From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11168 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 20:35:46 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 20:35:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 10569 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 20:35:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 20:35:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19iK84-00054W-VL for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:34:28 +0100 Received: from [213.40.2.14] (helo=gourd.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19iK80-00054N-Q0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:34:24 +0100 Received: from [213.40.201.87] (helo=taylormade01) by gourd.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 19iK7S-0004Vq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:33:51 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Polypropylene Ropes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE,ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Tom, To raise & lower my inverted V antenna I'm using a cheap (possibly polypropylene I think) builders chalk line, a 30 Mtr length for about £1.29 from B & Q (maybe cheaper at a builders merchant), that makes it cheap enough to replace regularly. I also use fishing line, which is UV proof (30 pound breaking strain) for supporting ends of the antenna wire etc, that was £3.00 for 150 Mtrs, higher breaking strain is also available from the local fishing tackle shop. Regards Gary G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Tom Boucher Sent: 31 July 2003 08:07 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: Polypropylene Ropes Hello Group Has anyone out there found a low-cost alternative to polypropylene ropes for use as guys and halyards? The readily available, usually blue, polyprop is affected by UV and, after a couple of years, becomes brittle and breaks. If you then handle it, it will tear your hands to pieces, leaving lots of splinters. Polyprop is available cheaply at around 10 or 12p a metre and as my VLW antenna has a total of 8 halyards, I need something low cost. I intend to visit a chandlers store and seek their advice, but wondered if anyone has any ideas? 73, Tom G3OLB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7503 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 19:40:58 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 19:40:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 5427 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 19:40:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 19:40:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19iJH8-0004gF-8J for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:39:46 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19iJH4-0004g6-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:39:42 +0100 Received: from dial81-135-34-68.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.135.34.68] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19iJH3-0002Ti-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:39:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c3579b$692fe600$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:36:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: DCF39<>CT1DRP plots Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, for anyone who wants to collect the daily plots of the Signal Strength of DCF39 as recorded by Brian in Porto (these are appended to my propagation reports) the months for 2003 so far have been zipped up and are available on my website in the "Useful Programs" page Each month is about 250kB to 300kB of .ZIP file. Where there are gaps the system was down. I have "jumped the gun" a little with July and there will be another two graphs to add to the zip later. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5485 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 09:27:49 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 09:27:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 2677 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 09:27:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 09:27:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19i9hX-0007do-V4 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:26:23 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19i9hU-0007df-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:26:20 +0100 Received: from host213-122-56-50.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.56.50] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19i9hT-0004cf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:26:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c35745$b0d031a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200373110400.872777@savage> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:25:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Radar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Ko and yet another one coving a larger area http://129.13.102.67/pics/Rsfloc.gif Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ko Versteeg" To: "RSGB LF" Sent: 31 July 2003 09:39 Subject: LF: Radar Dear Group. Quiet new perhaps but usefull for those keeping track of thunderstorms Over Europe... Some do. http://home.hccnet.nl/uffe.noucha/radar.htm And another one without bells and whistles http://www.blikseminslagen.com/vdh/gpg/lex1/mapdisplay_free.jsp 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6592 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 09:13:00 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 09:13:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14636 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 09:12:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 09:12:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19i9Tk-0007Po-Jv for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:12:08 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.27] (helo=iceman.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19i9Tg-0007Pb-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:12:04 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (sjm096.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.224]) by iceman.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6V7xYbQ031192 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:59:34 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030731085136.020ee800@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:12:01 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Polypropylene Ropes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Tom, I have used what the salesman described as "Polyethylene" for the last 14 years in CT sunshine. It is green, with breaking strain of 300Kg for 5mm rope and said to be used in the fishing industry. At the time the it cost about £5+VAT for a 200m roll which weighed about 3Kg. (Must be more expensive now---everything else is). I use 7mm for the 136 aerial because it is easier to handle. I haven't had a breakage yet but usually take the precaution of replacing the critical halyards every two years and relegating the two year old rope to less arduous duties. Also no problem handling the older rope. Unfortunately there were no printed specifications when I asked. 73, Brian CT1DRP At 08:06 31/07/2003, you wrote: >Hello Group > >Has anyone out there found a low-cost alternative to polypropylene ropes >for use as guys and halyards? The readily available, usually blue, >polyprop is affected by UV and, after a couple of years, becomes brittle >and breaks. If you then handle it, it will tear your hands to pieces, >leaving lots of splinters. > >Polyprop is available cheaply at around 10 or 12p a metre and as my VLW >antenna has a total of 8 halyards, I need something low cost. I intend >to visit a chandlers store and seek their advice, but wondered if anyone >has any ideas? > >73, Tom G3OLB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7854 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 08:57:39 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:57:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 29076 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 08:57:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:57:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19i9F4-0007Be-7y for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:56:58 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19i9F0-0007BT-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:56:54 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-165.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.165] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19i9Ex-000ESF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:56:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c35741$cd79ace0$a51686d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:52:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Polypropylene Ropes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Try Boat Jumbles. (Chichester has one early Sept) but they are all around coast often in aid of Life-boat funds. "Yachties" discard running rigging at the slightes hint of obselescence (ok ok I cant spell obselesc etc ) with years of life left in it. Find coils of double plaited nylon and or terylene for a few quid. I assume your loads are a lot less than those on taut sails. Chandlery prices fall away according to an inverse square law relating to distance from Hamble. But jumble prices are lowest near there as rich boat-owners discard more readily. Take a day off and go to Cowes the week AFTER Cowes week see what second hand stuff local "junk" shops may have. I'll look in my local chandler for you later today. One good turn deserves another .. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Bryan G3GVB/MM :-) ~~ /) _I)_l) ~ ~ /) _ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ -----Original Message----- From: Tom Boucher To: RSGB LF Group Date: 31 July 2003 09:13 Subject: LF: Polypropylene Ropes >Hello Group > >Has anyone out there found a low-cost alternative to polypropylene ropes >for use as guys and halyards? The readily available, usually blue, >polyprop is affected by UV and, after a couple of years, becomes brittle >and breaks. If you then handle it, it will tear your hands to pieces, >leaving lots of splinters. > >Polyprop is available cheaply at around 10 or 12p a metre and as my VLW >antenna has a total of 8 halyards, I need something low cost. I intend >to visit a chandlers store and seek their advice, but wondered if anyone >has any ideas? > >73, Tom G3OLB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12695 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 08:44:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:44:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 22266 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 08:44:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:44:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19i92h-0006xa-4y for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:44:11 +0100 Received: from [134.58.240.42] (helo=rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19i92d-0006x1-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:44:07 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A471D737C for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8924A1D737A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:43:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AED8AEA69 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:43:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030731102530.02feb418@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:43:37 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: Polypropylene Ropes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Tom,

Some alternatives :
Nylon rope is, in contradiction to polypropylene, UV resistant. It is readily available but a bit more expensive than polyprop.
UV resistant polypropylene rope, but the dye that makes it UV resistant seems to be orange, I don't know if you like that color high up in the air. It is commonly used in boating (safety lines).
Polyester/nylon ropes can be found as heavy-duty fishing lines. It has an even better UV resistance than nylon rope and is very strong.

73, Rik  ON7YD

PS : I am using 5mm (0.2 inch) nylon rope to keep my antenna up and it withstands the sun now for 4 years, I believe I paid about 10-15 Euro for a 100m roll.


At 08:06 31/07/2003 +0100, you wrote:
Hello Group

Has anyone out there found a low-cost alternative to polypropylene ropes
for use as guys and halyards? The readily available, usually blue,
polyprop is affected by UV and, after a couple of years, becomes brittle
and breaks. If you then handle it, it will tear your hands to pieces,
leaving lots of splinters.

Polyprop is available cheaply at around 10 or 12p a metre and as my VLW
antenna has a total of 8 halyards, I need something low cost. I intend
to visit a chandlers store and seek their advice, but wondered if anyone
has any ideas?

73, Tom G3OLB
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12530 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 08:39:28 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:39:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12913 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 08:39:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:39:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19i8x9-0006hr-52 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:38:27 +0100 Received: from [194.134.35.176] (helo=smtp5.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19i8x5-0006hi-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:38:23 +0100 Received: from savage (i2175.vwr.wanadoo.nl [194.134.216.136]) by smtp5.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 34AA67672F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:38:21 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ko Versteeg" To: "RSGB LF" X-Mailer: PocoMail 2.64 (1120) - Licensed Version Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:39:40 +0200 Message-ID: <200373110400.872777@savage> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Radar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Group. Quiet new perhaps but usefull for those keeping track of thunderstorms Over Europe... Some do. http://home.hccnet.nl/uffe.noucha/radar.htm And another one without bells and whistles http://www.blikseminslagen.com/vdh/gpg/lex1/mapdisplay_free.jsp 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7211 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 08:12:30 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:12:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29680 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jul 2003 08:12:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 08:12:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19i8Vt-0006UK-HK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:10:17 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.80] (helo=anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19i8Vp-0006UB-LR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:10:13 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19i8Vo-0006QY-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:10:13 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:06:58 +0100 To: "RSGB LF Group" From: "Tom Boucher" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Subject: LF: Polypropylene Ropes X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Group Has anyone out there found a low-cost alternative to polypropylene ropes for use as guys and halyards? The readily available, usually blue, polyprop is affected by UV and, after a couple of years, becomes brittle and breaks. If you then handle it, it will tear your hands to pieces, leaving lots of splinters. Polyprop is available cheaply at around 10 or 12p a metre and as my VLW antenna has a total of 8 halyards, I need something low cost. 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Message ID: jnfy From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12597 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 19:16:21 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 19:16:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 5266 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Jul 2003 19:16:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 19:16:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19hZw6-0005wD-Ln for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:15:02 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.141] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19hZw0-0005w1-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:14:56 +0100 Received: from [80.40.54.180] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19hZvz-0005fK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:14:55 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c35605$86574f80$b4362850@RSGB613192> From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <126.2e36606c.2c57f5cd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:13:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF:GPS Locked signalling at LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thans to those who replied to me directly on this subject, there certainly does appear to be some interest and in 2 - 3 weeks I'll be in a position to listen for some weak signals.
 
In the meantine how about this :
 
A PIC with on board A/D converter (8 bit is more than adequate) samples an audio waveform at, say, 1kHz (or 800Hz).  This can be downconverted to zero freqeuncy quite easily with a simple bit of PIC software by multiplying by an 8 step I and Q internally generated waveform. 
Now here's a bit I think ought to work but need to test the idea.  If a GPS pulse every second is used to synchronise the PIC's internally generated LO at precisely the same point each second this will effectively lock the LO.  About 1000 I/Q samples are accumulated and output as RS232 words for further processing.   With an 8 bit conversion, the only additional hardware needed apart from the PIC would be sufficient anti alliassing filtering to eliminate audio components below 500Hz and above 1.5kHz.   Any CW filter in a receiver can do this so with a very simple interface, GPS locked clock and timing recovery is possible.  An even simple conversion using a square wave internal LO at 4kHz is also possible, but now teh anti allias filter has to prevent frequencies below 750Hz and above 1250Hz from getting to the A/D
 
Andy  G4JNT
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14781 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 18:45:21 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 18:45:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 6488 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Jul 2003 18:45:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 18:45:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19hZST-0005hh-0v for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:44:25 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.24] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19hZSP-0005hK-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:44:21 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:43:49 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:43:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:43:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2003 18:43:49.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[59B4C100:01C35601] Subject: LF: Emission designator WD2XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Group - Ref Alaskan WD2XDW beacon I had a conversation with the FCC OET officer responsible for my part 5 licence application and grant this morning. I explained my concerns of being able to CWID the beacon at some rate able to be read by the authorities and, per the part 5 regs, ID (quickly) not more than every 30 mins. (Yes this limits my slow QRSS beacon speed) - Given that my licence emissions designator allows me only 5 Hz this doesnt work (that was my fault). He listened intentely and said it wasnt a problem and that I can ID at 6/12 wpm in the interim but I should go on line and do a modify on the licence and add an emission with a new bandwidth statement for A1A (probably 120Hz) and Ill do the same allowing DFCW (Ok what the heck bandwidth F1D statement do I do for this....?) this will then go thru the FCCmill and hopefully pop out the other side intact. I broached the subject of a station move to (probably) Oklahoma - and again this would be a modiifcation of the existing licence and not a full reapply. Oklahoma is the best bet for the next location. I didnt ask this time but will do when I move, for permission to allow 2 x way communications for propagation research (duality of path , skew, tunnelling, sub-iono and all those other propagation possibles) with stations in the US and outwith. Part 5 does have a clause pertaining to 2 way permissions but the reasons to allow it have to be very watertight....and they will be. It sounded like other part 5s were in process for 136kHz.. Whew. Cheers Laurence _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7398 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 16:13:53 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 16:13:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 22444 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Jul 2003 16:13:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 16:13:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19hX61-0004cb-8i for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:13:05 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19hX5x-0004cO-AF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:13:01 +0100 Received: from smiley ([62.253.49.163]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030729161256.YVNB25208.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@smiley> for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:12:56 +0100 Message-ID: <020c01c355eb$9eefd860$fad5fea9@smiley> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c30a5d$414ff020$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:08:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 500m drums of coax? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I wonder if anyone on the list knows where I can purchase 500m rolls/drums of either RG58 or RG59 from in the UK? I've just picked up a brand new 500m roll of RG59 on ebay for the grand price of £6.50 and I'd like another to go with it, but I haven't yet managed to find a supplier who sells rolls over 250m long. Thanks Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30835 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2003 16:10:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 16:10:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12015 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Jul 2003 16:10:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jul 2003 16:10:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19hX1S-0004Zd-Vs for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:08:22 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.5] (helo=imo-m02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19hX1O-0004Xa-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:08:19 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.126.2e36606c (4222) for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <126.2e36606c.2c57f5cd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:07:41 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 50 Subject: Re: LF:GPS Locked signalling at LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Andy and group,

This *may* be useful for anyone wanting to play with the soundcard without having to go into windows programming. In fact, you can use Basic in a DOS window if you like.

I have a utility which reads samples from the soundcard, stereo or mono, with optional I/Q multiplication with an NCO, adjustable center frequency, and decimation of the sampling rate up to 2^12.

The "interface" between the utility and your application is a simple disk file. All your program must be able to do is open, read, close, and delete disk files. The sound utility is command-line driven, so you can tell it what to do from your own application.

If I had more time (*sigh*) I'd like to play with slow BPSK, but at the moment i don't have. Too busy from implementing DF6NM's colour direction finder in a windoze environment.

The utility (for Soundcard and a PIC-based two-channel ADC) is available on my website at www.qsl.net/dl4yhf.

Regards,
Wolf  DL4YHF. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12361 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 13:50:08 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 13:50:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20039 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Jul 2003 13:50:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 13:50:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19h8Mk-0002SW-6t for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:48:42 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.6] (helo=imo-m03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19h8Mc-0002SH-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:48:34 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.7e.3ba127ff (3858) for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:47:55 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.3ba127ff.2c56838b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:47:55 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 Subject: Re: LF:GPS Locked signalling at LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 7/28/03 12:22:29 PM GMT Daylight Time, g4jnt@thersgb.net writes:

With a low cost GPS module (and they are becoming very cheap now !) anyone can
get a 1 pulse per second signal accurate to within a microsecond of UTC.  Which
makes all the usual requirements for decoding coherent transmissions such as
clock and carrier recovery redundant.  


This, as always from Andy, is a good idea. But, is it possible to use the data output stream from the standard Garmin etc GPS units? A number of us have eTREX and other units in our cars and it would be a much more appealing excercise if it were possible to make these 'dual use' and not to have to invest in another module.
I have looked around for the 'cheap' modules, as I quite like the idea of a locked reference for my frequency counter, but they seem to be phantoms of the night. - Always just sold out or not cheap at all.

73

David   G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9559 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 11:22:32 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 11:22:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 11644 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Jul 2003 11:22:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 11:22:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19h62O-0001IA-Ly for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:19:32 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.142] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19h62G-0001Hz-7y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:19:24 +0100 Received: from [80.40.88.97] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19h62B-0003gi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:19:19 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:18:35 +0100 Message-ID: <01C35502.5E19CAB0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:18:02 +0100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF:GPS Locked signalling at LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At the end of this month a long term writing task will come to an end and I can begin to look at a number of various shelved projects again. One of these is GPS locked BPSK for LF. With a low cost GPS module (and they are becoming very cheap now !) anyone can get a 1 pulse per second signal accurate to within a microsecond of UTC. Which makes all the usual requirements for decoding coherent transmissions such as clock and carrier recovery redundant. I've had one or two ideas about simple equipment to demodulate, and not using soundcards, and will be looking for someone rto do some experimenting with. Can anyone can generate synchronised PSK with symbols that are an integral number of seconds in length and timed to within a few milliseconds of UTC ? Frequency needs to be accurate to within about a tenth of the symbol period, ie for 1 second symbols an accuracy of about 0.1Hz will suffice, for 30 second signalling 3mHz is needed. I have already made a start, using a PIC based two channel A/D converter to read the output of an I/Q detector working on the 1kHz tone from a converntional receiver. This reads the level from the I and Q mixers every second synchronised to the 1 PPS from a GPS module. The integrated I and Q voltages are sent every second to a PC which in turn integrates over a longer period and calculates the phase, plotting to a graphical display. At the moment all I have for a test signal is the GPS locked DDS source (see RadCom last year) sending a locked BPSK waveform with a sufficiently low signal leakage from a 60mm piece of wire as the antenna, to make the signal virtually undectable on ARGO with 10s dots and just about visible with 30 second dot mode and probably too weak to resolve any SlowCW signalling information. Using 30 second BPSK symbols a very rough and ready quick test last night indicated a very definite square wave phase plot, mirroring exactly the transmitted waveform that would have given reliable decoding. That's as far as I am going for now until the writing task is complete and sent off, but I also have an outline idea for a even simpler PIC based interface that does away with the I/Q detector, taking in the 1kHz directly and generating a GPS synchronised quadrature LO internally, but that will have to wait a few weeks. Meanwhile, if there are any Windows programmers who would be interested in taking this on board with a view to producing a soundcard version can you get in touch. In the Chirpview software by G0TJZ, Andrew locks the Soundcard to GPS by feeding the pulse into one of the audio channels which gives a resolution equal to the sampling rate. For slow signalling at LF a few tens of milliseconds timing accuracy is adequate for symbol timing, and given an accurate external 1 PPS signal, GPS itself may not even be essential if this can be set with reference to another timing reference - such as MSF, DCF etc. Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9999 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 00:33:50 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 00:33:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 18005 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2003 00:33:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 00:33:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19gvsg-0005kj-2O for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:28:50 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.23] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19gvsT-0005kZ-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:28:37 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:28:04 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:28:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: jsm@gulfislands.com, martin.howell@tiscali.co.uk Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:28:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2003 00:28:04.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C4541E0:01C3549F] Subject: LF: Alaskan beacon WD2XDW Operational 0001Z 28th July 03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false A low power 137Khz beacon set up test has just started from WD2XDW, some 1 mile South of Anchorage International airport Alaska, BP41XD. The frequency is 137.7738Khz and is presently continuous carrier with cw id at 6wpm every 5 mins or so. Transmissions commenced on this frequency at 0001Z 28th July 2003 Output power is just 0.5W into the array so a couple of mW erp. The antennae is a 32m vertical with a lot of capacitive top loading, bottom loaded and earth radial /electrode system. Im expecting, with luck. that the main tx will be on line later this week. Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21840 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2003 15:45:15 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 15:45:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 20208 invoked by uid 10001); 27 Jul 2003 15:45:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 2003 15:45:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19gnh9-000374-Hg for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:44:23 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19gnh5-00036v-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:44:19 +0100 Received: from host213-122-210-126.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.210.126] helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19gnh4-0004Ip-00; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:44:18 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c35455$dc457a40$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: dk1sb@darc.de, paul.arndt@stama.de, dl5sdf@t-online.de, dk7su@gmx.de References: <19flUn-1QSnVQ0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> <10153.1059259931@www61.gmx.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:43:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Lowfer Activity Day on 27.th/28th Sept. 2003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Comment inserted.......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: Cc: ; ; ; Sent: 26 July 2003 23:52 Subject: LF: Lowfer Activity Day on 27.th/28th Sept. 2003 > German Long Wave Activity Day of the DARC district Wuerttemberg at the > 27./28. September 2003 > > Like last year the local DARC association Hohenstaufen P41 is arranging the > Long Wave Activity Day of the district Wuerttemberg. > Starting on Saturday afternoon at 12.00 UTC until Sunday 12.00 UTC it will > be transmitted on the long wave frequency 136 KHz in CW, in the evening in the > new mode QRSS-CW too. > > Our preferred frequencies: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 KHz, qrss3 (one CW > dot lasts three seconds). QSK QSU (please reply exactly on the used > frequency) Can I suggest you allow a spread of up to 30Hz either side of your channel for QRSS this will make "overlap" calling possible ( a new station calling you as your current station sends his final.) This speeds things up a bit on QRSS. It also makes listening more interesting, as weak signals, that you may not hear, do not get so easily swamped by the few big signals. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com > Transmit operation is performed with the club call DK0UH and the operators > call. > Please QSL via bureau, and to the operator too. > Our locator: JN48TM in D-72589 Westerheim, southern from the city > Goeppingen. > Time: Beginning on Saturday, 27. September 2003 at 12:00 UTC until Sunday, > 12:00 UTC > Confirming operation is performed on HF 7021 kHz, the request is made on > long wave > > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa > DK8ND Chairman P41 > > Klaus Ruoff > DK1SB Press responsible > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22199 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 22:53:38 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 22:53:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25612 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 22:53:28 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 22:53:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19gXuD-0004KX-0a for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:52:49 +0100 Received: from [213.165.64.100] (helo=mx0.gmx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19gXu8-0004KO-PA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:52:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 31882 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 2003 22:52:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:52:11 +0200 (MEST) From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: dk1sb@darc.de, paul.arndt@stama.de, dl5sdf@t-online.de, dk7su@gmx.de MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19flUn-1QSnVQ0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Authenticated-Sender: #0019315557@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [217.2.97.43] Message-ID: <10153.1059259931@www61.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Subject: LF: Lowfer Activity Day on 27.th/28th Sept. 2003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false German Long Wave Activity Day of the DARC district Wuerttemberg at the 27./28. September 2003 Like last year the local DARC association Hohenstaufen P41 is arranging the Long Wave Activity Day of the district Wuerttemberg. Starting on Saturday afternoon at 12.00 UTC until Sunday 12.00 UTC it will be transmitted on the long wave frequency 136 KHz in CW, in the evening in the new mode QRSS-CW too. Our preferred frequencies: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 KHz, qrss3 (one CW dot lasts three seconds). QSK QSU (please reply exactly on the used frequency) Transmit operation is performed with the club call DK0UH and the operators call. Please QSL via bureau, and to the operator too. Our locator: JN48TM in D-72589 Westerheim, southern from the city Goeppingen. Time: Beginning on Saturday, 27. September 2003 at 12:00 UTC until Sunday, 12:00 UTC Confirming operation is performed on HF 7021 kHz, the request is made on long wave Hans-Albrecht Haffa DK8ND Chairman P41 Klaus Ruoff DK1SB Press responsible The same text, but in German Langwellenaktivitätstag des DARC-Distrikts Württemberg am 27./28.September 2003 Wie schon im vergangenen Jahr, veranstaltet der DARC-Orts-verband Hohenstaufen P41, den Langwellenaktivitätstag des Distrikts Württemberg . Von Samstag Nachmittag 14.00 Uhr bis Sonntag Nachmittag 14.00 Uhr wird auf der Langwellenfrequenz 136 kHz in CW gesendet, abends auch in der neuen Betriebsart QRSS-CW. Unsere Vorzugsfrequenzen: CW 136,50 kHz, QRSS-CW 137,70 kHz, qrss3 (ein Morsepunkt drei Sekunden). QSK QSU (bitte antworten Sie genau auf der benutzten Frequenz). Sendebetrieb mit dem Clubrufzeichen DK 0 UH und dem Rufzeichen des Operators. QSL via Bureau, auch an den Operator. Unser Locator: JN48TM Bestätigungsfunkbetrieb auf Kurzwelle 7021 kHz, die Aufforderung ergeht auf Langwelle. Zeit: Samstag, 27.September 2003 ab 14.00 MESZ (12.00 UTC) bis Sonntag, 14.00 MESZ (12.00 UTC) Veranstaltungsort ist unser Funkgelände in 72589 Westerheim, südlich von Göppingen gelegen. Autobahnausfahrt A8 Hohenstadt benutzen. Man folgt den Hinweisschildern der Gemeinde Westerheim im Ort zur Schertelshöhle. Der nähere Weg ist von uns beschildert. Für Speis und Trank ist gesorgt. DK8ND OVV P41 DK1SB Pressereferent -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Jetzt ein- oder umsteigen und USB-Speicheruhr als Prämie sichern! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22977 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 13:42:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 13:42:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 9207 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 13:42:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 13:42:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19gPIp-00013A-Sy for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:41:39 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.234] (helo=smtp05.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19gPIk-000131-On for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 14:41:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 8737 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 13:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.136.1]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp05.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jul 2003 13:41:29 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030726154136.02023130@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:45:34 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" Cc: "Arthur Bauer, PA0AOB" In-reply-to: <004501c35370$f87d2720$abc828c3@bryan2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO, MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Bryan, G3GVB wrote:

The email address for Bauer doesn't work. is this book available in English?

My fault! The correct address is aobauer@compuserve.com.

The book is not available in English.

73, Dick, PA0SE


Bryan
 G3GVB
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Rollema <d.w.rollema@freeler.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: Arthur Bauer, PA0AOB <aobauer@compuserve.com>
Date: 26 July 2003 10:53
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains


To All from PA0SE

Matti, OH2ZT wrote:


>In a book Klawitter-Herold-Oexner: "Langwellen- und Laengstwellenfunk" by
>Siebel Verlag (2000) is a good description of Goliath system pp 47-52 and
>also info about other historical VLF-LF stations.
>
>An extensive description of the Goliath station can also be found in a
>book written by my good friend Arthur O. Bauer, PA0AOB, of Amsterdam:
>Funkpeilung als alliierte Waffe gegen deutsche U-Boote 1939 - 1945, with
>subtitle Wie Schwächen und Versäumnisse bei der Funkführung der U-Boote
>zum Ausgang der "Schlacht im Atlantik"beigetragen haben.

The part on the Goliath station is a contribution by Klaus Herold and
comprises no less than 41 pages. There are block schematic diagrams,
drawings of the antenna and earth systems,  technical data of  transmitter,
valves, antenna and earth system, power supply , cooling system,  site and
even costs of the station. Also seven photographs.

You may  also be interested in the reaminig part  of the book and I
therefore list the titles of the chapters:
Vorwort
1. Einleitung
2 Der U-Boot Funkdienst, Amgriffsfläche für den Gegener
3. Ultra versus Enigma
4. Die Funkausrüstung der U-Boote
5. Huff-Duff, ein Durchbruch in der schiffsgestützten Peilung auf Kurzwellen
6. Die britische HF-Peil-Anlage FH-4
7. Huff-Duff sichert Geleitzüge (Augenzeugenberichte)
8. Die Funkführung der U-Boote in der Praxis
9. Die verschiedenen Arten von U-Boot-Funksprüchen
10. Schlussbetrachtung
Danksagung
Erganzende B eitrage
I. Die Metox-Affaire
II. Das Kurzsignalverfahren Kurier (contribution by Ralph Erskine)
III. Funkverfassung ausserhalb der Schwebunkslücke (contribution by Klaus
Herold
IV. Der Goilath-Sender (contribution by Klaus Herold

Erklärung von Abkürzungen

Literaturverzeichnis

Anhänge

Quellennachweis


This may look like another commercial on the reflector but let me assure
you that I have no commercial interest in the book whatsoever.

If you are interested in the book you better contact Arthur Bauer directly:
aobauer@compuserve.nl.

73, Dick, PA0SE


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:05 PM
>Subject: LF: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains
>
>
>Dear Group,
>
>as far as I know, living in eastern Bavaria, just a few concrete blocks can
>be found on the mountains mentioned, which have carried the antenna wires.
>
>For more details I guss I had to contact Karl Hille, DL1VU, who lives
closer
>to that region (he is a true bavarian, older than me, and lives there since
>a long time).
>
>But concerning the Lorenz Company, they got their chance to build a VLF
>station at the beginning of the second world war for erecting the so-called
>"Goliath" station for communication with submarines, operating at
>16 kHz with 1 MW transmitter output and 50% antenna efficiency, employing
>the Alexanderson principle. In the "German Museum" in Munich I have read in
>a book that submarines before New York could copy this station at a depth
of
>16-20 meters, and at about 8 meters before Japan, using magnetic aerials.
>
>This station has never been bombed by the allied forces (obviously they
>wanted to observe the traffic). The book said that at the end of the war
the
>exciter stages were destroyed by the Germans, later the Russians rushed in,
>dismantled the station and put the transmitter into acitivity again in the
>Soviet Union employing russian tubes. Nothing could be said in this book
>about the condition of the ground system.
>
>HW?
>
>73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
>
>
>"captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk> schrieb:
> > Quick ! , - Is it still there ?   ;-))
> >
> > Bryan - G3GVB
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dick Rollema <d.w.rollema@freeler.nl>
> > To: LF-Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Date: 24 July 2003 14:54
> > Subject: LF: FS formula
> >
> >
> > To All from PA0SE
> >
> > William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by
> > Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne
>am
> > Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain
>antenna
> > at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat).  This
>concerns
> > the following.
> >
> > The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the
>air
> > around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG
would
> > like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could
> > supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna
> > masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with
> > Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to
the
> > unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began
> > planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an
> > example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands
East
> > Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at
> > Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two
> > mountains, obviating the use of high masts.
> > Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two
mountain
> > tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at
1735m
> > and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops
> > was 2700m.  About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an
> > insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the
> > Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted,
>fed
> > against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh
land
> > around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to
be
> > higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the
> > mountain tops was used.
> > Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over
> > the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found
to
> > be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts,
seven
> > 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts.
> > In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by
that
> > time it  had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small
> > antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even
better
> > than on VLF.
> > The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting
> > formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around  a
vertical
> > antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by  M. Bäumler.
> > (also as attachment).
> > Field Strength.jpg
> > E = field strength in V/m
> > I = current in the current maximum of the antenna.
> > hw = effective height in m.
> > lambda = wave length in m.
> > d = distance in m.
> > j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift.
> >
> > The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric
component
> > of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field
with
> > 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far
> > field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field.
> > It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at
>the
> > distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and
> > certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength
is
> > negligible.
> > The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas
> > for reception.
> >
> > Now an example:
> > A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a
> > radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm.
> > To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m.
Entering
> > these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to
be
> > 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR
> > curves for ground wave propagation.
> >
> > 73, Dick, PA0SE
> > JN22GD
> >
> >
> >
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32345 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 12:25:08 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 12:25:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 17110 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 12:24:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 12:24:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19gO6C-0000TR-Af for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:24:32 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19gO68-0000TI-2z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:24:28 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-39.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.39] helo=bryan2) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19gO60-0002f3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:24:20 +0100 Message-ID: <004501c35370$f87d2720$abc828c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:24:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dick, The email address for Bauer doesn't work. is this book available in English? Bryan G3GVB -----Original Message----- From: Dick Rollema To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Arthur Bauer, PA0AOB Date: 26 July 2003 10:53 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains To All from PA0SE Matti, OH2ZT wrote: >In a book Klawitter-Herold-Oexner: "Langwellen- und Laengstwellenfunk" by >Siebel Verlag (2000) is a good description of Goliath system pp 47-52 and >also info about other historical VLF-LF stations. > >An extensive description of the Goliath station can also be found in a >book written by my good friend Arthur O. Bauer, PA0AOB, of Amsterdam: >Funkpeilung als alliierte Waffe gegen deutsche U-Boote 1939 - 1945, with >subtitle Wie Schwächen und Versäumnisse bei der Funkführung der U-Boote >zum Ausgang der "Schlacht im Atlantik"beigetragen haben. The part on the Goliath station is a contribution by Klaus Herold and comprises no less than 41 pages. There are block schematic diagrams, drawings of the antenna and earth systems, technical data of transmitter, valves, antenna and earth system, power supply , cooling system, site and even costs of the station. Also seven photographs. You may also be interested in the reaminig part of the book and I therefore list the titles of the chapters: Vorwort 1. Einleitung 2 Der U-Boot Funkdienst, Amgriffsfläche für den Gegener 3. Ultra versus Enigma 4. Die Funkausrüstung der U-Boote 5. Huff-Duff, ein Durchbruch in der schiffsgestützten Peilung auf Kurzwellen 6. Die britische HF-Peil-Anlage FH-4 7. Huff-Duff sichert Geleitzüge (Augenzeugenberichte) 8. Die Funkführung der U-Boote in der Praxis 9. Die verschiedenen Arten von U-Boot-Funksprüchen 10. Schlussbetrachtung Danksagung Erganzende B eitrage I. Die Metox-Affaire II. Das Kurzsignalverfahren Kurier (contribution by Ralph Erskine) III. Funkverfassung ausserhalb der Schwebunkslücke (contribution by Klaus Herold IV. Der Goilath-Sender (contribution by Klaus Herold Erklärung von Abkürzungen Literaturverzeichnis Anhänge Quellennachweis This may look like another commercial on the reflector but let me assure you that I have no commercial interest in the book whatsoever. If you are interested in the book you better contact Arthur Bauer directly: aobauer@compuserve.nl. 73, Dick, PA0SE >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:05 PM >Subject: LF: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains > > >Dear Group, > >as far as I know, living in eastern Bavaria, just a few concrete blocks can >be found on the mountains mentioned, which have carried the antenna wires. > >For more details I guss I had to contact Karl Hille, DL1VU, who lives closer >to that region (he is a true bavarian, older than me, and lives there since >a long time). > >But concerning the Lorenz Company, they got their chance to build a VLF >station at the beginning of the second world war for erecting the so-called >"Goliath" station for communication with submarines, operating at >16 kHz with 1 MW transmitter output and 50% antenna efficiency, employing >the Alexanderson principle. In the "German Museum" in Munich I have read in >a book that submarines before New York could copy this station at a depth of >16-20 meters, and at about 8 meters before Japan, using magnetic aerials. > >This station has never been bombed by the allied forces (obviously they >wanted to observe the traffic). The book said that at the end of the war the >exciter stages were destroyed by the Germans, later the Russians rushed in, >dismantled the station and put the transmitter into acitivity again in the >Soviet Union employing russian tubes. Nothing could be said in this book >about the condition of the ground system. > >HW? > >73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > >"captbrian" schrieb: > > Quick ! , - Is it still there ? ;-)) > > > > Bryan - G3GVB > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dick Rollema > > To: LF-Group > > Date: 24 July 2003 14:54 > > Subject: LF: FS formula > > > > > > To All from PA0SE > > > > William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by > > Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne >am > > Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain >antenna > > at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat). This >concerns > > the following. > > > > The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the >air > > around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG would > > like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could > > supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna > > masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with > > Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to the > > unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began > > planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an > > example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands East > > Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at > > Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two > > mountains, obviating the use of high masts. > > Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two mountain > > tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at 1735m > > and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops > > was 2700m. About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an > > insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the > > Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted, >fed > > against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh land > > around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to be > > higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the > > mountain tops was used. > > Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over > > the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found to > > be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts, seven > > 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts. > > In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by that > > time it had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small > > antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even better > > than on VLF. > > The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting > > formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around a vertical > > antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by M. Bäumler. > > (also as attachment). > > Field Strength.jpg > > E = field strength in V/m > > I = current in the current maximum of the antenna. > > hw = effective height in m. > > lambda = wave length in m. > > d = distance in m. > > j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift. > > > > The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric component > > of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field with > > 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far > > field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field. > > It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at >the > > distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and > > certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength is > > negligible. > > The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas > > for reception. > > > > Now an example: > > A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a > > radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm. > > To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m. Entering > > these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to be > > 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR > > curves for ground wave propagation. > > > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > JN22GD > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23550 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 09:51:06 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 09:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17480 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Jul 2003 09:51:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jul 2003 09:51:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19gLgj-0007lp-NH for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:50:05 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.231] (helo=smtp02.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19gLge-0007lS-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:50:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 22893 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2003 09:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.148.136]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp02.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jul 2003 09:49:55 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030726111729.025f9290@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:50:09 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" Cc: "Arthur Bauer, PA0AOB" In-reply-to: <000b01c35220$7af036e0$1c076c0a@arenanet.fi> References: <19flUn-1QSnVQ0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Matti, OH2ZT wrote:


In a book Klawitter-Herold-Oexner: "Langwellen- und Laengstwellenfunk" by
Siebel Verlag (2000) is a good description of Goliath system pp 47-52 and
also info about other historical VLF-LF stations.

