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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22506 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 21:07:40 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 21:07:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 28379 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 21:07:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 21:07:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18eiND-0004Ox-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:06:55 +0000 Received: from [195.110.100.2] (helo=mail.dada.it) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18eiND-0004On-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:06:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 4720 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 21:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cestag) (195.110.102.32) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 21:06:21 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c2c96c$d36ecc60$20666ec3@cestag> From: "cesare tagliabue" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2a79b$175dfc00$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> <002f01c2a7a2$18434ec0$28676ec3@cestag> <000b01c2c93b$6d8ce980$0bc828c3@erica> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:07:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: R: Re: R: I5TGC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Peter Obviously you can use my web page as source of informations about my antennas, I'll search in my PC for any possible further useful pictures or schematics, may be there are some high resolution images, I'll send what I find as soon as possible. Best 73 for now Cesare Cesare Tagliabue I 5 TGC WW-Loc JN53PS e-mail: cestag@dada.it url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: "g3ldo" A: Data invio: venerdì 31 gennaio 2003 16.11 Oggetto: LF: Re: R: I5TGC > Hello Cesare > > I write a column each month for the RSGB magazine, RadCom, called > 'Antennas'. I often get letters from readers who ask 'what is the best > commercial antenna to use if you have only a small garden or no garden at > all and talk about the impossability of operating on the lower frequency > bands from such a QTH. > I would like to describe your lower frequency antennas as an example of what > can be done to overcome these difficulties. > I would like to use the description from your web page (or any other > information that you might have). Do you have some higher resolution images > that could be used. In general a .JPG image needs to be over 100k in size to > be reproduced in a magazine. > > Many thanks > > > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28032 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 19:13:29 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 19:13:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 26886 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Jan 2003 19:13:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 19:13:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18egan-0003kO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:12:49 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.21] (helo=mailout10.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18egam-0003kF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:12:48 +0000 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18egal-0001Ou-03; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:12:47 +0100 Received: from oben (520036610031-0001@[217.226.120.59]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18egac-0T0vx2C; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:12:38 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c2c95c$b8bb6be0$ee9bfea9@oben> From: "dj9dw" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:12:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520036610031-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2C965.1A3F6F80" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJ_MISSING,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2C965.1A3F6F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LF-Group, is there any formula to calculate a basket weave coil ( to load my = marconi in spe) ? Suppose 3 mH will be handy. 73, dj9dw, Peter. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2C965.1A3F6F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello LF-Group,
is there any formula to calculate a = basket weave=20 coil ( to load my marconi in spe) ?
Suppose 3 mH will be = handy.
73, dj9dw, Peter.
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2C965.1A3F6F80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22460 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 17:31:15 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 17:31:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 2075 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 17:31:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 17:31:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18eeza-0003Ar-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:30:18 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18eezZ-0003Ai-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:30:17 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18eezZ-0002Gn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:30:17 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c2c94e$8efe7cb0$1b00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05AB6@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:31:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: R: I5TGC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false gifs are smaller for areas of solid colour, like diagrams. Jpegs are smaller for photos. Dave G3YXM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: R: I5TGC well, gif type files are smaller, don't really understand why it should be jpg? 73, Jan-Martin --- J M Nøding, Kristiansand -----Original Message----- From: g3ldo [mailto:g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk] Sent: 31. januar 2003 16:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: R: I5TGC Hello Cesare I write a column each month for the RSGB magazine, RadCom, called 'Antennas'. I often get letters from readers who ask 'what is the best commercial antenna to use if you have only a small garden or no garden at all and talk about the impossability of operating on the lower frequency bands from such a QTH. I would like to describe your lower frequency antennas as an example of what can be done to overcome these difficulties. I would like to use the description from your web page (or any other information that you might have). Do you have some higher resolution images that could be used. In general a .JPG image needs to be over 100k in size to be reproduced in a magazine. Many thanks Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16965 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 16:32:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 16:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 16156 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 16:32:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 16:32:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ee4j-0002oe-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:31:33 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-in.online.no) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ee4i-0002oU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:31:32 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:31:01 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:31:00 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:31:00 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.101]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:31:00 +0100 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:30:59 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05AB6@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: Re: R: I5TGC Thread-Index: AcLJPVxEpOPCBAj7Qs+otWl9EYNLZwABpyeQ From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: la8ak@online.no X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2003 16:31:00.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[237F1560:01C2C946] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RE: Re: R: I5TGC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060203000909060509070307" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060203000909060509070307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit well, gif type files are smaller, don't really understand why it should be jpg? 73, Jan-Martin --- J M Nøding, Kristiansand -----Original Message----- From: g3ldo [mailto:g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk] Sent: 31. januar 2003 16:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: R: I5TGC Hello Cesare I write a column each month for the RSGB magazine, RadCom, called 'Antennas'. I often get letters from readers who ask 'what is the best commercial antenna to use if you have only a small garden or no garden at all and talk about the impossability of operating on the lower frequency bands from such a QTH. I would like to describe your lower frequency antennas as an example of what can be done to overcome these difficulties. I would like to use the description from your web page (or any other information that you might have). Do you have some higher resolution images that could be used. In general a .JPG image needs to be over 100k in size to be reproduced in a magazine. 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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:31:48 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ed8t-0002Se-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:31:47 +0000 Received: from [62.21.138.95] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ed8r-0002fn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:31:46 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030131161232.00a14980@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:18:38 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Magazine articles on LF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: 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Practical Wireless of January 2003 contains the following article:

"Rugby Radio - Serving Britain For 75 Years", by Stan Brown, G4LU.

In RadCom of February 2003 you will find:

"A Class-D Transmitter for 136kHz"; The concluding part of the 300W design by David Bowman, G0MRF.

73, Dick, PA0SE

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28431 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 15:17:07 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 15:17:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 10075 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2003 15:17:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2003 15:17:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ecpE-0002K7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:11:28 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ecpD-0002Jy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:11:27 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-11.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.11] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ecp8-000Os9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:11:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2c93b$6d8ce980$0bc828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2a79b$175dfc00$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> <002f01c2a7a2$18434ec0$28676ec3@cestag> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:11:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: R: I5TGC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Cesare I write a column each month for the RSGB magazine, RadCom, called 'Antennas'. I often get letters from readers who ask 'what is the best commercial antenna to use if you have only a small garden or no garden at all and talk about the impossability of operating on the lower frequency bands from such a QTH. I would like to describe your lower frequency antennas as an example of what can be done to overcome these difficulties. I would like to use the description from your web page (or any other information that you might have). Do you have some higher resolution images that could be used. In general a .JPG image needs to be over 100k in size to be reproduced in a magazine. Many thanks Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9130 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2003 19:55:14 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Jan 2003 19:55:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15386 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Jan 2003 19:55:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2003 19:55:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18dyHk-0002gV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:54:12 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18dyHk-0002gM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:54:12 +0000 Received: from host213-122-3-150.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.3.150] helo=lap42) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18dyHi-0002TB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:54:10 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:54:41 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <007401c2c7a8$c7a4e1a0$02000a0a@user> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Re: IARU Region 1 position on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Arnie, nice to hear from you again and your comments on 500kHz are welcome. I think that we all recognise that it's not yet quite the time to expect to get an allocation at this part of the spectrum, however, that shouldn't cause us not to prepare and see if there are some small areas where we might gain some sort of agreement to undertake some experiments. I think we all agree that it would prove an interesting frequency between 1.8MHz and 136kHz. Re. you interest in trying to secure a 136kHz allocation prior to WRC03. I should be in the position to help you with information of which Region 1 countries have implemented CEPT/ERC Recommendation 62-01 E (Mainz 1997), however, I don't have a complete list. I have posted this reply to the reflector in the hope that someone on the reflector can help us by providing a list or pointing to a URL. The other point that I would stress is that the IARU Region 1 discussion on 500kHz made it quite clear that they would not want to press for anything at 500kHz prior or at WRC03; the IARU will only consider the 500kHz Working Group's recommendations after WRC03. I have note your interest in receiving status/updates of the Working Group's activity, which I am sure will not be a problem. 73 John, G3WKL > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Prof. Arnaldo > Coro Antich > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 13:27 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Cc: John W Gould > Subject: LF: Re: IARU Region 1 position on 500kHz > > > Dear John: > We have heard about similar interests related to an allocation around 500 > kHz. But I must advise that many Third World nations are still using that > segment of the spectrum for maritime communications. > Recent efforts to try to obtain a 600 meters band assignment by > amateurs in > neighboring countries came to a standstill when their telecommunications > administrations replied that this was not possible because the segment was > still in use for maritime communications. > It would be very interesting and useful to have access to any > documentation > that Region I and Region III IARU coordinators may have, in order to > approach our telecommunications administration regarding the preparations > for the upcoming WARC 2003 to take place in Geneva later this year. > I believe that one solid argument backing the request would be > the succesful > use of the 136 kiloHertz band by amateurs in many different countries, and > along that line, I would like to request information regarding > the number of > countries in Region I already authorized to operate on 136 > kiloHertz at this > moment. > We Cuban amateurs are trying to obtain our 136 kiloHertz band before WARC > 2003 takes place, and would like to have the 600 meters assignment too !!! > My personal experience participating at ITU conferences is that > this efforts > require great coordination and to be worked well in advance of the actual > WARC 2003.... > 73 and DX > YOur friend in Havana > CO2KK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W Gould" > To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" > Cc: "HF. Chairman List Member" ; "Vk4du@Gmdss. > Com. Au" > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:24 AM > Subject: LF: IARU Region 1 position on 500kHz > > > > My apologies for not bringing to this group's attention before > the outcome > > of a discussion of the RSGB paper on 500kHz, at the San Marino Region 1 > > Conference. AMRAD have usefully summarised the position with the > following > > in their Jan-Feb 2003 Newsletter, which I quote with their agreement: > > > > "G3PSM chaired a working group of ON7ZV, PA0SHY, PA0AWN, ZL2AMJ > and G4OUT. > > The result was the adoption of Recommendation REC/02/SMC4.11, > as follows: > > > > A Working Group would be formed to investigate the possibility of a > > frequency allocation of approximately 10kHz between 470-490kHz to > > investigate propagation and the use of new communication > technologies. A > > progress report should be circulated to the secretaries of Region 2 and > > Region 3 for information." > > > > I would add to that statement a comment to me from Colin, G3PSM on his > > return that we should be looking in a post-WRC2003 timeframe to > come back > > with proposals in relation to this part of the spectrum, thus this is a > > long-term issue. > > > > As IARU Region 1 LF Coordinator I have assumed some responsibility for > > forming a "500kHz Working Group" and have approached a few > people to lead > > such a group. This has been without success, so I put the > question to the > > LF Group - Can I have volunteers please to work in a group, using e-mail > and > > a dedicated website, to carry out the task detailed by the above IARU > Region > > 1 recommendation. Once a group has been formed it can choose its > > chairperson. I would like to see an international membership of > the Group, > > hence the need to conduct business over the Internet. Meeting together > > would be expensive and probably difficult to arrange. Volunteers should > > e-mail me directly rather than post to the reflector. > > > > This e-mail has been copied to Colin, G3PSM and also Glenn, VK4DU (for > > Region 3). > > > > 73 John, G3WKL > > g3wkl@btinternet.com > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20634 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2003 16:16:35 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Jan 2003 16:16:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 13357 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Jan 2003 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2003 16:16:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18duoK-00027b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:11:36 +0000 Received: from [206.49.67.1] (helo=mxb.etecsa.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18duoH-00027S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:11:34 +0000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mxb.etecsa.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id LAA07390; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp-inforhc.pppn.etecsa.cu(10.10.0.2), claiming to be "user" via SMTP by mxb.etecsa.net, id smtpdAAA3ga4uo; Wed Jan 29 11:11:23 2003 Message-ID: <007401c2c7a8$c7a4e1a0$02000a0a@user> From: "Prof. Arnaldo Coro Antich" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "John W Gould" References: Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:27:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: IARU Region 1 position on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear John: We have heard about similar interests related to an allocation around 500 kHz. But I must advise that many Third World nations are still using that segment of the spectrum for maritime communications. Recent efforts to try to obtain a 600 meters band assignment by amateurs in neighboring countries came to a standstill when their telecommunications administrations replied that this was not possible because the segment was still in use for maritime communications. It would be very interesting and useful to have access to any documentation that Region I and Region III IARU coordinators may have, in order to approach our telecommunications administration regarding the preparations for the upcoming WARC 2003 to take place in Geneva later this year. I believe that one solid argument backing the request would be the succesful use of the 136 kiloHertz band by amateurs in many different countries, and along that line, I would like to request information regarding the number of countries in Region I already authorized to operate on 136 kiloHertz at this moment. We Cuban amateurs are trying to obtain our 136 kiloHertz band before WARC 2003 takes place, and would like to have the 600 meters assignment too !!! My personal experience participating at ITU conferences is that this efforts require great coordination and to be worked well in advance of the actual WARC 2003.... 73 and DX YOur friend in Havana CO2KK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Gould" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" Cc: "HF. Chairman List Member" ; "Vk4du@Gmdss. Com. Au" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:24 AM Subject: LF: IARU Region 1 position on 500kHz > My apologies for not bringing to this group's attention before the outcome > of a discussion of the RSGB paper on 500kHz, at the San Marino Region 1 > Conference. AMRAD have usefully summarised the position with the following > in their Jan-Feb 2003 Newsletter, which I quote with their agreement: > > "G3PSM chaired a working group of ON7ZV, PA0SHY, PA0AWN, ZL2AMJ and G4OUT. > The result was the adoption of Recommendation REC/02/SMC4.11, as follows: > > A Working Group would be formed to investigate the possibility of a > frequency allocation of approximately 10kHz between 470-490kHz to > investigate propagation and the use of new communication technologies. A > progress report should be circulated to the secretaries of Region 2 and > Region 3 for information." > > I would add to that statement a comment to me from Colin, G3PSM on his > return that we should be looking in a post-WRC2003 timeframe to come back > with proposals in relation to this part of the spectrum, thus this is a > long-term issue. > > As IARU Region 1 LF Coordinator I have assumed some responsibility for > forming a "500kHz Working Group" and have approached a few people to lead > such a group. This has been without success, so I put the question to the > LF Group - Can I have volunteers please to work in a group, using e-mail and > a dedicated website, to carry out the task detailed by the above IARU Region > 1 recommendation. Once a group has been formed it can choose its > chairperson. I would like to see an international membership of the Group, > hence the need to conduct business over the Internet. Meeting together > would be expensive and probably difficult to arrange. Volunteers should > e-mail me directly rather than post to the reflector. > > This e-mail has been copied to Colin, G3PSM and also Glenn, VK4DU (for > Region 3). > > 73 John, G3WKL > g3wkl@btinternet.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16891 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2003 07:28:02 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Jan 2003 07:28:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 19746 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Jan 2003 07:28:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Jan 2003 07:28:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18dmZb-0000VO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:23:51 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18dmZb-0000VF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:23:51 +0000 Received: from host213-1-128-24.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.128.24] helo=presario-1920) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18dmZZ-0003yr-00; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:23:50 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" Cc: "HF. Chairman List Member" , "Vk4du@Gmdss. Com. Au" Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:24:20 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: IARU Region 1 position on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REALversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false My apologies for not bringing to this group's attention before the outcome of a discussion of the RSGB paper on 500kHz, at the San Marino Region 1 Conference. AMRAD have usefully summarised the position with the following in their Jan-Feb 2003 Newsletter, which I quote with their agreement: "G3PSM chaired a working group of ON7ZV, PA0SHY, PA0AWN, ZL2AMJ and G4OUT. The result was the adoption of Recommendation REC/02/SMC4.11, as follows: A Working Group would be formed to investigate the possibility of a frequency allocation of approximately 10kHz between 470-490kHz to investigate propagation and the use of new communication technologies. A progress report should be circulated to the secretaries of Region 2 and Region 3 for information." I would add to that statement a comment to me from Colin, G3PSM on his return that we should be looking in a post-WRC2003 timeframe to come back with proposals in relation to this part of the spectrum, thus this is a long-term issue. As IARU Region 1 LF Coordinator I have assumed some responsibility for forming a "500kHz Working Group" and have approached a few people to lead such a group. This has been without success, so I put the question to the LF Group - Can I have volunteers please to work in a group, using e-mail and a dedicated website, to carry out the task detailed by the above IARU Region 1 recommendation. Once a group has been formed it can choose its chairperson. I would like to see an international membership of the Group, hence the need to conduct business over the Internet. Meeting together would be expensive and probably difficult to arrange. Volunteers should e-mail me directly rather than post to the reflector. This e-mail has been copied to Colin, G3PSM and also Glenn, VK4DU (for Region 3). 73 John, G3WKL g3wkl@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24439 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 21:36:27 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 21:36:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12455 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Jan 2003 21:36:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 21:36:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ddK1-0007Z0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:31:09 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ddK1-0007Yr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:31:09 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:30:38 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:30:38 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:30:38 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:30:37 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:30:37 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF1BF5AC@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Siemens D2006 Thread-Index: AcLG94yaFO4I7TLOSQ+gfMIb1DYnkgAG+mLQ From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2003 21:30:37.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FE591A0:01C2C714] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: SV: Siemens D2006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi 'LF-Group'! Could scan some pages if you know what you are after, but have so much demand for copies of Racal and other receivers that I can't overcome. For the DIN-socket it not much to find, only an overview which tells the colour of the wire from one board to the SKT. Think it is a problem with manuals because too often people request copies, and later throw it in the bin and sell the equipment, but tell the next person where they believe they could get the manual from, so I would like better to pass the material to somebody like K4XL Kenneth who runs a site for manuals, in this case it is for boatanchors... 73 Jan-Martin PS. never really understand why somebody don't require the handbooks for their equipment --- J M Noeding LA8AK, Kristiansand *** mailto:la8ak@online.no *** -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: James Moritz [mailto:j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk] Sendt: 28. januar 2003 18:48 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: LF: Siemens D2006 Dear LF Group, I recently acquired a Siemens D2006 selective voltmeter, with the accompanying W2006 generator. Does anybody have manuals or circuit diagrams for these units that I could borrow/copy etc? Naturally, I would be happy to cover any costs involved. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28228 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 17:51:55 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 17:51:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17023 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 17:51:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 17:51:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18dZso-00070p-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:50:50 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18dZso-00070g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:50:50 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18dZs3-0006cp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:50:03 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dZs1-000664-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:50:01 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030128173710.00aee3c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:47:57 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Siemens D2006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, I recently acquired a Siemens D2006 selective voltmeter, with the accompanying W2006 generator. Does anybody have manuals or circuit diagrams for these units that I could borrow/copy etc? Naturally, I would be happy to cover any costs involved. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10319 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 11:44:39 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 11:44:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4192 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 11:44:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 11:44:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18dU8q-0005sB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:43:00 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.221] (helo=netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18dU8q-0005s2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:43:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 19052 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 10:48:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO eastwood.plus.net) (192.168.126.104) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 10:48:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28107 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 10:34:44 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 10:34:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 14824 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 09:38:42 -0000 Received: from ctuash.sonnetinternet.co.uk (HELO hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 09:38:42 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2c6b0$f5ea1e20$0504210a@c.scope> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A50@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:38:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Hummmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Group, Like many just starting out with LF, I'm using an audio amplifier to transmit with. I had a bit of a surprise when tinkering about with it. I had connected a loudspeaker to the output and put a 1kHz signal through as a confidence check, that the amp was working ok. Afterwards I reconnected the antenna, before removing the loudspeaker. As I did so there was a horrible hum - well buzz really, since I have reduced the size of coupling capacitors to give it less gain at low frequencies. It didn't take long to realise that there was a big earth loop. The signal source is referenced to mains earth, and when I connected the aerial (and earth) the amplifier was also connected to RF earth. I have cured the problem by introducing a transformer between the signal source and the amplifier, but I wouldn't have realised that the amplifier was trying to amplify both 136kHz and huge amounts of 50Hz at the same time. If I had a (working) oscilloscope, I would probably have spotted the problem earlier, but it's not something that I expected. I did make me wonder whether hum had a bearing on the mysterious FET and fuse blowing problems with the BK amplifiers - but I expect large amounts of hum would have been quickly noticed when the problem was investigated. 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22851 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 10:08:10 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 10:08:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 13877 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2003 10:08:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2003 10:08:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18dSZO-0005VK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:02:18 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18dSZN-0005VB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:02:17 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:01:45 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:01:44 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:01:44 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:01:43 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:01:43 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A84@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: TEA6200 Thread-Index: AcLGc+mnPRlr7xoFSv+P7nzLHXQ6zQAP0OPA From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: ov709@smgroup.net, torp@networks.nera.no X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jan 2003 10:01:43.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[42E1EA70:01C2C6B4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: LF Field strength meter using Philips TEA6200... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Seems TEA6200 is an interesting device for making the field strength meter, somewhat different from PAøSE Dick's, but I believe it could be easy. Hope to get some samples for test. TEA6200 has a highlevel mixer and intended to upconvert the VLF signal, a simple xtal filter could easily be made on 3.58, 4.43361875, 8.667, or other frequencies for cheap xtals 73 Jan-Martin LA8AK ----- Original Message ----- From: "VLAD" To: "J M Noeding" Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: TEA6200 > Hi JM, > > Have you used this IC: TEA6200 from Philips? > > http://www-us9.semiconductors.com/acrobat/datasheets/TEA6200_CNV_2.pdf > > Looks good for ham Rx. > > vlad > kb9olm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6022 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 20:31:50 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 20:31:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 15698 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 20:31:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 20:31:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ctMs-00008Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:27:02 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ctMs-00008Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:27:02 +0000 Received: from tnt-6-14.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.201.14] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ctMr-000Gii-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:27:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2c579$ab79dc00$0ec928c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2c1a7$1a6dd520$331686d4@erica> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:20:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF Activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I think that most of you know that I have to fold my antenna mast over during the day because of planning restrictions. This means that I get to transmit on LF a good deal less than I would like to. However I do listen on 136 using my loop. Today I heard OK1DTN tuning up with a big signal and then calling CQ a few times. I couldn't resist the temptation to raise the mast and give him a call. If you heard some strange CW coming from G3LDO this morning the reeason is because when I came to plug in the electronic keyer I found that its battery was flat so I used the QRSS system on 0.1 second dots, a very cumbersom CW operating procedure. Nevertheless we did have a QSO. Worked G3XIZ and F6CNI late this afternoon. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28699 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 14:34:22 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 14:34:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3503 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 14:34:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 14:34:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cnr2-0007jL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:33:48 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cnr1-0007jC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:33:47 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18cnqv-0004BP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:33:41 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18cnqk-0005Tp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030126131003.00aedc80@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:33:24 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001201c2c4a2$f7f26840$e6d9043e@mh70i> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: TX with LOOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Werner, LF Group, At 19:52 25/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >At first sight it work FB >Loop perimeter is 85 meters and 12 meters above ground >Series coil is 1.5 mH series cap is home made butterfly 280 pf >plate space is 20mm, current in the circuit is 3.5 Amp >Cap and coil are in the shack , and two wires are going >out through the wall widely spaced from the wall, and so >straight to the loop . >In the shack it smells like ozone Hi You didn't say exactly how the tuning components and TX are connected to the loop - but it seems to me that if there is a significant voltage between the loop wire and ground, the antenna could actually be operating as a vertical tuned against ground. Obviously the antenna radiates quite well, but it is not clear that it is actually radiating in a horizontal loop mode - 3.5A seems a low current for a loop antenna to radiate much signal. The highest possible radiation resistance would occur if the loop were circular - in that case the area would be 575m^2, giving Rrad of 0.44milliohms, and a very optimistic estimate of ERP of maybe 10mW, assuming none is dissipated in the ground or environment. I expect the loop will have an inductance between 100 - 200uH; If both the 1.5mH coil and 280p capacitor are connected in series with one terminal of the loop, and the other terminal is near ground potential, the loop wire will be at a low potential (with 3.5A , some 100's of volts maximum), and there will be little radiation in "vertical" mode. But if this is the case, with total L of 1.7mH, and C of 280p, resonant frequency will be about 230kHz or slightly more. If, on the other hand, the inductor is connected to one terminal of the loop, and the capacitor to the other, the whole loop wire will be at high potential, and there will be a large "displacement current" flowing to ground through the antenna capacitance, so one would expect the antenna to be operating primarily as a vertical. In this condition, the capacitance to ground of the loop wire would effectively be in parallel with the 280p tuning capacitance. Estimating this to be 6pF/m, 85m of wire gives 510pF, so 790pF total capacitance. With 1.5mH inductance, this gives a resonant frequency of 146kHz, much nearer reality! There will be additional capacitance due to the connections to the shack, which would bring the resonant frequency to 136k. In this condition, the voltage on the loop wire would be roughly 4.5kV, and the antenna would be predominantly acting as a vertical, giving roughly 300mW ERP, again assuming no environmental losses. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11993 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 14:15:22 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 14:15:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 21185 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 14:15:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 14:15:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cnYS-0007dH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:14:36 +0000 Received: from [195.238.3.90] (helo=excalibur.skynet.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cnYS-0007d8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:14:36 +0000 Received: from mh70i ([62.4.216.222]) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with SMTP id h0QEEWZ18110 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:14:32 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <000d01c2c545$56192920$ded8043e@mh70i> From: "DE BONDT WERNER" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:15:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Loop next test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all
Thanks for the reply on my loop.
 
But wait to build a loop antenna Hi
Since I was not sure about my loop was a real loop.
Because de junction  coil-capacitor   was still grounded .
I made averting floating, and coupled the TX by a link.
So averting was disconnected from the ground now.
The configuration is now.
One end from the loop to the coil--from the coil to capacitor
than via the Amp meter to other end of the loop, and power in the
coil via the link.
Now I could only drive with abt 75 Watts, because of arcing in the cap
but still 3,5 Amp in the circuit .
Now big flames all over but no QSO . So Loops still on the side .
 
Close but no cigar , keep on trying
 
73 Werner ON6ND
 
To day I hear many times a test carrier more ore less strong ,
pleas attach a call-singe
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32408 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 12:29:58 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 12:29:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14453 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 12:29:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 12:29:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cluO-0007Lg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:29:08 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cluN-0007LX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:29:07 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-230.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.230] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cluM-000CqL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:29:07 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2c536$e8a79d80$e6e086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c2c4cf$96331640$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:29:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: re Tx with loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Regarding ON4ND's horizontal loop Alan G3NYK said: > . My estimation is that he was about 2 S points > down on the strength I normally hear him. Thus 559 against his usual 579 on > the vertical. This report seems to be confirmed by Dave G3YXMs comments. The EZNEC model gave it about -40dBi in free space. Above ground it was worse at -50dBi, - so bad that I suspected the model. 80m of wire 12m high is a lot of wire in the air. If configured as a Marconi we get -30dBi even with poor ground. > To Peter > A take off at 45 degrees is not actually too clever, as it then puts the > signal back down again just 100kms further on !! (Check the geometry with a > 50km reflecting D-Layer.) In fact it is likely to give fading in the 300 to > 400kms region. The fact that there was no sign (as far as I could tell) of > fading on Werner suggests that the high angle radiation was just totally > lost in absorption in the D-layer. To use "skywave" effectively one has to > "aim" at the horizon. (see the Simple Geometry page on my web site) as only > grazing incidence waves are returned in daytime. Yes Alan, you are right. In fact the marconi antenna over poor ground has a maximum gain elevation angle of 15 degrees. Over good ground it is 12 degrees with the above antenna having a gain of -24dBi. These figures do not take into account electromagnetic obstructions or other enviomental absorbsion. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7521 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 07:53:58 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 07:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 14821 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Jan 2003 07:53:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 07:53:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18chXh-0006kc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:49:25 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18chXh-0006kT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:49:25 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030126074923.OCSS900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:49:23 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c2c50f$a176e460$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c2c4a2$f7f26840$e6d9043e@mh70i> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:50:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TX with LOOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Is this an inductively loaded DDRR antenna? Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= ----------------------------------- Just made a test with a horizontal loop antenna and made QSO with F6BWO--F6CNI--DL3FDO At first sight it work FB Loop perimeter is 85 meters and 12 meters above ground Series coil is 1.5 mH series cap is home made butterfly 280 pf plate space is 20mm, current in the circuit is 3.5 Amp Cap and coil are in the shack , and two wires are going out through the wall widely spaced from the wall, and so straight to the loop . 73 Werner ON6ND From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1490 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 2114 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 00:15:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18caQo-0004HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:13:50 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18caQo-0004H9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:13:50 +0000 Received: from host213-122-14-59.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.14.59] helo=Main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18caQn-0007DW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:13:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2c4cf$96331640$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:51:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Tx with loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, I have already replied direct to Werner. I heard his transmissions today and as he is a regular and almost a "local" to me was able to give at least an "audible" report. My estimation is that he was about 2 S points down on the strength I normally hear him. Thus 559 against his usual 579 on the vertical. This report seems to be confirmed by Dave G3YXMs comments. To Peter A take off at 45 degrees is not actually too clever, as it then puts the signal back down again just 100kms further on !! (Check the geometry with a 50km reflecting D-Layer.) In fact it is likely to give fading in the 300 to 400kms region. The fact that there was no sign (as far as I could tell) of fading on Werner suggests that the high angle radiation was just totally lost in absorption in the D-layer. To use "skywave" effectively one has to "aim" at the horizon. (see the Simple Geometry page on my web site) as only grazing incidence waves are returned in daytime. Still it nice to see someone has had the energy and bottle to try it!! Well done Werner. How about rotating it vertical next....and give us a warning so we can be sure to be listening. It seemed very quiet today only 6 callsigns on my pad. I think it is possible that LA1TN is listening this weekend so the is every possibility of a report from Norway (Trondheim I think).....but not if you dont transmit !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24509 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 23:25:24 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 23:25:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 28555 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 23:25:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 23:25:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cZfM-00043O-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:24:48 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cZfM-00043F-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:24:48 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-238.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.238] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cZfL-000MMX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:24:47 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c2c4c9$5659ee00$eec428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c2c4a2$f7f26840$e6d9043e@mh70i> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:18:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TX with LOOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Werner ON6ND said ---------------------------------------------- Just made a test with a horizontal loop antenna and made QSO with F6BWO--F6CNI--DL3FDO At first sight it work FB Loop perimeter is 85 meters and 12 meters above ground Series coil is 1.5 mH series cap is home made butterfly 280 pf plate space is 20mm, current in the circuit is 3.5 Amp Cap and coil are in the shack , and two wires are going out through the wall widely spaced from the wall, and so straight to the loop . In the shack it smells like ozone Hi --------------------------------------------- Interesting! Most loops tried in the past have been vertical because then you only need two supporting masts. If this antenna is square or a rectangle then you will need four. I tried making an EZNEC model of this antenna but the results are not reliable for two reasons: the antenna is an electrically small loop and it is electrically very close to the ground. Even a free space model seemed quite lossy (-40+dBi). For what its worth changing the quality of ground material had little effect on a ground model; unlike a Marconi. The other characteristic is that the greatest gain was at 45 degrees - good sky wave. Not the sort of antenna a commercial station would use but it might be good for amateur sky-wave DX. Have the USA Lowfers tried this one out? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18686 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 23:25:23 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 23:25:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 28513 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 23:25:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 23:25:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cZfL-00043B-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:24:47 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cZfL-000432-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:24:47 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-238.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.238] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cZfK-000MMX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:24:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2c4c9$559824a0$eec428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E31A334.A36A778A@att.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:02:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Plotting DCF39 in NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dexter W4DEX said: > I am now plotting DCF39's signal as received here in North Carolina. > The plots are uploaded at ten minuets intervals. Interesting to compare the signal strengths received by W4DEX with W3EEE. Both plots are similar with signal dips around 0200z and 0400z although the signal build up was later and the fade out earlier at W4DEX, as you might expect. Well done the USA 'team' - will give us valuable LF propagation data. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4273 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 23:21:27 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 23:21:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18494 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Jan 2003 23:21:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 23:21:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cZaq-00040l-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:20:08 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cZaq-00040c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:20:08 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18cZaq-0002D3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:20:08 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c2c4c8$710a9f20$1b00a8c0@dellboy> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c2c4a2$f7f26840$e6d9043e@mh70i> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:21:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TX with LOOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Werner. I heard your CQ, about 559. Sorry I was not able to transmit. I will look out for you tomorrow. 73 Dave G3YXM. ---------------- Just made a test with a horizontal loop antenna and made QSO with F6BWO--F6CNI--DL3FDO At first sight it work FB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25232 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 20:05:35 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 20:05:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 5470 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 20:05:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 20:05:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cWXF-0003WW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:04:13 +0000 Received: from [204.127.198.38] (helo=rwcrmhc51.attbi.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cWXE-0003WC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:04:12 +0000 Received: from w1wv (c-24-131-168-203.mw.client2.attbi.com[24.131.168.203]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with SMTP id <2003012520033505100h41kte>; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 20:03:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c2c4ad$95d5d380$cba88318@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "Denis Cote" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c2c4a2$f7f26840$e6d9043e@mh70i> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:08:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TX with LOOP Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
COOL!!!!!
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Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:52 PM
Subject: LF: TX with LOOP

Hello All
 
Just made a test with a horizontal loop antenna
and made QSO with F6BWO--F6CNI--DL3FDO
At first sight it work FB
Loop perimeter is 85 meters and 12 meters above ground
Series coil is 1.5 mH series cap is home made butterfly 280 pf
plate space is 20mm, current in the circuit is 3.5 Amp
Cap and coil are in the shack , and two wires are going
out through the wall widely spaced from the wall, and so
straight to the loop .
In the shack it smells like ozone Hi
 
More test later
73 Werner ON6ND
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24802 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 18:59:29 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 18:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 25420 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 18:59:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 18:59:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cVRL-0003Kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:54:03 +0000 Received: from [195.238.3.90] (helo=excalibur.skynet.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cVRL-0003Km-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:54:03 +0000 Received: from mh70i ([62.4.217.230]) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with SMTP id h0PIqEZ04070 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:52:16 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <001201c2c4a2$f7f26840$e6d9043e@mh70i> From: "DE BONDT WERNER" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 19:52:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TX with LOOP Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello All
 
Just made a test with a horizontal loop antenna
and made QSO with F6BWO--F6CNI--DL3FDO
At first sight it work FB
Loop perimeter is 85 meters and 12 meters above ground
Series coil is 1.5 mH series cap is home made butterfly 280 pf
plate space is 20mm, current in the circuit is 3.5 Amp
Cap and coil are in the shack , and two wires are going
out through the wall widely spaced from the wall, and so
straight to the loop .
In the shack it smells like ozone Hi
 
More test later
73 Werner ON6ND
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21879 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2003 22:13:14 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 22:13:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21165 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jan 2003 22:13:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 22:13:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cC3M-0000j1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:12:00 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.82] (helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cC3K-0000is-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:11:58 +0000 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18cC3J-0004Go-03; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:11:57 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.155.225.239]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18cC35-0pScTIC; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:11:43 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E314BE4.5020603@usa.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:11:43 +0100 Message-ID: <18cC35-0pScTIC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: DCF39 protocol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=6.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alberto di Bene schrieb: > Good afternoon all, > > may be this is old hat for some of you, but if you are interested in the > protocol DCF39 uses for its signalling, go here : > http://longwave.bei.t-online.de/Efr.pdf > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > Hi Alberto, tks for the hint. Klaus makes a good job of listing and describing lf stations, doesn`t he. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17223 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2003 20:38:18 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 20:38:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6302 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2003 20:38:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 20:38:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18cAWH-0000RH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:33:45 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18cAWG-0000R8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:33:45 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030124203504.OOD5098.host4@att.net> for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:35:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3E31A334.A36A778A@att.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:33:56 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: Plotting DCF39 in NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I am now plotting DCF39's signal as received here in North Carolina. The plots are uploaded at ten minuets intervals. The latest plot can be accessed from my main web page at: http://www.w4dex.com/ Or go directly to the plot at: http://www.w4dex.com/plot/dcf39/dcf39.gif The daily plots will be stored in the directory: http://www.w4dex.com/plot/dcf39/ These plots are in .gif format as suggested by Steve, W3EEE. Looks good to me and saves a little bandwidth. Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7412 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2003 15:20:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 15:20:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5199 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jan 2003 15:20:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 15:20:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18c5cE-0007vr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:19:34 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18c5cE-0007vi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:19:34 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18c5c4-00020w-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:19:24 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18c5c2-0005HC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030124142752.00aed8b8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:19:19 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: AW: VFO for VLF receiver? Digital type pre-mixer, any ideas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Jan-Martin, LF group At 11:37 24/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Suppose I could use an FF, preferably CD4013 for the mixer. > >But I can't find any reference to similar constructions, only have a vague >memory that it has been mentioned in TT some time in the last 35 years A D-type flip-flop does work something like a mixer. If you feed 1MHz into the clock input, and 1.001MHz square wave into the D input, the output will approximately be a 1kHz square wave. The interesting thing is that you will also get the 1kHz square wave if the D input is 0.001, 0.999, 1.999, 2.001, 2.999, 3.001... nMHZ +/-1kHz. The D-type flip-flop effectively "samples" the logic level at the D input the moment the clock transition occurs - it works like a sample-and-hold with a square wave input, and no anti-aliasing filter (this analogue scheme is used in things like sampling scopes, modulation meters, vector voltmeters, etc., or optically with a stroboscope). The trouble is that, since it is effectively mixing the square wave input with a train of impulses at the clock frequency, and low pass filtering the result, the output spectrum contains many harmonic and non-harmonic components as well as the desired output. These are easy to filter out if the difference frequency is much smaller than either input frequency, but if you try to use the sum frequency output, or the output frequency is comparable to the input frequency, the output waveform is roughly a square wave but with substantial pulse-width modulation, which would be difficult to filter to get a clean VFO signal. So for your mixer-VFO, a conventional mixer would work better. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8327 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2003 14:23:01 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 14:23:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10206 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jan 2003 14:23:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 14:23:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18c4iH-0007iD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:21:45 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsrelay03.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18c4iG-0007i4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:21:44 +0000 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 14:21:10 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.167.212] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.2.05) with ESMTP id 589HaXoVH0089M28; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:21:07 GMT Message-ID: <3E314BE4.5020603@usa.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:21:24 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: DCF39 protocol Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Good afternoon all,

  may be this is old hat for some of you, but if you are interested in the
protocol DCF39 uses for its signalling, go here :
http://longwave.bei.t-online.de/Efr.pdf

73  Alberto  I2PHD

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9778 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2003 10:44:09 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 10:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 16829 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Jan 2003 10:44:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 10:44:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18c1F3-00073x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:39:21 +0000 Received: from [194.25.108.14] (helo=server06.mvnet.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18c1F3-00073m-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:39:21 +0000 Received: from gtwf.mvnet.de (gtwf.mvnet.de [194.25.108.83]) by server06.mvnet.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0OAdWHG025345 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:39:32 +0100 Received: from falkenuge02.mvnet.de (gtwf-mgw.mvnet.de [192.168.0.3]) by gtwf.mvnet.de (8.12.6/) with SMTP id h0OAeCBp032646 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:40:12 +0100 Received: from no.name.available by falkenuge02.mvnet.de via smtpd (for [192.168.0.10]) with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 10:39:15 UT Received: from prox ([10.10.0.3]) by mgwl01.mgw.mvnet.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h0OAcleR019164 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:38:54 +0100 Received: from 10.254.1.1 by prox (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:53:24 +0100 Received: from [194.1.2.8] by adlerauge-11.mvnet.de via smtpd (for [10.254.1.10]) with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 10:35:47 UT Received: by UMNT02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:37:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: v.wedelstaedt@um.mv-regierung.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:37:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Subject: LF: AW: VFO for VLF receiver? Digital type pre-mixer, any ideas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.0 required=6.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,FORGED_RCVD_TRAIL,NO_REAL_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: **** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi yes, any ideas, please look at www.mvnet.de/priv/vw/index~1.htm I will write any schematics and programs thes evening and on the weekend 01.Feb to the homepage 73 Eberhard -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com [mailto:jan-martin.noding@telenor.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Januar 2003 18:03 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: VFO for VLF receiver? Digital type pre-mixer, any ideas? Hi planning to build a VFO for a boatanchor VLF receiver covering 50-140KHz, first IF is 169kHz and it was originally using xtal control. The VFO must cover 220-310kHz. The variation needs to 85kHz, and it seems easier to make a VFO above 1MHz, possibly Clapp oscillator (my favourite since everybody else disregard it!), might also try the Seiler. I thought of using a 2457.6MHz xtal and mix with VFO (ca 2MHz), and divide the output by two or more. Suppose I could use an FF, preferably CD4013 for the mixer. But I can't find any reference to similar constructions, only have a vague memory that it has been mentioned in TT some time in the last 35 years Wonder if somebody else have some experience in this, and will the mixer divide or just mix? 960kHz resonators are also readily available, but they won't pull much. 73 Jan-Martin --- J M Nøding, Datakvalitet, TTS, Kristiansand Telefon 0047-380-52660, 9077-7126 (QTH: 0047-380-87178) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29769 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2003 21:59:29 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Jan 2003 21:59:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2003 21:59:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2003 21:59:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18bpGG-0005BM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:51:48 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.150] (helo=telesmtp2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18bpGC-0005BD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:51:45 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.249.248]) by telesmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H96SQ300.WMY for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:51:39 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c2c329$8d8e8bc0$f8f963d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2c0b1$9d4cddc0$3eeafc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:51:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: DXPEDITION Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Mal:
 
Do you think to transmit on QRSS3 for european QSO´s?
 
