9:09:39 PM, you wrote:

HW>  Hi Sam,

HW>  here is the picture

HW>  73

HW>  Hartmut



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Hi Sam,

Only just got my e-mails & did not know you were testing, I did see your
signals with "M" copy here in northwest UK (IO83qp).

I did not capture any screens, sorry.

I hope this report is usful to you.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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Subject: LF: Antenna test


Today with 18:00 tests my new modernized antenna.
Frequency TX 137700. mode QRSS3 and CW.
Please send report via CLX or direct.
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With many thanks for report:

Teo       YU7AR  CW
Hartmut          QRSS3
Ko        NL9222 QRSS3
Heinz     DM2BHG QRSS3
Gary      G4WGT  QRSS3

r> Today with 18:00 tests my new modernized antenna.
For my antenna I have 30 radials now. 50 metres each.

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Excuse me.

Hello Ko,
Strange, I can not do REPLAY on your letter. :(

TNX for nise picture.
My QTH Loc KN95LC

Friday, March 12, 2004, 9:11:42 PM, you wrote:

KV> Hi Sam
KV> Good copy once again, antenne doing a fine job for you.
KV> This time see attachement Image received around 18:02 utc
KV> What is your Grid Locator?

KV> Good Luck improving the antenna any further and cul ;-)

KV>    73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 [SWL] QRV on 40, 60, 80, 160 and 1750 Meters
KV>    [Grid: JO22KE - Lat: 52° 12' 265.0"N Long: 04° 51' 703.5"E]

KV>        ** Digital and Visual Amateur Radio Software **
KV>            http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/index.htm

KV>         ** MSN Messenger: nl9222@wanadoo.nl **
KV>              ** Phone: Holland 06 15 414 750**



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This'll make you all jealous!!!!  It's an extract from the "Memoirs of Dr. J
A Pierce" that I happened to come across recently.
He is describing the then-new US Navy VLF antenna at Cutler, Maine when it
was built in 1957.

"Watching the VLF transmitter grow at Cutler, Maine, was very interesting.
Everything about it was of unprecedented size.  The antenna consisted of two
halves, each a mile and a half or so in diameter. Metal cables extended from
a thousand-foot tower in the center somewhat fanwise to cover the spaces
between six slightly lower
towers half way to the outer edge, and then continued to come toward points
at six more towers some eight hundred feet high at the edge itself. Thus
each of the two antennae consisted of six diamond-shaped panels of cables.
All were insulated from the towers by trains of porcelain insulators about
thirty feet long.  At each supporting point at a tower, there was a
counterweight weighing, I believe I remember, 4O,OOO pounds, that permitted
the antenna to sag somewhat if it were under unusual strain from wind or ice
loading. I have mentioned above the 2,200 miles of wire buried under the
antennae (and extending into the Gulf of Maine on both sides) to provide the
earth connection.
I was especially interested in the two loading coils required to resonate
with the capacitance of the antennae at the operating frequency of 14.7 kHz.
Each of these was housed in a shielding "helix house" of aluminum in the
form of a cube about a hundred feet on a side. In the center, the coil
itself was a helix of a dozen or more turns
about twenty feet in diameter and much the same in length. These were wound
of the largest Litzendraht "wire" I ever expect to see.  Each strand
consisted of a few thousand fine wires braided around the surface of a rope
half an inch in diameter.  A large number of these strands were then formed
upon the surface of another rope about three inches in diameter.  This sort
of construction was necessary because at radio frequencies the current in a
wire is insistent on traveling only in a thin layer at the surface.  By
making each individual wire as thin as this surface layer a vast amount of
copper can be saved; but then it must follow that hundreds or (in the case
of Cutler) tens of thousands of individual wires had to be used to achieve
the low resistance that is vital in the final coil. I have been told that,
when in operation, the heat losses in these loading coils are adequate to
maintain a pleasant temperature in the shielded helix house.  On the only
occasion when I was in one of these hundred-foot cubes, the station was not
yet operating.  The date was in March and it was a sunny but windy day. I
was amazed at the way this big aluminum cube sucked the heat out of my body,
my winter clothing notwithstanding. It was certainly far less comfortable
inside than outdoors, even on a windy day.
These twin antennae at Cutler are driven by currents of 4,000 amperes or so
at about a quarter of a million volts.  The two, operated together as is
usual, have an input of two megawatts and radiate about half as much power.
This  represents a phenomenal efficiency for a radio station operating at
such a low frequency. It is achieved
only by extreme care in controlling the losses in every part of the antenna,
loading coil, and grounding system."

Goes for 137 kHz, too.  Get that "2200 miles" of earth wire!

Walter G3JKV.



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Hi Walter, I have drawings of the original Cutler aerial in Watt (I think it
was) ...I was given a CD copy by Frank Gentges at the Englefield Green HFC.
You already sent me the full text of Pierce's memoires and very interesting
they are as well. It was interesting to pass on to a Yank (who had worked
there) that the efficiency of Jim Creek and Haiku was not all it was cracked
up to be, by station "folklore".

It would have been interesting to disconnect the miles of earth wire at
Cutler to see what difference it made to the efficiency. I am convinced the
performance of that aerial is due to the disc-like top-load. This is just as
described by Meissner (used at Nauen) in the appendix to the new Handbook.
The Germans could not afford the cooper after 1919 and had to make best use
of the stakes they could afford. My guess is that the salt water is not far
down into the ground at Cutler, and I reckon those wires are just acting to
feed back the current collected at their ends to the transmiter ground
terminal. As Cutler's Goliath has been felled we shall never know. These old
VLF aerials are much more like amateur LF aerials that the long verticals in
commercial use. The latter DO need the radials to be efficient, with good
grounding under the feed point.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com

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Hi Walter and group,

Culter (NAA) is still on the air on 24 kHz.  The efficiency is
about 90 percent on that frequency.  Very impressive.

Joe VO1NA





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WD2XES was running DFCW90 last night, 0.5 Hz above VO1NA.

Brian, CT1DRP was posting captures to the web, and managed to snag XES
(faintly) around 0300 UTC. Here's his screen shot:
http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/XESNA1.jpg

This was evidently the best signal of the night for XES and VO1NA. I was
only running 75 watts to a loop antenna. The distance appears to be 5123 km.

Thank to Brian for posting the captures, and to Jay, W1VD, for giving me the
URL.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
WD2XES Status: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Sam,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks for the nice QSO at 2004-03-12 1800 UTC. 
Your signal was about S7 in the headphones and dogboned on the argo screen, see 
attachment. Your new antenna does a very good job - with that signal you should 
be seen by Ed in Vladivostok if condx don´t fail ...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After the QSO I called you in normal CW but it 
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John

Congrats... it certainly looks as if you're in there.
According to Alan, conditions are poor at the moment so
the next few weeks could prove interesting for you.
Welcome to the west to east 2200 m TA club!

Joe




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Joe,

Thanks. And thanks for offering a target! I wouldn't have had the courage to
ask anyone in EU to look for this thing right now.

John Andrews




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Is Mal around today???


Mike>WE0H
http://www.we0h.us/lf
"XGI" on 185.3026kc
QRSS 30 & -.-.  .--
WD2XGI

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Joe,

Thanks. And thanks for offering a target! I wouldn't have had the courage to
ask anyone in EU to look for this thing right now.

John Andrews






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Imagine if John was running a KW or two???

Did Mal decide to pitch the vertical and put up an Ashlock TX Loop yet? 75w
and a loop, saves on the electric bill too...

Mike>WE0H


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John

Congrats... it certainly looks as if you're in there.
According to Alan, conditions are poor at the moment so
the next few weeks could prove interesting for you.
Welcome to the west to east 2200 m TA club!

Joe






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Hi John I presume you mean 137.7775kHz ?? I have just reviewed my captures
for last night, because I run a QRSS30 screen on Joe most nights.
Unfortunately it was not a good night for me. I only copied Joe "M" around
that time, and there is nothing even a fertile imagination could suggest was
a trace from W1TAG I am afraid. Congratulations to you and Brian for first
copy USA to Europe, under less than ideal conditions (see Steve Dove's DCF39
sig strength plot)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com

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> WD2XES was running DFCW90 last night, 0.5 Hz above VO1NA.
>
> Brian, CT1DRP was posting captures to the web, and managed to snag XES
> (faintly) around 0300 UTC. Here's his screen shot:
> http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/XESNA1.jpg
>
> This was evidently the best signal of the night for XES and VO1NA. I was
> only running 75 watts to a loop antenna. The distance appears to be 5123
km.
>
> Thank to Brian for posting the captures, and to Jay, W1VD, for giving me
the
> URL.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
> WD2XES Status: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/
>
>



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Alan,

Yes, 137.7775 kHz. Thanks for looking. I think Brian has a better "pipeline"
to the eastern U.S., based on the great signals we have gotten from him.
With my signal as weak as it was there, any extra noise would have been a
problem.

I may try again tonight, hopefully with a few more dB. It really depends on
the wind going down a bit, as the transmitter was getting quite a ride from
my swinging oaks.

John Andrews




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Hello Thomas,

With many thanks for picture.
Also thank you for QSO.
I shall do soon RX antenna Beverage 1.5km.
Hope on our CW QSO.

Strange, also I can not do REPLAY on your letter. :(

Saturday, March 13, 2004, 4:48:05 PM, you wrote:

TK> Hello Sam,

TK> thanks for the nice QSO at 2004-03-12 1800 UTC. Your signal was about S7 in the headphones and
TK> dogboned on the argo screen, see attachment. Your new antenna does a very good job - with that
TK> signal you should be seen by Ed in Vladivostok if condx don¦t fail ...

TK> After the QSO I called you in normal CW but it seemed you couldn¦t hear me.

TK> Best 73, gl es cuagn

TK> Tom, DK1IS
TK> JN59WK
  

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Sam, rn6bn                          mailto:rn6bn@73.ru
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Hello ,
Change the signal for time on picture.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear John and Brian,<BR>
<BR>
 congratulations -&nbsp; good work, great picture!<BR>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "WE0H" <we0h@genesiswireless.us>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: LF: WD2XES Across the Pond?


> Is Mal around today???

Have I missed something. Who did what. I have not been on LF for a while,
not even listening/watching.
Pse give me the details.
I am active on all the other HF bands dxing for a change.
73 es gl de Mal/G3KEV

>
>
> Mike>WE0H
> http://www.we0h.us/lf
> "XGI" on 185.3026kc
> QRSS 30 & -.-.  .--
> WD2XGI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]
> On Behalf Of John Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:56 AM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Across the Pond?
>
> Joe,
>
> Thanks. And thanks for offering a target! I wouldn't have had the courage
to
> ask anyone in EU to look for this thing right now.
>
> John Andrews
>
>
>
>
>



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Hello Mal,

John will have to fill you in on the specifics of his success.


Mike>WE0H
http://www.we0h.us/lf
"XGI" on 185.3026kc
QRSS 30 & -.-.  .--
WD2XGI

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Hamilton mal
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----- Original Message -----
From: "WE0H" <we0h@genesiswireless.us>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: LF: WD2XES Across the Pond?


> Is Mal around today???

Have I missed something. Who did what. I have not been on LF for a while,
not even listening/watching.
Pse give me the details.
I am active on all the other HF bands dxing for a change.
73 es gl de Mal/G3KEV

>
>
> Mike>WE0H
> http://www.we0h.us/lf
> "XGI" on 185.3026kc
> QRSS 30 & -.-.  .--
> WD2XGI
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]
> On Behalf Of John Andrews
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:56 AM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Across the Pond?
>
> Joe,
>
> Thanks. And thanks for offering a target! I wouldn't have had the courage
to
> ask anyone in EU to look for this thing right now.
>
> John Andrews
>
>
>
>
>





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Trying to get attachment to go through.


WE0H
-----Original Message-----
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----- Original Message -----
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> Is Mal around today???

Have I missed something. Who did what. I have not been on LF for a while,
not even listening/watching.
Pse give me the details.
I am active on all the other HF bands dxing for a change.
73 es gl de Mal/G3KEV








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-----Original Message-----
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----- Original Message -----
From: "WE0H" <we0h@genesiswireless.us>
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Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: LF: WD2XES Across the Pond?


> Is Mal around today???

Have I missed something. Who did what. I have not been on LF for a while,
not even listening/watching.
Pse give me the details.
I am active on all the other HF bands dxing for a change.
73 es gl de Mal/G3KEV






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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in 
the BERU contest. He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have 
moved HF. I have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This 
is where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just like 
the old days.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 
136khz so that I can chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite 
dxing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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<font size=3><b>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
After several days with hardly a trace of VO1NA&nbsp; last night I got at
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>Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
>He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
>have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
>where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
>like the old days.
>I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
>chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.

Oh dear.

136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about 
experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the 
band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I 
am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who 
run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and 
your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for 
you.

Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training 
which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is 
one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.

>73 de Mal/G3KEV

Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD


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Amen.

Mike>WE0H


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>Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
>He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
>have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
>where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
>like the old days.
>I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
>chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.

Oh dear.

136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about
experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the
band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I
am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who
run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and
your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for
you.

Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training
which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is
one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.

>73 de Mal/G3KEV

Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD




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Hear Hear
Andy G4JNT


-----Original Message-----
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Sent:	2004/03/14 22:24
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Subject:	Re: LF: VE3ZJ

>Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
>He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
>have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
>where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
>like the old days.
>I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
>chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.

Oh dear.

136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about 
experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the 
band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I 
am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who 
run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and 
your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for 
you.

Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training 
which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is 
one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.

>73 de Mal/G3KEV

Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD


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In message <01C40A72.4A6C0840.actalbot@southsurf.com>, Andy 
<actalbot@southsurf.com> writes
>Hear Hear
>Andy G4JNT
Hear Hear Hear
Mike G3IJE
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  Jonathan Naylor [SMTP:jonathan@mechserv.demon.co.uk]
>Sent:  2004/03/14 22:24
>To:    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject:       Re: LF: VE3ZJ
>
>>Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
>>He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
>>have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
>>where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
>>like the old days.
>>I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
>>chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.
>
>Oh dear.
>
>136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about
>experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the
>band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I
>am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who
>run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and
>your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for
>you.
>
>Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training
>which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is
>one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.
>
>>73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD
>

-- 
M.J.Powell



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Hi All, things are beginning to look up a bit I think. The Kp index is still
hovering in the 4s but the NOAA site predicts quiet conditions. The Dst has
reached -38 but should rise towards zero by the end of the week (I hope).
Steve Dove's site W3EEE shows poor signal levels received from DCF39 last
night, but there are promising peaks early and also late in the night. So
far this augers well for darkness-path conditions at the weekend when Ed's
expedition travels to Vladivostok. Signals received here from Joe VO1NA last
night were of good strength (QRSS20) throughout the night (all at "O") even
overcoming the remains of my local noise just after midnight.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com
Full report at
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Jonathan Naylor schrieb:
>
> Oh dear.
>
> 136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about 
> experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the 
> band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I 
> am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who 
> run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and 
> your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for 
> you.
>
> Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training 
> which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is 
> one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.
>
> Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD
>

I take the above words giving reasons for disfiguring the yard with poles.

Uwe/dj8wx





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From: "G4WGT - Gary" <g4wgt@talkgas.net>
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Hi All at LF,

Still making improvements to the antenna system here, just installed 4
additional earth rods & this showed about 10% increase in antenna current
(can't give you an accurate current measurement at the moment as I do not
have a calibrated meter, I'm working on that as well). I have been
monitoring my own signals on Dave's (G3YXM) grabber & last night was showing
"dog boning" on my QRS3 tests, thats the strongest I've seen it. G0MRF
transmitter running at 322 watts DC input.

The biggest let down in my station is the Yaesu FT747GX which although is a
good reciever at LF the thing drifts a lot with room temperature
fluctuations even though I fitted a TCXO unit recently & although it did
make a considerable improvement to stability, on long dot lengths the signal
can almost drift off the Argo display.

I think I have finished all the DIY jobs my wife lined up for me so I hope
to get serious on 136 soon.

73

Gary - G4WGT





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Jonathan,

My feelings exactly !

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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>Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
>He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
>have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
>where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
>like the old days.
>I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
>chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.

Oh dear.

136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about 
experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the 
band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I 
am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who 
run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and 
your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for 
you.

Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training 
which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is 
one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.

>73 de Mal/G3KEV

Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD



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Hi all still reading the lf group mail.  Congrats to John Andrews.  I
also wanted to correct my call which has appeared in many Emails.  It is
VE1ZJ  not VE3ZJ

73 all de John VE1ZJ



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Electro-magnetic radiating and detection is all good fun and it's called
Physics.

Applying this  Physics to communicating the exchange of technical info. is
all good fun and it's called amateur radio (or was).

This LF group is not really amateur radio, it does not even communicate by
radio ,  it communicates by other peoples commercial gear  on the internet
using ready built computers and is essentially a Physics club.  I am
attracted to the experimental aspects  of 136 because it is like the old
days when if you wanted a transmitter you turned to and built one but I wish
there were still some true radio amateurs left  who wanted to
__communicate__ with what they build. I'm not a contester either but....

Live and let live gents.

Bryan G3GVB / AC4UA../VS2FD once upon a time




----- Original Message -----
From: G4WGT - Gary <g4wgt@talkgas.net>
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> Jonathan,
>
> My feelings exactly !
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jonathan Naylor
> Sent: 14 March 2004 22:24
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: VE3ZJ
>
>
> >Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
> >He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
> >have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
> >where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
> >like the old days.
> >I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
> >chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.
>
> Oh dear.
>
> 136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about
> experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the
> band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I
> am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who
> run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and
> your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for
> you.
>
> Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training
> which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is
> one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.
>
> >73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
> Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD
>
>
>



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<b>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
Last night I had again good copy of VO1NA, first around 0100 UTC and then
again starting about 0400 UTC till well into daylight.<br><br>
I intend to do beaconing coming evening/night at 135922Hz, using
QRSS20.&nbsp; I will start around 2200 UTC and stop at 0730 UTC when I
leave for my rowing club.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE</b></body>
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Brian, posted in usual place....they are a very inconsistent lot !!