An extensive description of the Goliath station can also be found in a book written by my good friend Arthur O. Bauer, PA0AOB, of Amsterdam:
Funkpeilung als alliierte Waffe gegen deutsche U-Boote 1939 - 1945, with subtitle Wie Schwächen und Versäumnisse bei der Funkführung der U-Boote zum Ausgang der "Schlacht im Atlantik"beigetragen haben.

The part on the Goliath station is a contribution by Klaus Herold and comprises no less than 41 pages. There are block schematic diagrams, drawings of the antenna and earth systems,  technical data of  transmitter, valves, antenna and earth system, power supply , cooling system,  site and even costs of the station. Also seven photographs.

You may  also be interested in the reaminig part  of the book and I therefore list the titles of the chapters:
Vorwort
1. Einleitung
2 Der U-Boot Funkdienst, Amgriffsfläche für den Gegener
3. Ultra versus Enigma
4. Die Funkausrüstung der U-Boote
5. Huff-Duff, ein Durchbruch in der schiffsgestützten Peilung auf Kurzwellen
6. Die britische HF-Peil-Anlage FH-4
7. Huff-Duff sichert Geleitzüge (Augenzeugenberichte)
8. Die Funkführung der U-Boote in der Praxis
9. Die verschiedenen Arten von U-Boot-Funksprüchen
10. Schlussbetrachtung
Danksagung
Erganzende B eitrage
I. Die Metox-Affaire
II. Das Kurzsignalverfahren Kurier (contribution by Ralph Erskine)
III. Funkverfassung ausserhalb der Schwebunkslücke (contribution by Klaus Herold
IV. Der Goilath-Sender (contribution by Klaus Herold

Erklärung von Abkürzungen

Literaturverzeichnis

Anhänge

Quellennachweis


This may look like another commercial on the reflector but let me assure you that I have no commercial interest in the book whatsoever.

If you are interested in the book you better contact Arthur Bauer directly: aobauer@compuserve.nl.

73, Dick, PA0SE


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" <hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:05 PM
Subject: LF: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains


Dear Group,

as far as I know, living in eastern Bavaria, just a few concrete blocks can
be found on the mountains mentioned, which have carried the antenna wires.

For more details I guss I had to contact Karl Hille, DL1VU, who lives closer
to that region (he is a true bavarian, older than me, and lives there since
a long time).

But concerning the Lorenz Company, they got their chance to build a VLF
station at the beginning of the second world war for erecting the so-called
"Goliath" station for communication with submarines, operating at
16 kHz with 1 MW transmitter output and 50% antenna efficiency, employing
the Alexanderson principle. In the "German Museum" in Munich I have read in
a book that submarines before New York could copy this station at a depth of
16-20 meters, and at about 8 meters before Japan, using magnetic aerials.

This station has never been bombed by the allied forces (obviously they
wanted to observe the traffic). The book said that at the end of the war the
exciter stages were destroyed by the Germans, later the Russians rushed in,
dismantled the station and put the transmitter into acitivity again in the
Soviet Union employing russian tubes. Nothing could be said in this book
about the condition of the ground system.

HW?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB


"captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk> schrieb:
> Quick ! , - Is it still there ?   ;-))
>
> Bryan - G3GVB
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Rollema <d.w.rollema@freeler.nl>
> To: LF-Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Date: 24 July 2003 14:54
> Subject: LF: FS formula
>
>
> To All from PA0SE
>
> William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by
> Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne
am
> Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain
antenna
> at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat).  This
concerns
> the following.
>
> The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the
air
> around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG would
> like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could
> supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna
> masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with
> Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to the
> unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began
> planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an
> example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands East
> Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at
> Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two
> mountains, obviating the use of high masts.
> Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two mountain
> tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at 1735m
> and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops
> was 2700m.  About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an
> insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the
> Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted,
fed
> against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh land
> around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to be
> higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the
> mountain tops was used.
> Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over
> the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found to
> be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts, seven
> 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts.
> In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by that
> time it  had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small
> antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even better
> than on VLF.
> The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting
> formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around  a vertical
> antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by  M. Bäumler.
> (also as attachment).
> Field Strength.jpg
> E = field strength in V/m
> I = current in the current maximum of the antenna.
> hw = effective height in m.
> lambda = wave length in m.
> d = distance in m.
> j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift.
>
> The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric component
> of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field with
> 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far
> field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field.
> It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at
the
> distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and
> certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength is
> negligible.
> The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas
> for reception.
>
> Now an example:
> A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a
> radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm.
> To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m. Entering
> these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to be
> 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR
> curves for ground wave propagation.
>
> 73, Dick, PA0SE
> JN22GD
>
>
>
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9735 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 20:55:37 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 20:55:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 8279 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Jul 2003 20:55:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 20:55:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19g9Zp-0003AB-W0 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:54:09 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19g9Zi-0003A2-Kr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:54:02 +0100 Received: from host213-122-106-115.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.106.115] helo=Main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19g9Zg-00038l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:54:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c352ee$dab38cc0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:46:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: WD2XDW Alaskan 135/137Khz beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Laurence , at the risk of getting it all wrong...... I would stick to the 137.77 area. This will ease watching for yourself and Joe simultaneously. My thoughts are that this is far enough away from the centre of Euro QRSS at 137.7 to not give any problem. A CW filter skirt dropped into this region should stop a local signal pumping the soundcard. Euro QRSS rarely moves above 137.73. Anyway the window for some weeks to come will be way after midnight. The best bet for two-ways then is for Euro stations to transmit around 135.92. Assuming that is clear with you....I think from memory it is ok with Joe. Stations like Markus have difficulty receiving down there due to the sidebands of SXV in southern Germany. At nearly a kHz away from DCF39, it will only be a problem to those living close to Burg (100-200kms) I think (Please shout if I am wrong). Personally I prefer DFCW where possible it is easier with weak signals to find. QRSS takes a little more measuring sometimes to mask the dot length an decide where the spaces are. It is also a lot faster, but I am not sure how easy it is to generate on the W&G. The aerial sounds good. With that loading coil it looks like you have about 2.2nF of aerial capacity. This should go a long way to reducing ground loss. The highest values I have heard quoted for an amateur aerial are around 100pF. It sounds as though a little "optional" corona at moose-nose altitude could be useful. Good Luck with the "hot tests" on the MRF PA. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "flo flo" To: Sent: 25 July 2003 20:50 Subject: LF: WD2XDW Alaskan 135/137Khz beacon > > Anchorage 135/137Khz beacon WD2XDW > > > We will be possibly be testing this weekend but it may go out a week > dependant on work and the hoards of moose that have decided to camp by the > tower. And they arent moved easily. > > I need some feedback on a frequency to use - my part 5 licence allows me : > > 135.895-135.9 kHZ FX 5H00A1A 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % > 135.895-135.9 kHZ FX 5H00F1D 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % > 135.92-135.925 kHZ FX 5H00A1A 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % > 135.92-135.925 kHZ FX 5H00F1D 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % > 137.77-137.775 kHZ FX 5H00A1A 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % > 137.77-137.775 kHZ FX 5H00F1D 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % > > The TX will be a G0MRF kit giving around 200W (Ill probably push it up later > once Im happy) into a 7 wire top loaded 33 metre vertical and earth system, > fed with 100m of LDF450 with about 0.6mH load(ish) > > > Id like to stay close in frequency to our east coast VO/VE stations if > possible, but certainly dont want to get in the way of 2 ways. Your > thoughts? Where should I plonk the beacon? > > I will be using a K1EL prom keyer at either dot 6 or dot 60 keying "WD2XDW", > then once at 15 wpm, then cycle. The beacon will be on when Im in residence > (and maybe more) and the freq source will be a W@G SLMS, giving me 1 Hz > steps > > I reserve the right to turn it off and listen when conditions are good! > WD2XDW is not licenced for two way communications. Status of the beacon will > hopefully be on my web site www.kl1x.com > > Cheers - have a good weekend. > laurence kl1x bp41 Anchorage. > http://www.kl1x.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1106 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 19:52:44 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 19:52:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 2728 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Jul 2003 19:52:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 19:52:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19g8bH-0002iD-El for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:51:35 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.88] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19g8bD-0002i4-EI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:51:31 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:51:00 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:50:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:50:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2003 19:51:00.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[12559460:01C352E6] Subject: LF: WD2XDW Alaskan 135/137Khz beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Anchorage 135/137Khz beacon WD2XDW We will be possibly be testing this weekend but it may go out a week dependant on work and the hoards of moose that have decided to camp by the tower. And they arent moved easily. I need some feedback on a frequency to use - my part 5 licence allows me : 135.895-135.9 kHZ FX 5H00A1A 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % 135.895-135.9 kHZ FX 5H00F1D 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % 135.92-135.925 kHZ FX 5H00A1A 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % 135.92-135.925 kHZ FX 5H00F1D 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % 137.77-137.775 kHZ FX 5H00A1A 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % 137.77-137.775 kHZ FX 5H00F1D 2 W (ERP) 0.001 % The TX will be a G0MRF kit giving around 200W (Ill probably push it up later once Im happy) into a 7 wire top loaded 33 metre vertical and earth system, fed with 100m of LDF450 with about 0.6mH load(ish) Id like to stay close in frequency to our east coast VO/VE stations if possible, but certainly dont want to get in the way of 2 ways. Your thoughts? Where should I plonk the beacon? I will be using a K1EL prom keyer at either dot 6 or dot 60 keying "WD2XDW", then once at 15 wpm, then cycle. The beacon will be on when Im in residence (and maybe more) and the freq source will be a W@G SLMS, giving me 1 Hz steps I reserve the right to turn it off and listen when conditions are good! WD2XDW is not licenced for two way communications. Status of the beacon will hopefully be on my web site www.kl1x.com Cheers - have a good weekend. laurence kl1x bp41 Anchorage. http://www.kl1x.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9611 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 13:42:12 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 13:42:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 23448 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 13:42:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 13:42:12 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 28564 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 13:41:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 13:41:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 27875 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Jul 2003 13:41:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2003 13:41:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19g2nj-0008Jg-DT for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:40:03 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.231] (helo=smtp02.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19g2nd-0008JS-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:39:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 21603 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2003 13:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.139.203]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp02.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jul 2003 13:39:47 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030725153807.01feaa10@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:39:22 +0200 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: More on FS formula Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060805010201020006060505" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060805010201020006060505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE,

In my previous e-mail In did not include a sketch of the VLF-antenna system of the Lorenz station in the South of Germany because I feared the message would become too large for the reflector.  I now attach a sketch from the article in FUNK.

As I mentioned the VLF station did not become operational but it was nevertheless put to good use. It became a research station for the ionosphere under the direction of Prof. Dr. Jonathan Zenneck.

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for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:46:46 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19forC-0001vT-GP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:46:42 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-97.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.97] helo=bryan2) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19forA-000JtH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:46:41 +0100 Message-ID: <012501c35235$95148480$fae486d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:44:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Imagine "laengstwellenfunk" in QRSS! Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Matti Niemela To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 24 July 2003 21:17 Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains >Hello LF-Group, > >In a book Klawitter-Herold-Oexner: "Langwellen- und Laengstwellenfunk" by >Siebel Verlag (2000) is a good description of Goliath system pp 47-52 and >also info about other historical VLF-LF stations. > >73 Matti/OH2ZT > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:05 PM >Subject: LF: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains > > >Dear Group, > >as far as I know, living in eastern Bavaria, just a few concrete blocks can >be found on the mountains mentioned, which have carried the antenna wires. > >For more details I guss I had to contact Karl Hille, DL1VU, who lives closer >to that region (he is a true bavarian, older than me, and lives there since >a long time). > >But concerning the Lorenz Company, they got their chance to build a VLF >station at the beginning of the second world war for erecting the so-called >"Goliath" station for communication with submarines, operating at >16 kHz with 1 MW transmitter output and 50% antenna efficiency, employing >the Alexanderson principle. In the "German Museum" in Munich I have read in >a book that submarines before New York could copy this station at a depth of >16-20 meters, and at about 8 meters before Japan, using magnetic aerials. > >This station has never been bombed by the allied forces (obviously they >wanted to observe the traffic). The book said that at the end of the war the >exciter stages were destroyed by the Germans, later the Russians rushed in, >dismantled the station and put the transmitter into acitivity again in the >Soviet Union employing russian tubes. Nothing could be said in this book >about the condition of the ground system. > >HW? > >73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB > > >"captbrian" schrieb: >> Quick ! , - Is it still there ? ;-)) >> >> Bryan - G3GVB >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dick Rollema >> To: LF-Group >> Date: 24 July 2003 14:54 >> Subject: LF: FS formula >> >> >> To All from PA0SE >> >> William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by >> Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne >am >> Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain >antenna >> at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat). This >concerns >> the following. >> >> The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the >air >> around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG would >> like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could >> supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna >> masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with >> Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to the >> unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began >> planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an >> example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands East >> Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at >> Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two >> mountains, obviating the use of high masts. >> Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two mountain >> tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at 1735m >> and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops >> was 2700m. About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an >> insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the >> Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted, >fed >> against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh land >> around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to be >> higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the >> mountain tops was used. >> Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over >> the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found to >> be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts, seven >> 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts. >> In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by that >> time it had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small >> antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even better >> than on VLF. >> The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting >> formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around a vertical >> antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by M. Bäumler. >> (also as attachment). >> Field Strength.jpg >> E = field strength in V/m >> I = current in the current maximum of the antenna. >> hw = effective height in m. >> lambda = wave length in m. >> d = distance in m. >> j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift. >> >> The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric component >> of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field with >> 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far >> field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field. >> It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at >the >> distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and >> certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength is >> negligible. >> The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas >> for reception. >> >> Now an example: >> A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a >> radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm. >> To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m. Entering >> these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to be >> 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR >> curves for ground wave propagation. >> >> 73, Dick, PA0SE >> JN22GD >> >> >> > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9926 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 20:13:06 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 20:13:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2934 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jul 2003 20:13:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 20:13:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19fmRl-0000zv-Md for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:12:17 +0100 Received: from [193.229.0.41] (helo=fep01-app.kolumbus.fi) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19fmRc-0000zm-FY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:12:08 +0100 Received: from merocomp ([62.248.244.61]) by fep01-app.kolumbus.fi with SMTP id <20030724201207.YBJS1253.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@merocomp> for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:12:07 +0300 Message-ID: <000b01c35220$7af036e0$1c076c0a@arenanet.fi> From: "Matti Niemela" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <19flUn-1QSnVQ0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:16:34 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello LF-Group, In a book Klawitter-Herold-Oexner: "Langwellen- und Laengstwellenfunk" by Siebel Verlag (2000) is a good description of Goliath system pp 47-52 and also info about other historical VLF-LF stations. 73 Matti/OH2ZT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:05 PM Subject: LF: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains Dear Group, as far as I know, living in eastern Bavaria, just a few concrete blocks can be found on the mountains mentioned, which have carried the antenna wires. For more details I guss I had to contact Karl Hille, DL1VU, who lives closer to that region (he is a true bavarian, older than me, and lives there since a long time). But concerning the Lorenz Company, they got their chance to build a VLF station at the beginning of the second world war for erecting the so-called "Goliath" station for communication with submarines, operating at 16 kHz with 1 MW transmitter output and 50% antenna efficiency, employing the Alexanderson principle. In the "German Museum" in Munich I have read in a book that submarines before New York could copy this station at a depth of 16-20 meters, and at about 8 meters before Japan, using magnetic aerials. This station has never been bombed by the allied forces (obviously they wanted to observe the traffic). The book said that at the end of the war the exciter stages were destroyed by the Germans, later the Russians rushed in, dismantled the station and put the transmitter into acitivity again in the Soviet Union employing russian tubes. Nothing could be said in this book about the condition of the ground system. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "captbrian" schrieb: > Quick ! , - Is it still there ? ;-)) > > Bryan - G3GVB > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Rollema > To: LF-Group > Date: 24 July 2003 14:54 > Subject: LF: FS formula > > > To All from PA0SE > > William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by > Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne am > Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain antenna > at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat). This concerns > the following. > > The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the air > around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG would > like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could > supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna > masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with > Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to the > unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began > planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an > example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands East > Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at > Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two > mountains, obviating the use of high masts. > Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two mountain > tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at 1735m > and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops > was 2700m. About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an > insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the > Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted, fed > against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh land > around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to be > higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the > mountain tops was used. > Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over > the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found to > be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts, seven > 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts. > In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by that > time it had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small > antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even better > than on VLF. > The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting > formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around a vertical > antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by M. Bäumler. > (also as attachment). > Field Strength.jpg > E = field strength in V/m > I = current in the current maximum of the antenna. > hw = effective height in m. > lambda = wave length in m. > d = distance in m. > j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift. > > The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric component > of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field with > 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far > field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field. > It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at the > distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and > certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength is > negligible. > The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas > for reception. > > Now an example: > A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a > radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm. > To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m. Entering > these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to be > 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR > curves for ground wave propagation. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > JN22GD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25123 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 19:12:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 19:12:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 17834 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jul 2003 19:12:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 19:12:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19flV4-0000Zw-Fm for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:11:38 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.17] (helo=mailout02.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19flV0-0000Zn-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:11:34 +0100 Received: from fwd06.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19flUz-0003G1-00; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:11:33 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (rSCaHMZlgeV1UcMKdELzhLuodMbNtkbS9+KoX7AtQP97NSHg23qKrM@[217.2.40.144]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19flUn-1QSnVQ0; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:11:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.111 Date: 24 Jul 2003 19:05 GMT Message-ID: <19flUn-1QSnVQ0@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: rSCaHMZlgeV1UcMKdELzhLuodMbNtkbS9+KoX7AtQP97NSHg23qKrM Subject: LF: Re: LF station in Bavarian Mountains Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Group, as far as I know, living in eastern Bavaria, just a few concrete blocks can be found on the mountains mentioned, which have carried the antenna wires. For more details I guss I had to contact Karl Hille, DL1VU, who lives closer to that region (he is a true bavarian, older than me, and lives there since a long time). But concerning the Lorenz Company, they got their chance to build a VLF station at the beginning of the second world war for erecting the so-called "Goliath" station for communication with submarines, operating at 16 kHz with 1 MW transmitter output and 50% antenna efficiency, employing the Alexanderson principle. In the "German Museum" in Munich I have read in a book that submarines before New York could copy this station at a depth of 16-20 meters, and at about 8 meters before Japan, using magnetic aerials. This station has never been bombed by the allied forces (obviously they wanted to observe the traffic). The book said that at the end of the war the exciter stages were destroyed by the Germans, later the Russians rushed in, dismantled the station and put the transmitter into acitivity again in the Soviet Union employing russian tubes. Nothing could be said in this book about the condition of the ground system. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "captbrian" schrieb: > Quick ! , - Is it still there ? ;-)) > > Bryan - G3GVB > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Rollema > To: LF-Group > Date: 24 July 2003 14:54 > Subject: LF: FS formula > > > To All from PA0SE > > William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by > Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne am > Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain antenna > at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat). This concerns > the following. > > The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the air > around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG would > like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could > supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna > masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with > Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to the > unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began > planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an > example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands East > Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at > Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two > mountains, obviating the use of high masts. > Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two mountain > tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at 1735m > and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops > was 2700m. About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an > insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the > Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted, fed > against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh land > around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to be > higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the > mountain tops was used. > Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over > the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found to > be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts, seven > 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts. > In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by that > time it had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small > antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even better > than on VLF. > The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting > formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around a vertical > antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by M. Bäumler. > (also as attachment). > Field Strength.jpg > E = field strength in V/m > I = current in the current maximum of the antenna. > hw = effective height in m. > lambda = wave length in m. > d = distance in m. > j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift. > > The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric component > of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field with > 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far > field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field. > It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at the > distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and > certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength is > negligible. > The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas > for reception. > > Now an example: > A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a > radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm. > To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m. Entering > these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to be > 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR > curves for ground wave propagation. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > JN22GD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24267 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 14:46:02 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 14:46:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 21207 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jul 2003 14:46:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 14:46:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19fhLE-0006zf-Ma for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:45:12 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19fhLA-0006yY-Ja for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:45:08 +0100 Received: from tnt-21-250.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.250] helo=bryan2) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19fhL8-0006Kn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:45:06 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01c351f2$4ec9f660$fae486d4@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:40:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: FS formula Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Quick ! , - Is it still there ? ;-)) Bryan - G3GVB -----Original Message----- From: Dick Rollema To: LF-Group Date: 24 July 2003 14:54 Subject: LF: FS formula To All from PA0SE William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne am Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain antenna at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat). This concerns the following. The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the air around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG would like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to the unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands East Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two mountains, obviating the use of high masts. Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two mountain tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at 1735m and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops was 2700m. About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted, fed against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh land around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to be higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the mountain tops was used. Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found to be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts, seven 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts. In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by that time it had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even better than on VLF. The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around a vertical antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by M. Bäumler. (also as attachment). Field Strength.jpg E = field strength in V/m I = current in the current maximum of the antenna. hw = effective height in m. lambda = wave length in m. d = distance in m. j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift. The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric component of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field with 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field. It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at the distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength is negligible. The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas for reception. Now an example: A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm. To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m. Entering these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to be 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR curves for ground wave propagation. 73, Dick, PA0SE JN22GD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5069 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 13:49:16 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 13:49:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2350 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jul 2003 13:49:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 13:49:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19fgS9-0006O0-AP for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:48:17 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.231] (helo=smtp02.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19fgS3-0006Nr-7y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:48:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 9730 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 13:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.135.215]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp02.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jul 2003 13:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030724131055.009ebec0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:52:47 +0200 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: FS formula Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080106020606090303060905" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080106020606090303060905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

William Oorschot, PA0WFO, has sent me a copy of a three part article by Karl H. Hille, DL1VU, in the German 2002 magazine FUNK: "Die Bergantenne am Herzogstand - Vor 75 Jahren eine technische Grosstat" (The mountain antenna at the Herzogstand - For 75 years a technical amazing feat).  This concerns the following.

The large VLF stations at Nauen and Eilvese in Germany that were on the air around 1920 were built by Telefunken. The German firm Carl Lorenz AG would like to supply VLF stations as well but were unable to do so. They could supply arc-transmitters of sufficient power but not the enormous antenna masts they had to offer with the transmitters in order to compete with Telefunken. Steel masts were unacceptably expensive around 1920 due to the unbelievable strong inflation that started at the same time Lorenz began planning the station. So they looked for an alternative. There was an example. For the VLF link between the Netherlands and the Netherlands East Indies (now Indonesia) a large arc-transmitter hand been constructed at Malabar on the island Java. The antenna hung over a valley between two mountains, obviating the use of high masts.
Lorenz decided to do the same. They strung an antenna between two mountain tops in the South of Germany, the mountains were the Herzogstand at 1735m and the Stein at 940m. The horizontal distance between the mountain tops was 2700m.  About one third from the low end of the sloping wire an insulator was inserted and a vertical wire connected the part to the Herzogstand to the transmitter in the valley. So an L-antenna resulted, fed against an extensive earth system, using multiple electrodes in marsh land around the station.. The efficiency of this configuration was found to be higher than for a T-antenna, in which the whole sloping wire between the mountain tops was used.
Using a 500W valve transmitter strength measurements were performed over the whole of Germany and the efficiency of the antenna system was found to be comparable to the one of Nauen, that consisted of two 250m masts, seven 210m masts, two 180m masts and four200m masts.
In 1926 the station was ready but it did not become operational as by that time it  had been found that on short waves a few kilowatt and a small antenna could provide long distance communication equal to or even better than on VLF.
The reason I mention all this that the article contains an interesting formula for field strength at the surface of the earth around  a vertical antenna. The formula comes from a 1926 publication by  M. Bäumler.
(also as attachment).
Field Strength.jpg
E = field strength in V/m
I = current in the current maximum of the antenna.
hw = effective height in m.
lambda = wave length in m.
d = distance in m.
j = operator for 90 degrees phase shift.

The first part gives the far field; the second part the electric component of the near field. The far field diminishes with 1/d, the near field with 1/d squared. At 2 wavelength distance the near field is 8% of the far field, at 4 wavelength 4% and at 16 wavelength 1% of the far field.
It is clear that the formula is only correct over perfect earth. But at the distances where field strength measurements are usually performed, and certainly at VLF, the influence of the real earth on the field strength is negligible.
The term effective height is now mostly used in connection with antennas for reception.

Now an example:
A vertical antenna of 20m at 136kHz has an effective height of 10m and a radiation resistance of 0.028 ohm.
To radiate 1kW the current must be 189A. The wavelength is 2205m. Entering these figures into the formula we find the far field at 1km distance to be 0.323V/m, which compares well with the 300mV/m that is given by the CCIR curves for ground wave propagation.

73, Dick, PA0SE
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13:45:07 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Approval granted for Alaska 135/7Khz "beacon" WD2XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Laurence, Good to hear about the experimental licence - hope to be looking for WD2XDW soon! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25926 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 22:04:10 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 22:04:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15970 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 22:03:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 22:03:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19fRhF-0008Ey-6u for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:02:53 +0100 Received: from [138.32.33.140] (helo=mailman2.ppco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19fRhB-0008Ep-1S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 23:02:49 +0100 Received: from bvlw2k131.ppco.com (trend1.ppco.com [138.32.31.131]) by mailman2.ppco.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h6NM2l5B003754 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:02:48 -0500 Received: from 138.32.31.56 by bvlw2k131.ppco.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:02:46 -0500 Received: from bvlnotes07.ppco.com (bvlnotes07.ppco.com [138.32.54.38]) by mail1.ppco.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6NM2fV21695 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:02:46 -0500 (CDT) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: "Laurence J Howell" Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:02:39 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BVLNOTES07/CIT/Phillips Petroleum/us(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 07/23/2003 05:02:46 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Approval granted for Alaska 135/7Khz "beacon" WD2XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false An application for a Experimental licence for 135/137 KHZ beacon transmitter here in Anchorage has been approved by the FCC today. Period of grant July 23rd 2003 - 0300 AM EST August 01 2005 Callsign WD2XDW Station Class FX Freqs 135.895-135.9 KHz Emission 5H00A1A and F1D Authorized power 2W (ERP) - Freq tol 0.001%..... (within a Hz or so) Other Freqs 135.920-135.925 and 137.770 - 137.775 KHz ie 5 Hz slots Non interference basis only....and Im working on the TX. which will be a G0MRF 2 FET'r appx 200-300W output A copy of the grant letter will be on my web site later on this evening AK time. As you may be aware Im sadly moving from Alaska soon, but will reapply if Im kept in the US. If I am kept, the station will reappear near Tulsa OK or Houston TX. Laurence KL1X, BP41 http://www.kl1x.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9490 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 17:03:23 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 17:03:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28925 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 17:03:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 17:03:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19f0Vw-0005iF-Dw for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:01:24 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.87] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19f0Vs-0005hw-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:01:20 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:00:49 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:00:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:00:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2003 17:00:49.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD114220:01C35072] Subject: Re: LF: Re: condx - still 17 hours of daylight. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Yep - my original email should have been addressed to Alan NYKonly, but as ever, I checked the addressee line just after I pressed the send key - apologies Laurence KL1X BP41 >From: "captbrian" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: Re: LF: Re: condx - still 17 hours of daylight. Date: Tue, 22 Jul >2003 11:08:31 +0100 > >Thanks - I have heard the big carrier at 138 odd but didnt know the station >name. > >Alaska ? well if he is putting a crocodile clip onto the above ground >insulated overland pipe-line for a beverage antenna then no wonder ;-). >I wish Brighton had one. > >Bryan G3GVB > -----Original Message----- > From: James Moritz > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: 22 July 2003 10:42 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: condx - still 17 hours of daylight. > > > At 09:27 22/07/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >Now if only a newby to below 1.8 megs.on the list, like me, knew >where > >you were and who you were, what flo flo stood for ,what his call was >and > >on what continent Kodiak Is > > Dear Brian, > > Laurence is KL1X in Alaska - currently I think he has the distance >record > for reception of UK 136kHz stations. > > DCF39 is a tele-switching station in Germany which transmits a carrier >on > 138.83kHz, interspersed with FSK data bursts. It has about 40kW ERP, >so is > a convenient beacon for DX stations, although not so much if you are a >DL > station! There is extensive info on DK8KW's web pages at > http://www.qru.de/dcf39-beacon.html > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12724 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 10:08:29 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 10:08:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26917 invoked by uid 10001); 22 Jul 2003 10:08:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 10:08:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19eu3a-0002b1-AB for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:07:42 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19eu3W-0002ar-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:07:38 +0100 Received: from tnt-18-134.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.134] helo=bryan2) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19eu3T-0005Uz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: <003901c35039$36bcb2c0$33c828c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 11:08:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: condx - still 17 hours of daylight. 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Thanks - I have heard the big carrier at 138 odd but didnt know the station name.
 
Alaska ? well if he is putting a crocodile clip  onto the above ground insulated  overland pipe-line for a beverage  antenna  then no wonder ;-). I wish Brighton had one.
 
Bryan G3GVB
-----Original Message-----
From: James Moritz <j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 22 July 2003 10:42
Subject: Re: LF: Re: condx - still 17 hours of daylight.

At 09:27 22/07/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Now if only a newby to below 1.8 megs.on the list, like me,  knew where
>you were and who you were, what flo flo stood for ,what his call was and
>on what continent Kodiak Is

Dear Brian,

Laurence is KL1X in Alaska - currently I think he has the distance record
for reception of UK 136kHz stations.

DCF39 is a tele-switching station in Germany which transmits a carrier on
138.83kHz, interspersed with FSK data bursts. It has about 40kW ERP, so is
a convenient beacon for DX stations, although not so much if you are a DL
station! There is extensive info on DK8KW's web pages at
http://www.qru.de/dcf39-beacon.html

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15665 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 09:40:50 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 09:40:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 27699 invoked by uid 10001); 22 Jul 2003 09:40:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 09:40:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19etcQ-0002Kp-6M for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:39:38 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19etcM-0002Kd-8Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:39:34 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19etcI-0000L8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:39:30 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19etcH-0006G4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:39:29 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030722102944.02533418@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:39:25 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000c01c3502b$1fd870c0$33c828c3@bryan2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: condx - still 17 hours of daylight. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 09:27 22/07/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Now if only a newby to below 1.8 megs.on the list, like me, knew where >you were and who you were, what flo flo stood for ,what his call was and >on what continent Kodiak Is Dear Brian, Laurence is KL1X in Alaska - currently I think he has the distance record for reception of UK 136kHz stations. DCF39 is a tele-switching station in Germany which transmits a carrier on 138.83kHz, interspersed with FSK data bursts. It has about 40kW ERP, so is a convenient beacon for DX stations, although not so much if you are a DL station! There is extensive info on DK8KW's web pages at http://www.qru.de/dcf39-beacon.html Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8543 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 08:29:22 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 08:29:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 16335 invoked by uid 10001); 22 Jul 2003 08:29:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 08:29:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19esTy-0001lV-3g for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:26:50 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19esTu-0001lL-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:26:46 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-51.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.51] helo=bryan2) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19esTs-0004hs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:26:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c3502b$1fd870c0$33c828c3@bryan2> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 09:27:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: condx - still 17 hours of daylight. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0tests=ASCII_FORM_ENTRY,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Now if only a newby to below 1.8 megs.on the list, like me,  knew where you were and who you were, what flo flo stood for ,what his call was and on what continent Kodiak Is. was,   that would be  informative   ?? I recognise I must do some things for myself so I'll research "DFC39" separately
<grin>
 
G3GVB
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: flo flo <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 22 July 2003 04:48
Subject: LF: condx - still 17 hours of daylight.

