From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20413 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 17:21:07 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 17:21:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 19280 invoked by uid 10001); 30 Aug 2003 17:21:07 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 17:20:17 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19t9NU-0002vZ-Ic for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:19:08 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.143] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19t9NQ-0002vQ-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:19:04 +0100 Received: from [80.40.54.252] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19t9NP-0005PF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:19:03 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (RSGB613192) Message-ID: <001901c36f1a$cef98e00$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20030830124931.02a8cdf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <002201c36efa$6e12a1a0$045bfea9@RSGB613192> <000401c36f09$ae1052c0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:18:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 If Droitwich is passed through a 1Hz bandwidth filter there is no sign whatsoever of the residual phase mod. I was receiving 198k this morning before deciding to change to 77.5 for the evening run. DCF77 still hadn't moved by more than 0.5 degree at 1700z. Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Melia To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests > Hi Jim's idea of monitoring Droitwich might not be so good. Don't forget > there is a 22.5deg. (or somthing like that) phase shift keying on the > carrier, for control purposes. Unlike DCF39 the residual phase shift over a > period is zero. (so I suppose it might be alright taken over a long enough > period) MSF,HBG, and DCF77 only have the on-off keying I think. On the > other hand ....there is a challenge to decode it !! > > I will be interested to see any results of phase plots as these have a > bearing on some of the skywave propagation variations I am try to > understand. With conditions as they are at present you should see some > interesting shifts over night. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy talbot" > To: > Sent: 30 August 2003 14:27 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests > > > > Just for a bit of a challenge I've just set up the receiver monitoring > DCF77 > > on 77.5kHz, with the Caesium beam turned on for the first time in over a > > year. It was very disconcerting to find that I was teh cause of the > > freqeuncy drift in last night's test ! Using just the crystal oscillator > > part of the freq standard resulted in 7*10^-10 frequency error. > > > > So far, after an hour of monitoring using a 30 second integration period, > > the vectorscope plot of DCF77 has not moved more than 0.1 degrees - and > that > > is most likely due to quantisation effects > > > > I'll leave it running over the day-night transition and see what > transpires. > > > > Andy G4JNT > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: James Moritz > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:30 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests > > > For long distance communications, it will be interesting to see what > > effect > > > sky-wave propagation has on the stability of the phase of the signal - I > > > suppose this could be investigated by looking at some of the stable > > > broadcast signals thare are around - MSF, HBG, Droitwich, etc. Using > this > > > type of system, it should be fairly easy to see the phase changes > produced > > > by the ionosphere moving around. > I hope to do some more tests during > the > > week with lower power levels, etc. > > > as G4JNT suggests. At the moment, the PSK signal is generated by simple > > > hard-wired logic - the length of the 12 bit "message" is fixed, but the > > bit > > > period can be changed quite easily. If anyone has ideas for interesting > > > experiments, please let me know. > > > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24553 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 15:18:42 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 15:18:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 13765 invoked by uid 10001); 30 Aug 2003 15:18:42 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 15:18:31 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19t7So-0001xo-ER for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:16:30 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19t7Sk-0001xf-2M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:16:26 +0100 Received: from host213-122-73-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.73.143] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19t7Si-0003TD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:16:25 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000401c36f09$ae1052c0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20030830124931.02a8cdf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <002201c36efa$6e12a1a0$045bfea9@RSGB613192> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:16:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Jim's idea of monitoring Droitwich might not be so good. Don't forget there is a 22.5deg. (or somthing like that) phase shift keying on the carrier, for control purposes. Unlike DCF39 the residual phase shift over a period is zero. (so I suppose it might be alright taken over a long enough period) MSF,HBG, and DCF77 only have the on-off keying I think. On the other hand ....there is a challenge to decode it !! I will be interested to see any results of phase plots as these have a bearing on some of the skywave propagation variations I am try to understand. With conditions as they are at present you should see some interesting shifts over night. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy talbot" To: Sent: 30 August 2003 14:27 Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests > Just for a bit of a challenge I've just set up the receiver monitoring DCF77 > on 77.5kHz, with the Caesium beam turned on for the first time in over a > year. It was very disconcerting to find that I was teh cause of the > freqeuncy drift in last night's test ! Using just the crystal oscillator > part of the freq standard resulted in 7*10^-10 frequency error. > > So far, after an hour of monitoring using a 30 second integration period, > the vectorscope plot of DCF77 has not moved more than 0.1 degrees - and that > is most likely due to quantisation effects > > I'll leave it running over the day-night transition and see what transpires. > > Andy G4JNT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Moritz > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests > > For long distance communications, it will be interesting to see what > effect > > sky-wave propagation has on the stability of the phase of the signal - I > > suppose this could be investigated by looking at some of the stable > > broadcast signals thare are around - MSF, HBG, Droitwich, etc. Using this > > type of system, it should be fairly easy to see the phase changes produced > > by the ionosphere moving around. > I hope to do some more tests during the > week with lower power levels, etc. > > as G4JNT suggests. At the moment, the PSK signal is generated by simple > > hard-wired logic - the length of the 12 bit "message" is fixed, but the > bit > > period can be changed quite easily. If anyone has ideas for interesting > > experiments, please let me know. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32247 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 13:29:23 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 13:29:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 12965 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 13:29:26 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 13:28:56 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19t5lB-00017C-4C for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:27:21 +0100 X-No-DNS-For: 212.1.130.142 Received: from [212.1.130.142] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19t5l7-000173-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:27:17 +0100 Received: from [80.40.54.113] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19t5l6-0005qD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:27:16 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (RSGB613192) Message-ID: <002201c36efa$6e12a1a0$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20030830124931.02a8cdf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:27:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Just for a bit of a challenge I've just set up the receiver monitoring DCF77 on 77.5kHz, with the Caesium beam turned on for the first time in over a year. It was very disconcerting to find that I was teh cause of the freqeuncy drift in last night's test ! Using just the crystal oscillator part of the freq standard resulted in 7*10^-10 frequency error. So far, after an hour of monitoring using a 30 second integration period, the vectorscope plot of DCF77 has not moved more than 0.1 degrees - and that is most likely due to quantisation effects I'll leave it running over the day-night transition and see what transpires. Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: James Moritz To: Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests > For long distance communications, it will be interesting to see what effect > sky-wave propagation has on the stability of the phase of the signal - I > suppose this could be investigated by looking at some of the stable > broadcast signals thare are around - MSF, HBG, Droitwich, etc. Using this > type of system, it should be fairly easy to see the phase changes produced > by the ionosphere moving around. > I hope to do some more tests during the week with lower power levels, etc. > as G4JNT suggests. At the moment, the PSK signal is generated by simple > hard-wired logic - the length of the 12 bit "message" is fixed, but the bit > period can be changed quite easily. If anyone has ideas for interesting > experiments, please let me know. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29875 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 12:32:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 12:32:28 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 12748 invoked by uid 10001); 30 Aug 2003 12:32:28 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 12:32:17 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19t4sh-0000dF-Jd for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:31:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19t4sd-0000d6-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:30:59 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19t4sE-0004MK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:30:34 +0100 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19t4s9-0001Lm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:30:29 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030830124931.02a8cdf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:30:28 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <008b01c36e7c$1beb2060$045bfea9@RSGB613192> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dear LF Group, Thanks for the reports on last night's tests. It is nice to see that it is possible to maintain the timing and phase of the signal over quite long periods of time, and that Andy's demodulation scheme works first time. For long distance communications, it will be interesting to see what effect sky-wave propagation has on the stability of the phase of the signal - I suppose this could be investigated by looking at some of the stable broadcast signals thare are around - MSF, HBG, Droitwich, etc. Using this type of system, it should be fairly easy to see the phase changes produced by the ionosphere moving around. An extension of the technique would be to measure the time difference between phase transitions at TX and RX, so determining the path length - but that would be more difficult. I hope to do some more tests during the week with lower power levels, etc. as G4JNT suggests. At the moment, the PSK signal is generated by simple hard-wired logic - the length of the 12 bit "message" is fixed, but the bit period can be changed quite easily. If anyone has ideas for interesting experiments, please let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1617 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 11:40:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 11:40:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 13618 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2003 11:40:11 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2003 11:40:05 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19t43a-0000BL-9O for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:38:14 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19t43W-0000BC-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:38:10 +0100 Received: from dial81-135-37-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.135.37.100] helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19t43V-0005kf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:38:09 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000701c36eeb$2d8ea980$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:37:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: GPS Locked BPSK tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Jim you were a B I G signal here even at 10 watts, so I did not bother trying Wolfs phase-meter on you. The phase changes were just noticable on Spectran running a vertical waterfall (2.7Hz resolution). I presume you were using the "soft" phase keying. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6575 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 22:23:58 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 22:23:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 12911 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 22:23:43 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 22:23:36 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19srdu-0002eG-DK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:22:54 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.143] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19srdp-0002e7-UG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:22:50 +0100 Received: from [80.225.212.1] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19srdm-0002iw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:22:46 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (RSGB613192) Message-ID: <008b01c36e7c$1beb2060$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy talbot" To: "LF Group" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:21:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010707070102000500050900" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010707070102000500050900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Absolutely perfect copy of the GPS locked BPSK signal from Jim at the low power setting. Although, at this power the signal can still just about be detected by ear, so I'll be more convinced when the level is reduced another 10 - 20dB. The attached plot, (if it passes through the reflector) shows my reception over the period from 2100z to 2135z covering the interval when the Tx power was reduced to 10Watts. The left hand half of the screen shows the recovered phase in ten seconds units synchronised eactly to UTC and th3 transmitted data. The colour of the trace changes at each two minute boundary each time the sequence repeats. The RH side is a vectorscope plot of the signal at one second intervals (so in 1 Hz bandwidth) and shows clearly the power reduction. It is interesting to see there is a phase shift of what looks to be 15 - 20 degrees associated with the drop in power. 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[165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsrelay04.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19sqaG-00020t-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:15:05 +0100 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 21:14:32 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.38.242.52] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.11E) with ESMTP id 433HHCVoC0211M28; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:14:28 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.38.242.52 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F4FC232.5090101@usa.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:14:26 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000307030906020304020404" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000307030906020304020404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit James Moritz wrote:
> As part of some experiments with GPS-locked PSK modulation for LF, I hope to run some TX tests tonight.
> I plan to transmit on 137.5000 kHz, running high power from about 2000utc - 2100utc, and reducing power
> to about 10W (about 5mW ERP) after that for a few hours. be very accurate.

> Any reports will be very welcome.

Received your signal using just the trapped 40 - 80 m dipole and a JRC NRD525.
See the attached picture.
Sampling rate  48000 Hz  (I was testing the integrated sound chip of my new mainboard)
FFT size          524288
Resolution       0.092 Hz
The capture spans an interval of about 15 minutes, during your high power period. Some QSB is noticeable
from beginning to end.

