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Tnx David

  Heinz



<G0MRF@aol.com> schrieb:
> In a message dated 9/26/03 6:12:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, 
> Heinz.Borde@t-online.de writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi all
> > Who can tell me a source for 3C85 ring cores?
> > 
> > 
> >    Heinz, DM2BHG
> > 
> > 
> 
> 3C85 is now obsolete.
> 
> Replacement is the 3C90
> 
> I have those in 42mm only. The larger 58mm ones are ideal for about 1kW
> 
> <A HREF="www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk\kits.htm">www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk\kits.htm</A>
> 
> However, when I order them they are sent from Germany, so you should be able 
> to find some close to home.
> 
> 73
> 
> David  G0MRF
> 




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Vielen Dank für die Info. Wenn noch Fragen auftauchen, werde ich mich melden


   73 Heinz


"Hans-Albrecht Haffa" <haffaha@web.de> schrieb:
> <body style='fo
> 
> Lieber Heinz, 
> 
> die Hersteller des Materials 3C85 sind Valvo, Philips und derzeit wieder Ferroxcube.  Für Langwelle empfehle ich aber sich das Datenblatt aus dem Internet zu holen und ein Amidon-Material gleicher Permeabilität zu wählen. Oder bei Oppermann Elektronik  einen preiswerten Ringkern auszuwählen. Mehr über Ferritmaterialien und Kernformen auf Anfrage.
> 
> (More about ferrit materials and cores upon request...)
> 
> 55, Hans-Albrecht 
> 
> DK 8 ND
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 26.09.03 19:33:34:
> > 
> > Hi all
> > Who can tell me a source for 3C85 ring cores?
> > 
> > 
> > Heinz, DM2BHG
> > 
> 
> 




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Hi all
I mayght anounce my first QSO on 136kHz with DL2HRE.
Last days I heared SM6KHZ and today ON6ND, but my calls went out without replay. Perhaps my 10 W are not enough.
My rig: RX:IC746 with VV, TX: home made 10 W out, Ant: abt 10 m vertical wire with top load of 2x15m.
Lookong foreward to the LW-Activity-Day of district Wuertemberg these weekend

   73 Heinz, DM2BHG



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Hi all
Who can tell me a source for 3C85 ring cores?


     Heinz, DM2BHG



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Hi all, an apology to anyone who downloaded the graphs from my propagation
report today. ( There are some because the counter clicks up every day !!) I
seem to have made an error and not uploaded the new graphs this morning. I
have put the correct plots up now. I suppose I ought to get this on a
"script" so that I can be sure I go though all the stages......but you cant
take all the fun away !! (or avoid all the typing errors I make in it !!)

If anyone has problems accessing my site with my quoted "virtual" URL, then
I suggest that you try the "proper" URL
www.btinternet.co.uk/~alan.melia/latest.htm for the Propagation report
 I am finding at some peak times the Virtual URL name server seems to be
getting congested (as now 1820z) This has only seems to have happened since
the big increases in ADSL access this year. Thanks to Dave G3YXM for
pointing out the cause to me.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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Hi Hugh, just a thought, but old fashioned telephone engineers used to use
coils for loading lines (the ubiquitous 88mH comes from this era) For
outside use they were often sealed in an iron pot filled with wax (or pitch)
to keep the water out. I seem to remember comments about putting "pots" in
the line, but this is really before my time and probably dates back to a
long time before ferrite was available.  I was not on that side anyway.
Maybe a real telephone engineer might have some thoughts. Generally the
so-called "pot" cores totally enclose the bobbin (like a "pot"??), though
this is not quite the case with the RM design cores which are "X" shaped.

My 1972 Mullard Passive Components catalogue shows series of pictures that
distinguish RM cores, from Pot cores, which totally enclose the bobbin. I
suspect the "X" cores allow the bobbin to be wound and the coil ends
terminated on the pins before the enclosing ferrite was installed. This
probably made for a better production flow. The pot core is a bit more
fiddly to deal with as it the bobbin must be installed with flying leads
which then need to be soldered to the carrier pins.

 Of course the Navy might have a different explanation, but then they used
to define their capacitance in "jars" and measure it in centimetres !!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugh M0WYE" <m0wye@thersgb.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 22 September 2003 16:30
Subject: LF: Pot cores


> Hi Group
> While pondering a filter design and playing with a pot core type
inductor...
> RM6 / RM10 etc.
> I wondered: "Why is it called a pot core - it doesn't look much like a pot
> ?"
> Anyone know how the pot-core got it's name ?
> Silly, I know, but one does like to know these things ...
> 73
> Hugh M0WYE
>
>
>




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Hi Stewart, you are forgetting that at The Martlesham Microwave Round Table
we ( Dave , Derek, Andy, Lech, yourself and myself ) declared 136khz an
"honorory microwave band" 'cos it's where interesting people gather and
interesting things are done !! There are quite a few familiar "pates" and
grey hairs in the pics !!
I did not realise that there was so much THz equipment around.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> I know that this has nothing to do with LF, but a number
> of the LFers were at the CARC microwave round table,
> and I suspect that there may be a wider interest amongst
> this group in the optical communications systems
> demonstrated at the event.
>
> I have placed some photos of the event on my web server.
>
> http://g3ysx.homeip.net/uwrt/Thumbnails.html
>
> 73
>
> Stewart G3YSX
>
>
>
>
>




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Hi John, Joe VO1NA was copied here strongly from first keydown last night.
It was rather noisy here particularly at the time I would expect Laurence to
appear. It was so noisy it wiped out my local Loran lines, so nothing copied
again from AK.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK    JO02PB
alan.melia@btinternet.com

----- Original Message -----
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> Am seeing VO1NA on 137.77693 and MP on 137.77961 tonight at 0120 UTC.
>
> John Andrews
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Hi All, it seems that not all the X-ray flares that affect propagation
originate from the sun. See
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/12sep_magnetars.htm?list492317
for an explantaion of intense X-ray bursts from far out in space that are
enough to give anamolous proagation and blackouts. It looks like the VLF
boys at Stanford are onto it.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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Hi Hugh, thanks for that I don't have that book but that is what I have
"believed" to be a Beverage. However being cantankerous ( as a G3 I am
entitled to that condition ;-))  ) It occured to me that like your book a
lot of these text-books are simply repeating the content of older tomes, and
possibly perpetuating some myths. It does not say why the aerial has to be
longer than a wavelength....is it just the case that it needs that length to
really show the effects? I can see this in directionality as longer aerials
have narrower main lobes. But I would have thought that a travelling wave
aerial should work (to some extent) whatever its length since it is
aperiodic, may be the longer it is the bigger the "aperture" hence the
bigger the signal-voltage at the terminals.  In fact a lot of us pick up
very big signals with aerials at 10m which are less than 100m long. I really
wonder whether anyone has done proper measurements....it is obviously
difficult. I must try and contact a ex-BT wireless man who was involved in
long-distance short-waves before the war.

Terman (1943) for instance refers to it as being between half and several
wavelengths long. He also quotes a height of 10 or 20 feet. I guess to show
directionality it would need to produce a much great voltage from the
travelling wave effect than from its low effective height as a top loaded
vertical (which would be almost omni-directional) Terman does quote a couple
of references from 1923/4 and these might be worth me ferreting out.

Another though is that since the aerial is so critically dependent upon the
slowing of the phase-front, the use of insulated wire may well nullify the
effect, by causing the velocity in the wire to be much less than that of the
wavefront.

Now, anybody got a spare 20 miles or so of old telephone pole-line in the
middle of a desert??

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com


----- Original Message -----
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> Alan, et Group,
> The Services Textbook of Radio (1958) Volume 5, (page 336) says that "a
> Beverage, or wave aerial, is a straight wire several wavelengths long,
> usually carried by insulators on telephone poles at about 30 feet above
the
> ground..."
> Further on it says "Such aerials should be at least one wavelength long,
so
> that for the very low frequencies involved, several miles of line are
> required. They are therefore only suitable when a large area of poor




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Hi Mike, that is an interesting philosophical / technical point....what is
the length of a Beverage ?? they obviously work better if they are longer,
and the aerial has more "coupling" to the wave front....maybe more time to
integrate the energy in the wavefront.....but does that make a short (less
than a wavelength) travelling-wave aerial not a Beverage?? I tried to relate
these type of aerials to the terminated directional coupler loops used in
coax and waveguide....but the "direction" seemed to be the wrong way
round.....I never quite understood why.

This leads on to the oft quoted ground aerials....where an insulated wire is
laid along the ground or buried in a shallow trench. Reading the history and
comments by Beverage would suggest that the reason for using this
configuration was the "low-pass" effect it produced. In the days when
selectivity was relatively poor, and there was a lot of noise at higher
frequencies, the ground aerial did not respond to the higher frequencies.
Then being generally laid on poor ground that VLF signals could easily
penetrate, even a zero altitude aerial had some "effective height". This
suggests that the aerial would be "relatively poor" at 136kHz, though I
certainly pick up a substantial signal on my counterpoise wire when I use it
as an aerial. It is obviously a lot cheaper to lay a wire on the ground that
support it for several kilometres on poles. No doubt this was an important
factor in the early competitive period of radio.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com

----- Original Message -----
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> On 10 Sep 2003 at 21:11, Alan Melia wrote:
>
> > Finbar has also had reasonable success
> > with a form of Beverage (no, not Jameson's) 900 feet long run about 5
foot
> > in the air down the beach. It only worked in some directions, which is
odd
> > because a Beverage is not supposed to work at all over good ground (like
> > sea-water).
>
> Ah, but at less than one-sixth of a -wavelength long it wasn't really a
Beverage, was it?
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
>




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Hi Lawrence you may be being a bit conservative about the dark zone. I am
seeing the first traces from CFH at 2044z!!  Now according to Geoclock the
shadow is only at mid-Atlantic !! so is that "single hop" or what ?? It is
very weak but just showing on the ARGO "Band view" screen through the noise.

(using a 1.2m diam 16t indoor loop, 18dB preamp and AOR 7030 with its preamp
on)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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Hi Tracy, the only problem I could see is that they are directional and
untuned. I suppose this could be remedied. After all Finbar has tuned a K9AY
loop to good effect, retaining its directional properties and allowing
control from the operating position. Mind you anyone who can get a 350 foot
aerial in a British back garden could probably emulate Mal's system. I think
Laurie G3AQC uses a variant of the EWE to null out Lessay Loran signals on
receive. Of course if you are tuning you dont have to bother about the
impedance, also if it is untuned I would guess it would vary a lot depending
on the ground/ vegetation underneath. Finbar has also had reasonable success
with a form of Beverage (no, not Jameson's) 900 feet long run about 5 foot
in the air down the beach. It only worked in some directions, which is odd
because a Beverage is not supposed to work at all over good ground (like
sea-water).

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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Hi Steve, yes things are improving a little now, CFH was a good signal here
last night but was a bit "peaky" with some sharp fades. Good levels were not
present for as long as on your DCF39 plot. Thanks for the gen.

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Hi Marek , welcome to the LF reflector...we are glad to listen for you and
understand the difficulties you are going through. I am sure you will soon
overcome them. Please advise us when you are ready to test again. The group
are always keen to work new countries on LF.

You will find that the higher voltage will be a big advantage with the FET
PA. Also ground losses can be very confusing on this band....sometimes it is
better to put more (capacity) loading wire in the air than to bury copper in
the ground. For comparison Joe VO1NA has crossed the Atlantic with 150watts
to a 20m high "T" aerial.....ok that is a water path, but he was a good
signal under the right conditions.

Best wishes de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com
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> Dear all,
>
> First of all thank you for all the reports. It seems that the
> only place we were heard was at SM6PXJ. Christer has put some
> pictures of our signal on his webpage (
> http://www.xpress.se/~adsl1522/capture/sp5zcc/index.html




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Hi Laurence, I dont know whether it is a good omen for tonight. But I can
see CFH on the vertical wideband display of ARGO as at 2110z. This is much
earlier than it has appeared before this month and there is quite a lot of
static and local qrm. I have just checked and that is received on the indoor
loop, it is not visible on the inverted L yet!! So have faith in your loop
!!

Conditions are still quiet, with the Kp at a maximum of 3 over the last 48
hours. There was an X-ray flare at about 1400z ish but it was only at
Class-C5.0 so should not produce any significant long-term radio effects.

Good Luck to anyone trying the path.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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Hi Ko, yes I saw those before I narrowed the bandwidth to look for the
Polish stations. I thought it was a tune-up at first and then when I
realised it was QRSS (it is not a good idea to transmit randon long-dot QRSS
outside the normal area....not because of qrm troubles, but just that you
wont be recognised ) when I put ARGO on I copied " ....M 6 B..." but at, I
think it was,  60 sec dots I could not wait longer.....From the strength I
assumed it was SM6BHZ....maybe calling the Poles??

I dont think CFH would have been coming through at that time, though it was
a good signal later in the night (appearing at about 2300z here...see signal
strength plot on my propagtion report)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK    JO02PB
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Hi all. Similar results to Mike here. I saw a constant carrier from 2053 to
2120z a few Hz off the nominal declared frequency, but no signs of any
signals even at 60sec slow dot mode. Conditions were good last night so it
was not a propagation wipe-out.

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Hi Dave ...What "Season" ?? Joe has been crossing the pond during the
summer.

I will be a Donnington on the Friday again (so I can buy all the LF bargains
!!) So you in the Bar at 1200BST ??

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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> In a message dated 9/6/03 4:32:28 PM GMT Daylight Time,
> hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > Costa Rica - Im here
> >
> >
> > KL1X/T13 from Turrialba EJ89DV (new maidenhead) is QRV RX 137Khz  as
from
> > 1600Z Sat 6th Sept
> >
> >
> >
>
> As it's only a few days away from the 3rd anniversary of the first LF
> 'transatlantic crossing'  ( 10th September 2000) it may be worth arranging
some
> tests.
> LF season is here again!
>
> BTW  Anyone off to the Leicester show in two weeks time?
>
> 73
>
> David
>




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Hi all, I also have a "Grabber" which can be run if there is any interest.
There has been so little activity that I have not bothered to start it up
recently. It can be available for testing if I am contacted. I had little
feedback when I did run it so I assumed that it wasn't of interest. Update
is slower on mine as I am still using dial-up (cos I'm a meany)
My locator is JO02PB.
The URL is
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/periodic.htm
I have noticed that this "virtual URL" name server can be congested at peak
times ( thanks for the idea from Dave G3YMC ) In which case the "straight"
URL gets through first time.
http://www,btinternet.co.uk/~alan.melia/periodic.htm

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com




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Hi all, Ah well a follow up the Ropex. It was bought by G8NLY ( Station
believed in the Guildford area from an old call book) for just £48. So maybe
we will have a new station appearing before long ??

