From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39354 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 23:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 23:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 30086 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 23:34:18 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 23:34:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaNwn-0007iD-H6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:34:17 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaNwY-00073T-CZ for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:34:02 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaNwX-00073K-RQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:34:01 +0000 Received: from [213.122.186.168] (helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AaNwX-0006SR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:34:01 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000001c3ccd1$fb2a7240$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7f.40e71d3a.2d1f5b34@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:34:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: CFH strong Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Markus, yes it started good here too, but has faded down now (2300z). Last night CFH was quite good. We have had about 11 days since the last minor storms and a few days of Kp<4 so I think whilst there is a fair bit of multipath, the absorption has decreased quite a bit. Also for anyone interested in MW BC station KN4LF has a comprehensive Propagation Page covering these frequencies up to top-band. http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm Things certainly do seem to be improving up there too. CFH is still visible in daytime here but this may just be that the solar radiation is weak on the path at this time of year and the absorbing material is not building up during the day. So its leaving a clearer path to the "reflection layer" Good Luck to any ZL6QH hunters......nothing seen here last night It would seem that around 0730 might be the best chance in the UK. My loop is pointing N-S in the vain hope ..... Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 27 December 2003 22:01 Subject: LF: CFH strong Hi group, good transatlantic condx: CFH is unusually strong, about 32 dBµV/m at 21:50, and noise is relatively low. 73 Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22378 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 12:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 12:30:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 49929 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 12:30:37 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 12:30:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaDaW-000CsT-Nd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:30:36 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaDZz-0004pg-Hk for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:30:03 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaDZz-0004pX-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:30:03 +0000 Received: from [81.135.46.149] (helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AaDZy-0002Np-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:30:02 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <001001c3cc75$30024180$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <315530-220031262795751904@M2W039.mail2web.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:30:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QH rx tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Peter the RTTY signal is CFH which straddles 137.000 with a nominal 82Hz shift but it is very difficult to get an accurate cal from that (the shift on a waterfall looks more like 78Hz). If you dont have them, I can send you a list of Lessay Loran-C lines in the area of the QH transmissions. If your cal is a long way out (10s of Hz you can usually id the error by ID-ing lines by the frequency difference) The Lessay lines will be fairly strong in daylight. Cal should be possible to around 0.1Hz that way. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 27 December 2003 09:57 Subject: LF: QH rx tests seasons greetings to all on the list. thought I would do some listening / looking for QRSS need to calibtate RX for 137.7890 and 137.700 . last summer RX appeared to be off frequency by 20/30 hz can see Rtty signal with tones at 136.970 and 137.040 this morning. can someone please advise the exact frequencies they are on so I can calibrate system. Are there a couple of loran lines to calibrate on closer in to the operating frequency of QH when Argo is set to 60 sec mode. thanks peter g8afn -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53305 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 23:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 23:37:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 90053 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 23:37:29 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 23:37:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aa1WK-000NJf-IS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:37:28 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa1W3-0001TB-VY for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:37:11 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa1W3-0001T2-DE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:37:11 +0000 Received: from [213.122.15.123] (helo=Main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1Aa1W2-0002ma-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:37:10 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <004301c3cc09$2cc84440$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:37:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Rx sessions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Laurence, CFH was good over Christmas Eve/morning but went off last night (25/26) just after midnight. Conditions can get better yet but they may not be too bad at present. Your path to Europe will probably recover earlier than the more southerly T/A paths. Congrats on copying QH it shows signals are getting around on LF. There was a little solar flare activity today ( an M1.5 and a C8) but the geomag Kp Index is stil hovering around 2-3 which looks promising. Good Luck all Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ---- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: Sent: 26 December 2003 22:53 Subject: LF: Rx sessions > Receive opportunities > > Ive got 135,921- 135,923.5 (dot 60), > 137,777-781 (dot30), > 137,7725-137,775 (dot 60) > 137,778-7995 (dot 120) windows open for receive at the moment - > > good CW strength from DCF39 at 1400 AK local, 2300Z but no web window open > on this channel as out of the rx passband. > > Still blowing and digging snow.... XDW still off. > > > Laurence KL1X > -10F clear. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 12/04/2007 19:58 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11444 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 00:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 00:36:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 79625 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 00:36:15 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 00:36:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZJU6-000KbW-A3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:36:14 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZJTV-00072V-CO for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:35:37 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZJTU-00072M-JJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:35:36 +0000 Received: from [213.122.11.246] (helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AZJTT-0001KW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:35:36 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <003101c3ca7f$42d94b20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031224113817.0381be40@POP3.freeler.nl> <004101c3ca6c$58838980$5ace28c3@erica> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:34:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Rope Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi both, could I ask if the said insulator is fitted with an "anti-corona" ring. Severe changes in direction of the wire can produce quite high voltage gradients, even when not at the end of the run. Another thought is to series connect....ie put a "egg" in the short rope length. This will be effective if it is a "leakage" current but not if it is corona, which can act rather like a small blow-torch. This is why it pits the surface of the insulators. Cheers and Happy Christmas de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3ldo" To: Sent: 24 December 2003 22:17 Subject: LF: Re: Rope > Dick Rollema said > ----------------------- > Starting transmitting the aerial ammeter swayed wildly and I heard a > disturbing noise outside. It appeared that one half of the aerial had come > down. > It turned out that one hoisting rope had been burned through where it had > passed the pulley. Between the pulley and the "pyrex" insulator had been > some 15cm of rope. But it had been raining for several days and the rope > bust have been soaking wet. See the attachments; the top end of the rope was > on the pulley > > I intend to replace the rope and to insert extra ceramic insulators of the > dog bone type as I have supplied to several British amateurs (they come from > the closed down "Radio Kootwijk" commercial PTT-station). > > ----------------------- > > I have had this trouble even when using Dick's "Radio Kootwijk" insulators. > It only seems to happen where there is a short length of insulated rope > between the insulator and the support. What seems to happen is that the > insulator eventually becomes dirty (in my case covered with a thin film of > salt). This, together with wet weather conditions, produces a conduction > path that can carbonise the short rope support. The fix is to use copper > wire between the insulator and the support fixing point. > After a storm at sea I have seen blue spark tracts running along the salt > coated insulator but this arrangement has not failed. However the insulator > should be cleaned because such sparking causes minor damage to the surface > of the insulator. > > The problem reported by Dick doesn't seem to happen where there is a long > rope from the insulator to the support structure. > > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82301 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 21:49:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 1707 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 21:49:10 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 21:49:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYuOq-000098-0v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:49:08 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYuOQ-00039Q-By for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:48:42 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYuOP-00039H-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:48:41 +0000 Received: from [213.122.54.105] (helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AYuOP-0006ng-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:48:41 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000801c3c99e$b0e4b460$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:49:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: insulators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Eric Mica probably ok in compression but I would have worries about it taking the strain of the wire. Also might not rain get into it and crack it in the frost?? It sounds too good to waste. Cheers de Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: Sent: 23 December 2003 21:12 Subject: Re: LF: Re: insulators > Hi, > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Eric KD5UWL wrote: > > > I found some mica sheets today, about 10cm square and 7mm thick... > > ...then again, these may be too brittle and prone to cleave -- I don't > know. I'll certainly check it out and post a message if it works well for > me -- or is an utter disaster. > > Eric > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70729 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 20:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 20:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 10324 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 20:37:09 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 20:37:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYtHA-0002Zf-Mf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:37:08 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYtGg-0001wF-Lj for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:36:38 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYtGf-0001w6-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:36:38 +0000 Received: from [213.122.6.13] (helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AYtGf-0005wi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:36:37 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000101c3c994$9e8895c0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:15:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: insulators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Eric I am not sure about dacron.....but it might not be the conduction through the water laden "rope" it might be that you have a corona problem. At that power level its like playing a small flame on the support structure, then once there is a bit of carbonisation its all "downhill". Do you have circular "corona rings" at every wire end and sharp bend?? I think this will help a lot. The guys here have used all sorts of plastic off-cuts for insulators....down to old tooth brush handles (!!) at 600W or so. Any plastic can carbonise but its a lot lighter than pyrex or ceramic Cheers de ALan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: Sent: 23 December 2003 17:48 Subject: LF: insulators > The new XFX flattop is coming together. Where the flattop wires connect > to the aluminum spreaders I need some insulators. With lower power I've > used electric fence insulators, but I'm afraid that won't be enough here. > I've considered using these insulators anyway, attaching the flattop wires > to the insulators, and then the insulators to the spreaders using some > kind of fiber (dacron, etc), but I'm afraid that when this gets wet I'll > be in trouble. > > What about using monofilament at this point? Seems like I once read > someone having success using heavy weedeater line, saying that it doesn't > hold water like some kind of rope would. > > Has anyone tried this? How does it stand up to the sun? Any better > suggestions? > > 73 > Eric > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40060 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 22:41:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 22:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 90801 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 22:41:00 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 22:40:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYCFv-000NVV-FE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:40:59 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYCFM-00053u-Pz for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:40:24 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYCFM-00053l-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:40:24 +0000 Received: from [213.122.28.67] (helo=Main) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AYCFL-0006iZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:40:23 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000401c3c813$6dbc59e0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <145.1f176316.2d175c44@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:40:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: XDW tripping in the snow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi John ....now we know that Moose ain't a moose, its a recalcitant reindeer.....in plain clothes!! Cheers and Happy Christmas De Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 21 December 2003 20:27 Subject: Re: LF: XDW tripping in the snow > In a message dated 12/21/03 7:22:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com writes: > > > We are due to return to Anchorage by midnite 24th > > Hmm. Someone with a keen interest in transpolar matters, planning a return > to a cold, snowy place by midnight on the 24th. Wouldn't be to pick up a sack > of toys and a sleigh, by any chance? > > John D. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12749 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 44237 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:08:45 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:08:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AXUfk-000BOq-5l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:08:44 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AXUf6-0002Mj-32 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:08:04 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AXUf5-0002Ma-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:08:03 +0000 Received: from [213.122.62.141] (helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AXUf4-0003l5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:08:02 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <001501c3c68d$586f8da0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:07:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re PWR CHECK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Uwe if I am to duplicate your aerial i need to know some more detailed dimensions. Most is clear but could you just indicate the dimension of a most important part............the "chicken foot " :-)) Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54894 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 10:36:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 10:36:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2485 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2003 10:36:42 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 10:36:32 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASZgZ-0005ql-N9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:29:15 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASZgZ-0005qc-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:29:15 +0000 Received: from dial81-135-30-160.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.135.30.160] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1ASZgY-0007Db-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:29:14 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000001c3bbe3$ad028660$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:27:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PL259s again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Peter, that was an interetsing selection of ideas. I think they all refer to the use of PL259s with UR67 or RG213 half-inch stuff. Unfortunately there isnt and easily available ferrule-fit plug for that cable size so those techniques still need to be used. We tried in the mid 90s to get a supply of them, from MaCom but they would only supply a distibutor who would buy a minimum of 1000 (or was it 5000) RS said there was "no call for it" and likewise Farnell. I believe the one-off distributor price would have been in the region of £8-£9 each.....we used N-types and where necessary adapters. I think John was interested in RG-58 fitting plugs where the clamp type are readily available. Radio is bad enough to have to cart into caves without having to deal with unweildy UR-67 /RG213 !! He needs to fit "existing equipment" which must be compatible amongst Cave Rescue groups, nationally and internationally so changing connectors is not an option. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63714 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:18:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:18:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 100 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:18:23 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:18:15 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASIdx-0007yi-EZ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:17:25 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASIdw-0007yZ-S6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:17:24 +0000 Received: from host213-122-196-23.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.196.23] helo=Main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1ASIdv-00016S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:17:23 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000e01c3bb4b$2cde18c0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:53:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re PL259s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Jim, you forgot the straw and camel droppings in the list of materials to cast a "shiny" PL259. I have a feeling the difficulty soldering is the much vaunted nickel plating. The MaCom version that Harry does is robust. I spent about 10 years recently with a PMR firm fitting, amongst other users, Taxis and farm tractors with PMR. We were forever having trouble with the cheapies about 6 months after fitting, often sooner in the tractors. When we started fitting good ones, I can never remember having to replace one. In fact I used to scrounge the second-hand ones for personal use. We used to buy from ITT at Harlow now Arrow....or have they been sold again.....or closed The popularity is purely cost. I remeber getting a lovely Collins coax relay relay with 2 N-types and a BNC (for the rx) in about 1962. I went to a little store (the name Able rings a bell....my life) just in the fork of the Edgeware road and the Harrow Road a few shops down from Smiths. He wanted £6 for N-types then, which I could not afford, but he did me a second hand BNC for £2 !! I replaced the N bulhead fitting sockets with SO239s and used it for many years at HF. Good quality UHF connectors were still readily available on WWII surplus equipment. In those days UHF connectors (haha) were regarded as showing that it was 'real' radio equipement. I remember when I bought and built an Heathkit HW100 kit in 1968 it had an RCA Phono connector as the aerial socket !! for 100 watts of RF. (replaced with an SO239) This was a time when most homebrew gear used Belling-Lee TV connectors...which cost about 1/6d ...or 7.5p in funny money. The inflow of the Japanese rigs made the "UHF" connector popular, but CB sealed its fate with the really tatty connectors and coax to match. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75815 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 12:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 12:57:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 23992 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2003 12:57:54 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 12:57:10 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARWY7-0006FO-S4 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:56:11 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARWY7-0006FF-FP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:56:11 +0000 Received: from dial81-135-38-33.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.135.38.33] helo=Main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1ARWXM-0007Ed-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 12:55:25 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000d01c3b99c$b40b9300$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:54:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Spam.....sad... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, I dont know whether it has occured to anyone else but I find it sad that "Spam" has generated more messages on this reflector recently than LF activity. Where are all the LF users?? Its no use saying you've worked everybody because if the band isnt active then new stations will not be encouraged to try it. Maybe 136 is doomed to the same fate as 73kHz ?? Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42040 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 11:08:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 11:08:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 12171 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 11:08:53 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 11:06:51 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AQlp6-00076u-AU for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:02:36 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AQlp5-00076l-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:02:35 +0000 Received: from host213-122-116-224.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.116.224] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AQlp4-0005dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:02:34 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <003401c3b7fa$a01a6fe0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FCB07EA.8688D77D@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:01:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Rich and Tom, as far as I am aware Joe VO1NA was not active last night. At least he does not appear on my overnight screen grabs. Conditions do seem to be improving. I dont think there are any continous "beacons" in Europe Tom. The only 24 hour operations are the three FCC Part 5 stations detailed in my recent posting (non have been heard in Europe yet). The frequencies are as accurate as known at the time. Additionally Gary G4WGT has been active on 137.777 during the weekend evenings on 3 sec mode. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kölpin Thomas" To: Sent: 01 December 2003 09:20 Subject: LF: Beacon List > Dear LF group, > > is there anybody who has a complete list of amateur radio beacon > stations that are actually active in the LF band 135.7 - 137.8 kHz, > especially in the uppermost 100 Hz area? In the past there were a lot of > announcements on the reflector but due to other work I am not up to date > in this field. It would be great to have callsign, locator, frequency, > transmitting mode and time table to support ones imagination while > gazing upon the overnight argo files. > > Perhaps even the operators themselves could pass on this informations > once more to the reflector and someone could put it on his homepage > (sorry I do not have one). Or better yet, is there a data pool already > available somewhere where I could get this information? > > Thank you for your efforts, vy 73 es cuagn on LF! > > Tom, DK1IS > JN59WK > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16017 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 15:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 15:36:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 27529 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 15:36:29 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 15:36:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aacxu-000736-E3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:36:26 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AacwO-0006Fs-2b for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:34:52 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsrelay01.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AacwK-0006FV-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:34:48 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 15:34:17 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.38.68.203] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 115HLbPIN0080M29; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:34:13 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.38.68.203 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FEEF805.3020704@usa.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:34:29 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <31.425fc1cf.2d1f581b@aol.com> In-reply-to: <31.425fc1cf.2d1f581b@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re:: Sat-TV timebase Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.3 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Thanks Markus for the detailed info about your observations.
Giving that both ZDF and 3sat are available here only via a satellite link, I think that
the GPS 1pps way is still the better to follow. I just wanted to avoid to install a fixed
GPS antenna on my roof, but it looks like I will have to.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:
Hi Alberto and LF group,

the Astra downlink I observed was analog FM (10964MHz horizontal). The satellite signal was an exact, but delayed replica, with apparently no buffering. The only problem is that the path delay has some daily Doppler variation due to the small excentricity and inclination of the not-quite geostationary orbit. During my comparisons in November 2001, this shift amounted up to about 50µs peak-peak over 24h. Furthermore, the time-shift is not easily predictable, as tidal effects and occasional correction maneuvers cause a day-to-day variation in the orbital parameters. - If you can receive terrestrial ZDF, one very crude but enlightening experiment is to simply combine the two video sources via different resistors and watch the weaker signal's sync-bar wander across the screen in the course of a day.
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14360 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:00:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 78920 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:00:12 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:00:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaLXe-000KNm-MD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:00:10 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaLXO-0004Ru-Pb for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:59:54 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsrelay03.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaLXL-0004Rl-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:59:51 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:59:29 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.38.71.179] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 427HLAu8A0170M29; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:59:26 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.38.71.179 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FEDF2BD.10206@usa.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:59:41 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f1.163ec2c5.2d1f01c1@aol.com> <3FEDCCA2.8080709@usa.net> <3FEDE215.2000900@virgin.net> In-reply-to: <3FEDE215.2000900@virgin.net> Subject: LF: Re: 60kHz: JJY and WWWB visible behind MSF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Stewart Bryant wrote: > I am fairly certain that this is a digital service, in which case there > is going to be an MPEG encoder/decoder in the way, and that does not > have the same constraints on accuracy that an analogue system has. Well, while ZDF will for sure be present also on some digital channel, the one I do receive is via an analogue receiver, from the Astra satellite. Do I have any hope ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 36550 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 18:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 18:17:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 39376 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 18:17:20 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 18:17:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaJ03-000A7p-9S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:17:19 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaIzl-00022G-8c for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:17:01 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.111] (helo=cmsrelay02.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaIzh-000227-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:16:57 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 18:16:55 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.38.71.179] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 385HLAsq10303M29; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:16:52 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.38.71.179 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FEDCCA2.8080709@usa.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:17:06 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f1.163ec2c5.2d1f01c1@aol.com> In-reply-to: <1f1.163ec2c5.2d1f01c1@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: 60kHz: JJY and WWWB visible behind MSF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET,HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:
Hi LF group,

in the gaps of the MSF timecode on 60kHz, it is possible to observe signal strength and phase progression of DX time stations JJY (Japan) and WWVB (Colorado) in Europe. You can find details of the experiment and a comment on ZDF TV-timebase jitter on

http://members.aol.com/df6nm/MSFgaps.htm
Markus
  do you (or anybody else) know if the re-broadcasting of ZDF via the Astra satellite keeps
the timebase accuracy, or some frame buffer is inserted in between, that would of course
ruin that precison ?   Thanks

73  Alberto  I2PHD
P.S. My wife watches ZDF more often than the Italian television :-)

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24343 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 22:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:32:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 39835 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 22:32:52 -0000 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:32:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWNkK-000AML-AC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:32:52 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWNjx-00061c-IM for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:32:29 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsrelay01.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWNjs-00061I-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:32:24 +0000 Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.136) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:31:52 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.37.58.195] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 262HLPwfW0028M36; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:31:48 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.37.58.195 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FDF87D8.2040807@usa.net> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:31:52 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002c01c3c420$6abb1930$6f46a8c0@pbdesktop> In-reply-to: <002c01c3c420$6abb1930$6f46a8c0@pbdesktop> Subject: Re: LF: qsl.net again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes Peter Bowyer wrote: > OK, they've now blocked the server I've been re-routing through. I > give up. > > I know the people most affected won't get this - but I can no longer > support qsl.net addresses on the blacksheep.org reflectors. They've > finally driven us away. > > If anyone feels like writing to them to ask them why, go ahead. I > can't, my only remaining server is blacklisted there. > > Peter G4MJS Probably it's not their fault. With most probability they are subscribed to some "blacklist servers", which are servers that collect addresses from which spam has, reportedly, generated. When a mail server, in this case qsl.net, has subscribed to such a blacklist server, all its incoming mail is automatically filtered according to the blacklisted addresses. In this specific case, what could be done is to search which blacklist server has listed blacksheep.org, and why... there is the possibility that the SMTP port of blacksheep.org has been used, unknowingly by its administrators, to send unsolicited spam. It happens more often than one could think. You could go to this page http://mail-abuse.org/cgi-bin/lookup and check whether the IP of your SMTP server is listed there. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88473 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 19:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 19:00:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 25460 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 19:00:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 19:00:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU9Yq-0001xI-2F for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:59:48 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.111] (helo=cmsrelay02.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU9Ym-0001x9-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:59:44 +0000 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 18:59:12 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.38.71.201] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 700HLJs8J0143M31; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:59:09 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.38.71.201 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FD76CFC.5030209@usa.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:59:08 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C3BF2E.2774C230.g4jnt@thersgb.net> <3FD76602.3010107@virgin.net> In-reply-to: <3FD76602.3010107@virgin.net> Subject: LF: Re: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Stewart Bryant wrote: > Don't you need the integral of sin^2(x)/x^2 > which according to > > http://www.sosmath.com/tables/integral/integ37/integ37.html > > is pi/2 from 0 to infinity > Is integral # 12 from that table correct ? Shouldn't it be cos^2 instead of cos ? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86116 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 15:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 15:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 12444 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 15:57:46 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 15:57:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARvpc-0003D6-RR for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:55:56 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.111] (helo=cmsrelay02.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARvpZ-0003Ck-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:55:53 +0000 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 15:55:22 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.38.246.28] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 622HLDP4s0306M31; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:55:18 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.38.246.28 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FCF58E4.6060600@usa.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:55:16 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c3b99c$b40b9300$6507a8c0@Main> In-reply-to: <000d01c3b99c$b40b9300$6507a8c0@Main> Subject: LF: VK2ZTO Web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Whatever happened to the site of Steve Olney VK2ZTO, linked from my Jason page ? it was http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg/lowfer.htm but now it seems to be not there anymore. Anybody knows his new address ? TNX. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95972 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 11:18:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 11:18:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 4127 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2003 11:18:43 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 11:18:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARrTE-0007lF-Sv for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:16:32 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsrelay01.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARrT9-0007kf-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:16:27 +0000 Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.137) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 11:15:55 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.38.246.28] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 431HLDLPz0031M37; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:15:51 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.38.246.28 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FCF1765.1040602@usa.net> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:15:49 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c3b9cd$737fdea0$b8ccfc3e@l8p8y6> <3FCF09BD.9060902@virgin.net> In-reply-to: <3FCF09BD.9060902@virgin.net> Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Stewart Bryant wrote: > Try something like mailwasher. It only downloads the headers > rather than the bodies, and when you get it trained you can > dismiss the spam quite quickly. > Yes, I endorse this suggestion. I am using it myself, and find it very useful. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47161 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 15:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 15:22:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 22050 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 15:22:42 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 15:22:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARYoZ-00089Z-4h for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:21:19 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsrelay03.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARYoT-00089Q-Iz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:21:13 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 15:20:41 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.37.48.135] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 726HLcPuM0203M29; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:20:38 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.37.48.135 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FCDFF41.3000607@usa.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:20:33 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c3b99c$b40b9300$6507a8c0@Main> In-reply-to: <000d01c3b99c$b40b9300$6507a8c0@Main> Subject: Re: LF: Spam.....sad... Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi Alan and the group,

  I was thinking along about the same lines... so I take this opportunity to do a shameless
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mode (or mood) and are playing with the idea of building a phasing exciter that, starting
from an I/Q audio carrier, could generate a 137 kHz signal with an upconversion without
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and, as a plus (due to its original purpose), offers also an audio spectrum analyzer.

To download it goto http://www.weaksignals.com/bin/tcube_092.exe
It has been tested by John Andrews W1TAG with professional gears, resulting, across the
range 53 - 10000 Hz, in a THD of 0.025% and a phase angle between I and Q of
90 plus/minus 0.02 degrees.

There is no help file, along I2PHD's tradition  :-), but its working is intuitive, and anyway I
am available for any doubts that could arise.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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Alan Melia wrote:
Hi all, I dont know whether it has occured to anyone else but I find it sad
that "Spam" has generated more messages on this reflector recently than LF
activity. Where are all the LF users?? Its no use saying you've worked
everybody because if the band isnt active then new stations will not be
encouraged to try it. Maybe 136 is doomed to the same fate as 73kHz ??