73 de José, EA1PX
 
 
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I will be transmitting QRS during late evening/early morning for Transatlantic xband QSO'S. TX 135.922 and RX on HF 7030 Khz. I will not have email facilities so therefore please reply on HF, or tel nr 0774 808 8937.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17447 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2003 10:38:12 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Jan 2003 10:38:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 26057 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2003 10:38:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jan 2003 10:38:00 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18beiL-0003Jh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:36:05 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-in.online.no) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18beiK-0003JW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:36:04 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:35:00 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:35:00 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:35:00 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:35:00 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:35:00 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A50@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: Remote operated active antenna for 10kHz-40MHz Thread-Index: AcLCZhDTp2MWp5lXRkGphYIvbCU4ZwAY7L6A From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2003 10:35:00.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[14A2FA10:01C2C2CB] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Remote operated active antenna for 10kHz-40MHz (J310) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060201080206080909060507" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060201080206080909060507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is the recommended design for a broad-band amplifier, LA7MI has a very strong signal on 96MHz, so he added an RFC at the input to form a lowpassfilter. 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netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 21:53:31 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18bShM-0001Lp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:46:16 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.8] (helo=imo-m05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18bShI-0001LZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 21:46:12 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.f.7ff3b12 (4328) for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:45:37 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: w3eee.com -10dB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030202000707040107040704" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030202000707040107040704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Steve and LF-Group,

thanks for inserting the 10dB-attenuation at W3EEE: last night's plot definitely proved it's value and allowed an evaluation of the path budget from Central Eu into the USA. During the  -7dB-peak between 0630 and 0700, the noise curves apparently replicated the signal, supporting Steve's point that displayed SNR is actually limited (to about 30dB) by the modulation sidebands.

An extrapolation of the noise during the nearest troughs (about -43dB) would have given 36dB SNR at the peak. Gaining 16dB by going from 0.4Hz to 10mHz and allowing some 3dB for the  peak-maximum-type noise evaluation, SNR from DCF's 40kW EMRP was 55dB. A 1W E(D)RP amateur station would have produced 48.5dB less signal or 6.5dB SNR, good enough for an "M" report. But, as Alan has said, a UK-to-East-Coast path could have been significantly stronger.

A detailed look on the sideband-spectrum during many FSK telegrams (see image) revealed a number of gaps where its intensity is another 30dB less than close to space frequency; good channels for noise measurements would be near 138563, 138634, 138765 or 138966Hz. Another approach might be to take a little advantage of the relatively short telegram duration by using true-rms averaging rather than peak-hold in the noise channels, although I'm not quite sure how to tell SpecLab to do just that.

73 de Markus, DF6NM
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rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Larry,

Spectrum Lab has been tested with the Audigy 2, the 96kHz sampling rate seems to work but the amplitudes are lower than expected (maybe some fiddling with 24-bit samples required). The "old" Audigy does not support 96kHz though the chip's specification says something different. So beware, if you want to process signals up to 48 kHz get the Audigy 2 and not the older Audigy.
All lower sampling rates (8000, 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000 Hz) work nicely. Other DSP programs surely will have no problems with these cards because none of the Windoze progs does direct hardware access these days.


Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4289 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 17:03:58 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 17:03:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15868 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 17:03:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 17:03:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18bOHS-0000cC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:03:14 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-in.online.no) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18bOHR-0000c3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:03:13 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:02:42 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:02:41 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:02:41 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:02:41 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:02:41 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A4D@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: w3eee.com -10dB Thread-Index: AcLAzqvEaMIftDJWSV+nRahNrsZZZQBaBkhw From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2003 17:02:41.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[134A78C0:01C2C238] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: VFO for VLF receiver? Digital type pre-mixer, any ideas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi planning to build a VFO for a boatanchor VLF receiver covering 50-140KHz, first IF is 169kHz and it was originally using xtal control. The VFO must cover 220-310kHz. The variation needs to 85kHz, and it seems easier to make a VFO above 1MHz, possibly Clapp oscillator (my favourite since everybody else disregard it!), might also try the Seiler. I thought of using a 2457.6MHz xtal and mix with VFO (ca 2MHz), and divide the output by two or more. Suppose I could use an FF, preferably CD4013 for the mixer. But I can't find any reference to similar constructions, only have a vague memory that it has been mentioned in TT some time in the last 35 years Wonder if somebody else have some experience in this, and will the mixer divide or just mix? 960kHz resonators are also readily available, but they won't pull much. 73 Jan-Martin --- J M Nøding, Datakvalitet, TTS, Kristiansand Telefon 0047-380-52660, 9077-7126 (QTH: 0047-380-87178) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7323 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 16:24:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 16:24:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 13179 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 16:24:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 16:24:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18bNeo-0000RF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:23:18 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18bNen-0000R6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:23:17 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 16:23:13 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.177] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.2.05) with ESMTP id 453HaVqXi0419M29; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:23:08 GMT Message-ID: <3E2EC567.2080403@usa.net> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:23:03 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.0.20030121163457.00ad1cf0@pop2.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: LF: Video Card, ATI Radeon 7500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Larry Kayser wrote: > Greetings again.... > > Does anyone in the LF community have any experience in using the ATI > Radeon 7500 Video Card, especially with the DSP processing programs? > > This card allows me to spread the Microsoft Desktop over two CRT's. > > Larry > VA3LK I have on my PC the Radeon 9000 128 Mb card, not exactly the same as yours, but rather similar. No problems whatsoever with any (DSP or not) programs. This with both Windows 98SE and Windows XP Pro. Not tested with Linux. I have the RedHat V8 CDs, but I haven't found the time so far to install it. 73 Alberto I2PHD P.S. Though the card allows for two monitors, I have used it with just one. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10471 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 12:33:39 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 12:33:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 20438 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 12:32:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 12:32:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18bJwZ-00085r-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:25:23 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18bJwY-00085i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:25:22 +0000 Received: from host213-122-118-68.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.118.68] helo=Main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18bJwX-00041G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:25:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2c211$1d917620$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:23:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF DX Propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all. Last nights plot from Steve was very interesting. Despite his reduction of the "gain" by some 10dB, DCF39 showed the highest recorded levels so far around 0600z. This is despite an small increase in the Kp recently. I think this probably indicates that the geomagnetic disturbance only produced the same effect as would be seen normally many days after a major storm. We have had a very quiet period through late December and into January. I believe that under these conditions a small increase in the ionisation in the D-layer due to a small number of precipated electrons from the minor disturbance has lead some multipath propagation, and some constructive interference. ( Of course I could be totally wrong !! ) I did suggest that the rise in the Kp to 4 would manifest itself by Tues/Wed , but I suggested increased absorption and deep troughs. There is little evidence of absorption but there are some sharp fading troughs, which would be expected when the different path phases are opposed. This is a "good omen" for the coming solar minimum !! It indicates to me that with a quiet sun, a small geomagnetic disturbance can be beneficial to long distance propagation. I believe that some coronal hole activity will continue through the quiet years whilst there may be few sunspots and flares. (I do need to try and check on this). It will be interesting to see the results from tonight (22/23rd) and tomorrow night as the Kp rose to 5 just after midnight on the 20th, and has had some further periods at 4. Good DXing Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30935 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 00:44:03 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 00:44:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 6398 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 00:43:15 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 00:43:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18b8yV-00066A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:42:39 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [209.226.175.3] (helo=tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18b8yU-000661-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:42:38 +0000 Received: from lsk.sympatico.ca ([216.208.193.143]) by tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030122004235.HSLS29922.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@lsk.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:42:35 -0500 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030121163457.00ad1cf0@pop2.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1aemm59@pop2.sympatico.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:37:35 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Larry Kayser" In-reply-to: <3E21F6F4.9040202@usa.net> References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Video Card, ATI Radeon 7500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Greetings again.... Does anyone in the LF community have any experience in using the ATI Radeon 7500 Video Card, especially with the DSP processing programs? This card allows me to spread the Microsoft Desktop over two CRT's. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24115 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2003 00:43:18 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 00:43:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 2347 invoked by uid 10001); 22 Jan 2003 00:43:16 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2003 00:43:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18b8yR-00065x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:42:35 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [209.226.175.3] (helo=tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18b8yQ-00065o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:42:34 +0000 Received: from lsk.sympatico.ca ([216.208.193.143]) by tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20030122004232.HSKE29922.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@lsk.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030121163253.00ad1250@pop2.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1aemm59@pop2.sympatico.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:34:40 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Larry Kayser" In-reply-to: <3E21F6F4.9040202@usa.net> References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: SB Audigy Card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Greetings: Does anyone in the LF community have any experience in using the Sound Blaster Card Audigy with any of the DSP programs? Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13624 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 23:46:29 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 23:46:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 29428 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Jan 2003 23:48:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 23:48:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18b82A-0005tV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:42:22 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18b82A-0005tM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:42:22 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-51.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.51] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18b823-000Nz5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:42:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2c1a7$1a6dd520$331686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:40:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false During this very wet spell I noticed that the total antenna resistance has gone up - probably due to environmental losses. The daily cycling of antenna resistance does not seem so bad on 136kHz as on 73kHz or should I say that it is different. I have found no external effect such as tide or weather that correlate with these antenna current variations. When the area around the antenna is very wet, and I leave the transmitter on for testing, the antenna current starts very low then creeps up over a period of about 5 minutes or more by up to 100%. So much so that I have to readjust the matching transformer to avoid overloading the transmitter. This implies that the total antenna resistance has fallen. When we had a fall of snow a couple of weeks ago this caused a change in the resonant point although not the total resistance of the antenna. No wonder the Decca stations had this elaborate auto tuning and matching arrangement. Just over a week ago (when it was cold and relatively dry) I was using the transmitter at night and was alarmed by fire and sparks coming from one of the insulated wires that goes to the top of the mast. In the beam of my torch I could see a twig that had obviously got caught up with the wire when the antenna was tilted over during the day. I turned of the transmitter and hooked the twig down and found it was steaming and nearly too hot to touch. It shows how lossy wet trees and shrubs are if located close to the transmitting antenna. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 920 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 19:27:22 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 19:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 468 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Jan 2003 19:27:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 19:27:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18b41q-0005BK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:25:46 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18b41q-0005BB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:25:46 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18b41e-00008Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:25:34 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18b41T-0006R8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:25:23 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030121134526.00b1fe68@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:25:21 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A43@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp .telenor.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Jan-Martin, LF group, At 14:10 21/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >A source follower has incredible low gain - even when driving high impedance, >that's the reason I discard such constructions, but using a PNP instead of >NPN >you may achieve over unity gain. A BJT emitter follower has in the region of >0.8-0.95x voltage gain. >You set the feedback to adjust the gain, and add some postive feedback to >the input and achieve very high input impedance. A source follower has unity gain only with infinite load impedance. But most source followers have a built-in load in the form of the source bias resistor, which will normally be a few hundred ohms. A FET with transconductance of a few mS has a source follower output impedance of a few hundred ohms, so the bias resistor substantially loads the output, resulting in gain well below unity. This can be avoided by increasing the load impedance in different ways, eg. by connecting a high impedance choke in series with the source resistor. In the compound follower circuit, the low potential end of the 100R resistor is bootstrapped by the output of the emitter follower, making its effective impedance much higher. The bipolar follower has much higher transconductance, giving an output impedance of a couple of ohms, and so can achieve nearly unity gain even with a 50 ohm load. The actual gain of the complete circuit was about 0.9 - 0.95, depending on the transistors used. With a high impedance source, the thermal noise will be high also - eg. for 10k Rs, about 0.2uV in 300Hz. Most reasonable receivers have lower noise floor than this, so increasing gain is not very useful. If you do need higher gain, a circuit like LA8AK suggests is a good way to go. The circuit I experimented with is not the best high impedance buffer money can buy, but it is simple, requires no adjustment, and delivers nearly unity gain with adequately low noise and low distortion for many purposes. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18242 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 14:43:53 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 14:43:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 21288 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 14:43:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 14:43:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18azcR-0004CI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:43:15 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18azcL-0004C2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:43:10 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virusscan.ttyl.com with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:42:20 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:42:03 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:42:03 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:42:03 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:42:03 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A45@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Jan-Martin's Preamp circuit Thread-Index: AcLBWGTa58y2IkWYTLGMVPSMFV1hdgAAoJEQ From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2003 14:42:03.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[435788B0:01C2C15B] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: SV: Jan-Martin's Preamp circuit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false TNX This was constructed in times where we listened to BBC2 and no lower frequencies, so the capacitors are probably small. Perhaps a resistor in series with the 10nF capacitor to adjust the positive feedback... hi 73 Jan-Martin --- J M Nøding, Datakvalitet, TTS, Kristiansand Telefon 0047-9077-7126 -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Hugh M0WYE [mailto:m0wye@thersgb.net] Sendt: 21. januar 2003 15:11 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: LF: Jan-Martin's Preamp circuit Hi Jan-Martin and LF group, I was going to ask if your preamp could be posted on the Reflector ... Being the "some-other" Here it is ... 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect > Hi, > I don't see the point in using NPN devices (PNP are better for this purpose), > you would probably not have more than 0.5x voltage gain > A source follower has incredible low gain - even when driving high impedance, > that's the reason I discard such constructions, but using a PNP instead of NPN > you may achieve over unity gain. A BJT emitter follower has in the region of > 0.8-0.95x voltage gain. > You set the feedback to adjust the gain, and add some postive feedback to > the input and achieve very high input impedance. > > Unfortunately I forgot to forward the circuit from home, but sent it to Alan > and some other. Too high gain is of course a problem and may cause some IMD, > will try to remember to pass the circuit later (I am in Stavanger at the moment). > > Passed the spectrogram as a separate mail > > 73 Jan-Martin > LA8AK > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8023 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 14:14:17 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 14:14:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 28044 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Jan 2003 14:13:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 14:13:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18az8q-00042o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:12:40 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.221] (helo=netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18az8k-00042f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:12:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 25351 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 14:12:03 -0000 Received: from ctuash.sonnetinternet.co.uk (HELO hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 14:12:03 -0000 Message-ID: <029401c2c156$feb331e0$0504210a@c.scope> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A43@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:11:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Jan-Martin's Preamp circuit Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080003080701020502000000" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080003080701020502000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jan-Martin and LF group, I was going to ask if your preamp could be posted on the Reflector ... Being the "some-other" Here it is ... 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:10 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect > Hi, > I don't see the point in using NPN devices (PNP are better for this purpose), > you would probably not have more than 0.5x voltage gain > A source follower has incredible low gain - even when driving high impedance, > that's the reason I discard such constructions, but using a PNP instead of NPN > you may achieve over unity gain. A BJT emitter follower has in the region of > 0.8-0.95x voltage gain. > You set the feedback to adjust the gain, and add some postive feedback to > the input and achieve very high input impedance. > > Unfortunately I forgot to forward the circuit from home, but sent it to Alan > and some other. 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-0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 13:12:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 11996 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 13:11:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 13:11:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ayBC-0003ns-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:11:02 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ayBC-0003nj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:11:02 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virusscan.ttyl.com with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:10:24 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:10:23 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:10:23 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:10:23 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:10:22 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A43@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect Thread-Index: AcK+8ZwkJrITrFIpRKiFGkIbXT0lGQCWxxBw From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2003 13:10:23.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[751893B0:01C2C14E] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi, I don't see the point in using NPN devices (PNP are better for this purpose), you would probably not have more than 0.5x voltage gain A source follower has incredible low gain - even when driving high impedance, that's the reason I discard such constructions, but using a PNP instead of NPN you may achieve over unity gain. A BJT emitter follower has in the region of 0.8-0.95x voltage gain. You set the feedback to adjust the gain, and add some postive feedback to the input and achieve very high input impedance. Unfortunately I forgot to forward the circuit from home, but sent it to Alan and some other. Too high gain is of course a problem and may cause some IMD, will try to remember to pass the circuit later (I am in Stavanger at the moment). Passed the spectrogram as a separate mail 73 Jan-Martin LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: James Moritz [mailto:j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk] Sendt: 18. januar 2003 13:42 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: LF: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect At 12:09 17/01/2003 -0500, you wrote: ><< This is the wrong way to achieve high impedance (and good IMD), > it is no need to keep the "source current low" {etc} >> > >I do not see anything in the Web page that suggests keeping the source >current low. It only says "reasonable amount," which I took to mean "be sure >to use enough" to keep IMD low. Dear LF Group, The output impedance of a follower is roughly the inverse of it's transconductance, ie. 1/gm. A J310 JFET has a gm of about 10 - 20 mS, so the output impedance is roughly 50 - 100 ohms. To get low distortion, and gain close to unity with such a follower requires that the load it is driving should be much greater than the output impedance of the follower. So a J310 source follower would be fine if driving several hundred ohms or greater, but not for a 50 or 75 ohms system. To get around this, one could use a special FET like the CP640 device used in the AMRAD active antenna circuit, with much higher gm. A small power MOSFET would give a low output impedance, but rather high input capacitance. Bipolar transistors have much higher gm (roughly Ic/25mV), but would have relatively low input impedance, in the kilohm range, and be relatively noisy with a high source impedance. Various high speed op-amps and IC buffers can be used, but they tend to be quite noisy. A cheap and easy alternative is to use a compound follower, with JFET and bipolar followers cascaded. I tried the one shown in the attachment - Zin is basically 500k in parallel with the FET capacitance, the gain with 50ohm load is about 0.95. The noise at 136kHz with the input shorted was about 0.05uV in 400Hz BW. About 1V RMS can be applied to the input before there is much distortion whilst driving 50ohms, so it ought to be OK with most antennas, and is probably better than most receivers. The FET was a J310, but other devices with Idss > about 8mA should be OK. A lower gm device with lower Idss could be used if the 100R resistor were increased in value, but would be noisier. The output BJT used was a 2N3053, but can be a wide range of small power transistors with Hfe > 50 when biased to 30mA or so and fT in the 10s of MHz - eg. BD131, BFY50, ZTX650 etc. Zout is a few ohms - If driving a capacitive load, a resistor in series with the output of 10 - 20 ohms will prevent oscillation. Extra decoupling will be required if the 12V supply is noisy. Using spectrogram software to monitor the band for signals works very well - it allows you to see CW signals that are inaudible, which you can then try to "zoom in" using a narrow filter. Although you can't copy the morse from the screen display, you can detect the presence of signals that are too weak to hear even in the narrowest filter, whilst monitoring the whole band segment at once. Some of the spectrogram programs have DSP audio filters built in, too. The broadcast station noises M0WYE is hearing may well be "Luxembourg effect", where cross-modulation of the DCF39 carrier by the BC signals occurs in the ionosphere, and is often quite strong at my QTH. Usually I can here the audio of at least two stations at once. Hope this is helpful, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26407 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 12:57:31 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 12:57:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 25660 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Jan 2003 12:56:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 12:56:43 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18axwp-0003hJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:56:11 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18axwo-0003h4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:56:10 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virusscan.ttyl.com with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:55:24 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:55:24 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:55:23 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:55:24 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:55:23 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A42@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: 74HC4066 applications Thread-Index: AcK/s2JeRY3m0vChSN6VuWjeiZTLDwBmHxkg From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2003 12:55:24.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CF76E70:01C2C14C] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: DCF39 Frequency shift Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030209090500050304090604" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030209090500050304090604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Using the sigview program LA1TN has shown that the shift is 330Hz, the highest peak is 138.8kHz, see attached file
 
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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Hugh, LF Group, At 22:57 19/01/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I notice the sounds and patterning on the screen are only there during the >hours of darkness, does that prove that it is the ionosphere and not the >radio ? >Does the ionosphere cause non-linear mixing of higher frequencies or just LF >? I believe it's called the Luxembourg effect because it was first observed on MF signals from Radio Luxembourg in the 20s or 30s. I don't know much about the field, but any frequency that is absorbed by the ionosphere will cause "heating", which modulates it's reflecting properties. There are number of research facilities which transmit megawatts of HF straight up in order to investigate ionospheric physics - searching the web under "ionospheric heater", "HAARP" or "EISCAT" will give you lots of hits, including the conspiracy theorists, who of course will tell you what the real purpose of these experiments is! The fact that the noises disappear during daytime, also that any amount of preselector filtering does not remove them, is quite convincing that these signals originate outside the receiver. >Have you tried out your buffer circuit - or is it just a "circuit idea" I >wonder ? Yes, it is a real circuit - I have not tried it with the notch filter, but I did test it as a high impedance antenna preamp, as well as the bench measurements I mentioned - it seems to do the job quite well, and since there are 4 medium wave broadcast stations within 1km of my QTH, it demonstrates the linearity must be OK! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1264 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2003 02:38:49 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 02:38:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 10781 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Jan 2003 02:38:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Jan 2003 02:38:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aoHs-0001mL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:37:16 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.18] (helo=mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aoHr-0001mC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:37:15 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 24093591 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:36:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c2c0f5$feaf0a40$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030120111745.00b03438@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001201c2c07c$06a43e20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:37:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Early morning tests? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false The files I posted this morning at: > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136/ may not have been readable due to my early morning foggy brain. If you couldn't make sense of them, please try again -- the problem has been fixed. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14968 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 23:50:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 23:50:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 15214 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 23:50:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 23:50:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18alfj-0001Jl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:49:43 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18alfj-0001Jc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:49:43 +0000 Received: from host213-122-47-243.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.47.243] helo=Main) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18alfi-0005Oc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:49:43 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c2c0de$72f00340$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:47:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A condx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, The Kp index rose to 5 just after midnight 20th, so I am expecting some increase in absorption by about Wed/Thurs 22/23rd night. This should reduce levels of night-time signals for a few days. NOAA is forecasting unsettled geomagnetic conditions by the 22nd due a geoeffective (aiming at us !) coronal hole. If this "burps" it means the depressed period could be prolonged somewhat. We need to keep an eye on Steve's log to see how bad it gets. I think Laurie is right that closer behind a disturbance we can often ride in on a enhancement "wave" due to constructive interference between the different radio paths and get signals at 3 sec dot easily displayed. This Kp increase could be a chance but I suspect it will only be a "beginers wave" unless the Kp rises further. We need to be careful about interpreting Steve's plots regarding UK paths. DCF is 700 or more kms east and Steve is nearly 1000kms west of John. This will influence the timing of the peaks and troughs he sees, and sometimes the maximum levels. In general I believe in a relatively quiet period like we have just had there may be little difference. When we run into a period of more serious multi-path fading Steve's results may diverge from those achieved by John ,Dex and Lloyd. It will be interesting to see by how much. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31961 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 21:50:48 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 21:50:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 341 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 21:52:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 21:52:17 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ajo5-0000zp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:50:13 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ajo5-0000za-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:50:13 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp01445904pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net [68.83.65.211]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.09 (built Jan 7 2003)) with SMTP id <0H9100JKI8MT5B@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:49:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:49:24 -0500 From: "Steve Dove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Organization: d s p MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-Priority: 3 Subject: LF: w3eee.com -10dB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=6.0tests=INVALID_MSGID,NOSPAM_INC,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Greetings insomniacs, Header says it all. In order to provide a bit more headroom to display possibly bigger propagation peaks, the sensitivity of the DCF-39 monitoring system has been dropped 10dB. http://www.w3eee.com 73, Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2443 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 20:12:29 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 20:12:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 1899 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 20:11:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 20:11:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aiGJ-0000eG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:11:15 +0000 Received: from [200.230.104.195] (helo=magicsite.magichosting.com.br) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aiGJ-0000e7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:11:15 +0000 Received: from Marcus (unverified [200.192.7.22]) by magicsite.magichosting.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:15:49 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c2c0c8$c4b6ed30$9801a8c0@gigacom.com.br> From: "PY2PLL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <23.2aadfb3f.2b5c5522@aol.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20030120171137.00b158e0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:12:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Loops x Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=6.0tests=MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi James . . . > It seems to me this is quite a large loop, and will generate a large output: Yes, it´s large ... at least the bigest one I ever did. And it´s a prototype. I´m using PVC covered wire ... not soft enough to have evenly "nice" turns spacing. > > For your loop, and a f/s of 1uV/m, this gives 0.21uV @ 400k, 0.85uV @ 1600k., > With a Q of 200, the voltage at resonance will be increased to 42uV @ 400k, > 170uV @ 1600k I think I´ll built a smaller one, just to make some "real" FSM and then generate a table with the levels obtained with the bigger one. I have an SLM from G&W which have a balanced 6K / unbalanced 75ohm input Z. > The loop noise depends on the RX bandwidth, but in 10kHz BW it will be > roughly 6uV @ 400k, 12uV @ 1600k. So for 1uV/m, SNR would be 17dB @ 400k, > 23dB @ 1600k. The thermal noise in my tables are simply the "coil" thermal noise @ 250Hz BW. I used the article formula´s. > The tuning is a problem - 4:1 tuning range needs 16:1 capacitance > variation, including the stray capacitance of the loop. If L is about 446uH > from the table, this means 350p - 22p. The stray capacitance of the loop > may be greater than 22p, so you may not get the full tuning range. Using a > varicap diode, it is unlikely the minimum- to maximum capacitance ratio > will be high enough. it may be necessary to reduce the number of turns and > use a larger tuning capacitor. The loop turns are spaced by 5mm. I used G4FGQ´s software to estimate stray C ... > The other problem is that local stations will give very large signals - eg. > 10mV/m from an 1MHz MF broadcast station will result in about 1V across the > loop at resonance, which will probably lead to severe intermods from both > the preamp and the varicap. Ooopps ... this is true ... air-insulated C is winning ... > You could connect the preamp across only 1 turn > instead of all 9 - this would still give several uV out for 1uV/m f/s, more > than enough for a decent receiver. I already did this way. I couldn´t resist to test it with an air-variable C and no pre-amp so I added a 1 turn loop inside the main one, about 3 inches between coils. > In fact, since the loop output is so > large, you could probably eliminate the preamp by using a single turn > coupling loop to a 50ohm RX input. The air-variable tuning capacitor would > also be a good idea for this reason, unless you live a very long way from > any broadcast stations! I guess I´ll keep this 1 turn solution ... the local BCs - nearest is about 5Km away - are pushing Kachina´s S Meter from 9+40 to 9+70 with internal pre-amp off. I´ll start the 136KHz prototype and compare it´s performance using 153KHz BC and DCF39 as signal sources. Thanks on the comments; 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL http://py.qsl.br Active from "DC" to Laser ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6501 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 20:04:42 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 20:04:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 9875 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 20:04:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 20:04:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ai95-0000WI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:03:47 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ai95-0000W9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:03:47 +0000 Received: from [80.225.198.170] (helo=hughspc) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18ahvL-00074R-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:49:35 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c2c0be$f4054320$aac6e150@hughspc> From: "Hugh" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030117183432.00af50f0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:57:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Jim, Thankyou for your contribution on the notch filter. Also for the idea about the "Luxemborg effect". I notice the sounds and patterning on the screen are only there during the hours of darkness, does that prove that it is the ionosphere and not the radio ? Does the ionosphere cause non-linear mixing of higher frequencies or just LF ? Have you tried out your buffer circuit - or is it just a "circuit idea" I wonder ? 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14041 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 20:03:47 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 20:03:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 2107 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 20:05:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 20:05:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ai94-0000W5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:03:46 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ai94-0000Vw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:03:46 +0000 Received: from [80.225.198.170] (helo=hughspc) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18ahvK-00074R-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:49:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2c0be$f3775b00$aac6e150@hughspc> From: "Hugh" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000401c2bf5f$2864fae0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:50:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PA0BWL received at M0WYE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi PA0BWL I don't know if you monitor this reflector, but if you do you were an excellent signal here at Wye, Near Ashford. JO01LE. I answered your QRSS CQ call just before 13:00, but I don't think you can have heard me. Your signals were audible in the loudspeaker. 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31048 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 19:22:18 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 19:22:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 1752 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 19:21:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 19:21:31 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ahTS-0000N6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:20:46 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ahTR-0000Mx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:20:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18ahSt-00029y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:20:11 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ahSi-0006tU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:20:00 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030120171137.00b158e0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:14:42 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <004401c2c0a2$25622860$9801a8c0@gigacom.com.br> References: <23.2aadfb3f.2b5c5522@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Loops x Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Marcus, LF Group, It seems to me this is quite a large loop, and will generate a large output: I think across an untuned loop V = 2.1e-8.f.N.A.E where N = turns, f is frequency in Hz, A is area in m^2, E is f/s in V/m For your loop, and a f/s of 1uV/m, this gives 0.21uV @ 400k, 0.85uV @ 1600k., With a Q of 200, the voltage at resonance will be increased to 42uV @ 400k, 170uV @ 1600k The loop noise depends on the RX bandwidth, but in 10kHz BW it will be roughly 6uV @ 400k, 12uV @ 1600k. So for 1uV/m, SNR would be 17dB @ 400k, 23dB @ 1600k. The JFET noise will be negligible. I think most of the time the atmospheric noise level in 10k BW at MF will be well above 1uV/m, so it should be more than sensitive enough. Reducing the Q to 100 due to resistors or varicap will make the output voltage decrease by 6dB and loop noise decrease by 3dB - still probably OK. Reducing the RX bandwidth will improve the SNR, of course. The tuning is a problem - 4:1 tuning range needs 16:1 capacitance variation, including the stray capacitance of the loop. If L is about 446uH from the table, this means 350p - 22p. The stray capacitance of the loop may be greater than 22p, so you may not get the full tuning range. Using a varicap diode, it is unlikely the minimum- to maximum capacitance ratio will be high enough. it may be necessary to reduce the number of turns and use a larger tuning capacitor. The other problem is that local stations will give very large signals - eg. 10mV/m from an 1MHz MF broadcast station will result in about 1V across the loop at resonance, which will probably lead to severe intermods from both the preamp and the varicap. You could connect the preamp across only 1 turn instead of all 9 - this would still give several uV out for 1uV/m f/s, more than enough for a decent receiver. In fact, since the loop output is so large, you could probably eliminate the preamp by using a single turn coupling loop to a 50ohm RX input. The air-variable tuning capacitor would also be a good idea for this reason, unless you live a very long way from any broadcast stations! Hope this is helpful, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU At 13:35 20/01/2003 -0300, you wrote: >Hi ... > >After read an article last year (Wireless World) about loop antennas X DCF39 >calibration, I constructed a octogonal RX loop, #16 awg wire, to cover from >400KHz to 1.6MHz. > >There´s 9 turns, 5mm spacing, 1.9 meter diameter. About 55 meter of wire. > >This is the first version. Later I´ll build another one to 136KHz. > >Acording with this article, I should expect a Q=200 ... 220 from such loop. > >I considered the NTE618 to tune it and a push-pull pre-amp (J310) with gates >conected to the loop ends. No resistors there. The article consider that for >such loop at this frequency will have something like .20uV of thermal noise. >The resistors will add some extra noise there so I removed them. > >But the Q=210 ... and the NTE618 Q is 200. > >Is there any gain If I use a dual-gang air variable driven by a step motor + >reduction in place of the NTE618? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7037 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 18:32:08 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 18:32:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 13114 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 18:31:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 18:31:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ageD-0000A0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:27:49 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18age8-00009r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:27:44 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.234.62]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030120182743.FMET19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:27:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2c0b1$9d4cddc0$3eeafc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:26:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: DXPEDITION Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
I intend to be in Tyrone/Ireland operating GI3KEV from about the 27th January for two weeks approximately. I will be active on 136.5 khz normal CW and QRS around 135.922 khz plus/minus to avoid other activity. Frequencies can vary to avoid qrm. I have VFO control. I will be active during weekdays and weekends, daytime as well as night time. 
I will be transmitting QRS during late evening/early morning for Transatlantic xband QSO'S. TX 135.922 and RX on HF 7030 Khz. I will not have email facilities so therefore please reply on HF, or tel nr 0774 808 8937.
Antenna consists of a 120 feet tower with 3 x inv L antennas each with a horizontal  top section of 300 feet approx.
 TX H/Built mosfet, power approx 1W erp. HF antenna doublet for all bands 1.8 - 50 mhz up at 80 feet.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20605 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 17:46:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 17:46:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 15195 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 17:46:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 17:46:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18afzV-0008Ri-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:45:45 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.18] (helo=cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18afzU-0008RZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:45:45 +0000 Received: from modem-218.new-mexico.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.82.218] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18afzT-0004vA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:45:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2c0ad$20289180$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:54:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re Early morning tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Jim and the LF group, Last nights experiment was useful,it certainly seems that early morning is a good time,however I am sure that the situation we have had recently is "average".When the earlier crossings on 136 and my 73kHz crossings were made,conditions were above average.I am sure that this requires a period of decay 14-20 days after a disturbance CME etc. As we are moving into a less active solar situation (2006 is predicted as the minimum) perhaps we should make the most of the present situation. Anyway thanks for all the reports. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19903 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 17:18:59 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 17:18:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28926 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 17:20:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 17:20:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18afaB-0008Jp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:19:35 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.174] (helo=cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18afaB-0008Jg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:19:35 +0000 Received: from modem-124.calaquendi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.144.124] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18afaA-0004Gj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:19:34 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c2c0a9$78ff52c0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:28:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re AQC capture in Maryland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Lloyd, I tried to send a mail to your address but it was rejected twice.So I hope the group will excuse me sending it via the reflector.I simply want to say thanks for the capture, it looks like early morning(here) is a good time as Jim predicted.Looking foreward to recieving you chaps when the time comes. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11897 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 15:47:35 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 15:47:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 11400 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 15:47:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 15:47:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ae8K-0007yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:46:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.10] (helo=public.thorcom.com ident=[y5qZ6DDMOo1EcTRRMHw/lxVE68ML0PyJ]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ae8K-0007yk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:46:44 +0000 Received: from [200.230.104.195] (helo=magicsite.magichosting.com.br) by public.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ae8I-0007zJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:46:43 +0000 Received: from Marcus (unverified [200.192.7.22]) by magicsite.magichosting.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: <004401c2c0a2$25622860$9801a8c0@gigacom.com.br> From: "PY2PLL" To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <23.2aadfb3f.2b5c5522@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:35:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loops x Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=6.0tests=MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi ... After read an article last year (Wireless World) about loop antennas X DCF39 calibration, I constructed a octogonal RX loop, #16 awg wire, to cover from 400KHz to 1.6MHz. There´s 9 turns, 5mm spacing, 1.9 meter diameter. About 55 meter of wire. This is the first version. Later I´ll build another one to 136KHz. Acording with this article, I should expect a Q=200 ... 220 from such loop. I considered the NTE618 to tune it and a push-pull pre-amp (J310) with gates conected to the loop ends. No resistors there. The article consider that for such loop at this frequency will have something like .20uV of thermal noise. The resistors will add some extra noise there so I removed them. But the Q=210 ... and the NTE618 Q is 200. Is there any gain If I use a dual-gang air variable driven by a step motor + reduction in place of the NTE618? P.S.: I put two tables, considering standard loop areas, both for 136 and BC band at: http://py.qsl.br/loop136e.gif and http://py.qsl.br/loop-om-e.gif 73 Marcus PY3CRX/PY2PLL http://py.qsl.br Active from "DC" to Laser ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30870 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 14:20:50 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 14:20:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20493 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 14:20:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 14:20:07 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aclt-0007dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:19:29 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aclt-0007dq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:19:29 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18ackM-0006Pp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:17:54 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ackK-0000tQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:17:52 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030120135340.00b09da8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:17:51 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030120111745.00b03438@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030119133336.00af1b50@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Early morning tests? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, Thanks to all for the T/A reports. The interesting thing is that, allthough from the DCF39 plots last night was quite good by recent standards, the signal strength was not a long way above the threshold required for copy of QRSS60, and the signals fade in and out. For example, in W1TAG's "20 Jan-4" image, the M of my callsign is visible, most of the 0 has dissapeared, and the BMU is again visible. Since this same path has previously supported signals with shorter element lengths (eg, Jason during December with it's 12 sec "dots"), it is clear that signal levels can improve substantially over last night - perhaps by 10dB or more. I would like to see what the DCF39 plot looks like then! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20260 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 13:54:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 13:54:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 12813 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 13:54:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 13:54:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18acMl-0007TJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:53:31 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18acMl-0007TA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:53:31 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030120135420.HVRQ17780.host3@att.net> for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:54:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3E2BFF56.5E28E640@att.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:53:26 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030120111745.00b03438@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001201c2c07c$06a43e20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: Re: LF: Early morning tests? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Looks like my best capture of Laurie's and Jim's signal occurred around 0630. Comparing John's captures with mine it's obvious it takes a little better conditions or a little more power to get another 1130 km. The difference certainly can't be due to skill and equipment :) Best screen is: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/20jan03/0630.jpg All overnight captures with any trace of signal can be seen from the directory: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/20jan03/ Lloyd's 0730 capture from Maryland shows good copy of both signals while Laurie's signal has vanished here. Was still seeing some of Jim's signal though. Lloyds capture: http://www.geocities.com/lacwman/135jan20.jpg Dex John Andrews wrote: > > Jim's and Laurie's excellent morning signals may be seen in the "20Jan" > files at: > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136/ > > "M0BMU" sure didn't fit on one screen! > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1697 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 13:33:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 13:33:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4125 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 13:34:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 13:34:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ac3U-0007LJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:33:36 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ac3U-0007LA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:33:36 +0000 Received: from host213-1-129-74.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.129.74] helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18ac3T-0001Mk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:33:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c2c088$58143600$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:32:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: lloyd's plot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Lloyd there is a clear QRSS trace of "BMU" at 922 Congratulations. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31176 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 12:19:51 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 12:19:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 8960 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 12:19:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 12:19:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aatU-00074F-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:19:12 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.20] (helo=dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aatT-000746-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:19:11 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 56539101 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:03:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c2c07c$06a43e20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030120111745.00b03438@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:04:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Early morning tests? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jim's and Laurie's excellent morning signals may be seen in the "20Jan" files at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136/ "M0BMU" sure didn't fit on one screen! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14361 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 12:09:56 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 12:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15163 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 12:09:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 12:09:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aaje-000701-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:09:02 +0000 Received: from [205.197.48.109] (helo=gemini.smart.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aajd-0006zs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:09:02 +0000 Received: from dpc000 ([162.33.221.226]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA02228 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:08:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c2c07c$bd46b2c0$cc28730a@direcpc.com> From: "lloyd chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:09:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 135.922 capture in Maryland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Here is a capture of AQC at about 0739z hr in Maryland www.geocities.com/lacwman/135jan20.jpg may have been traces of others?/ de Lloyd W3NF FM19MH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6010 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 12:04:11 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 12:04:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24105 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 12:03:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 12:03:55 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aaeD-0006uw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:03:25 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.7] (helo=imo-m04.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aaeC-0006ul-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:03:24 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.143.8329d3c (4262) for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:02:47 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <143.8329d3c.2b5d3f67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 07:02:47 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re. T/A Again Tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi John, Dexter, Jim and Laurie,

congrats for the ufb results of the early morning T/A session: Jim and Laurie were continuously visible with O-signals on John's screenshots from before 05:00 until QRT around 7:30 and 8:20 respectively. Also, both callsigns are very clear on Dexters 07:10 capture. No trace though of the third party in the middle (myself) ;-(.