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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Hello group,

  I notice that the activity in this group is a bit low, so I concocted 
a new way
to stir it up a little :-)  even if a bit off-topic with LF.

If you have (or are willing to build) hardware capable of generating I and Q
quadrature components in the range -24..+24 kHz, e.g. the R2 receiver 
published
by QST a few years ago, or the project of Gerald Youngblood appeared on QEX
last year, or anything similar,  may be you could be interested to beta 
test a new
program whose first beta I have just finished to write, SDRadio.

SDRadio is, as the name implies, a Software Defined Radio, or an attempt 
to it...
It is meant for demodulating AM or SSB signals fed in quadrature to the 
sound card.
If I have captured enough your attention, you can get it from here : 
http://www.sdradio.org

Discussions about SDRadio are not appropriate for this group, so please use
the group mentioned in that Web page, or just send me directly your 
thoughts.

Thanks

73  Alberto  I2PHD






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I was on the verge of cancelling this EMail account because of the amount of 
spam.  But on BBC Breakfast this morning they mentioned the MailWasher 
software.

Look at WWW.MAILWASHER.NET

This lets you go into your mail server and intercept mail before it is 
downloaded - and send back unwanted stuff as if it had never, and couldn't be, 
delivered.  Saves a lot of time downloading dubious graphical web pages only to 
be immediately deleted.

This is probably teaching most readers of this reflector to suck eggs, but I'd 
never heard of it before.....!

Andy  G4JNT




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At the moment that is basically all that I'm using.  An analogue vectorscope 
made by multiplying two quadrature  1kHz waveforms by the output fom the Rx 
after passing though a 1kHz bandpass filter.  The outputs from each multiplier 
are then passed through a pair of identical 10Hz low pass filters. Everything 
up to this point is done with op amps and simple CMOS.  At this stage the 
outputs could be viewed on a 'scope in X-Y mode, but I choose to digitise them 
and process with further integration on a PC.  This allows the exact phase to 
be calculated rather than estimated from a scope trace.

There is nothing to stop the low pass filters being made much narrower and 
sticking with a simple scope to view the signal.  I can send a copy of the 
circuit of the analogue part of the electronics to anyone interested.  It also 
includes a simple LED based phase display driven from the 1kHz bandpass filter 
output, so a strongish signal can be seen to rotate around a circle of 8 LEDS.

The next stage is to do the 1kHz quadrature multiplication and avergaing in a 
PIC, but as the system works Ok as it is, that is a low priority job.

Andy  G4JNT

.

>I think a DSP scheme like G4JNT is using is the best way of doing these
>phase measurements in the long run, but in the mean time, I intend to
>resurrect the "vectorscope" circuit I built a while back - this should also
>be able to remove the PSK modulation from the R4 and DLF carriers, with
>suitable choice of time constant.
>s



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Agreed absolutely. I use the HF beacon chain for just that purpose and I
thank all beacon providers.

Bryan
-----Original Message-----
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Date: 27 September 2003 08:10
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>True indeed.
>
>But without the beacon tests we wouldn't know whether a QSO was possible or
>when was the best time to try for one.
>When I first started on LF G3XTZ had a QRP beacon on 24/7 which I could
>barely detect. After a series of incremental improvements I had it solid
57.
>It gives people a signal to listen for and therefore encourages activity
>(receive activity, maybe, but activity of some kind!).
>
>73
>Dave G3YXM
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:23 AM
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>
>
>> Hearing a beacon is nice but it is not communication. Communication
>requires
>> that a message be sent and a reply received. Just my view of course.
>>
>> Bryan - G3GVB
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Date: 26 September 2003 21:10
>> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
>>
>>
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
>> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
>> >Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
>> >
>> >
>> >> I in no way associate myself with G3KEV's response to my message.
>> >>
>> >> John Andrews, W1TAG
>> >>
>> >>
>> >We both reached the same conclusion. I agree no association please.
>> >de G3KEV
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




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Hearing a beacon is nice but it is not communication. Communication requires
that a message be sent and a reply received. Just my view of course.

Bryan - G3GVB
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Date: 26 September 2003 21:10
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
>
>
>> I in no way associate myself with G3KEV's response to my message.
>>
>> John Andrews, W1TAG
>>
>>
>We both reached the same conclusion. I agree no association please.
>de G3KEV
>
>
>
>




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I did my bit
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Combs <Larry.Combs@noaa.gov>
To: captbrian@ukonline.co.uk <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
Date: 22 September 2003 14:18
Subject: Maintain excellence please


>Dear Bryan,
>
>Thank you for your comments and concerns.  We are doing everything we
>can to resolve this situation.. We will try and keep our customers
>advised as things progress.
>
>Best Regards
>Larry Combs
>NOAA Space Environment Center
>larry.combs@noaa.gov
>
>
>Subject:
>        Maintain excellence please
>   Date:
>        Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:48:01 +0100
>   From:
>        "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
>     To:
>        <SEC.Webmaster@noaa.gov>
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I am a British radio amateur G3GVB in the summer months and AC4UA in USA
>in
>the winter.
>I conduct experiments in propagation from antennas on boats in
>salt-water
>vis-a-vis on land.
>
>I value highly the ionospheric data and "space weather" info which has
>hitherto been available and would think it a sad and retrograde step if
>the
>services were curtailed to save a few dollars.  Surely scientific data
>and
>knowledge freely propagated is a good advertisement for American science
>and
>industry ?
>
>Bryan Phillips
>
>
>
>




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Wow.! does this wonder-woman have a sister ?

Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 09 September 2003 22:37
Subject: LF: Wd2XDW Anchorage beacon back on...


>WD2XDW returned at 2109Z Tuesday 9th . Sheri reset the "hardfault"
indicator
>and the beacon has come up. 137.77350.




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No joy here in Maryland--will also look forward to the December test
de Lloyd W3NF FM19MH
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Rusgrove" <advancedreceiver@snet.net>
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Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 7:03 PM
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> Bob
>
> Unfortunately, no joy here in CT. Looking forward to the test in December.
>
> Jay Rusgrove, W1VD
>
> Vernall wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've just returned home from an night at Quartz Hill.  The beacon
operation
> > was good from a transmission point of view, no time lost from before
ZL6QH
> > sunset to well after sunrise.  The DDS exciter with 0.42 Hz shift was
used
> > throughout.  We could have been up to 0.1 Hz high in carriers but a
> > reception report suggests we were close to our notified frequencies.
Timing
> > of the start of each Q was within 3 seconds of ideal "on the hour"
startup,
> > and each ten minutes thereafter.
> >
> > We copped a bad storm before dawn but it did not cause any problem for
the
> > beacon.
> >
> > We will next look through posted Argo pics, provisionally Laurence K1LX
is
> > best DX for last night.
> >
> > European amateurs could also try and work ZL6QH in the HF WAE contest.
> >
> > 73, Bob
>




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http://www.xpress.se/~adsl1522/capture/

Highly experimental grabber running on 136.5 over the weekend.

/Christer
SM6PXJ





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I understand that Steve Olney shut lofexp down from what I would term 'lack
of interest'. I fully support that action.
There's not really enuff interested locals (and resultant LF related
internet traffic) to warrant a separate VK/ZL LF email reflector just now.
Specially with LF DX no longer being just down this end of the Pacific.

But who knows what the future may bring? Lofexp may yet 'ride again'!
I would like to publicly thank Steve for the great job he did by starting
lofexp in the first place and keeping it running till now.-it certainly
fulled a useful niche in it's first year or two.

As to the status of the message archives, I suggest you get in touch with
Steve.

73
Dave
ZL3FJ



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Oexner" <michael.oexner@web.de>
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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:40 PM
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> Hi all,
>
>
> Does anybody know what's happened to the "lofexp" mailing list on
> Yahoo groups? Had a look at its message archives a few weeks ago, but
> now it seems to be gone. Anybody?
>
> -- 
> vy 73 + gd DX,
>
> Michael
>
>
>




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True indeed.

But without the beacon tests we wouldn't know whether a QSO was possible or
when was the best time to try for one.
When I first started on LF G3XTZ had a QRP beacon on 24/7 which I could
barely detect. After a series of incremental improvements I had it solid 57.
It gives people a signal to listen for and therefore encourages activity
(receive activity, maybe, but activity of some kind!).

73
Dave G3YXM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 6:23 AM
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> Hearing a beacon is nice but it is not communication. Communication
requires
> that a message be sent and a reply received. Just my view of course.
>
> Bryan - G3GVB
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hamilton mal <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Date: 26 September 2003 21:10
> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
>
>
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:11 AM
> >Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
> >
> >
> >> I in no way associate myself with G3KEV's response to my message.
> >>
> >> John Andrews, W1TAG
> >>
> >>
> >We both reached the same conclusion. I agree no association please.
> >de G3KEV
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>





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Have a great day!

Dave 'YXM
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
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> wd2xdw  temp closed down at 0017Z 27th Sept
> Laurence - KL1X
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Nothing here, even VO1NA was a fuzzy shadow of his former self...

Dave G3YXM.

>
> I looked at dcf39 captures as a comparison (again you can click on the
argo
> screen for 1830Hz and select the appopriate file) - I (argo) could detect
> DCf39 at 0300Z but signals were very weak, about say, 40db down on when I
> saw you in Feb.
>
> Thanks for the best wishes - the beacon will be going off on Friday as the
> room where the TX is, is a "ballroom" and will be used for 'dancin' !
>
> Whilst looking for NDB's last night Im noticing that Im picking up
internal
> electrical noiz in the tx ae/co from my cooling fans (rf whirring) and PSU
> spurs when using the internal TX LPF (used on receive). I disconnected the
> aerial and terminated in 50 ohms but could still  hear PSU fan/noiz on the
> RX   It could be its been there all the time but does need investigation -
> its not knocking the s/n much on 137Khz giving the overall noiz figure,
but
> I do need to eliminate it.
>
> Keep on looking!~
>
> Laurence KL1X
> raining and snowing
>
>
>
> >From: "Laurie Mayhead" <laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >Subject: LF: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
> >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:05:10 +0100
> >
> >Hi Lawrence and congratulations.
> >You might be interested in the attached seen on your freq.this morning at
> >3am.
> >73 Laurie
> ><< Alaska.jpg >>
>
>
> >From: "g3ldo" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >Subject: LF: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
> >Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:53:46 +0100
> >
> >
> >Laurie Mayhead said:
> >
> > > You might be interested in the attached seen on your freq.this morning
> >at
> > > 3am.
> >
> >I had left the receiver on most nights but last night I came in late and
> >was
> >reluctant to put the antenna up in the dark - so I wasn't looking.
> >I will be looking tonight. If the LF band is open to KL7 then it will be
> >interesting to see how much better Laurie's big loop receiving is
compared
> >with mine.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Peter, G3LDO
> >
> >e-mail <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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I endorse that, I use it all the time.
In fact one of the filters I had set up labelled your mail for deletion
because you had "Spam" in the subject line!

73
Dave G3YXM



>
> I was on the verge of cancelling this EMail account because of the amount
of
> spam.  But on BBC Breakfast this morning they mentioned the MailWasher
> software.
>
> Look at WWW.MAILWASHER.NET
>
> This lets you go into your mail server and intercept mail before it is
> downloaded - and send back unwanted stuff as if it had never, and couldn't
be,
> delivered.  Saves a lot of time downloading dubious graphical web pages
only to
> be immediately deleted.
>
> This is probably teaching most readers of this reflector to suck eggs, but
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> never heard of it before.....!
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
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Wolf and all.

I have uploaded the latest version as one 1.6MB zip file. It is on the
software page at http://www.wireless.org.uk/software.htm
Thanks Wolf it looks good on Win2000.

73
Dave G3YXM

>>P.S: Dave (YXM) - would you like to update the
>>SpecLab version on your website ? If so, and you
>>cannot download the recent version from my website,
>>I can mail the archive to you from the office.





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Laurence

I've been looking for WD2XDW most nights recently, still nothing but the DX
Loaran lines are staying in longer and getting clearer by the day.

73
Dave G3YXM


> Made its first pre Eu dawn appearance peak this morning at 0439Z - and its
> still gaining strength. Autumn is on its way....
>
> Laurence KL1X
> wd2xdw will be intermittent whilst poking about for QH.
>
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Congratulations Marek after all your hard work.
Did you use your callsign or SP5ZCC for the QSO (for the matrix information)

73.
Dave
G3YXM


> Dear all,
>
> Today we finally succeded the LF QSO at SP5ZCC with SM6PXJ.





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Mine is also running most of the time at http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab

73
Dave G3YXM.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <holger.kinzel@qru.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Grabber running


> Hello Chris,
>
> your grabber works fine, it was nice to see my own callsign appearing on
the
> screen shwoing me that my signal strength in SM is ok! I plan to use this
> grabber in the future to see what minimum power level is really needed.
>
> Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christer Andersson" <050140599@home.se>
> To: "RSGB_LF_group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:57 AM
> Subject: LF: Grabber running
>
>
>
> http://www.xpress.se/~adsl1522/capture/
>
> Highly experimental grabber running on 136.5 over the weekend.
>
> /Christer
> SM6PXJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





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Marek SQ5BPM will be testing on 136.500 on Saturday (6th Sept)
19.00z - CW,
19.20z - 3s dots,
20.00z - 30s dots,
21.00z - 120s dots.
He hopes to get a report from SP2PZH but more distant reports would be very
welcome. The choice of frequency is due to technical limitations.