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com




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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56717 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 10:44:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 10:44:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 16052 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 10:44:38 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 10:44:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARUTa-0004IZ-Do for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:43:22 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsrelay03.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARUTW-0004Hk-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:43:18 +0000 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 10:42:46 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.37.48.86] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 713HLckQO0406M31; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 10:42:41 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.37.48.86 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3FCDBE16.70503@usa.net> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:42:30 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FCD9399.17276.C1B38@localhost> In-reply-to: <3FCD9399.17276.C1B38@localhost> Subject: Re: LF: PAYPAL e-mail virus threat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Mike Dennison wrote: >This is not really necessary. My copy of Norton has found >and stopped the virus every time I have received it. Also, >my understanding is that the virus asks you to enter bank >details. This is a request that is easily ignored. > > > It looks like there are two versions of this scam/virus. The first simply asks you to enter the details of your bank account, which nobody in his right mind would ever do. The second version, the one with the virus, asks you to execute an attached program, which is described as a security measure to avoid that malicious persons (!) could intercept what you are asked to send while passing on the Internet. This version was duly blocked by my ISP (usa.net) even before it reached me. I just received the message with the attachment removed. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23132 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 16:00:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 16:00:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 98347 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 16:00:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 16:00:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWe6B-000PZX-Lf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:00:31 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWe5u-0005BU-IP for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:00:14 +0000 Received: from [80.89.139.226] (helo=relay.sotline.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWe5q-0005BL-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:00:10 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.x.x) with ESMTP id hBHG04NG040689 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:00:09 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) X-Fake-Domain: noname.nodomain.nowhere Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host247.m04.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.247]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id VAA3fe07cea4848 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:57:30 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00338 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:05:37 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:05:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <003701c3c328$d8b89730$2701a8c0@lubon> X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (noname.nodomain.nowhere) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF QSO. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Marek and all On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Marek SQ5BPM wrote: > BTW is THIS frequency causing "only" a scalding or an electric shock or > both? HF stays on the body surface, might burn the skin, but what about > 137kHz? I am simply curious... About a year ago I had touch an antenna when my 50W TX was runing. I had feel electrical shock! It was not too strong for that 2 kV but very sensitive. Skin was burned also. Seems 136 kHz is not too high to avoid electrical shock. So be carefull! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93419 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 14:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 14:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3625 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 14:50:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 14:50:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU5fE-0005xc-R9 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:50:08 +0000 Received: from [80.89.139.226] (helo=relay.sotline.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU5fD-0005xT-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:50:08 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.x.x) with ESMTP id hBAEo2NM085616 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:50:06 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) X-Fake-Domain: noname.nodomain.nowhere Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host194.m02.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.194]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id UAA3fd731ae0f19 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:46:06 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA00398 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:50:52 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:50:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" In-reply-to: <01C3BEFA.E3D319B0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (noname.nodomain.nowhere) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Andy talbot wrote: > > This TOTAL power is spread out in a SIN(x^2)/x^2 pattern. This seems to be strange... May be You mean SIN^2(x)/x^2 ? 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13097 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 08:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 08:55:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28840 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 08:55:52 -0000 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 08:55:52 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWAzg-0007Ut-L2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:55:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWAyp-0002EM-5s for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:54:59 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.141] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWAyo-0002ED-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:54:58 +0000 Received: from [80.40.60.97] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AWAyn-0004lY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:54:57 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:52:42 -0000 Message-ID: <01C3C3B1.F78B6000.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:52:38 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes OK, Thanks to all for replies on the noise generator calculations. I'm now quite convinced its a simple SQRT(2*BW / Fclock) power division from the total calculated from peak waveform voltage. The lack of any PI seems obvious now, provided both clock and bandwidth are specified in the same units. Now need to just make up a 32 bit shift register clocked at 4MHz for a PRN sequence that generates spectral lines 0.93mHz apart (17.9 minutes repeat interval) - enough for most LF modes used - so far. BTW, I found a web page listing ALL the shift register taps for maximal length sequences up to 32 stages. If anyone is interested it is http://homepage.mac.com/afj/taplist.html Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: James Moritz [SMTP:J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk] Sent: 2003/12/12 11:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Dear Andy, LF Group I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but... A noise source of exactly this type is discussed in Horowitz & Hill "The Art of Electronics" 2nd ed., section 9.34. This gives the formula (in the form Andy has used) Vrms^2 = Vpk^2 * 2 * BW /Fclock, (giving 224mV rms) which is different by a factor of sqrt(pi) from the value Andy gets. I spent some time last night trying to figure out which one is correct, and came out with a reasonably convincing case for Horowitz & Hill's formula - if anyone is interested, I will put it into an e-mail compatible form Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92818 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:18:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:18:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 7856 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:18:29 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:18:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUnB0-0008EZ-CW for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:50 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 212.1.130.141 Received: from [212.1.130.141] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUnAz-0008EQ-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:49 +0000 Received: from [80.225.204.84] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AUnAy-00053X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:17:49 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <01C3C0B2.09F37E10.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:15:37 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Yes please, do that. My feeling is that there 'has' to be a pi in there somewhere, Errors in H&H aren't unknown... I dislike SIN(X)/X calculations, they always involve PIs in strange places and never seem to plot out properly without some juggling of constants. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: James Moritz [SMTP:J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk] Sent: 2003/12/12 11:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Dear Andy, LF Group I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but... A noise source of exactly this type is discussed in Horowitz & Hill "The Art of Electronics" 2nd ed., section 9.34. This gives the formula (in the form Andy has used) Vrms^2 = Vpk^2 * 2 * BW /Fclock, (giving 224mV rms) which is different by a factor of sqrt(pi) from the value Andy gets. I spent some time last night trying to figure out which one is correct, and came out with a reasonably convincing case for Horowitz & Hill's formula - if anyone is interested, I will put it into an e-mail compatible form Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75907 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 17:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 17:39:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 12227 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2003 17:38:59 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 17:37:34 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUUk4-0006K7-9X for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:36:48 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.143] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUUk3-0006Jx-EH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:36:47 +0000 Received: from [80.225.213.109] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AUUWi-0000ar-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:23:00 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (RSGB613192) Message-ID: <001901c3c00d$5c321600$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C3BF2E.2774C230.g4jnt@thersgb.net> <3FD76602.3010107@virgin.net> <3FD76E06.1050308@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:36:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Right, think I have an answer now, thanks to Stewart and Stewart... If the total integral = pi watts (Ok, volts squared over an arbitrary impedance, but call them watts for now :-) this is what my 2.5V peak (5V p-p) squarewave is generating : In a 1 Hz bandwidth if the power is said to spread out up to Fclock / 2 Then Power for 1 V peak in 1 ohm = 1Hz / 2.5E6Hz * PI So in more general terms, normalised power density = 2 * PI / Fclock. Which also agrees with a figure someone at work gave me, based on the auto-correlation function (I think) of a random data stream, although, to quote "he wasn't prepared to justify the answer, particularly the derivation of equation for the ACF" So for my 2.5V peak waveform, in 20kHz bandwidth (which is roughly what the soundcard anti-alias filters to) Vrms^2 = 2.5^2 * 20e3/5e6*2*PI = .15708 volts squared which should result in a real RMS value of very close to 396mV - which is more than enough to just be able to pot down to reasonable levels. Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart Bryant To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator > > And just to check it out I did a quick numerical integration > using excel and that gives 3.137 which considering the > errors in the model is probably pi. > > Stewart > > Stewart Bryant wrote: > > > Don't you need the integral of sin^2(x)/x^2 > > which according to > > > > http://www.sosmath.com/tables/integral/integ37/integ37.html > > > > is pi/2 from 0 to infinity > > > > so by symetry for -infinity to plus infinity is pi > > > > 73 > > > > Stewart G3YSX > > > > Andy talbot wrote: > > > >> Yes, the power spectrum of a SIN(X) / X pattern. > >> > >> To Brian 'GVB, the limits will be (theoretically at least) - infinity > >> to infinity, but in practice a few lobes will be sufficient, say about > >> +/- 5 > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Alexander S. Yurkov [SMTP:fitec@omskcity.com] > >> Sent: 2003/12/10 20:51 > >> To: Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail) > >> Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator > >> > >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Andy talbot wrote: > >> > >> > >>> This TOTAL power is spread out in a SIN(x^2)/x^2 pattern. > >> > >> > >> > >> This seems to be strange... May be You mean SIN^2(x)/x^2 ? > >> > >> > >> 73 de RA9MB/Alex > >> http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19265 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 15:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 15:01:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 14259 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 15:01:44 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 15:01:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU5pw-00069o-VW for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:01:12 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 212.1.130.141 Received: from [212.1.130.141] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU5pw-00069f-HH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:01:12 +0000 Received: from [80.225.204.30] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AU5pu-0003C6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:01:11 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:59:04 -0000 Message-ID: <01C3BF2E.2774C230.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:59:01 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Yes, the power spectrum of a SIN(X) / X pattern. To Brian 'GVB, the limits will be (theoretically at least) - infinity to infinity, but in practice a few lobes will be sufficient, say about +/- 5 Andy -----Original Message----- From: Alexander S. Yurkov [SMTP:fitec@omskcity.com] Sent: 2003/12/10 20:51 To: Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail) Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Andy talbot wrote: > > This TOTAL power is spread out in a SIN(x^2)/x^2 pattern. This seems to be strange... May be You mean SIN^2(x)/x^2 ? 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54061 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 08:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 08:55:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7241 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 08:55:00 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 08:54:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU06o-0008T9-HK for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:54:14 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.143] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU06n-0008T0-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:54:13 +0000 Received: from [80.225.212.150] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ATztu-0001Lp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:40:54 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:52:06 -0000 Message-ID: <01C3BEFA.E3D319B0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:51:48 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Is there anyone who can answer this... I want to make a calibrator to enable accurate (better than 0.5%) absolute audio measurements using a soundcard - ie. at audio frequencies to 20kHz. Generating a square wave from CMOS logic with a precisely 5V p-p (2.5v peak) waveform is trivial and can be measured accurately to doubl;e check. The levels of the odd harmonic tones are all precisely defined by : RMS Amplitude = 2.5V * 4 / PI / SQRT(2) / N Where N is the (odd) harmonic number, so the fundamental has an amplitude of 2.251 Vrms which can be potted down with an accurate potential divider - straightforward, all harmonics can be used at known levels... Now, here is the complicated bit, I also want to include a calibrated noise source for accurate S/N measurements and evaluation of various decoding techniques. To remove the need for accurate true RMS measurement to set up this unit, I am going to use Pseudo Random Sequence generated from a shift register clocked very much faster than the frequencies of interest. It is straightforward to make a 2^32-1 bit long sequence clocked at, say, 5MHz which will have a repeat cycle of 14 minutes, suitable for most purposes - even Argo calibration ! By filtering to a bandwidth significantly less than the clock rate (20kHz max vs. 5MHz) the result will be sufficiently Gaussian to act as if it were true noise. In practice, any real hardware filtering won't be necessary as the soundcard itself will do the job; but there will be some basic filtering to keep out the nasty birdies likely to be generated. Now, here is the bit I'm less sure how to work out. How do I calculate the noise density of the PN sequence in the area of interest? Assumimg the PRN Sequence has 1:1 mark/space ratio (with 2^32 bits it will be certainly near enough) and assuming a perfect square edged waveform up to several 5MHz clocks away (guaranteed by using HC series logic) the TOTAL power over the (almost) infinite spectrum from DC to several clock multiples is defined exactly by the RMS value of the waveform; and for a squarewave this is equal to the peak value - here 2.5V. This TOTAL power is spread out in a SIN(x^2)/x^2 pattern. Since it will be filtered to, essentially, just a small part of the first spectral lobe, the calculation really comes down to calculating the height of this lobe which will can be assumed to be sufficiently flat over the small bandwidth of interest. Once that is done, the noise power, and hence the RMS value can be defined in Volts / SQRT(Hz) which can be added to the signal / test tone of interest in variouis proportions, with the S/N then known exactly. I'm quite incapable of integrating SIN(x^2)/x^2 from first principles (or any other way for that matter :-) to calculate the level of the main lobe. Can anyone point out the best way to do this calculation ? Instinct says that for a small bandwidth segment, BW, close to zero frequency, the power will be proportional to BW / Fclock, but I haven't a clue what scaling factors will be included in this, and they are what matter for an absolute level calibrator. Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88001 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 15:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 15:35:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 1331 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2003 15:35:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 15:33:43 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUpI0-0001tP-2m for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:33:12 +0000 Received: from [195.22.31.43] (helo=hulk.vianw.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUpHz-0001tG-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:33:11 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: slave_9.esoterica.pt Received: from slave_9.esoterica.pt ([80.172.145.245]) by hulk.vianw.pt (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBCFX9Gx006422 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:33:10 GMT Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031212151627.00b49330@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: nx4ywv@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:28:44 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Off Topic---ADSL Analysis s/w Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 With apologies for being off topic, can anyone point me in the direction of a software tool that will analyse ADSL performance in the sense of reliability that goes further than Ping. Probably needs to check protocol since I keep being left "hung-up". Did a search this morning and found one by Ipswitch but was rather expensive. Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83031 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 20:01:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 20:01:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 86677 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 20:01:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 20:01:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbmWp-000MR9-Pn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:01:15 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbmW9-0007LP-E5 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:00:33 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbmW8-0007LG-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:00:32 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-253.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.253] helo=bryan2) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AbmW7-000BOL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:00:32 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <00cd01c3cfd8$98f53c40$fdc428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031227144750.035a8d70@POP3.freeler.nl> <000101c3cd6d$6ee77de0$0dcefc3e@l8p8y6> <006001c3cd86$3add4fc0$441686d4@bryan2> <6.0.1.1.2.20031229124828.027e8af0@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:41:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 I agree entirely B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Rollema" To: Sent: 29 December 2003 12:03 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial > Dear Bryan, > > Because the aerial system is very small, expressed in wavelength, the > voltage on all wires "above" the loading coil will be the same; unless > there is another loading coil between the vertical and horizontal parts of > the "T". When the two horizontal parts have equal capacitances to earth > the current distribution on these wires will be similar and that will also > be the case for the two vertical wires of the "double L". In case of > unequal capacitances the current in the vertical wires will be different. > But because the wires are very near to each other they act as a single > radiator carrying the sum of the currents in the two wires. > So for all practical purposes there is no difference in performance of the > "double L" and a real "T". > > I use the "double L" instead of a real "T" because the aerial is also used > as a multiband dipole with open line feeder on 160m and the HF bands. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > At 22:04 28-12-03, you wrote: > >I find it difficult to believe that there is any different loading seen at > >the bottom of two L's in parallel but with opposing horizontal parts from > >that seen by a single wire vertical to the Tee or that there is any > >different current distribution or radiated pattern. > > > >If there are those that do not then I ask:: > >what is the voltage difference between the two vertical wires at their > >respective junctions with their own horizontals ? > > > >Bryan G3GVB > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "hamilton mal" > >To: > >Sent: 28 December 2003 18:04 > >Subject: LF: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dick Rollema > > To: LF-Group > > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:09 PM > > Subject: LF: "T" versus "L"aerial > > > > > > To All from PA0SE > > > > Further to my e-mail of 26 December I measured the field strength as > >radiated by the aerial in > > Inverted L-configuration. From this I found EMRP = 57 milliwatt. > > > > This confirms the benificial effect of top loading. The T-aerial radiated > >140 milliwatt. > > > > So going from a single 20m top load wire for the "L" to 2 x 20m for the > >"T" resulted in an improvement by a factor 2.46 (3.9dB) in radiated power. > > > > The vertical part of the "T" consisted of an open wire feedline of 11m > >with the two wires connected in parallel in the attic shack. For the "L" one > >of the feedline wires was removed. I assume this did not appreciably affect > >the EMRP. > > HI Dick > > From your explanation using open wire feeder you are using an inv L with > >one feeder wire connected and with the 2 feeders strapped at the shack end > >then you have two inverted L antennas in parallel. A true T antenna has > >both feeder wires connected at the top as well as the bottom, in fact do not > >use open wire feeder, connect one wire to the centre of your T horizontal at > >the top and the bottom of your single wire to the loading coil and matching > >unit. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > . > > > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7143 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 32965 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:06:25 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:06:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aai7E-0008Sq-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:06:24 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aai6h-0004V5-5M for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:05:51 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aai6g-0004Uw-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:05:50 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-140.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.140] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Aai6e-000FyS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:05:49 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <006001c3cd86$3add4fc0$441686d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031227144750.035a8d70@POP3.freeler.nl> <000101c3cd6d$6ee77de0$0dcefc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:04:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 I find it difficult to believe that there is any different loading seen at the bottom of two L's in parallel but with opposing horizontal parts from that seen by a single wire vertical to the Tee or that there is any different current distribution or radiated pattern. If there are those that do not then I ask:: what is the voltage difference between the two vertical wires at their respective junctions with their own horizontals ? Bryan G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: "hamilton mal" To: Sent: 28 December 2003 18:04 Subject: LF: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Rollema To: LF-Group Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: LF: "T" versus "L"aerial To All from PA0SE Further to my e-mail of 26 December I measured the field strength as radiated by the aerial in Inverted L-configuration. From this I found EMRP = 57 milliwatt. This confirms the benificial effect of top loading. The T-aerial radiated 140 milliwatt. So going from a single 20m top load wire for the "L" to 2 x 20m for the "T" resulted in an improvement by a factor 2.46 (3.9dB) in radiated power. The vertical part of the "T" consisted of an open wire feedline of 11m with the two wires connected in parallel in the attic shack. For the "L" one of the feedline wires was removed. I assume this did not appreciably affect the EMRP. HI Dick From your explanation using open wire feeder you are using an inv L with one feeder wire connected and with the 2 feeders strapped at the shack end then you have two inverted L antennas in parallel. A true T antenna has both feeder wires connected at the top as well as the bottom, in fact do not use open wire feeder, connect one wire to the centre of your T horizontal at the top and the bottom of your single wire to the loading coil and matching unit. 73 de Mal/G3KEV . 73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62778 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 12:26:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 12:26:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 5612 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2003 12:26:35 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 12:26:26 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU3PT-0003TG-JB for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:25:43 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU3PT-0003T7-0e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:25:43 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-181.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.181] helo=bryan2) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AU3PO-0001YP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:25:39 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <003d01c3bf18$9d03d420$88e486d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C3BEFA.E3D319B0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:24:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 What a delight it is to be on this list. LF could well stand for Literate and Febrile I am digital-techniques ill informed and not sure if you are using ^ to mean "to the power of " but is your question : "what is the integral of sin(y)/y where y=x squared ?" ? between what values of x? Bryan - g3gvb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy talbot" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group (E-mail)" Sent: 10 December 2003 08:51 Subject: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator > Is there anyone who can answer this... > > I want to make a calibrator to enable accurate (better than 0.5%) absolute > audio measurements using a soundcard - ie. at audio frequencies to 20kHz. > Generating a square wave from CMOS logic with a precisely 5V p-p (2.5v peak) > waveform is trivial and can be measured accurately to doubl;e check. The > levels of the odd harmonic tones are all precisely defined by : > > RMS Amplitude = 2.5V * 4 / PI / SQRT(2) / N > > Where N is the (odd) harmonic number, so the fundamental has an amplitude of > 2.251 Vrms which can be potted down with an accurate potential divider - > straightforward, all harmonics can be used at known levels... > > Now, here is the complicated bit, I also want to include a calibrated noise > source for accurate S/N measurements and evaluation of various decoding > techniques. To remove the need for accurate true RMS measurement to set up > this unit, I am going to use Pseudo Random Sequence generated from a shift > register clocked very much faster than the frequencies of interest. It is > straightforward to make a 2^32-1 bit long sequence clocked at, say, 5MHz which > will have a repeat cycle of 14 minutes, suitable for most purposes - even Argo > calibration ! By filtering to a bandwidth significantly less than the clock > rate (20kHz max vs. 5MHz) the result will be sufficiently Gaussian to act as if > it were true noise. In practice, any real hardware filtering won't be > necessary as the soundcard itself will do the job; but there will be some basic > filtering to keep out the nasty birdies likely to be generated. > > Now, here is the bit I'm less sure how to work out. How do I calculate the > noise density of the PN sequence in the area of interest? Assumimg the PRN > Sequence has 1:1 mark/space ratio (with 2^32 bits it will be certainly near > enough) and assuming a perfect square edged waveform up to several 5MHz clocks > away (guaranteed by using HC series logic) the TOTAL power over the (almost) > infinite spectrum from DC to several clock multiples is defined exactly by the > RMS value of the waveform; and for a squarewave this is equal to the peak value > - here 2.5V. > > This TOTAL power is spread out in a SIN(x^2)/x^2 pattern. Since it will be > filtered to, essentially, just a small part of the first spectral lobe, the > calculation really comes down to calculating the height of this lobe which will > can be assumed to be sufficiently flat over the small bandwidth of interest. > Once that is done, the noise power, and hence the RMS value can be defined in > Volts / SQRT(Hz) which can be added to the signal / test tone of interest in > variouis proportions, with the S/N then known exactly. > > I'm quite incapable of integrating SIN(x^2)/x^2 from first principles (or any > other way for that matter :-) to calculate the level of the main lobe. Can > anyone point out the best way to do this calculation ? Instinct says that > for a small bandwidth segment, BW, close to zero frequency, the power will be > proportional to BW / Fclock, but I haven't a clue what scaling factors will > be included in this, and they are what matter for an absolute level calibrator. > > Andy G4JNT > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67688 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 10:17:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 10:17:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 28131 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2003 10:17:37 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 10:17:28 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASvxt-0000Gf-9u for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:16:37 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASvxs-0000GW-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:16:36 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-48.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.48] helo=bryan2) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ASvxq-0004uP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:16:35 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <003701c3bcab$17986a40$30e086d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c3bb1a$0a61a0e0$0b01a8c0@langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk> <000901c3bc31$a17dc720$5967fea9@p4o2b7> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:00:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Config change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 I thought "get it up " was about antennas? bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kyle" To: Sent: 06 December 2003 19:39 Subject: LF: Re: Config change > Sorry John but the new config doesn't seem to be working. > There are three "get it up" spams awaiting my attention - all came through > 'thorcom' and the reflector. Since changing my address back in July this > kind of thing has been notably absent, so I hope that this isn't the start > of a whole loadatrubble! > > Ian. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86926 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 16:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 16:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19039 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2003 16:35:10 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 16:34:57 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASfNV-0001rv-CN for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:33:57 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASfNU-0001rm-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:33:56 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-196.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.196] helo=bryan2) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ASfNT-0002Dn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:33:56 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <004201c3bc16$a4883c40$e2c428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FD1F1C0.26180.1D5756B@localhost> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:33:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 In LF parlance how slow is "QRS" please. I have tuned over 136 countless times and heard an amateur cw signal only once. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sergeant" To: Sent: 06 December 2003 15:12 Subject: Re: LF: activity > On 6 Dec 2003 at 12:42, hamilton mal wrote: > > > I saw GI8AYZ on QRS testing yesterday with a good strong audible > > signal, also OM2TW on QRS audible. Why QRS with good strong signals > > perfectly workable on CW. A lot of LF ops have deserted the band > > because lack of normal CW, some years back when the 136 khz band > > started, there was an abundance of CW and most managed to make a QSO. > > QRS is useful when everything else fails, but surely it is more > > sensible to try CW for a fast QSO first instead of a method that takes > > ages to exchange a signal report. The majority of QRS activity that I > > observe is unnecessary because the signals are perfectly audible and > > workable on CW, even signals from antennas in small back gardens are > > perfectly audible here. Improving the station with more TX output and > > a more efficient antenna is a better approach than the LAZY MANS CW > > I guess I am among those who have deserted the band for this among > other reasons. If we are to encourage new users then normal CW should > be the first step and they will progress to digital modes later if > they so desire. I regret the move to QRSS and beaconing which leaves > the casual listener with nothing to hear. > > The increase of TV QRM and also the attractions of HF with my K2 > means that I very rarely listen on the band these days. But while I > was on I did encourage many with small gardens to have a go on lf. > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > dsergeant@btinternet.com > http://www.btinternet.com/~dsergeant > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77005 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 16:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 16:28:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 23156 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 16:28:50 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 16:28:46 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASfHO-0001gd-88 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:27:38 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASfHN-0001gU-Qb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:27:37 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-196.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.196] helo=bryan2) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ASfHM-00005I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:27:37 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <002d01c3bc15$c29b5240$e2c428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c3bbf6$9ba16360$94d1fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:40:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 QSL all that. G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: "hamilton mal" To: Sent: 06 December 2003 12:42 Subject: LF: activity I saw GI8AYZ on QRS testing yesterday with a good strong audible signal, also OM2TW on QRS audible. Why QRS with good strong signals perfectly workable on CW. A lot of LF ops have deserted the band because lack of normal CW, some years back when the 136 khz band started, there was an abundance of CW and most managed to make a QSO. QRS is useful when everything else fails, but surely it is more sensible to try CW for a fast QSO first instead of a method that takes ages to exchange a signal report. The majority of QRS activity that I observe is unnecessary because the signals are perfectly audible and workable on CW, even signals from antennas in small back gardens are perfectly audible here. Improving the station with more TX output and a more efficient antenna is a better approach than the LAZY MANS CW (QRS-VY SLOW) 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7401 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 07:55:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 07:55:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12874 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2003 07:55:40 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 07:55:11 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASAhr-00008e-Up for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:48:55 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASAhr-00008V-Ht for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:48:55 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-21.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.21] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ASAhp-000Ppm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:48:54 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <001101c3bb04$22cb06a0$15ce28c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <111.2bb3c94c.2d013f7e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:48:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 ah! Not so elementary . Perhaps the clue is in the call sign and signal-mode M0RIA - RTTY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 05 December 2003 01:55 Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc > In a message dated 12/4/03 5:31:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes: > > > remember that anyone can write > > > > "Re:LF: " > > > > at the start of the subject to make it SEEM as if it came thro' the > > reflector. > > Yes, they certainly can. The text-only e-mail client I use with this > account, though, allows for viewing the complete header. The PayPal messages were > from blacksheep via thorcom.com--genuine spam through the reflector, alas. > > John (Watson?) > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25934 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 22:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 22:36:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 24271 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2003 22:36:38 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 22:36:21 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AS24P-0000tV-0p for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:35:37 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AS24O-0000tM-L2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:35:36 +0000 Received: from tnt-21-154.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.154] helo=bryan2) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AS24N-0003Y6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:35:36 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <002001c3bab6$d6b66e00$9ae486d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1193078046.20031204194941@73.ru> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:34:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 where are you and what will you send? CW? QRSS ? Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "rn6bn" To: Sent: 04 December 2003 16:49 Subject: LF: test > Hello ! > Today (04/dec/2003) test my equipments. > 137.7 17 - 19 GMT > -- > Best regards, > Sam, rn6bn mailto:rn6bn@73.ru > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3185 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 22:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 22:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 16653 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2003 22:32:58 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 22:32:38 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AS208-0000qq-QV for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:31:12 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AS208-0000qF-Au for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:31:12 +0000 Received: from tnt-21-154.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.154] helo=bryan2) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AS203-000IPo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:31:08 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <001001c3bab6$36fbed40$9ae486d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <17d.24167aca.2d00d3a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:22:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 remember that anyone can write "Re:LF: " "at the start of the subject to make it SEEM as if it came thro' the reflector. Try it. It may not have come from the reflector at all. Sherlock Holmes - G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 04 December 2003 18:14 Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc > In a message dated 12/4/03 5:20:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, > stewart.bryant@virgin.net writes: > > > It is not coming in > > through the LF reflector > > Actually, some of it _is_ coming in through the reflector; the false PayPal > messages and the Nigerian bank transfer scams being recent instances. Seldom > does a week go by without one or two advertising messages getting through this > reflector. It is far less than the general spam level most of us receive, but > it is a contributing factor. > > > although it is possible that a > > spammer joined and harvested the addresses. > > Possible, though it is equally likely some of the members hit by one of the > previous viruses or trojans had their e-mail address books pilfered by spammers. > > > Try something like mailwasher. > > All good and well, but as I said yesterday (a) it's not 100% effective, and > (b) one utterly miniscule change to the list rules would virtually eliminate > any spam coming through the reflector and thereby reduce the total volume of > junkmail. > > John > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27012 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 17:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 17:54:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 25271 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 17:54:34 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 17:54:28 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARbCG-0001qm-Le for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:53:56 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARbCG-0001qd-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:53:56 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-85.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.85] helo=bryan2) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ARbCB-000DnI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:53:51 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <000901c3b9c6$5111f3a0$55c428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c3b8fa$581df940$df6d883e@d6y6c7> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:53:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Spam ..... cheer up. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 some newbies are here waiting for rain to stop to get up something even remotely resembling an LF antenna in a space 50ft x 150 on top of solid chalk and a few feet of clay. BTW what would be the value as an "earth" of the outer conductor of a domestic tv/data coax cable ...not that I would dream for one moment of making such a connection Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAWRENCE MAYHEAD" To: Sent: 02 December 2003 14:23 Subject: LF: Spam ..... sad > Hi All, > As Alan said in a recent message. Where are all the LF users ??? Has the > magic gone out of it ? Conditions have settled down since the recent sun > spot activity, and from past experience we should be seeing a lift in > propagation. > I am looking for Laurence every night now. > 73 Laurie. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61026 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 11:32:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:32:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 16681 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 11:32:24 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:32:17 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARVEe-0005B9-7l for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:32:00 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARVEd-0005B0-Qc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:31:59 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-126.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.126] helo=bryan2) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ARVEc-0001HY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:31:58 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <005401c3b990$f7f58dc0$99c428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c3b97f$c604e2e0$c21999c2@k7t> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:26:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Spam, viruses, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Ukonline.co.uk does both these things. Its spam filter is excellent. bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Blanchard" To: Sent: 03 December 2003 09:27 Subject: LF: Spam, viruses, etc > Re Spam, etc; > > Just find a service provider who has a good spam detector on their server. > Mine - Pinnacle - installed one six months ago which is 99.99% right. It > works by prefacing every suspected spam with [Spam] in the address so you > can download it into a Spam folder and have a look to see if there are any > real messages wrongly labelled. I've only had two so far, both mailings from > Maplin bordering on spam anyway. I can also access my mail list on their > server directly via the Web without using an email program and delete before > even downloading them. I have enough faith in the system now to delete > without reading. Naturally they won't tell me how it works but it knows all > the usual spam-detector avoidance tricks. In fact I think it looks for them > to make a first decision whether something might be spam. > > I also use AVG anti-virus (free!!) and it detected the Paypal virus > immediately, as it has all others. It transfers them to a special folder > where they can be deleted once a week or so. > > These two together have restored what was rapidly becoming a shambles into > reasonable order. > > Pity that money-grubbing dickheads have spoiled what was once an excellent > service. Pinnacle tell me their server is having to deal with 100,000 spams > a day and they are only a small player. > > Walter G3JKV. > > > > --- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 21/11/03 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38517 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 07:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 07:51:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 420 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2003 07:51:15 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 07:51:04 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AR5IO-0002sj-9K for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:50:08 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AR5IN-0002sa-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:50:07 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-73.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.73] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AR5IM-0005CT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:50:06 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bryan2) Message-ID: <003901c3b8a8$cf96f820$49ce28c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200312011542_MC3-1-5D65-A15E@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:43:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Topband Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 That's not _old_. I have just been to my mother's 100th birthday party ...you are no older than broadcasting and .even kids like me go on top-band.. G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prof R. Jennison" To: Sent: 01 December 2003 20:42 Subject: LF: Topband Dick, The present allocation in the U.K. is !.810 MHz to 2.00 MHz. Max. power 26 dBW from 1.81 to 1.85 and 15 dBW from1.85 to 2.0 Mhz. It is mainly inhabited by old timers, such as this 81 year old correspondent! 73, Roger, G2AJV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72930 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 06:07:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 06:07:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 76789 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 06:07:35 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 06:07:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aa7bq-000Jrr-B5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:07:34 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa7ax-0007IX-CE for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:06:39 +0000 Received: from [195.110.100.4] (helo=mail.dada.it) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa7aw-0007IO-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:06:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 32374 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 06:05:57 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO cestag) (195.110.103.121) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 06:05:57 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (cestag) Message-ID: <000701c3cc3f$a2cdad20$79676ec3@cestag> From: "cesare tagliabue" To: "LF group" Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 07:06:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: HNY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all My LF activity has been momentarily stopped by the strong wind during the last week, wich has seriously damaged the bulky coil located outdoor on the roof, so I need a lot of time to repair. A very Happy New Year to all and hope to be quite soon again on the air. 73 Cesare Cesare Tagliabue I 5 TGC WW-Loc JN53PS e-mail: cestag@dada.it url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31054 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 14:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 14:46:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 17236 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 14:46:36 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 14:46:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZAHT-0004NA-C2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:46:35 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZAGj-0004a5-HY for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:45:49 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.148] (helo=zinc.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZAGi-0004Zw-TR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:45:48 +0000 Received: from [213.122.211.128] (helo=dave) by zinc.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AZAGi-0000fM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:45:48 +0000 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:45:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FE9A698.9025.1D0CEC4@localhost> In-reply-to: <3FE87C9A.7010900@virgin.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: sub664.pdf (application/pdf Object) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 On 23 Dec 2003 at 17:34, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > I know that a number of members of this group contributed > to the IEE policy submission on PLT, but I have not > seen a pointer to the final result posted here yet: > > Thanks for supplying the link. Quite an impressive document and I am pleased that my own submission (R21) is very much on the same lines as the majority. A lot of familiar names and callsigns there. The views of the proponents seem to be very much in the minority. It is not perhaps fair to comment, but I feel they have failed to convince me of their enthusiasm.. > IEE members who are also members of this list might > be interested in the spectrum trading submission in > progress (S678) at > > http://www.iee.org/Policy/Submissions/current.cfm > > My view is that trading is as great a threat to the > upper spectrum, as PLT is to the lower, and needs to > be defended with the same vigor as is being applied > to the PLT defense. Except that the supplied link for more details on the Ofcom site doesn't work, presumably Ofcom is still in a time of move. 73 Dave G3YMC dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~dsergeant From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22584 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 14:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 14:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11079 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 14:03:21 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 14:03:15 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AURM8-0002X0-O3 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:52 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AURM7-0002Wr-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:52 +0000 Received: from [81.135.33.193] (helo=dave) by protactinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AURM6-0000fx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:50 +0000 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:02:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FD878D9.28446.19D106C@localhost> In-reply-to: <001501c3bf48$fc7b5ec0$00d1fc3e@l8p8y6> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: 136 khz weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Further to Mal's comments on lack of activity, some of you may have notice that John G3CCH is now a silent key. I remember hearing John on the band a few times but never managed a QSO. Incidently in the early days I kept a list of callsigns I had heard on the band (normal CW) and it grew to over 50 before I stopped maintaining it. There was certainly no lack of activity in those days, I guess they have all moved on to other things. 73 Dave G3YMC dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~dsergeant From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23037 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 15:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 15:11:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10436 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 15:11:37 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 15:11:32 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASe4R-0000fZ-3n for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:10:11 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASe4Q-0000fQ-FP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:10:10 +0000 Received: from host213-122-26-92.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.26.92] helo=dave) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1ASe4P-0001vv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:10:09 +0000 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 15:12:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FD1F1C0.26180.1D5756B@localhost> In-reply-to: <001001c3bbf6$9ba16360$94d1fc3e@l8p8y6> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 On 6 Dec 2003 at 12:42, hamilton mal wrote: > I saw GI8AYZ on QRS testing yesterday with a good strong audible > signal, also OM2TW on QRS audible. Why QRS with good strong signals > perfectly workable on CW. A lot of LF ops have deserted the band > because lack of normal CW, some years back when the 136 khz band > started, there was an abundance of CW and most managed to make a QSO. > QRS is useful when everything else fails, but surely it is more > sensible to try CW for a fast QSO first instead of a method that takes > ages to exchange a signal report. The majority of QRS activity that I > observe is unnecessary because the signals are perfectly audible and > workable on CW, even signals from antennas in small back gardens are > perfectly audible here. Improving the station with more TX output and > a more efficient antenna is a better approach than the LAZY MANS CW I guess I am among those who have deserted the band for this among other reasons. If we are to encourage new users then normal CW should be the first step and they will progress to digital modes later if they so desire. I regret the move to QRSS and beaconing which leaves the casual listener with nothing to hear. The increase of TV QRM and also the attractions of HF with my K2 means that I very rarely listen on the band these days. But while I was on I did encourage many with small gardens to have a go on lf. 73 Dave G3YMC dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~dsergeant From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79567 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 11:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:28:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 3624 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2003 11:28:18 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:27:42 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARVA4-0004zu-7t for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:27:16 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARVA3-0004zl-Mu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:27:15 +0000 Received: from host213-122-83-115.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.83.115] helo=dave) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1ARVA2-0007N3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:27:14 +0000 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:28:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FCDC8F6.29620.10EF0B7@localhost> In-reply-to: <001901c3b97f$c604e2e0$c21999c2@k7t> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: Spam, viruses, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 I appreciate the comments on this subject. I myself use Mailwasher (and if I trusted it the BT spam filter) so it is not really a problem - all the spam is easily deleted before downloading. What has changed since 2002 is that the amount of spam on the internet has enormously increased - as also the number of people with always on connection who can spread it unawares. Thanks to blacksheep using SpamAssasin I guess it does reduce the spam on this list enormously from what it could be, and in fact it is a very small percentage of the spam received here. However it is worth saying that of the various email reflectors I subscribe to without exception they either operate a 'members only may post' policy or one of moderating members on their first posting. Everybody accepts this policy without complaints. This list seems to be the only one which is totally open. In the case of Yahoogroups lists, they also allow you can define up to three alternative email addresses to post with, getting round the problem of those wanting to post from their work's email but not wanting the received mails to go there. Not sure if that feature is available with blacksheep. The danger is not those of us who are computer literate (probably most on here) but those who are not, who will get themselves infected then spread the rubbish to everybody else. It is for these we must take the sensible approach and stop spammers posting. I may however be soon taking down my 136 loop for the time being so could well be unsubscribing for a different reason! 73 Dave G3YMC dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.btinternet.com/~dsergeant From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55085 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:24:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20779 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:24:11 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:24:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbSHa-0005I5-BQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:24:10 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbSH9-0004wW-AU for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:23:43 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.250 Received: from [166.82.181.250] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbSH8-0004wN-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:23:42 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBUMNe924949 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3FF1FADD.8156831D@att.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:23:25 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FEF1FE8.31DEB163@att.net> <000801c3cf02$ffcfd280$21e5fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: LF: T/A cross band QSOs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Right on Mal! I know there is little excitement in doing the same thing over and over. Well except for some things. My reason for providing the monitoring page is to stimulate activity on both sides of the pond. We Part 15 Lowfers have learned how valuable it is to have someone provide an online page so we can get near real time feedback. W3EEE's live Argo is very popular and attracts new ops to join us. My thought is there are many EU LF ops that do not have your excellent antennas and or location that would like for their signal to make it across. Also there are fellows on this side who would like to see your signal for the fist time. Isn't it somewhat selfish to say you're not going to transmit unless you get something in return? I agree beaconing is no substitute for a QSO but I feel it is a worthwhile and leads to possible two way contacts. Now let's crossband QSO! Burn the rust off those antennas and we will all benefit. Let's try this. From my local sunset which is now about 2200 UT until 0400 UT I will call on 7025 kHz whoever I can positively identify on the present TA window. (135.919 - 135.925 kHz) http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm I will transmit the call I see with a report every 30 min, at the top of the hour and half past. I invite anyone on this side to do the same. NA ops if you see Mal let's give him some activity! Suggestions and/or comments? Dex, w4dex hamilton mal wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" > To: "RSGB LF" > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:24 PM > Subject: LF: 135.922 kHz near real time monitoring page > > > Many of us LF chaps here in NA are suffering withdrawals from lack of > > T/A signals. In hopes of encouraging some activity I have set up a page > > that presently shows the 135.919 to 135.925 kHz window. It is running > > QRSS30 slow which would work with a QRSS60 or longer signal. The window > > frequency calibration is fairly accurate so try to avoid the loran > > lines. > > > > Send us some RF and check the page to see if the path is open. Us weak > > signal LF junkies will appreciate the fix. > > Hi Dexter > > I can send you plenty of LF RF as you already know from previous > observations your end. What I want in return is a proper QSO on normal CW. I > will TX on 136 and you TX on say 7025 khz. If any others are interested so > much the better. I do not want to send out repeative and meaningless Beacon > signals, I and others already know we can get across the Atlantic and vice > versa from VE to Europe. > I have an array of LF antennas just rusting away. > > de Mal/G3KEV > > > > This page should auto reload every minute: > > > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm > > > > If your bandwidth is limited you may want to do manual reloads from > > here: > > > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.jpg > > > > Dexter, w4dex > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43354 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 13:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 13:37:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 50543 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 13:37:06 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 13:37:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbK3U-000Cvh-0j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:37:04 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbK3C-0005Bu-8I for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:36:46 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.2 Received: from [166.82.181.2] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbK3A-0005Bl-1U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:36:44 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBUDag914776 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 08:36:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3FF17F5C.FC69DCF0@att.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:36:28 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FF17603.1CF1C914@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: 135.9xx kHz Report from NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 After stating that our local network should be back to normal I was told there will be more down time today. So if you can't get to the pages please try again later. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35072 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 12:57:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 12:57:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1810 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 12:57:24 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 12:57:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbJR3-0000M4-NE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:57:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbJQc-0004Vp-DH for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:56:54 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.2 Received: from [166.82.181.2] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbJQZ-0004Vg-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:56:51 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBUCuo913907; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:56:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3FF17603.1CF1C914@att.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:56:35 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "lowfer" Subject: LF: 135.9xx kHz Report from NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 CT1DRP was again coming into NC last night. QRN was moderate. Brian's signal was first detected at 0000 UT and last seen at 0600 UT. Best signal was at about 0340 UT. Capture posted at: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/03_12_30.jpg W1TAG and W1VD reported clear copy. Our local network was down for about 8 hours yesterday due to a firewall crash. I received several messages reporting the online 135 kHz capture page was not available. The failure was probably the reason my site could not be accessed and hopefully all is working now. The 183 kHz French BC station was very strong here last night. Real time 135 kHz Argo page at: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28019 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 13:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 13:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 35151 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 13:27:16 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 13:27:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaxQH-0008CK-1g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:27:05 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaxPV-0007fX-4j for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:26:17 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.250 Received: from [166.82.181.250] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaxPT-0007fO-0E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:26:15 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBTDPi922789 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:25:44 -0500 Message-ID: <3FF02B4E.76A6EEDC@att.net> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:25:34 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: CT1DRP into NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Brian's 135.923 kHz signal was identifiable in NC starting about 2330Z. There was a peak around 0350 and the signal was last seen close to 0500Z. QRN was moderate here during the entire period. Best capture: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/03_12_28_ct1drp.jpg Near real time 135 kHz window available at: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm w4dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19362 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 18:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 18:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 81262 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 18:33:01 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 18:32:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aafif-000Kx5-Ly for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:32:53 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aafi6-0001FI-EJ for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:32:18 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.250 Received: from [166.82.181.250] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aafi4-0001Ex-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:32:16 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBSIWE908914 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:32:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3FEF21A8.8EBEE414@att.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:32:08 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH 28 December Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Signal was visible from about 0900 to 1200Z but not as good as previous night. At 1100Z I has hearing moderate QRN so I suspect the copy was down due to noise instead or propagation. Dex, W4DEX North Carolina From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4712 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 18:25:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 18:25:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 32026 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 18:25:41 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 18:25:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AafbZ-00085X-W3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:25:34 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aafas-0000xI-QW for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:24:50 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.250 Received: from [166.82.181.250] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aafaq-0000x8-9a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:24:48 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBSIOk908796 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:24:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3FEF1FE8.31DEB163@att.net> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:24:40 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: 135.922 kHz near real time monitoring page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Many of us LF chaps here in NA are suffering withdrawals from lack of T/A signals. In hopes of encouraging some activity I have set up a page that presently shows the 135.919 to 135.925 kHz window. It is running QRSS30 slow which would work with a QRSS60 or longer signal. The window frequency calibration is fairly accurate so try to avoid the loran lines. Send us some RF and check the page to see if the path is open. Us weak signal LF junkies will appreciate the fix. This page should auto reload every minute: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm If your bandwidth is limited you may want to do manual reloads from here: http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.jpg Dexter, w4dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51313 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 13:56:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 13:56:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 10767 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 13:56:10 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 13:56:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaEvD-0002ZM-6s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:56:03 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaEux-00063z-59 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:55:47 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.250 Received: from [166.82.181.250] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaEuu-00063g-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:55:45 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBRDtD911021; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3FED8F40.A12DE26B@att.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:55:12 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "lowfer scgroup remailer" References: <3FED89DB.2EDD09C9@att.net> Subject: LF: ZL6QH Q5 in North Carolina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Sorry about the call sign error on the subject line. Thought maybe I should resend so the call would show up when an archive search is made. Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > ZL6QH was first seen about 0900 utc and was visible for about 3 hours > here in NC. Signal peaked around 1200 utc. Local sunrise was 1228 utc. > > Screen captures posted at: > > http://w4dex.com/argo/ZL6QH/27dec03/ > > Dexter, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 34859 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 13:33:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 13:33:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 60083 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 13:33:28 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 13:33:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaEZE-000FUQ-Rr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:33:20 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaEYg-0005ll-T9 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:32:46 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.250 Received: from [166.82.181.250] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaEYe-0005lc-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:32:44 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.101]) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBRDWC910825; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 08:32:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3FED89DB.2EDD09C9@att.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:32:11 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "lowfer scgroup remailer" Subject: LF: ZL6ZH Q5 in North Carolina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 ZL6QH was first seen about 0900 utc and was visible for about 3 hours here in NC. Signal peaked around 1200 utc. Local sunrise was 1228 utc. Screen captures posted at: http://w4dex.com/argo/ZL6QH/27dec03/ Dexter, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24892 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:40:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 75079 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:40:08 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:40:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWn8z-000JVT-Nq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:40:01 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWn7o-0005ym-Tu for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:38:48 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 166.82.181.250 Received: from [166.82.181.250] (helo=dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWn7m-0005yd-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:38:46 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: att.net Received: from att.net (main.dustinmcintyre.com [10.0.252.100] (may be forged)) by dustmac.dustinmcintyre.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBI1cFM24530 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3FE104FF.BD29360E@att.net> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:38:07 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002c01c3c420$6abb1930$6f46a8c0@pbdesktop> Subject: Re: LF: qsl.net again Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit  

Peter Bowyer wrote:

OK, they've now blocked the server I've been re-routing through. I give up.