Just reviewed DCF39 from the 8th July till present - no sign of any signals
at all.... not even during the day. Nothing from MP or Vo1na either - but Im
not suprised. Strong QRN over the past week or so from t'storms in Central
Alaska with temps nearing 90F. No so here only 80F, and even cooler on the
Kodiak Island where Ive spent the last couple of weekends.

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3099 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 03:43:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 03:43:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 7672 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2003 03:43:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2003 03:43:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19eo1n-0008Vh-Gg for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:41:27 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.77] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19eo1j-0008VT-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 04:41:23 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:40:52 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 03:40:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:40:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2003 03:40:52.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CA352E0:01C35003] Subject: LF: condx - still 17 hours of daylight. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Just reviewed DCF39 from the 8th July till present - no sign of any signals at all.... not even during the day. Nothing from MP or Vo1na either - but Im not suprised. Strong QRN over the past week or so from t'storms in Central Alaska with temps nearing 90F. No so here only 80F, and even cooler on the Kodiak Island where Ive spent the last couple of weekends. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29647 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 18:45:51 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 18:45:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 11868 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 18:45:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 18:45:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19eJ9p-0002is-79 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:43:41 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.48] (helo=mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19eJ9l-0002ij-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:43:37 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.147]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030720184336.WUYU291.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:43:36 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c34ee6$5fbef2e0$93cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:42:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF acty Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The usual acty this weekend. Worked SM6PXJ very strong and DK7SU and heard some others. Band condx good during the morning but the QRN got very bad during the afternoon. Worked SM1LCA / Gotland Island a couple of weeks ago, but not heard him recently.
  
73 de Mal/G3KEV
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31783 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 18:45:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 18:45:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11989 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 18:45:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 18:45:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19eJ9k-0002if-2B for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:43:36 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.48] (helo=mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19eJ9b-0002iW-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:43:27 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.147]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030720184326.WUVY291.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:43:26 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c34ee6$59d0b300$93cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004301c34de2$3de6f640$4bce28c3@captbrian> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:34:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Best 136 Rx? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: LF: Best 136 Rx? > Anyone with views on the merits of the IC706 II G vis-a-vis the old TS 850 > as a 136 Rx. ? > > Going to a rally tomorrow - can look out for LF stuff The IC-706 is fine with the CW filter fitted and a good 20 db gain P/amp and a good big antenna. The 850 is also fine without a P/amp but needs the CW filters for the required selectivity plus an external DSP unit for added selectivity. Most modern Receivers are suitable with a few add on extras. I have tried various and all work well but some have advantages over others. I find the antenna makes a big difference as regards sensitivity. Install the bigest antenna possible. With my antenna system I have to use attenuation there is TOO much gain hi. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > bryan > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18453 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2003 09:34:37 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 09:34:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4458 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jul 2003 09:34:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2003 09:34:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19eAYw-0007BK-Jz for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:33:02 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19eAYo-0007B9-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:32:54 +0100 Received: from mike1 ([80.4.107.45]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030720093254.GBGX28183.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@mike1> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:32:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c34ea2$5e8be200$2602a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004301c34de2$3de6f640$4bce28c3@captbrian> <3F193941.7000507@usa.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:36:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Best 136 Rx? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Compared to the TS850, the IC706 is stone deaf at 136 kHz and below. > Just MHO (but not only mine). > 73 Alberto I2PHD Whilst, I don't disagree with this. The much cheaper IC-706 can be made to work well on 136kHz. It certainly needs an LF pre-amp (build, or buy from G0MRF) for optimum performance. However, it has 1Hz tuning steps and my Mk1 is VERY stable indeed after a few seconds warm up. This makes it useful for, say 30s or 60s dot QRSS where long term stability of better than +/- 0.05Hz is needed. No problems with birdies or intermod. One disadvantage is that you can't turn off the AGC. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13775 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 16:00:36 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 16:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 22904 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Jul 2003 16:00:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 16:00:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19du82-0007Bd-0X for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:00:10 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19du7y-0007BU-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:00:06 +0100 Received: from host217-36-12-56.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.12.56] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19du7x-0007cT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:00:05 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c34e0f$0c4f37a0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004301c34de2$3de6f640$4bce28c3@captbrian> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:10:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Best 136 Rx? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false TS850 TS850 TS850 Oh, and the TS850 is pretty good too. Check for dodgy DDS action by tuning to a heterodyne and rotating both bandwidth controls (bottom right). There should be no change in pitch or quality of the note. To really make it sing you need a CW filter in both IFs, but if you only have one, make it at 455kHz not 8.8MHz. The 455 filters are much better. Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: LF: Best 136 Rx? > Anyone with views on the merits of the IC706 II G vis-a-vis the old TS 850 > as a 136 Rx. ? > > Going to a rally tomorrow - can look out for LF stuff > > bryan > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17309 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 15:57:54 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 15:57:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 17175 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Jul 2003 15:57:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 15:57:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19du4u-00077l-38 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:56:56 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19du4q-00077Y-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:56:52 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-126.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.126] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19du4o-0003Kt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:56:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c34e0e$83ea87c0$7ece28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:53:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Best 136 Rx? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=NO_DISAPPOINTMENT,ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false OK OK OK OK I looked it up. sorry for being lazy, it's more modern than I thought and solid state so more expensive I suspect. Well I like making pre-amps ;-)) and I can use a 706 free, and I have the B41 and I like glowing filaments.... Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 19 July 2003 13:35 Subject: Re: LF: Best 136 Rx? >captbrian wrote: > >>Anyone with views on the merits of the IC706 II G vis-a-vis the old TS 850 >>as a 136 Rx. ? >> >>Going to a rally tomorrow - can look out for LF stuff >> >> >> >Bring home a TS850. You won't be disappointed. And if you find the >optional TCXO, >buy it as well. > >Compared to the TS850, the IC706 is stone deaf at 136 kHz and below. >Just MHO (but not only mine). > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12309 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 12:28:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 12:28:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 19338 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Jul 2003 12:28:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 12:28:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19dqon-0005cf-AV for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:28:05 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsrelay04.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19dqoZ-0005cW-NS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 13:27:51 +0100 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 12:27:16 -0000 Received: from usa.net [81.211.143.234] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 365Hgsmbo0100M38; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:27:15 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 81.211.143.234 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F193941.7000507@usa.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:27:45 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004301c34de2$3de6f640$4bce28c3@captbrian> Subject: Re: LF: Best 136 Rx? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_DISAPPOINTMENT,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false captbrian wrote: >Anyone with views on the merits of the IC706 II G vis-a-vis the old TS 850 >as a 136 Rx. ? > >Going to a rally tomorrow - can look out for LF stuff > > > Bring home a TS850. You won't be disappointed. And if you find the optional TCXO, buy it as well. Compared to the TS850, the IC706 is stone deaf at 136 kHz and below. Just MHO (but not only mine). 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16353 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2003 10:42:11 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 10:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16663 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Jul 2003 10:42:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2003 10:42:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19dp8I-0004kx-RT for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:40:06 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19dp8E-0004ko-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:40:02 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-75.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.75] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19dp86-000LCs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:39:54 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c34de2$3de6f640$4bce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:39:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Best 136 Rx? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Anyone with views on the merits of the IC706 II G vis-a-vis the old TS 850 as a 136 Rx. ? Going to a rally tomorrow - can look out for LF stuff bryan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17058 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 14:20:00 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 14:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 19045 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 14:19:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 14:19:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19dW4z-0004pQ-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:19:25 +0100 Received: from [80.237.11.62] (helo=mx.senergy.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19dW4s-0004pH-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:19:19 +0100 Received: from senergy.ru (ns.senergy.ru [213.59.156.2] (may be forged)) by mx.senergy.ru (8.12.3/8.12.3/2002121000/inode) with ESMTP id h6IEJI3d045683 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:19:18 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from grigorov@bel.ru) Received: from igor (03.nas3.dip.senergy.ru [80.82.160.3]) by senergy.ru (8.12.1/8.12.1/2002040900) with SMTP id h6IEIAQR025776 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:18:11 +0400 Message-ID: <000001c34d37$d65a7ba0$03a05250@igor> From: "Igor Grigorov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5126@9A0TCP> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 18:17:21 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: antenna-island Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LFs, May be it will be interesting for all : Antenna - Island in LF reception www.antentop.com 73! Igor, RK3ZK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19444 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 14:00:36 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 14:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 25880 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Jul 2003 14:00:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 14:00:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19dVl3-0004bh-V8 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:58:49 +0100 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19dVkv-0004bY-PD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:58:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 13981 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2003 13:58:34 +0400 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 13:58:34 +0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:58:12 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <4614898785.20030718135812@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.0.20030716140912.00ada3a0@pop2.sympatico.ca> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030716140912.00ada3a0@pop2.sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Our Logs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false LF enthusiasts! I finish to make our html-Logs (RU6LA/RU6LWZ/UA9OC) on http://136.73.ru/ed/index.htm and click "LOG" The data are taken by me from my paper log, private e-mail's reports and from rsgb_lf_group. Can in mine a html-logs there are also mistakes. I have no messages about reception of our signals from CT, EI, ON, OE, LX, T9, 9A and ? - Who from these countries can received our signals on 136? TNX for any info ! 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23974 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 10:38:24 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 10:38:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6418 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 10:38:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 10:38:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19d686-0001Tj-M9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:36:54 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19d681-0001Ta-LL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:36:49 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19d680-00033c-0V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:36:48 +0100 Message-ID: <14+H$DANFlF$MwIB@telemetry.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:33:33 +0100 To: "RSGB LF Group" From: "Tom Boucher" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Subject: LF: IC706 connectors X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thanks Larry, Alan & Mike. The obvious is not always obvious! I had assumed Icom would charge an arm and a leg for mating power connectors and as I need several, was trying to get them on the cheap. In fact they are gbp1.14 each inc. VAT with a gbp10 minimum order charge from Icom UK. 73, Tom G3OLB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1049 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2003 07:23:33 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 07:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 19322 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Jul 2003 07:23:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 07:23:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19d366-0008P6-Di for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:22:38 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19d362-0008Ox-JO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:22:34 +0100 Received: from mike1 ([80.4.107.45]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030717072233.CEFE28183.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@mike1> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c34c34$aa1ddcc0$2602a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:19:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Off Topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sounds obvious, but have you tried Icom (UK)? Last time I was there they had just about every part you could imagine - some time ago, though. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== > Pardon the off-topic subject - can anyone identify a source of spare > mating 6 pin power connectors for the IC706 MkIIG? It's similar to, but > different from, Farnell's 285-183. > > 73, Tom G3OLB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15552 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 18:19:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 18:19:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4657 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 18:19:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 18:19:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cqqS-00044R-5k for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:17:40 +0100 Received: from [209.226.175.52] (helo=tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cqqE-00044I-Ib for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:17:26 +0100 Received: from lsk.sympatico.ca ([216.208.193.103]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.03 201-253-122-130-103-20030522) with ESMTP id <20030716181724.MPS11285.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@lsk.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:17:24 -0400 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030716140912.00ada3a0@pop2.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1aemm59@pop2.sympatico.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:11:59 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Larry Kayser" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: IC 706 Power Plug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 10:06 2003-07-16, Tom Boucher wrote: >Pardon the off-topic subject - can anyone identify a source of spare >mating 6 pin power connectors for the IC706 MkIIG? It's similar to, but >different from, Farnell's 285-183. I am also looking for one more for here. This is not a standard MOLEX plug. IT is the same power plug as used on other ICOM and Kenwood radios. They usually come with a wire cable and cost a lot of money. Theres Plugs are often available at Dayton. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25046 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 16:19:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 16:19:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14344 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Jul 2003 16:19:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 16:19:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cozL-0003LJ-2g for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:18:43 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cozG-0003LA-UI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:18:39 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19coz2-0004Zh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:18:24 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19coz1-0005pu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:18:23 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030716171228.025d1210@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:18:26 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: VO1NA Last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Joe, LF Group, Intense QRN here last night, obliterating all but a few traces of VO1NA until about 0330 utc, when I received one clear callsign before signals faded out at dawn. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21791 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 15:10:13 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 15:10:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18523 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Jul 2003 15:10:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 15:10:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cnt6-0002lq-D7 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:08:12 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cnt1-0002lh-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:08:07 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19cnt0-000PRE-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:08:07 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:06:33 +0100 To: "RSGB LF Group" From: "Tom Boucher" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Subject: LF: Off Topic X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Pardon the off-topic subject - can anyone identify a source of spare mating 6 pin power connectors for the IC706 MkIIG? It's similar to, but different from, Farnell's 285-183. 73, Tom G3OLB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23499 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2003 06:03:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 06:03:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 6671 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Jul 2003 06:03:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2003 06:03:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cfMS-0007nV-7Y for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:01:56 +0100 Received: from [207.136.80.10] (helo=gozer.look.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cfMO-0007nM-9J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:01:52 +0100 Received: from bc-van-mut-a53-10-35.look.ca ([216.66.146.35]) by gozer.look.ca with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19cfMK-0000M5-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:01:49 +0000 Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030715215058.009f1ec0@mail.direct.ca> X-Sender: eldridge@mail.direct.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:58:35 -0700 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bob Eldridge" In-reply-to: <001201c34af2$cb1b2240$0501a8c0@adsl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE_XYL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Then there was the cockney ham who when criticized for calling his XYL "T & S", pointed out that his code spacing was bad and her name was actually Tess Bob VE7BS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1001 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 23:35:10 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 23:35:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2879 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Jul 2003 23:35:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 23:35:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cZJD-00061O-Ak for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:34:11 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.163] (helo=imo-m08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cZJ9-00061C-Ab for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:34:07 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.11c.246dbc61 (3842) for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:33:34 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.246dbc61.2c45e94d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:33:33 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10617 Subject: LF: VO1NA and CFH Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all,

I have uploaded a diagram showing CFH fieldstrength recordings and reception of VO1NA's signals between July 9th and 14th. It is at

http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/VO1NACFH.htm 

73 de Markus,
DF6NM  in Nuernberg, JN59NK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16267 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 19:15:24 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 19:15:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 507 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Jul 2003 19:15:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 19:15:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cVFh-0004jY-8i for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:14:17 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cVFV-0004jL-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:14:05 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.76]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030715191404.SAHS24453.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:14:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c34afc$cf230a60$4ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3F13CAA0.11570.B24004@localhost> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:12:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: PROP PREDICTIONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sergeant" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: PROP PREDICTIONS > On 14 Jul 2003 at 20:43, Alan Melia wrote: > > > Hi all, I totally agree with Mal's comments. I have also chatted at > > length with the guys who produce the HF predictions and they worry a > > lot about their work actually discouraging people from putting signals > > out. The HF Propagaion reports are quite difficult because it really > > depends what kind of a station you have. I remember when I ran 400W > > PEP and a 3el beam at 45 feet I worked bands after they had "closed" > > and often was "the only European" when I called in. (the problem is > > that it gets boring after a while). I did find the predictions a > > useful guide to what "should" be happening, but there is no subsistute > > for listening for a beacon and putting out a call or two > > The IARU contest this weekend was a good example of this. Those with > big stations could still work a fair amount of dx, but even those > runing 100W were moaning of poor conditions on HF, and at this > station with 5W and a long wire it was decidedly hard work, with very > little dx even heard. And that was during a major international > contest where all the bands should be jam packed with USA stations, > the few Ws I heard were pretty weak. > > I rarely consult the propagation predictions. When the bands are wide > open they are unduly pessimistic, and when poor they only serve to > tell me what I would be hearing if I had a decent set up. The only > way is to listen on the bands often when you get a very good feel of > what you should be hearing on a particular band at a particular time > of day. > > Of course if there is no activity then you will hear nothing. This is > perhaps even truer at LF where activity is non existant in many > cases. But perhaps as Mal comments that elusive 'real CW' > transatlantic QSO cannot be that far away. Hi Dave It might take longer than you think, if the BEACON mode persists, my natural instinct is to go into QSO mode but others must think different. My recent observations indicate that a QSO could easily have taken place at a speed of possible QRS 3 transatlantic or even CW. What is the point putting out a BEACON signal every night knowing that it is being copied perfectly well in EU by a number of radio amateurs who are equipped to work two way on the band. Seems odd!!!!!!! de G3KEV > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > dsergeant@btinternet.com > http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18540 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 17:01:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16006 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Jul 2003 17:01:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 17:01:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cT92-00042q-9U for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:59:16 +0100 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp1.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cT8y-00042h-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:59:12 +0100 Received: from adsl ([217.127.130.21]) by tnetsmtp1.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HI2SIM00.KXE for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:59:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c34af2$cb1b2240$0501a8c0@adsl> From: "Federico Olaizola" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:01:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE_XYL Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
        My sponsor in amateur radio - Jenaro Ruiz de Arcaute - EA2BJ (ex EAR6 - amateur since 1918) told me in abt  1958 that the X of XYL, meaned "married - Xtal controled".
 
                                                            73 de Federico   EA2HB 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25693 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 11:21:27 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 11:21:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 19113 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 11:21:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 11:21:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cNrI-0001u8-Va for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:20:36 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cNrE-0001tx-E0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:20:32 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-251.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.251] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19cNrC-0007b8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:20:31 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c34ac3$42c6aa60$35ce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:19:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: YL XYL YF PR? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Not PC enough......try SOOS = significant other opposite sex and SOSS As a project ry: NYLNSY -----Original Message----- From: Andy talbot To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Date: 15 July 2003 11:29 Subject: LF: RE: Re: YL XYL YF PR? >In these days of political corrrectness, how about the term SO for > 'Significant Other' - easy to send on CW. > >Andy > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Rabson [SMTP:word.factory@zetnet.co.uk] >Sent: 2003/07/15 10:17 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: Re: YL XYL YF PR? > >Then there was OG = 'old girl' but even 40 years ago that was used very >rarely. > >About 35 years ago I had what we would now call an animated discussion with >Sylvia Margolis (G3UML's mother) about the correct telegraphic term for >spouse. She insisted that YF was correct, but somebody else in the >conversation suggested that it would never really catch on. > >73 >John Rabson G3PAI > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "captbrian" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:36 PM >Subject: LF: YL XYL YF PR? > > >> No. Remember this was all devised long before before ww2. >> >> OM equalled "old man" as a form of address of pre-war everyday useage >> similar to "mate" or "chum" today . >> YL equalled Young Lady - ie "my girl-friend " or even " steady " >today. >> >> . In polite pre-war days courtship had serious and honourable intentions >so >> it was assumed that courtship ended in marriage not just an "affaire". >> >> After marrying the "Young Lady" she became ex-Young-Lady. Hence XYL - >not >> an insult but a compliment. >> >> When I was a bright-eyed teenager (around the beginning of time according >to >> my grandchildren now ) YF was equally common-place morse usage for Wife, >> but that seems to have died. >> >> Of course, if so called same-sex marriages catch on a whole new raft of >> abbreviations could be devised !! >> >> ' Morse code usage is a living social history ' - discuss. ;-)) >> >> >> >> Bryan G3GVB >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alberto di Bene >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: 14 July 2003 14:51 >> Subject: Re: LF: Re: stress with xyl >> >> >> >Hugh M0WYE wrote: >> > >> >>I can't understand how the CW abreviation XYL came about. Please check >my >> >> >> >> >> >OM stands for Old Man and YL stands for Young Lady, supposedly the wife >> >of the old man. >> >XYL was introduced to indicate a next-to-become YL, i.e. the fiancee, >> >before marriage. >> >Then it became customary to indicate the wife with XYL, but the correct >> >way should be YL. >> > >> >73 Alberto I2PHD >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2498 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 10:27:48 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 10:27:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 20054 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Jul 2003 10:27:47 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 10:27:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cN1e-0001YW-Rs for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:27:14 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.141] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cN1a-0001YN-Sx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:27:10 +0100 Received: from [80.40.93.114] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19cN1Z-0007lp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:27:10 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:26:48 +0100 Message-ID: <01C34AC3.FAAA78A0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:26:44 +0100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RE: Re: YL XYL YF PR? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In these days of political corrrectness, how about the term SO for 'Significant Other' - easy to send on CW. Andy -----Original Message----- From: John Rabson [SMTP:word.factory@zetnet.co.uk] Sent: 2003/07/15 10:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: YL XYL YF PR? Then there was OG = 'old girl' but even 40 years ago that was used very rarely. About 35 years ago I had what we would now call an animated discussion with Sylvia Margolis (G3UML's mother) about the correct telegraphic term for spouse. She insisted that YF was correct, but somebody else in the conversation suggested that it would never really catch on. 73 John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: LF: YL XYL YF PR? > No. Remember this was all devised long before before ww2. > > OM equalled "old man" as a form of address of pre-war everyday useage > similar to "mate" or "chum" today . > YL equalled Young Lady - ie "my girl-friend " or even " steady " today. > > . In polite pre-war days courtship had serious and honourable intentions so > it was assumed that courtship ended in marriage not just an "affaire". > > After marrying the "Young Lady" she became ex-Young-Lady. Hence XYL - not > an insult but a compliment. > > When I was a bright-eyed teenager (around the beginning of time according to > my grandchildren now ) YF was equally common-place morse usage for Wife, > but that seems to have died. > > Of course, if so called same-sex marriages catch on a whole new raft of > abbreviations could be devised !! > > ' Morse code usage is a living social history ' - discuss. ;-)) > > > > Bryan G3GVB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alberto di Bene > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: 14 July 2003 14:51 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: stress with xyl > > > >Hugh M0WYE wrote: > > > >>I can't understand how the CW abreviation XYL came about. Please check my > >> > >> > >OM stands for Old Man and YL stands for Young Lady, supposedly the wife > >of the old man. > >XYL was introduced to indicate a next-to-become YL, i.e. the fiancee, > >before marriage. > >Then it became customary to indicate the wife with XYL, but the correct > >way should be YL. > > > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6745 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 09:46:01 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 09:46:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10107 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 09:45:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 09:45:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cMMz-0001Fa-LR for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:45:13 +0100 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cMMv-0001FR-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:45:09 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19cMMv-0006BO-00 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:45:09 +0100 Received: from johnb5a82ea1a4 (bts-0369.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.113]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.zet) with ESMTP id h6F9j6Fa031167 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:45:07 +0100 Message-ID: <006001c34ab5$d9b21ad0$7131f7c2@johnb5a82ea1a4> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c34a3f$561ad520$72ce28c3@captbrian> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:16:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: YL XYL YF PR? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Then there was OG = 'old girl' but even 40 years ago that was used very rarely. About 35 years ago I had what we would now call an animated discussion with Sylvia Margolis (G3UML's mother) about the correct telegraphic term for spouse. She insisted that YF was correct, but somebody else in the conversation suggested that it would never really catch on. 73 John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: LF: YL XYL YF PR? > No. Remember this was all devised long before before ww2. > > OM equalled "old man" as a form of address of pre-war everyday useage > similar to "mate" or "chum" today . > YL equalled Young Lady - ie "my girl-friend " or even " steady " today. > > . In polite pre-war days courtship had serious and honourable intentions so > it was assumed that courtship ended in marriage not just an "affaire". > > After marrying the "Young Lady" she became ex-Young-Lady. Hence XYL - not > an insult but a compliment. > > When I was a bright-eyed teenager (around the beginning of time according to > my grandchildren now ) YF was equally common-place morse usage for Wife, > but that seems to have died. > > Of course, if so called same-sex marriages catch on a whole new raft of > abbreviations could be devised !! > > ' Morse code usage is a living social history ' - discuss. ;-)) > > > > Bryan G3GVB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alberto di Bene > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: 14 July 2003 14:51 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: stress with xyl > > > >Hugh M0WYE wrote: > > > >>I can't understand how the CW abreviation XYL came about. Please check my > >> > >> > >OM stands for Old Man and YL stands for Young Lady, supposedly the wife > >of the old man. > >XYL was introduced to indicate a next-to-become YL, i.e. the fiancee, > >before marriage. > >Then it became customary to indicate the wife with XYL, but the correct > >way should be YL. > > > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31479 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 08:35:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 08:35:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2740 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 08:35:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2003 08:35:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cLEL-0000kr-W8 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:32:13 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cLEG-0000ki-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:32:08 +0100 Received: from host213-122-41-1.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.41.1] helo=dave) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19cLEA-0000OL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:32:03 +0100 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:34:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3F13CAA0.11570.B24004@localhost> In-reply-to: <001501c34a40$4c6bc740$6507a8c0@Main> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: Re: PROP PREDICTIONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false On 14 Jul 2003 at 20:43, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi all, I totally agree with Mal's comments. I have also chatted at > length with the guys who produce the HF predictions and they worry a > lot about their work actually discouraging people from putting signals > out. The HF Propagaion reports are quite difficult because it really > depends what kind of a station you have. I remember when I ran 400W > PEP and a 3el beam at 45 feet I worked bands after they had "closed" > and often was "the only European" when I called in. (the problem is > that it gets boring after a while). I did find the predictions a > useful guide to what "should" be happening, but there is no subsistute > for listening for a beacon and putting out a call or two The IARU contest this weekend was a good example of this. Those with big stations could still work a fair amount of dx, but even those runing 100W were moaning of poor conditions on HF, and at this station with 5W and a long wire it was decidedly hard work, with very little dx even heard. And that was during a major international contest where all the bands should be jam packed with USA stations, the few Ws I heard were pretty weak. I rarely consult the propagation predictions. When the bands are wide open they are unduly pessimistic, and when poor they only serve to tell me what I would be hearing if I had a decent set up. The only way is to listen on the bands often when you get a very good feel of what you should be hearing on a particular band at a particular time of day. Of course if there is no activity then you will hear nothing. This is perhaps even truer at LF where activity is non existant in many cases. But perhaps as Mal comments that elusive 'real CW' transatlantic QSO cannot be that far away. 73 Dave G3YMC dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31576 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 21:17:07 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 21:17:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14345 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 21:17:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 21:17:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cAgU-0006Mj-4O for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:16:34 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsrelay04.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cAgP-0006Ma-FG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:16:29 +0100 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 21:15:57 -0000 Received: from usa.net [81.211.139.157] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 928HgNVP30364M31; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:15:55 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 81.211.139.157 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F131D9B.9060105@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:16:11 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c34a3f$561ad520$72ce28c3@captbrian> Subject: Re: LF: YL XYL YF PR? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false captbrian wrote: >[...] >After marrying the "Young Lady" she became ex-Young-Lady. Hence XYL - not >an insult but a compliment. >[...] > > Hmmm, you seem to be right then. I must say this to the Old Man (and today he must be really an Old Man, if he is still alive) who taught me CW when I was young. He gave me the explanation I reported in my previous message, but yours seems to be more correct. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25782 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 20:43:41 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 20:43:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 752 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 20:43:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 20:43:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cAAL-00066Q-Bk for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:43:21 +0100 Received: from [195.224.180.233] (helo=olympus.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cAAH-00066H-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:43:17 +0100 Received: from k7t (117.235.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.235.117]) by olympus.pncl.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.7) with SMTP id h6EJpoAS024002 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:51:52 +0100 Message-ID: <006701c34a48$aaad7120$75eb23d4@k7t> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <010b01c34a2e$f0f8e3e0$f91999c2@k7t> <004601c34a31$2999bce0$31e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:42:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5,REFERENCES) Subject: LF: Re: Decca rx. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false OK Mal, many thanks for your kind offer of the Mk 12. Please contact David Jones at the flg to arrange shipping, etc: djones@litramfg.com I will let him know he's struck lucky. Walter G3JKV. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.500 / Virus Database: 298 - Release Date: 10/07/03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31096 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 20:42:15 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 20:42:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28650 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 20:42:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 20:42:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19cA8i-00063N-VZ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:41:40 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.19] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19cA8d-000633-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:41:35 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:41:04 -0700 Received: from 136.226.254.148 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:41:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [136.226.254.148] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:41:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2003 20:41:04.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E5D2BA0:01C34A48] Subject: Re: LF: Re: PROP PREDICTIONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Its sort of ironic that in the summer I only see LF signals from Europe/US during the "daytime" and when hard Xrays have/are creating havoc to my fellow hams on the higher bands. Given the level of signals I saw back in January I reckon a 136Khz CW Qso is a good possibility (not probability) from here - shame Im not going to be here for the winter to hear it - I need some lobbying to get my bosses to let me stay here till at least Feb! No update as of yet on my part 5 application for a 135/136Khz tx licence - it will be just my luck to receive it as the movers arrive. Hope I can get it transfrerred if I get to stay in the US. We get into a greynight zone to Joe Vo1NA at the end of this month, and then Europe in September... so Ill be looking at the snapshots with more interest Laurence KL1X, 80F Sunny and Not too many signals on HF. http://www.kl1x.com > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14020 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 19:44:25 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16454 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 19:44:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:44:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c9Ez-0005iX-0z for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:44:05 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c9Ev-0005iL-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:44:01 +0100 Received: from host213-122-171-192.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.171.192] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19c9Et-0000Gt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:44:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c34a40$4c6bc740$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002e01c34a2e$07f120e0$31e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:43:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: PROP PREDICTIONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, I totally agree with Mal's comments. I have also chatted at length with the guys who produce the HF predictions and they worry a lot about their work actually discouraging people from putting signals out. The HF Propagaion reports are quite difficult because it really depends what kind of a station you have. I remember when I ran 400W PEP and a 3el beam at 45 feet I worked bands after they had "closed" and often was "the only European" when I called in. (the problem is that it gets boring after a while). I did find the predictions a useful guide to what "should" be happening, but there is no subsistute for listening for a beacon and putting out a call or two. Like the HF predictions my efforts are hoped to help those who may have limited time or limited ERP to make best use of their available effort. By all means try when the band is supposed to be dead....but please let me know what you achieve. You know the old saying....it is the "exception"...... we are not into "proving rules" here but exceptional qsos at times when the band is expected to be difficult shine a usefull light (for me, at least) on what might be happening. The last three years of collecting data has all be in an attempt to understand 136 and dispell the myth that we "wouldn't get out of our back gardens". You may remember I was one of the heretics who suggested that, on the basis of CFH strength, a transatlantic crossing might be possible, about 6 months before Dave proved the point. I can certainly understand the elation that must have been felt by those hearing signals on HF from "across the pond" in the 1920s. To me this is the attraction of LF ....there are still frontiers to be pushed out. It is not just in big signal intercontinental DX, but even in proving the range possible on QRP....Joe is only running about 120watts input. So with a better night and maybe a bit more power a hand keyed morse qso is "ON" ....... and that's a prediction !! Remember LF stands for L(otsa) F(un) as well Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17889 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 19:39:55 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:39:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 26686 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 19:39:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:39:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c9AZ-0005cW-CQ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:39:31 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c9AV-0005cJ-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:39:27 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-114.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.114] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19c9AU-0009Di-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:39:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c34a3f$cbba86e0$72ce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:40:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Decca rx. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Where's Watford ? Bryan - Brighton. -----Original Message----- From: hamilton mal To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 14 July 2003 20:03 Subject: LF: Re: Decca rx. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Walter Blanchard" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:27 PM >Subject: LF: Decca rx. > > >> I've had a request from a Canadian historical group who run an old WW2 >> destroyer as a museum whether I can find them a Decca Navigator Mk 5 or >Mk >> 12. Nothing later since she was taken out of commission in 1970. I have >had >> no luck so far in spite of the fact that over 10,000 Mk 12's were built. >> There MUST be one around somewhere! Can anyone help? Doesn't have to be >> working of course. >> >> Walter G3JKV. > >They DID NOT ASK THE RIGHT PERSON. I have a MK12 in MIND CONDX and several >of the later versions up to the version MK 53 that incorporates both LF and >GPS >I also got hold of six 5501 units some time back and mentioned this on this >reflector. I also got a tip off about more units sitting in a scrap yard up >North but no one seemed to be interested. I suppose there is not much >interest in activities north of Watford, in spite of the fact these units >were going for aliminum scrap value. > >G3KEV > > > > >G3KEV > > >> >> >> --- >> >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17173 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 19:36:52 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:36:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 20224 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 19:36:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:36:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c97O-0005Zl-Dy for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:36:14 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c97K-0005Zc-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:36:10 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-114.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.114] helo=captbrian) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19c97J-000BuT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:36:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c34a3f$561ad520$72ce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:36:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: YL XYL YF PR? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false No. Remember this was all devised long before before ww2. OM equalled "old man" as a form of address of pre-war everyday useage similar to "mate" or "chum" today . YL equalled Young Lady - ie "my girl-friend " or even " steady " today. . In polite pre-war days courtship had serious and honourable intentions so it was assumed that courtship ended in marriage not just an "affaire". After marrying the "Young Lady" she became ex-Young-Lady. Hence XYL - not an insult but a compliment. When I was a bright-eyed teenager (around the beginning of time according to my grandchildren now ) YF was equally common-place morse usage for Wife, but that seems to have died. Of course, if so called same-sex marriages catch on a whole new raft of abbreviations could be devised !! ' Morse code usage is a living social history ' - discuss. ;-)) Bryan G3GVB -----Original Message----- From: Alberto di Bene To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 14 July 2003 14:51 Subject: Re: LF: Re: stress with xyl >Hugh M0WYE wrote: > >>I can't understand how the CW abreviation XYL came about. Please check my >> >> >OM stands for Old Man and YL stands for Young Lady, supposedly the wife >of the old man. >XYL was introduced to indicate a next-to-become YL, i.e. the fiancee, >before marriage. >Then it became customary to indicate the wife with XYL, but the correct >way should be YL. > >73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1773 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 18:58:35 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:58:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 9120 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 18:58:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:58:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c8WY-0005KM-3N for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:58:10 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c8WU-0005KD-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:58:06 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-114.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.114] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19c8WS-000NJV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:58:05 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c34a3a$04745fc0$72ce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:59:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: PROP PREDICTIONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This past weekend contest proves it. Top band and ten metres have been "dead" for several weeks. :-(( On Saturday evening 160 was a hotbed of activity - all around Europe on 'Phone and some transatlantic on cw. Similar scene on 10m on Sunday morning. It's like the pub on Tuesdays - no-one goes there because it's dead [because no-one goes there!!] :-)) Bryan and, -----Original Message----- From: hamilton mal To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 14 July 2003 19:37 Subject: LF: PROP PREDICTIONS Over the years in spite of poor propogation predictions I have worked some good DX on 160 metres at these times. The predictions mean that things could be better and just a rough guide, it is seldom that communications are a total wipe out and the same applies to LF. Dont get scared just plug away and you will be surprised what you can work. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4663 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 18:57:03 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:57:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12738 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 18:56:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:56:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c8Up-0005Jb-6Z for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:56:23 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c8Ul-0005JS-Ay for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:56:19 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.33]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030714185618.GMLL5914.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:56:18 +0100 Message-ID: <004601c34a31$2999bce0$31e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <010b01c34a2e$f0f8e3e0$f91999c2@k7t> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:55:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Decca rx. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Blanchard" To: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: LF: Decca rx. > I've had a request from a Canadian historical group who run an old WW2 > destroyer as a museum whether I can find them a Decca Navigator Mk 5 or Mk > 12. Nothing later since she was taken out of commission in 1970. I have had > no luck so far in spite of the fact that over 10,000 Mk 12's were built. > There MUST be one around somewhere! Can anyone help? Doesn't have to be > working of course. > > Walter G3JKV. They DID NOT ASK THE RIGHT PERSON. I have a MK12 in MIND CONDX and several of the later versions up to the version MK 53 that incorporates both LF and GPS I also got hold of six 5501 units some time back and mentioned this on this reflector. I also got a tip off about more units sitting in a scrap yard up North but no one seemed to be interested. I suppose there is not much interest in activities north of Watford, in spite of the fact these units were going for aliminum scrap value. G3KEV G3KEV > > > --- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8095 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 18:34:22 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:34:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 3684 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c89B-00052y-Rh for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:34:01 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.48] (helo=mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c897-00052p-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:57 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.49]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030714183353.OJOH291.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:53 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c34a2e$07f120e0$31e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:30:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PROP PREDICTIONS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Over the years in spite of poor propogation predictions I have worked some good DX on 160 metres at these times.
The predictions mean that things could be better and just a rough guide, it is seldom that communications are a total wipe out and the same applies to LF.
Dont get scared just plug away and you will be surprised what you can work.
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8080 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3665 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c893-00052l-62 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:53 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.48] (helo=mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c88z-00052c-8c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:49 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.49]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030714183348.OJKU291.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:48 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c34a2e$04d49ea0$31e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:23:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    During my periods of listening/watching VO1NA  last week the signal received here at QRS 30  could easily have been copied at QRS 3 or normal CW at this QTH. The signal at times was as strong as RN6BN that I worked on normal CW a while back.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4153 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3647 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 18:34:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 18:34:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c88v-00052Y-Py for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:45 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.48] (helo=mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c88r-00052P-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:41 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.49]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030714183340.OJGP291.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 19:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c34a2e$0060c9c0$31e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <19biRV-09Lw920@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:16:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: ICOM 746 cure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Heinz Bordé"" To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: LF: ICOM 746 cure I tryed the proposal of Mal. It works. The carrier could be moved to abt. 140 kHz. See INSTRUCTION MANUAL IC 746, chapter 11-4 (ADJUSTMENTS-ADJUSTING the LCD), bringing down LCD BACKLIGHT to 10% By the way: the 746 is not that bad at 137 kHz: I could copy a G4 stn calling cq without preamp. Ant is a T - one, 8 m vertical and 20 m tpo load. Hi Heinz. I have a 746 and it compares with the TS 850 as regards sensitivity and with a CW filter fitted it is very good on 137 k hz. You can also use the APF to advantage. After the above adjustments to remove the inband carrier qrm on 137 khz this makes a great RX for LF. Glad you had success. 73 de Mal/G3KEV - the STATION FOR INFORMATION AND EDUCATION 73 to all, Heinz, DM2BHG "hamilton mal" schrieb: > Heinz/DM2BHG recently enquired about a cure for the inband carrier around 136 khz on his ICOM 746 > > To eliminate this carrier adjust the DISPLAY CONTRAST CTL to around 10% and BACKLIGHT CTL the same 10%. > This will move the offending carrier up HF to about 143 khz. This operation takes a couple of minutes > The IC 746 is a good sensitive LF RX on the 137 khz band with the appropriate CW FILTER installed. > 73 and gl > de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7295 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 17:42:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 17:42:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9785 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 17:42:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 17:42:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c7Hx-0004jW-Jf for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:39:01 +0100 Received: from [195.224.180.233] (helo=olympus.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c7Ht-0004jN-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:38:57 +0100 Received: from k7t (249.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.net [194.153.25.249]) by olympus.pncl.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.7) with SMTP id h6EGlcAW013814 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:47:41 +0100 Message-ID: <010b01c34a2e$f0f8e3e0$f91999c2@k7t> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:27:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.1, required 5,BAYES_60) X-MailScanner-SpamScore: s Subject: LF: Decca rx. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I've had a request from a Canadian historical group who run an old WW2 destroyer as a museum whether I can find them a Decca Navigator Mk 5 or Mk 12. Nothing later since she was taken out of commission in 1970. I have had no luck so far in spite of the fact that over 10,000 Mk 12's were built. There MUST be one around somewhere! Can anyone help? Doesn't have to be working of course. Walter G3JKV. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9530 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 17:40:39 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 17:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8661 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 17:40:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 17:40:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c7Hr-0004jJ-Aa for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:38:55 +0100 Received: from [195.224.180.233] (helo=olympus.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c7Hn-0004jA-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:38:51 +0100 Received: from k7t (249.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.net [194.153.25.249]) by olympus.pncl.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.7) with SMTP id h6EGlcAS013814 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:47:39 +0100 Message-ID: <010901c34a2e$ef6f36a0$f91999c2@k7t> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c349d4$d1bfacc0$15062850@hughspc> <001101c349df$798686e0$3704210a@Hugh> <3F12B471.2000208@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:09:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5,REFERENCES) Subject: LF: xyl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false My wife took great exception to being called an "ex-young lady" when I married her 45 years ago. She made a very funny speech to the Crawley ARC annual dinner about it and as a result they resolved on the spot never to call wives "XYL's" again! Regrettably it didn't catch on. Walter G3JKV. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23167 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 14:09:04 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 14:09:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20727 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 14:09:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 14:09:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c40E-0003Xs-As for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:08:30 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.233] (helo=smtp04.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c409-0003Xf-Vg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:08:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 26407 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 14:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.168.141]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp04.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jul 2003 14:07:52 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030714154909.00a29cc0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:06:31 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <000201c34989$77d809a0$d258893e@c9b3d1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Transmissions 29.06.03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Ed,