73
Dave G3YXM.





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<b>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
Reading <i>Practical Wireless</i> of June 2002 I came across the
following item (conversion by OCR):<br><br>
<br>
<font size=4>Laser Comms <br><br>
</b></font><font size=2><i>David Bowman GOMRF and Allan Wyatt G8LSD have
achieved a laser communication record with a c.w. QSO over
49.3km<br><br>
</i><b>David Bowman GOMRF </b>and <b>Allan Wyatt G8LSD </b>have been
conducting tests over <br>
the last four months together with <b>Derek Atter G3GRO </b>and <b>Lech
Laszkiewicz G3KAU </b>in a bid to develop laser cornmunication distances.
The distances gradually developed from a few <br>
tens of metres to 20km, then 40km and then finally on Saturday 5 April
2003 to the record 49.3km. The path for the QSO was from Fairlight east
of Hastings to Capel le Ferne east of Folkestone. <br>
David, accompanied by his wife, arrived on site at 183OUTC and saw a good
sunset but no view, as it was quite misty. The power station at Dungeness
some 30km away disappeared completely by 1900UTC and by 2125UTC they had
a sighting of the powerful white lights (used for aiming) as a dirn
yellow disc. <br>
The laser was aimed at the disc and at 213OUTC the laser was switched on
and Allan (?&nbsp; PA0SE) GOMRF received the signal immediately and
within a few minutes both systems were aligned. Reports of 559 and 579 as
well as both callsigns and additional characters were exchanged by 2145.
The distance was verified by using the G4JNT software. 
<dl>
<dd>Semiconductor lasers operating at 670nM were used at both ends of the
contact.&nbsp; Three to a beam expander at the G8LSD end, and 1OmW
barefoot at the GOMRF end. 
</dl>Both receivers were designed independently and operated at audio
baseband without a carrier. The 488Hz tones were generated in the
transmitters for modulating the lasers by the dividing down of a crystal
oscillator. Keying of the tone providing the c.w. and both receivers
featured audio filters to reduce bandwidth. <br>
Each station had separate receiving and transmitting equipment. David
GOMRF used a purpose built telescope using a 1OOmm lens to gather light
on receive, and Allan used a Russian 4.5in reflector telescope and
swapped the eyepiece for the detector head. Both transmitters used tripod
bases with vernier adjustments mounted above. Finally, the transmitter
was mounted on the vernier mechanism. <br>
The aiming of the laser was by rifle sight secured to the transmitter
housing. Strong and very cold winds worked against long term holding of
the beam position. But even when the laser dimmed from the brightest
light in the sky to only just visible with binoculars, the signal
remained audible. <br>
The PW Editorial team congratulate David and Allan on their
achievement!<br><br>
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<font size=3><b>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
Stewart,&nbsp; G3YSX wrote:<br><br>
<br><br>
</b><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>I came across an interesting
concept yesterday that I thought<br>
worthy of further consideration for an LF active antenna. The<br>
so called inverted vacuum tube amplifier.<br><br>
Consider a triode, with a positive grid and a negative anode,<br>
with the input signal going to the anode, and the output taken<br>
from the grid. This has a high input impeadance, very low input<br>
capacitance, and low output impeadance. It also is more linear<br>
than a conventional valve amplifier. These are exactly the<br>
characteristics that are needed in an active antenna.<br><br>
The downside is that although it has a power gain due to the<br>
impeadance transformation, it has a massive voltage loss, because<br>
in this mode the valve mu becomes 1/mu.<br><br>
At low frequencies the issue with voltage probe active antennas<br>
is not so much the voltage at the probe, but the very high<br>
capacitive potential divider that results from the very low<br>
capacitance of the probe, and the input capacitance of the active<br>
device and its infrastructure. The key test therefore is whether<br>
the voltage attenuation of the value in this mode is less than<br>
the voltage &quot;gain&quot; that results from the lower input
capacitance<br>
term in the input potential divider.<br><br>
Because of it's improvements in linearity, this mode is of interest<br>
to the audio groups, particularly those interested in
transformerless<br>
valve amplifiers.<br><br>
There is a writeup of the technique at<br><br>
<a href="http://members.aol.com/sbench102/inverted.html" eudora="autourl">http://members.aol.com/sbench102/inverted.html</a><br><br>
The inventor of the technique was none other than Fred Terman, who<br>
wrote it up for proc IRE<br><br>
F Terman, The inverted vacuum tube, a voltage reducing power
amplifier.<br>
Proc. Inst. Rad. Eng. 16:447-61. (1928)<br><br>
In case anyone thinks that this is a misplaced April Fools Joke,
there<br>
ia also a reference to the paper in his book Radio Enginneering,
although<br>
neither of the editions that I have give any useful theory on the
operation.<br><br>
If anyone has access to a copy of that paper, I would appreciate a<br>
copy, otherwise I will try to get one the next time I am in the<br>
IEE library in London.<br><br>
Stewart G3YSX<br><br>
<b>If my memory serves me right the principle of the inverted valve has
been used in the past in a DC valve voltmeter for relatively high
voltages causing negligible loading of the voltage being
measured.</font></blockquote><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
<br>
</b><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font size=3>&nbsp;<br><br>
<br>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hello Group,<BR>
<BR>
The colour-azimuth spectrogram 'invented' by Markus DF6NM is now available in the latest version of Spectrum Lab (V2.2 b3 or later). What's that ? Visitors of the Ham Radio this year will remember: The colour azimuth spectrogram basically shows the intensity of a signal as the intensity of a colour, and the angle-of-arrival as the colour hue value. The technical background and some applications can be seen in Markus' presentation which is available online:<BR>
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/ColourDF.htm">http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/ColourDF.htm</A><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
The implementation of the colour direction finder in SpecLab now supports..<BR>
- two basic antenna configurations, the simpler one with 180° bearing ambiguity<BR>
- software cardioid to cancel noise from a certain direction (only for the spectrogram yet)<BR>
- calibration can be loaded from textfile (frequency response data with amplitude+phase)<BR>
- all possible frequency resolutions / waterfall scrolling speeds now work in RDF mode too<BR>
- azimuth readings for a couple of user-defineable frequencies can be written to a textfile<BR>
<BR>
To use it on LF, you need a dual-channel receiver which converts the LF band down into the audio passband of a soundcard (below 22kHz). <BR>
More info and a download link is at<BR>
<A HREF="www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html">www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html</A> <BR>
<BR>
(follow the link to the latest release which is "V2.2 b3" at the moment).<BR>
<BR>
I use this radio direction finder on VLF, it appears to be more sensitive for very weak signals than a classic spectrogram display.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks to Markus DF6NM for the original project in QBasic and to everyone who helped testing the program. As always, suggestions are welcome. If you are interested in the sourcecode of the RDF module, it is available on request (written in C++).<BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
Wolf DL4YHF<BR>
<BR>
P.S: Dave (YXM) - would you like to update the SpecLab version on your website ? If so, and you cannot download the recent version from my website, I can mail the archive to you from the office.<BR>
<BR>
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LF-enthusiasts!

I have just returned to Taganrog from Machta.

I kept imagining someone was TX exactly +0.1Hz from announcement
frequency ;-) But after my new check up on argocaps now ... not
identified signals ;-(

QRN-level for reception ZL6QH now is a little high (abt +10..12dB)
There can be a QRN-level will sufficient in one or 1/2 month later...

There was an interesting big signal accepted equally on 0.5Hz below from
announcement frequency ZL6QH's dots.
It has disappeared abt 1830z (QH's sunrise ;-) Who it was?
I accepted the beacon-test up to 1930z.

Bob, I shall search for the best way on ZL6QH ;-) and wait date of the
following beacon...

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru




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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>&nbsp;
Maybe we need an independent keeper of records for LF
activity.</font></blockquote><br>
Mal,<br><br>
if you point your browser to
<a href="http://www.wireless.org.uk/" eudora="autourl">http://www.wireless.org.uk/</a>
and chose &quot;The Matrix&quot;, you'll find following entry for G&lt;-&gt;UA_eu<br><br>
&gt; M0BMU-RU6LA <br>
&gt; 07.04.02(QRSS) <br>
&gt; G3KEV-RN6BN <br>
&gt; 04.05.03 (CW)<br><br>
<br>
73, Fabian Dj1YFK<br><br>
GO WWYC!<br><br>
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Congrats for the first QSO, Marek!

I am QRV on LF from my home QTH but not from Dresden where I am living now. 
I am sure you'll soon have success with some DL-Stations. DN1VLF/DL7YA is 
in Berlin, so that might be the closest DL to you...

Good luck, Do uslyszenia! Fabian dj1yfk
GO WWYC

At 21:21 08.09.2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>Today we finally succeded the LF QSO at SP5ZCC with SM6PXJ. I
>was transmitting on 136.500 30s per dot and Christer on 137.000
>with 3s per dot. Thank you Christer for the FB setup which made
>it all possible! Here I am using only a simple 'QRP' TX (150W)
>which seems not to be heard anywhere but at his great station,
>in a quiet location he lives at. If he did not put the receiver
>on-line during the weekend I would not have had a single reason
>to believe that my setup works at all... It was the first QSO on
>LF for us as well as probably the first QSO with another country
>made from SP at all on 136kHz band!
>
>Thanks also (last but not least) to Dave, G3YXM who helped me a
>lot, starting with the super web page (my TX was based mainly on
>his descriptions) and a lot of helpful e-mails he sent to me
>when I was in trouble with finishing the TX. I would like to
>thank also OK1FIG; the loading coil was made after his design.
>OK this is not going to be Oscar Awards, so I will stop here,
>but there are many more people who helped me and even made
>interested in LF. Now it is the good time to build a better
>power supply as well as more stable VXO. I hope that soon we'll
>have a better antenna in the club as well, even though this one
>proved to radiate some of the input power.
>
>I am looking forward to meet you all on LF one day!
>
>73! Marek SQ5BPM
>SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club
>http://www.sp5zcc.waw.pl/
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Wiktoria ma 6 lat! Pomó¿ przezwyciê¿yæ jej chorobê!
>Kliknij: http://www.wiktoria.interserwis.net/




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At 09:43 07.09.2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi all. Similar results to Mike here. I saw a constant carrier from 2053 to
>2120z a few Hz off the nominal declared frequency, but no signs of any
>signals even at 60sec slow dot mode. Conditions were good last night so it
>was not a propagation wipe-out.

Nothing here, too. I just moved to Dresden (JO60) so I am probably one
of the closest stations to SQ5BPM. RX equipment not yet optimized (not
much space for antennas in a dormitary room :) but I am working on a RX-
loop.

73, Fabian DJ1YFK 




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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/26/03 6:12:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, Heinz.Borde@t-online.de writes:<BR>
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Hi all<BR>
Who can tell me a source for 3C85 ring cores?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Heinz, DM2BHG<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
3C85 is now obsolete.<BR>
<BR>
Replacement is the 3C90<BR>
<BR>
I have those in 42mm only. The larger 58mm ones are ideal for about 1kW<BR>
<BR>
<A HREF="www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk\kits.htm">www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk\kits.htm</A><BR>
<BR>
However, when I order them they are sent from Germany, so you should be able to find some close to home.<BR>
<BR>
73<BR>
<BR>
David&nbsp; G0MRF</FONT></HTML>

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/16/03 9:04:53 AM GMT Daylight Time, d.w.rollema@freeler.nl writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj: <B>LF: QSY&nbsp; </B><BR>
Date: 9/16/03 9:04:53 AM GMT Daylight Time<BR>
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 <I>Sent from the Internet </I><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<B>To All from PA0SE<BR>
<BR>
Reading <I>Practical Wireless</I> of June 2002 I came across the following item (conversion by OCR):<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=4 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Laser Comms <BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><I>David Bowman GOMRF and Allan Wyatt G8LSD have achieved a laser communication record with a c.w. QSO over 49.3km<BR>
<BR>
<B></I>David Bowman GOMRF </B>and <B>Allan Wyatt G8LSD </B>have been conducting tests over <BR>
the last four months together with <B>Derek Atter G3GRO </B>and <B>Lech Laszkiewicz G3KAU.............</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></B><BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
Hello Dick.<BR>
A reasonably good report in PW, although I seemed to have gained an XYL from somewhere.<BR>
That was a busy week for Derek and me.&nbsp; A few days previously I had returned from Scotland, and Derek and Jim M0BMU from Cornwall, where we had set a 2 way record for the 73kHz band at 610 km.<BR>
The&nbsp; QSY to 447THz was a lot of fun. We had expected to use some LF technology in extending the laser distance. Laptops with ARGO and QRSS were at the ready, but as it turned out, whatever the distance we tried, the lasers were always the brightest lights on the horizon and our 'lightwave receivers' were overloaded.<B> </B><BR>
</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">One month after that on 5th May Derek, Allan and I managed a couple of QSOs between Dover and the French coast near Calais.&nbsp; There's a photo of the laser over the 34km at:<BR>
<BR>
<A HREF="http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/laser5.htm">http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/laser5.htm</A><BR>
<BR>
73<BR>
<BR>
David&nbsp; G0MRF<BR>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 9/6/03 4:32:28 PM GMT Daylight Time, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com writes:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Costa Rica - Im here<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
KL1X/T13 from Turrialba EJ89DV (new maidenhead) is QRV RX 137Khz&nbsp; as from <BR>
1600Z Sat 6th Sept<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
As it's only a few days away from the 3rd anniversary of the first LF 'transatlantic crossing'&nbsp; ( 10th September 2000) it may be worth arranging some tests.<BR>
LF season is here again! <BR>
<BR>
BTW&nbsp; Anyone off to the Leicester show in two weeks time?<BR>
<BR>
73<BR>
<BR>
David</FONT></HTML>

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Laurie said
> I absolutely agree! but thought it worthwhile to show it, since I have not
> seen anything so close to that frequency before.
> I will continue to monitor ,and who knows.

Monitored last night but nothing seen on KL1X's frequency. A large signal at
a faster QRSS rate came on at around 2330UTC on 137.774kHz - who was that?

Most of the weak signals that pop up out of the noise are Loran lines. I am
now used to these. The strong ones are present all the time and the very
weak ones start to come through at about 0700UTC. The signal that Laurie saw
had a different characteristic to Loran and popped up at a different time,
and on KL1X's frequency.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO

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Laurie Mayhead said:

> You might be interested in the attached seen on your freq.this morning at
> 3am.

I had left the receiver on most nights but last night I came in late and was
reluctant to put the antenna up in the dark - so I wasn't looking.
I will be looking tonight. If the LF band is open to KL7 then it will be
interesting to see how much better Laurie's big loop receiving is compared
with mine.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO

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I put out a CQ call on CW on 136.7 ish to cook some of the spiders out of
the Tx and coil and was surprised to get a reply from PA0EGO at 1730UTC,
operator Wim. His signal was 559 in QRN.

Peter G3LDO




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Laurence,

My congratulations also.

73 & best wishes

Gary  G4WGT.

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> The owner is getting married on the 28th Sept (Z time)  in the house and
> doesnt want the 81dBa fan noise/HP transformer hum to obscure the "I do"
> bit.
>

Laurence,
Sounds like congratulations are in order.
I'm sure others will join me in wishing you a fantastic wedding day and a
long and rewarding life together.
73 and best wishes to you an yours
Hugh M0WYE



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Hi to all at LF,

After a disasterous start (destroyed several compnents due to test probe
slipping)& various delays such as work & family things getting in the way, I
have finally completed the G0MRF
LF transmitter. Power supply is not up to spec but testing into dummy load
it shows promise (about 150 watts DC). New power supply is soon to be
constructed but I will carry out some
on air transmitter & antenna tests at this lower power.

A couple of things you can help with, what frequency would you suggest for
my tests
using QRSS3 & can you advise a good method (simple) of checking RF output
power at 136 Khz.
The only decent power meter I have is a Bird Thro-Line with VHF & UHF
elements other than the usual array of SWR meters.

I will advise of date/times of tests.

73

Gary G4WGT.
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Hi Alan and all at LF,

Checked CFH last night after Alans comments, looked at captures this morning
(Wed 10/09/2003)and CFH first seen at about 2300 utc (Tues night)good
strength most of time, some sharp fading later and finally faded out at
about 0625 utc this morning. I will try looking for WD2XDV beacon.