I have given up on them also Peter.  I think they will filter themself out of business.

Dexter

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35503 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 15:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 15:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 4111 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 15:34:50 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 15:34:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AazPs-0000xU-PY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:34:48 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AazPA-0001R3-8b for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:34:04 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.236] (helo=smtp07.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AazP8-0001Qu-VE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:34:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 9365 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 15:34:02 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.136.59]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp07.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Dec 2003 15:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031229161651.027e8660@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:36:50 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <009301c3ccc5$3a153d80$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031227144750.035a8d70@POP3.freeler.nl> <009301c3ccc5$3a153d80$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Bob, ZL2AC wrote:


Dick PA0SE,
 
Fine on the test result.  As you stated, the tested T has twice the amount of top loading wire (2x 20 metres) than the L (1x 20 metres).
 
It would be interesting to know if a T is better than an L for constant length top loading i.e. what the difference is if the upwire joins at the end or the middle of the horizontal top wire (theory suggests the T is better as there is minimal horizontally polarised component).
 
Bob,  I cannot answer your question by a practical experiment but used computer simulation instead by means of K6STI's program Antenna Optimizer.

I modeled two antennas with a vertical element of 20m.  One an Inverted L-antenna with a horizontal top load wire of 40m. The other a T-antenna with a top load of 2 x 20m.
Both antennas  without losses, over perfect ground and fed with 1kW.

At a distance of 10km (so well outside the near field region) and over perfect ground both antennas produced a vertically polarised field of 29.9mV/m. The horizontally polarised field was zero; but this is to be expected because over a perfect conducting ground a horizontal field component cannot exist.

73, Dick, PA0SE

Original message:

To: LF-Group
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 3:09 AM
Subject: LF: "T" versus "L"aerial

To All from PA0SE

Further to my e-mail of 26 December I measured the field strength as radiated by the aerial in
Inverted L-configuration. From this I found EMRP = 57 milliwatt.
This confirms the benificial effect of top loading. The T-aerial radiated 140 milliwatt.

So going from a single 20m top load wire for the "L" to 2 x 20m for the "T" resulted in an improvement by a factor 2.46 (3.9dB) in radiated power.

The vertical part of the "T" consisted of an open wire feedline of 11m with the two wires connected in parallel in the attic shack. For the "L" one of the feedline wires was removed. I assume this did not appreciably affect the EMRP.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61382 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 12:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 12:05:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 18226 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 12:05:43 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 12:05:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aaw9V-0004d9-VI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:05:42 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aaw8i-0006H8-Jc for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:04:52 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.236] (helo=smtp07.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aaw8h-0006Gy-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:04:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 18389 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 12:04:51 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.138.38]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp07.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Dec 2003 12:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031229124828.027e8af0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:03:08 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <006001c3cd86$3add4fc0$441686d4@bryan2> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031227144750.035a8d70@POP3.freeler.nl> <000101c3cd6d$6ee77de0$0dcefc3e@l8p8y6> <006001c3cd86$3add4fc0$441686d4@bryan2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Bryan,

Because the aerial  system is very small, expressed in wavelength, the voltage on all wires "above" the loading coil will be the same; unless there is another loading coil between the vertical and horizontal parts of the "T".  When the two horizontal parts have equal capacitances to earth the current distribution on these wires will be similar and that will also be the case for the two vertical wires of the "double L".  In case of unequal capacitances the current in the vertical wires will be different. But because the wires are very near to each other they act as a single radiator carrying the sum of the currents in the two wires.
So for all practical purposes there is no difference in performance of the "double L" and a real "T".

I use the "double L" instead of a real "T" because the aerial is also used as a multiband dipole with open line feeder on 160m and the HF bands.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 22:04 28-12-03, you wrote:
I find it difficult to believe that there is any different loading seen at
the bottom of two L's in parallel but with opposing horizontal parts from
that seen by a single wire vertical to the Tee or that there is any
different current distribution or radiated pattern.

If there are those that do not then I ask::
what is the voltage difference between the two vertical wires at their
respective junctions with their own horizontals ?

Bryan G3GVB



----- Original Message -----
From: "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 28 December 2003 18:04
Subject: LF: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dick Rollema
  To: LF-Group
  Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:09 PM
  Subject: LF: "T" versus "L"aerial


  To All from PA0SE

  Further to my e-mail of 26 December I measured the field strength as
radiated by the aerial in
  Inverted L-configuration. From this I found EMRP = 57 milliwatt.

  This confirms the benificial effect of top loading. The T-aerial radiated
140 milliwatt.

  So going from a single 20m top load wire for the "L" to 2 x 20m for the
"T" resulted in an improvement by a factor 2.46 (3.9dB) in radiated power.

  The vertical part of the "T" consisted of an open wire feedline of 11m
with the two wires connected in parallel in the attic shack. For the "L" one
of the feedline wires was removed. I assume this did not appreciably affect
the EMRP.
  HI Dick
  From your explanation using open wire feeder you are using an inv L with
one feeder wire connected and with the 2 feeders strapped at the shack end
then you have two inverted  L antennas in parallel. A true T antenna has
both feeder wires connected at the top as well as the bottom, in fact do not
use open wire feeder, connect one wire to the centre of your T horizontal at
the top and the bottom of your single wire to the loading coil and matching
unit.
  73 de Mal/G3KEV

                            .

  73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73138 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 14:11:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 14:11:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 96717 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 14:11:14 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 14:11:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaF9q-000Odc-Rg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:11:10 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaF9X-0006LE-QJ for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:10:51 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.236] (helo=smtp07.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaF9W-0006L5-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:10:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 24142 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 14:10:50 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.147.78]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp07.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 27 Dec 2003 14:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031227144750.035a8d70@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:09:07 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: "T" versus "L"aerial Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Further to my e-mail of 26 December I measured the field strength as radiated by the aerial in
Inverted L-configuration. From this I found EMRP = 57 milliwatt.

This confirms the benificial effect of top loading. The T-aerial radiated 140 milliwatt.

So going from a single 20m top load wire for the "L" to 2 x 20m for the "T" resulted in an improvement by a factor 2.46 (3.9dB) in radiated power.

The vertical part of the "T" consisted of an open wire feedline of 11m with the two wires connected in parallel in the attic shack. For the "L" one of the feedline wires was removed. I assume this did not appreciably affect the EMRP.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40008 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 11:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 11:57:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 72943 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 11:57:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 11:57:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZqaY-000Irl-Bs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:57:06 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZqZx-00082A-0t for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:56:29 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.233] (helo=smtp04.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZqZv-000821-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:56:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 19544 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 11:56:27 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.147.44]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp04.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Dec 2003 11:56:26 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031226125826.027edeb0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:58:26 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Rope 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 To Alan, Peter and Mal, Tnx for your comments. I have added my reply in red. Alan, G3NYK, wrote: Hi both, could I ask if the said insulator is fitted with an "anti-corona" ring. Severe changes in direction of the wire can produce quite high voltage gradients, even when not at the end of the run. Another thought is to series connect....ie put a "egg" in the short rope length. This will be effective if it is a "leakage" current but not if it is corona, which can act rather like a small blow-torch. This is why it pits the surface of the insulators. No Alan, it is not a matter of corona. I have never observed it. Moreover the rope failed where it passed over the pulley. If it had been corona I expect the burn would have been near to the "hot" end of the insulator. An "egg" would increase the leakage path slightly but the path will be increased already by some 16 cm due to the added "Radio Kootwijk" insulators. Peter, G3LDO wrote: I have had this trouble even when using Dick's "Radio Kootwijk" insulators. It only seems to happen where there is a short length of insulated rope between the insulator and the support. What seems to happen is that the insulator eventually becomes dirty (in my case covered with a thin film of salt). This, together with wet weather conditions, produces a conduction path that can carbonise the short rope support. The fix is to use copper wire between the insulator and the support fixing point. After a storm at sea I have seen blue spark tracts running along the salt coated insulator but this arrangement has not failed. However the insulator should be cleaned because such sparking causes minor damage to the surface of the insulator. The problem reported by Dick doesn't seem to happen where there is a long rope from the insulator to the support structure. Peter, I think the situation at your location near the sea is even worse than at my place, being some 15 km from the coast. Copper wire between the insulator and the fixing point is not possible with me because the insulator must be connected to the hoisting rope. I hope that the insertion of the "Radio Kootwijk" insulators next to the existing pyrex glass ones, plus using new rope that is less hygroscopic (is that English? It is not in my dictionary) will improve the situation sufficiently. Mal, G3KEV wrote: So far I never had a rope or insulation failure. No ignition or sparks or any wire burn out. I use marine grade rope available from any marine or yacht supplier. The rope comes in various sizes and the most useful for me is 2mm up to 15mm. Mal, do yo know what material the rope is made of? Does it absorb water? I made some measurents on remains of the aerial. The T-aerial consisted of a 2 x 20m dipole with 11m open line feeder with the feeder wires connected in the shack. The inverted L-aerial is just half of that, one 11 m feeder wire, connected to a 20m topload. T-aerial Inverted L-aerial. Capitance 385pF 210pF Total R of aerial-earth system 35 ohm 50 ohm Aerial current 3.2A 2.3A Part of the increased resistance is due to the larger loading coil required with the Inverted L-aerial; but the major part must be caused by the decreased "foot print" as Laurie calls it. Perhaps I will measure the ERMP of the Inverted-L to complete the picture. It was 140 milliwatt with the T-configuration. 73, Dick, PA0SE The transmitter I use on LF was constructed by Harry Grimbergen, PA0LQ. It is a semiconductor affair but with 4 valves PL519 in parallel in the PA. At an input of 0.9A at 500V it produces 300W output. At my request Harry has provided an extra input so the TX can be driven from an external frequency stable source instead of the built-in VFO. Yesterday I collected the modified transmitter. The aerial consists of a 2 x 20m dipole with 11m open line feeder without spreaders. The feeder wires are connected together in the shack and fed against earth, converting the dipole to a T-aerial.The two halves of the aerial can be hoisted separately. Starting transmitting the aerial ammeter swayed wildly and I heard a disturbing noise outside. It appeared that one half of the aerial had come down. It turned out that one hoisting rope had been burned through where it had passed the pulley. Between the pulley and the "pyrex" insulator had been some 15cm of rope. But it had been raining for several days and the rope bust have been soaking wet. See the attachments; the top end of the rope was on the pulley (sorry for the resemblance...) I intend to replace the rope and to insert extra ceramic insulators of the dog bone type as I have supplied to several British amateurs (they come from the closed down "Radio Kootwijk" commercial PTT-station). The rope was at least 10 years old and white when new. There has been some discussion on types of rope on the reflector recently but at that time I was not interested in the subject and rather clumsy deleted the messages. So may I open the subject again and kindly request your opinion as to the most suitable type for my application. As you can see in the attachment the type I used may absorb water rather easily and that obviously converted it into a conductor for a strong enough LF current to burn it. I have to wait for some better weather before tilting-over the mast and do the repairs. Perhaps I will first insert an extra insulator in the remaining half of the aerial (that can be done easily at ground level) and use it as an inverted-L aerial on LF. If that results in a reasonable aerial current I may even do some beaconing at night. 73, Dick, PA0SE. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95454 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 11:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 11:26:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 35712 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 11:26:59 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 11:26:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZ7AH-0009Au-Bc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:26:57 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZ79R-0000gX-8n for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:26:05 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.234] (helo=smtp05.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZ79P-0000gO-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:26:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 2760 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 11:26:02 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.130.12]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp05.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Dec 2003 11:25:54 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031224113817.0381be40@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:27:01 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Rope Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060101020402030304050308" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060101020402030304050308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE,

The transmitter I use on LF was constructed by Harry Grimbergen, PA0LQ. It is a semiconductor affair but with 4 valves PL519 in parallel in the PA. At an input of 0.9A at 500V it produces 300W output.
At my request Harry has provided an extra input so the TX can be driven from an external frequency stable source instead of the built-in VFO.
Yesterday I collected the modified transmitter.  The aerial consists of a 2 x 20m dipole with 11m open line feeder without spreaders. The feeder wires are connected together in the shack and fed against earth, converting the dipole to a T-aerial.The two halves of the aerial can be hoisted separately.

Starting transmitting the aerial ammeter swayed wildly and I heard a disturbing noise outside. It appeared that one half of the aerial had come down.
It turned out that one hoisting  rope had been burned through where it had passed the pulley.  Between the pulley and the "pyrex"  insulator had been some 15cm of rope. But it had been raining for several days and the rope bust have been soaking wet. See the attachments; the top end of the rope was on the pulley (sorry for the resemblance...)

I intend to replace the rope and to insert extra ceramic insulators of the dog bone type as I have supplied to several British amateurs (they come from the closed down  "Radio Kootwijk" commercial  PTT-station).

The rope was at least 10 years old and white when new.

There has been some discussion on types of rope on the reflector recently but at that time I was not interested  in the subject and rather clumsy deleted the messages. 

So may I open the subject again and kindly request  your opinion as to the most suitable type for my application. As you can see in the attachment the type I used may absorb water rather easily and that obviously converted it into a conductor for a strong enough LF current  to burn it.

I have to wait  for some better weather before tilting-over the mast and do the repairs.  Perhaps I will first insert an extra insulator in the remaining half of the aerial (that can be done easily at ground level) and use it as an inverted-L aerial on LF.  If that results in a reasonable aerial current I may even do some beaconing at night.

73, Dick, PA0SE.

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Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWctb-0008CS-CU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:43:27 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWcsa-0003Xb-VU for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:42:24 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.234] (helo=smtp05.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWcsZ-0003XS-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:42:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 11165 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:42:22 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.138.237]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp05.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Dec 2003 14:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031217142629.03a80840@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:18 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Field strength of PA0SE and DCF39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE,

This morning I measured the field strength of my transmitter again, after improving the insulation at the feed-through of the aerial to the shack, using the centre conductor plus insulation of RG-213 coax, surrounded by a paxolin tube through the hard wood window frame.

In the open countryside  at 5.83km from the aerial field strength was 610 microvolt/m. From this follows a radiated power of 140mW EMRP.

Transmitter output 300W
Aerial current 3.2A
From this follows:
Total resistance in the aerial-earth system is 300/(3.2 x 3.2) = 29.3 ohm.
Loss resistance in the coil  9.3 ohm.
Earth resistance  29.3 - 9.3 = 20 ohm.

When measuring FS I always measure the FS of DCF39 as well.

This morning  I found FS = 1.29mV/m in the countryside. This is remarkably low.
On 12 April 2000 I found 1.93mV/m
On 4 December 2003 it was 2.13mV/m.
                     
But when I measured FS in the afternoon in the shack it was back at  2.13 mV/m again.  (On an earlier occasion I have found that FS of DCF39 in the shack does not differ from what I measure in the open country, which is rather remarkable.)
So it seems DCF39 suffered a temporary power reduction this morning.

73, Dick, PA0SE  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74135 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 12:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 12:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 655 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2003 12:43:32 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 12:43:21 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVs3n-0002Wt-Lm for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:51 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.230] (helo=smtp01.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVs3m-0002We-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 11287 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 12:42:50 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.145.13]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp01.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2003 12:42:49 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031215133614.0305fd20@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:44:00 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: QRSS10 by PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I am grateful to CT1DRP, DF6NM, DJ2LF, G3NYK,  KL1X, M0BMU and W4DEX for comments and/or reports on my QRSS10 beaconing on 13/14 December.

I did not span the Atlantic but will certainly have another try when propagation is more favourable.

But first the transmitter must be made sufficiently frequency stable for QRSS30 or 60.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67352 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 12:07:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 12:07:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 9507 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2003 12:07:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 12:07:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVV0r-0001BP-BM for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:06:17 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.235] (helo=smtp06.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVV0q-0001BG-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:06:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 29842 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 12:06:16 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.149.210]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp06.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Dec 2003 12:06:15 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031214114836.0364b220@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:57:45 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <000a01c3c226$b92ebe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> References: <000a01c3c226$b92ebe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Walter,

No reports yet except from you and Alan.
But Alan reports that transatlantic propagation was poor, even CHF was very weak.

When I started at 2200 UTC on Saturday frequency was 135.9225 kHz and when I stopped Sunday morning at 0740 UTC frequency was 135,9209 Hz. So drift was 1,6 Hz. Though too much for serious transatlantic work not too bad for a VFO controlled transmitter.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 10:43 14-12-03, you wrote:
Hallo Dick, vy strong sign hr nr Erlangen. Hpe u got report from the other side of the pond.
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4056 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 16:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 16:14:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 13344 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 16:14:22 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 16:14:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVCOK-0002Tv-Rg for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:13:16 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.231] (helo=smtp02.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVCOJ-0002Tm-7I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:13:15 +0000 Received: (qmail 18768 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 16:13:14 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.168.186]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp02.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2003 16:13:12 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031213165941.034584b0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:11:57 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <001a01c3c15e$d8b78be0$670c8751@rogersservices> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031212235655.027d7a60@POP3.freeler.nl> <001a01c3c15e$d8b78be0$670c8751@rogersservices> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS by PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Tnx to Alan and Jim for their comments.

I intend to do so beaconing and as a compromise will use QRSS10.  I will try to stick to 135.922kHz, the frequency K1LX is monitoring (hope the receiver is on during his stay in London).
I will start at 2200 UTC on Saturday and perhaps continue till 0800 UTC on Sunday.

I can check the frequency with a counter having 1 Hz resolution at ten times the transmit frequency. But It is unrealistic to expect I can  maintain  frequency to that accuracy, especially during sleeping time.
Text will be PA0SE repeated.
Keeping my fingers crossed....

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 10:51 13-12-03, you wrote:
Dear Dick,
 
It depends what sort of operation you are going for - most random 2-way QSOs take place between about 137.650 and 137.750kHz at a speed of 3s/dot. At this speed, a few Hz drift is not a serious problem, and VFOs are quite practical, provided you monitor the frequency. The easiest way to do that is to watch your TX frequency on the RX spectrogram display - that way it is easy to see if your QRG is drifting across someone else's signal. At most QTHs there are fixed-frequency spectral lines visible in the display which make convenient calibration markers when you get to know them. Most operation seems to take place after dark and before midnight, but it is not unusual to see QRSS during the day.
 
For the transatlantic or other long-distance beacon-type operations, longer dot lengths are needed, usually 30s or more, with consequently better stability. The choice of frequency varies according to prevailing activity - at the moment, the trend is for non-european stations to use frequencies around 137.78kHz, while the Europeans use around 135.92, to avoid causing blocking to nearby stations - but this varies between individual operations. For transatlantic beacons, propagation normally starts to open up about 2300 or so, and to fade out when it gets light, about 0800utc.
 
Good luck - not sure if I will be QRV today or not, but will try to be tomorrow evening, so might see you then.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
As I am new to QRSS I have some  questions:

1. What frequency to be used.
2. What speed to be used.
3. At what times transmission to be started and finished.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27011 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 23:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 23:09:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 8539 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2003 23:09:56 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 23:09:43 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUwPU-0007fm-H0 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:09:24 +0000 Received: from [213.218.75.235] (helo=smtp06.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUwPT-0007fd-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:09:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 21400 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 23:09:23 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.147.114]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp06.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Dec 2003 23:09:21 -0000 Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031212235655.027d7a60@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:11:05 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: QRSS by PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

The coming night 13/14 December I would like to try QRSS for the first time.
The transmitter I use has been built and used by Harry, PA0LQ. Output power 300W, aerial current 3A.
I have recently measured radiated power to be of the order of 100 milliwatt. So chance of success is rather remote. But one never knows.

There may be a problem though. The TX is controlled by a VFO at ten times the transmit frequency and some frequency drift is unavoidable. If this really is a problem I will ask Harry to modify the transmitter so that the VFO can be replaced by the Wandel & Goltermann SPM -12/SP-12 combination. The output of the SP-12 can be frequency locked to a crystal. Any remaining drift will be reduced by a factor of ten. But for a first effort I would like the TX as is.

As I am new to QRSS I have some  questions:

1. What frequency to be used.
2. What speed to be used.
3. At what times transmission to be started and finished.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4279 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 19:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 19:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 75937 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 19:38:22 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 19:38:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AX3yW-000JbJ-V9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:38:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AX3y5-0007gl-Uo for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:37:53 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.103] (helo=imo-r07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AX3y5-0007gc-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:37:53 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: DL4YHF@aol.com Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.15c.297de847 (16930) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:37:15 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <15c.297de847.2d135beb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:37:15 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: CHECK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe and group,

Is is really
  Eradiation
or is it
  Irradiation
? - or all this just the same.

There is a nice online translator at
http://dict.leo.org
which didn't know anything about Eradiation.

Seasons greetings,

Wolf  DL4YHF

(still at precisely 0.0000 watts radiated power on LF)


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54131 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 14:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 14:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 15915 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2003 14:47:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 14:46:18 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUoX7-0000zj-GK for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:44:45 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.38] (helo=imo-d06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUoX6-0000zS-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:44:44 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: DL4YHF@aol.com Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.149.1e340eba (3924) for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:44:06 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <149.1e340eba.2d0b2e35@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:44:05 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Soundcard bandpass filter? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello David and group,


> Would the new 'filter' incorporated into  V2.3 spectrum Lab do this?

Yes, it does. In fact the 'new filter' uses FFT and inverse FFT to produce any filter response as you like. You may use a standard bandpass with adjustable center frequency and bandwidth, or 'draw' the desired frequency response with the mouse. All this is in the "Filter Control Window" which pops up when you click on the filter block in the center of the test circuit diagram.

For a relatively easy start, load the file "VlfLsn2.usr" which contains all necessary settings for a stereo filter with FFT, originally used for listening to signals in the VLF range. You may turn of one channel to reduce the CPU load, or reduce the sampling rate from 44kHz to 11kHz which is appropriate for typical SSB bandwidths.

If you need more info please ask, because the documentation of some of the special functions (like autonotch and denoiser) is very sparse.

Regards and seasons greetings from cold and misty DL,

Wolf DL4YHF.


P.S: Hope to be back on LF soon. At the moment, neither antenna nor transmitter in functional state...

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46302 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 15:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 15:29:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 7447 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 15:29:40 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 15:29:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZXQh-0001pR-IO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:29:39 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZXQX-0005TZ-U1 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:29:29 +0000 Received: from [167.142.228.65] (helo=cgpf1.cgp.netins.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZXQX-0005TQ-0C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:29:29 +0000 Received: from [167.142.32.126] (HELO netins.net) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 529645027; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:29:27 -0600 Message-ID: <3FEB0257.4010504@netins.net> Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:29:27 -0600 X-Bad-From: no @ sign From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dr._Tom_Gruis=2C_K=D8HTF?=" Organization: www.gruis.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c3c9f6$9ec2a500$8773883e@d6y6c7> <1AZXLH-2663bE0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> In-reply-to: <1AZXLH-2663bE0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> Subject: Re: LF: Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 4 Hi from Iowa, US - EN31do! I read a lot but seldom post - but that does not mean that the list is not appreciated! MERRY CHRISTMAS! Doc, KŲHTF and LW Beacon "D" From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24609 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 10:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 10:19:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 74523 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 10:19:30 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 10:19:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AauUj-000JH9-6X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:19:29 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AauTt-0004VI-53 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:18:37 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 80.68.4.13 Received: from [80.68.4.13] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AauTq-0004V9-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:18:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 69105 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 13:18:02 +0300 X-Fake-Domain: ed.dx Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 13:18:02 +0300 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:17:48 +0000 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Suspect-Bulk-Mailer: The Bat! X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <8584022627.20031229131748@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <001101c3ccba$dbde05d0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> References: <001101c3ccba$dbde05d0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH 2nd night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi LF-enthusiasts, Unfortunately I had an opportunity on reception a beacon ZL6QH only 1 time (evening on Saturday - I have a lot of works last days of year)... anything noticed - only some a dashes(?) abt 137,789.1 in 1600-1620z ;-(( The level of QRN/QRM was extremely low - abt S1 on S-meter of TS-850 with the external RF-amplifier in +25dB and 500+250Hz IF filters ! (it is usual S1-2 without the RF-amp in winter time - at the september's beacons was S5-6 without RF-amp) RX: ANT - 2km BOG (beverage on the ground) + 2.1kHz electromechanical filter(centered 136.75kHz) on an input RF-amp (+25dB) + TS-850 (500+250Hz IF filters) I believe, as the useful signals too were very strongly absorbed (DCF39 was abt S9 with RF-amp in 25dB - it is usual abt S9 without RF-amp) Interestingly also - same absorption (the low level of QRM/QRN and the useful signals) was observed on 160m - on Icom-775 with the RF-amp in 10dB and full size Quad QRN/QRM level was S2-3 - it is usual abt S3-4 without RF-amp) The level of QRM/QRN has grown up to S3-4(with RF-amp) after 18z - I very much confidently began to recept OM2TW, YU7AR, S52AB, F6CWA I hope that in the following beacon's tests the success can reach me ;-) HNY 2004 ! I hope LF propagation in 2004 year will be much better than in a season the autumn - winter 2003 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96154 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 20:10:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 20:10:39 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 19436 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 20:10:39 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 20:10:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Abmfs-0004Yt-QG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:10:36 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbmfY-0007Pz-Qa for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:10:16 +0000 Received: from [151.164.30.28] (helo=mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbmfS-0007Pq-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:10:11 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (adsl-68-91-12-43.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [68.91.12.43]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBVKA6OG012523 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:10:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBVKA5Hd029115 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:10:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBVKA50R029111 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:10:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:10:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: insulators Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi, I asked previously about mica and had several good suggestions come back (like, stay away from mica, for one :) including sources for cheap ham insulators of all shapes and sizes. Before I give up on making my own, though, I found one other material I'd like to ask you about: from the same local source as the mica I found phenolic boards. These are (by eyeball, again) about 1.2cm x 10cm x 40cm and about twenty clams US. Thought I could cut several from one of these. Someone pointed out that mica would likely fail mechanically and also probably absorb water. Do any of you know how the phenolic would fare in this regard? Thank you, Eric From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78749 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 22:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 22:01:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 38060 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 22:00:59 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 22:00:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYuaI-0009ms-Mc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:00:58 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYua4-0003Xt-6E for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:00:44 +0000 Received: from [151.164.30.28] (helo=mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYua3-0003Xk-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:00:43 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (adsl-68-91-12-43.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [68.91.12.43]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBNM0frU026819 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:00:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBNM0fHd005620 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:00:41 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBNM0f63005616 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:00:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:00:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000801c3c99e$b0e4b460$6507a8c0@Main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: insulators Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi -- yes, I was advised off-reflector that it might absorb water. Ok -- I'll find something that will work :) Thanks for the advice! Eric > Hi Eric Mica probably ok in compression but I would have worries about it > taking the strain of the wire. Also might not rain get into it and crack it > in the frost?? It sounds too good to waste. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93770 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 21:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 21:13:01 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 83185 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 21:13:01 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 21:13:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYtps-000LWm-Jq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:13:00 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYtpY-0002il-9y for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:12:40 +0000 Received: from [151.164.30.28] (helo=mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYtpX-0002ic-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:12:39 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (adsl-68-91-12-43.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [68.91.12.43]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBNLCRrU013278 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:12:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBNLCRHd005570 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:12:27 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBNLCQdP005566 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:12:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:12:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: insulators Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi, On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Eric KD5UWL wrote: > I found some mica sheets today, about 10cm square and 7mm thick... ...then again, these may be too brittle and prone to cleave -- I don't know. I'll certainly check it out and post a message if it works well for me -- or is an utter disaster. Eric From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6884 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 20:52:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 20:52:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 54443 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 20:52:06 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 20:52:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYtVd-000E2x-7R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:52:05 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYtVJ-0002Ff-J3 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:51:45 +0000 Received: from [64.164.98.52] (helo=mtaw4.prodigy.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYtVD-0002FW-Op for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:51:39 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (adsl-68-91-12-43.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [68.91.12.43]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBNKpWkK022778 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBNKpVHd005525 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:51:31 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBNKpVsA005521 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:51:31 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:51:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000101c3c994$9e8895c0$6507a8c0@Main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: insulators Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Thanks, Alan, I found some mica sheets today, about 10cm square and 7mm thick. I may cut some of these to near-toothbrush :) size and see how they work out unless you guys have previous experience with mica and know it to be a poor choice. Otherwise, I'll let you know how it works out. I will employ the corona rings. Thank you very much for your suggestions. 73 Eric > Hi Eric I am not sure about dacron.....but it might not be the conduction > through the water laden "rope" it might be that you have a corona problem. > At that power level its like playing a small flame on the support structure, > then once there is a bit of carbonisation its all "downhill". Do you have > circular "corona rings" at every wire end and sharp bend?? I think this will > help a lot. The guys here have used all sorts of plastic off-cuts for > insulators....down to old tooth brush handles (!!) at 600W or so. Any > plastic can carbonise but its a lot lighter than pyrex or ceramic From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49342 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 17:49:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 17:49:08 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 51341 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 17:49:08 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 17:49:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYqeY-000DF7-IR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:49:06 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYqe8-0007Uk-6S for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:48:40 +0000 Received: from [64.164.98.8] (helo=mta7.pltn13.pbi.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYqe2-0007Ub-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:48:34 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (adsl-68-91-12-43.dsl.tulsok.swbell.net [68.91.12.43]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBNHmRTB019137 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBNHmQHd005310 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:48:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBNHmQqv005306 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:48:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:48:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <3FE87C9A.7010900@virgin.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: insulators Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 The new XFX flattop is coming together. Where the flattop wires connect to the aluminum spreaders I need some insulators. With lower power I've used electric fence insulators, but I'm afraid that won't be enough here. I've considered using these insulators anyway, attaching the flattop wires to the insulators, and then the insulators to the spreaders using some kind of fiber (dacron, etc), but I'm afraid that when this gets wet I'll be in trouble. What about using monofilament at this point? Seems like I once read someone having success using heavy weedeater line, saying that it doesn't hold water like some kind of rope would. Has anyone tried this? How does it stand up to the sun? Any better suggestions? 73 Eric From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67885 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:54:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 8864 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:54:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:54:39 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVXdW-0003E4-Ud for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:54:22 +0000 Received: from [66.137.58.188] (helo=willow.nutstreet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVXdV-0003Dr-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:54:21 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBEEsH10010673 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:54:18 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBEEsHx3010669 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:54:17 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 08:54:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <1e1.159538fd.2d0dd1d9@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA, CFH qrp?, QRSS Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi, Markus, On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > No trace from Eric or Laurence was ever received here - but > that would have been a miracle anyhow. Yes, it certainly would have been a miracle if you'd received my beacon "XFX" this morning :) -- I'm still down due to corona damage. Working on my new antenna now - a flattop. Hope to be back on before the first. 73 Eric From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52614 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 15:34:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 15:34:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 9824 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2003 15:34:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 15:32:39 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUSna-000472-Rr for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:32:18 +0000 Received: from [66.137.58.188] (helo=willow.nutstreet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUSnU-00046n-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:32:13 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBFW910026521 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:32:09 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBBFW8Ze026517 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:32:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:32:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <001201c3bffa$81efa000$b6e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: mail Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi, > According to the TV news today all unsolicited mail is now illegal and those sending it will be prosecuted. I hope this is the end of spam buisness. Others probably have seen the same news and know more about it. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV That is EXCELLENT news, for as we all know, people don't do things that are against the law. Eric From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33014 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:07:30 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 6613 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:06:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:06:46 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASISr-0007qw-E2 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:05:57 +0000 Received: from [64.216.176.105] (helo=willow.nutstreet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASISq-0007qn-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:05:56 +0000 Received: from willow.nutstreet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB5H5q10005809 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:05:52 -0600 Received: from localhost (eric@localhost) by willow.nutstreet.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hB5H5qhB005805 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:05:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:05:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000a01c3ba7d$9efa7bc0$cc7f883e@d6y6c7> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: XFX update Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi, I expect to have XFX back up on 137780.8 by Christmas with new and improved (read: larger) antenna and correspondingly smaller loading coil. 73 Eric From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76196 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 16:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 16:36:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 35499 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 16:36:36 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 16:36:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaHQZ-00097r-4D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:36:35 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaHQF-0000JJ-Cg for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:36:15 +0000 Received: from [68.1.17.242] (helo=lakemtao03.cox.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaHQE-0000JA-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:36:14 +0000 Received: from mindspring.com ([68.98.141.58]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031227163538.OOEV2192.lakemtao03.cox.net@mindspring.com>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:35:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3FEDB477.3010000@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:33:59 -0500 From: "Frank Gentges" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Tacos" References: <000401c3cbb5$be1d0d80$6464a8c0@local> In-reply-to: <000401c3cbb5$be1d0d80$6464a8c0@local> Subject: Re: LF: Rubidium Freq Standard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Markus, I have scanned the manual for the Efratom FRS rubidium standard. I could send it to you if that would be helpful in your quest. It is 1.3 MB in size. Frank K0BRA PY3CRX PY2PLL wrote: >Hi ... > >I got a Rubidium Freq Standard, 10MHz, manufactured by Frequency Electronics >Inc. Its model is FE-5650A, still being manufactured. Aparently it doesn“t >lock after 4 or 5 minutes ... warm-up etc , 10MHz signal is there but >unlocked. > >Does anybody knows something abt this device ? The manufacturer website have >some tech docs explaining how it works ... there“s a DDS inside etc but I >guess the main rubidium cell is not working (a 6.8GHz FLL). > >73 >Marcus, PY3CRX/PY2PLL >GG66rf >http://py.qsl.br >Active from "DC" to 24GHz > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91709 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 15:20:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:20:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 17095 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2003 15:20:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:17:50 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVuSr-0004iG-Ax for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:16:53 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.102] (helo=imo-r06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVuSq-0004ht-DG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:16:52 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: G0MRF@aol.com Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.141.1ebd538e (24895) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <141.1ebd538e.2d0f2a42@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:16:18 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Subject: LF: LF QSO. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/15/03 1:40:18 PM GMT Standard Time, g4wgt@talkgas.net writes:

At breakfast time this morning I looked down the garden &saw half the top
loading wires on the antenna were hanging down the side of my metal
telescopic mast, a support line had broken. I will endevour to carry out a
repair today (monday 15th if my work schedule allows)& be back on again
soon


Congratulations on the first QSO Gary........and welcome to the world of high voltages on your antenna......Best avoid 'braided' polypropylene etc as water gets trapped between the fibres.  A good glass or ceramic insulator or similar should be reliable. I look forward to hearing you on the band.

73

David   G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97364 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 01:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 01:50:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 11040 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 01:50:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 01:49:57 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUcQW-0005RT-MU for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:49:08 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.4] (helo=imo-m01.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUcQV-0005RE-Pm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:49:07 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: G0MRF@aol.com Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.28.41604b50 (4206) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <28.41604b50.2d0a7870@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:48:32 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Subject: LF: Soundcard bandpass filter? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello group.

Does anyone know of a programme that can produce an audio bandpass filter from a soundcard?

I'm trying to find something that will allow me to specify a frequency of interest and to have the DSP remove signals above and below two cut-off frequencies.

Reason: twofold, 1) I've recently recorded some EME signals from 70cms as .wav files and I'm trying to recover reasonable audio.
2) It occurs to me that the LF QRSS beacons regularly visible from VO/RU/ etc. are actually very strong and it should be possible to filter and speed up  a stored QRSS file to something like normal CW........just for fun

Would the new 'filter' incorporated into  V2.3 spectrum Lab do this?

Seasons greetings es 73

David   G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67479 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 22:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 22:08:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 43583 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 22:08:36 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 22:08:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZHBD-000BE5-K5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:08:35 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZHAf-00041G-PF for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:08:01 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZHAf-000417-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:08:01 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-90.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.90] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AZHAd-000HxF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:08:00 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (erica) Message-ID: <004101c3ca6c$58838980$5ace28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031224113817.0381be40@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:17:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Rope Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dick Rollema said ----------------------- Starting transmitting the aerial ammeter swayed wildly and I heard a disturbing noise outside. It appeared that one half of the aerial had come down. It turned out that one hoisting rope had been burned through where it had passed the pulley. Between the pulley and the "pyrex" insulator had been some 15cm of rope. But it had been raining for several days and the rope bust have been soaking wet. See the attachments; the top end of the rope was on the pulley I intend to replace the rope and to insert extra ceramic insulators of the dog bone type as I have supplied to several British amateurs (they come from the closed down "Radio Kootwijk" commercial PTT-station). ----------------------- I have had this trouble even when using Dick's "Radio Kootwijk" insulators. It only seems to happen where there is a short length of insulated rope between the insulator and the support. What seems to happen is that the insulator eventually becomes dirty (in my case covered with a thin film of salt). This, together with wet weather conditions, produces a conduction path that can carbonise the short rope support. The fix is to use copper wire between the insulator and the support fixing point. After a storm at sea I have seen blue spark tracts running along the salt coated insulator but this arrangement has not failed. However the insulator should be cleaned because such sparking causes minor damage to the surface of the insulator. The problem reported by Dick doesn't seem to happen where there is a long rope from the insulator to the support structure. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22590 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 22:17:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 22:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 4939 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 22:17:27 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 22:17:21 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASOCy-0004kO-MV for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:13:56 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASOCx-0004kF-VI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:13:56 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-75.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.75] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ASOCp-000A18-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:13:49 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (erica) Message-ID: <000901c3bb7e$dc26a760$4be086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c3bb4b$2cde18c0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 22:25:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: re PL259s Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060900000303050606080104" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060900000303050606080104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alan G3NYK said: > This was a time when most homebrew gear used Belling-Lee TV > connectors...which cost about 1/6d ...or 7.5p in funny money. The inflow of > the Japanese rigs made the "UHF" connector popular, but CB sealed its fate > with the really tatty connectors and coax to match. > Very true. This subject crops up a lot in correspondence regarding the Antennas column in RadCom. I have included part of this as an attachment. It will also check if I am getting into the 'new' LF reflector. 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--------------060900000303050606080104-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53688 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 18:32:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 94867 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 18:32:01 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 18:32:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AX2wK-000OZQ-Gn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:32:00 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AX2vo-0006Px-4N for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:28 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.14] (helo=gourd.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AX2vn-0006Po-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:31:27 +0000 Received: from [213.40.209.32] (helo=taylormade) by gourd.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AX2vI-0003cT-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:30:56 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:30:47 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <000c01c3c57e$4cd22ee0$8fe4fc3e@l8p8y6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: WIN XP Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mal,
 
I am using Argo, QRS & Spectrum Lab with Windows XP Home and no problems.
 
73
 
Gary - G4WGT.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
Sent: 18 December 2003 15:47
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: WIN XP

Hi All
 
Does anyone know if the popular progs ARGO, SPECLAB and ON7YD QRS work with Windows XP
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7416 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 19:30:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 19:30:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 5792 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 19:30:20 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 19:30:02 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVyPO-0008Ew-8U for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:29:34 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVyPN-0008En-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:29:33 +0000 Received: from [213.40.203.226] (helo=taylormade) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AVyOs-0001iM-E6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:29:03 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:28:59 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <003701c3c328$d8b89730$2701a8c0@lubon> Subject: LF: RE: Re: LF QSO. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi Marek, Regarding your comments, when I was recently testing my Tx & antenna I accidentally touched the LF antenna loading coil & I recieved an RF burn to the surface of my finger it did not feel like an electric shock & it was just the same as when I used to work with televisions & recieved many such burns working around the line output circuits, CRT based televisions produce up to 25 Kv at 15 Khz so it is much the same. 73 Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Marek SQ5BPM Sent: 15 December 2003 16:31 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: LF QSO. A story from my last activity on 6/7 December: Since this accident I don't have to explain _again_ to be careful due to a really high voltage in the wire and the tuning coil - everybody knows it too well... BTW is THIS frequency causing "only" a scalding or an electric shock or both? HF stays on the body surface, might burn the skin, but what about 137kHz? I am simply curious... 73! Marek SQ5BPM SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90309 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 13:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 13:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4020 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 13:39:32 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 13:39:27 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVswA-0003LD-NF for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:39:02 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVswA-0003L2-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:39:02 +0000 Received: from [213.40.202.250] (helo=taylormade) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AVsve-0007jb-EH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:38:31 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:38:28 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF QSO. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi to Jim (M0BMU) & all at LF, I had my first LF QSO last night (sunday 14th) after Jim (M0BMU) called me when I was doing some final testing using the G0MRF 300 watt Tx on its highest setting, this produced a DC input of 315 watts. Jim gave me a good report & suggested we go to normal CW (this I will have to work on, not used normal CW for 15 years or so)as both of us were S6. I replied to Jim provisionally agreeing but half way thro' the over I heard/saw a strong signal during my QSK word breaks, it was Jim already sending a reply to the over I had not finnished sending, looking at my Tx meters I saw my PA current down to 5 amps & the SWR up to 2 : 1, this is not good I thought so I terminated the transmission. At breakfast time this morning I looked down the garden & saw half the top loading wires on the antenna were hanging down the side of my metal telescopic mast, a support line had broken. I will endevour to carry out a repair today (monday 15th if my work schedule allows)& be back on again soon. Jims call to me & the report he gave me has given me much encouragement, thanks Jim. I will brush up on my normal CW & maybe I can help introduce a greater level of normal CW as I would like to re-gain this skill again. Perhaps a few slow hand sent QSO's will bring it back again. Also I would again like to thank all of you who have advised & helped with my technical problems. 73 Gary - G4WGT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73364 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 12:52:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 12:52:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 85678 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 12:52:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 12:52:17 -0000 Received: from ns.sbs.sk ([192.108.125.11] helo=alpha.sbs.sk) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbJM8-000MAX-8Y for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:52:16 +0000 Received: from hermes.sbs.sk (hermes.sbs.sk [192.108.125.51]) by alpha.sbs.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0152DC8; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:50:16 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: btss005a.sbs.sk Received: from btss005a.sbs.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.180]) by hermes.sbs.sk (8.12.6/8.12.6/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id hBUCoFii020827; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:50:15 +0100 Received: by btss.siemens-pse.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:50:15 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (btss.siemens-pse.sk) Message-ID: From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: webmaster@lwca.org, g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Subject: Special event station on LF... Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:50:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090701070308020209070004" X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090701070308020209070004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all LF-ers... During the year 2004 (1.1.-31.12.2004) will be QRV special event station OM100TS (100=100 years TS=Tone System) on all LF, HF and VHF/UHF/SHF/MW bands, but mostly on LF with mode DFCW. Why? Because on 10. of may 1904 (100 years ago) had J.Murgas patented the "Tone System of Wireless Telegraphy" (in principle is the same as DFCW). Because it's 100-th anniversary of this patent, the famous patent of J.Murgas - Slovak inventor of radio, we will celebrate this year with this callsign to remember him. JOSEPH MURGAS(1864-1929) - Catholic priest from Slovakia. Artist and scientist. Had patents on "Tone System of Wireless Telegraphy" which he sold to Marconi. More information: http://earlyradiohistory.us/1904murg.htm http://205.160.127.253/Murgas/ http://earlyradiohistory.us/1905mu.htm http://www.saraclub.net/sept2003readout.pdf http://www.qsl.net/k3ytl/formore.htm 73 de Rich OM2TW --------------090701070308020209070004 Content-Type: image/bmp; name="Obr2.bmp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Obr2.bmp" Qk0epQIAAAAAAD4AAAAoAAAAqQQAAHQEAAABAAEAAAAAAOCkAgDCHgAAwh4AAAIAAAAAAAAA AAAAAP///wD///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////8AAP// ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////+f// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////////////////////////////wAA//////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Sam, I just leave the office. So, in about 1 hour I'll be home. So I can be QRV from 1830 GMT. It's OK? Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: rn6bn [mailto:rn6bn@73.ru] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: test Hello ! Today (04/dec/2003) test my equipments. 137.7 17 - 19 GMT -- Best regards, Sam, rn6bn mailto:rn6bn@73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29164 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 09:21:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 09:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16796 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2003 09:21:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 09:20:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AQkD6-0005pz-77 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:19:16 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 192.108.125.11 Received: from [192.108.125.11] (helo=alpha.sbs.sk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AQkD1-0005pq-DT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:19:11 +0000 Received: from hermes.sbs.sk (hermes.sbs.sk [192.108.125.51]) by alpha.sbs.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F791333 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:19:07 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: btss005a.sbs.sk Received: from btss005a.sbs.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.180]) by hermes.sbs.sk (8.12.6/8.12.6/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id hB19J6Du026513 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:19:06 +0100 Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:19:06 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (btss.swh.sk) Message-ID: From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:19:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: Last weekend... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi lfers... After a long time (since march) I'm again QRV on 136kHz. I have had a busy year in my business. I have worked S52AB (CW and QRSS), I5TGC and some HA's (10 HA statiopns!!!) from the 314m high tower (profesional site) near Budapest. They were QRV with the call HA70VLF with only 1W. Last night I made some receiving test on 137.777khz. Nothing heard from VO1NA. I have made only some captures from my signal on G3YXM graber....sometimes clear "O". I'm ready for a sked, but I prefer weekends, because still QRL. Enjoy LF 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89024 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 16:04:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 16:04:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 44814 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 16:04:46 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 16:04:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Abipx-000BXx-O4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:04:45 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Abip7-0003pD-Vw for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:03:53 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Abip7-0003p4-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:03:53 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.34]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031231160352.BDEW19255.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:03:52 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000101c3cfb4$13c44a80$22e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:11:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LD 30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
I have a mint W & G LD-30 group delay and attenuation measuring set. For those that do not know this equipment, it has a Sender and Receiver and covers 200 hz - 20 khz and apart from its design use it looks like it would make a nice sensitive LF rx. The range could be extended by external converters to cover 136 khz etc.
I do not have any manuals.
Does anyone have tech info for this machine or any ideas.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12244 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:56:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 37973 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:56:39 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:56:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbP2k-0009lm-ND for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:38 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbP2Q-0001To-B8 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:18 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbP2P-0001Tf-TD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:17 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.229.33]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031230185617.XRYR281.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:17 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000801c3cf02$ffcfd280$21e5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FEF1FE8.31DEB163@att.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:29:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 135.922 kHz near real time monitoring page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" To: "RSGB LF" Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: LF: 135.922 kHz near real time monitoring page > Many of us LF chaps here in NA are suffering withdrawals from lack of > T/A signals. In hopes of encouraging some activity I have set up a page > that presently shows the 135.919 to 135.925 kHz window. It is running > QRSS30 slow which would work with a QRSS60 or longer signal. The window > frequency calibration is fairly accurate so try to avoid the loran > lines. > > Send us some RF and check the page to see if the path is open. Us weak > signal LF junkies will appreciate the fix. Hi Dexter I can send you plenty of LF RF as you already know from previous observations your end. What I want in return is a proper QSO on normal CW. I will TX on 136 and you TX on say 7025 khz. If any others are interested so much the better. I do not want to send out repeative and meaningless Beacon signals, I and others already know we can get across the Atlantic and vice versa from VE to Europe. I have an array of LF antennas just rusting away. de Mal/G3KEV > > This page should auto reload every minute: > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.htm > > If your bandwidth is limited you may want to do manual reloads from > here: > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.jpg > > Dexter, w4dex > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82947 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:56:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9456 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:56:39 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:56:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbP2k-0002Lp-NA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:38 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbP2O-0001Tb-Rl for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:16 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbP2O-0001TS-B9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:16 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.229.33]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031230185615.XRXH281.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:15 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000701c3cf02$feb27ba0$21e5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FF17603.1CF1C914@att.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:18:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 135.9xx kHz Report from NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" To: "RSGB LF" ; "lowfer" Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: LF: 135.9xx kHz Report from NC > CT1DRP was again coming into NC last night. QRN was moderate. Brian's > signal was first detected at 0000 UT and last seen at 0600 UT. Best > signal was at about 0340 UT. Capture posted at: > > http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/03_12_30.jpg > > W1TAG and W1VD reported clear copy. > Hi Dex I am surprised no one is trying xband QSO;S like I did a couple of years ago. I do not see the point of watching a Beacon every night. I am interested in someone over your way listening for me on normal hand sent CW with the possibility of a xband QSO 136/7025 KHZ until some permits are issued your end for 136 khz TX. I have mentioned this before but no one across in W or VE at present seems interested. So far enough observation work has been done each end to know that signals get across the Atlantic, so a next step would be some QSO'S. Others that I know think the same way, not interested in Beacons. Over the Xmas holiday period only one UK station appeared, the rest have gone QRT, most for the reasons specified above. I am having a lot of fun on the other bands, but if LF dx enthusiasm sourges I could be encouraged to SWITCH ON again. A field full of LF antennas at this QTH just rotting away. Happy New Year de Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13150 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 18:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 18:33:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 84853 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 18:33:43 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 18:33:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AafjR-000Lxm-QV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:33:41 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aafj1-0001HE-GK for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:33:15 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aafiw-0001Gp-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:33:10 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.206.13]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031228183308.PADB19255.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:33:08 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000101c3cd6d$6ee77de0$0dcefc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031227144750.035a8d70@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:04:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: LF: "T" versus "L"aerial

To All from PA0SE

Further to my e-mail of 26 December I measured the field strength as radiated by the aerial in
Inverted L-configuration. From this I found EMRP = 57 milliwatt.

This confirms the benificial effect of top loading. The T-aerial radiated 140 milliwatt.

So going from a single 20m top load wire for the "L" to 2 x 20m for the "T" resulted in an improvement by a factor 2.46 (3.9dB) in radiated power.

The vertical part of the "T" consisted of an open wire feedline of 11m with the two wires connected in parallel in the attic shack. For the "L" one of the feedline wires was removed. I assume this did not appreciably affect the EMRP.
HI Dick
From your explanation using open wire feeder you are using an inv L with one feeder wire connected and with the 2 feeders strapped at the shack end then you have two inverted  L antennas in parallel. A true T antenna has both feeder wires connected at the top as well as the bottom, in fact do not use open wire feeder, connect one wire to the centre of your T horizontal at the top and the bottom of your single wire to the loading coil and matching unit.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
                          .

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93533 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 16:34:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 16:34:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 51565 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 16:34:24 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 16:34:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aadrz-000DIy-RT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:34:23 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AadrO-0007Ch-AX for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:33:46 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AadrN-0007CY-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:33:45 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.114]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031228163344.WBJX13664.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:33:44 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000201c3cd5c$bce7d0a0$72e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:42:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: MARINE ROPE/INSULATORS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,LINES_OF_YELLING,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    Hi All
There has been a lot of requests for info about the rope and insulators that I use. The reels of rope contain about 200 plus metres but there is no material specification, again the CRAB POT SPINNERS do not have any material info.
My QTH is only about 2 miles from the sea and the rope and spinners/insulators have never given any trouble. They are used in the marine/fishing industry by sea going ships and are very rubust in a hostile sea water environment.
Any of the POLY **** components that I have encountered eg rope, spinners used by the marine industry are waterproof.
I  would expect that these items are available world wide around Ports, Docks and Marine establishments.
Good hunting
de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
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Hi All
Quite a bit of EU acty on QRS over the Xmas period and not a UK station to be seen or heard. Some stns active had some WOBBLE possibly because of too many refreshments Vodka etc or too many Turkeys in the oven and the mains was sagging. Big electricity demand.
I hope a good Xmas was enjoyed by all
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55456 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 17:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 17:06:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 68331 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 17:06:23 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 17:06:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZYwI-000HZB-F2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:06:22 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZYvo-0007AX-6f for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:05:52 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZYvn-0007AO-CT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:05:51 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.208.164]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031225170545.XJTI281.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:05:45 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000201c3cb08$1bf7afe0$a4d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031224113817.0381be40@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:05:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Rope Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: LF: Rope

To All from PA0SE,

Hi Dick
So far I never had a rope or insulation failure. No ignition or sparks or any wire burn out.
I use marine grade rope available from any marine or yacht supplier. The rope comes in various sizes and the most useful for me is 2mm up to 15mm. The heavier rope is used for guying towers and the other sizes for suspending antenna wires from the tower via insulators. The insulators used are called crab pot spinners, white in colour and made from polyurethane type material. These insulators are about 100 cms long and 40 cms wide. Pulleys that I use are stainless steel with poly runners. This combination guarantees trouble free antennas. Looking up the only sparks that you are likely to see are from the moon and stars, and the odd aurora !!!!!!!!!
The wx seems to have little effect on the above material, they are manufactured for use in a hostile environment.
73 de Mal/G3KEV and Merry Xmas and HNY to all
 

 


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OM2TW now calling CQ XMAS DE OM2TW on 137.7 khz. Good Luck Rich hpe u get a QSO. Merry Xmas and HNY and tnx all the QSO'S in the past on 136 khz CW.
De Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29797 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 16:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 16:41:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15279 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 16:41:14 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 16:41:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AXkAD-0003pG-GC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:41:13 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AXk9K-0000kf-KU for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:40:18 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AXk9F-0000kW-EB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:40:13 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.247]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031220164012.DRZC19255.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:40:12 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000201c3c716$bc6eece0$f7d1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:48:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TNX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Thanks for the many replies regarding my query about Windows XP. It seems all the useful progs run FB. I remember a  comment a while back on the reflector about some problems when writing progs for machines using XP. It was not as user friendly as Win 95 or 98.
Thanks again and the SPAM is getting worse it would be easy to miss a genuine message amongst the total rubbish that is now swamping the network. If something cannot be done to eliminate SPAM most will get fed up and forget about email. The networks now must be shifting 90% rubbish mail that no one wants, not very cost effective for all concerned.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
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Hi All
 
Does anyone know if the popular progs ARGO, SPECLAB and ON7YD QRS work with Windows XP
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49902 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 16:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 16:41:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 18943 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 16:41:43 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 16:41:35 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVCpI-0002sn-9V for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:41:08 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVCpH-0002se-E5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:41:07 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.125]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031213164105.UVWO261.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:41:05 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <001401c3c198$25dc7320$7de8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031212235655.027d7a60@POP3.freeler.nl> <001a01c3c15e$d8b78be0$670c8751@rogersservices> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:42:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS by PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 9:51 AM
Subject: LF: Re: QRSS by PA0SE

Dear Dick,
 
It depends what sort of operation you are going for - most random 2-way QSOs take place between about 137.650 and 137.750kHz at a speed of 3s/dot. At this speed, a few Hz drift is not a serious problem, and VFOs are quite practical, provided you monitor the frequency. The easiest way to do that is to watch your TX frequency on the RX spectrogram display - that way it is easy to see if your QRG is drifting across someone else's signal. At most QTHs there are fixed-frequency spectral lines visible in the display which make convenient calibration markers when you get to know them. Most operation seems to take place after dark and before midnight, but it is not unusual to see QRSS during the day.
 
For the transatlantic or other long-distance beacon-type operations, longer dot lengths are needed, usually 30s or more, with consequently better stability. The choice of frequency varies according to prevailing activity - at the moment, the trend is for non-european stations to use frequencies around 137.78kHz, while the Europeans use around 135.92, to avoid causing blocking to nearby stations - but this varies between individual operations. For transatlantic beacons, propagation normally starts to open up about 2300 or so, and to fade out when it gets light, about 0800utc.
 
Good luck - not sure if I will be QRV today or not, but will try to be tomorrow evening, so might see you then.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
As I am new to QRSS I have some  questions:

1. What frequency to be used.
2. What speed to be used.
3. At what times transmission to be started and finished.
Hello Dick
If I see or hear your signals during my visits to the shack I will let you know. If you QAP on 7025 khz +/-
QRM when you are active I will work you xband if I see your signals. I do not spend much time in the shack, this is a hit and miss operation but you never know hi
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 

73, Dick, PA0SE
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According to the TV news today all unsolicited mail is now illegal and those sending it will be prosecuted. I hope this is the end of spam buisness. Others probably have seen the same news and know more about it.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81623 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 18:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 18:11:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 14221 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2003 18:11:33 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 18:09:58 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU8m4-00010G-W8 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:09:24 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU8m4-000107-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:09:24 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.0]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031210180923.BLGS261.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:09:23 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <001501c3bf48$fc7b5ec0$00d1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:10:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 136 khz weekend Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
A few stations noticed on the proverbial QRS mode over the weekend. All calling CQ and I did not see a single QSO take place. Nothing heard on CW. This time a couple of years ago the band was hiving with activity and it was difficult to squeeze in for a CW qso plus some QRS activity.
Except something drastic happens LF has just about fizzled out, it will just decline out of existence, whereas all the other amateur bands are busier than ever and CW is certainly not dead. On recent trips to GI and CT all I had to do was to hit the key and there were pileups galore. .
Radio operators interested in LF need to be able to make their own black box, be able to solder and operate CW. Since CW qualifications are no longer required, most cannot solder and black boxes have to be build for LF and uncle Sam's boys prohibited from 136 khz the future looks bleak.
Operators in the past on LF were mostly old timers well experienced and well qualified but sadly have deserted the band and gone back to HF. I have recently worked  5 such persons on HF. 
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69247 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 12:43:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 12:43:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 14505 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2003 12:43:12 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 12:43:04 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASblG-0007Jw-1U for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:42:14 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASblF-0007Jn-7c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:42:13 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.148]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031206124208.TCRZ3976.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:42:08 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <001001c3bbf6$9ba16360$94d1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:42:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: activity Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I saw GI8AYZ on QRS testing yesterday with a good strong audible signal, also OM2TW on QRS audible.
Why QRS with good strong signals perfectly workable on CW.
A lot of LF ops have deserted the band because lack of normal CW, some years back when the 136 khz band started, there was an abundance of CW and most managed to make a QSO. QRS is useful when everything else fails, but surely it is more sensible to try CW for a fast QSO first instead of a method that takes ages to exchange a signal report. The majority of QRS activity that I observe is unnecessary because the signals are perfectly audible and workable on CW, even signals from antennas in small back gardens are perfectly audible here. Improving the station with more TX output and a more efficient antenna is a better approach than the LAZY MANS CW (QRS-VY SLOW)
    73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4618 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:44:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 1188 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:44:02 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:43:54 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARbxE-0002ds-C3 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:42:28 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARbxD-0002dj-OU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:42:27 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.184]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031203184226.UYED3546.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:42:26 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <000d01c3b9cd$737fdea0$b8ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:43:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The spam situation is getting out of hand totally. For every LF message I am now getting about 30 spam msgs daily.
I delete immediately but it takes a lot of time to download this rubbish. I am not sure what the most appropriate action would be but something needs to be done. Its the same old stuff over and over again every day flooding the system.
On 136 khz LF these days I am interested in new countries to try and get the score up but little or nothing seems to be coming along, virtually no normal CW activity old or new, just the few that normally appear on QRS every weekend.
It is not encouraging for anyone new thinking about getting on LF with all the effort that is required. I am interested in transatlantic QSO'S direct on 136 khz and xband but that seems to have fizzled out also. The BEACON mode and some QRS seems to be the only thing at present and although useful is a backward step.
I would favour direct QSO mode especially on normal CW and with some perserverence some positive results are possible especially across to VE. In the past my signal was perfectly readable on QRS 1 by VE1ZJ and VE1ZZ during DEC 2001.
This is almost hand sent manual speed. Unfortunately John and Jack have gone QRT on LF so that approach has ceased to exist as a possibility and no one else seems interested or cannot work CW.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10321 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 18:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 18:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 2711 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 18:35:22 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 18:35:14 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARFKM-0001nH-7f for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:32:50 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARFKL-0001n8-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:32:49 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: l8p8y6 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.229]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031202183248.ORLR20717.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:32:48 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (l8p8y6) Message-ID: <003b01c3b902$f0523b60$e5e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FCB07EA.8688D77D@fh-amberg-weiden.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20031202141618.0220b138@u0019445.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:26:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon List > Hello LF group, > > I was just pointed to a small error in QRS v4.01 : > the lowest frequency that can be set with the soundcard is 20Hz, not 10Hz > as mentioned. > > I checked it and it seems to be a limitation of the "tonegenerator > component" I use. It seems rather unimportant to me wether one can go as > low as 20Hz or 10Hz, so unless someone comes up with a good reason I will > leave it that way (just change 10Hz to 20Hz in the hint and the help menu). > > Meanwhile I received a request to increase the upper limit of the soundcard > signal to 10kHz, to allow 'HF' acoustic wave or 8-9kHz VLF radiowave > experiments. This will be implemented in the next version. Hi Rick If not too difficult maybe 20 khz top freq would be useful for a bit of tolerance for some IF outputs. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > The next weeks will be rather busy, so I will revise QRS during the xmas > holiday period. > If there is anyone else with a wish-list for changes / new options in QRS > please let me know, so I can implement all changes (if possible) and > realese a new version early next year. > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52606 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:19:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:19:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 4688 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 18:19:22 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 18:19:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbOSf-00016q-7L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:19:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbORo-0000wL-UX for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:18:28 +0000 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbORo-0000wC-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:18:28 +0000 Received: from web.de (fmomail03.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.236]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.6p2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id hBUIHvQ11107 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:17:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:17:57 +0100 Message-ID: <200312301817.hBUIHvQ11107@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: TR-Switch for new TX Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1


Dear Lowfers,
just I am designing a TR-switch for my new TX. Estimated Power about 60dbm/60 Ohm.
The current situation with my TX 70W/60 Ohm:

The RX-Path is swiched via two reed-Relays (homemade coaxial ones, for qsk operation) to the receiver input, the TX-Path is switched via a reed-relay to the PA both from the common input of low-pass-filter, whitch is allways in the aerial path. My RX is an EKD 300 (Funkwerk Köpenick, late DDR). In transmit operation this will cause an sidetone with an pretty high volume, but not too much annoying noisy.

My experiments with an 1 Watt driver circuit:

The signal Path: Oscillator - Driver 1 Watt - Attenuator switchable 0d B...50 dB - TR-relays - RX-Input

TR-relays is a series of one Vac-Relay and three Reed-Relays (2 spst, 1 spdt).