From the messages on this reflector it is evident that quite a few amateurs received SAQ OK, using different types of receiver. 
Last year I measured the field strength of SAQ at my location as more than 400 microvolt/metre, so a respectable signal.
But is important that the aerial system is more or less tuned to 17.2kHz.

I used the aerial system for the 136kHz band with 26nF extra in parallel with  the tuning/matching coil to make the system resonant at 17.2kHz.
The receiver was a Wandel & Goltermann selective level meter type PSM-12, connected to a tap near the bottom end of the tuning coil. 
But you don't  need such a sensitive instrument at all.
Jim, M0BMU, made and used an electro-mechanical receiver  (a design in harmony with the alternator transmitter) without any amplification at all,  that was described in RadCom of March 2002.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 22:53 13-7-03 +0100, you wrote:
Hi Group,
I picked up your email address from  the American lwca.org website, and would respectfully ask please if you know of anyone who did receive the  June 03 SAQ transmissions in the UK, and if so but  more importantly------ How?
Here in the North-East corner of England, I heard absolutely nothing, much to my surprise and disappointment. Clearly, my home-brew receiving system wasn't sensitive enough, despite my efforts.  So I would really be pleased to get technical details from anyone who actually managed to receive the signals, such that I can be ready for the New Year's SAQ schedule?
Any ideas please?
73 de Ed. Chicken G3BIK
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9396 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 13:48:47 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 13:48:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 9898 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 13:48:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 13:48:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c3gJ-0003Ls-OW for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:47:55 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsrelay04.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c3gF-0003LZ-Eb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:47:51 +0100 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 13:47:19 -0000 Received: from usa.net [81.211.131.89] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 689HgNNvP0399M28; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:47:16 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 81.211.131.89 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F12B471.2000208@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:47:29 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c349d4$d1bfacc0$15062850@hughspc> <001101c349df$798686e0$3704210a@Hugh> Subject: Re: LF: Re: stress with xyl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hugh M0WYE wrote: >I can't understand how the CW abreviation XYL came about. Please check my > > OM stands for Old Man and YL stands for Young Lady, supposedly the wife of the old man. XYL was introduced to indicate a next-to-become YL, i.e. the fiancee, before marriage. Then it became customary to indicate the wife with XYL, but the correct way should be YL. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 716 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 12:12:22 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 12:12:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 27451 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 12:12:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 12:12:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c2AN-0002dF-9E for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:10:51 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c2AI-0002d6-9I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:10:46 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19c2AA-0002Qw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:10:38 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19c2A8-0003da-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:10:36 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030714110704.00aa9418@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:08:31 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <1c9.c88d9c8.2c4135b5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: TA test again Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070707030505000605080906" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070707030505000605080906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Joe, LF Group I monitored VO1NA over 11/12th and 13/14th - missed 12/13th due to "finger trouble". On both nights I had good copy between 0100 and 0200utc, with signal levels deteriorating towards dawn - the reverse of the situation during the week, so it would certainly seem conditions have changed. Still "O" copy for an hour or so each night though. To investigate the effect of using different dot lengths, I made a .wav file recording of the receiver audio during one of the better periods over 11/12th, and played it back through Spectrum Lab with different FFT resolutions corresponding to 3s, 10s, and 30s dot lengths, but keeping the scroll rate of the display the same. This gives a fairly good picture of how the signal would look at these different speeds. In the attachment, the top trace is "QRSS3", the middle trace "QRSS10", and the bottom trace is how it actually was at QRSS30. The correspondence is not perfect because the noise bursts are effectively compressed in time for the faster modes, but it gives a pretty good idea. The QRSS3 trace is certainly visible, but poor copy, but the QRSS10 trace is easily readable, so it looks like 10s dots should be a good choice under reasonable conditions. increasing the speed would certainly make life easier; a minimal QSO could be completed in an hour or so. 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(212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 08:21:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 29712 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 08:21:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 08:21:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19byYp-000151-V7 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:19:51 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.148] (helo=zinc.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19byYk-00014r-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:19:46 +0100 Received: from host213-122-143-196.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.143.196] helo=Main) by zinc.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19byYj-0006kN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:19:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c349e0$ac4f83a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:19:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Prop 13/14th July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, as expected the propagation conditions at this latitude were squashed last night by the effects of the last geomagnetic storm. CFH made one peak (only at 24dBuV) at 0100z here and then dived into the noise for the rest of the night. Brian's plots show reduced levels on the single hop path to DCF39 but obviously not as dramatic. Brian's plot also shows about 3dB reduction in the normal daytime levels on Sunday, but with very little evidence of multipath so I presume this is increased absorption. Mid-day levels into Europe may improve and be enhanced over the next few days whilst the after-effects decay away. I would expect the poor night-time levels to last for about 10 days or so. The "short" sea path to Newfoundland seems to be able to carry Joe's signals across even under poor conditions. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com Full prop report, and graphs at http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20287 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 08:15:25 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 08:15:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16519 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 08:15:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 08:15:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19byRx-00011j-DM for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:12:45 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.219] (helo=netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19byRm-00010u-T0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:12:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 19448 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 08:12:03 -0000 Received: from ctuash.plus.com (HELO Hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 08:12:03 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c349df$798686e0$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: "LF-Group" References: <003001c349d4$d1bfacc0$15062850@hughspc> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:09:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: stress with xyl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Uwe, We have "allotment gardens". The local council provides small pieces of land on which to grow vegetables, cut flowers, etc. and my wife has now a number of these. Also, you could offer to help with the "pruning". ... it is helpful to know some gardenling language, like "cut hard back" and "it will shoot out again next year". Hard pruning is a good way to get rid of aphids on almost any plant. No plant; no aphids. I can't understand how the CW abreviation XYL came about. Please check my sums, but "XYL" is 14 dots and dot-length-spaces and 7 dashes or inter-character-gaps = 35 dots, but "WIFE" is 13 dots and spaces and 6 dashes or intercharacter gaps = 31, therefore it is quicker to send WIFE than XYL. Perhaps it is more "politically correct" - but few of our partners would appreciate being called Ex- young ladies - they are forever 21 ! Family comes first. 73 Hugh M0WYE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 10:35 PM > Subject: LF: stress with xyl > > > > Hi all, > > > > I do not know how you come along with your XYL concerning the > > feminist obsession planting and planting until there is no > > corner left for masts and coils. see attachment. > > any advice ? > > > > regards > > > > Uwe/dj8wx > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11636 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 05:34:27 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 05:34:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 2576 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 05:34:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 05:34:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bvyJ-0000IE-RP for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:33:59 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bvyG-0000I5-06 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:33:56 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-2.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.2] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19bvyE-000IPi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:33:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c349c9$ae0f5380$02ce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:34:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: SAQ Transmissions 29.06.03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false SAQ copied here 339 on 29/6. at 0930 and 11.30 [BST] Rx = an old B41 ; all valves glowing with excited anticipation. Antenna inverted L ; 16 ft vertical with 100 ft. top. earthed to water pipe via two off-the-shelf-reels of hook up wire [length and inductance unknown ] in series but not inter-coupled . Coils at 12 foot level - upstairs shack . Tap rx across the lower of the reels Play about adding subtracting reels while listening to nearby (near 17.2 Khz. ) unidentified carriers. Not exactly an exact science but it worked two years running. Much static - need selective ears. The mains RX chassis is earthed to mains earth = same water pipe. so probably bad ground loop inviting mains borne interference but I refuse to make posh installation for two 2 minute transmissions per annum.!! Bryan - G3GVB at Brighton sea-level on solid chalk :-(( -----Original Message----- From: E.Chicken MBE To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 13 July 2003 22:57 Subject: LF: SAQ Transmissions 29.06.03 Hi Group, I picked up your email address from the American lwca.org website, and would respectfully ask please if you know of anyone who did receive the June 03 SAQ transmissions in the UK, and if so but more importantly------ How? Here in the North-East corner of England, I heard absolutely nothing, much to my surprise and disappointment. Clearly, my home-brew receiving system wasn't sensitive enough, despite my efforts. So I would really be pleased to get technical details from anyone who actually managed to receive the signals, such that I can be ready for the New Year's SAQ schedule? Any ideas please? 73 de Ed. Chicken G3BIK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18507 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 04:56:54 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 04:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21126 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jul 2003 04:56:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 04:56:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bvNr-00006c-Gj for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:56:19 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bvNn-00006T-Ld for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:56:15 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-2.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.2] helo=captbrian) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19bvNm-0004ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:56:14 +0100 Message-ID: <003601c349c4$6ac021e0$b11686d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 05:57:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: stress with xyl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I divorced mine. Bought weedkiller instead. Tell yours. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 13 July 2003 22:42 Subject: LF: stress with xyl Hi all, I do not know how you come along with your XYL concerning the feminist obsession planting and planting until there is no corner left for masts and coils. see attachment. any advice ? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7342 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 22:51:36 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 22:51:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7256 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 22:51:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 22:51:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bpg5-00071n-Ed for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:45 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.148] (helo=zinc.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bpg1-00071b-K9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:41 +0100 Received: from host213-122-75-180.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.75.180] helo=Main) by zinc.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19bpg0-0000WO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:50:41 +0100 Message-ID: <003201c34991$3ad18100$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3F0B0678.5ED6A8D2@snet.net> <3041877432.20030711221115@dx.ru> <19boVJ-0gzx9k0@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:19:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: stress with xyl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Uwe, did no one tell you that RF stimulation helps grow the biggest juiciest tomatoes and the fattest stawberries ....but it does disorientate the poor old "bumble" bees...so not good for flowers !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: Sent: 13 July 2003 22:35 Subject: LF: stress with xyl > Hi all, > > I do not know how you come along with your XYL concerning the > feminist obsession planting and planting until there is no > corner left for masts and coils. see attachment. > any advice ? > > regards > > Uwe/dj8wx ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30339 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 21:56:26 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 21:56:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 28957 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 21:56:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bopJ-0006mK-Gl for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:56:13 +0100 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bopF-0006mB-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:56:09 +0100 Received: from modem-210.oregon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.88.210] helo=c9b3d1) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bopD-00065u-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:56:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c34989$77d809a0$d258893e@c9b3d1> From: "E.Chicken MBE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:53:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: SAQ Transmissions 29.06.03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Group,
I picked up your email address from  the American lwca.org website, and would respectfully ask please if you know of anyone who did receive the  June 03 SAQ transmissions in the UK, and if so but  more importantly------ How?
Here in the North-East corner of England, I heard absolutely nothing, much to my surprise and disappointment. Clearly, my home-brew receiving system wasn't sensitive enough, despite my efforts.  So I would really be pleased to get technical details from anyone who actually managed to receive the signals, such that I can be ready for the New Year's SAQ schedule?
Any ideas please?
73 de Ed. Chicken G3BIK
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27426 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 21:53:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 21:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 23023 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 21:53:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 21:53:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bom9-0006gg-Vw for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:52:57 +0100 Received: from [64.4.23.19] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bom6-0006gX-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:52:54 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:52:22 -0700 Received: from 24.237.8.95 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:52:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.237.8.95] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:52:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2003 21:52:22.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A3A0E70:01C34989] Subject: Re: LF: destress with xyl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I would say that you should move to Alaska - Moose tend to remove all local lossy capacitive materials near arrays - they jump 6ft fences so when the nice plants get eaten you can just shrug your shoulders to the XYL. Whole gardens of flowers/shrubs get wiped out by these fellows - they also seem to have a taste for old UR67 but wont chew on LDf-450. They obviously prefer lossy cables. Laurence KL1X >From: 0482183881-0001@t-online.de (jannsen) >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: stress with xyl >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:35:33 +0200 > >Hi all, > >I do not know how you come along with your XYL concerning the >feminist obsession planting and planting until there is no >corner left for masts and coils. see attachment. >any advice ? > >regards > >Uwe/dj8wx ><< COIL-G~1.JPG >> _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12434 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 21:37:15 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 21:37:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18891 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 21:37:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 21:37:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19boVp-0006ZY-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:36:05 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.19] (helo=mailout06.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19boVl-0006ZP-Ez for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:36:01 +0100 Received: from fwd07.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19boVg-0006F0-01; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:35:56 +0200 Received: from (Zkdc7OZBoew3JCbMK6L0jI96Pzal6ZUqd+Nr2X9zjTfcR32KkzSuUo@[62.155.252.185]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19boVJ-0gzx9k0; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:35:33 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3F0B0678.5ED6A8D2@snet.net> <3041877432.20030711221115@dx.ru> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:35:33 +0200 Message-ID: <19boVJ-0gzx9k0@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: Zkdc7OZBoew3JCbMK6L0jI96Pzal6ZUqd+Nr2X9zjTfcR32KkzSuUo Subject: LF: stress with xyl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010509010803040803020301" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5221 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 15:40:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3689 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 15:40:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 15:40:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bix5-0005A5-It for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:39:51 +0100 Received: from [205.188.157.34] (helo=imo-d02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bix1-00059w-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:39:47 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1e8.ceafc4c (3842) for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:39:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.ceafc4c.2c42d721@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:39:13 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10617 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Joe and all,

absolutely nothing seen here from VO1NA this morning, just plenty of QRN. Around 01:15, CFH was ~9dB SNR in 5.4Hz.

73, have a nice Sunday
de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28937 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 15:07:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 15:07:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 18048 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 15:07:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 15:07:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19biRh-0004xI-Sq for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:07:25 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.83] (helo=mailout07.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19biRe-0004x9-1A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 16:07:22 +0100 Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19biRd-000706-03; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:07:21 +0200 Received: from 217.4.81.132 (EquXIsZBQeJTQsNwM4vRrrIyrB8uHLQaEA4i6CuDWYFVLdWNbHXWrU@[217.4.81.132]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19biRV-09Lw920; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:07:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?\\=22Heinz_Bord=E9\\=22?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.111 Date: 13 Jul 2003 15:07 GMT Message-ID: <19biRV-09Lw920@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: EquXIsZBQeJTQsNwM4vRrrIyrB8uHLQaEA4i6CuDWYFVLdWNbHXWrU@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: ICOM 746 cure Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I tryed the proposal of Mal. It works. The carrier could be moved to abt. 140 kHz. See INSTRUCTION MANUAL IC 746, chapter 11-4 (ADJUSTMENTS-ADJUSTING the LCD), bringing down LCD BACKLIGHT to 10% By the way: the 746 is not that bad at 137 kHz: I could copy a G4 stn calling cq without preamp. Ant is a T - one, 8 m vertical and 20 m tpo load. 73 to all, Heinz, DM2BHG "hamilton mal" schrieb: > Heinz/DM2BHG recently enquired about a cure for the inband carrier around 136 khz on his ICOM 746 > > To eliminate this carrier adjust the DISPLAY CONTRAST CTL to around 10% and BACKLIGHT CTL the same 10%. > This will move the offending carrier up HF to about 143 khz. This operation takes a couple of minutes > The IC 746 is a good sensitive LF RX on the 137 khz band with the appropriate CW FILTER installed. > 73 and gl > de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20418 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 14:50:37 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 14:50:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 26344 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 14:50:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 14:50:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19biAX-0004oB-3t for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:49:41 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19biAT-0004o2-As for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:49:37 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.138]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030713144936.WKGV5914.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:49:36 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c34945$89254cc0$8ae4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:48:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Transatlantic Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I did not listen last night for VO1NA on beacon mode. Having proved that my RX system is working well in a Westerly direction I now await two way QSO MODE with stations across the Atlantic. Hoping especially for activity from the USA
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3424 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 11:59:24 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 11:59:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7650 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 11:59:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 11:59:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bfV7-00040q-Ne for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:58:45 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bfV3-00040h-48 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:58:41 +0100 Received: from host213-122-122-148.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.122.148] helo=Main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19bfV2-00024l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:58:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c34936$1c4436c0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000601c3491b$e54eb0b0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> <001101c34913$156bd2e0$6507a8c0@Main> <5.2.0.9.2.20030713114302.00b3f340@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:58:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Brian it is quite interesting you still have a copy which is only a dB or two below "O" when the path is so far down. It gives an idea of how much margin there is. I would have predicted 3 sec dots should just have been possible on the "good" night. I note your CFH plot is very similar to mine and depressed by about the same amount. Both paths seem to have correlated well with that although the DCF39 path is more difficult to interpret for T/A signals. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rogerson" To: Sent: 13 July 2003 11:47 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July > The "comparison" mentioned below is now on: > > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Current_Captures.htm > > 73, Brian CT1DRP > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27383 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 11:48:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 11:48:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8602 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 11:48:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 11:48:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bfJn-0003tg-9e for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:47:03 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.29] (helo=jubilee.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bfJi-0003tX-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:46:58 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (sjm019.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.147]) by jubilee.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6DBRskL002208 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:27:54 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030713114302.00b3f340@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:47:02 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.2.20030713085537.020e2c60@pop.vianw.pt> References: <000601c3491b$e54eb0b0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> <001101c34913$156bd2e0$6507a8c0@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false The "comparison" mentioned below is now on: http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Current_Captures.htm 73, Brian CT1DRP At 09:00 13/07/2003, you wrote: >Hi > >As soon as my "always on" Homepages Server is reconnected I hope >to provide an interesting comparison between the morning of the 9th and >this morning. > >73, Brian CT1DRP > > > > > >At 09:51 13/07/2003, you wrote: >>Alan / Joe. >> >>Yes it look that way, just a vestige of signal at 0040, (presumably at your >>dusk?) then nothing all night. >> >>73 >>Dave G3YXM >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Alan Melia" >>To: "LF-Group" >>Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:47 AM >>Subject: LF: T/A Condx 12/13th July >> >> >> > Hi all, It looks as though I was a day too optimistic. According to my >>plot >> > of CFH last night, conditions had collapsed. Peak CFH levels here were >>only >> > about 22dBuV. This is about 10dB down on average and about 18dB down on >>the >> > best over the last week. I think we will now have to go though a "recovery >> > period" of about 10 days or more, before levels improve again. >> > >> > Cheers de Alan G3NYK >> > alan.melia@btinternet.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22107 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 09:41:56 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 09:41:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 25041 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 09:41:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 09:41:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bdLw-0003ED-5M for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:41:08 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bdLs-0003Dy-8I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:41:04 +0100 Received: from host213-122-80-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.80.118] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19bdLr-0004sh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:41:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c34922$e0cf3ee0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c34913$156bd2e0$6507a8c0@Main> <5.2.0.9.2.20030713085537.020e2c60@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:41:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Brian, I wondered why I couldn't get a plot...I though that all the ex-pats must be e-mailing home at this time or something.....been trying since about 0730z Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rogerson" To: Cc: Sent: 13 July 2003 09:00 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July > Hi > > As soon as my "always on" Homepages Server is reconnected I hope > to provide an interesting comparison between the morning of the 9th and > this morning. > > 73, Brian CT1DRP > > > > > > At 09:51 13/07/2003, you wrote: > >Alan / Joe. > > > >Yes it look that way, just a vestige of signal at 0040, (presumably at your > >dusk?) then nothing all night. > > > >73 > >Dave G3YXM > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alan Melia" > >To: "LF-Group" > >Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:47 AM > >Subject: LF: T/A Condx 12/13th July > > > > > > > Hi all, It looks as though I was a day too optimistic. According to my > >plot > > > of CFH last night, conditions had collapsed. Peak CFH levels here were > >only > > > about 22dBuV. This is about 10dB down on average and about 18dB down on > >the > > > best over the last week. I think we will now have to go though a "recovery > > > period" of about 10 days or more, before levels improve again. > > > > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14332 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 09:01:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 09:01:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7019 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 09:01:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 09:01:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bcii-00030P-SK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:00:36 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.29] (helo=jubilee.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bcie-00030G-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:00:33 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (sjm019.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.147]) by jubilee.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6D8fSiH024655; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030713085537.020e2c60@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:00:37 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Cc: suporte@vianetworks.pt In-reply-to: <000601c3491b$e54eb0b0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> References: <001101c34913$156bd2e0$6507a8c0@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi As soon as my "always on" Homepages Server is reconnected I hope to provide an interesting comparison between the morning of the 9th and this morning. 73, Brian CT1DRP At 09:51 13/07/2003, you wrote: >Alan / Joe. > >Yes it look that way, just a vestige of signal at 0040, (presumably at your >dusk?) then nothing all night. > >73 >Dave G3YXM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alan Melia" >To: "LF-Group" >Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:47 AM >Subject: LF: T/A Condx 12/13th July > > > > Hi all, It looks as though I was a day too optimistic. According to my >plot > > of CFH last night, conditions had collapsed. Peak CFH levels here were >only > > about 22dBuV. This is about 10dB down on average and about 18dB down on >the > > best over the last week. I think we will now have to go though a "recovery > > period" of about 10 days or more, before levels improve again. > > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11611 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 08:50:32 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 08:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 5929 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 08:50:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 08:50:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bcY1-0002sJ-LR for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:49:33 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bcXx-0002sA-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:49:29 +0100 Received: from host217-39-4-249.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.4.249] helo=dellboy) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19bcXx-0005aq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:49:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c3491b$e54eb0b0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c34913$156bd2e0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:51:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A Condx 12/13th July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alan / Joe. Yes it look that way, just a vestige of signal at 0040, (presumably at your dusk?) then nothing all night. 73 Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 8:47 AM Subject: LF: T/A Condx 12/13th July > Hi all, It looks as though I was a day too optimistic. According to my plot > of CFH last night, conditions had collapsed. Peak CFH levels here were only > about 22dBuV. This is about 10dB down on average and about 18dB down on the > best over the last week. I think we will now have to go though a "recovery > period" of about 10 days or more, before levels improve again. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25085 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 07:49:36 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 07:49:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16056 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 07:49:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 07:49:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bbaY-0002Ya-QN for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:48:06 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bbaV-0002YR-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:48:03 +0100 Received: from host213-122-27-122.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.27.122] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19bbaU-0004El-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:48:02 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c34913$156bd2e0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 08:47:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Condx 12/13th July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, It looks as though I was a day too optimistic. According to my plot of CFH last night, conditions had collapsed. Peak CFH levels here were only about 22dBuV. This is about 10dB down on average and about 18dB down on the best over the last week. I think we will now have to go though a "recovery period" of about 10 days or more, before levels improve again. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3882 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 00:11:24 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 00:11:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7209 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 00:11:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 00:11:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bUQY-0006Dz-2d for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:09:18 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bUQU-0006Dq-30 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:09:14 +0100 Received: from host217-39-4-249.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.4.249] helo=dellboy) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19bUQT-0003EQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:09:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c348d3$32d735d0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:10:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: TA test again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false The wretched grabber seems to be working at the moment. Presumably it'll stop as soon as I go to bed! 73 Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Craig" To: "Jay Rusgrove" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 12:59 AM Subject: Re: LF: TA test again > Jay and Group, > > Yes, just getting ready to throw the switch. > Hopefully Thor will be kind and not give you too much QRN. > > Cheers > Joe > > On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Jay Rusgrove wrote: > > > Joe > > > > Are you planning on running again tonight? > > > > Jay > > > > Joe Craig wrote: > > > > > Brain, > > > > > > That's another very good one. Thanks again > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Brian Rogerson wrote: > > > > > > > Joe, best capture was after daylight again and is at: > > > > > > > > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Current_Captures.htm > > > > > > > > otherwise not good. 73, Brian > > > > > > > > At 19:44 11/07/2003, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). > > > > >Many thanks to all who sent signal reports and > > > > >screen captures. It seems conditions were not quite as > > > > >good as they were yesterday. > > > > > > > > > >Cheers and thanks again > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8929 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2003 00:02:20 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 00:02:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4822 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jul 2003 00:02:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jul 2003 00:02:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bUGv-00068y-KX for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:59:21 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bUGr-00068p-Ab for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:59:17 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6CNxCOp022333; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:29:13 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6CNxC4s003671; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:29:12 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h6CNxBp1013541; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:29:11 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 21:29:11 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: "Jay Rusgrove" Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <3EF1E2D5.4AFAF7F3@snet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA test again Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jay and Group, Yes, just getting ready to throw the switch. Hopefully Thor will be kind and not give you too much QRN. Cheers Joe On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Jay Rusgrove wrote: > Joe > > Are you planning on running again tonight? > > Jay > > Joe Craig wrote: > > > Brain, > > > > That's another very good one. Thanks again > > > > Joe > > > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Brian Rogerson wrote: > > > > > Joe, best capture was after daylight again and is at: > > > > > > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Current_Captures.htm > > > > > > otherwise not good. 73, Brian > > > > > > At 19:44 11/07/2003, you wrote: > > > > > > >Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). > > > >Many thanks to all who sent signal reports and > > > >screen captures. It seems conditions were not quite as > > > >good as they were yesterday. > > > > > > > >Cheers and thanks again > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32381 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 22:57:24 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 22:57:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13987 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Jul 2003 22:57:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 22:57:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bTFU-0005YW-ND for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:53:48 +0100 Received: from [204.60.203.69] (helo=mta3.snet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bTFQ-0005YM-Mk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:53:44 +0100 Received: from snet.net (nrwl-sh6-port173.snet.net [204.60.239.173]) by mta3.snet.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/SNET-smtp-1.2/D-1.1.1.1/O-1.1.1.1) with ESMTP id h6CMrM8W009124 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3EF1E2D5.4AFAF7F3@snet.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:20:37 -0400 From: "Jay Rusgrove" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: TA test again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe Are you planning on running again tonight? Jay Joe Craig wrote: > Brain, > > That's another very good one. Thanks again > > Joe > > On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Brian Rogerson wrote: > > > Joe, best capture was after daylight again and is at: > > > > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Current_Captures.htm > > > > otherwise not good. 73, Brian > > > > At 19:44 11/07/2003, you wrote: > > > > >Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). > > >Many thanks to all who sent signal reports and > > >screen captures. It seems conditions were not quite as > > >good as they were yesterday. > > > > > >Cheers and thanks again > > >Joe > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22753 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 21:06:37 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 21:06:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1335 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Jul 2003 21:06:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 21:06:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bRVF-0004gQ-Bx for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:01:57 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bRVA-0004gD-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:01:52 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6CL1mOp012079 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:31:49 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6CL1l4s028614 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:31:48 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h6CL1lg1000116; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:31:47 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:31:46 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <5.2.0.9.2.20030712082422.00b3d140@pop.vianw.pt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA test again Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Brain, That's another very good one. Thanks again Joe On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Brian Rogerson wrote: > Joe, best capture was after daylight again and is at: > > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Current_Captures.htm > > otherwise not good. 73, Brian > > At 19:44 11/07/2003, you wrote: > > >Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). > >Many thanks to all who sent signal reports and > >screen captures. It seems conditions were not quite as > >good as they were yesterday. > > > >Cheers and thanks again > >Joe > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26044 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 19:01:41 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 19:01:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15990 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 19:01:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 19:01:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bPZ5-0003p6-H1 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:57:47 +0100 Received: from [205.188.157.38] (helo=imo-d06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bPZ1-0003ox-1c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:57:43 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.116.2610fbcc (16781) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:57:09 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <116.2610fbcc.2c41b404@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:57:08 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: TA report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In a message dated 7/12/03 6:38:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk writes: << Correction 0040 to 0134UTC Its that negative time stuff again! >> Perhaps some of us have the "arrow of time" stuck in us backwards, Peter. When I was reading Alberto's explanation the other day of why compound interest works in reverse on currency as one takes it back in time, I was struck by the observation that mine dimishes anyway as I move forward through time. Someone appears to have stuck a few minus signs at random into the great cosmic equations... John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2838 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 12:37:10 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 12:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 12449 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 12:37:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 12:37:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bJbd-0000ol-QY for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:36:01 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bJbZ-0000oc-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:35:57 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.10]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030712123556.MQZG18309.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:35:56 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c34869$b2fe92e0$0ad1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:35:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TA TEST Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all.
With signals from VO1NA being copied well here in the UK and in EU maybe we should try some QSO'S while the going is good. Perhaps EU stns could TX around 135.922 khz to avoid blocking the DX on 137.777 khz.
 