Using G3LNP loop at 15 feet above ground and Yaesu FT747GX with Spectrum
Lab, my location north west England.

Regards

Gary  G4WGT

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Hi Steve, yes things are improving a little now, CFH was a good signal here
last night but was a bit "peaky" with some sharp fades. Good levels were not
present for as long as on your DCF39 plot. Thanks for the gen.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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You, fucking dirty crook, retutn stolen money immediately to the ome feom
whom you've stolen them!

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>
>
> My Dear Friend.
> This letter may come to you as a surprise since it is
> coming from some one you have not met before. However,
> we decided to contact you based on a satisfactory
> information we had about you.
> I am a chartered Accountant currently working with the
> Petroleum Trust Fund (PTF). I and some of my close and
> trusted colleagues need your assistance in the
> transfer
> of US$25.5 million into any reliable
> Account you may nominate.This fund was generated
> from over-invoicing of contracts executed by the PTF
> under our control and supervision.
> This fund is now ready to be remitted into any Account
> we put forward for that purpose. What we want from you
> is a good and reliable company or personal Account
> into which we shall transfer this fund.
> Details should include the following:
> 1. Name of Bank and Address of Bank
> 2.Your personal telephone/fax numbers.
> 3. Your Bank Account Number
> Upon receipt of your bank particulars, an application
> shall be made in your name to the Central Bank of
> Nigeria fort heap proval of the remittance of the
> funds which shall be by SWIFT(Telegraphic Transfer)
> copies of the approval and other relevant documents
> shall be faxed to you for your perusal. Please treat
> as strictly confidential for obvious reasons. The fund
> will be shared as follows:
> 1. 30% for your assistance.
> 2. 60% for myself & my Colleagues
> 3. 10% for contingency expenses.
> We wish to assure you that your involvement should
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Big signal this afternoon on qrs.Too strong for qrs 
!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de&nbsp; Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was pleased to work DK0UH/P a short time ago on 
136.5 khz xband for a change. I was transmitting on 7021 khz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DJ3TU was operating the station and was 559 
CW</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 De Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Active over the w/end.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Saturday</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ON6ND - CW</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>YU7AR - QRS vy strong over 
s9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2021 utc in qso with dk0uh</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DK0UH - QRS 
s6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
2021 utc </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sunday</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DK0UH/P - CW S5 0936 UTC</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The above heard/seen during the odd visit to the 
shack</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de Mal/G3KEV </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Sam</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My&nbsp;QSL sent today to the address on your card 
for our CW qso on 137 khz earlier on in the year. Tnx agn for&nbsp;your cards 
and hope we work agn soon on CW. You are always a very strong signal with me. 
Distance about 3000 kilometres. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looking for UA9 and UA0 stns on LF, let me know if 
anyone becomes active. I have worked many on 160 metres.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do not have ur&nbsp;direct email address and hope 
you get this info.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 and tnx agn de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
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> I in no way associate myself with G3KEV's response to my message.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG
> 
> 
We both reached the same conclusion. I agree no association please. 
de G3KEV





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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon


> Laurie,
>
> No offense intended, but other than the correctness of the frequency, is
> there anything in that shot that identifies XDW?

I cannot make out anything that resembles WD2XDW either, please no
guesswork. The real thing or nothing.
I often see traces on the forecast frequency but except I get a positive ID
then it is not reported.
This type of thing has happened in the past and resulted in some suspect
QSO'S. Call back tomorrow and the next day for other parts of the
callsign!!! Then bingo a claim made for a QSO and please congratulate me!!
To be valid the callsign must be seen or heard properly.
de Mal/G3KEV


>
> John Andrews
>
>
>




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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=fk@diolog.de href="mailto:fk@diolog.de">Fabian Kurz</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 22, 2003 8:49 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: RN6BN </DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite type="cite"><FONT face=arial size=2>&nbsp; Maybe 
    we need an independent keeper of records for LF activity.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV><BR>Mal,<BR><BR>if you point your browser to <A 
  href="http://www.wireless.org.uk/" 
  eudora="autourl">http://www.wireless.org.uk/</A> and chose "The Matrix", 
  you'll find following entry for G&lt;-&gt;UA_eu<BR><BR>&gt; M0BMU-RU6LA 
  <BR>&gt; 07.04.02(QRSS) <BR>&gt; G3KEV-RN6BN <BR>&gt; 04.05.03 
  (CW)<BR><BR><BR>73, Fabian Dj1YFK<BR><BR>GO WWYC!</DIV>
  <DIV>Hi Fabian</DIV>
  <DIV>I was referring to published articles in UK magazines.&nbsp;It seems they 
  miss&nbsp;important information and concentrate on speculation, was it you or 
  who was transmitting that wobble. It could be a first, never mind a callsign 
  but the wobble was there ~~~~~~~~~~ I hope you understand.</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>De G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><EM>&nbsp;</EM></DIV>
  <DIV><EM>73 de Mal/G3KEV</EM><BR><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Sam</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Got your QSL cards today for NORMAL CW and QRS 
qso's and see that I was your first 
ever&nbsp;Russian/UK&nbsp;QSO&nbsp;on&nbsp;QRS and also the one and only 
CW&nbsp;normal QSO with the UK.&nbsp;I cannot remember seeing this 
published&nbsp;or mentioned in the UK RSGB records, or any other UK publication, 
perhaps they are pushed for space.&nbsp;Maybe&nbsp;we need an independent keeper 
of records for LF activity.&nbsp;I make the distance about 3000 kilometres. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tnx again Sam for the QSO'S and will get you some 
cards soon. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 and hope to work you again soon especially on 
normal CW and ask the UA9 ops to look out for me over the coming 
winter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This w/end&nbsp; 20/9/03 - 1925 I5TGC and DK1IS 
both started CQ at exactly the same time!! Both good signals with DK1IS 
stronger, both using QRS 3 on 137.7 khz approx. This morning DK1IS active on FSK 
good signal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The above acty seen&nbsp;dur</FONT><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>ng my short visits to the shack.</FONT></DIV>
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<html><base href="https://freemail.web.de/"/><style>p {margin: 0px}</style><body style='font-size:9pt; font-family:Verdana; font-family: Verdana' ><P><EM><FONT size=4>Dear Lowfers,</FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4>thank You all for listening to our signals in Europe.&nbsp; A detailed report by our press responsible will follow, I will post it when back from holliday end of Ocober. I will catch the last bit of sun on Greek Islands&nbsp;after a hot summer. &nbsp;</FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT size=4>In brief: </FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT size=4>Our equipment: Pout 70 W/60 Ohm at an vertical marconi&nbsp; - 20m mast with top loading of four wires 10 m length supported by fiberglass telescope masts (DK9SQ).&nbsp; The programmes qrss and spectrum lab could be used soon by me and other operators (its not a microsoft trash!). RX: EKD300, Funkwerk Köpenick, DDR. We had a lot of noise clicks and ESD di
scharge noise in the receiver. QSLs will follow by DL 5 SDF. </FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT size=4>Addendum: Rainer Fritz, DK7SU (cba) is now in the internet. You can reach him via "operators_call_at_the_&nbsp; provider_gmx.de" (qtq, que german).</FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT size=4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</P><P><EM><FONT size=4>55,</FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4>Hans-Albrecht</FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4>DK 8 ND</FONT></EM></P><P><EM><FONT size=4>.</FONT></EM>&nbsp; QSLs will follow by DL5SDFRX: EKD300 (Funkwerk Köpenick, DDR) </P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 24.09.03 22:09:38:<BR></P><TABLE id=alt style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 20px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><TBODY><TR><TD><STYLE>p {margin: 0px}</STYLE><P><STRONG>Dear Lowfers, </STRONG></P><P><STRONG>please remember Our Acty-Day next weekend.&nbsp; Looking forwar
d to Your sigs!</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND<BR></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&gt;<FONT size=3><STRONG> German Long Wave Activity Day of the DARC district Wuerttemberg at the<BR>&gt; 27./28. September 2003<BR></STRONG></FONT>&gt; <BR>&gt; Like last year the local DARC association Hohenstaufen P41 is arranging the<BR>&gt; Long Wave Activity Day of the district Wuerttemberg.<BR>&gt; Starting on Saturday afternoon at 12.00 UTC until Sunday 12.00 UTC it will<BR>&gt; be transmitted on the long wave frequency 136 KHz in CW, in the evening in the<BR>&gt; new mode QRSS-CW too.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Our preferred frequencies: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 KHz, qrss3 (one CW<BR>&gt; dot lasts three seconds). QSK QSU (please reply exactly on the used<BR>&gt; frequency)<BR>&gt; Transmit operation is performed with the club call DK0UH and the operators<BR>&gt; call.<BR>&gt; Please QSL via bureau, and to the operator too.<BR>&gt; Our locator: JN48TM in D-72589 Westerheim, souther
n from the city<BR>&gt; Goeppingen.<BR>&gt; Time: Beginning on Saturday, 27. September 2003 at 12:00 UTC until Sunday,<BR>&gt; 12:00 UTC <BR>&gt; Confirming operation is performed on HF 7021 kHz, the request is made on<BR>&gt; long wave<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hans-Albrecht Haffa<BR>&gt; DK8ND Chairman P41<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Klaus Ruoff<BR>&gt; DK1SB Press responsible<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The same text, but in German<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <STRONG>Langwellenaktivitätstag des DARC-Distrikts Württemberg am 27./28.September<BR>&gt; 2003<BR></STRONG>&gt; <BR>&gt; Wie schon im vergangenen Jahr, veranstaltet der DARC-Ortsverband<BR>&gt; Hohenstaufen P41, den Langwellenaktivitätstag des Distrikts Württemberg . Von Samstag<BR>&gt; Nachmittag 14.00 Uhr bis Sonntag Nachmittag 14.00 Uhr wird auf der<BR>&gt; Langwellenfrequenz 136 kHz in CW gesendet, abends auch in der neuen Betriebsart QRSS-CW.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Unsere Vorzugsfrequenzen: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 kHz, qrss3 (
ein<BR>&gt; Morsepunkt drei Sekunden). QSK QSU (bitte antworten Sie genau auf der benutzten<BR>&gt; Frequenz). <BR>&gt; Sendebetrieb mit dem Clubrufzeichen DK 0 UH und dem Rufzeichen des<BR>&gt; Operators. QSL via Bureau, auch an den Operator. <BR>&gt; Unser Locator: JN48TM<BR>&gt; Bestätigungsfunkbetrieb auf Kurzwelle 7021 kHz, die Aufforderung ergeht auf<BR>&gt; Langwelle. <BR>&gt; Zeit: Samstag, 27.September 2003 ab 14.00 MESZ (12.00 UTC) bis <BR>&gt; Sonntag, 14.00 MESZ (12.00 UTC)<BR>&gt; Veranstaltungsort ist unser Funkgelände in 72589 Westerheim,<BR>&gt; südlich von Göppingen gelegen. Autobahnausfahrt A8 Hohenstadt<BR>&gt; benutzen. Man folgt den Hinweisschildern der Gemeinde Westerheim im Ort zur<BR>&gt; Schertelshöhle. Der nähere Weg ist von uns beschildert. Für Speis und Trank<BR>&gt; ist gesorgt. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; DK8ND OVV P41 <BR>&gt; DK1SB Pressereferent<BR></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR><BR></body></html>
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<html><base href="https://freemail.web.de/"/><style>p {margin: 0px}</style><body style='font-size:9pt; font-family:Verdana; font-family: Verdana' ><P><FONT size=3>Lieber Heinz, </FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>die Hersteller des Materials 3C85 sind Valvo, Philips und derzeit wieder Ferroxcube.&nbsp; Für Langwelle empfehle ich aber sich das Datenblatt aus dem Internet zu holen und ein Amidon-Material gleicher Permeabilität zu wählen. Oder bei Oppermann Elektronik&nbsp; einen preiswerten Ringkern auszuwählen. Mehr über Ferritmaterialien und Kernformen auf Anfrage.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>(More about ferrit materials and cores upon request...)</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>55, Hans-Albrecht&nbsp;</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>DK 8 ND</FONT></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 26.09.03 19:33:34:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi all<BR>&gt; Who can tell me a source for 3C85 ring cores?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Heinz, DM2BHG<BR>&gt; <BR><BR></P></body></htm
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Dear Mike,
yes it seems to me as if "Pot cores " got its name by a kind of cooking set.  i. e by its shape.  There are EE cores, rod cores etc. But I dont recomend pot cores for new designs. Take a ETD-Core and align the gap with a saw from the tile plastering department of the do it yourself market. The stray filed of a ETD core with no center leg (maximum gap) is little and ETD cores are available in many sizes by many manufacturers. You will not get anymore a pot core sized 60mm in Diameter. 
55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND

rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 23.09.03 12:58:03:
> 
> On 22 Sep 2003 at 16:30, Hugh M0WYE wrote:
> 
> > While pondering a filter design and playing with a pot core type inductor...
> > RM6 / RM10 etc.
> > I wondered: "Why is it called a pot core - it doesn't look much like a pot
> > ?"
> > Anyone know how the pot-core got it's name ?
> > Silly, I know, but one does like to know these things ...
> 
> I always understood this was short for "potted", and presumably refers 
> to the complete encapsulation of the inductance in ferrite that occurs in 
> most 'pot cores'. It may also be connected with the ceramic (ie pottery) 
> mixed with iron dust to make the ferrite.
> 
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
> 
> 


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<html><base href="https://freemail.web.de/"/><style>p {margin: 0px}</style><body style='font-size:9pt; font-family:Verdana; font-family: Verdana' ><BASE href=https://freemail.web.de/><STYLE>p {margin: 0px}</STYLE><P><STRONG>Dear Lowfers, </STRONG></P><P><STRONG>please remember Our Acty-Day next weekend.&nbsp; Looking forward to Your sigs!</STRONG></P><P><STRONG>Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND<BR></STRONG></P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>&gt;<FONT size=3><STRONG> German Long Wave Activity Day of the DARC district Wuerttemberg at the<BR>&gt; 27./28. September 2003<BR></STRONG></FONT>&gt; <BR>&gt; Like last year the local DARC association Hohenstaufen P41 is arranging the<BR>&gt; Long Wave Activity Day of the district Wuerttemberg.<BR>&gt; Starting on Saturday afternoon at 12.00 UTC until Sunday 12.00 UTC it will<BR>&gt; be transmitted on the long wave frequency 136 KHz in CW, in the evening in the<BR>&gt; new mode QRSS-CW too.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Our preferred frequencies: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 
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ellenaktivitätstag des Distrikts Württemberg . Von Samstag<BR>&gt; Nachmittag 14.00 Uhr bis Sonntag Nachmittag 14.00 Uhr wird auf der<BR>&gt; Langwellenfrequenz 136 kHz in CW gesendet, abends auch in der neuen Betriebsart QRSS-CW.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Unsere Vorzugsfrequenzen: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 kHz, qrss3 (ein<BR>&gt; Morsepunkt drei Sekunden). QSK QSU (bitte antworten Sie genau auf der benutzten<BR>&gt; Frequenz). <BR>&gt; Sendebetrieb mit dem Clubrufzeichen DK 0 UH und dem Rufzeichen des<BR>&gt; Operators. QSL via Bureau, auch an den Operator. <BR>&gt; Unser Locator: JN48TM<BR>&gt; Bestätigungsfunkbetrieb auf Kurzwelle 7021 kHz, die Aufforderung ergeht auf<BR>&gt; Langwelle. <BR>&gt; Zeit: Samstag, 27.September 2003 ab 14.00 MESZ (12.00 UTC) bis <BR>&gt; Sonntag, 14.00 MESZ (12.00 UTC)<BR>&gt; Veranstaltungsort ist unser Funkgelände in 72589 Westerheim,<BR>&gt; südlich von Göppingen gelegen. Autobahnausfahrt A8 Hohenstadt<BR>&gt; benutzen. Man folgt den Hin
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Hi Uwe,

> so you did finish the new PA ?