73  Alberto  I2PHD    (locator JN45SL)


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29 Aug 2003 19:39:56 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19sp5S-0001He-Ux for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:39:10 +0100 Received: from [194.134.35.175] (helo=smtp4.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19sp5P-0001HV-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:39:07 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: savage Received: from savage (p0660.nas2-asd6.dial.wanadoo.nl [62.234.214.152]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id AE7503FFF6; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:39:04 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.0 (1640) - Licensed Version Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:36:18 +0200 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (savage) Message-ID: <2003829213618.858963@savage> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: SpectraVue 1.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear All Found one more program for watching several things coming from AE4JY. A screendump of this program is at: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/pix/specvue.gif The program wich is an evaluation version: http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/programs/specvue1.zip Moe, AE4JY can be found at: http://www.qsl.net/ae4jy/ 73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21370 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 19:19:36 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 19:19:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 4954 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Aug 2003 19:19:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 19:18:57 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19sokg-00014p-IA for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:17:42 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.113] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19soka-00014C-SI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:17:37 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: mail Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:17:05 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:17:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:17:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2003 19:17:05.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[2220EF60:01C36E62] Subject: LF: Confirmation of trip - /TI3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dear group Hope this doesnt cause to many waves of emotion....but any signals welcomed Station location - Near to Turriabla - East of San Jose, Costa Rica - elevation 1500 ft Grid app Ej89DV. Sited at CATIE (agricultural tropical university research farm artifical insemination unit (!)) Period of operation 1500 UTC Saturday 6th Sept till 2300 UTC Monday 8th Sept 03 27x7 subject to power/storms/cattle/snakes/planes and customs "Listening" on Argo and CW 3 Argo screens will be open per Ghana - 137.7725 to 137.7745 Khz dot 60, or faster - 137.7770 to 137.7802 Khz dot 60. DCF39 Rx Aerials, Eprobe and 16T (I think) 2 metre side loop (per Ghana) using pre amp, RX FT817, Argo and IBM thinkpad. Talkback on HF unlikely but Ill send another email if I get something up. Email will be Sporadic. Beacon WD2XDW will continue to be on +24hours from Alaska on 137.7735 +-0.2hz dot 60 thru this period 320W input but my IIS real time web site will be down whilst Im away/onroute (from 2nd Sept) FT817 - Peters comments- On the 817 side; this has been my main station RX this week and with the YXM preamp up front on the big aerial its performed very well. Stability has been excellent - no intermod/xmod or sproggies. Without the preamp its deaf! As you can see this is a flying visit Cheers Laurence KL1X _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11303 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 15:29:41 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 15:29:41 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 5164 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 15:29:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 15:27:12 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19sl7g-0007lT-Hu for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:25:12 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19sl7c-0007lK-I2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:25:08 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: gemini Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19sl7X-0000P2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:25:03 +0100 X-No-DNS-For: 147.197.232.252 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19sl7W-00012q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:25:02 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030829155231.02af4b10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:24:55 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: GPS-locked PSK tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 Dear LF Group, As part of some experiments with GPS-locked PSK modulation for LF, I hope to run some TX tests tonight. I plan to transmit on 137.5000 kHz, running high power from about 2000utc - 2100utc, and reducing power to about 10W (about 5mW ERP) after that for a few hours. The modulation will consist of a sequence of 12 bits, with a bit period of 10 seconds, repeating every 2 minutes. The start of the sequence will be synchronized with the utc hour, so a new sequence will begin at the start of each even minute. Both the carrier frequency and phase keying are derived via a GPS time/frequency receiver, so should be very accurate. Received aurally or using spectrogram-type software (I would suggest settings as for QRSS3), the signal will just be a carrier with "clicks" occurring at the phase transitions. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16125 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 14:22:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 14:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 20161 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 14:22:24 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 14:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 17230 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 14:04:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 14:04:23 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19sjfG-0006s7-87 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:51:46 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.148] (helo=zinc.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19sjfC-0006ry-9M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:51:42 +0100 Received: from host213-122-4-171.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.4.171] helo=Main) by zinc.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19sjfB-0005gP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:51:41 +0100 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <000d01c36e34$af5f02a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:51:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all, I humbly apologise for the following that may be regarded as spam by most !! BUT I will do anything including making myself unpopular with my dear LF friends if it aids an increase in activity on 136 !! The following is nothing to do with me, I saw it on the NG, but there is an "as new" Ropex "The First" on e-Bay with no bid yet, and asking for an opening bid of just £25. The URL is (watch for wrapping) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3043842863&category=150 2 Maybe it will encourage a new operator to try 136?? Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24507 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2003 03:22:53 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 03:22:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10594 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Aug 2003 03:22:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2003 03:22:46 -0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19sZoT-0001eS-4s for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:20:37 +0100 Received: from [206.46.170.212] (helo=pop018.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19sZoP-0001dw-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:20:33 +0100 Received: from verizon.net ([138.88.10.20]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030829032001.YBCC11703.pop018.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3F4EC682.6060609@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:20:34 -0400 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; CDonDemand-Dom) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [138.88.10.20] at Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:20:01 -0500 Subject: LF: BPL, LF and HF ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Rating: 1 http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/28/2/?nc=1 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8165 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 04:26:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 04:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 29711 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 04:26:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 04:26:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19sEKT-0007hx-3j for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:24:13 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.44] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19sEKP-0007gf-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:24:09 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:12:26 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:12:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:12:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2003 04:12:26.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[96CC6220:01C36D1A] Subject: LF: Signal UNIDb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Unidentified carrier on 137.7735 (!) Same sort of multipath variable signature of signal seen during January on 137.7745 KHz - Anybody testing? Laurence KL1X Anchorage _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26801 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 20:53:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 20:53:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 3402 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Aug 2003 20:53:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2003 20:53:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19rMed-0005EP-Ka for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:05:27 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.104] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19rMeX-0005E5-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:05:22 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:53:35 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:53:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:53:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2003 18:53:35.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[303D3A20:01C36B3A] Subject: LF: FT- 817 and next trip /TI3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I have the same experiences with my 817 and this willl save a lot of lugging 850/870's on my next trip. Talking of which. Next 137khz short expedition - Ill will be in Costa Rica /Ti3 for the 6,7th and 8th September doing a repair job to an HF system in the middle of the country for a charity. All things being equial Ill be taking my 136 Khz Ghana portable loop and will attempt to listen for anything from 137.7725 to 137.7750 Khz dot 60 +24hrs I know its a tadge noisey on the farm but I think I can null out some of the QRN/M Turriabla is surrounded my mountains and two major volcanoes to the North/NW reaching nearly 3,200 m - but its an excellent 160/80m location - the water table is only 10 foot below - this may or may not improve LF reception. Here Lf conditions continue to be poor but bits of the XDW beacon still being received in California around midnight and pre dawn (thanks Mike). Laurence KL1X _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27861 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 10:16:41 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 10:16:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13825 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Aug 2003 10:16:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Aug 2003 10:16:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19qru5-00069q-Qn for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:15:21 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19qru1-00069X-K8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 11:15:17 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7OAFBIE006190 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:45:11 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7OAFAeY026855 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:45:10 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h7OAFAoq030356; Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:45:10 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 07:45:09 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000101c3688b$5af5b1e0$1dc428c3@erica> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: FT- 817 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Peter and Group, An 817 has been used for the TA reception tests here. With a 35 dB preamp, CT1DRP was copied QRSS30 on a 1 foot diameter loop so with a preamp, the sensitivity appears to be adequate. The DDS in this radio is very stable indeed and is good for QRSS, even without the TXCO option. By the way, CFH is back on the air on this side of the pond. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25626 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2003 14:13:48 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 14:13:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28038 invoked by uid 10001); 23 Aug 2003 14:13:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2003 14:13:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19qZ7b-0002tC-7G for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:12:03 +0100 Received: from [194.134.35.176] (helo=smtp5.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19qZ7X-0002t3-Dk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:11:59 +0100 Received: from savage (p0338.nas1-asd6.dial.wanadoo.nl [62.234.209.84]) by smtp5.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 7717D76AFC for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:11:55 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.0 (1640) - Licensed Version Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <200382314115.577744@savage> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: DF3LP QRSS 10 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030800000401000809000503" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030800000401000809000503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Peter.. Ur adress did not work so sending it here. 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So I am looking for anyone who can transmit BPSK or higher level coding, locked to UTC seconds pulses, with a symbol period that can be any submultiple of two minutes, eg 5, 10, 12, 15, 20, 24, 30, 40, 60 or 120 seconds. Ideally, frequency needs to be known, and stable, to a fraction of the symbol period. My receiver uses a DDS clocked at 10MHz accurate to a few parts in 10^-10, so carrier frequency resolution is to .00233Hz (429 minutes per cycle). We'll need to agree a protocol, and start time, and the phase at the start of the transmission. The demodulation equipment is as follows : The 1kHz output from the receiver is passed through a single opamp 100Hz bandpass filter to a pair of op-amp demodulators driven from a quadrature 1kHz squarewave. The I and Q outputs are passed through a pair of 10Hz cutoff Butterworth filters to two 8 bit A/D converters inside a PIC16C71 for digitisation. Each second, timed by the GPS pulse, the PIC sums 240 readings of the I/Q outputs, the effect of the summing being to increase the resolution above the 8 bits inherent in the A/D converter. The summed result, a pair of twos complement 16 bit numbers, is output along a serial port to a PC. For completeness, the PIC also reads the NMEA output from the GPS module and uses this to initialise a modulo 120 seconds counter clocked by the 1 PPS signal. The value of this counter is also sent with the I/Q data. Summing multiple asynchronous 8 bit readings gives an increase in resolution approximately equal to the square root of the number of averaged readings used, so here the resolution is approximately equal to 12 bit coding - good for over 60dB dynamic range, particularly when receiving signals buried in noise. The PC takes in the received I/Q data and seconds count from the COM port, then depending on the integration time requested, averages the I and Q readings over the period. It uses the modulo 120 second count transmitted with the data to synchronise timing. Phase is calcluated by taking the ATAN2 function of the two integrated channels, and plotted. So, any signalling period is possible, provided it is a submultiple of two minutes which I considered to be the longest symbol period likely to be of any use. It could be increased to 4 minutes with a very minor change to the PIC software. The integration of separate one second readings is not quite ideal as an integration method over long symbol durations, but is a reasonable compromise to keep the PIC code simple and allow symbol times to be made arbitrary lengths set only in the PC. The next generation of PIC software will truly integrate over a number of selectable periods. Andy G4JNT / G8IMR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21468 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 07:19:41 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 07:19:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 6801 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Aug 2003 07:19:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Aug 2003 07:19:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19pjef-0002Hu-Bx for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:14:45 +0100 Received: from [210.86.15.144] (helo=mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pjeb-0002Hl-0R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:14:41 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20030821071408.XUGF1184.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:14:08 +1200 Received: from quaycustomer ([210.86.53.25]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20030821071407.RYTL1174.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:14:07 +1200 Message-ID: <001801c367b5$37f5c120$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030327110712.00a9e3d8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <18ygpT-1NrvtYC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:24:06 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH on 13 September Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, ZL6QH intends to carry out all-night beacon transmission on Saturday 13 September, using 120 second dot length 0.2 Hz FSK, on a selected frequency near the top end of the 136 kHz band. Details will be posted in due course. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19344 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 18:15:12 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 18:15:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 15710 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Aug 2003 18:15:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 2003 18:15:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19pXSm-0006Ua-Np for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:13:40 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.25] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pXSi-0006Tq-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:13:37 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:13:05 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:13:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:13:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2003 18:13:05.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[B38586F0:01C36746] Subject: LF: Here for longer... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false "Word" has it that Ill (the beacon) be on the air from here till at least the end of September - fingers crossed. With any luck later tonight ill have modified them system to receive between letters (maybe if the AGC on the RX/Argo dot 60 can recover) and definately between XDWs's - I think I have about a RX 4 minute break every 36 minutes at present. This mayshow DCF39 (if and when) on one screenshotjpeg and 137.772-775 on the other, and the jpegs will be, as now, uploaded to the web site automatically. Absolutely nothing seem between breaks last night - Conditions being "depressed" is an understatement. Beacon running 3A aerial current but my freq stability is off a bit it may be +-0.3hz given the temp variation. Im having fun with the main coil loadin versus FET current versus aerial current (class d/e), and the efficiency seems higher. Its getting below freezing now at night just north of here. Laurence KL1X/ WD2XDW http://www.kl1x.com _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5539 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 19:34:04 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 19:34:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 21227 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Aug 2003 19:34:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 19:34:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19pCEK-0006Zo-GG for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:33:20 +0100 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pCEG-0006Zf-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:33:16 +0100 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h7JJXC403830 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jka (208.37.242.34.ptr.us.xo.net [208.37.242.34]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a+patch04072003) id PAA03059; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004401c3668a$5470bb60$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:44:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: \LF conditions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Last night was the quietest in a long time at my QTH, but nothing was seen from AK. Aurora may have been part of the issue. Probably only a small part! John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8884 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2003 19:11:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 19:11:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 3862 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Aug 2003 19:11:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Aug 2003 19:11:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19pBne-0006Mv-Qj for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:05:46 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.59] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pBnZ-0006Mj-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:05:41 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:05:09 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:05:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:05:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 19:05:09.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF544AF0:01C36684] Subject: LF: \LF conditions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false LF "Local" to 1000Kms conditions here in Alasksa (overnight monday/tuesday) were poor. Over the border beacons in the 200Khz range were 10-20dB down, and LF 60/40Khz were very "noizy" with background hiss and to make it worse tons of t'storms. However, Mike in California still received traces of the Anchorage beacon. Cheers _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC: Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20591 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 22:49:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 22:49:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 2529 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Aug 2003 22:49:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 22:49:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19osnV-0007ix-Ni for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:48:21 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.47] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19osnR-0007io-Iu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:48:17 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 15:47:46 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:47:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:47:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2003 22:47:46.0145 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDFFF510:01C365DA] Subject: LF: wd2xdw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thanks to all for the reports - given that its still light out there till late, the K reaching nearly double digits (ok im a little high on numbers), and that the leaves havent fallen from the trees yet (but they are turning) - we are perhaps a little early for Tpol to Europe. However, as the LF ionoshpere doesnt seem to undersstand positive logic or timetables you never know.... Im still not seeing DCF39 during the night. One net affect of running the tx/blowers for 24 hours is all the spiders have moved out of the shack to another room. ;-} Laurence KL1X >From: "Ian Kyle" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5305 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 21:43:14 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 21:43:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 1772 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Aug 2003 21:43:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 21:43:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19orl2-0007MB-Dr for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:41:44 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19orky-0007M2-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:41:40 +0100 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.208.99]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030818214139.IMNJ18176.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c365c9$4484eda0$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:54:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon reports - wd2xdw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Laurence, have also been monitoring and capturing at every screenful during the bed-time hours for the last three nights but other than the occasional blip of wishful thinking all captures have proved to be only fit for the recycle bin. Nonetheless hope springs eternal and all that jazz. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18602 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 10:52:13 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 10:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 11642 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Aug 2003 10:52:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 10:52:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ohbl-00032q-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:51:29 +0100 Received: from [209.225.8.39] (helo=remt29.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ohbh-00032h-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:51:26 +0100 Received: from [66.189.53.206] (HELO johncellarnew) by remt29.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with SMTP id 113157134 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:50:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c3656e$4dbf5aa0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c36572$19277800$90e086d4@erica> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:51:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Laurence, > QRN a lot lower last night but nothing seen Same here. Looks to be quieter in the next few days. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22034 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 10:09:53 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 10:09:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26844 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 10:09:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 10:09:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ogwl-0002cy-0C for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:09:07 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ogwh-0002cp-4i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:09:03 +0100 Received: from tnt-18-144.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.144] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ogwg-000P1i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:09:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c36572$19277800$90e086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:12:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Laurence QRN a lot lower last night but nothing seen Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12598 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 08:43:40 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 08:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 20065 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Aug 2003 08:43:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 08:43:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ofas-0001wo-I3 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:42:26 +0100 Received: from [195.92.195.174] (helo=cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ofal-0001wc-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:42:19 +0100 Received: from modem-107.baragund.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.134.107] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ofak-0003np-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:42:19 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c36565$4e104fe0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:46:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re. Beacon reports-WD2XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Congratulations Laurence, it makes it all worth while when you get a report. Keep us posted on the DCF39 situation and when things perk up I will start looking . We did manage some sightings G to W, last summer (or the one before, I can't remember, Hi ) so its quite possible that there will be a window. Just hope you will still be there ! 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22015 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 07:38:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 07:38:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22826 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Aug 2003 07:38:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 07:38:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19oeaI-0001L6-Pg for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:37:46 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.96] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19oeaD-0001Km-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:37:41 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:37:09 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:37:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:37:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2003 07:37:09.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[880DF030:01C3655B] Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon reports - wd2xdw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Im hearing/seeing nothing from Eu at the moment Mike - DCF39 still only visible during daytime xray events and nothing at night- perhaps a couple more weeks....cheers. Laurence > >Congratulations on this. I am monitoring here from time to time, but >nothing >except a Loran line (?)0.5Hz LF. > >Mike, G3XDV >http://www.lf.thersgb.net >==================== > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29948 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 07:09:27 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 07:09:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 22238 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Aug 2003 07:09:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 07:09:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19oe7k-00016h-Rb for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:08:16 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19oe7g-00016Y-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:08:12 +0100 Received: from mike1 ([80.4.107.45]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030818070811.NRLX14590.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mike1> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c36557$fedf19e0$2602a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 08:11:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon reports - wd2xdw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Much better conditions over here last Night (our Saturday) - Good nearly all > night captures by Steve Ve7SL (nice jpegs on his web site) and partial > callsign from Mike KB6WFC in California at some 3273 Kms. Lets hope > conditions continue to improve - and match what you see in Europe?! > Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW anchorage Congratulations on this. I am monitoring here from time to time, but nothing except a Loran line (?)0.5Hz LF. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6297 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 04:35:15 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 04:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 2697 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Aug 2003 04:35:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 04:35:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19obhH-0000CT-Mg for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:32:47 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.73] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19obhC-0000CA-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:32:42 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:32:10 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 04:32:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 20:32:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2003 04:32:10.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[B08BD6E0:01C36541] Subject: LF: Beacon reports - wd2xdw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Much better conditions over here last Night (our Saturday) - Good nearly all night captures by Steve Ve7SL (nice jpegs on his web site) and partial callsign from Mike KB6WFC in California at some 3273 Kms. Lets hope conditions continue to improve - and match what you see in Europe?! Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW anchorage _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18890 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 18:26:42 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 18:26:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 10184 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Aug 2003 18:26:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 18:26:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19o5kK-0004fj-6s for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:25:48 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19o5kB-0004fa-9N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:25:39 +0100 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.205.41]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030816182538.IIAQ27989.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:25:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c3641b$94be4d20$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815154505.00b0a898@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:25:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Variegated witterings. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Jim; thanks for the reply to the moan. Today I had another go at the mods to the BK - with the same result. Working into a 4.7 Ohm resistor load, and driven into saturation, the waveform across the load is of a non-fuzzy, triangular - going - on - sawtooth, profile with a crossover pimple and a p -p value of only 30 V. and the current drawn by the o/p devices is pretty well balanced at about 400mA each leg at Vcc so SOMETHING is limiting the drive. I left the 39 Ohm resistors in cct and went back from 1k2 to the 4k7 originals, whereupon the o/p figures returned to normal. This afternoon I installed four Vero pins to allow rapid changes of the source resistors but it will be a day or two before I am able to fiddle about and see what happens with different values. Thanks ffor the help. Ian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3667 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 17:40:22 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 17:40:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 13745 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 17:40:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 17:40:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19o506-0004Pi-9Z for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:38:02 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.55] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19o502-0004PN-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:37:58 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:37:26 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:37:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:37:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2003 17:37:26.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F26B510:01C3641D] Subject: LF: Beacon received Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false For the Second night Steve VE7SL received signals from the WD2XDW 137.77350 beacon, but indications were that conditions were down last night. I think the distance is around 2100Kms BP41 > CN88 _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21097 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 15:22:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 15:22:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 7860 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 15:22:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 15:22:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19o2s0-0003l4-Cf for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:21:32 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19o2rw-0003kv-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:21:28 +0100 Received: from host213-122-118-39.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.118.39] helo=Main) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19o2rw-00068r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:21:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c3640a$0733ed40$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:20:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Fading article...tnx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Thanks Brian and Stewart for pointing my mistake. I forgot to check the actual link on the images. I think this must be a quirk of Front Page Express, and something to do with the default directory when you link the pages. It is some time since I posted a page last and I had forgotten the "gotcha" It should be OK now.....sorry !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7878 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 11:20:43 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 11:20:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 25340 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Aug 2003 11:20:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 11:20:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nz6I-0002bm-TL for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:20:02 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nz6F-0002bY-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:19:59 +0100 Received: from host213-122-124-208.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.124.208] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19nz6E-0003BD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:19:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c363e8$475940e0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:19:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Fading on 136kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, there have be several queries in the past about the nature of fading seen on the 136kHz band. As a result of a "classic" plot made by Brian of DCF39 on the 13th/14th of August 2003 I decided to try and analyse the causes for the deep troughs in the night-time signal strength. I have used some simple school level algebra, and a rather "naive" model of the ionosphere, to calculate the path differences between, in this case, a one-hop and a two-hop signal paths, relating that to a phase difference at 138.83khz. I some ways the results pose as many new questions as they answer. The full analysis is posted on my web site under the Propagation section. The direct URL of the page is http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/fading.htm The equations, and spreadsheet, could be applied to other combinations of paths, such as ground-wave and one-hop at distances greater than 700kms where the night-time "skywave" becomes stronger than the ground-wave component. Multiple simultaneous observations at different locations might make it possible to calculate the actual height of the "reflecting" layer. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23618 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 10:53:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 10:53:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 28620 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2003 10:53:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2003 10:53:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nyee-0002Qi-Df for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:51:28 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nyeZ-0002QZ-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:51:24 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.132]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030816105122.QDWM2678.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c363db$d3ab1c60$84cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:49:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 136 ACTY Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Good sigs this morning from SM6BHZ 599 and DK7SU 569 otherwise the band is quiet. Did work OZ8NJ and SM6PXJ also several days ago. Band condx over the summer have been good apart from the odd thunder storm.