All build up with coax connectors. It seems to be that I am still far away from a S9 signal durig transmitting, even with this 1 Watt-Driver.
How You have solved this task? What is done in commercial equipment with similar power?
Is it necesary to have anyway a mute circuit for the receiver? An input voltage of 1 Volt will not be dangerous for the RX-input and cause some distortionin the audio-signal, but for a sidetone this is not a problem.
Waiting for reply

55,

Hans-Albrecht Haffa

DK 8 ND

 

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Kindern - helfen Sie mit! https://www.unicef.de/spe/spe_03.php From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40291 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 13499 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:49:57 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:49:47 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVvuM-0005vA-9n for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:49:22 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVvuL-0005uo-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:49:21 +0000 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1AVvtr-000IET-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:48:51 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Hugh) Message-ID: <00cc01c3c32b$4313ffa0$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <141.1ebd538e.2d0f2a42@aol.com> <003701c3c328$d8b89730$2701a8c0@lubon> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:48:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF QSO. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hello Marek, group, > BTW is THIS frequency causing "only" a scalding or an electric shock or > both? HF stays on the body surface, might burn the skin, but what about > 137kHz? I am simply curious... > Funnily enough my collegue was commenting this morning that the output of his electroluminescent lamp invertor would burn black marks on his finger-nail, but not give him a shock. Output was measued at 2000V at 40kHz. I should think the output of your transmitter could give a very severe RF burn, but no shock ... but I don't think anybody should find out ! 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48246 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 09:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 09:07:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 1714 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 09:07:29 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 09:07:22 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUjGF-0004Ax-MC for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:06:59 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay02.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUjGF-0004Ao-3s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:06:59 +0000 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.9) id 1AUjFk-000CO8-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:06:28 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Hugh) Message-ID: <001201c3c08f$2ae346a0$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c3c087$dd82f150$7332f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:03:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Schematic capture software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi John, I would suggest Circad by Holophase. http://www.holophase.com/ It does both schematic capture, and PCB layout. This is a professional package, but the downloadable demo appears to be in use by amateurs for making circuit boards, because you can still print out pcb patterns (Only the Gerber output and postscript printing functions are disabled on the free version). It has the interesting facility, where you can import image files (for example a pdigital photograph of a circuit board) and use it as a "background" to work on. This makes "reverse engineering" or bringing existing non-CAD pcb's into Circad much easier, as you can just lay pcb tracks down over the picture. Then you can take a net-list of this back into the schematic capture and use it to generate a circuit diagram. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: LF: Schematic capture software > May I have suggestions, please, on a suitable software package to capture > circuit diagrams. At the moment I'm using CorelDRAW and very powerful it is > but I am looking for something that will take me rather less time. > > Regards, > John Rabson > Editor > Cave Radio and Electronics Group Journal > British Cave Research Association > Tel: +44 (0)1394 460 298 > Fax: +44 (0)1394 420 795 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62189 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 10:41:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 10:41:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 10300 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2003 10:41:11 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 10:41:05 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVTfx-00006o-5N for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:40:37 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVTfw-00006f-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:40:36 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: p4o2b7 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.209.142]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031214104035.WRYR3546.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:40:35 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (p4o2b7) Message-ID: <001401c3c22e$fa5897a0$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031212235655.027d7a60@POP3.freeler.nl> <001a01c3c15e$d8b78be0$670c8751@rogersservices> <6.0.1.1.2.20031213165941.034584b0@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:41:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS by PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Dick,
 
good strong signals at IO64XM pretty well all night, starting 2300 at 539 and continuing O QRSS10 (and QRSS3) with only a few dips around 0100 - 0200. Some minor frequency excursions with the worst one of 3Hz between 0700 and 0800.
 
73,
 
Ian 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 85702 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 19:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 19:52:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27127 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 19:52:43 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 19:52:38 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASiMY-0004RC-Gu for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:45:10 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASiMY-0004R3-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:45:10 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: p4o2b7 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.205.7]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031206194509.GTIQ12753.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:45:09 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (p4o2b7) Message-ID: <000b01c3bc31$a38dbb60$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:45:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Back in business again on 136 but not with new TX so only 50 - 60W and antenna current down now that everything is soggy and cold. Good copy from VO1NA the last two nights, pretty well all night until 1000z. Will be attacking the TX again this week. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18747 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 19:51:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 19:51:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 25055 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 19:51:59 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 19:51:55 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASiMV-0004Qz-Ab for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:45:07 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASiMU-0004Qq-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 19:45:06 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: p4o2b7 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.205.7]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031206194505.GTGX12753.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:45:05 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (p4o2b7) Message-ID: <000901c3bc31$a17dc720$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c3bb1a$0a61a0e0$0b01a8c0@langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:39:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Config change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Sorry John but the new config doesn't seem to be working. There are three "get it up" spams awaiting my attention - all came through 'thorcom' and the reflector. Since changing my address back in July this kind of thing has been notably absent, so I hope that this isn't the start of a whole loadatrubble! Ian. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10988 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:54:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:54:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 44871 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:54:04 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:54:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AXbw2-000BZ3-HQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:54:02 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AXbvK-0001AA-25 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:53:18 +0000 Received: from [213.59.156.2] (helo=senergy.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AXbvI-0001A1-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:53:16 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: igor Received: from igor ([81.28.1.16]) by senergy.ru (8.12.1/8.12.1/2002040900) with SMTP id hBK7rBtW020579 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:53:14 +0300 X-Antivirus: Checked by Dr.Web (http://www.drweb.net) X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (igor) Message-ID: <000101c3c6ce$6cf27ee0$10011c51@igor> From: "Igor Grigorov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FCB07EA.8688D77D@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:52:32 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: History of LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear LF group, May be lots of us are known, Ed, RU6LA, takes interest in history of LF-bands. His MS to history of LF-bands is presented at antentop-3-2003 http://www.antentop.bel.ru/ Of course, it is not entire history, so Ed is waiting for your comments and, may be, some stories about the LF- bands. Happy Holidyy Eve! 73! Igor, RK3ZK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81128 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 18:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 18:03:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 3656 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 18:03:30 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 18:03:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AXOyC-0000hA-Iz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:03:24 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AXOxC-0004ft-9r for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:02:22 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AXOxB-0004fk-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:02:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1AXOSG-0006bU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:30:24 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AXOS8-0003yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:30:16 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:30:12 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3c655$c4b93de0$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <1AX29O-0TxmPw0@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: RE: CHECK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear Uwe, LF Group, The calculations look OK to me - the results seem to be in line with other measurements. The ERP calculated from FS measurements is about 0.8dB below the value calculated from antenna current and Rrad; this is also normal. I would be interested to know the "environment" of your antenna, ie. is it in an urban or rural QTH, are there many trees, etc? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47152 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:47:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:47:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 1212 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:47:55 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:47:44 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVxjy-0007gZ-P7 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:46:46 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVxjv-0007gQ-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:46:43 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1AVxfs-0007mh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:32 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AVxfq-0000gJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:30 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:42:28 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3c33b$32d4a7b0$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <003701c3c328$d8b89730$2701a8c0@lubon> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: RE: RF Burns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear LF Group, I think most of us have had experiences like Gary's at one time or another - it is funny how things in LF antenna systems seem to go up in smoke when they get wet. I have yet to personally experience the full force of the output of my LF TX (hopefully it will stay that way!) but I have occasionally suffered mild LF RF burns in various ways - for example, by touching a metal stepladder that was within a couple of feet of the loading coil while the TX was running, and while doing some experiments with ground radials. There was no electric shock sensation, just the feeling of hot needles. So I don't think there is a danger of electrocution from the RF signal, but it could certainly cause serious burns - in one of my former jobs, I got "bitten" by an RF eddy current heater running a couple of kilowatts at about 2MHz - it made a small, neat hole right through my finger, which took a long time to heal up. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93813 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 18:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 18:44:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 10551 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 18:44:41 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 18:44:36 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVbDh-00062z-PX for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:43:57 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVbDh-00062q-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:43:57 +0000 Received: from [213.122.188.130] (helo=rogersservices) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AVbDg-0006La-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:43:56 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <000f01c3c271$c099be20$82bc7ad5@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c3c226$b92ebe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <6.0.1.1.2.20031214114836.0364b220@POP3.freeler.nl> <002301c3c267$74c9ad20$82bc7ad5@rogersservices> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:40:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: QRSS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear LF Group,
 
Just QSO'd OK2BVG, who was O copy in DFCW mode - he is calling CQ at the moment (1840utc).
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86541 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 17:31:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 17:31:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12224 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2003 17:31:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 17:31:12 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVa4O-0005Ga-B1 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:30:16 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVa4N-0005GR-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:30:15 +0000 Received: from [213.122.188.130] (helo=rogersservices) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AVa4M-0001rr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:30:14 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <002301c3c267$74c9ad20$82bc7ad5@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c3c226$b92ebe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <6.0.1.1.2.20031214114836.0364b220@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:26:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: PA0SE / activity Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Dick, LF Group,
 
I monitored your signals for a while around 2300 - 0000utc, when they were audible over the noise from SXV. I measured the frequency to be about 135.9224kHz, drifting up and down by a few 10ths of a Hz over periods of several minutes. I also briefly saw them in the morning shortly before you shut down, when the frequency was slightly lower, as you said. For the QRSS10 speed this level of stability is perfectly OK, the drift would be noticeable at QRSS30 or longer
 
This morning, I had CW contacts with F6BWO and ON6ND - I also called DK7SU, who was 559, but no reply. I heard DL3FDO in QSO with F6BWO shortly before going out earlier this afternoon. Nothing seen/heard this evening yet - the QRN level has come up substantially.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 91031 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 09:56:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 09:56:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10758 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2003 09:56:49 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 09:56:41 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AV6VK-0006dw-Cf for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:56:06 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AV6VJ-0006dn-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:56:05 +0000 Received: from [81.135.12.103] (helo=rogersservices) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1AV6VI-0002gT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:56:04 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <001a01c3c15e$d8b78be0$670c8751@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031212235655.027d7a60@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:51:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS by PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Dick,
 
It depends what sort of operation you are going for - most random 2-way QSOs take place between about 137.650 and 137.750kHz at a speed of 3s/dot. At this speed, a few Hz drift is not a serious problem, and VFOs are quite practical, provided you monitor the frequency. The easiest way to do that is to watch your TX frequency on the RX spectrogram display - that way it is easy to see if your QRG is drifting across someone else's signal. At most QTHs there are fixed-frequency spectral lines visible in the display which make convenient calibration markers when you get to know them. Most operation seems to take place after dark and before midnight, but it is not unusual to see QRSS during the day.
 
For the transatlantic or other long-distance beacon-type operations, longer dot lengths are needed, usually 30s or more, with consequently better stability. The choice of frequency varies according to prevailing activity - at the moment, the trend is for non-european stations to use frequencies around 137.78kHz, while the Europeans use around 135.92, to avoid causing blocking to nearby stations - but this varies between individual operations. For transatlantic beacons, propagation normally starts to open up about 2300 or so, and to fade out when it gets light, about 0800utc.
 
Good luck - not sure if I will be QRV today or not, but will try to be tomorrow evening, so might see you then.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
As I am new to QRSS I have some  questions:

1. What frequency to be used.
2. What speed to be used.
3. At what times transmission to be started and finished.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96721 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 18:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 18:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 3727 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 18:36:06 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 18:35:52 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUs8d-0004OZ-EG for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:35:43 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUs8c-0004OQ-8o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:35:42 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1AUrCc-0003bx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:35:46 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AUrCW-00002M-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:35:40 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:35:40 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3c0d6$5d0419b0$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <01C3C0B2.09F37E10.g4jnt@thersgb.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear Andy, Stewart et al, I have written my noise voltage calculation as a word document. There are plenty of 'pi's in it, but they all disappear by the time you get to the end, which may be good or bad. The word file is about 30kB - I'm not sure, but it may require the equation editor feature of word to be installed to display properly. I also converted it to a pdf file, which by the miracles of data compression came out to be 110kB, but hopefully should display OK. Both are too big for the reflector, so I will send them out separately to whoever asks. I also found the handbook for the HP 3722 pseudo-random noise source, which also gives the result with no pi. It seems that this could produce a calibrated noise source directly for LF with quite ordinary electronics. If you added an oscillator and mixer, it could be used for narrow-band systems over a wider frequency range too. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66707 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 11:26:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 11:26:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 8071 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 11:26:27 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 11:26:22 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUlQP-0006YO-I8 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:25:37 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUlQO-0006YF-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:25:36 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1AUlIY-0005rE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:17:30 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AUlIW-0003Cj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:17:28 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:17:28 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3c0a1$86f819e0$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <001901c3c00d$5c321600$045bfea9@RSGB613192> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear Andy, LF Group I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but... A noise source of exactly this type is discussed in Horowitz & Hill "The Art of Electronics" 2nd ed., section 9.34. This gives the formula (in the form Andy has used) Vrms^2 = Vpk^2 * 2 * BW /Fclock, (giving 224mV rms) which is different by a factor of sqrt(pi) from the value Andy gets. I spent some time last night trying to figure out which one is correct, and came out with a reasonably convincing case for Horowitz & Hill's formula - if anyone is interested, I will put it into an e-mail compatible form Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94524 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 17:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 17:46:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 23905 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 17:46:42 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 17:46:31 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUUtB-0006SL-5q for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:46:13 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUUt5-0006S0-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:46:11 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1AUUqo-000018-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:43:46 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AUUqn-0001Xs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:43:45 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:43:46 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3c00e$5406e900$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3FD878D9.28446.19D106C@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: RE: LF: 136 khz weekend / mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear LF Group, Pressure on my time at the moment means I don't get on the air very often at present, but last Saturday evening there several stations QRV on 136k. The only one I could actually hear was F6BWO, but I had a QRSS QSO with OM2TW, and SP5ZCC was there too, but disappeared due to QSB. I am still monitoring the beacon frequencies at the top of the band - VO1NA was a consistent signal last night, but still nil seen from the other North American beacons. There usually seems to be a fair degree of activity, especially at weekends although much less from the UK lately. If people want more activity, they are more likely to get it by switching their transmitters on and being active themselves, rather than complaining that other people are not doing so. As far as the new law on spam goes, I'd better let Michelle know the news - I'm sure she will be very concerned lest her message re the live webcam may get her into deep water - and the 20 or so others that have turned up today. Incidentally, none of the spam I'm getting at the moment seems to be coming via the reflector - but then only a small proportion ever did. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6782 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 20:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 20:02:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 23402 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2003 20:02:21 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 20:01:15 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATRXy-0001fY-Hl for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:59:58 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ATRXx-0001fP-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:59:57 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1ATR14-000660-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:25:58 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ATR11-0000rH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:25:55 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:25:53 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3bdc1$1afcaa90$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: RE: LF: Activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear LF Group, One of the problems of CW operation on 136k is that there are not so many stations you can work, and after you have worked each of them several times, you run out of things to say to each other. So to get a high level of activity really needs new stations taking the plunge to get QRV on the band. But a sort of intermediate step is to have cross-band QSOs - between 136k and 80m or 40m (or 20m if you are getting really ambitious...). So if anyone who currently only has receive capability on LF would like to try a cross-band sked, please let me know. QRSS is not a huge technical leap for those who have never tried "digital modes" (it isn't really very digital of course) - the computer you are reading this e-mail on is probably perfectly capable of receiving QRSS, with the addition of an audio lead and some free software. Most people would prefer an aural CW signal, but many times this just isn't possible. QRSS certainly expands your horizons under these conditions. Having a rather nice audio spectrum analyser attached to your receiver is quite interesting too! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22879 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 13:34:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 13:34:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 22689 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 13:34:04 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 13:33:52 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASG4E-0005JR-O4 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:32:22 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASG48-0005JI-M8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:32:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1ASG3E-0003WL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:31:20 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch15) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ASG3C-0001x1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:31:18 +0000 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:31:17 -0000 Organization: University of Hertfordshire X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rsch15) Message-ID: <000001c3bb34$106f02b0$fce8c593@rsch15> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <002701c3bb26$ae1d4110$9030f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: RE: PL 259 connectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 >Can anyone suggest a source of robust versions, please? I am finding that >the ordinary ones are not sufficiently cave proof. >73 >John Rabson G3PAI Dear John, Have a look at WH Westlake at http://whwestlake.co.uk/ (then go to page 1 of the catalogue). They do the pressure sleeve type of PL259, which has cable clamping and a ferrule for the braid similar to that of the better sort of BNC and N type connectors. Not sure if they are actually more robust, but they are certainly more waterproof and generally more reliable and nicer all round than the usual sort of PL259 stocked by amateur radio suppliers. The usual things seem to be made of some special alloy of zinc and cardboard that resists any attempt at soldering or otherwise connecting the braid, and rots away at the first hint of moisture. Why they are popular is a mystery to me. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69516 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 10:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 10:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 21128 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 10:31:28 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 10:31:00 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVpzB-0000kD-Mb for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:29:57 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=scan.telenor.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVpzB-0000k4-3F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:29:57 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no Received: from tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.90] [134.47.162.90]) by scan.telenor.net with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:29:21 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:29:21 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.101]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:29:21 +0100 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:29:20 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no) Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF0181DC31@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: mail Thread-Index: AcO//EPWgSy2OugFRvOxpEQTRbRCTQC+c2eA From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2003 10:29:21.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D930550:01C3C2F6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 That's VERY BAD, those devils from the country of evil just find another - even smarter way around the system 73 LA8AK -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Eric KD5UWL Sent: 11. desember 2003 16:32 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: mail Hi, > According to the TV news today all unsolicited mail is now illegal and those sending it will be prosecuted. I hope this is the end of spam buisness. Others probably have seen the same news and know more about it. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV That is EXCELLENT news, for as we all know, people don't do things that are against the law. Eric From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23198 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 12:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 12:14:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 6302 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 12:15:01 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 12:13:18 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASEof-0004B7-Gx for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:12:13 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=scan.telenor.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASEoc-0004Au-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 12:12:10 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no Received: from tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.90] [134.47.162.90]) by scan.telenor.net with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:11:15 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:11:15 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:11:15 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:11:14 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no) Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF0181DC2D@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: PL 259 connectors Thread-Index: AcO7KD3xGTTXun88Sw6ZZ/6FiVmGfQAAEqkA From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2003 12:11:15.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[E19EEA00:01C3BB28] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: PL 259 connectors (Intern) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi I've never quite understood what is so important with those 83'type connectors (PL259), it is many other types around as surplus, and you could use those which you have a certain amount of, Spinner is a good suggestion http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c99.htm 73 LA8AK --- J M Noeding, Datakvalitet, TTS, Kristiansand Telefon 0047-380-52660, 9077-7126 (QTH: 0047-380-87178) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Rabson Sent: 5. desember 2003 12:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: PL 259 connectors Can anyone suggest a source of robust versions, please? I am finding that the ordinary ones are not sufficiently cave proof. 73 John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40972 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 15:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 15:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 17353 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 15:24:58 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 15:24:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZXM9-0004PB-Ly for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:24:57 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZXLZ-0005Kc-Jb for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:24:21 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.19] (helo=mailout06.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZXLZ-0005KT-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 15:24:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: fwd04.aul.t-online.de Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AZXLY-0005Zl-00; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:24:20 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: (EB99j8ZO8ecofuzAkkJV7XORJq-f5LrSa-0+7XlKfiOtIivmhovKY9@[62.224.50.15]) Received: from (EB99j8ZO8ecofuzAkkJV7XORJq-f5LrSa-0+7XlKfiOtIivmhovKY9@[62.224.50.15]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AZXLH-2663bE0; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:24:03 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c3c9f6$9ec2a500$8773883e@d6y6c7> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:24:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1AZXLH-2663bE0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: EB99j8ZO8ecofuzAkkJV7XORJq-f5LrSa-0+7XlKfiOtIivmhovKY9 Subject: Re: LF: Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Lawrence Mayhead schrieb: > A very Happy Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year to all the LF > community. > Laurie > > > thanks Laurie, the same to you and the group: Season's Greetings and happy successful new LF year! Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10607 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 21:15:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 21:15:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 32560 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 21:15:33 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 21:15:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AXRy7-0008M4-Nd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:15:31 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AXRxb-0007gH-LA for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:14:59 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.85] (helo=mailout11.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AXRxa-0007g8-J4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:14:58 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: fwd06.aul.t-online.de Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AXRx6-0000NF-04; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:14:28 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: (Gz7v84ZLoe5vUgrFVaVG0XtdBflczXJlsBIKFy4Q+5bmnmCc0zqwwk@[62.224.51.168]) Received: from (Gz7v84ZLoe5vUgrFVaVG0XtdBflczXJlsBIKFy4Q+5bmnmCc0zqwwk@[62.224.51.168]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AXRx4-2Bpssy0; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:14:26 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c3c655$c4b93de0$fce8c593@rsch15> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:14:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1AXRx4-2Bpssy0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: Gz7v84ZLoe5vUgrFVaVG0XtdBflczXJlsBIKFy4Q+5bmnmCc0zqwwk Subject: Re: LF: RE: CHECK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 James Moritz schrieb: > Dear Uwe, LF Group, > > The calculations look OK to me - the results seem to be in line with > other measurements. The ERP calculated from FS measurements is about > 0.8dB below the value calculated from antenna current and Rrad; this is > also normal. I would be interested to know the "environment" of your > antenna, ie. is it in an urban or rural QTH, are there many trees, etc? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > Dear Jim, tks for the comment. pse see http://www.qsl.net/dj8wx/arrangementofaerials.htm first an second image. Between QTH DJ8WX and QTH RegTP monitoring station (1,7km) where the FS measurements have been made are meadows and pieces of wood (80%wood en toto). Topography: Ground of my aerials 3m above NN (moor) and of the monitoring station 34m above NN (glazial dune sand). meanwhile I updated the site PWR.htm . Best regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19420 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 19:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 19:01:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 71319 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 19:01:23 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 19:01:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AX3Ok-000INA-IO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:01:22 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AX3OL-00075w-1X for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:00:57 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.84] (helo=mailout09.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AX3OK-00075n-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:00:56 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: fwd03.aul.t-online.de Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AX29b-0005I6-00; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:41:39 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: (TznPymZa8ei0tkYoyQhOO2GlilK3PgoJZGxDdDfhAUOG6zMECCTpsS@[62.224.51.214]) Received: from (TznPymZa8ei0tkYoyQhOO2GlilK3PgoJZGxDdDfhAUOG6zMECCTpsS@[62.224.51.214]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AX29O-0TxmPw0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:41:26 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031217142629.03a80840@POP3.freeler.nl> <1AWdr9-1j8kSG0@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <1AX29O-0TxmPw0@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: TznPymZa8ei0tkYoyQhOO2GlilK3PgoJZGxDdDfhAUOG6zMECCTpsS Subject: LF: CHECK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi group, I`m warming up my vocabulary / technical terms / abbreviations / formulas etc conc eradiation pwr because there will be a small talk with officials of the RegTP and some guests. would the reader pse check the site http://www.qsl.net/dj8wx/PWR.htm and tell me what mistakes I make ? tks in advance. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82950 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 15:45:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 15:45:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 76919 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 15:45:39 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 15:45:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWdrn-000Jzy-2t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:45:39 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWdrJ-0004rE-Ow for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:45:09 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.21] (helo=mailout10.aul.t-online.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWdrJ-0004r5-5n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:45:09 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: fwd05.aul.t-online.de Received: from fwd05.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1AWdrI-00088Y-01; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:45:08 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: (Sa1vDUZ18eNvJEp9l8CWvnCsRnvoS7jI+TtmZStqssQYa4K8N9cfw-@[62.224.53.53]) Received: from (Sa1vDUZ18eNvJEp9l8CWvnCsRnvoS7jI+TtmZStqssQYa4K8N9cfw-@[62.224.53.53]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1AWdr9-1j8kSG0; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:44:59 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031217142629.03a80840@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:44:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1AWdr9-1j8kSG0@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: Sa1vDUZ18eNvJEp9l8CWvnCsRnvoS7jI+TtmZStqssQYa4K8N9cfw- Subject: Re: LF: Field strength of PA0SE and DCF39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dick Rollema schrieb: ............. > When measuring FS I always measure the FS of DCF39 as well. > > This morning I found FS = 1.29mV/m in the countryside. This is remarkably > low. > On 12 April 2000 I found 1.93mV/m > On 4 December 2003 it was 2.13mV/m. > > But when I measured FS in the afternoon in the shack it was back at 2.13 > mV/m again. (On an earlier occasion I have found that FS of DCF39 in the > shack does not differ from what I measure in the open country, which is > rather remarkable.) > So it seems DCF39 suffered a temporary power reduction this morning. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE Hi Dick es group, DCF83 I measured on 05.12.2003 with FS measuring equipment of the RegTP as follows: 1509 UTC 7,77mV/m 1510 6,92 1511 6,84 1512 6,94 1513 7,52 guess the pwr is intentionally changing depending on amount and kind of traffic. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41294 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 00:16:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 00:16:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 64321 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 00:16:14 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 00:16:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbU21-000Gcc-2H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:16:13 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbU1e-0006qp-KE for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:15:50 +0000 Received: from [204.127.202.64] (helo=sccrmhc13.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbU1d-0006qa-MQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:15:49 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: jayterminal Received: from jayterminal (c-67-163-165-144.client.comcast.net[67.163.165.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003123100151801600ai786e>; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:15:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c3cf33$a5c8fc40$6401a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <17.40ee6b57.2d236a03@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:18:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: TA beaconing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Markus Thanks for the heads up. Nothing seen so far. Jay Rusgrove, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: TA beaconing Hi all, since 23:24, I am transmitting on 135922.3/.4Hz DFCW (60s on 20s off); EMRP should be around 170mW. In the breaks, I can see Brian 0.65Hz above me. CFH peaked ~27 dBµV/m around 22:15, but has faded by 10 dB now. 73 de Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK JRusgrove@comcast.net: >Please let us (on this side of the pond) know when you'll be running in beacon mode. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43181 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:17:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 47743 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:17:01 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:16:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbSAd-000CJE-IP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:16:59 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbSAM-0004sR-OM for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:16:42 +0000 Received: from [204.127.198.39] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbSAL-0004sI-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:16:41 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: airportterminal Received: from airportterminal (c-67-163-165-144.client.comcast.net[67.163.165.144]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003123022160901500eeh2ee>; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:16:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c3cf23$adc54ee0$6a01a8c0@comcast.net> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0.1684d3c0.2d234ce8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:24:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TA beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Marcus and LF group
 
Please let us (on this side of the pond) know when you'll be running in beacon mode. Our attention here is often divided between the various stateside beacons, Laurence of Alaska, and EU. If we know you're transmitting, you're apt to have more stations looking.
 
Mal...if you would fire up your LF transmitter and show us your bodacious signal you might get a few takers on the cross band qso.
 
Jay Rusgrove, W1VD 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:49 PM
Subject: LF: TA beaconing

Dear Mal and LF group,

good, I promise I will be among the first to congratulate when you have crossed the pond in "honest CW". But my views on QRSS transatlantic beaconing are quite different.

The extra hop we need from central Europe makes it much more difficult to get across, and of course most of us LFers don't own large rusty antenna arrays or live near near the seashore. Many countries have not been seen stateside once ever. Personally, I still find it very rewarding to even see only a couple of bright noise pixels on the right frequency in one of the screenshots, or to receive Joe's signal once in a couple of weeks.

What worries me a little right now is the increasing Eu transmitting activity in the 137775 region. Even at QRSS30, the key clicks of a local station can easily clutter up a few Hz and cover potential DX signals. I would much prefer sticking to the proven scheme of us transmitting around 135922, and watching for stateside/ZL signals at the top end of the band.

Last night, VO1NA was visible four times between 2 and 5 UT. I transmitted 135922.3/.4 DFCW for a couple of hours before local sunrise (~7 UT), and if all goes well I'll try again tonight.

73 and best wishes to everyone,
Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 30.12.2003 19:57:04 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt g3kev.ham@virgin.net:

Hi Dexter

I can send you plenty of LF RF as you already know from previous
observations your end. What I want in return is a proper QSO on normal CW. I
will TX on 136 and you TX on say 7025 khz. If any others are interested so
much the better. I do not want to send out repeative and meaningless Beacon
signals, I and others already know we can get across the Atlantic and vice
versa from VE to Europe.
I have an array of LF antennas just rusting away.