;-)

... still under construction ... another 6 dB to come!

73

Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)

P.S.: ... for those of you not reading the German radio magazine
FUNKAMATEUR: from Kjell, SM1LCA I got a 1.2 kW output) Decca PA type 1876,
build in 1969, equipped with 48 pieces of 2SJ575 transistors, 19" wide and 5
ft tall, hope to have it qrv soon ...






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Hello Chris,

your grabber works fine, it was nice to see my own callsign appearing on the
screen shwoing me that my signal strength in SM is ok! I plan to use this
grabber in the future to see what minimum power level is really needed.

Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)


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http://www.xpress.se/~adsl1522/capture/

Highly experimental grabber running on 136.5 over the weekend.

/Christer
SM6PXJ







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> The owner is getting married on the 28th Sept (Z time)  in the house and
> doesnt want the 81dBa fan noise/HP transformer hum to obscure the "I do"
> bit.
>

Laurence,
Sounds like congratulations are in order.
I'm sure others will join me in wishing you a fantastic wedding day and a
long and rewarding life together.
73 and best wishes to you an yours
Hugh M0WYE





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Hi Gary,
I don't have the experience of some of the other operators on this
reflector, but I did face a similar problem last year - i.e. how to test and
set up my TX with next to no test equipment.
I built the RF current meter described in the LF Experimenter's Handbook, to
measure the current, and a simple, peak-sensing voltage probe consisting of
a diode, a
resistor and a capacitor (make sure the diode you use has a high enough
reverse voltage rating !) connected to some cheap (2 for £5) Maplin DVMs.

I divided the voltage readings by 1.414 to give me the RMS volts, and I had
a calibration curve for the current meter. Then I multiplied volts by
current together using an uncalibrated pocket calculator, to get the power,
and divided them to get an idea of antenna impedance (resistance).

Getting an accurate power reading this way, depends on the current and
voltage being roughly in phase - but then it should be when the aerial is
fairly well matched to the amp - and will be into a dummy load.

Some ideas for calibrating the current meter were suggested on this
reflector a while back, but once you've got something that produces some
output current you can run it into a resistor load and measure the voltage
across the resistor with the voltage probe to calibrate the current meter.
Ohms law.

Sounds as if you've already been tuning for "maximum smoke" !

I wish you every success.

73
Hugh M0WYE















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Hi Group
While pondering a filter design and playing with a pot core type inductor...
RM6 / RM10 etc.
I wondered: "Why is it called a pot core - it doesn't look much like a pot
?"
Anyone know how the pot-core got it's name ?
Silly, I know, but one does like to know these things ...
73
Hugh M0WYE





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Alan, et Group,
The Services Textbook of Radio (1958) Volume 5, (page 336) says that "a
Beverage, or wave aerial, is a straight wire several wavelengths long,
usually carried by insulators on telephone poles at about 30 feet above the
ground..."
Further on it says "Such aerials should be at least one wavelength long, so
that for the very low frequencies involved, several miles of line are
required. They are therefore only suitable when a large area of poor
conductivity ground is available."
The method of operation proposed is that there is a degree of tilt of (1 to
4 degrees depending on ground type) to the wavefront passing over ground so
that there is a horisontal component which will produce an induced emf in
the wire.
If I read the explanation right, the degree of tilt is greater over poor
conductivity ground, and this gives 4 times as much emf as over good ground.

I don't see that 300m of wire can really be referred to as a Beverage,
representing only about 1/7th of a wavelength.

73
Hugh M0WYE

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>
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> Hi Mike, that is an interesting philosophical / technical point....what is
> the length of a Beverage ?? they obviously work better if they are longer,
> and the aerial has more "coupling" to the wave front....maybe more time to
> integrate the energy in the wavefront.....but does that make a short (less
> than a wavelength) travelling-wave aerial not a Beverage?? I tried to
relate
> these type of aerials to the terminated directional coupler loops used in
> coax and waveguide....but the "direction" seemed to be the wrong way
> round.....I never quite understood why.
>
> This leads on to the oft quoted ground aerials....where an insulated wire
is
> laid along the ground or buried in a shallow trench. Reading the history
and
> comments by Beverage would suggest that the reason for using this
> configuration was the "low-pass" effect it produced. In the days when
> selectivity was relatively poor, and there was a lot of noise at higher
> frequencies, the ground aerial did not respond to the higher frequencies.
> Then being generally laid on poor ground that VLF signals could easily
> penetrate, even a zero altitude aerial had some "effective height". This
> suggests that the aerial would be "relatively poor" at 136kHz, though I
> certainly pick up a substantial signal on my counterpoise wire when I use
it
> as an aerial. It is obviously a lot cheaper to lay a wire on the ground
that
> support it for several kilometres on poles. No doubt this was an important
> factor in the early competitive period of radio.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> alan.melia@btinternet.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 11 September 2003 09:42
> Subject: LF: re EWE aerials
>
>
> > On 10 Sep 2003 at 21:11, Alan Melia wrote:
> >
> > > Finbar has also had reasonable success
> > > with a form of Beverage (no, not Jameson's) 900 feet long run about 5
> foot
> > > in the air down the beach. It only worked in some directions, which is
> odd
> > > because a Beverage is not supposed to work at all over good ground
(like
> > > sea-water).
> >
> > Ah, but at less than one-sixth of a -wavelength long it wasn't really a
> Beverage, was it?
> >
> > Mike, G3XDV
> > ==========
> >
> >
>
>
>



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My apologies to all. I seem to have acquired a nasty which got into the
desk-top past the anti-virus. Luckily this laptop hasn't been used for a
month so it should be OK.
Got my asbestos hat on ready for the coals of fire.

Guiltily,

Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ




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Hi Gary,

Easy to measure power at 136.  I use  " V squared over R"  in a dummy load
consisting of four wirewounds in series/parallel and measure the peak
voltage with an very ordinary "cooking"  chopped beam 'scope.
Same system used to calibrate the current meters,and as the basis for a
"scope-match" unit.
A 'pick-and-shovel' way of looking for match is to set up the TX for a given
power into the dummy (say 25W) and note the input DC current. Leave the
settings alone and put the antenna on. Adjust tune and/or match to get the
same current. You'll be in the park - if not exactly in the Directors Box.
I have given up on the BK having tried Jims mods and found that ANY
departure from the manufacturers component values banjaxes either voltage or
waveform or both at the drive stage, and now intend to simply use  the PSU
and two of the MOSFETS in push-pull into a tuned cirrcuit and drive them
with a commercial 10W audio chip good to 120KHz that my "technical adviser"
GI1PHF found whilst clearing up his garage - thus maintaining my policy of
minimum expenditure.
Have been running captures pretty well every night for the last few weeks
without getting anything other than a reduction in free disc space.
Have fun.

Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ




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Hi Alan,

not only G3s.......     See attachment.

Form your own Chapter!

73,

Ian.
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I have also been running captures looking for Laurence most nights recently
but so far nothing seen except an unidentified line about 0.2Hz above his
nominal frequency.
In the words of the old jazz number, "..someday sweetheart..."

73,

Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ




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Dear LF Group,

I am off on holiday until the beginning of October. Will leaver the PC
running to see if any interesting signals pop up at the top end of the
band. See you later,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
Sent: 12 September 2003 09:20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Inverted tube amplifier


I came across an interesting concept yesterday that I thought
worthy of further consideration for an LF active antenna. The
so called inverted vacuum tube amplifier...

Dear Stewart, LF Group,

>From what I could figure out over lunch - As well as reducing the value
of mu, the value of transconductance gm will also be reduced by a factor
equal to the "normal" mu of the valve. For a preamp, this has serious
consequences for the noise. The noise voltage referred to the input of a
triode is proportional to the square root of the "effective noise
resistance"; as I recall, the ENR of a triode is approximated by about
2/gm. Therefore, low gm will result in high noise, as well as low gain -
or if you prefer, the same noise but less signal at the output compared
to normal operation.

The linearity is good because a given signal input only drives the valve
over a small part of the characteristic curve due to the large bias
voltage and small gain - but this leaves you back at square one, because
you then need to follow this input stage with enough gain to bring the
signal level up sufficiently to drive the receiver, while maintaining
linearity. If you could make an amplifier which would do this
satisfactorily, you could just replace the "inverted tube" stage with an
attenuator, with the advantage of lower noise, and even better
linearity. The low gain and noise could be overcome by increasing the
size of the antenna, but the increased input would then increase the
distortion products again, cancelling the linearity advantage.

It is certainly an interesting circuit, if for no other reason than it
enables useful output from the valve with extremely low supply voltage,
thus allowing a low-impedance load to be driven relatively efficiently,
as in the audio amp at the URL you gave - but I think the low gain
negates any advantage as a preamp.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Dear LF Group,

Will try running the beacon again tonight from about 0000 to 0500utc,
hopefully. QRG will be 137.773kHz again, sending QRSS60. Any reports
very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Dear LF Group,

I transmitted QRSS60 last night at about 1W ERP on 137.773kHz, between
0000 and 0400utc - Only other station seen was VO1NA, within about 0.1Hz
of the nominal 137.777kHz, with a good "O" copy signal at around
0300utc. Noise level was quite high.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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--On 05 September 2003, 16:48 +0100 james moritz <J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk>
wrote:r
 
> I hope to be running some QRP GPS locked PSK tests this evening. I will
> start at 1900utc, with 10W TX, and reduce power every 1/2 hour by 5dB, ie.
> 1900 10W, 1930 3W, 2000 1W, 2030 300mW, 2100 100mW, 2130 30mW. All reports
> will be very welcome.
> 
I forgot to say QRG will be 137.500kHz, bit period 10s as before

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Having trouble keeping in touch at the moment, due to a computer meltdown.
Didn't loose anything too vitally important, but I think I have lost some
LF group emails, along with those I had saved, so if anyone has contacted
me recently and not received a reply, please try again! Hopefully, things
will be back to normal by monday.

I hope to be running some QRP GPS locked PSK tests this evening. I will
start at 1900utc, with 10W TX, and reduce power every 1/2 hour by 5dB, ie.
1900 10W, 1930 3W, 2000 1W, 2030 300mW, 2100 100mW, 2130 30mW. All reports
will be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Dear LF Group,

As a "confidence check" of the GPS time/frequency standard stability, I 
monitored the phase of MSF relative to the standard's 10MHz output. MSF was 
received using an SPM-19 selective level meter, with the 10MHz standard 
driving the external reference input, and the 10kHz IF output of the SLM 
was compared on a 'scope with the 10MHz signal divided by 1000. This allows 
you to see a phase change of a few degrees. So far, over about 24 hours, 
there has been no overall phase change, indicating that the difference in 
frequency is no more than a few parts in 10^12. During daylight, there were 
practically no visible variations in phase, but at night, fluctuations of 
about +/- 10 degrees occurred over a period of several minutes, accompanied 
by the amplitude of the MSF signal varying over a range of about 3dB. My 
QTH is only about 100km from MSF, so I expect the ground wave signal 
largely swamps variations caused by changing sky-wave.

I think a DSP scheme like G4JNT is using is the best way of doing these 
phase measurements in the long run, but in the mean time, I intend to 
resurrect the "vectorscope" circuit I built a while back - this should also 
be able to remove the PSK modulation from the R4 and DLF carriers, with 
suitable choice of time constant.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU 




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again - a reason for using MailWasher, and remove the rubbish on the server - not wait until it is on your PC

73, LA8AK
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J M Nøding, Datakvalitet, TTS, Kristiansand
Telefon 0047-380-52660, 9077-7126 (QTH: 0047-380-87178)



-----Original Message-----
From: IAN KYLE [mailto:ianj.kyle@virgin.net]
Sent: 25. september 2003 12:36
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Subject: LF: Virus/worm infection.


My apologies to all. I seem to have acquired a nasty which got into the
desk-top past the anti-virus. Luckily this laptop hasn't been used for a
month so it should be OK.
Got my asbestos hat on ready for the coals of fire.

Guiltily,

Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ





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Have used MailWasher since I cannot remember - at least a year or so, and used Eremove.exe earlier

The only - small - problem is that you sometimes seem to bounce mail to your own account - since some clever SPAM providers makes it look like the SPAM is originated at your place

You may also experience that you bounce mail from your friends, because they never learn to use intelligent subjects, but fortunately for me - such English language one or two letter mediocre titles are somewhat rare.

Another problem is that you won't neccessarily trace and and mark for bounce all Korean trouble-mail, and MailWasher will not run twice within some minutes, so you could still need the second program Eremove.exe to kill those trouble-mails you didn't see in the first place

73, Jan-Martin, LA8AK
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy talbot [mailto:g4jnt@thersgb.net]


I was on the verge of cancelling this EMail account because of the amount of 
spam.  But on BBC Breakfast this morning they mentioned the MailWasher 
software.

Look at WWW.MAILWASHER.NET

This lets you go into your mail server and intercept mail before it is 
downloaded - and send back unwanted stuff as if it had never, and couldn't be, 
delivered.  Saves a lot of time downloading dubious graphical web pages only to 
be immediately deleted.

This is probably teaching most readers of this reflector to suck eggs, but I'd 
never heard of it before.....!

Andy  G4JNT





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Alan Melia schrieb:

..............
> substantial signal on my counterpoise wire when I use it
> as an aerial.