I check the band frequently and work QSK with a 80 metre vertical loop on RX and an inv L vertical array for TX.
Rx at present HAGENUK EE430, very sensitive on LF and covers the range 10 khz - 30 mhz.The audio from the RX is followed by a DSP filter to enhance selectivity. I also monitor 7030 khz for xband calls.
73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4483 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 19:50:20 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 19:50:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 8781 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 19:50:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 19:50:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nkZa-0007Bg-Tq for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:49:18 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.82] (helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nkZX-0007BX-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:49:15 +0100 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19nkZW-0004g5-00; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:49:14 +0200 Received: from (TbyCX0ZF8e+Owx2sNvD379Cz3iy0AEc-39x9FuSpqRZPDUI7N8afYZ@[62.155.252.220]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19nkZQ-0IJ7tA0; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:49:08 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815154505.00b0a898@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:49:08 +0200 Message-ID: <19nkZQ-0IJ7tA0@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: TbyCX0ZF8e+Owx2sNvD379Cz3iy0AEc-39x9FuSpqRZPDUI7N8afYZ Subject: Re: LF: Variegated witterings. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false James Moritz schrieb: .............. ............ > My cure was to add a low-pass > filter between the matching transformer at the amp output and the coax > feeder - the usual pi-section designs won't help due to the shunt > capacitors at their input, so I used a tee configuration instead with a > series inductor at the filter input. The low-pass filter effectively > isolates the amplifier from the ipedance variations at the load. After > this, I had no trouble. I have occasionally also had problems with class D > amps and peculiar loads - these were also solved using a low-pass filter at > the TX output. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > Hi Jim, wld you pse give a detailed specification of your tee configuration with the series inductor at the filter input ? tks in advance. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8810 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 18:50:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 18:50:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21577 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 18:49:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 18:49:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19njdT-0006uE-SN for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:49:15 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.106] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19njdO-0006tw-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:49:10 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:48:38 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:48:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:48:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2003 18:48:38.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[D710D9E0:01C3635D] Subject: LF: Beacon - change in speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false WD2XDW Anchorage 137.77350 KHz will be going over to dot 60 from 0100Z Saturday 16th August until advised. We had a positive ID this morning , part call (Argo dot 3 slow, on a dot 6 transmission spped) from Steve VE7SL just before dawn, and again a little after. Laurence _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17218 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 15:54:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 15:54:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 19324 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Aug 2003 15:54:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 15:54:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ngro-00061B-Gr for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:51:52 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ngrk-000612-FY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:51:48 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19ngrg-000307-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:51:44 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ngre-0007ZZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:51:43 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030815154505.00b0a898@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:48:13 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000d01c362a3$216eb2c0$5967fea9@p4o2b7> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Variegated witterings. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 21:29 14/08/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Now the bitter bit. Things were now even worse, with it proving impossible >to get anything like the previous output figures or a decent waveform on >136 or even 73 at any over a couple of watts so I hastily put things back >the way they had been and opened the Pommeau. > >So todays puzzler is; > >How come? Anyone got any ideas? I've gone into sulk mode. > >Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ Dear Ian, LF group, The main effect of the mods I did to the Maplin audio amp (very similar to the B&K modules) is to increase the slew rate by increasing the bias current in the input stage - this increases the output voltage swing at high frequencies that the amp can achieve and hence the output power for a given load. It is not easy to see how that would reduce the output. One thing to check is that the DC bias voltages in the circuit should be roughly the same after the mods as they were before. If there is a wrong component, it is most likely that the voltage at one or more nodes in the circuit will be stuck near one supply rail or the other. In what way is the output voltage waveform not "decent"? I found that my amp had to be overdriven to get reasonable output power and efficiency, so the output voltage waveform was not very sinusoidal, although with a high Q resonant load as most LF antennas are, the current waveform will always be a nice sine wave even with really horrible driving waveforms. One possibility that springs to mind is that speeding the amplifier up has resulted in instability problems - this type of circuit, with wide bandwidth (a few MHz), and an overall negative feedback loop, is sensitive to the load impedance over a wide frequency range, not just at the operating frequency. In particular, a load which is capacitive at HF will often cause the amplifier to be unstable at some frequency due to excess phase lag introduced into the feedback loop. A series tuned antenna by itself will be inductive at frequencies above resonance, but if there is a fairly long transmission line between loading coil and TX, the shunt capacitance of the line will cause the overall load impedance to become capacitive above a few 100kHz. If matching is done using a tapped loading coil with one end grounded, this will also introduce additional resonances at higher frequencies. If the amplifier output voltage waveform is OK with a resistive dummy load (or no load at all in the case of the audio amps) but not when the antenna is connected, this is probably why. With my audio amp, I found capacitive loads either resulted in severe "ringing" at the output, or caused a blurred waveform due to the thing taking off at some unrelated frequency. My cure was to add a low-pass filter between the matching transformer at the amp output and the coax feeder - the usual pi-section designs won't help due to the shunt capacitors at their input, so I used a tee configuration instead with a series inductor at the filter input. The low-pass filter effectively isolates the amplifier from the ipedance variations at the load. After this, I had no trouble. I have occasionally also had problems with class D amps and peculiar loads - these were also solved using a low-pass filter at the TX output. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12222 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 08:32:50 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 08:32:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10718 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Aug 2003 08:32:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 08:32:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19na08-0003PD-Ma for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:32:00 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19na04-0003P4-TV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:31:56 +0100 Received: from tnt-18-25.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.25] helo=bryan2) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19na03-000IDB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:31:56 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c36307$c378ca60$19e086d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:32:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: power problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I heard it started thousands of miles away in Alaska? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Dave Pick To: LF Group Date: 15 August 2003 09:28 Subject: LF: power problems >OK admit it... > >Who fired up on 136kHz and took the entire East-coast power grid down?? > >Guess the FCC were right! ;-) > >Dave G3YXM. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15093 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 08:23:23 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 08:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 18680 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Aug 2003 08:23:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 08:23:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nZpV-0003H4-J4 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:21:01 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nZpR-0003Gu-QW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:20:57 +0100 Received: from host81-129-63-9.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.129.63.9] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19nZpR-0007jn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:20:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c36306$63b9a410$1f00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:22:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: power problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false OK admit it... Who fired up on 136kHz and took the entire East-coast power grid down?? Guess the FCC were right! ;-) Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10891 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2003 05:59:03 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 22322 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Aug 2003 05:59:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2003 05:59:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nXb1-0002as-AR for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:55 +0100 Received: from [80.237.11.62] (helo=mx.senergy.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nXax-0002aV-63 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:57:51 +0100 Received: from senergy.ru (ns.senergy.ru [213.59.156.2] (may be forged)) by mx.senergy.ru (8.12.1/8.12.3/2002121000/inode) with ESMTP id h7F5vKCk016378 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:57:20 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from grigorov@bel.ru) Received: from igor ([81.28.1.17]) by senergy.ru (8.12.1/8.12.1/2002040900) with SMTP id h7F5ugeU025009 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:56:53 +0400 Message-ID: <000501c362f2$800932c0$11011c51@igor> From: "Igor Grigorov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c360e2$114c6300$6507a8c0@Main> <000701c362a4$bfb3dc20$6ee486d4@erica> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:59:05 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RF-ammeter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LFers, Hope, awful heat do not hinder you take look at my RF- ammeter, made on the base of a transformer from an old comp PSU. I believe , the RF ammeter will do well for 136 kHz! http://www.antentop.bel.ru/prev_art.htm 73! Igor, RK3ZK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5940 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 21:32:31 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 21:32:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 15306 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Aug 2003 21:32:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 21:32:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nPge-0000LI-1A for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:31:12 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nPga-0000L9-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:31:08 +0100 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.204.133]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030814213106.BWGC23096.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:31:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c362a3$216eb2c0$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:29:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Variegated witterings. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, not long back home again after an enjoyable few weeks in Normandy, (not far from Lessay but the grandsons pinched the semtex for use as playdough) so, full of enthusiasm and biere rousse I set about fettling the antenna system for the autumn/winter season. During the course of this exercise I got round to measuring the length of the bit that does the actual radiating and found that it is less than 8m. (24ft. 11in. in real units) Can I therefore claim the record for the best distance to antenna height ratio? ;-)) More seriously, in the course of preparing a talk on LF for a local club and knowing that there are one or two members thereof who excel at picking holes, I went over all my voltage and current measurements and calcs (for the umpteenth time) and got a few surprises. No shocks on 73KHz where the actual power fed to the ASMU is 175W of very nice sine wave giving an antenna current of 2.2A during the last few weeks of operation on the band (after I had the line of trees under one leg of the top-loading lopped by four feet). On 136KHz things are not nearly so satisfactory. The output waveform from the long-suffering BK starts going from sine to triangular at a pretty low level of input, and this seemed to start at an output power level around 25W. I normally monitor the output waveform 'off-air' and so after the Q of the loading coil and antenna have done their work, and at saturation my measurements had indicated that I was getting 108W so I assumed I had got a 'good' amp and this was the figure I had used for calculations of system and earth resistance etc. However like the knights of old I am much addicted to simmering my carcase in lots of hot water (with bouquet garni of course) and while indulging in this pastime one evening the other brain cell kicked in to give a dawning realisation that with the output waveform triangular and not sine I would have to remeasure and recalculate - with fairly predictable results. The 136 antenna current (nice and sine) is still 2A, but the triangular output power from the amp now works out at 68W -much more in line with what I had heard of these beasts. Quite a shock to the system, so with no more ado the M0BMU mods to the BK were carried out - under epidural. Now the bitter bit. Things were now even worse, with it proving impossible to get anything like the previous output figures or a decent waveform on 136 or even 73 at any over a couple of watts so I hastily put things back the way they had been and opened the Pommeau. So todays puzzler is; How come? Anyone got any ideas? I've gone into sulk mode. Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ PS Since changing over to twin feeder there are no "MIssing Amps". Accordingly the case is declared closed. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4663 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 20:36:01 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 20:36:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8277 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Aug 2003 20:36:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 20:36:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nOny-0008QD-Iu for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:34:42 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nOnu-0008Q4-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:34:38 +0100 Received: from tnt-21-110.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.110] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19nOng-000BXp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:34:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c362a4$bfb3dc20$6ee486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c360e2$114c6300$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:42:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Non Topic - QRM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040304070905090905070202" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304070905090905070202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am getting some mysterious QRM. It does not seem to affect the LF band and the only reason for raising the subject on this reflector is that there seems to be a good level of technical expertise here and that someone may be able to help. The QRM seems to be centred around 12 -14MHz and consists of bursts of a very spiky noise as shown in the attached ARGO shot. The QRM is on all the time although sometimes it is worse than at other times. The image shows the whole of the USB spectrum of 2.7kHz with ARGO set to CW mode (no other signals present. S meter peaks at about S7. The noise seems to be coming from distribution telephone poles. I have used my bike mobile to check all telephone distribution poles in the local area; some of them do not radiate at all and a few are very bad. Where there are no telephone poles the noise does not exist. Anyone know what it is? 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14 Aug 2003 19:07:12 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.12] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nMV9-0007dO-Ur for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:07:08 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:06:36 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:06:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:06:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2003 18:06:36.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD3C3920:01C3628E] Subject: Re: LF: WD2XDW 137.77350 nominal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 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My web site is down till around 0300Z Friday when I get the PC back, but the front page shows the state of the beacon and a times Argo capture of the transmission.. Beacon hasnt been seen on the West coast to my South at the moment but the skies are still sort of grey at midnite, but "night" is increasing at nearly 6 mins daily. Modifications to the existing grant are in the OET FCC database - must check this morning to make sure my keystrokes here equals the FCC's there. Changes are a) additional frequency windows so I can place myself in optimum "quiet" frequencies away from Loran spurs b) Emission bandwidth statements to 100Hz allowing CW id at reasonable speeds and maintining Part 5 regs ref station id c) permission to communicate with co channel Part 5 stations for data interchange looking at path variations in the time and frequency domains at "known ERP" levels (you send a bit of info and I send a bit of info we look strength, phase, etc) - Im hoping this is backed by the FCC but will have to work with others Part 5 grantees/Applicantees if they ask for more info. d) and no means least permission to communicate with co channeled amatuer radio stations involved in path analysis experimentation on the Internationally accepted 136Khz band where my allocated grant frequencies/modesmatch. Yep I know Im licenced as an expermental service and hams are something different licence wise, and we may have to work with the DTI etc to seek permission to communicate with non ham stations... - I expect d's going to be a no no but if you dont ask....and you have to start somewhere. More detailed experimental quotes and reasons for the request is on the OET FCC web site or I can send you the word doc explaining my reasoning. Laurence KL1X overcast Anchorage >From: Joe Craig >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: WD2XDW Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:05 -0230 (NDT) > > >Nothing seen last night. > >Joe VO1NA > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9656 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2003 15:25:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 15:25:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8497 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Aug 2003 15:25:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2003 15:25:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19nJvl-0006SB-T5 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:22:25 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19nJvh-0006S2-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:22:21 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7EFMHLD023803 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:17 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7EFMGeY007462 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:16 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h7EFM58Y009530; Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:05 -0230 (NDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:52:05 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: WD2XDW Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Nothing seen last night. Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15581 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 06:56:05 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 06:56:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 3865 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 06:56:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 06:56:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mpXL-0003d3-FG for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:55:11 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mpXG-0003cu-Fe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:55:06 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-190.