Sorry all
Cheers de Alan



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Hello folks,

I am trying to access the reflector from various e-mail addresses,
hopefully it works now with my old Compuserve account.

Same as PA0SE I had a full 'O' copy from Joe, VO1NA last night with a
beatiful signal that was around 20 db above the ARGO noise floor. The dots
and dashes were that strong and bright on the screen that I thought that
the signal must be audible, so I tried to listen, but in vain of course.
However, I believe that around 4 UTC the signal was that strong that even a
QRSS3 signal would have been sufficient to copy Joe.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)


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----- Original Message -----
From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
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> Jonathan Naylor schrieb:
> >
> > Oh dear.
> >
> > 136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about
> > experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the
> > band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I
> > am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who
> > run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and
> > your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for
> > you.
> >
> > Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training
> > which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is
> > one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.

What experimentation ? It has all been done before. I have a good
installation suitable for working any station that appears on the band. If
you are still struggling and fumbling on the band do not object to others
that want to progress further, encouraging others to the band. I want 100 or
more stations active on 136 khz so that I can get the DXCC score up. You
obviously have not heard of G3KEV before and the number of countries worked
especially on normal CW. I cannot say I have heard you on the LF bands, keep
soldering.
There is a decline on 136 khz activity this past couple of years just the
opposite to what you are saying,  it does not seem to be encouraging any new
amateurs, in fact the opposite. When CW is mentioned as the main mode on the
band most enquiring amateurs turn in the opposite direction.


de G3KEV/9V1OY/VS6HI and dozens more if you need them


> >
> > Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD
> >
>
> I take the above words giving reasons for disfiguring the yard with poles.
>
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
>
>
>




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----- Original Message -----
From: "WE0H" <we0h@genesiswireless.us>
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> Amen.
>
> Mike>WE0H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]
> On Behalf Of Jonathan Naylor
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:24 PM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: VE3ZJ
>
> >Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
> >He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
> >have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
> >where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
> >like the old days.
> >I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
> >chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.
>
> Oh dear.
>
> 136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about
> experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the
> band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I
> am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who
> run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and
> your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for
> you.
>
> Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training
> which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is
> one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.
>
> >73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
> Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD
>
> Your research is lacking because I am probably one of the few that has
built all my own LF equipment and antenna system. I also work NORMAL CW 99%
of the time and have worked more countries than anyone else on this mode.
This is true experimentation and not APPLIANCE operationg like some who only
QSO via internet or use the BEACON mode computer generated. You do not need
be in the shack for this type of operation!!!!!!!!!!
So what is wrong with chasing DX having built everything to achieve the
object. You ought to be congratulating me instead of ridicule.
Maybe you should think next time before engaging fingers and understand the
difference between experimental LF radio operating and LF appliance
operating.

de G3KEV

>
>



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heelo Ed,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope you had a good trip to Vladivostok. I´m 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Ed, LF Group,</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Uwe, I got that one as well. In fact, I think there were two "squeeks"
.....very strong ...they were caught on the end of the capture screens for
Joe VO1NA.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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My signal in UA0L, from RU6LA/0
http://iq.73.ru/16mar00000.jpg
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-- 
Best regards,
Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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Hello all,

Well, I'm still there in the list and just want to inform you about the
status of my 136kHz station project.

Things are going very slowly.
I have been busy dismanteling quite a large number of old computer monitors
which delivered me some nice usefull parts for the 136kHz project.
(like high voltage, low loss capacitors........)

Next step is to clean up the mess in the shack, produced by the dismanteling
project.
Each monitor was alomst completly stripped, only the plastic case and the
main tube
where left.................
So to say , upon the last wire was removed............
Now I have sorted out most components, but my soldering place is still
occupied
by a lot of things............

The first transmitter to go for is a normal CW thing, as I expected it to be
not stable
enough for all that digital mode stuff.
My experimental power supply can deliver 50V/6A so, for the moment the
theorectical
input power will be 300Watt.
Future plans: running a 50V/20Amp power supply...........

However, no antenna, no large coil and even no transmitter ready yet........
I am afraid it will take at least another half year, so I do not expect to
be QRV before
the end of this year.....
But, at that time, there might be at least a new one on the band!
With a wrong call: pa4 VHF ...... sri, used to be very active on VHF when I
choose this suffix..........

I hope there will be stations left over to work on normal CW then...........

I'll keep you informed about my developments.

73!

Dick, PA4VHF (JO32eh)

Not (yet) QRV
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:21 PM
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> Hi Uwe, I got that one as well. In fact, I think there were two "squeeks"
> .....very strong ...they were caught on the end of the capture screens for
> Joe VO1NA.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 16 March 2004 18:52
> Subject: LF: mystery
>
>
>
>


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Mal,

Go to the FCC.gov site and look up my experimental license and you shall see
that I specified CW & SSB on my license. Some guys like beacons and some
like CW and other modes of two-way communication. I like both.
73's,
Mike>WE0H
WD2XGI

-----Original Message-----
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----- Original Message -----
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> Amen.
>
> Mike>WE0H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]
> On Behalf Of Jonathan Naylor
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:24 PM
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> Subject: Re: LF: VE3ZJ
>
> >Worked VE3ZJ last nite but this time on 7 mhz CW in the BERU contest.
> >He was a big signal. It looks like most of the LF ops have moved HF. I
> >have worked quite a number of ex LF ops this past year on HF. This is
> >where I spend most of my time these days and having a lot of fun just
> >like the old days.
> >I am waiting for a 100 countries to start up on 136khz so that I can
> >chase DXCC on LF, until then its HF and satellite dxing.
>
> Oh dear.
>
> 136kHz, like 73kHz and the microwave bands is primarily about
> experimentation. This is the spirit of the band, if someone comes on the
> band looking for another single band DXCC certificate or whatever then I
> am saddened, this is not what its about. LF belongs to experimenters who
> run tests and make a note of conditions and try to learn. If you and
> your friends feel that this is boring then perhaps its not the band for
> you.
>
> Amateur radio is (or should be) about experimentation and self-training
> which seldom comes out of DXCC certificates and rag-chewing. 136kHz is
> one of the few bands that encourages amateur radio as it should be.
>
> >73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
> Jonathan  G4KLX/HB9DRD
>
> Your research is lacking because I am probably one of the few that has
built all my own LF equipment and antenna system. I also work NORMAL CW 99%
of the time and have worked more countries than anyone else on this mode.
This is true experimentation and not APPLIANCE operationg like some who only
QSO via internet or use the BEACON mode computer generated. You do not need
be in the shack for this type of operation!!!!!!!!!!
So what is wrong with chasing DX having built everything to achieve the
object. You ought to be congratulating me instead of ridicule.
Maybe you should think next time before engaging fingers and understand the
difference between experimental LF radio operating and LF appliance
operating.

de G3KEV

>
>





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New planet just been disturbed...?could be a complaint..;-)


----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Uwe, I got that one as well. In fact, I think there were two "squeeks"
> .....very strong ...they were caught on the end of the capture screens for
> Joe VO1NA.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 16 March 2004 18:52
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>
>
>
>
>
>



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Hello Sam,

do you know how to read the date/time stamps and the frequency scale?

73s
Tom, DK1IS

rn6bn schrieb:

>My signal in UA0L, from RU6LA/0
>http://iq.73.ru/16mar00000.jpg
>http://iq.73.ru/16mar00001.jpg
>http://iq.73.ru/16mar00002.jpg
>http://iq.73.ru/16mar00003.jpg
>http://iq.73.ru/16mar00004.jpg
>http://iq.73.ru/16mar00007.jpg
>
>  
>



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----- Original Message -----
From: G4WGT - Gary <g4wgt@talkgas.net>
To: Rsgb_Lf_Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: LF: 136 Antenna


>
> Hi All at LF,
>
> Still making improvements to the antenna system here, just installed 4
> additional earth rods & this showed about 10% increase in antenna current
> (can't give you an accurate current measurement at the moment as I do not
> have a calibrated meter, I'm working on that as well). I have been
> monitoring my own signals on Dave's (G3YXM) grabber & last night was
showing
> "dog boning" on my QRS3 tests, thats the strongest I've seen it. G0MRF
> transmitter running at 322 watts DC input.
>
> The biggest let down in my station is the Yaesu FT747GX which although is
a
> good reciever at LF the thing drifts a lot with room temperature
> fluctuations even though I fitted a TCXO unit recently & although it did
> make a considerable improvement to stability, on long dot lengths the
signal
> can almost drift off the Argo display.
>
> I think I have finished all the DIY jobs my wife lined up for me so I hope
> to get serious on 136 soon.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
Hi Gary,
Like you I am conducting tests and modifications to my 136kHz antenna.
Could you please tell me how to make use of the G3YXM grabber?  I call
frequently on 136 but get no replies. I wonder if you would be interested in
attempting to make a qso with me with a view to getting reports from one
another.

Reports from any of the lf group would also be appreciated. Thank you and
regards from John, G3JRL Weymouth.



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TK> do you know how to read the date/time stamps and the frequency scale?
TK> Tom, DK1IS

I do not know. :( This pictures from Ed.
My TX freq 137706. He was calibrated on me.

TK> rn6bn schrieb:

>>My signal in UA0L, from RU6LA/0
>>http://iq.73.ru/16mar00000.jpg
.......

-- 

RN6BN, Sam                          mailto:73@73.ru



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Dear LF Group,

I'm glad to see that Ed was able to get good copy of RN6BN - this seems
to be an excellent start to the expedition. I transmitted a QRSS60
beacon signal from 1900z to some time after 2200z on 137.7055kHz - But I
can't see any convincing signal at that frequency on Ed's screen shots.
Visible at my QTH, there were at least 2 other stations transmitting
apart from DK1IS - RN6BN was "O" copy, as was the third, who I wasn't
able to identify due to only seeing the signal in the gaps of my
transmission. There seems to be a faint spectral line visible close to
my frequency, so I might choose a slightly different frequency next
time!

DK1IS wrote:
>do you know how to read the date/time stamps and the frequency scale?

I think the time on the screen shots must be local UA0 time, which on my
map seems to be about 9 hours ahead of utc. I guess it must have been
around dawn when Ed closed down. I have left my RX set to UA0LE's
nominated frequency - hopefully there will be something to see when I
get home from work.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Dear John, Gary,

If you would like a 136kHz sked, I can usually be QRV during the
evenings

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Please post any straight CW skeds in advance on this list so we can all
monitor/  maybe call in.
Bryan
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> Dear John, Gary,
>
> If you would like a 136kHz sked, I can usually be QRV during the
> evenings
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How about an experiment, cut out the LF reflector 
and email QSO'S for 6 months and see what happens on 136 khz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Revert back to amateur radio like it used to be. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With out computer aided QSO'S and the DX cluster 
these days amateur radio for most would grind to a halt.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Room for thought </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:33:26 -0000, hamilton mal wrote:

How about an experiment, cut out the LF reflector and email QSO'S for 6 months and see 
what happens on 136 khz.
Revert back to amateur radio like it used to be.
With out computer aided QSO'S and the DX cluster these days amateur radio for most would 
grind to a halt.
Room for thought
de Mal/G3KEV

Great idea, no PC no more Nagging
NL9222 



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Hi all,

The news from ZL this morning is that myself, Andrew ZL2BBJ and Mike ZL4OL
each got good copy of the UATLE beacon between about 1430 UTC and sunrise
(1830 UTC).  Myself and ZL2BBJ received in suburban Wellington (nominal path
length 10300 km), ZL4OL is in a rural district north of Dunedin (nominal
path length 10750 km).

As already advised, Andrew and myself are setting up at the Quartz Hill club
station on Saturday to try for a two-way contact with UA0LE.  We now have
ZM2E as a special call sign for 136 kHz.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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QRSS60 http://iq.73.ru/uatle60.jpg
QRSS10 http://iq.73.ru/uatle10.jpg
QRSS3  http://iq.73.ru/uatle3.jpg

-- 
Best regards,
Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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Hi John & LF,

Nice to hear from another experimenter, HI.

I have been making gradual improvements to the station & antenna over that
past year or so.
To make use of the few web sites with grabbers running is of course to first
know the web page address & also know that the grabber is running, then
whilst transmitting a test signal you can go on the internet & look at the
page with the grabber running, the main one I use is the one provided by
Dick (G3YXM) which is usually running at weekend showing screen shots from
Argo using 3 second dot length updated at 15 minute intervals, Dick will
also run the grabber at other times by e-mail request possibly using the LF
Group as an e-mail medium.

These screen grabs are at http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/

There is another site in Portugal run by Brian (CT1DRP) but I can never get
onto the site (other users do because they produce the screen shots from
there on here).

That address is
http://<http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/ArgoGrab/Argo_grab.htm

I have also looked for my signals at a site set up by Sam (RN6BN) but I
think I am being a bit optimistic there.

The site is at http://iq.73.ru/capt.jpg

I feel that I should put my hand on the key & have some QSO's using normal
CW but it has been so long since I used CW (about 18 years) that my
confidence has gone & I need to build that up again, the digital QSO (QRS3
etc) would not be a problem. I have noticed & it does seem (as some of the
136 users have conveyed to me) that no one appears to send CW fast anyway
but I am still finding it difficult to make a normal CW call.

Keep in touch.

73

Gary - G4WGT




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Hi Gary,
Like you I am conducting tests and modifications to my 136kHz antenna.
Could you please tell me how to make use of the G3YXM grabber?  I call
frequently on 136 but get no replies. I wonder if you would be interested in
attempting to make a qso with me with a view to getting reports from one
another.

Reports from any of the lf group would also be appreciated. Thank you and
regards from John, G3JRL Weymouth.




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Hi Jim,

What mode are you thinking of using.

By the way, I have not completed the antenna tuning meter project yet.

73

Gary - G4WGT

-----Original Message-----
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Dear John, Gary,

If you would like a 136kHz sked, I can usually be QRV during the
evenings

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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 Hi Bob
       Well done to all to receiving UTALE Beacon thats great news,and good luck for Saturday to try and make the two way.
Been and visited Nat ZL3VN while here was good to catch up with him and had a look at his TV sync tunning set up for low freq.
Ok catch you later 
73's
Dave
> 
> From: "Vernall" <vernall@xtra.co.nz>
> Date: 2004/03/18 Thu AM 09:10:15 GMT+13:00
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Subject: LF: UATLE received in ZL
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> The news from ZL this morning is that myself, Andrew ZL2BBJ and Mike ZL4OL
> each got good copy of the UATLE beacon between about 1430 UTC and sunrise
> (1830 UTC).  Myself and ZL2BBJ received in suburban Wellington (nominal path
> length 10300 km), ZL4OL is in a rural district north of Dunedin (nominal
> path length 10750 km).
> 
> As already advised, Andrew and myself are setting up at the Quartz Hill club
> station on Saturday to try for a two-way contact with UA0LE.  We now have
> ZM2E as a special call sign for 136 kHz.
> 
> 73, Bob ZL2CA
> 
> 
> 
> 



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Finally something interesting on the LF reflector 
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mal ! sometimes I dont like you,but now I do 
!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It all started so nice , and then there was QRSS 
.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even my slow normal CW is faster than QRSS 
and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You hear a friend&nbsp;instiad of a 
computer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I wrkd over 200 differend stations two years ago , 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and only a fw are left , so I&nbsp;like to hear 
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>this om's agn.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>with the nice expressions on the key.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>best 73 on6nd Werner</FONT></DIV>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle15><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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Mal. There certainly isn&#8217;t anything wrong with chewing the rag on the band just
like most do on 75 meters every night.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <a
href="mailto:%5Bmailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org%5D">[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>hamilton
mal<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 17, 2004
12:33 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: Experiment</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>How
about an experiment, cut out the LF reflector and email QSO'S for 6 months and
see what happens on 136 khz.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Revert
back to amateur radio like it used to be. </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>With
out computer aided QSO'S and the DX cluster these days amateur radio for most
would grind to a halt.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Room
for thought </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>de
Mal/G3KEV</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Dear LF-enthusiasts!

#3 (0630z, 18 Mar, 2004 - first msg from UA0L)

DXpedition's team now:
Vlad UA0LE, Vic UA9OC, Andy RA0LGH, Ed RU6LA

MAR 16
Abt 2z we arrive in PN63CI. Temperature +7 C
We have made RX ANT to Europe (BOG abt 2km long) and vertical part
of Big Vertical (abt 80m high point).
Propagation very stable during all night.
RX only RN6BN in QRSS60/30/10s mode O to M (sending files via FTP on
Sam's FTP-server) and some unknow lines in T on 705.8 and 706.3.
But we have the large QRM from Rus LF broadcasting (243KHz and abt 500KW)
and Loran's QRM from ????
QRM-lines: 137.70515, 137.7055

We have the very bad local Internet - very slow and astable.
Basically  we  have  an  opportunity to use DX-cluster via compact and
quik TELNET.
The night has gone snow and temperature was lowered up to -12 degrees C
Strong wind

MAR 17
We have made ground system for TX aerial - with 100w output from PA
the current in ANT is abt 1.8-2A.
After abt 14z we begin to give a beacon for ZLs.
Sam RN6BN begins us to recept one hour prior to him Sunset in QRSS60.
After our beacon on RX we look O FB RU6LWZ in QRSS60 and we begin with
them QSO. But after 19z propagation is down to M/T
Complete on a QSO format we have no time to be finished QSO(we do not
receive the full report and SK(EE) from RU6LWZ) - Sunrise in 2125z

I have no good access to the Internet - therefore mine temporary
e-mail now:  ru6la_0@mail.ru

Complete QSO Format for very slow QRSS:
1   UATLE E         (UA0LE tx abt 137.7895) Full callsign
2   RU6LWZ E        (RU6LWZ tx) Full callsign
3   RU6LWZ O E      (UA0LE tx) O report to RU6LWZ
4   LE RO M E       (RU6LWZ tx) Confirm O and M report to UA0LE
5   LWZ RM EE       (UA0LE tx) Confirm from UA0LE and UA0LE sign off
6   LE EE           (RU6LWZ tx) RU6LWZ sign off

73! Ed RU6LA/0  ru6la_0@mail.ru


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Hello group !