Compared to Sat/Sun, DCF39 plots from W3EEE showed a later start of the opening, with strong saturated levels after 02:00 and a continuous flat peak from 04:00 right through to the short interruption at 07:30.

Tnx for watching and posting captures, 73 es best wishes

Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14117 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 11:37:24 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 11:37:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 8490 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Jan 2003 11:36:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 11:36:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aaD4-0006mp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:35:22 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aaD3-0006mg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:35:21 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18aaCo-0006I7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:35:06 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18aaCm-0003I4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:35:04 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030120111745.00b03438@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:28:17 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030119133336.00af1b50@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Early morning tests? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, Transmitted "M0BMU" repeated from about 0400 - 0730 utc this morning using QRSS60 on 139.9225kHz, and something around 1W ERP. I also saw DFCW signals from G3AQC and DF6NM. The signal levels on W3EEE's DCF39 chart look good for that period, up near the "clipping" level - anybody see anything? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23570 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 10:16:24 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 10:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 24275 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 10:15:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 10:15:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aYuZ-0006On-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:12:11 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [212.35.226.183] (helo=k2.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aYuZ-0006Oe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:12:11 +0000 Received: from k7t.pncl.co.uk (82.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.82]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h0KAC9sw030136 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:12:10 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030120101112.00a1f220@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:13:57 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" In-reply-to: <008001c2be80$03984f80$93c863d5@BI57429bankinter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: LF commercial stations Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090202060502010204000403" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090202060502010204000403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 00:27 18/01/03 +0100, EA1PX wrote:

Hi Group:
 
I copy transmissions on 132.930 and 133.230 kHz.
Can anyone to confirm me if they are of the Datatrak System and where are the TX located?
 
73 de José, EA1PX


Hello Jose,

They are Datatrak but there are no stations in Iberia so it must be skywave from the UK, Dutch or Austrian transmitters. Difficult to tell which because they are interleaved.

73 de Walter, G3JKV
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Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --------------090202060502010204000403-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8178 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 10:13:48 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 10:13:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 25219 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 10:13:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 10:13:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aYra-0006NX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:09:06 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.210] (helo=cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aYra-0006NO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:09:06 +0000 Received: from modem-33.kentucky.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.68.33] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18aYrY-0003PK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:09:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2c06d$554a5be0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:17:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re. T/A Again Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi All, Further to Jims tests,I made the following transmissions last night/this morning. 0900 - 0000 AQC repeated 0500 AQC once 20 mins. 0600 AQC once 20 mins 0700 - 0830 AQC repeated Hope this helps. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1272 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 00:13:54 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 00:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 331 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2003 00:13:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2003 00:13:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aPYE-0004vo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:12:30 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.17] (helo=mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aPYD-0004ve-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:12:29 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 22215271 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c2c018$9a3e08a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <158.1a9c4854.2b5c77a4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:12:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: T/A Again Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Just received a good AQC on 135.9209/135.921. No other signals thus far. I should be getting a Loran line on 135.92092 later on, so I may have trouble with that frequency. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19133 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 23:29:56 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 23:29:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 24062 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Jan 2003 23:29:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 23:29:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aOrs-0004mQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:28:44 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aOrr-0004mH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:28:44 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030119232932.XKIK16020.host3@att.net> for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:29:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3E2B34A8.3AE13590@att.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:28:40 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <158.1a9c4854.2b5c77a4@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: T/A Again Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I'm up and running on 135 kHz as of 23:00 hrs. Screen captures will be posted at the usual location: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.jpg Will leave system running overnight in auto mode. Dex MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > > Dear John and LF Group, > > now Sunday 21:30, I have signed on using 135922.2 /.3Hz DFCW > (60s/20s), which is 1.28Hz above Laurie's AQC. Will try to keep going > for at least a couple of hours now and then come back in the morning > around 06:00. Wx here is humid and no frost, EDRP abt 0.2W, some 4dB > less than a week ago. > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9284 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 23:19:54 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 23:19:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 25294 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 23:19:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 23:19:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aOiX-0004gL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:19:05 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aOiX-0004gC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:19:05 +0000 Received: from host213-122-86-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.86.98] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18aOiW-0003Jh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:19:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2c011$042e10a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:17:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF propagation 19/20th Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi All, nothing much has changed on the solar front. The day has been quiet with no flares and a background X-ray flux of about B5. The Kp index did go up to 4 again for 3 perios, and is expected to stay in the 2 to 4 range over the next few days. I dont expect that increase to have a great effect on conditions at 136kHz. There is just the possibility that it may start to increase absorption a little from Tuesday, though these low levels (4) in the past have not produced noticable effects. The first signs of trouble will probably be deep troughs on Steve's plots. Good Luck to those trying the early morning "watch". Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32372 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 21:55:07 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 21:55:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 10696 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 21:55:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 21:55:06 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aNLP-0004RP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:51:07 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.162] (helo=imo-m07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aNLN-0004RG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:51:05 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.158.1a9c4854 (4552) for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:50:28 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <158.1a9c4854.2b5c77a4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 16:50:28 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: T/A Again Tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear John and LF Group,

now Sunday 21:30, I have signed on using 135922.2 /.3Hz DFCW (60s/20s), which is 1.28Hz above Laurie's AQC. Will try to keep going for at least a couple of hours now and then come back in the morning around 06:00. Wx here is humid and no frost, EDRP abt 0.2W, some 4dB less than a week ago.

73 de Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13703 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 20:42:11 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 20:42:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 18767 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 20:41:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 20:41:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aMEN-0004Cu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:39:47 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aMEM-0004Cj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:39:46 +0000 Received: from [213.40.211.98] (helo=tcs1) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18aMDq-0006rM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:39:15 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:40:53 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signal. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi to you all at LF, For about 3 or four days or so I have been receiving a cw type signal on about 137.280 Khz continually sending what is like a letter N without breaks or spaces, something like "dah dit dah dit dah dit dah dit" continuously. It has only recently appeared it is audible but weak & visually the characters are perfectly repetitive (always the same space, dot & dash length). Can anyone else hear/see it or could it be something local to me or a mix product ? Would appreciate any explanation. Thanks 73 Gary G4WGT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24748 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 18:47:50 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 18:47:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 17511 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 18:47:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 18:47:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aKTN-0003s8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:47:09 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aKTI-0003rz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:47:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.172]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030119184704.FXSL21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:47:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2bfeb$26733760$accdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:45:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Cockatoo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I have just worked VK3IO /Ron in Cockatoo Aus on 160 metres. This is a good omen for tonight for those adventuring to cross the Atlantic on 136 khz. In the past when 160 prop is good likewise LF is good for long haul.
Good Luck de Mal.G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11692 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 17:31:01 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 17:31:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16629 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 17:30:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 17:30:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aJGh-0003eO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:29:59 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aJGh-0003eF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:29:59 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.209.120]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030119172958.JYLN29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:29:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2bfe0$4fdc1c80$78d1fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:28:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false To whom it may concern, for various reasons there will be no radio activity from MI0AYZ for a few weeks, although I shall still be watching the reflector. Anyone wanting a 73KHz QSO will I hope get one before the season closes. 73, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29906 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 14:13:29 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 14:13:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 23969 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 14:14:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 14:14:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aGDY-000392-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:14:32 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.27] (helo=mx17.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aGDY-00038t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:14:32 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx17.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 23443573 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c2bfc5$11e0c180$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030119133336.00af1b50@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:14:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Again Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I will run the screen captures again tonight (Sunday --> Monday) on 135.922 kHz, starting at 2100 and ending at 1200 on Monday. This should take care of any who don't have to go to work tomorrow, as well as those who can't wait to get there. Jim's suggestion is an excellent one. I've had my best results here in the U.S. during the immediate pre-dawn hours. Captures will be posted at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136-1.jpg John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18386 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 14:09:18 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 14:09:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 20987 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 14:08:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 14:08:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aG7G-00035M-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:08:02 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.20] (helo=dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aG7F-000356-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:08:01 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 56179456 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:07:30 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c2bfc4$28e9c760$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c2bf62$233a03a0$597e6051@oemcomputer> <00b001c2bf63$ce652d80$0500a8c0@charter.net> <000801c2bfbe$526c0ea0$597e6051@oemcomputer> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:07:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mike, > I think you are right. I took a couple of screen dumps from your site and > cannot see anything I could positively identify as my sigs. Do you have an > archive of the night's captures? I have posted four captures from the most productive part of the night at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136/ The Newfoundland line shouldn't have affected my ability to see you, but perhaps you could go a little "north" of that. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15715 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 13:56:37 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 13:56:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 1854 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 13:58:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 13:58:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aFx9-0002zm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:57:35 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aFx9-0002zd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:57:35 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18aFx5-000258-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:57:31 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18aFx4-0001gB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:57:30 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030119133336.00af1b50@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:54:36 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Early morning tests? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, Looking at W3EEE's very useful graphs of DCF39 over the last week or so, it looks like the best conditions are quite consistently in the few hours before 0600 - it's just unfortunate that normal humans like to be tucked up in bed at that time! So in an attempt to find out if T/A propagation really is better then, I propose to do some tests tomorrow morning, starting before or at 0400 and carrying on until 0700 or so - so if US listeners would like to leave their gear running until then, hopefully something will be seen. I will try QRSS60 on 135.9225kHz, unless someone is already there, in which case I will re-tune a few tenths of a Hz. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23121 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 13:27:35 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 13:27:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 20090 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Jan 2003 13:29:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 13:29:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18aFRa-0002rb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:24:58 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.47] (helo=mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18aFRV-0002rS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:24:53 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030119132449.ZRES5233.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:24:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2bfbe$526c0ea0$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c2bf62$233a03a0$597e6051@oemcomputer> <00b001c2bf63$ce652d80$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:26:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > I believe the signal you see is a Loran line from Newfoundland on 135921.60. > I can't see any sign of your signal in the captures, but please do go > through them! > John Andrews, W1TAG I think you are right. I took a couple of screen dumps from your site and cannot see anything I could positively identify as my sigs. Do you have an archive of the night's captures? Looks like I need to improve the signal to get as far as the USA. The W3EEE plot of DCF39 suggested that the band was open for several hours, so perhaps a QRSS120 transmission would be worthwhile. In the meantime, I will use a frequency a little higher to avoid that Loran line. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26271 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 02:39:46 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 02:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 16326 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 02:39:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 02:39:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a5Lm-000834-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:38:18 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.24] (helo=dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a5Lm-00082r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:38:18 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 54472215 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:37:47 -0500 Message-ID: <00b001c2bf63$ce652d80$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c2bf62$233a03a0$597e6051@oemcomputer> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:38:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mike, > There is one other > signal present which is within 0.1Hz of my frequency and has some of the > characteristics of my signal (dots and dashes made from 30s elements with > gaps in between), but not sure. Will do a comparison in the morning between > my local Argo monitoring and the W1TAG Argo. I believe the signal you see is a Loran line from Newfoundland on 135921.60. I can't see any sign of your signal in the captures, but please do go through them! I will leave the capture running overnight in case there are any early risers who may want to try the morning path. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18830 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 02:27:13 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 02:27:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 19013 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 02:26:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 02:26:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a59U-0007wV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:25:36 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a59U-0007wM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:25:36 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030119022535.YKXO900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:25:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c2bf62$233a03a0$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:26:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Nice sigs from Laurie and Dave on the W1TAG screen. There is one other signal present which is within 0.1Hz of my frequency and has some of the characteristics of my signal (dots and dashes made from 30s elements with gaps in between), but not sure. Will do a comparison in the morning between my local Argo monitoring and the W1TAG Argo. Going to bed now at 0225. I will pay for this late night with a migraine! The things we do for ham radio. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24714 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:56:08 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:56:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 29063 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:55:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:55:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a4g0-0007lv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:55:08 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a4g0-0007lm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:55:08 +0000 Received: from modem-32.draugluin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.158.32] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18a4fz-00081s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:55:07 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2bf5f$2864fae0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:01:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re 135.921 tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Gotta get some sleep now,thanks for the captures. Best of luck GN all. Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17621 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:35:02 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13764 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:34:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:34:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a4LR-0007ce-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:33:53 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a4LQ-0007cV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:33:52 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18a4LQ-0000PT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:33:52 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c2bf5a$f484c920$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:34:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thanks everyone. I'm off to bed. Last message was "GN" in case it's not too clear! I had a bit of tripping due to heavy rain which delayed the last "M" of the callsign at 01:10ish. Good Night. Dave 'YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11836 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:31:54 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:31:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 16033 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:31:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:31:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a4I2-0007ZM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:30:22 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.15] (helo=mx05.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a4I2-0007Z8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:30:22 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 56145412 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401c2bf5a$50bb28c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> <005001c2bf28$561355e0$1700a8c0@home> <008701c2bf52$73ba2e00$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002c01c2bf55$1202e460$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:30:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,UPPERCASE_25_50,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dave, Was that a GN from you? If so, GN! John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31493 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:12:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:12:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 1430 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 01:12:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 01:12:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a3zP-0007So-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:11:07 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a3zP-0007Sf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:11:07 +0000 Received: from modem-16.beleg.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.136.144] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18a3zO-0005En-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:11:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c2bf59$01fc4620$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> <005001c2bf28$561355e0$1700a8c0@home> <008701c2bf52$73ba2e00$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:16:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: T/A tonight > Dave - your DFCW is coming in well right now. > > Good signal from what I think is Laurie on 921.3. > > John A. > > Yes I confirm 921.3, nothing yet on Dex's capture. going to DFCW now. Cheers Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30019 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:57:08 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 5122 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Jan 2003 00:57:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:57:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a3iF-0007JA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:53:23 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.25] (helo=dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a3iF-0007J0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:53:23 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 24738145 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:52:52 -0500 Message-ID: <009801c2bf55$263db9a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002301c2bf4e$9dd91880$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:53:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Got a complete YXM. Both Dave and Laurie are doing very well right now. No sign of other sigs, though. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20894 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:56:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20984 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:55:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:55:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a3ge-0007Ia-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:51:44 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a3ge-0007IR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:51:44 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18a3ge-0003TB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:51:44 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c2bf55$1202e460$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> <005001c2bf28$561355e0$1700a8c0@home> <008701c2bf52$73ba2e00$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:52:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false John. Yes I can see one complete "YXM" on the latest screen and Laurie is very strong. Interesting that our two signals came out of the noise at different times earlier. I am about 120 miles north and about 50 west of Laurie. Dave 'YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: T/A tonight > Dave - your DFCW is coming in well right now. > > Good signal from what I think is Laurie on 921.3. > > John A. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13984 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:35:38 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 13306 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:35:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:35:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a3PZ-0007AA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:34:05 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.13] (helo=dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a3PY-0007A1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:34:04 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 72073529 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:33:33 -0500 Message-ID: <008701c2bf52$73ba2e00$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> <005001c2bf28$561355e0$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:33:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dave - your DFCW is coming in well right now. Good signal from what I think is Laurie on 921.3. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16901 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:04:44 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:04:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1266 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:06:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:06:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a2xy-000719-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:05:34 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a2xx-000710-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:05:33 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18a2xx-0000gJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:05:33 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c2bf4e$9dd91880$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:06:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: tests Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just a hint of signals on John's latest scan.
 
Dave 'YXM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22214 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:04:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:04:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 396 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2003 00:04:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 2003 00:04:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a2vl-0006yG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:03:17 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.25] (helo=dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a2vl-0006y7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:03:17 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 24722814 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:02:46 -0500 Message-ID: <007201c2bf4e$267bd840$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <74S2VLF93VUXSTQGSM09USTSNL3YJF.3e29837a@Charlie_Drake> <004201c2bf46$e6e24680$0de486d4@erica> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:03:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Is anyone transmitting on 135921.3? John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16430 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 23:10:19 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 23:10:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 21015 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 23:09:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 23:09:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a25I-0006is-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:09:04 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a25H-0006ij-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:09:04 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030118230951.ASX15467.host3@att.net> for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:09:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3E29DE95.B40BC85@att.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:09:09 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> <002501c2bf2c$88cd0900$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Noise here in NC is about as low as it gets. It isn't often I can run Argo in manual gain mode. This probably won't last long after dark. Screen captures will be available at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.jpg Dex John Andrews wrote: > > I am running the "capture machine" again tonight. Shots will appear every 15 > minutes at: > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136-1.jpg > > The window is from 135920.5 to 135923.5. Avoid 921.05 and 920.92 because of > Loran lines. The screen is set for 60 seconds, normal speed. > > Dave: I had a strong line on 921.8 all day yesterday, ending sometime during > the early morning over here. I don't see it right now, but will advise if it > reappears. > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15479 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 23:09:49 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 23:09:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 14166 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 23:09:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 23:09:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a255-0006if-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:08:51 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a255-0006iW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:08:51 +0000 Received: from tnt-21-13.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.13] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18a252-0009xA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:08:49 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c2bf46$e6e24680$0de486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <74S2VLF93VUXSTQGSM09USTSNL3YJF.3e29837a@Charlie_Drake> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:08:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: LF T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Steve 13/1/03 > Having just returned from a week long business trip to find that > w3eee.com was still working(!) I'm also gratified to see that it is > of use . . . This is really a very useful site and I have contributed somewhat to w3eee.com hits. I guess this is an extension of the service that Alan provided when he monitored the station in Newfoundland but gives us a good idea of the propagation from a North American perspective. The ability of the display to monitor adjacent channels for electronic environment (squirglies) so that we get a fuller picture is very well thought out. The fact that it is in near real time is a real bonus and enables us to keep our powder dry until we have something to shoot at. >.... also amazed by the great propagation it captured last night. Yes, this seems nearly as good as the 'Scorcher' early this month. Acting on the information from KL1X in his e-mail of the 13/1/03, and from the strength of DFC39 on the w3eee site, I transmitted from 0600 until 0900 on 137769kHz. I will have to wait until 3rd Feb to know if this was successful. (The 'Scorcher' at w3eee coincided with large strength EU B/C station signal strengths in Alaska). I don't think I will be transmitting tonight. Gale force winds and driving rain make putting up the antenna just a tad too exciting! (new pictures of G3LDO LF station and antenna on web site, see below) > > > As Alan has noted, some traces show suspicious signs of the > measuring system clipping, or 'topping out'; this can be seen at > about the -8dB level on the !' trace, and at 0700z+ on > the present trace. Yes, the 'top' sensitivity are probably more important than the bottom when trying to correlate DFC39 or other commercial stations with amateur stations in propagation studies. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11067 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 22:15:50 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 22:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10004 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 22:15:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 22:15:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18a1EP-0006VP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:14:25 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetmx2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18a1EL-0006VG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 22:14:21 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.98.209.55]) by tnetmx2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8XKFW01.94M for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:14:20 +0100 Message-ID: <005701c2bf3e$ea9b0260$bbcb99c1@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c2bee7$4baf55e0$96e9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:14:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: EA1PX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks for nice report Mal.
 
73 de José, EA1PX
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: LF: EA1PX

I saw your signal a couple of nights ago at OOO copy. You were calling cq around 137.7 khz. F6BWO was also on at the same time with a very strong signal.
73 de Mal/G3KEV IO94SH
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29474 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 20:04:45 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 20:04:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18118 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Jan 2003 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 20:04:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZzAv-000675-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:02:41 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.26] (helo=mx16.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZzAu-00066w-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:02:40 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx16.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 22938184 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c2bf2c$88cd0900$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:02:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I am running the "capture machine" again tonight. Shots will appear every 15 minutes at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136-1.jpg The window is from 135920.5 to 135923.5. Avoid 921.05 and 920.92 because of Loran lines. The screen is set for 60 seconds, normal speed. Dave: I had a strong line on 921.8 all day yesterday, ending sometime during the early morning over here. I don't see it right now, but will advise if it reappears. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3694 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 19:36:11 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 19:36:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 12691 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 19:36:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 19:36:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Zyko-000606-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:35:42 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.46] (helo=mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Zyko-0005zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:35:42 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030118193537.VKXJ20174.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:35:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c2bf28$f5692160$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> <005001c2bf28$561355e0$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:36:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > If anyone is prepared to post grabs I'll join in too, 60sec DFCW on > 135.9228/9 until I fall asleep, probably about 0100. > Dave G3YXM. Mine will be QRSS60, too. My mistake. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28660 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 19:33:05 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 19:33:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 5470 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Jan 2003 19:32:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 19:32:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Zygq-0005ub-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:31:36 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Zygq-0005uS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:31:36 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Zygp-0004a9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:31:35 +0000 Message-ID: <005001c2bf28$561355e0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:32:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false If anyone is prepared to post grabs I'll join in too, 60sec DFCW on 135.9228/9 until I fall asleep, probably about 0100. Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: LF: T/A tonight > I missed last night's message, but would be happy to transmit tonight > (Sat/Sun) using QRSS120 on 135.92175kHz for as long as I can. > > Mike, G3XDV > http://www.lf.thersgb.net > ==================== > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24754 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 19:22:15 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 19:22:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 22049 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 19:21:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 19:21:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZyW4-0005qE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:20:28 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.47] (helo=mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZyW4-0005q5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:20:28 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030118192027.RZNN5233.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:20:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2bf26$d4e90a60$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:21:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I missed last night's message, but would be happy to transmit tonight (Sat/Sun) using QRSS120 on 135.92175kHz for as long as I can. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5354 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 17:00:46 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 17:00:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11231 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Jan 2003 17:00:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 17:00:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZwJp-0005R2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:59:41 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZwJp-0005Qt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:59:41 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18ZwJp-0004gU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:59:41 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c2bf13$1efa5000$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <74S2VLF93VUXSTQGSM09USTSNL3YJF.3e29837a@Charlie_Drake> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:00:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Steve. Yes it's excellent. laurie and I did try some T/A tests last night but were diappointed by the results around 0000utc and went off. It looks from your latest graph that we should have persevered! The sig/noise at 0600 looks very good. You need to couple that s/n figure to a big bell in our bedrooms! Cheers. Dave Pick G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dove" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A > Greetings, fellow static-heads, > > Having just returned from a week long business trip to find that > w3eee.com was still working(!) I'm also gratified to see that it is > of use . . . also amazed by the great propagation it captured > last night. > > (1) Daytime noises > > As Peter queried and Alan correctly answered, the daytime > noises evident are switch-mode 'squirglies' and the odd electric > drill from construction down the road. When I'm here (w3eee.com > is in my downstairs office) I'm able to 'police' the house for known > grotties that have otherwise not been fixed, 'retired' or 'broken'. > These are the ones that require 'social engineering' to keep under > control. There is a bad one from an adjacent property (300' away) > about which nothing much can be done. > > That said, it is fairly clear if the 'squirglies' are causing false readings; > that is the purpose of the 'control' traces from adjacent frequencies. > And since the 'squirglies' really only affect measurements when no-one > in their right mind is going to be attempting transatlantic QSOs, for > the immediate purpose they really don't matter; obviously for the > science aspect, they have to go. This is going to involve a new > antenna, further away from houses - since we're still armpit deep > in snow, and the weather-man's favourite utterance of late is > "single digits!" (of degrees Fahrenheit) this isn't going to happen > any time soon . . . > > Incidentally, the signal strength 'bloom' centered around 1400z > on today's graph is real, and not a 'squirgly' - note that the > noises are well below the DCF trace. > > (2) Data clipping > > As Alan has noted, some traces show suspicious signs of the > measuring system clipping, or 'topping out'; this can be seen at > about the -8dB level on the 'Scorcher!' trace, and at 0700z+ on > the present trace. The actual data figures behind these traces > still show signs of wiggle, so, I'm really not sure. However, since > there is 'plenty of room' at the low-level end of the graph, at the > next reasonable opportunity (i.e. when the 'puter falls over next) > I might spend the time to recalibrate it down 10dB, as per Alan's > suggestion. > > Don't worry. I'll let you know if it happens, just so that people > won't assume the band's over for the season! > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25013 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 16:46:13 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 16:46:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 26404 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 16:46:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 16:46:02 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Zw2g-0005LK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:41:58 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Zw2g-0005LB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:41:58 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp01445904pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net [68.83.65.211]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H8X0057I4ZEUB@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:40:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:40:26 -0500 From: "Steve Dove" In-reply-to: <000401c2bebe$12363000$d41686d4@erica> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <74S2VLF93VUXSTQGSM09USTSNL3YJF.3e29837a@Charlie_Drake> Organization: d s p MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: LF: LF T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=INVALID_MSGID,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Greetings, fellow static-heads, Having just returned from a week long business trip to find that w3eee.com was still working(!) I'm also gratified to see that it is of use . . . also amazed by the great propagation it captured last night. (1) Daytime noises As Peter queried and Alan correctly answered, the daytime noises evident are switch-mode 'squirglies' and the odd electric drill from construction down the road. When I'm here (w3eee.com is in my downstairs office) I'm able to 'police' the house for known grotties that have otherwise not been fixed, 'retired' or 'broken'. These are the ones that require 'social engineering' to keep under control. There is a bad one from an adjacent property (300' away) about which nothing much can be done. That said, it is fairly clear if the 'squirglies' are causing false readings; that is the purpose of the 'control' traces from adjacent frequencies. And since the 'squirglies' really only affect measurements when no-one in their right mind is going to be attempting transatlantic QSOs, for the immediate purpose they really don't matter; obviously for the science aspect, they have to go. This is going to involve a new antenna, further away from houses - since we're still armpit deep in snow, and the weather-man's favourite utterance of late is "single digits!" (of degrees Fahrenheit) this isn't going to happen any time soon . . . Incidentally, the signal strength 'bloom' centered around 1400z on today's graph is real, and not a 'squirgly' - note that the noises are well below the DCF trace. (2) Data clipping As Alan has noted, some traces show suspicious signs of the measuring system clipping, or 'topping out'; this can be seen at about the -8dB level on the 'Scorcher!' trace, and at 0700z+ on the present trace. The actual data figures behind these traces still show signs of wiggle, so, I'm really not sure. However, since there is 'plenty of room' at the low-level end of the graph, at the next reasonable opportunity (i.e. when the 'puter falls over next) I might spend the time to recalibrate it down 10dB, as per Alan's suggestion. Don't worry. I'll let you know if it happens, just so that people won't assume the band's over for the season! Cheers, Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12751 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 12:44:20 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 12:44:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 7293 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Jan 2003 12:44:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 12:44:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZsJs-0004kx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:43:28 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZsJr-0004ko-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:43:27 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18ZsJh-0001eQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:43:17 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ZsJW-0000pg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:43:06 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030117183432.00af50f0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:42:22 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <72.28eb294e.2b5992b4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Re: Notch for DCF39/Spectrograms/Luxembourg effect Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080400010108040300010502" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080400010108040300010502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 12:09 17/01/2003 -0500, you wrote: ><< This is the wrong way to achieve high impedance (and good IMD), > it is no need to keep the "source current low" {etc} >> > >I do not see anything in the Web page that suggests keeping the source >current low. It only says "reasonable amount," which I took to mean "be sure >to use enough" to keep IMD low. Dear LF Group, The output impedance of a follower is roughly the inverse of it's transconductance, ie. 1/gm. A J310 JFET has a gm of about 10 - 20 mS, so the output impedance is roughly 50 - 100 ohms. To get low distortion, and gain close to unity with such a follower requires that the load it is driving should be much greater than the output impedance of the follower. So a J310 source follower would be fine if driving several hundred ohms or greater, but not for a 50 or 75 ohms system. To get around this, one could use a special FET like the CP640 device used in the AMRAD active antenna circuit, with much higher gm. A small power MOSFET would give a low output impedance, but rather high input capacitance. Bipolar transistors have much higher gm (roughly Ic/25mV), but would have relatively low input impedance, in the kilohm range, and be relatively noisy with a high source impedance. Various high speed op-amps and IC buffers can be used, but they tend to be quite noisy. A cheap and easy alternative is to use a compound follower, with JFET and bipolar followers cascaded. I tried the one shown in the attachment - Zin is basically 500k in parallel with the FET capacitance, the gain with 50ohm load is about 0.95. The noise at 136kHz with the input shorted was about 0.05uV in 400Hz BW. About 1V RMS can be applied to the input before there is much distortion whilst driving 50ohms, so it ought to be OK with most antennas, and is probably better than most receivers. The FET was a J310, but other devices with Idss > about 8mA should be OK. A lower gm device with lower Idss could be used if the 100R resistor were increased in value, but would be noisier. The output BJT used was a 2N3053, but can be a wide range of small power transistors with Hfe > 50 when biased to 30mA or so and fT in the 10s of MHz - eg. BD131, BFY50, ZTX650 etc. Zout is a few ohms - If driving a capacitive load, a resistor in series with the output of 10 - 20 ohms will prevent oscillation. Extra decoupling will be required if the 12V supply is noisy. Using spectrogram software to monitor the band for signals works very well - it allows you to see CW signals that are inaudible, which you can then try to "zoom in" using a narrow filter. Although you can't copy the morse from the screen display, you can detect the presence of signals that are too weak to hear even in the narrowest filter, whilst monitoring the whole band segment at once. Some of the spectrogram programs have DSP audio filters built in, too. The broadcast station noises M0WYE is hearing may well be "Luxembourg effect", where cross-modulation of the DCF39 carrier by the BC signals occurs in the ionosphere, and is often quite strong at my QTH. Usually I can here the audio of at least two stations at once. 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X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZrRP-0004VX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:47:11 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZrRP-0004VO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:47:11 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.150]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030118114709.ODSM29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:47:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c2bee7$51a3b040$96e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:46:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Filters Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 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I have been watching the discussion about Filters on here with interest. With DCF39 you have two modes to cope with, the carrier and the data bursts. A notch filter does not handle this condition very well, because of the sudden bandwidth extension when the data burst occurs. If you cater for this then you also desense/attenuate adjacent frequencies of interest around 137.7 khz a popular frequency for QRS.
The preferred approach would be a tight Bandpass filter at the front end of the RX and good IF selectivity as narrow as you  can manage. This way you will be able to hear/see even the weakest of signals. Some of the  weaker signals on the band at my qth are perfectly readable but only in a very narrow bandwidth, giving a good signal over noise. These same signals are barely detectable with a wide bandwidth, either aural or visual. To ensure that nothing of interest is missed on 73 or 136 khz it is preferable to tune the band slowly with very narrow selectivity. 
To try and monitor the whole band visually with the appropriate bandwidth selected does not work for weak signal reception, these weak signals would be buried in the noise and not detectable.
Most LF operators suffer from poor reception on LF because of environmental noise pickup and the last thing needed is to attenuate signals even more with unnecessary notch filters. The best approach is to use a good sensitive RX with good IF selectivity plus a DSP audio filter (or IF) and if necessary a well designed tight bandpass filter (tuned would be an advantage) at the front end of the RX.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5372 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 11:46:31 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 11:46:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14310 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 11:47:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 11:47:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZrRN-0004VK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:47:09 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZrRI-0004VB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:47:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.150]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030118114659.ODPY29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:46:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c2bee7$4baf55e0$96e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:15:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: EA1PX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I saw your signal a couple of nights ago at OOO copy. You were calling cq around 137.7 khz. F6BWO was also on at the same time with a very strong signal.
73 de Mal/G3KEV IO94SH
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4138 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 07:35:55 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 07:35:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15321 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 07:35:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 07:35:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZnVm-0003w7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:35:26 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZnVm-0003vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:35:26 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-142.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.142] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ZnVl-0009My-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:35:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2bec4$84592f60$8ec828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c2be8c$c6ce4160$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <001601c2be8e$47e4b6c0$09dc9384@jka> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:37:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF conditions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false It is 0730. The W3EEE continues to show an excellent CFH39 signal (-6 or -7 dB) so I will keep up the 137.769+ transmissions. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4124 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 06:54:05 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 06:54:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 14303 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 06:53:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 06:53:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Zmn9-0003lo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 06:49:19 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Zmn8-0003lf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 06:49:19 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-212.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.212] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Zmn7-0006P2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 06:49:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2bebe$12363000$d41686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c2be8c$c6ce4160$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <001601c2be8e$47e4b6c0$09dc9384@jka> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 06:51:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false John Andrews said > > A very nice "Q" toward the end! (from Laurie). The other signal is a line that's been there > all day. I'm not sure of the source. > The W3EEE page showed CFH39 to be not so good at the time At the moment 0645Z it is very good so I am transmitting on 1377695 for a possible capture by KL1X Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17078 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 01:02:16 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 01:02:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 7314 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 01:03:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 01:03:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZhNy-0002vR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:02:58 +0000 Received: from [206.173.118.93] (helo=uhura.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZhNx-0002vI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:02:58 +0000 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h0I12uC06336 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA06312; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:02:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601c2be8e$47e4b6c0$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c2be8c$c6ce4160$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:09:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re 135.922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Laurie, > Hi John, > I transmitted on 135,921.25 from 2330 until 0030. > Saw some traces on my freq. and a stronger signal above me, who ? Closed > down since prop. obviously not too good. A very nice "Q" toward the end! The other signal is a line that's been there all day. I'm not sure of the source. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 742 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 00:50:32 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 00:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22831 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 00:49:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 00:49:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZhAe-0002pz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:49:12 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.171] (helo=cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZhAe-0002pq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:49:12 +0000 Received: from modem-120.aradan.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.117.248] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ZhAd-0007A0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:49:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2be8c$c6ce4160$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:57:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re 135.922 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi John, I transmitted on 135,921.25 from 2330 until 0030. Saw some traces on my freq. and a stronger signal above me, who ? Closed down since prop. obviously not too good. Thanks for the captures. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8925 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2003 00:08:00 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 00:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 6027 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Jan 2003 00:09:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Jan 2003 00:09:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZgXJ-0002fv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:08:33 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZgXI-0002fm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:08:32 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18ZgXI-0000rS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:08:32 +0000 Message-ID: <005901c2be85$d915af40$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:09:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
John W1TAG.
 
I tried some test transmissions on 135.923 DFCW but nothing seen up to 2400. Laurie or Peter (don't know which) is on 135.921 and is just visible on your 23.57 capture.
 
73.
Dave G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14390 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 23:31:40 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 23:31:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 3589 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 23:31:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 23:31:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Zfx7-0002WH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:31:09 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Zfx6-0002W8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:31:08 +0000 Received: from [80.40.18.59] (helo=hughspc) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18Zfje-0005DX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:17:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2be80$6d832dc0$3b122850@hughspc> From: "Hugh" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c2be37$c3d39fa0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:28:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: More about the Notch Filter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Alan, LF Group, I found out why the pot setting was so critical. I measued the value for best notch and it was about 330 ohms ! I have replaced the 25k with a 1k pot and it is much better behaved. I have also added a dual gang 500pF airspaced tuning cap in parallel with the existing caps (22n and 4n7) and that now brings it down onto DCF39 nicely. I set up the antenna this afternoon and have been experimenting with "real" signals. I can now reduce DCF39 from -54dBm without the filter in circuit, to -112 dBm with the filter. When a burst of modulation occurs the level rises by 10dB suggesting the frequency shift is fairly small compared to the size of the notch. I have continued to use the filter with the 12 : 1 toroidal transformer to achieve matching, so I still have an overall reduction in signal from the antenna due to the turns ratio. I generated some signals that could be picked up by the antenna, and found that a signal at 136.562 kHz is reduced by 23dB and one at 137.700 kHz is reduced by 27dB. But the main thing is the filter does the job. I can set the SLM to 3.1kHz band width and not be totally swamped by DCF39. So now I can leave Argo running and see what is happening right across the band. For example I was able to receive DJ9IE sending ordinary morse on 136.590 by spotting the line appearing on the screen. And someone's sending some QRSS40 (?) on 137.800 and just now (23:15)I've got some more long dots or dashes around 137.800. This is good. Before I had to tune around the band with the 80Hz filter to find things and probably missed lots of stuff. However getting rid of the worst interfering station does mean that one can hear other flaws in the set-up. I can now hear a broadcast station very faintly, and I guess it must be resonsible for some patterning on the screen. 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19453 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 23:29:53 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 23:29:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 17968 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 23:29:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 23:29:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Zftt-0002Te-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:27:49 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetmx1.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Zftq-0002TV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:27:46 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([193.153.202.164]) by tnetmx1.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8VT6800.Z62 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:27:44 +0100 Message-ID: <008001c2be80$03984f80$93c863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:27:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF commercial stations Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Group:
 