Hi Alan,

I have made some experiments with a counterpoise wire (abt 350m long).
it is vy interesting doing so. 

coincidence had it that a wire of the radial system (5 x 80m 
plus 1 x 100m grounded wires starshape central connected with each other) 
came in contact with the terminal of the counterpoise wire and coincidental 
I removed it whilst key down (abt.100W from TX): the arc was 5cm long and 
was 1mm in diameter. 

that`s an other proof of the counterpoise beeing aeriallike.

but knowing that I have to search for the amps travelling back from the 
very aerial es from the counterpoise to the TX output.

regards

Uwe/dj8wx




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Holger 'Geri', DK8KW schrieb:
.............
> my signal strength in SM is ok! 


Hi Geri,

so you did finish the new PA ?

regards

Uwe/dj8wx





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Bob

Unfortunately, no joy here in CT. Looking forward to the test in December.

Jay Rusgrove, W1VD

Vernall wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just returned home from an night at Quartz Hill.  The beacon operation
> was good from a transmission point of view, no time lost from before ZL6QH
> sunset to well after sunrise.  The DDS exciter with 0.42 Hz shift was used
> throughout.  We could have been up to 0.1 Hz high in carriers but a
> reception report suggests we were close to our notified frequencies.  Timing
> of the start of each Q was within 3 seconds of ideal "on the hour" startup,
> and each ten minutes thereafter.
>
> We copped a bad storm before dawn but it did not cause any problem for the
> beacon.
>
> We will next look through posted Argo pics, provisionally Laurence K1LX is
> best DX for last night.
>
> European amateurs could also try and work ZL6QH in the HF WAE contest.
>
> 73, Bob




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Laurence

List shows 137773.153 as south central US loran line.

Jay Rusgrove, W1VD

Laurence KL1X wrote:

> This is excellent Steve - It will be interesting to compare path profiles
> between BC and Alaska for the next couple of weeks. /
>
> I rechecked my PC time and DCF39 did in fact come up at the same time as the
> daybefore, just after my dusk, fade out here was within a minute of Sunday
> at 0523Z a few mins past Mageburgs sunrise.
>
> Signals from DCF39 peaked from 0330 to 0450Z - up about 4 dBs average from
> the nioght before with easily audible CW levels.
>
> Nothing seen on MP/NA/XDW but I did have a carrier on 137.7732 at around
> 0437 - anyones?
>
> Station now being packed up...and start homeward bound tomorrow morning.
>
> For those that put signals up thanks...
>
> Laurence KL1x/ti3
>
> >From: "Steve McDonald" <jsm@gulfislands.com>
> >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >Subject: LF: DCF39 in B.C.
> >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:16:50 -0700
> >
> >First time ever for DCF39 tonight - faded up for ~ 30 mins from 0340 -
> >0400Z....hopefully it will be back before sunrise in EU.
> >
> >Steve / VE7SL
> >
> >'THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK' :     http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Please excuse the typo on my last message.
Laurence is on 137.7735 kHz.

Joe




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Unfortunatley, nothing other than noise in Newfoundland
on 137.735 kHz this morning. Strangely, the LORAN lines
(and CFH) get quite strong just after sunrise.

Joe VO1NA





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Many thanks to John W1TAG for the frequency report (0.07 Hz low)
and to Alan G3NYK for the ARGO capture.  The signals look a lot
cleaner without the drift I was getting from the Pegelsender and
the TXCO seems to be working well.

I had a lot of QRM and did not see any replies on 135.922 kHz
but will try again tonight.

Cheers
Joe VO1NA




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Dear Group,

Before I get any smart replies, I made an error in my last message.
Will be on tonight the 16th and not the 15th!

Cheers
Joe




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137.777 kHz +- 0.2 Hz starting at 2300UTC 15 Sept.
QSX 135.922 kHz +- 1.5 Hz.

Reception reports and frequency measurements will be
very welcomed.

Cheers
Joe





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Nil here but at least I got the outside loop back in peak
form for the fall.

Joe VO1NA





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Laurence,

Nothing last night, though there may have been something on 773.50 in the
hour before my sunrise this morning. Will keep watching.

John Andrews, W1TAG





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I in no way associate myself with G3KEV's response to my message.

John Andrews, W1TAG




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Laurie,

> I absolutely agree! but thought it worthwhile to show it, since I have not
> seen anything so close to that frequency before.
> I will continue to monitor ,and who knows.

Now you've ruined it! I was going to sit down with a bottle of my favorite
adult refreshment and look for X's and D's and W's.

Conditions seem really wiped out here tonight, so I won't offer much
competition.

John Andrews, W1TAG





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Laurie,

No offense intended, but other than the correctness of the frequency, is
there anything in that shot that identifies XDW?

John Andrews





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Quite noisy here last night, thus no luck on XDW. 

John Andrews, W1TAG




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Laurence,

> WD2XDW CW/QRSS120  137.77350 Khz 400W Anchorage  beacon will be off air
from
> +- 0001Z 27th October 2003 Until advised.

September or October?

John Andrews, W1TAG




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Seeing VO1NA on 137.77699 (aw, heck... call it 137.777) and MP on 137.78086
kHz tonight at 22:40 UTC.

John Andrews, W1TAG





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Laurence,

I did a QRSS120 run overnight, but nothing seen from Alaska. At least my
friendly Loran line on 774.03 stays nice and bright at the lower speed! Will
keep trying as wx permits. The U.S. east coast reception will be noisy for a
few days because of the hurricane, I'd guess.

John Andrews





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Am seeing VO1NA on 137.77693 and MP on 137.77961 tonight at 0120 UTC.

John Andrews




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I had some blips on the screen around 0830 UTC that m-i-g-h-t have been
ZL6QH, but there's no way to tell. So I join Jay and the others in reporting
no reception.

John Andrews, W1TAG





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Jim,

Nothing seen on 137.773 through 0200. Will leave the capture running
overnight.

John Andrews, W1TAG





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Jim,

> I transmitted QRSS60 last night at about 1W ERP on 137.773kHz, between
> 0000 and 0400utc -

On behalf of a number of muted Yanks whose government prefers that they
spend time listening, please let us know when such events are happening! We
really do need the diversion...

John Andrews, W1TAG





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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>

> Now, anybody got a spare 20 miles or so of old telephone pole-line in the
> middle of a desert??
No, but I do have access from time to time to several km of disused railway
line (the rails are still there).

73
John Rabson G3PAI




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Hoi

Ben je naam even kwijt, maar je vroeg om rapporten.
Zie je net voorbij gaan met PA3EGO etc etc rond 137336
Signaal is -16.5 dB hier door statische regen heen.

Ga volgende keer rond 137700 zitten is makkelijker voor mij.

73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 

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On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:43:36 +0100, Alan Melia wrote:
Hi all. Similar results to Mike here. I saw a constant carrier from 2053 to
2120z a few Hz off the nominal declared frequency, but no signs of any
signals even at 60sec slow dot mode. Conditions were good last night so it
was not a propagation wipe-out.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK    JO02PB
alan.melia@btinternet.com

Alan and all,
Sunday night around 19:12 another signal popped out of the noise on 137000 Khz
.
Faint signal showing S P - - - - Z C C O  to disappear again at 19:17
Was it someone playing realstuff at CFH?

 73 Ko, NL9222 
  
        



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Mitch:

Gord has been trying to get in touch with you for a long time, many 
attempts, please get back to him.

and Joe, VO1NA, if you have access to Mitch via LWCA or any other route 
please forward this email to him.....

Thanks,   Larry, VA3LK



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FLight from Anchorage to LA - viz aurora to north/north east wide fast 
moving bands/veils. I guess it was in its "normal" quietish location, but my 
sigs still would have to go thru/undertowards Eu/East coast US. Lets hope 
for continued low Kps.

Laurence KL1x @ LAX Int airport on route XE..



>From: "Laurie Mayhead" <laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk>
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>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:51:56 +0100
>
>Hi All,
>Was anyone transmitting on 137,775.6 last night from about 0100 to 0700 ?
>Could have been distant Loran, since it faded in and out, there seemed to 
>be
>approx 60 sec. bursts of carrier, but no intelligence.Very much like the
>signal on .773 the other night.
>Laurence, back to 137,773.5 tonight. Kp has been low for 3/4 days so condx
>could be good.
>73 Laurie.
>
>

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WD2XDW
137.77350 Khz QRSS 120  will be (relays willing) back on at 0001Z 30th Sept 
03
Laurence KL1X

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wd2xdw  temp closed down at 0017Z 27th Sept
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Its just great to see people looking for the beacon! Ive learnt in my 
engineering (sic) career is never to say never, especially when it comes to 
propagation.

Ive just kicked the W@G (switched it off and on again) and Im back on 
137.77350  at 0001Z 26th
The good news is that the aerial current is up ie total R is lowering... 
perhaps its the rain, or perhaps its the rain of leaves, or perhaps its the 
sap figuring out that snow isnt nice...

Laurence KL1X.. Anchorage..


>From: "Laurie Mayhead" <laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk>
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>Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
>Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:11:27 +0100
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
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>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:31 PM
>Subject: LF: Re: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
>
>
> > Laurie,
> >
> > No offense intended, but other than the correctness of the frequency, is
> > there anything in that shot that identifies XDW?
> >
> > John Andrews
> >
> > Hi John,
>I absolutely agree! but thought it worthwhile to show it, since I have not
>seen anything so close to that frequency before.
>I will continue to monitor ,and who knows.
>73 all, Laurie.
> >
> >
>
>

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Thanks Laurie/Peter

I just checked the logs and my tx freq at 0300Z was 137.77350 =-+0.01Hz, it 
flipped at 07:45:30Z when it came up on 137.77343 and is still there at the 
moment (the W@G  source does this for some reason!) - I wish I could control 
it more and then I could use it for DFCW! I was working in the radio room at 
that time and flipped off the rx for about an hour at around 0430Z to go 
hunting for NDB's for Steve Ve7SL.

If you goto my home page and click on the Argo containing 773.5 (argo2) and 
select/click 25th Sept, jpeg "760" you could match up with what youve got, 
the load is a bit slow as its coming directly from my laptop. My timing is 
within 1 second as of this morning.

Aerial current at the time was 3.4A, raining heavily but good SWR/load.

I looked at dcf39 captures as a comparison (again you can click on the argo 
screen for 1830Hz and select the appopriate file) - I (argo) could detect 
DCf39 at 0300Z but signals were very weak, about say, 40db down on when I 
saw you in Feb.

Thanks for the best wishes - the beacon will be going off on Friday as the 
room where the TX is, is a "ballroom" and will be used for 'dancin' !

Whilst looking for NDB's last night Im noticing that Im picking up internal 
electrical noiz in the tx ae/co from my cooling fans (rf whirring) and PSU 
spurs when using the internal TX LPF (used on receive). I disconnected the 
aerial and terminated in 50 ohms but could still  hear PSU fan/noiz on the 
RX   It could be its been there all the time but does need investigation - 
its not knocking the s/n much on 137Khz giving the overall noiz figure, but 
I do need to eliminate it.

Keep on looking!~

Laurence KL1X
raining and snowing



>From: "Laurie Mayhead" <laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk>
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>Subject: LF: Re. WD2XDW Beacon
>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:05:10 +0100
>
>Hi Lawrence and congratulations.
>You might be interested in the attached seen on your freq.this morning at
>3am.
>73 Laurie
><< Alaska.jpg >>


>From: "g3ldo" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
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>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:53:46 +0100
>
>
>Laurie Mayhead said:
>
> > You might be interested in the attached seen on your freq.this morning 
>at
> > 3am.
>
>I had left the receiver on most nights but last night I came in late and 
>was
>reluctant to put the antenna up in the dark - so I wasn't looking.
>I will be looking tonight. If the LF band is open to KL7 then it will be
>interesting to see how much better Laurie's big loop receiving is compared
>with mine.
>
>Regards,
>Peter, G3LDO
>
>e-mail <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
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Thanks to all for the congrats on my promotion from General Single to 
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Hey your on the Ball John!!  Off air 27th Sept until advised.


More than likely back on the 29th September 2003 sometime....

Thanks

Laurence

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>event
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>Laurence,
>
> > WD2XDW CW/QRSS120  137.77350 Khz 400W Anchorage  beacon will be off air
>from
> > +- 0001Z 27th October 2003 Until advised.
>
>September or October?
>
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WD2XDW CW/QRSS120  137.77350 Khz 400W Anchorage  beacon will be off air from 
+- 0001Z 27th October 2003 Until advised.

The owner is getting married on the 28th Sept (Z time)  in the house and 
doesnt want the 81dBa fan noise/HP transformer hum to obscure the "I do" 
bit.

Thats unless there is a sudden and huge 137 Khz  opening to W East coast and 
or ZL or Europe in which case I might postpone the marriage (only kidding 
Sheri)

Ill advise when the beacon is back on, likely 29th



Mexican receive expedtion

KL1X will be operational listening part time from the Pacific coast of 
Mexico from 30th Sept till 8th October during mutually dark Pacfic and East 
coast and Europe periods (when he can get away with it).

Its likely that operations will be /mobile to get out into a quieter 
location. Will monitor with 4 Argo windows - DCF39, 137.777, 137.780 and 
137,7726-137,7746 Khz all dot 60  using "ears" and Argo per the other times. 
Receive will be an L400 Eprobe, FT817, Dell with tri mag mount on an Avis 
rent-a-car.....the car with the mag mount/L400 does look a bit sinister so 
if I get arrested....


Laurence, Snowy Hilled Anchorage KL1X

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Lovelu Aurora this morning - overhead,pulsing and fast moving at 0530AK.

Think we had short partial callsign from  vo1na at Alaskan dusk other night, 
  but all quiet at the moment - thanks for the freq check.

Laurence KL1X
wd2xdw 137.7735


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>Seeing VO1NA on 137.77699 (aw, heck... call it 137.777) and MP on 137.78086
>kHz tonight at 22:40 UTC.
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>
> > Am seeing VO1NA on 137.77693 and MP on 137.77961 tonight at 0120 UTC.
> >
>

Thought I actually had MP until I found out it was a weak spur from Canadian 
West doing an impression of a QRSS signal coming out of the noise on 
137,779633....

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thanks John - Geo is up and that really hits us quick up here - but will 
keep on blasting away. Nothing copied in ZL either!

Laurence


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>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:00:47 +0100
>
>Laurence,
>
>I did a QRSS120 run overnight, but nothing seen from Alaska. At least my
>friendly Loran line on 774.03 stays nice and bright at the lower speed! 
>Will
>keep trying as wx permits. The U.S. east coast reception will be noisy for 
>a
>few days because of the hurricane, I'd guess.
>
>John Andrews
>
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Thanks for the freq check John - Im happier gazing at the screens knowing 
the signals are in there somewhere! DCF39 is making a morning rise in signal 
- it became "vizible" at arounf 0430Z
Laurence KL1X


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>Am seeing VO1NA on 137.77693 and MP on 137.77961 tonight at 0120 UTC.
>
>John Andrews
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Its definately getting autumnal - already on my 6th load of leaf removal and 
the squirrels have just stopped swearing at me.

