From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32106 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 18:14:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 18:14:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23821 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Dec 2002 18:14:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 18:14:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18TQtm-0001NQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:13:54 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18TQtl-0001N9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:13:53 +0000 Received: from [213.40.206.152] (helo=tcs1) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18TQtG-0003Wr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:13:22 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:14:03 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <4018133747.20021227133213@dx.ru> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Ed & all at LF. On 27/12/2002 Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru wrote :- DEC 28: 0000 - 0530 QRSS60 10w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA") 135.922 0530 - 1000 QRSS3/CW 1w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA 1W") 137.7 1000 - abt 1500 QRSS60 20w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA") 137.7 The ERP stated here seems very high in respect of my limited experience with LF power levels & antenna efficiency limitations. If these levels are correct I will be interested to know how they are being achieved & what restrictions are imposed by the licencing authorities in that area. May I also take this opportunity to wish everyone on LF seasons greetings & a Happy New year 2003. 73 Gary G4WGT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26684 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 18:01:44 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 18:01:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 23712 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 18:01:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 18:01:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18TQgW-0001IT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:00:12 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.83] (helo=mailout07.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18TQgW-0001IK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:00:12 +0000 Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18TQgT-0000jX-02; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:00:09 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.12.172]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18TQgL-14ei1oC; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:00:01 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2b0df$7108e880$232765d5@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:00:01 +0100 Message-ID: <18TQgL-14ei1oC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: OT: DFCW on HF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=6.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Johan Bodin schrieb: > Hi > > There is a DFCW beacon on 40 meters. > > Frequency: 7022.381 kHz (dot), 7022.383 kHz (dash). > Element length: 10s > Element spacing: 3.333s > Character spacing: 10s > Word spacing: 20s > Power: 1mW into coax feeder > Antenna: Dipole, 7m above gnd > Message: Callsign plus a three letter "secret codeword" > > The beacon will be in operation until early January next year :-) > > 72 > Johan SM6LKM > > > Hi Johan, I read the DFCW signs on 7022,386/7022,388kHz 8dB above noise with QSB. what kind of award did you say I get if solving the "secret codeword"? regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25478 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 16:19:15 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 16:19:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9836 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 15:19:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 15:19:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18TO5n-0000h9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:14:07 +0000 Received: from [130.244.199.129] (helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18TO5m-0000h0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:14:06 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.39.35]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20021231151405.VXIN10102.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:14:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c2b0df$7108e880$232765d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:15:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: OT: DFCW on HF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi There is a DFCW beacon on 40 meters. Frequency: 7022.381 kHz (dot), 7022.383 kHz (dash). Element length: 10s Element spacing: 3.333s Character spacing: 10s Word spacing: 20s Power: 1mW into coax feeder Antenna: Dipole, 7m above gnd Message: Callsign plus a three letter "secret codeword" The beacon will be in operation until early January next year :-) 72 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30899 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 20:47:36 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 20:47:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 2556 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 20:47:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 20:47:21 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18T6oF-00010I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:46:51 +0000 Received: from [64.4.23.69] (helo=hotmail.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18T6oF-0000z7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:46:51 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:45:36 -0800 Received: from 66.58.148.229 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:45:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.58.148.229] From: "flo flo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:45:35 -0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2002 20:45:36.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[67E5E6E0:01C2B044] Subject: LF: 137Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Ive just joined so apologies if this isnt working! >From Laurence aka Flo AL1V (G4DMA) BP41xd 10Kms SW Anchorage Alaska. Hi Im now QRV on Rx on this band using Argo 131 (excellent, thanks)a large 800ft Inv L at 90ft max and extensive earth radial system. Loran C is a problem in Alaska and Anchorage and the recent ZL6QH mark freq on 789 is just in the wrong spot here by 0.1Hz!...and I was a day late getting the station on the air If anyone from anywhere would like to see if their signal can be heard using QRSS from South Central Alaska please give me an email to hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com. Sunrise is around 1913Z, sunset 0013Z. - sunlight is increasing at around 2 mins per day... The 138.8Khz Eu beacon signal is audible to S9+ in the mornings before 2030Z and from 2300Z. (It is very variable on a minute to min basis) Long wave stations are even audible thru my winter dayliight hours with France Inter on 162 and others on 153 sometimes HI quality. BBC R4 is never strong and is very close to the local US NDB's If we take this as a good indicator of band conditions,Id be interested to know how strong this beacon is being received on the Eastern states at the time that Eu stations are audible...there may be a chance..we are about 6000Kms from the UK. The path to Europe tends to cross a large cross section of the Au Oval but whether this is going to make a large difference to prop unless under extreme proton events I dont know. Vy 73 - Laurence AL1V (2 week old licence) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13351 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 20:21:59 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 20:21:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15325 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 20:21:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 20:21:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18T6P9-0000tI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:20:55 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18T6P8-0000t3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:20:54 +0000 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021230202021.IECD1188.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:20:21 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.102.61]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021230202015.ZXCM18554.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:20:15 +1300 Message-ID: <001801c2b041$33e677e0$3d6636d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E0F08EC.5925567B@att.net> <003a01c2af85$b2ddd9b0$3a5236d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <000c01c2afe2$e5119680$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:21:38 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: ZL6QH summary of operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mike G3XDV, > It would be useful to know how the US/Canadian reception related to sunrise > and sunset times at either end. As a general comment, it seems that pre-dawn enhancement happens on many LF DX paths. It will take some time to go through all results, and check respective sunrise and sunset times with propagation conditions. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3939 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 17:57:50 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 17:57:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2924 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 17:57:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 17:57:33 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18T46U-0000ao-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:53:30 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18T46S-0000af-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:53:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 70160 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 20:53:24 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 20:53:24 +0300 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:53:15 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <125107144551.20021230205315@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <003a01c2af85$b2ddd9b0$3a5236d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> References: <3E0F08EC.5925567B@att.net> <003a01c2af85$b2ddd9b0$3a5236d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Beacon tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all! Monday, December 30, 2002, 12:58:46 AM, ZL2CA wrote: V> Reception reports are still being worked through. Best DX for the three V> nights appears to be with Bill VE2IQ. Generally good results were reported V> from North America. ^^^ Magnificent reception in Northern America! My congratulations by all who has accepted ZL6QH-beacon and LF-team ZL6QH for the qualified efforts! V> No confirmed reports from Europe. Mine beacon test on Dec 27 nobody has accepted ;-(( (except for Europe) I am not sure that Thomas really has accepted my beacon's signal (http://www.kn4lf.com/RU6LA_M.jpg). There are at whom comments on it ARGO's screen capture? Thanks by all who tried to accept mine beacon test All the best, and a happy and peaceful 2003 !! 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11018 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 11:52:21 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 11:52:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 9664 invoked by uid 10001); 30 Dec 2002 11:52:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 11:52:03 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SyRr-0008Kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:51:11 +0000 Received: from [195.197.172.114] (helo=velli.mail.jippii.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SyRq-0008Km-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:51:11 +0000 Received: from tietokone (MDCCXVIII.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.41.218]) by velli.mail.jippii.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AAC113F22E for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:51:10 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20021230135102.008ec100@pop.jippii.fi> X-Sender: vaiski1@pop.jippii.fi X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:51:02 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?VuRpbvY=?=" In-reply-to: <008c01c2adf1$09fb8f80$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Signals report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false M0MBU was monitored on the 30th Dec 2002 until qrt just before 0301 UTC, 137.5 kHz. Fs varied during the last hour 02-03 UTC slightly: abt -4...+2 dB(uV/m). Moderate ICM from DBF39 <-- Polish 225 kHz. Slight to mod qrn (radio thunder) (really). All the best for 2003 Vaino, OH2LX |---------------------------------------------------------| | V.K.Lehtoranta, OH2LX ¤ 60N33.6 024E58.7 KP20LN74 | | P.O.Box 50 ¤ Telephone: +358-9-4173965 | | FIN-05401, Jokela ¤ Telefax: +358-9-4173961 | | Finland ¤ email: vaiski@dlc.fi | |---------------------------------------------------------| From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30938 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 09:50:08 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 09:50:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 25841 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 09:49:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 09:49:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SwXt-00080u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:49:17 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SwXt-00080l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:49:17 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.18]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021230094916.QKAB29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:49:16 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c2afe8$b05db580$12e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:24:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Thanks... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: LF: Thanks... > This is an automatic response to confirm > receipt of your e-mail. > >Hi Merv You would need to sort your auto responder out because there are more messages from it than anything else on this reflector!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know you employ an alien, expect he is not fully Earth trained yet, please intervene. Happy New Year de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2903 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 09:11:02 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 09:11:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 4630 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 09:10:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 09:10:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SvsX-0007sL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:06:33 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SvsS-0007sC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:06:28 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021230090627.XABZ900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:06:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2afe2$e5119680$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E0F08EC.5925567B@att.net> <003a01c2af85$b2ddd9b0$3a5236d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:07:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH summary of operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Reception reports are still being worked through. Best DX for the three > nights appears to be with Bill VE3IQ. Generally good results were reported > from North America. No confirmed reports from Europe. > 73, Bob ZL2CA Thanks for these tests. I monitored morning and evening and watched the sunrise/sunset times on http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/greyline.html. Several possibles but nothing I could call proof of reception. It would be useful to know how the US/Canadian reception related to sunrise and sunset times at either end. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30681 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 01:39:28 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 01:39:28 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 3524 invoked by uid 10001); 30 Dec 2002 01:39:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 01:39:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Sosv-0006uN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:38:29 +0000 Received: from [216.136.175.43] (helo=web13307.mail.yahoo.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Sosu-0006uE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:38:28 +0000 Message-ID: <20021230013826.15748.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.204.35] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:38:26 PST Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:38:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Silvers" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <1b8.b8d87fc.2b40d5f9@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Okay, okay, Ray, I admit, I hadn't checked your list before my reply but at the same risk as I took before, how about http://worldaerodata.com/ ? Happy Holidays de Mike KB6WFC --- RaySoifer@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/29/02 9:45:04 PM Greenwich Standard Time, > silversmj@yahoo.com writes: > > How about trying http://www.airnav.com/navaids/ for starters? > > > Hi Mike, > > I did. The ones I listed were the ones that weren't on their list. > > 73, > > Ray > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26940 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 00:34:48 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 00:34:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 2708 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 00:34:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 00:34:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Snsn-0006f3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:34:17 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.106] (helo=imo-r10.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Snsm-0006ea-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:34:16 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.12c.1ee7e3b3 (4584) for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:33:41 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: <12c.1ee7e3b3.2b40ee65@cs.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:33:41 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: Re: LF: Re: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Tnx Jose!

73,

Ray

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30513 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 00:34:41 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 00:34:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 15690 invoked by uid 10001); 30 Dec 2002 00:34:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 00:34:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Sns5-0006eW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:33:33 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.104] (helo=imo-r08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Sns4-0006eN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:33:32 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.121.1c360f4a (4584) for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:32:56 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: <121.1c360f4a.2b40ee38@cs.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:32:56 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: Re: LF: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Tnx Mike!

73,

Ray From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20834 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 00:21:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 00:21:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 28118 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 00:22:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 00:22:30 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Sngk-0006Zz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:21:50 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.39] (helo=imo-d07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Sngj-0006Zq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:21:49 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.1a1.e2d30fa (16097) for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d22.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.138]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-1229192115; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:21:15 1900 Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:21:14 -0500 From: carmelink@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3EC3F7E7.12E58145.02E350C6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Subject: Re: LF: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,UPPERCASE_25_50version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: *** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Ray, A few more on your UNIDs: 226: IW Laurel, Queens, NY 40-43N/73-41W 25W 268: RT GRIMM/New York, NY 40-35N/73-39W Probables for DCL and NBY: 237: DYL Doylestown, PA (WRLB2874) 40-20N/75-07W 25W 257.51: TBY Waterbury/Oxford, CT (WRLB2094) 41-31N/73-08W 25W Not all lists have the 2-letter US IDs, considered outer markers rather than NDBs. Good hunting-- Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2866 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 23:44:12 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 23:44:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 9430 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 23:43:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Sn5V-0006Ou-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:43:21 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetmx2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Sn5V-0006Ol-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:43:21 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.75]) by tnetmx2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H7WN6S00.VSO for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:42:28 +0100 Message-ID: <005101c2af93$f075cae0$4bc863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <36.351baaca.2b40c2d3@cs.com> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:42:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=6.0tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,UPPERCASE_25_50, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Ray:
 
I hope next information can be useful
 
YBM   ST-BRUNO DE GUIGUES  QUE - CANADA
CN      COCHRANE - CANADA  235??
EW    CHESA  NEW JERSEY - USA
YTJ    TERRACE BAY - CANADA
YGK   KINGSTON - CANADA
LG      PETHS - NEW YORK
YLD    CHAPLEAU - CANADA
YKQ   WASKAGANISH - CANADA
MG     OTIMS - NEW YORK
UR      ORCHY - NEW YORK
MM     MOREE - NEW JERSEY
 
 
73  de José, EA1PX
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: LF: More North American UNIDs

Hi,

By coincidence, this morning I did the same thing as KN4LF: a fairly rapid sweep looking for NDBs.  With the help of AirNav I was able to identify most of them, but here are the ones for which I could not locate any information.  Can anyone help?

226 IW
230 YBM
236 CN
238 DCL
241 EW
250 YTJ
258 NBY
263 YGK
268 RT
331 HP
332 LG
335 YLD
351 YKQ
353 MG
385 UR
392 MM

Not all of these were ground wave, as the sun had not yet come up at my QTH (FN20WW).

73,

Ray, W2RS
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1165 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 23:05:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 23:05:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 27041 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 23:04:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 23:04:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SmTh-0006CG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:04:17 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SmTg-0006C7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:04:16 +0000 Received: from modem-106.belegaer.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.137.106] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18SmTg-0005Si-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:04:16 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c2af8f$e43ecbe0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:12:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re. ZL6QH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Bob and team, I have monitored your frequency from 1600-1730 for three evenings,using an HP3586b and a large directional loop antenna, but nothing seen. Perhaps there is no value in a negative report but at least you should know that there are people over here looking. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24961 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 22:51:03 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:51:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 10281 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 22:50:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:50:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SmG1-00066g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:50:09 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.41] (helo=imo-d09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SmFw-00066S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:50:04 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.1b8.b8d87fc (2612) for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:49:29 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: <1b8.b8d87fc.2b40d5f9@cs.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:49:29 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: Re: LF: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/29/02 9:45:04 PM Greenwich Standard Time, silversmj@yahoo.com writes:
How about trying http://www.airnav.com/navaids/ for starters?

Hi Mike,

I did.  The ones I listed were the ones that weren't on their list.

73,

Ray From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22817 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 22:34:46 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:34:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 4039 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 22:34:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:34:29 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Sm0U-00060B-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:34:06 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Sm0T-0005zz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:34:06 +0000 Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.137) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:34:03 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.169.20] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 602gLCwIa0378M37; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <3E0F7859.2010200@usa.net> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:34:01 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: Thanks... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false merv@mckee-eng.com wrote: >This is an automatic response to confirm >receipt of your e-mail. > > > Let's hope this guy comes fast back from his vacations.... I am a bit allergic to be thanked too many times.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15440 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 22:28:01 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:28:01 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 1183 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Dec 2002 22:27:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:27:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Slqe-0005s2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:23:56 +0000 Received: from [206.191.0.253] (helo=mx4.magma.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Slqd-0005rt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:23:56 +0000 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx4.magma.ca (Magma's Mail Server) with ESMTP id gBTMNsh5011060 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:23:54 -0500 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar (pembroke-dial-206-51-253-39.d-ip.magma.ca [206.51.253.39]) by mail6.magma.ca (Magma's Mail Server) with SMTP id gBTMNr7M013892 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:23:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20021229172348.00adda40@magma.ca> X-Sender: ve2iq@magma.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:23:48 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bill de Carle" In-reply-to: <003a01c2af85$b2ddd9b0$3a5236d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> References: <3E0F08EC.5925567B@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH summary of operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 10:58 AM 12/30/2002 +1300, Bob, ZL2CA wrote: >Hi all, > >The ZL6QH beacon transmission went without missing a beat on each of the >last three nights. A DDS exciter was used for the last two nights, and it >maintained very good timing of a Q ID starting on the hour, within a few >seconds. > >Reception reports are still being worked through. Best DX for the three >nights appears to be with Bill VE3IQ. Generally good results were reported >from North America. No confirmed reports from Europe. > >73, Bob ZL2CA Even though I'm now living in Ontario, the call is still VE2IQ, not VE3IQ. Maybe I should sign VE2IQ/3 ? Bill From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1119 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 22:01:34 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:01:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 28620 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 22:01:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 22:01:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SlU9-0005go-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:00:41 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SlU7-0005gf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:00:40 +0000 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021229220008.DAWS1188.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:00:08 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.55.145.130]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021229220003.GRMO18554.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:00:03 +1300 Message-ID: <003a01c2af85$b2ddd9b0$3a5236d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3E0F08EC.5925567B@att.net> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:58:46 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH summary of operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, The ZL6QH beacon transmission went without missing a beat on each of the last three nights. A DDS exciter was used for the last two nights, and it maintained very good timing of a Q ID starting on the hour, within a few seconds. Reception reports are still being worked through. Best DX for the three nights appears to be with Bill VE3IQ. Generally good results were reported from North America. No confirmed reports from Europe. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10678 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 21:45:04 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 21:45:04 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 2254 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 21:44:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 21:44:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SlEJ-0005Xo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:44:19 +0000 Received: from [216.136.175.39] (helo=web13303.mail.yahoo.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SlEI-0005Xf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:44:18 +0000 Message-ID: <20021229214405.41612.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.0.37] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:44:05 PST Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Silvers" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <36.351baaca.2b40c2d3@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Greetings Ray, How about trying http://www.airnav.com/navaids/ for starters? Happy Holidays de Mike KB6WFC --- RaySoifer@cs.com wrote: > Hi, > > By coincidence, this morning I did the same thing as KN4LF: a fairly > rapid > sweep looking for NDBs. With the help of AirNav I was able to > identify most > of them, but here are the ones for which I could not locate any > information. > Can anyone help? > > 226 IW > 230 YBM > 236 CN > 238 DCL > 241 EW > 250 YTJ > 258 NBY > 263 YGK > 268 RT > 331 HP > 332 LG > 335 YLD > 351 YKQ > 353 MG > 385 UR > 392 MM > > Not all of these were ground wave, as the sun had not yet come up at > my QTH > (FN20WW). > > 73, > > Ray, W2RS > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9493 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 21:29:56 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 21:29:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 12109 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Dec 2002 21:29:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 21:29:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Skyu-0005PA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:28:24 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.7] (helo=imo-m04.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Skyt-0005P1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:28:23 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.36.351baaca (4230) for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: <36.351baaca.2b40c2d3@cs.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:27:47 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: LF: More North American UNIDs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,NO_REAL_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi,

By coincidence, this morning I did the same thing as KN4LF: a fairly rapid sweep looking for NDBs.  With the help of AirNav I was able to identify most of them, but here are the ones for which I could not locate any information.  Can anyone help?

226 IW
230 YBM
236 CN
238 DCL
241 EW
250 YTJ
258 NBY
263 YGK
268 RT
331 HP
332 LG
335 YLD
351 YKQ
353 MG
385 UR
392 MM

Not all of these were ground wave, as the sun had not yet come up at my QTH (FN20WW).

73,

Ray, W2RS
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14147 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 20:51:10 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 20:51:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 26587 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 20:51:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 20:51:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SkP3-00057N-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:51:21 +0000 Received: from [208.181.178.237] (helo=neptune.imagenisp.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SkP2-00057E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:51:21 +0000 Received: from jsm ([204.244.17.104]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZQZAP1DF; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:54:34 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c2af7c$cd1e0f60$6811f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "HC-DX E-List" References: <000e01c2af79$f6865ea0$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:56:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: U.S. Aviation Beacon UNID's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,UPPERCASE_25_50,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > 217- AY 219 Waycross, GA > 236- RYD - 234 Green Cove Springs, FL > 338- FJ Fort Pierce, FL > 382- UCY ? Cuba 380 Cayojabo, CUBA > 393- JEP Possibly VEP (392) Vero Beach, FL > 410- TN Possibly TM (409) Taumarunui, GA > 11/06/97 11:32 pm 349 GW Greenwood, MS Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16817 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 20:40:03 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 20:40:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 28582 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 20:39:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 20:39:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SkBC-0004xj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SkBC-0004xZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.77] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id ACC11ACB0268; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:36:17 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01c2af79$f6865ea0$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" , "HC-DX E-List" Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:35:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: U.S. Aviation Beacon UNID's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0tests=SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I just finished conducting a ground wave band scan of CW air navigation beacons from west central Florida and logged 47. I logged a few new UNID's plus some old UNID's as they were not listed in the database on the website database of AirNav.com. Any help ID'ing these stations would be appreciated. 12/28/02- 217- AY 236- RYD 338- FJ 382- UCY ? Cuba 393- JEP 410- TN 9/29/97 8:52 pm 526 CYV 11/06/97 11:32 pm 349 GW 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS EL87WX Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm FL Meteorological & Climatic Institute: http://www.kn4lf.com/sub/fmci.htm Florida Daily WX Discussion: http://www.kn4lf.com/sub/fmci17.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14426 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 15:30:16 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 15:30:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6577 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 15:30:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 15:30:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SfO7-0003wp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:30:03 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SfO6-0003wg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:30:02 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBTFTxj01848 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:29:59 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:30:56 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <004801c2af14$5b9e4160$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Unsubscribing and other commands Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2, LINES_OF_YELLING_3,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I sent Les the instructions yesterday and even unsubscribed him from here. He should be history by now. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:29 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Unsubscribing and other commands > I again appeal to everyone on this list for help in unsubscribing from it! > This is my 5th request, so far they have gone without answer. > It is irresponsible to run a mailing list that does not include instructions > on how to remove yourself from it with every posting. It is VERY > irresponsible to not answer repeated requests from a list member > who wishes to be removed, nor to post such instructions on the > original web site. > Les Rayburn, N1LF Les, Sending anything to majordomo@blacksheep.org will produce the instructions shown below. This information will have been sent to you when you first subscribed. Note that I have nothing to do with the sysop. 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if specified) are on. who Find out who is on the named . info Retrieve the general introductory information for the named . intro Retrieve the introductory message sent to new users. Non-subscribers may not be able to retrieve this. lists Show the lists served by this Majordomo server. help Retrieve this message. end Stop processing commands (useful if your mailer adds a signature). Commands should be sent in the body of an email message to "Majordomo@blacksheep.org". Multiple commands can be processed provided each occurs on a separate line. Commands in the "Subject:" line are NOT processed. If you have any questions or problems, please contact "Majordomo-Owner@blacksheep.org". From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24577 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 14:38:50 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 14:38:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 19516 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 14:38:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 14:38:34 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SeZj-0003iq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:37:59 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SeZi-0003ih-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:37:59 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021229143914.EVEG336.host4@att.net>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:39:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0F08EC.5925567B@att.net> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:38:36 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "lowfer" Subject: LF: ZL6QH in NC 29dec02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Copy of ZL6QH in NC not as clear last night due to QRN from a few storms that popped up several hundred miles east of here. But I would say the signal strength was about the same as the two previous nights. Best capture looks to be just before sunrise: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/zl6qh/zl6qh29dec02j.jpg The three day series of captures are all in the directory at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/zl6qh/ Thanks for the effort Bob and the group. Great show! Dexter, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26258 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 14:04:29 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 14:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 22911 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 14:04:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 14:04:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Sdvo-0003VH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:56:44 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Sdvj-0003V8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:56:39 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.50]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021229135639.YLSY29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:56:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c2af42$16f2abe0$32e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:53:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Very strong signal from F6CWA and a nice signal from I5TGC earlier today.
G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29908 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 08:45:44 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 08:45:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 11727 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 08:45:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 08:45:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SZ4C-0002al-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:45:04 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SZ47-0002aa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:44:59 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.37]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021229084459.STKI29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:44:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c2af16$8c101240$25e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:32:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Bob
Nothing of importance seen this morning. At 0708 z a  couple of dits and a dash, maybe you were tuning up, most likely some qrm on the freq.Will look again around 1700 z
73 and gl de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16608 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 08:29:12 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 08:29:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 5401 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 08:28:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 08:28:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SYnj-0002SA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:28:03 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SYnj-0002S1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:28:03 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021229082802.SJMT4699.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:28:02 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c2af14$5b9e4160$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021228082942.01c11d58@highnoonfilm.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:29:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Unsubscribing and other commands Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=6.0tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,LINES_OF_YELLING_3, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > I again appeal to everyone on this list for help in unsubscribing from it! > This is my 5th request, so far they have gone without answer. > It is irresponsible to run a mailing list that does not include instructions > on how to remove yourself from it with every posting. 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Hi Bob /ZL2CA
I have sent you a shot of acty taken on your freq,  direct because its too big for the reflector.
See what you make of it. The freq is correct and the shift looks right and the time is also good for grey line. 0830 z and 1712 z. It was recorded at 60 sec dot and that could be the problem if you were transmitting at 120 sec dot.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29128 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 05:55:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 05:55:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19653 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 05:56:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 05:56:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SWQ6-0001sE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:55:30 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SWQ5-0001s3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 05:55:29 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021229055451.IOLL1199.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:54:51 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.86.37.129]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021229055446.USZQ29171.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:54:46 +1300 Message-ID: <000501c2aeff$1f1d42a0$812556d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20021227164557.1310.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:56:25 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, ZL6QH will be on again tonight, using the DDS exciter. The frequency shift is 0.424 Hz, dot length 120 seconds. Transmitted frequencies are (rounded to 0.1 Hz): hi = 137.7891 kHz lo = 137.7887 kHz This is the last night of the current beacon tests. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16062 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 03:41:37 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 03:41:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 16291 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 03:41:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 03:41:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SUGR-0008RB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:37:23 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SUGQ-0008R2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:37:22 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.68] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id ADC1E6B100AE; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:36:33 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c2aeeb$81f72300$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a Greyline Prop E-List" , "a RSGB LF E-List" , "a PSC E-List" , "a HCDX Prop Channel" Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:36:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: KN4LF 7 Day Medium Frequency Radio Propagation Outlook #2003-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=6.0tests=LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2,LINES_OF_YELLING_3, SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false KN4LF 7 Day Medium Frequency Radio Propagation Outlook #2003-01 Published 8:00 PM EST 02/12/28 For 02/12/28-03/01/03. PROPAGATION- Expect fair to good domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and poor to fair on north south paths in the northern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. Expect fair domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and poor on north south paths in the southern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. "High latitude" northern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be poor becoming fair. "High latitude" southern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be poor. "Mid latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair becoming good. "Mid latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. "Low latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be good. "Low latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. QRN- During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the northern hemisphere due to proximity of the Inter Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ). Northern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to occasionally high" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. Northern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "low to occasionally moderate" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the southern hemisphere tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to high" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "moderate" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Here are some general guidelines concerning correlation of space weather and propagation indices to actual expected HF/MF propagation conditions. 1.) Dropping indices numbers are better. 2.) Solar flux under 150 okay, under 100 better, 70 is best for E layer multi hop. 2a.) For high frequencies (HF) solar flux of 100 is okay, 150 better, above 200 best. 3.) Solar flux of at least 100 for E valley-F layer ducting mechanism. 4.) Previous 24 hour Ap index under 10, under 7 for several days consecutively is best. 5.) Previous 3 hour Kp index under 3 for mid latitude paths, under 2 for high latitude paths, 0-1 for several days consecutively is best. 6.) Energetic protons no greater then 10 MeV (10+0) for 160/120 meters and no greater then (10-1) on MF broadcast band. 7.) Background x-ray flux levels less than C2 for several days consecutively for 160/120 meters and less then C1 for MF broadcast band. 8.) No current STRATWARM alert. 9.) IMF Bz with a negative sign, indicates a better chance of high latitude path auroral absorption/unpredictable refraction or scattering of MF RF signals, when the Kp is above 3. SPACE WEATHER INDICES DURING THE PAST 7 DAY PERIOD, SPACE WEATHER INDICES EXPECTED DURING THE 7 DAY OUTLOOK PERIOD AND EXPLANATIONS OF THEIR IMPACT ON ANTICIPATED PROPAGATION CONDITIONS. ENERGETIC PROTON FLUX- During the previous 7 day period no elevated energetic proton flux events of >10 MeV (10+0) occurred. During the 7 day outlook period the probability of an elevated energetic proton flux event >10 MeV (10+0) is placed at 10%. An elevated energetic proton flux level greater then (10+0) on 160 meters and greater then (10-1) on the medium frequency broadcast band creates noticeably increased winter time day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium wave frequencies, especially on high latitude propagation paths but it can also negatively impact mid latitudes, depending on the intensity of the event. Elevated energetic proton events too small to be categorized as a Polar Cap Absorption event (PCA) can still impact high and mid level medium frequency propagation paths in the form of excessive D layer absorption. This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. ((((Note, high latitude medium frequency radio propagation paths can still be disturbed for days and up to weeks, following the end of an official >10 MeV (10+0) proton event.)))) SOLAR FLUX- During the previous 7 day period the daily solar flux levels ranged between 198 and 115. The 115 is the lowest daily solar flux value to occur since September 1999! During the outlook period the daily solar flux values should range between approximately 150 and 110. Elevated background X-ray flux levels can impact propagation of medium frequency signals in a negative manner. Background X-ray flux levels of C1 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of 160 and 120 meter signals and B9 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of AM broadcast band signals. High solar flux values are generally considered to be detrimental to propagation of medium frequency signals both domestic and Trans Atlantic (TA) & Trans Pacific (TP), as more absorption can be present via the transmitted signals' two trips through the D layer at the takeoff and arrival points. Most "strong" longer haul medium frequency DX signals in excess of 3000 miles is via the E Valley-F layer ducting and/or Chordal Hop propagation modes. Therefore high solar flux values can aid in long haul medium frequency propagation paths in excess of 3000 miles, as a high solar flux value ensures a strong F layer part of the E Valley-F layer duct or Chordal Hop propagation mechanism. However high solar activity in the form of increased ionization created by Ultraviolet and X-Ray radiation can fill in the E Valley region and interfere with the E Valley-F layer ducting mechanism. In a sense the E Valley-F layer duct is closed on one or both ends of a propagation path and the transmitted MF RF signal only propagates between the E layer and land/ocean surface, with a higher angle and more loss. SOLAR FLARES & SUNSPOT GROUP REGIONS- During the previous 7 day period only one M class solar flares occurred. Ths was an M1.1 solar flare on 02/12/22 at 0244-0304 UTC. Amazingly no sunspot regions currently harbor even beta-gamma class magnetic signatures that would harbor energy for large M class solar flares. Only isolated M class solar flares are possible. Solar flare forecast during the seven day period. C- 100% M- 30% X- 01% A C4 or higher class solar flare "can" elevate the proton flux above 10 MeV (10+0) and initiate large scale high and mid latitude propagation path absorption on the AM broadcast band, 160 and 120 meters, both stateside and DX, as a transfer of increased density and RF signal absorption from the day side D layer to night side of the ionosphere occurs through high level neutral winds. Unfortunately even smaller C3 solar flares can create hour to hour and night to night variations in signal strength on medium frequencies. High and mid latitude Trans Atlantic (TA) and Trans Pacific (TP) propagation paths tend to open up after a significant period of time passes without an elevated energetic proton event of >10 MeV (10+0). This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. Openings also occur when the solar background x-ray level falls back to below C2 for 160 and 120 meters and below C1 for the AM broadcast band. CORONAL MASS EJECTIONS/IONOSPHERIC STORMS/VISIBLE AURORA- During the previous 7 day period no geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejections occurred. During the outlook period the probability of a geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is placed at 10%. During the previous 7 day period a large recurring Coronal Hole was in a geo-effective (Earth facing) position. It's related Solar Wind Stream impacted the (IMF), for and extended period of time with a Kp index of 4 (Active) to 5 (Minor Storm), peaking at 6 (Moderate Storm) on 02/12/27. During the outlook period the above mentioned large Coronal Hole will remain in geo-effective (Earth facing) position and it's related Solar Wind Stream will continue to impact the (IMF) for another 48-72 more hours. The following related geomagnetic conditions will occur: During the outlook period the probability of unsettled (Kp-3) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 100%. During the outlook period the probability of active (Kp-4) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 90%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a minor ionospheric storm (Kp-5)(G1) is placed at 60%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a moderate ionospheric storm (Kp-6)(G2) is placed at 30%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a strong ionospheric storm (Kp-7+)(G3+) is placed at 20%. G5 = Extreme - Kp = 9 G4 = Severe - Kp = 8 G3 = Strong - Kp = 7 G2 = Moderate - Kp = 6 G1 = Minor - Kp = 5 Active - Kp = 4 Unsettled - Kp = 3 During the outlook period the probability of a visible high latitude Aurora display is placed at 100%, mid latitude 60%. The Aurora Index at 1812 UTC 02/12/28 is a 7. The NOAA POES historical database that was used to construct statistical patterns of auroral power flux for each of the 10 levels of auroral activity as defined by total power dissipation as illustrated in the following table. Total Power Dissipation in Gigawatts/Activity Index Kp Index/Aurora Index 04-06/3/1+ 10-16/5/2+ 24-39/7/3+ 61-96/9/5- On 02/12/28 at 2046 UTC the Bz was 1.8 nt south. The Wang-Sheeley Interplanetary Magnetic Field (IMF) Model which predicts the Sun's IMF polarity, forecasts a positive (+) polarity between 02/12/28-03/01/03. When the polarity of the IMF is negative a visible mid latitude Aurora display is likely when a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. When the polarity of the IMF is positive a visible mid latitude Aurora display is unlikely as a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. A Geomagnetic or Ionospheric Storm is a worldwide disturbance of the earth's magnestosphere induced by the Sun's interplanetary magnetic field (IMF), distinct from regular diurnal variations. A Coronal Mass Ejection is the name given to an ejection of a large amount of matter from the Sun's outer atmosphere or corona. These ejections typically comprise millions of tons of material in the form of charged particles, and can be seen because the material reflects sunlight. When one of these ejections is directed towards the Earth (or conversely, directly away from the Earth), it looks like a roughly circular "halo" surrounding the Sun. The "Halo CME's" then are those CME's which are more likely to impact the Earth than those which are shot out at right angles to the Earth-Sun line. Energetic protons emitted during CME's play a major role in increased day time and night-time D-layer absorption of mediumwave frequencies. Coronal Mass Ejections were once thought to be completely initiated by solar flares. However it is now known that many (CME's) are not associated with Solar Flares. If a (CME) collides with the Earth, it can excite a Geomagnetic Storm if the polarity of the IMF has a negative sign. We must be vigilant in watching for geoeffective (CME's), in order to not be caught by surprise with a seemingly sudden and unexpected Geomagnetic Storm. As the Kp index reaches 3-4, the aurora oval begins expanding equatorward in magnetic latitude and generally begins having a negative impact on high latitude medium frequency propagation paths. A Kp index of 5 or higher begins to have a negative impact on high latitude high frequency shortwave propagation paths. However at times skewed path propagation conditions can compensate for high latitude propagation path auroral absorption. STRATOSPHERIC WARMING- During the outlook period increased winter like day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium frequency signals tied to stratospheric warming in the northern hemisphere is possible, due to a large scale movement of Arctic air across the North Pole from Siberian Russia into Canada. In the nearer term of 7-14 days we will return to a negative North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and Positive West Negative East (PNA) upper air height anomaly pattern. This means a big ridge in the west all the way into the Yukon region of Canada and a deep trough in the eastern U.S.down into the Yucatan region of Mexico and another ridge in the western North Atlantic Ocean. This pattern is also called a dual blocking ridge. This pattern taps Siberian Arctic air across the North Pole and sends it rushing south, increasing the chances of stratospheric warming. As the stratosphere lies below the ionosphere, which is at mesosphere and thermosphere height, you would not expect to see stratospheric warming effect medium frequency propagation in any way BUT medium frequency signals do propagate off of temperature inversions and moisture discontinuities and a temperature inversion is involved with stratospheric warming. So it's probable that a medium frequency signal could do any number of things when scattering off of a temperature inversion, at any height. Unfortunately though some otherwise very knowledgeable Physicists stubbornly resist this concept. Also stratospheric warming (STRATWARM) has a negative effect on medium frequency propagation, due to increasing medium frequency radio wave absorption by the D layer, via upward propagating Internal Gravity Waves (IGW). This phenomenon also occurs in southern hemisphere winter but seems to be less pronounced. 73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF/NNN0HUS-T Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14032 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 21:56:43 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 21:56:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 26741 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 21:56:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 21:56:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SOvv-0007XE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:55:51 +0000 Received: from [216.136.173.222] (helo=web13310.mail.yahoo.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SOvu-0007X5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:55:51 +0000 Message-ID: <20021228215548.63264.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.86.1.116] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:55:48 PST Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Silvers" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, MSGBOARD@LWCA.ORG, lofexp@yahoogroups.com, ndblist@beaconworld.co.uk In-reply-to: <3E0E1A6D.7030306@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH agn on 02Dec28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Alberto (& Mike WE0H), Silly me, I remember all the discussion on the reflectors but forgot to upgrade. TU 4 pointing that out. I will upgrade today. Oh, BTW, my salutation should have read: Happy Holidays de Mike KB6WFC Daly City, CA USA CM87sq 37:40:26N 122:28:32W **RX: HP3586B (20Hz filter mode) & WWVB calibrated Argo** ANT: AA7U Steve Ratzlaff active (8' LORAN-C) whip, base @ 16' http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/kb6wfcwebsite.html --- Alberto di Bene wrote: > Michael Silvers wrote: > > >Season's Greetings, > > > >Mo' ZL6QH pix: > >http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122800001.jpg > >I don't know what's happened here at ~2:14:34 local time, see: > >http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122800002.jpg > > > > > > > Michael, > what happened is the reason why Argo build 130 (the version you > are > using) > has been superceeded by build 131. Please upgrade (the cost is very > reasonable ;-) > and that problem will disappear. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 766 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 21:41:24 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 21:41:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 9111 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 21:41:05 -0000 Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (66.218.66.71) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 21:41:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1152098-717-1041111666-zlvk=picks.force9.co.uk@returns.groups.yahoo.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2002 21:41:06 -0000 X-Sender: dibene@usa.net X-Apparently-To: lofexp@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 28 Dec 2002 21:41:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 3687 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 21:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2002 21:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.110) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 21:41:04 -0000 Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.136) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 21:41:04 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.167.116] by (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 297gLbVO80308Mxx; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:41:00 GMT Message-ID: <3E0E1A6D.7030306@usa.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, MSGBOARD@LWCA.ORG, lofexp@yahoogroups.com, ndblist@beaconworld.co.uk References: <20021228212502.41030.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Yahoo-Profile: adibene MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lofexp@yahoogroups.com; contact lofexp-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:41:01 +0100 Subject: [lofexp] Re: LF: ZL6QH agn on 02Dec28 Reply-To: lofexp@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Michael Silvers wrote: >Season's Greetings, > >Mo' ZL6QH pix: >http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122800001.jpg >I don't know what's happened here at ~2:14:34 local time, see: >http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122800002.jpg > > > Michael, what happened is the reason why Argo build 130 (the version you are using) has been superceeded by build 131. Please upgrade (the cost is very reasonable ;-) and that problem will disappear. 73 Alberto I2PHD Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4656 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 20:54:30 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 20:54:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 18519 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 20:54:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 20:54:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SNxv-0007Gc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:53:51 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SNxu-0007GT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:53:50 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021228205318.EXU1188.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:53:18 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.47.167]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021228205315.QULS15912.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:53:15 +1300 Message-ID: <001e01c2aeb3$2fa2e9a0$a72f56d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c2aea8$0e45f640$89d0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:52:45 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=6.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Mal,
 