Some pictures ours QSO with UA0LE :
http://iq.73.ru/17mar0400001.jpg

73!Vlad/UA6LV

Wednesday, March 17, 2004, 10:05:15 PM, you wrote:

TK> Hello group,

TK> has anyone seen UA0LE so far?

TK> 73 
TK> Tom, DK1IS
TK> JN59WK



-- 
Best regards,
              UA6LV                      mailto:ua6lv@dx.ru




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Explanation of picture:

QRSS60 http://iq.73.ru/uatle60.jpg
- UA0LE tx SCW60, ARGO moda "60s dots"

QRSS10 http://iq.73.ru/uatle10.jpg
- UA0LE tx SCW60, ARGO moda "10s dots"
  dash and dot is seen

  
QRSS3  http://iq.73.ru/uatle3.jpg
- UA0LE tx SCW60, ARGO moda "3s dots"
  dot and dash is seen only
  
-- 

rn6bn, Sam                          mailto:73@73.ru



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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G4WGT - Gary
Sent: 17 March 2004 21:33
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: Re: 136 Antenna

Hi Jim,

What mode are you thinking of using.



Dear Gary, LF Group,

I am open to suggestions - CW and QRSS are available immediately; other
modes I will need a little time to set up.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">John, Gary and all.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">The grabber doesn't run all the time but I can put it on anytime you need it.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Just e-mail me. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Please use the wireless.org.uk address (dave@ or g3yxm@ )as I intend to drop the f9 address soon, too much spam!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I have put it on now and will leave it on all day </FONT><A HREF="http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/</FONT></U></A><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> tonight it will be looking for UA&quot;T&quot;LE and VO1NA.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Skeds welcome too!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I hadn't used CW since I passed the Morse test, thirty years before, when I started on LF. Thanks to the slow speeds in use I managed to re-learn the stuff. It's a great way of practising. I still don't feel confident enough to go on the HF bands but I'm quite happy stumbling along on LF. Please don't let it put you off Gary we NEED CW QSOs on the band. I'll put some CQs out over the weekend and see what I can find...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">73.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Dave G3YXM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">&gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Hi Gary,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Like you I am conducting tests and modifications to my 136kHz antenna.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Could you please tell me how to make use of the G3YXM grabber?&nbsp; I call frequently on 136 but get no replies. I wonder if you would be interested in attempting to make a qso with me with a view to getting reports from one another.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Reports from any of the lf group would also be appreciated. Thank you and regards from John, G3JRL Weymouth.</FONT>
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I have to go abroad shortly so cannot help but would it be an idea to agree
a day and time of the week when all would try to get on using  plain CW.

G3GVB
----- Original Message -----
From: James Moritz <J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G4WGT - Gary
> Sent: 17 March 2004 21:33
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> Subject: LF: RE: RE: Re: 136 Antenna
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> What mode are you thinking of using.
>
>
>
> Dear Gary, LF Group,
>
> I am open to suggestions - CW and QRSS are available immediately; other
> modes I will need a little time to set up.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>



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In a message dated 3/17/04 6:10:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
w.bondt@belgacom.net writes:

> It all started so nice , and then there was QRSS .
>  (snip)
>  I wrkd over 200 differend stations two years ago , 
>  and only a fw are left

I'm afraid I fail to see the connection here.  Are you fellows seriously 
suggesting that QRSS somehow drove off the CW operators???

If you think about it seriously for a while, I believe you might come to the 
realization that much of the CW activity went away for lack of interest.  
Communicating on a difficult band, just for its own sake, is a challenge that 
loses its appeal for many people after a while, and they've gone back to HF; 
whereas, the digital interest (and activity) remains because it copes effectively 
with that kind of difficulty.

>From what I read of activity levels on this reflector, there's certainly 
nothing about the presence of QRSS or PSK or other modes at LF to prevent those 
who want CW QSOs from having them.  The only thing I see preventing them is a 
shortage of other like-minded folks.  Doing away with digital modes wouldn't 
change that.

John


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OK chaps, I will call CQ at 10 am this Saturday on 136 KHz CW and look
forward to a QSO with anyone who might call. (Including G3KEV).

73, Tom G3OLB

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captbrian schrieb:
> New planet just been disturbed...?could be a complaint..;-)
>
>

or the last gasp.




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Hi all,

Confirming that ZL2BBJ got similarly good results to me for QRSS30 last
night.  Received sigs were good enough for us to notice a UATLE carrier
shift of around +0.5 Hz over a short period around 1630z.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Hi all,

I've yet to find out what others ZLs received overnight from UA0LE, but my
results with QRSS30 are good, for nearly all of the time from 1300z to ZL
sunrise (approx 1830z).

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Although I am not QRV yet, I would certainly glad
to see a kind of CW activety period somewhere
during weekends or so.

Another, different question, I wonder how situation is
during summertime.
Of course less darkness hours and much higher static levels,
but I hope/think QSO's might be still posible(?)
I have no experience at all with that...

Meanwhile I get a little bit more space on my soldering table........

Now seriously going after some difficult parts for the transmitter.
I like David, G0MRF's 300W design, so planning to start with
that one.
Guess I have to get that TC4426 from the UK.....

I found out that the IRFP250N or IRFP260N are good replacements
for the 34NB20 FET's.
Haven't found replacements for the H11L1 special optocoupler as well as
the MBR150 diode's yet.
I'll have to do some more search I guess.

73

Dick, pa4vhf



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Hi Brian & LF,

Thanks for noticing the error & letting me know.

I don't know were that extra http://< came from, I've checked the address I
pull down off my database & the extra bit is there as well, I think that may
be the problem.

I've just been & tried it & was able to connect to your grab page OK, that
was the problem because each time I have tried I have used copy/paste from
the database, even for my e-mail so the address was wrong there as well.

My apologies to anyone who tried using the address I gave, please note the
correct address below.

Thanks Brian

73

Gary - G4wgt



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Rogerson [mailto:brian@esoterica.pt]
Sent: 18 March 2004 06:16
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Subject: Fwd: LF: RE: Re: 136 Antenna


Gary, the address you gave is wrong, should be:

http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/ArgoGrab/Argo_grab.htm



Hi Gary

Concerned to hear that you cannot connect to my "grabber".

I know Joe VO1NA and John Andrews with WD2XES have both
used it.

What is the problem so that I can contact my ISP?

73, Brian CT1DRP







>"G4WGT - Gary" <g4wgt@talkgas.net>




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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Grabber and activity</TITLE>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=218233221-18032004>John, 
Dave, Jim&nbsp;&amp; LF,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=218233221-18032004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=218233221-18032004>I 
won't be able to be around on the band until the middle of next week due to 
business commitments but I will try some CW from wednesday 
onwards.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=218233221-18032004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=218233221-18032004>73</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=218233221-18032004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=218233221-18032004>Gary - 
G4WGT</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave 
  Pick<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 March 2004 12:02<BR><B>To:</B> 
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: Grabber and 
  activity<BR><SPAN class=218233221-18032004><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN class=218233221-18032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>Dave - 
  G3YXM wrote.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT>
  <P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Skeds welcome too!</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>I hadn't used CW since I passed the Morse 
  test, thirty years before, when I started on LF. Thanks to the slow speeds in 
  use I managed to re-learn the stuff. It's a great way of practising. I still 
  don't feel confident enough to go on the HF bands but I'm quite happy 
  stumbling along on LF. Please don't let it put you off Gary we NEED CW QSOs on 
  the band. I'll put some CQs out over the weekend and see what I can 
  find...</FONT></P>
  <P><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>73.</FONT> <BR><FONT face="Courier New" 
  size=2>Dave G3YXM</FONT> </P><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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It's not exactly LF, but W2SZ/4 and WA1ZMS/4 claim a new world record 
on 241GHz ... using QRSS.
See : http://www.mgef.org/zms_241_vucc.htm

Nice to see that a mode that has his origin on LF found it's way to 
the other end of the spectrum (although some might regret that "the 
disease" is speading)

73, Rik  ON7YD


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Hi Rik the mind boggles a bit when you think of the stability required for
QRSS up there even 3 sec dot mode. Still I suppose it all relative and you
can read QRSS even if it "zips across" the screen, and need retuning.
Freddie was demo'ing SpecLab at one of the recent Martlesham uWave events. I
think he was suggesting it as a beacon monitor.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> It's not exactly LF, but W2SZ/4 and WA1ZMS/4 claim a new world record
> on 241GHz ... using QRSS.
> See : http://www.mgef.org/zms_241_vucc.htm
>
> Nice to see that a mode that has his origin on LF found it's way to
> the other end of the spectrum (although some might regret that "the
> disease" is speading)
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD



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<DIV><FONT size=2>Well, if the stability and frequency accuracy of&nbsp;2m 
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Hi Alan,

On the webpage they say :
"Both stations used new Wenzel Ultra-Low-Noise 5MHz reference oscillators 
as the phase-locking frequency references. Short-term
stability on the order of 4 x 10-13 is required to keep the signals within 
a 1Hz filter bandwidth of the demodulating software."

In fact they used QRSS1 (or 1.2 WPM), seems a bit the grey zone between 
ordinary CW and QRSS.
It is interesting to note that even at 1 sec/dot a QRSS viewer can dig up 
signals that cannot be copied by ear.

73, Rik ON7YD

At 23:11 18/03/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Rik the mind boggles a bit when you think of the stability required for
>QRSS up there even 3 sec dot mode. Still I suppose it all relative and you
>can read QRSS even if it "zips across" the screen, and need retuning.
>Freddie was demo'ing SpecLab at one of the recent Martlesham uWave events. I
>think he was suggesting it as a beacon monitor.
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: 18 March 2004 21:59
>Subject: LF: not exactly LF
>
>
> > It's not exactly LF, but W2SZ/4 and WA1ZMS/4 claim a new world record
> > on 241GHz ... using QRSS.
> > See : http://www.mgef.org/zms_241_vucc.htm
> >
> > Nice to see that a mode that has his origin on LF found it's way to
> > the other end of the spectrum (although some might regret that "the
> > disease" is speading)
> >
> > 73, Rik  ON7YD



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Both stations would have been using locked sources - to GPS I presume - so
getting the few Hz accuracy wouldn't have been any problem.  "Up there", the
issue becomes more one of getting the phase noise and jitter down on the
frequency/phase locking circuitry rather than frequency itself.   

Here QRSS can actually help as the processing filters out any phase noise
and sidebands more than a few Hz from the carrier, so provided the frequency
locking PLL(s) for the ,  master oscillator and RF source oscillator have
bandwidths greater than the signalling bandwidth to keep close in phase
noise down, all will work fine.   Locked microwave sources end up being more
difficult for SSB than for narrow band modes !

Andy  G4JNT



-----Original Message-----
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Hi Rik the mind boggles a bit when you think of the stability required for
QRSS up there even 3 sec dot mode. Still I suppose it all relative and you
can read QRSS even if it "zips across" the screen, and need retuning.
Freddie was demo'ing SpecLab at one of the recent Martlesham uWave events. I
think he was suggesting it as a beacon monitor.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> It's not exactly LF, but W2SZ/4 and WA1ZMS/4 claim a new world record
> on 241GHz ... using QRSS.
> See : http://www.mgef.org/zms_241_vucc.htm
>
> Nice to see that a mode that has his origin on LF found it's way to
> the other end of the spectrum (although some might regret that "the
> disease" is speading)
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/19/04 9:01:45 AM GMT Daylight Time, blanch@pncl.co.uk writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well, if the stability and frequency accuracy of 2m beacons is anything to go by he'll have a terrible job finding beacons with Speclab at 23cm never mind 240 GHz!!!!</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Walter G3JKV.</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
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With SSB or CW modes that would be very difficult.<BR>
On the other hand, if you just switch the 241GHz on and off at an audio rate or select a modulation type that does not depend on exact frequencies e.g.FM etc there are no drift problems visible on the screen.<BR>
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73<BR>
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Hi Walter,&nbsp; I wonder if the shf stations used modulated cw? Looks
like they used Gunn oscillators, which could have drifted a GHZ doring
the transmission
<br>73 de John VE1ZJ
<br>Walter Blanchard wrote:
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<font size=-1>Well, if the stability
and frequency accuracy of 2m beacons is anything to go by he'll have a
terrible job finding beacons with Speclab at 23cm never mind 240 GHz!!!!</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>Walter
G3JKV.</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>----- Original Message -----</font><font size=-1>From:
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&lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>></font><font size=-1>Sent:
Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:11 PM</font><font size=-1>Subject: LF: Re:
not exactly LF</font>&nbsp;<font size=-1>> Hi Rik the mind boggles a bit
when you think of the stability required for</font>
<br><font size=-1>> QRSS up there even 3 sec dot mode. Still I suppose
it all relative and you</font>
<br><font size=-1>> can read QRSS even if it "zips across" the screen,
and need retuning.</font>
<br><font size=-1>> Freddie was demo'ing SpecLab at one of the recent Martlesham
uWave events. <i>I&nbsp; think he was suggesting it as a beacon monitor.</i></font>
<br><font size=-1>> Cheers de Alan G3NYK</font>
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In a message dated 3/19/04 10:55:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
john.currie@ns.sympatico.ca writes:

> Hi Walter,  I wonder if the shf stations used modulated cw? Looks like
>  they used Gunn oscillators, which could have drifted a GHZ doring the
>  transmission

At that frequency, they were using an incandescent lamp...  :-)

Actually, the transmitter block diagram at the Web page cited in the original 
post shows a really sophisticated PLL system to stabilize the oscillator to 
the accuracy of the 5MHz source.

John


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Looking at the screen grabs I must agree that they have achieved absolutely
astonishing frequency stability; as they say, 1 in 10-13. Even more so for
being the result of only a 5 MHz OCXO, ultra-stable or not, mixing with a
Gunn osc, which as John says can easily drift 1 GHz/sec at that freq. Throw
away your caesiums and forget locking to GPS, the day of the really low-cost
ultra-stable standard is with us. Looks like all those tens of millions of
dollars being spent on hydrogen masers to get only 1 in 10-14 is being
wasted. Let's hope we'll hear more about how they did it.

Walter G3JKV.






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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave, Gary, Alan, Jim and all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you all for offers of help, skeds and Dick 
for the use of your grabber.&nbsp; Skeds I will request later as just at the 
moment I have had to lower all my antennae due to the gales along the south 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did make use of your grabber last night, 
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terms of signal strength but maybe I will find that out later. Nice to have the 
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Hi all,

For the third successive night both myself and Andrew ZL2BBJ have got good
captures of the UATLE QRSS beacon.  This is for reception in suburban
locations.  Today we are setting up at the Quartz Hill club station for an
attempt at a two-way contact tonight.

We will run a QQQQ... DFCW120 beacon with 0.4 Hz shift, nominal tones
137.7890/137.7886 kHz from before ZL sunset (nominally 0630z) till 0930z
(Vladivostok sunset).  We then change to QSO mode, using DFCW60, with same
tones, and call sign ZM2E.  UA0LE (UATLE) should be on or near 137.7895 kHz
so a single Argo screen could capture both signals.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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QRSS-1 is smokin fast compared to he usual -30 or -60. I wonder if they
could have gone farther with -60 or something slow?

Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI


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Hi Alan,

On the webpage they say :
"Both stations used new Wenzel Ultra-Low-Noise 5MHz reference oscillators
as the phase-locking frequency references. Short-term
stability on the order of 4 x 10-13 is required to keep the signals within
a 1Hz filter bandwidth of the demodulating software."

In fact they used QRSS1 (or 1.2 WPM), seems a bit the grey zone between
ordinary CW and QRSS.
It is interesting to note that even at 1 sec/dot a QRSS viewer can dig up
signals that cannot be copied by ear.

73, Rik ON7YD

At 23:11 18/03/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Rik the mind boggles a bit when you think of the stability required for
>QRSS up there even 3 sec dot mode. Still I suppose it all relative and you
>can read QRSS even if it "zips across" the screen, and need retuning.
>Freddie was demo'ing SpecLab at one of the recent Martlesham uWave events.
I
>think he was suggesting it as a beacon monitor.
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: 18 March 2004 21:59
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>
>
> > It's not exactly LF, but W2SZ/4 and WA1ZMS/4 claim a new world record
> > on 241GHz ... using QRSS.
> > See : http://www.mgef.org/zms_241_vucc.htm
> >
> > Nice to see that a mode that has his origin on LF found it's way to
> > the other end of the spectrum (although some might regret that "the
> > disease" is speading)
> >
> > 73, Rik  ON7YD





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Hi all (another "bore" from Alan !!)