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.190] helo=bryan2) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19mpXE-0005p0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <005d01c36167$e820df20$a3ce28c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 07:54:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false My 2 - penn'orth is that from frequent observation [reception in moving car ] R4 LW ceases very abruptly at Lyon. -----Original Message----- From: flo flo To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 12 August 2003 21:44 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" >...and R4 is pretty weak here in Alaska too compared with its Eureopean >counterparts across the Marche/channel (often some 20-30 dBs stronger) - Ive >only managed to listen to cricket test match special on a few occasions - >and the freq is shared in an NDB Canadian Beacon some 600 miles south too >which doesnt help. > >R4 LW 198Khz in Aberdeen Scotland was appauling - and that why they had a >MW relay...AM phase and all that... > >Given the Power differences in some of the European LW stations R4 is very >much weaker than I would have imagined here, but, there are more than one >variables that influence signals quality and strength. I presume the R4 LW >station doesnt "beam" or does it? > >Given the "speed"/sheer of the particles in the ionosphere - and they would >have to be moving quite fast; might we not see some blurring of phase from >the two locked sources? > >Beacon > >...and the WD2XDW beacon will be on from 0001Z on around 137.773Khzish until >advised. I might get the locked freq source sorted tonight. The matching >system is now under cover and no deterioation of aerial current has been >seen. Around 2.3 amps. > > >Laurence - rainy Anchorage > >>From: "Alan Melia" >>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>To: >>Subject: LF: Re: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" >>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:30:48 +0100 >> >>Hi Hugh, yes I supose it would have some effect. The advantage is that all >>the transmitters are under "atomic" control so there is almost a continuous >>phase difference between their carriers. The "mush" area, I think, refers >>mainly to the reception and demodulation of the AM program material. I >>suppose within ground-wave range there is "beat" when the strengths from >>Droitwich and say Westerglen are approximately the same ....the beat >>frequency would not more than 0.00001Hz or about 1 cycle in 30 hours (I >>hope >>my thumbnail calcuation is right....but I sure someone will tell me if it >>isn't). I dont expect that would give much problem but the path differences >>from the different tranmitters might give some interesting effects at >>distance. The only person I know who does monitor R4 is Laurence in >>Anchorage. >> >>Cheers de Alan G3NYK >>alan.melia@btinternet.com >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Hugh M0WYE" >>To: >>Sent: 12 August 2003 16:21 >>Subject: LF: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" >> >> >> > Hi Alan, Group, >> > Interesting article about BBC R4 LW. >> > >> > Does the fact that there are multiple transmitters on this frequency >>have >> > any bearing on those who might use the 198kHz signal as a propagation >> > indicator outside of the UK ? >> > >> > Presumably the interference pattern ("mush area") extends way beyond our >> > shores, and someone monitoring, say in the 'States might receive a weak >> > signal, not because there was no propagation, but because the two >> > transmitters happened to be in cancellation. >> > >> > I assume the signals that we might use for reference, such as DCF39, >>have >> > only one source. >> > >> > 73 >> > Hugh M0WYE >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Alan Melia" >> > To: "LF-Group" >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:57 PM >> > Subject: LF: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" >> > >> > >> > > Hi All, I have posted the latest DTI Time & Frequency Club Newsletter >>to >> > my >> > > web site. It contains a short description of the frequency control of >>the >> > > BBC Radio 4 Longwave transmitters on 198kHz, together with details of >>the >> > > phase modulation data service it also carries on the carrier. This >>will >>be >> > > interesting information for those of you who, like me, may have a >>198kHz >> > > off-air standard in your workshop. >> > > >> > > Download of the 68kB pdf file is available from the link in the >>contents >> > > section on the index page. >> > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/ >> > > >> > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK >> > > alan.melia@btinternet.com >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3495 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2003 02:39:14 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 02:39:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 3972 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Aug 2003 02:39:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2003 02:39:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mlWU-0002G3-3f for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:38:02 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.94] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mlWO-0002Fu-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:37:56 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:37:25 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:37:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:37:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2003 02:37:25.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4736020:01C36143] Subject: LF: Beacon freq change WD2XDW 0230Z 13th August 137.77350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Im trying an alternate freq tonight/next few days as Ive fixed the W@G drive issue to the amp and calibrated the W@G drive freq while I was at it. Now on 137.77350 Khz (+-0.01Hz) I can now shift in 0.5Hz steps 2.3 amps aerial current, and ticking over nicely. Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 328 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 20:43:03 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 20:43:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 24442 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Aug 2003 20:43:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 20:43:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mfyM-0000cw-Kc for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:42:26 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.3] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mfyI-0000cm-9R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:42:22 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:41:50 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:41:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:41:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2003 20:41:50.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[28482C30:01C36112] Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ...and R4 is pretty weak here in Alaska too compared with its Eureopean counterparts across the Marche/channel (often some 20-30 dBs stronger) - Ive only managed to listen to cricket test match special on a few occasions - and the freq is shared in an NDB Canadian Beacon some 600 miles south too which doesnt help. R4 LW 198Khz in Aberdeen Scotland was appauling - and that why they had a MW relay...AM phase and all that... Given the Power differences in some of the European LW stations R4 is very much weaker than I would have imagined here, but, there are more than one variables that influence signals quality and strength. I presume the R4 LW station doesnt "beam" or does it? Given the "speed"/sheer of the particles in the ionosphere - and they would have to be moving quite fast; might we not see some blurring of phase from the two locked sources? Beacon ...and the WD2XDW beacon will be on from 0001Z on around 137.773Khzish until advised. I might get the locked freq source sorted tonight. The matching system is now under cover and no deterioation of aerial current has been seen. Around 2.3 amps. Laurence - rainy Anchorage >From: "Alan Melia" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Re: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:30:48 +0100 > >Hi Hugh, yes I supose it would have some effect. The advantage is that all >the transmitters are under "atomic" control so there is almost a continuous >phase difference between their carriers. The "mush" area, I think, refers >mainly to the reception and demodulation of the AM program material. I >suppose within ground-wave range there is "beat" when the strengths from >Droitwich and say Westerglen are approximately the same ....the beat >frequency would not more than 0.00001Hz or about 1 cycle in 30 hours (I >hope >my thumbnail calcuation is right....but I sure someone will tell me if it >isn't). I dont expect that would give much problem but the path differences >from the different tranmitters might give some interesting effects at >distance. The only person I know who does monitor R4 is Laurence in >Anchorage. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia@btinternet.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hugh M0WYE" >To: >Sent: 12 August 2003 16:21 >Subject: LF: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" > > > > Hi Alan, Group, > > Interesting article about BBC R4 LW. > > > > Does the fact that there are multiple transmitters on this frequency >have > > any bearing on those who might use the 198kHz signal as a propagation > > indicator outside of the UK ? > > > > Presumably the interference pattern ("mush area") extends way beyond our > > shores, and someone monitoring, say in the 'States might receive a weak > > signal, not because there was no propagation, but because the two > > transmitters happened to be in cancellation. > > > > I assume the signals that we might use for reference, such as DCF39, >have > > only one source. > > > > 73 > > Hugh M0WYE > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Melia" > > To: "LF-Group" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:57 PM > > Subject: LF: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" > > > > > > > Hi All, I have posted the latest DTI Time & Frequency Club Newsletter >to > > my > > > web site. It contains a short description of the frequency control of >the > > > BBC Radio 4 Longwave transmitters on 198kHz, together with details of >the > > > phase modulation data service it also carries on the carrier. This >will >be > > > interesting information for those of you who, like me, may have a >198kHz > > > off-air standard in your workshop. > > > > > > Download of the 68kB pdf file is available from the link in the >contents > > > section on the index page. > > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/ > > > > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19447 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 19:32:03 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 19:32:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2961 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 19:31:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 19:31:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mer7-0000DV-LQ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:30:53 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mer3-0000DM-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:30:49 +0100 Received: from host213-122-64-195.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.64.195] helo=Main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19mer2-00050U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:30:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c36108$3e28cdc0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c360e2$114c6300$6507a8c0@Main> <000701c360e6$157157c0$3704210a@Hugh> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:30:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Hugh, yes I supose it would have some effect. The advantage is that all the transmitters are under "atomic" control so there is almost a continuous phase difference between their carriers. The "mush" area, I think, refers mainly to the reception and demodulation of the AM program material. I suppose within ground-wave range there is "beat" when the strengths from Droitwich and say Westerglen are approximately the same ....the beat frequency would not more than 0.00001Hz or about 1 cycle in 30 hours (I hope my thumbnail calcuation is right....but I sure someone will tell me if it isn't). I dont expect that would give much problem but the path differences from the different tranmitters might give some interesting effects at distance. The only person I know who does monitor R4 is Laurence in Anchorage. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: Sent: 12 August 2003 16:21 Subject: LF: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" > Hi Alan, Group, > Interesting article about BBC R4 LW. > > Does the fact that there are multiple transmitters on this frequency have > any bearing on those who might use the 198kHz signal as a propagation > indicator outside of the UK ? > > Presumably the interference pattern ("mush area") extends way beyond our > shores, and someone monitoring, say in the 'States might receive a weak > signal, not because there was no propagation, but because the two > transmitters happened to be in cancellation. > > I assume the signals that we might use for reference, such as DCF39, have > only one source. > > 73 > Hugh M0WYE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: "LF-Group" > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:57 PM > Subject: LF: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" > > > > Hi All, I have posted the latest DTI Time & Frequency Club Newsletter to > my > > web site. It contains a short description of the frequency control of the > > BBC Radio 4 Longwave transmitters on 198kHz, together with details of the > > phase modulation data service it also carries on the carrier. This will be > > interesting information for those of you who, like me, may have a 198kHz > > off-air standard in your workshop. > > > > Download of the 68kB pdf file is available from the link in the contents > > section on the index page. > > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/ > > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6710 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 15:30:19 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 15:30:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5657 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 15:30:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 15:30:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mb4J-0007P1-3u for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:28:15 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.219] (helo=netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mb4F-0007Op-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:28:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 18926 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 15:27:40 -0000 Received: from ctuash.plus.com (HELO Hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 15:27:40 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c360e6$157157c0$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c360e2$114c6300$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:21:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Alan, Group, Interesting article about BBC R4 LW. Does the fact that there are multiple transmitters on this frequency have any bearing on those who might use the 198kHz signal as a propagation indicator outside of the UK ? Presumably the interference pattern ("mush area") extends way beyond our shores, and someone monitoring, say in the 'States might receive a weak signal, not because there was no propagation, but because the two transmitters happened to be in cancellation. I assume the signals that we might use for reference, such as DCF39, have only one source. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: LF: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" > Hi All, I have posted the latest DTI Time & Frequency Club Newsletter to my > web site. It contains a short description of the frequency control of the > BBC Radio 4 Longwave transmitters on 198kHz, together with details of the > phase modulation data service it also carries on the carrier. This will be > interesting information for those of you who, like me, may have a 198kHz > off-air standard in your workshop. > > Download of the 68kB pdf file is available from the link in the contents > section on the index page. > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/ > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20405 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2003 15:06:05 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 15:06:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 25565 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Aug 2003 15:06:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Aug 2003 15:06:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19maal-000799-7I for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:57:43 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19maah-000790-An for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:57:39 +0100 Received: from host213-122-60-224.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.60.224] helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19maag-0005TB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c360e2$114c6300$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:57:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: BBC R4 LW "Frequency Standard" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi All, I have posted the latest DTI Time & Frequency Club Newsletter to my web site. It contains a short description of the frequency control of the BBC Radio 4 Longwave transmitters on 198kHz, together with details of the phase modulation data service it also carries on the carrier. This will be interesting information for those of you who, like me, may have a 198kHz off-air standard in your workshop. Download of the 68kB pdf file is available from the link in the contents section on the index page. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/ Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17558 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 21:50:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 21:50:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 23255 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Aug 2003 21:50:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 21:50:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mKY1-0001ei-P2 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:49:49 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.81] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mKXx-0001eZ-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:49:46 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:49:14 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:49:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:49:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2003 21:49:14.0598 (UTC) FILETIME=[68102860:01C36052] Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false John - once I figured out the drive issues for the W@G for the Drive Ill work on moving out from 774 and into a nicer clearer spot. Cheers for the reminder. The beacon will be on again from 0400Z Tuesday - I have/am putting a larger Cisco blower on the main circuit board components..... >From: "John Andrews" >>Laurence, > >One thing to keep in mind about frequency. Us poor folks in the NE U.S. and >eastern Canada have a Loran line on 137.77403 kHz. With your present QRSS6 >speed, there's not much chance of splitting those signals. > >John Andrews > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29265 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 20:08:42 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 20:08:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 28700 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Aug 2003 20:08:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 20:08:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mIxS-00016T-SI for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:07:58 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mIxO-00016K-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:07:55 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@bocedwards.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1060632473!1486659 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=bocedwards.com,-,- Received: (qmail 32055 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 20:07:53 -0000 Received: from ukfw1.ge.boc.com (193.131.2.157) by server-16.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 20:07:53 -0000 Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PTKGLCZP; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:13:48 +0100 Received: by exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:07:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false >But what is the capacity of this old hat? Would two be better ? >G3GVB Don't know, but I've heard that two heads are better than one. The one exception however is finding agreement on top hat capacity issues. :) Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20341 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 19:13:35 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 19:13:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12519 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Aug 2003 19:13:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 19:13:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mI6P-0000q2-OU for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:13:09 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mI6L-0000pt-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:13:05 +0100 Received: from tnt-21-84.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.84] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19mI6J-000KYb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:13:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c3603c$acc37220$54e486d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:13:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false But what is the capacity of this old hat? Would two be better ? G3GVB -----Original Message----- From: hamilton mal To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 11 August 2003 19:18 Subject: LF: Radials <. This is old hat to the experienced LF amateur. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6705 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 18:15:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 10152 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Aug 2003 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 18:15:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mHB2-0000Q5-5l for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:13:52 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mHAy-0000Pu-8N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:13:48 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.206.90]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030811181337.BIZL14751.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:13:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c3602b$c9d2c700$5acefc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:01:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon goes 24 hours Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "flo flo" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: LF: Beacon goes 24 hours > > WD2XDW BP41XD Anchorage 137.7739 Khz beacon will run 24 hours from 0001Z > Saturday 9th Aug 2003, until advised - fauna permitting. > > QRSS6 and CW ID. > > Running 1500-0500Z for the present. I havent seen the frequency move using > the W@G source so it should be quite close. ERP Power will be less than 2W.. 160 metres ok at present to the USA East coast. This morning around 0130 good sigs from East coast USA The best time for KL7 in the past has been around sunrise here especially during the winter. I have worked quite a few in the past. You are in with a chance on 137 Khz if anyone is listening/watching - there does not seem to be much response to your beacon info from around EU. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > Laurence KL1X > http://www.kl1x.com > sunny Anchorage > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5339 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 18:14:58 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 18:14:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 18468 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 18:14:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 18:14:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mHB7-0000QH-9c for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:13:57 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mHAy-0000Py-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:13:48 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.206.90]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030811181347.BJDM14751.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:13:47 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c3602b$cfe11200$5acefc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:12:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Radials Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Like I have said in the past many times radials are useful but some go overboard about their contribution to the radiated signal on LF. I use several insulated radials fanned around the base to my vertical system, hundreds are not necessary.