ZL6QH went on transmitting well into daylight this morning.  Our sunrise was nominally 1650 UTC.
 
Do you have a screen capture of what you received?  If so please email to me as an attachment.
 
Cheers for now,
 
Bob
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Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 8:18 AM
Subject: LF: ZL6QH

HI Bob
I was able to copy a fsk signal about 1712 utc with a shift of around 0.5 hz were you transmitting at that time. I had the signal some 15 minutes before that time. I had to go out and when I came back the signal had gone. The signal was weak but the trace was good, and I could not really make any real sense of it but it was keyed, could see gaps and the freq was correct. Could be something else.
Let me know if you were on air at that time.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5163 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:53:59 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:53:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 23897 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:53:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:53:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SN1Q-0006zR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:53:24 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.18] (helo=mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SN1Q-0006z7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:53:24 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 13983854 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:52:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c2aeaa$babb36e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <000301c2ada0$dabd3200$0600a8c0@charter.net> <000801c2ae92$46993860$5811f4cc@jsm> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:53:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH - VE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Steve, > Here is the last capture including the dawn dropout. Please note that my R75 > inverts the audio so the 'dits' are above the dashes. As well, the clock is > 5 minutes fast. Good copy. Of course the 120 second slow screen does make the "Q" a little tough to distinguish. BTW - I run my R75 in CW Reverse mode, and the frequency inversion is righted. Be sure to recalibrate the frequency, though, as it does shift slightly. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30745 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:49:55 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:49:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 15732 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:49:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:49:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SMxJ-0006tw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:49:09 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SMxJ-0006tn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:49:09 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-67.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.67] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18SMx6-0009UU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:48:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2aeaa$6bc45ee0$43ce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c2ae5f$9f602680$d4c863d5@BI57429bankinter> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:50:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Hell of a signal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060007000307090907080303" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060007000307090907080303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Came across DF6NM in QSO with RU6LA using Hellscreiber. Gave him a call and the following resulted. The blank bit at the beginning is my transmission. 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19:44:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SMsI-0006q3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:43:58 +0000 Received: from [208.181.178.237] (helo=neptune.imagenisp.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SMsH-0006pu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:43:57 +0000 Received: from jsm ([204.244.17.84]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZQZA3A8X; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:47:22 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c2aeaa$3d343460$5411f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <000301c2ada0$dabd3200$0600a8c0@charter.net> <000801c2ae92$46993860$5811f4cc@jsm> <001001c2aea8$0d31c720$89d0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:49:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: ZL6QH - VE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mal...can you send me a jpeg of your screen capture. Perhaps I can tell you more. I believe they stopped transmitting at 1730Z Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 643 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:35:12 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:35:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4216 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:34:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:34:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SMik-0006jR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:34:06 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SMik-0006jI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:34:06 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.208.137]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021228193405.NHIW21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:34:05 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c2aea8$0e45f640$89d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:18:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
HI Bob
I was able to copy a fsk signal about 1712 utc with a shift of around 0.5 hz were you transmitting at that time. I had the signal some 15 minutes before that time. I had to go out and when I came back the signal had gone. The signal was weak but the trace was good, and I could not really make any real sense of it but it was keyed, could see gaps and the freq was correct. Could be something else.
Let me know if you were on air at that time.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18262 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:35:10 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:35:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 2371 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 19:34:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 19:34:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SMij-0006jE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:34:05 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SMii-0006j5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:34:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.208.137]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021228193403.NHII21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:34:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2aea8$0d31c720$89d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <000301c2ada0$dabd3200$0600a8c0@charter.net> <000801c2ae92$46993860$5811f4cc@jsm> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:39:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH - VE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McDonald" To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: LF: ZL6QH - VE7 > Copied the best signals yet from ZL6QH last night. Their signal showed up at > 0833Z, shortly after midnight and was strong all night, peaking shortly > before sunrise. It abruptly faded about 10 minutes after sunrise (just > before the large noise burst visible on the screen capture). I was rather > surprised at the strength of their signal since LF condx here have been > terrible to say the least. For the past 2 nights (including last night) I > have not been able to hear a trace of anything east of Manitoba (VE4) with > respect to NDB prop indicators. My usual Ontario powerhouses are nowhere to > be found. Apparently the Pacific path is not overly affected by the present > coronal hole stream impacting E-W propagation from here. > > Here is the last capture including the dawn dropout. Please note that my R75 > inverts the audio so the 'dits' are above the dashes. As well, the clock is > 5 minutes fast. > > http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm/ZL6QH%2012%2028.jpg > > Steve / VE7SL Hello Steve. What you were receiving looks like the gibberish that I received at about the same time this morning, not really very legible except you have a lot of imagination, but the acty was on the ZL frequency. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18255 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 17:59:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:59:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 24296 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 17:59:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:59:25 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SLBi-0006Lp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:55:54 +0000 Received: from [62.108.119.250] (helo=ns.pyrotherm.co.yu) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SLBd-0006Lg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:55:52 +0000 Received: from TB1200 ([62.108.119.73]) by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id gBSIrj308025 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:53:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:55:08 +0100 From: "YU7AR" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <15788.021228@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: "hamilton mal" In-reply-to: <000d01c2ae96$e29777a0$49d1fc3e@l8p8y6> References: <000d01c2ae96$e29777a0$49d1fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: YU7AR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello hamilton, Saturday, December 28, 2002, 6:30:27 PM, you wrote: hm> YU7AR is my best DX heard from Europe at 1727.9Km (1074 miles) according to the Buckmaster call book info. hm> Last night at 2142 z hm> DL3FDO YU7AR OOO K OOO copy with me but some qsb on sig. 137.7 khz QRS. hm> DL3FDO did not respond. hm> The Russian signal RU6LA was the strongest on the band at RST 579 audible and OOO visual. hm> maybe this falls into the category of Europe also. hm> 73 de Mal/G3KEV Hi Mal, Yes I CFM this transmision, last night ! Best 73 and HNY Teo. YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16781 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 17:49:04 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:49:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 21824 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Dec 2002 17:49:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:49:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SL4X-0006HS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:48:29 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.40] (helo=imo-d08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SL4S-0006HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:48:24 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.188.1358d342 (3850) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:47:48 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <188.1358d342.2b3f3dc4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:47:48 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: RU6LA keying Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Ed and all,

now in darkness around 17:26, on 137700 you are abt 9dBµV/m, 21dB stronger than during the 20W-ERP afternoon session. Between the dashes, the idle carrier is clearly visible some 14dB or so below keydown level, an interesting feature reminiscent of SAQ's 17kHz magnetic-switch keyer.

73 es have fun

Markus
DF6NM, JN59NK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10334 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 17:39:11 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:39:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 18100 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Dec 2002 17:39:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:39:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SKv3-0006Bj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:38:41 +0000 Received: from [213.228.0.169] (helo=postfix3-2.free.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SKv3-0006Ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:38:41 +0000 Received: from veronique (toulouse-2-a7-62-147-38-232.dial.proxad.net [62.147.38.232]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CE0DC081 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:38:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c2ae98$efbb80a0$0696ffbe@veronique> From: "f5maf" To: "VLF Group" Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:45:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: F6CWA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Group, Strong signal in QRSS mode from F6CWA. Signal audible (S2) on my TS570DG with my LF antenna not erected (bad WX). Hat capacitor at 1.5 m on the ground! 73 Marc F5MAF --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 25/12/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 796 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 17:32:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:32:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 12222 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 17:31:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 17:31:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SKno-000660-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:31:12 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SKno-00065r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:31:12 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.209.73]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021228173111.TAHV21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:31:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2ae96$e29777a0$49d1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:30:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: YU7AR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
YU7AR is my best DX heard from Europe at 1727.9Km (1074 miles) according to the Buckmaster call book info.
Last night at 2142 z
DL3FDO YU7AR OOO K               OOO copy with me but some qsb on sig. 137.7 khz QRS. 
DL3FDO did not respond.
 
The Russian signal RU6LA was the strongest on the band at RST 579 audible and OOO visual.
maybe this falls into the category of Europe also.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28242 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 16:53:03 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 16:53:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12759 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 16:52:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 16:52:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SKCI-0005ws-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:52:26 +0000 Received: from [208.181.178.237] (helo=neptune.imagenisp.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SKCI-0005wj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:52:26 +0000 Received: from jsm ([204.244.17.88]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZQZAN5TB; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:55:50 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c2ae92$46993860$5811f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <000301c2ada0$dabd3200$0600a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:57:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH - VE7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Copied the best signals yet from ZL6QH last night. Their signal showed up at 0833Z, shortly after midnight and was strong all night, peaking shortly before sunrise. It abruptly faded about 10 minutes after sunrise (just before the large noise burst visible on the screen capture). I was rather surprised at the strength of their signal since LF condx here have been terrible to say the least. For the past 2 nights (including last night) I have not been able to hear a trace of anything east of Manitoba (VE4) with respect to NDB prop indicators. My usual Ontario powerhouses are nowhere to be found. Apparently the Pacific path is not overly affected by the present coronal hole stream impacting E-W propagation from here. Here is the last capture including the dawn dropout. Please note that my R75 inverts the audio so the 'dits' are above the dashes. As well, the clock is 5 minutes fast. http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm/ZL6QH%2012%2028.jpg Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23964 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 16:48:03 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 16:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18481 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 16:47:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 16:47:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SK7L-0005tI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:47:19 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SK7G-0005t9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:47:14 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.95.16]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021228164713.HJJE5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:47:13 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c2ae91$77250140$105f89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021228082942.01c11d58@highnoonfilm.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:52:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Audio problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: Les Rayburn To: Sent: 28 December 2002 14:33 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Audio problem > > I again appeal to everyone on this list for help in unsubscribing from it! > This is my 5th request, so far they have gone without answer. > > Unfortunately, if I do not receive instructions on how to remove myself > from this list, I will begin spamming it with large amounts of nonsense > postings daily until I am able to get the attention of whomever > administers it! > > It is irresponsible to run a mailing list that does not include instructions > on how to remove yourself from it with every posting. It is VERY > irresponsible to not answer repeated requests from a list member > who wishes to be removed, nor to post such instructions on the > original web site. > > I do not wish to take drastic action, nor do I wish to continue receiving > dozens of postings daily that have no bearing on LF experimentation > in the US. > > Please, I appeal, again for help. send e-mail to majordomo@blacksheep.org with the message unsubscribe rsgb_lf_group Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19555 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 16:11:51 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 16:11:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 12066 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 16:11:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 16:11:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SJYB-0005gl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:10:59 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SJYB-0005gc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:10:59 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.137]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021228161058.KJJP21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:10:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2ae8b$ad735860$89e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:10:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL acty Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I was monitoring the ZL freq early this morning and did see some acty but all the dots/dashes etc were very close together what ever speed I selected so I was not able to make any sense of the transmission but there was definite keying, the signal eventually faded out. Is there some unique spacing or what ?
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18899 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 14:33:49 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 14:33:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 8036 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 14:34:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 14:34:18 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SI2C-0005Nv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:33:52 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.13] (helo=dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SI27-0005Nm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:33:47 +0000 Received: from [24.196.25.84] (HELO upstairs.highnoonfilm.com) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 62754391 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:33:16 -0500 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021228082942.01c11d58@highnoonfilm.com> X-Sender: les@highnoonfilm.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:33:24 -0600 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Les Rayburn" In-reply-to: <002001c2ae71$d0c4efa0$ed24fb3e@compaq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Audio problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I again appeal to everyone on this list for help in unsubscribing from it! This is my 5th request, so far they have gone without answer. Unfortunately, if I do not receive instructions on how to remove myself from this list, I will begin spamming it with large amounts of nonsense postings daily until I am able to get the attention of whomever administers it! It is irresponsible to run a mailing list that does not include instructions on how to remove yourself from it with every posting. It is VERY irresponsible to not answer repeated requests from a list member who wishes to be removed, nor to post such instructions on the original web site. I do not wish to take drastic action, nor do I wish to continue receiving dozens of postings daily that have no bearing on LF experimentation in the US. Please, I appeal, again for help. 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF Les Rayburn, director High Noon Film 100 Centerview Drive Suite 111 Birmingham, AL 35216 (205) 824-8930 (205) 824-8960 FAX (205) 253-4867 CELL http://www.highnoonfilm.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5842 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 14:14:11 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 14:14:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 15120 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 14:13:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 14:13:57 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SHiF-0005Ga-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:13:15 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SHiE-0005GR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:13:14 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021228141401.FFFP432.host3@att.net> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0DB1A4.E2CB2712@att.net> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:13:56 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: RU6LA not seen in NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false So signal detected from RU6LA last night. There was a signal on the 0530 capture at approximately 135922.35. I believe this is noise as I recall often seeing activity on this freq. But if by change someone wants to claim it here is the capture: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/unk28dec02.jpg Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19966 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 13:34:38 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 13:34:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 15210 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Dec 2002 13:34:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 13:34:22 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SH60-00059C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:33:44 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SH5z-000593-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:33:44 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021228133431.EWXV432.host3@att.net>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:34:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0DA861.441C0468@att.net> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:34:25 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "lowfer" Subject: LF: ZL6QH again on 28Dec02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Great signal again last night from ZL6QH on 137 kHz. I used the Argo QRSS60 mode this time to get more spacing between the elements but the signal was so strong smearing still happen. I believe QRSS10 or even Jason may have been Q5 at times. One of the best captures from last night can be seen at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/zl6qh/zl6qh28dec02f.jpg The whole overnight series are posted in a directory at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/zl6qh/ W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15961 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 13:07:18 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 13:07:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 26527 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 13:07:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 13:07:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SGfR-00051u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:06:17 +0000 Received: from [62.251.0.13] (helo=smtp.hccnet.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SGfQ-00051l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:06:16 +0000 Received: from compaq by smtp.hccnet.nl via uds237-36.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.36.237] with SMTP id OAA28948 (8.8.8/1.13); Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:06:10 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002001c2ae71$d0c4efa0$ed24fb3e@compaq> From: "j.l.j. harte" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Dick Rollema" Cc: "Gerrit Jan Huijsman" , "Hans Evers" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:30:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Audio problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,MAILTO_LINK, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To All from PA0HRT.
 
May be I can offer a PC or a soundcard that is not able to cope with the Binster program.
It is a Compaq LTE5300, W98, soundcard ESS1688. (If that is not the name of the soundcard, I have revealed my very limited knowledge of PC's).
 
The Binster program has a nice waterfall picture so the incoming part is working and the loudspeaker gives the incoming signal, clearly without any processing. Changing the passband on Binster has no influence.
Ticking the WAVE on the Volume Control  panel has no influence on the sound from the speaker. Even without clicking any possible input the incoming sound from the receiver to the line input is heard and that does not change when WAVE is ticked. Only ticking the Suppress All box mutes the loudspeaker.
 
I have checked all settings of the soundcard with a SETUP for this card taken from internet and see no deviations.
 
Any comments are welcome, thanks in advance.
 
73, Jan, PA0HRT
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Dick Rollema <d.w.rollema@freeler.nl>
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
CC: Jan Harte <jan.harte@hccnet.nl>; Gerrit Jan Huijsman <gj.huijsman@planet.nl>; Hans Evers <HansEver@aol.com>
Datum: dinsdag 24 december 2002 15:04
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: Audio problem

To All from PA0SE

As so often Jim, M0BMU, came up with the  right  solution.
He wrote:

The "volume control" display seems to vary with different sound cards and drivers. It does not always show all the controls, but if you click on "options - properties", you get a list headed "show the following volume controls", and you can click on the tick-boxes to enable displays of all the controls. If you then click on the "mute" tick-boxes of all the controls except the master volume control, and the "Wave" output, that seems to disable all signal paths except the one coming from the DSP software - well, at least it does on the computers I have tried...

Indeed, muting all controls except WAVE and MASTER VOLUME did the trick.

Jim, I am certainly not the only you did a great favour!

Many thanks on behalf of them all!

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12372 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 9561 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 12:00:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 12:00:55 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SFde-0004ok-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:00:22 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [62.108.119.250] (helo=ns.pyrotherm.co.yu) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SFdd-0004ob-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:00:21 +0000 Received: from TB1200 ([62.108.119.73]) by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id gBSCwU302800 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:58:30 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:59:53 +0100 From: "YU7AR" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <4541.021228@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: "YU7AR" In-reply-to: <8528.021228@pyrotherm.co.yu> References: <8528.021228@pyrotherm.co.yu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu id gBSCwU302800 Subject: Re[2]: LF: RU6LA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello YU7AR, Saturday, December 28, 2002, 12:41:07 PM, you wrote: Y> Hello José, Y> Saturday, December 28, 2002, 11:55:18 AM, you wrote: JM>> Hi all: JM>> Can anyone tell me if RU6LA is transmitting on 137700-QRSS60 now? JM>> 73 José, EA1PX Y> Hi Jose, Y> RU6LA , to-day after 15:00 transmit qrss. Hi Jose again, Sory ,I look on 137.7 now, Ed transmit qrss60 here is "o" qrss3 after 15:00 -- , 73 Teo YU7AR mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8005 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 11:55:43 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 11:55:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 5029 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 11:55:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 11:55:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SFYR-0004lW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:54:59 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.105] (helo=imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SFYR-0004lN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:54:59 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.9c.2b7f4a9f (4459) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 06:54:25 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.2b7f4a9f.2b3eeaf1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 06:54:25 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: RU6LA activity Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=6.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_50_70,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jose,

yes, I am currently (ie 11:40) seeing RU6LA with 65s dots on 137699.5, "O" abt -12dBµV/m in JN59NK.

73 es gl
Markus, DF6NM

jpradoes@telefonica.net:

Hi all:
Can anyone tell me if RU6LA is transmitting on 137700-QRSS60 now?
73 José, EA1PX


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15980 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 11:41:36 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 11:41:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 1792 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 11:42:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 11:42:05 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SFLU-0004gw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:41:36 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [62.108.119.250] (helo=ns.pyrotherm.co.yu) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SFLS-0004gn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:41:35 +0000 Received: from TB1200 ([62.108.119.73]) by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id gBSCdi302382 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:39:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:41:07 +0100 From: "YU7AR" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: pyrotherm X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <8528.021228@pyrotherm.co.yu> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= In-reply-to: <002001c2ae5f$9f602680$d4c863d5@BI57429bankinter> References: <002001c2ae5f$9f602680$d4c863d5@BI57429bankinter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ns.pyrotherm.co.yu id gBSCdi302382 Subject: Re: LF: RU6LA activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello José, Saturday, December 28, 2002, 11:55:18 AM, you wrote: JM> Hi all: JM> Can anyone tell me if RU6LA is transmitting on 137700-QRSS60 now? JM> 73 José, EA1PX Hi Jose, RU6LA , to-day after 15:00 transmit qrss. -- Best regards, YU7AR Teo mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29976 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 11:13:55 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 11:13:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 20839 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 11:13:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 11:13:40 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SEtx-0004Zi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:13:09 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.80] (helo=mailout01.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SEtx-0004ZZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:13:09 +0000 Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18SEtx-0007EE-00; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:13:09 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.224.52.38]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18SEtn-0P1iz2C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:12:59 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008c01c2adf1$09fb8f80$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> <18S2rB-1Nwsm8C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:12:59 +0100 Message-ID: <18SEtn-0P1iz2C@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Signal report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=6.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false jannsen schrieb: > José Manuel schrieb: > > Hi all: > > > > Identified now RU6LA with "M" signals. > > > > 73, José - EA1PX - loc IN53TI > > > Hi Jose es all, > > my report from today btwn 2135 and 2154utc: > > RU6LA 137,6994 kHz -59dB > DL0WD 137,6987 kHz -52dB > DL3FDO 137,6886 kHz -61dB > G3LDO 137,7297 kHz -69dB > > noise: -85 to 90dB. > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx > Hi all, pse read DF0WD instead of DL0WD. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12272 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 10:56:21 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 10:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18824 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 10:56:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 10:56:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SEd3-0004Tt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:55:41 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.150] (helo=telesmtp3.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SEcz-0004Tk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:55:37 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.212]) by telesmtp3.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H7TT0O00.B1P for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:55:36 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c2ae5f$9f602680$d4c863d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:55:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LA activity Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all:
 
Can anyone tell me if RU6LA is transmitting on 137700-QRSS60 now?
 
73 José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22047 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 10:20:52 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 10:20:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28942 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 10:20:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 10:20:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SE4g-0004NL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:20:10 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.35] (helo=imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SE4g-0004N7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:20:10 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.44.2b6f8c7a (3972) for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:19:36 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <44.2b6f8c7a.2b3ed4b7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:19:35 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: LF: RU6LA activities on Friday Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=6.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Ed and group,

Thanks for the activity from Machta, and glad to have worked you from DF0WD with 90mW ERP.

Sorry for being so close to RU6LA's TX frequency during my QSO with I5TGC. My intention was to stay at least 15 Hz clear off RU6LA him but my TX system fooled me (I was using CW for receive and USB to transmit, and the audio "pitch" was improperly set). Anyway Ed had such a strong signal here in northern DL so my transmission should not have done any harm to others trying to copy him.


Apart from this, there was not even the faintest trace from ZL6QH earlier. But condx were not favourable here, lots of QRN almost like summer time (no wonder: temperatures exceeded PLUS 10 °C which is very unusual for the season).

Good luck and HNY to all,
Regards,
 Wolf

DL4YHF / DF0WD
Loc: JO42FD . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6679 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 09:48:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 09:48:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15208 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 09:47:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 09:47:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18SDVe-0004Ek-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:43:58 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18SDVe-0004Eb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:43:58 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.151]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021228094357.TUKS29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:43:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2ae55$9c495520$97e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:43:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 136 qrs Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Friday evening very QRL on 137.7 khz QRS.
RU6LA very strong audible 579 visual OOO stronger than G3LDO the only UK station active.
 
YU7AR visual MMM noticeable QSB on signal. Working FDO, gave him OOO K but FDO did not reply. Time 2142/2147 utc.
 
Several others active from around Europe.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV and a Happy New Year to all.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16372 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 05:03:19 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 05:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 8642 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 05:03:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 05:03:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S971-0003Rk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:02:15 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S970-0003PY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 05:02:14 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.206.171] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A02DCFD601D8; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:01:33 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c2ae2e$3667dbe0$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:01:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LA "M" In FL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0tests=SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I began reading RU6LA with his "M" signal on 135921.8 here in central Florida between 0315-0500 UTC. SIgnal level varied between -76 and -101 db. Here is and ARGO screen capture at: http://www.kn4lf.com/RU6LA_M.jpg 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/26/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9496 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 03:53:28 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 03:53:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 19286 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 03:53:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 03:53:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S825-00036z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:53:05 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S824-00036q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 03:53:04 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.206.171] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AFF7F952020C; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:52:23 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c2ae24$8ca56360$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:52:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LA With "M" Signal In FL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0tests=SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I'm reading RU6LA with his "M" signal at -101 db on 135921.8 here in central Florida for the past 45 minutes. 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11824 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 02:35:05 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 02:35:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 9797 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 02:35:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 02:35:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S6nt-0002se-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:34:21 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S6nt-0002sV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:34:21 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.206.171] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AD84BB54023A; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:33:40 -0600 Message-ID: <008e01c2ae19$8dc97200$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c2adb2$7c500c80$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> <3E0C8F57.5030606@usa.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:33:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: ZL6QH test Dec27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Alberto, My BFO offset is 700 hz. I used a broadcast station on 620 kc for ARGO frequency calibration. I'm using a Yaesu FT-990 so can't tune under 100 kc for WWVB. I had to use and actual offset of 650 hz VS 700 hz to make the 620 kc carrier at exactly 700 hz on the top horizontal scale. Now I presume I should find RU6LA sending QRSS60 on 135921.8 Hz, somewhere around 700 hz on the top horizontal scale?! Or place 135921.8 kz minus 650 hz equals 135921.15 kc in the offset box under calibration then RU6LA should show up near 135921.15 khz on the top horizontal scale. Correct? If he is using 60 dots/secs should I set it at 60 or something higher like 120 dot/secs for bettere reception? 73, Thomas Giella, KN4LF Plant City, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: ZL6QH test Dec27 > Thomas Giella, KN4LF wrote: > > > I must have done my frequency scale calibration wrong as I received > >nothing here. I left the "Measured" and "Displayed" > >columns with the default 1000 in them and placed 13770891 in the offset box, > >as my BFO offset is 700 hz. Was this wrong? > >I'm still learning how to use Argo. > > > > > > > Thomas, > you did forget the decimal point. > If I read correctly, you typed 13770891, but you should have typed > 137708.91 (note the point) > And, in any case, the value to specify in the offset field is the value > corresponding to the zero > beat on your Rx. E.g. if you tune the Rx in USB mode to 137000, then > of course the zero beat > will be at this frequency. When you receive a signal of, let's say, > 137450.8 Hz, then you will > have a tone of 450.8 Hz. If you don't set the offset field in Argo, > then this tone will be displayed > as 450.8 Hz. You can accept this, or, if you prefer to have the true > frequency displayed, set the > offset field in Argo to 137000. Then, you will see that tone displayed > at 137450.8 Hz, its true > frequency. Hope to have been clear enough. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17684 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 01:16:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 01:16:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 14200 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 01:16:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 01:16:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S5aF-0002bs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:16:11 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.21] (helo=dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S5aE-0002bj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:16:10 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 17519445 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:15:39 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c2ae0e$a7114fe0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> <4018133747.20021227133213@dx.ru> <001101c2ae0b$a1ba2740$0500a8c0@charter.net> <00ca01c2ae0d$03736fe0$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:15:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Jose, > RU6LA is sending QRSS60 on 135921.8Hz since 00.00 UTC. Thanks very much. I will keep watching. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18422 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 01:05:05 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 01:05:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 11450 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 01:04:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 01:04:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S5Ol-0002Ws-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:04:19 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.150] (helo=telesmtp4.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S5Ok-0002Wj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 01:04:18 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.249.237]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H7T1N501.101 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:04:17 +0100 Message-ID: <00ca01c2ae0d$03736fe0$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> From: "Jose Manuel" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> <4018133747.20021227133213@dx.ru> <001101c2ae0b$a1ba2740$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 02:03:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi John: RU6LA is sending QRSS60 on 135921.8Hz since 00.00 UTC. 73 de Jose, EA1PX ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: LF: Re: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity > Can anyone verify that RU6LA is sending QRSS60 on 135.922? > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13532 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 101 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 00:55:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 00:55:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S5FJ-0002TI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:54:33 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S5FJ-0002T9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:54:33 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 24049775 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:54:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c2ae0b$a1ba2740$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> <4018133747.20021227133213@dx.ru> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 00:54:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Can anyone verify that RU6LA is sending QRSS60 on 135.922? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18235 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 23:57:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 23:57:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 1705 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 23:57:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 23:57:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S4L6-0002Es-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:56:28 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S4L6-0002Ej-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:56:28 +0000 Received: from tnt-21-94.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.94] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18S4Kw-0008C8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:56:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2ae03$caaf0d80$5ee486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008c01c2adf1$09fb8f80$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:57:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Signals report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090507030000040206010801" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090507030000040206010801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friday 2100 Returned home after visiting friends and checked the 136 band. Saw I5TSG very good signal. Then two signals, one RU6LA and YU7AR. I dont know if this was the signal from the YU or if it was a signal from a station calling him. I hastily set up the transmitter and worked RU6LA. Saw F6BWO call RU6LA but I don't think a QSO resulted. RU6LA was still calling CQ at 2345. 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22:25:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 23883 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 22:25:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 22:25:39 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S2rZ-0001xe-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:21:53 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.80] (helo=mailout01.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S2rY-0001xV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:21:52 +0000 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18S2rN-0002lx-03; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:21:41 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.155.252.240]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18S2rB-1Nwsm8C; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:21:29 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <008c01c2adf1$09fb8f80$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:21:29 +0100 Message-ID: <18S2rB-1Nwsm8C@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Signal report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=6.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false José Manuel schrieb: > Hi all: > > Identified now RU6LA with "M" signals. > > 73, José - EA1PX - loc IN53TI > Hi Jose es all, my report from today btwn 2135 and 2154utc: RU6LA 137,6994 kHz -59dB DL0WD 137,6987 kHz -52dB DL3FDO 137,6886 kHz -61dB G3LDO 137,7297 kHz -69dB noise: -85 to 90dB. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8871 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 21:48:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 21:48:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 8944 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 21:48:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 21:48:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S2LF-0001pc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:48:29 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S2LE-0001pS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:48:29 +0000 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021227214755.DORA1199.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:47:55 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.102.27]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021227214750.BROC18554.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:47:50 +1300 Message-ID: <006401c2adf1$ecdb16e0$1b6636d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c2adb2$7c500c80$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:49:20 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH results so far Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, Thanks for private and reflector reports. It looks like reception in North America was very good at times. I'm working through confirmations from John W1TAG, Dex W4DEX, Mike KB6WFC and Mitch VE3OT (Ontario, 13958 km). We decided at the last minute to not use the new DDS exciter for overnight ZL6QH transmission as we were not confident of transients and stability at frequency shifts, so we swapped to the previously used TS-850 SSB exciter and laptop audio. So for overnight transmission the frequency shift was 0.4 Hz, and transmitted frequencies were 137.7890 and 137.7886 kHz. Timing of elements was no worse than about 25 seconds late for a Q starting on the hour. This morning (well after sunrise) we revisited the DDS exciter, and by a combination of filtering, damping and isolation between driver and PA, it looks like it now works nicely with DDS drive and full power to the antenna. So for tonight we expect to have 0.424 Hz shift and frequencies of 137.7891 and 137.7887 kHz. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3666 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 21:44:46 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 21:44:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 6727 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 21:44:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 21:44:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S2Gt-0001l1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:43:59 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetmx1.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S2Gp-0001ks-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:43:55 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.203]) by tnetmx1.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H7SSD600.RA0 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:43:54 +0100 Message-ID: <008c01c2adf1$09fb8f80$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:43:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signals report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all:
 
Identified now RU6LA with "M" signals.
 