I copy transmissions on 132.930 and 133.230 kHz.
Can anyone to confirm me if they are of the Datatrak System and where are the TX located?
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3763 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 20:03:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 20:03:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 26021 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 20:02:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 20:02:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZcgT-0001tQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:01:45 +0000 Received: from [206.173.118.93] (helo=uhura.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZcgS-0001tH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:01:44 +0000 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h0HK1fC09245 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA14288; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:01:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004501c2be64$338115e0$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A41@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:08:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 135.922 Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I'll be away from home until 0300 or so, but I left the receiver on 135.922 this morning, with the auto-capture running. Shots are being posted every 15 minutes to: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/136-1.jpg Given that I was listening to the EU AM BC stations on 183 and 162 kHz at 10 AM local time this morning, conditions can't be too bad. Anyone who wants to give it a try is welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29322 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 19:42:06 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 19:42:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 21537 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 19:43:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 19:43:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZcNE-0001me-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:41:52 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.144] (helo=mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZcND-0001mV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:41:51 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20030117194118.SHKE1191.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:41:18 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.99.25]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20030117194117.MSNH15912.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:41:17 +1300 Message-ID: <004d01c2be60$d37b3480$196336d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2be0d$16426ee0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:44:17 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Notch for DCF39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alan G3NYK, OK on the notch filter design, but for a high impedance load. I have often wanted to try a notch filter in a low impedance feeder, for such purposes as reducing a TV line oscillator harmonic or other carrier type of unwanted signal that is a few kHz from the wanted signal, as the unwanted carrier can paralyse a noise blanker from working effectively (the bandwidth of the noise blanker is necessarily relatively wide). On searching for information on notch filters I found a very good series of articles in Wireless World. Part 2 of the series in September 1979 deals with low impedance notch filters. The circuit used in "example 4" is a variant of what you used, with L and C in the leg to ground. If you can locate old copies of WW you could try modelling a low impedance notch filter. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13838 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 17:11:02 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 17:11:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 11444 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 17:10:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 17:10:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Za00-0001CI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:09:44 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.101] (helo=imo-r05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZZzz-0001Bp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:09:43 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.72.28eb294e (3842) for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:09:08 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <72.28eb294e.2b5992b4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:09:08 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Notch for DCF39 [G3NYK] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In a message dated 1/17/03 11:52:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, jan-martin.noding@telenor.com writes: << This is the wrong way to achieve high impedance (and good IMD), it is no need to keep the "source current low" {etc} >> I do not see anything in the Web page that suggests keeping the source current low. It only says "reasonable amount," which I took to mean "be sure to use enough" to keep IMD low. 73 John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17760 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 16:54:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 16:54:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 20300 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 16:54:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 16:54:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZZgy-00014u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:50:04 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-in.online.no) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZZgy-00014V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:50:04 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:49:32 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:49:32 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:49:32 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:49:32 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:49:32 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EFB05A41@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Notch for DCF39 Thread-Index: AcK+DlEqqfbOUde6Qhyuh4Y6ONpIbgAOLQ5w From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2003 16:49:32.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[68B79660:01C2BE48] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: Notch for DCF39 [G3NYK] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi, noticed something I'd wish to comment further, ref. quoted text from http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm >As far as I can see at the moment the only problem is that the >output of the filter must not be loaded too heavily, so a FET >source follower is probably called for ( J310 running reasonable >amount of source current to keep the IMDs down ??). This is the wrong way to achieve high impedance (and good IMD), it is no need to keep the "source current low" or whatever, don't understand where one could get such assumptions from, A simple source follower has also very low gain, probably around 0.2-0.4x voltage gain, but this is easily improved using an extra PNP device running with 10-30mA, so it may even have higher gain than unity, and to improve the input impedance you add some positive feedback to the gate. A more complicated solution using J310 fet was shown in Radcom some time ago, described for my frame antenna, but I use it for my active antenna on the roof 73 Jan_Martin LA8AK (in JO38XC) [mailto:LA8AK@Online.no] N4623-Kristiansand (tel.: +47-380-87178 Home)(38052660 Work 90777126 Mobile) http://www.laud.no/la6nca/LA8AK/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Melia [mailto:Alan.Melia@btinternet.com] Send: 17. januar 2003 10:45 Hi all, a belated Chrismas present to the Group. As a result of a discussion with Hugh M0WYE, I calculated, and simulated a Bridged-T Notch Filter for 136kHz, which should reduce the level of DCF39 by about 30dB which only giving about 2 or 3 dB loss at the top of the band. Hugh has made up the filter and from workbench tests it seems promising. It occurs to me that this may be of interest to those living closer to Burg that we do. Details on http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm We would be interested if anyone finds it useful. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26527 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 14:17:01 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 14:17:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 25118 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 14:18:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 14:18:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZXIx-0000QX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:17:07 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-in.online.no) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZXIx-0000QO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:17:07 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:16:27 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:16:26 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:16:26 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:16:26 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:16:26 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF369068@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Notch for DCF39 Thread-Index: AcK+KsQsxFrgsFHbQH+J907MTJZnpgAB8pRw From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2003 14:16:26.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[058F4480:01C2BE33] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Notch for DCF39 (Intern) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUPERLONG_LINEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, It is a problem that you have to attenuate 138.8 and the lower shift frequency, which is active every tenth seconds or so. So I agree to the solution Hans-Joachim suggest using bandpassfilter. A tuned two stage filter is fairly simple, but it is also an idea to use high Q frame antennas, my frame antennas attenuate 138.9 by 26dB when listening to 136.0kHz 73, Jan-Martin, LA8AK --- J M Nøding, Datakvalitet, TTS, Kristiansand Telefon 0047-380-52660, 9077-7126 (QTH: 0047-380-87178) -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Hans-Joachim Brandt [mailto:hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de] Sendt: 17. januar 2003 13:35 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: Re: LF: Notch for DCF39 Hi all, as I had to design a group-delay controlled band-pass filter once, needing two pole circuits at both sides of the pass-band I have also been designing such a filter for the amateur LF band using the ARRL Radio Designer, but have not completed it, because I am living in the southeast of Germany (JN68GN) and do not need it. But concerning the LF activity in eastern Germany I have also thought that DCF39 at Burg, close to Magdeburg, would severely hinder such activity. When DL2HRE, Edgar, located at Bernburg, half way between Magdeburg and Halle, appeared on the LF band, I have asked him how he has managed to listen on LF. He is using an rx input filter consisting of seven resonant circuits employing pot cores, capacitively top-coupled, centered at 136.4 kHz. I also feel that this should not be the optimum solution; a filter with poles (one for DCF39 and perhaps another for SVX) would be better, but so far Edgar does not seem to look for a filter employing poles. Anyway, his rx sensitivity on the LF band using his 250 meters long antenna seems to be very good. He has become the utmost station in the northeast of Germany which I can contact reliably on LF in normal CW. So far I have not found a comparable station in the northwest of Germany. DL2HRE has also told me of another east German LF station at Plauen (the callsign I have not noted, sri) but so far I have not heard it. DL2HRE has no internet connection. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Alan Melia" schrieb: >Hi all, a belated Chrismas present to the Group. As a result of a discussion >with Hugh M0WYE, I calculated, and simulated a Bridged-T Notch Filter for >136kHz, which should reduce the level of DCF39 by about 30dB which only >giving about 2 or 3 dB loss at the top of the band. Hugh has made up the >filter and from workbench tests it seems promising. It occurs to me that >this may be of interest to those living closer to Burg that we do. > >Details on http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm > >We would be interested if anyone finds it useful. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia@btinternet.com >http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20683 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 13:14:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 13:14:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15113 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 13:14:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 13:14:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZWJA-00009F-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:13:16 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.83] (helo=mailout07.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZWJA-000096-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:13:16 +0000 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18ZWJ7-0001lh-05; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:13:13 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (087321565-0001@[217.2.66.11]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18ZWIt-0lPprtC; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:12:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.108 Date: 17 Jan 2003 12:35 GMT Message-ID: <18ZWIt-0lPprtC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 087321565-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Notch for DCF39 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, as I had to design a group-delay controlled band-pass filter once, needing two pole circuits at both sides of the pass-band I have also been designing such a filter for the amateur LF band using the ARRL Radio Designer, but have not completed it, because I am living in the southeast of Germany (JN68GN) and do not need it. But concerning the LF activity in eastern Germany I have also thought that DCF39 at Burg, close to Magdeburg, would severely hinder such activity. When DL2HRE, Edgar, located at Bernburg, half way between Magdeburg and Halle, appeared on the LF band, I have asked him how he has managed to listen on LF. He is using an rx input filter consisting of seven resonant circuits employing pot cores, capacitively top-coupled, centered at 136.4 kHz. I also feel that this should not be the optimum solution; a filter with poles (one for DCF39 and perhaps another for SVX) would be better, but so far Edgar does not seem to look for a filter employing poles. Anyway, his rx sensitivity on the LF band using his 250 meters long antenna seems to be very good. He has become the utmost station in the northeast of Germany which I can contact reliably on LF in normal CW. So far I have not found a comparable station in the northwest of Germany. DL2HRE has also told me of another east German LF station at Plauen (the callsign I have not noted, sri) but so far I have not heard it. DL2HRE has no internet connection. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Alan Melia" schrieb: >Hi all, a belated Chrismas present to the Group. As a result of a discussion >with Hugh M0WYE, I calculated, and simulated a Bridged-T Notch Filter for >136kHz, which should reduce the level of DCF39 by about 30dB which only >giving about 2 or 3 dB loss at the top of the band. Hugh has made up the >filter and from workbench tests it seems promising. It occurs to me that >this may be of interest to those living closer to Burg that we do. > >Details on http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm > >We would be interested if anyone finds it useful. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK >alan.melia@btinternet.com >http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7343 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 12:01:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 12:01:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 14256 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 12:01:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 12:01:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZVB2-0008Gf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:00:48 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.221] (helo=netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZVB2-0008GW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:00:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 25783 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 12:00:17 -0000 Received: from ctuash.sonnetinternet.co.uk (HELO hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 12:00:17 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c2be1f$ed4e7200$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2be0d$16426ee0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:59:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Notch for DCF39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello all, Alan wrote: > Hugh has made up the filter and from workbench tests it seems promising. Yes it does what it says on the tin ... I got a notch depth of 47dB. I used a Panasonic ELC08D101E coil available from RS Components part no. 233-5213. I unwound it and found it had 50 turns. Rewinding with 36 turns and tapping at 18 gives the correct 50uH. I think a multiturn pot (or a fixed value resistor in series with a pot) might be best as it is a very sharp adjustment with a single turn type. I used polycarbonate film type capacitors (hen's teeth now Bayer don't make the film any more) Alan and I are presently discussing impedance matching, as it is 100 ohms in, 10k out. 73 Hugh M0WYE http://www.m0wye.thersgb.net/lf.htm > > Details on http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32060 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 11:13:19 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 11:13:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14236 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 11:12:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 11:12:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZUPx-00084I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:12:09 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZUPx-000849-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:12:09 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.208.99]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030117111208.BLSP29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:12:08 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c2be19$2e3cedc0$63d0fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:51:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re:136 Mon. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Gary, many thanks for the report and the capture. It's always nice to see what ones signal looks like. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2564 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 10:42:37 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 10:42:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4148 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 10:43:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 10:43:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZTy8-0007uu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:43:24 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [134.58.241.13] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZTy8-0007ul-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:43:24 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (ssl32-dmz.kuleuven.net [134.58.241.97]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h0HAgrdi097354 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:42:53 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030117112506.026a8ee8@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:50:24 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <001701c2be0f$3cb6e040$8ed0fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: ON - LOOP Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mal,

Meanwhile I collected all I need to contruct the loop. But unfortunately I have to work for a living and I also want to spend some time with my wife and daughter so hobby time was rather limited over the last months.
But the plan is still alive and the loop will be contructed one day ...

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 09:59 17/01/2003 +0000, you wrote:
I wonder how Rik/ON7YD is getting on with the proposed big loop that was discussed some time back.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5052 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 10:02:05 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 10:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21136 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Jan 2003 10:01:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 10:01:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZTIc-0007hX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:00:30 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZTIX-0007hO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:00:25 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.208.142]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030117100024.ZESC29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:00:24 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c2be0f$3cb6e040$8ed0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:59:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ON - LOOP Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I wonder how Rik/ON7YD is getting on with the proposed big loop that was discussed some time back.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13202 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 09:51:07 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 09:51:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25998 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 09:50:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 09:50:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZT4a-0007aE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:46:00 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZT4a-0007a5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:46:00 +0000 Received: from host62-6-88-81.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.88.81] helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18ZT4Z-0006Yp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:45:59 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2be0d$16426ee0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:44:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Notch for DCF39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, a belated Chrismas present to the Group. As a result of a discussion with Hugh M0WYE, I calculated, and simulated a Bridged-T Notch Filter for 136kHz, which should reduce the level of DCF39 by about 30dB which only giving about 2 or 3 dB loss at the top of the band. Hugh has made up the filter and from workbench tests it seems promising. It occurs to me that this may be of interest to those living closer to Burg that we do. Details on http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/BR-t-Notch.htm We would be interested if anyone finds it useful. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5620 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 08:19:07 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 08:19:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 27510 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 08:18:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 08:18:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZRe1-0007IZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:14:29 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZRe1-0007IQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:14:29 +0000 Received: from host213-122-176-36.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.176.36] helo=Main) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18ZRdx-0006Jt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:14:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c2be00$4a404a80$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006601c2ba97$9ac00a20$6507a8c0@Main> <000401c2bc1d$9af64720$c6e086d4@erica> <000601c2bdc1$c4577940$d1e486d4@erica> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:13:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A prop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Peter, Steve often gets these daytime bursts. He is not sure what they are often drifty TVs we suspect but also DIY noises. The night-time signal was actually quite good again last night between 0300 and about 0730z. It did not go into limiting but there were few deep troughs. I am trying to see whether it is possible to get a "datum" line on the plot with some idea of "average conditions" so far no ideas. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3ldo" To: Sent: 17 January 2003 00:45 Subject: LF: T/A prop > > > The W3EEE site shows a large burst of noise late afternoon followed by > suppressed conditions > What happened? > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22817 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2003 00:45:12 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 00:45:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21530 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Jan 2003 00:45:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jan 2003 00:45:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZKc2-0006AZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:43:58 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZKc1-0006AQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:43:57 +0000 Received: from tnt-21-209.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.209] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ZKbQ-000C6B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:43:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c2bdc1$c4577940$d1e486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006601c2ba97$9ac00a20$6507a8c0@Main> <000401c2bc1d$9af64720$c6e086d4@erica> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:45:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A prop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false The W3EEE site shows a large burst of noise late afternoon followed by suppressed conditions What happened? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15059 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2003 19:10:21 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Jan 2003 19:10:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22642 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2003 19:11:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2003 19:11:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZFPu-0005GJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:11:06 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZFPt-0005GA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:11:06 +0000 Received: from [213.40.201.165] (helo=tcs1) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18ZFPO-0002r2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:10:34 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:11:53 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000101c2bc0a$8eb7cbe0$37cdfc3e@ian> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Re:136 Mon. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Ian & LF, I wrote :- If of any interest here is a screen shot of your QRSS on Monday night from across the water in Lancashire, IO87QP. Locator should be IO83QP. 73 Gary G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Ian Kyle Sent: 14 January 2003 20:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re:136 Mon. Thanks to Jim M0BMU for my first two-way 136MHz QSO last night but nothing heard or seen of anybody else. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32400 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2003 18:42:19 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Jan 2003 18:42:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 25559 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2003 18:42:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2003 18:42:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18ZEsu-00056C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:37:00 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ZEss-000562-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:36:58 +0000 Received: from [213.40.210.58] (helo=tcs1) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18ZEsI-0002JM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:36:23 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000101c2bc0a$8eb7cbe0$37cdfc3e@ian> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Re:136 Mon. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040309070006010706010208" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040309070006010706010208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ian & LF, If of any interest here is a screen shot of your QRSS on Monday night from across the water in Lancashire, IO87QP. 73 Gary G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Ian Kyle Sent: 14 January 2003 20:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re:136 Mon. Thanks to Jim M0BMU for my first two-way 136MHz QSO last night but nothing heard or seen of anybody else. Obviously the system works sort of, and the much-put-upon BK actually manages to get up to 125 w out on that band but there are marked anomalies in the inductance settings required - at maximum antenna current (1+A) the reqired L is far too high and replacing the antenna with an equivalent circuit produces resonance at around 95KHz. There's summat cockeyed somewhere, so more work is needed to ascertain whether it's the mathematics or the hardware. Howsomever, if anyone feels that way inclined I am willing to try a sked or two. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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iQViA2khls8oElq9EH5qUActiRZH77UhIBN0yTaAskwFCeyAgICjRoshhQ8vq/g/98/+Ll/7 s6V8kvq/g394/wDi5f8AuzpWW0B9Oqq8iiqqgKqqB//Z --------------040309070006010706010208-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29181 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 17:56:55 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 17:56:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 29954 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 16:56:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 16:56:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YqoZ-0008OE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:54:55 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp1.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YqoZ-0008O5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:54:55 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([193.153.203.181]) by tnetsmtp1.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8RLNB01.NBW for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:54:47 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c2bcb6$cb20f640$3ec863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:45:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF-Argentina Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Group:
 
I´ve changed some e-mails with Marcelo (LW2ETU) and Daniel (LU8EDR) about the beginning of LF activity in Argentina, and they told me about their inmediate projects. I think they will be here soon in the reflector. I told them about the interest in Europe to make TA test with South America. They will try to receive  DCF39 transmissions.
 
Perhaps Alan can make any comment about the possibilities of this 11000 km path.
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18659 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 17:35:36 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 17:35:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 1670 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 17:35:08 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 17:35:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YrQ9-00007F-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:33:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [138.32.33.10] (helo=mailman1.ppco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YrQ8-000076-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:33:44 +0000 Received: from bvlw2k132.ppco.com (trend2.ppco.com [138.32.31.132]) by mailman1.ppco.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h0FHXg2V017464 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:33:42 -0600 Received: from 138.32.31.56 by bvlw2k132.ppco.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:33:24 -0600 Received: from bvlnotes07.ppco.com (bvlnotes07.ppco.com [138.32.54.38]) by mail1.ppco.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14658 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:33:23 -0600 (CST) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: "Laurence J Howell" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:33:23 -0900 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BVLNOTES07/CIT/Phillips Petroleum/us(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 01/15/2003 11:33:23 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: LF-Argentina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Only indirectly related but the North East/South West trans Atlantic paths between Uk and Antarctica (6734S 6808W) in Northern Hem winter times 1979/80 (same sort of flux as now?) produced near nightly reception of Capital (ol?) Radio from London on 1.548MHz .... Good enough to pipe thru to our small bar at Rothera Base, Adelaide Island. around our local midnight 0300-0500Z - around 16,000 Km most sea path. Laurence KL1X (VP8SB) Presently onroute to C America From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4334 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 13:44:14 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 13:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 29908 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 13:44:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 13:44:06 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YnlR-0007j2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:29 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YnlQ-0007it-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:28 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18YnlG-0003Pu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:18 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18YnlE-00003X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:16 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030115131058.00af9830@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:14 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000101c2bc0a$8eb7cbe0$37cdfc3e@ian> References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030113182353.00af0e30@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re:136 Mon. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 20:21 14/01/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Thanks to Jim M0BMU for my first two-way 136MHz QSO last night but nothing >heard or seen of anybody else. Dear Ian, LF Group, Very pleased to be your 1st 136kHz QSO - and also to have a first LF QSO with Hugh, M0WYE. MI0AYZ was just audible here in Hatfield, so getting out quite well with 1 amp. I guess a normal CW contact would be possible under quiet band conditions, but would have been difficult on Monday night due to the strong "Luxembourg effect" splatter I was experiencing. M0WYE was quite a weak QRSS3 signal here, but no problem with copy. With 0.1A into a fairly small antenna, this is quite good going too! Hugh was also able to see some of Ian's signal, but apparently not the other way round. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3067 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 02:39:57 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 02:39:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 1729 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 02:39:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 02:39:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YdR1-0005jc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:37:43 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.26] (helo=mx16.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YdR1-0005jT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:37:43 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx16.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 21062705 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:37:12 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c2bc3f$0ebe28a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> <18Y3Jz-24310KC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> <000d01c2bc26$4d7cd140$0500a8c0@charter.net> <000601c2bc2c$4dfcef00$5bc828c3@erica> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:37:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 135.922 Captures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Peter, No complete ID's, but a lot better results than we had Sunday night. I note that the Loran line on 921.6 from Newfoundland was quite visible tonight, as it has been on other good evenings. I will pay closer attention to it in the future. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32643 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 00:21:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 00:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2420 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 00:21:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 00:21:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YbIH-0005JR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:20:33 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YbIH-0005JI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:20:33 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-91.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.91] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18YbIG-000DSH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:20:32 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c2bc2c$4dfcef00$5bc828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> <18Y3Jz-24310KC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> <000d01c2bc26$4d7cd140$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:23:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 135.922 Captures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Captures of 135.922 kHz are being posted every 15 minutes at: > > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg > John has captured some fragments of my wobbly signal, which appears to be cycling in frequency by about 0.1Hz. I'm not sure of the reason for this. The temperature in the transmitter shed seem stable but there is a strong wind blowing. I will have to put the DDS in a draught proof box! The longer term strategy to have it in the inside shack with a divide by 10 unit to give a 0.1Hz resolution and improved stability. DCF39 has taken a nose dive but there again it often does after midnight our time - and then picks up again. I will transmit until around 0100Z and then ZZZZZZZZZ. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12707 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 23:40:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 23:41:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 23:41:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YafY-000585-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:40:32 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YafX-00057p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:40:31 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 31448167 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:40:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c2bc26$4d7cd140$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> <18Y3Jz-24310KC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:40:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 135.922 Captures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Captures of 135.922 kHz are being posted every 15 minutes at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28170 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 23:02:24 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 23:02:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 4699 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 23:02:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 23:02:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Ya3S-0004wy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:01:10 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Ya3S-0004wp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:01:10 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030114230227.ZTC336.host4@att.net> for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3E2496B7.3F1899CD@att.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:01:11 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006601c2ba97$9ac00a20$6507a8c0@Main> <000401c2bc1d$9af64720$c6e086d4@erica> Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A prop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Push hard, I'm looking. Posting to: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.jpg Dex g3ldo wrote: > > a quick look at Steve's site shows that the DCF39 level is -12dB relative > level at 2230. > I will put out a test transmission on 1359... whatever it was I used last > time. QRSS60 I guess unless DCF39 goes through the roof. > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17246 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 22:36:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 22:36:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18080 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 22:36:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 22:36:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YZeT-0004pt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:35:21 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YZeT-0004pk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:35:21 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-198.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.198] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18YZeS-000DZd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:35:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2bc1d$9af64720$c6e086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006601c2ba97$9ac00a20$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:38:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A prop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false a quick look at Steve's site shows that the DCF39 level is -12dB relative level at 2230. I will put out a test transmission on 1359... whatever it was I used last time. QRSS60 I guess unless DCF39 goes through the roof. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22032 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 20:27:17 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 20:27:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1437 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 20:26:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 20:26:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YXa5-0004N1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:22:41 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YXa0-0004Ms-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:22:36 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.205.55]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030114202235.HCSD21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:22:35 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c2bc0a$8eb7cbe0$37cdfc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030113182353.00af0e30@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:21:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re:136 Mon. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thanks to Jim M0BMU for my first two-way 136MHz QSO last night but nothing heard or seen of anybody else. Obviously the system works sort of, and the much-put-upon BK actually manages to get up to 125 w out on that band but there are marked anomalies in the inductance settings required - at maximum antenna current (1+A) the reqired L is far too high and replacing the antenna with an equivalent circuit produces resonance at around 95KHz. There's summat cockeyed somewhere, so more work is needed to ascertain whether it's the mathematics or the hardware. Howsomever, if anyone feels that way inclined I am willing to try a sked or two. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8103 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 17:19:17 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 17:19:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13992 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 17:18:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 17:18:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YUh4-0003lO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:17:42 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.82] (helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YUh4-0003lF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:17:42 +0000 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18YUh3-00014t-05; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:17:41 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.224.51.242]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18YUgq-0LRoW0C; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:17:28 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <18Xprt-0FPHu4C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030114093942.01bbcb60@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:17:28 +0100 Message-ID: <18YUgq-0LRoW0C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: push/pull Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08, USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Rik Strobbe schrieb: > Hello Uwe, > ......... > How did you measure this phase shift ? In the past I have noticed that > measuring waveforms at the gate of a FET with the drain open can give very > strange results ... > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > Dear Rik, Alberto, Jim es all, tks for the responses. yes Rik, the drains were open. the PSU was not finished. but today I connected in a first step 50V operating voltage to the PA. I can`t belief it: the phase shift has diminished to abt 2dgr. I know from my other PA, a two channel N-/P-MOSFET equipment, that the scope is ok. but I didn`t measure without the PA operating voltage connected. yes, the Cgs of the IRFP450/451 is vy high. that is the reason I use in the other PA many of the weaker MOSFETs IRF620 for the one channel and IRF9622 for the other. you don`t need the high input power. tks Alberto es Jim that you do not blame on me or my (in)ability doing the things right but suspecting the scope. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11828 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 13:24:44 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 13:24:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 16199 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Jan 2003 13:24:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 13:24:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YR2A-0002QI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:23:14 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [134.58.241.13] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YR2A-0002Q9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:23:14 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (ssl32-dmz.kuleuven.net [134.58.241.97]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h0EDMhBV060504 for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:22:43 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030114093942.01bbcb60@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:30:10 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030113182353.00af0e30@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <18Xprt-0FPHu4C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: push/pull Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Uwe, power-FETs do have rather large gate-source capacitances that can differ from FET to FET. For the popular IRF450 Cgs is about 2nF, variations between FET's can easily be a few 100pF. If the FETs are driven from a rather high-Z source the variations in Cgs might cause a phase shift, although 10 degrees look very much to me. How did you measure this phase shift ? In the past I have noticed that measuring waveforms at the gate of a FET with the drain open can give very strange results ... 73, Rik ON7YD >Hi all, > >guess many of you built the G0MRF-Quarter-Kilowatt-Amplifier. >I did. the PSU is not finished yet. > >got some trouble with the phase of the 137kHz sines >(es triangular and rectangular) measured at the gates of the MOSFETs. >there is a diff btwn the two channels of estimated 10degr. >that means parasitic oscillation if operating the PA, doesn`t it. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24271 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 09:46:11 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 09:46:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 24763 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2003 09:45:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2003 09:45:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YNXK-0001NE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:39:10 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YNXF-0001Mv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:39:05 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.204]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030114093850.QTYL21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:38:50 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c2bbb0$b9bcedc0$ccccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:38:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: DX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Last night might have been better for  LF TA dx because 160 metres was very good. I worked VK6HD at 579 each way and heard DU9 and a few UA9 stns active, plus a lot of Eu acty.
Did'nt stay around late to look for North American acty.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4608 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 22:49:56 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 22:49:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 26605 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 22:49:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 22:49:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18YDMd-0007r8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:47:27 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18YDMc-0007qz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:47:26 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 22:46:54 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.51] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.2.05) with ESMTP id 448HamwUz0363M29; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:46:52 GMT Message-ID: <3E2341DA.8030800@usa.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:46:50 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20030113182353.00af0e30@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: push/pull Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false James Moritz wrote: > [...] > Another possibility is that the circuit is OK, but the scope is not > triggering correctly - this sometimes happens if the scope is set to > "mixed" trigger, if it has this setting. > [...] Tek scopes have the 'Alternate' and 'Chopped' settings on the vertical amplifier plug-in, usually. Don't use 'Alternate' for phase comparisons, results are meaningless. Only 'Chopped' is reliable in this case. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23467 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 19:08:19 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 19:08:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 19069 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 19:09:30 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 19:09:30 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y9xA-00078o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:08:56 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y9x9-00078f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:08:55 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Y9x5-0002gK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:08:51 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Y9x3-0001pl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:08:50 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030113190247.00b0b808@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:08:48 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001601c2bb20$3bd8b280$55c863d5@BI57429bankinter> References: <002701c2bafb$34a0b460$6507a8c0@Main> <002101c2baff$eb747560$0504210a@c.scope> <001701c2bb1b$cb311da0$68cdfc3e@ian> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: QRSS transmission tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Hugh, LF group, Will aim to be QRV tonight about 2000. After the last few nights of 3am, think I'll have an early night though! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11477 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 18:53:22 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 18:53:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 8605 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 18:53:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 18:53:16 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y9e9-0006yg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:49:17 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y9e8-0006yX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:49:16 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Y9e0-0001jf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:49:08 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Y9dp-0001RX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:48:57 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030113182353.00af0e30@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:44:28 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <18Xprt-0FPHu4C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: push/pull Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 22:42 12/01/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >guess many of you built the G0MRF-Quarter-Kilowatt-Amplifier. >I did. the PSU is not finished yet. > >got some trouble with the phase of the 137kHz sines >(es triangular and rectangular) measured at the gates of the MOSFETs. >there is a diff btwn the two channels of estimated 10degr. >that means parasitic oscillation if operating the PA, doesn`t it. Dear Uwe, Assuming this is G0MRF's linear PA, the circuit is completely symmetrical. So if there is any phase shift in the drive circuit, the drive waveforms will be phase shifted by the same amount by the time they reach the gates of each MOSFETs. So the drive waveforms should always be 180degrees out of phase unless one of the components on one side of the circuit is different from it's counterpart on the other side. I would start by checking that all components on the input side of the circuit are correct. Another possibility is that the circuit is OK, but the scope is not triggering correctly - this sometimes happens if the scope is set to "mixed" trigger, if it has this setting. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32446 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 16:34:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 16:34:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 18873 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 16:33:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 16:33:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y7WR-0006Rk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:33:11 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.221] (helo=netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y7WR-0006Qu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:33:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 24844 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 16:07:36 -0000 Received: from ctuash.sonnetinternet.co.uk (HELO hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 16:07:36 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c2bb1d$d1cb4300$0504210a@c.scope> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002701c2bafb$34a0b460$6507a8c0@Main> <002101c2baff$eb747560$0504210a@c.scope> <001701c2bb1b$cb311da0$68cdfc3e@ian> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:06:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS transmission tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thankyou, Ian, I'll start around 20:00 and carry on 'til after 21:00. I shall use QRSS3, I don't think the signal source is stable enough for anything more. (I'm still waiting for Farnell to deliver the Atmel part to build a DDS source) 73 Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kyle" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: QRSS transmission tonight > HI there Hugh, > Will look for you tonight but not available until about 2045z. > What mode - QRSS3 or QRSS10? > > Radiating a return sgnal will be difficult but I shall try. Like you, 1A > antenna current is about as much as my setup can manage. > > Will check the reflector again about 1800z > > 73 de, > > Ian MI0AYZ > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32069 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 16:33:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 16:33:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 18364 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 16:33:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 16:33:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y7Vr-0006Qm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:32:35 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y7Vm-0006QV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:32:30 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.229.22]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030113163229.VNT21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:32:29 +0000 Message-ID: <007201c2bb21$58b70720$16e5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:31:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF/160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Generally when 160 metres propogation is good the lower freqs are also good. This past couple of nights were not good for dx propagation although I did hear a UA0 and JA7NI at 559 last night, but the usual crowd of UA9, UA0 bar one to the East were not audible. I did not hear any W/VE either to the West, a bad sign for the lower LF freqs transatlantic. There could be exceptions but this is generally the rule from this QTH.
At this time of year on occassions during my late evening I have worked at least 20 JA stns in succession plus any amount of  mainly East Coast USA and Canadian stations. Early morning is best for me to the West Coast W6, W7 and VE7 and KL7 Alaska
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24682 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 16:25:58 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 16:25:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17391 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 16:25:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 16:25:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y7OU-0006Nm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:24:58 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetmx2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y7OU-0006Nd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:24:58 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.85]) by tnetmx2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8NUX700.GCA for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:24:49 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c2bb20$3bd8b280$55c863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002701c2bafb$34a0b460$6507a8c0@Main> <002101c2baff$eb747560$0504210a@c.scope> <001701c2bb1b$cb311da0$68cdfc3e@ian> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:24:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS transmission tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Ian and all: I´ll try to copy to both of you. I´d like to make my fifth country, I never copied any GI station on 137. 73 de José, EA1PX > Will look for you tonight but not available until about 2045z. > What mode - QRSS3 or QRSS10? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9565 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 15:51:48 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 15:51:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 9431 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 15:51:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 15:51:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y6r4-0006D4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:50:26 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y6r4-0006Cv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:50:26 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.205.104]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030113155025.EALG277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:50:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c2bb1b$cb311da0$68cdfc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002701c2bafb$34a0b460$6507a8c0@Main> <002101c2baff$eb747560$0504210a@c.scope> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:51:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS transmission tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false HI there Hugh, Will look for you tonight but not available until about 2045z. What mode - QRSS3 or QRSS10? Radiating a return sgnal will be difficult but I shall try. Like you, 1A antenna current is about as much as my setup can manage. Will check the reflector again about 1800z 73 de, Ian MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31946 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 15:25:56 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 15:25:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 10508 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 15:25:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 15:25:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y6S0-00063r-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:24:32 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [138.32.33.140] (helo=mailman2.ppco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y6Rz-00063i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:24:31 +0000 Received: from bvlw2k132.ppco.com (trend2.ppco.com [138.32.31.132]) by mailman2.ppco.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h0DFOTR2011000 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:24:30 -0600 Received: from 138.32.31.56 by bvlw2k132.ppco.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:24:26 -0600 Received: from bvlnotes07.ppco.com (bvlnotes07.ppco.com [138.32.54.38]) by mail1.ppco.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11285 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:24:25 -0600 (CST) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: "Laurence J Howell" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 06:24:24 -0900 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BVLNOTES07/CIT/Phillips Petroleum/us(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 01/13/2003 09:24:26 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Alaska monitoring 24 hours until 3rd Feb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Im on route to Costa Rica but the receive system is on (TS 870 and Cap top, bottom loaded resonated vertical at 90ft) and capture will remain on until my return to Alaska on 3rd Feb. Ill have a few Jpegs to look thru....cant export jpegs to the net in real time but that will come. Pray for : No Stratwarm No Thunderstorms Low A/Ks Low Flux Anything that makes the Au belt or H proton number increase etc etc etc! Using QRSS 60 centered on 137.7700 +-1.5 Hz. Avoid 137.7700 Loran line. Laurence KL1X BP41XD Anchorage. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 903 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 14:22:27 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 14:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 10089 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 14:22:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 14:22:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y5Sx-0005fK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:21:27 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [212.227.126.251] (helo=moutvdom.kundenserver.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y5Sw-0005fB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:21:26 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.222] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Y5Sv-0008QJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:21:25 +0100 Received: from [62.227.104.56] (helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Y5Sr-0001aa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3E22C9F9.54D7F50F@diolog.de> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:15:22 +0000 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> <18Y3Jz-24310KC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> Subject: Re: LF: TA Test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010005000302060806010802" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010005000302060806010802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yet another screenshot from JO32QG ... 73, Fabian DJ1YFK jannsen schrieb: > DL4YHF@aol.com schrieb: > > Hello group, > > > > received this colorful image under adverse conditions: Random wire plugged > > into a TS850, tuned to 135.92 in "CW" (usb), pitch = 650 Hz, so 650Hz on > > screenshot is near 135.920 kHz . The decibel scale is not calibrated against > > anything, so just a relative measure. > > > > The different power levels received here in JO42FD are quite strange, but see > > for yourself. > > > > Must go to bed, work starts early. I would appreciate a similar test from > > saturday to sunday, better for the "working class" (and especially to those > > not QRV from home). Good luck to everyone. > > > > Cheers, > > Wolf DL4YHF (not at DF0WD) > > > > > > Hi all, > > an other checkered midnights painting (SpecLab shot). see attachment. > > regards > > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] --------------010005000302060806010802 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="ta130103.JPG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ta130103.JPG" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAsICAoIBwsKCQoNDAsNERwSEQ8PESIZGhQcKSQr KigkJyctMkA3LTA9MCcnOEw5PUNFSElIKzZPVU5GVEBHSEX/2wBDAQwNDREPESESEiFFLicu RUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUVFRUX/wAAR CAB8AlwDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK FhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:47:47 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030113134834.XAP20623.host3@att.net>; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:48:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3E22C382.7F58BD42@att.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:47:46 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "lowfer" Subject: LF: [Fwd: AW: HBG 75 kHz transmitter] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=6.0tests=FWD_MSG,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false On several occasions the HBG plot showed an almost instant drop and return of the signal received here in NC. These drops didn't look like propagation events so I emailed the HBG engineer to see if perhaps these events were transmitter related. Below is the response I received. Dex Gregor.Dudle@metas.admin.ch wrote: > > Sir > > Thank you very much for your message. It is a nice to hear that our signals > can be received in North Carolina. > > As for the signal drops, I confirm that our transmitter was down for a short > time on both occasions you mention in your mail. Both events were due to bad > weather conditions (strong winds) in the antenna area. > > Jan 7 05:57 to 06:22 (UTC) (I'm recording a measurement every 5 minute, > therefore the real downtime might be slightly longer) > Jan 11 06:43 to 07:18 (UTC) > > To complete your records: the transmitter was also down at least 2 times for > shorter laps (on Jan 6 around 18:00 UTC and 20:37 UTC (I think they these > failures are also visible on your graph > http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg07jan03.jpg) > > Do not hesitate to contact me again if you need further information > > Best regards > > Gregor Dudle > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Dexter McIntyre [SMTP:dmcintyre@att.net] > > Gesendet am: 11 January 2003 15:47 > > An: gregor.dudle@metas.admin.ch > > Betreff: HBG 75 kHz transmitter > > > > Sir, > > > > For the past month I have been monitoring and plotting the signal > > strength of your 75 kHz transmission for LF propagation studies. I am > > located in North Carolina, USA. Today, 11 January and on 7 January, I > > saw a sudden drop in signal strength of approximately 15 dB. Both times > > the signal was down for about half an hour then came back to normal > > level. I am trying to determine if these were actually propagation > > events or if perhaps there was transmitter maintenance being performed > > during these times. > > > > If you are interested in seeing my plots the current one is available > > at: > > > > http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg.jpg > > > > The dip at approximately 0640 to 0720 on the 11th of January: > > > > http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg11jan03.jpg > > > > The dip at approximately 0550 to 0620 on the 7th of January: > > > > http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg07jan03.jpg > > > > Also a directory of all plots is at: > > > > http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/ > > > > Thank you, > > Dexter McIntyre > > Stanfield, NC USA > > http://www.w4dex.com/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10531 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 13:05:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 13:05:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 4273 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 12:05:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 12:05:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y3KW-0004k5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:04:36 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.80] (helo=mailout01.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y3KV-0004jw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:04:35 +0000 Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Y3KU-00052h-02; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:04:34 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.224.50.36]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Y3Jz-24310KC; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:04:03 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:04:03 +0100 Message-ID: <18Y3Jz-24310KC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: TA Test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070603090400050503090102" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=6.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070603090400050503090102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DL4YHF@aol.com schrieb: > Hello group, > > received this colorful image under adverse conditions: Random wire plugged > into a TS850, tuned to 135.92 in "CW" (usb), pitch = 650 Hz, so 650Hz on > screenshot is near 135.920 kHz . The decibel scale is not calibrated against > anything, so just a relative measure. > > The different power levels received here in JO42FD are quite strange, but see > for yourself. > > Must go to bed, work starts early. I would appreciate a similar test from > saturday to sunday, better for the "working class" (and especially to those > not QRV from home). 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13 Jan 2003 12:34:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 12:34:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y3n4-0004tc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:34:06 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.221] (helo=netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y3n3-0004tT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:34:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 26454 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 12:33:35 -0000 Received: from ctuash.sonnetinternet.co.uk (HELO hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 12:33:35 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c2baff$eb747560$0504210a@c.scope> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002701c2bafb$34a0b460$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:32:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: QRSS transmission tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi All, I did some test transmissions over the weekend, and I seem to be able to radiate some sort of signal now. I will send some CQs in the QRSS part of the band around 20:00 tonight, and will of course monitor for replies using Argo. Any signal reports would be most welcome. They won't be big signals as I only have about 0.1A of antenna current, but maybe some of the more local stations might pick something up. (if anybody is still awake after last night !) 73 Hugh M0WYE E-mail: m0wye@thersgb.net Description of antenna, TX, etc. here ... http://www.m0wye.thersgb.net/lf.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24513 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 12:02:11 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 12:02:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 28454 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 12:01:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 12:01:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y3GB-0004dX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:00:07 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y3GA-0004dO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:00:06 +0000 Received: from host213-122-148-106.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.148.106] helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Y3G9-0004KU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:00:05 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c2bafb$34a0b460$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:59:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Prop last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, well done last night. A quick look at Steve's site this morning shows that the early levels (before 0300z) were about 10dB down on the later levels, between 0400 and 0600z. I am not sure how the country wide conditions would relate to this "spot" measurement. My experience is that most would get a better result in the second half of the night though the individual timing of the good conditions (peaks) would differ at different locations. The levels seen by Steve in the 0000 to 0300z period could be considered as borderline because some elements were received by John from Laurie. Did anyone send or capture in the later period ?? I am not putting great store by it, but it is just interesting to note that Steve's highest recorded levels were just about 16 days after the Kp=5 minor storm on the 19/20th Dec. This sort of period has shown up in some of Laurie's previous successes. It does tend to suggest that totally benign, quiet solar conditions are not quite adequate for us to make the trip. This may become more obvious as slide down the solar activity curve, over the next few years. I did a quick and dirty test on my rx system here some time back and I find only 3-4dB between a T copy and a full O on QRSS, when receiving against local band noise. There seems to be no doubt that crossings are never going to be telphone style "plug-in" contacts at our power levels, we are going to have to work for them. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11394 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 11:04:14 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 11:04:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15715 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 11:03:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 11:03:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y2Lq-0004HU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:01:54 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y2Lp-0004HL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:01:54 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.208.238]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030113110151.FBV19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:01:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c2baf3$7b1ccee0$eed0fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:03:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 135.92 Sunday night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Last night I was witness to what can only be described as a cavalry charge at the low end of the band. Cuirassiers identified were, reading from the top of the screen:- Dave; Marcus; Peter; Mike, and Laurie as 'left marker'. There were at least two other intermittent and unidenifiable signals there in the middle so who did I miss? Identification difficult due to signal strengths being such that heavy 'dog-boning' made the screen look like a snowball fight for much of the time. Amazing! 73 to all, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4552 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 08:58:52 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 08:58:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 15520 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 08:58:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 08:58:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Y0Mm-0003a3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:54:44 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Y0Mh-0003Zu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:54:39 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030113085439.MBQE4699.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:54:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c2bae1$7fb3e860$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001d01c2ba9d$f991a9e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002c01c2baad$18b1a8c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 08:55:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Nil. Captures discontinued at 0230. Tnx to all. > John Andrews, W1TAG Thanks for taking the trouble to listen (watch?), John and Dex. There were five or six stations active here. I am sure another test soon would be welcome. The captures on the web are very helpful, though auto-refresh (see Alan's page) would be useful. Thanks also to those in Eu who sent pictures of everyone. It is good to see how signals compare (though not so nice to see that I am the weakest!). Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26690 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 03:42:15 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 03:42:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 28981 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 02:42:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 14346 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Jan 2003 02:41:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 02:41:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XuWX-0001zs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:40:25 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.24] (helo=dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XuWX-0001ze-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:40:25 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx14.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 51404607 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c2baad$18b1a8c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001d01c2ba9d$f991a9e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:40:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Nil. Captures discontinued at 0230. Tnx to all. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20641 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 03:02:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 03:02:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 10054 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 03:02:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 03:02:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XurE-00027K-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:01:48 +0000 Received: from [205.197.48.109] (helo=gemini.smart.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XurD-00027B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 03:01:47 +0000 Received: from dpc000 ([162.33.221.21]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA30420 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c2bab0$1eb53e00$cc28730a@direcpc.com> From: "lloyd chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:01:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 135.9222 test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false These are my best captures from tonites test hr in Maryland FM19Mh www.geocities.com/lacwman/135.922.jpg www.geociyies.com/lacwman/135.922a.jpg www.geocities.com/lacwman/135.922b.jpg de Lloyd W3NF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28220 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 01:12:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 13553 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 01:12:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 01:12:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xt8Z-0001du-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:11:35 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.150] (helo=telesmtp4.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xt8Y-0001dl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 01:11:34 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.44]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8MON900.600 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: <009501c2baa0$a9e9ca00$2cc863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006601c2ba97$9ac00a20$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:11:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A prop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Alan and Group: The Laurie´s signal peaked slightly before Steve´s register, peak was clear between 23.08 and 23.24, perhaps the last of the night? > possible that UK stations will peak before DCF39 being nearly 1000km nearer From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31902 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 00:53:26 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 00:53:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 28014 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 00:52:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 00:52:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xspm-0001Wk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:52:10 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xspl-0001WT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:52:09 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 30452232 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:51:38 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c2ba9d$f991a9e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:51:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Other than a little signal from Laurie earlier, I haven't seen anything to justify lost sleep tonight. Anyone transmitting on 135.922 who wants to drop out will not be missed at this end! I will keep the capture running until 0300, anyway. Maybe by next weekend, things will be better. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3161 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 00:23:25 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 00:23:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 15966 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:23:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:23:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XrQz-00015d-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:22:29 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XrQz-00015U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:22:29 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030112232346.QIMI690.host4@att.net> for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:23:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3E21F8B3.46125929@att.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:22:27 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> <3E21F6F4.9040202@usa.net> Subject: Re: LF: TA Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I believe the jet stream is in your favor Alberto. Thanks for posting that shot. Nice to see what we are looking for. Dex Alberto di Bene wrote: > > If our friends over the pond are curious to see how the T/A slot > of spectrum looks like here in Italy JN45SL , they can go to > check how crowded it is here : > http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/13jan00000.jpg > > 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3468 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 00:07:13 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 00:07:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 2610 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2003 00:07:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2003 00:07:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xs7o-0001LD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:06:44 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xs7o-0001L4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:06:44 +0000 Received: from host213-122-17-239.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.17.239] helo=Main) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Xs7n-00015I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:06:43 +0000 Message-ID: <006601c2ba97$9ac00a20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:06:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A prop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, a quick look at Steve's site suggests that the DCF39 level is still climbing and didn't peak last night until about 0100z It is about 10dB below that level at the moment. Of course John and Dex and anyone else listening (watching !!) will not see the same fading pattern as Steve registers. It will be very dependent on the actual path length and position. It is also possible that UK stations will peak before DCF39 being nearly 1000km nearer to N.A.. The climb shown on Steve's site is slower tonight and there are no big troughs. This might mean that the peaks will not be quite as high as last night, but the conditions will last longer. Solar conditions are still quiet and have been for some time now. This might be described as "undisturbed conditions", and as such may not be as good as the dying stages of a "disturbance event" The last really good days were the 5/6th of Jan. which were probably about 6dB higher than last night. However Steve's system "topped out" on the 5th limiting the graph peak. Even last nights levels are some 12 dB above the average since 29th Dec. Good Luck all Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2246 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:55:10 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:55:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24042 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:55:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:55:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xrvx-0001El-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:54:29 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.150] (helo=telesmtp1.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xrvt-0001Ec-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:54:25 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.44]) by telesmtp1.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8ML2O02.1H6 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:54:24 +0100 Message-ID: <005c01c2ba95$e3eabb20$2cc863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:54:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TA test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Group:
 
Congratulations. Signals from Laurie can be seen in the John´s  capture.
 