- DCF39 has been "visible" at dot 60 since around mid afternoon 1530 (2330Z) 
local and is current bumping along the noise floor at my dusk (0445Z ish).

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Tx freqs - I make QH  +-0.01Hz - thats taking the Loran line between as a 
reference

Hi - 137,789.12  KHz
low 137,788.70

Loran line ref 137,788.945 from  "7690" Gulf of Alaska

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Quartz Hill test -

Aquisition/first detection was around  0724Z with a slow ramping up in 
signal over an hour and continuous until 0910Z

Short fade from 0910-0940Z (still just vizible at dot 120)

Strong (sudden) increase of signal (rapid fade up) at around 0949Z and near 
continuous good signals detection from then till now at 1420z.

Im now 1 hour from Alaska local sunrise and the signal is building again.

Attachment is snap of strongest period so far, Loran line is on 137,788.945 
between QH signal.
"Live" shot of QH etc on the web site.

Ill put XDW back on when I lose QH.....just found a dimmer switch left on 
too....

Laurence KL1X, BP41 Anchorage.
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Bob what was your Tx power (ip) and antennae, and aerial current etc - if 
this has been sent before my apologies -

cheers Laurence (missed the last test by 1 day)


>From: "Vernall" <vernall@xtra.co.nz>
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>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:39:07 +1200
>
>Hi all,
>
>ZL6QH will carry out a ZL all-night beacon transmission, on Saturday 13
>September, using the same format as previous times, with 120 second dot
>length and 0.42 Hz FSK, with transmission code repeated QQQQQ.... as [hi hi
>lo hi key up] :
>hi = 137.7890 kHz
>lo = 137.7886 kHz
>
>Timing will be such that the start of a Q coincides with the hour, and 
>there
>are six Qs per hour.
>
>The DDS exciter has a frequency shift of 0.42 Hz, and the tones should be
>within 0.1 Hz of the declared frequencies.  If the SSB backup exciter needs
>to be called upon, the frequency shift is 0.4 Hz.
>
>Nomimal sunset at ZL6QH on 13 September is 0600 UTC
>Nominal sunrise at ZL6QH is 1830 UTC
>
>We will probably have the beacon running well before sunset, and also let 
>it
>run well past sunrise.
>
>Will be get a report from further away than The Americas?  Good luck.
>
>73, Bob ZL2CA
>
>
>
>

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Made its first pre Eu dawn appearance peak this morning at 0439Z - and its 
still gaining strength. Autumn is on its way....

Laurence KL1X
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Transpolar/TranAtlantic conditions to Europe (and the L48 states) from 
Alaska are still " too early" and we are probably a month before any good or 
better returns - I hope Im proven wrong. I hope too that the company forgets 
Im here and I can continue flowing amps until the leaves have fallen and it 
starts to snow. I think North South Paths are more open, and are "better" 
overall, and I was hoping to have seen the XDW beacon in Costa Rica but it 
tripped - I was actually quite confident I would  have detected it.

If I take DCF39 as a very rough  baseline we have only just seen it appear 
at night time on the 9th Sept for the first time since losing it in  Spring, 
and I can only just detect it at dot 60, we will probably need to get an 
improvement in propagation paths by some 40-45dBs for Europeans to be seen 
and maybe heard. Do NOT let this stop you for looking for that DX - as Ive 
found out strange things happen.

Ive never seen CFH yet but I need to spend more time between my morse 
characters.

I dont know about the US East coast from here,and dont have enough empirical 
measurements to figure when and if Ill see Mitch et al or when they will see 
me. The Alaska to East Coast US path maybe more difficult than you imagine - 
the distances to NY and NC are comparable with Europe and still hit the 
Auroral Zones for most of the time. (Yep I beam NE to get to most of the NE 
US States).

After discussions with Alan and others it looks like signals from Temperate 
climes into the Equatorial regions (North South and SE/NW so far) are good 
or better than imagined/envisaged and that only local QRN is the limiting 
factor. Even so the FFT programs such as Arog/Spectran really do help. There 
are seasonal factors of course and, as  ever, my comments realte from short 
periods of listening , in the summer, with limited real estate and less than 
perfect set ups at the remote ends. If there was one things Id do is turn 
off the AGC especially if your in the tropics!



Good luck Gary

Laurence KL1X



>From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@talkgas.net>
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>Subject: LF: RE: re DCF39
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:38:33 +0100
>
>Hi Alan and all at LF,
>
>Checked CFH last night after Alans comments, looked at captures this 
>morning
>(Wed 10/09/2003)and CFH first seen at about 2300 utc (Tues night)good
>strength most of time, some sharp fading later and finally faded out at
>about 0625 utc this morning. I will try looking for WD2XDV beacon.
>
>Using G3LNP loop at 15 feet above ground and Yaesu FT747GX with Spectrum
>Lab, my location north west England.
>
>Regards
>
>Gary  G4WGT
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
>Sent: 09 September 2003 09:52
>To: LF-Group
>Subject: LF: re DCF39
>
>
>Hi Steve, yes things are improving a little now, CFH was a good signal here
>last night but was a bit "peaky" with some sharp fades. Good levels were 
>not
>present for as long as on your DCF39 plot. Thanks for the gen.
>
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>alan.melia@btinternet.com
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WD2XDW returned at 2109Z Tuesday 9th . Sheri reset the "hardfault" indicator 
and the beacon has come up. 137.77350. QRSS60. Dont know what tripped it but 
it want VSWR!

good luck Jim -

Laurence KL1X/5  Houston Int airport on route North.




>From: "James Moritz" <J.R.Moritz@herts.ac.uk>
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>
>Dear LF Group,
>
>Will try running the beacon again tonight from about 0000 to 0500utc,
>hopefully. QRG will be 137.773kHz again, sending QRSS60. Any reports
>very welcome.
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
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Now Im back on high speed internet I can see wd2xdw beacon Tx tripped at 
around 0530Z Sunday morning and hasnt restarted.

Ill see if Sheri has plugged her hair dryer in to my Insts socket!

Laurence KL1X-TI3 San Jose Int airport

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This is excellent Steve - It will be interesting to compare path profiles 
between BC and Alaska for the next couple of weeks. /

I rechecked my PC time and DCF39 did in fact come up at the same time as the 
daybefore, just after my dusk, fade out here was within a minute of Sunday 
at 0523Z a few mins past Mageburgs sunrise.

Signals from DCF39 peaked from 0330 to 0450Z - up about 4 dBs average from 
the nioght before with easily audible CW levels.

Nothing seen on MP/NA/XDW but I did have a carrier on 137.7732 at around 
0437 - anyones?

Station now being packed up...and start homeward bound tomorrow morning.

For those that put signals up thanks...

Laurence KL1x/ti3


>From: "Steve McDonald" <jsm@gulfislands.com>
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>Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:16:50 -0700
>
>First time ever for DCF39 tonight - faded up for ~ 30 mins from 0340 -
>0400Z....hopefully it will be back before sunrise in EU.
>
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DCF39 appeared a little later at 0109Z Monday but it is stonger by a few dbs 
after the first hour. Audible CW detectable strength between the crashes.

Rain has just stopped but QRN is fairly high - this is not spoiling the 
receiving!

Cheers

Laurence KL1X/TI3

>From: "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>
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>Hi Laurence, I dont know whether it is a good omen for tonight. But I can
>see CFH on the vertical wideband display of ARGO as at 2110z. This is much
>earlier than it has appeared before this month and there is quite a lot of
>static and local qrm. I have just checked and that is received on the 
>indoor
>loop, it is not visible on the inverted L yet!! So have faith in your loop
>!!
>
>Conditions are still quiet, with the Kp at a maximum of 3 over the last 48
>hours. There was an X-ray flare at about 1400z ish but it was only at
>Class-C5.0 so should not produce any significant long-term radio effects.
>
>Good Luck to anyone trying the path.
>
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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DCF39 first visible dot60 at 0006Z sunday and gaining strength.
Gee its nice to see something on the screen.
Heavy QRN, heavy rain for last 8 hours.
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Mine too! (!!) Laurence http://www.kl1x.com

(nice to see the beacon is still running too!)

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Costa Rica - Im here


KL1X/T13 from Turrialba EJ89DV (new maidenhead) is QRV RX 137Khz  as from 
1600Z Sat 6th Sept


Rx freqs as previously advertised.

Lovely weather in the morning here but look like Tstorms for this afternoon 
evening. Lots of storm activity to the north of here from the flight from 
Houston.

73 Laurence

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Hi All,
Was anyone transmitting on 137,775.6 last night from about 0100 to 0700 ?
Could have been distant Loran, since it faded in and out, there seemed to be
approx 60 sec. bursts of carrier, but no intelligence.Very much like the
signal on .773 the other night.
Laurence, back to 137,773.5 tonight. Kp has been low for 3/4 days so condx
could be good.
73 Laurie.




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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@charter.net>
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> Laurie,
>
> No offense intended, but other than the correctness of the frequency, is
> there anything in that shot that identifies XDW?
>
> John Andrews
>
> Hi John,
I absolutely agree! but thought it worthwhile to show it, since I have not
seen anything so close to that frequency before.
I will continue to monitor ,and who knows.
73 all, Laurie.
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Hi Lawrence and congratulations.
You might be interested in the attached seen on your freq.this morning at
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Dear all,

Today we finally succeded the LF QSO at SP5ZCC with SM6PXJ. I 
was transmitting on 136.500 30s per dot and Christer on 137.000 
with 3s per dot. Thank you Christer for the FB setup which made 
it all possible! Here I am using only a simple 'QRP' TX (150W) 
which seems not to be heard anywhere but at his great station, 
in a quiet location he lives at. If he did not put the receiver 
on-line during the weekend I would not have had a single reason 
to believe that my setup works at all... It was the first QSO on 
LF for us as well as probably the first QSO with another country 
made from SP at all on 136kHz band!

Thanks also (last but not least) to Dave, G3YXM who helped me a 
lot, starting with the super web page (my TX was based mainly on 
his descriptions) and a lot of helpful e-mails he sent to me 
when I was in trouble with finishing the TX. I would like to 
thank also OK1FIG; the loading coil was made after his design. 
OK this is not going to be Oscar Awards, so I will stop here, 
but there are many more people who helped me and even made 
interested in LF. Now it is the good time to build a better 
power supply as well as more stable VXO. I hope that soon we'll 
have a better antenna in the club as well, even though this one 
proved to radiate some of the input power.

I am looking forward to meet you all on LF one day! 

73! Marek SQ5BPM
SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club
http://www.sp5zcc.waw.pl/



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Dear all,

First of all thank you for all the reports. It seems that the 
only place we were heard was at SM6PXJ. Christer has put some 
pictures of our signal on his webpage ( 
http://www.xpress.se/~adsl1522/capture/sp5zcc/index.html ). I am 
very happy because I started to doubt whether the 
TX+coil+antenna combination work at all. Especially because my 
friend in the centre of Warsaw didn't copy me at all (now I know 
that probably due to QRMs). SP2PZH was not transmitting this 
Saturday at all due to some unexpected work duties.

Now I know that 150W is not enough. This "low power" is due to a 
power transformer 12V/20A which I simply had and the whole TX 
has been built around it. With 2 pairs of IRFP450 FETs currents 
above 12A are impossible. At least in my configuration FETs 
start to dissipate a lot of heat + less voltage goes to the 
output transformer, thus further increasing of power is 
impossible (at 12A at least 2V out of 12V are left on FETs). 
This week I plan to build a new power supply, with voltage 
around 60-70V which will probably work much better.

I am sorry, this is my "first try" TX and it works even better 
than I thought. As for the QRG - I had two quartz crystals in 
my "parts box", one at 10.000MHz and the second at 11.350MHz (I 
use the frequency difference). The VXO starts to work unstable 
above 1.37MHz (10MHz quartz is working at 9.98MHz then), that's 
why we have set this unsusual frequency for sked. I am sorry if 
that caused some troubles. I will build the VXO once again, now 
better screened etc. 

The antenna here is a rebuilt 160m dipole ca. 15m heigh 
(two "arms" were shorted) and a wire has been put, not totally 
vertical, of a total length around 50m. Grounding is a normal HF 
grounding plus 20m of 3mm copper wire put 5cm deep into the 
ground. Receiver is FT-990 with a typical two-stage bandpass 
filter with a pre-amplifier on BF245 and an emitter follower.

That is our equipment for now. We hoped to make some QSOs with 
this and it almost happened today. Of course, for serious work 
something new will be built as soon as possible!

Again thanks to everyone for trying, all the best and CU on the 
air! The 136kHz chapter has just started in Poland! 

vy 73! de Marek SQ5BPM
SP5ZCC Scouts Radio Club
http://www.sp5zcc.waw.pl/


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Hi Hugh,

The "pot-core" was a very characteristic name for former round ferrite types
18 x11, 26 x 16 etc. Because of  "butterfly" style of R and RM cores it is
better not to call them as pot-cores.  Siemens , Philips and other
manufactures talk then only about RM- core not pot-cores.

73 Matti/OH2ZT
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> Hi Group
> While pondering a filter design and playing with a pot core type
inductor...
> RM6 / RM10 etc.
> I wondered: "Why is it called a pot core - it doesn't look much like a pot
> ?"
> Anyone know how the pot-core got it's name ?
> Silly, I know, but one does like to know these things ...
> 73
> Hugh M0WYE
>
>
>





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Hi all,


Does anybody know what's happened to the "lofexp" mailing list on
Yahoo groups? Had a look at its message archives a few weeks ago, but
now it seems to be gone. Anybody?

-- 
vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael




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On 22 Sep 2003 at 16:30, Hugh M0WYE wrote:

> While pondering a filter design and playing with a pot core type inductor...
> RM6 / RM10 etc.
> I wondered: "Why is it called a pot core - it doesn't look much like a pot
> ?"
> Anyone know how the pot-core got it's name ?
> Silly, I know, but one does like to know these things ...

I always understood this was short for "potted", and presumably refers 
to the complete encapsulation of the inductance in ferrite that occurs in 
most 'pot cores'. It may also be connected with the ceramic (ie pottery) 
mixed with iron dust to make the ferrite.

Mike, G3XDV
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Nothing seen of the ZL sunrise / UK sunset tests. 

I have also re-checked my previous possble sighting and do not believe 
it was ZL6QH.

Thanks, guys, for the opportunity to look for you. Better luck next time.

Mike, G3XDV
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I monitored for ZL6QH and something came up exactly on his 
frequency (137.7890kHz) at 0615UTC. It can be seen about 70% across the screen and just the Loran line. 
Difficult to make anything of it, though, and nothing seen on the lower 
FSK frequency.