73, José - EA1PX - loc IN53TI
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 863 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 21:00:34 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 21:00:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 11193 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 21:00:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 21:00:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18S1Z6-0001cU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from [213.4.129.135] (helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18S1Z0-0001cL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:58:39 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter ([213.99.200.203]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id H7SQ9P01.JYJ for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:58:37 +0100 Message-ID: <007001c2adea$ae78cca0$1ed162d5@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:58:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signals report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all:
 
Too much noise, but some stations copied in the last minutes, although only DF6NM and G3YXM with O signals so far.
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23558 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 17:36:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 17:36:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 11090 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 17:35:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 17:35:57 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RyOK-0000n3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:35:24 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RyOJ-0000mu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:35:23 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 17:35:21 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.179.18] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 525gLARjs0276M29; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:35:18 GMT Message-ID: <3E0C8F57.5030606@usa.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 18:35:19 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c2adb2$7c500c80$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> Subject: Re: LF: Re: ZL6QH test Dec27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=6.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thomas Giella, KN4LF wrote: > I must have done my frequency scale calibration wrong as I received >nothing here. I left the "Measured" and "Displayed" >columns with the default 1000 in them and placed 13770891 in the offset box, >as my BFO offset is 700 hz. Was this wrong? >I'm still learning how to use Argo. > > > Thomas, you did forget the decimal point. If I read correctly, you typed 13770891, but you should have typed 137708.91 (note the point) And, in any case, the value to specify in the offset field is the value corresponding to the zero beat on your Rx. E.g. if you tune the Rx in USB mode to 137000, then of course the zero beat will be at this frequency. When you receive a signal of, let's say, 137450.8 Hz, then you will have a tone of 450.8 Hz. If you don't set the offset field in Argo, then this tone will be displayed as 450.8 Hz. You can accept this, or, if you prefer to have the true frequency displayed, set the offset field in Argo to 137000. Then, you will see that tone displayed at 137450.8 Hz, its true frequency. Hope to have been clear enough. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4039 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 16:51:47 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 16:51:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 26933 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 16:52:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 16:52:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Rxi8-0000d8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:51:48 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Rxi8-0000cz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:51:48 +0000 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBRGphg03651 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA19795; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:51:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003401c2adc8$f595e0e0$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20021227164557.1310.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:56:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH reception? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mike, > Here's captures from my QTH: > http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122700000.jpg > http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122700001.jpg > http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122700002.jpg That's the signal, all right -- excellent copy. Glad that you let a little go by to us folks in the east. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32100 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 16:46:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 16:46:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 11505 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 16:46:38 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 16:46:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RxcW-0000YG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:46:00 +0000 Received: from [216.136.175.38] (helo=web13302.mail.yahoo.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RxcV-0000Y7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:45:59 +0000 Message-ID: <20021227164557.1310.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.207.95] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:45:57 PST Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:45:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Silvers" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net, ndblist@beaconworld.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: ZL6QH reception? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Here's captures from my QTH: http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122700000.jpg http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122700001.jpg http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/zl6qh02122700002.jpg It looks like the signal to me but I'll let Bob have the final word. I think my computer clock is just about correct. I ran slow mode for a change. Happy Holidays de Mike KB6WFC Daly City, CA USA CM87sq 37:40:26N 122:28:32W RX: HP3586B (20Hz filter mode) & WWVB calibrated Argo ANT: AA7U Steve Ratzlaff active (8' LORAN-C) whip, base @ 16' http://www.geocities.com/silversmj/kb6wfcwebsite.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6383 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 15:40:08 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 15:40:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 6002 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 15:39:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 15:39:58 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RwZb-0000Ic-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:38:55 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RwZb-0000IT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:38:55 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021227153942.SXJQ432.host3@att.net>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:39:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0C7430.88E6589A@att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:39:28 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "lowfer" Subject: LF: ZL6QH as seen in North Carolina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false The ZL6QH signal was detectable from 0730 to 1200 here in NC. Looks like the signal peaked around 0900 and again about 1130 to 1200. The signal was so strong during these times the elements started "dog boning" and running together. The best signal I seen yet from this station. A series of captures can be seen from a directory at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/zl6qh/ Dexter http://www.w4dex.com/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27998 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 14:17:03 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 14:17:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19517 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 14:16:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 14:16:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RvHu-00005S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:16:34 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RvHu-00005C-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:16:34 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.206.129] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A099E3190272; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:15:53 -0600 Message-ID: <004e01c2adb2$7c500c80$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:16:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH test Dec27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0tests=SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I must have done my frequency scale calibration wrong as I received nothing here. I left the "Measured" and "Displayed" columns with the default 1000 in them and placed 13770891 in the offset box, as my BFO offset is 700 hz. Was this wrong? I'm still learning how to use Argo. 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6855 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 13:52:32 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 13:52:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 4187 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 13:52:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 13:52:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RuqC-0008R0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:47:56 +0000 Received: from [205.197.48.109] (helo=gemini.smart.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RuqC-0008Qr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:47:56 +0000 Received: from dpc000 ([162.33.221.113]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA23108 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:47:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2adae$985ad6c0$71dd21a2@direcpc.com> From: "lloyd chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:47:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH test Dec27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Here are my best captures of what seem to be brief portions of Q from the test last nite -here in Maryland FM19MH www.geocities.com/lacwman/ZLtestdec27.jpg www.geocities.com/lacwman/ZLtestdec27a.jpg de Lloyd W3NF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31848 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 12:12:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 12:12:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 26318 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 12:12:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 12:12:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RtLL-0008Cj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:11:59 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.11] (helo=dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RtLK-0008Ca-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:11:58 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarold) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 24601825 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:11:27 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c2ada0$dabd3200$0600a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:09:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I have two screen shots of the ZL6QH tests from this morning (27 Dec), taken between 0935 and 1035 UTC. 90 sec/dot screen: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/ZL6QH90.jpg 120 sec/dot screen: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/ZL6QH120.jpg The 120 second screen shows more identifiable "Q" signals. Thanks! John Andrews, W1TAG FN42ch From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7290 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 10:34:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 10:34:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 25651 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 10:34:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 10:34:05 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RrnA-0007zR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:32:36 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Rrn9-0007zI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:32:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 44274 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 13:32:29 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 13:32:29 +0300 Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 13:32:13 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <4018133747.20021227133213@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,UPPERCASE_25_50, USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello LF-funs! Now (11z) I leave on Machta. Temperature -8 ? (at night -13) Some updatings Time-table: DEC 27: 1300 - 1700 RX ZL6QH beacon test 1730 - .... QRSS3 137.700 or CW 136.6 (look also in QRS10 DEC 28: 0000 - 0530 QRSS60 10w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA") 135.922 0530 - 1000 QRSS3/CW 1w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA 1W") 137.7 1000 - abt 1500 QRSS60 20w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA") 137.7 1500 - .... QRS3 137.700 or CW 136.6 OFF 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4057 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 04:24:37 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 04:24:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13655 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 04:24:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 04:24:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Rlz6-0007Ev-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 04:20:32 +0000 Received: from [66.27.141.37] (helo=momsnu1) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Rlz5-0007Em-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 04:20:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.12] by momsnu1 (ArGoSoft Mail Server for Windows NT/2000, Version 1.4 (1.4.0.5)); Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:08:57 -0800 Message-ID: <00d701c2ad5d$ace5cba0$0c00a8c0@home> From: "DTX" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:08:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Fw: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=6.0tests=OUTLOOK_FW_MSG,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false >From yesterday.... WA6DTX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vernall" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: LF: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec > > Hi all, > > ZL6QH will be sending LF beacon transmissions overnight (New Zealand time) > on 27, 28 and 29 December. > > Transmission will start about 0720 UTC (ZL6QH sunset is nominally 0752 UTC) > and end about 1730 UTC (ZL6QH sunrise is nominally 1655 UTC). > > A new DDS exciter constructed by Andrew ZL2BBJ will be tried this time, with > long dot FSK beacon format very similar to that used previously for ZL6QH > beacon tests. The identifier QQQQ.... is sent as hi/hi/lo/high/gap .... > with 120 second dot length for each element. The DDS frequency shift is > 0.424 Hz, so transmitted frequencies are (rounded to 0.1 Hz): > hi = 137.7891 kHz > lo = 137.7887 kHz > > Each Q takes 10 minutes, so there are conveniently six Qs per hour. To > assist with weak signal identification the timing will be arranged so that > the first element of a Q starts on the hour. The DDS exciter is confirmed > to have accurate timing. > > There is no email access at the remote Quartz Hill station, but there will > be daily trips to Wellington, so private and reflector email can be read. > If there are particularly good beacon results for Friday, we will be happy > to make skeds for attempted two-way DX contacts using Jason. Any change to > the ZL6QH schedule will be posted to the RSGB reflector site. > > Good luck, > > Bob ZL2CA > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28125 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 02:59:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 02:59:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 17907 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 02:58:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 02:58:54 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Rkhf-0006rZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:58:27 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Rkhf-0006rQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:58:27 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021227025942.CFFR336.host4@att.net> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:59:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0BC1F7.A2E8AB35@att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:59:03 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> <000501c2ad51$92b09f00$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Tom, I just forwarded Bob's original message to you. Dex "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" wrote: > > What frequency will that be on? > > 73, > Thomas Giella > KN4LF/NNN0HUS > Plant City, FL, USA > > KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation > Outlook: > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18823 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 02:43:36 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 02:43:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 29669 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 02:43:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 02:43:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RkSZ-0006mn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:42:51 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RkSY-0006md-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:42:50 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.206.129] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AE028C630274; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:42:10 -0600 Message-ID: <000501c2ad51$92b09f00$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:42:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false What frequency will that be on? 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" To: Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec > Vernall wrote: > > > > ZL6QH will be sending LF beacon transmissions overnight (New Zealand time) > > on 27, 28 and 29 December. > > > > Transmission will start about 0720 UTC (ZL6QH sunset is nominally 0752 UTC) > > and end about 1730 UTC (ZL6QH sunrise is nominally 1655 UTC). > > > > Bob, > > If all goes as planed I will be posting what I receive here in North > Carolina in 10 minuet intervals at: > > http://www.w4dex.com/argo/zl6qh.jpg > > Conditions look good here. QRN is the lowest it's been lately. > > Good luck and thanks for the transmission. > > Dex > http://www.w4dex.com/ > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.434 / Virus Database: 243 - Release Date: 12/25/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18579 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 02:23:33 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 02:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 7043 invoked by uid 10001); 27 Dec 2002 02:23:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 02:23:26 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Rk8b-0006ht-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:22:13 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Rk8a-0006hk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:22:12 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021227022259.MOZD432.host3@att.net> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:22:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0BB978.1E3F1758@att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:22:48 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=6.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Vernall wrote: > > ZL6QH will be sending LF beacon transmissions overnight (New Zealand time) > on 27, 28 and 29 December. > > Transmission will start about 0720 UTC (ZL6QH sunset is nominally 0752 UTC) > and end about 1730 UTC (ZL6QH sunrise is nominally 1655 UTC). > Bob, If all goes as planed I will be posting what I receive here in North Carolina in 10 minuet intervals at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/zl6qh.jpg Conditions look good here. QRN is the lowest it's been lately. Good luck and thanks for the transmission. Dex http://www.w4dex.com/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 655 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 19:59:53 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 19:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9742 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 19:59:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 19:59:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Re5W-00065y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:54:38 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.144] (helo=mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Re5U-00065p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:54:37 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021226195404.EJCI1191.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:54:04 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.55.147.123]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021226195357.KYUE15912.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:53:57 +1300 Message-ID: <000d01c2ad18$d88af180$7b9337d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <675@YO3KXL> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:51:34 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH mode capability Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, Regarding the forthcoming tests from ZL6QH, I have had private email regarding the earlier bulletin suggesting making skeds for two-way contacts using Jason if propagation on the first (ZL) night is found to be good. I was being too specific about mode capability at ZL6QH, as we can arrange to transmit or receive any recognised QRSS mode. It is a fine morning here in Wellington so there is little doubt that we will be able to set up at ZL6QH this afternoon and be transmitting on LF well before dusk. 73, Bob From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29658 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 13:03:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 13:03:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 10948 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 13:04:17 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 13:04:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RXfd-0005ZZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:03:29 +0000 Received: from [141.85.43.57] (helo=ham.elcom.pub.ro) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RXfc-0005ZJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:03:29 +0000 Received: from yo3kxl.ampr.org (kxl.elcom.pub.ro [44.182.30.1]) by ham.elcom.pub.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D2D12EE40 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:45:56 +0200 (EET) X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Wed, 25 Dec 02 20:37:15 EET Message-ID: <675@YO3KXL> From: yo2is@yo3kxl.ampr.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: your message of Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:01:24 -0000. <000701c2ac69$8e81a5c0$73a87ad5@main> Subject: Re: LF: YO2IS beacon X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit From: YO2IS Hi Alan and Mike, thanks for the messages. There was a small mistake about my QRG observed by Markus DF6NM, the right one is 137.664. No provision for QRSS10 right now as the initial PIC time loop has the maximal count of only 256 !. Will keep things running and let you know with the results. Wish you a Happy, Prosper and Peacefull 2003. 73 Szigy. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20328 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 09:08:09 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 09:08:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 4199 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 09:08:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 09:08:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RTzb-000587-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:07:51 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RTzb-00057y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:07:51 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021226090750.KEWZ900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:07:50 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c2acbe$46a55800$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2758@yo2kjo.ampr.org> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:07:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRP beacon... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > From: YO2IS > Have added a QRSS3 section to the software and dividing > a 3579.545 KHz XTAL with 26 got a stable 137.666 KHz > signal which is driving a DF3LP type (IRF630, IRF640) > amplifier, thats 50 W into a vario & sloping 41 m wire. > Will run the beacon for several hours in the evenings > and mornings of the next days. Reports are welcome. Nothing seen last night or this morning, but there are many Loran lines close to that frequency. Are you able to run QRSS10? Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11065 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 08:47:11 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 08:47:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1033 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 08:47:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 08:47:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RTeq-00052R-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:46:24 +0000 Received: from [141.85.43.57] (helo=ham.elcom.pub.ro) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RTep-00052I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:46:24 +0000 Received: from yo3kxl.ampr.org (kxl.elcom.pub.ro [44.182.30.1]) by ham.elcom.pub.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id E83122ECBD for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:28:50 +0200 (EET) X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Wed, 25 Dec 02 16:28:30 EET Message-ID: <667@YO3KXL> From: yo2is@yo3kxl.ampr.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRP beacon... X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=6.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit From: YO2IS Season Greetings and a Happy New Year 2003. Am still around on LF fighting the downtown noise and trying to move a step forward despite my OOTC status !. Got a PIC (16C84) from a friend and folowing the ideas of SM6LKM started to build a keyer and LF generator. Have added a QRSS3 section to the software and dividing a 3579.545 KHz XTAL with 26 got a stable 137.666 KHz signal which is driving a DF3LP type (IRF630, IRF640) amplifier, thats 50 W into a vario & sloping 41 m wire. Will run the beacon for several hours in the evenings and mornings of the next days. Reports are welcome. 73 Szigy. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26163 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 01:55:44 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 01:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 27164 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 01:55:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 01:55:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RNBu-0004ER-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:52:06 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RNBs-0004EI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 01:52:05 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021226015131.NBQN1199.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:51:31 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.229.238]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021226015131.ZNIW29171.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:51:31 +1300 Message-ID: <001301c2ac81$a01cdd00$eee536d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:52:43 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=6.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, ZL6QH will be sending LF beacon transmissions overnight (New Zealand time) on 27, 28 and 29 December. Transmission will start about 0720 UTC (ZL6QH sunset is nominally 0752 UTC) and end about 1730 UTC (ZL6QH sunrise is nominally 1655 UTC). A new DDS exciter constructed by Andrew ZL2BBJ will be tried this time, with long dot FSK beacon format very similar to that used previously for ZL6QH beacon tests. The identifier QQQQ.... is sent as hi/hi/lo/high/gap .... with 120 second dot length for each element. The DDS frequency shift is 0.424 Hz, so transmitted frequencies are (rounded to 0.1 Hz): hi = 137.7891 kHz lo = 137.7887 kHz Each Q takes 10 minutes, so there are conveniently six Qs per hour. To assist with weak signal identification the timing will be arranged so that the first element of a Q starts on the hour. The DDS exciter is confirmed to have accurate timing. There is no email access at the remote Quartz Hill station, but there will be daily trips to Wellington, so private and reflector email can be read. If there are particularly good beacon results for Friday, we will be happy to make skeds for attempted two-way DX contacts using Jason. Any change to the ZL6QH schedule will be posted to the RSGB reflector site. Good luck, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22082 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 00:54:18 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 00:54:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 3374 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 00:54:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 00:54:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RMH4-00046C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:53:22 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RMH4-000463-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:53:22 +0000 Received: from host213-122-142-14.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.142.14] helo=main) by lutetium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18RMH3-00012J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:53:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2ac79$2f1c4f80$0e8e7ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 00:53:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re YO2IS agn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi agn Sziggy I have pulled the line out using Spectran, with Integration to remove the noises......84mHz resolution and averaging of 6. After checking cal there is a trace very close to your declared frequency, but this is indistinguishable from the look of a Loran sideband line, as the processing is too slow to detect the data. I have a capture of the Spectran screen but it is too big to pass through the LF Reflector. It will need to be sent to you directly if you would like to see it. Propagation is not good tonight my received signal strength from SXV is about 6 to 10dB down on usual, probably thanks to the geomagnetic storm a few days ago. Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 992 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 23:27:07 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 21737 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 23:26:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:26:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RKvD-0003tl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:26:43 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RKvD-0003tc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:26:43 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBPNQbP11205 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:26:37 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:27:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <000501c2ac34$be28d8a0$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Bill Ashlock in the US. He is an intelligent engineer and very generous. I will forward your message to him so he can get back with you. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Ralph Lane Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 10:43 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Mike, I must have missed something, who is Bill and where do I find info about Ashlock loops? Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > What is special about an Ashlock loop you ask; the tuning components. > Nothing new and exotic just explained real well by Bill and tested over and > over to refine the procedure and construction and installation of a > super-performing loop. Everyone that has followed his advise to the exact > letter has gotten a good signal on the band in the US. I am waiting for the > license to be mailed back so I can cram 400w into my loop. If I can make 1w > go easily past 160 miles with a totally audible CW signal day and night, > imagine what 400w or even less would do as I don't think it will take the > full legal limit to make solid CW contacts with this antenna and decent > conditions. > > I understand that most amateur LF antennas are inefficient, but these loops > have been bad mouthed for a long time and we have an Engineer here that has > taken on the task of designing and testing the heck out of a 50' by 50' loop > on 185kc and come up with a few variations that tested in the real world on > the air and continue to prove their awesome design and engineering to > perform excellent. > > Yes, verticals do work well with the proper installation. Or you can make a > lousy installed vertical work with a bunch of power. But take a lousy > installed loop or lousy matched loop and it wont work worth a darn. Follow > Bill's advise and it will work. > > Mike>WE0H > http://www.we0h.us/lf > WE 185.3026kc > QRSS & -.-. .-- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Steve Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 2:16 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WE0H > To: > Sent: 25 December 2002 02:40 > Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > > Then why did my 1-watt signal go 1302 miles the other week? I was sending > > QRSS-30 and the receive station was southwest from here. My loop points > > north and south. It usually goes out past 500 miles in QRSS and over 160 > > miles in CW with the receiving station listening to it with his ears. It > is > > an Ashlock loop maybe that is the difference??? > What's special about an Ashlock loop? > > The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are > inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? > > Steve > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18269 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 23:25:17 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 20363 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 23:25:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:25:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RKtC-0003rv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:24:38 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RKtC-0003rm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:24:38 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBPNOWP11105 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:24:32 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:25:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=6.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false You got that right Mike. Everyone has their favorite antenna and more power to them for using it. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Staines Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 9:54 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again I think Steve hit the nail on the head when he said: > The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are > inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? Unfortunately, I suspect that this discussion will now degrade into comparisons based on gain per square foot of swampland. Loop vs. Monopole is like Kenwood Vs Icom. Or Ford vs. Chevy. At least at this stage of the game. They both work. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. I don't think that anyone will win any awards because they used one over the other (all things being equal). For *MYSELF*, the loop is a godsend. With my yard (small, treed, metal buildings) a monopole with ground system would be a nightmare to install and maintain. The loop is simple and out of the way. But if I had the property and resources to install a vertical would I? You bet. Just for variety. Wishing everyone best wishes, Mike wa1ptc Central New York From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10373 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 23:03:06 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:03:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 13801 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Dec 2002 23:02:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 23:02:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RKWr-0003nt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:01:33 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RKWr-0003nk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:01:33 +0000 Received: from host213-122-168-115.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.168.115] helo=main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18RKWp-000538-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:01:32 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2ac69$8e81a5c0$73a87ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:01:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: YO2IS beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Sziggy, conditions are not too good here at the moment. I have distant lightning crashes, and I am not using my best wire aerial. But I can see something that might be an occasional horizontal "smear" on Argo about 1Hz low of your declared frequency. I believe propagation may be a little depressed at the moment after the recent geomagnetic storm, but the signal could well pop up out of the noise later. Unfortunately my calculator predicts a line from the NELS Loran-C at 137666.04 and another at 137665.02. These are not strong enough to show clearly on QRSS3 here. I will play with a narrower bandwidth FFT and see if I can identify them properly. Good Luck and a Best Wishes for the New Year Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7525 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 19:39:13 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 19:39:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21430 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 19:39:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 19:39:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RHLo-0003KR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:37:56 +0000 Received: from [193.226.98.3] (helo=nebula.dnttm.ro ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RHLn-0003KI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:37:55 +0000 Received: from yo2kjo.ampr.org (yo2kjo.sorostm.ro [193.226.98.64]) by nebula.dnttm.ro (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gBPJbsdR020189 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:37:54 +0200 X-BBS-Msg-Type: P Date: Wed, 25 Dec 02 19:36:52 UTC Message-ID: <2758@yo2kjo.ampr.org> From: yo2is@yo2kjo.ampr.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: QRP beacon... X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.6 required=6.0tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: *** X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message-Id: 2758_yo2kjo From: yo2is@yo2lgu.tm.rom.euro To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: YO2IS Season Greetings and a Happy New Year 2003. Am still around on LF fighting the downtown noise and trying to move a step forward despite my OOTC status !. Got a PIC (16C84) from a friend and folowing the ideas of SM6LKM started to build a keyer and LF generator. Have added a QRSS3 section to the software and dividing a 3579.545 KHz XTAL with 26 got a stable 137.666 KHz signal which is driving a DF3LP type (IRF630, IRF640) amplifier, thats 50 W into a vario & sloping 41 m wire. Will run the beacon for several hours in the evenings and mornings of the next days. Reports are welcome. 73 Szigy. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12587 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 18:21:55 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 18:21:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 14406 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 18:21:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 18:21:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RG9W-00035P-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:21:10 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RG9Q-00035G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:21:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.121]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021225182103.HRIZ21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:21:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2ac42$5a346f40$79e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <006001c2abfe$51b2a420$02a2edc2@oemuser> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:20:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Loops once more Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=8.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 10:12 AM
Subject: LF: Loops once more

Hello all ,
 
Here follows my experience with a big loop:
 
I have a small loop with 40turns, the turns are spaced 5mm and the side of the loop is 70x70cm. The wire has a diameter of 1mm. The inductance is 1.85mH and the Q is 110. Together with this I use a modified version of the preamp described on page 30 in the LF Experimenters Handbook. The main difference being BF246C (high current FET:s) used instead  of 2N3819. 
 
The directivity is as follows: When adjusted to get maximum signal from DCF39 I have about S9+30dB on the S-meter (on a DRAKE TR7) dropping to around S7 when adjusted to get minimum signal from DCF. (I have no means of calibrating the S-meter accurately).
 
Last summer I tried a bigger loop with 6 turns and a side of 5m. It was mounted with the lowest corner about 50cm above ground and using the same preamp as described above. The wire used was with a cross section of 1,5mm2 and having plastic insulation.
It was then turned to get a peak on DCF39.  Changing between the two loops a few times revealed that the big loop was just slightly better than the small loop. The difference was barely detectable on the S-meter. I did not measure the Q, however when adjusting for resonance I found that it was not that "sharp" as that of the small loop so the Q seems to be lower. The inductance was around 1mH. Considering the small difference to the samll loop and the problem of turning it I soon took it down.
 
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
 
Hello Urban.
Thanks for your reply and the only one so far that has answered my Question properly.
Happy New Year
de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
SM5EUF / Urban  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14412 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 18:19:53 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 18:19:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14131 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 18:19:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 18:19:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RG6x-00033N-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:18:31 +0000 Received: from [205.158.62.79] (helo=smtp2.us4.outblaze.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RG6w-00032U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:18:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 17760 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 18:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e500) (Mike?Staines?email.com@64.185.140.143) by 205-158-62-79.outblaze.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 18:17:54 -0000 From: "Mike Staines" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:17:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <000501c2ac34$be28d8a0$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=8.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > > Mike, I must have missed something, who is Bill and where do I find info > about Ashlock loops? > Ralph > Ralph: Bill has two papers published. They can be found at: http://www.ThePittsfieldInn.com/Bill Mike wa1ptc From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5022 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 16:48:00 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 16:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23585 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 16:47:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 16:47:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18REdQ-0002rY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:43:56 +0000 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18REdQ-0002rP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:43:56 +0000 Received: from yourw92p4bhlzg (pcp02064100pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.83.215.165]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7O00B7BP4CZE@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:43:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:43:24 -0500 From: "Ralph Lane" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <000501c2ac34$be28d8a0$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal References: Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=8.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Mike, I must have missed something, who is Bill and where do I find info about Ashlock loops? Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > What is special about an Ashlock loop you ask; the tuning components. > Nothing new and exotic just explained real well by Bill and tested over and > over to refine the procedure and construction and installation of a > super-performing loop. Everyone that has followed his advise to the exact > letter has gotten a good signal on the band in the US. I am waiting for the > license to be mailed back so I can cram 400w into my loop. If I can make 1w > go easily past 160 miles with a totally audible CW signal day and night, > imagine what 400w or even less would do as I don't think it will take the > full legal limit to make solid CW contacts with this antenna and decent > conditions. > > I understand that most amateur LF antennas are inefficient, but these loops > have been bad mouthed for a long time and we have an Engineer here that has > taken on the task of designing and testing the heck out of a 50' by 50' loop > on 185kc and come up with a few variations that tested in the real world on > the air and continue to prove their awesome design and engineering to > perform excellent. > > Yes, verticals do work well with the proper installation. Or you can make a > lousy installed vertical work with a bunch of power. But take a lousy > installed loop or lousy matched loop and it wont work worth a darn. Follow > Bill's advise and it will work. > > Mike>WE0H > http://www.we0h.us/lf > WE 185.3026kc > QRSS & -.-. .-- > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Steve Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 2:16 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: WE0H > To: > Sent: 25 December 2002 02:40 > Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > > > > Then why did my 1-watt signal go 1302 miles the other week? I was sending > > QRSS-30 and the receive station was southwest from here. My loop points > > north and south. It usually goes out past 500 miles in QRSS and over 160 > > miles in CW with the receiving station listening to it with his ears. It > is > > an Ashlock loop maybe that is the difference??? > What's special about an Ashlock loop? > > The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are > inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? > > Steve > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9636 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 16:24:32 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 16:24:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 5132 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 16:24:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 16:24:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18REJg-0002nG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:23:32 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18REJg-0002n7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:23:32 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBPGNSP22398 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:23:28 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:24:04 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <000f01c2abed$d1cbfa00$015e89d9@jackie> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=8.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false What is special about an Ashlock loop you ask; the tuning components. Nothing new and exotic just explained real well by Bill and tested over and over to refine the procedure and construction and installation of a super-performing loop. Everyone that has followed his advise to the exact letter has gotten a good signal on the band in the US. I am waiting for the license to be mailed back so I can cram 400w into my loop. If I can make 1w go easily past 160 miles with a totally audible CW signal day and night, imagine what 400w or even less would do as I don't think it will take the full legal limit to make solid CW contacts with this antenna and decent conditions. I understand that most amateur LF antennas are inefficient, but these loops have been bad mouthed for a long time and we have an Engineer here that has taken on the task of designing and testing the heck out of a 50' by 50' loop on 185kc and come up with a few variations that tested in the real world on the air and continue to prove their awesome design and engineering to perform excellent. Yes, verticals do work well with the proper installation. Or you can make a lousy installed vertical work with a bunch of power. But take a lousy installed loop or lousy matched loop and it wont work worth a darn. Follow Bill's advise and it will work. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf WE 185.3026kc QRSS & -.-. .-- -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 2:16 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again ----- Original Message ----- From: WE0H To: Sent: 25 December 2002 02:40 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > Then why did my 1-watt signal go 1302 miles the other week? I was sending > QRSS-30 and the receive station was southwest from here. My loop points > north and south. It usually goes out past 500 miles in QRSS and over 160 > miles in CW with the receiving station listening to it with his ears. It is > an Ashlock loop maybe that is the difference??? What's special about an Ashlock loop? The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23786 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 15:56:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 15:56:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 25821 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 15:56:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 15:56:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18RDrD-0002hp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:54:07 +0000 Received: from [205.158.62.79] (helo=smtp2.us4.outblaze.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18RDrB-0002hg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 15:54:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 13013 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 15:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e500) (Mike?Staines?email.com@64.185.140.143) by 205-158-62-79.outblaze.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 15:53:33 -0000 From: "Mike Staines" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:53:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <000f01c2abed$d1cbfa00$015e89d9@jackie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=8.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I think Steve hit the nail on the head when he said: > The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are > inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? Unfortunately, I suspect that this discussion will now degrade into comparisons based on gain per square foot of swampland. Loop vs. Monopole is like Kenwood Vs Icom. Or Ford vs. Chevy. At least at this stage of the game. They both work. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. I don't think that anyone will win any awards because they used one over the other (all things being equal). For *MYSELF*, the loop is a godsend. With my yard (small, treed, metal buildings) a monopole with ground system would be a nightmare to install and maintain. The loop is simple and out of the way. But if I had the property and resources to install a vertical would I? You bet. Just for variety. Wishing everyone best wishes, Mike wa1ptc Central New York From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23291 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 10:17:26 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 10:17:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 7856 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 10:17:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 10:17:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18R8aN-0002JT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:16:23 +0000 Received: from [212.78.193.245] (helo=smtp01.spray.se) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18R8aN-0002JJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:16:23 +0000 Received: from oemuser (t1o940p2.telia.com [194.237.162.2]) by smtp01.spray.se (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E8B3438D2 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:16:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006001c2abfe$51b2a420$02a2edc2@oemuser> From: "Urban ekholm" To: "RSGB-LF-group" Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:12:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Loops once more Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=8.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello all ,
 
Here follows my experience with a big loop:
 
I have a small loop with 40turns, the turns are spaced 5mm and the side of the loop is 70x70cm. The wire has a diameter of 1mm. The inductance is 1.85mH and the Q is 110. Together with this I use a modified version of the preamp described on page 30 in the LF Experimenters Handbook. The main difference being BF246C (high current FET:s) used instead  of 2N3819. 
 
The directivity is as follows: When adjusted to get maximum signal from DCF39 I have about S9+30dB on the S-meter (on a DRAKE TR7) dropping to around S7 when adjusted to get minimum signal from DCF. (I have no means of calibrating the S-meter accurately).
 
Last summer I tried a bigger loop with 6 turns and a side of 5m. It was mounted with the lowest corner about 50cm above ground and using the same preamp as described above. The wire used was with a cross section of 1,5mm2 and having plastic insulation.
It was then turned to get a peak on DCF39.  Changing between the two loops a few times revealed that the big loop was just slightly better than the small loop. The difference was barely detectable on the S-meter. I did not measure the Q, however when adjusting for resonance I found that it was not that "sharp" as that of the small loop so the Q seems to be lower. The inductance was around 1mH. Considering the small difference to the samll loop and the problem of turning it I soon took it down.
 