 
73 de José,EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9319 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:49:58 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 13911 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 22:49:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xqui-0000nX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:49:08 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xqui-0000nO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:49:08 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Xquh-0005BA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:49:07 +0000 Message-ID: <004401c2ba8c$f1f5c9c0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:50:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A tests Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dex / John etc.
 
Everyone is blasting away as promised, things don't look too good yet though.
 
Dave
G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30806 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:16:52 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:16:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28791 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:16:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:16:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XrKX-0000zu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:15:49 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.111] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XrKX-0000zl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:15:49 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:15:17 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.179.89] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.2.05) with ESMTP id 236HaLXPo0441M29; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:15:15 GMT Message-ID: <3E21F6F4.9040202@usa.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 00:15:00 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: TA Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false If our friends over the pond are curious to see how the T/A slot of spectrum looks like here in Italy JN45SL , they can go to check how crowded it is here : http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/13jan00000.jpg 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26088 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:07:50 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:07:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 25367 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 23:07:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 23:07:44 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XrCA-0000uD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:07:10 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.38] (helo=imo-d06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XrC5-0000tx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:07:05 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.11a.1ceb118c (16484) for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:06:31 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.1ceb118c.2b534ef7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:06:31 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: LF: TA Test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010209080806040301010906" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SEE_FOR_YOURSELF,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010209080806040301010906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello group,

received this colorful image under adverse conditions: Random wire plugged into a TS850, tuned to 135.92 in "CW" (usb), pitch = 650 Hz, so 650Hz on screenshot is near 135.920 kHz . The decibel scale is not calibrated against anything, so just a relative measure.

The different power levels received here in JO42FD are quite strange, but see for yourself.

Must go to bed, work starts early. I would appreciate a similar test from saturday to sunday, better for the "working class" (and especially to those not QRV from home). Good luck to everyone.

Cheers,
Wolf  DL4YHF (not at DF0WD)
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+0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002601c2ba75$ff337ea0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false My Argo window for tonight's run can be seen at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.jpg Noise level is low right now. Just hearing an occasional static crash. Dex John Andrews wrote: > > Captures 0f 136.922 from W1TAG will be posted every 15 minutes at: > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10868 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 21:44:01 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 21:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 20087 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 21:43:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 21:43:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XpsJ-0000W7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:42:35 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.17] (helo=mailout02.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XpsI-0000Vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 21:42:35 +0000 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Xps8-0001CJ-03; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:42:24 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.12.234]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Xprt-0FPHu4C; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:42:09 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:42:09 +0100 Message-ID: <18Xprt-0FPHu4C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: LF: push/pull Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000304080404050204040806" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=6.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000304080404050204040806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, guess many of you built the G0MRF-Quarter-Kilowatt-Amplifier. 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<3E216F15.8090001@usa.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <16594.030111@pyrotherm.co.yu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030111142631.00a970f8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3E20DFBC.2A9B9198@otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060701080509030408030908" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060701080509030408030908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group, Thanks again for the reports on the Jason beacon signal last night - there was less QRN, but I guess propagation across the pond is still down. It was the same story in previous years; not a squeak for weeks on end, then suddenly wonderful conditions for a few days. I was QRV using QRSS earlier today, and was quite amazed by DF6NM's "SSTV" - see the attachment. Luckily, SpecLab was already set up just right to catch it, although I hope Markus isn't really that colour! I monitored the antenna resistance while transmitting the Jason signal last night - there was a hard frost, and by the end of the night, the loss resistance had fallen to 26 ohms, compared to 45 ohms during the rain a week or so ago. Unfortunately, the ice seems to have thawed now, requiring me to use more kWh to radiate the same signal. I will run the Jason beacon again tonight, in the hope that propagation must improve sometime. If you find that the QRSS60 stations are coming in at good strengths, then try taking a look at 137.5025kHz - as usual, any reports very welcome. 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X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Captures 0f 136.922 from W1TAG will be posted every 15 minutes at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26686 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 17:48:31 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 17:48:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 29784 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 17:48:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 17:48:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XmCl-0008AR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:47:27 +0000 Received: from [212.35.226.183] (helo=k2.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) 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--------------090900040206080805020300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry to disappoint a lot of people who rang and emailed about the books; both gone I'm afraid. However, since there seems to be a demand I will try to find some more. Watch this space! Let me try a few more while I'm on a winning streak: 1955 ed of "Electrical Measurements and Measuring Instruments" B. W. Golding (the standard BSc(Eng) and City and Guilds textbook - remember?) 1941 ed of "The Practical Wireless Encyclopedia" by (guess who?) F. J. Camm 1942 ed of "Newnes Short-Wave Manual" by (yes, him again) F. J. Camm All in good nick. Alan - I've got several of the MIT series including Vol 4 Loran but not for sale. Can send you extracts if you know what you want. Presume it was Loran you meant and not really Vol 5 which is "Pulse Generators" (Oh, I don't know though!!) While talking books I strongly recommend Robert Buderi's book "The Invention that changed the world - the story of radar from war to peace". One of the best researched books on the subject I've read (and I've read a lot); technically and historically accurate. Waterstone's can supply if asked. 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(v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <164295174456.20030112201856@dx.ru> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= In-reply-to: <00c301c2ba5c$fb71ec20$09e862d5@BI57429bankinter> References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003501c2ba4d$0d332920$1700a8c0@home> <005001c2ba54$9eef5760$1700a8c0@home> <00c301c2ba5c$fb71ec20$09e862d5@BI57429bankinter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello José! Sunday, January 12, 2003, 8:06:39 PM, you wrote: JM> I saw yesterday , in the popup, the news about Argentina. I e-mailed to JM> Marcelo (LW2ETU) and Daniel (LU8EDR) JM> but I haven´t got any answer yet, do you know if they are in the reflector? E-mail from Marcelo lw2etu@hotmail.com Jan 10 1750z to me : My tx is a single mosfet IRF840 in E class. Pw 50w, Ant long wire 100m. Tx in cw mode. In same days pw 100w, and tx in qrss to. I am work to make better the station. I am contruction a 2,2m loop for rx. 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26521 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 17:10:56 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 17:10:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 16162 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 17:10:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 17:10:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XlZQ-0007yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:06:48 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.150] (helo=telesmtp3.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XlZN-0007yk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:06:45 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.215]) by telesmtp3.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8M27701.V21 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:06:43 +0100 Message-ID: <00c301c2ba5c$fb71ec20$09e862d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003501c2ba4d$0d332920$1700a8c0@home> <005001c2ba54$9eef5760$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:06:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi dave and all: I saw yesterday , in the popup, the news about Argentina. I e-mailed to Marcelo (LW2ETU) and Daniel (LU8EDR) but I haven´t got any answer yet, do you know if they are in the reflector? I mentioned them the tonight´s TA test also. I´ll monitor the tonnight´s pile-up. 73 de José, EA1PX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan > John et al. > > > > I'll slot myself in amongst the lines somewhere... > > > Having checked the gear, I will try to be on 135.9228/9 using DFCW (60 sec). > If my DFCW generator breaks I'll use QRSS in that slot. > > Cheers. > Dave. G3YXM. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30431 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 16:12:17 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 16:12:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 12894 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 16:13:22 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 16:13:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 15382 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Jan 2003 16:06:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 16:06:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xkcc-0007nI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:06:02 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xkcb-0007n9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:06:01 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Xkcb-0005MU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: <005001c2ba54$9eef5760$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003501c2ba4d$0d332920$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:06:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false John et al. > I'll slot myself in amongst the lines somewhere... > Having checked the gear, I will try to be on 135.9228/9 using DFCW (60 sec). If my DFCW generator breaks I'll use QRSS in that slot. Cheers. Dave. G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21607 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 15:12:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 6953 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 15:12:49 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 15:12:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 23134 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Jan 2003 15:12:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 15:12:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XjmC-0007ZB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:11:52 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XjmB-0007Z2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:11:51 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18XjmB-00032z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:11:51 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c2ba4d$0d332920$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:12:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I'll slot myself in amongst the lines somewhere... Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: LF: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan > In an effort to drum up some activity, W4DEX and I will be watching the > 135.922 kHz region on Sunday night/ Monday morning, starting at 2200 UTC on > Sunday. Notes: > > Using ARGO 60 second normal-speed screen. > Upper Freq = 135923.5 > Lower Freq = 135920.5 > Avoid: 135921.05 and 135920.92 (Loran lines) > > We will both post captures to the Web, and will post the URL's before the > start. > > Anyone who wishes to participate (sending or receiving) is welcome. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13157 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 15:12:40 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 15:12:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 29568 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 15:13:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 15:13:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xjnq-0007aF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:13:34 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xjnp-0007a6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:13:33 +0000 Received: from host213-122-0-198.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.0.198] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Xjno-00050e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:13:33 +0000 Message-ID: <005301c2ba4d$1793b740$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:12:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, just as a comparison, I browsed my little 2nd hand bookstore in Felixstowe just before Christmas and he has several copies of the Ad. Handbook Part I 1938 (later impressions abt 1942) and one copy of the the Part II. He wanted £20 for the part II !! The copy of Terman's Radio Engineering I bought from him, was more of a bargain. Anyone got a spare copy of Vol 5 (Loran) of the Radiation Lab Series ?? Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25672 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:52:04 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:52:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 14412 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 13:51:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 13:51:50 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XiWF-00076A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:51:19 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.106] (helo=imo-r10.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XiWD-000761-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:51:17 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.192.13da7027 (18403) for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 08:50:42 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <192.13da7027.2b52ccb2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 08:50:42 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re: French lines Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0tests=MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi group,

the band is fairly quiet this sunday, and had most enjoyable QSO's with DF8ZR, EA1PX and M0BMU using QRSS, DFCW and Hell modes.

At 13:15, I tried a small survey of spectral lines I can see between 137744 and 137753Hz on Argo-60. Noise was around -34 dBµV/m in 10mHz RBW.

   f/Hz     FS/dBµV/m
-137700   (approx.)

752.99  -22
751.70  -21
750.70  -28
750.42  -18
750.22   ? (seen last night, now gone)
748.42  -30
748.31  -28
746.97  -18
745.04  -23
744.53  -18 (also seen by EA1PX)

I assume that most of these lines are from LORAN. The three strongest ones appear to be coming in from WNW, so an origin in Western France seems reasonable. Hope this may help...

73 es have a nice sunday

Markus,
DF6NM in Nuernberg, JN59NK
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 656 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:34:43 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:34:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 1378 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:34:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:34:39 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XjBo-0007Qt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:34:16 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.100] (helo=imo-r04.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XjBm-0007Qk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:34:14 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.16f.19121c6a (3850) for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:33:35 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.19121c6a.2b52d6bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:33:35 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH, SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear John,

listen to the drums ... ;-)

I will try to get on my usual DFCW frequency pair 135922.3 / 922.4 Hz, 60s/20s on/off.

73
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 846 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:28:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:28:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 10503 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:28:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:28:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xj5b-0007NS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:27:51 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [206.46.170.210] (helo=pop017.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xj5a-0007NJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:27:50 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.216.5]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20030112142719.UZVK10203.pop017.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 08:27:19 -0600 Message-ID: <3E217B76.4010909@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:28:06 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030112122026.00a03540@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.216.5] at Sun, 12 Jan 2003 08:27:19 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: Books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Walter Blanchard wrote: > Have a spare copy of Termans' 1943 "Radio Engineers' Handbook" if anyone > wants it. > Also Vol II, 1938 ed. "Admiralty Handbook of Wireless Telegraphy" - the > one with all the gen on loops and LF antennas. > > Walter G3JKV > Hello Walter, I would like to give a new home to your Admiralty book. Let's discuss the modalities (payment, shipment) off this reflector. 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13356 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:20:49 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:20:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 4673 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:20:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:20:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XiyB-0007GG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:20:11 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XiyA-0007G6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:20:10 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.161]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030112142010.ZQKW5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:20:10 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2ba45$b1821fc0$a1ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <104120315901@thecia.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:18:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: autoresponder... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "merv" To: Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 11:15 PM Subject: LF: autoresponder... > My apologies to all: my site-hosting company changed servers and > activated the autoresponder by mistake. It has now been turned off again. Hi Merv Did you get my message sent recently. de Mal/G3KEV > > 73's > > NC1K. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12603 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:19:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:19:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 23018 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:19:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:19:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xix5-0007Bg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:19:03 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xix5-0007BX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:19:03 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.161]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030112141902.ZPZK5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:19:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2ba45$895739e0$a1ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:33:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: FW: [Lowfer] WC2XSR/13 New Frequency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: LF: FW: [Lowfer] WC2XSR/13 New Frequency > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lowfer-admin@mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-admin@mailman.qth.net] On > Behalf Of Ralph Hartwell > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:18 PM > To: Lowfer > Subject: [Lowfer] WC2XSR/13 New Frequency > > WC2XSR/13 went back on the at 1739 CST. > > The modulation is QRSS30, repeating "XSR" one time, followed by CD ID at > 10 WPM. Transmitter power output to the antenna is 400 watts. > > The frequency has been changed to 164.500 KC to facilitate possible > reception by several stations who have reported interference on 166.500 > KC. This freq is completely swamped at my QTH by a French Broadcast Stn S9 plus a hundred db over. You probably know already the freq range 190 khz - 400 khz is allocated to the European broadcasting service and there are some very loud stations active. I am surprised you do not hear some of these stations across the ocean blue. Mal/G3KEV > > 73, > > Ralph W5JGV / WC2XSR / 13 > > The current On-The-Air status of WC2XSR/13 is available at: > http://home.att.net/~shmrg/wc2xsr-13_log.htm > > My 600 Meter Research Group files are at: > http://home.att.net/~shmrg > > My Home Page is at: > http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell > Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring > > _______________________________________________ > >From the Lowfer mailing list > Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net > To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14470 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:19:37 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:19:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29493 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 14:19:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 14:19:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XixB-0007Bt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:19:09 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xix6-0007Bk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:19:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.161]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030112141904.ZPZR5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:19:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2ba45$8a5aa020$a1ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:37:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: HELL Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,LINES_OF_YELLING,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Nice signal from DL6NM on hell a few mins ago   
 
R BMU TU 73 DE DF6NM CUL SK
 
de G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22674 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 13:36:45 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 13:36:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 2185 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 13:36:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 13:36:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XiHS-00070o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:36:02 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XiHR-00070e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:36:01 +0000 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 13:35:26 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.212] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.2.05) with ESMTP id 588HaLNjw0016M38; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:35:22 GMT Message-ID: <3E216F15.8090001@usa.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:35:17 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <16594.030111@pyrotherm.co.yu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030111142631.00a970f8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3E20DFBC.2A9B9198@otenet.gr> Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000106040801020804040806" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000106040801020804040806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Failrly good copy of Jim's transmission in JN45SL, especially
considering I am without an LF antenna.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi John, Sounds like a good idea. I will allocate myself 135922 transmitting 'LDO' QRSS60 > In an effort to drum up some activity, W4DEX and I will be watching the > 135.922 kHz region on Sunday night/ Monday morning, starting at 2200 UTC on > Sunday. Notes: > > Using ARGO 60 second normal-speed screen. > Upper Freq = 135923.5 > Lower Freq = 135920.5 > Avoid: 135921.05 and 135920.92 (Loran lines) > > We will both post captures to the Web, and will post the URL's before the > start. > > Anyone who wishes to participate (sending or receiving) is welcome. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9155 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 12:32:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 12:32:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 18606 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 12:32:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 12:31:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XhH7-0006lM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:31:37 +0000 Received: from [193.229.0.41] (helo=fep01-app.kolumbus.fi) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XhH7-0006lD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:31:37 +0000 Received: from merocomp ([62.248.136.105]) by fep01-app.kolumbus.fi with SMTP id <20030112123136.TDQH639.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@merocomp> for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:31:36 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c2ba36$8d6c98e0$1c076c0a@arenanet.fi> From: "Matti Niemela" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030112122026.00a03540@mail.pncl.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:31:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Walter, I am interested in Termans Handbook. Still left? Price? 73 Matti OH2ZT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Blanchard" To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: LF: Books > Have a spare copy of Termans' 1943 "Radio Engineers' Handbook" if anyone > wants it. > Also Vol II, 1938 ed. "Admiralty Handbook of Wireless Telegraphy" - the > one with all the gen on loops and LF antennas. > > Walter G3JKV > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18997 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 12:24:04 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 12:24:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 4872 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 12:25:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 12:25:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xh9u-0006hp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:24:10 +0000 Received: from [212.35.226.183] (helo=k2.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xh9u-0006hg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:24:10 +0000 Received: from k7t.pncl.co.uk (39.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.39]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h0CCO8ht012813 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:24:09 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030112122026.00a03540@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:25:20 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Books Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080106060304010904070908" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080106060304010904070908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Have a spare copy of Termans' 1943 "Radio Engineers' Handbook" if anyone wants it. Also Vol II, 1938 ed. "Admiralty Handbook of Wireless Telegraphy" - the one with all the gen on loops and LF antennas. Walter G3JKV --------------080106060304010904070908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; name="ATT12363.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ATT12363.txt" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --------------080106060304010904070908-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25442 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 11:08:41 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 11:08:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 13199 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 10:08:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 10:08:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Xf1k-0006LB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:07:36 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Xf1k-0006L2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:07:36 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030112100735.ZPPI4699.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:07:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c2ba22$9a195100$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:08:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > In an effort to drum up some activity, W4DEX and I will be watching the > 135.922 kHz region on Sunday night/ Monday morning, starting at 2200 UTC on > Sunday. Notes: > John Andrews, W1TAG I will be active on 135.92175kHz. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9370 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 06:39:31 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 06:39:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 23194 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 06:39:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 06:39:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XblO-0005f2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:38:30 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [195.170.0.5] (helo=mailsrv.otenet.gr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XblN-0005et-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:38:29 +0000 Received: from otenet.gr (myti530-a104.otenet.gr [212.205.251.232]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0C6buMb007269 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 08:38:25 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3E20DFBC.2A9B9198@otenet.gr> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 05:23:40 +0200 From: "Alex Deligiannis" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <16594.030111@pyrotherm.co.yu> <5.1.0.14.0.20030111142631.00a970f8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,DEAR_SOMEBODY,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear James, The last part of your JASON transmission ended at 03.05z received at KM39GC 73 Alex SV8QG James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > The Jason beacon signals were transmitted as planned last night - many > thanks to YU7AR for my first report from YU. I think this is the first > report I have had from YU in any mode on LF > > The QRN was also very strong here last night - it was still strong earlier > this afternoon. Looking at the lightning activity maps, there seems to be > thunderstorms in the Mediterranean just off the southern tip of Italy - > perhaps this is where the noise is coming from. > > When I started transmitting last night, the temperature was about +2C, but > as time passed the temperature dropped below freezing, causing the antenna > loss resistance to drop by about 20% by 0300. It is surprising to have this > much effect, because things were only frozen on the surface, as I found out > splashing around in the mud when I took the antenna mast down afterwards! > > I will run the beacon again tonight, from 2200 - 0300utc on 137.5025kHz as > before. Any reports will be very welcome. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7348 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 02:59:30 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 02:59:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 16002 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 02:59:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 02:59:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XYKd-0003a8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:58:39 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.28] (helo=dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XYKd-0003Zz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:58:39 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 20889214 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:02:30 -0500 Message-ID: <003801c2b9e6$7a85c940$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:58:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: QRSS Monitoring 12-13 Jan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false In an effort to drum up some activity, W4DEX and I will be watching the 135.922 kHz region on Sunday night/ Monday morning, starting at 2200 UTC on Sunday. Notes: Using ARGO 60 second normal-speed screen. Upper Freq = 135923.5 Lower Freq = 135920.5 Avoid: 135921.05 and 135920.92 (Loran lines) We will both post captures to the Web, and will post the URL's before the start. Anyone who wishes to participate (sending or receiving) is welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14010 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 01:17:04 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 01:17:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24847 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 01:16:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 01:16:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XWjM-00036U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:16:04 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XWjM-00036L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:16:04 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.192]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h0C1Fvj28027 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:15:57 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:18:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: FW: [Lowfer] WC2XSR/13 New Frequency Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=6.0tests=OUTLOOK_FW_MSG,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false -----Original Message----- From: lowfer-admin@mailman.qth.net [mailto:lowfer-admin@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ralph Hartwell Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:18 PM To: Lowfer Subject: [Lowfer] WC2XSR/13 New Frequency WC2XSR/13 went back on the at 1739 CST. The modulation is QRSS30, repeating "XSR" one time, followed by CD ID at 10 WPM. Transmitter power output to the antenna is 400 watts. The frequency has been changed to 164.500 KC to facilitate possible reception by several stations who have reported interference on 166.500 KC. 73, Ralph W5JGV / WC2XSR / 13 The current On-The-Air status of WC2XSR/13 is available at: http://home.att.net/~shmrg/wc2xsr-13_log.htm My 600 Meter Research Group files are at: http://home.att.net/~shmrg My Home Page is at: http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring _______________________________________________ >>From the Lowfer mailing list Send messages to: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net To sub/unsub visit: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/lowfer From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4563 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 00:51:32 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 00:51:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 11966 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2003 00:51:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2003 00:51:07 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XWKc-0002zz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:50:30 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.106] (helo=imo-r10.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XWKZ-0002zl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:50:27 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.12b.1fe3a082 (4539); Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:49:50 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: <12b.1fe3a082.2b5215ae@cs.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:49:50 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz transatlantic propagation Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_08_13version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Steve,

I don't see the S/N ratios that you do with your 100 ft loop, but I can copy DCF-39 clearly by ear on skywave using my Wellbrook LFL-1010 here at FN20WW.

Ray, W2RS
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31436 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 23:45:25 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 23:45:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 4906 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 23:45:19 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 23:45:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 22644 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jan 2003 23:45:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 23:45:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XVIM-0002jN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:44:06 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XVIL-0002jE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:44:06 +0000 Received: from host213-122-140-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.140.136] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18XVIL-0003hy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:44:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2b9cb$4968cda0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:43:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false What do you mean neighbours, he couldn't let them find that big crock-clip on the bottom of their 600foot mast could he !! (If in doubt check about that the postal address) Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "G4WGT" To: Sent: 11 January 2003 19:32 Subject: RE: LF: Jason Beacon signals > Hi to Jim & LF, > > You wrote - > > as I found out splashing around in the mud when I took the antenna mast > down afterwards! > > ************ > > Is the antenna that big you dare not let the neighbours see it in daylight, > HI HI. > > Received your JASON Tx 100% but not surprising, your sig is S5 on my > reciever. > > Regards > > Gary G4WGT. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1911 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 19:33:43 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 19:33:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 15498 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 19:33:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 19:33:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XRMG-0001cQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:31:52 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XRMG-0001cH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:31:52 +0000 Received: from [213.40.204.233] (helo=tcs1) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18XRLk-0003s6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:31:21 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:32:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030111142631.00a970f8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi to Jim & LF, You wrote - as I found out splashing around in the mud when I took the antenna mast down afterwards! ************ Is the antenna that big you dare not let the neighbours see it in daylight, HI HI. Received your JASON Tx 100% but not surprising, your sig is S5 on my reciever. Regards Gary G4WGT. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19097 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 16:21:38 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 16:21:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10079 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 16:21:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 16:21:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XONh-0000zK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:21:09 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XONg-0000zB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:21:09 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.192]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h0BGL4j00725 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:21:04 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:23:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3E204140.8060102@verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns2.genesis-technology.com id h0BGL4j00725 Subject: RE: LF: Re: Off topic: buying used books via Internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false That is where I bought my '43 Terman. Excellent service and fast shipping. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Andre Kesteloot Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:07 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Off topic: buying used books via Internet Holger 'Geri', DK8KW wrote: > Thanks, Dick, > > >I gave this hint also to a Dutch amateur who was looking > >for Terman's Radio Engineer's Handbook and he bought > >a used copy also at ALIBRIS. > > > that was an excellent hint, just ordered my copy of that book :-) > > Best 73 > > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) > Still without LF-antenna ... Another excellent and reliable address is http://www.abebooks.com 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16171 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 16:08:52 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 16:08:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 10457 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 16:08:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 16:08:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XOAK-0000t8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:07:20 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [206.46.170.210] (helo=pop017.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XOAJ-0000sz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:07:19 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.42.155]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20030111160648.RLKW10203.pop017.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:06:48 -0600 Message-ID: <3E204140.8060102@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:07:28 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030111123744.0281a920@POP3.freeler.nl> <001801c2b988$1d8e21a0$fe78a8c0@W1KW> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.42.155] at Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:06:47 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Off topic: buying used books via Internet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Holger 'Geri', DK8KW wrote: > Thanks, Dick, > > >I gave this hint also to a Dutch amateur who was looking > >for Terman's Radio Engineer's Handbook and he bought > >a used copy also at ALIBRIS. > > > that was an excellent hint, just ordered my copy of that book :-) > > Best 73 > > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) > Still without LF-antenna ... Another excellent and reliable address is http://www.abebooks.com 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15579 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 15:44:14 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 15:44:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 3587 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 15:43:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 15:43:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XNms-0000jn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:43:06 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.189] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XNmr-0000je-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:43:06 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18XNmr-00013j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:43:05 +0100 Received: from [217.0.191.84] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18XNmr-0004R3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:43:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c2b988$1d8e21a0$fe78a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030111123744.0281a920@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:42:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Off topic: buying used books via Internet Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks, Dick,

>I gave this hint also to a Dutch amateur who was looking
>for Terman's Radio Engineer's Handbook and he bought
>a used copy also at ALIBRIS.

 
that was an excellent hint, just ordered my copy of that book  :-)
 
Best 73
 
Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
Still without LF-antenna ...
 
 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17661 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 14:59:00 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 14:59:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 27981 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 14:58:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 14:58:56 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22425 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jan 2003 14:58:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 14:58:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XN4w-0000Y7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:57:42 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XN4v-0000Xy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:57:41 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18XN4m-0004Rk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:57:32 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18XN4c-000619-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:57:22 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030111142631.00a970f8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:57:06 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <3E201D8D.EC4111C0@att.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <16594.030111@pyrotherm.co.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, The Jason beacon signals were transmitted as planned last night - many thanks to YU7AR for my first report from YU. I think this is the first report I have had from YU in any mode on LF The QRN was also very strong here last night - it was still strong earlier this afternoon. Looking at the lightning activity maps, there seems to be thunderstorms in the Mediterranean just off the southern tip of Italy - perhaps this is where the noise is coming from. When I started transmitting last night, the temperature was about +2C, but as time passed the temperature dropped below freezing, causing the antenna loss resistance to drop by about 20% by 0300. It is surprising to have this much effect, because things were only frozen on the surface, as I found out splashing around in the mud when I took the antenna mast down afterwards! I will run the beacon again tonight, from 2200 - 0300utc on 137.5025kHz as before. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30050 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 13:58:33 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 13:58:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18071 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 12:58:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 12:58:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XLCw-0008PG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:57:50 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XLCw-0008P7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:57:50 +0000 Received: from host62-6-85-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.85.226] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18XLCv-0002CK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:57:50 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2b970$f86c0660$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2b909$66f0da60$6507a8c0@Main> <000401c2b94e$63fe6800$18c828c3@erica> <000601c2b956$32a81f00$d3e086d4@erica> <003d01c2b96e$c4113b80$d5c863d5@BI57429bankinter> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:56:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: French lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Jose, it is just that Peter, Mike and I ( and a few others) have often discussed these lines in the past and speculated on their origin. They seem to peak up southerly to us, which might put them somewhere in France.....hence they get called "the French Lines"....if anyone knows better we would all be interested. Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "José Manuel" To: Sent: 11 January 2003 12:41 Subject: LF: Re: Re: French lines > Hi Peter and Group: > > I copy a very weak line now , I need QRSS60, on 137744.54 Hz, but what is > it? why French line? > > 73 de José, EA1PX > > > > > > Most of the time I only get one line and it is quite strong - audible at > > > around S5. > > > On my receive system it is 137.7465kHz > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27489 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 13:55:31 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 13:55:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16951 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 12:55:20 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 12:55:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 25800 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jan 2003 12:43:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 12:43:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XKy6-0008J1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:42:30 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XKy5-0008Is-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:42:29 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.186]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H8JV9K02.4R4 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01c2b96e$c4113b80$d5c863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2b909$66f0da60$6507a8c0@Main> <000401c2b94e$63fe6800$18c828c3@erica> <000601c2b956$32a81f00$d3e086d4@erica> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:41:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: French lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Peter and Group: I copy a very weak line now , I need QRSS60, on 137744.54 Hz, but what is it? why French line? 73 de José, EA1PX > > Most of the time I only get one line and it is quite strong - audible at > > around S5. > > On my receive system it is 137.7465kHz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20666 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 13:34:48 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 13:34:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 1828 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 13:34:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 13:34:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XLlk-0000DK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:33:48 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XLlk-0000DB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:33:48 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030111133436.YJNR20623.host3@att.net> for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:34:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3E201D8D.EC4111C0@att.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:35:09 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <16594.030111@pyrotherm.co.yu> Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false No copy in NC last night. Propagation looked fair but S/N was poor. Lots of QRN form somewhere. QRN wasn't local so LF propagation to it's source was also good. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8389 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 13:19:13 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 13:19:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 20322 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 13:18:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 13:18:42 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XLWU-000063-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:18:02 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [62.108.119.250] (helo=ns.pyrotherm.co.yu) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XLWL-00005u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:17:53 +0000 Received: from TB1200 ([62.108.119.73]) by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id h0BEFx121856 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:15:59 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:16:44 +0100 From: "YU7AR" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <16594.030111@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080103000808040606090909" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080103000808040606090909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello James, Friday, January 10, 2003, 12:10:40 PM, you wrote: JM> Dear LF Group, JM> I am planning to run the Jason beacon again tonight and during the weekend. JM> I aim to start tonight around 2200 utc and carry on until about 0300. JM> Frequency will be centered on 137.5025kHz, in an attempt to dodge some of JM> the Loran spectral lines present across the pond. I am hoping for some JM> further transatlantic signal reports, but of course any other signal JM> reports will also be very welcome. JM> Cheers, Jim Moritz JM> 73 de M0BMU Hi Jim, Here is your last night JASON95 sigs. 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11 Jan 2003 11:34:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XJtH-00080I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:33:27 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XJtG-000809-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:33:26 +0000 Received: from [62.21.136.129] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18XJtF-000719-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:33:26 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030111123744.0281a920@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:38:44 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Off topic: buying used books via Internet Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Correction: The URL should be http://www.alibris.com/).

To All from PA0SE

A useful internet site for used books is ALIBRIS (http://alibris.com/).

I looked for a book on radar by Buderi: The Invention that changed the world.

The list price at the Internet bookshop AMAZON was $39.98 but is was out of print.

At ALIBRIS I bought it for $5.47 (plus $9.95 shipping cost :-(  )

It is a bound, used copy but I can see no difference with a new book.

I gave this hint also to a Dutch amateur who was looking for Terman's Radio Engineer's Handbook and he bought a used copy also at ALIBRIS.

73
, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16148 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 11:30:17 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 11:30:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 2631 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 11:29:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 11:29:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XJpM-0007wl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:29:24 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XJpM-0007wc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:29:24 +0000 Received: from [62.21.144.33] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18XJpL-0006Ug-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:29:23 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030111121848.02825080@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:30:29 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Off topic: buying used books via Internet Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

A useful internet site for used books is ALIBRIS (http://alibris.com/).

I looked for a book on radar by Buderi: The Invention that changed the world.

The list price at the Internet bookshop AMAZON was $39.98 but is was out of print.

At ALIBRIS I bought it for $5.47 (plus $9.95 shipping cost :-(  )

It is a bound, used copy but I can see no difference with a new book.

I gave this hint also to a Dutch amateur who was looking for Terman's Radio Engineer's Handbook and he bought a used copy also at ALIBRIS.