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20194 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 11:19:44 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 11:19:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10150 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 11:19:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 11:19:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bIOB-0000Ap-CS for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:18:03 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bIO7-0000Ag-Fd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:17:59 +0100 Received: from [158.152.117.143] (helo=pickmere.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19bIO6-0004MB-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:17:58 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:01:34 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M. J. Powell" References: <200307090629_MC3-1-4198-8555@compuserve.com> In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-S () Subject: Re: LF: GBR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In message , Steve Dove writes >Hi Geri, > >Fell about laughing . . . > >"Tubular Bells" (and many, many other records) were done at "The >Manor", a converted >country mansion residential studio owned by Herr (What cheque?) Branson >in the wilds of >central Oxfordshire, not very far away (<50km?) from GBR. "Bells" was >if not the first, >very close to the first, record made there; in younger spottier days I >worked for the >company that built the mixer. The studio was in the shambolic throes >of construction, >gear heaped everywhere, if you could negotiate around the resident and >nosey Great >Danes. Ground loops everywhere. I can confirm this sort of thing. I once spent weeks trying to get Radio Moscow (SW) out of a sound mixer in Dublin. I got it to the stage where it was just audible with full gain on everything, and there it stayed. Mike -- M.J.Powell From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12521 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 10:38:32 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 10:38:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 15748 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Jul 2003 10:38:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 10:38:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bHl0-0008Cf-Dj for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:37:34 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bHkw-0008CT-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:37:30 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-81.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.81] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19bHkv-000Ewq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c34862$c7dc3c00$a3e486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c34853$e0189a20$a3e486d4@erica> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:45:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > > Your signals received at G3LDO on the morning of 12 July over a period 0040 > to 0034UTC. Correction 0040 to 0134UTC Its that negative time stuff again! Regards, Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22487 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 10:35:38 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 10:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 19861 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Jul 2003 10:35:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 10:35:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bHiA-00089s-9k for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:34:38 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bHi6-00089j-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:34:34 +0100 Received: from dial81-135-10-198.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.135.10.198] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19bHi5-0003Gx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c34861$155315a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 11:23:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A July 11/12th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, thanks for the "plug" Markus. I think there may be one night left that could provide fair condition before the effects of the major geomag. storms on 11th and 12th kick in. The Kp index hit 6 on the 11th and 7 in the early hours of the 12th. This could set conditions back for 10 to 14 days. Having said that the path from Joe to the UK and Portugal seems fairly robust, and something of Joe's signal seems to be copiable even in poor conditions. I have no CFH plot for last night as I forgot to reconnect the mains power supply to the laptop I use for logging. The battery will not last through the night, even with the LCD screen off.....Silly Boy !! Good Work Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29263 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 10:00:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 10:00:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 534 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 10:00:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 10:00:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bH9b-0007qs-VI for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:58:55 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.163] (helo=imo-m08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bH9X-0007pI-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:58:51 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1c9.c88d9c8 (2519) for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1c9.c88d9c8.2c4135b5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:58:13 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10617 Subject: Re: LF: TA test again Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060901090308040907020506" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0tests=HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060901090308040907020506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Joe and TA-enthusiasts,

Alan was right once again: tonight's screenshot is almost "M" copy, certainly better than friday morning. The purple (ie. northerly) stuff are Luxembourg-sidebands on DCF39.

Yesterday I have reconnected the top load of my transmitting antenna, and hope to be QRV again this weekend.

73 de Markus, DF6NM
(Nuernberg, JN59NK)
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(Exim 4.14) id 19bG5r-0007JV-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:50:59 +0100 Received: from tnt-21-163.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.163] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19bG5g-000HyS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:50:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c34853$e0189a20$a3e486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:58:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TA report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090708020501010100000201" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090708020501010100000201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Joe > > Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). Your signals received at G3LDO on the morning of 12 July over a period 0040 to 0034UTC. My Argo settings set incorrectly at 10sec instead of 30sec. Only a faint signal on the earlier capture and nothing at all on the later ones. The signal lower in frequency is a Loran line. What transmitter, power and antenna system are you using Joe? 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rspgtI/KSJeOvlKf6Vhp/wAf0f4VseJP+PRPpU9QZnPqN5JaAPcOR6ZwPyqnbSv9pVt2TnvT h/x6LUVt/wAfCfWnLoBu60qmCN9q7sdQKwvtEscmUYZB4JUGt7Wf+PWL6Vzkn3z9amruOJqS axqDhY2uW2f3QAB/KnWmt6jYMxsrjyCQcmNFUn8cVnH760rfeP0NCF1Pp74Pzy3Xw90qedy8 szzvI56sxmkJP512o61w3wW/5Jtov/bb/wBHSV3I6/hXjy3ZuhaKKKQBRRRQB//Z --------------090708020501010100000201-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27535 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 08:28:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 08:28:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19988 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 08:28:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 08:28:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bFim-000790-Jr for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:27:08 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.27] (helo=iceman.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bFii-00078r-Dn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 09:27:04 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (sjm020.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.148]) by iceman.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6C7FOpf020217 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030712082422.00b3d140@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:27:08 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA test again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe, best capture was after daylight again and is at: http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/Current_Captures.htm otherwise not good. 73, Brian At 19:44 11/07/2003, you wrote: >Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). >Many thanks to all who sent signal reports and >screen captures. It seems conditions were not quite as >good as they were yesterday. > >Cheers and thanks again >Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15365 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 04:36:27 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 04:36:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25711 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2003 04:36:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2003 04:36:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19bC4Y-0005UB-Ic for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:33:22 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19bC4U-0005U2-C2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:33:18 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bC4U-0000nQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:33:18 +0200 Received: from [193.159.73.18] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19bC4T-0005T1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:33:17 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c3482e$840f5a40$fe78a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:31:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TA test again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Joe, some clear traces of your signal seen between 01.50 and 02.30 UTC with Spectran, after that a carrier from a power supply crossed my screen. Will check again tomorrow night with better adjustment of Spectran or Argo. QTH here is near Hannover, in JO52BH. What is your locator, Joe? Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Craig" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: LF: TA test again > > > Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). > Many thanks to all who sent signal reports and > screen captures. It seems conditions were not quite as > good as they were yesterday. > > Cheers and thanks again > Joe > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9806 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 18:45:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:45:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29658 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jul 2003 18:45:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:45:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19b2sr-0000yZ-QE for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:44:41 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19b2sn-0000yP-IJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:44:37 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6BIiXOp024027 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:34 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6BIiW4s016586 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:33 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h6BIiWfM005812; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:32 -0230 (NDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:14:32 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA test again Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Will be on again tonight (tomorrow morning 0000 UTC). Many thanks to all who sent signal reports and screen captures. It seems conditions were not quite as good as they were yesterday. Cheers and thanks again Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13525 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 18:12:30 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:12:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 937 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jul 2003 18:12:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:12:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19b2Mq-0000fa-SQ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:36 +0100 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19b2Mm-0000fR-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:11:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 29717 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 22:11:30 +0400 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 22:11:30 +0400 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:11:15 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <3041877432.20030711221115@dx.ru> To: "Jay Rusgrove" In-reply-to: <3F0B0678.5ED6A8D2@snet.net> References: <3F0B0678.5ED6A8D2@snet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re[2]: LF: TA Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe, See my Equipment page and etc (click "security" button "136kHz by RU6LA" ;-)) 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28798 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 18:02:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:02:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10583 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 18:02:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 18:02:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19b2De-0000U1-Dd for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:02:06 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.80] (helo=mailout01.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19b2Da-0000Tn-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:02:02 +0100 Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19b2DZ-00011B-03; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:02:01 +0200 Received: from 217.4.81.23 (VmUbe2Zfge92kwzLwXgFKTmulfwVxKioC6TjJRIJdLvqtvD+2yBKcB@[217.4.81.23]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19b2DR-0yiVXc0; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:01:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?\\=22Heinz_Bord=E9\\=22?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.111 Date: 11 Jul 2003 17:38 GMT Message-ID: <19b2DR-0yiVXc0@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: VmUbe2Zfge92kwzLwXgFKTmulfwVxKioC6TjJRIJdLvqtvD+2yBKcB Subject: Re: LF: ICOM 746 cure Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thank's Mal. I'll try it. 73, Heinz PS:The 746 is not that bed at VLf as people call it. The day before yesterday I could copy a G4 or G5 stn callig cq. The call was only too short and not repeated, so I could not copy the callsign correct "hamilton mal" schrieb: > Heinz/DM2BHG recently enquired about a cure for the inband carrier around 136 khz on his ICOM 746 > > To eliminate this carrier adjust the DISPLAY CONTRAST CTL to around 10% and BACKLIGHT CTL the same 10%. > This will move the offending carrier up HF to about 143 khz. This operation takes a couple of minutes > The IC 746 is a good sensitive LF RX on the 137 khz band with the appropriate CW FILTER installed. > 73 and gl > de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30918 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 17:59:29 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 17:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 6988 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 17:59:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 17:59:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19b2Ac-0000QU-Cr for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:58:58 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.48] (helo=mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19b2AY-0000QJ-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:58:54 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.8]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030711175853.GENX291.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:58:53 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c347cd$a64df320$08e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:58:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Craig" To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Hi Joe Will you be on tonight 11/12 th on 137.777 khz, if so I will try both the vertical and loop or both together in diversity. If you can TX/RX on 7030 khz I will also listen there. I have a 2 ele 40 metre quad pointing in your direction. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30247 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 17:30:55 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 17:30:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 11075 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jul 2003 17:30:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 17:30:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19b1ij-00007m-Ug for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:30:09 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.80] (helo=mailout01.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19b1if-00007c-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:30:05 +0100 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19b1if-0001nF-00; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:30:05 +0200 Received: from 217.4.69.141 (Tzf9mYZAgeAMiH6TV0aKotWCSKnV8pWfa13hmsFyHMRj3rdgeZ6M48@[217.4.69.141]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19b1iR-1LMIDI0; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:29:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?\\=22Heinz_Bord=E9\\=22?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.111 Date: 08 Jul 2003 16:51 GMT Message-ID: <19b1iR-1LMIDI0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: Tzf9mYZAgeAMiH6TV0aKotWCSKnV8pWfa13hmsFyHMRj3rdgeZ6M48@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: IC 746 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thank's David. schrieb: > In a message dated 7/7/03 8:31:13 PM GMT Daylight Time, > Heinz.Borde@t-online.de writes: > > > > Hi folks > > I`m preparing for 137. Antenna with loading coils an variometer has been > > finished and a 137 kHz VFO too. Amp is under construction. > > Problems come from RX. I would like to use my IC 746. But I notice a > > strong carrier at abt 135 kHz, coming out of the TRX itself. I could work > > it down by using the facilities of the 746, but on 139 kHz I have the > > 59+20dB signal from Frankfurt..... > > So my question: has somebody experiencies in how to get rid of that > > carrier at abt. 135 kHz ? > > > > Unfortunately the carrier on 135 (ish) is a mixing product created within the > radio.- Hence you should hear it without an antenna connected. I've not > 'found a cure.' > > 73 > > David G0MRF www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5421 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 15:58:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 15:58:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5212 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jul 2003 15:58:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 15:58:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19b0GT-0007nF-PQ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:56:53 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19b0GP-0007n6-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:56:49 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19b0GK-0001As-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:56:44 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19b0GI-00011W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:56:42 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030711163012.02ab1230@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:56:40 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Field strength calcs. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040005070607060700070708" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,PENIS_ENLARGE2version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040005070607060700070708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 14:54 08/07/2003 +0200, you wrote: >I think 2km is not quite enough at 73kHz. I calculated the total field >over perfect ground at 2km distance by means of a antenna simulation >program. I found E/H = 342 ohm. In the far field E/H ought to be 377 >ohm (= 120.pi ohm). So apparently at 2km the near field is not yet small >enough to be negligible. > >I found that even at 137kHz measurements were inconsistent at 2km so I >changed to over 4km. Dear Dick, LF Group, When I was doing my field-strength measurement experiments, one result was to plot ERP calculated from field strength against measuring distance, with the idea of finding how far away it was necessary to be to get far-field conditions. The plots are shown in the attached file - the upper one is for 136k, the lower one for 72k. You can see from the plots that effective ERP increases at short distances , but once you reach distances > 1km, ERP becomes more or less independent of distance. There is also a "scatter" in values of ERP of about +/-3dB; this looks like random errors or noise in the measurement, but is not - returning to the same measurement site gives exactly the same "error" each time, so these variations are a property of the measuring site DF6NM made some interesting plots of the data at short distances, which showed that these values conform fairly well to what you would expect theoretically from a short monopole in the near field. In practice, there seems to be more possibilities for error with measurements at short distances; for example, I found at some positions within 2km of my QTH where the ERP was several dB higher than anywhere else - they turned out to be close to the overhead phone line to my house, which runs quite near the antenna and appears to act as a rather inefficient transmission line, with a detectable standing wave pattern at 136k. Also at short distances, there are usually fewer suitable measuring sites available. At greater distances, there are fewer problems like this, but things like overhead power lines, steel road bridges and large buildings may have a significant effect on the measured field strength. I eliminated from the graphs all points where I could find an obvious reason for suspicion, but as you can see, there is still significant variation between different measuring sites. This means it is necessary to make several measurements at different sites in order to get an accurate idea of the ERP. Dick's calculation indicates that the H field is increased by about 1dB relative to the E field at 2km on 73kHz - but if this effect is present in my data, it is swamped by other sources of variation. 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Hi Joe
See clip of your signal earlier this morning 0157 utc. I have several shots but too big for the reflector. Hpe this small attachment makes it hi.  Distance between our QTH'S  about 4343 kms
 
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some traces of VO1NA again between 2:30 and 3:30, but much fainter and shorter than the night before. CFH was visible from 0:50 to 3:40, with a maximum of only ~15dB SNR around 2:30 UT.

73 de Markus, DF6NM
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X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:42:56 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: References: <005301c34726$11e3ffb0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Joe, LF Group, Your signals seen here between about 0100 and 0400 utc, following the same pattern as previous nights. QRN had died down a bit, although the Luxembourg effect noises were still there. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29136 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 08:04:07 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 08:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 4833 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jul 2003 08:04:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 08:04:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19assO-0003ES-Bm for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:03:32 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19assK-0003EI-Bl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:03:28 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.199]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030711080327.MEBP5914.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:03:27 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c3477a$787f59a0$c7e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:02:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Joe and all
 
I decided to stay up last night and look for you on 137.777 khz.
 
Your signal became visible about 0155 utc sending VO1NA, solid 000 copy here, duration 0155/0212. I took a couple of shots for verification and will send you a copy direct if required. Your signal was last observed at 0456 utc, still OOO copy.
I was using my vertical antenna  I could probably have copied your signal at a higher speed say 3 or 10 sec dot.
If you can work 7030 khz cw for talk back at the same time as your are transmitting on LF we could try different speeds and also have a two way QSO on 136 khz.
VE1ZJ/John was able to copy me a while back on 137 khz at QRS 3, solid copy.
73 and GL de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/IO94SH
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27976 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 08:04:05 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 08:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 4683 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jul 2003 08:04:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 08:04:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19assT-0003Ef-7x for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:03:37 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.148] (helo=zinc.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19assP-0003EW-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:03:33 +0100 Received: from dial81-131-210-146.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.131.210.146] helo=Main) by zinc.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19assO-0004TT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:03:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c34782$d44ad360$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:02:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A July 10/11th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, after a couple of "good nights", last night did not show up so well at my location. Levels from CFH were down and there was some deep fading. Brian's plot of the shorter path to DCF39 also shows evidence of absorption still around in the D-layer. I expect this to be a minor set back and hope that conditions will generally improve over the next couple of nights. The Kp index has stayed relatively low for a while now. We are about 12 days out from the last geomag. storm (Kp=6) so most of the effects has died away. Experience suggests that the best nights are around this time somewhere around 14 days after the storm. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm for todays prop. report From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1033 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 07:46:54 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 07:46:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15198 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jul 2003 07:46:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 07:46:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19asaV-00030S-UK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:45:03 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19asaR-00030H-Vc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:45:00 +0100 Received: from host217-39-4-249.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.4.249] helo=dellboy) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19asaR-0006l2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:44:59 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c34780$8e47ec10$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:46:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: VO1NA 11 July Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe and all. Something went pear-shaped last night, no grabs between 0030 and 0720. Presumably the internet connection went down..? Although why Snagit failed to save the local copy I don't know! Sorry about that. Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19642 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 22:56:07 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 22:56:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 15046 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jul 2003 22:56:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 22:56:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19akKE-0007wo-9X for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:55:42 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.148] (helo=zinc.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19akKA-0007wf-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:55:38 +0100 Received: from host217-39-4-249.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.4.249] helo=dellboy) by zinc.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19akK9-0005l9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:55:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c34736$92ff5940$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:57:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false OK Joe. It's on! http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ Dave G3YXM. > Sorry Dave (and the group) > I'll be on again tonight starting at 0000 11 July UTC > which is 9:30 local time. At that time, it's almost > completely dark here. 137.7770 +- 0.0002 kHz and any > additional Pegelsender QRI, dot 30. > > Thank-you in advance for any QSX. Looking forward to > checking the grabber. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31497 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 22:33:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 22:33:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19819 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jul 2003 22:33:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 22:33:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ajxh-0007gy-3b for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:32:25 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ajxc-0007gp-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:32:21 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6AMWGOp013319 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:02:17 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h6AMW94s025532 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:02:16 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h6AMW9Rx008471; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:02:09 -0230 (NDT) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:02:09 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <005301c34726$11e3ffb0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sorry Dave (and the group) I'll be on again tonight starting at 0000 11 July UTC which is 9:30 local time. At that time, it's almost completely dark here. 137.7770 +- 0.0002 kHz and any additional Pegelsender QRI, dot 30. Thank-you in advance for any QSX. Looking forward to checking the grabber. Cheers Joe On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Dave Pick wrote: > Is Joe going to be on tonight? > > If I had known he was going to be on last night I'd have run the grabber. > > 73 > Dave > G3YXM. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 > > > > Dear Joe, LF Group, > > > > Quite good reception of VO1NA last night, following a similar pattern to > > previous nights with best SNR just before dawn. There was somewhat greater > > QRN than the previous 2 nights, and the "Luxembourg effect" noises were > > present again also. Noise levels were still well down compared to June > here. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31267 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 20:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (192.168.225.71) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 20:58:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 10100 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jul 2003 20:58:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 20:58:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aiTr-00072s-Tg for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:57:31 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aiTo-00072j-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:57:28 +0100 Received: from host217-39-4-249.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.4.249] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19aiTn-00036q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:57:27 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c34726$11e3ffb0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030710092348.00b39100@pop.vianw.pt> <5.1.0.14.0.20030710163553.00aca9b0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:58:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Is Joe going to be on tonight? If I had known he was going to be on last night I'd have run the grabber. 73 Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 > Dear Joe, LF Group, > > Quite good reception of VO1NA last night, following a similar pattern to > previous nights with best SNR just before dawn. There was somewhat greater > QRN than the previous 2 nights, and the "Luxembourg effect" noises were > present again also. Noise levels were still well down compared to June here. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15940 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 17:06:08 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys.services.quay.plus.net) (192.168.226.70) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 17:06:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 19679 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 15:49:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 15:49:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19adef-0004fn-Ac for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:48:21 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19adeb-0004fe-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:48:17 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19adeC-00019V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:47:52 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19adeB-0001Yx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:47:51 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030710163553.00aca9b0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:47:49 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001e01c346d6$123c6740$6507a8c0@Main> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030710092348.00b39100@pop.vianw.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Joe, LF Group, Quite good reception of VO1NA last night, following a similar pattern to previous nights with best SNR just before dawn. There was somewhat greater QRN than the previous 2 nights, and the "Luxembourg effect" noises were present again also. Noise levels were still well down compared to June here. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1612 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 11:27:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) (192.168.225.71) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 11:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4783 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jul 2003 11:27:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 11:27:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aZZb-0002HM-Mu for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:26:51 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aZZX-0002HD-JU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:26:47 +0100 Received: from host213-122-202-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.202.109] helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19aZZW-0003cn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:26:47 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c346d6$123c6740$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030710092348.00b39100@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:26:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, very interesting plots from Brian. The best times will be very dependent on exact location since the peaks are due I believe to constructive interference. This could be totally different as little at 30 to 50kms apart. My plot of CFH for 8/9th was better than 7/8th by some margin, but remember CFH is further away that VO1NA (at least fron UK) Unfortunately no plot for last night. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rogerson" To: Sent: 10 July 2003 10:02 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 > Dear Joe, Markus, Jim and all, > > I was surprised when Jim said that his best reception was on the morning of > the 8th as my > best reception was undoubtedly on the morning of the 9th. Virtually all > the transmission was > at "O" until 05:00utc. This morning I received only two full call > signs. Out of interest I have > plotted DCF and CFH for 8-9 and 9-10, unfortunately nothing for 7-8 as my > logging computer > crashed. I have included the graph with the Argos of the two full call > signs which I think were > received later than those received by Markus. Certainly there are deep > nulls for the night > of 9-10 whereas none for the night of 8-9. The Argos and graph are on > > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/VO1NA.htm > > Time on Argo utc+1, on graph is utc, sorry the axes are not annotated this > but was thrown > together in a hurry. > > 73, Brian CT1DRP > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24160 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 10:04:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) (192.168.225.73) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 10:04:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5644 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jul 2003 10:04:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 10:04:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aYGF-0001S6-P4 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:02:47 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.27] (helo=iceman.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aYGB-0001Rx-Io for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:02:43 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (sjm042.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.170]) by iceman.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6A8oZAH026927 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:51:08 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030710092348.00b39100@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:02:17 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: <69.3a39b809.2c3e65ff@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Joe, Markus, Jim and all, I was surprised when Jim said that his best reception was on the morning of the 8th as my best reception was undoubtedly on the morning of the 9th. Virtually all the transmission was at "O" until 05:00utc. This morning I received only two full call signs. Out of interest I have plotted DCF and CFH for 8-9 and 9-10, unfortunately nothing for 7-8 as my logging computer crashed. I have included the graph with the Argos of the two full call signs which I think were received later than those received by Markus. Certainly there are deep nulls for the night of 9-10 whereas none for the night of 8-9. The Argos and graph are on http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/VO1NA.htm Time on Argo utc+1, on graph is utc, sorry the axes are not annotated this but was thrown together in a hurry. 73, Brian CT1DRP At 07:47 10/07/2003, you wrote: >Joe, > >excellent: This night turned out much better, with two complete callsigns >received in Nuernberg ;-). QRN had decayed around 23:00 UT, and the first >faint trace appeared at 0:46. The screenshot below ranges from 1:30 to >3:00 and is 1Hz high. CFH had a fairly flat maximum in the same interval. > >73, and many thanks for the effort > >Markus >DF6NM in JN59NK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21079 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 06:49:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 06:49:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12233 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 06:49:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 06:49:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aVDq-000892-4c for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:48:06 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.6] (helo=imo-m03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aVDl-00088t-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:48:01 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.69.3a39b809 (4320) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <69.3a39b809.2c3e65ff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:47:27 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10617 Subject: LF: VO1NA July 10 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010603010002070803050302" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0tests=HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010603010002070803050302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joe,

excellent: This night turned out much better, with two complete callsigns received in Nuernberg ;-). QRN had decayed around 23:00 UT, and the first faint trace appeared at 0:46. The screenshot below ranges from 1:30 to 3:00 and is 1Hz high. CFH had a fairly flat maximum in the same interval.

73, and many thanks for the effort

Markus
DF6NM in JN59NK
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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9309 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 00:27:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2003 00:27:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aPGU-0005Vv-In for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:26:26 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.104] (helo=imo-r08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aPGQ-0005Vl-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 01:26:22 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.67.14acd1a3 (3988) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:25:49 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <67.14acd1a3.2c3e0c8c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:25:48 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 50 Subject: Re: LF: GBR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Geri, Steve and group,

Thanks for the nice info !

Just played "Tubular Bells" from CD through a (software) VLF receiver which was originally made to listen to SAQ. I was amazed by the quality, "VVV VVV VVV GBR GBR GBR = ALFA = ..", clearly audible when downconverted to 800Hz with a low audio bandwidth. The CW is partly garbled as some parts are dubbed over and over. Fine copy on GBR in  (FSK-) RTTY, 15 minutes after the begin of the track.
Any Mike Oldfield / CW fan with a selective level meter may be able to try this !

Interestingly, the audio pitch is different between  "Part One" and "Part Two" so maybe the master tape's motor speed control has suffered a bit .. or did GBR drift by 30 Hz between the  recording sessions...

Anyway, a funny experiment. Nice to know that CW on VLF will live forever, at least in my music archive. Hope they didn't punch military secrets in vinyl in the good old days !

Regards,
Wolf  DL4YHF.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11416 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 22:53:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 22:53:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 16537 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 22:53:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 22:53:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aNnX-0004s7-ND for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:52:27 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aNnT-0004rv-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:52:23 +0100 Received: from tnt-18-45.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.45] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19aNnS-000BfL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:52:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c3466d$e8c96c40$2de086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c34648$df53b320$6c1686d4@captbrian> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:58:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bryan > > Is 24in wide 24 ft. long [inside the ridge of my roof } of aluminium foil > tacked to the rafters not better as a top capacity than 100ft of top-wire > down the garden ?. Don't even think about it if you are considering transmitting. The voltages at the top end of a loading coil at LF are very high, even at modest power levels. Several of us have experienced fires or arcing with LF antennas for one reason or another. A loft is a bad place to have a conflagration. A loft or attic loading coil system feeding an external antenna can work fine provided it is well engineered, see the I5TGC antenna system in the LF Handbook. > Either way I am stuck with 24' vertical but my > top-loading coil and feed point and capacity can be inside the attic. > > I thought that at LF, losses through brickwork were so slight that it > wouldn't matter that the vertical was almost touching brickwork at endwall > of house For dry brickwork that is probably true > As a separate matter does anyone know a site that gives figures for > attenuation of sigs from an attic antenna at various frequencies ?? HF/VHF At HF most lofts are fine. I did live in one old house where the slated roof caused considerable attenuation but I don't know where these slates came from. Modern tiles all seem OK. Regards, Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19788 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:39:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:39:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10647 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:39:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:39:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aMe0-0004J7-6i for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:38:32 +0100 Received: from [204.127.198.39] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aMdv-0004Iy-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:38:27 +0100 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp01445904pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[68.83.65.211](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20030709213734015008rt45e>; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 21:37:34 +0000 From: "Steve Dove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:33:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Organization: d s p In-reply-to: <200307090629_MC3-1-4198-8555@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 Subject: Re: LF: GBR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Geri, Fell about laughing . . . "Tubular Bells" (and many, many other records) were done at "The Manor", a converted country mansion residential studio owned by Herr (What cheque?) Branson in the wilds of central Oxfordshire, not very far away (<50km?) from GBR. "Bells" was if not the first, very close to the first, record made there; in younger spottier days I worked for the company that built the mixer. The studio was in the shambolic throes of construction, gear heaped everywhere, if you could negotiate around the resident and nosey Great Danes. Ground loops everywhere. It certainly wouldn't have been impossible for GBR to have got in, although it should have been noticed, assuming they hadn't all driven themselves HF deaf or were otherwise insensible (it WAS the early seventies . . .). The monitors likely went that high. It may even have been deliberate (at least on that record); they were, um, an unconventional bunch. If it is there in isolation for any length of time before the first drop, then it was almost certainly deliberate; tops and tails are not cut by accident. Agreed, guitar pickups would seem the most likely source (and guitar effects 'toys' were hideous back then, too), except for the fact that guitar/amplifier combinations are so damn noisy that they are nearly always muted or gated out of the mix until they're absolutely required, and certainly not left open at a track front, especially not on a piece as dynamic as "Bells". Hammond organs were bad for RFI, as were the earlier generations of electronic keyboards, but again they were typically pre-muted too. The recorders and mixer would be pretty blameless (of course); oddly enough, microphones not so - the old Neumanns with glowing things in them were prone to funnies if the big fat connector shells were not periodically undone-retightened both ends, and dynamic mics which require a lot more front-end gain than condensors could be iffy if the connections weren't perfect. At home (again, in Oxfordshire), the turntable pickup would hear it if the volume were cranked up to completely devastating levels (usual). Bad combination: high impedance AND high gain. A finger on any live input would bring it in nicely too, along with 50Hz. It was a sad day when they went FSK. Not quite as sad as going away though. Cheers, Steve http://www.w3eee.com 7/9/2003 6:28:59 AM, "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" wrote: >Hi LF-Group, > >talking about GBR, have a look at > > http://www.stormloader.com/gkircher/vlfcd/ > >On this website you can find a spectrogram and some theoretical >considerations how the transmissions of GBR were accidently recorded on >records and CDs, mainly due to insufficient shielding of the studio >recording equipment. > >Best 73 > >Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5725 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:14:47 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:14:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 8568 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:14:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:14:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aMFz-00048r-3Q for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:13:43 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.81] (helo=mailout03.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aMFv-00048i-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:13:39 +0100 Received: from fwd02.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19aMFu-0004YC-02; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 23:13:38 +0200 Received: from (XHj12ZZTQekHd3mTWndKKwO++pKAuPKC66vQQK467ZMiFq668Uc7r3@[62.158.13.75]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19aMFc-1ED1NI0; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:13:20 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:13:20 +0200 Message-ID: <19aMFc-1ED1NI0@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Seen: false X-ID: XHj12ZZTQekHd3mTWndKKwO++pKAuPKC66vQQK467ZMiFq668Uc7r3@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080201040503010606070209" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080201040503010606070209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joe Craig schrieb: > VO1NA will be transmitting QRSS30 on 137.777 kHz +-.2 Hz from > 0000Z to 0090Z on 08 July. > > I'll be happy to receive any signal reports. > > Cheers > Joe > > Hi Joe, ok here is the report from dj8wx/jo43sv, see attached SpecLab shot. regards Uwe 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AUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFF FFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQ AUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFF FFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQ AUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFF FFAH/9k= --------------080201040503010606070209-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10396 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 21:03:25 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:03:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22064 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 21:03:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 21:03:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aM50-0003xL-K5 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:02:22 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.6] (helo=imo-m03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aM4w-0003xC-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 22:02:18 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.14d.2164c1a3 (24895) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <14d.2164c1a3.2c3ddcb8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:01:44 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10617 Subject: LF: VO1NA: Traces in Germany Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0tests=HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Joe and all,

last night I could see a few traces of your signal here in Southeast Germany. Not much, not anything like a complete callsign, but a couple of blue dashes on the right frequency (+0.07Hz?) and from the right direction - perhaps a hint of an "O" at 02:06 and a "V" half an hour later. I pasted it along with my trace of CFH and Steve's DCF39 plot on   http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/VO1NAJul9.jpg 

Actually its astonishing how little I am seeing here, compared to the splendid reception in CT or G; it made me wonder if the extra 800km actually do need another hop. At the time, many nights of gazing at what should have been VE1ZZ or VA1LK didn't produce anything more real either.

Will you be "on the road" again tonight?