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
 
SM5EUF / Urban  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12636 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 09:38:11 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 09:38:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 25117 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 09:37:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 09:37:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18R7yA-0002Dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:36:54 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18R7y9-0002DT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:36:53 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021225093652.HNOT900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:36:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c2abf9$4ad562a0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224192700.009ee9d0@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 09:37:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Audio filter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=8.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > To All from PA0SE > An easy to adjust audiofilter can be downloaded from > www.lsear.freeserve.co.uk/page2.html. > It can also provide binaural (pseudo-stereo) reception of CW. > If is does not work follow the advice from Jim, M0BMU: in the volume > control panel set mute all controls except MASTER VOLUME and WAVE. It did not work for me, though I have no trouble with Spectran's filters. I get the input, not the output, from the loudspeaker. The web page refers to Win95, so perhaps it will not work on Win ME. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11486 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 08:15:07 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 08:15:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 22700 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 08:15:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 08:15:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18R6dG-000259-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:11:14 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18R6dB-000250-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:11:09 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.94.1]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021225081108.WOSX5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:11:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2abed$d1cbfa00$015e89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 08:15:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=8.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: WE0H To: Sent: 25 December 2002 02:40 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Loops again > Then why did my 1-watt signal go 1302 miles the other week? I was sending > QRSS-30 and the receive station was southwest from here. My loop points > north and south. It usually goes out past 500 miles in QRSS and over 160 > miles in CW with the receiving station listening to it with his ears. It is > an Ashlock loop maybe that is the difference??? What's special about an Ashlock loop? The article I mentioned does say that electrically tiny loops are inefficient - but aren't electrically tiny verticals inefficient too? Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23839 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 02:41:39 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 02:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5228 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 02:41:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 02:41:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18R1T7-0001YL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:40:25 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18R1T6-0001YC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 02:40:24 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBP2eHP14387 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:40:17 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:40:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <003601c2ab4a$46750940$89ccfc3e@l8p8y6> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=8.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Then why did my 1-watt signal go 1302 miles the other week? I was sending QRSS-30 and the receive station was southwest from here. My loop points north and south. It usually goes out past 500 miles in QRSS and over 160 miles in CW with the receiving station listening to it with his ears. It is an Ashlock loop maybe that is the difference??? Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf WE 185.3026kc QRSS & -.-. .-- -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:45 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loops again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Thompson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: Loops again > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hamilton mal > To: > Sent: 23 December 2002 16:55 > Subject: LF: Loops again > > > With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has > anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how > long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there is > the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference between > a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter. > Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several turns > in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop. > ------------------ > This site gives a good treatise on loop antennas from first principles, and > provides the maths to let you consider what to expect with changes in size > and numbers of turns. > > http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/georgieva/temp/Antennas_L11.pdf > > Steve Thanks Steve. Its a wonderful article and has certainly refreshed my mathematical skills. It starts off by saying that small loops are very INEFFICIENT and because of the high losses really only suitable for Receiving purposes. Not very promising. 73 De G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11478 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 20:48:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 20:48:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 15771 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 20:48:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 20:48:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qvy7-00011T-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:48:03 +0000 Received: from [194.134.35.177] (helo=smtp6.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qvy6-00011K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:48:02 +0000 Received: from nl9222@wanadoo (i2094.vwr.wanadoo.nl [194.134.216.55]) by smtp6.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 790316F2AD for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:48:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:48:12 +0100 From: "K.Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20021224204800.790316F2AD@smtp6.wanadoo.nl> Subject: LF: Merry Xmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=8.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,UPPERCASE_50_75version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false To ALL de NL9222: MERRY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28674 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 19:45:15 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 19:45:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 24577 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 19:45:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 19:45:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QuvM-0000s1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:41:08 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QuvL-0000rs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:41:08 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.133] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A82DC3A30058; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:40:29 -0600 Message-ID: <008d01c2ab84$544906e0$b7bdfea9@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001701c2aaf0$3bbe5ec0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> <3E08A972.5040905@usa.net> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:40:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Spectran DSP Audio Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=8.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SMTPD_IN_RCVD, SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Yes my problem is also solved. I knew about the mixer properies button and had checked it but not real recently. My "Wave Output" was checked as on but the volume was turned down. Another I/O error:<) We Have Horrendous QRM stateside with a winter storm so no LF here for a couple of days. 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: Spectran DSP Audio Problem > Thomas Giella, KN4LF wrote: > > >I'm experiencing the same problem as others have mentioned. The DSP filters > >in Spectran > >do not alter the audio. > > > > > > > Thomas, > what you hear with most probability is the audio going directly from > the line input > to the speakers. See the very good explanation given by Jim Moritz on > this subject, > and his suggestions on how to proceed. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32150 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 18:38:44 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 18:38:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 9879 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Dec 2002 18:38:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 18:38:39 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qtvd-0000ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:37:21 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [165.212.11.2] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qtvc-0000jR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:37:21 +0000 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 18:37:18 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.175.48] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 596gLXshq0188M38; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:33:16 GMT Message-ID: <3E08A972.5040905@usa.net> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:37:38 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001701c2aaf0$3bbe5ec0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> Subject: Re: LF: Spectran DSP Audio Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=8.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Thomas Giella, KN4LF wrote: >I'm experiencing the same problem as others have mentioned. The DSP filters >in Spectran >do not alter the audio. > > > Thomas, what you hear with most probability is the audio going directly from the line input to the speakers. See the very good explanation given by Jim Moritz on this subject, and his suggestions on how to proceed. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12532 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 18:27:24 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 18:27:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 29606 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 18:27:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 18:27:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QtlH-0000fR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:26:39 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.55] (helo=cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QtlH-0000fI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:26:39 +0000 Received: from [62.21.136.54] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18QtlF-0001cR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:26:38 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224192700.009ee9d0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:30:35 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Audio filter Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=8.0tests=BIG_FONT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

An easy to adjust audiofilter can be downloaded from www.lsear.freeserve.co.uk/page2.html.

It can also provide binaural (pseudo-stereo) reception of CW.

If is does not work follow the advice from Jim, M0BMU: in the volume control panel set mute all controls except MASTER VOLUME and WAVE.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 886 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 17:11:42 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 17:11:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 26634 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 17:11:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 17:11:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QsZx-0000Uq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:10:53 +0000 Received: from [195.167.28.4] (helo=aurora.eexi.gr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QsZv-0000Uh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:10:52 +0000 Received: from s9o9f0.eexi.gr (ppp68.dialup.eexi.gr [195.167.28.132]) by aurora.eexi.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBOGP5q08253; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:25:06 +0200 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021224190929.02950020@aurora.eexi.gr> X-Sender: sv1xv@aurora.eexi.gr (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:10:41 +0200 To: rtty@contesting.com, writelog@contesting.com, lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Seasons Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=8.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2003 to everybody. Costas +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Costas Krallis SV1XV * LOC KM18UA | | P.O.Box 3066 * E-Mail: sv1xv@eexi.gr | | GR-10210 Athens * PGP key: 0x3BDBBC34 | | GREECE * http://www.qsl.net/sv1xv/ | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17842 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 15:53:55 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 15:53:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 29750 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Dec 2002 15:53:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 15:53:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QrMM-00074A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:52:46 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.17] (helo=mailout02.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QrMM-000741-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:52:46 +0000 Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18QrMM-0001wP-00; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:52:46 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.224.53.240]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18QrM9-07c8yOC; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:52:33 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <127.1ddf5f71.2b38ac67@aol.com> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:52:33 +0100 Message-ID: <18QrM9-07c8yOC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: The low frequency experimenter's handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=8.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false G0MRF@aol.com schrieb: > Thanks for the publicity Dick. > > I do have both parts of the 136k TX article as .pdf files. Should anyone who > is not a member of the RSGB want a copy of the article, please send an e-mail > direct to me and I will forward. (apx 300k per file) > You may need Acrobat Reader version 5 or above to open them. > > 73 + Merry Christmas to all. > > David G0MRF > Hi David, I`m vy inter in the newer article. tks in advnc and MC regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10526 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 15:09:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 17931 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 15:09:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 15:09:35 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qqfx-0006t3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:08:57 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qqfw-0006su-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:08:57 +0000 Received: from there ([217.137.94.49]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021224150855.WFSF19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@there> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:08:55 +0000 From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:13:47 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000c01c2aaa4$3a7e2820$9ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> <005401c2ab1e$499d2840$035e89d9@jackie> <003601c2ab4a$46750940$89ccfc3e@l8p8y6> In-reply-to: <003601c2ab4a$46750940$89ccfc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20021224150855.WFSF19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@there> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false On Tuesday 24 December 2002 12:44, hamilton mal wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Thompson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:30 AM > Subject: LF: Re: Loops again > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: hamilton mal > > To: > > Sent: 23 December 2002 16:55 > > Subject: LF: Loops again > > > > > > With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has > > anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how > > long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there > > is > > > the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference > > between > > > a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter. > > Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several > > turns in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop. > > ------------------ > > This site gives a good treatise on loop antennas from first principles, > > and > > > provides the maths to let you consider what to expect with changes in > > size and numbers of turns. > > > > http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/georgieva/temp/Antennas_L11.pdf > > > > Steve > > Thanks Steve. > Its a wonderful article and has certainly refreshed my mathematical skills. > It starts off by saying that small loops are very INEFFICIENT and because > of the high losses really only suitable for Receiving purposes. Not very > promising. I'm glad you found it useful - I found the maths just about manageable, and the final equations very useable. If you go up a layer to .........../temp/ you will find a series of a dozen or more such 'lectures' which deal with most antenna topics in the same way. >From what I remember, I reckoned that, for transmitting, you are better off making a larger loop than going for more turns, for any given amount of wire. Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14621 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 14:06:01 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 14:06:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 19265 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 14:05:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 14:05:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qpfy-0006iy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:04:54 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [213.218.77.53] (helo=cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qpfx-0006ip-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:04:53 +0000 Received: from [62.21.129.1] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Qpfv-0001KP-00; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:04:52 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224143839.009ee980@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:45:01 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" Cc: "Jan Harte" , "Gerrit Jan Huijsman" , "Hans Evers" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224114220.00aee520@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <001801c2aabf$76ba6e00$09e136d2@xtr743187> <5.1.0.14.0.20021223135158.00aaf7f0@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Audio problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_03_05version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

As so often Jim, M0BMU, came up with the  right  solution.
He wrote:

The "volume control" display seems to vary with different sound cards and drivers. It does not always show all the controls, but if you click on "options - properties", you get a list headed "show the following volume controls", and you can click on the tick-boxes to enable displays of all the controls. If you then click on the "mute" tick-boxes of all the controls except the master volume control, and the "Wave" output, that seems to disable all signal paths except the one coming from the DSP software - well, at least it does on the computers I have tried...

Indeed, muting all controls except WAVE and MASTER VOLUME did the trick.

Jim, I am certainly not the only you did a great favour!

Many thanks on behalf of them all!

73, Dick, PA0SE
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16781 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 12:47:34 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 12:47:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 27140 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 12:46:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 12:46:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QoQw-0006Ye-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:45:18 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QoQw-0006YV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:45:18 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.137]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021224124517.UFTF21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:45:17 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c2ab4a$46750940$89ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2aaa4$3a7e2820$9ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> <005401c2ab1e$499d2840$035e89d9@jackie> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:44:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Thompson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: LF: Re: Loops again > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hamilton mal > To: > Sent: 23 December 2002 16:55 > Subject: LF: Loops again > > > With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has > anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how > long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there is > the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference between > a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter. > Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several turns > in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop. > ------------------ > This site gives a good treatise on loop antennas from first principles, and > provides the maths to let you consider what to expect with changes in size > and numbers of turns. > > http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/georgieva/temp/Antennas_L11.pdf > > Steve Thanks Steve. Its a wonderful article and has certainly refreshed my mathematical skills. It starts off by saying that small loops are very INEFFICIENT and because of the high losses really only suitable for Receiving purposes. Not very promising. 73 De G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28497 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 12:02:43 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 12:02:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 6453 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 12:02:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 12:02:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qnl2-0006Qf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:02:00 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qnl2-0006QW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:02:00 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Qnky-0002L6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:01:56 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Qnkw-0003tQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:01:54 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224114220.00aee520@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:01:53 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001801c2aabf$76ba6e00$09e136d2@xtr743187> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021223135158.00aaf7f0@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: Audio problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear Dick, LF Group, As others have pointed out, there seem to be several paths for the audio arriving directly at the mic or line input to get to the audio output. I have found the settings tend to default to ones where a signal path direct from input to output is enabled, which obviously defeats the DSP filter. The "volume control" display seems to vary with different sound cards and drivers. It does not always show all the controls, but if you click on "options - properties", you get a list headed "show the following volume controls", and you can click on the tick-boxes to enable displays of all the controls. If you then click on the "mute" tick-boxes of all the controls except the master volume control, and the "Wave" output, that seems to disable all signal paths except the one coming from the DSP software - well, at least it does on the computers I have tried... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11480 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 11:44:04 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 11:44:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 28871 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 11:43:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 11:43:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QnSc-0006Lc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:42:58 +0000 Received: from [195.110.100.2] (helo=mail.dada.it) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QnSb-0006LT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:42:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 27477 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 11:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cestag) (195.110.102.114) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 11:42:24 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c2ab41$bed8d320$72666ec3@cestag> From: "cesare tagliabue" To: "LF group" Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:43:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Merry Xmas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all Cesare Tagliabue I 5 TGC WW-Loc JN53PS e-mail: cestag@dada.it url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11193 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 11:33:17 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 11:33:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 2495 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 11:33:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 11:33:06 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QnEI-0006HT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:28:10 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QnEH-0006HK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:28:09 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18QnEA-00016o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:28:02 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18QnE5-0003ZT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:27:57 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224111229.00b09e70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:27:56 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Xmas Activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dear LF Group, I hope to be running the Jason beacon again on the 28th/29th of December, from about 2000 utc onwards; in order to try and avoid some Loran lines at the US end, I will be shifting the frequency slightly to 137502.5Hz. Along with general activity on LF, I also hope to be watching out for the RU6LA and ZL6QH operations - good luck to all involved. See you in the new year, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9570 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 09:03:02 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 09:03:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 15401 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 09:02:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 09:02:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qkwe-0005wL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:01:48 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.55] (helo=cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qkwe-0005wC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:01:48 +0000 Received: from [62.21.135.217] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Qkwd-0003F9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:01:47 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224095435.00ab27e0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:00:07 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Audio problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Thanks to Alan, Uwe and Alberto for their suggestions and explanations.
I will try to make use of them.

Alan asked what sound card I am using.

In one of the computer windows I found OPTiSound Plug-N Play System.

A a computer illiterate I don't know whether this is the info Alan asked for...

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17171 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 07:27:05 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 07:27:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 28894 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 07:26:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 07:26:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QjRj-0005jT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:25:47 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QjRe-0005jK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:25:42 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.94.3]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021224072541.NAEE21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:25:41 +0000 Message-ID: <005401c2ab1e$499d2840$035e89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2aaa4$3a7e2820$9ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:30:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ----- Original Message ----- From: hamilton mal To: Sent: 23 December 2002 16:55 Subject: LF: Loops again With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there is the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference between a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter. Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several turns in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop. ------------------ This site gives a good treatise on loop antennas from first principles, and provides the maths to let you consider what to expect with changes in size and numbers of turns. http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/georgieva/temp/Antennas_L11.pdf Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17636 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 03:39:22 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 03:39:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 1225 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 03:39:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 03:39:20 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qftx-000542-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:38:41 +0000 Received: from [209.226.175.74] (helo=tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qftw-00053t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:38:40 +0000 Received: from [65.93.66.166] by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021224033827.EOGH16986.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@[65.93.66.166]> for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:38:27 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:39:17 -0500 From: "Mitch Powell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: In-reply-to: <002101c2aaf2$e7adcd90$cd9237d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Off topic: Santa's little helpers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MACOEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > > Here is a Christmas question: Do you know what Santa's little helpers are > called? > > Answer: Subordinate clauses. And my beagle is a subservient quadruped. And a Merry Christmas to you. Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10573 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 02:31:23 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 02:31:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 2863 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 02:31:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 02:31:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qeq9-0004oY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:30:41 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qeq8-0004oP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:30:41 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBO2UXP05594 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:30:33 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:30:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <002101c2aaf2$e7adcd90$cd9237d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Off topic: Santa's little helpers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Go to bed Bob. Merry Christmas, Mike>WE0H -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Vernall Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:18 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Off topic: Santa's little helpers Hi all, Here is a Christmas question: Do you know what Santa's little helpers are called? Answer: Subordinate clauses. Have a Merry Christmas, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6514 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 02:23:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 02:23:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 4703 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 02:23:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 02:23:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qefv-0004dx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:20:07 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.145] (helo=mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qefu-0004dj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:20:06 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021224021934.IBWN1187.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:19:34 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.54.225.12]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021224021933.UCKR13460.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:19:33 +1300 Message-ID: <002101c2aaf2$e7adcd90$cd9237d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2aac0$5164d2c0$01a501d5@main> <003101c2aaec$341cc660$b31686d4@erica> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:18:24 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Off topic: Santa's little helpers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, Here is a Christmas question: Do you know what Santa's little helpers are called? Answer: Subordinate clauses. Have a Merry Christmas, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17099 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 02:02:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 02:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 18729 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 02:02:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 02:02:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QeNR-0004Zd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:01:01 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QeNQ-0004ZK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:01:01 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.245] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AFB6AB9B005C; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:00:22 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c2aaf0$3bbe5ec0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:00:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Spectran DSP Audio Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SMTPD_IN_RCVD,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I'm experiencing the same problem as others have mentioned. The DSP filters in Spectran do not alter the audio. 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm Dick Rollema schrieb: > To All from PA0SE > > Some programs, like Spectran, have the possibility to make the processed > signal heard via the PC speakers. > But my problem is that the use of filters provided by the program does not > make any difference to the audio at all. The spectrum is nicely displayed, > so there is no problem on that side. > > The same problem exists with other programs that are supposed to provide > audio filtering via the computer. What comes out of the PC speakers is the > signal at the input of the sound card. > Jan Harte, PA0HRT, experiences the same problem. > > Whatever is done with the volume controls, nothing helps. > > Any suggestions? > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > Hi Dick, try the software SbFFT12 by KW5Q. Download p.e. from: http://www.muenster.de/~welp/sb.htm#analyzer regards Uwe/dj8wx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 901 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 01:31:02 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 01:31:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 7774 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 01:31:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 01:31:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qdsz-0004Tz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:29:33 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qdsz-0004Tq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:29:33 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-179.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.179] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Qdsw-000Ejj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:29:31 +0000 Message-ID: <003101c2aaec$341cc660$b31686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2aac0$5164d2c0$01a501d5@main> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:29:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: LF Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false > I think what Jan-Martin has is the old LF Experimenters Sourcebook which is > a comb bound compilation with a blue cover, of copies of articles published > before 1995. In fact I think there were two editions of the "Sourcebook". > The book Dick is refering to is a later glossy bound printed book (pub 2001) > which is much more up to date with current projects., including Dave's Amp. > LF is moving so fast that we will be needing an update of that book soon !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK Yes, Alan is right. The original LF Experimenters Sourcebook was produced in 1996 in response to a requirement for information for the then new 73kHz allocation in the UK. Information for this book came from such sources as 'LF Scene' (by ZL1CA & ZL2BBJ), a column from the New Zealand ham radio mag 'Break In' and 'The Lowdown', the magazine of the Longwave Club of America; these guys were the only ones with experiance in LF at the time. It was produced comb bound with a blue cover. A second edition was produced in 1998. By this time we had some experiance of our own to include and we also had the new 136kHz band. This publication also was produced comb bound with a blue cover. These publications were produced rather hurredly to meet a need and the pages were photocopies of paste-ups. A higher quality publication was required and this was met with 'The Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook', which was published in 2000. I have included an Addendum and Erratta to this book on my website, shown below. Work on this site is a bit behind shedule but it will be updated very shortly. I have a mass of stuff that has been edited from hundreds of e-mails on the LF reflector and this also will be included. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8251 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 23:24:03 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 23:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18138 invoked by uid 10001); 23 Dec 2002 23:23:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 23:23:53 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qbte-0004EJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:22:06 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.113] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qbte-0004E9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:22:06 +0000 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 23:21:55 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.167.173] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 581gLwXV10217M30; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:21:52 GMT Message-ID: <3E079AA2.8010408@usa.net> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:22:10 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021223135158.00aaf7f0@POP3.freeler.nl> <001801c2aabf$76ba6e00$09e136d2@xtr743187> Subject: LF: Re: Audio problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Vernall wrote:
Dick PA0SE,
 
It was not until recently that I found out about the extent of "mixer control" placement(s) in a sound card.  There are analogue and digital mixers.  The MIC-IN, LINE-IN and CD-IN have inputs split to feed an A/D converter as well as an anlogue mixer going to the master volume control and LINE-OUT (also an internal power amplifier and speaker out on some sound cards, newer types have speaker matters external to the PC).
[...] 
I trust my text explanations are useful.  I do not have a block diagram at hand of a sound card, but if another reader does, and can scan it, then I'm sure it would be a good way to add to the information.
 
[...]

Bob, Dick  and all the interested,

   for a fairly long, detailed and somewhat boring description of how the Windows mixer works, please visit this link :

http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/mixer

Note : I am not the author of that material, I just found it sometime ago on the Web, and I saved it.
Sorry, I cannot give due credit to the author(s), as I lost this information.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19009 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 22:57:36 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 22:57:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 3286 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 22:57:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 22:57:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QbUn-00048x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:56:25 +0000 Received: from [209.226.175.26] (helo=tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QbUn-00048o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:56:25 +0000 Received: from [65.93.70.244] by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021223225623.MNOJ26716.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[65.93.70.244]> for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:56:23 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2106 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:57:13 -0500 From: "Mitch Powell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: 137 Canada proposal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MACOEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Season's Greetings to all: I have just received Radio Amateurs of Canada Jan/Feb 2003 magazine and found a very interesting note about 135.7-137.8 kHz "Amateur Band". I quote" Industry Canada Supports 135.7 - 137.8 kHz Amateur Band Following two years of joint proposal development by Radio Amateurs of Canada and Industry Canada, at the November 2002 meeting of CITEL ( the inter-American Telecommunication Commission), Industry Canada will table a formal proposal that the Amateur service around the world be authorized to operate in the band 135.7-137.8 kHz, subject to certain conditions. Approval of this meeting is a first step toward seeking approval at the World Radiocommunication Conference in Geneva, Switzerland in June 2003 (WRC 2003), where the proposal will have to be added to the WRC-2003 agenda. "unquote" There is a further, more detailed note explaining the activity in Europe and around the world - with notes about the ITU Region 2 ( the Americas ) activity with past transatlantic experiments. A hopeful start for an early Christmas present - maybe. Best wishes and a happy and merry Christmas to all on the list. Good health and may you all have low noise levels ! 73 Mitch VE3OT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27912 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 22:27:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 28922 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 22:27:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 22:27:25 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18Qb1X-00043M-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:26:11 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [194.25.134.82] (helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18Qb1X-00043D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:26:11 +0000 Received: from fwd09.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Qb1W-0007RI-05; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:26:10 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.31.197]) by fwd09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Qb1U-1PnpDcC; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:26:08 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021223135158.00aaf7f0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: <18Qb1U-1PnpDcC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Audio problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dick Rollema schrieb: > To All from PA0SE > > Some programs, like Spectran, have the possibility to make the processed > signal heard via the PC speakers. > But my problem is that the use of filters provided by the program does not > make any difference to the audio at all. The spectrum is nicely displayed, > so there is no problem on that side. > > The same problem exists with other programs that are supposed to provide > audio filtering via the computer. What comes out of the PC speakers is the > signal at the input of the sound card. > Jan Harte, PA0HRT, experiences the same problem. > > Whatever is done with the volume controls, nothing helps. > > Any suggestions? > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > Hi Dick, try the software SbFFT12 by KW5Q. Download p.e. from: http://www.muenster.de/~welp/sb.htm#analyzer regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25948 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:43:37 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:43:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29819 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:43:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:43:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QZPl-0003sN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:43:05 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QZPk-0003sE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:43:04 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.245] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A533B01002A0; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:42:27 -0600 Message-ID: <001001c2aac3$d1097dc0$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:42:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Fw: Spectran Software Versions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=OUTLOOK_FW_MSG,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SMTPD_IN_RCVD, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I found my problem. It was not a sound card and software incompatibility. It turned out to be and I/O error, "Idiot Operator" that had line in volume on mixer control turned down. Seems that you have to visit the mixer control and adjust for each "save settings" profile. 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Spectran Software Versions > Merry Christmas To All, > I've been DXing LF broadcasters, aviation and marine beacons and marine > ship to shore stations for 38 years BUT I'm new on this e-list and also to > the "digital" DXing aspects of LF. I downloaded Argo V1 B131 from > http://www.qsl.net/padan/argo/ and it is compatible with the older "Analog > Devices Audio 1815" sound card in my dedicated 133 mhz radio hobby computer. > I get sound coming out of my speakers from the sound card and visual input > from the sound card to the software. > I then downloaded Spectran Beta 3 B262 from > http://www.highnoonfilm.com/xmgr/specpak3_262.exe and it is also compatible > with my older sound card, as I get sound coming out of my speakers from the > sound card and visual input from the sound card to the software. However it > seems to be a stripped down version with no controls toolbar up top? Is > there a newer more complete version of Spectran 3 that I can download? > I ask because when I downloaded Spectran 4 V1 B107 from > http://www.qsl.net/padan/spectran.html it seems to be only partially > incompatible with my older sound card? When I run the sound card > compatibility utility all seems to run okay and it loads 3 pre sets but when > I start running the software I get no sound coming out of my speakers from > the sound card but am getting a visual input from the sound card to the > software. Is this normal to hear no sound when running Spectran 4 V1 B107 or > is it indeed a partial sound card incompatibility. > > 73, > Thomas Giella > KN4LF/NNN0HUS > Plant City, FL, USA > > KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation > Outlook: > http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm > > KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: > http://www.kn4lf.com > > FL Meteorological & Climatic Institute: > http://www.kn4lf.com/sub/fmci.htm > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20336 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:19:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:19:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 21378 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:19:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:19:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QZ2K-0003k1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:52 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QZ2K-0003js-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:52 +0000 Received: from host213-1-165-1.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.165.1] helo=main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18QZ2J-0004HR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2aac0$5164d2c0$01a501d5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:48:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false I think what Jan-Martin has is the old LF Experimenters Sourcebook which is a comb bound compilation with a blue cover, of copies of articles published before 1995. In fact I think there were two editions of the "Sourcebook". The book Dick is refering to is a later glossy bound printed book (pub 2001) which is much more up to date with current projects., including Dave's Amp. LF is moving so fast that we will be needing an update of that book soon !! Cheer de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3677 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:19:19 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:19:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26887 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:19:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:19:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QZ2L-0003kE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:53 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QZ2L-0003k5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:53 +0000 Received: from host213-1-165-1.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.165.1] helo=main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18QZ2K-0004HR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:18:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c2aac0$522e3d40$01a501d5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:17:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Propagation reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, Brian is well towards completing his rebuild and new web site, and has sent me a partial plot for last night. I though that, with the holidays comming up and some tests scheduled, I should try and provide some information. I apologise to those who have accessed the pages during the down period ( I was quite shocked to see how high the counter had jumped since my last activity) I will try to keep a running commentary on conditions through the new year. For those who have not accessed the page it can be visited via the "button" on Dave's (G3YXM) site www.wireless.org, or it can be accessed though my own site URL below after going from the Contents section to the Propagation introduction and clicking on Latest reports. The direct URL is http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm Happy Christmas and a Good New Year to all on LF. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25277 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:10:27 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:10:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12103 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 20:10:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 20:10:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QYtY-0003gh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:09:48 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QYtW-0003gY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:09:46 +0000 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021223200913.FPGG1199.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:09:13 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.225.9]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021223200911.NVKM18554.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:09:11 +1300 Message-ID: <001801c2aabf$76ba6e00$09e136d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021223135158.00aaf7f0@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:10:41 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Audio problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dick PA0SE,
 
It was not until recently that I found out about the extent of "mixer control" placement(s) in a sound card.  There are analogue and digital mixers.  The MIC-IN, LINE-IN and CD-IN have inputs split to feed an A/D converter as well as an anlogue mixer going to the master volume control and LINE-OUT (also an internal power amplifier and speaker out on some sound cards, newer types have speaker matters external to the PC).
 
The A/D converted data has a source selector switch (A/D or WAVE data) before reaching the PC bus.  On newer sound cards the bus has an AC97 compliant interface.  The DSP "number crunching" is done by the PC CPU and processed data then comes back to the sound card (delayed a little), where a digital mixer selects the source, it then goes through a stereo D/A converter, and further to the same analogue mixer that handles the MIC-IN, LINE-IN and CD-IN (the analogue input signals can bypass the digital processing).
 
Sound card drivers do not seem to provide user access to all mixers and switches on a card.  Different application software may include user input to selections of analogue and digital mixers, or pre-programme selections.  There is at least one FFT filter programme I have used that does apply the digitally filtered sound to the analogue output.  On the other hand, there are other programmes that do just as you describe, with only analogue going to audio out, presumably because the digital output is intended to go to the screen.
 
Some sound cards also have access to tone controls but I have yet to experience one.  I'm not sure whether tone control is on the input or output side, as I have seen some "spectrum displays" that seem to have minor frequency tilt, which it would be nice to correct to "flat" with tone controls.
 
I trust my text explanations are useful.  I do not have a block diagram at hand of a sound card, but if another reader does, and can scan it, then I'm sure it would be a good way to add to the information.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 2:03 AM
Subject: LF: Audio problem

To All from PA0SE

Some programs, like Spectran, have the possibility to make the processed signal heard via the PC speakers.
But my problem is that the use of  filters provided by the program does not make any difference to the audio at all. The spectrum is nicely displayed, so there is no problem on that side.

The same problem exists with other programs that are supposed to provide audio filtering via the computer.  What comes out of the PC speakers is the signal at the input of the sound card.
Jan Harte, PA0HRT, experiences the same problem.

Whatever is done with the volume controls, nothing helps.

Any suggestions?

73, Dick, PA0SE

 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17262 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 19:52:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 19:52:34 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 23505 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 19:52:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 19:52:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QYcF-0003Yp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:51:55 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QYcE-0003Yg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:51:54 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18QYc7-0005Ie-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:51:47 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18QYc6-0003Gu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:51:46 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021223183706.00ac2718@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:49:22 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000c01c2aaa4$3a7e2820$9ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Loops again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.43 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false At 16:55 23/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has >anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how >long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there >is the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference >between a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter. How much signal power a loop can deliver to the receiver depends on 2 factors - the area, and the Q (or losses). How much you need depends on the overall system design; how good or bad the RX is, whether you want to trade off sensitivity against bandwidth, have a wide tuning range, etc., so yes, it is a "how long is a piece of string" question. But as a rough guide, a 1m^2 tuned loop with a sensibly designed preamp, or with good matching to a low noise receiver will give a noise floor well below the band noise. The signal to noise ratio of the loop is good, but the absolute signal level is much smaller than with a vertical, so the performance of the receiver is much more important. If you double the size to 4m^2, the design becomes a lot less critical because you are picking up 12dB more signal to start with. With very large loops, almost anything will deliver more than adequate signal levels, but then you lose the advantages of a small loop - being able to rotate it for optimum peaking or nulling, and being able to move it to find a location with low noise levels. >Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several turns >in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop. It is largely a matter of convenience of design - Several alternatives have been mentioned; they all work if done properly. >I have a lot of information about all of these loops little and large but >never used a very small loop and might try but there is a lot of >conflicting info about the various configurations and I do not want to re >invent the wheel so if someone has had good practical results it would be >useful. Maybe it would be a good idea not to keep saying how they are all rubbish before you have actually tried them... >I have been watching QRS activity lately while in the shack doing other >things and notice a lot of CQ'S from various amateurs around the UK and >Europe and sometimes all going at once, the screen is getting cluttered, >but only a few result in QSO'S so it would appear obvious to me that the >majority are not seeing each other, and that would indicate poor receiving >capabilities. ...Or that they worked each other a couple of days ago. >I appear to be receiving all of the activity but my 90 meter perimiter >loop is reasonably large and is doing well on receive but not as good as >my vertical, however I would like to try a very small loop and compare >results, but I dont want to build several small loops varying in design, >if someone has already done this and knows which ones to forget about. >I know location is also important, good ground, reasonable and poor ground >etc under the loop and some use loops to null out qrm but I am not >concerned about qrm, this location is rural and as qrm free as one can >get, this is why my vertical is also good on receive. >Please dont tell me to read the Comic, I need todays technology. >73 de Mal/G3KEV > If you have no QRM, and adequate sensitivity already, you can't expect to gain much from other types of antennas. Perhaps you need to install more of today's technology - light dimmers, home entertainment systems, compact florescent bulbs, computers etc. etc. so you can really put things to the test! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 634 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 18:58:08 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 18:58:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 12428 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 18:57:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 18:57:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QXlW-0003DN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:57:26 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.82] (helo=mailout05.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QXlW-0003DG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:57:26 +0000 Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18QXlV-0007BR-05; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:57:25 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.224.53.73]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18QXlL-1PyH4qC; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:57:15 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c2a9fb$5c171fe0$20e4ebc3@BI57429bankinter> <002901c2aa98$e051bfc0$02001aac@morros> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Carrier X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:57:15 +0100 Message-ID: <18QXlL-1PyH4qC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Joan Morros, EA3FXF schrieb: > Jose Manuel, > antes que nada felices fiestas. > Soy EA3FXF de lleida, donde con el colega y amigo EA3GHS, estamos > "trabajando" la banda de 2206 metros. Pongo Las comillas porque aun no hemos > recibido nada en la banda aparte de la DFC39 que llega con 9+20. Sigue una > breve descripcion de las condiciones de trabajo: > > antena maconi: 10 x 20 metros situada en una azotea con radiales aislados. > Tx: 5W (TDA2030) > Rx: Yaesu ft767 + ARGOS > > Entiendo que no van a oirme, pero resulta extraño que aun no hayamos recibido > nada. > ¿Podriamos quedar en la banda para hacer una prueba de Rx, en las condiciones > que te parezcan mas convenientes? > > Un cordial saludo > Juan ea3fxf y Edu ea3gsh > > P.D.: Casi seguro que la portadora no era de nuestras pruebas. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: José Manuel > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 9:47 PM > Subject: LF: Carrier > > > Hi all: > > Does anybody else receive a continuos carrier on 137424.3 Hz ?? > > 73 de José, EA1PX > Holla Jose, nada en jo43sv a hora. saludos y Feliz Navidad Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21586 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 18:14:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 18:14:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7008 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 18:15:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 18:15:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QX66-00034a-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:14:38 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.40] (helo=imo-d08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QX65-00034O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:14:37 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.127.1ddf5f71 (4459) for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:13:59 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <127.1ddf5f71.2b38ac67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:13:59 EST Subject: Re: LF: The low frequency experimenter's handbook To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/23/02 10:57:37 AM GMT Standard Time, jan-martin.noding@telenor.com writes:


Subj:LF: The low frequency experimenter's handbook
Date:12/23/02 10:57:37 AM GMT Standard Time
From:    jan-martin.noding@telenor.com
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To All...

My The low frequency experimenter's handbook was published in 1995, feel it is very much outdated, are you talking about this book or is it a later book?

73 Jan-Martin
LA8AK

-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: Dick Rollema [mailto:d.w.rollema@freeler.nl]
Sendt: 21. desember 2002 10:16
Til: LF-Group
Emne: LF: G0MRF Class D Transmitter


To All from PA0SE

RSGB's magazine RadCom of January 2003 features the first part of an article by David Bowman, G0MRF, with title "A Class-D Transmitter for 136kHz".

As far as I can judge it is the same design as found in The low frequency experimenter's handbook by Peter, G3LDO, which has a picture of the amplifier on its cover.




Thanks for the publicity Dick.

I do have both parts of the 136k TX article as .pdf files.  Should anyone who is not a member of the RSGB want a copy of the article, please send an e-mail direct to me and I will forward.  (apx 300k per file)
You may need Acrobat Reader version 5 or above to open them.

73  + Merry Christmas to all.