73
, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13371 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 11:23:41 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 11:23:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 11063 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 11:23:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 11:23:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XJiJ-0007tO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:22:07 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XJiI-0007tF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:22:06 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.96.126.89]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030111112206.NOHH14589.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:22:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c2b963$d8469380$597e6051@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2b909$66f0da60$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 11:23:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: re French lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Hi Peter, I am not really in calibration at the moment and I have a limit of > +/- 0.1Hz. But for what its worth I make the lines 137.7446 and 137.7528. I > doubt whether Markus can hear(see) them at his location. I will try again > tomorrow when its a bit quieter, as they do make a useful marker at this end > of the band. > Cheers de Alan G3NYK I agree with these measurements. I use Argo calibrated against 60kHz. The IC-706 Mk1 seems to re-set to within a fraction of 1Hz after 10 minutes warm up, and stays better than 0.1Hz after that. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26103 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 09:44:16 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 09:44:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 12445 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 09:44:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 09:44:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XIAc-0007I5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:43:14 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XIAc-0007Ht-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:43:14 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-211.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.211] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18XIAZ-000E2K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:43:13 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c2b956$32a81f00$d3e086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2b909$66f0da60$6507a8c0@Main> <000401c2b94e$63fe6800$18c828c3@erica> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:44:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: French lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > > Most of the time I only get one line and it is quite strong - audible at > around S5. > On my receive system it is 137.7465kHz > On the other hand DFC39 is on 138.8305. > If I assume DFC is on 138.830kHz then I can apply a correction of -.5Hz to > make the line that I am receiving 137.747kHz Correction make the line that I am receiving 137.746kHz G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15486 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 08:49:29 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 08:49:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20650 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 08:48:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 08:48:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XHIX-00070B-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:47:21 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XHIX-000702-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:47:21 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-24.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.24] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18XHIW-000OBY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:47:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2b94e$63fe6800$18c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2b909$66f0da60$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:48:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: re French lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Alan > Hi Peter, I am not really in calibration at the moment and I have a limit of > +/- 0.1Hz. But for what its worth I make the lines 137.7446 and 137.7528. I > doubt whether Markus can hear(see) them at his location. I will try again > tomorrow when its a bit quieter, as they do make a useful marker at this end > of the band. Most of the time I only get one line and it is quite strong - audible at around S5. On my receive system it is 137.7465kHz On the other hand DFC39 is on 138.8305. If I assume DFC is on 138.830kHz then I can apply a correction of -.5Hz to make the line that I am receiving 137.747kHz That W3EEE site is good is it not? During the period when the T/A was exceptional Laurence was receiving most of the LF broadcast stations in EU much stronger than usual. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9952 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 06:23:03 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 06:23:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 8311 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 06:22:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 06:22:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XF1A-0006T9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:21:16 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XF1A-0006T0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:21:16 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-173.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.173] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18XF19-000Gce-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:21:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2b939$fa8e4f20$adce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c2b90c$13661b00$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:22:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: T/A Propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alan G3NYK said > Hi all, the Trans-Atlantic path seems to be peaking about 10dB above average > tonight. It is still 5/6dB below the peaks on the best nights (5 & 6 Jan) > according to Steve's realtime plot. You may find the plot on my web-site in > place of the old CFH plot useful. It gives the plots for the 5th and 6th and > an average line for all the data between 19th Dec to 6th Jan. This is a > useful benchmark to put against the realtime plot. Geomag conditions have > been fairly quiet since about 19th Dec with the Kp not exceeding 4 since > then. I am currently transmitting on 137.7695kHz QRS60 Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9840 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 04:08:37 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 04:08:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 7156 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 04:08:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 04:08:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18XCv2-0005wp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 04:06:48 +0000 Received: from [65.32.1.41] (helo=smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18XCv1-0005wg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 04:06:47 +0000 Received: from tom5ksmr02ez2f ([24.26.84.255]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id h0B46itm024953; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:06:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001101c2b926$c59d9590$ff541a18@tom5ksmr02ez2f> From: "Thomas Giella KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" , "a PSC E-List" , "a HCDX Prop Channel" , "a Greyline Prop E-List" Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:06:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: KN4LF 7 Day HF/MF Radio Propagation Outlook #2003-03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=6.0tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,LINES_OF_YELLING_3, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false KN4LF 7 Day HF/MF Radio Propagation Outlook #2003-03 Published 11:00 PM EST 03/01/10 For 03/01/11-03/01/16. PROPAGATION OUTLOOK- Global HF Propagation Conditions: Low Latitude: Good Mid Latitude: Good Hi Latitude: Fair To Good Global MF Propagation Conditions: Expect fair to good domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and fair on north south paths in the northern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. Expect fair domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and poor to fair on north south paths in the southern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. "High latitude" northern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. "High latitude" southern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be poor to fair. "Mid latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair to good. "Mid latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. "Low latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be good. "Low latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. QRN OUTLOOK- During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the northern hemisphere due to proximity of the Inter Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ). Northern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to occasionally high" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. Northern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "low to occasionally moderate" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the southern hemisphere tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to high" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "moderate" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Here are some general guidelines concerning correlation of space weather and propagation indices to actual expected HF/MF propagation conditions. 1.) Dropping indices numbers are better. 2.) Solar flux under 150 okay, under 100 better, 70 is best for E layer multi hop. 2a.) For high frequencies (HF) solar flux of 100 is okay, 150 better, above 200 best. 3.) Solar flux of at least 100 for E valley-F layer ducting mechanism. 4.) Previous 24 hour Ap index under 10, under 7 for several days consecutively is best. 5.) Previous 3 hour Kp index under 3 for mid latitude paths, under 2 for high latitude paths, 0-1 for several days consecutively is best. 6.) Energetic protons no greater then 10 MeV (10+0) for 160/120 meters and no greater then (10-1) on MF broadcast band. 7.) Background x-ray flux levels less than C2 for several days consecutively for 160/120 meters and less then C1 for MF broadcast band. 8.) No current STRATWARM alert. 9.) IMF Bz with a negative sign, indicates a better chance of high latitude path auroral absorption/unpredictable refraction or scattering of MF RF signals, when the Kp is above 3. SPACE WEATHER INDICES DURING THE PAST 7 DAY PERIOD, SPACE WEATHER INDICES EXPECTED DURING THE 7 DAY OUTLOOK PERIOD AND EXPLANATIONS OF THEIR IMPACT ON ANTICIPATED PROPAGATION CONDITIONS. ENERGETIC PROTON FLUX- During the previous 7 day period no elevated energetic proton flux events of >10 MeV (10+0) occurred. During the 7 day outlook period the probability of an elevated energetic proton flux event >10 MeV (10+0) is placed at 30%. An elevated energetic proton flux level greater then (10+0) on 160 meters and greater then (10-1) on the medium frequency broadcast band creates noticeably increased winter time day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium wave frequencies, especially on high latitude propagation paths but it can also negatively impact mid latitudes, depending on the intensity of the event. Elevated energetic proton events too small to be categorized as a Polar Cap Absorption event (PCA) can still impact high and mid level medium frequency propagation paths in the form of excessive D layer absorption. This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. ((((Note, high latitude medium frequency radio propagation paths can still be disturbed for days and up to weeks, following the end of an official >10 MeV (10+0) proton event.)))) SOLAR FLUX- During the previous 7 day period the daily solar flux level ranged between 186 and 114. During the outlook period the daily solar flux values should range between approximately 200 and 165. During the previous 7 day period the daily "average" Background X-Ray Flux level ranged between B4.4 and C1.1. Elevated background X-ray flux levels can impact propagation of medium frequency signals in a negative manner. Background X-ray flux levels of C1 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of 160 and 120 meter signals and B9 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of AM broadcast band signals. Remember though that there are daily extremes of the Background X-ray flux level. So even though the daily average might have been good at say B2.2, the daily "extreme" maximum could have been C1.5, which would have been bad and have cause a short period of increased D layer absorption. High solar flux values are generally considered to be detrimental to propagation of medium frequency signals both domestic and Trans Atlantic (TA) & Trans Pacific (TP), as more absorption can be present via the transmitted signals' two trips through the D layer at the takeoff and arrival points. Most "strong" longer haul medium frequency DX signals in excess of 3000 miles is via the E Valley-F layer ducting and/or Chordal Hop propagation modes. Therefore high solar flux values can aid in long haul medium frequency propagation paths in excess of 3000 miles, as a high solar flux value ensures a strong F layer part of the E Valley-F layer duct or Chordal Hop propagation mechanism. However high solar activity in the form of increased ionization created by Ultraviolet and X-Ray radiation can fill in the E Valley region and interfere with the E Valley-F layer ducting mechanism. In a sense the E Valley-F layer duct is closed on one or both ends of a propagation path and the transmitted MF RF signal only propagates between the E layer and land/ocean surface, with a higher angle and more loss. SOLAR FLARES & SUNSPOT GROUP REGIONS- During the previous 7 day period three M class solar flares occurred. The largest was an M4.6 class solar flare that occured on 03/01/07-08 between 2329-0009 UTC and was released from #10251. Sunspot group #10251 located at S13E58 contains a beta-gamma-delta magnetic structure that harbors energy for huge X class solar flares. It is not in geo-effective position at this time. Sunspot group #10242 located at S08W34 contains a beta-gamma magnetic structure that harbors energy for large M class solar flares. It is in geo-effective position at this time. Solar flare forecast during the outlook period. C- 100% M- 80% X- 40% A C4 or higher class solar flare "can" elevate the proton flux above 10 MeV (10+0) and initiate large scale high and mid latitude propagation path absorption on the AM broadcast band, 160 and 120 meters, both stateside and DX, as a transfer of increased density and RF signal absorption from the day side D layer to night side of the ionosphere occurs through high level neutral winds. Unfortunately even smaller C3 solar flares can create hour to hour and night to night variations in signal strength on medium frequencies. High and mid latitude Trans Atlantic (TA) and Trans Pacific (TP) propagation paths tend to open up after a significant period of time passes without an elevated energetic proton event of >10 MeV (10+0). This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. Openings also occur when the solar background x-ray level falls back to below C2 for 160 and 120 meters and below C1 for the AM broadcast band. CORONAL MASS EJECTIONS/IONOSPHERIC STORMS/VISIBLE AURORA- During the previous 7 day period no geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejections occurred. During the outlook period the probability of a geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is placed at 30%. During the previous 7 day period a small Coronal Hole was in a geo-effective (Earth facing) position. It's related Solar Wind Stream impacted the (IMF) on 03/01/03-04, with a peak of 4 (Active), then with a Kp index of 3 (Unsettled) for the rest of the period. During the outlook period no recurring Coronal Holes will rotate into geo-effective (Earth facing) position and impact the (IMF). The following related geomagnetic conditions will occur: During the outlook period the probability of unsettled (Kp-3) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 100%. During the outlook period the probability of active (Kp-4) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 40%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a minor ionospheric storm (Kp-5)(G1) is placed at 20%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a moderate ionospheric storm (Kp-6)(G2) is placed at 10%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a strong ionospheric storm (Kp-7+)(G3+) is placed at 0%. G5 = Extreme - Kp = 9 G4 = Severe - Kp = 8 G3 = Strong - Kp = 7 G2 = Moderate - Kp = 6 G1 = Minor - Kp = 5 Active - Kp = 4 Unsettled - Kp = 3 During the outlook period the probability of a visible high latitude Aurora display is placed at 100%, mid latitude 30%. The Aurora Index at 0031 UTC 03/01/11 is a 7. The NOAA POES historical database that was used to construct statistical patterns of auroral power flux for each of the 10 levels of auroral activity as defined by total power dissipation as illustrated in the following table. Total Power Dissipation in Gigawatts/Activity Index Kp Index/Aurora Index 04-06/3/1+ 10-16/5/2+ 24-39/7/3+ 61-96/9/5- At 0218 UTC On 03/01/11 the Bz was 2.8 nt south. The Wang-Sheeley Interplanetary Magnetic Field (IMF) Model which predicts the Sun's IMF polarity, forecasts a negative (-) polarity between 03/01/11-03/01/16. When the polarity of the IMF is negative a visible mid latitude Aurora display is likely when a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. When the polarity of the IMF is positive a visible mid latitude Aurora display is unlikely as a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. A Geomagnetic or Ionospheric Storm is a worldwide disturbance of the earth's magnestosphere induced by the Sun's interplanetary magnetic field (IMF), distinct from regular diurnal variations. A Coronal Mass Ejection is the name given to an ejection of a large amount of matter from the Sun's outer atmosphere or corona. These ejections typically comprise millions of tons of material in the form of charged particles, and can be seen because the material reflects sunlight. When one of these ejections is directed towards the Earth (or conversely, directly away from the Earth), it looks like a roughly circular "halo" surrounding the Sun. The "Halo CME's" then are those CME's which are more likely to impact the Earth than those which are shot out at right angles to the Earth-Sun line. Energetic protons emitted during CME's play a major role in increased day time and night-time D-layer absorption of mediumwave frequencies. Coronal Mass Ejections were once thought to be completely initiated by solar flares. However it is now known that many (CME's) are not associated with Solar Flares. If a (CME) collides with the Earth, it can excite a Geomagnetic Storm if the polarity of the IMF has a negative sign. We must be vigilant in watching for geoeffective (CME's), in order to not be caught by surprise with a seemingly sudden and unexpected Geomagnetic Storm. As the Kp index reaches 3-4, the aurora oval begins expanding equatorward in magnetic latitude and generally begins having a negative impact on high latitude medium frequency propagation paths. A Kp index of 5 or higher begins to have a negative impact on high latitude high frequency shortwave propagation paths. However at times skewed path propagation conditions can compensate for high latitude propagation path auroral absorption. STRATOSPHERIC WARMING- During the past 7 day outlook period Stratospheric Warming did occur. During the outlook period increased winter like day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium frequency signals, tied to Stratospheric Warming in the northern hemisphere is "probable". As the SEC explains it: Stratwarm: STRATWARM ALERT / SUNDAY / STRATWARM EXISTS INTENSE WARMING CONTINUES IN THE UPPER STRATOSPHERE. WITHIN THE NEXT THREE DAYS: EASILY WINDS AT 60N IN 1 HPA; REVERSED TEMPERATURE GRADIENT BETWEEN THE NORTH POLE AND 60N FROM 10 TO 1 HPA; AN ELONGATION OF THE COLD POLAR VORTEX INTO TWO CENTERS IN THE LOWER AND MID-STRATOSPHERE. This occurrence is tied to intense warming in the Stratosphere due to the cold Circumpolar Vortex splitting and shifting in it's Arctic position. A little related Meteorology: Interrelated with the splitting and shifting of the Arctic Circumpolar Vortex, is a Tropospheric level negative North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and Pacific-North America Anomaly (PNA), mid and upper air height anomaly pattern. This equates to a large high pressure ridge in Western North America extending northward all the way into the Yukon region of Canada and a deep trough in the Eastern North America, from the eastern U.S. extending down into the Yucatan region of Mexico, with a second ridge in the western North Atlantic Ocean. This pattern is also called a dual blocking ridge and taps Siberian Arctic air, sending it across the North Pole into the eastern 2/3's of Canada and the U.S.,providing for very cold surface temperatures. As the stratosphere lies below the ionosphere, which is at mesosphere and thermosphere height, you would not expect to see stratospheric warming effect medium frequency propagation in any way BUT medium frequency signals do propagate off of temperature inversions and moisture discontinuities and a temperature inversion is involved with stratospheric warming. So it's probable that a medium frequency signal could do any number of things when scattering off of a temperature inversion, at any height. Unfortunately though some otherwise very knowledgeable Physicists stubbornly resist this concept. Also stratospheric warming (STRATWARM) has a negative effect on medium frequency propagation, due to increasing medium frequency radio wave absorption by the D layer, via upward propagating Internal Gravity Waves (IGW). This phenomenon also occurs in southern hemisphere winter but seems to be less pronounced. 73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF EL87WX Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 546 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 01:31:35 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 01:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 23132 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 01:31:29 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 01:31:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 5326 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Jan 2003 00:37:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 00:37:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X9d8-00052q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:36:06 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X9d8-00052h-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:36:06 +0000 Received: from host213-122-18-152.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.18.152] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18X9d7-0003gd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:36:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2b909$66f0da60$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:35:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re French lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Peter, I am not really in calibration at the moment and I have a limit of +/- 0.1Hz. But for what its worth I make the lines 137.7446 and 137.7528. I doubt whether Markus can hear(see) them at his location. I will try again tomorrow when its a bit quieter, as they do make a useful marker at this end of the band. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20182 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 00:59:36 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 00:59:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 3700 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 00:59:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 00:59:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X9ve-00058g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:55:14 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X9ve-00058X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:55:14 +0000 Received: from host213-122-18-152.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.18.152] helo=Main) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18X9vd-0000YJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:55:13 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c2b90c$13661b00$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:54:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, the Trans-Atlantic path seems to be peaking about 10dB above average tonight. It is still 5/6dB below the peaks on the best nights (5 & 6 Jan) according to Steve's realtime plot. You may find the plot on my web-site in place of the old CFH plot useful. It gives the plots for the 5th and 6th and an average line for all the data between 19th Dec to 6th Jan. This is a useful benchmark to put against the realtime plot. Geomag conditions have been fairly quiet since about 19th Dec with the Kp not exceeding 4 since then. Steve's real time plot at www.w3eee.com Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm for prop data. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12886 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 00:04:09 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 00:04:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 6348 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2003 00:03:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 00:03:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X96z-0004qp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:02:53 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X96y-0004qg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:02:52 +0000 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2003 00:02:50 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.179.68] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.2.05) with ESMTP id 353Hakacv0359M38; Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:02:48 GMT Message-ID: <3E1F5F1E.3030409@usa.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 01:02:38 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110164545.02cc2b58@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false James Moritz wrote: > Maybe that is a job for some future piece of software - but if you > have a few PCs lying around in the shack, there is nothing to stop you > doing it now - connect them all to the RX audio output , set one up > with a waterfall display to identify signals of interest, then set up > the rest running Jason decoders (or other modes, for that matter), so > that as soon as a signal is identified, one of the other PCs can be > assigned to decode that signal > [...] > . And, if you have an AC97-compliant sound card, you can have multiple Jason and Argo and Spectran etc. sessions all running at the same time on the same PC. This is how I initially tested Jason : two copies on the same PC, one transmitting and the other receiving. Hardly classifiable as a DX, but handy for testing. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20813 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 23:39:24 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 23:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1191 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 22:39:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 22:39:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X7nG-0004Wh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:38:26 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X7nG-0004WY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:38:26 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-139.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.139] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18X7nA-0009Uu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:38:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c2b8f9$512bfd00$15c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1bd.1aba93c4.2b4fead8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:40:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF Test transmissions & freq measurements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Markus >saw both your nighttime and morning emissions, ufb signal up to >10dBµV/m with QSB, drifting very slightly from 137769.93 to 769.96Hz. >Last night, I joined in for a while: > 23:16...23:52 on 137698.5 QRSS30 and > 00:01...01:57 on 137699.95 / 700.05 DFCW(60+20). Thank you for your report. Your measurement put my frequency higher than I thought it was. I use Argo for frequency measurement. I make a calibration on 60kHz Rugby by setting the receiver frequency dial to 59kHz USB. Rugby comes up at 1000Hz. I then put the cursor over the signal and switch to narrow band mode 60s dots. In my case the signal registers .2Hz high. I have repeated the test with DFC39 and that is .5Hz high and the BBC on 198kHz is .6Hz high Does anyone have an accurate measurement of the 'French' signal near 137750? >With the green absorbers well frozen, aerial efficiency has gone up by 2dB >to 0.135%, ie almost 0.5W E(D)RP from 200W TX power, >including a few sparkling corona lights. Your signal is much stronger than it used to be although I have not actually measured it. A good antenna to put out such a good signal with only 200w. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30802 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 19:31:14 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 19:31:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 29570 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 19:31:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 19:31:09 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X4qy-0003mG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:30:04 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X4qx-0003m2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:30:04 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp01445904pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net [68.83.65.211]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H8I00CYKJH85K@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:29:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:29:33 -0500 From: "Steve Dove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: <049353IH05YWA8DAGKEGDCRM62JBA.3e1f1f1d@Charlie_Drake> Organization: d s p MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-Priority: 3 Subject: LF: 136kHz transatlantic propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=6.0tests=INVALID_MSGID,NOSPAM_INC,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Greetings, Since there is talk of possible transatlantic tests again on 136kHz, it may be of interest that for some little while I've been running a near-real-time signal-vs-time graph of DCF-39 as measured here in Pennsylvania. The site is still very much a work-in-progress, but should be useful as is: http://www.w3eee.com It operates on much the same principal as Dex, W4DEX's measurement of HBG at 75kHz at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/index.html (On the face of it, there seems to be NO correlation between 73kHz and 136kHz, other than they both happen at night!). Of course, for comparison with a shorter, intra-EU path, there is Brian, CT1DRP's measurement of DCF at: http://ct1drp.home.sapo.pt/index.htm 73 all, Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32764 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 18:04:04 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 18:04:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23163 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 17:03:54 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:03:54 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10674 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jan 2003 16:50:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 16:50:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X2La-0002qF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:49:30 +0000 Received: from [134.58.241.13] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X2LZ-0002q2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:49:29 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (ssl32-dmz.kuleuven.net [134.58.241.97]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h0AGmxwk051782 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:48:59 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110174630.01fcbc08@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:56:18 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <27.36199209.2b504eb7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit just to tease Alberto :
shouldn't it be possible to decode multiple JASON signals within a certain frequency window ? Main obstacle may be an algoritm that detects signals from noise. And of course sufficient "calculation power" would be needed, maybe we'll have to wait for the 10GHz Pentium 7 processor ...

73, Rik  ON7YD
 
At 11:28 10/01/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Dear Jim and group,

no criticism intended, but in my opinion machine-decoded modes like Jason or WOLF have one disadvantage for long-haul propagation experiments: They are exclusive, in the sense that potential receivers on the far side can only see one signal at a time, whereas visual modes like QRSS or DFCW allow several stations transmitting side by side.

73 es best of luck
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19641 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 18:03:06 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 18:03:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 2344 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 18:02:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 18:02:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X3Tg-0003Oc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:01:56 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X3Tb-0003OT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:01:51 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.147]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030110180150.BVIQ15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:01:50 +0000 Message-ID: <004e01c2b8d2$53de0f60$93ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:47:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: KL7/ALASKA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Reference recent info from Alaska. I have worked KL7 quite a number of times on 160 metres with very good sig reports each way, especially early in the morning here, could check the log for exact  times if necessary, around 0600z/0700z at this time of year. Also worked W6 and W7 and VE7 at these times.
LF 136 khz could be a possibility, given a good antenna system at each end plus plenty of RF.
To be in with a chance a good high 100 ft plus vertical resonated antenna at each end would be a start. At this distance and path forget about small loops and 1 metre walking sticks.
73 de Mal/G3KEV IO94SH
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23009 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 17:49:16 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:49:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 20139 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 17:48:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:48:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X3Fx-0003Gy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:47:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X3Fw-0003Gp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:47:44 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18X3Ff-0006oi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:47:27 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18X3Fd-0001V8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:47:25 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110164545.02cc2b58@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:47:13 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <27.36199209.2b504eb7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 11:28 10/01/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Jim and group, > >no criticism intended, but in my opinion machine-decoded modes like Jason >or WOLF have one disadvantage for long-haul propagation experiments: They >are exclusive, in the sense that potential receivers on the far side can >only see one signal at a time, whereas visual modes like QRSS or DFCW >allow several stations transmitting side by side. > >73 es best of luck >Markus, DF6NM Dear Markus, LF group, This is certainly a drawback of current digital modes - but not necessarily so with a "slow" mode like Jason, where the operator can read the received information at a much faster rate than the data is transmitted. In principle at least , you could do this: Digitise a relatively large bandwidth as a .wav file or similar, and store , for the sake of argument, 30 minutes worth of data in memory. Then generate a waterfall display from this data , so that the operator could see the signals present. Then the operator could specify the frequency of a signal of interest, and the demodulation/ decoding DSP algorithm could decode the signal, again using the same data in memory. Having done that, the operator could repeat the procedure with another signal, and so on. Since Jason et al transmit data slowly, and DSP algorithms can run quite fast, it should be possible to receive, store and process several signals simultaneously, and display them sequentially. Maybe that is a job for some future piece of software - but if you have a few PCs lying around in the shack, there is nothing to stop you doing it now - connect them all to the RX audio output , set one up with a waterfall display to identify signals of interest, then set up the rest running Jason decoders (or other modes, for that matter), so that as soon as a signal is identified, one of the other PCs can be assigned to decode that signal . At the moment, since there is no more than 1 Jason signal most of the time, this would only require 2 PCs, one to monitor the Jason frequency, and one to monitor the QRSS frequencies. The problem would be that the RX bandwidth would have to be wide enough to include 135.9xx kHz, as well as 137.5kHz., so the RX would probably be overloaded if anyone local was QRV in the CW band segment . But that might not be a problem in the USA. An easy solution would be If I transmitted the Jason beacon closer to the "transatlantic" segment, so that all the signals would fit through a CW filter. If anyone would care to try this, and would care to nominate a suitable frequency near 135.9kHz, I could do that now..... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30879 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 17:17:55 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:17:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3861 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 17:17:26 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:17:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 20975 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jan 2003 17:09:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:09:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X2dy-00031g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:08:30 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X2dx-00031X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:08:30 +0000 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h0AH8Qg09682 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA19142; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:08:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601c2b8cb$c34efa00$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <27.36199209.2b504eb7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:14:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Markus, Two thoughts regarding your comments on the machine-decoded modes: 1. Jason and WOLF (especially if it ever moves into real time) have the ability to move enough information in a reasonable amount of time, to permit 2-way contacts. It seems proper to be testing that approach. The band seems wide enough to accomodate the operation. 2. Please do beat the drum to get more QRSS fellows to beacon in clusters. There's been fairly little of that operation this year. And unless we're notified over here in Western Pond-Land, there won't be anyone looking. Since I'm out a lot in the evening, I will probably miss messages sent at 2300 that someone is going to beacon for a few hours. A little advance warning would be a help. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9844 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 17:17:29 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:17:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 3458 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 17:16:57 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:16:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 20684 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jan 2003 17:08:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 17:08:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X2dF-000315-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:07:45 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X2dE-00030w-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:07:44 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18X2dE-0006EH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c2b8ca$e63c20c0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <27.36199209.2b504eb7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:08:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
That's a good point Markus.
 
I thought of joining the beacon test but there would be no point as only one signal can be in the window at once.
We could do a timed window idea with different stations at different times on the same frequency I suppose?
 
Dave
G3YXM.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals

Dear Jim and group,

no criticism intended, but in my opinion machine-decoded modes like Jason or WOLF have one disadvantage for long-haul propagation experiments: They are exclusive, in the sense that potential receivers on the far side can only see one signal at a time, whereas visual modes like QRSS or DFCW allow several stations transmitting side by side.

73 es best of luck
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16304 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 16:33:53 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 16:33:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23982 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 16:33:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 16:33:30 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18X227-0002hM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:29:23 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.162] (helo=imo-m07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18X225-0002hB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:29:21 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.27.36199209 (25098) for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:28:39 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <27.36199209.2b504eb7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:28:39 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Jim and group,

no criticism intended, but in my opinion machine-decoded modes like Jason or WOLF have one disadvantage for long-haul propagation experiments: They are exclusive, in the sense that potential receivers on the far side can only see one signal at a time, whereas visual modes like QRSS or DFCW allow several stations transmitting side by side.

73 es best of luck
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16422 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 11:15:40 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 11:15:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 9059 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 11:15:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 11:15:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Wx7N-0001G4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:14:29 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Wx7M-0001Fv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:14:28 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Wx7F-0004qL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:14:21 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Wx74-0001Vm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:14:10 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110103024.00a96cd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:10:40 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Jason Beacon signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, I am planning to run the Jason beacon again tonight and during the weekend. I aim to start tonight around 2200 utc and carry on until about 0300. Frequency will be centered on 137.5025kHz, in an attempt to dodge some of the Loran spectral lines present across the pond. I am hoping for some further transatlantic signal reports, but of course any other signal reports will also be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20657 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 10:25:57 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 10:25:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 17106 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 10:25:34 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 10:25:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 18977 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Jan 2003 10:25:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 10:25:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WwKp-0000yN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:24:19 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.100] (helo=imo-r04.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WwKo-0000y7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:24:18 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.b0.32985147 (3890) for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 05:23:44 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 05:23:44 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: LF Test transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Peter,

oops, correction... that should have been "137768.93 to 768.96Hz". Yes, there is a built-in error-checking function here - it's automagically activated by hitting the "send" button ;-(

Markus, DF6NM

saw both your nighttime and morning emissions, ufb signal up to 10dBµV/m with QSB, drifting very slightly from 137769.93 to 769.96Hz.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31760 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 09:24:50 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 09:24:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 19900 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 09:24:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 09:24:26 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WvNc-0000ah-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:23:08 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.99] (helo=imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WvNb-0000ZL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:23:07 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.1bd.1aba93c4 (18555) for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 04:22:32 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1bd.1aba93c4.2b4fead8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 04:22:32 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: LF Test transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=6.0tests=MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Peter,

saw both your nighttime and morning emissions, ufb signal up to 10dBµV/m with QSB, drifting very slightly from 137769.93 to 769.96Hz.

Last night, I joined in for a while:
  23:16...23:52 on 137698.5 QRSS30 and
  00:01...01:57 on 137699.95 / 700.05 DFCW(60+20).

With the green absorbers well frozen, aerial efficiency has gone up by 2dB to 0.135%, ie almost 0.5W E(D)RP from 200W TX power, including a few sparkling corona lights.

73 de Markus, DF6NM


0630Z

I am making a test transmission in the hope that it may be received by
KL1X - frequency 137.7695kHz QRSS60
If anyone sees it I would appreciate a frequency check.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5593 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 06:39:29 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 06:39:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7205 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 06:38:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 06:38:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Wso1-0008V3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:38:13 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Wso1-0008Uu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:38:13 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-75.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.75] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Wsnp-0005Zl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:38:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2b873$25a64a40$4bc828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:39:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF Test transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false 0630Z I am making a test transmission in the hope that it may be received by KL1X - frequency 137.7695kHz QRSS60 If anyone sees it I would appreciate a frequency check. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12518 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 05:07:53 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 05:07:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4870 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 04:07:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 04:07:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WqRL-00086r-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 04:06:39 +0000 Received: from [208.181.178.237] (helo=neptune.imagenisp.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WqRL-00086i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 04:06:39 +0000 Received: from jsm ([204.244.18.84]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CQG975H9; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:10:28 -0800 Message-ID: <002101c2b85c$96a9af00$5412f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:58:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: NC QRV? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dex...will you be QRSSing tomorrow night & Saturday night with the loopers? If condx hold up I would like to have another crack at the six- pack...or is it seven ? Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24346 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 17:51:02 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 17:51:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 8334 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 16:50:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 16:50:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Wfsq-00061k-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:50:20 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.46] (helo=mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Wfsp-00061a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:50:19 +0000 Received: from default ([62.253.45.17]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030109165015.CATY20174.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@default> for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:50:15 +0000 Message-ID: <00eb01c2b7ff$1762f560$112dfd3e@default> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A01C@btss103a.swh.sk> <00d201c2b736$1bdbc5a0$b930fd3e@default> <001a01c2b768$13b1dae0$1700a8c0@home> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:49:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LFA 520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Dave "Anyone" might be able to receive NDBs over a reasonable distance but like any other area of listening there are some who manage to hear things that most others don't. Perhaps you'd better give some of the Canadian and South American NDBs a try if they're so easy to receive? :-) 73s Tracey > That bloke seems to really like Wellbrook stuff.... > Has anyone ever tried one as a 136 receiving antenna? How does it cope with > being under a TX antenna on power? > Anyone can receive beacons and broadcast stations! ;-) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1328 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 16:19:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 16:19:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 17156 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 16:19:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 16:19:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WfNr-0005rP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:18:19 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WfNr-0005rG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:18:19 +0000 Received: from [80.40.88.99] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18WfBE-0002IZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 16:05:16 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:17:36 -0000 Message-ID: <01C2B7FA.9FABAB10.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:17:35 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RE: Re. LF noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false A small horizontal loop cannot generate vertical polarisation though, so presumably it just radiates vertically upwards, in which case what does the polarisation come down as after reflection ? Will it be arbitrary ? Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Mayhead [SMTP:laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 2003/01/09 13:23 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. LF noise Hi Walter, Perhaps the reason why "noise"is vertically polarised is that noise sources are close to ground,even at HF. Hence ground losses inhibit the establishment of horizontal polarisation.This is more so the lower the frequency, at LF it is impossible to generate Horiz. polarisation using reasonable heights.I know of no LF antenna that can produce horiz. polarisation.Perhaps the story is different at VHF/UHF. 73 Laurie G3AQC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30848 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 13:17:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 13:17:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 25295 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 13:17:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 13:17:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WcWq-0005Gh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:15:24 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.211] (helo=cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WcWq-0005GY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:15:24 +0000 Received: from modem-115.minnesota.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.74.115] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18WcWo-00067n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 13:15:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2b7e2$7d91e340$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:23:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re. LF noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Walter, Perhaps the reason why "noise"is vertically polarised is that noise sources are close to ground,even at HF. Hence ground losses inhibit the establishment of horizontal polarisation.This is more so the lower the frequency, at LF it is impossible to generate Horiz. polarisation using reasonable heights.I know of no LF antenna that can produce horiz. polarisation.Perhaps the story is different at VHF/UHF. 73 Laurie G3AQC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20689 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 11:16:20 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 11:16:20 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 11411 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 10:16:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 10:16:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WZih-0004Xj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:15:27 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [134.58.241.13] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WZig-0004XQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:15:26 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (ssl31-dmz.kuleuven.net [134.58.241.96]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h09AEumP068382 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:14:56 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030109111020.02cabf50@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:22:17 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20030109085759.00a04cd0@mail.pncl.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Apart from that, can anyone tell me why local noise IS a >vertically-polarised E-field problem? I can intuitively (I think) >understand that it would be E-field since it is primarily a high-impedance >phenomenon; but why VERTICALLY-polarised? If it's radiated from local >house wiring etc surely it should be randomly-polarised and just as >evident on horizontally-polarised antennas? I have a 30 m vertical I >occasionally use on 80m and a horizontal dipole for 80m near it. VERY >often there is so much noise on the vertical I can't even hear my local >net; on the horizontal at the same time there is only the faintest trace >of noise and everyone is easily audible. Same on 160m. All the texbooks >agree local noise is vertically-polarised but not one of them explains why. Hello Walter, Maybe "local noise" is vertically polarized because it is generated "against ground" : the wiring in the house acts as antenna, the ground as counterweight. As far as I got it any "against ground" fed antenna is vertically polarized, a nice example is the DDRR antenna that is a completely horizontal construction and yet a vertical polarized antenna. But there might be another reason for the high noise levels on your vertical : Years ago I contructed a full-sized Marconi antenna for 7MHz. In an attempt to be smart I connected just a few short radials and used the "house grounding stake" as counterweight. That worked fine on TX (antenna resistance was very close to 36 Ohm) but I had a tremendous noiselevel on RX. Disconnecting the "house grounding stake" solved the noise problem, but I had to add more and longer radials to get the antenna impedance back to 36 Ohm. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10628 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 10:58:04 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 10:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 9634 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 10:57:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 10:57:42 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WaMX-0004l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:56:37 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WaMW-0004kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:56:36 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18WaM3-00018w-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:56:07 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18WaM1-0001TM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030108191419.0246d878@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:56:04 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <00d201c2b736$1bdbc5a0$b930fd3e@default> References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A01C@btss103a.swh.sk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: LFA 520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Tracey, LF group, At 16:50 08/01/2003 +0000, you wrote: >John Wilson did a comparison test in the Nov 2001 Short Wave Magazine >between the RF Systems 520 and the Wellbrook Communications LFL1010 VLF loop >antenna and the 520 was well beaten by the 1010 . > >http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/LFL1010.html > >The SWM review of the 520/1010 and John's savage comments about the 520 can >be found here! :-) > >http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/reviews/SWM2001Nov.html Looking at this review, it does not actually contain the information you really want to know for a receiving antenna, ie.is the antenna noise floor below the band noise level?. Unless that is true, it would not be much use for weak signal reception. However, the reviewer does compare the SNR when receiving what appears to be DCF29 (DBF29?) on 128.93kHz (see fig 3 and the paragraph above), and on the LFL1010 (the better of the two), gets an SNR of 33dB. I usually find this signal is 50 - 60dB over the band noise (in 300Hz BW - the bandwidth used in the test also does not seem to be stated), so it looks like this antenna has rather poor sensitivity, even though the reviewer likes it. The tests seem to have taken place near Exmoor, so somewhat further from DL than me, but I would not think far enough to reduce the signal level by 20dB. I suppose it is possible the transmitter was running lower power that day, but "Caveat Emptor", as Mr Wilson says! Incidentally, the stuff about having to mount an E-field antenna on a grounded metal pole is a bit peculiar - so long as the feeder is grounded somewhere, it should be happy. Also the idea that local noise is predominantly E-field is certainly not universally true, and at LF, in my opinion, probably a myth. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31030 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 09:44:22 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 09:44:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 19044 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 09:45:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 09:45:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WZEJ-0004Ni-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:44:03 +0000 Received: from [212.35.226.183] (helo=k2.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WZEI-0004NZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:44:03 +0000 Received: from k7t.pncl.co.uk (70.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.70]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h099i0DW012852 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:44:01 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030109085759.00a04cd0@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:44:46 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Noise Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000102030208000409060807" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000102030208000409060807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Re the 520/1010 discussion. Wilsons' main objection to the 520 appears to be that it suffers from a great deal of local noise pickup, which actually would be expected from ANY vertically-polarised E-field antenna. An H-field antenna; e.g. a loop, does not so suffer but this is a fundamental physical fact and should not be attributed to the 520 as if it were something wrong with that antenna itself. These little active verticals are very handy for restricted spaces; e.g. on boats, where there simply isn't the space to put up a loop; but mounting them on a grounded metal mast is ESSENTIAL - if they're put up on a fibreglass pole they will have far less pickup. I had one on my boat top of the mast and it could pick up 10w 300 kHz DGPS stations 800 kms away in daylight - no local noise there, of course (at least, when the engine was off!). Apart from that, can anyone tell me why local noise IS a vertically-polarised E-field problem? I can intuitively (I think) understand that it would be E-field since it is primarily a high-impedance phenomenon; but why VERTICALLY-polarised? If it's radiated from local house wiring etc surely it should be randomly-polarised and just as evident on horizontally-polarised antennas? I have a 30 m vertical I occasionally use on 80m and a horizontal dipole for 80m near it. VERY often there is so much noise on the vertical I can't even hear my local net; on the horizontal at the same time there is only the faintest trace of noise and everyone is easily audible. Same on 160m. All the texbooks agree local noise is vertically-polarised but not one of them explains why. Incidentally for 80m reception my horizontal dipole out-performs not only the vertical but also a 1m dia loop quite easily both in terms of s/n ratio and absolute pickup. I suspect the same would be true of 136 kHz if anyone ever had the space to put up a 136 kHz horizontal dipole at a reasonable height! Now THERE's a challenge for G3KEV. And a Happy New Year to all!!! Walter G3JKV. --------------000102030208000409060807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; name="ATT12402.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ATT12402.txt" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --------------000102030208000409060807-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5257 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 04:38:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 04:38:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 15731 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2003 04:38:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2003 04:38:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WUQa-0003Xf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:36:24 +0000 Received: from [65.32.1.43] (helo=smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WUQa-0003XW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:36:24 +0000 Received: from tom5ksmr02ez2f ([24.26.84.255]) by smtp-server4.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id h094ZkeK019993; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:35:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009701c2b798$811934e0$ff541a18@tom5ksmr02ez2f> From: "Thomas Giella" To: "a HCDX E-List" , "a RSGB LF E-List" , "a Greyline Prop E-List" Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:35:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Please Pardon My Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Please pardon my test. 73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF EL87WX Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31151 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 22:49:31 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 22:49:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24302 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 22:49:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 22:49:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WOzI-0002Zk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:47:52 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WOzH-0002Zb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:47:52 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18WOzH-00029Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:47:51 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2b768$13b1dae0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A01C@btss103a.swh.sk> <00d201c2b736$1bdbc5a0$b930fd3e@default> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:48:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: LFA 520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false That bloke seems to really like Wellbrook stuff.... Has anyone ever tried one as a 136 receiving antenna? How does it cope with being under a TX antenna on power? Anyone can receive beacons and broadcast stations! ;-) Dave G3YXM > John Wilson did a comparison test in the Nov 2001 Short Wave Magazine > between the RF Systems 520 and the Wellbrook Communications LFL1010 VLF loop > antenna and the 520 was well beaten by the 1010 . > > http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/LFL1010.html > > The SWM review of the 520/1010 and John's savage comments about the 520 can > be found here! :-) > > http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/reviews/SWM2001Nov.html > > 73s Tracey > > > > > > Anybody have experiences with receiving antenna LFA 520 from RF SYSTEMS ? > > > > Rich OM2TW > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3580 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 18:35:00 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 18:35:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12861 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 18:34:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 18:34:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WKQM-0001ep-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:55:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=post.omnieng.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WKQC-0001dD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 17:55:24 +0000 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]) by post.omnieng.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18WJXg-0003Dn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 16:59:00 +0000 Received: from default ([62.253.50.48]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030108165131.MBHP20174.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@default> for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:51:31 +0000 Message-ID: <00d201c2b736$1bdbc5a0$b930fd3e@default> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A01C@btss103a.swh.sk> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 16:50:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: LFA 520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Rich John Wilson did a comparison test in the Nov 2001 Short Wave Magazine between the RF Systems 520 and the Wellbrook Communications LFL1010 VLF loop antenna and the 520 was well beaten by the 1010 . http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/LFL1010.html The SWM review of the 520/1010 and John's savage comments about the 520 can be found here! :-) http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/reviews/SWM2001Nov.html 73s Tracey > > Anybody have experiences with receiving antenna LFA 520 from RF SYSTEMS ? > > Rich OM2TW > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1817 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 15:52:06 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 15:52:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 15159 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 15:52:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 15:52:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WITy-0001Ir-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:51:06 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WITx-0001Ii-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:51:05 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18WIRr-0006t1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:48:55 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18WIRp-0000cw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:48:53 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030108150626.02478440@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 15:47:05 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: 137Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Lawrence, LF Group, At 11:45 30/12/2002 -0900, you wrote: > From Laurence aka Flo AL1V (G4DMA) BP41xd 10Kms SW Anchorage Alaska. > >Hi Im now QRV on Rx on this band using Argo 131 > >The 138.8Khz Eu beacon signal is audible to S9+ in the mornings before >2030Z and from 2300Z. (It is very variable on a minute to min basis) > >Long wave stations are even audible thru my winter dayliight hours with >France Inter on 162 and others on 153 sometimes HI quality. BBC R4 is >never strong and is very close to the local US NDB's > >If we take this as a good indicator of band conditions,Id be interested to >know how strong this beacon is being received on the Eastern states at the >time that Eu stations are audible...there may be a chance..we are about >6000Kms from the UK. Nice to have another part of the world to aim at.... DCF39 on 138.83k has about 40kW ERP, so will be roughly 50dB up on most amateur signals of somewhat less than 1W ERP. So if DCF39 gives about 20-30dB SNR in a few hundred Hz CW bandwidth, it should be possible to copy European signals using QRSS signals with small fractions of a Hz bandwidth. Of course, what that translates to on the S meter depends very much on that particular meter! W4DEX has received several European signals over a similar distance, but a somewhat different path, so I guess Alaska should be quite feasible >The path to Europe tends to cross a large cross section of the Au Oval but >whether this is going to make a large difference to prop unless under >extreme proton events I dont know. It would certainly be interesting to see what the difference is in propagation to Alaska compared to other parts of the USA - As well as that, I would expect you will get considerably less thunderstorm QRN than in the more southern states, which would certainly help reception. Wishing you good luck on LF, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6023 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 14:56:35 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 14:56:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 524 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 14:56:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 14:56:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WHbb-00014C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:54:55 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.211] (helo=cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WHba-000143-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:54:54 +0000 Received: from modem-168.massachusetts.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.72.168] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18WHbZ-0001SU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:54:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2b727$39662c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:02:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Teo and all, Many thanks Teo for the report yesterday, looks like a good signal. I will transmit again this afternoon from 1530 on 71.8kHz. I will be using DFCW 15sec elements, 1Hz shift (use 10s ARGO),each CQ call will take 10mins.I will be looking on 137.650kHz for 3sec.QRSS replies. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26457 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 13:25:18 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 13:25:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 15678 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 13:26:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 13:26:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WGCm-0000lb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:25:12 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [192.108.125.37] (helo=ns3.swh.sk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WGCk-0000lS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:25:11 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h08DP6130905 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:25:06 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA05672 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:24:57 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:24:55 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A01C@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:24:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: LFA 520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=6.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, UPPERCASE_25_50version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi LF-ers... Anybody have experiences with receiving antenna LFA 520 from RF SYSTEMS ? Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 553 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 13:14:32 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 13:14:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 5631 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 13:14:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 13:14:28 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WG1A-0000cG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:13:12 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.162] (helo=imo-m07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WG17-0000bv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:13:09 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.141.734d010 (3956) for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:12:33 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <141.734d010.2b4d7dc0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:12:32 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re^3: Strange Signal Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_50_70,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Peter,

welcome to the LF reflector !
My transmission started at Jan 7th, 23:30 and ended today Jan 8th, 01:07 UT.