Night-time DX possibilities continue to improve, though the signals received
by Steve Dove W3EE from DCF39 were not record-breaking. The early part of
the night showed poor levels with a lot of fading which would reduce the
chances of slow more qsos. Later at around about 0400z the signal rose to a
near record level but only for a few minutes. My monitoring of Joe VO1NA's
beacon suggested poor levels early last night, but some very strongs strings
around 0330z to 0430z and then nothing seen after about 0430z....I hope that
is not another case of wind damage for Joe.

The Solar data shows a low level of Kp over the last 4 days now, and a
slowly increasing value of the Dst index (big -ve =bad....zero or +ve
=good). There were two M-Class flares on the 18th. If these eject a CME it
will not arrive before 20th and should not affect mid-latitude paths before
the 22nd. The CME from the earlier C-Class flare will probably only strike a
glancing blow, so should not depress conditions substantially.

Hopefully all this means some good DX for Ed's expedition to eastern Russia,
which has already succeeded in putting a reliable signal down to ZL.

The full report is on
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com




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Hi Alan and group.

I was operating on and off this morning and watching for
PA0SE who's signals were about an M with me.

Will be on again tonight calling on the hour and watching
922 on the half hour.

73
Joe VO1NA



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Alan and group,

With regard to my last message, I will be on
Sunday night/Monday morning starting TX around
2200 and RX 2230, not tonight as I mentioned
earlier. Sorry for the confusion.

73
Joe VO1NA




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Hi LF-enthusiasts!

#4 (1645z MAR 20)

Now start 2-way QSO with ZM2E
RX O FB ZM2E in DFCW 60 (in 30s mode also)
RX O for UA0LE

Argocaps later

73! Ed RU6LA/0


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Congratulations Ed,

Your signals are strong in ZL4 also. 

Mike ZL4OL


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#5 (1830z MAR 20)

Finish first QSO UA(UA0LE-PN63CI) - ZL(ZM2E-RE78IR)

Argocaps send to Dave G3YXM now

Equipment:
TX - Big Vertical (high point abt 80m) + ground system(3 radials 500m long) + PA 100w Output (1-2-3 Rus LF DXpedition's talisman) = 2.4A in ANT + QRS 4.01 (TNX Rik ON7YD !)

RX - BOG(4km long to ZL) + Pre-amp(LC-bandpass + 10dB + electromechanical filter + 20dB) + TS-850 + ARGO 1.34 (TNX Alberto I2PHD !)

TNX ZL6QH's team !

73! UA0LE's team: Vlad UA0LE, Andy RA0LGH, Vic UA9OC, Ed RU6LA


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Hello all,

I'm not an expert in all the special types of components
around, so therefore some questions here.

In several transmitter designs I found a skottky diode MBR150
in the gates of the FET's.
As I don't have them here (yet?) I was wondering if these can be
replaced by other types of (schottky) diodes.

First question: the MBR150 is a 50V/1A type. Can I use types
with higher currents, and how important is the voltage rated?

Second question: as fas as I understand schottky diodes are extremly fast,
but what about the use of so called 'very fast soft-recovery
avalanche'diodes,
like the BYV26 or BYV 28 with Trr of 25ns?
I have plenty of them in my junkbox, but really no idea whether these are
fast and/or usable for this purpose.

Finally an question about David, G0MRF's 300W transmitter (actually should
ask it
David personally......) that one uses an H11L1 optocoupler with
schmitt-trigger output
in it's protection circuit.
Wonder if that one can be replaced by a normal transistor type output
optocoupler.

It is a bit frustrating to find some components so hard to find here in
Holland.......
Some designs seem to use several "exotic" components which make it rather
difficult to build them right away.......

73 Dick, pa4vhf



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Congratulations to all those involved. Does anyone know the exact distance?

Ed's screenshots are at http://www.wireless.org.uk/newspic92.htm

73
Dave G3YXM. 

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#5 (1830z MAR 20)

Finish first QSO UA(UA0LE-PN63CI) - ZL(ZM2E-RE78IR)

Argocaps send to Dave G3YXM now

Equipment:
TX - Big Vertical (high point abt 80m) + ground system(3 radials 500m long)
+ PA 100w Output (1-2-3 Rus LF DXpedition's talisman) = 2.4A in ANT + QRS
4.01 (TNX Rik ON7YD !)

RX - BOG(4km long to ZL) + Pre-amp(LC-bandpass + 10dB + electromechanical
filter + 20dB) + TS-850 + ARGO 1.34 (TNX Alberto I2PHD !)

TNX ZL6QH's team !

73! UA0LE's team: Vlad UA0LE, Andy RA0LGH, Vic UA9OC, Ed RU6LA





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I calculated it as 10331 km.

congrats to both teams, now fingers crossed for some UA0 - Europe 
QSO's.

73, Rik  ON7YD

Citeren Dave Pick <dave@picks.force9.co.uk>:

> Congratulations to all those involved. Does anyone know the exact
> distance?
> 
> Ed's screenshots are at http://www.wireless.org.uk/newspic92.htm
> 
> 73
> Dave G3YXM. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lesnichy
> Sent: 20 March 2004 18:43
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: UA-ZL QSO
> 
> #5 (1830z MAR 20)
> 
> Finish first QSO UA(UA0LE-PN63CI) - ZL(ZM2E-RE78IR)
> 
> Argocaps send to Dave G3YXM now
> 
> Equipment:
> TX - Big Vertical (high point abt 80m) + ground system(3 radials 500m
> long)
> + PA 100w Output (1-2-3 Rus LF DXpedition's talisman) = 2.4A in ANT +
> QRS
> 4.01 (TNX Rik ON7YD !)
> 
> RX - BOG(4km long to ZL) + Pre-amp(LC-bandpass + 10dB +
> electromechanical
> filter + 20dB) + TS-850 + ARGO 1.34 (TNX Alberto I2PHD !)
> 
> TNX ZL6QH's team !
> 
> 73! UA0LE's team: Vlad UA0LE, Andy RA0LGH, Vic UA9OC, Ed RU6LA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





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Dear Dick,
here a short anwer to Your questions.
 55, Hans-Albrecht
DK 8 ND

rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 20.03.04 19:54:09:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm not an expert in all the special types of components
> around, so therefore some questions here.
> 
> In several transmitter designs I found a skottky diode MBR150
> in the gates of the FET's.
> As I don't have them here (yet?) I was wondering if these can be
> replaced by other types of (schottky) diodes.
> 
> First question: the MBR150 is a 50V/1A type. Can I use types
> with higher currents, and how important is the voltage rated?  

Diodes with higher current rating have a fairly lower forward drop voltage.  You nearly allways can use diodes with higer current rating.  I dont know the purpose of these diodes at the gate of the FETs and I have yet not seen them in this place. 

> 
> Second question: as fas as I understand schottky diodes are extremly fast,
> but what about the use of so called 'very fast soft-recovery
> avalanche'diodes,
> like the BYV26 or BYV 28 with Trr of 25ns?
> I have plenty of them in my junkbox, but really no idea whether these are
> fast and/or usable for this purpose.

Diodes with a Trr of 25 ns are fast for switch mode power supplies. Schottky-Diodes are faster. But these components have a pretty high capacity and can be build only for voltages up to 80 V as single diode components.  BYV26...2 are very good components for HF. 


> 
> Finally an question about David, G0MRF's 300W transmitter (actually should
> ask it
> David personally......) that one uses an H11L1 optocoupler with
> schmitt-trigger output
> in it's protection circuit.
> Wonder if that one can be replaced by a normal transistor type output
> optocoupler.
> 
> It is a bit frustrating to find some components so hard to find here in
> Holland.......
> Some designs seem to use several "exotic" components which make it rather
> difficult to build them right away.......
> 
> 73 Dick, pa4vhf
> 
> 


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Hi all,

Andrew ZL2BBJ and myself, the ZM2E operators, are confident to claim a 2 way
QSO with UATLE (UA0LE).  We got quite good results from UATLE within a few
hours of UATLE sunset, so we suspect they have better radiated power than
ZM2E.  As per the results of receiving the beacon on week nights,
propoagation generally lifted about "half way through the dark time".

Signals were so good during the last few hours before ZL sunrise that we
could actually copy by ear, and very clearly check with Argo on 3 second dot
length :-)  The QRSS30 received signal seemed to overload Argo set to 30
second dot length.

I'll make a more complete report in due course.  We need to check the
distance, but I understand it to be nominally 10311 km.

73, Bob ZL2CA



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Dear LF Group,

Congratulations to the UA0LE and ZM2E teams on the excellent 2-way QSO. Is
this a new record for 2-way comms on LF? I have been monitoring Ed's
frequency throughout the expedition, but so far nothing seen at all.
However, the frequency does seem to be clear of QRM, so still hopeful.

VO1NA was good copy at about QRSS10 last night, between QSB. Joe's sigs also
seem to be "O" copy tonight at 0050utc, again around QRSS10.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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First of all congrats to Ed ans his group, as well as the ZL's for
their wonderfull QSO!

Reading Ed's message I was a bit surprised to see that they where running
100Watt 'only'.

What interests me is to know who's active and with what power and antenna.
I wonder is there is any list which contains that info.
I know for example that such lists where quite common in the EME
(moonbounce) scene.

Maybe it gives a better picture of what would be a reasonable set up to
start with.

73!

Dick, pa4vhf


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Dear Dick, LF Group,

> What interests me is to know who's active and with what power and antenna.
> I wonder is there is any list which contains that info.
> I know for example that such lists where quite common in the EME
> (moonbounce) scene.
>
> Maybe it gives a better picture of what would be a reasonable set up to
> start with.

Ahh, if only... The Effective Radiated Power is the best measure of the
transmission capability of a station on LF. But it is not a simple matter to
give a meaningful figure for ERP, since as well as TX power and antenna
cofiguration, the radiated power depends a lot on the losses in the antenna
and its surroundings, and also the environment around the antenna. The
efficiency of "back garden" amateur antennas is normally < 0.1%, but varies
a lot. An antenna in an urban area can have several dB less ERP than the
identical antenna in an open field. For a comprehensive discussion and
calculations, see Rik's web pages on http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136ant.htm. So
attempting to give a meaningful ERP for a station is not easy.

The only real way to get an accurate measure of ERP is from field strength
measurements - through a long series of measurements, I found the ERP of my
station was about 400mW using my normal 10m high inverted L antenna and
1200W RF. After dark, when the neighbors can't see, I put a fibreglass mast
under the centre of the antenna span to turn it into an inverted V
configuration that is 14m high at the apex. This increases the ERP to 1W
almost exactly. Even so, changing weather conditions cause a significant
change in ERP due to changing antenna losses - the ERP may be 3dB lower in
wet weather compared to dry, very cold weather. So the signal coming from my
QTH can vary several dB even when using the same TX power.

I believe UA licence conditions limit TX power to 100W on LF - but Ed has
always done a good job in finding very big antennas - eg. 80m high for the
current expedition. For antennas this big, efficiencies of a few percent
should be achieved quite easily, giving UA0LE maybe 10W ERP, even though
using a relatively low power. Most of Europe seems to be limited to 1W ERP
maximum, and this is quite hard to reach in practice, which is probably why
Ed's expeditions put out such good signals.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry for the mistake below. I referred to the 
grabber provided by Dick when I really meant Dave,&nbsp; G3YXM. Again thanks to 
you Dave.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:g3jrl@members.v21.co.uk" 
  title=g3jrl@members.v21.co.uk>Frederick John Armstrong</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" 
  title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>lf group</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 19, 2004 6:30 
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: from G3JRL</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave, Gary, Alan, Jim and all,</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you all for offers of help, skeds and Dick 
  for the use of your grabber.&nbsp; Skeds I will request later as just at the 
  moment I have had to lower all my antennae due to the gales along the south 
  coast at the present.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did make use of your grabber last night, 
  Thursday, Dick and saw the trace.&nbsp; I cannot interpret what this means in 
  terms of signal strength but maybe I will find that out later. Nice to have 
  the feedback as I have been groping in the dark due to lack of stations on who 
  can hear me. I call ON6ND and others but they hear me not. I have had some 
  reports from Alan Melia so thanks to you Alan.</FONT></DIV>
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  signals?&nbsp; Maybe you have already informed me but I downloaded 44 e-mails 
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Hello Jim,

Thanks for the call last Saturday. Sorry you had a difficult time to copy.
I wonder if you heard G3OLB who I worked prior to your call?  Tom reported
599 and a large signal from me.  I am wondering if I am suffering from great
attenuation as a resuly of my location which is only 30ft asl. and
surrounded by hills rising up to 550 ft.  I live in a hole really. I am not
conversant with the nature of propagation under these circumstances.  I
wonder if you or any of the lf group have any thoughts on this matter? If my
problem is the transmitting antenna I can work on that but if its the
location that is difficult.
----- Original Message -----
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> Dear John, Gary,
>
> If you would like a 136kHz sked, I can usually be QRV during the
> evenings
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now that the winds have died down my antenae will 
be up again from Monday 22nd March when I will try some calls on CW.&nbsp; I 
usually call cq on 136.9 kHz about 1600 hrs and 1930 hrs.&nbsp; I will monitor 
136.9 kHz for CW and&nbsp;3.703 Mhz ssb for replies as I am not sure what 
preference for mode you all have.&nbsp; I know some of you are not keen on 
CW.&nbsp; If&nbsp;CW is preferable&nbsp;I will change to that mode but not 
initially unless requested.&nbsp; Reports from the East have not been 
encouraging as yet so dont expect anything big for the moment, unless I get 
lucky, Hi.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>21./03/2004&nbsp;&nbsp; 1735z</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;<STRONG>Good afternoon to 
all,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;I'm Jeff F6CWN, new member of this 
list and very funny with LF (a big fun run!).</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope to be QRV from JN09TT in LF in some 
weeks.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 and good DX to 
all.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jeff / 
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=437270219-21032004><FONT face=Arial 
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=437270219-21032004><FONT face=Arial 
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=437270219-21032004><FONT face=Arial 
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=437270219-21032004><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>I will also listen for G3JRL (when I have mended my 
aerial!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=437270219-21032004><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=437270219-21032004><FONT face=Arial 
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  <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <B>On Behalf Of 
  </B>F6CWN<BR><B>Sent:</B> 21 March 2004 17:37<BR><B>To:</B> 
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: 
Hello!<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>21./03/2004&nbsp;&nbsp; 1735z</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;<STRONG>Good afternoon to 
  all,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;I'm Jeff F6CWN, new member of this 
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>I hope to be QRV from JN09TT in LF in 
  some weeks.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 and good DX to 
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jeff / 
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Ed's signal T to M copy in southern ZL last night.

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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=knaap159@zonnet.nl href="mailto:knaap159@zonnet.nl">Dick</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Welcome Jeff,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isn't that the QTH off F6IFR contestgroup on 
  VHF-UHF-SHF??????</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 Dick, pa4vhf (ex pa3fjy-jo32eh)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>---------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>21./03/2004&nbsp;&nbsp; 1920z</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>&nbsp;Hello Dick and the 
  list!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>&nbsp;Yes it is... The age is getting 
  on,&nbsp; and the coils&nbsp;grows up, then the</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>frequency down!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>But the station is still&nbsp;OK on 
  VHF...</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>CUAGN soon!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>88/73:</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>Françoise/ F6IFR</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>Jeff/ F6CWN&nbsp;</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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I heard G3olb from here (near Brighton).about s3 but find I am not beating
against any bfo but rather reading the note produced by his mixing with the
large data carrying carrier. Hence the note is unchanged no matter where I
tune.

Attempts to use a bfo just result in a loud tone from the data carrier..

I confess I was using a AR88 but with narrowest filter..

Bryan G3GVB
----- Original Message -----
From: Frederick John Armstrong <g3jrl@members.v21.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: 136 Antenna


> Hello Jim,
>
> Thanks for the call last Saturday. Sorry you had a difficult time to copy.
> I wonder if you heard G3OLB who I worked prior to your call?  Tom reported
> 599 and a large signal from me.  I am wondering if I am suffering from
great
> attenuation as a resuly of my location which is only 30ft asl. and
> surrounded by hills rising up to 550 ft.  I live in a hole really. I am
not
> conversant with the nature of propagation under these circumstances.  I
> wonder if you or any of the lf group have any thoughts on this matter? If
my
> problem is the transmitting antenna I can work on that but if its the
> location that is difficult.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Moritz <J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:35 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Re: 136 Antenna
>
>
> > Dear John, Gary,
> >
> > If you would like a 136kHz sked, I can usually be QRV during the
> > evenings
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>



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Dear John, LF Group,

Tom G3OLB is usually an S9 signal with me - but as I recall he is not far
from you in Devon, and the distance by itself may well account for the
difference in signal reports. With ground-wave propagation, the increased
distance to Hertfordshire, plus additional ground loss, might easily amount
to 20dB+ reduction in signal, which would make all the difference between
signal reports from Tom and myself. Also, Saturday morning was fairly noisy
here due to local 50Hz-related QRM. I doubt if being surrounded by hills is
a problem - with a wavelength of 2200m, the signal should diffract around
them with little loss. Certainly, there has been more than one LF operation
with antennas up the side of seaside cliffs that have given respectable
signals in the inland direction. It would be interesting to know what
antenna and TX power you are using there.