de Mal/G3KEV


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47721 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:04:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 49136 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:04:30 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:04:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaktY-000Cfb-PT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:04:28 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aaksf-0008VR-6S for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:03:33 +0000 Received: from [209.225.28.212] (helo=mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aakse-0008U1-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:03:32 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: johncellarnew Received: from johncellarnew (cpe-68-118-232-30.ma.charter.com [68.118.232.30]) by mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id hBT01p1E069996 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:01:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from w1tag@charter.net) Message-ID: <005301c3cd9f$1c1a84e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 00:02:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Early DRP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Here's an early snip of CT1DRP from 0000: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/DRP.jpg It's working, Brian! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54217 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 18:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 18:15:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 20899 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 18:15:45 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 18:15:39 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUrot-000479-Uf for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:19 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUrot-000470-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:19 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUrot-0000fX-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:19 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: johnb5a82ea1a4 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0260.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.4]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6.zet1) with ESMTP id hBCIFFaq015763 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:18 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (johnb5a82ea1a4) Message-ID: <00f301c3c0db$f1963630$0431f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PL259 connectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Many thanks, everybody. Yes, compatibility with existing equipment is vital and the cheap versions of the connectors just don't seem to be reliable enough. If you drive 300 miles to do some experiments, it is worth having a better standard of connector. It is also less likely to let you down in front of the client.. 73 John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54209 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 18:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 18:15:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 20877 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 18:15:45 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 18:15:39 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUros-00046w-7x for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:18 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUror-00046n-OB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:17 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUror-0000fT-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:17 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: johnb5a82ea1a4 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0260.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.4]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6.zet1) with ESMTP id hBCIFFao015763 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:15:16 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (johnb5a82ea1a4) Message-ID: <00f201c3c0db$f0755ce0$0431f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20031212092840.03f92df8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:07:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Schematic capture software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Many thanks, everyone for comments and suggestions both direct and via the reflector. Yes, I did mean draw circuit diagrams. From time to time I receive hand-drawn diagrams which are perfectly legible but which I would prefer to redraw in house style. I have just got hold of a copy of Eagle and will try that. Again, many thanks. Regards, John Rabson Editor Cave Radio and Electronics Group Journal British Cave Research Association Tel: +44 (0)1394 460 298 Fax: +44 (0)1394 420 795 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7435 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 08:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 08:14:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 21044 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2003 08:14:14 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 08:13:57 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUiQS-00037G-58 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:13:28 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUiQR-000377-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:13:27 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUiQR-0004Df-00 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:13:27 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: johnb5a82ea1a4 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0627.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.115]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6.zet1) with ESMTP id hBC8DP7R022271 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:13:26 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (johnb5a82ea1a4) Message-ID: <000201c3c087$dd82f150$7332f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:46:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Schematic capture software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 May I have suggestions, please, on a suitable software package to capture circuit diagrams. At the moment I'm using CorelDRAW and very powerful it is but I am looking for something that will take me rather less time. Regards, John Rabson Editor Cave Radio and Electronics Group Journal British Cave Research Association Tel: +44 (0)1394 460 298 Fax: +44 (0)1394 420 795 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42450 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 16:13:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 16:13:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 13183 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2003 16:13:53 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 16:12:59 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUTQQ-0004id-5Y for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:26 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUTQP-0004iU-Iv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:25 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUTQP-00061g-00 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:25 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: johnb5a82ea1a4 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0979.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.211]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6.zet1) with ESMTP id hBBGCJ7T007469 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:23 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (johnb5a82ea1a4) Message-ID: <005a01c3c001$9c521070$d333f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FD878D9.28446.19D106C@localhost> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:10:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: 136 khz weekend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Perhaps, if we can find a really thrifty means of transmitting speech (say 100 Hz occupied), that might rejuvenate the band. It is more than 50 years since single sideband came into the amateur service and it is really time we replaced it with something not so greedy. In the meantime, perhaps Mal and others would like to publish a log of stations heard (date, time, frequency, mode etc). This might give encouragement to people. Alternatively, how about joining me for some cave and railway tunnel experiments? 73 John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42380 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 16:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 16:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 13170 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2003 16:13:52 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 16:13:03 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUTQU-0004iq-4v for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:30 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUTQT-0004ih-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:29 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AUTQT-00061l-00 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:29 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: johnb5a82ea1a4 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0979.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.211]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6.zet1) with ESMTP id hBBGCJ7V007469 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:27 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (johnb5a82ea1a4) Message-ID: <005b01c3c001$9ec189d0$d333f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:12:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Does anyone know what is the primary legislation is (and secondary if any)? 73 John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric KD5UWL" To: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: mail > Hi, > > > According to the TV news today all unsolicited mail is now illegal and those sending it will be prosecuted. I hope this is the end of spam buisness. Others probably have seen the same news and know more about it. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > That is EXCELLENT news, for as we all know, people don't do things that > are against the law. > > Eric > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86287 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 11:57:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 11:57:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 2828 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 11:57:39 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 11:57:32 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASEYP-0003o4-Ly for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:55:25 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASEYP-0003nv-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:55:25 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASEYO-0001NT-00 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:55:24 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: johnb5a82ea1a4 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0144.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.48.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6.zet1) with ESMTP id hB5BtMi6023337 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:55:24 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (johnb5a82ea1a4) Message-ID: <002701c3bb26$ae1d4110$9030f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:55:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PL 259 connectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Can anyone suggest a source of robust versions, please? I am finding that the ordinary ones are not sufficiently cave proof. 73 John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12752 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 11:06:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 11:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 20294 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 11:06:55 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 11:06:50 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASwjg-0000yY-6z for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:06:00 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.148] (helo=zinc.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASwjf-0000yP-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:05:59 +0000 Received: from dial81-131-152-40.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.131.152.40] helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by zinc.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1ASwje-0003dK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:05:59 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:05:52 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk) Message-ID: <000a01c3bcb2$17861690$8c748351@langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <172.230cf416.2d029d91@aol.com> Subject: RE: LF: Test of bogus sender. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Thanks, also to Ian's comment on spam getting through. The sysop has made further changes to the config so hopefully all OK now.... famous last words! 73 John, G3WKL > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of > WarmSpgs@aol.com > Sent: 06 December 2003 02:49 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Test of bogus sender. > > > In a message dated 12/5/03 8:54:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > LWCANews@aol.com > (an address which is not subscribed) writes: > > > If this message does _not_ get through... (etc) > > Oh dear. > > John D. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 37499 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 10:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 10:27:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 26815 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 10:27:02 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 10:26:55 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASD8z-0002Ux-45 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:25:05 +0000 Received: from [212.23.8.70] (helo=heisenberg.zen.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASD8y-0002Uo-Op for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:25:04 +0000 Received: from 82-68-18-174.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.68.18.174] helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ASD8x-0003Xz-VG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 10:25:04 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:24:56 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk) Message-ID: <001801c3bb1a$0a61a0e0$0b01a8c0@langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.68.18.174] Subject: LF: Config change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 All, the config of the reflector has now been changed as discussed. If you are experiencing problems posting to the reflector please e-mail me direct via jwgould@iee.org.uk. 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86742 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 22:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 22:24:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 9012 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 22:24:47 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 22:24:41 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AS1ru-0000fr-Hf for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:22:42 +0000 Received: from [212.23.8.70] (helo=heisenberg.zen.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AS1ru-0000fi-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:22:42 +0000 Received: from 82-68-18-174.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.68.18.174] helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AS1rt-0000k5-BB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 22:22:41 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:22:38 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk) Message-ID: <002c01c3bab5$1fd0cb50$0b01a8c0@langroup.wmg.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-reply-to: <1173800508.20031204194803@web.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.68.18.174] Subject: RE: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 If anyone is the moderator it's me folks - I started the whole thing some years ago, and yes I am monitoring the discussion! It's interesting to note that few apart from John and Dave have actually asked for the config to be changed and no one as far as I can see has answered John's call "is there anyone on the list for whom it would be a serious inconvenience to have a little less spam to intercept". Thus, I take the vote as yes please, through silent assent. I agree with John's assertion about spam filters - most of my spam comes in via my btinternet account (it's too prominent on websites so gets harvested) and I've cleared just under 2000 spams collected by the ISP over the last week or so (nice to be popular and well catalogues with life improving products and services). After the btinternet filter about 4 to 5 spams get through each day and are taken out by SpamNet (somewhat similar to Mailwasher) and then 1 or 2 a day I take out manually - incidentally I believe my Norton Virus checker took out the Paypal virus before SpamNet could get to it! I'll contact the reflector sysop over the weekend and again start discussing changing the config of majordomo. As most assert it's not much of an issue for him, it may just give me a bit of admin at the transition. I suspect that even the change won't keep the spammers at bay totally, but should usefully reduce the incidence of spam still further on the reflector. If during the changeover people get disconnected, check http://www.rsgb-hfc.org.uk/download.htm which, although wrongly named in the URL, is the 136kHz page on the RSGB HF Committee website. If there are new instructions for rejoining, etc., I'll post them there. 73 John, G3WKL > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Oexner > Sent: 04 December 2003 18:48 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc > > > Hi all, > > > >> Try something like mailwasher. > > > All good and well, but as I said yesterday (a) it's not 100% > > effective, and (b) one utterly miniscule change to the list rules > > would virtually eliminate any spam coming through the reflector and > > thereby reduce the total volume of junkmail. > > > John > > Is the list moderator following this discussion? Who's in > charge of this mailing list (sorry for not knowing this)? Why > not send him a mail directly and ask him to change the > necessary Majordomo (?) settings?? > > > -- > Best regards, > Michael mailto:michael.oexner@web.de > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33551 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 10:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 10:18:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 9634 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 10:18:03 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 10:17:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATIRr-0001tX-0c for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:17:03 +0000 Received: from [195.37.42.5] (helo=rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ATIRq-0001tO-7b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:17:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id A72C621301A for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:17:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rzlsrv1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18022-06 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:17:10 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: fh-amberg-weiden.de Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.30]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 6C985212FDC for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:17:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FD44F7E.E85E6387@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:16:30 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6lpin_Thomas?= Organization: FH-Amberg-Weiden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fh-amberg-weiden.de Subject: LF: activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hello dear LF group, in the last days the discussion about QRSS vs. normal CW came up again. Of course Mal, Brian, Dave and all the others are right: normal CW should be the first choice to make contacts on LF. But please keep in mind that some stations have bad environmental conditions concerning local QRM at reception - they can hardly hear amateur signals on LF so they want to at least see them! Look at my personal example: the back yard garden of DK1IS (see www.qrz.com) is surrounded by blocks of flats full of pc- and tv-freaks with drifting SMPSs, a fitness studio frying the members under UV-discharge tubes and a dancing studio with a lot of pulse modulated amplifiers and light beamers (I should not complain about this, my XYL and I are active there and they permitted my Marconi top load just running over their roof!). Under these circumstances there are often situations when I“m shure that someone is calling in normal CW with S2 or S3 but it is not possible to have a QSO or even worse to finish a running QSO with success. So I have to use QRSS - the digital overkill to participate a little bit on LF! There is another point: From time to time you can read in the activity reports on the reflector "... everyone already worked ...". A short "73" or "GL" with one“s own call when no other station is coming back would enhance activity and motivation and would prove that everything still works ok. I already thought about a certificate "10x10 LF" what means you worked 10 stations each of them 10 times, with optional endorsements! Sorry I“m not a good artist - so perhaps someone else will pick up this idea. Hpe to cu on LF - still missing CT, EA, EI, HA, ON, OZ, to name only a few! Vy 73, good luck and merry xmas de Tom, DK1IS JN59WK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28241 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 08:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 08:07:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 28776 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 08:07:44 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 08:07:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASAwN-0000Mn-1s for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:03:55 +0000 Received: from [195.37.42.5] (helo=rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASAwM-0000Ma-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:03:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 8FC87212FE1 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:04:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rzlsrv1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22319-07 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:04:01 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: fh-amberg-weiden.de Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.30]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 927D2212FAA for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:03:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FD03BC6.CE9BA8B6@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:03:19 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6lpin_Thomas?= Organization: FH-Amberg-Weiden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1193078046.20031204194941@73.ru> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fh-amberg-weiden.de Subject: Re: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hello Sam, strongest signal from Europe! Audible with up to rst 569, a little bit of QSB. Here in JN59WK about 10 db stronger than OM2TW. I called you several times in QRSS, DFCW and normal CW, but without success. Waiting for the next time! Vy 73 es gl Tom, DK1IS rn6bn schrieb: > Hello ! > Today (04/dec/2003) test my equipments. > 137.7 17 - 19 GMT > -- > Best regards, > Sam, rn6bn mailto:rn6bn@73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31853 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 09:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 09:22:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19768 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2003 09:22:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 09:22:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AQkF0-0005qo-W0 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:21:14 +0000 Received: from [195.37.42.5] (helo=rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AQkF0-0005qR-Ct for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 09:21:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id BADFF212FB8 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:21:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rzlsrv1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17300-10 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:21:19 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: fh-amberg-weiden.de Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.30]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 723E6212FA8 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:21:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FCB07EA.8688D77D@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:20:43 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6lpin_Thomas?= Organization: FH-Amberg-Weiden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fh-amberg-weiden.de Subject: LF: Beacon List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dear LF group, is there anybody who has a complete list of amateur radio beacon stations that are actually active in the LF band 135.7 - 137.8 kHz, especially in the uppermost 100 Hz area? In the past there were a lot of announcements on the reflector but due to other work I am not up to date in this field. It would be great to have callsign, locator, frequency, transmitting mode and time table to support ones imagination while gazing upon the overnight argo files. Perhaps even the operators themselves could pass on this informations once more to the reflector and someone could put it on his homepage (sorry I do not have one). Or better yet, is there a data pool already available somewhere where I could get this information? Thank you for your efforts, vy 73 es cuagn on LF! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11118 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:07:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 35302 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:07:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:07:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbS1n-0008yS-5T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:07:51 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbS1R-0004Vf-T7 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:07:29 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.62] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbS1P-0004VW-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:07:27 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:06:55 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:06:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:06:55 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2003 22:06:55.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CC91F70:01C3CF21] Subject: LF: Info OT (or perhaps on...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Im trying to solicit as much info from as many sources as possible of converting a Decca Loran 5501-A (purple 71Khz) to 136Khz. I have Jim MBU's notes from the 127K unit and diagram but wondered if anyone has done the "Purple" conversion...? Direct emails appreciated. Laurence wd2xdw part 5 propagation research beacon. Anchorage AK http://www.kl1x.com\ HNY _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97872 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10063 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 22:00:23 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 22:00:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbRuX-0002Q7-Cg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:00:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbRtt-0004PT-Ds for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:59:41 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.36] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbRts-0004Ou-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:59:40 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:47:58 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:47:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Cc: vernall@xtra.co.nz Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:47:58 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2003 21:47:58.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[96B8D550:01C3CF1E] Subject: LF: XDW id change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 As of 2140Z 30th WD2XDW is IDing "XDW" at dot 120. (Full cw id at beginning and end of sequence) Tx freq is 137,77355, Aerial current 3.3A for 300W DC input. DCF is pretty weak and not CW id strength at this time (2150Z) Laurence KL1X Anchorage 30F, snow, 1 moose and a flock of Redpolls. HNY _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work  and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63582 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 64876 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 01:11:34 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 01:11:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AalwS-000GWP-CR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 at 0115z 29th 137,7735 dot 60 "T,T,T" 73 Laurence _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1047 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:03:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:03:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 11939 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:03:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:03:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aai4V-0002zj-7F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:03:35 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aai41-0004Qk-R2 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:03:05 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.83] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aai40-0004Q6-OB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:03:04 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:02:33 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:02:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:02:33 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2003 21:02:33.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9C51E60:01C3CD85] Subject: LF: transpolar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Conditions as of 2100Z 28th still very good DCF is 9+ looking same as Steve 135,922 plus 137,777, 137,773 Stoke em up... Laurence KL1X _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14417 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 17:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 17:43:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 83090 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 17:43:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 17:43:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaewS-000LV3-A0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:43:04 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aaevb-000094-Kv for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:42:11 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.12] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aaeva-00006H-QT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:42:11 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:41:39 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:41:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net, vernall@xtra.co.nz Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:41:39 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2003 17:41:39.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[D95125E0:01C3CD69] Subject: RE: LF: ZL6QH 28 December Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 ZL6QH AOS at 0905Z, strong ramp up within 15 minutes to point where signal was visible at qrss20, stable then for 2 hours, thence periods of QSB cycling 30 mins to point where not visible at dot 120. Sharp loss of signal at 1635Z. Loran lines and QH signals phase/freq stable thru period. DCF39 strong late on at around 0200Z peaking S9+5 no EU ham signals seen. DCF39 still S5 at 1730Z Thanks for the tests. Ill leave 135,922 dot 60 and QH windows open for the time being. Laurence KL1X Anchorage -5F snowing _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work  and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12414 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 23:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 23:14:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 90912 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 23:14:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 23:14:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaNdd-000NQq-9D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:14:29 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaNcw-0006bg-NO for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:13:46 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.74] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaNcv-0006bJ-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:13:46 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:13:14 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:13:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:13:14 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 23:13:14.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[0125FFF0:01C3CCCF] Subject: RE: LF: Re: 60kHz: JJY and WWWB visible behind MSF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 I used Omega nav for flying in the North and South Polar regions in the late 70's and early 80's and I must admit on flying backwards at 140 Knots, in the opposite hemisphere on quite a few occasions - most of these vagries seem to conincide with Geomag acitivity and "pretty auroral lights". I would hope that 60KHz would be less affected but knowing/seeing what happens to signals that come in via the Poles I wouldnt bet on it! JJY on 40 and 60Khz are strong here in the Winter, JJY often pushing our American cousins out of the winning spot, Yep and Im sure I hear that lady saying Oh Jay Jay why? too on these lower freqs... Omega, to the best of my knowledge, was not the favored choice in the Polar regions...sextant with an artificial horizon and a lot of head scratching + sharp pencil seemed to work most of the time...not so good for those long overcast winter night flying at 12,000 ft! Cheers Laurence >From: "Walter Blanchard" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Re: 60kHz: JJY and WWWB visible behind MSF Date: Sat, 27 Dec >2003 22:05:31 -0000 > >Markus, > >Congratulations on a very nice piece of observation. Since these three >stations are on the same time reference (UTC) within a few nS and the >baselines between MSF/JJY and MSF/WWVB intersect at nearly 90 degs they >could make quite a good over-the-pole navigation aid to replace Omega. The >skywave delays could be computed out (as they were for Omega). > >Walter G3JKV. > > > > > > >--- > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/03 _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy  and get some great new recipes  at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24713 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 18:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 18:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24484 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 18:09:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 18:09:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaIsU-0006G8-2y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:09:30 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaIs9-0001lc-Hx for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:09:09 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.78] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaIs8-0001lD-DU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:09:08 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:08:37 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:08:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, vernall@xtra.co.nz Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:08:37 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 18:08:37.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[73029DC0:01C3CCA4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 27th December Q Signal first detected 0800Z, by 1014Z signal became strong for an hour or so, then periods of deep fades and peaks. Looks like "off" as advertised close to 1500-1530Z >From 1515Z, and till the loss of signal at 1634Z all signals lines inc loran became phase unstable/dopplerfied. This instability normally indicates that the signal(s) are encountering the active Auroral particle zone. I see the Au levels have been as high as "9" over the past 12 hours. I also see from my local HAARP site that PC1 and ULF signals were present over the period and sub storm noise is increasing - not a lot globally but enough to hit us up here. Lines became quiet again by 1708Z http://www.kl1x.com/27th1600Znoisey.jpg shows the noisey period and off/on period between 1500-1530Z - Transpolar to Europe was poorer last night with DCF some 20-30db down from the previous night, and I cant hear DCF at the moment - No 185Khz signals seen and Radio 4 198Khz was way down too. Laurence KL1X Anchorage ...and it was going so well too! _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work  and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77860 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 22:54:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 22:54:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 43129 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 22:54:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 22:54:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aa0qk-000B6u-8r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:54:30 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa0qM-0000lH-NN for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:54:06 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.63] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa0qL-0000l8-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:54:06 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:53:34 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:53:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 13:53:34 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 22:53:34.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[17897B40:01C3CC03] Subject: LF: Rx sessions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Receive opportunities Ive got 135,921- 135,923.5 (dot 60), 137,777-781 (dot30), 137,7725-137,775 (dot 60) 137,778-7995 (dot 120) windows open for receive at the moment - good CW strength from DCF39 at 1400 AK local, 2300Z but no web window open on this channel as out of the rx passband. Still blowing and digging snow.... XDW still off. Laurence KL1X -10F clear. _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 53706 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 16:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 16:52:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 38168 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 16:52:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 16:52:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZvCg-0009bh-NW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:52:46 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZvCA-0003yl-0b for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:52:14 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.6] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZvC7-0003yU-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:52:11 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:51:40 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:51:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: vernall@xtra.co.nz Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:51:40 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 16:51:40.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[88CF50F0:01C3CBD0] Subject: RE: LF: QH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 QH has been fading for the past hour or so and Its just coming up on ZL sunrise. If it helps the freqs I have here for QH using Loran as a cal are High = 137,789. 12 Low = 137,788. 70 - that put the diff as .42Hz. which is close to advertised. Last signals seen here seen at 1629Z Laurence Anchorage -5F (who needs cryo preamp cooling?) _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31575 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 14:13:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 14:13:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 60066 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 14:13:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 14:13:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZsi4-000FW6-V9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:13:01 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZshm-0001ht-UH for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:12:42 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.19] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZshl-0001hH-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:12:42 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:12:09 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:12:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:12:08 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 14:12:09.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FD8E340:01C3CBBA] Subject: LF: QH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 QH are on and strongly visible here. Freqs as stated. Laurence KL1X anchorage 1400Z 26th _________________________________________________________________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73398 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 01:15:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 01:15:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 99135 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 01:14:59 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 01:14:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZgZ8-000Pfz-Hw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:14:58 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZgY8-0006oA-Ke for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:13:56 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.30] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZgY7-0006o1-Go for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:13:55 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:01:28 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:01:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 16:01:28 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2003 01:01:28.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAFB7A10:01C3CB4B] Subject: LF: xdw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Just Back home in Alaksa after spending an upplaned overnighter in Utah. Loading coil is unreachable - buried in 6 foot drift between house and stables. It will take me all of tmw to dig out to get to it. - beacon off till then. DCF39 sitting at S9+10 at 0100Z 26th. Listening 137,772-137,7745 and 137,7765-137,781 dot 30 till I sort out things. very good Eu but no sign of CFH at the moment. Laurence KL1X - _________________________________________________________________ Expand your wine savvy  and get some great new recipes  at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28350 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 12:21:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 12:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26595 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 12:21:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 12:21:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AY2am-0006oD-2z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:21:52 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AY2Zd-0003OA-Hg for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:20:41 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.93] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AY2Za-0003Nw-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:20:39 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 04:20:07 -0800 Received: from 217.44.156.85 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:20:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.44.156.85] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:20:07 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2003 12:20:07.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[C568E1B0:01C3C7BC] Subject: LF: XDW tripping in the snow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Anchorage is 'suffering' a lot of snow -we are some 20 inches above normal for the time of year, and its still falling as I write this. XDW is tripping on VSWR as it builds up across the insulators/wires/main coil protection and then gets blown off. Check the first screen on the web site - if you see the wide white dots then the beacon is on. We are due to return to Anchorage by midnite 24th (hopefully) and will 'reset' everything - definately more tuning variables in the winter than thru the summer. The good news is that the receiver is still operating and pushing Argos's to the web page. I can see our ghosts/lux effects so I consider transpolar to be fair to good at the moment - I could well be wrong. Being at the other end of the link (in the UK) I think I prefer to have DCF up on the web site versus CFH. CFH is producing strong signals at times. vy 73 + holiday wishes - Laurence KL1X in G land. >http://www.kl1x.com _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger  learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51172 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 20:49:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 57252 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 20:49:16 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 20:49:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWibb-000Esr-Mi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:49:15 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWian-0001N2-C1 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:48:25 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.15] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWiam-0001Mh-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:48:24 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:35:55 -0800 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:35:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:35:55 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2003 20:35:55.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F2B0FE0:01C3C4DD] Subject: LF: XDW back on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Sorry its taken a few days but dial up bit iffy in Western Isles of GM. After a bit of remote furkling, XDW returned to full power 14th Dec at around 1240Z...hope it stays up...remote camera showing new snow falling and about +20F. Here at Loch Lomond, Scotland its tropical at 54F... Laurence GM4DMA aka KL1X wd2xdw 137,77355 dot dot dot x12 at dot 60... _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work  and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41715 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 10:23:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 10:23:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4102 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 10:23:11 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 10:23:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVTOj-0008KN-CC for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:22:49 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.67] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVTOi-0008KE-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:22:48 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:22:16 -0800 Received: from 217.44.156.85 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:22:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.44.156.85] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:22:15 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2003 10:22:16.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[25A13FA0:01C3C22C] Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS by PA0SE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dick - Alaska receiving system still up and running on 135,922 ok as of UK Sunday morning- vy 73 Laurence en route Cumbria >From: Dick Rollema >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS by PA0SE >Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:11:57 +0100 > >To All from PA0SE > >Tnx to Alan and Jim for their comments. > >I intend to do so beaconing and as a compromise will use QRSS10. I will >try to stick to 135.922kHz, the frequency K1LX is monitoring (hope the >receiver is on during his stay in London). >I will start at 2200 UTC on Saturday and perhaps continue till 0800 UTC on >Sunday. > >I can check the frequency with a counter having 1 Hz resolution at ten >times the transmit frequency. But It is unrealistic to expect I can >maintain frequency to that accuracy, especially during sleeping time. >Text will be PA0SE repeated. >Keeping my fingers crossed.... > >73, Dick, PA0SE > >At 10:51 13-12-03, you wrote: >>Dear Dick, >> >>It depends what sort of operation you are going for - most random 2-way >>QSOs take place between about 137.650 and 137.750kHz at a speed of 3s/dot. >>At this speed, a few Hz drift is not a serious problem, and VFOs are quite >>practical, provided you monitor the frequency. The easiest way to do that >>is to watch your TX frequency on the RX spectrogram display - that way it >>is easy to see if your QRG is drifting across someone else's signal. At >>most QTHs there are fixed-frequency spectral lines visible in the display >>which make convenient calibration markers when you get to know them. Most >>operation seems to take place after dark and before midnight, but it is >>not unusual to see QRSS during the day. >> >>For the transatlantic or other long-distance beacon-type operations, >>longer dot lengths are needed, usually 30s or more, with consequently >>better stability. The choice of frequency varies according to prevailing >>activity - at the moment, the trend is for non-european stations to use >>frequencies around 137.78kHz, while the Europeans use around 135.92, to >>avoid causing blocking to nearby stations - but this varies between >>individual operations. For transatlantic beacons, propagation normally >>starts to open up about 2300 or so, and to fade out when it gets light, >>about 0800utc. >> >>Good luck - not sure if I will be QRV today or not, but will try to be >>tomorrow evening, so might see you then. >> >>Cheers, Jim Moritz >>73 de M0BMU >>>As I am new to QRSS I have some questions: >>> >>>1. What frequency to be used. >>>2. What speed to be used. >>>3. At what times transmission to be started and finished. >>> >>>73, Dick, PA0SE _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year  six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29730 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 10:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 10:27:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 102 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 10:27:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 10:27:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AV6zO-00072c-8n for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:27:10 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.23] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AV6zN-00072T-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:27:09 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:26:37 -0800 Received: from 217.44.156.85 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:26:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.44.156.85] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:26:37 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2003 10:26:37.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[973DD200:01C3C163] Subject: LF: XDW OFf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 With the ever changing weather in Anchorage I see the TX has tripped and will probably not come back on until manually reset. This was a concern due to new heavy snow but moreover from fluctuating power in the area. A hardpower will not reset and Im guessing from the diagnositcs is that is what has happened and isnt SWR related.... Im in Europe now (just arrived in London) - so the beacon will be off until we return from the UK - tbc. Sorry - the receivers are still operational - and it continues to display multiple rx LF screen captures to the web site. Laurence KL1X WD2XDW _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46297 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 22:39:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 22:39:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 1617 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 22:39:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 22:39:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUCyS-0005Ip-QE for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:38:28 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.70] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUCyP-0005Ig-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:38:26 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:37:54 -0800 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:37:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:37:54 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 22:37:54.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[406E8B00:01C3BF6E] Subject: LF: conditions 2330Z 10th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Sitting here in the snow and rain at work - looking at my web site I see the ghosts on 137,7748 are back, so, without even looking at DCF Im pretty sure conditions to Europe are already good. Looking 135,922 dot 60 and....cw Laurence KL1X Anchorage 137,77355 still mistuned for another hour or so... _________________________________________________________________ Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84204 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 01:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 01:01:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 8009 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2003 01:01:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 01:00:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATshJ-0001g5-U2 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:59:25 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.46] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ATshI-0001fw-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:59:25 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: mail Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:58:53 -0800 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:58:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@mailman.qth.net Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:58:53 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Dec 2003 00:58:53.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[C80B9CD0:01C3BEB8] Subject: LF: DCF39 at dot 60 138.83Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hmmm Im trying still to find out where these little "DCF" signatures are coming from that seem to coincide with max strength of DCF39. I pick up signatures on 137,7748 and 137,779 appx that have all the marks of being an "image" of DCF39 - if you were to ask me how much weaker these are I would say around 60dbsomethings. Viewing DCF39 in Europe on dot60 probably produces a very wide "ringing" argo signature....? I see something that is around 0.15Hz noisy ghost, whilst DCF39 is "ringing" up to 3Hz in width (if you see what I mean) Now the DCF signal here is much weaker than in Europe, and if it is something from or by DCF39 I would have thought Eu receivers would be picking it up....Ive tried other sound cards, receivers and even antennae and the apparition is still visible and its strength closely follows DCF39 strength. Im nearly losing sleep over what this could be...I still think the signals are real but where from. Ive eliminated Loran from my thoughts. If Im boring you in my quest, Im sorry! Laurence KL1X sluething..... http://www.kl1x.com > _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 44862 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 23:52:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 23:52:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 9425 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 23:52:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 23:51:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATV9t-0004vG-Bq for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:51:21 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.98] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ATV9q-0004v7-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:51:18 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:50:47 -0800 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:50:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Cc: jsm@gulfislands.com, silversmj@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:50:46 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2003 23:50:47.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[19E80670:01C3BDE6] Subject: LF: XDW mode change - temp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 WD2XDW part 5 137,77356 Khz will be changing modes this afternoon Alaskan time - Replacing "XDW" to a stream of 60 sec "dots" - this may improve id given the ZL experiences. CW 6WPM ID will still take place appx every 30 mins - The change will take place at appx 0200Z 9th Dec until advised. See web site for actual change time - See 2nd argo for remote receiver synchro tx/rx timing. Laurence KL1X Anchorage BP41XD http://www.kl1x.com _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6138 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 20:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 20:20:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 12432 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 20:20:15 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 20:20:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATRrL-0001wR-By for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:19:59 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.43] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ATRrK-0001tR-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:19:58 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:19:26 -0800 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:19:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:19:26 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2003 20:19:26.0826 (UTC) FILETIME=[93DBA4A0:01C3BDC8] Subject: RE: LF: Activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Being an avid cw'er this would be my preference too, after all it was my job to send and receive the stuff for a number of years and it put bread on the table - but being in the boonies QRSS is really the only mode that is probable in being received here. Saying that given another 30 dBs in signal improvement I might have been able to read Lauries CW signal last year. Never say never. Beaconing may seem a waste for some but for propagation testing/research its a big plus for me. 2 Way of course is preferable, but Ill take any signal... Its coming to that time of year when I welcome any CW or QRSS signal test from Europe/East Coast - link this with Geo/solar and weather activity it all adds up to another dot on the graph. If theres one thing Ive learnt since being here its that LF propagation is far from boring - So Ive opened up a few more receive windows and would welcome any activity before I have to pull down the tower. Laurence KL1X - Anchorage >From: "James Moritz" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: RE: LF: Activity. >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:25:53 -0000 > >Dear LF Group, > >One of the problems of CW operation on 136k is that there are not so >many stations you can work, and after you have worked each of them >several times, you run out of things to say to each other. So to get a >high level of activity really needs new stations taking the plunge to >get QRV on the band. But a sort of intermediate step is to have >cross-band QSOs - between 136k and 80m or 40m (or 20m if you are getting >really ambitious...). So if anyone who currently only has receive >capability on LF would like to try a cross-band sked, please let me >know. > >QRSS is not a huge technical leap for those who have never tried >"digital modes" (it isn't really very digital of course) - the computer >you are reading this e-mail on is probably perfectly capable of >receiving QRSS, with the addition of an audio lead and some free >software. Most people would prefer an aural CW signal, but many times >this just isn't possible. QRSS certainly expands your horizons under >these conditions. Having a rather nice audio spectrum analyser attached >to your receiver is quite interesting too! > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > > _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 99492 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 17:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 17:56:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 2796 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2003 17:56:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 17:55:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATPat-0008JF-6c for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:54:51 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.70] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ATPaq-0008Gm-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:54:48 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: mail Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:54:16 -0800 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:54:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:54:15 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2003 17:54:16.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C019180:01C3BDB4] Subject: RE: LF: Activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Good strongish signals from DCF (s7) until UK dawn, and CFH (56) last night...no one seen/heard. East coast CFH is peaking WAY early here just an hour or two after my sunset at appx 0130Z - got to take note of this when looking for MP/NA etc Looking and listening/logging +24 hrs between beacon characters 135,921,5 - 925 dot 60 137,777-781 dot 30 137,7725-137,775 dot 60 and by ear! Laurence http://www.kl1x.com >From: "Ian Kyle" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Activity. >Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:45:25 -0000 > >Back in business again on 136 but not with new TX so only 50 - 60W and >antenna current down now that everything is soggy and cold. Good copy from >VO1NA the last two nights, pretty well all night until 1000z. >Will be attacking the TX again this week. > >73 de, > >Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ > > _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76073 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 21:04:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 21:04:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 24461 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 21:04:14 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 21:04:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AT63Q-0000P8-Od for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:03:00 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.21] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AT63N-0000Oz-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:02:57 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:02:26 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 21:02:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Cc: martin.howell@tiscali.co.uk Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 12:02:25 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2003 21:02:26.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AE53C00:01C3BD05] Subject: LF: WD2XDW back on after ice/snow removal and insulator "sweeping" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Propagation Beacon WD2XDW ON at 2100Z 7th Dec 137,77355 D120 CW6 3.5 Amps Aerial current. Have a Sunday Laurence KL1X Anchorage 16F light snow. http://www.kl1x.com _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65150 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:56:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7029 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:56:21 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:56:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARc8w-0002pX-Mp for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:54:34 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.22] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARc8t-0002ox-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:54:32 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: mail Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:54:00 -0800 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 18:54:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:54:00 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2003 18:54:00.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[D06C8400:01C3B9CE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 I have a CW jack on the beacon - if only I was allowed to use it! 73 Laurence wd2xdw 137,77355 BP41XD in W5 land, >From: "hamilton mal" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Spam etc >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:43:41 -0000 > >............... The BEACON mode and some QRS seems to be the only thing at >present and although useful is a backward step. >> > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98706 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 02:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 02:09:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5980 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2003 02:09:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 02:08:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AQdPn-0001SN-OL for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:03:55 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.16] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AQdPm-0001SE-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:03:54 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: mail Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:03:23 -0800 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:03:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, martin.howell@tiscali.co.uk, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Cc: silversmj@yahoo.com, jsm@gulfislands.com Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:03:22 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2003 02:03:23.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CCB7D70:01C3B7AF] Subject: LF: Out of Office - go South young man.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Wd2XDW will be on "remote control" from tonite until around 0500Z 8th Dec - (remote control via gotomypc software) QRSS60 keying "XDW" now starts in multiples of 10 minutes -this will allow a slightly larger window for receiving between characters here. (thanks Rik) www.kl1x.com has a number of new argo windows open - CFH's FSK +-40Hz or so on 137,000 Khz (dot 3 - ) ----- Rx for Europeans on 135.922 (dot 60), 137.77-137.81 for MP/XFX/NA (dot 30), and appx 137,7725-137,7755 (dot 60) which includes wd2xdw's tx freq and the UNID on 137,7748 which peaks when Eu condx seems favorbale. My receiver passband wont encompass all of this and DCF39 - so DCF has been dropped for CFH for the time being. Conditions - At 0145Z 1st December CFH is just audible on FSK (fade patterns about 15 mins pk to trough today) and DCF39 from Burg is S9 and loud. The main receiver is now set at 135.500Khz so all Argos are plus Hz of that frequency. Off to Oklahoma for a looksee...! Vy Laurence KL1X _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 74530 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 09:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 09:34:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 56278 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 09:34:39 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 09:34:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaAqE-000EX1-FF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:34:38 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaApi-00026d-0J for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:34:06 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.21] (helo=cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaAph-00026U-31 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:34:05 +0000 Received: from modem-115.andunie.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.109.115] helo=d6y6c7) by cmailm5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaApU-0002td-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:33:52 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (d6y6c7) Message-ID: <000a01c3cb93$f4142da0$736d883e@d6y6c7> From: "Lawrence Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:37:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: xdw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: LF: xdw > > Just Back home in Alaksa after spending an upplaned overnighter in Utah. > Loading coil is unreachable - buried in 6 foot drift between house and > stables. It will take me all of tmw to dig out to get to it. - beacon off > till then. DCF39 sitting at S9+10 at 0100Z 26th. > > Listening 137,772-137,7745 and 137,7765-137,781 dot 30 till I sort out > things. very good Eu but no sign of CFH at the moment. > > Laurence KL1X - > > Welcome back home_glad you managed to open presents on right day. Sorry we did'nt see you but do understand how busy you both were. Conditions best for some time so transmitted last night also around our sunset.. Will look again for you when you have sorted out damage. Would very much like to achieve both send and recieveHi !.All the best for 2004 and hope to hear you when you get the Decca going. 73 Laurie._______________________________________________________________ > Expand your wine savvy - and get some great new recipes - at MSN Wine. > http://wine.msn.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56319 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 08:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 08:16:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 16666 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 08:16:08 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 08:16:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZQf9-0004EB-3n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:16:07 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZQeP-0006hq-ML for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:15:21 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.176] (helo=cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZQeP-0006hh-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:15:21 +0000 Received: from modem-7.annatar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.115.135] helo=d6y6c7) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZQeD-0006wQ-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 08:15:09 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (d6y6c7) Message-ID: <000501c3c9f6$9ec2a500$8773883e@d6y6c7> From: "Lawrence Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:18:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 A very Happy Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year to all the LF community. Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 65796 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 15:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 15:44:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 19171 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2003 15:44:44 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 15:43:56 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASI5h-0007Lz-84 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:42:01 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.18] (helo=cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASI5g-0007Lq-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:42:00 +0000 Received: from modem-76.ar-sakalthur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.127.204] helo=d6y6c7) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASI5f-000210-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:41:59 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (d6y6c7) Message-ID: <000a01c3ba7d$9efa7bc0$cc7f883e@d6y6c7> From: "Lawrence Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:44:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79819 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 17:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 17:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 15020 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2003 17:34:35 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 17:33:22 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARaou-0001c1-W6 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:29:48 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARaou-0001bs-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:29:48 +0000 Received: from modem-95.anfauglir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.109.223] helo=d6y6c7) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARaot-0008Pd-OJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:29:48 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (d6y6c7) Message-ID: <000001c3b8fa$581df940$df6d883e@d6y6c7> From: "LAWRENCE MAYHEAD" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:23:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Spam ..... sad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi All, As Alan said in a recent message. Where are all the LF users ??? Has the magic gone out of it ? Conditions have settled down since the recent sun spot activity, and from past experience we should be seeing a lift in propagation. I am looking for Laurence every night now. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 94140 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 01:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 01:58:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 14266 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2003 01:58:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 01:57:55 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASRdu-0007id-UB for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:53:58 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.97] (helo=imo-r01.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASRdt-0007iU-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:53:58 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: LWCANews@aol.com Received: from LWCANews@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.90.3ffa3598 (1320) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:53:24 -0500 (EST) From: LWCANews@aol.com Message-ID: <90.3ffa3598.2d029094@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:53:24 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: LF: Test of bogus sender. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 If this message does _not_ get through, kudos to John Gould and the sysop! John D. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12320 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:33:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 9338 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:34:03 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:33:51 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVvef-0005kk-4I for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:33:09 +0000 Received: from [212.77.101.160] (helo=smtp.wp.pl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVvee-0005kb-9e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:33:08 +0000 Received: (WP-SMTPD 16573 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:32:37 -0000 Received: from miglanc.socrates.org.pl (HELO lubon) (sq5bpm@[194.181.189.2]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (wp-smtpd) with SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2003 16:32:37 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (lubon) Message-ID: <003701c3c328$d8b89730$2701a8c0@lubon> From: "Marek SQ5BPM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <141.1ebd538e.2d0f2a42@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:31:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Antivirus: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-ChangeAV: 0 Subject: LF: Re: LF QSO. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 > > At breakfast time this morning I looked down the garden &saw half the top > > loading wires on the antenna were hanging down the side of my metal > > telescopic mast, a support line had broken. I will endevour to carry out a > > repair today (monday 15th if my work schedule allows)& be back on again > > soon > > Congratulations on the first QSO Gary........and welcome to the world of high > voltages on your antenna......Best avoid 'braided' polypropylene etc as water > gets trapped between the fibres. A good glass or ceramic insulator or > similar should be reliable. I look forward to hearing you on the band. > A story from my last activity on 6/7 December: The LF antenna cable in our club goes through the window - all other HF cables go through the ventilation chimney, but for this antenna it is simply impossible. I've been transmitting ca. 400W RF and my friend Artur came into the club. I was too late to say "be careful" as he walked to the window and opened it, the cable fell down onto the window-sill (which has some metal parts, probably partially grounded through the wall). The only thing I saw before I pressed Cancel in QRSS was a bright, blue light of sparks. Fortunately Artur did not touch the cable itself and did not get injured... Now there is a nice circle, 1cm in diameter, burned on the window-sill... Apart of that, nothing happened to anyone, nor to the transmitter & antenna cable. Since this accident I don't have to explain _again_ to be careful due to a really high voltage in the wire and the tuning coil - everybody knows it too well... BTW is THIS frequency causing "only" a scalding or an electric shock or both? HF stays on the body surface, might burn the skin, but what about 137kHz? I am simply curious... 73! Marek SQ5BPM SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51615 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 13:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 13:16:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 3716 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 13:16:04 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 13:15:55 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU4Bf-0004U0-CN for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:15:31 +0000 Received: from [212.77.101.160] (helo=smtp.wp.pl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU4Be-0004Ti-AY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:15:30 +0000 Received: (WP-SMTPD 20366 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 13:14:56 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: miglanc.socrates.org.pl Received: from miglanc.socrates.org.pl (HELO lubon) (sq5bpm@[194.181.189.2]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (wp-smtpd) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2003 13:14:55 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (lubon) Message-ID: <008701c3bf1f$4fb18030$2701a8c0@lubon> From: "Marek SQ5BPM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:12:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Antivirus: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-ChangeAV: 0 Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 > [...] > I'm quite incapable of integrating SIN(x^2)/x^2 from first principles (or > any other way for that matter :-) to calculate the level of the main lobe. > Can anyone point out the best way to do this calculation ? Dear Andy and all, If the only problem is the calculation of the integral - try Derive. I have an old DOS version at home. I do not have it at work at the moment, however I found a demo (30-day trial) version of Derive5 for Windows at http://www.derive-europe.com/ . At http://cobjs.compu-ag.de/nonhacking/derive/ you can find a pirated(?) German version of the software, if you prefer. OK, assuming that you've installed it, to simply calculate the difinite integral of sin(x^2)/(x^2) do the following: - in the bottom line type sin(x^2)/(x^2) and Enter - the expression should appear and should be marked (selected) - go to menu: Calculus->Integrate - Variable: x, select Definite, set Lower and Upper limit, press OK. A beautiful integral sign should appear and the whole expression should be marked (selected) - go to Menu: Simplify->Approximate, select the desired accuracy and press Approximate. If you play around, you'll find a way to draw a nice plot of your function... 73! Marek SQ5BPM P.S. I just found the old Derive for DOS in the Internet, but... I realised that an unexperienced user will probably get even more puzzled than when using the German version for Windows without knowing German HI. But - you can try it: http://www.geocities.com/andreubass/programes/derive.zip . Unzip it to a new folder and run derive.exe. In this version you do everything with the keyboard only, mostly by pressing letter keys. So, just to start the VGA graphics mode, to be able to plot, do this (press the letters in square brackets): [O]ptions [D]isplay [G]raphics [H]igh [V]GA [Enter] multi[S]ync. Now an example, how to plot a simple function: [W]indow [S]plit [V]ertical [W]indow [N]ext [W]indow [D]esignate [2]D-Plot [W]indow [N]ext . Now press [A]uthor and for example type x^2 [Enter]. Now [P]lot [P]lot. Beautiful, isn't it? To go back, press [A]lgebra. Play around. You can reference to your previous equations by typing #n, for example to do now sin(x^2)/(x^2), you could use [A]uthor and sin(#1)/#1, because x^2 has just been saved under #1. To make an integral, you can use [C]alculus [I]ntegrate, it is similar to the Windows version. We used this nice software in the secondary school, about 10 years ago, but I still use it when I have to quickly check something like (try it) : lim((x^2+1)/(x^2),x,inf) and then [S]implify. In this case the result is obvious, but this is just as an example what this software is capable of. Remember that this software has been written to run even on an IBM PC-XT with a Hercules "graphic card"! I know that there are much better mathematical programs than this old Derive but... I think that the best software is the software you know the best :D From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8916 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 23:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 23:54:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 83350 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 23:54:57 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 23:54:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AbThQ-000LZe-W1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:54:57 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AbTgs-0006N5-HO for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:54:22 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.99] (helo=imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AbTgr-0006Mu-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:54:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: MarkusVester@aol.com Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.17.40ee6b57 (25914) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:53:39 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <17.40ee6b57.2d236a03@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:53:39 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA beaconing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all,