The secret is to get as many top loading wires displayed around the top of a vertical as possible and separated by many feet/metres as possible and not a few inches/mm. My 4 inv L antennas have a separation of 90 degs around the tower. Each horiz leg is about 400 ft long. This is old hat to the experienced LF amateur.
 
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18221 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 13:08:14 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 13:08:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 8829 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Aug 2003 13:08:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 13:08:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19mCNF-0006vn-K0 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:06:09 +0100 Received: from [205.231.144.8] (helo=mail.pivot.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19mCNA-0006ve-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:06:04 +0100 Received: from maine (msta-aa673.pivot.net [66.186.179.164]) by mail.pivot.net (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.4) with SMTP id h7BD5W215197 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002201c36000$ce882040$9ac0fea9@maine> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:05:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Laurence, One thing to keep in mind about frequency. Us poor folks in the NE U.S. and eastern Canada have a Loran line on 137.77403 kHz. With your present QRSS6 speed, there's not much chance of splitting those signals. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4993 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 06:28:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 06:28:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 29401 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Aug 2003 06:28:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 06:28:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19m69S-0003yo-P3 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:27:30 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.110] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19m69O-0003yf-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:27:26 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:26:55 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:26:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:26:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2003 06:26:55.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F69B920:01C35FD1] Subject: LF: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false My TX beacon freq maybe off a hertz or so for the next day or so - very high shack temps and VXO not a good mix. W@G is playing up a bit to be used as a source. Laurence KL1X WD2XDW 137.774 +- Anchorage. > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4620 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 05:50:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 05:50:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 6178 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 05:50:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 05:50:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19m5Yu-0003hZ-09 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:49:44 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.56] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19m5Yo-0003hD-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 06:49:38 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:49:06 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:49:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:49:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2003 05:49:06.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[47326D00:01C35FCC] Subject: LF: "resistance is useless"...HHGTT Galaxy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sorry if this has gone out twice Bill - Using a scope to get peak voltage and them do the (rms)2/Z sums and such like, Ive come to the impression that my Z out of my Tx isnt exactly 50 ohms! However to cut a long story short - I reckon my total resistance is about 30 ohms at the moment, may be a few ohms less, maybe a couple more. What doesnt lie Im hoping, is the thermocouple readings at one end and the HP6434 V/I meter at the other Changes include adding about amother 500pf to the top loading - pull and rearranging the load to be away from trees, adding more HV insulators, cutting down the odd tree overgrow, replacing the old variometer with a 8 gauge version, and finally using a autotransformer before the main coil, I think 3c90 core with 14T primary and 13T on towards the variometer, all with 1.5mm2 wires. Im still having issues with the W@G source on 275KHz - I need to buffer the +10 dBm 600ohm output a bit more as the sig gen is only just clocking the divider chip in the TX - if it doesnt clock properly all sorts of grief happens.... Cheers Laurence >From: "Ashlock,William" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" >Subject: RE: LF: beacon on >Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:43:52 -0400 > >Laurence, > >Are you saying that you have R = P/Isq = 70/(2)sq = 18 ohms for your total >system resistance? If so, that would be very good. Thought you measured 50 >ohms last week. > >Bill A > > > WD2XDW Anchorage now on from 2230Z Saturday till 1500Z Monday morning. >New > > > variometer gives extra 0.1 amp! New/rearranged top loads and chainsaw >gives > > another....around 2 amps aerial current for 70Wsih into the coil > > > > 137.7739 +- > > > > Laurence KL1X > >_____________________________________________________________________ >This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning >Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit >http://www.mci.com > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11320 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 02:44:50 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 02:44:50 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 14652 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Aug 2003 02:44:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 02:44:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19m2fI-0002dE-GK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:44:08 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19m2fE-0002d4-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:44:04 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@bocedwards.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1060569839!1438090 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=bocedwards.com,-,- Received: (qmail 29184 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2003 02:43:59 -0000 Received: from ukfw1.ge.boc.com (193.131.2.157) by server-5.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2003 02:43:59 -0000 Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PTKGKM8Q; Mon, 11 Aug 2003 03:49:52 +0100 Received: by exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:43:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 22:43:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: LF: beacon on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Laurence, Are you saying that you have R = P/Isq = 70/(2)sq = 18 ohms for your total system resistance? If so, that would be very good. Thought you measured 50 ohms last week. Bill A > WD2XDW Anchorage now on from 2230Z Saturday till 1500Z Monday morning. New > variometer gives extra 0.1 amp! New/rearranged top loads and chainsaw gives > another....around 2 amps aerial current for 70Wsih into the coil > > 137.7739 +- > > Laurence KL1X _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23093 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2003 22:14:03 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 22:14:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20453 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Aug 2003 22:14:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 22:14:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lyQr-0001F5-FN for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:12:57 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lyQn-0001Ew-DP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 23:12:53 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7AMCm7r018596 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:42:49 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h7AMCmeY023390 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:42:48 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h7AMClZG025120; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:42:47 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:42:46 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: beacon on Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Laurence and Group, Took a watch last night and this AM, but nothing seen here on 137.7739 kHz. Cheers Joe VO1NA On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, flo flo wrote: > > > Back again. > > WD2XDW Anchorage now on from 2230Z Saturday till 1500Z Monday morning. New > variometer gives extra 0.1 amp! 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with SMTP; 10 Aug 2003 08:22:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19llRw-0005cu-Qf for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:21:12 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.41] (helo=mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19llRr-0005cl-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:21:07 +0100 Received: from smiley ([62.253.52.85]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030810082106.LCGE25721.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@smiley> for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:21:06 +0100 Message-ID: <009f01c35f18$2f5a3280$fad5fea9@smiley> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:19:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Wayne Kerr B601 RF Bridge on ebay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false There is a Wayne Kerr B601 RF Bridge 15kHz to 5MHz, on ebay at the moment with only 12hours left. It's currently sat at £10.50. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2549539049&category=1504&rd=1 Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2706 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 22:40:24 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 22:40:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 15675 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Aug 2003 22:40:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 22:40:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lcNF-0001GW-FV for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:39:45 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.106] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lcN9-0001GN-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:39:39 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 9 Aug 2003 15:27:31 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:27:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 14:27:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2003 22:27:31.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C458710:01C35EC5] Subject: LF: beacon on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Back again. WD2XDW Anchorage now on from 2230Z Saturday till 1500Z Monday morning. New variometer gives extra 0.1 amp! New/rearranged top loads and chainsaw gives another....around 2 amps aerial current for 70Wsih into the coil 137.7739 +- Laurence KL1X _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Return-Path: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 1332 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 21:21:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 21:21:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 4520 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 21:21:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 21:21:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lb95-0000nR-NZ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:21:03 +0100 Received: from [203.10.110.76] (helo=mail.netspace.net.au) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lb91-0000nI-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:20:59 +0100 Received: from fred1 (dialup-203-113-253-79.Hobart.netspace.net.au [203.113.253.79]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with SMTP id F2DC1D5ED1; Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:22:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030810072035.01df1cc0@pop.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: vk7ro@pop.netspace.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:20:35 +1000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Richard Rogers" Cc: CarlSwanson@ClearChannel.com In-reply-to: <001e01c35dbc$d53bb280$09dc9384@jka> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: MF Challenge X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false G'day, I saw KFIs carrier last night at Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. A screen shot is at www.qsl.net/vk7ro/640khz.jpg When using an HF dipole antenna the signal was overwhelmed by several "local" stations on 639KHz, but I could see the KFI carrier when using my LF active 6' vertical with its 300?KHz lowpass filter. Sorry about the receiver drift, but my Yaesu FT747 is not happy about me using a fan heater in the shack to keep warm. At 10:53 AM 8/8/03 -0400, you wrote: > >Here's an unusual DX reception opportunity which may not be possible from >the U.K. and EU, but might be fun to try. > >KFI, a 50 kw AM station in Los Angeles, California, has an unusual >transmitter problem which is causing a +/- 0.5 Hz deviation of their carrier >over an 11.5 minute period. This results in a very distinctive "square wave" >on an Argo screen. Dale Rice in Oregon first noticed it, and I have >confirmed it (at a distance of 4000 km) in Massachusetts. Given the time >differential, there might be a narrow window before U.K. sunrise that would >permit reception. If anyone is interested in trying, Carl Swanson at KFI >Engineering has offered to send special QSLs to those providing proof of >reception. Here is what he told me, and the rest of the details: >----------------------------- >"Please forward this email onto your Lowfer mailing list and let them know >that I will send any interested listener a verification letter and a KFI >sticker if they will e-mail me a standard reception report and a URL to a >screenshot of the carrier like you did (with reception details added to the >JPG photo itself). Let's try to keep it under a hundred reception reports >please, quantity of reports isn't as important as widely varying locations >of reception. > To recap, each email should have a name/address/city/state/zip/phone >number, a standard repection report (date/time(z)/location), and a URL to a >screenshot of whatever software they are using showing this unusual >waveform, with the same reception details listed in the JPG itself. No >attachments to the e-mail, my corporate e-mail will strip any attachment and >I will never see it." >------------------------------- >I have Carl's email address, and will provide it to you on request. I don't >want to post it here, lest it turn into spam fodder when the reflector is >archived at QSL.net. Here are the details for your search: > >KFI is in the Los Angeles area, and runs 50 kw on 640 kHz. Dale Rice and I >have observed their transmitter frequency to be centered on 640.0084 kHz, >varying about +/- 0.5 Hz in a square-wave pattern. Each "cycle" of the >square wave takes about 11.5 seconds. It can be nicely seen on Argo screens >from 20 through 60 seconds (Dale has used 120 as well). An Argo 20 second >screen shot from my house (2500 miles!) can be seen at: >http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/KFI080603.jpg >I would suggest Argo 30 or 60 second screens as the best. Here on the east >coast, the signal has been visible between 0400 and 0900 UTC. Such an odd >waveform will be very distinctive, and excellent proof that you have seen >KFI's carrier. > >So, have fun... and pester me for that email address. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > > 73, Ric, VK7RO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22924 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 10:59:03 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 10:59:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 186 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 10:58:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 10:58:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lRPp-0005d1-7q for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:57:41 +0100 Received: from [209.225.8.39] (helo=remt29.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lRPl-0005co-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 11:57:37 +0100 Received: from [66.189.53.206] (HELO johncellarnew) by remt29.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with SMTP id 104441113 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 06:56:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c35e5c$a5ad3520$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c35e51$d221d3a0$bdce28c3@bryan2> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:57:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: KFI Error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Brian, It's evidently a quirk of their frequency control system. I'm presently unclear as to whether they have a crystal oven or not, but I understand that there is a synthesizer. It's one of the newer Harris rigs, and I've not had my hands on one. BUT, I will definitely post the news of the final diagnosis. Fear not! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1394 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2003 08:40:12 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 08:40:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 18980 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Aug 2003 08:40:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2003 08:40:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lPG2-0004dw-0x for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:39:26 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lPFy-0004dn-8O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:39:22 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-189.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.189] helo=bryan2) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19lPFw-000PwV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:39:21 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c35e51$d221d3a0$bdce28c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 09:39:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: KFI Error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I am as interested to know why it happens as in receiving the result. Why vary at such a long period? Bryan G3GVB -----Original Message----- From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 09 August 2003 00:27 Subject: LF: KFI Error >Stewart Nelson has pointed out a typo in my message earlier today. The >period of the "square wave" on the KFI spectrograms is 11.5 MINUTES, not >seconds! The two halves of my brain are not in constant communication. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2933 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 23:25:56 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 23:25:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 22705 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 23:25:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 23:25:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lGbs-00011m-ER for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 00:25:24 +0100 Received: from [209.225.8.38] (helo=remt28.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lGbo-00010J-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2003 00:25:20 +0100 Received: from [66.189.53.206] (HELO johncellarnew) by remt28.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with SMTP id 114774616 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:24:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c35dfb$f34892e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c35d9c$7ef6f120$1a5aa2c3@xpress.se> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:25:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: KFI Error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Stewart Nelson has pointed out a typo in my message earlier today. The period of the "square wave" on the KFI spectrograms is 11.5 MINUTES, not seconds! The two halves of my brain are not in constant communication. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12548 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 20:24:31 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 20:24:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 949 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Aug 2003 20:24:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 20:24:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lDmS-00086U-Ly for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:24:08 +0100 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lDmO-00086L-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:24:04 +0100 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h78KO2q06349 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jka (208.37.242.34.ptr.us.xo.net [208.37.242.34]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a+patch04072003) id QAA27828; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009101c35dec$76436860$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20030808.160449.604.4.riese-k3djc@juno.com> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:34:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: MF Challenge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bob, > isnt WSN on that freq,, nashville Tn > there L O U D in here WSM is on 650. You might get by. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31575 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 20:07:11 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 20:07:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13072 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 20:07:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 20:07:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lDVe-0007vm-CK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:06:46 +0100 Received: from [64.136.30.74] (helo=m11.lax.untd.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lDVa-0007vd-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:06:42 +0100 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewKiCvr9tU1Nv0or5SMNMX8FV5lRnniSFuA==">; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:05:58 PDT Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id H639P3DY; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:05:58 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:04:49 -0400 Message-ID: <20030808.160449.604.4.