73 es good luck

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26602 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 19:12:26 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 19:12:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 21025 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 19:12:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 19:12:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aKM6-00034T-UP for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:11:54 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aKM1-00034K-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:11:49 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.179]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030709191147.NXYM13147.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c34645$7f5572e0$b3cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:10:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ICOM 746 cure Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Heinz/DM2BHG recently enquired about a cure for the inband carrier around 136 khz on his ICOM 746
 
To eliminate this carrier adjust the DISPLAY CONTRAST CTL to around 10% and BACKLIGHT CTL the same 10%.
This will move the offending carrier up HF to about 143 khz. This operation takes a couple of minutes
The IC 746 is a good sensitive LF RX on the 137 khz band with the appropriate CW FILTER installed.
73 and gl
de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13204 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 18:35:34 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 18:35:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 23227 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 18:35:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aJlj-0002mE-WE for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:34:19 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aJlg-0002m3-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:34:16 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-108.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.108] helo=captbrian) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19aJle-000Kyh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:34:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c34648$df53b320$6c1686d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 19:15:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thanks for all this ... Three more then I'm away to S.Wales for a few days 2m mobile only down the M4 Is 24in wide 24 ft. long [inside the ridge of my roof } of aluminium foil tacked to the rafters not better as a top capacity than 100ft of top-wire down the garden ?. Either way I am stuck with 24' vertical but my top-loading coil and feed point and capacity can be inside the attic. I thought that at LF, losses through brickwork were so slight that it wouldn't matter that the vertical was almost touching brickwork at endwall of house ??. If it's temperamental rhododendrons tho' ????.... As a separate matter does anyone know a site that gives figures for attenuation of sigs from an attic antenna at various frequencies ?? HF/VHF Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 09 July 2003 15:52 Subject: LF: Re: Re: re Earth losses >Hi Bryan re1) You will get this.....ask any patent seeker. > 2) it supplemented the mains earth and a couple of >spikes...NB connecting the mains earth made a lot of difference. However >Finbar has an underground armoured to a pole and transformer, and I guess >there is quite a good earth at the pole to protect the transformer. His >counterpoise had this effect as he already had about 1000pF or top-load wire >out (5 wires) Hence my preference in 3 of topwires before counterpoise. I >also believe from the article that Peter quoted in the Handbook that there >is an advantage to earthing the remote end of the counterpoise if it is >under a top-wire. I have no independent tests to confirm that yet. > 3) difficult it probably depends on a lot of local factors, >but personally I would put two in the air. Top load can be fan or zig-zag, >and can be relatively light gauge wire as it carries less current, and not >really "radiating current" (that may be contentious) > > I hope that helps a bit. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia@btinternet.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "captbrian" >To: >Sent: 09 July 2003 15:02 >Subject: LF: Re: re Earth losses > > >> 1) every time I have a good idea some other B(oy) thought of it first. >> >> 2) Did Finbar's wire replace or supplement the real earth? >> >> 3) If you only had a given amount of wire for the horizontal , would you >> put: >> >> One in the sky and one underneath it near ground >> >> OR >> >> Two in the sky. and a ground rod. >> >> Bryan > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4657 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 16:32:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 23767 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 16:32:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 16:32:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aHrT-0001sA-1B for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:32:07 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aHrO-0001s1-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:32:02 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19aHqE-0003yP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:30:50 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19aHqD-0004Ff-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:30:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030709163617.00aa8e90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:29:23 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000401c34628$cb8da640$6507a8c0@Main> References: <002001c34622$caa13220$80c828c3@captbrian> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Bryan, LF Group, The ground here is a heavy clay, that remains pretty wet all year round, so I imagine fairly high conductivity. The usual ground system I use with my antenna (40m long single inverted L wire abt 10m high) is 6 x 1m long ground rods, distributed over a few m radius around the antenna feed point. This arrangement has a loss resistance of about 36 ohms. Using just a single ground rod increased this to 56 ohms, so I estimate the resistance of each rod is about 20 ohms. I have tried several larger arrays of ground rods (it is then necessary to make arrangements to equalise the currents in the ground rods) - but the best result I have achieved so far was to reduce the loss resistance to 33 ohms - so a point of diminishing returns is quickly reached. I also tried a counterpoise system; covering the whole available area (about 50m x 12m) in counterpoise wires about 2m off the ground and 1.5m apart. The best result with this system was to reduce the loss resistance also by about 10%. I think a counterpoise works in two ways - firstly, it acts as a large area, capacitive ground connection. but as the ground rod experiments showed, this does not seem to make a lot of difference. Also, it acts as a screen between the antenna and the actual ground, which prevents the electric field of the antenna reaching the lossy dielectric of the soil, and provides a metallic return circuit for the ground return currents. But for me, and I imagine most other amateurs, the available area for a counterpoise is much too small to intercept a large proportion of the field of the antenna. so it has a limited effect. The same kind of argument would apply to buried radials. It seems to me that the majority of loss in small amateur LF antennas is caused by dielectric losses, partly in objects around the antenna like buildings and trees, and partly in the ground itself under the antenna. This is bourne out by measurements which show that loss resistance falls with increasing frequency - as the frequency gets higher, the antenna reactance decreases, therefore the antenna voltage for a given current decreases, and so the electric field and the dielectric losses. This would also explain why increasing the amount of wire in the air reduces the loss - also increasing the height has a similar effect. The weather conditions have a substantial effect on loss resistance - a period of rain gives about 25% increase in loss resistance, icy weather about 15% reduction. From a practical point of view, beyond some minimum amount of ground system, there is little to be gained by extending the ground system further - the best I could get was about 0.5dB increase in radiated power. In my circumstances, there is little to be gained by having more than the original 6 rods - allthough I suspect this would be different in areas of low ground conductivity. Any benefits are swamped by day-to-day weather changes. On the other hand, the height of the antenna has much more impact. putting a 13m high pole under the middle of the span of wire, making it into an inverted V shape gives an immediate 3-4dB improvement in ERP. I reckon the best improvement to be had from all the ground system mods is worth about the same as a 0.5m height increase of the antenna wire. So the first priority must be to get the antenna as high as possible, even if this means less wire in the air. The trouble is the neighbors don't like it... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9134 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 16:20:54 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 16:20:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13223 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 16:20:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 16:20:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aHfO-0001hT-6A for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:19:38 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aHfK-0001hK-DF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:19:34 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19aHfJ-000OPz-0V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:19:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4OokSGAMJDD$MwaD@telemetry.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:18:36 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" In-reply-to: <000a01c34602$0ffca3c0$791999c2@k7t> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Subject: Re: LF: GBR X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Most interesting Walter. My first job on leaving school in 1961 was at AEI Rugby and I well remember hearing GBR on all the local telephones - not sure my ears would respond to 16 KHz now! 73, Tom G3OLB. >, Walter Blanchard writes >Those of you who visited Rugby (and even others) might find the flg short clip >interesting. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24056 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 14:47:46 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 14:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 15751 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 14:47:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 14:47:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aGDB-0000xp-FJ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:46:25 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aGD7-0000xg-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:46:21 +0100 Received: from host213-122-76-120.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.76.120] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19aGD6-00077a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:46:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c34628$cb8da640$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c34622$caa13220$80c828c3@captbrian> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:44:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: re Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Bryan re1) You will get this.....ask any patent seeker. 2) it supplemented the mains earth and a couple of spikes...NB connecting the mains earth made a lot of difference. However Finbar has an underground armoured to a pole and transformer, and I guess there is quite a good earth at the pole to protect the transformer. His counterpoise had this effect as he already had about 1000pF or top-load wire out (5 wires) Hence my preference in 3 of topwires before counterpoise. I also believe from the article that Peter quoted in the Handbook that there is an advantage to earthing the remote end of the counterpoise if it is under a top-wire. I have no independent tests to confirm that yet. 3) difficult it probably depends on a lot of local factors, but personally I would put two in the air. Top load can be fan or zig-zag, and can be relatively light gauge wire as it carries less current, and not really "radiating current" (that may be contentious) I hope that helps a bit. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: 09 July 2003 15:02 Subject: LF: Re: re Earth losses > 1) every time I have a good idea some other B(oy) thought of it first. > > 2) Did Finbar's wire replace or supplement the real earth? > > 3) If you only had a given amount of wire for the horizontal , would you > put: > > One in the sky and one underneath it near ground > > OR > > Two in the sky. and a ground rod. > > Bryan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29897 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 14:02:26 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 14:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 22025 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 14:02:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 14:02:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aFVx-0000aT-7i for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:01:45 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aFVt-0000ZL-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:01:41 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-128.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.128] helo=captbrian) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19aFVr-00061B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:01:39 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c34622$caa13220$80c828c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:02:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: re Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false 1) every time I have a good idea some other B(oy) thought of it first. 2) Did Finbar's wire replace or supplement the real earth? 3) If you only had a given amount of wire for the horizontal , would you put: One in the sky and one underneath it near ground OR Two in the sky. and a ground rod. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Alan Melia To: LF-Group Date: 09 July 2003 14:20 Subject: LF: re Earth losses >Hi Bryan and all, I agree with all that has been said so far about earth >losses. One difficulty is that with amateur sized plots we all have slightly >different circumstances to overcome. To some extent we have to find out own >particular "best solution" > >My own findings are that there is a limit with necessarily short >counterpoise wires to the reduction in loss gained. ( A 100 foot "radial" on >136 is like putting out 4 foot radial wires on 80m and expecting an >improvement!!). To some extent this depends on the local soil conductivity. >It is no use doing measurements at 50Hz or even DC as the result will be >toally different at 136kHz. Plots on my web site show how the loss varies >with the measurement frequency. I have suggested a simple bridge for the >measurement on my web site. I have found that a proper measurement is the >best way to avoid unnecessary hard work.....I am a comfirmed lazy B(oy). I >find it best (and easiest) to measure the wire alone (not resonated) ...you >can quickly see the result of any change of configuration. > >However, when you find extra rods or counterpoise wires are not giving any >further advantage (usually very quickly) there are other unexpected things >you can do. The best was popularised by Laurie G3AQC....put more wire in the >air. This can be by paralleling extra top wires or just extending the ends >to " cover new ground". This obviously increases the aerial capacity but >with an "L" configuration it reduces the loss resistance considerably. A >dipole of the sort you describe will probably measre out at about 200 to 250 >pF. If you double the wires with a spacing of at least 2 feet you will see >the capcaity rise to about 450 to 500 pF. This has two effects, most >obviuosly it reduces the size of the inductor required for loading >(resonating), but secondly it will most probably half the ground loss. This >is not effective unless the top wire is over relatively open ground. As >Laurie has found extending a wire over lush Rhododendrons actually increases >the loss. My tests with Finbar suggested that doubling the capacity, halves >the loss. > >Recent tests at Malin where Finbar has retuned his "umbrella" to 136 again, >showed very poor aerial current levels initially. He achieved a considerable >increase in aerial current by running out an insulated "counterpoise" wire >under the top load (5) wires. The aerial configuration is described in my >web site. Note also that he is almost on the sea shore. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia@btinternet.com >http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13277 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 13:14:47 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 13:14:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 22937 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 13:14:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 13:14:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aElT-0000Aw-5G for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:13:43 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aElP-0000An-1Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:13:39 +0100 Received: from dial81-135-69-90.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.135.69.90] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19aElN-0003rl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:13:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c3461b$d6a7fa60$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:20:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Bryan and all, I agree with all that has been said so far about earth losses. One difficulty is that with amateur sized plots we all have slightly different circumstances to overcome. To some extent we have to find out own particular "best solution" My own findings are that there is a limit with necessarily short counterpoise wires to the reduction in loss gained. ( A 100 foot "radial" on 136 is like putting out 4 foot radial wires on 80m and expecting an improvement!!). To some extent this depends on the local soil conductivity. It is no use doing measurements at 50Hz or even DC as the result will be toally different at 136kHz. Plots on my web site show how the loss varies with the measurement frequency. I have suggested a simple bridge for the measurement on my web site. I have found that a proper measurement is the best way to avoid unnecessary hard work.....I am a comfirmed lazy B(oy). I find it best (and easiest) to measure the wire alone (not resonated) ...you can quickly see the result of any change of configuration. However, when you find extra rods or counterpoise wires are not giving any further advantage (usually very quickly) there are other unexpected things you can do. The best was popularised by Laurie G3AQC....put more wire in the air. This can be by paralleling extra top wires or just extending the ends to " cover new ground". This obviously increases the aerial capacity but with an "L" configuration it reduces the loss resistance considerably. A dipole of the sort you describe will probably measre out at about 200 to 250 pF. If you double the wires with a spacing of at least 2 feet you will see the capcaity rise to about 450 to 500 pF. This has two effects, most obviuosly it reduces the size of the inductor required for loading (resonating), but secondly it will most probably half the ground loss. This is not effective unless the top wire is over relatively open ground. As Laurie has found extending a wire over lush Rhododendrons actually increases the loss. My tests with Finbar suggested that doubling the capacity, halves the loss. Recent tests at Malin where Finbar has retuned his "umbrella" to 136 again, showed very poor aerial current levels initially. He achieved a considerable increase in aerial current by running out an insulated "counterpoise" wire under the top load (5) wires. The aerial configuration is described in my web site. Note also that he is almost on the sea shore. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7374 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 10:34:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 10:34:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 1930 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 10:34:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 10:34:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aCHZ-0007Hg-W9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:34:41 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aCHW-0007HU-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:34:38 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19aCHA-0006Ms-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:34:16 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19aCHA-00071L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:34:16 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030709110613.00b0f708@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:34:14 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <00a101c3457a$f8ad75f0$1a00900a@shack> References: <3F0B0678.5ED6A8D2@snet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: RE: LF: TA Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Joe, LF Group, Good copy of VO1NA last night, but not as good as the night before (8th), when apart from a couple of fades, Joe's signal was "O" copy from about 0100 to 0330utc. Last night there seemed to be intense "Luxembourg effect " QRM, which faded out along with several other spectral lines in the display abruptly at about 0220, presumably because the sun was rising over the relevant parts of the ionosphere. This was followed by about an hour or so of excellent copy, until some time after dawn at my QTH. Conditions over the VO1/G path seem much better than they were during June; apart from the quieter geomagnetic conditions, the level of QRN has been much lower for the last 2 nights. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21283 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 10:30:22 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 10:30:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4651 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 10:30:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 10:30:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aCCv-0007Da-Jf for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:29:53 +0100 Received: from [149.174.40.136] (helo=siaag2af.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aCCr-0007DQ-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:29:49 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2af.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-2.7) id h69ATDlX006584 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 06:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 06:28:59 -0400 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200307090629_MC3-1-4198-8555@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: LF: GBR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi LF-Group, talking about GBR, have a look at http://www.stormloader.com/gkircher/vlfcd/ On this website you can find a spectrogram and some theoretical considerations how the transmissions of GBR were accidently recorded on records and CDs, mainly due to insufficient shielding of the studio recording equipment. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22624 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 10:09:46 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 10:09:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 1363 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 10:09:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 10:09:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aBrs-0006zR-6R for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:08:08 +0100 Received: from [195.224.180.233] (helo=olympus.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aBrn-0006zI-J6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 11:08:03 +0100 Received: from k7t (121.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.net [194.153.25.121]) by olympus.pncl.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.7) with SMTP id h699EwAS025055 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:14:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c34602$0ffca3c0$791999c2@k7t> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 11:07:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.1, required 5,BAYES_60) X-MailScanner-SpamScore: s Subject: LF: GBR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Those of you who visited Rugby (and even others) might find the flg short clip interesting.
It comes from the "Friends of the Submarine" organisation magazine.
Interesting theory on the effect of magnetism on ground waves!
Walter G3JKV.
 
Rugby Wireless Station (GBR)
By John Belton-Perkin
 
What, you may ask, has Rugby got to do with the Royal Navy Submarine Service? Is it because the game of Rugby was first played here? Is it for the famous Rugby Private School? Or is it possibly the famous Rugby Football Museum? The answer is none of these things. Let me test your memory. Have you ever heard a conversation similar to this?
 
"Captain, Wireless Office. Fifteen minutes to the next routine."
"Captain, roger. How many have we missed so far?"
"If we miss this one, that will make three. Therefore we must read the next one, which is at 0800, and it will be daylight."
"Captain, roger. We will come up for this one. Let me know when it is readable."
'WIT, roger."
 
"Officer of the Watch, Captain. Come up to periscope depth and point roughly towards England."
"Officer of the Watch Sir. Roger. Steer 320, 60 feet."
 
A few minutes later:
"Captain, W/T. Broadcast readable, strength 3. Traffic list indicates no new messages. Routine complete."
"Captain, roger. Officer of the Watch, take us back down to 150 feet."
"Officer of the Watch, roger."
 
This conversation took place in many conventional submarines, (but of the nuclear boats I have no knowledge). Why point towards England? Well, the loop aerial of conventional submarines, (in particular S, T and A Class submarines, some of which still had a gun and a 'jumping wire' from the periscope standards to the bow,) was fitted to this wire. Pointing the submarine towards the transmitter would improve wireless reception.
 
On every occasion that a submarine was at sea she would copy the Rugby Broadcast. If she were running in local waters, she would be in contact with the depot ship, but would also copy the broadcast in case of emergencies. The Rugby transmitter could be received over vast distances. I can remember reading it down to a depth of 60 feet in the eastern Mediterranean, during the Suez Crisis. How was this possible when radio waves do not pass through water? Well, on this occasion they did. Messages from Rugby were broadcast on a very low frequency, some 16 kHz, and with tremendous power output from the transmitter, some 350 kW. At that frequency, the Sky Wave would be minimal, but the Ground Wave extremely long; and, because of magnetism of the earth, the Ground Wave would be drawn towards the earths centre, thereby making it readable under water.
 
After the First World War, communication technology became extremely important, not just for the military, but in every day life also. The government of the day decided that the best way to communicate with various parts of the Empire was via telegraph stations. On the 5th March 1923, it was announced in the House of Commons that such a station was to be built at Rugby. The site was selected by the General Post Office because of its ideal location: a former WW1 airfield with a very high water table, suitable for making good earthing arrangements, which would aid fransmissions; it was also situated on flat land and was 340 feet above sea level. In 1924/25, the twelve main masts were constructed and erected at a cost of half a million pounds. The area covered by the masts is 900 acres and each mast is 820 feet high.
 
On 1st January 1926, the Rugby site (callsign GBR) powered up. The manufacture and erection of the masts was done so well that not one single part had to be taken replaced once it was installed. The huge guy ropes had to be constructed on site and used over 300 miles of wire, the longest one taking over 100 men to carry it. Each mast had a lift arrangement for the maintenance teams to reach the top in order to carry out maintenance of the lights and insulators. The lift can carry four men and takes just over 12 minutes to reach the top. The aerial is slung between the 12 masts in a figure of eight formation; it consists of 8 wires on 12 feet spreaders and sags approximately 150 feet between masts.
 
So why the sudden interest in the Rugby Radio Station, now run by British Telecom? The VLF Broadcast to the Royal Navy Submarines will cease transmission at the end of March 2003. The transmitter has served the submarine service for over 75 years and, I'm sure, will be sadly missed. I feel that I too have played part in its history. In the early part of 1958 while serving as a Leading Telegraphist on Talent, undergoing refit in Malta, I was amongst a band of watchkeepers who actually 'keyed' the Rugby Transmitter from the underground headquarters in Lascaris (now a tourist attraction). While serving in Tactician as PO Telegraphist, we were the boat that first read high speed Morse (90 wpm) from a transmitter in Kranji in 1961. Again I was the PO Tel in Tiptoe when we carried out trials with the Rugby Transmitter in 1963. Then, in 1970, I was the Chief Tel. who took a party of watchkeepers to Norway with the First Submarine Squadron. This was the first occasion that Rugby had been 'keyed' at 90 words per minute from another NATO country. The idea of sending Morse at 90 wpm was to cut down on the time the submarine spent reading the routines. The routine was recorded on a tape recorder at that speed and then played back at approximately 30 words per minute. This was ideal from the Wireless Operators point of view. To begin with, he never missed anything; also he was able to set-up any crypto machine and then type the message directly onto the machine without having to make a written copy first.
 
I understand from the Station Manager, Mr. Tim Slocombe, that some, if not all, parts of the transmitter and aerial system may be made available to a museum if should any one wish to take advantage of the offer. As a technician, I should think that the large aerial tuning coil (a massive structure, which was first installed in 1926) would make a fine exhibit, as would the racks containing the actual transmitter. We shall see!
So, finally, "Goodbye Rugby GBR.... and Thanks a Million!"
 
John Belton-Perkin joined submarines in 1953. He served in S. T and A class Submarines, retiring as a Chief Radio supervisor in 1975.
 

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7868 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 08:42:22 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 08:42:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28551 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 08:42:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 08:42:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19aAVu-0006Lk-Rj for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:41:22 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19aAVq-0006Lb-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:41:18 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-112.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.112] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19aAVl-0007hy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:41:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c345f7$0034ba00$70ce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c345d6$cf184ce0$e3c428c3@captbrian> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:48:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bryan > Of the earth return loss resistance, how much of the resistance is the > actual earth rod(s)-to-soil contact and how much is the earth path ? > With an inverted L antenna , is not a counterpoise of the same length as > the horizontal section and directly underneath but a few feet off the ground > a good way of avoiding the earth rod to soil contact losses ?? Because the radiation resistance of the normally electrically short (suburban) LF antenna is so low earth resistance consumes much of the transmitted power. Appendix 1 'The Earthing Resistance of Antennae' (written in 1922!) of the LF Handbook illustrates the considerable effort and expense that went into trying to reduce earth resistance. Because of the effect of trees and other electromagnetic obstacles we now tend to think of the losses as environmental rather than just earth losses. > > It is said that, at HF, a few radials four feet off the ground are better > by far than an earth rod for a L/4 vertical "ground plane" . Does LF need > far more than four feet?? You need a lot of wire and some wide open spaces for a few quarter wave radials! I did some experiments at Amberley museum with a wire radial because the ground there is made of chalk and is a poor earth. I found that I could get the radial to work provided it was resonated with a separate variable inductor but the loading of such an arrangement proved tricky. In a suburban environment earth rods have proved to be the most reliable. Experiment with any other earth systems you have around the place such as water pipes (not gas). Every QTH seems to be different in this respect. Regards, Peter, G3LDO . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9777 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 07:52:18 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 07:52:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19898 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 07:52:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 07:52:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19a9jd-0005wg-0n for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:51:29 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.131] (helo=fep03-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19a9jY-0005wX-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 08:51:24 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.12]) by fep03-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20030709075123.DEKI27514.fep03-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:51:23 +0200 Message-ID: <004101c345ef$52d38500$0c2465d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c345d6$cf184ce0$e3c428c3@captbrian> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:53:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bryan, > Of the earth return loss resistance, how much of the resistance is the > actual earth rod(s)-to-soil contact and how much is the earth path ? that is a very interesting question but it is difficult, if not impossible, to give an exact answer. However, in a typical amateur antenna, the earth path is responsible for a considerable part of the total resistance. I believe in G3AQC's "footprint theory" - the more ground area covered by the top loading wire(s), the better. More lawn in parallel, so to speak :-) > With an inverted L antenna , is not a counterpoise of the same length as > the horizontal section and directly underneath but a few feet off the ground > a good way of avoiding the earth rod to soil contact losses ?? I have tried such a ground wire with an 15m up / 85m out inverted L but there was no detectable difference. Feedpoint resistance was around 35 ohms in both cases (including coil loss etc). Probably because the wire "catched" only a fraction of the total E field. I did not try using the (slightly) elevated ground wire as the only ground ("floating antenna") because I ran out of loading inductance... 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7490 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 06:58:36 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 06:58:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28388 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 06:58:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 06:58:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19a8tv-0005cI-3A for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 07:58:03 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19a8tr-0005c9-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 07:57:59 +0100 Received: from host213-122-41-45.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.41.45] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19a8tq-0001SP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 07:57:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c345e7$5b47cd20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030709031726.00a7de40@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:57:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA 9/7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, yes the route is just achieving that state in the recovery cycle where the multiple paths can provide constructive (additive) interference (in an optical sense) This produced CFH (Halifax NS) levels at my location nearly 6dB higher than last night. They almost reached 40dBuV ( 100uV in 50ohms at the input to my RX). This plot will be posted later in the day with today's report at http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm Remember that during the part of the cycle just after the Geomagnetic storms the levels barely reached 30dBuV. Hopefully, if it follows my "road map" ( now where have I heard that term before !! ), the fading will slow and the high peaks will be wider tonight Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rogerson" To: Sent: 09 July 2003 03:19 Subject: LF: VO1NA 9/7 > Best to date, there is an of Argo at: > > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/VO1NA > > 73, Brian CT1DRP > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21004 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 04:58:57 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 04:58:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 19802 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 04:58:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 04:58:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19a71Z-00050z-Uh for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:57:49 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19a71W-00050q-17 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:57:46 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-227.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.227] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19a71U-000Ehk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:57:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c345d6$cf184ce0$e3c428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 05:58:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: earth losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Gents, If I bore the group with my "new-to-LF-so-not done-the-research " questions then please tell me. If not then: Of the earth return loss resistance, how much of the resistance is the actual earth rod(s)-to-soil contact and how much is the earth path ? With an inverted L antenna , is not a counterpoise of the same length as the horizontal section and directly underneath but a few feet off the ground a good way of avoiding the earth rod to soil contact losses ?? It is said that, at HF, a few radials four feet off the ground are better by far than an earth rod for a L/4 vertical "ground plane" . Does LF need far more than four feet?? Bryan ( I only asked ) G3GVB -----Original From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11200 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 03:20:01 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 03:20:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22785 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Jul 2003 03:20:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 03:20:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19a5UK-0004WV-JJ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:19:24 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.29] (helo=jubilee.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19a5UG-0004WM-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:19:20 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (vis002.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.2]) by jubilee.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6930VfJ002385 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 04:00:31 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030709031726.00a7de40@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 03:19:25 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: VO1NA 9/7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Best to date, there is an of Argo at: http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/VO1NA 73, Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2009 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 22:37:40 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 22:37:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10526 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 22:37:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 22:37:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19a150-00032r-VV for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:36:58 +0100 Received: from [209.226.175.189] (helo=tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19a14w-00032i-Np for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:36:54 +0100 Received: from [65.93.64.34] by tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20030708223646.MGYQ22067.tomts26-srv.bellnexxia.net@[65.93.64.34]> for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:36:46 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:38:15 -0500 From: "Mitch Powell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_MACOEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > > Alan G3NYK is predicting improving conditions... CT1DRP and > G3YXM had good copies this morning so its back at it again > tomorrow morning 0000-0900 UTC 137.777 kHz QRSS30. Nice work Joe - monitored overnight here also - QRN S8-9 all through the night.. Will try again tonight. 73 Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8408 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 21:22:51 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 21:22:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 24377 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 21:22:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Zztt-0002d3-71 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:21:25 +0100 Received: from [195.92.193.211] (helo=cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zztp-0002cu-6P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:21:21 +0100 Received: from modem-3314.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.124.242] helo=shack) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zzto-00061s-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:21:20 +0100 From: "Simon Lewis" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:21:16 +0100 Message-ID: <00a601c34596$e13936e0$1a00900a@shack> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <000201c34591$5ed68f40$8fce28c3@captbrian> Subject: RE: LF: TA Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false No.... 6m >>>6m open to KP2/4 - VP9/W1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/0 I kid u not! This is linked to low K and quite mag field too! Hence the LF-VHF link Regards Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of captbrian Sent: 08 July 2003 21:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: TA Again Where are you? What band ...do you mean 136 - surely not ? G3GVB / Brighton -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lewis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 08 July 2003 19:06 Subject: RE: LF: TA Again >K is right down so best time! > >Mag field is quiet! > >6m open to KP2/4 - VP9/W1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/0 I kid u not! > >Hrd/wrk as far east as California! > >Good luck on LF! > >Regards > >Simon > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove >Sent: 08 July 2003 18:59 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: TA Again > > >Joe > >Congrats on the mid summer crossing! > >Saw nothing in CT last night - static was about 8/10. Will take a look >again tonight. > >Jay Rusgrove, W1VD > >Joe Craig wrote: > >> Alan G3NYK is predicting improving conditions... CT1DRP and G3YXM had >> good copies this morning so its back at it again tomorrow morning >> 0000-0900 UTC 137.777 kHz QRSS30. >> >> Cheers >> Joe > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11841 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 20:41:06 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 20:41:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 28052 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 20:41:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 20:41:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZzGY-0002Fa-3h for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:40:46 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZzGU-0002FQ-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:40:42 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-143.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.143] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ZzGS-000Ae8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:40:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c34591$5ed68f40$8fce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 21:13:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: TA Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Where are you? What band ...do you mean 136 - surely not ? G3GVB / Brighton -----Original Message----- From: Simon Lewis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 08 July 2003 19:06 Subject: RE: LF: TA Again >K is right down so best time! > >Mag field is quiet! > >6m open to KP2/4 - VP9/W1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/0 I kid u not! > >Hrd/wrk as far east as California! > >Good luck on LF! > >Regards > >Simon > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove >Sent: 08 July 2003 18:59 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: TA Again > > >Joe > >Congrats on the mid summer crossing! > >Saw nothing in CT last night - static was about 8/10. Will take a look >again tonight. > >Jay Rusgrove, W1VD > >Joe Craig wrote: > >> Alan G3NYK is predicting improving conditions... CT1DRP and G3YXM had >> good copies this morning so its back at it again tomorrow morning >> 0000-0900 UTC 137.777 kHz QRSS30. >> >> Cheers >> Joe > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12259 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 20:39:27 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 20:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25417 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 20:39:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 20:39:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZzEQ-0002DF-3Q for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:38:34 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.111] (helo=cmsrelay02.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZzEL-0002D6-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:38:30 +0100 Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.137) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 20:38:24 -0000 Received: from usa.net [81.211.142.7] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 294HgHuMw0156M37; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:38:22 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 81.211.142.7 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F0B2B01.2020801@usa.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:35:13 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f0.cc76846.2c3b4f84@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA TX The real explaination Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false WarmSpgs@aol.com wrote: >[...] >You'll need to return >to your great-great-grandparents' time and make a substantial bank deposit, >then hope the miracle of compound interest will provide enough funds to pay the >fine. Trust me on this. > >John > > > John, it won't work, I'm afraid... I discovered it the hard way... Apparently the decay rate of money (which can have both signs) does conserve parity... in other words, the product between the sign of its exponential and the sign of the versor indicating the time direction is invariant. This has the unfortunate consequence that any amount of money you bring with you back in time has a negative interest rate immediatedly applied to it. I would be a rich man by now, weren't it for that .... 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. To all group members, please excuse this exchange of jokes... though my age is not exactly that of a child, my character still has some child-like aspects :-) Sinite parvulos venire ad me ! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5676 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 18:02:07 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 18:02:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11668 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 18:02:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 18:02:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Zwmh-0001LI-CK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:01:47 +0100 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zwmc-0001L5-Dq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:01:42 +0100 Received: from modem-1833.rhino.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.103.41] helo=shack) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zwmb-0006HK-2z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:01:41 +0100 From: "Simon Lewis" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:01:29 +0100 Message-ID: <00a101c3457a$f8ad75f0$1a00900a@shack> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3F0B0678.5ED6A8D2@snet.net> Subject: RE: LF: TA Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false K is right down so best time! Mag field is quiet! 6m open to KP2/4 - VP9/W1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/0 I kid u not! Hrd/wrk as far east as California! Good luck on LF! Regards Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove Sent: 08 July 2003 18:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: TA Again Joe Congrats on the mid summer crossing! Saw nothing in CT last night - static was about 8/10. Will take a look again tonight. Jay Rusgrove, W1VD Joe Craig wrote: > Alan G3NYK is predicting improving conditions... CT1DRP and G3YXM had > good copies this morning so its back at it again tomorrow morning > 0000-0900 UTC 137.777 kHz QRSS30. > > Cheers > Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23987 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 17:53:13 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 17:53:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26836 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 17:53:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 17:53:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Zwde-0001FT-Cy for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:52:26 +0100 Received: from [204.127.202.56] (helo=sccrmhc12.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zwda-0001FG-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:52:22 +0100 Received: from snet.net (c-67-163-165-144.client.comcast.net[67.163.165.144](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003070817515001200agshse> (Authid: jbrusgrove); Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:51:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3F0B0678.5ED6A8D2@snet.net> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:59:20 -0400 From: "Jay Rusgrove" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: TA Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe Congrats on the mid summer crossing! Saw nothing in CT last night - static was about 8/10. Will take a look again tonight. Jay Rusgrove, W1VD Joe Craig wrote: > Alan G3NYK is predicting improving conditions... CT1DRP and > G3YXM had good copies this morning so its back at it again > tomorrow morning 0000-0900 UTC 137.777 kHz QRSS30. > > Cheers > Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5920 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 15:10:14 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 15:10:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28527 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 15:10:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 15:10:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Zu5h-0000G4-EQ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:09:13 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zu5Z-0000Fv-Uu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:09:08 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h68F8pXD010704 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:38:52 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h68F8o4s002719 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:38:51 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h68F8n9Y020399; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:38:49 -0230 (NDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:38:48 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA Again Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alan G3NYK is predicting improving conditions... CT1DRP and G3YXM had good copies this morning so its back at it again tomorrow morning 0000-0900 UTC 137.777 kHz QRSS30. Cheers Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17477 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 12:53:28 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 12:53:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 9723 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 12:53:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 12:53:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZrxB-0007hD-Ny for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:52:17 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.233] (helo=smtp04.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zrx7-0007h2-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:52:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 23790 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 12:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.137.217]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp04.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Jul 2003 12:51:41 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030708144529.009ecec0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:54:46 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030707113252.025bf530@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <000001c343db$8cb86760$5967fea9@p4o2b7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Field strength calcs. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Jim, M0BMU wrote:


The voltage induced in a loop is:

V = 2.1x10^-8 (fNAE)

where f = frequency (Hz)
        N = number of turns
        A = area (m^2)
        E = field strength (V/m)

Always assuming that the antennas are far enough apart for the loop to be in the "far field" (>1 - 2km seems to be enough)

I think 2km is not quite enough at 73kHz. I calculated the total field over perfect ground at 2km distance by means of a antenna simulation program. I found E/H = 342 ohm. In the far field E/H ought to be 377 ohm  (= 120.pi ohm).  So apparently at 2km the near field is not yet small enough to be negligible. 

I found that even at 137kHz measurements were inconsistent at 2km so I changed to over 4km. 