Good luck
Markus

Hi Markus,
currently means all day long the 8-th of january? 
73
Peter, dj9dw - experimenting with the "GAMAL-Loop"


I am currently transmitting on 137770+-0.05Hz DFCW, 60s on / 20s off, until about 0:30 UT.

73
Markus, DF6NM



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 508 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 13:14:31 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 13:14:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 558 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 13:14:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 13:14:26 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WG1C-0000cU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:13:14 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.163] (helo=imo-m08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WG1A-0000bx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 13:13:12 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.1a2.eb9fda9 (3956) for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:12:34 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.eb9fda9.2b4d7dc2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:12:34 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: DLF spurii reduced Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi group,

since the beginning of Dec. 2002, the daytime 153kHz BC emissions were again accompanied by the infamous spurious sidebands centered around 136kHz up to -57dBc, and a number of amateur stations in South Germany have reported increased noise levels in QSOs. After another telephone call, the system engineers in Donebach could apparently fix the spurious sidebands yesterday, and it has been relatively quiet since 13:27 UT.

The problem seems to be a design flaw in the 250kW AEG PANTEL transmitters, as it is present in both of their two units. It is caused by an unidentified parasitic oscillation in the 54-kHz swich-mode modulator drive circuitry. It was found empirically that chilling a certain CD4011 IC largely suppressed the sidebands, and the ad-hoc solution is opening up the modulator compartment and placing the affected circuit board on an extender board. - On the other hand, this condition is not very well reproducible, and the problem tends to reappear especially at high room temperatures in summer.

73 de Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8101 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 10:03:51 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 10:03:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 17922 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 10:03:29 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 10:03:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 18693 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Jan 2003 10:02:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 10:02:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18WCy9-0008ND-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:57:53 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.85] (helo=mailout11.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18WCy8-0008N4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:57:53 +0000 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18WBYJ-0007vz-0L; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 09:27:07 +0100 Received: from oben (520036610031-0001@[80.128.212.163]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18WB0T-203o2KC; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:52:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c2b6ea$fe099ac0$ee9bfea9@oben> From: "dj9dw" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12a.1f6a9102.2b4cc26d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520036610031-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: LF: Re: Re: Strange Signal Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Markus,
currently means all day long the 8-th of january? 
73
Peter, dj9dw - experimenting with the "GAMAL-Loop"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:53 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Strange Signal

Hi group,

I am currently transmitting on 137770+-0.05Hz DFCW, 60s on / 20s off, until about 0:30 UT.

73
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12309 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 01:14:15 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 01:14:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 12994 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2003 01:15:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2003 01:15:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18W4jC-000748-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:09:54 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [206.46.170.141] (helo=out002.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18W4jB-00073y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:09:53 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.41.66]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20030108010918.MKOZ7656.out002.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:09:18 -0600 Message-ID: <3E1B7A87.3090304@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:10:31 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group" , "lf-amrad" , "AMRAD Tacos" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at out002.verizon.net from [141.156.41.66] at Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:09:18 -0600 Subject: LF: Off subject :-) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false A "nostalgia" site for (some of) the readers of this reflector... 73 André http://www.militaryradio.com/spyradio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17823 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 23:55:21 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 23:55:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4996 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 23:55:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 23:55:00 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18W3Xh-0006rT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:53:57 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.102] (helo=imo-r06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18W3Xf-0006rK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:53:55 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.12a.1f6a9102 (2612) for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:53:18 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.1f6a9102.2b4cc26d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:53:17 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re: Strange Signal Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi group,

I am currently transmitting on 137770+-0.05Hz DFCW, 60s on / 20s off, until about 0:30 UT.

73
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6804 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 22:43:17 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 22:43:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1267 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 22:42:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 22:42:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18W2QG-0006bT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 22:42:12 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18W2QG-0006bJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 22:42:12 +0000 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 22:42:05 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.120] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 952HagwQc0300M31; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 22:42:03 GMT Message-ID: <3E1B57AB.8020305@usa.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 23:41:47 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <154365002515.20030106211845@dx.ru> <3E1AE882.500@usa.net> <000901c2b667$9f7002c0$33c828c3@erica> <008001c2b673$ada71de0$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thomas Giella KN4LF wrote: >Can we get the Argo V1 build 132 software to balance my check book and fix >my XP O/S >when it crashes? > > > I'm working on that. When you won't hear anymore of me, and suddenly I disappear from the Internet community, then maybe you will be right in guessing that I succeeded in programming Argo to positively interact with my bank account. And when I say "positively", I mean it in the algebraic acception of the word..... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14586 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 22:41:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 22:41:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 15021 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 22:41:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 22:41:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18W2O9-0006a8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 22:40:01 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18W2O8-0006Zu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 22:40:01 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h07Mdsj02139 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:39:54 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:42:27 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <006301c2b677$6ba60100$94d1fc3e@l8p8y6> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_70_90,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_COLOR_NAME,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

If they write it, I’ll read it. If I don’t like it, I’ll hit the delete key.

 

Mike>WE0H

http://www.we0h.us/lf

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:57 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Argo

 

Has ARGO taken over the LF reflector, never seen so much trivial comment. Try some private email to the writer. Does it matter what format the date happens to be presented, plus other comments like well done, poor etc. Genuine comments like compatibility observations by some about the type of computer used are ignored.

G3KEV

 

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15740 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 21:35:38 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 21:35:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25927 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 21:35:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 21:35:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18W1MK-0006LV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:34:04 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18W1MJ-0006LM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:34:03 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030107213451.RDOI14361.host3@att.net>; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3E1B4811.66E1C9B0@att.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:35:13 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "lowfer" Subject: LF: 15db drop in HBG today, 2003-01-07-0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false There was a sudden 15 dB drop in the 75 kHz HBG signal received here in NC at just before 0600 UT. Looks like it was down for about half and hour then suddenly came back up to normal. The noise floor, which usually fluctuates with propagation changes, remained constant during this time. Transmitter maintenance maybe? Plot can be seen at: http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg07dec02.jpg Near real time plot can be seen at: http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg.jpg Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29290 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 20:57:48 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 20:57:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 26193 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 20:57:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 20:57:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18W0lZ-0006DA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:56:05 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18W0lY-0006D1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 20:56:04 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.108] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AEC4A8170062; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 14:55:32 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c2b68f$1e2dece0$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:55:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0tests=SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Can we get the Argo V1 build 132 software to balance my check book and fix my XP O/S when it crashes? Hope no one was offended by my dry sense of humor when I posted the above. Seeing that I'm still new to LF, all posts here have been very helpful to me. Not many are interested in LF yet on this side of the big pond but I think that will change when we get our 2200 meter allocation. 73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF EL87WX Plant City, FL, USA kn4lf@gbronline.com kn4lf@tampabay.rr.com KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.437 / Virus Database: 245 - Release Date: 1/6/03 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23952 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:51:38 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:51:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 27908 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:51:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:51:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vyo1-0005ui-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:50:29 +0000 Received: from [207.136.80.125] (helo=twiddle.look.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vyo1-0005uZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:50:29 +0000 Received: from bc-van-mut-a53-10-90.look.ca ([216.66.146.90]) by twiddle.look.ca with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Vynv-0001ZC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:50:24 -0500 X-Sender: eldridge@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bob Eldridge " Message-ID: Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:50:24 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: LF: Date format X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false >Isn't the most logical one YYYY/MM/dd ? >Does anyone use this format routinely ? >Andy G4JNT> This has been the international standard for at least 25 years, intended to avoid the confusion between the U.S. and the rest of the world. I adopted it for everything in the days of Comm 64, as the computer automatically sorted dates as if they were numbers, and hours and minutes could be added as well for logging. The Year 2K mess should have converted everyone! Bob VE7BS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14879 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:43:26 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:43:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13531 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 17:43:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 17:43:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VxkK-0005Pb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:42:36 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VxkK-0005PR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:42:36 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-067.fen-net.de [212.204.116.67]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id h07HdCVH007574 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:39:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000401c2b675$4db91800$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:50:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id h07HdCVH007574 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz JASON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hallo Laurie, see your signal with good strength, but due to local qrm bad reception. I think the signal would be good for QRSS or DFCW. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Laurie Mayhead An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 16:53 Betreff: LF: 73kHz JASON >Hi All, >Having sorted that one out, my apologies to all, I will have another go at >JASON on 71.8kHz USB over the twilight period here ,1630 to 1730 UTC. >Reports welcome. >73 Laurie. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21740 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:23:47 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:23:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4109 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:23:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:23:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VyN2-0005ma-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:22:36 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [62.108.119.250] (helo=ns.pyrotherm.co.yu) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VyMo-0005mK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:22:24 +0000 Received: from TB1200 ([62.108.119.73]) by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id h07JKE014511 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:20:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 19:21:18 +0100 From: "YU7AR" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <19806.030107@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: "Laurie Mayhead" In-reply-to: <000901c2b666$3740aca0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> References: <000901c2b666$3740aca0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz JASON Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050104010803030209000603" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050104010803030209000603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Laurie, Your signals is very good in KN05BW ,see the screen capture. 73 Teo 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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:06:06 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vy74-0005Zw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:06:06 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.148]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030107180604.VQTV5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:06:04 +0000 Message-ID: <006501c2b677$6d946380$94d1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <154365002515.20030106211845@dx.ru> <3E1AE882.500@usa.net> <000901c2b667$9f7002c0$33c828c3@erica> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:04:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3ldo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > > Hi Alberto > > > Boys, that screen is becoming fast crowded... but maybe that callsign > > could just automagically > > show only in the captured images, without cluttering the normal > viewing.... > > What Alberto has produces is an effective yet simple and easy to piece of > software. You don't have to know about technical things like 'FFTs, 'bins' > and 'sampling times' to set it up and use it. I have worked in software > development places where there always seems to be a "wouldn't it be nice if" > section who want to add things until the whole SW package becomes unwieldy > and difficult to use. > I propose that ARGO is left much as it is unless any new bugs are found or > some new way of processing the signals is found. Agree. It works perfectly well for what was intended. If you need more as I do sometimes use something else like Spectran or Speclab > For the more technical there is Spectran and SpectrumLab. > It is easy to add cSpectran and Speclab. allsigns to images using any package that handles .JPG > files. > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 461 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:07:26 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:07:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 19011 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:06:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:06:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vy71-0005Zf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:06:03 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vy71-0005ZW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:06:03 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.148]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030107180601.VQSU5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:06:01 +0000 Message-ID: <006301c2b677$6ba60100$94d1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:57:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Has ARGO taken over the LF reflector, never seen so much trivial comment. Try some private email to the writer. Does it matter what format the date happens to be presented, plus other comments like well done, poor etc. Genuine comments like compatibility observations by some about the type of computer used are ignored.
G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25967 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:06:06 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:06:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 19116 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 18:07:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 18:07:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vy73-0005Zs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:06:05 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vy72-0005Zj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:06:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.148]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030107180603.VQTG5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:06:03 +0000 Message-ID: <006401c2b677$6cb28f00$94d1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c2b650$e3949680$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:00:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz ARGO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: LF: 73kHz ARGO > Actually I don't know how to transmit ARGO ! > so many messages about it that my brain flipped. Exactly my observations, never seen so much gibberish. > I did in fact transmit JASON from 0830 until about 1015 this morning. 73s > Laurie. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30259 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 17:41:31 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 17:41:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 22372 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 17:41:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 17:41:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VxhT-0005OE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:39:39 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VxhS-0005O5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:39:38 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.244] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A0BACC0F0260; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:39:06 -0600 Message-ID: <008001c2b673$ada71de0$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella KN4LF" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <154365002515.20030106211845@dx.ru> <3E1AE882.500@usa.net> <000901c2b667$9f7002c0$33c828c3@erica> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 12:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Can we get the Argo V1 build 132 software to balance my check book and fix my XP O/S when it crashes? 73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF EL87WX Plant City, FL, USA kn4lf@gbronline.com kn4lf@tampabay.rr.com KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3ldo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > > Hi Alberto > > > Boys, that screen is becoming fast crowded... but maybe that callsign > > could just automagically > > show only in the captured images, without cluttering the normal > viewing.... > > What Alberto has produces is an effective yet simple and easy to piece of > software. You don't have to know about technical things like 'FFTs, 'bins' > and 'sampling times' to set it up and use it. I have worked in software > development places where there always seems to be a "wouldn't it be nice if" > section who want to add things until the whole SW package becomes unwieldy > and difficult to use. > I propose that ARGO is left much as it is unless any new bugs are found or > some new way of processing the signals is found. > For the more technical there is Spectran and SpectrumLab. > It is easy to add callsigns to images using any package that handles .JPG > files. > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 12/30/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4929 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 17:03:07 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 17:03:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 10945 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 17:04:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 17:04:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vx7v-0005DG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:02:55 +0000 Received: from [130.244.199.130] (helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vx7v-0005D7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:02:55 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.39.62]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20030107170253.XDHG20000.fep02-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:02:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c2b66e$cf7982a0$3e2765d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <3E19BF5D.3D63E21A@att.net> <002501c2b5ca$b31defa0$12c5e150@RSGB613192> <00b901c2b620$e8e18e20$bc33f7c2@a7j7r2> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:03:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Yes, we use the YMD format in Sweden, falling digit significance from left to right. We use this strange format for normal numbers too ;-) CU on 713 Hkz 73 Johan SM6LKM ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- Från: "John Rabson" Till: Skickat: den 7 januari 2003 08:39 Ämne: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > The Swedes? > John Rabson G3PAI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > > > > Isn't the most logical one YYYY/MM/dd ? > > Does anyone use this format routinely ? > > Andy G4JNT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dexter McIntyre > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:39 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > > > > > > > Looks great Alberto! > > > > > > >>Alberto di Bene wrote: > > > >> I used this format : MMM, dd, yyyy > > > > > > I thought sure you would be the logical dd,MMM,yy type :) > > > > > > W4DEX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29451 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 16:13:45 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 16:13:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 9371 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 16:14:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 16:14:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VwJF-00051g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:10:33 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VwJF-00051X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:10:33 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-201.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.201] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18VwJE-000E1g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:10:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2b667$9f7002c0$33c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <154365002515.20030106211845@dx.ru> <3E1AE882.500@usa.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 16:11:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Alberto > Boys, that screen is becoming fast crowded... but maybe that callsign > could just automagically > show only in the captured images, without cluttering the normal viewing.... What Alberto has produces is an effective yet simple and easy to piece of software. You don't have to know about technical things like 'FFTs, 'bins' and 'sampling times' to set it up and use it. I have worked in software development places where there always seems to be a "wouldn't it be nice if" section who want to add things until the whole SW package becomes unwieldy and difficult to use. I propose that ARGO is left much as it is unless any new bugs are found or some new way of processing the signals is found. For the more technical there is Spectran and SpectrumLab. It is easy to add callsigns to images using any package that handles .JPG files. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32613 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 15:53:29 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:53:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9548 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 15:54:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:54:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vw2b-0004vV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:53:21 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vw2a-0004vM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:53:20 +0000 Received: from modem-64.michigan.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.73.64] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Vw2Z-0002AA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:53:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2b666$3740aca0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:59:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz JASON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi All, Having sorted that one out, my apologies to all, I will have another go at JASON on 71.8kHz USB over the twilight period here ,1630 to 1730 UTC. Reports welcome. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29982 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 15:03:47 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:03:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 11362 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 15:03:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:03:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VvEd-0004ej-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:01:43 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VvEc-0004ea-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:01:42 +0000 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:01:39 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.176] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 359HagPBK0198M31; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:01:37 GMT Message-ID: <3E1AE882.500@usa.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:47:30 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <154365002515.20030106211845@dx.ru> Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Ed Lesnichy wrote: >Can then and callsign that who accepts it? >or callsing + QTH-loc? hi! .... > >Callsign to establish in Setup. Conveniently for captured down >files... Who accepted it at once is seen in the files, sent by others.. > > > Ed, not sure I fully understand your request. Do you mean that you would like to have the callsign of the station that is running Argo displayed somewhere on the screen ? Boys, that screen is becoming fast crowded... but maybe that callsign could just automagically show only in the captured images, without cluttering the normal viewing.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13271 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 15:03:28 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:03:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 27537 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 15:03:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:03:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VvEj-0004ew-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:01:49 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VvEi-0004en-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:01:48 +0000 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 15:01:46 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.176] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 667HagPBQ0261M28; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:01:43 GMT Message-ID: <3E1AEB5A.7020909@usa.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 15:59:38 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> <000401c2b517$3dc6a8e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <3E196AE8.3060104@usa.net> <000701c2b62b$c586f400$0504210a@c.scope> Subject: Re: LF: Argo 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hugh M0WYE wrote: >I like the date too. (which comes out as day, month, year ... even though >"MMM,DD,YY" appears on the screen moments before the real date appears) > > That's a just a place holder, which is briefly shown when the program starts, before it has the first chance to update that field. >I hope you get some time to operate radio in between the software writing ! > > Yes, almost every evening I partecipate in a local round table on 2m, mainly dealing with technical topics and projects. The hot subject of the moment is a precision LC meter I am building around an Atmel AVR AT90S4433 microcontroller, inspired to the AADE unit, but with some improvements. If/when it will be ready, I will publish it on my site. The software will be free, of course. And when there are announced transmissions on LF, I try to receive something, sometimes with success. At present I am lacking a decent LF antenna. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3446 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 13:23:37 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 13:23:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13883 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 13:23:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 13:23:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vteq-0004ME-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:20:40 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.174] (helo=cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vteq-0004M5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:20:40 +0000 Received: from modem-8.michigan.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.73.8] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Vtep-0002Qb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 13:20:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2b650$e3949680$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:29:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz ARGO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Actually I don't know how to transmit ARGO ! so many messages about it that my brain flipped. I did in fact transmit JASON from 0830 until about 1015 this morning. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18666 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 09:08:36 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 09:08:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 9851 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 09:09:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 09:09:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vpih-0003ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 09:08:23 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.221] (helo=netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vpig-0003ah-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 09:08:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 17195 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 09:07:52 -0000 Received: from ctuash.sonnetinternet.co.uk (HELO hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 09:07:52 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c2b62b$c586f400$0504210a@c.scope> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> <000401c2b517$3dc6a8e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <3E196AE8.3060104@usa.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 09:04:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Argo 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Alberto, The explorer style dialogue works well. Thankyou for fixing it so quickly. I like the date too. (which comes out as day, month, year ... even though "MMM,DD,YY" appears on the screen moments before the real date appears) I hope you get some time to operate radio in between the software writing ! 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31078 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 08:52:52 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 08:52:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28010 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 07:52:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 07:52:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VoT6-0003Ji-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:48:12 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk ident=mail) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VoT6-0003JZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:48:12 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18VoT5-0001tx-00 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 07:48:11 +0000 Received: from a7j7r2 (bts-0956.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.188]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id h077mAh25331 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 07:48:10 GMT Message-ID: <00b901c2b620$e8e18e20$bc33f7c2@a7j7r2> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <3E19BF5D.3D63E21A@att.net> <002501c2b5ca$b31defa0$12c5e150@RSGB613192> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 07:39:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false The Swedes? John Rabson G3PAI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > Isn't the most logical one YYYY/MM/dd ? > Does anyone use this format routinely ? > Andy G4JNT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dexter McIntyre > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > > > > Looks great Alberto! > > > > >>Alberto di Bene wrote: > > >> I used this format : MMM, dd, yyyy > > > > I thought sure you would be the logical dd,MMM,yy type :) > > > > W4DEX > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21910 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 08:18:15 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 08:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9041 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 08:18:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 08:18:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vov4-0003Po-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:17:06 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.47] (helo=mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vov4-0003Pf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 08:17:06 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030107081705.MKGM5233.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:17:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2b625$55f28ec0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2b5e1$3a1ad020$3e1686d4@erica> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 08:18:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Strange Signal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > A continious carrier on 137.7708kHz, with an occasional burs of modulation, > has been on most of the evening. Anyone know what it is? Quite strong - S7 > on the meter. > Peter, G3LDO I was on that frequency from 1755 to 1914 sending 'XDV' in QRSS120. The dashes and dots were made from 30s elements which is the longest my memory keyer will produce. This produces slight 'blips' on the signal. Anything after 1914 was not me. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24089 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 03:29:38 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 03:29:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 4197 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 03:29:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 03:29:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VkQ0-0002WJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:28:44 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VkPz-0002W8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:28:44 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h073Saj04616 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:28:37 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:31:02 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3E19A089.6030806@usa.net> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thank you. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:28 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report g6tmk wrote: >Hi Alberto, >What about having a "browse" button next to the "file prefix" box on the >capture setup dialogue, which brings up an Explorer style thing to select or >add the right directory (sorry ... folder). ? > > > Hi Hugh, already done.... i have just finished modifying and compiling build 132 of Argo, which now behaves just as you say. You cannot anymore modify the prefix name directly in the edit box, but you have to choose it in an explorer-like tree, where you can also create a new directory, if you so need. I am just now modifying the home page, but if you are impatient, you can already download it from this URL : http://www.weaksignals.com/bin/argopak1_132.exe 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21697 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 03:28:14 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 03:28:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 19606 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 03:27:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 03:27:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VkNb-0002UZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:26:15 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VkNb-0002UQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 03:26:15 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h073Q7j04472 for ; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:26:07 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:28:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <002501c2b582$68dd3a60$0504210a@c.scope> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false That would be a very nice feature. Can we have it Alberto??? Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g6tmk Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:52 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Hi Alberto, What about having a "browse" button next to the "file prefix" box on the capture setup dialogue, which brings up an Explorer style thing to select or add the right directory (sorry ... folder). ? I guess all the code to do these interfaces must be in Windows somewhere - after all that's the point of using such a gigantic operating system ... I bet it's not that simple ! 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7498 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 02:57:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 02:57:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 24535 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 21:34:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 21:34:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Veob-00013t-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:29:45 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Veoa-00013k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:29:44 +0000 Received: from [80.225.197.18] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18VecF-00008R-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:16:59 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c2b5ca$b31defa0$12c5e150@RSGB613192> From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <3E19BF5D.3D63E21A@att.net> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:29:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Isn't the most logical one YYYY/MM/dd ? Does anyone use this format routinely ? Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: Dexter McIntyre To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 > Looks great Alberto! > > >>Alberto di Bene wrote: > >> I used this format : MMM, dd, yyyy > > I thought sure you would be the logical dd,MMM,yy type :) > > W4DEX > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30781 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 01:46:38 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 01:46:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8102 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 22:01:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 22:01:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VfIo-0001FS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 22:00:58 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.111] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VfIo-0001FD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 22:00:58 +0000 Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.136) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 22:00:56 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.165.227] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 236HaFwa20473M36; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 22:00:53 GMT Message-ID: <3E19FC85.7000803@usa.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 23:00:37 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> <3E19BF5D.3D63E21A@att.net> <002501c2b5ca$b31defa0$12c5e150@RSGB613192> Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Andy Talbot wrote: >Isn't the most logical one YYYY/MM/dd ? >Does anyone use this format routinely ? >Andy G4JNT > > > That's why I made the format customizable by simply modifying the Regional Settings in the Control Panel. You can choose whatever format most pleases you. Mine was just an example, not a must. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9120 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 00:11:06 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 00:11:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 25159 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2003 00:10:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2003 00:10:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VhIo-0001g8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 00:09:06 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VhIn-0001fz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 00:09:05 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-62.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.62] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18VhIJ-0002nT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 00:08:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2b5e1$3a1ad020$3e1686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 23:52:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Strange Signal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010404010808010505020901" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010404010808010505020901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A continious carrier on 137.7708kHz, with an occasional burs of modulation, has been on most of the evening. Anyone know what it is? Quite strong - S7 on the meter. 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21:17:16 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VecV-0000y3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:17:16 +0000 Received: from modem-120.dunharrow.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.160.248] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18VecQ-0003of-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 21:17:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2b5ca$49dc70c0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:23:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz ARGO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Should anyone be interested I am transmitting ARGO tonight on 71.8kHz ,until 2200 utc. I will be on again in the morning from 0830 utc for about one hour. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2191 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 19:20:06 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 19:20:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17515 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 18:19:58 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 18:19:58 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2737 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jan 2003 18:19:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 18:19:53 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Vbpk-0000Js-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:18:44 +0000 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Vbpj-0000Jj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:18:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 96543 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 21:18:40 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 21:18:40 +0300 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:18:45 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <154365002515.20030106211845@dx.ru> To: "Alberto di Bene" In-reply-to: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alberto, Monday, January 6, 2003, you wrote: AdB> There are just a couple of mods : AdB> - On the main panel now also the date is shown, in addition to the time Can then and callsign that who accepts it? or callsing + QTH-loc? hi! .... Callsign to establish in Setup. Conveniently for captured down files... Who accepted it at once is seen in the files, sent by others.. TNXs for the excellent program ! 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23362 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 17:40:25 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 17:40:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 20194 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 17:39:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 17:39:58 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VbCx-0000AB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:38:39 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VbCx-0000A1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:38:39 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20030106173950.EASL334.host4@att.net>; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:39:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3E19BF5D.3D63E21A@att.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:39:41 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre" Organization: JDM Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@mailman.qth.net References: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> Subject: Re: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Looks great Alberto! >>Alberto di Bene wrote: >> I used this format : MMM, dd, yyyy I thought sure you would be the logical dd,MMM,yy type :) W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22459 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 16:06:52 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 16:06:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 1690 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 16:06:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 16:06:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VZkw-000899-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:05:38 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VZkw-000890-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:05:38 +0000 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 16:05:28 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.177.162] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 511HaFqFy0446M28; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:05:25 GMT Message-ID: <3E19A930.8010706@usa.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:05:04 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" , lowfer@mailman.qth.net, "lf" Subject: LF: Argo V1 build 132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I have just uploaded Argo V1 build 132 to the weaksignals site. There are just a couple of mods : - On the main panel now also the date is shown, in addition to the time - An error has been corrected, where strange things happened if you specified an inexistent path for the capture file. This dialog has been rewritten. Just one note : the date format used is what is set on your PC, in the Regional Settings panel. Open the Windows Control Panel, then select Regional Settings, then the tab Date (should be the last one). Here set the Short Date Style as you please. I used this format : MMM dd, yyyy (cut and paste that directly into the edit field). If you choose a too long format, then the date display could corrupt the peak display on the panel of Argo. URL for downloading : http://www.weaksignals.com Enjoy and report any errors, thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28960 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 15:30:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 15:30:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 4108 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 15:29:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 15:29:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VZAs-0007wR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:28:22 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VZAp-0007wI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:28:19 +0000 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 15:28:17 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.176.93] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 435HaFPCN0213M30; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:28:14 GMT Message-ID: <3E19A089.6030806@usa.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:28:09 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> <000401c2b517$3dc6a8e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <3E196AE8.3060104@usa.net> <002501c2b582$68dd3a60$0504210a@c.scope> Subject: LF: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false g6tmk wrote: >Hi Alberto, >What about having a "browse" button next to the "file prefix" box on the >capture setup dialogue, which brings up an Explorer style thing to select or >add the right directory (sorry ... folder). ? > > > Hi Hugh, already done.... i have just finished modifying and compiling build 132 of Argo, which now behaves just as you say. You cannot anymore modify the prefix name directly in the edit box, but you have to choose it in an explorer-like tree, where you can also create a new directory, if you so need. I am just now modifying the home page, but if you are impatient, you can already download it from this URL : http://www.weaksignals.com/bin/argopak1_132.exe 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13544 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 12:59:44 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 12:59:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 2449 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 12:59:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 12:59:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VWpW-0007Mb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:58:10 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.223] (helo=marstons.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VWpV-0007MS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:58:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 13394 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Jan 2003 12:55:30 -0000 Received: from ctuash.sonnetinternet.co.uk (HELO hugh) (212.159.90.113) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 12:55:30 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c2b582$68dd3a60$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> <000401c2b517$3dc6a8e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <3E196AE8.3060104@usa.net> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:51:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Alberto, What about having a "browse" button next to the "file prefix" box on the capture setup dialogue, which brings up an Explorer style thing to select or add the right directory (sorry ... folder). ? I guess all the code to do these interfaces must be in Windows somewhere - after all that's the point of using such a gigantic operating system ... I bet it's not that simple ! 73 Hugh M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23497 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 11:41:22 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 11:41:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 26052 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 11:41:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 11:41:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VVb1-000757-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:39:07 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.111] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VVb0-00074y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:39:07 +0000 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 11:39:04 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.158] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 131HaFLI10430M38; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:34:52 GMT Message-ID: <3E196AE8.3060104@usa.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 12:39:20 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> <000401c2b517$3dc6a8e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false John Andrews wrote: >>OK, due to the gentle but firm way my arm has been bent, I will >>spontaneously honor >>this request :-) >> >> > >It hopefully won't be too difficult to type with your arm in that condition. > >Tnx. > > Oh, when I was an ape, in a previous life, I learnt how to type with the feet.... I will use the remaining arm to hold a cup of strong Italian coffe, it helps to not fall asleep between two C++ rows.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25817 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 10:27:25 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 10:27:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18714 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 10:27:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 10:27:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VUSk-0006pq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:26:30 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VUSk-0006ph-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:26:30 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:25:55 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:25:56 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:25:57 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:25:56 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:25:56 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF369032@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Loops again Thread-Index: AcKqvVSHFNvwmRzOQFG9IshGWthZawKrzoHw From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2003 10:25:56.0833 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFD9ED10:01C2B56D] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Measuring antenna performance, was "Re: LF: Loops again" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Happy New Year. What is important for those receiving aerials is the actual S/N in the receiver. One aerial may have higher signal, but also higher noise. So the actual performance may not have been improved at all. Once did some comparisons between different aerials at P.O. Laboratories at Bearley, near Stratford on Avon, but I couldn't verify that the log.meter worked as it should. So I've had some interest to build a better equipment later. One possibility is to use two SPM-3 (Pegelmesser's) - one set for 138.8 kHz, and the other for reference on quiet spot of the band. The other is to measure S/N directly from the signal output from SPM-3 or D2006. Does somebody know some circuits I could build for reasonable accuracy? 73, Jan-Martin N4623-Kristiansand (tel.: +47-380-87178 Home)(38052660 Work 90777126 Mobile) http://www.laud.no/la6nca/LA8AK/ -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: James Moritz [mailto:j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk] Sendt: 23. desember 2002 20:49 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: Re: LF: Loops again At 16:55 23/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has >anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how >long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there >is the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference >between a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter. How much signal power a loop can deliver to the receiver depends on 2 factors - the area, and the Q (or losses). How much you need depends on the overall system design; how good or bad the RX is, whether you want to trade off sensitivity against bandwidth, have a wide tuning range, etc., so yes, it is a "how long is a piece of string" question. But as a rough guide, a 1m^2 tuned loop with a sensibly designed preamp, or with good matching to a low noise receiver will give a noise floor well below the band noise. The signal to noise ratio of the loop is good, but the absolute signal level is much smaller than with a vertical, so the performance of the receiver is much more important. If you double the size to 4m^2, the design becomes a lot less critical because you are picking up 12dB more signal to start with. With very large loops, almost anything will deliver more than adequate signal levels, but then you lose the advantages of a small loop - being able to rotate it for optimum peaking or nulling, and being able to move it to find a location with low noise levels. >Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several turns >in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop. It is largely a matter of convenience of design - Several alternatives have been mentioned; they all work if done properly. >I have a lot of information about all of these loops little and large but >never used a very small loop and might try but there is a lot of >conflicting info about the various configurations and I do not want to re >invent the wheel so if someone has had good practical results it would be >useful. Maybe it would be a good idea not to keep saying how they are all rubbish before you have actually tried them... >I have been watching QRS activity lately while in the shack doing other >things and notice a lot of CQ'S from various amateurs around the UK and >Europe and sometimes all going at once, the screen is getting cluttered, >but only a few result in QSO'S so it would appear obvious to me that the >majority are not seeing each other, and that would indicate poor receiving >capabilities. ...Or that they worked each other a couple of days ago. >I appear to be receiving all of the activity but my 90 meter perimiter >loop is reasonably large and is doing well on receive but not as good as >my vertical, however I would like to try a very small loop and compare >results, but I dont want to build several small loops varying in design, >if someone has already done this and knows which ones to forget about. >I know location is also important, good ground, reasonable and poor ground >etc under the loop and some use loops to null out qrm but I am not >concerned about qrm, this location is rural and as qrm free as one can >get, this is why my vertical is also good on receive. >Please dont tell me to read the Comic, I need todays technology. >73 de Mal/G3KEV > If you have no QRM, and adequate sensitivity already, you can't expect to gain much from other types of antennas. Perhaps you need to install more of today's technology - light dimmers, home entertainment systems, compact florescent bulbs, computers etc. etc. so you can really put things to the test! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11541 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 10:14:26 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 10:14:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 28879 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 10:14:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 10:14:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VUCT-0006kJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:09:41 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VUCT-0006k9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 10:09:41 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:09:08 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:09:09 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:09:10 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:09:08 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF369031@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Re: LF Handbook Thread-Index: AcKq7KcVasEFRxc7TW6ObfT34xZwCAKfsJMQ From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2003 10:09:08.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6A64D80:01C2B56B] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Interesting to know, but I bought mine around 2000-2001, so I am surprised that I didn't get the latest version. hi. Not sure whether I bought it from RSGB or DARC 73 Jan-Martin, LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: g3ldo [mailto:g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk] Sendt: 24. desember 2002 02:30 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: LF: Re: LF Handbook > I think what Jan-Martin has is the old LF Experimenters Sourcebook which is > a comb bound compilation with a blue cover, of copies of articles published > before 1995. In fact I think there were two editions of the "Sourcebook". > The book Dick is refering to is a later glossy bound printed book (pub 2001) > which is much more up to date with current projects., including Dave's Amp. > LF is moving so fast that we will be needing an update of that book soon !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK Yes, Alan is right. The original LF Experimenters Sourcebook was produced in 1996 in response to a requirement for information for the then new 73kHz allocation in the UK. Information for this book came from such sources as 'LF Scene' (by ZL1CA & ZL2BBJ), a column from the New Zealand ham radio mag 'Break In' and 'The Lowdown', the magazine of the Longwave Club of America; these guys were the only ones with experiance in LF at the time. It was produced comb bound with a blue cover. A second edition was produced in 1998. By this time we had some experiance of our own to include and we also had the new 136kHz band. This publication also was produced comb bound with a blue cover. These publications were produced rather hurredly to meet a need and the pages were photocopies of paste-ups. A higher quality publication was required and this was met with 'The Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook', which was published in 2000. I have included an Addendum and Erratta to this book on my website, shown below. Work on this site is a bit behind shedule but it will be updated very shortly. I have a mass of stuff that has been edited from hundreds of e-mails on the LF reflector and this also will be included. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13443 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 00:06:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 00:06:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12725 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 00:05:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 00:05:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VKlZ-0005Qp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 00:05:17 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VKlZ-0005Q9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 00:05:17 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 27337778 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:04:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c2b517$3dc6a8e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 00:04:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > OK, due to the gentle but firm way my arm has been bent, I will > spontaneously honor > this request :-) It hopefully won't be too difficult to type with your arm in that condition. Tnx. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5302 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 00:02:30 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 00:02:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 29468 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2003 00:02:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2003 00:02:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VKhb-0005Mz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 00:01:11 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VKha-0005Mq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jan 2003 00:01:11 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h06015j12571 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:01:05 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:03:15 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false All right, you're the man Alberto. Thank you. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:46 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report > While you're playing with the code, how about adding the date next to the > time? > What a good idea. > > 73 >Most definitely. It is hard to tell what day the captures are from without a >date. Please add it if it isn't too awful of a job. > > OK, due to the gentle but firm way my arm has been bent, I will spontaneously honor this request :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30672 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 23:48:58 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 23:48:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17190 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 23:48:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 23:48:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VKTF-0005Id-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 23:46:21 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VKTE-0005IU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 23:46:20 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 23:46:17 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.171.242] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 536HaeXUo0368M29; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 23:46:15 GMT Message-ID: <3E18C3D3.1030808@usa.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 00:46:27 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > While you're playing with the code, how about adding the date next to the > time? > What a good idea. > > 73 >Most definitely. It is hard to tell what day the captures are from without a >date. Please add it if it isn't too awful of a job. > > OK, due to the gentle but firm way my arm has been bent, I will spontaneously honor this request :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20628 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 22:26:00 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 22:26:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 13467 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 22:25:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 22:25:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VJCg-00055q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:25:10 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [64.136.24.74] (helo=m11.bos.untd.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VJCg-00055f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:25:10 +0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewGNhN6rd5fEb97GuQK/ysqnhajvn33tZxA=="> Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HMSV6MHX; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 17:24:11 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: <20030105.172330.-712655.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-38 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "BOB RIESE" Subject: Re: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false But be aware that the generated JPG file will show the date/time under Windoz Explorer when it is created. Use this as a patch until the next update Bob K3DJC On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:03:52 -0600 "WE0H" writes: >Most definitely. It is hard to tell what day the captures are from >without a >date. Please add it if it isn't too awful of a job. >Thanks, >Mike>WE0H > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews >Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:55 AM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report > >Alberto, > >> Expect soon build 132. > >While you're playing with the code, how about adding the date next to >the >time? > >John Andrews > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14294 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 22:18:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 22:18:51 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 17434 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 22:18:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 22:18:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VJ5M-00052Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:17:36 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [138.32.33.140] (helo=mailman2.ppco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VJ5L-00052H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:17:35 +0000 Received: from bvlw2k132.ppco.com (trend2.ppco.com [138.32.31.132]) by mailman2.ppco.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h05MHXRl006691 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:17:34 -0600 Received: from 138.32.31.56 by bvlw2k132.ppco.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:17:32 -0600 Received: from bvlnotes07.ppco.com (bvlnotes07.ppco.com [138.32.54.38]) by mail1.ppco.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22250 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 16:17:31 -0600 (CST) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: "Laurence J Howell" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:17:28 -0900 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on BVLNOTES07/CIT/Phillips Petroleum/us(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 01/05/2003 04:17:31 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUBJ_MISSINGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false >From : Laurence KL1X, BP 41 XD, 10 Kms W Anchorage.(was AL1V till yesterday) Using a number of sources including the German data txm on 138.8XKhz, conditions to EU long haul continue to be depressed and estimated max 40+ dB down on signals at the same time of day, pre the recent disturbance of elevated K/Au etc. The data signal at times peaked S9+25 on a quiet background, save Loran spurs; its averaging S5 at the moment. Even with the present poor conditions I can still hear some Eu LF broadcast stations +24 hours including the very strong Norwegian signal on 153Khz All paths to Europe (and Africa)from here run into/across/within the Auroral Oval, both sides, and dependant on them nasty Protons and other factors, LF signals are depressed as much as HF is. Its going to be a challenge! The receiver sits most of the time centered on 137.770 plus or minus 1.5Hz using QRSS60. Im capturing most of the day and night. Regards Laurence (Flo) Please note the new email address L.HOWELL@CONOCOPHILLIPS.COM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17332 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 19:19:59 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 19:19:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 26494 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 19:19:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 19:19:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VGEt-0004dP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:15:15 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VGEt-0004dE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:15:15 +0000 Received: from [213.40.205.238] (helo=tcs1) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18VGEL-0002LY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:14:41 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 19:15:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000c01c2b4d2$c9fb0bc0$0200a8c0@charter.net> Subject: RE: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false What a good idea. 73 Gary G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 05 January 2003 15:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Alberto, > Expect soon build 132. While you're playing with the code, how about adding the date next to the time? John Andrews --- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8901 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 17:02:39 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 17:02:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 26959 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 16:02:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 16:02:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VDDk-0004C2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:01:52 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VDDj-0004Bt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:01:52 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h05G1mj20448 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:01:48 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:03:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <000c01c2b4d2$c9fb0bc0$0200a8c0@charter.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Most definitely. It is hard to tell what day the captures are from without a date. Please add it if it isn't too awful of a job. Thanks, Mike>WE0H Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:55 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Alberto, > Expect soon build 132. While you're playing with the code, how about adding the date next to the time? John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21155 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 16:56:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 11458 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 12:17:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 12:15:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18V9g4-0003dk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:14:52 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18V9g1-0003db-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:14:49 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([193.153.202.177]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H88Q0O00.VG3 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:14:48 +0100 Message-ID: <003301c2b4b4$0195c260$8eca99c1@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:12:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signal report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Group:
 