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-85 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Subject: Re: LF: MF Challenge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FORGED_JUNO_RCVD,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false isnt WSN on that freq,, nashville Tn there L O U D in here Bob K3DJC On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:53:28 -0400 "John Andrews" writes: > Here's an unusual DX reception opportunity which may not be possible > from > the U.K. and EU, but might be fun to try. > > KFI, a 50 kw AM station in Los Angeles, California, has an unusual > transmitter problem which is causing a +/- 0.5 Hz deviation of their > carrier > over an 11.5 minute period. This results in a very distinctive > "square wave" > on an Argo screen. Dale Rice in Oregon first noticed it, and I have > confirmed it (at a distance of 4000 km) in Massachusetts. Given the > time > differential, there might be a narrow window before U.K. sunrise > that would > permit reception. If anyone is interested in trying, Carl Swanson at > KFI > Engineering has offered to send special QSLs to those providing > proof of > reception. Here is what he told me, and the rest of the details: > ----------------------------- > "Please forward this email onto your Lowfer mailing list and let > them know > that I will send any interested listener a verification letter and a > KFI > sticker if they will e-mail me a standard reception report and a URL > to a > screenshot of the carrier like you did (with reception details added > to the > JPG photo itself). Let's try to keep it under a hundred reception > reports > please, quantity of reports isn't as important as widely varying > locations > of reception. > To recap, each email should have a > name/address/city/state/zip/phone > number, a standard repection report (date/time(z)/location), and a > URL to a > screenshot of whatever software they are using showing this unusual > waveform, with the same reception details listed in the JPG itself. > No > attachments to the e-mail, my corporate e-mail will strip any > attachment and > I will never see it." > ------------------------------- > I have Carl's email address, and will provide it to you on request. > I don't > want to post it here, lest it turn into spam fodder when the > reflector is > archived at QSL.net. Here are the details for your search: > > KFI is in the Los Angeles area, and runs 50 kw on 640 kHz. Dale Rice > and I > have observed their transmitter frequency to be centered on 640.0084 > kHz, > varying about +/- 0.5 Hz in a square-wave pattern. Each "cycle" of > the > square wave takes about 11.5 seconds. It can be nicely seen on Argo > screens > from 20 through 60 seconds (Dale has used 120 as well). An Argo 20 > second > screen shot from my house (2500 miles!) can be seen at: > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/KFI080603.jpg > I would suggest Argo 30 or 60 second screens as the best. Here on > the east > coast, the signal has been visible between 0400 and 0900 UTC. Such > an odd > waveform will be very distinctive, and excellent proof that you have > seen > KFI's carrier. > > So, have fun... and pester me for that email address. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17147 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 19:46:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 19:46:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8204 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Aug 2003 19:46:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 19:46:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lDB4-0007j9-Sq for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:45:30 +0100 Received: from [195.121.6.176] (helo=hnexfe10.hetnet.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lDB0-0007ix-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 20:45:26 +0100 Received: from klaas ([81.204.89.147]) by hnexfe10.hetnet.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:44:52 +0200 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20030808194451.0066835c@pop.hetnet.nl> X-Sender: vaartweg@pop.hetnet.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:44:51 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Klaas van Dorsten" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2003 19:44:52.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[89195AA0:01C35DE5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: Re: LF: Signal reports wanted X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I have heard you this evening 08 Aug at 1800-1820 UT rst 339. 73 Klaas From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24325 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 18:44:27 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 18:44:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 20995 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Aug 2003 18:44:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 18:44:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lCD3-0007F9-Ua for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:43:29 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lCCz-0007F0-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:43:26 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-233.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.233] helo=bryan2) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19lCCt-000DK2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 19:43:20 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c35ddd$08838b20$e9c828c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 19:43:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: getting married Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false That's the answer then. Get the wife to run it. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: flo flo To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 08 August 2003 17:32 Subject: LF: Life >/getting married/ >I knew I was going to move from here this fall but had hoped to get a few >weeks/month run at it. > >Given these newly learnt changes in my lifestlye (1 hour ago) Best to look >at the web site to see if the beacon is on from now on. > >This is a real blow, but Fridays are always bad news days in this oil >company. I completed the new "heavy" variometer late last night but didnt >want to interrupt the transmissions. > >Thanks for looking last night - Steve VE7SL said conditions up here were >very poor. > >Laurence KL1X >http://www.kl1x.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2864 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 16:29:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 16:29:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 27666 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Aug 2003 16:29:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 16:29:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19lA69-0006H2-1L for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:28:13 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.42] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19lA63-0006Gt-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:28:07 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:27:35 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:27:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:27:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2003 16:27:35.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9D7B960:01C35DC9] Subject: LF: Life Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Its been a bad news morning - Ive just had the nod that my move out of state is being brought forward, and in that context Ill be away for most of this weekend now. Sadly it doesnt look like Im going to be able to run this beacon 24/7 now given the now close house move/job move/getting married/tower down etc. I knew I was going to move from here this fall but had hoped to get a few weeks/month run at it. Given these newly learnt changes in my lifestlye (1 hour ago) Best to look at the web site to see if the beacon is on from now on. This is a real blow, but Fridays are always bad news days in this oil company. I completed the new "heavy" variometer late last night but didnt want to interrupt the transmissions. Thanks for looking last night - Steve VE7SL said conditions up here were very poor. Laurence KL1X http://www.kl1x.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23967 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 14:44:26 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 14:44:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1020 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Aug 2003 14:44:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 14:44:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19l8Sb-0005LE-1e for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:43:17 +0100 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19l8SW-0005L5-5R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:43:12 +0100 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h78Eh4q14227 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jka (208.37.242.34.ptr.us.xo.net [208.37.242.34]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a+patch04072003) id KAA03120; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01c35dbc$d53bb280$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:53:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: MF Challenge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Here's an unusual DX reception opportunity which may not be possible from the U.K. and EU, but might be fun to try. KFI, a 50 kw AM station in Los Angeles, California, has an unusual transmitter problem which is causing a +/- 0.5 Hz deviation of their carrier over an 11.5 minute period. This results in a very distinctive "square wave" on an Argo screen. Dale Rice in Oregon first noticed it, and I have confirmed it (at a distance of 4000 km) in Massachusetts. Given the time differential, there might be a narrow window before U.K. sunrise that would permit reception. If anyone is interested in trying, Carl Swanson at KFI Engineering has offered to send special QSLs to those providing proof of reception. Here is what he told me, and the rest of the details: ----------------------------- "Please forward this email onto your Lowfer mailing list and let them know that I will send any interested listener a verification letter and a KFI sticker if they will e-mail me a standard reception report and a URL to a screenshot of the carrier like you did (with reception details added to the JPG photo itself). Let's try to keep it under a hundred reception reports please, quantity of reports isn't as important as widely varying locations of reception. To recap, each email should have a name/address/city/state/zip/phone number, a standard repection report (date/time(z)/location), and a URL to a screenshot of whatever software they are using showing this unusual waveform, with the same reception details listed in the JPG itself. No attachments to the e-mail, my corporate e-mail will strip any attachment and I will never see it." ------------------------------- I have Carl's email address, and will provide it to you on request. I don't want to post it here, lest it turn into spam fodder when the reflector is archived at QSL.net. Here are the details for your search: KFI is in the Los Angeles area, and runs 50 kw on 640 kHz. Dale Rice and I have observed their transmitter frequency to be centered on 640.0084 kHz, varying about +/- 0.5 Hz in a square-wave pattern. Each "cycle" of the square wave takes about 11.5 seconds. It can be nicely seen on Argo screens from 20 through 60 seconds (Dale has used 120 as well). An Argo 20 second screen shot from my house (2500 miles!) can be seen at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/KFI080603.jpg I would suggest Argo 30 or 60 second screens as the best. Here on the east coast, the signal has been visible between 0400 and 0900 UTC. Such an odd waveform will be very distinctive, and excellent proof that you have seen KFI's carrier. So, have fun... and pester me for that email address. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9103 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 11:22:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 11:22:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17719 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 11:22:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 11:22:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19l5Jh-0003Gq-VH for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:21:53 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19l5Jd-0003Gg-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:21:49 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h78BLiri023779 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:51:45 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h78BLieY001191 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:51:44 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h78BLiLH012869; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:51:44 -0230 (NDT) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 08:51:43 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: "RSGB LF group" In-reply-to: <001801c35d9c$7ef6f120$1a5aa2c3@xpress.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TC 8 Aug Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false No transcontinental sigs detected from WD2XDW on 137.7739 kHz this morning. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13522 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 11:03:09 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 11:03:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 10246 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Aug 2003 11:03:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 11:03:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19l50l-00034c-Sy for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:02:19 +0100 Received: from [213.214.194.101] (helo=smtp1.home.se) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19l50i-00034T-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 12:02:16 +0100 Received: from foo 050140599@home.se [212.105.16.45] by smtp1.home.se with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.22.1.3 $ on Novell NetWare; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c35d9c$7ef6f120$1a5aa2c3@xpress.se> From: "Christer Andersson" <050140599@home.se> To: "RSGB LF group" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:02:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "Christer Andersson" <050140599@home.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signal reports wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=FROM_ALL_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In an attempt to evaluate our new antennas, SM6BHZ and myself will have a test QSO on 136.5 kHz tonight Friday 8 Aug at 18.00 UTC. Any signal report is appreciated. 73 Christer SM6PXJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25740 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 09:47:13 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 09:47:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 15742 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 09:47:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 09:47:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19l3pY-0002LB-3W for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:46:40 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.219] (helo=netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19l3pT-0002L2-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:46:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 17237 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 09:46:05 -0000 Received: from ctuash.plus.com (HELO Hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 09:46:05 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c35d91$b4996a20$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808100142.02557250@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:44:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WA0AKG/SAQ - yes it was... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Congratulations Jim, and well spotted. It amuses me to think that SAQ now has more listeners than when it was in commercial service. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: LF: Re: WA0AKG/SAQ - yes it was... > Back in July... > >Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:45:05 +0100 > >To: LF Group > >From: James Moritz > >Subject: WA0AKG/SAQ - who he? > > > >Dear LF Group, > > > >I was just transferring some recordings I made of SAQ onto a CD-ROM to > >send to the station - when I noticed at the very end of the 1030utc > >broadcast, just before hearing the alternator note running down, somebody > >sent "de WA0AKG/SAQ". Did anyone else notice this? Was this WA0AKG's bid > >to sidestep the FCC's decision not to allow LF amateur radio? I think we > >should be told...Maybe he will QSL... > > Dear LF Group, > > I have now received a QSL card from Richard, WA0AKG - it was indeed him at > the key at SAQ. He happened to be visiting the Grimeton site that day, and > was thrilled when they let him have a go at the end of one of the > broadcasts. I sent him a copy of my recording on CD , so now he has it > recorded for posterity. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20338 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2003 09:24:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 09:24:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26326 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Aug 2003 09:24:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2003 09:24:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19l3Rh-00022j-CR for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:22:01 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19l3Rd-00022a-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:21:57 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19l3RW-0002tl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:21:50 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19l3RW-00005O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:21:50 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030808100142.02557250@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 10:21:48 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Re: WA0AKG/SAQ - yes it was... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Back in July... >Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:45:05 +0100 >To: LF Group >From: James Moritz >Subject: WA0AKG/SAQ - who he? > >Dear LF Group, > >I was just transferring some recordings I made of SAQ onto a CD-ROM to >send to the station - when I noticed at the very end of the 1030utc >broadcast, just before hearing the alternator note running down, somebody >sent "de WA0AKG/SAQ". Did anyone else notice this? Was this WA0AKG's bid >to sidestep the FCC's decision not to allow LF amateur radio? I think we >should be told...Maybe he will QSL... Dear LF Group, I have now received a QSL card from Richard, WA0AKG - it was indeed him at the key at SAQ. He happened to be visiting the Grimeton site that day, and was thrilled when they let him have a go at the end of one of the broadcasts. I sent him a copy of my recording on CD , so now he has it recorded for posterity. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 946 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 17:45:59 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 17:45:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 27964 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Aug 2003 17:45:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 17:45:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19kSK8-0001Qw-Nq for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:43:44 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.68] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19kSK4-0001Qn-KE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:43:40 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:43:09 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:43:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:43:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2003 17:43:09.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[3314BD60:01C35C42] Subject: LF: Beacon goes 24 hours Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false WD2XDW BP41XD Anchorage 137.7739 Khz beacon will run 24 hours from 0001Z Saturday 9th Aug 2003, until advised - fauna permitting. QRSS6 and CW ID. Running 1500-0500Z for the present. I havent seen the frequency move using the W@G source so it should be quite close. ERP Power will be less than 2W.. Laurence KL1X http://www.kl1x.com sunny Anchorage _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11615 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 07:36:47 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 07:36:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18991 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 07:36:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 07:36:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19kIqB-0004SK-EM for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:36:11 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.16] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19kIpz-0004S8-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 08:36:00 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 00:35:28 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:35:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:35:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2003 07:35:28.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[4EF52010:01C35BED] Subject: LF: Loop bliss and Darth Vador Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bill good idea but Ill have to wait till I moved to my next forested location. Im still struggling with the basics of how not to wind toriods and the finer points of keeping the jaws and paws off this array. Isnt It is fun holding a lit flouri tube 15 foot from the array and scaring the squirrels. WD2XDW is now operating during Alaskan "nighttime" 0500-1500Z 137.7738Khz and a bit, QRSS6 and CW ID. \ Cheers. > > >How long? About the same amount of time that it takes you to install the >proper antenna for this environment - the TX loop. :) ..... Seriously, >have you considered a large loop that is routed over the top of all those >beautiful, low-loss, trees? (Low loss, at least from a loop's low-Z >standpoint) > >Bill A > >_____________________________________________________________________ >This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning >Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit >http://www.mci.com > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7014 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2003 05:19:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 05:19:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 26919 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Aug 2003 05:19:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Aug 2003 05:19:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19kGhE-0003Vj-MG for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:18:48 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19kGhA-0003VT-UI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:18:44 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-73.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.73] helo=bryan2) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19kGh9-000Mpd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:18:44 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c35bda$4e751540$49c428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 06:18:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false If it helps the top loading - sure. -----Original Message----- From: WarmSpgs@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 05 August 2003 18:21 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Radials >In a message dated 8/5/03 5:38:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes: > ><< I'll just have to sail 3 miles offshore USA > unless 136 licences become more readily available. >> > >I trust you'll be flying the Jolly Roger, then? > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3195 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:24:12 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:24:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2713 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Aug 2003 17:24:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:24:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19k5XS-00079D-5r for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:23:58 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.100] (helo=imo-r04.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19k5XM-00078r-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:23:52 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.bb.3436e219 (4328) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:23:11 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In a message dated 8/5/03 3:44:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com writes: << I put out few 1/4Y radials, Yep some 550 meters in length each, but theyve done nothing/zilch to probably override the lossyness of this site to local flora and sometime fauna >> Unfortunately, radials extending amongst the trees will only pick up whatever current the trees allow to be conducted back to the radials. It's somewhat akin to Laurie's observations that more wire in the air over the ground field helps, unless it's over trees or shrubbery. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22539 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:20:47 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:20:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23071 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Aug 2003 17:20:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:20:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19k5U1-000762-1R for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:20:25 +0100 Received: from [205.188.157.37] (helo=imo-d05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19k5Tu-00075g-TY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:20:19 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.190.1e1c4c93 (4328) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <190.1e1c4c93.2c61412e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:19:42 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In a message dated 8/5/03 5:38:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes: << I'll just have to sail 3 miles offshore USA unless 136 licences become more readily available. >> I trust you'll be flying the Jolly Roger, then? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9984 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 17:06:41 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:06:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 27411 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Aug 2003 17:06:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 17:06:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19k5Fc-0006y7-5R for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:05:32 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.29] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19k5FY-0006xu-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:05:28 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:04:56 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:04:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:04:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 17:04:56.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[B22F3230:01C35B73] Subject: LF: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mike/All It will be very interesting to see what happens in Autumn when all the leaves fall off. Given this is Alaska this could happen in a month or so and I may still be here. This site has been dissapointing from 160/80m DX perspective - the verticals/shunt fed towers have proved poor compared to my previous Sites, and Im pretty sure its due to the density of the forest. The trees goto around 90 feet and the forest in a few hundred acres deep,the soil - glacial moraine, clays and sand, and I know the fresh water table is around 100 ft down all have a hand in it. My experiences in conducting HF/LF comms in the jungles of the world too compounds these "feelings" However Im not disheartened at all - all Ive got to do now is decouple the tower to eliminate losses there and see what difference that can make - this may be a largest loss influence, and I might move the vertical section to midpoint of the 3 wire large cap top. I did add another load of close in 100 metre radials and electrodes but again this has zero improvement too - Given the large number all ready in place - the large earth mat for 160 under the tower, the well casing, it looks like I reached the "PLR" - the point of limited return.. Shares in Copper and FETS went up today on the stock exchange. I might have a go at one of them TX loops after all! Nothing still from DCF39 during nighttime, but at least it gets dark now at night. As before I only see DCF39 during Hard Xray/similar events during daylight hours. Laurence KL1X. >This test tends to confirm that what we call "earth losses" are often not >actually due to the resistance of the earth connection, but to absorption >by >vegetation, buildings and even hills. I once ran out a long radial - though >only 300m - and that did not improve my 100-ohm loss. It appears that the >site is of great importance, and there is a practical limit to the antenna >'gain' at any location. Factors such as height and ground covered by the >capacity hat are still worth improving if possible, though in many urban >areas these are limited by space and neighbours. > >Mike, G3XDV >http://www.lf.thersgb.net >==================== > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19117 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 14:35:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 14:35:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 12292 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Aug 2003 14:35:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 14:35:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19k2tA-0005n1-AQ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:34:12 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19k2t6-0005ms-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:34:08 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@bocedwards.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1060093968!1085152 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=bocedwards.com,-,- Received: (qmail 11264 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 14:32:48 -0000 Received: from ukfw1.ge.boc.com (193.131.2.157) by server-21.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 14:32:48 -0000 Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PTKGGXFX; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:38:38 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <33WG6K5M>; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:32:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:32:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Laurence, >deep deep in the thick forest lives a LF tranmitter with lossy vegetation >The site here is surrounded by cotton woods, birches and firs. This evening >I put out few 1/4Y radials, Yep some 550 meters in length each, but theyve >done nothing/zilch to probably override the lossyness of this site to local >flora and sometime fauna, but I had to try; Still 2-3 amps is 2-3 amps, and >I'm wondering how long it is before the beacon is heard somewhere. How long? About the same amount of time that it takes you to install the proper antenna for this environment - the TX loop. :) ..... Seriously, have you considered a large loop that is routed over the top of all those beautiful, low-loss, trees? (Low loss, at least from a loop's low-Z standpoint) Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11468 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 11:34:58 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 11:34:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 6331 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Aug 2003 11:34:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 11:34:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19k04t-0004MC-QP for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:34:07 +0100 Received: from [134.58.240.42] (helo=rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19k04p-0004Lz-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:34:03 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EFC1D72CA for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD941D714E for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:33:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BA6AEA6A for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:33:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030805133121.00b7d808@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:33:30 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <002001c35b35$42695720$2fe086d4@bryan2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bryan, I've read somewhere that "ground resistance" at sea can be as low as a few Ohms, gues the overall efficiency will be determined by the losses in the loading coil. I'm looking forward to the results of the salt water experiment. 73, Rik ON7YD At 09:52 5/08/2003 +0100, you wrote: >I spend time in winter on a 30' sail-boat in salt water. Mast height about >40 ' .Lots of steel rigging and a Ally. . mast.. Can I expect miraculously >low 'ground' resistance?. I'll just have to sail 3 miles offshore USA >unless 136 licences become more readily available. Why does 'Kite' keep >coming to mind? > >Bryan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29559 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 5830 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jz3O-0003lO-V9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:28:30 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.219] (helo=netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jz3K-0003lB-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:28:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 6883 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 10:27:56 -0000 Received: from ctuash.plus.com (HELO Hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 10:27:56 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c35b3c$10787140$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c35b35$42695720$2fe086d4@bryan2> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:26:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Bryan, group, I look forward to working the (first ?) 136kHz Maritime Mobile station this coming winter. I assume the maximum height for flying kites is still 60m even when you are on the water. (I watch windsurfers doing amazing things with kites - becoming airborne for several seconds at a time.) If you could contrive to operate your station from a boat it would be an interesting experiment, and possibly very effective, keep us posted !. 73 Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Radials > I spend time in winter on a 30' sail-boat in salt water. Mast height about > 40 ' .Lots of steel rigging and a Ally. . mast.. Can I expect miraculously > low 'ground' resistance?. I'll just have to sail 3 miles offshore USA > unless 136 licences become more readily available. Why does 'Kite' keep > coming to mind? > > Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Dennison > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: 05 August 2003 09:30 > Subject: LF: Re: Radials > > > >> The site here is surrounded by cotton woods, birches and firs. This > >evening > >> I put out few 1/4Y radials, Yep some 550 meters in length each, but > >theyve > >> done nothing/zilch to probably override the lossyness of this site to > >local > >> flora and sometime fauna, but I had to try; Still 2-3 amps is 2-3 amps, > >and > >> Im wondering how long it is before the beacon is heard somewhere. > >> Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW Anchorage > > > >This test tends to confirm that what we call "earth losses" are often not > >actually due to the resistance of the earth connection, but to absorption > by > >vegetation, buildings and even hills. I once ran out a long radial - though > >only 300m - and that did not improve my 100-ohm loss. It appears that the > >site is of great importance, and there is a practical limit to the antenna > >'gain' at any location. Factors such as height and ground covered by the > >capacity hat are still worth improving if possible, though in many urban > >areas these are limited by space and neighbours. > > > >Mike, G3XDV > >http://www.lf.thersgb.net > >==================== > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3982 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 09:38:44 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 09:38:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22250 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 09:37:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 09:37:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jyFs-0003Fm-Gd for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:37:20 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jyFo-0003Fd-Lp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:37:16 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-176.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.176] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19jyFn-000FSP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 10:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c35b35$42695720$2fe086d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:52:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I spend time in winter on a 30' sail-boat in salt water. Mast height about 40 ' .Lots of steel rigging and a Ally. . mast.. Can I expect miraculously low 'ground' resistance?. I'll just have to sail 3 miles offshore USA unless 136 licences become more readily available. Why does 'Kite' keep coming to mind? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dennison To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 05 August 2003 09:30 Subject: LF: Re: Radials >> The site here is surrounded by cotton woods, birches and firs. This >evening >> I put out few 1/4Y radials, Yep some 550 meters in length each, but >theyve >> done nothing/zilch to probably override the lossyness of this site to >local >> flora and sometime fauna, but I had to try; Still 2-3 amps is 2-3 amps, >and >> Im wondering how long it is before the beacon is heard somewhere. >> Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW Anchorage > >This test tends to confirm that what we call "earth losses" are often not >actually due to the resistance of the earth connection, but to absorption by >vegetation, buildings and even hills. I once ran out a long radial - though >only 300m - and that did not improve my 100-ohm loss. It appears that the >site is of great importance, and there is a practical limit to the antenna >'gain' at any location. Factors such as height and ground covered by the >capacity hat are still worth improving if possible, though in many urban >areas these are limited by space and neighbours. > >Mike, G3XDV >http://www.lf.thersgb.net >==================== > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14824 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 08:28:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 08:28:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 21883 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 08:28:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 08:28:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jxAE-0002eU-QL for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:27:26 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.47] (helo=mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jx9z-0002eF-JC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:27:11 +0100 Received: from mike1 ([80.4.107.45]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030805082708.PBGW27190.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@mike1> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:27:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c35b2b$db77f8e0$2602a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:30:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > The site here is surrounded by cotton woods, birches and firs. This evening > I put out few 1/4Y radials, Yep some 550 meters in length each, but theyve > done nothing/zilch to probably override the lossyness of this site to local > flora and sometime fauna, but I had to try; Still 2-3 amps is 2-3 amps, and > Im wondering how long it is before the beacon is heard somewhere. > Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW Anchorage This test tends to confirm that what we call "earth losses" are often not actually due to the resistance of the earth connection, but to absorption by vegetation, buildings and even hills. I once ran out a long radial - though only 300m - and that did not improve my 100-ohm loss. It appears that the site is of great importance, and there is a practical limit to the antenna 'gain' at any location. Factors such as height and ground covered by the capacity hat are still worth improving if possible, though in many urban areas these are limited by space and neighbours. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28495 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 07:43:48 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 07:43:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 17179 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Aug 2003 07:43:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 07:43:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jwSZ-0002DZ-Ar for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:42:19 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.68] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jwSV-0002DM-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:42:15 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 00:30:29 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 07:30:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, jsm@gulfislands.com Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:30:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2003 07:30:29.0641 (UTC) FILETIME=[72512790:01C35B23] Subject: LF: Beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Group - I think Ive sussed out, changed out and burnt out the gremlins in my beacon TX - presently running around 200w input (around 2.5 amps aerial current) during Alaskan night-time periods (0500-1500Z) on 137.7738 Khzish on QRSS6/CWID. The signal source on 275.548 KHzish W@G PS30 with a small HB buffer amp. The total resistive portion of the aerial system is circa 50 ohms, Im guessing due to the site being a body double for set of of the film "Snow White and the 7 ceramic insulators"...."deep deep in the thick forest lives a LF tranmitter with lossy vegetation..." The site here is surrounded by cotton woods, birches and firs. This evening I put out few 1/4Y radials, Yep some 550 meters in length each, but theyve done nothing/zilch to probably override the lossyness of this site to local flora and sometime fauna, but I had to try; Still 2-3 amps is 2-3 amps, and Im wondering how long it is before the beacon is heard somewhere. I ended up with fans on the main heatsink but moreover two fans on the main toroid! The shack sounds like a wind tunnel. Listening was a far far quieter past time. Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW Anchorage http://www.kl1x.com > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5462 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 14:28:39 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 14:28:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 22893 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Aug 2003 14:28:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 14:28:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jgJX-0004kU-IV for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:27:55 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jgJO-0004k8-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:27:46 +0100 Received: from mike1 ([80.4.107.45]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030804142745.HWXS14590.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mike1> for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:27:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c35a95$10b61060$2602a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:31:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Low dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > I've always wondered about dipoles / loops at 136k? > A 'dipole' just lying on rocky ground where the water table is many metres > below the surface could be quite effective. The angle of radiation would be poor > but the efficiency may not be as bad as first suppossed. One advantage of a > big antenna on the ground is that it can't fall down and, for the local > planning committe, it's less than 9 feet high. > Some time ago I tried to simulate this by making a dipole for 21MHz and had a > number of QSOs through it while gradually lowering it's height and retrimming > as I went. I managed to work Romania were I sent "Ant dipole 5cm agl". I > have no idea what the Romanian though of this madness and he didn't stay around > long to find out. > Incidentally, at about 2 inches off the ground the antenna was resonant at > about 20% less than it's normal 'free space length'. Never did find a big field > to try it on 136k. > David G0MRF I did some work on low horizontal dipoles when in GW, though always with some centre inductive loading. I was on top of a mountain for two reasons: there was plenty of space, and I assumed that the soil conductivity was poor. I ran several hundred metres of wire along a fence line, slightly sloping as the fence ran uphill. These experiments were on 73kHz, and for a short time I held the world one-way distance record (8km!) using this arrangement. When trying for the first GW-GI on 73kHz, I was forced to repeat the test because there was absolutely no wind and my kite antenna would not fly, even on top of the mountain. The dipole was not successful and the test failed. The Q seemed very low and I think absorption by the ground was too great. It worked OK on receive, though. In 1999, the late John Taylor, G0AKN, did some tests from Cornwall using very long horizontal wires terminated in earth rods. The results were poor (see http://www.lf.thersgb.net/gallery/g0akn.htm). I suspect the critical factor is height. The antenna would have to be as high as some of our Marconis are, but also very long. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14713 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 14:04:24 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 14:04:24 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 16950 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Aug 2003 14:04:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 14:04:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jfsv-0004SB-Jo for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:00:25 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jfsq-0004S2-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:00:20 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@bocedwards.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1060005613!1012587 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=bocedwards.com,-,- Received: (qmail 32476 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 14:00:13 -0000 Received: from ukfw1.ge.boc.com (193.131.2.157) by server-14.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 14:00:13 -0000 Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PTKGF56J; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:06:03 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <33WG59A6>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:00:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: 500m drums of coax dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false David, > Yes, yes I agree. But there is something interesting about seeing a self resonant antenna at these frequencies. Also I remember a QEX article a while ago that detailed underground dipoles used by USAF for emergency communication with aircraft. The efficiencies were all less than 5 % but that's much better than our -30dB etc. The USAF antennas were suspended in tubes so the antenna had a few inches of 'air' before meeting the soil. I remember seeing a Buried Antenna' article some time back! I'll see if I can find this. BTW, when you resonate your antenna don't neglect the the reduction in length due to the change in 'velocity factor' because of the proximity of the ground. This may reduce the length considerably (and save some work/money). Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8021 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 06:24:54 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 06:24:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16858 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Aug 2003 06:24:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 06:24:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jYlP-0000En-3R for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:24:11 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.102] (helo=imo-r06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jYlL-0000Ee-8E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 07:24:07 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.25.3c837aef (17526) for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 02:23:33 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <25.3c837aef.2c5f55e4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 02:23:32 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Subject: Re: LF: Web site access Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 8/3/03 4:45:20 PM GMT Daylight Time, Alan.Melia@btinternet.com writes:

Hi all, I would be interested if anyone has tried to access my web site
today and failed to get a connection. Although I ran my screen grabber for
several hours this morning (FTP upload) I was totally unable to access my
site as a user, starting around 1000BST this morning. I have submitted a
strong complaint to my ISP.