Thanks for the first QSO, and hope to see you again soon on 136k,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message -----
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> Hello Jim,
>
> Thanks for the call last Saturday. Sorry you had a difficult time to copy.
> I wonder if you heard G3OLB who I worked prior to your call?  Tom reported
> 599 and a large signal from me.  I am wondering if I am suffering from
great
> attenuation as a resuly of my location which is only 30ft asl. and
> surrounded by hills rising up to 550 ft.  I live in a hole really. I am
not
> conversant with the nature of propagation under these circumstances.  I
> wonder if you or any of the lf group have any thoughts on this matter? If
my
> problem is the transmitting antenna I can work on that but if its the
> location that is difficult.
>



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Jeff, and the rest of the group of 
course.......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great to see you here.....worked each other a lot 
of times in</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>144MHz contests.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, I'm planning to take down the remaining parts 
of my old</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2-meter station: the 4 times 9 element OZ5HF 
yagi's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The stuff is at my parents home, where I have a bit 
more</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>space, and less neighbours, but.....quite some 
large trees</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>quite closed to the mast......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The plan is to extend the mast to about 20m, and to 
make an</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>toploaded construction as EI0CF did some time 
ago.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hopefully that will work on 
136kHz......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lot of work to do before I'm ready.....but still 
going slooooooooowly forward....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Im putting the equipment for my trip to Fiji in mid June and having to 
compromise with weight versus operability - the trusty 817 is "ok" but I 
cant give it the signal level it deserves on 137Khz (considering the 
location s/n etc) and Im looking at a more sensitive box such as the frg100. 
Anyone experienced  rx stability or other issues at LF with this box? .

We are moving in to our new location today but sad news is that it wont 
fulfill my aerial aspirations on any band but on the other hand it does back 
onto a golf course and its quieter than I could have asked for, except for 
audio bands where we have detected numerically challenged golfers who only 
can dialogue between 3 and 5.

Part 5 will be applied for again here in Northern Oklahoma for wd2xdw b but 
I want to get the present modification squared away with the OET FCC before 
I confuse the issue.

Laurence KL1X/5 41 miles North of Tulsa, 29 miles south of the "little house 
on the prairy".

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A 10000 km north-south path seems to work well on LF.
Maybe we (Europeans) should look for some interested hams in southern Africa.

73, Rik  ON7YD



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Rik,

> A 10000 km north-south path seems to work well on LF.
> Maybe we (Europeans) should look for some interested hams in southern
Africa.

The path from ZL to Vladivostok is nearly all over sea, so reflections are
quite efficient.  Paths from EU to Africa generally involve paths over land.

73, Bob ZL2CA



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You're right Bob.
Maybe we better go for the north-eastern coast of South-America.

73, Rik

At 21:35 22/03/2004 +1200, you wrote:
>Rik,
>
> > A 10000 km north-south path seems to work well on LF.
> > Maybe we (Europeans) should look for some interested hams in southern
>Africa.
>
>The path from ZL to Vladivostok is nearly all over sea, so reflections are
>quite efficient.  Paths from EU to Africa generally involve paths over land.
>
>73, Bob ZL2CA



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Just a quick look at a map and the best you can do towards South America
from Calais is about 7500-8000 km. Getting a long ocean path out of Europe
is basically limited to that sort of distance, other than the 12700km down
to the Falklands.  One alternative option is to consider a path all the way
across to Panama and down through the Pacific to ZL- 'almost' a sea path all
the way! There is another 'grazing land' long sea path from ZL as far as
southwest Portugal (around Lisbon) that sneaks round the bottom of South
America and up over the Falklands.

>From ZL we have about 13500 km sea paths to the east african coast, north
from Mombasa, due to the screening effect of Madagascar.  Coming south, past
the bottom of Madagascar, the great circle path into Durban is about 11300km
but grazes the Antarctic ice shelf and in the case of Quartz Hill, also
grazes down the east coast of the South Island of ZL. Awarua (RIP) would be
better-but then we know it always was!

Around the Pacific, the sea paths from ZL to virtually all the west coast of
continental north america, from Alaska as far south as Panama, are in the
vicinity of  10500 to 11000 km.

Food for thought?
73
Dave, ZL3FJ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be>
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> You're right Bob.
> Maybe we better go for the north-eastern coast of South-America.
>
> 73, Rik
>
> At 21:35 22/03/2004 +1200, you wrote:
> >Rik,
> >
> > > A 10000 km north-south path seems to work well on LF.
> > > Maybe we (Europeans) should look for some interested hams in southern
> >Africa.
> >
> >The path from ZL to Vladivostok is nearly all over sea, so reflections
are
> >quite efficient.  Paths from EU to Africa generally involve paths over
land.
> >
> >73, Bob ZL2CA
>
>
>



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Best DX for G and Eu -> VP8.  (only sea)

RS> A 10000 km north-south path seems to work well on LF.
RS> Maybe we (Europeans) should look for some interested hams in southern Africa.

RS> 73, Rik  ON7YD

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Hi Rik, and David. There is not doubt that "mainly sea" paths do have an
advantage. We have the KLIX / Quartz Hill results from last year, and I find
that Joe VO1NA is visible most nights despite a relatively low ERP. CFH
(Halifax) is received in the UK much better than in mainland Europe. However
trans-polar paths should not be totally ruled out. There was little
difference between the signals received by Laurence from G3LDO and DF6NM
despite ERP differences. These distances are very similar and almost
northerly. I have discussed this previously with Brian CT1DRP who is
probably one of the best placed in Europe to get a long sea path to ZL. We
concluded that a path over the Cape Horn area in winter might be the most
promising. Even there the "window" of total darkness is quite short.

I doubt that there is a "reflecton" loss effect at a sea surface, the
incoming wave direction at extreme distance is almost tangential. I would
suspect that any difference with land paths might be one of "surface
roughness" and scattering/diffraction. I suspect the "successful ray" will
merely skim over the surface and head straight up to the ionosphere again
( see the geometry on my web page), suffering little more than a little
"bending". I suppose the "surface roughness" might be a little worse in the
Cape Horn area :-))

Some ideas of the approximate strengths of the signals on the ZL<>UA0 path
would be of interest. I think the 10,000 kms path would approximate to 5
"hops". On a sea path the major loss would seem to be from the ionospheric
return. By comparison VO1NA to UK is a 2 "hop" path.

Propagation conditions have been "generally favourable" but not
spectacularly good. There should be many such occurrances in the next few
"quiet sun" years, probably many that will be much better.

Great work, congratulations to all concerned (who said we wouldn't get out
of our back gardens on this band !!)
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com




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RU6LWZ

73!Vlad

Monday, March 22, 2004, 4:12:00 PM, you wrote:

bg> Hi all,
bg> captured signals at abt 17.00 ...18.00 UTC yesterday. Who was it with ...RWZ(above RN6BN, Sam)?
bg> 73 Bernd, DF8ZR



-- 
Best regards,
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Thanks to John G3JRL for a nice CW QSO on Saturday. I cannot give you an
accurate 'so many dBs above noise' John, but you certainly sounded 599
to me. Keep improving that antenna and there is no reason why you
shouldn't work all of Europe. In theory, my very long wire shouldn't
work, but I think the length of wire simply looks like a lot of top
loading for the 60 ft vertical section. Actually it's not vertical but
slopes up to a tall tree on top of a bank, then there is about 1,000
feet of wire around a field.

Bryan, nice to know you heard me on a proper receiver! Sounds like the
filter on the AR88 is not sharp enough.

Jim, glad you QSOd John. You were S9 plus as usual.

I will try and get on 136 CW at weekends as time allows.

73 to all, Tom G3OLB


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 It looks like Ed had a couple of successful QSO's last night.
 
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Mike,

OK.  Have yet to view my captures on the shack PC (I'm using the "upstairs"
PC that is the main email machine).

73, Bob

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>
>  It looks like Ed had a couple of successful QSO's last night.
>
>  Mike ZL4OL



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Hi Alan, Rik and others,

Drawing on ITU-R LF propagation reports, it seems that sea paths can have
"coastal gain" of some 8 dB for a station that is fairly close to the coast
(and the direction of the signal is in a seaward direction).  If each end of
the path is so-located, then the cummulative advantage is obvious.  Quartz
Hill is ideally sited for sea paths in a northwest sector, and UA0LE could
hardly be in a better direction for us.  I'm not sure how close to the coast
UA0LE is sited, but Ed can comment on that in due course.

As I reported earlier, the UATLE received signal last Saturday night peaked
to be actually audible in the fairly heavy static, and gave "Q5" results on
Argo set at 3 second dot length.  It could well be that we encountered much
better than usual propagation that night.

In terms of total time that both ends have a dark path, this is where
north/south paths have a big advantage over east/west paths.  There were
nine hours of dark path between ZM2E and UA0LE last Saturday night.  ZM2E is
well placed to work "right up the Pacific" to Siberia or Alaska, and enjoy
"coastal gain" as well.

73, Bob ZL2CA



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Hi all,

UATLE signals and Argo captures were very good last night, O copy for hours
and some overloading of Argo with 30 second dot setting.  This is receiving
in suburban Wellington.  ZL4OL also got good copy last night.

I'm not sure if I've reported it before, but in ZL we can sometimes get
reasonable copy on AM mode of a Russian broadcast station on 180 kHz.  It is
part of a synchronous network as a sub Hz beat can also be heard at times.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello all, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did, as announced, call cq at 1600hrs and 1930 
hrs today, Monday,and listened on 136.9 kHz and 3073 kHz.&nbsp; The only station 
I heard was Werner ON6ND. Thank you Werner for calling. I thought at first you 
had heard my cqs but I realised that that was not the case when you did not 
reply to me. You had responded to my e-mail I think.&nbsp; Werner I was copying 
you at 589 as I often do as I have called you many times but my signal is not 
making it to you.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you Jim for your thoughts on my location. I 
will persevere with improvements to the antenna then.&nbsp; For those who wish 
to know,&nbsp; I run 415 watts from the tx and I obtain 2 amps into the antenna 
which is an inverted L with vertical slightly sloping of 35 ft and top of 117 
feet. I use 2 radials of 130 ft with earth rods but intend to increase 
them.&nbsp; I thought that should have done the business but not so.&nbsp; The 
loading coil is a large one&nbsp; using a muck bucket of 600mm dia and 500 mm 
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LF group,

Hartmut, Alan and Jim have been reporting good reception of
the QRSS15 sigs so I will be trying QRSS3 after
about 0100 UTC (23 Mar).  Its a long shot, but worth
a try.

I will be on dot 20 TX on the hour, QSX on the half starting
2300 tonight (22 Mar).

Thanks
Joe VO1NA



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Ed,

I'm drafting a "news item" to send to QST.

You probably saw on the reflector that UATLE was solid copy again in
Wellington :-)

73, Bob




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Two hours of O copy from Ed last night.
Mike ZL4OL


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Hi all,

UA0LE had long periods of O to M copy in Wellington overnight.  Again it was
best in the "second half" of mutual dark path time.

Of the seven nights that UA0LE has so far been transmitting, I missed one
(gear still packed from the ZM2E trip), but got O copy for good periods on
each of the other six nights.  Mike ZL4OL, located near Dunedin, has also
been monitoring, and did receive beacon signals on the night I was AWOL, so
the evidence is that the ZL/UA0 path is rather productive for LF DX.

I can also report that I have been supplied with a sequence of Argo pics
captured last Saturday night from a location near New Orleans (USA).  The
captures show very good copy of the ZM2E side of the QSO with UATLE, however
from initial inspection there is nothing useful displayed of the UATLE side
of the QSO, yet the display bandwidth is sufficient to show it if it was
received.  There are QRM lines as well, which may mask UATLE, so more
analysis is needed.  My provisional view is that a north/south LF path
appears to have significantly better DX propagation than an east/west path.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/22/04 8:40:06 AM GMT Standard Time, rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A 10000 km north-south path seems to work well on LF.<BR>
Maybe we (Europeans) should look for some interested hams in southern Africa.<BR>
<BR>
73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Or EU to 3B9C.......I knew there was something else I should have packed into the container.<BR>
<BR>
73<BR>
<BR>
David</FONT></HTML>

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Hi all, whilst not wishing to deprive the RSGB of income, you might be
interested to see a "new" handbook offered on UK eBay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3085545640&category=150
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No its not one of mine ...Honest !!..... I'm not parting with mine !! To
anyone who does not have one I can recommend it as a good read and
collection of LF information.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>David</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Just 
go to the local 3B9 supermarket and by the adequate xtals to shift your AO-40 
rig down to 137 kHz.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Tune 
the equipment for max on LF</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Then 
just&nbsp;replace the 2,4 GHz and 435 MHz aerials by some 137 kHz stuff and 
that's it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Easy, 
isn't it ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=996020007-24032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>73 de 
Jean-Louis F6AGR</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De&nbsp;:</B> G0MRF@aol.com 
  [mailto:G0MRF@aol.com]<BR><B>Envoy&eacute;&nbsp;:</B> mardi 23 mars 2004 
  22:20<BR><B>&Agrave;&nbsp;:</B> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Objet&nbsp;:</B> 
  Re: LF: UA-ZL QSO<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 
  face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">In a message dated 3/22/04 
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  TYPE="CITE">A 10000 km north-south path seems to work well on LF.<BR>Maybe 
    we (Europeans) should look for some interested hams in southern 
    Africa.<BR><BR>73, Rik&nbsp; ON7YD<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Or EU to 
  3B9C.......I knew there was something else I should have packed into the 
  container.<BR><BR>73<BR><BR>David</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Dear LF-entusiasts!

#6 (0750z MAR 24)

MAR 22
Finished 2-way QSO with RU6LWZ(KN97LN)

MAR 23
Finished 2-way QSO with RN6BN(KN95LC)
Propagation is fine - some times Sam's siganals is audio

QRM-lines at UA0LE's QTH:
137.70515, 705.5, 705.8, 706.3, 707.4, 708.6, 708.9, 709.9, 710

The prospective time-table:

MAR 24 (Sunset 0925z - Sunrise 2115z)
0930 - 1700z beacon QRSS120 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1700 - 1740 TX QRSS60 ("UATLE") 137.7895
1740 - 1840 RX in 60s mode in 705...708
1840 - 1920 TX QRSS60 ("UATLE") 137.7895
1920 - 2000 RX in 60s mode in 705...708
2000 - 2040 TX QRSS60 ("UATLE") 137.7895
2040 - 2120 RX in 60s mode in 705...708

Same time-table for next days also, but attemp 2-way QSO is welcomed
Propagation now is improve (I'm believe..)

73! UA0LE's team: Vlad UA0LE, Vic UA9OC, Ed RU6LA


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EL> MAR 23
EL> Finished 2-way QSO with RN6BN(KN95LC)
EL> Propagation is fine - some times Sam's siganals is audio

picture from Ed
http://iq.73.ru/23mar00068.JPG
I changed frequency on request Ed.    706->706.5->709

-- 

RN6BN,  Sam                          mailto:73@73.ru



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Hi Brian 3 messages with attachments ...the manual...didn't return a bounce
message...but this mornings short missive did...I'll post it in the usual
place.

Alan



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...as a reply to your posting so we see if that makes a difference.
Alan



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Ed's signal captured for 3 hours last night but only T to M copy.
Mike ZL4OL


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Hi all,

Once again, for overnight on 25th March, hours of O reports for reception of
UA0LE in Wellington.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Hello Group,

  I have uploaded version 2 of Spectran. It has some significant differences
with respect to the previous version. To know them go to the weaksignals 
page :
http://www.weaksignals.com

73  Alberto  I2PHD

As usual, reports are welcome.
 




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The Kiwis and the Ruskies are really to be commended on their LF DX QSO. It
is one thing to just receive a fragment of a signal but quite another to
make a QSO. The Vladivostok Dxpedition has truly turned out to be a great
success.

As regards North/South propagation, when I received G3AQC's signals in
Marrakech last October they were surprisingly strong - considering that I
was using a 10m long dipole (configured as a Marconi against mains earth).
Although the DX path was nowhere near the UA0 - ZL distance the signals were
almost dogboning. So either we had very good propagation or there is more to
North/South propagation than meets the eye.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO





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Alan G3NYK said:


> Hi all, whilst not wishing to deprive the RSGB of income, you might be
> interested to see a "new" handbook offered on UK eBay
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3085545640&category=150
> 2
>
> No its not one of mine ...Honest !!..... I'm not parting with mine !! To
> anyone who does not have one I can recommend it as a good read and
> collection of LF information.

I checked this out and it turned out to be 'The LF Experimenter's Source
Book, 2nd edition' and was published by the RSGB. It followed an earlier
'The LF Experimenter's Source Book', printed in 1996, which was originally
produced in an attempt to supply information for the then new 73kHz band.
Because of a perceived low demand these books were printed on demand by
photocopying prepared art work.
The 2nd edition (now out of print at the RSGB I think) contains an account
of the first QRSS (100sec dots) transmission and reception by G4JNT and
G3PLX respectively; using DOS computers and HB hardware. Fascinating stuff.
Both these superseded by 'The Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook'.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO

e-mail <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>

Web <http://web.ukonline.co.uk/g3ldo>





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Hi Peter, time almost for a post-mortem......Conditions were good and
improving (we are only just the "magic" 15 days past the last major storm.)
Having said that there was nothing spectacular about them, and similar
conditions should occur with some regularity...it wont be a "one-off" . The
is certainly someting about North-South paths (remember the Euro DX record
for a long time was Italy to Finland) Iam not sure that the "magnetic
direction" has more than a minor role on strengths. I feel that the sea path
and the fact that the whole of the path is at the "same time after darkness"
may be a more important effect. This is the effect that makes the morning
absorption at sunrise such a signal killer on N<>S paths. The only evidence
is from Laurences copy of Quartz Hill last year, and the consistency of
Joe's relatively low power signal in the UK. With a multi-hop path if all
the hops are good at the same time, then you could be on a winner. On an
East West path, because of sunset time variation along the path the
ionosphere will be in different states along the path. Thus some hops may be
good but other might show absorption.....the same effect as when the sunrise
sweeps down the path, killing it from the east.