since 23:24, I am transmitting on 135922.3/.4Hz DFCW (60s on 20s off); EMRP should be around 170mW. In the breaks, I can see Brian 0.65Hz above me. CFH peaked ~27 dBµV/m around 22:15, but has faded by 10 dB now.

73 de Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK

JRusgrove@comcast.net:
>Please let us (on this side of the pond) know when you'll be running in beacon mode.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16056 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 22:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 22:41:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 94678 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 22:41:48 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 22:41:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ab654-000ORE-PG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:41:46 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ab64X-0008C3-BQ for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:41:13 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.99] (helo=imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ab64W-0008Bu-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:41:12 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: MarkusVester@aol.com Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.1e5.168081c1 (16335) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:40:37 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1e5.168081c1.2d220764@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:40:36 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: OM2TW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090808010508050807010505" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090808010508050807010505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi group,

Rich OM2TW is now calling CQ on 137776.4 Hz 30s/dot, see screenshot (times are UT+1h).

73 de Markus, DF6NM
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Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMVX-0005b4-O3 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:02:03 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.163] (helo=imo-m08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMVW-0005ap-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:02:03 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: MarkusVester@aol.com Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.7f.40e71d3a (17079) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:01:24 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.40e71d3a.2d1f5b34@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:01:24 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: CFH strong Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi group,

good transatlantic condx: CFH is unusually strong, about 32 dBµV/m at 21:50, and noise is relatively low.

73
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 81838 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:49:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:49:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 29283 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:49:07 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:49:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaMIz-0007VV-T5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:49:05 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMIi-0005HI-4j for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:48:48 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.162] (helo=imo-m07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMIh-0005H9-11 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:48:47 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: MarkusVester@aol.com Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.31.425fc1cf (3874) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <31.425fc1cf.2d1f581b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:48:11 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: Sat-TV timebase Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alberto and LF group,

the Astra downlink I observed was analog FM (10964MHz horizontal). The satellite signal was an exact, but delayed replica, with apparently no buffering. The only problem is that the path delay has some daily Doppler variation due to the small excentricity and inclination of the not-quite geostationary orbit. During my comparisons in November 2001, this shift amounted up to about 50µs peak-peak over 24h. Furthermore, the time-shift is not easily predictable, as tidal effects and occasional correction maneuvers cause a day-to-day variation in the orbital parameters. - If you can receive terrestrial ZDF, one very crude but enlightening experiment is to simply combine the two video sources via different resistors and watch the weaker signal's sync-bar wander across the screen in the course of a day.

Another stable signal on Astra is 3sat (11347MHz v), which seems to have a precise video clock and does not exhibit the notorious 1µs short-term jitter of ZDF. However it is not available on a terrestrial network. I then tried to measure the orbital delay from the time-difference of the two ZDF signals and apply that as a correction to the 3sat-signal (f = f_3sat + f_zdf_sat - f_zdf_terr). But the scheme failed, simply because ZDF and 3sat are carried on different spacecraft in the cluster (Astra 2C and Astra 1H respectively).

73 and happy experimenting

Markus


In einer eMail vom 27.12.2003 19:17:23 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt dibene@usa.net:

Markus
do you (or anybody else) know if the re-broadcasting of ZDF via the Astra satellite keeps
the timebase accuracy, or some frame buffer is inserted in between, that would of course
ruin that precison ?   Thanks

73  Alberto  I2PHD
P.S. My wife watches ZDF more often than the Italian television :-)


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4702 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 15:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 15:40:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 65234 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 15:40:50 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 15:40:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaGYb-000GrP-OA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:40:49 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaGYA-0007lE-8W for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:40:22 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.35] (helo=imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaGY9-0007kq-Gj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:40:21 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: MarkusVester@aol.com Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.1f1.163ec2c5 (18251) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:39:45 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.163ec2c5.2d1f01c1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:39:45 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: 60kHz: JJY and WWWB visible behind MSF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi LF group,

in the gaps of the MSF timecode on 60kHz, it is possible to observe signal strength and phase progression of DX time stations JJY (Japan) and WWVB (Colorado) in Europe. You can find details of the experiment and a comment on ZDF TV-timebase jitter on

http://members.aol.com/df6nm/MSFgaps.htm

73 and best wishes
de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55724 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:48:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 23947 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:48:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:48:06 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVXWq-0002yF-UK for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:47:28 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.97] (helo=imo-r01.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVXWp-0002xa-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:47:28 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: MarkusVester@aol.com Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1e1.159538fd (4184) for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:46:50 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.159538fd.2d0dd1d9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:46:49 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: TA, CFH qrp?, QRSS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF group,

here are some reports on the "slow work":

TA
conditions have been rather favourable recently. Joe VO1NA was visible several mornings on his QRG 137777.07; today before 7:00 even "O" for about 20 minutes (~ -28dBµV/m). No trace from Eric or Laurence was ever received here - but that would have been a miracle anyhow.

CFH qrp?
I have been monitoring CFH levels most nights, the strongest peak I caught was +29dBµV/m on Dec 7th. But their levels are unusually weak now: During the night of Dec 11-12th, CFH disappeared at midnight UT. They reappeared half an hour later, but 5 Hz higher and about 10dB weaker than before. After a second interruption between 01:12 and 01:20, they came back on their original frequency pair (~136959/137039), but have stayed weak since. Can someone possibly confirm that they have actually reduced their radiated power?

PA0SE QRSS
On tonight's overnight scan, there was a line on ~135921 Hz which I attributed to Dick, though with 1-minute averaging I couldn't actually resolve the characters. It peaked ~9dBµV/m (RMS average of dashes and gaps) and ended at 7:50 UT. Browsing back through the captures, I incidentally found a very similar trace on Dec 9/10, 22:30 to 7:50, wandering a bit around 135970.

QRSS activity
Notes on signals logged around 137.7 today:

OK2BVG (+4) dfcw, seen for the first time
IK5ZPV  (+5 dBµV/m, with variable spurious sidebands a couple of Hz away)
DK7FC (+3) dfcw 4Hz shift
S57A (-4)
S52AB (-8)
I5TGC  (-2) chirped Hell

73 and best wishes to all

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 40073 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 18:53:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 18:53:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 19589 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 18:52:53 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 18:52:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARyWb-00069Q-F0 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:48:29 +0000 Received: from [217.72.192.158] (helo=smtp.web.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARyWa-00069C-SN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:48:28 +0000 Received: from [217.228.164.171] (helo=pD9E4A4AB.dip.t-dialin.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.99 #566) id 1ARyW6-0006jT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:47:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:48:03 +0100 From: "Michael Oexner" X-Suspect-Bulk-Mailer: The Bat! X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Personal X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <1173800508.20031204194803@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <17d.24167aca.2d00d3a1@aol.com> References: <17d.24167aca.2d00d3a1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hi all, >> Try something like mailwasher. > All good and well, but as I said yesterday (a) it's not 100% > effective, and (b) one utterly miniscule change to the list rules > would virtually eliminate any spam coming through the reflector and > thereby reduce the total volume of junkmail. > John Is the list moderator following this discussion? Who's in charge of this mailing list (sorry for not knowing this)? Why not send him a mail directly and ask him to change the necessary Majordomo (?) settings?? -- Best regards, Michael mailto:michael.oexner@web.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76339 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 09:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 09:08:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 21592 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2003 09:08:09 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 09:06:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARpNA-0005ka-1l for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:02:08 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.41] (helo=mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARpN9-0005kR-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:02:07 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: mikedennison Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031204090207.CMQJ10749.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@mikedennison> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:02:07 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:02:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FCEF80D.17338.19F1BC@localhost> In-reply-to: <000901c3b9c6$5111f3a0$55c428c3@bryan2> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: LF: cheer up. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 On 3 Dec 2003 at 17:53, captbrian wrote: > some newbies are here waiting for rain to stop to get up something even > remotely resembling an LF antenna in a space 50ft x 150 on top of solid > chalk and a few feet of clay. That's similar to what I have here, except the garden is 35ft x 80. It is certainly possible to get out on LF (22 countries worked two-way). Keep trying. Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56752 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 22:04:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:04:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 61401 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 22:04:01 -0000 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:04:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AWNIP-000FyB-85 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:04:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AWNHZ-0005aD-HN for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:03:09 +0000 Received: from [64.23.85.10] (helo=mail.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AWNHY-0005Zx-Ot; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:03:08 +0000 Received: from [80.177.27.145] (helo=pbdesktop) by mail.salmark.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1AWNHX-0006wf-00; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:03:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c3c420$6abb1930$6f46a8c0@pbdesktop> From: "Peter Bowyer" To: vhf-dx-discuss@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, vhf-contests@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:03:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: qsl.net again Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
OK, they've now blocked the server I've been re-routing through. I give up.
 
I know the people most affected won't get this - but I can no longer support qsl.net addresses on the blacksheep.org reflectors. They've finally driven us away.
 
If anyone feels like writing to them to ask them why, go ahead. I can't, my only remaining server is blacklisted there.
 
Peter G4MJS
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21920 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 09:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 09:41:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 11507 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2003 09:41:59 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 09:41:47 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASvKF-00082U-Bm for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:35:39 +0000 Received: from [64.23.85.10] (helo=mail.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASvKE-00082L-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:35:39 +0000 Received: from [80.177.27.145] (helo=pbdesktop) by mail.salmark.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1ASvKB-0002UZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:35:35 -0500 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (pbdesktop) Message-ID: <017401c3bca5$7862c330$7046a8c0@pbdesktop> From: "Peter Bowyer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:35:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Test message Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Should get bounced...
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28985 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 17:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 17:10:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 31292 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 17:10:35 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 17:10:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaHxQ-0007b8-Fu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:10:32 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaHx3-0000pM-Mx for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:10:09 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 168.144.1.60 Received: from [168.144.1.60] (helo=relay2.softcomca.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaHx3-0000ov-19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:10:09 +0000 Received: from M2W097.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.210]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:09:37 -0500 Message-ID: <410-220031262717937628@M2W097.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 195.92.67.65 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: peter.cleall@virgin.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:09:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 17:09:37.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[35498140:01C3CC9C] Subject: LF: calibration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 many thanks to those who replied off list. Think I now have enough info to get system calibrated regards peter g8afn -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9195 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 09:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 09:58:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 6447 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 09:58:41 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 09:58:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaBDU-0001ZB-1p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:58:40 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaBDF-0002Qg-LD for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:58:25 +0000 X-No-DNS-For: 168.144.1.60 Received: from [168.144.1.60] (helo=relay2.softcomca.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaBDD-0002QM-Ft for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:58:23 +0000 Received: from M2W039.mail2web.com ([168.144.251.144]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: <315530-220031262795751904@M2W039.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 195.92.67.67 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: peter.cleall@virgin.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:57:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 09:57:52.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4508EF0:01C3CC5F] Subject: LF: QH rx tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 seasons greetings to all on the list. thought I would do some listening / looking for QRSS need to calibtate RX for 137.7890 and 137.700 . last summer RX appeared to be off frequency by 20/30 hz can see Rtty signal with tones at 136.970 and 137.040 this morning. can someone please advise the exact frequencies they are on so I can calibrate system. Are there a couple of loran lines to calibrate on closer in to the operating frequency of QH when Argo is set to 60 sec mode. thanks peter g8afn -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10724 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 21:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 21:02:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 26633 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2003 21:02:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 21:01:49 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AQv6N-0004pm-Km for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:57:03 +0000 Received: from [149.174.40.13] (helo=siaag1ag.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AQv6M-0004pd-Mj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:57:02 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ag.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-2.9) id hB1KuUik019560 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:56:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:42:12 -0500 From: "Prof R. Jennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200312011542_MC3-1-5D65-A15E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: LF: Topband Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dick, The present allocation in the U.K. is !.810 MHz to 2.00 MHz. Max. power 26 dBW from 1.81 to 1.85 and 15 dBW from1.85 to 2.0 Mhz. It is mainly inhabited by old timers, such as this 81 year old correspondent! 73, Roger, G2AJV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98293 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 16:37:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:37:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 10859 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2003 16:37:53 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 16:37:10 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASIt1-0008Qd-L4 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:32:59 +0000 Received: from [64.136.30.74] (helo=m11.lax.untd.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASIt0-0008Q7-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 16:32:58 +0000 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewPU1KxqB4ZiaR+8u1lrbxu8MkwfscuRRFQ==">; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:31:56 PST Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id JGNARP92; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:31:56 PST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:31:22 -0500 Message-ID: <20031205.113122.2360.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-22,24,26,28,30-32 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Subject: Re: LF: re PL259s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:53:28 -0000 "Alan Melia" writes: > Hi Jim, you forgot the straw and camel droppings in the list of > materials to > cast a "shiny" PL259. I have a feeling the difficulty soldering is > the much > vaunted nickel plating. The MaCom version that Harry does is robust. > I spent > about 10 years recently with a PMR firm fitting, amongst other > users, Taxis > and farm tractors with PMR. We were forever having trouble with the > cheapies > about 6 months after fitting, often sooner in the tractors. When we > started > fitting good ones, I can never remember having to replace one. In > fact I > used to scrounge the second-hand ones for personal use. We used to > buy from > ITT at Harlow now Arrow....or have they been sold again.....or > closed > Consider a US company RF connections,, on the web. They sell good quality PL 259s for ,,I believe 2 dollars US. I place them on RG 8 cable by folding the braid back over the sheath and screwing them on the cable and soldering the center connecter, sounds bad bur really works for me. a gob of weather proofing and they are complete. For me this idea works well up through 144 Mhz Bob K3DJC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16906 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 16:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 16:19:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 45771 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 16:19:08 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 16:19:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AX0rj-000Btj-Lj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:19:07 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AX0rM-0004Ad-H2 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:18:44 +0000 Received: from [134.58.240.42] (helo=rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AX0rL-00049y-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:18:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627001D7C09 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:18:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06451D754C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:18:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F68380002 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:18:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from 144.81-200-80.adsl.skynet.be (144.81-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.81.144]) by webmail2.kuleuven.be (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:18:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1071764292.3fe1d344d9228@webmail2.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:18:12 +0100 From: "Rik Strobbe" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c3c57e$4cd22ee0$8fe4fc3e@l8p8y6> In-reply-to: <000c01c3c57e$4cd22ee0$8fe4fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Originating-IP: 80.200.81.144 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: WIN XP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 They do 73, Rik ON7YD > Hi All > > Does anyone know if the popular progs ARGO, SPECLAB and ON7YD QRS > work with Windows XP > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42377 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 08:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 08:34:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4002 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 08:34:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 08:34:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUikX-0003Zt-38 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:34:13 +0000 Received: from [134.58.240.41] (helo=nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUikW-0003Zd-Ky for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:34:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2E24BACB for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:33:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B864B541 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:33:41 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E9A4C0D1 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:33:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031212092840.03f92df8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:35:42 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <000201c3c087$dd82f150$7332f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: Schematic capture software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 John, what do you mean by "capture" ? If you want to copy diagrams from the screen and paste them to a graphic format (BMP, GIF, JPG ...) it's rather easy : * press "control"+"PrintScreen" * open any graphic software (eg. Paint) * press "control"+"V", now you have the entire screen as picture * use the cut and/or copy function to get that part you need and save it If you want to draw circuit diagram or design PCB's I can recommend Eagle from CadSoft. They have a powerful freeware version : http://www.cadsoft.de/freeware.htm 73, Rik ON7YD At 21:46 11/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >May I have suggestions, please, on a suitable software package to capture >circuit diagrams. At the moment I'm using CorelDRAW and very powerful it is >but I am looking for something that will take me rather less time. > >Regards, >John Rabson >Editor >Cave Radio and Electronics Group Journal >British Cave Research Association >Tel: +44 (0)1394 460 298 >Fax: +44 (0)1394 420 795 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1109 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 16:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 16:36:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 15010 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 16:35:46 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 16:35:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUTmP-0005C6-Vk for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:35:09 +0000 Received: from [134.58.240.42] (helo=rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUTmP-0005BW-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:35:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05731D7422 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:34:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786BE1D7389 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:34:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D55C4C2C5 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:34:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from 14-164.240.81.adsl.skynet.be (14-164.240.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.240.164.14]) by webmail2.kuleuven.be (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:34:38 +0100 Message-ID: <1071160478.3fd89c9e56656@webmail2.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:34:38 +0100 From: "Rik Strobbe" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Originating-IP: 81.240.164.14 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 It's illegal in Belgium for some time ... But it hasn't stopped any spam with me, I don't think these guys care much about Belgian (or UK) laws. 73, Rik ON7YD > Hi, > > According to the TV news today all unsolicited mail is now illegal > and those sending it will be prosecuted. I hope this is the end of > spam buisness. Others probably have seen the same news and know more > about it. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62521 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 08:37:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 08:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 24183 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 08:37:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 08:37:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARSVP-0002l3-To for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:37:07 +0000 Received: from [134.58.240.46] (helo=spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARSVP-0002ku-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:37:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AED53420D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:36:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.73]) by spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C6034207 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:36:36 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by antonius.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A72F4C0D1 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:36:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031203090315.034672d0@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:38:25 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <003b01c3b902$f0523b60$e5e9fc3e@l8p8y6> References: <3FCB07EA.8688D77D@fh-amberg-weiden.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20031202141618.0220b138@u0019445.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 At 18:26 2/12/2003 +0000, G3KEV wrote : >Hi Rick >If not too difficult maybe 20 khz top freq would be useful for a bit of >tolerance for some IF outputs. >73 de Mal/G3KEV Hi Mal, Using the soundcard the theoretical limit is 22kHz (22.05kHz to be exact) assuming as 44.1kHz sample rate. Using the PC speaker one can go much higher, but at higher frequencies the steps become rather large as the PC speaker tone is derived from a 1.193182MHz xtal source, divided by 2 - 65536. So the theoretical limits are 18.2Hz to almost 600kHz. 20kHz would be derived as 1193.182kHz / 60 = 19.886Hz (so a 114Hz error). The next lower frequency would be 19.560kHz, the next higher 20.223kHz. 73, Rik PS : Although the upper limit is almost 600kHz forget about using the PC speaker as a 137kHz signal source : 1193.182 / 9 = 132.576kHz and 1193.182 / 8 = 149.148kHz. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7615 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 13:27:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 13:27:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11017 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 13:27:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 13:27:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARAXm-0006hU-Ia for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:26:22 +0000 Received: from [134.58.240.46] (helo=spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARAXl-0006hG-Uz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:26:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C40345FF for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:25:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by spoetnik.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBD834764 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:25:51 +0100 (CET) X-Fake-Domain: dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 158B438012C for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:25:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20031202141618.0220b138@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:27:25 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <003401c3b7fa$a01a6fe0$6507a8c0@Main> References: <3FCB07EA.8688D77D@fh-amberg-weiden.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Hello LF group, I was just pointed to a small error in QRS v4.01 : the lowest frequency that can be set with the soundcard is 20Hz, not 10Hz as mentioned. I checked it and it seems to be a limitation of the "tonegenerator component" I use. It seems rather unimportant to me wether one can go as low as 20Hz or 10Hz, so unless someone comes up with a good reason I will leave it that way (just change 10Hz to 20Hz in the hint and the help menu). Meanwhile I received a request to increase the upper limit of the soundcard signal to 10kHz, to allow 'HF' acoustic wave or 8-9kHz VLF radiowave experiments. This will be implemented in the next version. The next weeks will be rather busy, so I will revise QRS during the xmas holiday period. If there is anyone else with a wish-list for changes / new options in QRS please let me know, so I can implement all changes (if possible) and realese a new version early next year. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43399 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 16:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 16:51:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 19120 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2003 16:51:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 16:50:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARwg3-0004AF-BX for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:50:07 +0000 Received: from [195.161.47.18] (helo=mail.kuban.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARwg2-0004A6-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:50:06 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: sam3 Received: from sam3 (62.183.41.10.dsl.kuban.ru [62.183.41.10]) by mail.kuban.ru (8.11.1/8.12.15) with ESMTP id hB4GnsC88331 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:49:58 +0300 (MSK) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:49:41 +0300 From: "rn6bn" X-Suspect-Bulk-Mailer: The Bat! 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Today (04/dec/2003) test my equipments. 137.7 17 - 19 GMT -- Best regards, Sam, rn6bn mailto:rn6bn@73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54938 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 15:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 15:41:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 5419 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2003 15:41:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 15:40:02 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUpNu-0001yO-T5 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:39:18 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUpNu-0001y3-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:39:18 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: wwinf3005 Received: from wwinf3005 (wwinf3005 [172.22.159.32]) by mwinf3002.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4BA5C1800CA2 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:38:46 +0100 (CET) X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (wwinf3005) Message-ID: <14018604.1071243526297.JavaMail.www@wwinf3005> From: simon@creoch.freeserve.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:38:46 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: LF: Off Topic---ADSL Analysis s/w Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_NO_CHARSET,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