David   G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20003 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 16:57:49 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 16:57:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 7879 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 16:57:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 16:57:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QVsg-0002lL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:56:42 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QVsg-0002lE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:56:42 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.156]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021223165640.VLTC21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:56:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2aaa4$3a7e2820$9ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loops again Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:55:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
With all the loop talk that has been going on since before time began has anyone found a design for a near perfect small loop, suppose its like how long is a piece of string, obviously the bigger the better but then there is the diminishing returns senario, it there much noticeable difference between a 2 meter side square loop and a 4meter.
Which is better a single turn loop, several turns in series, several turns in parallel and the best method of feed and matching at the loop.
I have a lot of information about all of these loops little and large but never used a very small loop and might try but there is a lot of conflicting info about the various configurations and I do not want to re invent the wheel so if someone has had good practical results it would be useful.
I have been watching QRS activity lately while in the shack doing other things and notice a lot of CQ'S from various amateurs around the UK and Europe and sometimes all going at once, the screen is getting cluttered, but only a few result in QSO'S so it would appear obvious to me that the majority are not seeing each other, and that would indicate poor receiving capabilities.
I appear to be receiving all of the activity but my 90 meter perimiter loop is reasonably large and is doing well on receive but not as good as my vertical, however I would like to try a very small loop and compare results, but I dont want to build several small loops varying in design, if someone has already done this and knows which ones to forget about.
I know location is also important, good ground, reasonable and poor ground etc under the loop and some use loops to null out qrm but I am not concerned about qrm, this location is rural and as qrm free as one can get, this is why my vertical is also good on receive.
Please dont tell me to read the Comic, I need todays technology.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
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Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12155 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 15:26:52 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 15:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 4229 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 15:26:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 15:26:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QUTL-0002NG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:26:27 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QUTK-0002Li-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:26:26 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.245] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AAFD9B42005C; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:25:49 -0600 Message-ID: <004201c2aa97$95806b00$f5cf0cd1@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a RSGB LF E-List" Subject: LF: Spectran Software Versions Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:25:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Merry Christmas To All, I've been DXing LF broadcasters, aviation and marine beacons and marine ship to shore stations for 38 years BUT I'm new on this e-list and also to the "digital" DXing aspects of LF. I downloaded Argo V1 B131 from http://www.qsl.net/padan/argo/ and it is compatible with the older "Analog Devices Audio 1815" sound card in my dedicated 133 mhz radio hobby computer. I get sound coming out of my speakers from the sound card and visual input from the sound card to the software. I then downloaded Spectran Beta 3 B262 from http://www.highnoonfilm.com/xmgr/specpak3_262.exe and it is also compatible with my older sound card, as I get sound coming out of my speakers from the sound card and visual input from the sound card to the software. However it seems to be a stripped down version with no controls toolbar up top? Is there a newer more complete version of Spectran 3 that I can download? I ask because when I downloaded Spectran 4 V1 B107 from http://www.qsl.net/padan/spectran.html it seems to be only partially incompatible with my older sound card? When I run the sound card compatibility utility all seems to run okay and it loads 3 pre sets but when I start running the software I get no sound coming out of my speakers from the sound card but am getting a visual input from the sound card to the software. Is this normal to hear no sound when running Spectran 4 V1 B107 or is it indeed a partial sound card incompatibility. 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com FL Meteorological & Climatic Institute: http://www.kn4lf.com/sub/fmci.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24417 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 15:25:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 24758 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 15:25:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 15:25:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QURf-0002LC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:24:43 +0000 Received: from [195.235.39.3] (helo=infomail.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QURZ-0002L0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:24:37 +0000 Received: from morros ([80.59.126.103]) by infomail.es (Tid InfoMail Exchanger v2.20) with SMTP id #1040657142.034710001; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:25:42 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c2aa98$e051bfc0$02001aac@morros> From: "Joan Morros, EA3FXF" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "eduardo ea3ghs" References: <000e01c2a9fb$5c171fe0$20e4ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Subject: LF: Re: Carrier Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:35:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Infomail-Id: 1040657142.0D8F010A811066.17142 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Jose Manuel,
antes que nada felices fiestas.
Soy EA3FXF de  lleida, donde con el colega y amigo EA3GHS, estamos "trabajando" la banda de 2206 metros. Pongo Las comillas porque aun no hemos recibido nada en la banda aparte de la DFC39 que llega con 9+20. Sigue una breve descripcion de las condiciones de trabajo:
 
antena maconi: 10 x 20 metros situada en una azotea con radiales aislados.
Tx: 5W (TDA2030)
Rx: Yaesu ft767 + ARGOS
 
Entiendo que no van a oirme, pero resulta extraño que aun no hayamos recibido nada.
¿Podriamos quedar en la banda para hacer una prueba de Rx, en las condiciones que te parezcan mas convenientes?
 
Un cordial saludo
Juan ea3fxf y Edu ea3gsh
 
P.D.: Casi seguro que la portadora no era de nuestras pruebas.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: LF: Carrier

Hi all:
 
Does anybody else receive a continuos carrier on 137424.3 Hz ??
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23896 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 14:35:56 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 14:35:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3388 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 14:35:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 14:35:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QTfi-0002AZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:35:10 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QTfi-0002AS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:35:10 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h168096.nexo.es [195.235.168.96]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA21947 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:35:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001401c2aa90$5f9f8ea0$60a8ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Carrier Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:32:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all:
Some times along the day appears carrier on 137424.2 Hz again, small change or frequency drift. Anybody tetsing rig or commercial? Audible here.
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27026 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 13:59:46 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 13:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14112 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 13:59:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 13:59:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QT6k-00021w-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:59:02 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QT6k-00021p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:59:02 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:58:31 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:58:31 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:58:31 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:58:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: LF: LF group subscription?? Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:58:29 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF36902A@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Re: RE: 136 ACTY Thread-Index: AcKqeTMmRAEWSgfjQGidJtOiehbzNAAEZ+vg From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2002 13:58:31.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[603D2070:01C2AA8B] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Tried several times to request that mails should be sent to my home email address, but so far - invain, it is incorrectly sent to work email address. Should this cause some problems with automatic 'out of office' messages you know the reason, my email address is LA8AK@online.no 73 es merry xmas ... Jan-Martin --- N4623-Kristiansand (tel.: +47-380-87178) http://www.laud.no/la6nca/LA8AK/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8441 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 13:18:53 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 13:18:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 8116 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 13:18:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 13:18:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QST2-0001sp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:18:00 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QST2-0001si-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:18:00 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18QSSx-0005bL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:17:55 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18QSSv-0006ni-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:17:53 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021223130215.00af3968@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:17:51 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Happy Christmas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Dear LF Group, Wishing a happy Christmas to all readers of the LF reflector, and all the best for 2003 My office is closed for Christmas from tomorrow mid-day until 2nd of January - for various boring reasons I do not have e-mail at home yet, so I will be out of touch between these times. I hope to be QRV on LF between now and then; I am planning to operate the Jason beacon during the nights of Saturday 28th and Sunday 29th on 137.500kHz again, unless someone comes up with other suggestions soon! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 732 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 13:00:50 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 13:00:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 18813 invoked by uid 10001); 23 Dec 2002 13:00:45 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 13:00:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QSBI-0001nF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:59:40 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.53] (helo=cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QSBH-0001n8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:59:39 +0000 Received: from [62.21.136.196] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18QSBG-0002vk-00; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:59:38 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021223135158.00aaf7f0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:03:05 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: LF: Audio problem Cc: "Jan Harte" , "Gerrit Jan Huijsman" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Some programs, like Spectran, have the possibility to make the processed signal heard via the PC speakers.
But my problem is that the use of  filters provided by the program does not make any difference to the audio at all. The spectrum is nicely displayed, so there is no problem on that side.

The same problem exists with other programs that are supposed to provide audio filtering via the computer.  What comes out of the PC speakers is the signal at the input of the sound card.
Jan Harte, PA0HRT, experiences the same problem.

Whatever is done with the volume controls, nothing helps.

Any suggestions?

73, Dick, PA0SE

  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8962 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 12:02:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 12:02:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 24206 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 12:02:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 12:02:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QRHH-0001ZB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:01:47 +0000 Received: from [192.108.125.37] (helo=ns3.swh.sk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QRHH-0001Z4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:01:47 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id gBNC1j101469 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:01:45 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA05602 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:01:36 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A00B@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: 136 ACTY Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:01:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Hi Mike... Nothing seen from you on QRSS. Since october-november I have a strange QRM. It looks like interference from the nearest MF broadcast. During the night time is a problem to copy anything, because a QRM from streetlights. I just build an frame loop antenna for receiving (G3LNP). So, maybe my RX capabilities will improve in next few days. Best regards and I hope to see you again. 73 de RIch OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dennison [mailto:mike.dennison@ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:45 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136 ACTY > I'm back on 136khz, mainly CW. Sri Mal for the hole on your screen...hi. > Time to time I prefer a comfortable QRSS, because I have a lot of QRM from > my childern (3 and 7 years old). It's realy a hard problem to play football > or to make an snowman with my sons during the CW QSO....hi. If I put CQ ond > wait for the possible answer on QRSS, I have around 15 minutes break (time > to play). So sometimes is a question of "to be or not to be" ...on the air > of course...hi. Best regards and I hope to see you on the band during next > few days of holiday. > 73 and Marry Xmas and HNY 2003 de Rich OM2TW Rich, I called you twice on Sunday, but you obviously did not hear me. I agree that QRSS fits in with other activities, especially as it is silent. 73 Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8928 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 12:02:48 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 12:02:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22563 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 12:02:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 12:02:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QRHl-0001ZL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:02:17 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.8] (helo=imo-m05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QRHj-0001Z3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:02:15 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.d4.2098b84a (4584) for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:01:39 EST Subject: Re: LF: The low frequency experimenter's handbook To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jan-Martin,

Mine is published in 2000 by Peter G3LDO,
ISBN 1-872309-65-8 .

Hope this helps.

Regards and Happy Christmas,

Wolf DL4YHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25550 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 11:45:22 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 11:45:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 29081 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 11:45:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 11:45:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QR0O-0001TK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:44:20 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QR0J-0001TD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:44:15 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021223114414.SYXT4699.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:44:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2aa78$c5d89c60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A003@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: RE: 136 ACTY Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:45:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) > I'm back on 136khz, mainly CW. Sri Mal for the hole on your screen...hi. > Time to time I prefer a comfortable QRSS, because I have a lot of QRM from > my childern (3 and 7 years old). It's realy a hard problem to play football > or to make an snowman with my sons during the CW QSO....hi. If I put CQ ond > wait for the possible answer on QRSS, I have around 15 minutes break (time > to play). So sometimes is a question of "to be or not to be" ...on the air > of course...hi. Best regards and I hope to see you on the band during next > few days of holiday. > 73 and Marry Xmas and HNY 2003 de Rich OM2TW Rich, I called you twice on Sunday, but you obviously did not hear me. I agree that QRSS fits in with other activities, especially as it is silent. 73 Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32133 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 10:57:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 10:57:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13650 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 10:57:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 10:57:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QQFr-0001Dg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:56:15 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QQFq-0001DW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:56:14 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:38 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:37 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:37 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:37 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: LF: The low frequency experimenter's handbook Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:55:37 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF369026@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: G0MRF Class D Transmitter Thread-Index: AcKo2HYwiOQEZ+3YSd+aU1bxVTwivwBmQ5Yw From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2002 10:55:37.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[D365DD90:01C2AA71] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To All...
 
My The low frequency experimenter's handbook was published in 1995, feel it is very much outdated, are you talking about this book or is it a later book?
 
73 Jan-Martin
LA8AK
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
Fra: Dick Rollema [mailto:d.w.rollema@freeler.nl]
Sendt: 21. desember 2002 10:16
Til: LF-Group
Emne: LF: G0MRF Class D Transmitter

To All from PA0SE

RSGB's magazine RadCom of January 2003 features the first part of an article by David Bowman, G0MRF, with title "A Class-D Transmitter for 136kHz".

As far as I can judge it is the same design as found in The low frequency experimenter's handbook by Peter, G3LDO, which has a picture of the amplifier on its cover.
But an article in two parts in RadCom obviously has more room for details.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4732 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 10:53:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 10:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 15068 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 10:53:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 10:53:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QQAL-0001CF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:50:33 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QQAK-0001C8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:50:33 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:49:57 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:49:56 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:49:57 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:49:57 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:49:56 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF369025@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes Thread-Topic: RE: Re: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Thread-Index: AcKp4CyGmvJARLcMRpypIlW583yY5AAjZ8nA From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2002 10:49:57.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[08B34D30:01C2AA71] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000004070700060306090301" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000004070700060306090301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi It seems to be some problems with expressions. My first reaction is as simple as saying that "if it is three variable" you don't know what makes the improvement when you change all three at the same time. For many years I thought that it was an idea to use a balanced amplifier, and did some efforts on this. But how do you build a balanced amplifier? The article in Electronics World August 2002 shows the application of an OP-amp, this is probably the only realistic solution. Have also seen some more or less strange versions with 2x MPF102 and 2N3904 or similar. My experience (and other) says that it is extremely difficult to build a balanced amplifier, as is it to build a balanced mixer using JFETs, it doesn't come by it's own. JFETs have very much varying IDSS, and for MPF102 it is quoted 2-20mA. But even if you find two almost equal devices you should verify the balance. What is the advantage if one device has Yfs 10% lower than the opposite? The center-grounded-loop is already balanced at as long as you use a high impedance amplifier connected to one side it is still balanced. But I was curious, I had already experience that the high impedance amplifier wasn't necessary for 80m or 160m, it only added extra noise, the only purpose it serves is impedance matching between the high impedance side of loop to the receiver - with some gain, but you don't need this gain, so the difference is only extra noise. A coupling loop is sufficient on 160 and 80m - with less atmospheric noise. My converter system doesn't have much gain, but as long as noise increases when antenna is connected it is an indication that sensitivity is better than needed. 73 es happy xmas Jan-Martin LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- From: Ashlock,William [mailto:William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com] Sendt: 22. desember 2002 18:30 Steve says: >"I have had good results with an ordinary (unbalanced) air-core loop of 10' >diameter. Nulls are approaching 50 db on groundwave signals. The loop uses >a standard single-turn pickup loop out to the rx via 50 ohm coax. I agree > with Jan that a preamp is of no value once your limiting noise floor is > background sky/atmospheric noise". Jan says: >"As long as the background noise without pre-amplifier is 10-20dB above the >background band >noise it is totally vaste to use a pre-amplifier, it may only worsening the >result I already agree to the balance, but using a balanced amplifier for a >balanced antenna is only amateur nonsense." I'm guessing that the only problem we have here is the terminology. Steve says his loop is unbalanced. I would call it 'floating' since the connection to the receiver is an isolated single-turn pickup coil. If he were to connect one side of the main loop winding to the coax shield it would become unbalanced and the performance would be degraded considerably. If the loop is a single winding center-tapped design, a balanced amplifier having three input connections, a +, -, and a common is needed. Call it a differential amplifier if you would like. At my base situation an amplifier is required because I do NOT have the '10db above background' condition, identified above, for my weakest signals. The problem is that there are large 60Hz plus harmonics (buzzz), currents in the ground that my 200ft coax lead-in picks up. I'm thinking of trying a balanced line (oops, here we go again ) per John Andrew's suggestion, in order to eliminate this pickup ......so the need for the amplifier goes away. 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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Hi: José >Does anybody else receive a continuos carrier on 137424.3 Hz ?? My receiver does not have the frequency resolution to measure to the figure you quote, however there has been a carrier on 137.450 seen here ever since the band was allocated. It is audible here and may originate from France. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18032 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 09:46:00 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 09:46:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3664 invoked by uid 10001); 23 Dec 2002 09:45:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 09:45:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QP8h-0000s3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:44:47 +0000 Received: from [213.228.0.169] (helo=postfix3-2.free.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QP8h-0000rw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:44:47 +0000 Received: from veronique (toulouse-2-a7-62-147-38-165.dial.proxad.net [62.147.38.165]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 06CD4C162 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:44:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c2aa68$dd5ee660$0696ffbe@veronique> From: "f5maf" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c2a9fb$5c171fe0$20e4ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Subject: LF: Re: Carrier Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:51:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi José,
yesterday evening I saw something on 137424 Hz a carrier with a good signal .
noise floor -130 dB, carrier -105 dB, DBF49 -85 dB.
 
I heart (signal 5)  Cesare (I5TGC) in QRSS yesterday morning.
 
Some Tests in QRSS6 yesterday at 22:50 UTC on 137.770.
 
73
 
Marc
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Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 9:47 PM
Subject: LF: Carrier

Hi all:
 
Does anybody else receive a continuos carrier on 137424.3 Hz ??
 
73 de José, EA1PX
 

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15364 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 09:24:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 09:24:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27754 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 09:24:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 09:24:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QOli-0000iR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:21:02 +0000 Received: from [192.108.125.37] (helo=ns3.swh.sk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QOli-0000iK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:21:02 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id gBN9L0129978 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:21:00 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01390 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:20:51 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:20:49 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A004@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: New ones... Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:20:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Hi all LF-ers... Saturday morning (21.12.2002) I have worked Teo YU7AR CW/QRSS, than 2 x CW and sunday afternoon 2 x QRSS. Nice first one and the first YU-OM QSO ever (on LF of course...hi). Merry Xmas and HNY 2003... 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23902 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 09:23:06 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 09:23:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 9859 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 09:23:02 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 09:23:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.12) id 18QOig-0000hZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:17:54 +0000 Received: from [192.108.125.37] (helo=ns3.swh.sk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18QOif-0000hR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:17:53 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id gBN9Hn129887 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:17:51 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01321 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:17:41 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:17:39 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D6A003@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 136 ACTY Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:17:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; Exit with error (see exim mainlog) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mal and others...
 
I'm back on 136khz, mainly CW. Sri Mal for the hole on your screen...hi. Time to time I prefer a comfortable QRSS, because I have a lot of QRM from my childern (3 and 7 years old). It's realy a hard problem to play football or to make an snowman with my sons during the CW QSO....hi. If I put CQ ond wait for the possible answer on QRSS, I have around 15 minutes break (time to play). So sometimes is a question of "to be or not to be" ...on the air of course...hi. Best regards and I hope to see you on the band during next few days of holiday.
 
73 and Marry Xmas and HNY 2003 de Rich OM2TW 
-----Original Message-----
From: hamilton mal [mailto:g3kev.ham@virgin.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 5:22 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 136 ACTY

    Sunday
Lots of acty about mainly on qrs and OM2TW is burning a hole in my screen hi. More CQ'S going on than actual QSO'S. Qrs is a slow job compared to normal CW especially when everybody is audible with me. I dont think I have ever seen a signal that I could not hear even the weakest ones.
As well as narrow cw IF filters down to 20 hz  I also use a DSP external audio tunable filter system.
With the narrow filters I am able to hear signals that are barely audible and buried in noise with wider bandwidths
 
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26060 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 20:49:47 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 20:49:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 1905 invoked by uid 10001); 22 Dec 2002 20:49:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 20:49:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18QD1B-00075E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:48:13 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18QD1B-000755-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:48:13 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h228032.nexo.es [195.235.228.32]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA17227 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:48:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000e01c2a9fb$5c171fe0$20e4ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:47:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Carrier Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all:
 
Does anybody else receive a continuos carrier on 137424.3 Hz ??
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30912 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 18:51:53 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 18:51:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 27021 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 18:51:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 18:51:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18QBBq-0006Hl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:51:06 +0000 Received: from [80.82.32.9] (helo=serv1.vsi.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18QBBl-0006Hc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:51:01 +0000 Received: from rx3qfm (nasx-g108.dial.vsi.ru [80.82.37.108]) by serv1.vsi.ru (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id gBMIoTG19205 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:50:30 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <018e01c2a9eb$0dd8dcc0$58255250@sckr.com> From: "Vladimir Shuplyakov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221121931.00a97e38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20021222143652.02770940@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:31:15 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Jason last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim, nice to write you after long period! I will test your Jasson beacon next weekend. If a possible to start litle bit early (from 20 GMT) I will happy test from my urban QTH. No so big chances... I copy DCF39 ~ 45-50db S/N ratio in 1 Hz band... No comparable with my summer residence :-(( 73! Vlad. RX3QFM. (QTH - KO91OP - Voronezh.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Jason last night > Dear LF Group, > > Thanks for the reports on the Jason signals, glad to see that more people > are having success with this mode. Also, thanks to Steinar for my first > report from Norway. It looks like the recent spate of solar activity has > messed up propagation, though. > > I had a bit of a problem with the TX last night; I noticed the output was > fluctuating intermittently, which has been caused by corona on the antenna > in the past. But after spending some time out in the rain, I could see > nothing unusual. Eventually, it turned out that the problem was due to the > synthesizer frequency jumping around, and for the last hour or so I used a > different signal source. Fortunately, it does not seemed to have prevented > people copying the signal. The problem with the synthesizer eventually > turned out to be a wire in the PSU that someone had forgotten to solder on, > but had been more or less making a contact for the last 20 years! > > I will give the beacon a rest tonight; if anybody would like to try > different times and/or frequencies, please let me know. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14576 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 17:31:30 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 17:31:30 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 13598 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 17:31:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 17:31:21 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q9vy-0005xR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:30:38 +0000 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q9vx-0005xI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:30:37 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1040578232!13809 Received: (qmail 5368 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-2.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 17:30:32 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSKVTPPK; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:34:20 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:30:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Steve says: >"I have had good results with an ordinary (unbalanced) air-core loop of 10' >diameter. Nulls are approaching 50 db on groundwave signals. The loop uses a >standard single-turn pickup loop out to the rx via 50 ohm coax. I agree with Jan that a preamp is of no value once your limiting noise floor is background sky/atmospheric noise". Jan says: >"As long as the background noise without pre-amplifier is 10-20dB above the background band >noise it is totally vaste to use a pre-amplifier, it may only worsening the result >I already agree to the balance, but using a balanced amplifier for a balanced >antenna is only amateur nonsense." I'm guessing that the only problem we have here is the terminology. Steve says his loop is unbalanced. I would call it 'floating' since the connection to the receiver is an isolated single-turn pickup coil. If he were to connect one side of the main loop winding to the coax shield it would become unbalanced and the performance would be degraded considerably. If the loop is a single winding center-tapped design, a balanced amplifier having three input connections, a +, -, and a common is needed. Call it a differential amplifier if you would like. At my base situation an amplifier is required because I do NOT have the '10db above background' condition, identified above, for my weakest signals. The problem is that there are large 60Hz plus harmonics (buzzz), currents in the ground that my 200ft coax lead-in picks up. I'm thinking of trying a balanced line (oops, here we go again ) per John Andrew's suggestion, in order to eliminate this pickup ......so the need for the amplifier goes away. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7701 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 16:27:23 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 16:27:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 21994 invoked by uid 10001); 22 Dec 2002 16:27:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 16:27:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q8sQ-0005jV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:22:54 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q8sL-0005jM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:22:49 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.158]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021222162248.JNKX5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:22:48 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c2a9d6$553aaf40$9ee4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:21:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 136 ACTY Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    Sunday
Lots of acty about mainly on qrs and OM2TW is burning a hole in my screen hi. More CQ'S going on than actual QSO'S. Qrs is a slow job compared to normal CW especially when everybody is audible with me. I dont think I have ever seen a signal that I could not hear even the weakest ones.
As well as narrow cw IF filters down to 20 hz  I also use a DSP external audio tunable filter system.
With the narrow filters I am able to hear signals that are barely audible and buried in noise with wider bandwidths
 
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31690 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 15:12:43 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 15:12:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 5085 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 15:12:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 15:12:32 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q7ld-0005VA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:11:49 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q7ld-0005V1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:11:49 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Q7lY-0001Yj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:11:44 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Q7lW-0000Lm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:11:42 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021222143652.02770940@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:11:40 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221121931.00a97e38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Re: Jason last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, Thanks for the reports on the Jason signals, glad to see that more people are having success with this mode. Also, thanks to Steinar for my first report from Norway. It looks like the recent spate of solar activity has messed up propagation, though. I had a bit of a problem with the TX last night; I noticed the output was fluctuating intermittently, which has been caused by corona on the antenna in the past. But after spending some time out in the rain, I could see nothing unusual. Eventually, it turned out that the problem was due to the synthesizer frequency jumping around, and for the last hour or so I used a different signal source. Fortunately, it does not seemed to have prevented people copying the signal. The problem with the synthesizer eventually turned out to be a wire in the PSU that someone had forgotten to solder on, but had been more or less making a contact for the last 20 years! I will give the beacon a rest tonight; if anybody would like to try different times and/or frequencies, please let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16735 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 13:01:48 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 13:01:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 103 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 13:01:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 13:01:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q5j5-00056P-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:01:03 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q5j5-00056G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:01:03 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-132.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.132] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q5j4-000KrI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:01:02 +0000 Message-ID: <002801c2a9ba$70a57ce0$841686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221121931.00a97e38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:02:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Jason test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim M0BMU said ------------------------------ > Looking at http://www.lightningstorm.com/ls2/gpg/lex1/mapdisplay_free.jsp > it seems that the thunderstorms in the US have finally died out for the > time being, so I will run the Jason beacon again tonight, in the hope of > catching some long-distance propagation before the ionosphere goes on > strike (and assuming there is some electricity available by then!). I hope > to run the beacon from 2200 - 0300 utc, and frequency will be 137.500kHz > again. Any reports will be very welcome. -------------------------------- I had QSYed up from 73kHz and was going to transmit QRSS (well did for a short while on 137.32) and noticed a big signal on 137.5. I didn't have a copy of Jason so I loaded the latest edition and it worked perfectly first time, within 20mins of installation. That's how S/W should work! Jim's signal was very large so I reduced it by first switching over to the HF minibeam then switching in first the AIP then 20dBs of attenuation. Still perfect copy. I returned the receiver to full sensitivity and switched the antenna out altogether (at the antenna selector coax switch) I received a signal with lots of errors but got a full call M0BMU. I then went back to the minibeam and reduced sensitivity described above and further reduced the signal while monitoring it in Argo. It appeared that Jason works very well, no matter how weak, provided it is not corrupted by noise. The QRN was not too bad last night but there was a lot of spurious stuff from the Luxemburg effect. Under these conditions last night Jason performed better than QRSS3 but not quite as well as QRSS10 in terms readability. Another impressive bit of SW Alberto. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20540 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 11:52:40 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 11:52:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 17256 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 11:52:33 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 11:52:33 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q4dk-0004tv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:51:28 +0000 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q4dj-0004tm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:51:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 18653 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 14:51:24 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 14:51:24 +0300 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:51:35 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <173421656178.20021222145135@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000001c2a99a$8954f7e0$1da05250@igor> References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <000101c2a936$b74e8620$47c428c3@erica> <000001c2a99a$8954f7e0$1da05250@igor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Dec 27-28 UA6-activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello LF_Group! I am planning to be active from Machta (KN97LN) Dec 27-28 The prospective time-table of my activity on LF on days and on hours (time in UTC): (at KN97LN Sunset abt 1340, Sunrise 0510z) (freq my day's Beacon test 137.700) DEC 27: 1300 - 1700 RX ZL6QH beacon test 1730 - .... QRS3 137.700 or CW 136.6 (look also in QRS10 DEC 28-29: 0500 - 1500 QRS3/CW 1w ERP Beacon test ("RU6LA 1W") (Probably I once again shall RX ZL6QH test) 1500 - .... QRS3 137.700 or CW 136.6 OFF I have a DX-cluster. Also it is possible to inform me abt Report to pager(all time with me) via e-mail: e-mail: vesso@crypt.rnd.ru Subject: 29600 In body: text The equipment same as well as in Nov 6-10: Ant TX - Big Vertical , PA - 100w Output, TS-850, Ant RX - 1km BV (Dec 27 after 1700 without terminated resistance and direction to ZL <-> West Eu, Dec 28 - direction to West Eu) Now I discuss in RussianDX_List an opportunity of my trip to Asian UA. While there are offers from UA9F, UA9W, UA9O and UA0A. Up to West Europe it is all abt 4000 - 6000km As soon as I shall choose As UA QTH and all will be ready, I shall inform about my As UA DX-pedition in RSGB_LF_List. I saw in G3YXM Dave's Noticeboard msg by OK1SIP. Probably he too reads RussianDX_list Merry Christmas & HNY ! 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6505 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 10:27:50 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 10:27:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 7748 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 10:27:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 10:27:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q3JQ-0004dv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:26:24 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q3JP-0004dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:26:23 +0000 Received: from [213.40.204.244] (helo=tcs1) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18Q3Il-0006EU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:25:44 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:27:23 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221121931.00a97e38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Power Cuts / Jason tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090203000804020309040906" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090203000804020309040906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jim & LF, Thanks again Jim for the instructions using JASON, I was able to receive your transmission last night (screen shot attached). Although I was able to hear your signal I still feel very excited about receiving in that mode for the first time. The checks I made following your advice made me realise how mis-aligned my receiver (Yeasu FT747GX) was, so I spent some time yesterday afternoon carrying out re-alignment & managed to achieve an error of no more than 2 Hz in the USB, LSB & CW modes using the test equipment available to me. The transceiver needs to switched on for at least an hour to reach best frequency stability, so little by little I am refining the station for operation on 136 Khz, Unfortunately a little accident building the transmitter has left me without one of the main components & the supplier is out of stock until mid January. I will be interested (as I am sure others will be) to see the results of the transmission here on LF e-mail. Regards Gary G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 21 December 2002 12:46 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Power Cuts / Jason tonight I hope to run the beacon from 2200 - 0300 utc, and frequency will be 137.500kHz again. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q28m-0004QS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:11:20 +0000 Received: from [80.237.11.62] (helo=mx.senergy.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q28m-0004QJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:11:20 +0000 Received: from senergy.ru (ns.senergy.ru [213.59.156.2] (may be forged)) by mx.senergy.ru (8.12.3/8.12.3/2002121000/inode) with ESMTP id gBM9Antu034567 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:10:49 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from grigorov@bel.ru) Received: from igor (29.nas3.dip.senergy.ru [80.82.160.29]) by senergy.ru (8.12.1/8.12.1/2002040900) with SMTP id gBM9Albi023195 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:10:47 +0300 Message-ID: <000001c2a99a$8954f7e0$1da05250@igor> From: "Igor Grigorov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <000101c2a936$b74e8620$47c428c3@erica> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:13:13 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Yagi (off subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Peter: It was reprinted at Proc. IRE, #5, Vol. 72, 1984. Regards, Igor, RK3ZK > I apologise for this off subject question but I am not sure where else to > look. > I am trying to find a detailed description of the original experiments done > by Prof Uda on the parasitic element antenna now known as the Yagi. I have > one reference Proc. IRE, 16 715-740 June 1928 but don't know how to get at > it. Do you know of any other sources? > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30737 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 07:52:35 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 07:52:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 51 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 07:52:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 07:52:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Q0qf-0004Dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:48:33 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Q0qa-0004DT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:48:28 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.94.7]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021222074827.HNJS15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:48:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c2a98f$1abce640$075e89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <000101c2a936$b74e8620$47c428c3@erica> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 07:52:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Yagi (off subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: g3ldo To: Sent: 21 December 2002 21:16 Subject: LF: Yagi (off subject) > I apologise for this off subject question but I am not sure where else to > look. > I am trying to find a detailed description of the original experiments done > by Prof Uda on the parasitic element antenna now known as the Yagi. I have > one reference Proc. IRE, 16 715-740 June 1928 but don't know how to get at > it. Do you know of any other sources? You might be surprised what your local library can do for you. Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14207 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 00:15:50 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 00:15:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 21466 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 00:15:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 00:15:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ptls-0001lx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:15:08 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ptls-0001lo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:15:08 +0000 Received: from host213-122-149-78.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.149.78] helo=main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Ptlp-0005ux-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:15:05 +0000 Message-ID: <004001c2a94f$0b054340$4e957ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:14:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A prop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All, there was a geomag storm (Kp=5) today in the early morning, so It may be that John has some noise increase? The plot from SXV is not looking too good so far to night but I dont really know how to interpret it. Last nights suggested that absorption was setting in already. ...Sooooo any results tonight will be interesting. A CME from the M2.7 flare on Thursday is due (acc. to NOAA) to arrive tomorrow to keep the ionosphere "bubbling" This could be three storms in 4 days, so the outlook is declining. Good Luck all Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31391 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 23:32:49 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 23:32:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 10294 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Dec 2002 23:32:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 23:32:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Pt61-0001ch-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:31:53 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.13] (helo=dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pt61-0001bQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:31:53 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 60376878 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:31:22 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c2a949$15af1e20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c2a941$9d2f8220$74ccfc3e@ian> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:31:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Jason tonite. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group No sign of Jim from 2200 to 2330. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9198 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 22:37:58 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 22:37:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 5306 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 22:37:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 22:37:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PsFW-0001P8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:38 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PsFV-0001Oz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:38 +0000 Received: from host213-122-35-78.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.35.78] helo=main) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PsFU-0001hS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:37 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c2a941$6bd9cf00$4e237ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:36:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re YAGI paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Peter I guess the best place would be the IEE Library, they do chage but I think will now take plastic. It used to be £8 for a non-member but it was going up tp £10-50 I believe.......unless you can find a member to order it for you !! www.iee.org and go to the library they have an excellent searchable index and it will tell you whether it is in their vaults...if so you can order a copy to be posted to you. I have found the service very good......errr unfortunately I'm not a member....I'm a physicist and we dont have a nice facilty like that!! Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26244 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 22:37:42 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 22:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5165 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 22:37:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 22:37:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PsEx-0001Oi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:03 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PsEw-0001OZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:02 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.204.116]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021221223701.RUL5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:37:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c2a941$9d2f8220$74ccfc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:36:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Jason tonite. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Perfect copy but only S5 tonight Jim. Ian MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21137 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 22:10:26 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 22:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 15557 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 22:10:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 22:10:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ProZ-0001Ip-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:09:47 +0000 Received: from [208.181.178.237] (helo=neptune.imagenisp.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ProZ-0001Ig-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:09:47 +0000 Received: from jsm ([204.244.17.105]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id ZLLK25MY; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:13:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c2a93e$674903a0$6911f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "tacos" , "lf" References: <3DD6356A.8070000@usa.net> <3DD7D1A3.20509@usa.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:14:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Medfer NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Does anyone know if Dex's 510.500 KHz beacon is 24/7 now? Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16087 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 21:19:02 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 21:19:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 9902 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 21:18:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 21:18:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Pr0e-00016u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:18:12 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pr0e-00016l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:18:12 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-71.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.71] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pr0b-0003oO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:18:10 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c2a936$b74e8620$47c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:16:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Yagi (off subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I apologise for this off subject question but I am not sure where else to look. I am trying to find a detailed description of the original experiments done by Prof Uda on the parasitic element antenna now known as the Yagi. I have one reference Proc. IRE, 16 715-740 June 1928 but don't know how to get at it. Do you know of any other sources? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17596 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 21:18:59 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 21:18:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 21457 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 21:18:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 21:18:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Pr0b-00016h-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:18:09 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pr0b-00016Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:18:09 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-71.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.71] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pr0a-0003oO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:18:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2a936$b66389e0$47c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:10:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Heavy rain so I have had to postpone further 73kHz antenna tests for the time being. I will be transmitting on 137.3+ tonight (Sat) and tomorrow for QRSS contacts. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15345 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 19:50:01 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 19:50:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 10073 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 19:49:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 19:49:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PpZN-0000sq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:45:57 +0000 Received: from [213.228.0.169] (helo=postfix3-2.free.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PpZN-0000sh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:45:57 +0000 Received: from veronique (toulouse-2-a7-62-147-211-96.dial.proxad.net [62.147.211.96]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 461FEC156 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:45:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000501c2a92a$8175d960$0696ffbe@veronique> From: "f5maf" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:52:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS QSO this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Mike, yes after 11:00 GMT qrm was hight. At Tomorrow 230W in 11 m vetical top hat capacitor antenna Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: LF: Re: QRSS QSO this morning > > Two QSO this morning : > > M0BMU with a good signal (OK Jim for the power off, I ad a similar PB but > > with a reset PC!) > > F6BWO with a good signal (QRM at the end of QSO). It's my first QSO with a > > French station on 137 KHz! > > Marc > > F5MAF > > I called you after you worked F6BWO, but I expect you went QRT. > > Mike, G3XDV > http://www.lf.thersgb.net > ==================== > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2502 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 16:49:14 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 16:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7523 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 16:49:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 16:49:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Pmmx-0000Uz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:47:47 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.41] (helo=mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pmmx-0000Uq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:47:47 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021221164746.BIPN22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:47:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2a910$d6c1ef40$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:48:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS QSO this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Two QSO this morning : > M0BMU with a good signal (OK Jim for the power off, I ad a similar PB but > with a reset PC!) > F6BWO with a good signal (QRM at the end of QSO). It's my first QSO with a > French station on 137 KHz! > Marc > F5MAF I called you after you worked F6BWO, but I expect you went QRT. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4826 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 14:00:15 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 14:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 23014 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 14:00:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 14:00:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PkAR-00005S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:59:51 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.17] (helo=mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PkAQ-00005J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:59:50 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 12354908 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 08:58:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c2a8f9$7a0b9e20$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221121931.00a97e38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:01:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Power Cuts / Jason tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim, >I hope > to run the beacon from 2200 - 0300 utc, and frequency will be 137.500kHz > again. Any reports will be very welcome. I think Dex would appreciate a different frequency. Maybe he can suggest one. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21162 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 13:42:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 23190 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 13:42:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 13:42:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PjtZ-0008Rt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:42:25 +0000 Received: from [213.228.0.169] (helo=postfix3-2.free.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PjtZ-0008Rk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:42:25 +0000 Received: from veronique (toulouse-4-a7-62-147-201-114.dial.proxad.net [62.147.201.114]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 24891C0A0 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:42:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00d101c2a8f7$b89ed280$0696ffbe@veronique> From: "f5maf" To: "VLF Group" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:49:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: QRSS QSO this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi group Two QSO this morning : M0BMU with a good signal (OK Jim for the power off, I ad a similar PB but with a reset PC!) F6BWO with a good signal (QRM at the end of QSO). It's my first QSO with a French station on 137 KHz! Best 73 Marc F5MAF JN03PP --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3255 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 12:46:47 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 12:46:47 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 26024 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 12:46:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 12:46:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Pj0z-0008Ek-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:46:01 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pj0z-0008Eb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:46:01 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Pj0s-0004BJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:45:54 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Pj0i-0001hT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:45:44 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221121931.00a97e38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:45:42 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Power Cuts / Jason tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, I was half way through having a QRSS QSO with F5MAF this morning (signals from DK1IS and I5TGC were also visible) when suddenly all the power went off, and I was left with a depressing silence. The power company say supplies will be restored this afternoon at some stage. My apologies to Marc, hope we can work each other again soon. Looking at http://www.lightningstorm.com/ls2/gpg/lex1/mapdisplay_free.jsp it seems that the thunderstorms in the US have finally died out for the time being, so I will run the Jason beacon again tonight, in the hope of catching some long-distance propagation before the ionosphere goes on strike (and assuming there is some electricity available by then!). I hope to run the beacon from 2200 - 0300 utc, and frequency will be 137.500kHz again. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17046 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 10:58:51 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:58:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 10657 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 10:58:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:58:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PhKS-00080b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:58:00 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PhKR-00080S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:58:00 +0000 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:57:57 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.167.170] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 685gLuk260280M38; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:53:58 GMT Message-ID: <3E044941.3060900@usa.net> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:58:09 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220113920.00af1d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001501c2a839$b3db6f60$5412f4cc@jsm> Subject: LF: Re: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UAversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Steve McDonald wrote: > I have had good results with an ordinary (unbalanced) air-core loop of 10' > diameter. > [...] > > Just to add my experience to this debate. when I had an Rx loop, before the wind decided to take it away with itself, it was of the floating type. The loop itself had 8 turns, 2-meter each side, connected only to a primary winding of three turns on a toroid. No ground connection whatsoever. The secondary had 16 turns, whose inductance needed about 1800 pF to be resonated on 137 kHz, and was directly connected to the coax cable. The coax into the shack provided 1200 of those 1800, the rest was obtained with a variable capacitor in the shack, without any need for remote tuning. The preamp, also in the shack, was just an FET source follower to step down the high impedance of the parallel-tuned LC circuit to the 50 ohm of the Rx. I did not perform any formal tests, but sensitivity was very good, and the local noise pick up very low. My next loop will be similar to this, may be just two turns in the loop, made with thicker wire. Just my 2 cents. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2561 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 10:02:42 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:02:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 23787 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 10:02:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:02:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PgS9-0007kJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:01:53 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PgS9-0007kA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:01:53 +0000 Received: from [62.21.168.89] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18PgS8-0004wo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:01:52 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221095248.00aa2660@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:03:04 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220113920.00af1d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF1BF5A5@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp .telenor.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Jim, M0BMU wrote:


I also find that external effects affect the depth of null you get - in my field strength measuring experiments, I found some locations where there was almost no null - This seemed to occur near overhead wires and power lines, which were presumably acting as parasitic antennas, inducing signals in the loop.

Also beware of conductors you don't see: underground cables, pipelines etc. When I do FS measurements  I always walk around a bit at a location with my portable instrument.  When moving around makes the FS fluctuate measurements will be unreliable.  A road with lamp posts is always suspect as in our country  the lamps are fed from an underground  cable along the road.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2549 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 10:02:41 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:02:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25439 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 10:02:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:02:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PgS6-0007k6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:01:50 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PgS6-0007jx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:01:50 +0000 Received: from [62.21.168.89] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18PgS5-0004wo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:01:49 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021221100530.02a148e0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:16:19 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: G0MRF Class D Transmitter Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

RSGB's magazine RadCom of January 2003 features the first part of an article by David Bowman, G0MRF, with title "A Class-D Transmitter for 136kHz".

As far as I can judge it is the same design as found in The low frequency experimenter's handbook by Peter, G3LDO, which has a picture of the amplifier on its cover.
But an article in two parts in RadCom obviously has more room for details.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17317 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 09:26:59 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 09:26:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 24394 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 09:26:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 09:26:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Pftk-0007d0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:26:20 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Pftj-0007cr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:26:19 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021221092618.NZWU900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:26:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c2a8d3$2ad28240$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:27:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Hendrix and QRSS Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070008060006040403000502" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070008060006040403000502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I read Jim's way of improving his QRSS reception by switching off the AGC and turning all gains up so the audio distorted. However, my IC706 Mk1 has the AGC on permanently (though the speed is switchable), and I take the output from a fixed level point on the rear panel. I was trying to work out how to drive the audio into distortion. This morning I worked out that I should increase the input gain on my sound card to maximum and reduce the Argo gain. This had a useful effect as the attached JPG shows - Before on the left, After on the right. For anyone who needs instructions, I right-clicked on the sound card icon on my toolbar, selected Adjust Audio Properties (not Adjust Volume Controls - these are outputs, not inputs) and in the Sound Recording area of the box, clicked Volume, and turned the control to max. I am not sure how standard these controls are, but I hope this helps someone. The adjustment is well worth it. 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MOBMU and DN1VLF  strong signals last night on 137.7 khz qrs, both calling cq at the same time for a while before a qso took place.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15973 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 01:16:29 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 01:16:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 18688 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 01:16:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 01:16:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PYEy-00063Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.17] (helo=mailout02.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PYEy-00063H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:15:44 +0000 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18PYEx-0001mB-00; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:15:43 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.12.204]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18PYEq-0KnfNIC; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:15:36 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c2a860$83ed77e0$4b287bd5@main> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 02:15:36 +0100 Message-ID: <18PYEq-0KnfNIC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: LF: New Year's Eve and MOSFETs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, today 21 December I tried to improve my PA. the cooling gave its spirit up. therefore I placed the PA out into the snow for a long-term test. attached was a dummy. I was on my second glass of beer when it slammed dreadfully loud outside. ok. A well-known noise of MOSFETs breathing their lives out. But then: A gang of children gathered around the PA. among them our six year old twins asking in reproachful voice: It is ten days to new year`s eve. our shopkeeper has no "Boeller". From where did you get all the bangers (Boeller)? lowfer`s Silvester! all readers a successful new year. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30051 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 00:25:19 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 00:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 8253 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 00:25:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 00:25:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PXRT-0005u2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:24:35 +0000 Received: from [12.145.226.11] (helo=mail2.gbronline.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PXRT-0005tt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:24:35 +0000 Received: from nnn0hus [209.12.207.98] by mail2.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A4983C080062; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:23:52 -0600 Message-ID: <000701c2a887$3ffa1300$62cf0cd1@nnn0hus> From: "Thomas Giella, KN4LF" To: "a PSC E-List" , "a RSGB LF E-List" , "a Greyline Prop E-List" , "a HCDX Prop Channel" Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:23:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: KN4LF 7 Day MF Radio Propagation Outlook #2002-37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Seasons Greetrings To All! KN4LF 7 Day Medium Frequency Radio Propagation Outlook #2002-37 Published 8:00 PM EST 02/12/20 For 02/12/21-02/12/27. PROPAGATION- Expect good domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and fair on north south paths in the northern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. Expect fair domestic propagation conditions on east-west paths and poor on north south paths in the southern hemisphere out to approximately 1050 miles. "High latitude" northern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be poor to fair. "High latitude" southern hemispheric (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be poor. "Mid latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. "Mid latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific and cross equatorial propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair. "Low latitude" northern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair to good. "Low latitude" southern hemisphere (TA) Trans Atlantic, (TP) Trans Pacific propagation conditions in excess of approximately 3000 miles should be fair to good. QRN- During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the northern hemisphere due to proximity of the Inter Tropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ). Northern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to occasionally high" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. Northern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "low to occasionally moderate" lightning induced QRN tied to cold season thunderstorms, cold/warm/occluded fronts and associated extra-tropical cold core low pressure systems. These weather systems are currently being enhanced by the moderate level El Nino ocean water temperature anomaly. During the outlook period there will be "high" lightning induced QRN levels in low latitude areas of the southern hemisphere tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere mid latitude regions can expect "moderate to high" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Southern hemisphere high latitude regions can expect "moderate" lightning induced QRN, tied to warm season thunderstorms and tropical systems. Here are some general guidelines concerning correlation of space weather and propagation indices to actual expected HF/MF propagation conditions. 1.) Dropping indices numbers are better. 2.) Solar flux under 150 okay, under 100 better, 70 is best for E layer multi hop. 2a.) For high frequencies (HF) solar flux of 100 is okay, 150 better, above 200 best. 3.) Solar flux of at least 100 for E valley-F layer ducting mechanism. 4.) Previous 24 hour Ap index under 10, under 7 for several days consecutively is best. 5.) Previous 3 hour Kp index under 3 for mid latitude paths, under 2 for high latitude paths, 0-1 for several days consecutively is best. 6.) Energetic protons no greater then 10 MeV (10+0) for 160/120 meters and no greater then (10-1) on MF broadcast band. 7.) Background x-ray flux levels less than C2 for several days consecutively for 160/120 meters and less then C1 for MF broadcast band. 8.) No current STRATWARM alert. 9.) IMF Bz with a negative sign, indicates a better chance of high latitude path auroral absorption/unpredictable refraction or scattering of MF RF signals, when the Kp is above 3. SPACE WEATHER INDICES DURING THE PAST 7 DAY PERIOD, SPACE WEATHER INDICES EXPECTED DURING THE 7 DAY OUTLOOK PERIOD AND EXPLANATIONS OF THEIR IMPACT ON ANTICIPATED PROPAGATION CONDITIONS. ENERGETIC PROTON FLUX- During the previous 7 day period one elevated energetic proton flux event of >10 MeV (10+0) occurred. This event reached a level of (10+1) on 02/12/19-20 and was associated with an M2.7 level proton flare that was released from solar flare region 10229. During the 7 day outlook period the probability of an elevated energetic proton flux event >10 MeV (10+0) is placed at 30%. An elevated energetic proton flux level greater then (10+0) on 160 meters and greater then (10-1) on the medium frequency broadcast band creates noticeably increased winter time day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium wave frequencies, especially on high latitude propagation paths but it can also negatively impact mid latitudes, depending on the intensity of the event. Elevated energetic proton events too small to be categorized as a Polar Cap Absorption event (PCA) can still impact high and mid level medium frequency propagation paths in the form of excessive D layer absorption. This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. ((((Note, high latitude medium frequency radio propagation paths can still be disturbed for days and up to weeks, following the end of an official >10 MeV (10+0) proton event.)))) SOLAR FLUX- During the previous 7 day period the daily solar flux levels ranged between 245 and 179. During the outlook period the daily solar flux values should range between approximately 200 and 160. Elevated background X-ray flux levels can impact propagation of medium frequency signals in a negative manner. Background X-ray flux levels of C1 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of 160 and 120 meter signals and B9 or greater creates increased D-layer absorption of AM broadcast band signals. High solar flux values are generally considered to be detrimental to propagation of medium frequency signals both domestic and Trans Atlantic (TA) & Trans Pacific (TP), as more absorption can be present via the transmitted signals' two trips through the D layer at the takeoff and arrival points. Most "strong" longer haul medium frequency DX signals in excess of 3000 miles is via the E Valley-F layer ducting and/or Chordal Hop propagation modes. Therefore high solar flux values can aid in long haul medium frequency propagation paths in excess of 3000 miles, as a high solar flux value ensures a strong F layer part of the E Valley-F layer duct or Chordal Hop propagation mechanism. However high solar activity in the form of increased ionization created by Ultraviolet and X-Ray radiation can fill in the E Valley region and interfere with the E Valley-F layer ducting mechanism. In a sense the E Valley-F layer duct is closed on one or both ends of a propagation path and the transmitted MF RF signal only propagates between the E layer and land/ocean surface, with a higher angle and more loss. SOLAR FLARES & SUNSPOT GROUP REGIONS- During the previous 7 day period 7 M class solar flares occurred. The largest was an M6.8 solar flare on 02/12/20 at 1318 UTC and was associated with solar region 10226. Sunspot region #10226 at S28W28 is in geo-effective (Earth facing) position, contains a beta-gamma-delta class magnetic signature and harbors energy for huge X class and large M class solar flares. Sunspot region #10224 at S14W21, #10229 at N19W03, and #10230 at S08E32 contain a beta-gamma class magnetic signatures and harbor energy for large M class solar flares. Solar flare forecast during the seven day period. C- 100% M- 70% X- 30% A C4 or higher class solar flare "can" elevate the proton flux above 10 MeV (10+0) and initiate large scale high and mid latitude propagation path absorption on the AM broadcast band, 160 and 120 meters, both stateside and DX, as a transfer of increased density and RF signal absorption from the day side D layer to night side of the ionosphere occurs through high level neutral winds. Unfortunately even smaller C3 solar flares can create hour to hour and night to night variations in signal strength on medium frequencies. High and mid latitude Trans Atlantic (TA) and Trans Pacific (TP) propagation paths tend to open up after a significant period of time passes without an elevated energetic proton event of >10 MeV (10+0). This fact is still stubbornly opposed by some otherwise very knowledgeable space weather physicists over dependent on high latitude threshold Riometer readings. Openings also occur when the solar background x-ray level falls back to below C2 for 160 and 120 meters and below C1 for the AM broadcast band. CORONAL MASS EJECTIONS/IONOSPHERIC STORMS/VISIBLE AURORA- During the previous 7 day period one geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejection occurred on 02/12/19 at 2200 UTC and was associated with an M2.7 level proton flare that was released from solar flare region 10229. During the previous 7 day period a small Coronal Hole had been in a geo-effective (Earth facing) position. It's related Solar Wind Stream impacted the (IMF), for a short period of time with a Kp index of 3 (unsettled). A SHORT LIVED Kp spike of 4 (Active) to 5 (Minor Storm) occurred on 02/12/19-20 in association with the M2.7 level proton flare that was released from solar flare region 10229. During the outlook period no new geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Holes and related Solar Wind Streams are expected to impact the (IMF). During the outlook period the probability of a geo-effective (Earth facing) Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is placed at 50%. During the outlook period the probability of unsettled (Kp-3) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 100%. During the outlook period the probability of active (Kp-4) geomagnetic conditions is placed at 90%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a minor ionospheric storm (Kp-5)(G1) is placed at 80%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a moderate ionospheric storm (Kp-6)(G2) is placed at 70%. During the outlook period the probability of at least a strong ionospheric storm (Kp-7+)(G3+) is placed at 60%. G5 = Extreme - Kp = 9 G4 = Severe - Kp = 8 G3 = Strong - Kp = 7 G2 = Moderate - Kp = 6 G1 = Minor - Kp = 5 Active - Kp = 4 Unsettled - Kp = 3 During the outlook period the probability of a visible high latitude Aurora display is placed at 100%, mid latitude 60%. On 02/12/20 at 2037 UTC the Bz was 4.5 nt south. The Wang-Sheeley Interplanetary Magnetic Field (IMF) Model which predicts the Sun's IMF polarity, forecasts a positive (+) polarity between 02/12/21-27. When the polarity of the IMF is negative a visible mid latitude Aurora display is likely when a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. When the polarity of the IMF is positive a visible mid latitude Aurora display is unlikely as a CME strikes the Earth's magnetic field. A Geomagnetic or Ionospheric Storm is a worldwide disturbance of the earth's magnestosphere induced by the Sun's interplanetary magnetic field (IMF), distinct from regular diurnal variations. A Coronal Mass Ejection is the name given to an ejection of a large amount of matter from the Sun's outer atmosphere or corona. These ejections typically comprise millions of tons of material in the form of charged particles, and can be seen because the material reflects sunlight. When one of these ejections is directed towards the Earth (or conversely, directly away from the Earth), it looks like a roughly circular "halo" surrounding the Sun. The "Halo CME's" then are those CME's which are more likely to impact the Earth than those which are shot out at right angles to the Earth-Sun line. Energetic protons emitted during CME's play a major role in increased day time and night-time D-layer absorption of mediumwave frequencies. Coronal Mass Ejections were once thought to be completely initiated by solar flares. However it is now known that many (CME's) are not associated with Solar Flares. If a (CME) collides with the Earth, it can excite a Geomagnetic Storm if the polarity of the IMF has a negative sign. We must be vigilant in watching for geoeffective (CME's), in order to not be caught by surprise with a seemingly sudden and unexpected Geomagnetic Storm. As the Kp index reaches 3-4, the aurora oval begins expanding equatorward in magnetic latitude and generally begins having a negative impact on high latitude medium frequency propagation paths. A Kp index of 5 or higher begins to have a negative impact on high latitude high frequency shortwave propagation paths. However at times skewed path propagation conditions can compensate for high latitude propagation path auroral absorption. STRATOSPHERIC WARMING- During the outlook period increased winter like day and year round night time D layer absorption of medium frequency signals tied to stratospheric warming in the northern hemisphere is possible, due to a large scale movement of Arctic air across the North Pole from Siberian Russia into Canada. In the nearer term of 7-14 days we will return to a negative North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and Positive West Negative East (PNA) upper air height anomaly pattern. This means a big ridge in the west all the way into the Yukon region of Canada and a deep trough in the eastern U.S.down into the Yucatan region of Mexico and another ridge in the western North Atlantic Ocean. This pattern is also called a dual blocking ridge. This pattern taps Siberian Arctic air across the North Pole and sends it rushing south, increasing the chances of stratospheric warming. As the stratosphere lies below the ionosphere, which is at mesosphere and thermosphere height, you would not expect to see stratospheric warming effect medium frequency propagation in any way BUT medium frequency signals do propagate off of temperature inversions and moisture discontinuities and a temperature inversion is involved with stratospheric warming. So it's probable that a medium frequency signal could do any number of things when scattering off of a temperature inversion, at any height. Unfortunately though some otherwise very knowledgeable Physicists stubbornly resist this concept. Also stratospheric warming (STRATWARM) has a negative effect on medium frequency propagation, due to increasing medium frequency radio wave absorption by the D layer, via upward propagating Internal Gravity Waves (IGW). This phenomenon also occurs in southern hemisphere winter but seems to be less pronounced. 73, Thomas Giella KN4LF/NNN0HUS Plant City, FL, USA KN4LF 160 Meter Amateur Radio Resources And More: http://www.kn4lf.com KN4LF Daily Solar Space Weather Geomagnetic Data Plus MF Propagation Outlook: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf5.htm FL Meteorological & Climatic Institute: http://www.kn4lf.com/sub/fmci.htm Florida Daily WX Discussion: http://www.kn4lf.com/sub/fmci17.htm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.431 / Virus Database: 242 - Release Date: 12/17/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7721 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 23:35:02 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 23:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 26982 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 23:34:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 23:34:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PWeb-0005dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:34:05 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PWeb-0005dT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:34:05 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h026194.nexo.es [195.235.26.194]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA20058 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:34:00 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002101c2a880$3cc7c300$c21aebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c2a80b$5edf6300$9ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 00:32:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: EA1PX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Mal:
 
I´m very glad for your report, thanks a lot!. Actually I saw the signals from DK1IS and I called him but my radiated power is too low. I´m obstaculized by buildings in the directions of Germany and Italy but I have a little "window" in your azimuth.
I hope see, or hear, your signals soon on the band.
 
73 de José, EA1PX - loc IN53TI
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:36 AM
Subject: LF: EA1PX

Hi Jose
You were a nice strong signal with me yesterday evening at 2118 utc, audible and 000 copy on 137.7 khz, you were calling CQ.  Also active at the same time was DK1IS, and I5TGC all calling CQ with good audible signals and OOO solid on screen.
None of these stations had a QSO at the time I was listening/watching it would appear that they did not hear/see each other. Am I the only one able to hear/see all the activity on the band?
I am probably the most distant station in the UK from EA1PX and in fact all the others.
I was QRL at the time on 80 metres otherwise I would have called.
My loc is IO94SH
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9654 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 20:27:14 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 20:27:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7132 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 20:27:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 20:27:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PTj4-00054v-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:26:30 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PTj3-00054m-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:26:29 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021220202545.VCKP1199.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:25:45 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.99.125]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021220202540.MFZH15912.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:25:40 +1300 Message-ID: <001701c2a866$416eb4a0$81e136d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220113920.00af1d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:27:15 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim and others, > I also find that external effects affect the depth of null you get - in my > field strength measuring experiments, I found some locations where there > was almost no null - This seemed to occur near overhead wires and power > lines, which were presumably acting as parasitic antennas, inducing signals > in the loop. I am aware that coverage surveys of LF and MF AM transmitters do not conduct field strength measurements in locations near power lines, as they otherwise get false readings. For amateur LF receiving, much of the QRM is associated with power lines and connected appliances, so consideration of conduction, induction and radiation is needed to analyse scenarios. In my view the specific location of a loop receiving antenna, suitably separated from mains wiring, has far more impact on weak signal performance than whether it is unbalanced, partly balanced, floating, or well-balanced. Near fields reduce rapidly with distance (and different rate for E and H component), while radiated (far) fields are basically inverse with distance, so the differential distance with respect to the DX wanted signal is negligible within the choice of options for siting a loop receiving antenna. The LF far field is also vertically polarised. The side-on null of a small loop receiving antenna is only effective in reducing QRM for "point source" emissions. The actual near field situation is that mains wires are the launching mechanism, so the mode of coupling can be modelled on a "line source". A deep null is of little use in minimising coupling with a "line source". The size of the loop is also a compromise between being sufficiently small to maintain useful separation from local QRM sources (induction coupling), while being sufficiently large so that QRN (external fields) dominate thermal noise (internal noise). A square shape with 2 metres each side appears to be about right for the LF bands of interest to amateurs. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31159 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 19:48:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 19:48:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26800 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 19:48:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 19:48:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PT7W-0004wq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:47:42 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PT7W-0004wh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:47:42 +0000 Received: from host213-123-40-75.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.123.40.75] helo=main) by einsteinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18PT7U-00013N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2a860$83ed77e0$4b287bd5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:43:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A Propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, to my mind conditions have been reasonable for the last week or so. I have had some very confusing plots from SXV during this period. Last night I had good solid high levels from SXV with very little sign of multipath. There was a geomag storm on the 19th at around midday. I would not expect that to start giving absorption before 21/22nd I think that I may have been seeing a lot of destructive interference previously but maybe last night there was more absorption taking down the high-hop paths. The only thing that might be connected to this is a small proton event again at midnight, but again this would not be in impact with the correct geographical part of the ionosphere. (too far west) In conclusion I think propagation might be ok tonight but will decline afterwards for a few days. Unfortunately electric storms in east USA will probably cancel out the advantageous propagation. Not too helpful but I would be interested to see Steve's plots on DCF39 on that side to see whether it conforms to my thoughts. Happy DXing and Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17625 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 18:23:45 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 18:23:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7080 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 18:23:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 18:23:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PRnw-0004h0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:23:24 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PRnv-0004gM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:23:23 +0000 Received: from [213.40.200.198] (helo=tcs1) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18PRnN-0002Qp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:22:50 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:23:58 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219125141.00b04bb8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: LF GDO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Jim & LF Group, Thank you for your reply Jim, I have got JASON sorted now since reading your instructions, I have been able to determine my offset almost exactly now & can see the single trace in the JASON display when using DCF39 & other signals as a test source. I have attenuated various signals until the audio is completely unreadable by ear & still the line is there but with a very slight background illumination creeping in. I have been able to hear your CW QSO's in the recent past so I should now be able to decode your JASON transmissions. My location is the village of Coppull near Chorley, Lancashire. IO87qp. Thanks for your help & congrats to you & all the others involved in making the T/A trip possible. Regards Gary G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 19 December 2002 18:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF GDO Dear Gary, LF Group, At 18:51 18/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I tried monitoring but did not receive anything intelligable, may be I >require more tries to get it right ?? as I am not sure of the best method of >setting up the receiver frequency etc for use with JASON. Any advice gents ? First, use the "options" menu to set Jason up to match your receiver - if you are using USB, set Jason to USB receive; if you are using LSB, set Jason to LSB. Set the Jason receive centre frequency to be equal to the RX BFO offset - it defaults to 800Hz. Set the RX gain and/or PC volume control to produce about 1/3 full scale on the bar graph at the left of the Jason screen with the normal signal/noise level at the RX output............................................................... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16161 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 18:21:00 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 18:21:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 16020 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 18:20:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 18:20:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PRkr-0004eB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:20:13 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PRkr-0004e2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:20:13 +0000 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBKIK9g29589 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA17050; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:20:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c2a855$1414f700$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c2a852$289da580$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:24:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Transatlantic? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mike, > It would help if John, Dex and anyone > else could say when they think the chances are good. I can transmit at short > notice. Based on the wx, tonight would be a poor choice for me, and probably for Dex. Tomorrow night sounds better, noise-wise. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12575 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 18:06:55 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 18:06:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 24901 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 18:06:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 18:06:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PRU2-0004Yp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:02:50 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.41] (helo=mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PRU1-0004Yg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:02:50 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021220180249.FCDS22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:02:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c2a852$289da580$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 18:03:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Transatlantic? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I would like to try some transatlantic 136kHz tests. My QRP 100mW ERP has been seen by VE1ZJ, but it would be nice to get to the USA. Obviously this will require very good conditions. It would help if John, Dex and anyone else could say when they think the chances are good. I can transmit at short notice. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24742 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 15:18:23 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 15:18:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 22124 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 15:18:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 15:18:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18POtP-000422-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:16:51 +0000 Received: from [208.181.178.237] (helo=neptune.imagenisp.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18POtO-00041t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:16:51 +0000 Received: from jsm ([204.244.18.84]) by neptune.imagenisp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Z1L7VB0F; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:19:34 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c2a839$b3db6f60$5412f4cc@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220113920.00af1d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:08:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I have had good results with an ordinary (unbalanced) air-core loop of 10' diameter. Nulls are approaching 50 db on groundwave signals. The loop uses a standard single-turn pickup loop out to the rx via 50 ohm coax. I agree with Jan that a preamp is of no value once your limiting noise floor is background sky/atmospheric noise. For those interested, construction plans for my 10-footer are here: http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm/Loop.html Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6651 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 12:20:47 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 12:20:47 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 29552 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 12:20:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 12:20:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PM7v-0003NP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:19:39 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PM7u-0003NG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:19:38 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18PM7m-0007La-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:19:30 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18PM7g-0001pk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:19:24 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021220113920.00af1d00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:19:23 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF1BF5A5@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp .telenor.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Balanced vs. Unbalanced loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, I think what Jan-Martin is saying is that by having a grounded center tap on the windings of a loop antenna, you are effectively producing an integrated 1:1 balun transformer, which forces the voltages on the loop to be balanced, even if the output is single-ended. However, the balun effect will not be entirely perfect because the coupling between the loop windings is less than unity. But then, neither will a balanced preamp be perfectly balanced. An advantage of a push-pull type of balanced preamp is that it will give some cancellation of distortion products, but it's fair to say this can be achieved in other ways too. As far as I can see, the balanced, tuned loop with push-pull preamp has changed little since the 1920s, except the bright-emitter triodes are normally replaced with JFETs in modern designs :-) The idea then was to produce an antenna with accurate and deep nulls in the MF range for direction finding. By making the circuit physically and electrically balanced, a symmetrical directional pattern was produced. It is a bit different with an LF receiving loop, where the precision of direction finding is usually less important than achieving high sensitivity, with adequate nulling of unwanted signals. Also, especially where larger diameter loops with relatively low inductance are used, the "antenna effect" does not seem to be a very serious problem. The effect of the E field pick up will be 1) to make the positions of the nulls asymetrical, 2) if there is a quadrature component between the two induced voltages, the depth of the nulls will be reduced, and 3) if local nose generates a localised E field, the antenna will pick this up. For simple reception, 1) is of little consequence, 2) in practice is not very bad - I find I can usually get >25dB null even with no attempt at balancing, and the depth of null is usually limited by how accurately the antenna can be positioned. I also find that since local noise tends to be at least as much H field as E field, 3) is not really an issue either. I also find that external effects affect the depth of null you get - in my field strength measuring experiments, I found some locations where there was almost no null - This seemed to occur near overhead wires and power lines, which were presumably acting as parasitic antennas, inducing signals in the loop. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2344 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 10:13:03 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 10:13:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 5904 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Dec 2002 10:12:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 10:12:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PK8X-0002wZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:12:09 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PK8W-0002wJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:12:09 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:11:34 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:11:32 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:11:32 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:11:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:11:32 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF36900B@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF GDO Thread-Index: AcKmxt8xtRVdbAf0R3mSuW6lqj/38wBSEzzA From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: g4wgt@talkgas.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 10:11:31.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B3CE770:01C2A810] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: LF W7ZOI type Grid-Dip-Meter will cover most desired frequency bands Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group it was an article by W7ZOI in QST sometime in the early 80's for a dipper using a signal generator. I tested the principle for 3-100MHz, but it is no reason why it shouldn't work on lower frequency. You probably need only 10 turns with 2cm diameter (or few turns with large diameter) for the coupling loop. LB8X also tested the circuit with MFJ259 and it seems to operate even with simpler arrangement than mine Have made some documents, and have the reference at home, but unfortunately the reflector is subscribed for the work email address, instead of home... 73 Jan-Martin LA8AK@online.no -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: G4WGT [mailto:g4wgt@talkgas.net] Sendt: 18. desember 2002 19:51 Til: Rsgb_Lf_Group Emne: LF: LF GDO Hi All at LF, Just been browsing LF web sites & on looking at the Longwave Club of America home page there is a reference to an article as shown below. ************** The LOWDOWN This Month. In the Dec. 2002 issue: "Gate Dip Oscillator for the LowFER and MedFER" Article by George N. McCormick. ************** Has anyone got details of this LF GDO or something similar for use at 136 Khz as it seems to me that an exsisting HF GDO would require extensive modifications to allow it to operate at this low frequency. I have an Eddystone S902 GDO which goes down to 390 Khz but the coil arrangement seems complex in respect of extending the range to 136 Khz. Any ideas are welcome. May I also add my congratulations to those already posted for the JASON T/A reception of Jim's transmission by John. I tried monitoring but did not receive anything intelligable, may be I require more tries to get it right ?? as I am not sure of the best method of setting up the receiver frequency etc for use with JASON. Any advice gents ? Regards Gary G4WGT --- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3591 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 10:04:26 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 10:04:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1199 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 10:04:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 10:04:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PJzi-0002sh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:03:02 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PJzd-0002sQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:03:01 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:14 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:11 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:12 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:11 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:02:11 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF1BF5A5@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Thread-Index: AcKnidoTkGYJBU+oRIWJ9iV0rQFCAgAgzncg From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2002 10:02:11.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD34AAA0:01C2A80E] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Can't see any arguments against my version. But apart from telling that you disagree, you don't give any related reasons. I already agree to the balance, but using a balanced amplifier for a balanced antenna is only amateur nonsense. And using the amplifier is nonsense when it doesn't improve for anything - only increase an already strong enough signal. The only argument is that it is more complex, and it is worth some money if you sell it. My loop has center grounded, it is at least necessary for the varicap tuning, and I use a coupling loop of 1/100 of the totalt antenna area 73 es merry xmas, Jan-Martin LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Ashlock,William [mailto:William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com] Sendt: 19. desember 2002 19:02 Til: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Emne: RE: LF: Big vs small RX antennas I don't buy this. The reason for the balanced connection (or center tap) to the loop is to reduce the so called 'antenna effect'. Without the balance the antenna will be sensitive to the E-field of the intended signal as well as all the other unwanted signals and noise in the area, coming from all directions. Also, the desired null off the side, typically 40db for a well balanced loop, will be greatly reduced if the loop is connected simply to one side. One common way to achieve a 'balance' is to isolate the tuned winding from the input to the amplifier with a one or two turn isolated pickup winding. A ferrite core can also be used that couples one turn from the main winding to the amplifier or receiver. John Andrews uses this approach. I call both of these a 'floating connection' rather than a balanced connection', but they achieve the same thing because neither is effected by E-field signals. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31905 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 09:44:34 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 09:44:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 9924 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 09:44:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 09:44:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PJb5-0002lD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:37:35 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PJb0-0002l3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:37:30 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.156]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021220093728.OXTX29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:37:28 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c2a80b$5edf6300$9ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:36:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: EA1PX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Jose
You were a nice strong signal with me yesterday evening at 2118 utc, audible and 000 copy on 137.7 khz, you were calling CQ.  Also active at the same time was DK1IS, and I5TGC all calling CQ with good audible signals and OOO solid on screen.
None of these stations had a QSO at the time I was listening/watching it would appear that they did not hear/see each other. Am I the only one able to hear/see all the activity on the band?
I am probably the most distant station in the UK from EA1PX and in fact all the others.
I was QRL at the time on 80 metres otherwise I would have called.
My loc is IO94SH
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15565 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 00:14:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 12396 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Dec 2002 00:14:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 00:14:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PAnH-0001es-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PAnH-0001ei-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:13:35 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBK0DTr19591 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:13:29 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:13:41 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I guess we're all idiots for using loops. It was even windy when Steve captured my 1-watt signal in Arizona 1302 miles away the other night. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf WE 185.3026kc QRSS & -.-. .-- -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Ashlock,William Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 8:58 AM To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: jason etc John, Don't assume this guy takes note of anyone else's accomplishments! Bill > The only loop worth while is a full wave loop at the frequency of operation, > the smaller you get in relation to natural resonance the less the capture > ability and more critical the tuning, and going off resonance with the > slightest movement by wind, rain etc, so it is seldom optimum at the > required frequency except you happen to live in Dixie or Texas where the sun > always shines!! Well, I guess I'll give up the LF stuff, as I'll never hear anything. Thanks for setting me straight. It looked like an interesting hobby. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18023 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 00:09:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 00:09:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 11808 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 00:09:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 00:09:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18PAiY-0001Yk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:08:42 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18PAiX-0001Yb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:08:41 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBK08Zr19341 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:08:35 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:08:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <004901c2a767$acd4ea20$15e9fc3e@l8p8y6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Be careful Mal, those are fightin words over here. I wish you luck. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:32 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: jason etc ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: jason etc > > and a similar antenna at the receiving end instead of small loops or 3 > feet active type antennas. > > Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation > appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather > than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that > situation? In my case the 120 ft vertical top loaded system, comprising 4 inv L structures resonated on 136 khz is a good 12 db better at receiving signals than my 90 metre perimiter loop resonated also on 136 khz and top wire height 70 ft. I am comparing signals from the loop in its optimum direction. E/W. Both systems are configured for 50 ohms match to the RX. I live out in the countryside and noise is not a problem. Some are getting confused and discussing the merits of a vertical against a loop in noisy or Urban environments. I am discussing the two antennas in a noise friendly area, and as someone has pointed out loops also pick up quite a lot of noise depending on your location. The only loop worth while is a full wave loop at the frequency of operation, the smaller you get in relation to natural resonance the less the capture ability and more critical the tuning, and going off resonance with the slightest movement by wind, rain etc, so it is seldom optimum at the required frequency except you happen to live in Dixie or Texas where the sun always shines!! 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9625 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 21:03:35 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 21:03:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 15366 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 21:03:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 21:03:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P7oR-0000tL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:02:35 +0000 Received: from [195.110.100.2] (helo=mail.dada.it) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P7oQ-0000tC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:02:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 5429 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 21:02:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cestag) (195.110.103.40) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 21:02:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c2a7a2$18434ec0$28676ec3@cestag> From: "cesare tagliabue" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2a79b$175dfc00$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:03:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: R: I5TGC Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
        Hello Mal
        Many thanks indeed for very good report in IO94SH , 1447 Km away, yes it's very rare that someone answer to my CQ call at this time in the evening. It's easier in the morning of Sunday when a lot of stations are in action hi. Recently I've contacted two times Reino OH5UFO with very good signals. As you can see in my web site, my antenna is very small and my ERP also, I believe in the order of 20 - 30 mW, so I need the aid of propagation hi. I hear time to time your CW signal in my receiver, in spite of the noise that I've here. Thank you again for report  73 de Cesare
 