It interesting to note that there is a reduction in signal reported by some
stations during the middle of the night. This is also often seen on
trans-Atlantic signals ...my term.."the 3 o'clock dip".

The boys have advanced the LF art somewhat in the last few days. Thanks
fellows for all the hard work.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
From: "g3ldo" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 24 March 2004 23:45
Subject: LF: North South propagation


> The Kiwis and the Ruskies are really to be commended on their LF DX QSO.
It
> is one thing to just receive a fragment of a signal but quite another to
> make a QSO. The Vladivostok Dxpedition has truly turned out to be a great
> success.
>
> As regards North/South propagation, when I received G3AQC's signals in
> Marrakech last October they were surprisingly strong - considering that I
> was using a 10m long dipole (configured as a Marconi against mains earth).
> Although the DX path was nowhere near the UA0 - ZL distance the signals
were
> almost dogboning. So either we had very good propagation or there is more
to
> North/South propagation than meets the eye.
>
> Regards,
> Peter, G3LDO
>
>
>



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Hi All, just as Ed's expedition draws to a close, it seems that conditions
are getting even better. The Kp index has been low for 15 days now. I have
also been monitoring another index, Dst, since January, this seems to track
the Kp peaks. It does however seem to give a better indication of the radio
conditions recovery after a geomagnetic storm. Where as the Kp index can
drop rapidly after a storm to quiet levels, the Dst index which may be
considered as a measure of the "Equatorial ring current" (controversial)
returns from the storm high levels much more slowly. Dst levels are now
almost as low as the "legendry Jan 2003" conditions. I believe that this
shows that the "reservoir" of ions giving night-time absorption has decayed
to a low value.

Note the slight paradox that "high" (Storm) Dst levels are actually high
negative values. More information and a monthly table of values, in my
Propagation Report.
www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com





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Hello Group,

In view of Alan's favourable evaluation of the conditions,
I will be transmitting QRSS20 on the hour starting at 2200
and watching on the half hour at QRSS30 centred on 135.922
kHz.  TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 1.6 amps to the single 100 metre
wire aerial.

Regards
Joe VO1NA




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WD2XES will be on 137.7775 sending "XES" in DFCW60 (0.2 Hz shift), starting
at 2330. Power will be around 100 watts to a loop, so the customary Divine
intervention will be required.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES

> In view of Alan's favourable evaluation of the conditions,
> I will be transmitting QRSS20 on the hour starting at 2200
> and watching on the half hour at QRSS30 centred on 135.922
> kHz.  TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 1.6 amps to the single 100 metre
> wire aerial.
> Regards
> Joe VO1NA




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Hello Joe,

I want to try with you QSO so much, but my antenna works on
137700 only.
I shall try only receive you and John.

Thursday, March 25, 2004, 5:03:50 PM, you wrote:
JC> In view of Alan's favourable evaluation of the conditions,
JC> I will be transmitting QRSS20 on the hour starting at 2200
JC> and watching on the half hour at QRSS30 centred on 135.922
JC> kHz.  TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 1.6 amps to the single 100 metre
JC> wire aerial.

JC> Regards
JC> Joe VO1NA

-- 
Best regards,
Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I saw some mention of 3B9C on here. I just worked 
him on 160m cw a few minutes ago, what a pile up !!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They are solid with me on all bands and have worked 
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Hi Alberto & LF Group,

I have downloaded & installed Spectran V 2 & find that it will not support
the motherboard on board sound hardware which is C-Media AC97 Audio Device,
Spectrum Lab & Argo are ok. Operating system is Windows 2000 Pro. Any idea's
?

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

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Hello Group,

  I have uploaded version 2 of Spectran. It has some significant differences
with respect to the previous version. To know them go to the weaksignals
page :
http://www.weaksignals.com

73  Alberto  I2PHD

As usual, reports are welcome.






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Dear Joe, Ed, LF Group

Am looking for your sigs tonight - but quite a lot of QRN here....

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Hi all,

Captures last night show O copy over about 5 hours for UATLE, as received in
suburban Wellington.

>From the propagation index information from Alan G3NYK, it seems that Ed
RU6LA did very well in picking the time for a DXpedition ;-)

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Hi Bob, Ah that and the incense sticks, and the little dance round an open
fire at midnight !! I posted a "request" that was filled this time......I
dont always get it right!! Maybe my dancing ain't that good !!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Hi all,
>
> Captures last night show O copy over about 5 hours for UATLE, as received
in
> suburban Wellington.
>
> From the propagation index information from Alan G3NYK, it seems that Ed
> RU6LA did very well in picking the time for a DXpedition ;-)
>
> 73, Bob ZL2CA
>
>


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Alberto di Bene schrieb:
> Hello Group,
>
>   I have uploaded version 2 of Spectran. It has some significant differences
> with respect to the previous version. To know them go to the weaksignals 
> page :
> http://www.weaksignals.com
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
> As usual, reports are welcome.
>  
>
Hi Alberto,

fine software! big step forward. thank you. 
it is ok with the new SB Audigy 2ZS (guess you use it too).

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx




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r> I shall try only receive you and John.

JC>> In view of Alan's favourable evaluation of the conditions,
JC>> I will be transmitting QRSS20 on the hour starting at 2200
JC>> and watching on the half hour at QRSS30 centred on 135.922
JC>> kHz.  TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 1.6 amps to the single 100 metre
JC>> wire aerial.

JC>> Regards
JC>> Joe VO1NA

Only TTT copy today.


-- 
Best regards,
Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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Dear LF group,

Still nothing from UA0LE, unfortunately.... however...

I worked Brian, G3YKB, who is new on the band; he is in St. Albans under 10
miles from here, so a strong signal at my QTH. He is running 100W into a 6m
high "T" antenna. Brian says his CW is rather rusty, so send slowly if you
call him - he was actually sending PSK31 when I first heard him, and we had
a mixed-mode contact .

I watched a QSO between G3LDO and VO1NA, before working Joe myself, with "O"
copy both ways at QRSS 30. At the moment (0500), Joe is sending QRSS3, which
is also "O" copy, but try as I might, I can't hear the signal.

Also, "XES" is "O" copy in DFCW60 about 0.5Hz up from VO1NA. Pictures to
follow. It's now getting light here, and on past form conditions will be
peaking now, so I'm off to bed...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Curiosity has finally overwhelmed my reluctance to appear stupid in public.!
I assumed M plus a digit  such as M6  was a UK call sign?
Plainly it is in Russia.

Must be in my dotage...nothing's been right since we ran out of G's --- LOL

Bryan

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Joe,
> 
> I want to try with you QSO so much, but my antenna works on
> 137700 only.
> I shall try only receive you and John.
> 
> Thursday, March 25, 2004, 5:03:50 PM, you wrote:
> JC> In view of Alan's favourable evaluation of the conditions,
> JC> I will be transmitting QRSS20 on the hour starting at 2200
> JC> and watching on the half hour at QRSS30 centred on 135.922
> JC> kHz.  TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 1.6 amps to the single 100 metre
> JC> wire aerial.
> 
> JC> Regards
> JC> Joe VO1NA
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Yes, OK on my three different soundcards (not all in the same cptr!)
But ------
On v1 if I changed the sampling rate and/or resolution while it was running
it didn't seem to mind and kept on running.
On this one it hangs up and says "Error during out_buffers prepare"
and that's it so I have re-load.
Yes, I know it's my ham-fistedness!!!! I shall just have to learn to "stop"
it first.

Walter G3JKV.




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Brian,<br><br>
in some fonts rn looks very much like m.<br>
Using a larger size might clear up things :<br><br>
<font size=7>in some fonts rn looks very much like m.<br><br>
</font>73, Rik<br><br>
At 08:14 26/03/2004 +0000, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Curiosity has finally overwhelmed
my reluctance to appear stupid in public.!<br>
I assumed M plus a digit&nbsp; such as M6&nbsp; was a UK call sign?<br>
Plainly it is in Russia.<br><br>
Must be in my dotage...nothing's been right since we ran out of G's ---
LOL<br><br>
Bryan<br><br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: rn6bn &lt;rn6bn@73.ru&gt;<br>
To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<br>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:24 PM<br>
Subject: Re: LF: QRV Tonight<br><br>
<br>
&gt; Hello Joe,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I want to try with you QSO so much, but my antenna works on<br>
&gt; 137700 only.<br>
&gt; I shall try only receive you and John.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thursday, March 25, 2004, 5:03:50 PM, you wrote:<br>
&gt; JC&gt; In view of Alan's favourable evaluation of the
conditions,<br>
&gt; JC&gt; I will be transmitting QRSS20 on the hour starting at
2200<br>
&gt; JC&gt; and watching on the half hour at QRSS30 centred on
135.922<br>
&gt; JC&gt; kHz.&nbsp; TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 1.6 amps to the single
100 metre<br>
&gt; JC&gt; wire aerial.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; JC&gt; Regards<br>
&gt; JC&gt; Joe VO1NA<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- <br>
&gt; Best regards,<br>
&gt; Sam,
rn6bn&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="mailto:rn6bn@73.ru" eudora="autourl">mailto:rn6bn@73.ru</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; </blockquote></html>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Aha! Thank you. It is not a matter of changing 
fonts but of my getting some new spectacles.!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>but then again &nbsp;if rn6bn was to use upper 
case...RN6BN&nbsp; would not look like M6BN</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bryan g3gvb (lol) </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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  <A href="mailto:rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be" 
  title=rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be>Rik Strobbe</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 26, 2004 9:05 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: QRV Tonight</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Brian,<BR><BR>in some fonts rn looks very much like m.<BR>Using 
  a larger size might clear up things :<BR><BR><FONT size=7>in some fonts rn 
  looks very much like m.<BR><BR></FONT>73, Rik<BR><BR>At 08:14 26/03/2004 
  +0000, you wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite type="cite">Curiosity has finally overwhelmed my 
    reluctance to appear stupid in public.!<BR>I assumed M plus a digit&nbsp; 
    such as M6&nbsp; was a UK call sign?<BR>Plainly it is in Russia.<BR><BR>Must 
    be in my dotage...nothing's been right since we ran out of G's --- 
    LOL<BR><BR>Bryan<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: rn6bn 
    &lt;rn6bn@73.ru&gt;<BR>To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<BR>Sent: 
    Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:24 PM<BR>Subject: Re: LF: QRV 
    Tonight<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Hello Joe,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I want to try with you 
    QSO so much, but my antenna works on<BR>&gt; 137700 only.<BR>&gt; I shall 
    try only receive you and John.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thursday, March 25, 2004, 
    5:03:50 PM, you wrote:<BR>&gt; JC&gt; In view of Alan's favourable 
    evaluation of the conditions,<BR>&gt; JC&gt; I will be transmitting QRSS20 
    on the hour starting at 2200<BR>&gt; JC&gt; and watching on the half hour at 
    QRSS30 centred on 135.922<BR>&gt; JC&gt; kHz.&nbsp; TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 
    1.6 amps to the single 100 metre<BR>&gt; JC&gt; wire aerial.<BR>&gt; 
    <BR>&gt; JC&gt; Regards<BR>&gt; JC&gt; Joe VO1NA<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -- 
    <BR>&gt; Best regards,<BR>&gt; Sam, 
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    <A href="mailto:rn6bn@73.ru" eudora="autourl">mailto:rn6bn@73.ru</A><BR>&gt; 
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Dear LF Group,

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Can anyone advise me with regard to sound cards for use with ARGO, Spectran
etc ?
 The card built into my computer is very unstable, jumps by 2Hz. Not looking
for stereo surround sound just a good stable card.
73 Laurie G3AQC.




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Dear LF-enthusiasts!

#7 (1130z MAR 26)

MAR 24
We are worked in announced Time-table.
There are no HAM's signals from W.Europe in ours the RX-periods; - ((

MAR 25
We are worked in announced Time-table
Sam's RN6BN signals is OO in QRSS3, but not audible and some QSB.
There are no HAM's signals from W.Europe in ours the RX-periods; - ((

MAR 26-27
The prospective time-table:
(Sunset 0925z - Sunrise 2115z)
0930 - 1700z beacon QRSS120 137.7895 ("UATLE")
1700 - 1740 TX QRSS60 137.7895
1740 - 1840 RX in 60s mode in 705...708
1840 - 1920 TX QRSS60 137.7895
1920 - 2000 RX in 60s mode in 705...708
2000 - 2040 TX QRSS60 137.7895
2040 - 2120 RX in 60s mode in 705...708

Would you like make for us QRSS60 beacons in ours the RX-periods?
... in any case !!
Our the RX-periods:
1740-1840z
1920-2000z
2040-2120z
Our RX freq range: 137.705....708
QRM-lines in UA0LE:
137'705.15, 705.5, 705.8, 706.3, 707.4
Best range - above 137.706 up to 708

UA0LE's QTH coordinates (nr ARTEM to Noth from Vladivostok):
132 12'15" E
43 20'25" N

Now I'm preparing some jpg files from 3rd Rus LF DXpedition for
Dave's G3YXM www page

73! UA0LE's team: Vic UA9OC, Ed RU6LA


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Jim,

> Here are screen shots of "XES" at around 0500utc, and VO1NA around
0520utc.
> Conditions faded out rapidly after this.

Thanks very much to you and to Alan's depleted ions! I originally had no
idea that such things would be possible with my limited setup. Truly
amazing.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES




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 Dear LF Group,

> Jim Moritz said:

> Here are screen shots of "XES" at around 0500utc, and VO1NA around
0520utc.
> Conditions faded out rapidly after this.

The attached shows VO1NA signing with Jim and then switching to QRSS3. The
receiver setup at M0BMU appears considerably better than at G3LDO! You need
a lot of imagination to see XES in my screen shots.
My TS-850 has died and is being fixed and I am using an IC-706 mk1. This
receiver is a bit deaf on this band but should be adequate with a large
antenna. It is all a matter of signals to noise and the noise level is a bit
high here.
Loran from Lessay is very strong and that is why I like QRSS to look between
the Loran lines.
Does anyone think that the Loran signals raises the general noise floor
(between the lines)?

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO



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Peter,

Thanks for the screen shot!  Initially, I agreed with you that XES was not
visible. I then tried an experiment. After the first pint, the "X" was
undeniably there. The second pint produced the "ES" very clearly. Quite
encouraged, I went for another round. At that point, "XES" was superimposed
on a beautiful picture of my very clean shack!

After a necessary trip, I undertook the fourth pint. I cannot really
describe the result adequately, as the brilliant "XES" letters and shack
photo were floating in front of the equations of the Grand Unified Theory.

Such beauty demanded one more round, after which all I could see was a fuzzy
"SK" in Morse, followed by some still fuzzier stuff. I'll try again later
when conditions are better, and the band stops spinning.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES




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Dear Group,

Congrats to John on another cross-pond transmission and to Jim
for copying it and my QRSS3 sigs.  Sigs from Jim and Peter were
very strong but with deep fades during the 2 QSO's.

I will be on again tonight TX/RX QRSS10 this time, TX 2300 2330 0000
RX 2315 2345 0015 etc then a qrss3 beacon at about 0100 if nil.

Thanks to Sam for detecting my sigs also.

Joe



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these shots are fantastic.

My long wire plus Rx/computer system only produces that s/n on UK signals.
Yesterday I built a 20 turn 7 foot sided loop to see how that performed. 
It was about 10dB lower than the longwire. Xatlantic sigals [vo1na] were on
or just above the noise floor and at no stage did a "letter" appear.
James can we have a quick reminder of the set up you used last night.

thanks 
peter G8AFN

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Subject: LF: Re: QRV Tonight - G3YKB, VO1NA, WD2XES


Dear LF Group,

Here are screen shots of "XES" at around 0500utc, and VO1NA around 0520utc.
Conditions faded out rapidly after this.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Joe and John,<BR>
<BR>
this morning's captures showed VO1NA's signal around 4:30, clear but blurred because my settings (21mHz x 15s /pixel) were way too slow. Above it, there are some traces in the noise which could well be from WD2XES; at least the frequencies and direction (bright blue) seem to match. The Loran line near the top is 137778.370 from Sylt. I also looked around 137789.5, but saw nothing there.<BR>
<BR>
Based on the descriptions of your antenna systems, I have tried to compare radiated powers of the two stations. John's loop (A = 50'x30' =279m^2 above conducting ground) should have a radiation resistance of<BR>
 Rr = 16/3 * pi^3 * 377ohm * (A / lambda^2)^2 = 0.21 milliohm.<BR>
Fed with 11.5 A, it would radiate<BR>
 EMRP = Rs * I^2 = 27.6mW (or EDRP = 50mW)<BR>
towards the direction of maximum gain... quite amazing to see that in Europe.<BR>
<BR>
On the other hand, Joe's 100m vertical would ideally have an effective height of 50m. Assuming some reduction for slantness and E-field shunting by trees, h_eff=30m is probably more realistic. Then we would get<BR>
 Rr = 4/3 * pi * 377ohm * (h_eff/lambda)^2 = 294 milliohm<BR>
and, with 1.6 A,<BR>
 EMRP = 750mW,<BR>
about 14 dB stronger than WD2XES. In addition to that, of course, John's path is significantly longer.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for transmitting, and good luck to all<BR>
<BR>
Markus<BR>
DF6NM in JN59NK<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">WD2XES will be on 137.7775 sending "XES" in DFCW60 (0.2 Hz shift), starting<BR>
at 2330. Power will be around 100 watts to a loop, so the customary Divine<BR>
intervention will be required.<BR>
<BR>
John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES<BR>
<BR>
&gt;In view of Alan's favourable evaluation of the conditions,<BR>
&gt;I will be transmitting QRSS20 on the hour starting at 2200<BR>
&gt;and watching on the half hour at QRSS30 centred on 135.922<BR>
&gt;kHz.&nbsp; TX 137.777 kHz 100 watts 1.6 amps to the single 100 metre<BR>
&gt;wire aerial.<BR>
&gt;Regards<BR>
&gt;Joe VO1NA<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Hi Markus I think you misread Joes description of his aerial. It is about
17m high with a single (at present) 100m topload wire ....Heff probably only
16m.