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> Message date : Dec 12 2003, 03:33 PM
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> With apologies for being off topic, can anyone point me in the direction
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> found one by Ipswitch but was rather expensive.
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www.freeserve.com/anytime From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 76843 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 19:49:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 38563 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 19:49:09 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 19:49:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaKQu-0009vA-Bq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:49:08 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaKQT-0003Qq-Sf for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:48:41 +0000 Received: from [212.23.8.70] (helo=heisenberg.zen.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaKQT-0003Qh-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:48:41 +0000 Received: from 82-68-48-134.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.68.48.134] helo=virgin.net) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AaKQS-00018F-F1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:48:40 +0000 Message-ID: <3FEDE215.2000900@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:48:37 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f1.163ec2c5.2d1f01c1@aol.com> <3FEDCCA2.8080709@usa.net> In-reply-to: <3FEDCCA2.8080709@usa.net> X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.68.48.134] Subject: Re: LF: Re: 60kHz: JJY and WWWB visible behind MSF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Alberto di Bene wrote: > MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi LF group, >> >> in the gaps of the MSF timecode on 60kHz, it is possible to observe >> signal strength and phase progression of DX time stations JJY (Japan) >> and WWVB (Colorado) in Europe. You can find details of the experiment >> and a comment on ZDF TV-timebase jitter on >> >> http://members.aol.com/df6nm/MSFgaps.htm > > Markus > do you (or anybody else) know if the re-broadcasting of ZDF via the > Astra satellite keeps > the timebase accuracy, or some frame buffer is inserted in between, that > would of course > ruin that precison ? Thanks > I am fairly certain that this is a digital service, in which case there is going to be an MPEG encoder/decoder in the way, and that does not have the same constraints on accuracy that an analogue system has. The timebase in a digital system is carried via a 27MHz clock that is reconstructed at the receiver from the packetised transmission system. Now the number of frames per second will be fundamentally derived from the incomming source and so should be as good as the analogue system, but the constraints on jitter are much more relaxed in a digital system. Furthermore there are going to be issues across programme boundaries where the accuracy may not be maintained and there is also the impact of the poorer signal to noise ratio (digital systems may interpolate missing frames). The reason that an analogue system needs to be so accurate is that the interference artifacts are reduced if all the frames are synchronised, so the frequency re-use plan required hightly accurate clocks. This does not apply in digital systems where the interfering signal looks just like noise. In a digital system the requirement on accuracy is driven by the need to recosntruct the colour-burst from the 27MHz MPEG system clock. 73 Stewart G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42015 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 18:05:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 18:05:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 62002 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 18:05:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZDNy-000G18-Vq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:05:31 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZDNE-0008If-DU for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:04:44 +0000 Received: from [144.254.74.5] (helo=ams-iport-1.cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZDND-0008Ed-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:04:43 +0000 Received: from virgin.net (144.254.74.60) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Dec 2003 19:05:07 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ams-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBOI3uY3015524 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:03:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp213.cisco.com [10.61.64.213]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06657 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:04:12 GMT Message-ID: <3FE9D51B.3030204@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:04:11 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3FE9A698.9025.1D0CEC4@localhost> <3FE9C418.8070300@virgin.net> In-reply-to: <3FE9C418.8070300@virgin.net> Subject: Re: LF: sub664.pdf (application/pdf Object) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 Stewart Bryant wrote: > >>> http://www.iee.org/Policy/Submissions/current.cfm >>> >>> My view is that trading is as great a threat to the >>> upper spectrum, as PLT is to the lower, and needs to >>> be defended with the same vigor as is being applied >>> to the PLT defense. >> >> >> >> Except that the supplied link for more details on the Ofcom site >> doesn't work, presumably Ofcom is still in a time of move. > > > Yes, but IEE feedback needs to be in by 23rd Jan. > > Stewart > > > The documant is here: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/current/spectrum_trading/?a=87101 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31747 invoked from network); 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 >>http://www.iee.org/Policy/Submissions/current.cfm >> >>My view is that trading is as great a threat to the >>upper spectrum, as PLT is to the lower, and needs to >>be defended with the same vigor as is being applied >>to the PLT defense. > > > Except that the supplied link for more details on the Ofcom site > doesn't work, presumably Ofcom is still in a time of move. Yes, but IEE feedback needs to be in by 23rd Jan. Stewart From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21294 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 17:36:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 17:36:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 16938 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 17:36:21 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 17:36:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYqSC-0004IM-C2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:36:20 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYqQo-00079W-17 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:34:54 +0000 Received: from [144.254.74.5] (helo=ams-iport-1.cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYqQl-00078v-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:34:51 +0000 Received: from virgin.net (144.254.74.60) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2003 18:35:14 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ams-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBNHY3WC018959 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:34:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp78.cisco.com [10.61.64.78]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06031 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:34:18 GMT Message-ID: <3FE87C9A.7010900@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:34:18 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: sub664.pdf (application/pdf Object) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 I know that a number of members of this group contributed to the IEE policy submission on PLT, but I have not seen a pointer to the final result posted here yet: IEE members who are also members of this list might be interested in the spectrum trading submission in progress (S678) at http://www.iee.org/Policy/Submissions/current.cfm My view is that trading is as great a threat to the upper spectrum, as PLT is to the lower, and needs to be defended with the same vigor as is being applied to the PLT defense. 73 Stewart G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 35714 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 19:12:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 19:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24333 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2003 19:12:37 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 19:12:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU9kU-000252-2W for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:11:50 +0000 Received: from [144.254.74.5] (helo=ams-iport-1.cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU9kT-00024t-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:11:49 +0000 Received: from virgin.net (144.254.74.60) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Dec 2003 20:08:23 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ams-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBAJB402019389 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:11:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp4279.cisco.com [10.61.80.182]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13580 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:11:18 GMT Message-ID: <3FD76FD5.2040103@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:11:17 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C3BF2E.2774C230.g4jnt@thersgb.net> <3FD76602.3010107@virgin.net> <3FD76CFC.5030209@usa.net> In-reply-to: <3FD76CFC.5030209@usa.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Alberto di Bene wrote: > Stewart Bryant wrote: > >> Don't you need the integral of sin^2(x)/x^2 >> which according to >> >> http://www.sosmath.com/tables/integral/integ37/integ37.html >> >> is pi/2 from 0 to infinity >> > Is integral # 12 from that table correct ? Shouldn't it be cos^2 > instead of cos ? because sin^2(x)+cos^2(x) = 1 (locus of a circle), yes - well spotted 73 Stewart > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78140 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 11:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 11:17:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16169 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2003 11:17:57 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 11:16:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU2Jo-0002L9-8k for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:15:48 +0000 Received: from [212.23.8.70] (helo=heisenberg.zen.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU2Jn-0002L0-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:15:47 +0000 Received: from 82-68-48-134.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.68.48.134] helo=virgin.net) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AU2Jm-00006a-JA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:15:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3FD70061.50707@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:15:45 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C3BEFA.E3D319B0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> In-reply-to: <01C3BEFA.E3D319B0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.68.48.134] Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Andy According to http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.en.cgi integral (sin[x^2)]/(x^2) is sqrt(2 pi) * FresnelC[sqrt(2/pi) * x] - sin(x^2)/x and according to http://functions.wolfram.com/GammaBetaErf/FresnelC/02/ FresnelC(z) = integral from 0 to z (cos (pi/2 * t ^2)) dt But there are a number of simpler approximations including a series approximation that looks easy to compute. I suspect that somewhere in your lab there is a copy of mathematica, and that is almost certainly the best way to evaluate your integral. 73 Stewart G3YSX Andy talbot wrote: > Is there anyone who can answer this... > > I want to make a calibrator to enable accurate (better than 0.5%) absolute > audio measurements using a soundcard - ie. at audio frequencies to 20kHz. > Generating a square wave from CMOS logic with a precisely 5V p-p (2.5v peak) > waveform is trivial and can be measured accurately to doubl;e check. The > levels of the odd harmonic tones are all precisely defined by : > > RMS Amplitude = 2.5V * 4 / PI / SQRT(2) / N > > Where N is the (odd) harmonic number, so the fundamental has an amplitude of > 2.251 Vrms which can be potted down with an accurate potential divider - > straightforward, all harmonics can be used at known levels... > > Now, here is the complicated bit, I also want to include a calibrated noise > source for accurate S/N measurements and evaluation of various decoding > techniques. To remove the need for accurate true RMS measurement to set up > this unit, I am going to use Pseudo Random Sequence generated from a shift > register clocked very much faster than the frequencies of interest. It is > straightforward to make a 2^32-1 bit long sequence clocked at, say, 5MHz which > will have a repeat cycle of 14 minutes, suitable for most purposes - even Argo > calibration ! By filtering to a bandwidth significantly less than the clock > rate (20kHz max vs. 5MHz) the result will be sufficiently Gaussian to act as if > it were true noise. In practice, any real hardware filtering won't be > necessary as the soundcard itself will do the job; but there will be some basic > filtering to keep out the nasty birdies likely to be generated. > > Now, here is the bit I'm less sure how to work out. How do I calculate the > noise density of the PN sequence in the area of interest? Assumimg the PRN > Sequence has 1:1 mark/space ratio (with 2^32 bits it will be certainly near > enough) and assuming a perfect square edged waveform up to several 5MHz clocks > away (guaranteed by using HC series logic) the TOTAL power over the (almost) > infinite spectrum from DC to several clock multiples is defined exactly by the > RMS value of the waveform; and for a squarewave this is equal to the peak value > - here 2.5V. > > This TOTAL power is spread out in a SIN(x^2)/x^2 pattern. Since it will be > filtered to, essentially, just a small part of the first spectral lobe, the > calculation really comes down to calculating the height of this lobe which will > can be assumed to be sufficiently flat over the small bandwidth of interest. > Once that is done, the noise power, and hence the RMS value can be defined in > Volts / SQRT(Hz) which can be added to the signal / test tone of interest in > variouis proportions, with the S/N then known exactly. > > I'm quite incapable of integrating SIN(x^2)/x^2 from first principles (or any > other way for that matter :-) to calculate the level of the main lobe. Can > anyone point out the best way to do this calculation ? Instinct says that > for a small bandwidth segment, BW, close to zero frequency, the power will be > proportional to BW / Fclock, but I haven't a clue what scaling factors will > be included in this, and they are what matter for an absolute level calibrator. > > Andy G4JNT > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6753 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 06:32:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 06:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 4902 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 06:32:59 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 06:32:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aa80P-00019r-Ey for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:32:57 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa805-0007mF-QT for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:32:37 +0000 Received: from [165.254.4.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aa804-0007m6-PJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:32:36 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: w2ksn Received: from w2ksn (192.55.122.104) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.2) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:32:37 -0500 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (w2ksn) Message-ID: <00ea01c3cc43$18b11740$687a37c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000401c3cbb5$be1d0d80$6464a8c0@local> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:31:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Rubidium Freq Standard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Markus, I know nothing about FEI but have some experience with other brands. All Rb clocks wear out, because the lamp gas is lost to adsorption or diffusion. Life is usually 5 to 20 years, depending on design. It should be possible to get a service manual, or at least a schematic, from FEI. I assume that you verified that both supply voltages are well within tolerance. From a cold start, measure the current drawn by the 15-18V input. It should be close to 2 A at start, and drop to about 500 mA as it heats up. If the current does not drop as expected, there is something wrong with one of the ovens. If your power supply current limits at less than 2 A, the unit may eventually get running but it may take much longer than 5 minutes. There are at least two oven circuits, because the lamp and the resonance cell operate at different temperatures. Some designs use the same oven for cell and crystal; some use three ovens. Most units have a "lamp monitor" output (proportional to photocurrent). The 5650 does not have this on an external pin, but there is probably a test point inside. If there is no photocurrent, check the lamp temperature and its drive voltage. If they are both ok, the lamp is probably bad. If there is photocurrent but no periodic dips, check the cell temperature and check that RF is present. Also see if the 10 MHz signal is way off frequency, e.g. 10 ppm or more. If these are all ok, the cell could be bad, but that is not a common failure. If there are periodic dips, there is a problem with the lock circuit. If you conclude that your unit has a bad physics package, perhaps you can find one very cheaply with bad electronics, and combine the two to make one good clock. The opposite should be even easier, as there are lots of oscillators with bad lamps :) 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "PY3CRX PY2PLL" To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: LF: Rubidium Freq Standard Hi ... I got a Rubidium Freq Standard, 10MHz, manufactured by Frequency Electronics Inc. Its model is FE-5650A, still being manufactured. Aparently it doesn“t lock after 4 or 5 minutes ... warm-up etc , 10MHz signal is there but unlocked. Does anybody knows something abt this device ? The manufacturer website have some tech docs explaining how it works ... there“s a DDS inside etc but I guess the main rubidium cell is not working (a 6.8GHz FLL). 73 Marcus, PY3CRX/PY2PLL GG66rf http://py.qsl.br Active from "DC" to 24GHz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69377 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 22:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 22:10:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2940 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 22:10:22 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 22:10:16 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUvTc-0006wj-U2 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:09:36 +0000 Received: from [165.254.4.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUvTb-0006wa-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:09:35 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: vaiosn Received: from vaiosn (66.65.127.140) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.2) for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:09:35 -0500 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (vaiosn) Message-ID: <004501c3c0fc$9bc24e80$0401a8c0@vaiosn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c3c0d6$5d0419b0$fce8c593@rsch15> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:09:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020803020808010606020002" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020803020808010606020002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi all,
 
Jim solved the noise generator puzzle!
 
His key observation is:
The complete story has been posted to
 
It's not all easy as pi :)
 
73,
 
Stewart KK7KA
 
> Dear Andy, Stewart et al,
>
> I have written my noise voltage calculation as a word document. There
> are plenty of 'pi's in it, but they all disappear by the time you get to
> the end, which may be good or bad. The word file is about 30kB - I'm not
> sure, but it may require the equation editor feature of word to be
> installed to display properly. I also converted it to a pdf file, which
> by the miracles of data compression came out to be 110kB, but hopefully
> should display OK. Both are too big for the reflector, so I will send
> them out separately to whoever asks.
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Dec 2003 09:47:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Off Topic---ADSL Analysis s/w Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Brian, IMO, there is no general purpose software for this, because there is no standard way that connection status and statistics are communicated to the host. If you have a stand-alone modem, there is usually a program called 'dslmon' or similar that is supplied with the modem or available for download from the manufacturer's site. Modem-routers have an embedded web server and/or a telnet interface that allows you to see connection parameters and statistics. For example, on my Cisco 827, you can give a "show dsl interface atm0" and it will show upload and download speeds, S/N margins, attenuation, bits per frequency, CRC and Reed-Solomon error counts, bytes and packets sent and received, etc. Is the line / service new? If not, is the trouble new, or has it always been unreliable? Do you have a splitter, or a filter per analog device on the line? How long is your local loop? Is your ISP and LEC (local telephone company) the same? If not, is your connection "unbundled" (ISP's DSLAM in LEC's central office)? If not, do you know what interface exists between LEC and ISP? What speeds do you connect at? Does they match the limits appropriate for your contracted service? During non-outage times, are there performance problems? If so, is there packet loss? slow pings? slow upload speed? slow download speed? What kind of modem or router do you have? Is your host connected via USB, Ethernet, or wirelessly? Are you connected to the provider via PPPoE, PPPoA, RFC 1483? If PPP is involved, will the modem, router or host reconnect automatically? If so, how long does it take? Does it have to retry many times? Is there a "DSL sync" or similar indicator? If so, does it go out when you have trouble? Are your outages correlated with traffic? Time of day? How often do they occur? 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rogerson" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: LF: Off Topic---ADSL Analysis s/w > With apologies for being off topic, can anyone point me in the direction > of a software tool that will analyse ADSL performance in the sense of > reliability that goes further than Ping. Probably needs to check protocol > since I keep being left "hung-up". Did a search this morning and > found one by Ipswitch but was rather expensive. > > Brian CT1DRP > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 82246 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 14:57:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 14:57:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21851 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 14:55:30 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 14:55:19 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUogZ-00019A-Bj for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:54:31 +0000 Received: from [165.254.4.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUogX-000191-Km for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:54:29 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: vaiosn Received: from vaiosn (66.65.127.140) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.2) for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:54:29 -0500 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (vaiosn) Message-ID: <002d01c3c0bf$d3616d90$0401a8c0@vaiosn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c3c0a1$86f819e0$fce8c593@rsch15> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:54:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060003050300090507040700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060003050300090507040700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Andy and all,
 
I was unaware of H&H, but my previous post gave the same answer.  It was based
on my naive analysis that white noise was spread evenly from 0 to fs/2,
and that the sin(x)/x effect should not affect low frequencies.
 
When I saw Stewart Bryant's post, it seemed that there really needed to be
a PI in there, so I shut up.  Now I'm not so sure.
 
I used Cool Edit to generate 1 second of white noise at 48 kHz.
Passed it through a script that changed positive values to 8 samples of
+1/2 full scale, and negative values to 8 samples of -1/2.  This is a
rough approximation to a shift register clocked at 6 kHz.
 
A small piece of the wave looks like this.
 
 
The RMS power reported is -6.02 dB, much as one would expect.
 
The frequency analysis plot looks like this:
 
 
Then, I did a low pass filter at 100 Hz.  The RMS power now displays as -20.95 dB.
This agrees fairly well with the naive -6.02+10*log(100/3000) = -20.79 dB,
and appears to support the "no pi" theory.
 
Unfortunately, I can't explain where the pi went :(
 
73,
 
Stewart KK7KA
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz" <J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:17 AM
Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator

> Dear Andy, LF Group
>
> I hate to throw a spanner in the works, but... A noise source of exactly
> this type is discussed in Horowitz & Hill "The Art of Electronics" 2nd
> ed., section 9.34. This gives the formula (in the form Andy has used)
> Vrms^2 = Vpk^2 * 2 * BW /Fclock, (giving 224mV rms) which is different
> by a factor of sqrt(pi) from the value Andy gets. I spent some time last
> night trying to figure out which one is correct, and came out with a
> reasonably convincing case for Horowitz & Hill's formula - if anyone is
> interested, I will put it into an e-mail compatible form
>
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi David and all, Just realized that I failed to mention that you also need some gain, because the desired signal is only a tiny fraction of the energy in your .wav files. You can specify gain in the passband of the filters, and/or use the Transform->Amplitude->Amplify command as desired. 73, Stewart KK7KA > Does anyone know of a programme that can produce an audio bandpass filter > from a soundcard? > > I'm trying to find something that will allow me to specify a frequency of > interest and to have the DSP remove signals above and below two cut-off > frequencies. > > Reason: twofold, 1) I've recently recorded some EME signals from 70cms as > .wav files and I'm trying to recover reasonable audio. > 2) It occurs to me that the LF QRSS beacons regularly visible from VO/RU/ > etc. are actually very strong and it should be possible to filter and speed up a > stored QRSS file to something like normal CW........just for fun > > Would the new 'filter' incorporated into V2.3 spectrum Lab do this? > > Seasons greetings es 73 > > David G0MRF > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64736 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 04:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 04:17:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 24038 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2003 04:17:32 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 04:17:22 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUejV-0007rl-6q for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:16:53 +0000 Received: from [165.254.4.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AUejT-0007rc-WB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 04:16:52 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: vaiosn Received: from vaiosn (66.65.127.140) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.2) for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:16:51 -0500 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (vaiosn) Message-ID: <005501c3c066$c0ac4b60$0401a8c0@vaiosn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <28.41604b50.2d0a7870@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:16:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Soundcard bandpass filter? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi David and all, Since you already have .wav files, you just need to process the data and play it. Any good audio editor can do that for you. My favorite is Cool Edit. Unfortunately, it was discontinued when Adobe bought Syntrillium. However, you can download a free tryout of Audition, the successor to Cool Edit Pro. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=92&platform=Windows I have never used the Pro version, so the method below may need to be modified. The EME signal is easy. Open it, select the desired time range, and use Analyze->Frequency Analysis to display an FFT. Press Scan to average over the period of interest. You should see a clear spectral peak at the CW carrier. Then, do Transform-> Filters->FFT Filter, select Passive, and draw the desired frequency response. Hit Play and listen. If you don't like the results, you can undo any number of commands and try again. Say you have a QRSS30 signal at 800 Hz. Open it and use Edit->Convert Sample Type to convert to a low rate, perhaps 2 kHz. Use the FFT tools to find the precise carrier. Filter it with a bandpass about 5 Hz wide. Use Generate->Tones with the Modulate option to mix with a sine wave 5 Hz below the carrier. This will give a difference signal at 5 Hz. Convert Sample Type to 320 Hz, which will remove the sum component. Now use Edit->Adjust Sample Rate to 48 kHz. The result will be CW at 750 Hz and 6 WPM. The original QRSS need not be strong. The above process is averaging for your ears, just as ARGO does for your eyes. Good luck, Stewart KK7KA > Does anyone know of a programme that can produce an audio bandpass filter > from a soundcard? > > I'm trying to find something that will allow me to specify a frequency of > interest and to have the DSP remove signals above and below two cut-off > frequencies. > > Reason: twofold, 1) I've recently recorded some EME signals from 70cms as > .wav files and I'm trying to recover reasonable audio. > 2) It occurs to me that the LF QRSS beacons regularly visible from VO/RU/ > etc. are actually very strong and it should be possible to filter and speed up a > stored QRSS file to something like normal CW........just for fun > > Would the new 'filter' incorporated into V2.3 spectrum Lab do this? > > Seasons greetings es 73 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27711 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 16:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 16:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 28491 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 16:22:36 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 16:22:29 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AU75q-0007ZP-GA for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:21:42 +0000 Received: from [165.254.4.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AU75p-0007ZG-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:21:41 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: vaiosn Received: from vaiosn (66.65.127.140) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.2) for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:21:42 -0500 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (vaiosn) Message-ID: <001501c3bf39$aedd0fb0$0401a8c0@vaiosn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C3BF2E.2774C230.g4jnt@thersgb.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:21:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Andy, IMO, you are being too much of a perfectionist to worry about sin(x)/x. I believe that x must be pi * fsig / fsample, because the spectrum goes to zero at multiples of fsample. So at 20 kHz the spectral density is 20*log(sin(pi*20/5000)/(pi*20/5000)). This is about 0.00023 dB down from the level near DC. The remaining question is what's the scale factor. I believe that you can ignore the high frequency behavior, and pretend that the power is spread over half the sample frequency. If your shift register puts out +/- 1V square wave into 1 ohm (total RMS is one watt), then the low frequency power density is 10*log(1/2.5E6) = -64 dBW/Hz. My math is really weak, so I verified this by simulating a random square wave, and looking at the spectrum with Cool Edit. 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy talbot" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:59 AM Subject: RE: LF: Related Technical Query - Soundcard calibrator > Yes, the power spectrum of a SIN(X) / X pattern. > > To Brian 'GVB, the limits will be (theoretically at least) - infinity to > infinity, but in practice a few lobes will be sufficient, say about +/- 5 > > Andy From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78119 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:00:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:00:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 2864 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 21:00:27 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 21:00:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Aai1R-0000dT-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:00:25 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Aai0Z-0004JY-7r for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:59:31 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.144] (helo=mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aai0X-0004J9-A5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:59:29 +0000 Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031228205808.XASY9030.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:58:08 +1300 X-Fake-Domain: quaycustomer Received: from quaycustomer ([219.89.180.146]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031228205852.WVBQ12184.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:58:52 +1300 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (quaycustomer) Message-ID: <003101c3cd87$401b0ee0$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004301c3cc09$2cc84440$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:06:49 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH 3rd night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, The third and last night of 120 second dot beacon transmission went well from our point of view, no down time and timing was maintained within 3 seconds of "on the hour" for the start of a "Q". Thanks to all listeners. We have captures emailed to us that need analysing. The next LF beacon test from Quartz Hill is booked for 20th March (equinox). 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84403 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 62520 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 21:50:52 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 21:50:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaMKg-000G2g-Ii for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:50:50 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMKS-0005Kj-RQ for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:50:36 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.58] (helo=standby2.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMKR-0005Jk-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:50:35 +0000 Received: from web2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by standby2.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031227215002.IHVA3427.standby2.xtra.co.nz@web2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:50:02 +1300 X-Fake-Domain: quaycustomer Received: from quaycustomer ([219.89.180.146]) by web2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031227215002.UWXU9867.web2-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:50:02 +1300 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (quaycustomer) Message-ID: <009301c3ccc5$3a153d80$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.0.1.1.2.20031227144750.035a8d70@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:03:09 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: "T" versus "L"aerial Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dick PA0SE,
 
Fine on the test result.  As you stated, the tested T has twice the amount of top loading wire (2x 20 metres) than the L (1x 20 metres).
 
It would be interesting to know if a T is better than an L for constant length top loading i.e. what the difference is if the upwire joins at the end or the middle of the horizontal top wire (theory suggests the T is better as there is minimal horizontally polarised component).
 
73, Bob ZL2CA 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 3:09 AM
Subject: LF: "T" versus "L"aerial

To All from PA0SE

Further to my e-mail of 26 December I measured the field strength as radiated by the aerial in
Inverted L-configuration. From this I found EMRP = 57 milliwatt.

This confirms the benificial effect of top loading. The T-aerial radiated 140 milliwatt.

So going from a single 20m top load wire for the "L" to 2 x 20m for the "T" resulted in an improvement by a factor 2.46 (3.9dB) in radiated power.

The vertical part of the "T" consisted of an open wire feedline of 11m with the two wires connected in parallel in the attic shack. For the "L" one of the feedline wires was removed. I assume this did not appreciably affect the EMRP.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83137 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 20:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:50:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27733 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 20:50:02 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 20:50:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaLNo-000769-HS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:50:00 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaLNK-0004DE-Ig for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:49:30 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.145] (helo=mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaLNJ-0004D1-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:49:29 +0000 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031227204752.XZLG7019.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:47:52 +1300 X-Fake-Domain: bob2l2u6k2n1g3 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([219.89.180.146]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031227204851.DBZJ22869.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Sun,: 48:51 +1300 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (bob2l2u6k2n1g3) Message-ID: <001101c3ccba$dbde05d0$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:48:43 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH 2nd night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, ZL6QH did not miss a beat with beacon transmission. A storm passed by overnight and our SWR rose moderately during heavy rain, but we doubt if it had much impact on radiation. We had no luck with the attempted QSO with VK7. Thanks for DX reports (made direct or via the reflector). 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 42367 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 21:09:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 21:09:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 16907 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 21:09:14 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 21:09:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZzCr-0004Hw-1E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:09:13 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZzCG-0007dc-2v for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:08:36 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZzCE-0007dJ-6G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:08:34 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031226210701.OUCG4468.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:07:01 +1300 X-Fake-Domain: quaycustomer Received: from quaycustomer ([219.89.180.146]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031226210754.HYS9271.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:07:54 +1300 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (quaycustomer) Message-ID: <002201c3cbf6$2c3574c0$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:20:47 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH operating report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, The overnight beacon from ZL6QH went without missing a beat. We used the DDS exciter with a shift of 0.42 Hz. Coding for Q was maintained within 2 seconds of starting "on the hour". Thanks to Laurence KL1X for reports from Alaska. Note we are turning down the QRSS beacon from 1500 to 1530 UTC Saturday so we can try for an LF SSB contact with AX2TAR in Tasmania (VK7). 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66393 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 00:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 00:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 78684 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 00:21:07 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 00:21:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYwlt-000KLM-Bx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:21:05 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYwlI-000629-Jn for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:20:28 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYwlG-0005zB-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:20:26 +0000 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031224001913.LLTD12454.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:19:13 +1300 X-Fake-Domain: quaycustomer Received: from quaycustomer ([219.89.180.146]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031224001912.OGUX22869.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:19:12 +1300 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (quaycustomer) Message-ID: <002501c3c9b5$62228980$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:17:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH on 26, 27 and 28 December Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, ZL6QH will carry out LF beacon transmission during ZL hours of darkness on Friday 27, Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 December. The same format as previous beacon tests will be used, with 120 second dot length, 0.42 Hz FSK, with transmission code repeated QQQQQ.... with each Q coded as [hi hi lo hi off] : hi = 137.7890 kHz lo = 137.7886 kHz Timing will be such that the start of a Q coincides with the hour. It takes 10 minutes per Q, so there are six Qs per hour. The DDS exciter has a frequency shift of 0.42 Hz, and the tones should be within 0.1 Hz of the declared frequencies. If the SSB backup exciter needs to be called upon, the frequency shift would be 0.4 Hz. The ZL hours of darkness in late December are nominally 0750 UTC (sunset) till 1655 UTC (sunrise). The beacon will be transmitting from before sunset till after sunrise, and close down during daytime. The only planned exception from continuous beacon format overnight is for a 30 minute time slot to try for a two-way LF SSB QSO with AX2TAR in VK7, between 1500 and 1530 UTC on Saturday. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13817 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:44:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 11479 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 22:44:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 22:44:10 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AW1R7-0002VK-RD for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:43:33 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AW1R6-0002RG-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:43:32 +0000 Received: from web2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031215195728.TKSM7964.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@web2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:57:28 +1300 X-Fake-Domain: quaycustomer Received: from quaycustomer ([219.89.180.146]) by web2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031215195728.CKIQ9867.web2-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:57:28 +1300 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (quaycustomer) Message-ID: <00f601c3c347$74e0f4e0$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c3c33b$32d4a7b0$fce8c593@rsch15> <007101c3c343$e0814820$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:10:14 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Typo in beacon notice. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, The final paragraph in the beacon notice had a mixup with sunset and sunrise. The final paragraph should have read: The ZL hours of darkness in late December are nominally 0750 UTC (sunset) till 1655 UTC (sunrise). The beacon will be transmitting from before sunset till after sunrise, and close down during daytime (summer holidays downunder ...). 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13822 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 19:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.219) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 19:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 10079 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2003 19:32:54 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 19:32:42 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVySD-0008OD-AE for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:32:29 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVySC-0008MX-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:32:28 +0000 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20031215193151.BQRL12454.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:31:51 +1300 X-Fake-Domain: quaycustomer Received: from quaycustomer ([219.89.180.146]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20031215193150.BLJV22869.web1-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:31:50 +1300 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (quaycustomer) Message-ID: <007101c3c343$e0814820$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c3c33b$32d4a7b0$fce8c593@rsch15> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:44:32 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH beacon 26, 27 & 28 December Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, ZL6QH will carry out LF beacon transmission during ZL hours of darkness on Friday 27, Saturday 28 and Sunday 29 December. The same format as previous beacon tests will be used, with 120 second dot length, 0.42 Hz FSK, with transmission code repeated QQQQQ.... with each Q coded as [hi hi lo hi off] : hi = 137.7890 kHz lo = 137.7886 kHz Timing will be such that the start of a Q coincides with the hour. It takes 10 minutes per Q, so there are six Qs per hour. The DDS exciter has a frequency shift of 0.42 Hz, and the tones should be within 0.1 Hz of the declared frequencies. If the SSB backup exciter needs to be called upon, the frequency shift would be 0.4 Hz. The ZL hours of darkness in late December are nominally 0750 UTC (sunset) till 1655 UTC (sunrise). The beacon will be transmitting from before sunrise till after sunset each night, and close down during daytime (summer holidays downunder ...). 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24153 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 22:05:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 22:05:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 97198 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 22:05:18 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 22:05:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaMYe-000PAx-Td for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:05:16 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMYT-0005eh-1A for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:05:05 +0000 Received: from [195.224.180.233] (helo=olympus.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaMYS-0005eY-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:05:04 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: k7t Received: from k7t (24.25.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.net [194.153.25.24]) by olympus.pncl.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBRM4x2I017078 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:04:59 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (k7t) Message-ID: <000801c3ccc5$9f631400$181999c2@k7t> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f1.163ec2c5.2d1f01c1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:05:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.183, required 4.5,HTML_50_60 0.18, HTML_MESSAGE 1.00) X-MailScanner-SpamScore: s Subject: LF: Re: 60kHz: JJY and WWWB visible behind MSF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus,
 
Congratulations on a very nice piece of observation. Since these three stations are on the same time reference (UTC) within a few nS and the baselines between MSF/JJY and MSF/WWVB intersect at nearly 90 degs they could make quite a good over-the-pole navigation aid to replace Omega. The skywave delays could be computed out (as they were for Omega).
 
Walter G3JKV.
 
 
 
 
 

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 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 89328 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 14:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 14:22:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 30154 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 14:22:59 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 14:22:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AaFLG-0007jg-6O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:22:58 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AaFL0-0006bU-PO for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:22:42 +0000 Received: from [195.224.180.233] (helo=olympus.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AaFL0-0006bL-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:22:42 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: k7t Received: from k7t (65.25.153.194.dial.cix.gxn.net [194.153.25.65]) by olympus.pncl.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBREMd2I009144 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:22:40 GMT X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (k7t) Message-ID: <001a01c3cc85$05e02c40$411999c2@k7t> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:23:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 4.5) Subject: LF: MW Prop. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Not sure if it has any relevance to LF but condx on MW from N America are very good at the moment. Some low-power b/c (500W) not normally heard here have been audible for hours. On Spectran counted 23 carriers on 1470 kHz alone this a.m. some not fading out until gone 1100Z. 80m also providing 5/9 at night from all over US and beyond. Walter G3JKV. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.555 / Virus Database: 347 - Release Date: 23/12/03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11579 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:39:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:39:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 24948 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:39:42 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:39:36 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AVSiF-0007lJ-Bm for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:38:55 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AVSiE-0007lA-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:38:54 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: PCVONWALTER Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-089.fen-net.de [212.204.116.89]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBE9atcH008408 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:37:00 +0100 (MET) X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (PCVONWALTER) Message-ID: <000a01c3c226$b92ebe60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:43:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PA0SE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hallo Dick, vy strong sign hr nr Erlangen. Hpe u got report from the other side of the pond.
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5136 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 17:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 17:28:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 43067 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 17:28:58 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 17:28:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AZvlf-000Asq-Na for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:28:55 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AZvlX-0004hk-VW for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:28:47 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.7] (helo=imo-m04.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AZvlX-0004ha-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:28:47 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: WarmSpgs@aol.com Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.bd.3abe0ecb (3972) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:28:10 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:28:10 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: QH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 In a message dated 12/26/03 11:52:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com writes: > Anchorage -5F (who needs cryo preamp cooling?) Congratulations on the reception of ZL6QH! As for the cryo cooling, you do have us beat down here south of Atlanta--but not by nearly as much as I would prefer. The Weather Channel called for high temperatures in the 50F range today, so I was preparing to abandon radio or Web pursuits, and exercise the Triumphs instead. But as of noon, we still haven't gotten above freezing in the Sunny South! "Hotlanta" my--er, word. John D From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77524 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 20:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 20:29:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 86757 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 20:29:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 20:29:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1AYACR-000MSZ-TM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:29:15 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AYABa-0002oO-W6 for rs_out@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:28:22 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.102] (helo=imo-r06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AYABa-0002nl-9s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:28:22 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: WarmSpgs@aol.com Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id l.145.1f176316 (25305) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <145.1f176316.2d175c44@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:27:48 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: XDW tripping in the snow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 1 In a message dated 12/21/03 7:22:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com writes: > We are due to return to Anchorage by midnite 24th Hmm. Someone with a keen interest in transpolar matters, planning a return to a cold, snowy place by midnight on the 24th. Wouldn't be to pick up a sack of toys and a sleigh, by any chance? John D. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68742 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 02:51:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 02:51:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 25795 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 02:51:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 02:51:26 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ASSVe-0008UQ-IT for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:49:30 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.8] (helo=imo-m05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ASSVd-0008UH-TA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:49:30 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: WarmSpgs@aol.com Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.172.230cf416 (18555) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <172.230cf416.2d029d91@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:48:49 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Test of bogus sender. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 In a message dated 12/5/03 8:54:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, LWCANews@aol.com (an address which is not subscribed) writes: > If this message does _not_ get through... (etc) Oh dear. John D. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79334 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 16105 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:58:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:58:16 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AS5C8-0003hj-Gm for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:55:48 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.99] (helo=imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AS5C7-0003hU-Re for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:55:47 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: WarmSpgs@aol.com Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.111.2bb3c94c (4254) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <111.2bb3c94c.2d013f7e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:55:10 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 In a message dated 12/4/03 5:31:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes: > remember that anyone can write > > "Re:LF: " > > at the start of the subject to make it SEEM as if it came thro' the > reflector. Yes, they certainly can. The text-only e-mail client I use with this account, though, allows for viewing the complete header. The PayPal messages were from blacksheep via thorcom.com--genuine spam through the reflector, alas. John (Watson?) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 46691 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 18:23:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.221) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 18:23:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 16221 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2003 18:23:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 18:21:33 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARy0j-0005Rk-9F for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:15:33 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.162] (helo=imo-m07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARy0i-0005RW-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:15:32 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: WarmSpgs@aol.com Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.17d.24167aca (4418) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:14:57 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.24167aca.2d00d3a1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:14:57 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Spam etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 In a message dated 12/4/03 5:20:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, stewart.bryant@virgin.net writes: > It is not coming in > through the LF reflector Actually, some of it _is_ coming in through the reflector; the false PayPal messages and the Nigerian bank transfer scams being recent instances. Seldom does a week go by without one or two advertising messages getting through this reflector. It is far less than the general spam level most of us receive, but it is a contributing factor. > although it is possible that a > spammer joined and harvested the addresses. Possible, though it is equally likely some of the members hit by one of the previous viruses or trojans had their e-mail address books pilfered by spammers. > Try something like mailwasher. All good and well, but as I said yesterday (a) it's not 100% effective, and (b) one utterly miniscule change to the list rules would virtually eliminate any spam coming through the reflector and thereby reduce the total volume of junkmail. John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3558 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:00:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail00.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.218) by ptb-mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:00:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 21364 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 18:00:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.20) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 18:00:04 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ARbHR-0001xq-Sq for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:59:17 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.5] (helo=imo-m02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ARbHQ-0001x7-VV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:59:17 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: WarmSpgs@aol.com Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1c6.12acb2f1 (4418) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.12acb2f1.2cff7e52@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:58:42 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Spam, viruses, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 In a message dated 12/3/03 6:27:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsergeant@btinternet.com writes: > Thanks to blacksheep using > SpamAssasin I guess it does reduce the spam on this list enormously > from what it could be, and in fact it is a very small percentage of > the spam received here. > > However it is worth saying that of the various email reflectors I > subscribe to without exception they either operate a 'members only > may post' policy or one of moderating members on their first posting. > Everybody accepts this policy without complaints. This list seems to > be the only one which is totally open. This is the essence of the matter. Between the existing Spam Assassin filter and a members-only posting policy--an utterly SIMPLE matter to implement in most cases, even simpler than setting up a spam filter--we wouldn't be having these discussions about spam at all! Those of us complaining about spam *do* know about the various filters out there, and most of us use them on e-mail accounts where we can do. But please bear in mind two points: there are NONE which are 100% effective, and some of us have to keep various e-mail accounts sufficiently open that we don't risk losing legitimate mail which may have a few spam-like traits. The "final filter" is always the eye-brain-hand system, and it can become error prone after dealing with one or two hundred junk mails a day. When you're in that boat, believe me, any reduction in spam would be welcome, especially when it is SO EASY to do. Is there anyone on the list for whom it would be a serious inconvenience to have a little less spam to intercept???? John