It's OK at the moment.     ( Monday 07.25 ) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21602 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 02:59:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 02:59:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13370 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 02:59:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 02:59:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jVY6-0006yZ-N9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:58:14 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.18] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jVY2-0006yO-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 03:58:10 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 19:57:39 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 02:57:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, jsm@gulfislands.com Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 18:57:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2003 02:57:39.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A77F650:01C35A34] Subject: LF: WD2XDW on higher power Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Currently pushing a couple of amps into the aerial but still do some work on the frequency source and main PSU. Power into the main coil is around 120W so Im keeping things choked back. Present freq is close to 137.774 +- drift Callsign is at QRSS6/8 wpm. Im not seeing any signs of DCF39 at the moment so a couple of months before it may be possible to hear it in Eu but hopefull more chance from the Americas. Ill be running it on test tonight from 0300Z-1500Z Monday. Everything seems very stable - the fan on the main toriod has dont the trick and from what I can see, and no arcing from the array - mbore to do here.. Laurence KL1X. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3426 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 15:52:42 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 15:52:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 29259 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Aug 2003 15:52:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 15:52:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jL9Y-00027X-Kz for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:52:12 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jL9U-00027O-UZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:52:09 +0100 Received: from host217-34-78-163.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.78.163] helo=dellboy) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19jL9U-0006Pj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:52:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c359d7$6bede7a0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c359d5$efbf3ea0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:53:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Web site access Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Seems OK to me alan. Your displayed grab says 11:04 on it. BTI's FTP server is renowned for going down (in fact most of their servers are...) 73 Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: LF: Web site access > Hi all, I would be interested if anyone has tried to access my web site > today and failed to get a connection. Although I ran my screen grabber for > several hours this morning (FTP upload) I was totally unable to access my > site as a user, starting around 1000BST this morning. I have submitted a > strong complaint to my ISP. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21677 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 15:45:44 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 15:45:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 25370 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Aug 2003 15:45:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 15:45:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jL1d-00022h-Di for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:44:01 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jL1Z-00022Y-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:43:57 +0100 Received: from host213-122-0-131.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.0.131] helo=Main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19jL1Y-0002Da-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 16:43:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c359d5$efbf3ea0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:42:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Web site access Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, I would be interested if anyone has tried to access my web site today and failed to get a connection. Although I ran my screen grabber for several hours this morning (FTP upload) I was totally unable to access my site as a user, starting around 1000BST this morning. I have submitted a strong complaint to my ISP. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27272 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 18:03:03 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 18:03:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12995 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Aug 2003 18:03:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 18:03:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19j0iD-0003P4-HR for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:02:37 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19j0i9-0003Ov-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:02:33 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-28.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.28] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19j0i7-000LN1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:02:32 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c35920$5afc1000$75c428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:51:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500m drums of coax dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Ah but they have the first 35 feet vertical. I have lately wondered how far one can get on 20m with an equivalent inverted L to scale ie about 4 inches vertical with around 12 inches horizontal. - [ and a few ground rods driven 1" into the lawn ?] . Not an expensive experiment until the final blows up I suppose and any suggestion that the radiation all comes from the feeder I shall stoutly deny. even if the balun is taller than the antenna. Hmm.. back to the drawing board Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Bryant To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 02 August 2003 17:22 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500m drums of coax dipole >But compared to 2000m the 10 to 20m that most folks manage is still >small. > >As I write this I look out at the farmers field behind my new house >reasonably high on the north downs. Perhaps I should take a reel of >cable down the edge of his field, and through the woods beyond. >I could not manage a dipole, but perhaps it is worth trying one of the >grounded at both ends, on the ground, loops that were talked about >in the early days. > >Can anyone remember what sort of length one needs to start with? > >Stewart G3YSX > > > >captbrian wrote: >> Is there the slightest evidence that 136 propagates (propogates?) by >> scatter or reflection.? I assume most of a 2" high dipole radiation goes >> straight up to Mars. >> >> Bryan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: G0MRF@aol.com >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: 02 August 2003 11:47 >> Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? >> >> >> >>> >>>>>Are you making a coax dipole for 136? >>>>> >>>>>73 >>>>>John Rabson G3PAI >>>> >>>I've always wondered about dipoles / loops at 136k? >>>A 'dipole' just lying on rocky ground where the water table is many metres >>>below the surface could be quite effective. The angle of radiation would be >> >> poor >> >>>but the efficiency may not be as bad as first suppossed. One advantage of a >>>big antenna on the ground is that it can't fall down and, for the local >>>planning committe, it's less than 9 feet high. >>> >>>Some time ago I tried to simulate this by making a dipole for 21MHz and had >> >> a >> >>>number of QSOs through it while gradually lowering it's height and >> >> retrimming >> >>>as I went. I managed to work Romania were I sent "Ant dipole 5cm agl". I >>>have no idea what the Romanian though of this madness and he didn't stay >> >> around >> >>>long to find out. >>>Incidentally, at about 2 inches off the ground the antenna was resonant at >>>about 20% less than it's normal 'free space length'. Never did find a big >> >> field >> >>>to try it on 136k. >>> >>>73 >>> >>>David G0MRF >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 110 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 17:31:45 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 17:31:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 28271 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Aug 2003 17:31:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 17:31:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19j0DU-0003DF-8L for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:30:52 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19j0DQ-0003D5-Ea for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:30:48 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@bocedwards.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1059845415!905670 X-StarScan-Version: 5.0.7; banners=bocedwards.com,-,- Received: (qmail 16678 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 17:30:16 -0000 Received: from ukfw1.ge.boc.com (193.131.2.157) by server-2.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 17:30:16 -0000 Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PTKG10YB; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:36:06 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <33WG5VAM>; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:30:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: 500m drums of coax dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false David, I hate to break the news to you but theory and loads of experimentation have shown that the horizontal portion of a wave this long is short-circuited by the ground surrounding the transmitting antenna. Therefore a horizontal LF dipole is very ineffective at any practical height above ground. This why verticals and loop antennas (mounted in the vertical plane) are used exclusively at these frequencies. You may find, however, that your long dipole turns the conductive portions of the soil into some kind 'ground antenna' having a vertical component... so I wish you well. And keep us posted! Bill A -----Original Message----- From: captbrian [mailto:captbrian@ukonline.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:18 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: 500m drums of coax dipole Is there the slightest evidence that 136 propagates (propogates?) by scatter or reflection.? I assume most of a 2" high dipole radiation goes straight up to Mars. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: G0MRF@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 02 August 2003 11:47 Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? > > >> >Are you making a coax dipole for 136? >> > >> >73 >> >John Rabson G3PAI >> >I've always wondered about dipoles / loops at 136k? >A 'dipole' just lying on rocky ground where the water table is many metres >below the surface could be quite effective. The angle of radiation would be poor >but the efficiency may not be as bad as first suppossed. One advantage of a >big antenna on the ground is that it can't fall down and, for the local >planning committe, it's less than 9 feet high. > >Some time ago I tried to simulate this by making a dipole for 21MHz and had a >number of QSOs through it while gradually lowering it's height and retrimming >as I went. I managed to work Romania were I sent "Ant dipole 5cm agl". I >have no idea what the Romanian though of this madness and he didn't stay around >long to find out. >Incidentally, at about 2 inches off the ground the antenna was resonant at >about 20% less than it's normal 'free space length'. Never did find a big field >to try it on 136k. > >73 > >David G0MRF > _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by MCI's Internet Managed Scanning Services - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.mci.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15538 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 16:17:38 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 16:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 20200 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Aug 2003 16:17:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 16:17:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19iz2t-0002oq-9n for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:15:51 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.70] (helo=heisenberg.zen.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19iz2p-0002oh-Eu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:15:47 +0100 Received: from 82-68-48-134.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk ([82.68.48.134] helo=virgin.net) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19iz2o-0007tT-HZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 16:15:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3F2BE3B1.8030300@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:15:45 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c358f0$32b7af80$75c428c3@bryan2> X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.68.48.134] Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500m drums of coax dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false But compared to 2000m the 10 to 20m that most folks manage is still small. As I write this I look out at the farmers field behind my new house reasonably high on the north downs. Perhaps I should take a reel of cable down the edge of his field, and through the woods beyond. I could not manage a dipole, but perhaps it is worth trying one of the grounded at both ends, on the ground, loops that were talked about in the early days. Can anyone remember what sort of length one needs to start with? Stewart G3YSX captbrian wrote: > Is there the slightest evidence that 136 propagates (propogates?) by > scatter or reflection.? I assume most of a 2" high dipole radiation goes > straight up to Mars. > > Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: G0MRF@aol.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: 02 August 2003 11:47 > Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? > > > >> >>>>Are you making a coax dipole for 136? >>>> >>>>73 >>>>John Rabson G3PAI >>> >>I've always wondered about dipoles / loops at 136k? >>A 'dipole' just lying on rocky ground where the water table is many metres >>below the surface could be quite effective. The angle of radiation would be > > poor > >>but the efficiency may not be as bad as first suppossed. One advantage of a >>big antenna on the ground is that it can't fall down and, for the local >>planning committe, it's less than 9 feet high. >> >>Some time ago I tried to simulate this by making a dipole for 21MHz and had > > a > >>number of QSOs through it while gradually lowering it's height and > > retrimming > >>as I went. I managed to work Romania were I sent "Ant dipole 5cm agl". I >>have no idea what the Romanian though of this madness and he didn't stay > > around > >>long to find out. >>Incidentally, at about 2 inches off the ground the antenna was resonant at >>about 20% less than it's normal 'free space length'. Never did find a big > > field > >>to try it on 136k. >> >>73 >> >>David G0MRF >> > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28103 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 12:18:34 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 12:18:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 524 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Aug 2003 12:18:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 12:18:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ivKb-0001m2-8Y for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:17:53 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ivKX-0001lt-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:17:49 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-117.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.117] helo=bryan2) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ivKV-000KRB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 13:17:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c358f0$32b7af80$75c428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:17:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 500m drums of coax dipole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Is there the slightest evidence that 136 propagates (propogates?) by scatter or reflection.? I assume most of a 2" high dipole radiation goes straight up to Mars. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: G0MRF@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 02 August 2003 11:47 Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? > > >> >Are you making a coax dipole for 136? >> > >> >73 >> >John Rabson G3PAI >> >I've always wondered about dipoles / loops at 136k? >A 'dipole' just lying on rocky ground where the water table is many metres >below the surface could be quite effective. The angle of radiation would be poor >but the efficiency may not be as bad as first suppossed. One advantage of a >big antenna on the ground is that it can't fall down and, for the local >planning committe, it's less than 9 feet high. > >Some time ago I tried to simulate this by making a dipole for 21MHz and had a >number of QSOs through it while gradually lowering it's height and retrimming >as I went. I managed to work Romania were I sent "Ant dipole 5cm agl". I >have no idea what the Romanian though of this madness and he didn't stay around >long to find out. >Incidentally, at about 2 inches off the ground the antenna was resonant at >about 20% less than it's normal 'free space length'. Never did find a big field >to try it on 136k. > >73 > >David G0MRF > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17687 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 10:45:24 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 10:45:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7063 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2003 10:45:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Aug 2003 10:45:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19itsA-0001Fs-7T for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:44:26 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.103] (helo=imo-r07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19its6-0001Fc-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 11:44:22 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.b7.3495ba76 (3890) for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 06:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 06:43:44 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? 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>Are you making a coax dipole for 136?
>
>73
>John Rabson G3PAI

I've always wondered about dipoles / loops at 136k?
A 'dipole' just lying on rocky ground where the water table is many metres below the surface could be quite effective. The angle of radiation would be poor but the efficiency may not be as bad as first suppossed. One advantage of a big antenna on the ground is that it can't fall down and, for the local planning committe, it's less than 9 feet high.

Some time ago I tried to simulate this by making a dipole for 21MHz and had a number of QSOs through it while gradually lowering it's height and retrimming as I went. I managed to work Romania were I sent "Ant dipole  5cm agl".  I have no idea what the Romanian though of this madness and he didn't stay around long to find out.
Incidentally, at about 2 inches off the ground the antenna was resonant at about 20% less than it's normal 'free space length'. Never did find a big field to try it on 136k.

73

David  G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25659 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 22:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 18602 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Aug 2003 22:13:20 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 22:13:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ii8U-000658-O5 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:12:30 +0100 Received: from [213.165.64.100] (helo=mx0.gmx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ii8Q-00064o-SC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 23:12:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 1432 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2003 22:11:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:11:56 +0200 (MEST) From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000601c35455$dc457a40$6507a8c0@Main> X-Priority: 3 X-Authenticated-Sender: #0019315557@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [217.2.97.11] Message-ID: <21120.1059775916@www61.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Subject: LF: Re: Acty on 27.th/28th Sept. 2003 QRSS-Bandwidth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Group, of cours we will waqtvch neighbouring cw-channels. We will use an RX EKD 300 with an 100 Hz IF-Filter . So we can monitor during transmitting +/- 50 Hz, my station has a qsk-circuit for LW. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND > Comment inserted.......... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" > To: > Cc: ; ; ; > > Sent: 26 July 2003 23:52 > Subject: LF: Lowfer Activity Day on 27.th/28th Sept. 2003 > > > > German Long Wave Activity Day of the DARC district Wuerttemberg at the > > 27./28. September 2003 > > > > Like last year the local DARC association Hohenstaufen P41 is arranging > the > > Long Wave Activity Day of the district Wuerttemberg. > > Starting on Saturday afternoon at 12.00 UTC until Sunday 12.00 UTC it > will > > be transmitted on the long wave frequency 136 KHz in CW, in the evening > in > the > > new mode QRSS-CW too. > > > > Our preferred frequencies: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 KHz, qrss3 (one > CW > > dot lasts three seconds). 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T-Online - 6. freenet.de - 7. daybyday - 8. e-Post From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9681 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 17:53:38 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 17:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10984 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 17:53:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 17:53:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ie5U-0004ot-5a for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:53:08 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ie5Q-0004oi-7h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:53:04 +0100 Received: from tnt-18-218.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.218] helo=bryan2) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ie5P-0008Fw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:53:03 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c35855$de183a20$dae086d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:53:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500m drums of coax? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Why not move the transmitter 500 metres nearer the antenna? -----Original Message----- From: John Rabson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 01 August 2003 18:24 Subject: LF: Re: 500m drums of coax? >Are you making a coax dipole for 136? > >73 >John Rabson G3PAI > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tracey Gardner" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:08 PM >Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? > > >> I wonder if anyone on the list knows where I can purchase 500m rolls/drums >> of either RG58 or RG59 from in the UK? >> >> I've just picked up a brand new 500m roll of RG59 on ebay for the grand >> price of £6.50 and I'd like another to go with it, but I haven't yet >managed >> to find a supplier who sells rolls over 250m long. >> >> Thanks >> >> Tracey >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12301 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 17:21:39 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 17:21:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8647 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Aug 2003 17:21:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 17:21:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19idaD-0004ck-1v for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:20:49 +0100 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ida9-0004cb-Bt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:20:45 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19ida7-0008Lw-00 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 18:20:43 +0100 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0269.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.13]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.zet) with ESMTP id h71HKfUS008161 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:20:41 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c35851$48c214e0$0d31f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c30a5d$414ff020$6507a8c0@Main> <020c01c355eb$9eefd860$fad5fea9@smiley> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:14:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 500m drums of coax? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Are you making a coax dipole for 136? 73 John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Gardner" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? > I wonder if anyone on the list knows where I can purchase 500m rolls/drums > of either RG58 or RG59 from in the UK? > > I've just picked up a brand new 500m roll of RG59 on ebay for the grand > price of £6.50 and I'd like another to go with it, but I haven't yet managed > to find a supplier who sells rolls over 250m long. > > Thanks > > Tracey > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26464 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 15:37:40 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 15:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6322 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Aug 2003 15:37:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 15:37:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ibwU-000413-WB for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:35:42 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ibwQ-00040r-Lz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:35:38 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-172.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.172] helo=bryan2) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ibwP-0008dM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:35:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c35842$abe67980$acc428c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:36:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: tst OT NO Message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false TST NM OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26649 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 07:14:21 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 07:14:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15976 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 07:14:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 07:14:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19iU5E-0000A3-MA for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:12:12 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19iU5A-00009u-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:12:08 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19iU59-000ISd-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:12:07 +0100 Message-ID: <$tRVKAAMPgK$Mwhh@telemetry.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:08:12 +0100 To: "RSGB LF Group" From: "Tom Boucher" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Subject: LF: Ropes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thanks to Alan, Rik, Gary, Porto Brian and Captain Bryan for useful responses on the subject of alternatives to polypropylene rope. 73, Tom G3OLB