Splendid "O" signal from DF0WD calling at 11.37 UTC,
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16236 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 16:20:57 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 16:20:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 15412 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 16:20:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 16:20:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VDVX-0004G9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:20:15 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp1.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VDVW-0004G0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 16:20:14 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.249.237]) by tnetsmtp1.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H891DM01.7DR for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:20:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c2b4d6$45e60a20$edf963d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:16:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: EA1PX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Gary and Group: Thanks a lot for your report. I hope to contact you soon on LF. 73 de José, EA1PX > Saw your CQ calls on Sunday morning at 0947, 0957, 1026 all at M sigs & at > 1118 at T sigs, did not see any resulting QSO from the calls. My location > north west UK, Loc IO83QP. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25715 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 15:53:23 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 15:53:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 17651 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 15:53:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 15:53:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VD4b-00047Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:52:25 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.12] (helo=dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VD4a-00047H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:52:24 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 26770199 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 10:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c2b4d2$c9fb0bc0$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001701c2aaf0$3bbe5ec0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> <3E08A972.5040905@usa.net> <000401c2b49f$3d4f4480$bec4e150@hughspc> <3E1842D0.3070808@usa.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:54:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alberto, > Expect soon build 132. While you're playing with the code, how about adding the date next to the time? John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3815 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 15:40:47 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 15:40:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 5279 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 15:40:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 15:40:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18VCrd-00042f-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:39:01 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18VCrc-00042W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:39:00 +0000 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 15:38:58 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.181.169] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 456HaePM40080M31; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:38:55 GMT Message-ID: <3E1842D0.3070808@usa.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:36:00 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001701c2aaf0$3bbe5ec0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> <3E08A972.5040905@usa.net> <000401c2b49f$3d4f4480$bec4e150@hughspc> Subject: Re: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hugh wrote: >Hi Alberto et al, >Forgive me if this has already been reported. >On the capture menu, if you enter setup, and enter a file prefix, which >includes a path which is not valid, then the program accepts it ... until >you click "capture now" and then it says it can't create the file. >After that it removes "Capture" from the menu at the top and won't let you >correct the mistake ! You have to restart the program. >[...] > > Hi Hugh and Jay, bug reproduced and confirmed. Sorry, my mistake. Expect soon build 132. Thanks for reporting. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9692 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 12:08:54 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 12:08:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 15633 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 12:08:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 12:08:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18V9ZN-0003aF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:07:57 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18V9ZM-0003a6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:07:56 +0000 Received: from [213.40.204.189] (helo=tcs1) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18V9Yp-00074Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 12:07:24 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:08:22 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: EA1PX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060903020204060303020301" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060903020204060303020301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jose & LF, Saw your CQ calls on Sunday morning at 0947, 0957, 1026 all at M sigs & at 1118 at T sigs, did not see any resulting QSO from the calls. My location north west UK, Loc IO83QP. Screen capture showing your CQ call approx 0957. Was not able to monitor from 1030 to 1112 due to a sked on 40 Mtrs & rig in use there. 73 Gary G4WGT. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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5 Jan 2003 11:22:51 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 11:22:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 29445 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 11:23:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 11:23:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18V8r6-0003QE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:22:12 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [204.60.203.69] (helo=mta3.snet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18V8r5-0003Q5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:22:11 +0000 Received: from snet.net (hrfr-sh25.port110.snet.net [204.60.241.110] (may be forged)) by mta3.snet.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/SNET-smtp-1.2/D-1.1.1.1/O-1.1.1.1) with ESMTP id h05BGfoG013094 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 06:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E18156C.3A612B12@snet.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:22:20 -0500 From: "Jay Rusgrove" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001701c2aaf0$3bbe5ec0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> <3E08A972.5040905@usa.net> <000401c2b49f$3d4f4480$bec4e150@hughspc> Subject: Re: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=MAY_BE_FORGED,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hugh & Alberto Ditto - noticed the same thing on my system. Jay Rusgrove, W1VD Hugh wrote: > Hi Alberto et al, > Forgive me if this has already been reported. > On the capture menu, if you enter setup, and enter a file prefix, which > includes a path which is not valid, then the program accepts it ... until > you click "capture now" and then it says it can't create the file. > After that it removes "Capture" from the menu at the top and won't let you > correct the mistake ! You have to restart the program. > > I'm using build 131 on a Win 98SE machine. (Pentium III, 700MHz, > Soundblaster 1024) > > Nice QRSS signals received from G3LDO and G3XDV this morning, about 09:30. > So it doesn't stop me using some very excellent software. > Thanks Alberto. > > 73 > Hugh M0WYE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alberto di Bene > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Spectran DSP Audio Problem > > > Thomas Giella, KN4LF wrote: > > > > >I'm experiencing the same problem as others have mentioned. The DSP > filters > > >in Spectran > > >do not alter the audio. > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas, > > what you hear with most probability is the audio going directly from > > the line input > > to the speakers. See the very good explanation given by Jim Moritz on > > this subject, > > and his suggestions on how to proceed. > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11982 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 09:52:13 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 09:52:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 24926 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 09:52:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 09:52:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18V7MR-0003Dl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 09:46:27 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18V7MR-0003Dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 09:46:27 +0000 Received: from [80.225.196.190] (helo=hughspc) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18V7AF-0001dn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2003 09:33:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2b49f$3d4f4480$bec4e150@hughspc> From: "Hugh" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001701c2aaf0$3bbe5ec0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> <3E08A972.5040905@usa.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:39:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Argo 1.31 bug report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Alberto et al, Forgive me if this has already been reported. On the capture menu, if you enter setup, and enter a file prefix, which includes a path which is not valid, then the program accepts it ... until you click "capture now" and then it says it can't create the file. After that it removes "Capture" from the menu at the top and won't let you correct the mistake ! You have to restart the program. I'm using build 131 on a Win 98SE machine. (Pentium III, 700MHz, Soundblaster 1024) Nice QRSS signals received from G3LDO and G3XDV this morning, about 09:30. So it doesn't stop me using some very excellent software. Thanks Alberto. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: Spectran DSP Audio Problem > Thomas Giella, KN4LF wrote: > > >I'm experiencing the same problem as others have mentioned. The DSP filters > >in Spectran > >do not alter the audio. > > > > > > > Thomas, > what you hear with most probability is the audio going directly from > the line input > to the speakers. See the very good explanation given by Jim Moritz on > this subject, > and his suggestions on how to proceed. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4167 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2003 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Jan 2003 00:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13550 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 23:41:30 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 23:41:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 3033 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Jan 2003 23:35:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 23:35:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UxoJ-0000jb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:34:35 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UxoJ-0000jS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:34:35 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-202.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.202] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18UxoH-000HkE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:34:34 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c2b44a$1c8a4b00$f2c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12e.1f461126.2b482e6e@aol.com> <001e01c2b40c$335968e0$045bfea9@RSGB613192> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 23:35:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Distance calculator (off topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Andy G4JNT said: >I have a suite of programmes that calculate distance bearing, as well as a height database of the UK for plotting terrain maps and microwave paths, plus a database of most of the decent highspot. /P locations in the UK and a few other worldwide plotting utilities The progs operate together so it isn't possible to supply just the one that converts NGR/Latlong/UTM and calculates distance and bearings. The whole suite is 1.4Meg zipped up and I'll send you a copy direct, and to anyone else wanting it. ------------------------------------------------------------- I have been using Andy's Distance Calculator and Slow Morse program for some years now. It is installed on a cheap laptop dedicated to LF and radio calculation DOS programs - and they work fine. Why should a distance calculator be 'off topic'? I only started using it when I got into LF. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31537 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 22:53:59 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 22:53:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 3405 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 22:53:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 22:53:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Ux9s-0000cH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:52:48 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [167.142.228.65] (helo=cgpf1.cgp.netins.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Ux9s-0000c8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:52:48 +0000 Received: from [167.142.32.126] (HELO netins.net) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 234628057; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 16:52:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3E1765BE.8060708@netins.net> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 16:52:46 -0600 From: "Dr. Tom Gruis", "=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIVEY=?=" Organization: www.gruis.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030104180813.00a0e1a0@mail.pncl.co.uk> Subject: Re: LF: Distance calculator (off topic) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.9 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi from Iowa, USA!

    Please shhot me an E-copy of your distance calculating program!

Many thanx & 73,

Doc.

Walter Blanchard wrote:
At 07:32 04/01/03 G0MRF wrote:

Hello Group.    Happy New Year.

Does anyone know of, or have, any windows software that can calculate distances based on the UK National Grid Reference system?  (e.g.  TQ147951 )

I have one for the Maidenhead system (if anyone would like it just ask) but not for calculating distance between two NGR's.

Many Thanks

73

David


I wrote a little program 15 yrs ago to do this, available free to anyone who wants it.
Also converts  NGR to/from lat/lon at about the 10m level.
Will not pass this reflector as an attachment. Sent one to David direct.

NGR distances are easy to do in a spreadsheet . Unlike  Maidenhead and Lat/Lon 
NG is a true rectilinear grid so if you know how to translate NGR's
given as e.g. TQ 169483  into actual Eastings and Northings in terms of metres
all you have to do is a root sum of squares equation.  Done this way
distances will be correct but bearings will be in terms of Grid North - about
2 degs different  from True North in Central England. My program corrects for this
and gives bearings as degs True.

If you really want to go to town get onto Ordnance Survey's  GPS website -
www.gps.gov.uk , get a password and log in and you can get, free, a
massive 10 Mb program that converts everything to everything at millimetre
accuracy (GridInquest). Or it lets you do conversions on-line.

Walter G3JKV.
 

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13631 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 20:28:35 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 20:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 16167 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 20:28:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 20:28:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Uupn-0000KN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 20:23:55 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Uupm-0000KE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 20:23:54 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.152] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A2A3DC1F0274; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:22:59 -0600 Message-ID: <000701c2b42f$1c984900$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella KN4LF" To: "a Greyline Prop E-List" , "a RSGB LF E-List" , "a PSC E-List" , "a HCDX Prop Channel" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:23:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: KN4LF 7 Day Medium Frequency Radio Propagation Outlook #2003-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=6.0tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,LINES_OF_YELLING_3, SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false KN4LF 7 Day Medium Frequency Radio Propagation Outlook #2003-02 Published 11:00 PM EST 03/01/03 For 03/01/04-03/01/10. PROPAGATION OUTLOOK- Expect fair to good domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and poor to fair on north south paths in the northern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. Expect fair domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and poor on north south paths in the southern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. "High latitude" northern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be poor to fair. "High latitude" southern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be poor. "Mid latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair to good. "Mid latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. "Low latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be good. "Low latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. QRN OUTLOOK- During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the northern hemisphere due to proximity of the Inter Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ). Northern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to occasionally high" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. Northern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "low to occasionally moderate" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the southern hemisphere tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to high" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "moderate" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Here are some general guidelines concerning correlation of space weather and propagation indices to actual expected HF/MF propagation conditions. 1.) Dropping indices numbers are better. 2.) Solar flux under 150 okay, under 100 better, 70 is best for E layer multi hop. 2a.) For high frequencies (HF) solar flux of 100 is okay, 150 better, above 200 best. 3.) Solar flux of at least 100 for E valley-F layer ducting mechanism. 4.) Previous 24 hour Ap index under 10, under 7 for several days consecutively is best. 5.) Previous 3 hour Kp index under 3 for mid latitude paths, under 2 for high latitude paths, 0-1 for several days consecutively is best. 6.) Energetic protons no greater then 10 MeV (10+0) for 160/120 meters and no greater then (10-1) on MF broadcast band. 7.) Background x-ray flux levels less than C2 for several days consecutively for 160/120 meters and less then C1 for MF broadcast band. 8.) No current STRATWARM alert. 9.) IMF Bz with a negative sign, indicates a better chance of high latitude path auroral absorption/unpredictable refraction or scattering of MF RF signals, when the Kp is above 3. SPACE WEATHER INDICES DURING THE PAST 7 DAY PERIOD, SPACE WEATHER INDICES EXPECTED DURING THE 7 DAY OUTLOOK PERIOD AND EXPLANATIONS OF THEIR IMPACT ON ANTICIPATED PROPAGATION CONDITIONS. ENERGETIC PROTON FLUX- During the previous 7 day period no elevated energetic proton flux events of >10 MeV (10+0) occurred. During the 7 day outlook period the probability of an elevated energetic proton flux event >10 MeV (10+0) is placed at 20%. An elevated energetic proton flux level greater then (10+0) on 160 meters and greater then (10-1) on the medium frequency broadcast band creates noticeably increased winter time day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium wave frequencies, especially on high latitude propagation paths but it can also negatively impact mid latitudes, depending on the intensity of the event. Elevated energetic proton events too small to be categorized as a Polar Cap Absorption event (PCA) can still impact high and mid level medium frequency propagation paths in the form of excessive D layer absorption. This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. ((((Note, high latitude medium frequency radio propagation paths can still be disturbed for days and up to weeks, following the end of an official >10 MeV (10+0) proton event.)))) SOLAR FLUX- During the previous 7 day period the daily solar flux level ranged between 145 and 111. The 111 is the lowest daily solar flux value to occur since January 1999! During December 2002 the daily solar flux ranged between 245 and 111. During 2002 the daily solar flux ranged between 275 and 111. As a comparison, in 2001 it ranged between 294 and 123. During the outlook period the daily solar flux values should range between approximately 185 and 135. During the previous 7 day period the daily "average" Background X-Ray Flux level ranged between B2.6 and B1.7. Elevated background X-ray flux levels can impact propagation of medium frequency signals in a negative manner. Background X-ray flux levels of C1 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of 160 and 120 meter signals and B9 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of AM broadcast band signals. Remember though that there are daily extremes of the Background X-ray flux level. So even though the daily average might have been good at say B2.2, the daily "extreme" maximum could have been C1.5, which would have been bad and have cause a short period of increased D layer absorption. High solar flux values are generally considered to be detrimental to propagation of medium frequency signals both domestic and Trans Atlantic (TA) & Trans Pacific (TP), as more absorption can be present via the transmitted signals' two trips through the D layer at the takeoff and arrival points. Most "strong" longer haul medium frequency DX signals in excess of 3000 miles is via the E Valley-F layer ducting and/or Chordal Hop propagation modes. Therefore high solar flux values can aid in long haul medium frequency propagation paths in excess of 3000 miles, as a high solar flux value ensures a strong F layer part of the E Valley-F layer duct or Chordal Hop propagation mechanism. However high solar activity in the form of increased ionization created by Ultraviolet and X-Ray radiation can fill in the E Valley region and interfere with the E Valley-F layer ducting mechanism. In a sense the E Valley-F layer duct is closed on one or both ends of a propagation path and the transmitted MF RF signal only propagates between the E layer and land/ocean surface, with a higher angle and more loss. SOLAR FLARES & SUNSPOT GROUP REGIONS- During the previous 7 day period only no M class solar flares occurred. Amazingly for the second week in a row, no sunspot group regions currently harbor even beta-gamma class magnetic signatures that would harbor energy for large M class solar flares. Only isolated M class solar flares are possible. However sunspot group #'s 10224 and 10226 are due to rotate around the sun's eastern limb by 03/01/08 and may be a source of renewed large M class solar flare activity. Solar flare forecast during the outlook period. C- 100% M- 50% X- 10% A C4 or higher class solar flare "can" elevate the proton flux above 10 MeV (10+0) and initiate large scale high and mid latitude propagation path absorption on the AM broadcast band, 160 and 120 meters, both stateside and DX, as a transfer of increased density and RF signal absorption from the day side D layer to night side of the ionosphere occurs through high level neutral winds. Unfortunately even smaller C3 solar flares can create hour to hour and night to night variations in signal strength on medium frequencies. High and mid latitude Trans Atlantic (TA) and Trans Pacific (TP) propagation paths tend to open up after a significant period of time passes without an elevated energetic proton event of >10 MeV (10+0). This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. Openings also occur when the solar background x-ray level falls back to below C2 for 160 and 120 meters and below C1 for the AM broadcast band. CORONAL MASS EJECTIONS/IONOSPHERIC STORMS/VISIBLE AURORA- During the previous 7 day period no geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejections occurred. During the outlook period the probability of a geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is placed at 20%. During the previous 7 day period a small Coronal Hole was in a geo-effective (Earth facing) position. It's related Solar Wind Stream impacted the (IMF) for a three day period of time, with a Kp index of 4 (Active) to 5 (Minor Storm). During the outlook period a recurring Coronal Hole will rotate into geo-effective (Earth facing) position and it's related Solar Wind Stream will begin impacting the (IMF) on 03/01/06-07. The following related geomagnetic conditions will occur: During the outlook period the probability of unsettled (Kp-3) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 100%. During the outlook period the probability of active (Kp-4) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 90%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a minor ionospheric storm (Kp-5)(G1) is placed at 50%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a moderate ionospheric storm (Kp-6)(G2) is placed at 30%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a strong ionospheric storm (Kp-7+)(G3+) is placed at 20%. G5 = Extreme - Kp = 9 G4 = Severe - Kp = 8 G3 = Strong - Kp = 7 G2 = Moderate - Kp = 6 G1 = Minor - Kp = 5 Active - Kp = 4 Unsettled - Kp = 3 During the outlook period the probability of a visible high latitude Aurora display is placed at 100%, mid latitude 60%. The Aurora Index at 2028 UTC 03/01/03 is a 7. The NOAA POES historical database that was used to construct statistical patterns of auroral power flux for each of the 10 levels of auroral activity as defined by total power dissipation as illustrated in the following table. Total Power Dissipation in Gigawatts/Activity Index Kp Index/Aurora Index 04-06/3/1+ 10-16/5/2+ 24-39/7/3+ 61-96/9/5- On 03/01/03 at 2206 UTC the Bz was 2.4 nt north. The Wang-Sheeley Interplanetary Magnetic Field (IMF) Model which predicts the Sun's IMF polarity, forecasts a negative (-) polarity between 03/01/04-03/01/10. When the polarity of the IMF is negative a visible mid latitude Aurora display is likely when a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. When the polarity of the IMF is positive a visible mid latitude Aurora display is unlikely as a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. A Geomagnetic or Ionospheric Storm is a worldwide disturbance of the earth's magnestosphere induced by the Sun's interplanetary magnetic field (IMF), distinct from regular diurnal variations. A Coronal Mass Ejection is the name given to an ejection of a large amount of matter from the Sun's outer atmosphere or corona. These ejections typically comprise millions of tons of material in the form of charged particles, and can be seen because the material reflects sunlight. When one of these ejections is directed towards the Earth (or conversely, directly away from the Earth), it looks like a roughly circular "halo" surrounding the Sun. The "Halo CME's" then are those CME's which are more likely to impact the Earth than those which are shot out at right angles to the Earth-Sun line. Energetic protons emitted during CME's play a major role in increased day time and night-time D-layer absorption of mediumwave frequencies. Coronal Mass Ejections were once thought to be completely initiated by solar flares. However it is now known that many (CME's) are not associated with Solar Flares. If a (CME) collides with the Earth, it can excite a Geomagnetic Storm if the polarity of the IMF has a negative sign. We must be vigilant in watching for geoeffective (CME's), in order to not be caught by surprise with a seemingly sudden and unexpected Geomagnetic Storm. As the Kp index reaches 3-4, the aurora oval begins expanding equatorward in magnetic latitude and generally begins having a negative impact on high latitude medium frequency propagation paths. A Kp index of 5 or higher begins to have a negative impact on high latitude high frequency shortwave propagation paths. However at times skewed path propagation conditions can compensate for high latitude propagation path auroral absorption. STRATOSPHERIC WARMING- During the past 7 day outlook period Stratospheric Warming did occur. During the outlook period increased winter like day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium frequency signals, tied to Stratospheric Warming in the northern hemisphere is "probable". As the SEC explains it: Stratwarm: STRATWARM ALERT / SUNDAY / STRATWARM EXISTS INTENSE WARMING COMTINUES IN THE UPPER STRATOSPHERE. WITHIN THE NEXT THREE DAYS: EASILY WINDS AT 60N IN 1 HPA; REVERSED TEMPERATURE GRADIENT BETWEEN THE NORTH POLE AND 60N FROM 10 TO 1 HPA; AN ELONGATION OF THE COLD POLAR VORTEX INTO TWO CENTRES IN THE LOWER AND MID-STRATOSPHERE. This occurence is tied to intense warming in the Stratosphere due to the cold Circumpolar Vortex splitting and shifting in it's Arctic position. A little related Meteorology: Interrelated with the splitting and shifting of the Arctic Circumpolar Vortex, is a Tropospheric level negative North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and Pacific-North America Anomaly (PNA), mid and upper air height anomaly pattern. This equates to a large high pressure ridge in Western North America extending northward all the way into the Yukon region of Canada and a deep trough in the Eastern North America, from the eastern U.S. extending down into the Yucatan region of Mexico, with a second ridge in the western North Atlantic Ocean. This pattern is also called a dual blocking ridge and taps Siberian Arctic air, sending it across the North Pole into the eastern 2/3's of Canada and the U.S.,providing for very cold surface temperatures. As the stratosphere lies below the ionosphere, which is at mesosphere and thermosphere height, you would not expect to see stratospheric warming effect medium frequency propagation in any way BUT medium frequency signals do propagate off of temperature inversions and moisture discontinuities and a temperature inversion is involved with stratospheric warming. 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Hi Andy:
 
If you have a suite of programs zipped, and, they will function when using
USA parameters, I would appreciate you e-mailing the zipped file.  Use
 
Many thanks and best wished for 2003,
 
Tom N8TL
 
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:12:55 -0000 "Andy talbot" <G4JNT@THERSGB.NET> writes:
I have a suite of programmes that calculate distance bearing, as well as a height database of the UK for plotting terrain maps and microwave paths, plus a database of most of the decent highspot. /P locations in the UK and a few other worldwide plotting utilities   The progs operate together so it isn't possible to supply just the one that converts NGR/Latlong/UTM and calculates distance and bearings.   The whole suite is 1.4Meg zipped up and I'll send you a copy direct, and to anyone else wanting it.
 
Andy  G4JNT
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: LF: Distance calculator (off topic)

Hello Group.    Happy New Year.

Does anyone know of, or have, any windows software that can calculate distances based on the UK National Grid Reference system?  (e.g.  TQ147951 )

I have one for the Maidenhead system (if anyone would like it just ask) but not for calculating distance between two NGR's.

Many Thanks

73

David
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18575 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 18:08:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 18:08:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 566 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 18:08:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 18:08:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Ushu-0008P7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:07:38 +0000 Received: from [212.35.226.183] (helo=k2.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Usht-0008Oy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:07:37 +0000 Received: from k7t.pncl.co.uk (155.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.155]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id h04I7ZaR002833 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 18:07:36 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030104180813.00a0e1a0@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 18:08:25 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Distance calculator (off topic) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010807020706040206050200" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010807020706040206050200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 07:32 04/01/03 G0MRF wrote:

Hello Group.    Happy New Year.

Does anyone know of, or have, any windows software that can calculate distances based on the UK National Grid Reference system?  (e.g.  TQ147951 )

I have one for the Maidenhead system (if anyone would like it just ask) but not for calculating distance between two NGR's.

Many Thanks

73

David


I wrote a little program 15 yrs ago to do this, available free to anyone who wants it.
Also converts  NGR to/from lat/lon at about the 10m level.
Will not pass this reflector as an attachment. Sent one to David direct.

NGR distances are easy to do in a spreadsheet . Unlike  Maidenhead and Lat/Lon 
NG is a true rectilinear grid so if you know how to translate NGR's
given as e.g. TQ 169483  into actual Eastings and Northings in terms of metres
all you have to do is a root sum of squares equation.  Done this way
distances will be correct but bearings will be in terms of Grid North - about
2 degs different  from True North in Central England. My program corrects for this
and gives bearings as degs True.

If you really want to go to town get onto Ordnance Survey's  GPS website -
www.gps.gov.uk , get a password and log in and you can get, free, a
massive 10 Mb program that converts everything to everything at millimetre
accuracy (GridInquest). Or it lets you do conversions on-line.

Walter G3JKV.
 
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Dear all.
 
I just saw on the DX cluster that S57A has worked OK1DTN for the first S5/OK contact.
Also, following EA1PX's mail about his QSO with Hube, I called him on QRSS and we had a QSO. Thanks José. I make the distance 1120km.
 
73
Dave
G3YXM, IO92BK
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1563 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 16:14:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 16:14:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 6907 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 16:13:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 16:13:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UqvJ-00085o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 16:13:21 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UqvI-00085f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 16:13:20 +0000 Received: from [80.40.60.209] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18UqjA-0006um-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 16:00:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c2b40c$335968e0$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12e.1f461126.2b482e6e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:12:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Distance calculator (off topic) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=HTML_WITH_BGCOLOR,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I have a suite of programmes that calculate distance bearing, as well as a height database of the UK for plotting terrain maps and microwave paths, plus a database of most of the decent highspot. /P locations in the UK and a few other worldwide plotting utilities   The progs operate together so it isn't possible to supply just the one that converts NGR/Latlong/UTM and calculates distance and bearings.   The whole suite is 1.4Meg zipped up and I'll send you a copy direct, and to anyone else wanting it.
 
Andy  G4JNT
 
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Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:32 PM
Subject: LF: Distance calculator (off topic)

Hello Group.    Happy New Year.

Does anyone know of, or have, any windows software that can calculate distances based on the UK National Grid Reference system?  (e.g.  TQ147951 )

I have one for the Maidenhead system (if anyone would like it just ask) but not for calculating distance between two NGR's.

Many Thanks

73

David
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17602 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 15:32:15 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 15:32:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9180 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 15:31:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 15:31:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UqGC-0007y2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:30:52 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetmx2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UqG8-0007xt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:30:48 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([193.153.202.141]) by tnetmx2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H874F200.TK4 for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:30:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c2b406$2d5761a0$8dca99c1@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:28:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: First F-EA QSO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all:
 
Last night, at 21 UTC, I had first QSO with Hubert, F6CWA ( 1086 Km ), on 137704 Hz-QRSS3 with "O" signals both ways, actually Hubert´s signals were audible. We had QSO again this morning after the QSO with Mike, G3XDV. 
 
Some minutes ago I copied "M" signals from DF0WD in QSO with F6CWA; I called him but I had no reply.
 
73 de José, EA1PX loc IN53TI
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27067 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 14:10:03 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 14:10:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 28242 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 13:09:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 13:09:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Uo32-0007g8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 13:09:08 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Uo31-0007fz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 13:09:07 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030104130907.EBLE4699.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:09:07 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2b3f2$a118a680$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12e.1f461126.2b482e6e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:10:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Distance calculator (off topic) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false G0MRF wrote: > Does anyone know of, or have, any windows software that can calculate > distances based on the UK National Grid Reference system? (e.g. TQ147951 ) > > I have one for the Maidenhead system (if anyone would like it just ask) but > not for calculating distance between two NGR's. David, Not a perfect solution, but go to http://www.aber.ac.uk/cgi-bin/user/auj/locate.pl which is a utility to convert NGR or Lat/Long into a Locator, then use your favourite Loc-Loc program (I use the one by OH3NJC). Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29065 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 12:34:55 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 12:34:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 21953 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 12:34:33 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 12:34:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: (qmail 15022 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Jan 2003 12:34:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 12:34:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UnUR-0007ZL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 12:33:23 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.101] (helo=imo-r05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UnUR-0007ZC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 12:33:23 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.12e.1f461126 (4116) for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 07:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <12e.1f461126.2b482e6e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 07:32:46 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: LF: Distance calculator (off topic) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Group.    Happy New Year.

Does anyone know of, or have, any windows software that can calculate distances based on the UK National Grid Reference system?  (e.g.  TQ147951 )

I have one for the Maidenhead system (if anyone would like it just ask) but not for calculating distance between two NGR's.

Many Thanks

73

David
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22363 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 12:11:49 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 12:11:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 6306 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 11:11:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 11:11:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Um7c-0007Md-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 11:05:44 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Um7c-0007MU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 11:05:44 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030104110543.EQAY14589.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:05:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c2b3e1$61262ae0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:06:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: EA QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Just had a nice QRSS3 contact with Jose, EA1PX at 1152km. This is country no:20 for me and my 89th different station on 136kHz. [full list at http://www.lf.thersgb.net/136calls.htm] Jose was not strong, but clearly readable, so he should have many QSOs across Europe. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7015 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2003 12:49:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 12:49:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 10567 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2003 12:49:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 12:49:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18URFK-0004X1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:48:18 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18URFK-0004Ws-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:48:18 +0000 Received: from host62-6-99-108.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.99.108] helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18URFJ-0006EY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 12:48:17 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c2b326$54353ee0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:18:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Well Done Jose Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, congratulations to Jose for struggling with difficult conditions. He was a good signal in the UK at near local midnight, and even on my "small" aerial would have been close to audible without the noise from TVs and external Christmas lights. He should be good copy on QRSS3 most evenings in the UK, as the majority is a sea-water path. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26548 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2003 11:49:02 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 11:49:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 16676 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2003 11:48:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 11:48:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UQFO-0004K4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:44:18 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UQFO-0004Jv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:44:18 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.251]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H84Z9S01.46B for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:44:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c2b31d$6851a5c0$fbc863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:43:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: First QSO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all:
 
Yesterday, Thursday, from 0.06 to 0.56 UTC, took place a QSO between DF6NM and me, on 137704 Hz-QRSS3. Markus´  signals were "O" , and he copied me with "M".
 
Thanks a lot to Markus for the first DL-EA QSO and for the hard work and skills deployed to read all my characters.
 
Thanks to Brian for his DCF39´s registers, that helped me to make the call in the appropiated time.
 
Thanks to Alan for his report as well.
 
 
73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53TI
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32656 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2003 00:40:07 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 00:40:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11136 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2003 00:39:43 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 00:39:43 -0000 X-SQ: A X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6780 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Jan 2003 00:26:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2003 00:26:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UFbf-0002hM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:22:35 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UFba-0002hD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:22:30 +0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.98.79.86]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20030103002230.NBUW900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@virgin.net> for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2003 00:22:30 +0000 Message-ID: <3E14D77C.5050306@virgin.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 00:21:16 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <000101c2a936$b74e8620$47c428c3@erica> <000001c2a99a$8954f7e0$1da05250@igor> <001a01c2b298$b9d96340$89ce28c3@erica> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Yagi (off subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false It will be in the IEE library Savoy Place, and the Patent Library in London, and the Science Museam Library at Imperial College. Stewart g3ldo wrote: > Hi Igor, > Many thanks for the information > > >>Peter: It was reprinted at Proc. IRE, #5, Vol. 72, 1984. >> >> >>>I apologise for this off subject question but I am not sure where else >> > to > >>>look. >>>I am trying to find a detailed description of the original experiments >> >>done >> >>>by Prof Uda on the parasitic element antenna now known as the Yagi. I >> > have > >>>one reference Proc. IRE, 16 715-740 June 1928 but don't know how to get >> > at > >>>it. Do you know of any other sources? >>> >> > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2327 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 21:34:16 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 21:34:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 7486 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 21:33:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 21:33:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UCxd-0002G8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 21:33:05 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UCxc-0002Fz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 21:33:04 +0000 Received: from [213.40.211.24] (helo=tcs1) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18UCx6-0003JV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 21:32:33 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:33:25 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <132272784853.20030101185331@dx.ru> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: UA Limitations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Ed & LF, Thank you for the detailed reply regarding your antenna & the licence conditions in Russia. I am still working on my station including a 300 watt transmitter & improvements to the antenna system for receive & an antenna for transmit, I only have a small garden behind my house but I am going to give 136 my best shot ! Thanks again Ed. 73 Gary G4WGT -----Original Message----- In Russia there are following limitations on 136 kHz:.................etc. 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru --- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2843 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 20:53:19 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 20:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26827 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 19:53:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 19:53:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18UBOA-0001z6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:52:22 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18UBO9-0001yx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:52:21 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-137.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.137] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18UBO8-000NBl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:52:21 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2b298$b9d96340$89ce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <000101c2a936$b74e8620$47c428c3@erica> <000001c2a99a$8954f7e0$1da05250@igor> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 19:39:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Yagi (off subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Igor, Many thanks for the information > > Peter: It was reprinted at Proc. IRE, #5, Vol. 72, 1984. > > > I apologise for this off subject question but I am not sure where else to > > look. > > I am trying to find a detailed description of the original experiments > done > > by Prof Uda on the parasitic element antenna now known as the Yagi. I have > > one reference Proc. IRE, 16 715-740 June 1928 but don't know how to get at > > it. Do you know of any other sources? > > Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12216 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 17:44:35 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 17:44:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 18918 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 17:45:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 17:45:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18U9OT-0001aB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:44:33 +0000 Received: from [130.244.199.129] (helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18U9OS-0001a2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:44:32 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.37.166]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20030102174432.CVYI10102.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:44:32 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c2b286$cabc6020$882665d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2b0df$7108e880$232765d5@oemcomputer> <3E143FA6.8010301@usa.net> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:45:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: OT: DFCW on HF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false The DFCW beacon on 40m is now QRT but I am planning to try milliwatt DFCW or QRSS on 160m soon. 73 Johan SM6LKM ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- Från: "Alberto di Bene" Till: Skickat: den 2 januari 2003 14:33 Ämne: Re: LF: OT: DFCW on HF > Johan Bodin wrote: > > >Hi > > > >There is a DFCW beacon on 40 meters. > > > >Frequency: 7022.381 kHz (dot), 7022.383 kHz (dash). > >[...] > > > > > Nothing received here Johan, sorry... but will keep trying. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14114 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 17:11:00 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 17:11:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17899 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 17:10:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 17:10:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-SQ: A X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18U8q4-0001S7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:09:00 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.2] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18U8q3-0001Ry-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:08:59 +0000 Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.131) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 17:08:52 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.169.85] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 052HaBRiY0351M31; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:08:50 GMT Message-ID: <3E143FA6.8010301@usa.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:33:26 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2b0df$7108e880$232765d5@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: LF: OT: DFCW on HF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Johan Bodin wrote: >Hi > >There is a DFCW beacon on 40 meters. > >Frequency: 7022.381 kHz (dot), 7022.383 kHz (dash). >[...] > > Nothing received here Johan, sorry... but will keep trying. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2307 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 15:26:54 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 15:26:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 5078 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 14:26:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 14:26:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-SQ: A X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18U6Bh-0000s4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:19:09 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [195.37.42.2] (helo=FHAMWEN.fh-amberg-weiden.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18U6Bh-0000rv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 14:19:09 +0000 Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [195.37.42.59]) by FHAMWEN.fh-amberg-weiden.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA10385 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:40:34 +0100 Message-ID: <3E144A42.A1D65DC1@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:18:42 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6lpin_Thomas?= Organization: FH-Amberg-Weiden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c2b1b5$53018280$ef319fd4@home> Subject: Re: LF: Hell copy Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=6.0tests=CTYPE_JUST_HTML,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Dave,

thanks for your efforts - wonderful ooo-signal on a wonderful noise-free 1st of January (everyone was tired or even worse ...). QSL is already posted to G3YXM. Fine to get country no. 13 on LF!

Happy New Year to you es everyone on the reflector.
Vy 73 es hpe to cuagn

Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK

Pick schrieb:

Thanks to F6CWA, F6BWO and DK1IS for good QRSS QSOs from the GM QTH (IO75WC).I also had an excellent copy of DF6NM's Hell transmission to I5TGC this afternoon. Happy New Year to all! Dave G(M)3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9917 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 22:46:02 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 22:46:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 3575 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 22:45:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 22:45:44 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18TrbR-0005E4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 22:44:45 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.102] (helo=imo-r06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18TrbO-0005Dm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 22:44:42 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.34.32cadb68 (4446) for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <34.32cadb68.2b44c937@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 17:44:07 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: hell Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,DEAR_SOMEBODY,HTML_50_70,NO_REAL_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Mal, Dave and LF-Group,

... ah, lower sideband reception of "GL - TGC NM SK .." - one may have to use a mirror ;-)

Mni tnx to you and Dave for the reports. I wonder if you might have seen traces of Cesare's HELL as well, he had a very nice signal here today.

Wishing all of you a wonderful year 2003 and lotsa fun,

73 de Markus, DF6NM


g3kev.ham@virgin.net:

Who was transmitting Hell a short time ago on 137.7 khz
I just noticed the end of the transmission something like
Cr - LCC NH ZX - -
73 
de G3KEV


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17361 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 18:05:04 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 18:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 26154 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 18:04:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 18:04:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18TnDh-0004YD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:03:57 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18TnDc-0004Y4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:03:52 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.9]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030101180351.TALM21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:03:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2b1c0$1eed4aa0$09cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:38:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: hell Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Who was transmitting Hell a short time ago on 137.7 khz
I just noticed the end of the transmission something like
Cr - LCC NH ZX - -
 
73
 
de G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7084 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 16:46:54 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 16:46:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 23292 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 16:46:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 16:46:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Tm0N-0004FZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 16:46:07 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.223] (helo=marstons.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Tm0N-0004FQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 16:46:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 916 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Jan 2003 16:45:31 -0000 Received: from dyn239-49.sftm-212-159.plus.net (HELO dellboy) (212.159.49.239) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 16:45:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c2b1b5$53018280$ef319fd4@home> From: "Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:46:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Hell copy Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks to F6CWA, F6BWO and DK1IS for good QRSS QSOs from the GM QTH (IO75WC).
I also had an excellent copy of DF6NM's Hell transmission to I5TGC this afternoon.
 
Happy New Year to all!
 
Dave G(M)3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6897 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 15:58:45 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 15:58:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8115 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 15:58:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 15:58:42 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18TlBY-00044h-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 15:53:36 +0000 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18TlBU-00044Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 15:53:32 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 6994 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 18:53:30 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 18:53:29 +0300 Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:53:31 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <132272784853.20030101185331@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: UA Limitations Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000305090907080002000403" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000305090907080002000403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello LF_Group! Tuesday, December 31, 2002, G4WGT wrote: G> The ERP stated here seems very high in respect of my limited experience with G> LF power levels & antenna efficiency limitations. If these levels are G> correct I will be interested to know how they are being achieved & what G> restrictions are imposed by the licencing authorities in that area. In Russia there are following limitations on 136 kHz: 29 jun 1998 radio amateurs of Russia have permission for 135.7-137.8 kHz A1A with power (Output - not ERP!): 100w 1 kategory 50w 2/3 kat 10w 4 kat I.e. not CEPT's limitations in pwr I use Big Vertical (see attach) on high (135m) tower H effective ~90m As fairly has noticed Dave G3YXM (RadCom July 2002): "These restrictions mean that only those who have access to really efficient aerials (like Ed's) are going to be heard in the UK" I remind, that distance up to England from mine QTH abt 3000km! I believe that such restrictions detain development 136 in Russia. I use 100w TX and it allows me to achieve abt 20w ERP. But at me is 3? thermo-current-meter in ANT and I usually support a current in the aerial < 3A i.e. abt 10w ERP at ~40w Output My LF-correspondents are in the best conditions on reception than I ;-)) Seldom at whom from them is even 1w ERP ;-(( In 2002 I have made 5 weekends LF-activites and I have abt 40 QSOs with 11 countries DXCC (136/136 QRSS and CW) 73! 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Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of G4WGT Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:14 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity Hi Ed & all at LF. On 27/12/2002 Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru wrote :- DEC 28: 0000 - 0530 QRSS60 10w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA") 135.922 0530 - 1000 QRSS3/CW 1w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA 1W") 137.7 1000 - abt 1500 QRSS60 20w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA") 137.7 The ERP stated here seems very high in respect of my limited experience with LF power levels & antenna efficiency limitations. If these levels are correct I will be interested to know how they are being achieved & what restrictions are imposed by the licencing authorities in that area. May I also take this opportunity to wish everyone on LF seasons greetings & a Happy New year 2003. 73 Gary G4WGT