It is interesting to see the noise level reduce steadily to the left of the 
picture.

It looks like better signal-noise discrimination may come with using a 
90s dot setting when the signal elements will appear longer.

Will look this evening, but I expect TV QRM to be worse.

Mike, G3XDV
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> I've been looking for WD2XDW most nights recently, still nothing but the DX
> Loaran lines are staying in longer and getting clearer by the day.
> Dave G3YXM

Exactly the same here.

Mike, G3XDV




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On 10 Sep 2003 at 21:11, Alan Melia wrote:

> Finbar has also had reasonable success
> with a form of Beverage (no, not Jameson's) 900 feet long run about 5 foot
> in the air down the beach. It only worked in some directions, which is odd
> because a Beverage is not supposed to work at all over good ground (like
> sea-water).

Ah, but at less than one-sixth of a -wavelength long it wasn't really a Beverage, was it? 

Mike, G3XDV
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On 4 Sep 2003 at 8:30, Dave Pick wrote:

> Marek SQ5BPM will be testing on 136.500 on Saturday (6th Sept)
> 19.00z - CW,
> 19.20z - 3s dots,
> 20.00z - 30s dots,
> 21.00z - 120s dots.
> He hopes to get a report from SP2PZH but more distant reports would be very
> welcome. The choice of frequency is due to technical limitations.
> 
> 73
> Dave G3YXM.

Nothing heard / seen here under S9 QRN. Only a permanent carrier 
2Hz low from about 2000.

Mike, G3XDV




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with so many people having web accessed screen grabbers, should we be
looking to get them all displayed live and simultaneously on one web site.

Then if we wished to carry out specific propagation tests we could focus on
the same frequency segment with several screen grabbers from different
locations.

Hope the coming season is fun for everyone 
regards
peter G8AFN

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Dave Pick g3yxm@wireless.org.uk
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 11:03:10 +0100
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Grabber running


Mine is also running most of the time at http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab

73
Dave G3YXM.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <holger.kinzel@qru.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Grabber running


> Hello Chris,
>
> your grabber works fine, it was nice to see my own callsign appearing on
the
> screen shwoing me that my signal strength in SM is ok! I plan to use this
> grabber in the future to see what minimum power level is really needed.
>
> Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christer Andersson" <050140599@home.se>
> To: "RSGB_LF_group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:57 AM
> Subject: LF: Grabber running
>
>
>
> http://www.xpress.se/~adsl1522/capture/
>
> Highly experimental grabber running on 136.5 over the weekend.
>
> /Christer
> SM6PXJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Bob,

Nada.  Just too noisy here still.  Next time maybe.

        Cheers,

                Steve    W3EEE


9/13/2003 10:32:15 PM, "Vernall" <vernall@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I've just returned home from an night at Quartz Hill.  






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. . . has just made a big and early start here.

        73

                Steve

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I'm relaying this from the European VHF Reflector.
I have also sent a message of support to the following address:

SEC.Webmaster@noaa.gov

 I suspect the more people that voice support the better. It only takes a
moment!

Steve / VE7SL

.......................................................

Hi fellow hams,

 From SEC, Bolder Colorado, I received this note:

>
> Thank you for your kind words and for your efforts on SEC's behalf.
> Every
> note about how you use SEC data and what it would be like to lose our
> service will help us in convincing others that we have vital work to
> do.
>
> Thank you so much for your support.
>

I just want to make sure that all of us realize which services are
getting lost. The consequences not only affect the scientific community
- amateur radio is seriously affected too. In Aurora dx communication,
for example, we will have no more solar wind data, no more IMF data, no
more dx analyses refering to actual scientific information, no more
Aurora alarming services etc. etc. - good-bye Aurora amateur
propagation studies, good-bye to the following webpages:

SEC Portal: http://sec.noaa.gov/
Today's Space Weather: http://sec.noaa.gov/today.html
Space Weather Now: http://solar.sec.noaa.gov/SWN/index.html
ACE Solar Wind data: http://sec.noaa.gov/ace/ACErtsw_home.html
Auroral Activity Report: http://solar.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/index.html
Planetary K Index: http://sec.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html
and many more scientific information accessed by thousands of radio
amateurs ....

Is this what you want to have? If not, read the above message from
Bolder again ...

73,
Volker (DF5AI)







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First time ever for DCF39 tonight - faded up for ~ 30 mins from 0340 -
0400Z....hopefully it will be back before sunrise in EU.

Steve / VE7SL

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I know that this has nothing to do with LF, but a number
of the LFers were at the CARC microwave round table,
and I suspect that there may be a wider interest amongst
this group in the optical communications systems
demonstrated at the event.

I have placed some photos of the event on my web server.

http://g3ysx.homeip.net/uwrt/Thumbnails.html

73

Stewart G3YSX







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Jim

See inline:

James Moritz wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant
> Sent: 12 September 2003 09:20
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> Subject: LF: Inverted tube amplifier
> 
> 
> I came across an interesting concept yesterday that I thought
> worthy of further consideration for an LF active antenna. The
> so called inverted vacuum tube amplifier...
> 
> Dear Stewart, LF Group,
> 
>>>From what I could figure out over lunch - As well as reducing the value
> of mu, the value of transconductance gm will also be reduced by a factor
> equal to the "normal" mu of the valve. For a preamp, this has serious
> consequences for the noise. The noise voltage referred to the input of a
> triode is proportional to the square root of the "effective noise
> resistance"; as I recall, the ENR of a triode is approximated by about
> 2/gm. Therefore, low gm will result in high noise, as well as low gain -
> or if you prefer, the same noise but less signal at the output compared
> to normal operation.

I have no (recent) experience with valves, but with the amplifiers
we use at the moment we are not device noise limited at LF, so I
am not sure how much of a problem the increased excess noise would be.

> 
> The linearity is good because a given signal input only drives the valve
> over a small part of the characteristic curve due to the large bias
> voltage and small gain - 

Actually I think that it is a bit more subtle than that. The collegue that
pointed this out has spent a long time studying the behaviour of valves
and claims that the physics causes the transfer characteristic to be more
linear, rather than simply just relying on a smaller part of the
transfer curve.

> but this leaves you back at square one, because
> you then need to follow this input stage with enough gain to bring the
> signal level up sufficiently to drive the receiver, while maintaining
> linearity. 

But once you have done the impeadance transformation you can then put
in a filter and reduce the linearity problem to more managable proportions.

> If you could make an amplifier which would do this
> satisfactorily, you could just replace the "inverted tube" stage with an
> attenuator, with the advantage of lower noise, and even better
> linearity. The low gain and noise could be overcome by increasing the
> size of the antenna, but the increased input would then increase the
> distortion products again, cancelling the linearity advantage.
> 
> It is certainly an interesting circuit, if for no other reason than it
> enables useful output from the valve with extremely low supply voltage,
> thus allowing a low-impedance load to be driven relatively efficiently,
> as in the audio amp at the URL you gave - but I think the low gain
> negates any advantage as a preamp.

The thing that I find interesting is that it was invented by Fred Terman
who was the leading light in his field, but was never used for any
application. I think that it would be instructive to read his paper.
One reason to cast this aside in the past would be the difficulty of
getting power out of the grid structure, but we don't need any real
power, we just need to do the impedance transform into a selective
small signal stage.

73

Stewart G3YSX



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I came across an interesting concept yesterday that I thought
worthy of further consideration for an LF active antenna. The
so called inverted vacuum tube amplifier.

Consider a triode, with a positive grid and a negative anode,
with the input signal going to the anode, and the output taken
from the grid. This has a high input impeadance, very low input
capacitance, and low output impeadance. It also is more linear
than a conventional valve amplifier. These are exactly the
characteristics that are needed in an active antenna.

The downside is that although it has a power gain due to the
impeadance transformation, it has a massive voltage loss, because
in this mode the valve mu becomes 1/mu.

At low frequencies the issue with voltage probe active antennas
is not so much the voltage at the probe, but the very high
capacitive potential divider that results from the very low
capacitance of the probe, and the input capacitance of the active
device and its infrastructure. The key test therefore is whether
the voltage attenuation of the value in this mode is less than
the voltage "gain" that results from the lower input capacitance
term in the input potential divider.

Because of it's improvements in linearity, this mode is of interest
to the audio groups, particularly those interested in transformerless
valve amplifiers.

There is a writeup of the technique at

http://members.aol.com/sbench102/inverted.html

The inventor of the technique was none other than Fred Terman, who
wrote it up for proc IRE

F Terman, The inverted vacuum tube, a voltage reducing power amplifier.
Proc. Inst. Rad. Eng. 16:447-61. (1928)

In case anyone thinks that this is a misplaced April Fools Joke, there
ia also a reference to the paper in his book Radio Enginneering, although
neither of the editions that I have give any useful theory on the operation.

If anyone has access to a copy of that paper, I would appreciate a
copy, otherwise I will try to get one the next time I am in the
IEE library in London.

Stewart G3YSX





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For anyone who is interested here are some 136kHz EWE/Flag dimensions from
Floyd Koontz

The top wire is 15ft above ground and the bottom wire is 5ft above ground
the lengths 100ft - 350ft are for the top and bottom wires

Rf is feedpoint impedance and Rt is termination resistor

100ft   -66dbi,  f/b 38db   Rf =1136,  Rt=1139
150ft   -63dbi,  f/b 31db   Rf=1128,   Rt=1142
200ft   -60dbi   f/b=30db  Rf=1124    Rt=1146
250ft   -55dbi,  f/b=35db  Rf=518      Rt=522
300ft   -54dbi   f/b=40db  Rf=512      Rt=522
350ft   -53dbi   f/b=21db  Rf=445      Rt=460

Looks like 250-300 ft a good choice and a good match at 450 ohms

73s Tracey




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Hi all,

Advance notice, as some may have seen on the ZL6QH web site
http://www.zl6qh.com
we have a booking for more LF tests on the ZL nights of Friday 26, Saturday
27 and Sunday 28 December.  The Friday is Boxing Day.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Jay,

Thanks for the report.

> Unfortunately, no joy here in CT. Looking forward to the test in December.
>
> Jay Rusgrove, W1VD

Also thanks to all who have confirmed that they tried receiving the ZL6QH
beacon but received nothing useful.  Next time it may be better
............. there is only one way to find out ..........

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Hi all,

I've just returned home from an night at Quartz Hill.  The beacon operation
was good from a transmission point of view, no time lost from before ZL6QH
sunset to well after sunrise.  The DDS exciter with 0.42 Hz shift was used
throughout.  We could have been up to 0.1 Hz high in carriers but a
reception report suggests we were close to our notified frequencies.  Timing
of the start of each Q was within 3 seconds of ideal "on the hour" startup,
and each ten minutes thereafter.

We copped a bad storm before dawn but it did not cause any problem for the
beacon.

We will next look through posted Argo pics, provisionally Laurence K1LX is
best DX for last night.

European amateurs could also try and work ZL6QH in the HF WAE contest.

73, Bob




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Hi all,

ZL6QH will carry out a ZL all-night beacon transmission, on Saturday 13
September, using the same format as previous times, with 120 second dot
length and 0.42 Hz FSK, with transmission code repeated QQQQQ.... as [hi hi
lo hi key up] :
hi = 137.7890 kHz
lo = 137.7886 kHz

Timing will be such that the start of a Q coincides with the hour, and there
are six Qs per hour.

The DDS exciter has a frequency shift of 0.42 Hz, and the tones should be
within 0.1 Hz of the declared frequencies.  If the SSB backup exciter needs
to be called upon, the frequency shift is 0.4 Hz.

Nomimal sunset at ZL6QH on 13 September is 0600 UTC
Nominal sunrise at ZL6QH is 1830 UTC

We will probably have the beacon running well before sunset, and also let it
run well past sunrise.

Will be get a report from further away than The Americas?  Good luck.

73, Bob ZL2CA






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Hi all,

ZL6QH will carry out a ZL all-night beacon transmission, on Saturday 13
September, using the same format as previous times, with 120 second dot
length and 0.42 Hz FSK, with transmission code repeated QQQQQ.... as [hi hi
lo hi key up] :
hi = 137.7890 kHz
lo = 137.7886 kHz

Timing will be such that the start of a Q coincides with the hour, and there
are six Qs per hour.

The DDS exciter has a frequency shift of 0.42 Hz, and the tones should be
within 0.1 Hz of the declared frequencies.  If the SSB backup exciter needs
to be called upon, the frequency shift is 0.4 Hz.

Nomimal sunset at ZL6QH on 13 September is 0600 UTC
Nominal sunrise at ZL6QH is 1830 UTC

We will probably have the beacon running well before sunset, and also let it
run well past sunrise.

Will be get a report from further away than The Americas?  Good luck.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Hi all,

In one weeks time, ZL6QH will carry out an all-night beacon transmission, on
Saturday 13 September, using the same format as previous times, with 120
second dot length and 0.4 Hz FSK, with transmission codes QQQQQ.... as [hi
hi lo hi key up] as a repeated sequence:
hi = 137.7890 kHz
lo = 137.7886 kHz

We hope to use a DDS exciter, in which case the shift will have fractional
error from rounding to the nearest binary state.  I will see if we can
advise more precise spot frequencies by the end of the week, but in any case
we may drift by to 0.1 Hz with environmental changes (it can get cold at
Quartz Hill, state highway one was closed with snow this week !).

Nomimal sunset at ZL6QH on 13 September is 0600 UTC
Nominal sunrise at ZL6QH is 1830 UTC

We will probably have the beacon running an hour or two before sunset, and
also let it run well past sunrise.

Also ZL6QH will be active for the worked all Europe contest while the LF
beacon is on.

73, Bob ZL2CA





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Quite impressive amounts of energy are released from magnetars.  We noted the 
1998 event in the LWCA journal, The LOWDOWN.  I can't place my hands on that 
number right now, but as I recall, we reported that one researcher said the 
X-rays were strong enough to have sterilized all life from any earth-size 
planets within 2000 light-years of the event.  Wouldn't want one of those in our 
neighbourhood.

John



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Hallo koos

Bedankt voor rapport

Ik ben aan het starten met qrss hi

Mijn naam is wim de aanwijzing op mijn ontvanger was

137.7 ts2000 en nu 138.5 en hoop dat het beter gaat

fiter op 1000hz gezet zal wel te breed zijn graag

advies

Groeten wim pa3ego 73s en tot ziens.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Namens Ko Versteeg
Verzonden: zondag 7 september 2003 22:42
Aan: LF-Group
Onderwerp: LF: PA3EGO

Hoi

Ben je naam even kwijt, maar je vroeg om rapporten.
Zie je net voorbij gaan met PA3EGO etc etc rond 137336
Signaal is -16.5 dB hier door statische regen heen.

Ga volgende keer rond 137700 zitten is makkelijker voor mij.

73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222