73, Dick,  PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2331 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 08:45:38 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 08:45:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 22692 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 08:45:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 08:45:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Zo5o-0005sY-By for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:44:56 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zo5k-0005sP-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:44:52 +0100 Received: from host213-122-10-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.10.85] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Zo5j-0006o1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:44:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c3452d$219a21a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:44:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re T/A path Propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Well Done Joe, you read more into my prediction that I was willing to stick my neck out for. But the results prove the case. CFH improved to moderately good levels with little deep fading, and stayed above 30dBuV with me for the whole of the "window". That extra few miles closer to Europe makes a lot of difference. Thanks for the efforts. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8954 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 07:34:56 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 07:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 1882 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 07:34:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 07:34:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Zmzi-0005Qi-N5 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:34:34 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.82] (helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Zmze-0005QZ-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:34:30 +0100 Received: from fwd04.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19Zmzd-0002Gq-00; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:34:29 +0200 Received: from oben (bjvk2kZHrevv7tyHlxqM2O-G8K8tZOXsWM9NIbg8DhVAs+gigzsOcC@[80.128.218.69]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19ZmzM-1WuLZI0; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:34:12 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c34524$0b6407b0$ee9bfea9@oben> From: "dj9dw" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030707113252.025bf530@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:39:20 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Seen: false X-ID: bjvk2kZHrevv7tyHlxqM2O-G8K8tZOXsWM9NIbg8DhVAs+gigzsOcC@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Field strength calcs. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello James, thanks for your enlighting explainations on fs-calc via loop. Now I know how to and give my new toy, SNA-1 analyzer, its first serious task measuring my neighbour in Mainflingen. vy 73, Peter, dj9dw. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: Field strength calcs. > At 17:26 06/07/2003 +0100, you wrote: > >When making the signal strength measurements using a loop antenna should > >this be resonated or aperiodic? > > > >I made measurements under both conditions but the results are puzzling - > >even allowing for my peripatetic decimal point! > > Dear Ian, LF Group, > > The voltage induced in a loop is: > > V = 2.1x10^-8 (fNAE) > > where f = frequency (Hz) > N = number of turns > A = area (m^2) > E = field strength (V/m) > > Always assuming that the antennas are far enough apart for the loop to be > in the "far field" (>1 - 2km seems to be enough) > > From the circuit point of view, the loop behaves as a voltage source of > the value given by the formula, in series with the inductance and > resistance of the loop winding. If a high impedance load is connected to > the loop terminals, the measured voltage will be more or less that given by > the formula. If the load impedance is relatively low, the output voltage > will be reduced by the potential divider action of the loop > inductance/resistance and the load resistance. For single-turn loops less > than a few metres in diameter, the inductive reactance is only a few ohms, > so even a 50ohm load on the loop will have little effect on the signal > voltage - this is one reason single-turn loops are popular for > measurements; few variables affect the measurement. A multi-turn loop with > higher inductance can be series-tuned; the reactance of the loop is > cancelled by the capacitor reactance, eliminating this loading effect. A > parallel-tuned loop could be used with a high impedance load - in this > case, the voltage will be stepped up by a factor equal to the loaded Q of > the loop - but since this depends on a number of variables, it introduces > greater uncertainty into the measurements. > > If you turn the formula round, you get E by measuring the signal voltage: > > E = V/(2.1x10^-8 x fNA) > > Then ERP (relative to a dipole) is: > > Perp = (Ed)^2 /50 (d is distance in metres, E is fs in V/m, Perp in watts) > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15499 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 07:19:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 07:19:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22559 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jul 2003 07:19:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 07:19:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZmkH-0005JH-IO for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:18:37 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.29] (helo=jubilee.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZmkD-0005J8-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:18:33 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (vis002.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.2]) by jubilee.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h686xkTI009937 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:59:47 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030708071626.00a738a0@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:18:37 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: VO1NA 8/7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false There are a couple of Argos at: http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/VO1NA 73, Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4865 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:35:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:35:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23421 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2003 01:35:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2003 01:35:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZhN9-0003jJ-GR for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:34:23 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.27] (helo=iceman.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZhN5-0003jA-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 02:34:19 +0100 Received: from slave-5.esoterica.pt (sjm099.esoterica.pt [195.22.17.227]) by iceman.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h680MoFt001559 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 01:22:50 +0100 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20030708013102.00b3a5a0@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: NX4YWV@vianw.pt@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:34:26 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: <003b01c344d6$69994b90$1d00a8c0@dellboy> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Just started up as an O signal here, also less noisy than Dave's location. Brian CT1DRP At 23:23 07/07/2003, you wrote: >Joe > >I have put the grabber on at 15 minute intervals, centred on 137.777 +/- my >inaccuracies, with Argo in QRSS30 mode. >You can watch it at http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ >I'll look through the grabs tomorrow. > >Good luck >Dave >G3YXM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe Craig" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:48 PM >Subject: LF: VO1NA TX > > > > VO1NA will be transmitting QRSS30 on 137.777 kHz +-.2 Hz from > > 0000Z to 0090Z on 08 July. > > > > I'll be happy to receive any signal reports. > > > > Cheers > > Joe > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19680 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 23:16:47 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 23:16:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 24564 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 23:16:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 23:16:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZfDM-00038j-4Z for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:16:08 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZfDH-00038a-RR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:16:03 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19ZU02-0006sV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:17:38 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19ZU01-0004m6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:17:37 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030707113252.025bf530@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:14:23 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000001c343db$8cb86760$5967fea9@p4o2b7> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Field strength calcs. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 17:26 06/07/2003 +0100, you wrote: >When making the signal strength measurements using a loop antenna should >this be resonated or aperiodic? > >I made measurements under both conditions but the results are puzzling - >even allowing for my peripatetic decimal point! Dear Ian, LF Group, The voltage induced in a loop is: V = 2.1x10^-8 (fNAE) where f = frequency (Hz) N = number of turns A = area (m^2) E = field strength (V/m) Always assuming that the antennas are far enough apart for the loop to be in the "far field" (>1 - 2km seems to be enough) From the circuit point of view, the loop behaves as a voltage source of the value given by the formula, in series with the inductance and resistance of the loop winding. If a high impedance load is connected to the loop terminals, the measured voltage will be more or less that given by the formula. If the load impedance is relatively low, the output voltage will be reduced by the potential divider action of the loop inductance/resistance and the load resistance. For single-turn loops less than a few metres in diameter, the inductive reactance is only a few ohms, so even a 50ohm load on the loop will have little effect on the signal voltage - this is one reason single-turn loops are popular for measurements; few variables affect the measurement. A multi-turn loop with higher inductance can be series-tuned; the reactance of the loop is cancelled by the capacitor reactance, eliminating this loading effect. A parallel-tuned loop could be used with a high impedance load - in this case, the voltage will be stepped up by a factor equal to the loaded Q of the loop - but since this depends on a number of variables, it introduces greater uncertainty into the measurements. If you turn the formula round, you get E by measuring the signal voltage: E = V/(2.1x10^-8 x fNA) Then ERP (relative to a dipole) is: Perp = (Ed)^2 /50 (d is distance in metres, E is fs in V/m, Perp in watts) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6944 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 22:36:47 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 22:36:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13530 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 22:36:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 22:36:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Zea1-0002tg-0P for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:35:29 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.162] (helo=imo-m07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZeZw-0002tV-Gq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:35:24 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.1f0.cc76846 (25305) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0.cc76846.2c3b4f84@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:34:44 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX The real explaination Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alberto wrote: > I tried to code time-accelerating functions in Argo, but got a visit > from the temporal police Yes, one must be careful when dealing with those guys. Proving that your time device's registration is current in whatever epoch you may find yourself is not always a simple task. And if you have one of those high-powered Italian models, don't ever get caught going 150 years per hour in a 50 year per hour zone! You'll need to return to your great-great-grandparents' time and make a substantial bank deposit, then hope the miracle of compound interest will provide enough funds to pay the fine. Trust me on this. John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23404 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 22:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 3990 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 22:22:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 22:22:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZeN6-0002mo-GD for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:22:08 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZeN2-0002mf-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:22:04 +0100 Received: from host217-39-4-249.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.4.249] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19ZeN1-00033V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 23:22:03 +0100 Message-ID: <003b01c344d6$69994b90$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:23:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe I have put the grabber on at 15 minute intervals, centred on 137.777 +/- my inaccuracies, with Argo in QRSS30 mode. You can watch it at http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ I'll look through the grabs tomorrow. Good luck Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Craig" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: LF: VO1NA TX > VO1NA will be transmitting QRSS30 on 137.777 kHz +-.2 Hz from > 0000Z to 0090Z on 08 July. > > I'll be happy to receive any signal reports. > > Cheers > Joe > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11397 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 17:06:00 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 17:06:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 647 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 17:06:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 17:06:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZZQJ-0001EM-QK for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:05:07 +0100 Received: from [195.224.180.233] (helo=olympus.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZZQF-0001ED-6i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:05:03 +0100 Received: from k7t (209.25.153.194.dial.uk.telenor.net [194.153.25.209]) by olympus.pncl.co.uk (8.12.9/8.12.7) with SMTP id h67GBWAS020990 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c344a9$fe236480$d11999c2@k7t> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:05:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5,REFERENCES) Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX The real explaination Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false You ought to be careful publicising that, Joe, somebody will patent it and start selling 100% efficient LF antennas based on your theory. After all, it's been done before! Walter G3JKV. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15011 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 16:20:15 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 16:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29297 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 16:20:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 16:20:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZYiJ-0000vQ-Qi for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:19:39 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZYiF-0000vH-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:19:35 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-9.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.9] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ZYiE-000JGr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:19:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c344a3$36643240$09c828c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:04:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Now I understand about 'virtual' power. It is the number of coulombs per unit of imaginary time. G3GVB -----Original Message----- From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 07 July 2003 13:52 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX >Jay, > >> Well that's a fine kettle of fish. I had no idea you were operating in a >> special time slot (0059Z - 0090Z). > >The Canadian government established those hours to protect their power grid. >Since the time isn't real, any power interruption can't be real, either. >Obviously, U.S. regulators were not comfortable with the concept of >anti-time. > >John A. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10474 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 16:11:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 16:11:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 1432 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 16:11:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 16:11:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZYaK-0000py-Js for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:11:24 +0100 Received: from [165.254.4.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZYaF-0000pp-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:11:20 +0100 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2.1) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:11:19 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c344a2$ae325230$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c344a0$597c99a0$3704210a@Hugh> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:13:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Hugh and all, You'll hear the negative frequency much better; a lot less QRM down there. See http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/alan_cake/Theartic.htm . 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA TX > Hi Joe, > What does the Z stand for, is it your local time or UTC ? > Also ... my D2006 SLM has a frequency scale which goes right down to zero, > and then carries on, with the numbers going back up again. I've always > assumed this was negative frequency, however the signals do seem to sound > much the same either side of zero. I shall be interested to see if your > imaginary radiation appears in both positive and negative Hz. > > 73 > Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24729 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 15:58:40 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 15:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 4527 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 15:58:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 15:58:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZYNR-0000gm-1G for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:58:05 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.225] (helo=murphys.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZYNM-0000gW-N7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:58:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 3171 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 15:57:23 -0000 Received: from ctuash.plus.com (HELO Hugh) (212.159.90.113) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 15:57:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c344a0$597c99a0$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:56:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Joe, What does the Z stand for, is it your local time or UTC ? Also ... my D2006 SLM has a frequency scale which goes right down to zero, and then carries on, with the numbers going back up again. I've always assumed this was negative frequency, however the signals do seem to sound much the same either side of zero. I shall be interested to see if your imaginary radiation appears in both positive and negative Hz. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Craig" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: LF: VO1NA TX > VO1NA will be transmitting QRSS30 on 137.777 kHz +-.2 Hz from > 0000Z to 0090Z on 08 July. > > I'll be happy to receive any signal reports. > > Cheers > Joe > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16289 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 15:41:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 15:41:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12680 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 15:41:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 15:41:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZY6x-0000Y5-Th for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:41:03 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZY6r-0000Xw-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:40:57 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h67FekXD014321 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:10:46 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h67Fej4s019191 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:10:46 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h67FejW5019305; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:10:45 -0230 (NDT) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:10:44 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <3F098003.2070400@usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX The real explaination Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Lots of good guesses, but the real answer is that at 00:59:60 tomorrow morning I'll be radiating imaginary 2200m photons using the jX component of the antenna impedance instead or the customary R component. Because |X| >> R at LF, the efficiency will be very close to 100%. If Alberto can include an imaginary time axis (to 0090Z) in his latest build of ARGO then everyone should get an O copy. Could get a bit messy with all the j squared omega terms in the FFT's.... negative frequencies and going back in time, etc.. which could result in major temporal violations. Real 2200 metre photon emission will resume at 0100 to 0900Z, assuming I know what I'm doing. Joe On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Alberto di Bene wrote: > Jay Rusgrove wrote: > > >Well that's a fine kettle of fish. I had no idea you were operating in a > >special time slot (0059Z - 0090Z). Guess I've been missing out on a lot > >of activity! Is there a function in Argo that accomodates this or a > >special "alternate time" interface box? I'm guessing an interface box - > >but does it go between the antenna and the receiver or the receiver and > >the computer? Please send details... > > > > > > > I tried to code time-accelerating functions in Argo, but got a visit > from the temporal police, > warning me about possible violations of the Warp rules set forth by the > space-time committee > in 2167 AD. They would fine me for any violations of the laws of > physics, expecially for escaping > from the light cone. They mumbled something on the lines of "... if > everybody would do that, > how could we then control cause-effect relationships ? " > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10471 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 14:15:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 14:15:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 3445 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 14:15:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 14:15:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZWkj-0008Oa-BE for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:14:01 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsrelay04.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZWkd-0008OH-W6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:13:56 +0100 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 14:13:23 -0000 Received: from usa.net [81.211.141.176] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 242HggoNu0458M28; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 14:13:20 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 81.211.141.176 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F098003.2070400@usa.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 16:13:23 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3F09699E.3D15EF3@snet.net> Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jay Rusgrove wrote: >Well that's a fine kettle of fish. I had no idea you were operating in a >special time slot (0059Z - 0090Z). Guess I've been missing out on a lot >of activity! Is there a function in Argo that accomodates this or a >special "alternate time" interface box? I'm guessing an interface box - >but does it go between the antenna and the receiver or the receiver and >the computer? Please send details... > > > I tried to code time-accelerating functions in Argo, but got a visit from the temporal police, warning me about possible violations of the Warp rules set forth by the space-time committee in 2167 AD. They would fine me for any violations of the laws of physics, expecially for escaping from the light cone. They mumbled something on the lines of "... if everybody would do that, how could we then control cause-effect relationships ? " 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8646 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 12:51:18 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 12:51:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 24545 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 12:51:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 12:51:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZVRh-0007t8-RM for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:50:17 +0100 Received: from [206.173.118.93] (helo=uhura.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZVRc-0007sz-9n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:50:12 +0100 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h67Co9s29260 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jka (208.37.242.34.ptr.us.xo.net [208.37.242.34]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a+patch04072003) id IAA27839; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801c34487$65f785a0$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3F09699E.3D15EF3@snet.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:58:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jay, > Well that's a fine kettle of fish. I had no idea you were operating in a > special time slot (0059Z - 0090Z). The Canadian government established those hours to protect their power grid. Since the time isn't real, any power interruption can't be real, either. Obviously, U.S. regulators were not comfortable with the concept of anti-time. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2547 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 12:31:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 12:31:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12674 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 12:31:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 12:31:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZV8y-0007hu-Er for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:30:56 +0100 Received: from [204.127.198.39] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZV8t-0007hf-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:30:52 +0100 Received: from snet.net (c-67-163-165-144.client.comcast.net[67.163.165.144](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003070712302001500cgt9le> (Authid: jbrusgrove); Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:30:20 +0000 Message-ID: <3F09699E.3D15EF3@snet.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:37:50 -0400 From: "Jay Rusgrove" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe 0090Z? Well that's a fine kettle of fish. I had no idea you were operating in a special time slot (0059Z - 0090Z). Guess I've been missing out on a lot of activity! Is there a function in Argo that accomodates this or a special "alternate time" interface box? I'm guessing an interface box - but does it go between the antenna and the receiver or the receiver and the computer? Please send details... Jay Rusgrove, W1VD Joe Craig wrote: > VO1NA will be transmitting QRSS30 on 137.777 kHz +-.2 Hz from > 0000Z to 0090Z on 08 July. > > I'll be happy to receive any signal reports. > > Cheers > Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13951 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 11:49:34 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 11:49:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4299 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 11:49:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 11:49:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZUUG-0007MQ-DL for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:48:52 +0100 Received: from [134.153.2.130] (helo=newman.ucs.mun.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZUUA-0007ME-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:48:46 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h67BmgxX000406 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:18:42 -0230 (NDT) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h67Bma4s011364 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:18:41 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id h67BmaFV000360; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:18:36 -0230 (NDT) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:18:35 -0230 (NDT) From: "Joe Craig" X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000a01c3446b$711fba40$5967fea9@p4o2b7> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: VO1NA TX Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false VO1NA will be transmitting QRSS30 on 137.777 kHz +-.2 Hz from 0000Z to 0090Z on 08 July. I'll be happy to receive any signal reports. Cheers Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8284 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 10:39:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 10:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 9684 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 10:39:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 10:39:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZTNf-0006lD-MQ for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:37:59 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.48] (helo=mta8-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZTNb-0006l4-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:37:55 +0100 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.208.127]) by mta8-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030707103753.XKMX291.mta8-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c3446b$711fba40$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030706225246.0220c860@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 10:36:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Field strength calcs. 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Thanks Dick,
 
that is what I took out of our previous exchange on FS, but I am rather shaken  to find that according to the signal strengths received on a calibrated Datong/TS850 setup from a1t. 1m.sq aperiodic loop at 2.2 and 3.3 kms range, the actual radiated power on 73 KHz is only between 2 and 3 milliwatts! (Without using the Datong - effectively as a preamp - the signal strength simply could not be measured)
 
This does not seem to equate with the distances on QSOs where I was actually audible.
 
Regrettably no more tests can be made on 73 but when I get back from holiday in Normandy at the beginning of August the whole business can be re-addressed on 136.
That is assuming that keeping numbers 2 nd 4 grandsons entertained during said 'holiday' leaves me in any fit state to do anything!
 
73 de,
 
Ian MI0AYZ/GI8AYZ 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19372 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2003 06:07:19 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 06:07:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 809 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jul 2003 06:07:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2003 06:07:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZP8d-0005Hw-Kw for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:06:11 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZP8Z-0005Hn-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:06:07 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-154.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.154] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ZP8X-000FyY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 07:06:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c3444d$82f57200$9ac828c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 06:55:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: seeking know-how Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXTversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Yes it _is_ B41 . I have one of each and could not remember which is which and too tired to go upstairs and look. . I carried them upstairs 25 years ago and cannot get rid of them now because I have got to be too old to carry them down again! As mentioned I have this plus a black box tuned to the 41's 800 Khz. I.F. in cascade !! I can see that a narrow-band converter would be better but I tend to be an antenna person. I need a house with sea at the end of garden. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Brown To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 06 July 2003 21:20 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: seeking know-how >Must be a B41 rx if you are tuning LF sigs directly- not a B40? Or are you >usnig a converter? >73 >Dave, ZL3FJ (who only recently reluctantly sold his B41-magnificent LF rx- >but HEAVY!) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "captbrian" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:04 AM >Subject: LF: Re: Re: seeking know-how > > >> For two Daves and an Alan. Thank you all I have a few web-sites to go >> read now.. >> >> The B40 has a IF output "port" at 800 khz and feeding that into a IC725 >> tuned to 800 gives me some gain and a frequency read-out and a CW filter. >> >> The 138.8 sig is bigger than Radio 4 on 198 and only slightly less than >> German b'cast on 153. I'll do some S-meter comparisons. >> >> I have a Laboratory type VFO and a Lab. type amplifier with two 807's >> joy ;-)) ] both in the 'might-come-in-handy-one-day ' cupboard . but >I >> think I must work on a good Antenna first. >> >> Then there's this unwanted aluminium ladder to bury LOL >> >> Bryan >> >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17753 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 20:56:35 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 20:56:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10213 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 20:56:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 20:56:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZGYD-00031p-OX for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:56:01 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.232] (helo=smtp03.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZGY8-00031c-KG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:55:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 20511 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 20:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.139.156]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp03.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Jul 2003 20:55:25 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030706224816.02209910@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:52:24 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <001c01c343d3$2e013f60$9bce28c3@captbrian> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Bryan, G3GVB wrote:


So: is the system directional ?


The gain I mentioned was in efficiency. But there may be some gain by directivity of the aerial system as well, but this is not clear.

73, Dick, PA0SE


Bryan - G3GVB  (Near Brighton )


-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Rollema <d.w.rollema@freeler.nl>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 06 July 2003 13:32
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil


>To All from PA0SE
>
>
>>valerio gabbani wrote:
>>>
>>>Alberto,
>>>Thanks for the info, did you know also the antenna system used ?
>>>'73, Valerio IK5ZPV
>You can find info (in Swedish)  on the Grimeton station SAQ, including a
>photograph of the antenna system, at the following URL:
>
>www.alexander.n.se
>
>The antenna consists of  six 127m high vertical top  fed radiators in line,
>each with its own earth tuning coil and earth electrode. This decreases the
>earth loss because each earth electrode carries a current I/N, in which I
>is the total earth current and N the number of radiators = number of earth
>electrodes. The gain results from the fact that the total earth loss is  N
>times the loss around  each electrode  but the loss at each electrode
>decreases at (I/N) squared. The system was invented by Alexanderson, also
>designer of the alternator used at Grimeton.
>
>73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17754 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 20:56:35 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 20:56:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1435 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 20:56:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 20:56:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZGYE-00031z-Nt for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:56:02 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.232] (helo=smtp03.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZGYA-00031d-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:55:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 20548 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 20:55:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.139.156]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp03.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Jul 2003 20:55:27 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030706225246.0220c860@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:58:50 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <000001c343db$8cb86760$5967fea9@p4o2b7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Field strength calcs. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TOversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Ian wrote:

When making the signal strength measurements using a loop antenna should
this be resonated or aperiodic?

A resonated loop produces more signal but has to be calibrated by means of a pair of Helmholtz coils.
The voltage induced in an aperiodic loop follows from a simple formula, that can be found in Terman.
So there is no need for calibration when the loop is used with a selective level meter.

73, Dick, PA0SE
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13985 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 20:19:16 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 20:19:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 22562 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 20:19:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 20:19:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZFy4-0002nZ-F7 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:18:40 +0100 Received: from [203.109.254.46] (helo=grunt6.ihug.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZFxz-0002nQ-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 21:18:36 +0100 Received: from 203-173-240-125.adsl.ihug.co.nz (athlon) [203.173.240.125] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ZFxs-0003Ll-00; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 08:18:28 +1200 Message-ID: <06dc01c343fb$5fd32030$6f00a8c0@athlon> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c343ef$88ceba00$23ce28c3@captbrian> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:15:41 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: seeking know-how Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Must be a B41 rx if you are tuning LF sigs directly- not a B40? Or are you usnig a converter? 73 Dave, ZL3FJ (who only recently reluctantly sold his B41-magnificent LF rx- but HEAVY!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:04 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: seeking know-how > For two Daves and an Alan. Thank you all I have a few web-sites to go > read now.. > > The B40 has a IF output "port" at 800 khz and feeding that into a IC725 > tuned to 800 gives me some gain and a frequency read-out and a CW filter. > > The 138.8 sig is bigger than Radio 4 on 198 and only slightly less than > German b'cast on 153. I'll do some S-meter comparisons. > > I have a Laboratory type VFO and a Lab. type amplifier with two 807's > joy ;-)) ] both in the 'might-come-in-handy-one-day ' cupboard . but I > think I must work on a good Antenna first. > > Then there's this unwanted aluminium ladder to bury LOL > > Bryan > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22305 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 18:54:13 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 18:54:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 29421 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 18:54:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 18:54:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZEdf-0002Kg-Ax for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:53:31 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZEdb-0002KT-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:53:27 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-35.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.35] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ZEdW-000CGo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:53:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c343ef$88ceba00$23ce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:04:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: seeking know-how Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false For two Daves and an Alan. Thank you all I have a few web-sites to go read now.. The B40 has a IF output "port" at 800 khz and feeding that into a IC725 tuned to 800 gives me some gain and a frequency read-out and a CW filter. The 138.8 sig is bigger than Radio 4 on 198 and only slightly less than German b'cast on 153. I'll do some S-meter comparisons. I have a Laboratory type VFO and a Lab. type amplifier with two 807's joy ;-)) ] both in the 'might-come-in-handy-one-day ' cupboard . but I think I must work on a good Antenna first. Then there's this unwanted aluminium ladder to bury LOL Bryan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23669 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 17:28:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 17:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 10584 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 17:28:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 17:28:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZDIt-0001lR-08 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:27:59 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZDIo-0001lI-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:27:54 +0100 Received: from p4o2b7 ([62.252.204.177]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030706172754.SMEI18309.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@p4o2b7> for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:27:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c343db$8cb86760$5967fea9@p4o2b7> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 17:26:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Field strength calcs. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Shortly before the 73 KHz band was withdrawn I managed to get some measurements made but the resulting calcs based on PA0SE in the LF book and Terman are giving very pecuiar results for radiated power. When making the signal strength measurements using a loop antenna should this be resonated or aperiodic? I made measurements under both conditions but the results are puzzling - even allowing for my peripatetic decimal point! Anyway I'll be doing it all again on 136 some of these days, but at the moment there are other things more pressing. If anyone is still interested I hope to have a final report on " the Mystery of the Missing Amps" shortly. 73, Ian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7853 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 17:26:33 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 17:26:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23830 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 17:26:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 17:26:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZDH8-0001jF-3c for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:26:10 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.4] (helo=imo-m01.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZDH3-0001j3-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:26:05 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id l.79.14de99a3 (4238) for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <79.14de99a3.2c39b58b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:25:31 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In a message dated 7/6/03 11:31:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes: >> So: is the system directional ? >> Not significantly. The whole array is less than a tenth of a wavelength long, so there is not enough phase delay to achieve much directionality. The design was more about loss reduction than anything else. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2751 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 17:01:51 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 17:01:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 15310 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 17:01:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 17:01:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZCsn-0001Xw-EW for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:01:01 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsrelay03.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZCsi-0001XW-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:00:57 +0100 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 17:00:25 -0000 Received: from usa.net [81.211.141.44] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 077HgFRaw0345M38; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:00:22 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 81.211.141.44 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F0855A6.7060502@usa.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 19:00:22 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030628173442.02a8c008@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <200306302008.50327.valerio@dii.unisi.it> <3F00AA90.3090201@usa.net> <200307021553.14759.valerio@dii.unisi.it> <5.1.0.14.0.20030706135720.02d3c6c0@POP3.freeler.nl> Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dick Rollema wrote:
To All from PA0SE
valerio gabbani wrote:
 

Alberto,
Thanks for the info, did you know also the antenna system used ?
'73, Valerio IK5ZPV
You can find info (in Swedish)  on the Grimeton station SAQ, including a photograph of the antenna system, at the following URL:
[...]


I think Valerio was referring to the antenna used by the Tavolara station.
The picture inserted in my previous message is of that island. On top of the
hill it is possible to see a vertical mast, which I presume is that of the Nato station.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1442 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 15:31:24 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 15:31:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1504 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 15:31:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 15:31:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19ZBTB-00019Q-Tc for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:30:29 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19ZBT7-00019H-Ly for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:30:25 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-155.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.155] helo=captbrian) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 19ZBT6-000LbG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c343d3$2e013f60$9bce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:27:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGEversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false So: is the system directional ? Bryan - G3GVB (Near Brighton ) -----Original Message----- From: Dick Rollema To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 06 July 2003 13:32 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil >To All from PA0SE > > >>valerio gabbani wrote: >>> >>>Alberto, >>>Thanks for the info, did you know also the antenna system used ? >>>'73, Valerio IK5ZPV >You can find info (in Swedish) on the Grimeton station SAQ, including a >photograph of the antenna system, at the following URL: > >www.alexander.n.se > >The antenna consists of six 127m high vertical top fed radiators in line, >each with its own earth tuning coil and earth electrode. This decreases the >earth loss because each earth electrode carries a current I/N, in which I >is the total earth current and N the number of radiators = number of earth >electrodes. The gain results from the fact that the total earth loss is N >times the loss around each electrode but the loss at each electrode >decreases at (I/N) squared. The system was invented by Alexanderson, also >designer of the alternator used at Grimeton. > >73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20925 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 12:44:06 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 12:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 23726 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 12:44:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 12:44:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Z8rr-0000QH-AI for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:43:47 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Z8rm-0000Q8-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:43:42 +0100 Received: from host217-39-4-249.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.4.249] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19Z8rm-0002RL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:43:42 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c343bc$6e56c9c0$1d00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <011f01c343a3$d6ff6d60$b8ce28c3@captbrian> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:45:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: seeking know-how Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bryan. Have a look at Rik's site for lots of aerial information http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz.htm There is also some info and the latest news on my site http://www.wireless.org.uk/ Saturday and Sunday are the best days but at this time of year the band gets noisy with static after mid-day. If you want a test any evening I can radiate a signal for you. As there isn't much traffic these days you'll probably get away with the CW filter in the B40. I normally listen in 100Hz bandwidth during QSOs but I listen to the whole band in SSB bandwidth when I'm in the shack, then I can hear if anyone pops up and home in on them with the narrow filter. The big signal on 138.8 is from Germany and should be about 30dB above your noise floor (in CW bandwidth) if you are going to hear amateur signals. Good Luck. Dave Pick G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- > Feeling 136 would be fun I am seeking more enlightenment re: improving > antenna efficiency so saw ref. to this list and subscribed. > > Also puzzled about selectivity in a band only 2 and a bit Khz wide. > > I have an old B40 LF RX all perked up but no 136 sigs heard yet . > Although it produced SAQ last week at 17.2 Khz and I have a big carrier at > 138.8 with bursts of data-dribble ok. Is there a recognised 136 activity > time ? Is there a 136 net on 80 mtrs. did I hear. When and what freq.? > > I imagine CW sigs from anywhere in the band will be heard at once from near > zero beat up to 2000 Hz.?? > > Am I missing something here? (I spend a lot of time in W land so not up to > date in LF activity in Europe ) > > Is there a recognised 136 activity time ? > > Bryan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27269 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 12:30:45 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 12:30:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 26051 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 12:30:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 12:30:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Z8eP-0000JM-L9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:29:53 +0100 Received: from [213.218.75.233] (helo=smtp04.freeler.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Z8eK-0000JC-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:29:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 13912 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 12:29:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w8k3f0.freeler.nl) ([62.21.150.130]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp04.freeler.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Jul 2003 12:29:17 -0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030706135720.02d3c6c0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 14:15:08 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <3F07FA9A.6020308@usa.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030628173442.02a8c008@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <200306302008.50327.valerio@dii.unisi.it> <3F00AA90.3090201@usa.net> <200307021553.14759.valerio@dii.unisi.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD, HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE


valerio gabbani wrote:

Alberto,
Thanks for the info, did you know also the antenna system used ?
'73, Valerio IK5ZPV
You can find info (in Swedish)  on the Grimeton station SAQ, including a photograph of the antenna system, at the following URL:

www.alexander.n.se

The antenna consists of  six 127m high vertical top  fed radiators in line, each with its own earth tuning coil and earth electrode. This decreases the earth loss because each earth electrode carries a current I/N, in which I is the total earth current and N the number of radiators = number of earth electrodes. The gain results from the fact that the total earth loss is  N times the loss around  each electrode  but the loss at each electrode decreases at (I/N) squared. The system was invented by Alexanderson, also designer of the alternator used at Grimeton.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21465 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2003 10:33:07 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 10:33:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22812 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jul 2003 10:33:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 10:33:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19Z6oW-0008DP-4i for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:32:12 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsrelay03.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19Z6oR-0008DG-BN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:32:07 +0100 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2003 10:32:02 -0000 Received: from usa.net [81.211.136.80] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.08F) with ESMTP id 679HgFkf40316M38; Sun, 06 Jul 2003 10:31:55 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 81.211.136.80 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <3F07FA9A.6020308@usa.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 12:31:54 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030628173442.02a8c008@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <200306302008.50327.valerio@dii.unisi.it> <3F00AA90.3090201@usa.net> <200307021553.14759.valerio@dii.unisi.it> Subject: Re: LF: SAQ nil Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090600060807070109010303" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04,HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_06, HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_HTML_ONLY,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090600060807070109010303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit valerio gabbani wrote:

   
  
Alberto,
Thanks for the info, did you know also the antenna system used ?
'73, Valerio IK5ZPV

  

 

 Valerio,

     sorry, don't know which type of antenna they use. I just have this picture 
:

 
  

 

 73  Alberto  I2PHD

 P.S. There is the possibility that I am wrong about that signal. As a matter 
of fact it seems that

 the Nato station in Tavolara Island is at 20.27 kHz, while the station at 
18.3 could be  Le Blanc

 located in France.

 



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List

Feeling 136 would be fun I am seeking more enlightenment re: improving
antenna efficiency so saw ref. to this list and subscribed.

Also puzzled about selectivity in a band only 2 and a bit Khz wide.

I have an old B40 LF RX all perked up but  no 136 sigs heard yet .
Although it produced SAQ last week at 17.2 Khz and I have a big carrier at
138.8 with bursts of data-dribble ok. Is there a recognised 136 activity
time ? Is there a 136 net on 80 mtrs. did I hear. When and what freq.?

I imagine CW sigs from anywhere in the band  will be heard at once from near
zero beat up to 2000 Hz.??

Am I missing something here?  (I spend a lot of time in W land so not up to
date in LF activity in Europe )

Is there a recognised 136 activity time ?

Bryan


-----Original
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "captbrian" 
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>Sent: 05 July 2003 22:20
>Subject: LF: Re: Re: ZL/9G/LU
>
>
>> Pse is there an archive access system for this site ?
>> Bryan
>> G3GVB
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Igor Grigorov 
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
>> Date: 05 July 2003 16:42
>> Subject: LF: Re: ZL/9G/LU
>>
>>
>> >Hi LFs,
>> >
>> >You can see a new antenna site
>> >
>> >www.antentop.com
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >73!, Igor, RK3ZK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
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>Hi, Bryan,
>
>Presently all files are only on the site is a very young in age.
>
>73!, Igor, RK3ZK
>There is no archives, because the site
>> Pse is there an archive access system for this site ?
>> Bryan
>> G3GVB
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Igor Grigorov 
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
>> Date: 05 July 2003 16:42
>> Subject: LF: Re: ZL/9G/LU
>>
>>
>> >Hi LFs,
>> >
>> >You can see a new antenna site
>> >
>> >www.antentop.com
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >73!, Igor, RK3ZK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>




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Hi, Bryan,

Presently all files are only on the site is a very young in age.

73!, Igor, RK3ZK
There is no archives, because the site 
> Pse is there an archive access system for this site ?
> Bryan
> G3GVB
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Igor Grigorov 
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
> Date: 05 July 2003 16:42
> Subject: LF: Re: ZL/9G/LU
> 
> 
> >Hi LFs,
> >
> >You can see a new antenna site
> >
> >www.antentop.com
> >
> >Best regards,
> >73!, Igor, RK3ZK
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 




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Pse is there an archive access system for this site ?
Bryan
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-----Original Message-----
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>Hi LFs,
>
>You can see a new antenna site
>
>www.antentop.com
>
>Best regards,
>73!, Igor, RK3ZK
>
>
>




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Hi LFs,

You can see a new antenna site

www.antentop.com

Best regards,
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Dear Wolf, dear group,



 today I have updated the web presentation a bit. Now there are many more image examples, and some (hopefully enlightening) comments to the screenshots. All this just fits in AOL's 2MB disk quota...



I did not get Hans' original mail either, it made me wonder too.



Have fun

Markus

 



In einer eMail vom 04.07.03 11:09:08 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt DL4YHF@aol.com:




Hello Jan-Martin, 



You wrote, 

> Is it for Friedrichshafen the sort of "Scriptum der Vorträge" you have for Weinheim, München and other meeting? 