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Hi Uwe,

  thanks for the report. No, I haven't an Audigy on my PC. I have two sound
adapters. One is the mainboard chipset, the NVIDIA Nforce Audio, and the
other one is the Terratec Aureon Sky sound card. This combo is quite useful
e.g. to have Spectran (or any other program) filter the audio, which is 
then rerouted
to the line input of the other card, to be processed with another program,
e.g. a PSK31 or RTTY decoder.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
-------------------------------

jannsen wrote:

>Hi Alberto,
>
>fine software! big step forward. thank you. 
>it is ok with the new SB Audigy 2ZS (guess you use it too).
>
>best regards
>Uwe/dj8wx
>





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Hi Gary,

  thanks for the report. What do you exactly mean when you say that it 
does not
support your sound hardware ? Do you receive error messages ? Or does it 
simply
not work ? Any info can be useful, together with screen shots, if possible.
Please send that as a private message, to not clutter the reflector, thanks.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
-----------------------------------

G4WGT - Gary wrote:

>Hi Alberto & LF Group,
>
>I have downloaded & installed Spectran V 2 & find that it will not support
>the motherboard on board sound hardware which is C-Media AC97 Audio Device,
>Spectrum Lab & Argo are ok. Operating system is Windows 2000 Pro. Any idea's
>?
>





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Walter,

   that should not happen.... what is the speed of your CPU ?
There should not  be any need to stop it first, the program does it
for you. Probably it then restart the sound engine too soon... will 
check that.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
-------------------------------

Walter Blanchard wrote:

>Yes, OK on my three different soundcards (not all in the same cptr!)
>But ------
>On v1 if I changed the sampling rate and/or resolution while it was running
>it didn't seem to mind and kept on running.
>On this one it hangs up and says "Error during out_buffers prepare"
>and that's it so I have re-load.
>Yes, I know it's my ham-fistedness!!!! I shall just have to learn to "stop"
>it first.
>
>Walter G3JKV.
>





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Yes, that ERP looked a bit high.  My guess is about 0.1 watt.
The aerial is a single 100 metre wire that slopes from 3
metres to 25 metres at the far end over its 100 metre span.

The average height is only 15 metres.

I'll be trying the 25 metre tower  this summer.  It is
insulated at the base and presently used for 30-160 m.

Joe

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Alan Melia wrote:

>
> Hi Markus I think you misread Joes description of his aerial. It is about
> 17m high with a single (at present) 100m topload wire ....Heff probably only
> 16m.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
>


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>From Joe...
> I will be on again tonight TX/RX QRSS10 this time, TX 2300 2330 0000
> RX 2315 2345 0015 etc then a qrss3 beacon at about 0100 if nil.

I will move WD2XES to 137.775 tonight to avoid Joe's "fuzziness." 

John Andrews



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John Andrews wrote:

>After a necessary trip, I undertook the fourth pint. I cannot really
>describe the result adequately, as the brilliant "XES" letters and shack
>photo were floating in front of the equations of the Grand Unified Theory
>

John, were you able also to find alternate values for the fine structure 
constant, while you
were contemplating that ?    :-)

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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Alberto,

It's followed by  "Audio output error" so you could be right.
It's a 266 MHz W98 machine.

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Alberto  I2PHD said:


> Hello Group,
>
>   I have uploaded version 2 of Spectran. It has some significant
differences
> with respect to the previous version. To know them go to the weaksignals
> page :
> http://www.weaksignals.com
>
Spectran2 works well on my old HP Omnibook 5700GT laptop with soundcard of
unknown pedigree.

Thank you Alberto

Peter Dodd, G3LDO



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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, John Andrews wrote:

> From Joe...
> > I will be on again tonight TX/RX QRSS10 this time, TX 2300 2330 0000
> > RX 2315 2345 0015 etc then a qrss3 beacon at about 0100 if nil.
>
> I will move WD2XES to 137.775 tonight to avoid Joe's "fuzziness."
>
> John Andrews
>

Interesting how the FFT responds to the increased bandwidth of the
higher speed CW isn't it?  There seems to be a parallel with the
Uncertainty Principle... delta E (frequency) by delta t (time)>hbar/2...
And I haven't even had my first pint yet!

Here's to Alberto's Argo!

Good luck tonight to all.

Joe


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Hi John

On my receiver there is a double fuzzy line between 137774.7 to 137775.2,
but don't know how much of Europe is affected. See

http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/ArgoGrab/Argo_grab.htm

73, Brian CT1DRP





At 16:26 26/03/2004, you wrote:
> >From Joe...
> > I will be on again tonight TX/RX QRSS10 this time, TX 2300 2330 0000
> > RX 2315 2345 0015 etc then a qrss3 beacon at about 0100 if nil.
>
>I will move WD2XES to 137.775 tonight to avoid Joe's "fuzziness."
>
>John Andrews




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>James can we have a quick reminder of the set up you used last night.

>thanks 
>peter G8AFN

Dear Peter, LF Group,

The receiving setup here is the same as it has been for the last couple
of winters - the antenna is a 2m x 2m "bandpass" loop with preamp as
described in the article downloadable from G3YXM's web site -
http://www.wireless.org.uk/bploop.pdf
Also on YXM's site is an article on the "lazy loop",
http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm
which is capable of similar results when used with a fairly big wire
loop.

The loop was aligned to null out Loran noise coming from a SW direction
at my QTH - this also gives optimum pick-up for USA/Canadian sigs coming
from the NW. The TX long wire antenna is not much use on receive here,
due to  the level of 50Hz-related noise it picks up from the house
wiring. The loops are located at the bottom of the garden, which is
electrically the quietest place at my QTH. Audibly, the Loran clatter is
eliminated, although there is quite often still some mains-related noise
present. Using separate RX antennas located in the best available
low-noise site seems to be the factor which has the greatest influence
on results in my case. It does mean I run around in a panic every time a
new buzzing noise appears...

The receiver is an old Racal RA1792, which possesses decent sensitivity
(about 0.1uV for 10dB SNR in 300Hz BW) at 136kHz. The internal OCXO
frequency standard is also very handy for LF narrowband modes. The
sensitivity vs. frequency issue is quite important - O.K., if the
receiver goes deaf at LF you can get the required sensitivity back by
using a bigger antenna, or a preamp. But this will increase the
sensitivity of the system in the MF range, where it is already much
higher than at LF. So it is then important to add sufficient
pre-selection as well as increasing the signal level, in order to avoid
assorted intermods, reciprocal mixing, and cross-modulation due to
broadcast signals. Life is therefore a lot easier if the receiver
sensitivity is fairly constant over the whole LF - HF range, like the
RA1792. Especially if you live in Brookmans Park!

I mostly use DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab for copying QRSS - It is considerably
more complicated to set up and use than Argo, but I like the facility to
change all the display parameters whilst looking at different types of
signal and noise. Having said that, Argo is much simpler for the
operator, and gives just as good results with weak QRSS signals, which
it is optimised for.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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Brian,

> On my receiver there is a double fuzzy line between 137774.7 to 137775.2,
> but don't know how much of Europe is affected. See

Good point. I haven't seen it on anyone else's captures, but I do enjoy
looking at your screens so much that I will come up with another spot. Not
easy to avoid Loran on both sides of the pond!

John Andrews




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James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> Here are screen shots of "XES" at around 0500utc, and VO1NA around 0520utc.
> Conditions faded out rapidly after this.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
Hi Jim,
what line is it below XES ?

I have the same one on my shots btwn 0430 and 0530 UTC.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx  



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many thanks, that gives me some ideas on what to try and acheive.

I have tonight and tomorrow to play around and see if I can do better
thanks peter 
Original Message:
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From: James Moritz J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:31:29 -0000
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Receiving Setup


>James can we have a quick reminder of the set up you used last night.

>thanks 
>peter G8AFN

Dear Peter, LF Group,

The receiving setup here is the same as it has been for the last couple
of winters - the antenna is a 2m x 2m "bandpass" loop with preamp as
described in the article downloadable from G3YXM's web site -
http://www.wireless.org.uk/bploop.pdf
Also on YXM's site is an article on the "lazy loop",
http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm
which is capable of similar results when used with a fairly big wire
loop.

The loop was aligned to null out Loran noise coming from a SW direction
at my QTH - this also gives optimum pick-up for USA/Canadian sigs coming
from the NW. The TX long wire antenna is not much use on receive here,
due to  the level of 50Hz-related noise it picks up from the house
wiring. The loops are located at the bottom of the garden, which is
electrically the quietest place at my QTH. Audibly, the Loran clatter is
eliminated, although there is quite often still some mains-related noise
present. Using separate RX antennas located in the best available
low-noise site seems to be the factor which has the greatest influence
on results in my case. It does mean I run around in a panic every time a
new buzzing noise appears...

The receiver is an old Racal RA1792, which possesses decent sensitivity
(about 0.1uV for 10dB SNR in 300Hz BW) at 136kHz. The internal OCXO
frequency standard is also very handy for LF narrowband modes. The
sensitivity vs. frequency issue is quite important - O.K., if the
receiver goes deaf at LF you can get the required sensitivity back by
using a bigger antenna, or a preamp. But this will increase the
sensitivity of the system in the MF range, where it is already much
higher than at LF. So it is then important to add sufficient
pre-selection as well as increasing the signal level, in order to avoid
assorted intermods, reciprocal mixing, and cross-modulation due to
broadcast signals. Life is therefore a lot easier if the receiver
sensitivity is fairly constant over the whole LF - HF range, like the
RA1792. Especially if you live in Brookmans Park!

I mostly use DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab for copying QRSS - It is considerably
more complicated to set up and use than Argo, but I like the facility to
change all the display parameters whilst looking at different types of
signal and noise. Having said that, Argo is much simpler for the
operator, and gives just as good results with weak QRSS signals, which
it is optimised for.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi Alan and Joe,<BR>
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 tnx for setting me straight about VO1NA's antenna ... yes I had erroneously assumed it was a 100m vertical. Must have been LFers wishful thinking ;-)<BR>
<BR>
All the best + good luck<BR>
Markus<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">... The aerial is a single 100 metre wire that slopes from 3<BR>
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...<BR>
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John
>
> Thanks for the screen shot!  Initially, I agreed with you that XES was not
> visible. I then tried an experiment. After the first pint, the "X" was
> undeniably there. The second pint produced the "ES" very clearly. Quite
> encouraged, I went for another round. At that point, "XES" was
superimposed
> on a beautiful picture of my very clean shack!
>

Most impressed with your Beta testing of the latest signal enhancing
boozware.
I take it that the stuff was home brew!

Peter G3LDO



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi John and LF group,<BR>
<BR>
on 137775.0, there is a Russian Chayka line which can be strong at night, but I have never seen any spread on it. Here is an overview of European Loran-C lines between 137770 and 137782Hz:<BR>
<BR>
GRI 6731 (Lessay):  772.9906, 780.4190,<BR>
GRI 7499 (Sylt):  771.7029, 778.3705,<BR>
GRI 8000 (Northern Russia): 775.0000, 781.2500,<BR>
GRI 9007 (Ejde): 770.6228, 776.1740, 781.7252,<BR>
GRI 7001 (Bo): 773.1753, 780.3171 <BR>
<BR>
73 and best wishes<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
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<BR>
&gt;On my receiver there is a double fuzzy line between 137774.7 to 137775.2,<BR>
&gt;but don't know how much of Europe is affected. See<BR>
<BR>
Good point. I haven't seen it on anyone else's captures, but I do enjoy<BR>
looking at your screens so much that I will come up with another spot. Not<BR>
easy to avoid Loran on both sides of the pond!<BR>
<BR>
John Andrews<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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WD2XES will run on 137.7788 kHz tonight, thereby staying on Brian's screen
and avoiding most of the Loran lines on both sides. DFCW60, dashes 0.2 Hz
higher than the above, starting at 2330 UTC.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
WD2XES Status: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/




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Dear Joe, LF Group,

Glancing occasionally at the screen in passing, I saw several QRSS10 calls
at good strength from VO1NA between about 2300 and 0100utc - have now
changed settings for QRSS3, but nothing seen since 0100. I'll keep looking
for a bit.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi Joe and John,<BR>
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before 0100 ut, a good signal from vo1na, and two very faint traces from wd2xes. Then the noise went up, but chances are things might improve again before sunrise.<BR>
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Hello Jim &LF-group,
is the TX-antenne detuned, while you're receiving on the loop? (so ther is
no nearfield-coupling from the big one to the loop)?

Regards, Peter, dj9dw
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> >James can we have a quick reminder of the set up you used last night.
>
> >thanks
> >peter G8AFN
>
> Dear Peter, LF Group,
>
> The receiving setup here is the same as it has been for the last couple
> of winters - the antenna is a 2m x 2m "bandpass" loop with preamp as
> described in the article downloadable from G3YXM's web site -
> http://www.wireless.org.uk/bploop.pdf
> Also on YXM's site is an article on the "lazy loop",
> http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm
> which is capable of similar results when used with a fairly big wire
> loop.
>
> The loop was aligned to null out Loran noise coming from a SW direction
> at my QTH - this also gives optimum pick-up for USA/Canadian sigs coming
> from the NW. The TX long wire antenna is not much use on receive here,
> due to  the level of 50Hz-related noise it picks up from the house
> wiring. The loops are located at the bottom of the garden, which is
> electrically the quietest place at my QTH. Audibly, the Loran clatter is
> eliminated, although there is quite often still some mains-related noise
> present. Using separate RX antennas located in the best available
> low-noise site seems to be the factor which has the greatest influence
> on results in my case. It does mean I run around in a panic every time a
> new buzzing noise appears...
>
> The receiver is an old Racal RA1792, which possesses decent sensitivity
> (about 0.1uV for 10dB SNR in 300Hz BW) at 136kHz. The internal OCXO
> frequency standard is also very handy for LF narrowband modes. The
> sensitivity vs. frequency issue is quite important - O.K., if the
> receiver goes deaf at LF you can get the required sensitivity back by
> using a bigger antenna, or a preamp. But this will increase the
> sensitivity of the system in the MF range, where it is already much
> higher than at LF. So it is then important to add sufficient
> pre-selection as well as increasing the signal level, in order to avoid
> assorted intermods, reciprocal mixing, and cross-modulation due to
> broadcast signals. Life is therefore a lot easier if the receiver
> sensitivity is fairly constant over the whole LF - HF range, like the
> RA1792. Especially if you live in Brookmans Park!
>
> I mostly use DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab for copying QRSS - It is considerably
> more complicated to set up and use than Argo, but I like the facility to
> change all the display parameters whilst looking at different types of
> signal and noise. Having said that, Argo is much simpler for the
> operator, and gives just as good results with weak QRSS signals, which
> it is optimised for.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>





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Dear Jim,

Thank-you for the report.  Hartmut sent me a copy of
my sigs at QRSS1.  It wasn't clear, but portions of the
call sign could be resolved.

Will try again tonight.

73
Joe




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Dear Joe, LF Group,

I didn't realise at first you were sending at 1 second dot period - so the
signals looked a bit like nondescript smudges of noise until I figured it
out and changed settings. Most of the time copy was only "T/M" but they
peaked up to "O" copy briefly just after 0500 - see attachment.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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> Hello Jim &LF-group,
> is the TX-antenne detuned, while you're receiving on the loop? (so ther is
> no nearfield-coupling from the big one to the loop)?
>
> Regards, Peter, dj9dw

Dear Peter, LF Group,

Yes - The antenna is matched with a series loading coil, and a seperate
matching transformer, connecting to the TX via 50ohm coax. Essentially, the
TX/RX relay open circuits the feed to the antenna, leaving the matching
transformer secondary inductance in series with the loading coil. This adds
several hundred uH to the loading inductance, which seems to be enough to
detune the antenna to the point where it has no detectable effect. If the
transmit antenna is not detuned, it is possible to hear some increase in
50Hz noise on the loop antenna, but the increase is not very dramatic.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Jim and Group,

That was quite an impressive copy Jim.  I believe this is
the first time a full copy past the 1 WPM speed was acheived
on TA LF.  Congrats also to Hartmut for his reception at 0200.

Alan is predicting good condx for a day or so.  I will
call on 137.777 kHz QRSS10 on the hour and half hour,
RX 135.922 QRSS10 on the quarter hour until 0100
then will beacon at 2 WPM (dot 0.5).

73 and thanks
Joe


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Hi all,

I guess it had to happen, captures last night are patchy for UA0LE, mostly
nil, some T, only one period of M, and no O.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Bob - will they be on again tonight? I have been out of the country all week
and last night was my first chance to watch for them. Of course conditions
were just terrible here with a lot of auroral absorption as well. Even the
usual blockbuster NDB signals from central Alaska were not heard.

Steve / VE7SL



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[L.F. Loop] [Tuna Tin DX ] [Crystal Radio DXing] [Maritime/Aero DX]
[136 kHz ] [Boatanchors ] [NDB DX]





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Steve VE7SL,

I think they are on again tonight, and pack up Monday.  Whatever, I'll still
exercise the receiving gear but I guess I don't want to be a charlie by
making a nil report after they have closed down, hi hi.