< 





Not really. Markus DF6NM has published the pictures with diagrams, schematics etc at 



http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/ColourDF.htm 



but there is no Scriptum yet (no large text portions but all presentation "foils"). 



In general about Friedrichshafen: There is nothing like the Weinheim scriptum (which is a large book) from the presentations in Friedrichshafen, because the subjects range from "YL-meeting", "IOTA", "The sun near the end of a sunspot cycle", etc. Not too many technical subjects so the LF meeting was a nice exception, IMVHO ;) 



BTW The mail from Hans DK8ND never reached me via reflector (only qouted in Jan-Martin's mail) so I seem to be losing incoming mail. Does anyone else experience this problem, or is it related to my ISP ? 



Regards, 

Wolf DL4YHF. 






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Hello Jan-Martin,



You wrote,

> Is it for Friedrichshafen the sort of "Scriptum der Vorträge" you have for Weinheim, München and other meeting?

<





Not really. Markus DF6NM has published the pictures with diagrams, schematics etc at



http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/ColourDF.htm



but there is no Scriptum yet (no large text portions but all presentation "foils").



In general about Friedrichshafen: There is nothing like the Weinheim scriptum (which is a large book) from the presentations in Friedrichshafen, because the subjects range from "YL-meeting", "IOTA", "The sun near the end of a sunspot cycle", etc. Not too many technical subjects so the LF meeting was a nice exception, IMVHO ;)



BTW The mail from Hans DK8ND never reached me via reflector (only qouted in Jan-Martin's mail) so I seem to be losing incoming mail. Does anyone else experience this problem, or is it related to my ISP ?



Regards,

 Wolf DL4YHF.

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Is it for Friedrichshafen the sort of "Scriptum der Vorträge" you have for Weinheim, München and other meeting?

73 es tschüss
Jan-Martin
LA8AK
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hans-Albrecht Haffa [mailto:dk8nd@gmx.de]
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Lieber Markus,
danke für Deinen informativen Vortrag in Friedrichshafen, den DK7SU und ich
nicht ganz zu Ende gehört haben.  Bitte könntest Du Deine Ergebnisse für uns
veröffentlichen.
Meine Fragen: Wie empfindlich muß der Empfänger sein? Welche Bandbreite ist
sinnvoll ( 2,1 kHz, 2,7 kHz, 1,8 kHz oder besser ein 500 Hz-Filter?)? Läßt
sich ein qrp-SSB-Empfänger-Bausatz zum  schnellen Verwirklichen umbauen? 

55, Hans-Albrecht
DK 8 ND


> Dear LFers,
> 
> thanks to Wolf for the photographs of the Friedrichshafen meeting, and
> thanks 
> to all of you who were patient enough to follow my presentation about the 
> colour-spectrogram DF system. A web-sized version can now be viewed at
> 
> http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/ColourDF.htm
> 
> Feedback and discussions are very very welcome.
> 
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> 

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Lieber Markus,
danke für Deinen informativen Vortrag in Friedrichshafen, den DK7SU und ich
nicht ganz zu Ende gehört haben.  Bitte könntest Du Deine Ergebnisse für uns
veröffentlichen.
Meine Fragen: Wie empfindlich muß der Empfänger sein? Welche Bandbreite ist
sinnvoll ( 2,1 kHz, 2,7 kHz, 1,8 kHz oder besser ein 500 Hz-Filter?)? Läßt
sich ein qrp-SSB-Empfänger-Bausatz zum  schnellen Verwirklichen umbauen? 

55, Hans-Albrecht
DK 8 ND


> Dear LFers,
> 
> thanks to Wolf for the photographs of the Friedrichshafen meeting, and
> thanks 
> to all of you who were patient enough to follow my presentation about the 
> colour-spectrogram DF system. A web-sized version can now be viewed at
> 
> http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/ColourDF.htm
> 
> Feedback and discussions are very very welcome.
> 
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> 

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Jim,

> I was just transferring some recordings I made of SAQ onto a CD-ROM to
send
> to the station - when I noticed at the very end of the 1030utc broadcast,
> just before hearing the alternator note running down, somebody sent "de
> WA0AKG/SAQ". Did anyone else notice this? Was this WA0AKG's bid to
sidestep
> the FCC's decision not to allow LF amateur radio? I think we should be
> told...Maybe he will QSL...

The reason that the broadcast ended and the note tailed off was that the
U.S. operator brought down the Swedish power grid. We Yanks are just an LF
disaster waiting to happen. Fortunately, our goverment normally protects us.

John Andrews





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Dear LF Group,

I was just transferring some recordings I made of SAQ onto a CD-ROM to send 
to the station - when I noticed at the very end of the 1030utc broadcast, 
just before hearing the alternator note running down, somebody sent "de 
WA0AKG/SAQ". Did anyone else notice this? Was this WA0AKG's bid to sidestep 
the FCC's decision not to allow LF amateur radio? I think we should be 
told...Maybe he will QSL...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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John, W1TAG said:
-------------------------------
 It is occasionally useful to suggest to the newer readers of this reflector
that despite the advice given by G3KEV, significant fun and useful
 knowledge may be had by LF experimenters who have neither a large wallet or
a large
amount of real estate.
--------------------------------

Yes that is true. I5TGC's antenna system is probably the best example of
what can be done from a small QTH closely followed by the arrangement at
G3XDV.


Mal G3KEV said:
--------------------------------------
 Lots of real estate is not necessary for a 100 ft vertical antenna, about
 6ft x 6ft concrete base but the average telescopic tower base is about 1 sq
 ft. and does not require guys for wire antennas. One insulated radial
 running around the garden enclosure will work well. against a base loaded
or
 gamma matched mast...............
.............If you are happy with you crystal set why change.
 Any radio amateur serious about LF activities needs a farm or ranch of some
 sort!!!!!!!!

-------------------------------------

A bit of contadiction there.
A 100ft (33m) telescopic tower is not a sensible option for a small garden
for obvious reasons. Commercial towers for LF, were the tower itself is the
antenna element have to be insulated from ground at the base. For a
self-supporting structure this means  a tower structure similar to that used
by Decca. Otherwise it means guying. Gamma or Omega matching systems can be
used at 160m but are definitely not on at LF. How long would your matching
rod have to be do you think?
You need a lot of wire for a resonant insulated radial at 136kHz.

My suburban LF antenna has been described as a 'bit of wet string' by Mal
but it does seem to work OK.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO

e-mail 

Web 

>




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Dear LFers,



thanks to Wolf for the photographs of the Friedrichshafen meeting, and thanks to all of you who were patient enough to follow my presentation about the colour-spectrogram DF system. A web-sized version can now be viewed at



http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/ColourDF/ColourDF.htm



Feedback and discussions are very very welcome.



73 de Markus, DF6NM



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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Andrews" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 8:27 PM
Subject: LF: Re: SAQ


> >I resonated my 90m loop for the event whereas others probably used odd
bits
> of wire and hoped for the best!!!!! Perhaps they will tell us if this is
> incorrect. <
>
> It is occasionally useful to suggest to the newer readers of this
reflector
> that despite the advice given by G3KEV, significant fun and useful
knowledge
> may be had by LF experimenters who have neither a large wallet or a large
> amount of real estate.

Hi John
Lots of real estate is not necessary for a 100 ft vertical antenna, about
6ft x 6ft concrete base but the average telescopic tower base is about 1 sq
ft. and does not require guys for wire antennas. One insulated radial
running around the garden enclosure will work well. against a base loaded or
gamma matched mast.

 You may not attain his level of success and
> proficiency, but you can certainly have an enjoyable time while possibly
> making some contribution to the art.

If you are happy with you crystal set why change.
Any radio amateur serious about LF activities needs a farm or ranch of some
sort!!!!!!!!
G3KEV

>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
>
>
>




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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ


> At 18:28 01/07/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> >In ref to Ian's comment about receiving SAQ. I would be surprised if I
> >could not copy this signal on 17.2 khz because of my antenna system. I
> >resonated my 90m loop for the event whereas others probably used odd bits
> >of wire and hoped for the best!!!!! Perhaps they will tell us if this is
> >incorrect.
> >I also have a proper LF RX Hagenuk EE 430 10 - 30000 Khz plus two
> >Pegelmessers W & G and Siemens dedicated for LF activities. I also have
> >space diversity facilites using at present 2 antennas, the 90 m loop and
> >the vertical array, both resonated at the frequency required.
>
> The SAQ signal is of the order of 100s 0f uV/m over much of Europe - so it
> is quite a strong signal, and can still be received if the antenna and RX
> are far from optimum. The usual limiting factor is the high noise level in
> this frequency range - for more distant stations, QRN can reach 100uV/m or
> more in CW bandwidth at this time of year. Local interference is a more
> severe limitation at times - for some reason, my washing machine generates
> the equivalent of several mV/m of noise in the mains wiring around the
> house, so has to be switched off during SAQ broadcasts. If you read the
> various reports, QRM and QRN were the factors preventing reception, not
> antenna/receiver performance - it would seem the vast majority of people
> who tried were able to receive at least parts of the broadcasts.
Jim
If this is the case why was I the only one to copy the entire message as far
as I know. I was getting the same QRN etc that you mention. You forgot to
mention the X factor Operator expertise, that helps as well as the proper
tools for the job like a suitable RX and antennas.
Working under excellent conditions you are correct, anything will work, like
the proverbial wet string, but on HF/LF where propogation and environmental
conditions are more often not good,  then to achieve the object only those
with the best installations succeed. Its all hard dedicated work but
satisfying in the end.
G3KEV



>
> On Sunday, I got good reception on my electro-mechanical RX, using the
> usual 40m inverted L wire. This has "gain" of -20dB between the antenna
and
> the headphones, but the QRN was clearly audible in the background under
the
> signal. I also used a 2m x 2m un-tuned loop and preamp, and a tuned
ferrite
> rod antenna, with perfectly good results from conventional receivers. In
> the past, I have used various odd bits of wire, down to about 2m long -
> provided these are tuned somewhere near resonance, ample signal is
> obtained. Longer bits of wire don't even need to be resonant, allthough
> some sort of low-pas filtering is very desireable. Active whips should
also
> work fine - provided you don't live in Brookmans Park! Just about anything
> capable of detecting a few 10's of uV at 17.2kHz, and rejecting adjacent
> frequencies can be used as a receiver - try listening to the excellent
> recording KK7KA made with a loop antenna and a sound-card.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>




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On Tuesday 01 July 2003 13:22, James Moritz wrote:
> Dear Valerio, LF Group,
>
> At 20:08 30/06/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> >i also tried to listen to SAQ on Sunday morning around 8:30 UTC, but with
> > my great surprise i heard a strong RTTY station at 17.2 kHz.
> >I use a RACAL 1772 receiver
>
> Perhaps a silly suggestion, but a mistake I have made more than once...:-)
> The RA1772 in CW mode displays a frequency 1kHz lower than the actual
> receive frequency - so to receive SAQ you have to tune the RA1772 to
> 16.2kHz. If the display reads 17.2k, you will be receiving the data sigs
> around 18.3kHz.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU

Jim,
yes i made a stupid mistake, i usually use TS-940 in CW so i forgot that 
RA1772 use only SSB and the display shows the zero hertz beat frequency.
I walked around a couple of kilohertz, but probably i was too fast and 
impatient.

Thanks for info, '73 Valerio IK5ZPV 



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On Monday 30 June 2003 23:24, Alberto di Bene wrote:
> valerio gabbani wrote:
> >Geri and all,
> >i also tried to listen to SAQ on Sunday morning around 8:30 UTC, but with
> > my great surprise i heard a strong RTTY station at 17.2 kHz.
> >I use a RACAL 1772 receiver with the long antenna for 137 kHz without
> >preselector, so may be the RTTY station was an image, i had to investigate
> >it.
>
> Valerio,
>   at about 18.3 kHz there is a military station located at the Tavolara
> island, near Sardinia.
> It sounds like RTTY, and here it is quite strong, I can receive it by
> just connecting an indoor
> small loop directly to the sound card input.
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD

Alberto,
Thanks for the info, did you know also the antenna system used ?
'73, Valerio IK5ZPV



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At 18:28 01/07/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>In ref to Ian's comment about receiving SAQ. I would be surprised if I 
>could not copy this signal on 17.2 khz because of my antenna system. I 
>resonated my 90m loop for the event whereas others probably used odd bits 
>of wire and hoped for the best!!!!! Perhaps they will tell us if this is 
>incorrect.
>I also have a proper LF RX Hagenuk EE 430 10 - 30000 Khz plus two 
>Pegelmessers W & G and Siemens dedicated for LF activities. I also have 
>space diversity facilites using at present 2 antennas, the 90 m loop and 
>the vertical array, both resonated at the frequency required.

The SAQ signal is of the order of 100s 0f uV/m over much of Europe - so it 
is quite a strong signal, and can still be received if the antenna and RX 
are far from optimum. The usual limiting factor is the high noise level in 
this frequency range - for more distant stations, QRN can reach 100uV/m or 
more in CW bandwidth at this time of year. Local interference is a more 
severe limitation at times - for some reason, my washing machine generates 
the equivalent of several mV/m of noise in the mains wiring around the 
house, so has to be switched off during SAQ broadcasts. If you read the 
various reports, QRM and QRN were the factors preventing reception, not 
antenna/receiver performance - it would seem the vast majority of people 
who tried were able to receive at least parts of the broadcasts.

On Sunday, I got good reception on my electro-mechanical RX, using the 
usual 40m inverted L wire. This has "gain" of -20dB between the antenna and 
the headphones, but the QRN was clearly audible in the background under the 
signal. I also used a 2m x 2m un-tuned loop and preamp, and a tuned ferrite 
rod antenna, with perfectly good results from conventional receivers. In 
the past, I have used various odd bits of wire, down to about 2m long - 
provided these are tuned somewhere near resonance, ample signal is 
obtained. Longer bits of wire don't even need to be resonant, allthough 
some sort of low-pas filtering is very desireable. Active whips should also 
work fine - provided you don't live in Brookmans Park! Just about anything 
capable of detecting a few 10's of uV at 17.2kHz, and rejecting adjacent 
frequencies can be used as a receiver - try listening to the excellent 
recording KK7KA made with a loop antenna and a sound-card.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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I wonder if some of the LFers work on the efficiencies of small antennas
might qualify.

Andy  G4JNT



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 2003 July 01 19:38
To: Talbot Andrew
Subject: [IEE Events] IEE Measurement Prize


Do you know someone who has carried out novel or outstanding work in the
field 
of electrical or electromagnetic measurement?  
If so, they could be eligible to apply for the 2003 IEE Measurement Prize.

The Prize is awarded annually and is sponsored by the National Physical 
Laboratory.  This year the prize money has been doubled to £1,000 and 
the winner(s) will also receive a certificate and a medal.  The closing date

for nominations is 31 July 2003 and the prize will be presented at the 
Wheatstone Measurement Event on 10 December 2003 at Savoy Place, London.

Individuals or groups may nominate themselves or be put forward by a third
party   
Full details of eligibility and a nomination form can be found at 
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You are correct John,, But no one can contribute


as much Hot Air


 


( G )    HAR


just a bit of sport there Mal


 


Bob  K3DJC


 


> 
> It is occasionally useful to suggest to the newer readers of 
this 
> reflector
> that despite the advice given by G3KEV, 
significant fun and useful 
> knowledge
> may be had by LF 
experimenters who have neither a large wallet or a 
> large
> amount 
of real estate. You may not attain his level of success and
> proficiency, 
but you can certainly have an enjoyable time while 
> possibly
> 
making some contribution to the art.
> 
> John Andrews, 
W1TAG
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


 




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Hi all, for those unfortunate enough not to be able to join our recent visit
to Rugby GBR I have mounted a page on my web site linked to the end of the
"History" article showing how to make an SWR meter for 1.5MW at 16kHz. I was
lucky enough to rescue the transformer from the waste skip.as we were
leaving ( with the approval of out  host!)  One large Merc was definitely
down on its rear springs as we drove out, carefully, over the speed humps !!

The direct URL is
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aecurxfm.htm

The photos are reasonably high definition so do take a while to download if
you have a slow connection. Note, not a piece of ferrite in sight.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com





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>I resonated my 90m loop for the event whereas others probably used odd bits
of wire and hoped for the best!!!!! Perhaps they will tell us if this is
incorrect. <

It is occasionally useful to suggest to the newer readers of this reflector
that despite the advice given by G3KEV, significant fun and useful knowledge
may be had by LF experimenters who have neither a large wallet or a large
amount of real estate. You may not attain his level of success and
proficiency, but you can certainly have an enjoyable time while possibly
making some contribution to the art.

John Andrews, W1TAG





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Hi group

Some of you might be interested in this :

Walter G3JKV.


From: Marsh, Pete CDR
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:22 PM
To:  <..>
Subject: Retiring the Sparks at CAMSPAC - Frequencies and QSL Information


To "watch" tomorrow's Retiring the Sparks special event in realtime, click
here:
        www.uscg.mil/camspac/qsl.asp
(the permissions on this site will only be active from 0600 PDT 1 July until
1800 PDT 2 July, so you'll receive an error message if you visit the site
before tomorrow morning).

This web page is a front end to a database that will collect QSL's
(acknowledgments of receipt) from stations around the world that hear our
commemorative Morse Code broadcast.  Tune up your receiver and listen for
us; if you hear it, please let us know by entering your QSL here. We hope to
see several hundred QSL's show up on the website by the end of the
afternoon, from locations near and far!  We hope you can hear our CW
emission on 8 megs, but if you can't, then try one of the four voice freqs
listed below.  Please note the important update on the frequencies where
we'll be transmitting:

MF:   448 and 500 kHz (This is a correction from the previous announcement,
which read 488)
HF:    CW on 8574 kHz
         RATT on 9373 kHz
         voice on following four freqs: 4426, 8764, 13089, 17314

Several stations will be listening on these freq's, and then QSL'ing on
their own authorized freq's:
8650        NOJ (CG CommSta Kodiak, AK)
426          KPH
8642        KPH
6477.5     KPH
12808.5   KPH
17016.8   KPH
8445.5     WLO/KLB
12660      WLO/KLB

Finally, we've been getting great help spreading the word about this from
several communities of telecomms professionals and amateurs.  If you're a
member of any interested group, please forward this announcement so that
they may join us tomorrow morning.  Here's an article that appeared on
military.com; you can read it by either following this link or opening the
email below.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent?file=uscg1_062003&ESRC=coastguard-a.nl

73's,

CDR Pete Marsh, USCG
Commanding Officer
CG Communications Area Master Station Pacific
17000 Sir Francis Drake Blvd (PO Box 560)
Pt Reyes Station, CA 94956-0560
24hr opcen 415.669.2047
pmarsh@d11.uscg.mil
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In ref to Ian's comment about receiving SAQ. I 
would be surprised if I could not copy this signal on 17.2 khz because of my 
antenna system. I resonated my 90m loop for the event whereas others probably 
used odd bits of wire and hoped for the best!!!!! Perhaps they will tell us if 
this is incorrect. 


I also have a proper LF RX Hagenuk EE 430 10 - 
30000 Khz plus two Pegelmessers W & G and Siemens dedicated for LF 
activities. I also have space diversity facilites using at present 2 antennas, 
the 90 m loop and the vertical array, both resonated at the frequency required. 



For a reception report to be meaningful, the 
antenna system and RX needs to be specified, otherwise it is misleading 
information to the transmitting source 


 


My report and a copy of the message received has 
been sent to the SAQ email address as specified, and I await 
a QSL


Surely I am not the only one around EU that was 
able to copy the message. 


I am anxiously awaiting to hear signals from 
further afield like the USA and beyond. During the recent African listening 
activity I was able to hear and see the Russian stations during daylight hours, 
as I previously reported. The distance around 3000 kms. The signals were just as 
strong as during the winter period. 


73 de Mal/G3KEV


 


 


73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH


 


 


 


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Hallo Wolf and all,


        thanks Wolf for your quick 
work. Sorry that you could not take pictures from Rainer, DK7SU and Hans, DK8ND. 
They were there, but had to leave earlier to get their train to 
Stuttgart.


       Rainer 
proposed we should begin our meeting one or two hours earlier because of the 
"eyeball QSOs" and have more time for discussions - more open end. I 
will talk to Hartmut DL1VDL to realize that.


So we look back to an interesting ( also hot and 
humid ) HAMRADIO 2003 and look forward to the HAMRADIO 2004.


73 Walter DJ2LF


 



    
-----Ursprüngliche 
    Nachricht-----
Von: DL4YHF@aol.com <DL4YHF@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
    <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: 
    Montag, 30. Juni 2003 21:49
Betreff: LF: Photos of the LF 
    meeting in Friedrichshafen

Dear all, 

Some photographs of the 
    LF meeting at the Ham Radio fair in Friedrichshafen are now available at: 
    

http://homepages.compuserve.de/WoBuescher/lf2003/index.html 
    

Special thanks to Walter DJ2LF and Markus DF6NM for the interesting 
    presentation of the direction finder, to John G3WKL for the cold beer, and 
    to everyone else who joined for an eyeball-QSO, and 
"including but 
    not limited to" : OM2TW, DK3GH, G3YSX, G3GRO and companions . 
    

Hope you returned home safely and made many contacts on the 
    farewell-73-kHz-party ! 

Regards, 
Wolf  DL4YHF. 
    


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Dear Andy, LF group,

At 13:45 01/07/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>RU Sure ???
>
>The RA1792 (the following model from the 1772  perhaps) displays the actual
>frequency at the middle of the filter passband, then generates an audio

Yes - well, it certainly is on mine anyway... The 1772 predates 
microcontrollers, and is completely different in design from the 1792, 
although some parts have clearly been cribbed for the later design. Racal 
have opted for a fixed BFO frequency in all modes centered at the 1.4MHz IF 
centre frequency, with separate USB and LSB filters for SSB/ISB. CW 
reception is actually in USB mode, with narrower filters with passband 
centres offset by 1kHz from the BFO frequency... whatever mode you select, 
the displayed frequency is the one at which the input signal will be 
zero-beat with the BFO, and so outside the filter passband with narrow 
bandwidths. The display board has buckets of TTL and stuff - I expect the 
designers thought correcting the display for different modes was too much 
trouble. But so you are not stuck with a fixed 1kHz audio tone, they 
provided a rather drifty variable analogue BFO as well. A little 
idiosyncratic, you might say!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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There are certainly some oddities about LF and VLF. Reading about all the
'NIL' reports makes me wonder what happened on Sunday morning.

Because I had never heard SAQ I got my Datong convertor back from GI3NYJ
(the other GI 73KHz NOV holder who never got active) to see what could be
done.

Although I had everything 'wound up tight' for 73KHz ,  6500pF of silver
mica was clipped across the loading coil and the antenna feed taken to the
Datong working into the FT707 with a 500Hz filter. The noise and QRN was
peaking S9 and I left the setup running while having a delayed breakfast in
in the kitchen. Imagine my surprise when at 0820 I heard 'V..V..V' and then
the SAQ identifier. Adjustments were made and at the time of the message
start the signal was well up over the noise and was Q5 copy - just my Morse
was too rusty to copy  all the message and things were reset for 73 KHz.
For the 1030 transmission I simply transferred the 73KHz antenna lead from
the 850 to the Datong, and the signal was still Q5 copy although down an S
point or two. However the noise was down even more so the results were very
satisfactory. I did not listen to all this transmission, or to any
subsequent ones so cannot comment.
This experience runs counter to the reports from around Europe but squares
pretty tolerably with what Mal reported.

Ducting??  ;-))

Sorry I had to cut and run last night but  when these fatigue attacks strike
there's only one thing for it.
Am particularly happy for Mike and Peter that things worked out that they
were the last as well as the first.

It has been great fun even when hair tearing, and I have decided to leave
the 'cats cradle' in the air through the winter season and do a bit of
136-ing
even tho' 73 was always the target.

My thanks to all for the unstinting help and encouragement that took me
through the dark bits and made it all so enjoyable.

73,

Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ




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RU Sure ???

The RA1792 (the following model from the 1772  perhaps) displays the actual 
frequency at the middle of the filter passband, then generates an audio 
frequency output as defined by the BFO setting, up to +/- 8kHz adjustable in 
10Hz steps.

It is on SSB where you need to tune 1kHz lower, and then the RA1792 allows you 
to use teh narrow filters and has passband tuning where what was the BFO 
readout now becomes an offset in the audio band.

Andy  G4JNT


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Dear Valerio, LF Group,

At 20:08 30/06/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>i also tried to listen to SAQ on Sunday morning around 8:30 UTC, but with my
>great surprise i heard a strong RTTY station at 17.2 kHz.
>I use a RACAL 1772 receiver

Perhaps a silly suggestion, but a mistake I have made more than once...:-)
The RA1772 in CW mode displays a frequency 1kHz lower than the actual
receive frequency - so to receive SAQ you have to tune the RA1772 to
16.2kHz. If the display reads 17.2k, you will be receiving the data sigs
around 18.3kHz.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Dear Valerio, LF Group,

At 20:08 30/06/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>i also tried to listen to SAQ on Sunday morning around 8:30 UTC, but with my
>great surprise i heard a strong RTTY station at 17.2 kHz.
>I use a RACAL 1772 receiver

Perhaps a silly suggestion, but a mistake I have made more than once...:-) 
The RA1772 in CW mode displays a frequency 1kHz lower than the actual 
receive frequency - so to receive SAQ you have to tune the RA1772 to 
16.2kHz. If the display reads 17.2k, you will be receiving the data sigs 
around 18.3kHz.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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On Sunday I had a pre-arranged QSO with G3YGF over the grand distance of 7.2km! 
 Julian had an NoV but had never transmitted on teh band.  In 1997 with me 
transmitting we raised the distance (for one way) from 20 to 100km by G3YGF 
progressivly driving further away during the day, using audible CW.  Shortly 
after that I started on the SLowCW route since it was obvious this was the 
normal limit of my transmitting system.

On Sunday, G3YGF quickly put up a loop of Litz wire of somthing like a 10m 
'diameter' polygon, and resonated this feeding in 10 Watts of RF from an old 
audio amplifier.  I used  Spectran  receive this with 15dB S/N in 4 Hz, and 
copied the 'MidCW' when he hand keyed at 1s dot period.  Needless to say his 
copy of my 100 Watts to the Tee antenna presented no problems.

Had G3YGF still been living at his original QTH where he first heard me in 
April 1997 for possibly the first home statio to home station one way - this 
would have completed that QSO six years later!

Andy  G4JNT




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Dear LF Group,

In the last hours of the 73kHz band, I had contacts with MI0AYZ, G3AQC,
G3LDO and finally G3XDV, before watching the final QSO on the band between
G3XDV and G3LDO - very fitting to see the stations who had the first 2-way
contact on the band  also have the last.

G3XDV was also my first QSO on the band about 3 1/2 years ago in January
2000. At that time, opinion seemed to be that 73k was a bit of a dead duck
because of the QRM from Rugby, the general fearsome noise levels and
hopeless antenna efficiency, and the band at that time being due for
withdrawal in June 2000. However, looking through my log book whilst
transmitting beacon signals last night, I find my final tally was about 90
QSOs of various sorts, including 15 stations in 4 countries in 2-way 73kHz
contacts, 15 stations in 10 countries in cross-band 73k/136k contacts, one
(G3WKL) 136k/73k cross-band contact, and 3 other stations heard but not
worked on the band. I was also involved in /P operations at Puckeridge and
Porthcurno. I spent a lot of time transmitting beacon-type signals - the
most distant report was from W4DEX in 2001. 73kHz also played an important
part in my LF antenna experiments; having roughly an octave of frequency
separation from 136k was useful in looking at how antenna performance
changed with frequency. The propagation on 73k also gave tantalizing hints
that it was a different animal from 136k, but it is taking a long time to
figure 136k out, and in the end time ran out for 73k.

So, all in all, well worth the effort, and I am sad to see the band go.
Although there did not seem to be any possibility of extending amateur
operations on 73 kHz further, hopefully in the future there will be other
amateur operations down here at the bottom end of the radio spectrum, which
I look forward to.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Dear LF Group,

In the last hours of the 73kHz band, I had contacts with MI0AYZ, G3AQC, 
G3LDO and finally G3XDV, before watching the final QSO on the band between 
G3XDV and G3LDO - very fitting to see the stations who had the first 2-way 
contact on the band  also have the last.

G3XDV was also my first QSO on the band about 3 1/2 years ago in January 
2000. At that time, opinion seemed to be that 73k was a bit of a dead duck 
because of the QRM from Rugby, the general fearsome noise levels and 
hopeless antenna efficiency, and the band at that time being due for 
withdrawal in June 2000. However, looking through my log book whilst 
transmitting beacon signals last night, I find my final tally was about 90 
QSOs of various sorts, including 15 stations in 4 countries in 2-way 73kHz 
contacts, 15 stations in 10 countries in cross-band 73k/136k contacts, one 
(G3WKL) 136k/73k cross-band contact, and 3 other stations heard but not 
worked on the band. I was also involved in /P operations at Puckeridge and 
Porthcurno. I spent a lot of time transmitting beacon-type signals - the 
most distant report was from W4DEX in 2001. 73kHz also played an important 
part in my LF antenna experiments; having roughly an octave of frequency 
separation from 136k was useful in looking at how antenna performance 
changed with frequency. The propagation on 73k also gave tantalizing hints 
that it was a different animal from 136k, but it is taking a long time to 
figure 136k out, and in the end time ran out for 73k.

So, all in all, well worth the effort, and I am sad to see the band go. 
Although there did not seem to be any possibility of extending amateur 
operations on 73 kHz further, hopefully in the future there will be other 
amateur operations down here at the bottom end of the radio spectrum, which 
I look forward to.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Laurie said


> Had a good last evening on 73, QRN was pretty bad. Spent some time looking
> for MI0AYZ,  sorry we did'nt make it Ian. Saw Peters QSO and captured part
> of Ians transmission,see attachment
> Finally had short QSO's with Jim and Peter, so not a bad end to 73 but
wish
> we could have had another winter season, and some more T/A . Sorry I
did'nt
> hear Dave or Mike.

I was lucky. There was QSB on the signal and towards the end Ian's signal
dropped. I was really pleased to make this QSO because of all the effort Ian
had made to get the 73kHz station working.
Signal strengths down so that even M0BMU (normally 599) was only 569 when he
was in QSO with G3XDV. I managed to QSO with Mike at 2340z by asking him to
go QRSS3 and we had a cross mode QSO, see attachment.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO

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The final 73kHz weekend was busy and a bit emotional for those of us that
have stayed the course for several years. I believe that seven stations were
transmitting: G3XDV, G3LDO, G3AQC, G3YXM, M0BMU, G4JNT and MI0AYZ. In
addition, G3NYK was monitoring and posting Spectran screens on his web site
(thanks, Alan) and DK0KW and CT1DRP were listening. QRN was very bad, except
early morning, and the SMPSUs proved a big problem to most.

Over the weekend, I worked four stations, but could not be heard by MI0AYZ
and did not hear G4JNT. Peter, G3LDO, and I had the very last QSO, ending
just as my LF-locked clock changed to 0000 UTC, which was fitting as we made
the very first two-way on LF - over an amazing 400m (that's metres, not
miles!).

Anyone who managed to radiate on 73kHz over the band's seven year life
achieved something because it was a difficult band to use. Personal
achievements were: the first ever LF QSO (with G3LDO); the first ever QRSS
two-way (with G4JNT), the only station to operate from GW; the only GW-GU
QSO. I worked 13 different stations, two-way, with a record 5 countries. I
was also heard/seen by several others, including those in PA, DL, HB and I.
A gotaway was the transatlantic.

Other 73kHz highlights were working the expeditions to GD, GW and GM by
G0MRF, G3XTZ and G3YXM, and being part of the expedition to the Puckeridge
Decca site. The most amazing weekend was when I put my station in the car,
drove 450km to west Wales, operated from GW4HXO's QTH in gale-force winds to
work GU0MRF, then drove back home to rebuild the station just in time to be
the last 73kHz QSO of the GU expedition.

Lowlights were waiting over a year before I had my second QSO, and several
fires!

I am sure others will have similar stories to tell, especially those who
made it across the 'pond'.

It was great seven years and I am pleased to have been close to a part of
amateur radio history.

I have already written a short piece for next Sunday's RSGB news bulletin
and am preparing an article for RadCom over the next couple of weeks. I am
keen to hear from anyone who tried 73kHz, even as a listener. Stories,
spectrograms and photographs would be most welcome, as will URLs of 73kHz
info. Also, does anyone have the statistics of the number of NoV's issued?

Thanks, guys.

73

Mike, G3XDV
http://www.lf.thersgb.net
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Had a good last evening on 73, QRN was pretty bad. Spent some time looking
for MI0AYZ,  sorry we did'nt make it Ian. Saw Peters QSO and captured part
of Ians transmission,see attachment
Finally had short QSO's with Jim and Peter, so not a bad end to 73 but wish
we could have had another winter season, and some more T/A . Sorry I did'nt
hear Dave or Mike.
CU all, on 136 I guess.  73 Laurie,

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Mike, Peter, Jim, Laurie, Ian, Andy and all 73kHz ops.

G3YXM is QRT on 73kHz band as of 2240, noise level too high to hear anyone
I'm afraid.
Have a nice QSO party if you manage it.
It's been good fun even if my glasses did give me a shock when I went to see
how much corona was coming off the wet loading coil!
I shall miss 73kHz but perhaps I won't have so many burned-out insulators
without it...

Dave G3YXM.





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Thanks QSO Peter, I should have curtailed the calls more, but the dits
confirmed things. I am sorry Laurie, but I am absolutely whacked and must
get to bed before total collapse sets in.

It is only fitting that those who started on the band should be the ones to
see it decently interred, and I would love to be part of the net but am much
too far out on the fringes to take any significant part.

Sic transit 73 KHz, the party is over and I simply have to call it a day.

73 to all on 73.

Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ




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I suggest that those of us around in the closing minutes of the 73kHz band
have a short net just below 72.0kHz, starting around 2345 UTC. As one half
of the first ever two-way QSO on the band (with Peter, G3LDO) I am keen to
be part of the last ever one.

If anyone has Jim's phone number, can they alert him please? He doesn't have
e-mail at home.

Mike
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