73, Bob ZL2CA



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Hi Bob you look a bigger charlie if you reported a signal and HAD GONE HOME
!!  :-)) I had a feeling conditions were not quite so good last night, but I
didn't expect it to change so much...good listening Steve
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Steve VE7SL,
>
> I think they are on again tonight, and pack up Monday.  Whatever, I'll
still
> exercise the receiving gear but I guess I don't want to be a charlie by
> making a nil report after they have closed down, hi hi.
>
> 73, Bob ZL2CA
>



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Alan,

> Hi Bob you look a bigger charlie if you reported a signal and HAD GONE
HOME  !!  :-))

Nah, it would be the long path coming through :-)

73, Bob




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Dear LF Group,

Conditions after dark here were poor, with high levels of QRN during
darkness hours. Some copy of VO1NA at QRSS10 speed was seen around 2300, but
otherwise only faint traces of signal were seen during the night.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Some nice pictures from Ed and co.</FONT>

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Hi Jim and the Group. Yes the conditions have deteriorated slightly. The Kp
index rose to 4 late on Saturday, and 5 early today. I think this is ejecta
from the C-Class flares a few days ago. Strangely the Dst index "rose" in
advance though not by an amount I thought significant...it went from -1
to -14 on the 26th.  Life will get a bit more difficuly for me now, as Kyoto
Univ have removed their Dst estimates from general view today....hopefully
it is only temporary.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com

----- Original Message -----
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> Conditions after dark here were poor, with high levels of QRN during
> darkness hours. Some copy of VO1NA at QRSS10 speed was seen around 2300,
but
> otherwise only faint traces of signal were seen during the night.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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Dear LF-enthusiasts!

#8 (15z MAR 28, Taganrog)

MAR 27
We are worked in announced Time-table up to 13z.
After 13z tried to make 2-way QSO with RX9BS - without success.
1700-1740z - beacon QRSS60 "UATLE"
1740-1840 RX in QRSS60 137,705... 708 - without success.
1840-1930 beacon QRSS60 "UATLE"
1930z 3rd Rus LF DXpedition OFF

MAR 28 at 13z I have come back in Taganrog.
The report on experiments and results of 3rd Rus LF DXexpedition I shall
do later.

The part of the equipment is left in Vladivostok for development
136kHz band on russian Far East.

TNX by all for efforts, info and support!

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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MarkusVester@aol.com schrieb:
> Hi John and LF group,
>
> on 137775.0, there is a Russian Chayka line which can be strong at night, but 
> I have never seen any spread on it. Here is an overview of European Loran-C 
> lines between 137770 and 137782Hz:
>
> GRI 6731 (Lessay):  772.9906, 780.4190,
> GRI 7499 (Sylt):  771.7029, 778.3705,
> GRI 8000 (Northern Russia): 775.0000, 781.2500,
> GRI 9007 (Ejde): 770.6228, 776.1740, 781.7252,
> GRI 7001 (Bo): 773.1753, 780.3171 
>
> 73 and best wishes
> Markus, DF6NM

Hi Markus and group,

here - jo43sv - are the four lines from Lessay and Sylt visible. 
no lines from other Loran-C stations btwn 770 and 779 although Slonim/Bryansk 
are ZOA with outstanding power (1150kW) compared with Lessay (250kW).
do you receive Boe or Ejde ? 

regards
Uwe/dj8wx
 



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Hello !

Beacon test my equipments today.
Mode - QRSS30 (SlowCW)
TX frequency ~137702 Hz
PA=1Watt - output power.
Test time - 16UTC 29/3 -> 04UTC 30/3

-- 
Best regards,
Sam, RN6BN                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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Hi all.

ARRL have made a news item of the ZM2E and UA0LE LF QSO.  It can be found at
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Dear LF Group,

in attach is UA0LE's TX antenna on 136kHz.

The thin wire (CuL 0.5mm diameter) is attached to a polyprophilene cord
by a diameter 3mm

+ 3 radials abt 500m long wire CuL 0.5mm

Power abt 90...100w Output  -> 1.8 - 2.4A in ANT

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru
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Spectran V2 build 212 has been just uploaded to the weaksignals site :
http://www.weaksignals.com

It has a few changes and corrections, thanks to the first reports received
by downloaders of build 210. A special thankyou to Johan Bodin
for the collaborative spirit demonstrated, and for the extensive tests.

73  Alberto  I2PHD





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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 11:55 PM
Subject: LF: WD2XES 137.7788


> WD2XES will run on 137.7788 kHz tonight, thereby staying on Brian's screen
> and avoiding most of the Loran lines on both sides. DFCW60, dashes 0.2 Hz
> higher than the above, starting at 2330 UTC.
Hi John
Are u running xes every night or just the odd time. I have been away for a
while but back agn and will listen when possible if u are on.
What type of tx antenna are u using.


73 de Mal/G3KEV

>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
> WD2XES Status: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/
>
>
>
>



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Mal,

> Are u running xes every night or just the odd time. I have been away for a
> while but back agn and will listen when possible if u are on.
> What type of tx antenna are u using.

Just odd times at this point, but I do post them here. Assuming that the
ionosphere continues to settle down, I may run it again in a couple of days.
The antenna is is a vertical loop with 100 watts or so, representing quite a
challenge for TA. The terms of the experimental license do not allow for
Amateur QSO's, so this is a one-way proposition.

John Andrews, W1TAG




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Hi all.<br><br>
This has all the hallmarks of the w32.netsky.d@mm mass-mailing
worm.<br><br>
See:
<a href="http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.netsky.d@mm.html" eudora="autourl">http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.netsky.d@mm.html</a><br><br>
73<br><br>
Andrew<br>
G8AXO<br>
--------------<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>It looks likely Hugh....I got a
stange pif document that had been posted to<br>
the &quot;outbox&quot; at blacksheep.org ....I have alerted John...Dave
might be wise<br>
to do a scan on his machine<br><br>
Cheers Alan G3NYK<br><br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: &quot;Hugh M0WYE&quot; &lt;m0wye@thersgb.net&gt;<br>
To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<br>
Sent: 03 March 2004 11:31<br>
Subject: LF: Re: Your software from G3XYM - virus ?<br><br>
<br>
&gt; Hi All,<br>
&gt; The posting with the subject &quot;Re: Your software&quot;,
purporting to come from<br>
&gt; 'XYM looks a bit dodgy to me.<br>
&gt; There is no text in the E-mail and it contains a .pif attachment,
which I<br>
&gt; think is some kind of executable.<br>
&gt; Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you can't be too careful these
days.<br>
&gt; 73<br>
&gt; Hugh M0WYE<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
<font face="Sprint SF" size=4 color="#0000FF">Andrew Nunn<br><br>
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England<br>
Tel/Fax: 01728 830462 International: +44 1728 830462<br>
Mobile: 07753 840173<br><br>
All outgoing e-mails scanned with Norton AntiVirus Professional
Edition<br>
using virus definitions dated 02/03/2004<br><br>
There are 10 kinds of people, those that understand binary and those that
don't <br><br>
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No virus found in this incoming message.<BR>
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Hi all, and Dick and Sam.....Yes Joe was a very good signal here last night.
My first sight was at about 2315z despite heavy local noise which reduced a
normal "O" copy to "M". By about 0100z the copy was "O" despite the noise.
I then have "O" call strings on every screen, even through a fade at 0300z
right through  to morning noise return at 0600z (my neighbour goes to work)
There is a visible "T" streak even through that The last "VO" is just
visible at 0830z. Best strength here was between 0400 and 0600z.

I was expecting a possible degradation in signals last night, but it seems
as though they may have been boosted. The Geomagnetic activity only reached
Kp=5 and the Dst index was not greatly increased (depressed if you regard it
as a negative value)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com




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It looks likely Hugh....I got a stange pif document that had been posted to
the "outbox" at blacksheep.org ....I have alerted John...Dave might be wise
to do a scan on his machine

Cheers Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh M0WYE" <m0wye@thersgb.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 03 March 2004 11:31
Subject: LF: Re: Your software from G3XYM - virus ?


> Hi All,
> The posting with the subject "Re: Your software", purporting to come from
> 'XYM looks a bit dodgy to me.
> There is no text in the E-mail and it contains a .pif attachment, which I
> think is some kind of executable.
> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you can't be too careful these days.
> 73
> Hugh M0WYE
>
>
>



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very quiet on here....
I'll put the grabber on this weekend. http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/
Dave G3YXM



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Damn clever these viruses, they send e-mails without your machine being
switched on! ;-)
Yes it did look like Netsky, mails with that one seem to total about 25k.
What has to be borne in mind is that the "From" address on the virus mail is
as bogus as the Subject, it is picked at random from the affected machine's
address book. As most of us don't tend to have our own address in our
address books it seems that whoever appears to have sent the mail is
probably the least likely one to have actually done it!
Who'd be daft enough to run a ".pif" attachment anyway? Surely no-one on
this list???

Dave (computer in perfect health) G3YXM.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Nunn
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Your software from G3XYM - virus ?


Hi all.

This has all the hallmarks of the w32.netsky.d@mm mass-mailing worm.

See:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.netsky.d@mm.html

73

Andrew
G8AXO
--------------

It looks likely Hugh....I got a stange pif document that had been posted to
the "outbox" at blacksheep.org ....I have alerted John...Dave might be wise
to do a scan on his machine

Cheers Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh M0WYE" <m0wye@thersgb.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 03 March 2004 11:31
Subject: LF: Re: Your software from G3XYM - virus ?


> Hi All,
> The posting with the subject "Re: Your software", purporting to come from
> 'XYM looks a bit dodgy to me.
> There is no text in the E-mail and it contains a .pif attachment, which I
> think is some kind of executable.
> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you can't be too careful these days.
> 73
> Hugh M0WYE
>
>
>
Andrew Nunn

1 Andrew Close, Leiston, Suffolk, IP16 4LE, England
Tel/Fax: 01728 830462 International: +44 1728 830462
Mobile: 07753 840173

All outgoing e-mails scanned with Norton AntiVirus Professional Edition
using virus definitions dated 02/03/2004

There are 10 kinds of people, those that understand binary and those that
don't




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Dear LF-enthusiasts!

Wednesday, March 3, 2004 DK1IS wrote:

TK> preparing for your DXpedition to the Far East:

TK> Do you know about any LF stations (radio, NDB, time signal) on the way 
TK> to Vladivostok which could serve as propagation indicators for the 
TK> Europeans?

SRI... but I yet do not know any LF's stations in Vladivostok's area.
Now has set such question to Mike UA0MF in Vladivostok - QRX pse...
The nearest LF broadcasting stations are absent.

I also have difficulties to define ONE TX freq during all period of
expedition - there are variants 137.600, 137.700, abt 137.773 or
137.7895 (near ZL6QH beacon's freq 137.7890/137.7886 at March 19-20).

What is the best RX freq for all(Eu, ZLs, Noth America, As) simultaneously
for reception UA0LE ?

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/3/04 11:45:16 AM GMT Standard Time, Alan.Melia@btinternet.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj: <B>LF: Re: Re: Your software from G3XYM - virus ? </B><BR>
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 From: <A HREF="mailto:Alan.Melia@btinternet.com">Alan.Melia@btinternet.com</A><BR>
 Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A><BR>
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<BR>
<BR>
It looks likely Hugh....I got a stange pif document that had been posted to<BR>
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to do a scan on his machine<BR>
<BR>
Cheers Alan G3NYK<BR>
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Hi All,
The posting with the subject "Re: Your software", purporting to come from
'XYM looks a bit dodgy to me.
There is no text in the E-mail and it contains a .pif attachment, which I
think is some kind of executable.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you can't be too careful these days.
73
Hugh M0WYE




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Sam

An excellent copy.  Thanks to you, Alan, G3NYK and
Dick PA0SE for their reports  also.

Joe VO1NA

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, rn6bn wrote:

> Hi!
> Today receive VO1NA 4 times.
> This picture best.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru


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Hi,

I just found that AADE's filter design software has changed
from "payware" to freeware. This is a really nice tool for
passive filter design. It even does crystal filters!

http://www.aade.com/

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Only for test several days.

Window of my receiver on 137777
http://iq.73.ru/capt.jpg

Refresh the picture each 10 minutes.
Pictures refresh for on your computer please press to REFRESH.

-- 
Best regards,
Sam, rn6bn         KN95LC           mailto:rn6bn@73.ru




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Hi!
Today receive VO1NA 4 times.
This picture best.

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Sam, rn6bn                            mailto:rn6bn@73.ru
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TNX Alan.
AM> Hi Sam you must limit the total message size to around 30kB for it all to
AM> pass through the reflector.
AM> Cheers de Alan G3NYK

First signal I have received a visit at 02:10 GMT ,
but from for QRN bad were read.
QRN last several days.
My RX-antenna - Inv L, 45m vertical and 80m horizontal.

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First signal I have received a visit at 02:10 GMT ,
but from for QRN bad were read.
QRN last several days.
My RX-antenna - Inv L, 45m vertical and 80m horizontal.

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Hi Alan,

First, my apologies for taking so long to answer.

Second, my apologies for not understanding what you meant by
'keyed oscillator'.

I think that the LC oscillator has to be quite stable, unless
there is a good way to see and compensate the drift in software.
Suppose that the oscillator is gated on for 100 milliseconds,
and the software just averages the beat phase over that interval.
Then a 5 Hz oscillator offset would result in a 90 degree error
in the reference.  If the gate is on for only a few milliseconds,
that effect is minimized, but then the beep isn't much better
than what you get by feeding the 1 pps directly to the antenna input.

I once modified an RX for external locking, by using a PLL to
generate the same frequency as its reference crystal, and
injection locking via a gimmick wire glued to the RX PCB.
The good news is that the receiver would then still work with
the external box disconnected.  The bad news is that not all
LO frequencies came from this reference, so the stability was
improved, but still quite imperfect.

73,

Stewart


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:41 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: WOLF development


> Hi Stewart,.......answer below...sent direct
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stewart Nelson" <sn@scgroup.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 25 February 2004 07:42
> Subject: LF: Re: WOLF development
> 
> 
> > Your keyed oscillator idea is interesting, but it appears to
> > introduce another unknown.  For example, if the 136 kHz oscillator
> > drifted up 0.01 Hz, it would affect the audio in the same way
> > as the receiver LO drifting down 0.01 Hz.  One way to resolve
> > this ambiguity would be to digitally divide the 136 kHz into
> > the audio range, and feed that into the sound card, too.
> > Do you have a simpler solution?
> >
> I suspect you have "forgotten" the properties of a keyed oscillator in this
> application. If the 136khz oscillator is stopped and re-started by the 1pps
> signal it will lock and not drift. I agree that if just the oscillator
> output is keyed  (so the whole comb drifts as well) then the osc drift will
> be a variable, but the keyed oscillator becomes a locked comb-generator.
> (Tube technology revisited !!) Thus it should be possible to construct this
> as an LC oscillator. I have not done the maths but I suspect that the
> smallscale sawtooth FSK created by the drift during the interval between
> locking pulses will "spread" the line a little, but averaging should be able
> to remove this satisfactorily.
> 
> My LF RXs (AOR 7030 s ) whilst stable (TCXO), have no facility to feed in an
> external standard. The TCXO is a "funny frequency" too.
> 
> Fascinating stuff.
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> alan.melia@btinternet.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Think you're right.  On my other non-firewall protected machine it tried to
keep downloading even after I disconnected.  Only stopped once I'd gone
through task manager.  File deleted untouched.

I got an acknowledgement sent to this address a couple of days ago from
someone I'd never heard of stating that an attachment was trapped out by
their (firewall) - needless to say I'd never sent it.   As this system has
incredibly high levels of protection in it, could obviously not have been
anything actually sent from here.

Andy  G4JNT

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 2004 March 03 11:32
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Hi All,
The posting with the subject "Re: Your software", purporting to come from
'XYM looks a bit dodgy to me.
There is no text in the E-mail and it contains a .pif attachment, which I
think is some kind of executable.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you can't be too careful these days.
73
Hugh M0WYE



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Hello Ed,

I think that most of the European LF-DXers will agree: you should not 
use 137.700 for your transmissions! It will hardly be possible to keep 
this frequency clear from inter-european short range traffic during your 
trip - sorry to say that.

Vy 73
Tom, DK1IS

Ed Lesnichy schrieb:

>Dear LF-enthusiasts!
>
>Wednesday, March 3, 2004 DK1IS wrote:
>
>TK> preparing for your DXpedition to the Far East:
>
>TK> Do you know about any LF stations (radio, NDB, time signal) on the way 
>TK> to Vladivostok which could serve as propagation indicators for the 
>TK> Europeans?
>
>SRI... but I yet do not know any LF's stations in Vladivostok's area.
>Now has set such question to Mike UA0MF in Vladivostok - QRX pse...
>The nearest LF broadcasting stations are absent.
>
>I also have difficulties to define ONE TX freq during all period of
>expedition - there are variants 137.600, 137.700, abt 137.773 or
>137.7895 (near ZL6QH beacon's freq 137.7890/137.7886 at March 19-20).
>
>What is the best RX freq for all(Eu, ZLs, Noth America, As) simultaneously
>for reception UA0LE ?
>
>73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru
>
>
>
>  
>



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Dear Ed,

preparing for your DXpedition to the Far East:

Do you know about any LF stations (radio, NDB, time signal) on the way 
to Vladivostok which could serve as propagation indicators for the 
Europeans?

Best luck for your plan es hpe to cuagn!
Tom, DK1IS



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Yes, my server trapped it as a virus and deleted it.

Walter G3JKV.



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