Cesare Tagliabue   I 5 TGC
WW-Loc  JN53PS
e-mail: cestag@dada.it
url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it
-----Messaggio Originale-----
Data invio: giovedì 19 dicembre 2002 21.12
Oggetto: LF: I5TGC

I often see you calling cq and get no replies on 137.7khz qrs. You are a very good signal with me
OOO at 2010z, I also saw you earlier. Perhaps no one else can see or hear you, which is surprising. Gl and hope you work someone soon.
73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH
 
 
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18P75x-0000d5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:16:37 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-196.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.196] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P75t-0002e2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:16:33 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01c2a79b$c35fcc40$1e1686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> <002001c2a6f2$46e367c0$d2c828c3@erica> <001c01c2a738$53353bc0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:17:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mike G3XDV said > > No. Sorry if I was unclear. I have three top wires, 18m long, running > parallel and spaced 0.5m apart. The wires have always been joined at the far > end, and this helps reduce the corona losses. I also had them joined at the > feed end, next to the elevated loading coil at the top of the vertical > section. What I did was to disconnect the join at the feed end, so that the > coil fed just the centre wire. The current then went along this centre wire > to the join at the far end, and returned along the two outer wires. This is > what increased the resonant frequency when I would have expected the extra L > in the top wires to decrease the frequency. I have concluded that the > shorting wire close to the coil was probably having a capacitive effect on > the coil and reducing the overall frequency. Whether the top wires are > electrically in parallel or series seems to make no difference at all. I checked with your original e-mail description and found that I had got it all wrong. Still nothing lost, I had wanted to try and see if increasing the spacing of the two wire top load from an average of 2m to 4m would change anything. In the event it did not. I will be transmitting tonight as part of my antenna current puzzle measurements on 72.4003. At this time the ground has dried out and the antenna current at 1600 was 4.9 amps, which fell to 4.1 amps by 1930 I am interested in Dexter's loop. My 4m square loop (described in the web page below) uses a single turn coupling turn and coax back to the receiver. It works reasonably well having been used in a 'reverse' T/A 136/80m crossband in Feb 2001 with VE1ZZ but he had a very big signal. What preamp circuit did you use Dex? As regards using big antennas on LF, many operators using a temporary big mast had problems on receive. Big antennas seem OK provided a variable attenuator and a good passive preselecter are used. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16342 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 20:17:35 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 20:17:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 6243 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 20:17:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 20:17:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P73G-0000ce-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:50 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P73A-0000cV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:45 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.83]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021219201344.OJXH21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:13:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2a79b$175dfc00$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:12:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: I5TGC Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I often see you calling cq and get no replies on 137.7khz qrs. You are a very good signal with me
OOO at 2010z, I also saw you earlier. Perhaps no one else can see or hear you, which is surprising. Gl and hope you work someone soon.
73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19317 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 19:00:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 19:00:04 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 8842 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 19:00:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 19:00:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P5su-0000J3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:59:04 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P5st-0000Iu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:59:03 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18P5sn-0001tg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:58:57 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18P5sc-0005yG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:58:46 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219125141.00b04bb8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:52:26 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: LF GDO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Gary, LF Group, At 18:51 18/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I tried monitoring but did not receive anything intelligable, may be I >require more tries to get it right ?? as I am not sure of the best method of >setting up the receiver frequency etc for use with JASON. Any advice gents ? First, use the "options" menu to set Jason up to match your receiver - if you are using USB, set Jason to USB receive; if you are using LSB, set Jason to LSB. Set the Jason receive centre frequency to be equal to the RX BFO offset - it defaults to 800Hz. Set the RX gain and/or PC volume control to produce about 1/3 full scale on the bar graph at the left of the Jason screen with the normal signal/noise level at the RX output. The only other thing is making sure the received frequency is correct. It needs to be within about +/- 1Hz to guarantee not missing any part of the signal. Typical amateur-type synthesised receivers will probably be within a couple of Hz of nominal frequency at LF - the PC sound card may add several Hz more error. To calibrate out both these errors, set Jason to receive, and tune to a known carrier signal close to the 136k band - DCF39 on 138.830kHz should do. This should produce a clear line on the waterfall display (in between the data bursts, anyway). If this is not centered between the yellow cursor lines, click on the signal trace, and Jason should adjust it's centre frequency automatically. Then leave all the software settings as they are, and re-tune the RX to the Jason signal frequency - it should now work :-) If the Jason signal is strong enough to be clearly visible on the waterfall display, you can skip the calibration step and click on the centre of the visible trace to set the frequency correctly. Not sure what your QTH is, Gary, but I imagine it should also be easy to hear my signal, which sounds like a steady carrier with very slight frequency shifts. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26428 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 18:03:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 18:03:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 21377 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 18:03:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 18:03:27 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P4zi-0008Ui-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:02:02 +0000 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P4ze-0008UZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:01:59 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-9.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1040320916!41505 Received: (qmail 24286 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 18:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-9.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 18:01:56 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:01:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSKVTCR8; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:05:37 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:01:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:01:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Not so sure about the balanced pre-amp, it doesn't makes double balance, only one stage should be centered, when the > aerial is balanced - the connection to one side is just as good as balanced connection, the only improvement you can add >is better linearity. The only result of a balanced amplifier is that it is more difficult to make, but probably isn't so balanced > after all. > As long as the background noise without pre-amplifier is 10-20dB above the background band noise > it is totally waste to use a pre-amplifier, it may only worsening the result. I don't buy this. The reason for the balanced connection (or center tap) to the loop is to reduce the so called 'antenna effect'. Without the balance the antenna will be sensitive to the E-field of the intended signal as well as all the other unwanted signals and noise in the area, coming from all directions. Also, the desired null off the side, typically 40db for a well balanced loop, will be greatly reduced if the loop is connected simply to one side. One common way to achieve a 'balance' is to isolate the tuned winding from the input to the amplifier with a one or two turn isolated pickup winding. A ferrite core can also be used that couples one turn from the main winding to the amplifier or receiver. John Andrews uses this approach. I call both of these a 'floating connection' rather than a balanced connection', but they achieve the same thing because neither is effected by E-field signals. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2288 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 16:49:58 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 16:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27651 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 16:49:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 16:49:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P3qQ-00089m-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:48:22 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P3qQ-00089d-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:48:22 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:47:48 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:47:48 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:47:48 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:47:47 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:47:46 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF1BF5A4@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Thread-Index: AcKnAK5hMa65vVSgQWKHCuU6JOdbhwAfLa9w From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: dmcintyre@att.net X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Dec 2002 16:47:47.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C3E2650:01C2A77E] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED, NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Not so sure about the balanced pre-amp, it doesn't makes double balance, only one stage should be centered,
when the aerial is balanced - the connection to once side is just as good as balanced connection, the only
improvement you can add is better linearity. The only result of a balanced amplifier is that it is more
difficult to make, but probably isn't so balanced after all.
 
As long as the background noise without pre-amplifier is 10-20dB above the background band noise
it is totally vaste to use a pre-amplifier, it may only worsening the result.
 
73
LA8AK

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Fra: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX [mailto:dmcintyre@att.net]
Sendt: 19. desember 2002 02:40
Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Emne: Re: LF: Big vs small RX antennas

The first 136 kHz US receptions of G3AQC and MØBMU made nearly two years ago were made with my 160 meter dipole.   The dipole is supported with a 1 meter side arm from the 95 foot level of a 100 foot, insulated guy wire tower.  The home brew open wire feed line was fed as a single wire with a series pot core inductor to bring the antenna to resonance.  Later test were made comparing the TA signals received with this antenna to a 3.3 square resonant loop.  This loop was matched with a single turn pick up loop.  The two antennas were comparable for 136 kHz reception most of the time.

Last year I constructed a new receive loop, octagon in shape, twenty turns, a little over 3.3 meters diameter.  This loop is center tapped and feeds a balanced preamp.  Every comparison I made showed this balanced fed loop to outperform either the old loop or the T vertical wire.  I'm a firm believer in the balanced loop design.

W4DEX
www.w4dex.com

MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:

Hi John and LF group,
 
Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation
appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather
than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that
situation?

John Andrews, W1TAG

A big vertical does help a lot against local noise-sources (neighbours' TVs and SMPSs), but with anything originating further away than a couple of 100m, it makes absolutely no difference.

However the directivity provided by a magnetic receive loop can be valuable. If all of the noise was coming in isotropically from the horizon, the figure-eight pattern would theoretically have 3dB better SNR than a vertical, and a cardioid combination would gain 4.8dB. In practice, of course one can often null out a source of QRM or a thunderstorm front and have far greater improvement.

The only problem I am having with small loops is that they seem to be much more prone to local pickup than the E-field antenna - at least in my suburban area which has underground mains wiring. The 86cm-diameter pair in the garden is often swamped by notorious 100Hz-modulated carriers which at the same time I can hardly see on the marconi.

73 de
Markus, DF6NM

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 850 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 15:00:06 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 15:00:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 19384 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Dec 2002 15:00:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 15:00:04 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P28S-0007h7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:58:52 +0000 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P28R-0007gy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:58:51 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1040309918!31616 Received: (qmail 12257 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-17.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:58:38 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:58:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSKVTAPX; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:02:20 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:58:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:58:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John, Don't assume this guy takes note of anyone else's accomplishments! Bill > The only loop worth while is a full wave loop at the frequency of operation, > the smaller you get in relation to natural resonance the less the capture > ability and more critical the tuning, and going off resonance with the > slightest movement by wind, rain etc, so it is seldom optimum at the > required frequency except you happen to live in Dixie or Texas where the sun > always shines!! Well, I guess I'll give up the LF stuff, as I'll never hear anything. Thanks for setting me straight. It looked like an interesting hobby. John Andrews, W1TAG _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23884 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:27:22 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 24293 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:27:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:27:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P1cW-0007Vs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:25:52 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P1cV-0007Vi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:25:51 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021219142632.QZLT28227.host3@att.net> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3E01D6F8.BC9E70EE@att.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:26:00 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c2a768$3a53c100$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: Re: LF: Cdx and T/A tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, Even if propagation was excellent I would not be able to copy your signal with the major QRN generator we presently have. Last nights HBG plot: http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg19dec02.jpg shows the S/N to be about zero. The reason for the noise can be seen at: http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/lightning19dec02.jpg Hopefully this will clear by the weekend. Rest and drink lots of fluids. Also an occasional dose of near field LF RF may help. Dex http://www.w4dex.com Laurie Mayhead wrote: > > Hi all, > Unfortunately I am out of action with a cold/flu thing, > will be active again on 73 as soon as possible. > 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8956 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:15:33 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:15:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 26316 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Dec 2002 14:15:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:15:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P1Rs-0007SG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:14:52 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P1Rr-0007S7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:14:51 +0000 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBJEEmg03734 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA12929; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:14:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002a01c2a769$a1f9c2e0$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004001c2a6c8$8c75de00$74e9fc3e@l8p8y6> <001401c2a6d9$13882a00$482965d5@oemcomputer> <000e01c2a6db$0d7f7260$09dc9384@jka> <004901c2a767$acd4ea20$15e9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:19:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mal, > The only loop worth while is a full wave loop at the frequency of operation, > the smaller you get in relation to natural resonance the less the capture > ability and more critical the tuning, and going off resonance with the > slightest movement by wind, rain etc, so it is seldom optimum at the > required frequency except you happen to live in Dixie or Texas where the sun > always shines!! Well, I guess I'll give up the LF stuff, as I'll never hear anything. Thanks for setting me straight. It looked like an interesting hobby. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25027 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:06:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:06:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 27207 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:06:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:06:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P1J5-0007LL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:05:47 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P1J5-0007LB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:05:47 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.213]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021219140542.JAEY15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:05:42 +0000 Message-ID: <004901c2a767$acd4ea20$15e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004001c2a6c8$8c75de00$74e9fc3e@l8p8y6> <001401c2a6d9$13882a00$482965d5@oemcomputer> <000e01c2a6db$0d7f7260$09dc9384@jka> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:32:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: jason etc > > and a similar antenna at the receiving end instead of small loops or 3 > feet active type antennas. > > Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation > appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather > than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that > situation? In my case the 120 ft vertical top loaded system, comprising 4 inv L structures resonated on 136 khz is a good 12 db better at receiving signals than my 90 metre perimiter loop resonated also on 136 khz and top wire height 70 ft. I am comparing signals from the loop in its optimum direction. E/W. Both systems are configured for 50 ohms match to the RX. I live out in the countryside and noise is not a problem. Some are getting confused and discussing the merits of a vertical against a loop in noisy or Urban environments. I am discussing the two antennas in a noise friendly area, and as someone has pointed out loops also pick up quite a lot of noise depending on your location. The only loop worth while is a full wave loop at the frequency of operation, the smaller you get in relation to natural resonance the less the capture ability and more critical the tuning, and going off resonance with the slightest movement by wind, rain etc, so it is seldom optimum at the required frequency except you happen to live in Dixie or Texas where the sun always shines!! 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8999 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:01:37 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:01:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 22832 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 14:01:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 14:01:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P1E4-0007J9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:00:36 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P1E4-0007J0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:00:36 +0000 Received: from modem-155.mississippi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.75.155] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18P1Dy-0005oK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:00:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2a768$3a53c100$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:08:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Cdx and T/A tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Unfortunately I am out of action with a cold/flu thing, will be active again on 73 as soon as possible. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31495 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 13:36:09 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 13:36:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5435 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 13:36:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 13:36:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P0pa-00079X-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P0pZ-00079O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:35:17 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021219133604.QLDP28227.host3@att.net> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:36:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3E01CB28.326A05BD@att.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:35:36 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20021204150317.00b14250@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <000801c2a760$cb66b4c0$1c076c0a@arenanet.fi> Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.7 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Matti, Just to save Jim the time to look up that error code again here below is what he sent when I was working on my unit. Also some test codes from Tracey. Dex Matti Niemela wrote: > > Thank you very much Jim for SPM-19 input impedance info. > Sometimes I get error message 1--202, which disappears when I change > attenuator´s value. Could you please check whether the manual can tell > something about that error code. James Moritz wrote: Error 1-002 means that the auto-calibration signal level is too high > in the wideband detector. Tracey Gardner wrote: > Depress the following buttons > > MEM 9003 RCL > > If the test is successful, the message 1----- appears on the frequency > display. > The meter can then be switched back from the test program by pressing MEM. > > In the case of a fault, an error number (eg 1--003) appears, these error > numbers are explained in Table 6-2 > Let me know what error code you get and I'll look it up in the table. > 1--002 says that the level at the wideband detector is too high, possible > faults, failure of one or more modules between calibration mixer and > wideband detector. > > According to the handbook, in analogue mode, an SSB demodulator permits > conversion to a centre frequency of 2kHz when the meter is tuned to the > input signal. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2441 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 13:16:29 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 13:16:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 14059 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 13:16:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 13:16:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18P0WU-00073S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:15:34 +0000 Received: from [193.229.0.57] (helo=fep06-app.kolumbus.fi) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18P0WT-00073J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:15:34 +0000 Received: from merocomp ([62.248.135.10]) by fep06-app.kolumbus.fi with SMTP id <20021219131532.RBCW20933.fep06-app.kolumbus.fi@merocomp> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:15:32 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c2a760$cb66b4c0$1c076c0a@arenanet.fi> From: "Matti Niemela" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20021204150317.00b14250@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:16:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Thank you very much Jim for SPM-19 input impedance info. Sometimes I get error message 1--202, which disappears when I change attenuator´s value. Could you please check whether the manual can tell something about that error code. Merry Xmas and Happy Year 2003 Matti/OH2ZT ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble > Dear Matti, > > At 16:38 04/12/2002 +0200, you wrote: > >I have SPM-19 too but without any manuals. Could you plase check what kind > >of input impedance is in "unbal 75" but selected without termination > >(infinite). > > The manual says " > 10kohm//60pF" in the infinite impedance position. > > The additional attenuation caused by connecting this input across a 75 ohm > system is specified as less than 0.05dB at frequencies up to 1MHz. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27583 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 12:15:52 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 12:15:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 23622 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 12:15:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 12:15:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OzZh-0006pT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:14:49 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OzZh-0006pK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:14:49 +0000 Received: from host213-122-28-152.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.28.152] helo=main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18OzZa-0004fm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:14:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2a758$0e3af260$981c7ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:12:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Steve's DCF data plotted Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020306060503040604040600" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020306060503040604040600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I have taken the chance to plot Steve's log of DCF39 signal strength in a similar format to my DCF39 plots. It shows some similarity to the old CFH plots I used to collect, and suggests that T/A conditions are quite reasonable at the moment. It is about three weeks since the last geomagnetic storm, and the highest Kp in the last two weeks has been an occasional 4. As a .GIF this will hopefully just get through the reflector. 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invoked by uid 10001); 19 Dec 2002 11:44:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 11:44:08 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Oz1H-0006eZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:39:15 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Oz1H-0006eQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:39:15 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Oz1B-00057r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:39:09 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Oz19-00076W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:39:07 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021219111939.00aeb580@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:30:06 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001d01c2a633$d31d7060$0700000a@parissn2> References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <3DFDE74B.7725145F@diolog.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20021217140941.029d9210@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Stewart, LF Group, At 02:21 18/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: >There will occasionally be huge phase discrepancies, when >one signal is nearly canceled because two effective paths >are roughly 180 degrees apart. But I believe that there >would be good correlation most of the time. A simple experimental test that could be easily done would be to compare the signals from HBG on 75kHz and DCF77 on 77.5kHz - both these signals would fit into the bandwidth of an SSB filter, and could be simultaneously monitored using Spectrum Lab. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3751 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 09:33:18 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 09:33:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 12470 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 09:33:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 09:33:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ox2L-0006DV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:32:13 +0000 Received: from [195.37.42.2] (helo=FHAMWEN.fh-amberg-weiden.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ox2J-0006DM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:32:12 +0000 Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [195.37.42.59]) by FHAMWEN.fh-amberg-weiden.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id KAA04366 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:52:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3E0191F6.5A588E54@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:31:35 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6lpin_Thomas?= Organization: FH-Amberg-Weiden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c2a6e0$aeb24900$1c1bebc3@BI57429bankinter> Subject: Re: LF: Signal report Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=CTYPE_JUST_HTML,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello José:

thank you for your report of Dec. 18, 2145 UTC - with 1686 km its a new one-way-odx for me! I called with 200 W RF on my 13-m-Marconi. Condx seemed to be good but I think everyone was still tired from the thrilling T/A tests ...

Looking forward to a two-way-contact!

Feliz novidad and all the best for the new year

Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK
www.qrz.com

José Manuel schrieb:

Hello Group: Copied CQ from DK1IS at 21.45 on 137705-QRSS3. 73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12497 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 08:26:39 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 08:26:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17430 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 08:26:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 08:26:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ovzh-0005vc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:25:25 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ovzg-0005vT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:25:24 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021219082524.YFRB14589.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c2a738$53353bc0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> <002001c2a6f2$46e367c0$d2c828c3@erica> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:26:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Jason/antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group G3LDO wrote: > Also tried a change in the antenna configuration. Mike, G3XDV, found that > connecting the wires at the far end of his capacity top reduced the antenna > current. My antenna has always had the ends of the capacity top connected at > the far end so I tried disconnecting them. I also tried spacing them further > apart to 2m. The result - it didn't make the slightest difference that I > could measure! No. Sorry if I was unclear. I have three top wires, 18m long, running parallel and spaced 0.5m apart. The wires have always been joined at the far end, and this helps reduce the corona losses. I also had them joined at the feed end, next to the elevated loading coil at the top of the vertical section. What I did was to disconnect the join at the feed end, so that the coil fed just the centre wire. The current then went along this centre wire to the join at the far end, and returned along the two outer wires. This is what increased the resonant frequency when I would have expected the extra L in the top wires to decrease the frequency. I have concluded that the shorting wire close to the coil was probably having a capacitive effect on the coil and reducing the overall frequency. Whether the top wires are electrically in parallel or series seems to make no difference at all. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12511 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 01:44:03 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 01:44:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 5987 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 01:44:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 01:44:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OpfJ-0004g1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:39:57 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OpfI-0004fs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:39:56 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021219014043.JKWS28227.host3@att.net> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3E01237A.8873C993@att.net> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 01:40:10 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0tests=CTYPE_JUST_HTML,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The first 136 kHz US receptions of G3AQC and MØBMU made nearly two years ago were made with my 160 meter dipole.   The dipole is supported with a 1 meter side arm from the 95 foot level of a 100 foot, insulated guy wire tower.  The home brew open wire feed line was fed as a single wire with a series pot core inductor to bring the antenna to resonance.  Later test were made comparing the TA signals received with this antenna to a 3.3 square resonant loop.  This loop was matched with a single turn pick up loop.  The two antennas were comparable for 136 kHz reception most of the time.

Last year I constructed a new receive loop, octagon in shape, twenty turns, a little over 3.3 meters diameter.  This loop is center tapped and feeds a balanced preamp.  Every comparison I made showed this balanced fed loop to outperform either the old loop or the T vertical wire.  I'm a firm believer in the balanced loop design.

W4DEX
www.w4dex.com

MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:

Hi John and LF group,
 
Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation
appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather
than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that
situation?

John Andrews, W1TAG

A big vertical does help a lot against local noise-sources (neighbours' TVs and SMPSs), but with anything originating further away than a couple of 100m, it makes absolutely no difference.

However the directivity provided by a magnetic receive loop can be valuable. If all of the noise was coming in isotropically from the horizon, the figure-eight pattern would theoretically have 3dB better SNR than a vertical, and a cardioid combination would gain 4.8dB. In practice, of course one can often null out a source of QRM or a thunderstorm front and have far greater improvement.

The only problem I am having with small loops is that they seem to be much more prone to local pickup than the E-field antenna - at least in my suburban area which has underground mains wiring. The 86cm-diameter pair in the garden is often swamped by notorious 100Hz-modulated carriers which at the same time I can hardly see on the marconi.

73 de
Markus, DF6NM

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16060 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 00:57:53 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:57:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 27400 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Dec 2002 00:57:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:57:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Op0D-0004VT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:57:29 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.144] (helo=mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Op0C-0004VK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:57:28 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021219005655.IGKP1191.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:56:55 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.54.225.58]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021219005653.YVYF13460.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:56:53 +1300 Message-ID: <003f01c2a6f9$949140d0$b69237d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> <002001c2a6f2$46e367c0$d2c828c3@erica> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:56:34 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Jason/antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Peter G3LDO, > I am still plugging away at trying to find the cause of the cyclic variation > of my antenna current on 72kHz You could need a consultation from H. Hertz ;-) 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21332 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 00:48:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:48:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27676 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 00:48:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:48:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OorA-0004Rx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:48:08 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.99] (helo=imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Oor9-0004Ro-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:48:07 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.ba.329865bc (25508) for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:47:32 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:47:32 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Big vs small RX antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi John and LF group,

Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation
appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather
than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that
situation?

John Andrews, W1TAG


A big vertical does help a lot against local noise-sources (neighbours' TVs and SMPSs), but with anything originating further away than a couple of 100m, it makes absolutely no difference.

However the directivity provided by a magnetic receive loop can be valuable. If all of the noise was coming in isotropically from the horizon, the figure-eight pattern would theoretically have 3dB better SNR than a vertical, and a cardioid combination would gain 4.8dB. In practice, of course one can often null out a source of QRM or a thunderstorm front and have far greater improvement.

The only problem I am having with small loops is that they seem to be much more prone to local pickup than the E-field antenna - at least in my suburban area which has underground mains wiring. The 86cm-diameter pair in the garden is often swamped by notorious 100Hz-modulated carriers which at the same time I can hardly see on the marconi.

73 de
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16942 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 00:35:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:35:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19411 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 00:35:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:35:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Oodf-0004Mp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:34:11 +0000 Received: from [216.136.175.42] (helo=web13306.mail.yahoo.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Oodf-0004Me-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:34:11 +0000 Message-ID: <20021219003058.50141.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.125.44.226] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:30:58 PST Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael Silvers" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: 500kHz (600m) allocations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group See http://www.coastalradio.greater-peterborough.com/ 73 de Mike KB6WFC __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2492 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 00:04:18 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:04:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 20293 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Dec 2002 00:04:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 00:04:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Oo9s-0004Ef-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:03:24 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Oo9r-0004EW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:03:23 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-210.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.210] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Oo9n-000BmN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:03:22 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c2a6f2$46e367c0$d2c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:51:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Jason/antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group First of all congratulations to Jim and John for another 'first'. Congrats also Alberto and Vittorio for their excellent S/W and its success in this experiment. I am still plugging away at trying to find the cause of the cyclic variation of my antenna current on 72kHz Also tried a change in the antenna configuration. Mike, G3XDV, found that connecting the wires at the far end of his capacity top reduced the antenna current. My antenna has always had the ends of the capacity top connected at the far end so I tried disconnecting them. I also tried spacing them further apart to 2m. The result - it didn't make the slightest difference that I could measure! The new structure required two insulators instead of one. I normally use one of PA0SE's excellent ceramic insulators but two were a bit too heavy. I tried making insulators out of high pressure blue plastic water pipe and this seems to stand up to the high voltages quite well. Mind you, if they do start arcing across due to salt encrustation from the sea they will probably catch fire! Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23098 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 23:33:28 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:33:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 29249 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 23:33:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:33:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ongb-00045j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:33:09 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Onga-00045a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:33:08 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.208.29]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021218233307.GSMH277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:33:07 +0000 Message-ID: <003101c2a6ed$ef42fd40$1dd0fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:33:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Jason success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Belated congratulations to all concerned. A really excellent performance. I looked at Jims signal last night as he started and it was terrific. Everything had been just left from the previous night and shortly after I switched on - without doing anything else - an S9 signal appeared on the meter of the TS850 and in the Jason window . It was Jim, genuinely S9, so I wished good luck on the test, switched off again & went to earn some domestic credits to bank against future operations. Full of admiration and envy, 73 de Ian. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20825 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 23:27:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:27:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 24652 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 23:27:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:27:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Onav-00040A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:27:17 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Onau-000401-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:27:17 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b4) for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:27:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c2a6ed$000fa340$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <74WT3Y2UMJQORQWMLBAVQLKGSQE9A5.3e00ed5c@Charlie_Drake> Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 00:27:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090908050307060900060207" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090908050307060900060207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Steve and all, I suspect that these propagation peaks that last two hours or more are accompanied by relatively stable phase delay. If so, coherent detection using a carrier recovered by e.g. an hour's integration should be feasible. Is it known if the transmission from DBF39 is stable enough to measure path delay changes? If it is, do you have a way to record phase variations? 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dove" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! > Greetings, > > Firstly, may I add my heartiest congratulations on this 'Jason' first, to > Jim, John and the conceivers and developers of the mode, especially > Alberto. > > Quietly, in the hope of eventually turning this into something more > useful, I've been recording DBF39's strength using DL4YHF's > excellent Spectrum Lab software. Below is the take encompassing > last night's success. The most useful data column is the first, being > the peak detected signal. Following that are an on-frequency > average (within 1Hz bandwidth) and that of an adjacent 1Hz slice. > > It is relative only, uncalibrated in absolute signal level as yet. > Empirically, anything bigger than about -26dB is ear'ole copy. 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jp/Qvu/+/u8B3O8AP/AEb+oFf/AI37gRvfAM3/AO//AQH/ESP/EUX/ESnwAAOw== --------------090908050307060900060207-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14447 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 23:21:07 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:21:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25965 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 23:21:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:21:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OnTo-0003x4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:19:56 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.164] (helo=imo-m09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OnTm-0003wr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:19:54 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.10.2a0411d9 (3972) for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <10.2a0411d9.2b325c78@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:19:20 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit John, Jim, and Alberto, Vittorio and Stewart,

great news. Congratulations on the good work !

Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22077 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 22:49:58 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 22:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 28353 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 22:49:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 22:49:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18On0F-0003my-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:49:23 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18On0A-0003mp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:49:18 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.95.35]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021218224519.WHLN21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c2a6e7$adbe9600$235f89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004001c2a6c8$8c75de00$74e9fc3e@l8p8y6> <001401c2a6d9$13882a00$482965d5@oemcomputer> <000e01c2a6db$0d7f7260$09dc9384@jka> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:49:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: John Andrews To: Sent: 18 December 2002 21:18 Subject: LF: Re: Re: jason etc > > and a similar antenna at the receiving end instead of small loops or 3 > feet active type antennas. > > Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation > appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather > than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that > situation? Think how clearly you'd be able to hear the noise :-) Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10108 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 22:00:18 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 22:00:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14474 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 22:00:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 22:00:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OmDn-0003ZB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:59:19 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OmDn-0003Z2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:59:19 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h027028.nexo.es [195.235.27.28]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA18980 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:59:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000001c2a6e0$aeb24900$1c1bebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:58:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signal report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32257 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 21:52:53 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 21:52:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 8956 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 21:52:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 21:52:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Om6m-0003Vm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:52:04 +0000 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Om6l-0003Vd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:52:03 +0000 Received: from Charlie_Drake (pcp01445904pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net [68.83.65.211]) by mtaout07.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7C00AQG4MVNO@mtaout07.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:49:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:49:16 -0500 From: "Steve Dove" In-reply-to: <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <74WT3Y2UMJQORQWMLBAVQLKGSQE9A5.3e00ed5c@Charlie_Drake> Organization: d s p MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=INVALID_MSGID,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Greetings, Firstly, may I add my heartiest congratulations on this 'Jason' first, to Jim, John and the conceivers and developers of the mode, especially Alberto. Quietly, in the hope of eventually turning this into something more useful, I've been recording DBF39's strength using DL4YHF's excellent Spectrum Lab software. Below is the take encompassing last night's success. The most useful data column is the first, being the peak detected signal. Following that are an on-frequency average (within 1Hz bandwidth) and that of an adjacent 1Hz slice. It is relative only, uncalibrated in absolute signal level as yet. Empirically, anything bigger than about -26dB is ear'ole copy. Of note is that a few hours later than John's reception, between 0400 and 0600, DBF reached a few dB louder. Indeed as big as I have on record so far. Again, well done! Steve W3EEE 17/12/02 19:59:48;-51.3;-57.8;-60 17/12/02 20:04:48;-50.7;-58.8;-58.4 17/12/02 20:09:48;-52;-58.7;-57.4 17/12/02 20:14:48;-50.4;-59.1;-59.2 17/12/02 20:19:48;-49.8;-58.3;-58.4 17/12/02 20:24:48;-47.6;-56.2;-57.4 17/12/02 20:29:48;-51.2;-57.9;-58.4 17/12/02 20:34:48;-47.5;-55.9;-55.9 17/12/02 20:39:48;-47.9;-57.1;-56.9 17/12/02 20:44:48;-44.3;-57.5;-61.5 17/12/02 20:49:48;-44.5;-55.3;-56 17/12/02 20:54:48;-44.6;-56.5;-59.7 17/12/02 20:59:48;-43.8;-55.1;-58.4 17/12/02 21:04:48;-43.5;-54.8;-57.2 17/12/02 21:09:48;-42.8;-55.7;-56.9 17/12/02 21:14:48;-43.2;-54.4;-59.2 17/12/02 21:19:48;-44.9;-55;-56.3 17/12/02 21:24:48;-41.4;-54;-57.1 17/12/02 21:30:16;-42.6;-55.1;-58.1 17/12/02 21:35:16;-41.4;-54.3;-56.6 17/12/02 21:40:16;-35.7;-49.3;-56 17/12/02 21:45:16;-33.4;-47.5;-54.2 17/12/02 21:50:16;-33.1;-46.9;-55.8 17/12/02 21:55:16;-33.9;-46.7;-56.8 17/12/02 22:00:16;-34.8;-47.9;-56.1 17/12/02 22:05:16;-35.1;-49;-57.3 17/12/02 22:10:16;-37.6;-50.9;-56 17/12/02 22:15:16;-31.4;-44.8;-50.3 17/12/02 22:20:16;-29.6;-42.7;-55.7 17/12/02 22:25:16;-26.6;-41.3;-53.8 17/12/02 22:30:14;-31.7;-43.1;-55.7 17/12/02 22:35:14;-28.9;-43.3;-53.8 17/12/02 22:40:14;-25.2;-39.5;-54.7 17/12/02 22:45:14;-25.9;-40.1;-55.8 17/12/02 22:50:14;-29.2;-42;-48 17/12/02 22:55:14;-27.8;-41.9;-53.4 17/12/02 23:00:14;-26.1;-40.6;-52.3 17/12/02 23:05:14;-24.9;-39.5;-51.7 17/12/02 23:10:14;-25.9;-40.4;-50.5 17/12/02 23:15:14;-24.7;-38.7;-56.8 17/12/02 23:20:14;-21.6;-36.1;-54 17/12/02 23:25:14;-22.1;-36.5;-56.8 17/12/02 23:30:14;-22.7;-36.8;-55.1 17/12/02 23:35:14;-20.8;-35.6;-53.4 17/12/02 23:40:14;-23.3;-37.8;-55.7 17/12/02 23:45:14;-22.7;-36.9;-54.2 17/12/02 23:50:14;-23.3;-36;-48.8 17/12/02 23:55:14;-20.4;-35.5;-53.7 18/12/02 00:00:14;-20.9;-35.8;-52.9 18/12/02 00:05:14;-21.1;-35.6;-52.9 18/12/02 00:10:14;-23.3;-38.1;-55.4 18/12/02 00:15:14;-23.9;-38.6;-56.2 18/12/02 00:20:14;-25.4;-39.5;-53.7 18/12/02 00:25:14;-25.1;-39.9;-54.9 18/12/02 00:30:14;-26.7;-41.2;-53.1 18/12/02 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majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OlWK-0003MF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:14:24 +0000 Received: from [206.173.118.93] (helo=uhura.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OlWF-0003M6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:14:23 +0000 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBILEFC25746 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA28011; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:14:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000e01c2a6db$0d7f7260$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004001c2a6c8$8c75de00$74e9fc3e@l8p8y6> <001401c2a6d9$13882a00$482965d5@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:18:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > and a similar antenna at the receiving end instead of small loops or 3 feet active type antennas. Just curious -- since the signal to noise ratio in my receiving installation appears to be limited by external (man-made and atmospheric) noise, rather than noise in my preamp/receiver, how would a 100 foot tower improve that situation? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10745 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 21:04:05 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 21:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 7174 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 21:04:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 21:04:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OlLj-0003GA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:03:27 +0000 Received: from [130.244.199.129] (helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OlLi-0003G1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:03:26 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.41.72]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20021218210326.ETYI10102.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:03:26 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c2a6d9$13882a00$482965d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004001c2a6c8$8c75de00$74e9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:03:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: jason etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mal wrote: > Just think what could be achieved with 1200 watts, a 100 ft vertical antenna resonated on 136 khz > and a similar antenna at the receiving end instead of small loops or 3 feet active type antennas. Assuming 10 ohms total loss, that would result in almost 10W ERP even without top loading! +10dBL (where L stands for Legal Limit :-) is not fair play... 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1174 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 20:39:28 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 20:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 29693 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 20:39:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 20:39:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OkxM-00038H-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:38:16 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OkxM-000388-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:38:16 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.120]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021218203815.MWYE21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:38:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2a6d5$59d0dba0$78e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:37:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: KW204 TX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    Hi All
I have a KW204 TX made by KW Electronics, Dartford, Kent. It could be modified for LF but I need the pin out connections for the sockets on the back. One socket is female Octal, the other is female 12 pin socket. It would appear some of these pins need to be connected to work. Any help appreciated, it was made around 1970 and not unlike some of the Collins S line equipment.
It would also make a nice driver for a LF transverter.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2000 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 19:07:37 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 19:07:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14113 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 19:07:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 19:07:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OjWh-0002qh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:06:39 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OjWg-0002qY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:06:38 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.116]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021218190637.JOSI19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:06:37 +0000 Message-ID: <004001c2a6c8$8c75de00$74e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:05:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: jason etc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Jim is an old hand with modes other than qrs for across the pond reports, like 7fsk and wolf. Whether they totally fulfilled the QSO criteria with a complete callsign I don't know. If Jason is making it across then so should normal hand sent CW as I have always predicted. Just think what could be achieved with 1200 watts, a 100 ft vertical antenna resonated on 136 khz  and a similar antenna at the receiving end instead of small loops or 3 feet active type antennas.
Most of the hundreds of USA amateurs active on 160 metres dxing have towers between 100 and 300 ft high but they do not seem to be interested in the LF area, If they were, normal CW qso's would be routine, especially during the winter period.
Go for the all mode award g/tor, p/tor,amtor, psk31 and all the others, it is possible with a good tail wind and someone with a suitable antenna at the receiving end.
Remember the predictions in the Comic not so long ago when it was said that if you got a QSO on 73 or 136  some yards or maybe a couple of miles away that was about your limit!!!!
Those of us with commercial experience in both LF and HF knew that was not the case, and it was just a question of time before amateurs would make it across the pond and beyond on LF.
I would also say that 73 khz would probably have an advantage over 136 khz given like for like, unfortunately there is not enough consistant activity on either band at present to prove the point.
Jim is probably the most consistant experimenter at present the rest of us are just stragglers!!!!
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6937 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 18:51:31 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 18:51:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 13928 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 18:51:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 18:51:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OjH3-0002lV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:50:29 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OjH2-0002lE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:50:29 +0000 Received: from [213.40.208.10] (helo=tcs1) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18OjGQ-0000ku-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:49:51 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:51:02 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: LF GDO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All at LF, Just been browsing LF web sites & on looking at the Longwave Club of America home page there is a reference to an article as shown below. ************** The LOWDOWN This Month. In the Dec. 2002 issue: "Gate Dip Oscillator for the LowFER and MedFER" Article by George N. McCormick. ************** Has anyone got details of this LF GDO or something similar for use at 136 Khz as it seems to me that an exsisting HF GDO would require extensive modifications to allow it to operate at this low frequency. I have an Eddystone S902 GDO which goes down to 390 Khz but the coil arrangement seems complex in respect of extending the range to 136 Khz. Any ideas are welcome. May I also add my congratulations to those already posted for the JASON T/A reception of Jim's transmission by John. I tried monitoring but did not receive anything intelligable, may be I require more tries to get it right ?? as I am not sure of the best method of setting up the receiver frequency etc for use with JASON. Any advice gents ? Regards Gary G4WGT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30958 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 17:58:56 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 17:58:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 20093 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 17:58:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 17:58:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OiS6-0002ao-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:57:50 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OiS5-0002af-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:57:49 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18OiRx-00074o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:57:41 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OiRv-0003wP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:57:39 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218173626.00b01b58@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:56:54 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: No Jason tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, Thanks for all the messages re last night's activity. According to the lightning activity maps, there seem to be large thunderstorms drifting around the central USA at the moment, so it looks like a noisy night on 136k again. So I will take a break from the Jason beacon activity tonight, and try again later in the week. I would like to get some more DX reports with Jason - If anyone has any preferences for frequencies other than 137.500kHz, or other ideas for improvements, please let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31374 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 17:04:39 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 17:04:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 8511 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 17:04:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 17:04:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OhV5-0002MA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:56:51 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OhV5-0002M1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:56:51 +0000 Received: from modem-46.new-mexico.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.82.46] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18OhV4-0005kz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:56:51 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c2a6b7$b18b0820$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:02:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re.M0BMU Jason success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I must add my congratulations to Jim and John, Alberto and all who have contributed, well done. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4289 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 16:33:39 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 16:33:39 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 24535 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 16:33:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 16:33:38 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Oh7q-0002Ev-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:32:50 +0000 Received: from [194.65.79.76] (helo=sapo.pt) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Oh7q-0002Em-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:32:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 29821 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 16:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (194.65.79.73) by relay2.ptm.pt with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 16:32:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 14789 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO slave-5.sapo.pt) (brian_@sapo.pt@[213.13.224.28]) (envelope-sender ) by sapo.pt (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Dec 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20021218163043.00ac44b0@pop.sapo.pt> X-Sender: brian_@sapo.pt@pop.sapo.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:34:14 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group My congratulations to Jim and John and all else who have contributed. May I repeat the exclamation "awesome" at the triple success! Brian CT1DRP At 02:06 18/12/2002, you wrote: >In what I believe is the first transatlantic LF Jason reception, I was >greeted with the following when I returned home tonight: From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17114 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 15:59:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 15:59:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 3475 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 15:59:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 15:59:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OgXL-00025G-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:55:07 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OgXI-000255-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:55:04 +0000 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBIFstg28992 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA01978; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:54:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002801c2a6ae$7012dd40$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> <005f01c2a6a4$5cabb740$9419ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:59:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by darius.concentric.net id gBIFstg28992 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jose, >It´s the third time I decode Jason signals with V0.94, but I´ve seen that exists another release, is that available??< It's still experimental, but the latest version can be downloaded at: http://www.weaksignals.com/bin/jaspak_v095a_test.exe John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1257 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 14:48:38 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 14:48:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 18190 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 14:48:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 14:48:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OfTw-0001k1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:47:32 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OfTw-0001js-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:47:32 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h025148.nexo.es [195.235.25.148]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA10496 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:47:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005f01c2a6a4$5cabb740$9419ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:47:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.bankinter.es id PAA10496 Subject: LF: Re: Re: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Bodin" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 12:10 PM Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU Jason Success! Congratulations to Jim and John and of course also to Alberto and Vittorio. Congrats to Stewart too (if John used his decoder :-) Hello to the Group: I also received the Jim´s successful beacon test transmission. Congratulations! It´s the third time I decode Jason signals with V0.94, but I´ve seen that exists another release, is that available?? 73 de José, EA1PX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19128 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 12:41:39 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 29981 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 12:41:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:41:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OdVV-0001Bl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:41:01 +0000 Received: from [195.66.35.200] (helo=smtp1.home.se) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OdVU-0001Ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:41:00 +0000 Received: from CAN 050140599@home.se [213.67.7.129] by smtp1.home.se with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.16 $ on Novell NetWare; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:32:55 -119304547 Message-ID: <000901c2a692$a5687e80$4301a8c0@CAN> From: "Christer Andersson" <050140599@home.se> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1a8.de39a4a.2b319c33@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:40:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >>In what I believe is the first transatlantic LF Jason reception, I was >>greeted with the following when I returned home tonight: >>http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/BMU-JAS.jpg >Well done Jim / John >Excellent result. Full callsign, Locator.......it's all there. And you must know - on beforehand - the other station's callsign and locator to know that you have received everything correctly. Right? /sm6pxj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26602 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 12:28:38 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:28:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 26975 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 12:28:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:28:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OdIw-00016J-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:28:02 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OdIw-00016A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:28:02 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18OdIo-0000jj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:27:54 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OdId-00062P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:27:43 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021218114357.00afbe68@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:27:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <1a8.de39a4a.2b319c33@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, Very pleased that Jason has made it across the pond - thanks to W1TAG for the reception, and also to I2PHD, I2CZL and KK7KA for the software development. The actual message was "M0BMU M0BMU JASON 95 IO91VR", repeated endlessly. I was running 1.2kW into a 13m high inverted V, giving about 5A antenna current - in the past, field strength measurements put the ERP of this set-up at almost exactly 1W. (incidentally, in last night's frost, loss/ground/system resistance was down 15% on the previous night...) G0MRF wrote: ...Not only the first Jason reception but also the first mode other than QRSS to cross the pond. .. Not quite - nearly a year ago, several people copied my "7FSK" tests - sometimes much to their annoyance! Also, the previous year, W1TAG copied one of the WOLF tests - it seems John and myself currently have the monopoly on Transatlantic LF digital modes :-) Regarding possible use for T/A QSOs, each character (including the spaces) lasts about 24 seconds in Jason - so the kind of minimal QSOs being discussed at the moment could be executed within 30 minutes with solid copy both ways. Of course, last night's conditions did not give perfect copy - but looking at John's screen shot, it was not actually far off doing so over at least 1 half hour period. I am confident under good conditions, Jason would be a viable 2-way transatlantic mode. A nice feature of Jason is that it is not too fussy about the frequency - assuming you are going for "blind" reception, ie. you are not adjusting the tuning in response to a received signal, I think about +/- 1Hz accuracy would be adequate to get the whole signal within the yellow lines on the Jason waterfall. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU >one day be spanned with standard CW. > >How important was your ability to accurately set frequency John? Is there >an acceptable margin of error with Jason 95? > >73 > >David G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30645 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 12:24:59 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 12909 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 12:24:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:24:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OdFR-00011t-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:24:25 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.19] (helo=mx09.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OdFQ-00011I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:24:24 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by mx09.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 42571760 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:23:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c2a690$9fff3800$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:26:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Johan, >Congratulations to Jim and John and of course also to Alberto and Vittorio. Congrats to Stewart too (if John used his decoder :-) < Thanks. And Albert and Vittorio do deserve thanks from all of us who use their excellent (and free!) software. The best results in decoding Jim's signal have been with the KK7A decoder and the "Hendrixiser." So thanks also go out to Stewart Nelson and Jimi Hendrix. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14778 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 12:21:41 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:21:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 26146 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 12:21:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 12:21:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OdCE-0000yv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:21:06 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.21] (helo=dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OdC8-0000ym-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:21:01 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 13695860 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:20:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c2a690$2699a4a0$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1a8.de39a4a.2b319c33@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:22:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave, >Not only the first Jason reception but also the first mode other than QRSS to cross the pond. < Uh... not so! I copied Jim in WOLF mode in March, 2001. Since I've also seen him in QRSS mode, this makes the third variety from his garden. However, it is the most significant, as tests with the Lowfers over here have shown WOLF to be similarly effective to QRSS60. Jason appears to be closer to QRSS10. >I'm sure all your hard work finding the right propagation and co-ordination between you will encourage those who hope that the path can one day be spanned with standard CW. < I think we're more than a few dB short. How important was your ability to accurately set frequency John? Is there an acceptable margin of error with Jason 95? Jason is very forgiving in that regard, as it works on the DIFFERENCE between the tones. An error of a few Hz would not be a problem. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19189 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 11:55:40 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 11:55:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 19634 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 11:55:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 11:55:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OcnG-0000pd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:55:18 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.41] (helo=mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OcnG-0000pU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:55:18 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021218115517.HQTJ22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:55:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c2a68c$7bbfe100$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:56:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Congratulations to all. How long did it take to transfer all of the correct information? This is important to know if real time CW is to work. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12833 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 11:47:57 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 11:47:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11612 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 11:47:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 11:47:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OceO-0000lD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:46:08 +0000 Received: from [130.244.199.132] (helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OceN-0000l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:46:07 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.76]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20021218114559.CJTO21.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:45:59 +0100 Message-ID: <006c01c2a68b$343a5be0$4c2465d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:10:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Congratulations to Jim and John and of course also to Alberto and Vittorio. Congrats to Stewart too (if John used his decoder :-) Well done! 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1627 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 09:41:03 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 09:41:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2862 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 09:40:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 09:40:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Oafv-0008RT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:39:35 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.105] (helo=imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Oaft-0008RD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:39:33 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.1a8.de39a4a (4246) for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:38:59 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.de39a4a.2b319c33@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:38:59 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/18/02 2:57:56 AM GMT Standard Time, w1tag@charter.net writes:


In what I believe is the first transatlantic LF Jason reception, I was
greeted with the following when I returned home tonight:

http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/BMU-JAS.jpg


Well done Jim / John
Excellent result. Full callsign, Locator.......it's all there.

Not only the first Jason reception but also the first mode other than QRSS to cross the pond.
I'm sure all your hard work finding the right propagation and co-ordination between you will encourage those who hope that the path can one day be spanned with standard CW.

How important was your ability to accurately set frequency John? Is there an acceptable margin of error with Jason 95?

73

David   G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11580 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 08:31:59 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 08:31:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 6641 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 08:31:56 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 08:31:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OZXx-00081S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:27:17 +0000 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OZXx-00081J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:27:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 33005 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 11:27:15 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 11:27:15 +0300 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:27:09 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <7263735738.20021218112709@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: QRS ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=NOSPAM_INC,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello LF-funs! >From November 9 till November 15 in San-Marino there passed a conference of I Region IARU. The question on QRS was considered - Who has the information (URL or ...)on this question? 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15989 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:46:47 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:46:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 1298 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:46:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:46:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OUDi-0006pE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:46:02 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OUDh-0006p5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:46:01 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021218024715.ZBKL336.host4@att.net> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:47:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFFE173.EDBFD03@att.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:46:11 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Congratulations John and Jim! John, you were not without competition but my Jason had both hands tied behind his back. I have a strong signal dead on 137.500 and the QRN sounds like a summer evening here. The HBG plot shows a good peak from 2300 to 0100 UT but took a 15 db dive by 0200. Dex John Andrews wrote: > > In what I believe is the first transatlantic LF Jason reception, I was > greeted with the following when I returned home tonight: > > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/BMU-JAS.jpg > > I'm not sure that Jim's whole message appears intact in one place. I'll let > him decide that, as I only have a rough idea of what was being sent. > > The above was captured between 2230 and 0200 on the evening of 17-18 > December. Best copy was after 0000. Conditions were excellent, much quieter > than the previous nights. I have a .wav file of the 2300 - 0200 period, and > will be tweaking it for possible better copy. > > John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30194 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:38:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:38:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 28888 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 02:38:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:38:37 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OU5D-0006ky-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:37:15 +0000 Received: from [206.46.170.210] (helo=pop017.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OU5C-0006kn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:37:14 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.172.142]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021218023639.ZPZR10203.pop017.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:36:39 -0600 Message-ID: <3DFFDF4A.6080109@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:36:58 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "lf-amrad" References: X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.172.142] at Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:36:39 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: RE: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group WE0H wrote: > Damn that's awesome!!! > > Mike>WE0H > > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/BMU-JAS.jpg > well deserved kudos André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12448 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:17:10 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:17:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 8841 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 02:17:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:17:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OTkv-0006fB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:16:17 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OTkv-0006f2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:16:17 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBI2GAr23705 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:16:10 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:16:00 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Damn that's awesome!!! Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:06 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! In what I believe is the first transatlantic LF Jason reception, I was greeted with the following when I returned home tonight: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/BMU-JAS.jpg I'm not sure that Jim's whole message appears intact in one place. I'll let him decide that, as I only have a rough idea of what was being sent. The above was captured between 2230 and 0200 on the evening of 17-18 December. Best copy was after 0000. Conditions were excellent, much quieter than the previous nights. I have a .wav file of the 2300 - 0200 period, and will be tweaking it for possible better copy. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7330 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:08:18 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:08:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 5465 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 02:08:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:08:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OTbj-0006Zy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:06:47 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.28] (helo=dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OTbe-0006Zp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:06:42 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 10763259 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:10:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c2a63a$0b655720$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:06:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: M0BMU Jason Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group In what I believe is the first transatlantic LF Jason reception, I was greeted with the following when I returned home tonight: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/files/BMU-JAS.jpg I'm not sure that Jim's whole message appears intact in one place. I'll let him decide that, as I only have a rough idea of what was being sent. The above was captured between 2230 and 0200 on the evening of 17-18 December. Best copy was after 0000. Conditions were excellent, much quieter than the previous nights. I have a .wav file of the 2300 - 0200 period, and will be tweaking it for possible better copy. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4290 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 01:22:13 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 01:22:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 21555 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Dec 2002 01:22:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 01:22:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OSuN-0006Ni-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:21:59 +0000 Received: from [206.46.170.173] (helo=pop016.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OSuN-0006NE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:21:59 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.38.60]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20021218012125.CTCS4233.pop016.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:21:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3DFFCDA7.2050702@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:21:43 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1a4.dbf947d.2b309115@aol.com> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.156.38.60] at Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:21:24 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > Earth resistance messages now exceeding offers to extend parts of my > anatomy and refinance my house... Dave, Too late, I have just refinanced my house, but how about forwarding the other offers ? :-) Merry Christmas to y'all (as we say in Virginia) de André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7347 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 01:21:53 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 01:21:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 13265 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 01:21:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 01:21:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OStL-0006NA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:20:55 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OStK-0006N1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:20:54 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b4) for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:20:51 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c2a633$d31d7060$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <3DFDE74B.7725145F@diolog.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20021217140941.029d9210@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 02:21:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Jim and all, Well, I admit to not having any solid data on the subject, and was hoping to get some feedback from the propagation experts here. The HBG signal would not be used to predict the absolute phase of G3AQC, but only changes in the propagation delay. The quadrature signal from G3AQC would be rotated according to the received HBG phase, and the resulting complex signal integrated. The final decode would be performed based on the phase recovered from the integrated result. How this is done would depend on the modulation used; for CW, choosing the angle with maximum total energy would probably be adequate. So the phase only has to roughly track, most of the time. If you are off by, say, 30 degrees, that's just a 1.25 dB loss. There will occasionally be huge phase discrepancies, when one signal is nearly canceled because two effective paths are roughly 180 degrees apart. But I believe that there would be good correlation most of the time. Errors in caused by the frequency difference would be minimized if G3AQC could transmit closer to HBG. I am ignorant of both the law and QRM sources on this band. An old page on the RSGB site says 71.6 to 74.4 kHz. Is it currently legal (and advisable) to Tx near 74.4? The big unknown is how much error is caused by location difference. There seems to be pretty good amplitude correlation between HBG and AQC as received by Dex, so I am guessing that the delay correlation would be adequate. My apologies if this is way wrong. 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format > Dear Stewart, LF Group, > > At 19:48 16/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >However, I believe that HBG 75 could serve as a "pilot" carrier. > > In order to serve as a pilot carrier in this way, the signal from HBG would > have to be subject to exactly the same propagation effects and noise levels > as G3AQC - but since these two stations are operating in different > locations, on different frequencies, is it likely that this is actually the > case? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28184 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 23:37:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 23:37:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 23320 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 23:37:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 23:37:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ORGO-00065B-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:36:36 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ORGN-000652-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:36:35 +0000 Received: from host213-1-190-104.btinternet.com ([213.1.190.104] helo=main) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18ORGL-0001St-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:36:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2a625$092c63a0$68be01d5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:08:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Ground resistiivty and loss resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The discussion continues to produce interesting ideas. At the risk of boring some I would like to throw in some more information. Ground resistivity is usually measured with a 4 probe technique. ( I used a similar method for exploring silicon ingot doping, and hence resistivity, also diffused layers, when I started work on transistors in the early 60s.) The measurement is based on the classic Kelvin bridge technique for measurring low value resistors (my first lab experiment at University) low value 'shunt' resistors with 4 terminals are often refered to as having Kelvin contacts. The connection is used to avoid the affect of contact resistance if only two terminals were used. The resistance value seen would be the required value plus two variable terminal contact resistances. This is avoided by passing the measuring current through one or a pair of terminals at each end, and measuring the voltage drop across the other pair. Provided there is very little current drawn by the "voltmeter" the contact resistance at the voltage terminals will not significantly corrupt the true measurement. The 4 probe ground resistivity measurement works similarly. A potential is applied to drive a current between the outer probes and the voltage is measured on the inner pair. Contact resistance is a major problem with this kind of soil measurement and this technique avoids it nicely. Polarisation with DC can still be a problem hence the use of either a reversing switch or more often mains frequency current is common. Strangely enough the penetration of the probes is not really important although it affects the calculation if the penetration is of the same order as the spacing of the probes. (For the archeologists see the probe length and spacing on the things being heaved around by Time Team's geophys experts.....UK TV) The more important factor is the probe spacing as one may consider that the reading is influenced by the ground to approximately the same depth as the spacing used (so surface contact is adequate). Some measurements have been made with spacing of many kilometers. My AVO test leads would be a pushed at that distance !! Remember that the ground penetration at 136kHz can be between 5 and 20 metres. John G3PAI and the "cavemen" work through 100s of metres at 87kHz. Although ground resistivity obviously correlates in some way with our aerial loss resistance it is not anything we can do much about. Most of us are stuck with the ground we choose, usually for other than amateur radio reasons, to live on. The important factor is to try to reduce the "ground" loss (which includes environmental factors) as much as possible. Because there are so wide a variation of situations it really is not possible to give anything more than rough guidelines for use at any one site. I can only suggest measuring it and trying different approaches to see which gives the best returns on effort. I suggest measuring an unresonated aerial since it avoids a having too many variables. You can also easily measure it over a range of frequencies. This can be important because occasionally deviations from the expected resistance frequency curve are seen and sometimes these can be related to problems unknown to us and outside out control. One might be a resonant length of mains cable to an outbuilding, of from a supply transformer. I think you will soon find that there is little to be gained in most places by using multiple earth stakes, and you can soon reach a optimum on conterpoise installation. Then the remaining and to my mind most fruitful area is to increase the aerial top-load capacity. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19736 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 22:58:55 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 22:58:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 5210 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 22:58:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 22:58:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OQf7-0005vv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:58:05 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OQf6-0005vG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:58:04 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 19992595 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:57:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c2a61f$b1ab8480$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:57:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: M0BMU Jason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I have an "IO91" mixed with the random text on my screen. Will leave it running, and check the results in a few hours. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25027 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 22:31:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 22:31:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 11841 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 22:31:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 22:31:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OQDn-0005pG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:29:51 +0000 Received: from [66.27.141.37] (helo=momsnu1) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OQDn-0005p7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:29:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.12] by momsnu1 (ArGoSoft Mail Server for Windows NT/2000, Version 1.4 (1.4.0.5)); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:07:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000701c2a618$b0d266c0$0c00a8c0@home> From: "DTX" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:07:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: argo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John, there does not NEED to be a lot there that you don't choose to start. VSMON, Systray, DVP95 and Explorer come to mind. If you stop one of them, strangeness occurrs ;-) I think if you stop Explorer, a new copy will start. Next would be anything that goes to special hardware you might have, e.g. a video driver like my aticwd32 (or something close to that) gets started in my machine. Also, any open folders will be in that list. But those should be recognizable to you. And of course the worst scenario is a virus or spyware running. How careful are you with virus and trojan scanning and updates? Do you get the same list first thing after booting up each time? And how many? If you get the list, I (or others) could give an opinion on what they are or could be. Some items will be in the StartUp folder but many use a registry key, especially ones that don't want you to easily disable them, like spyware. Another possibility is if you use that machine to play with, err, evaluate, lots of software then perhaps some did not clean up after themselves when uninstalled? A lot of "freeware" is actually "advertizer sponsored" which leads to the spyware being put on your machine. And there are probably 37 other causes that I have forgotten about . Gary WA6DTX ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: LF: argo > Rik said: > > It may help if you can turn off any other software (don't forget all the > > stuff that is started when you launch Windows). > There seems to be an awful lot of this on my machine (if I type CTRL-ALT-DEL > once I get a list of 17 different processes, most of which I do not > recognise). Where can I find out what they are and what they are for, so I > can decide whether I can safely delete them? I'm running Windows 98 and > Office 97. > > Regards, > John Rabson G3PAI > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3419 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 21:38:43 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 21:38:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 1764 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 21:38:42 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 21:38:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OPLq-0005cp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:34:06 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OPLl-0005cg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:34:01 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.209.84]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021217213400.LZBG15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:34:00 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2a614$1eccf320$54d1fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003501c2a54e$f83bdca0$d77c7ad5@main> <000401c2a557$a3107de0$12ce28c3@erica> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:50:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Peter, as I recall, didn't W1BB go through puzzlement like yours during his extensive top band activities about forty to fifty years ago (that's my generation gap showing again) operating from the middle of a salt marsh? Bound to be something in the ARRL archives about it tho' if I remember aright SWM also carried reports. At least you have a respectable amount of antenna current. My modest 1.5A into 3 wire 27ft vertical with about 630ft of criss-cross top loading seems to vary with the number of starlings and goldfinches using it as a meeting place. As I am on boulder clay on top of limestone, even getting earth rods to go in, let alone make measurements, is difficult enough. However when building on the 'west wing' last year I got the builder (GI0VLE) to put down a 5 wire fan of heavy earth cable under the founds and have that plus the four 4ft spikes of the old station earth tied to the ( all copper)water and heating pipework in the bungalow, which is in turn connected via copper to the iron watermain in the street, and for good measure to redundant power and telephone earths from who knows where.. As a station earth it seems to make little odds on HF but it don't half help the LF. 73, Ian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26001 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 20:28:29 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 20:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 17089 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 20:28:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 20:28:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OOJq-0005Pc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:27:58 +0000 Received: from [206.173.118.93] (helo=uhura.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OOJp-0005PS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:27:57 +0000 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBHKRmC11206 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA21867; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:27:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004f01c2a60b$61566c20$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217180637.00a97210@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:32:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU Jason transmission tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim, I will set up for Jason reception again tonight. Won't be able to check the result until 0300, though. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 634 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 20:25:55 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 20:25:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 2367 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 20:25:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 20:25:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OOH6-0005MJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:25:08 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk ident=mail) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OOH6-0005MA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:25:08 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18OOH6-0003YH-00 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:25:08 +0000 Received: from a7j7r2 (bts-0577.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.65]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id gBHKP6o32724 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:25:06 GMT Message-ID: <007a01c2a60a$30204460$4132f7c2@a7j7r2> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:43:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: argo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Rik said: > It may help if you can turn off any other software (don't forget all the > stuff that is started when you launch Windows). There seems to be an awful lot of this on my machine (if I type CTRL-ALT-DEL once I get a list of 17 different processes, most of which I do not recognise). Where can I find out what they are and what they are for, so I can decide whether I can safely delete them? I'm running Windows 98 and Office 97. Regards, John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28115 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 19:36:56 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 19:36:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 23166 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 19:36:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 19:36:55 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ONVK-0005Cp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:35:46 +0000 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ONVG-0005Cc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:35:45 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-21.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1040153710!22313 Received: (qmail 21395 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 19:35:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-21.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 19:35:10 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:32:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSKVSQD1; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:36:37 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:32:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: LF: System Resistance+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim, >>....Please separate System R and actual Earth R ... >It would certainly make life easier. Please tell us how this separation is >to be accomplished... I think Mal's point is that we have to be very cautious about reporting effects such as this without fully evaluating the total system. Another easy mistake (and this hits close to home due to the saturated 'tree density' on my property) is to report ground loss without taking tree losses into account. They both effect the total system resistance and are hard to separate. I was just about to post an interesting story about the extremes of loop current I have witnessed over the last week. The soil changed from a nearly saturated moisture condition, to a frozen condition, to a rain/snow soaked condition, and to a frozen condition. Easy to assume it's the ground that's causing the loop current to change 30%, right? Just before I hit the SEND button I recalled that my 26ft diam .8" Cu test loop indicated almost no change from the .07 ohms Rac during this time - so how could the above variance be totally caused by the soil moisture? Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5555 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 18:38:50 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 18:38:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2410 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 18:38:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 18:38:49 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OMbY-0004xj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:38:08 +0000 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OMbX-0004xa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:38:08 +0000 Received: (qmail 20238 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 21:38:06 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 21:38:06 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:37:57 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <4613976144.20021217213757@dx.ru> To: "RaySoifer@cs.com" In-reply-to: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re[2]: LF: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Ray & All! Tuesday, December 17, 2002, 8:34:40 PM, you wrote: Rcc> This format seems to be derived from the QSO format used in EME at 432 MHz Rcc> and above. As an alternative, 144 MHz EME has dropped the use of T and M Rcc> reports, and uses only O which can only be sent to mean "I have copied both Rcc> callsigns." The ending "K" to necessary... as against EME Rcc> When both stations have exchanged callsigns, O and R (meaning Rcc> "roger" or "received"), the QSO is complete (73 is unnecessary). If signals Rcc> are especially strong, sometimes RST is substituted for O (as in 339, hi) I agree with Ray's comments, if will be Very slow QRSS (30-120s dot) - Very slow QRSS (or X-CW) QSO - if callsing exchanged and both TX O(M,T) or R also - QSO complete. QSO Format #1 : 1) G3AQC K 2) AQC RU6LA K 3) LA M K 4) AQC MR (M & "Roger") K 5) R EE 6) EE or QSO Format #2 (under sked): 1) G3AQC K 2) RU6LA K 3) LA M K (or LA R K) 4) AQC MR K (or AQC R K) 5) R EE 6) EE or QSO Format #3 (under sked): 1) G3AQC K 2) RU6LA K 3) MM K (or M K or R K) 4) MM RR K (or M K or R K) 5) R EE 6) EE 6) EE - can be not necessary?? 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23852 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 18:19:32 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 18:19:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 18201 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 18:19:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 18:19:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OMJ4-0004pZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:19:02 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OMJ4-0004pP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:19:02 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.152]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021217181900.HYXR15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2a5f8$ba5377e0$98ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1a4.dbf947d.2b309115@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:18:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE

Earth resistance messages now exceeding offers to extend parts of my anatomy and refinance my house........now apx 1 per hour.
And what difference does it make whether it be high or low, you are stuck with what you have, so make the best of it. You could always move QTH, river boats are getting popular.
A little knowledge is dangerous. Some of the signals on the air are from Amateurs that never heard of Ground conductivity!! they just happen to have the right environment for antennas.
G3KEV


 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11135 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 18:16:12 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 18:16:12 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 24905 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 18:15:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 18:15:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OMEj-0004nI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:14:33 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OMEi-0004n9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:14:32 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18OMEd-0001DX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:14:27 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OMEb-0000ix-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:14:25 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217180637.00a97210@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:14:24 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <3DFE71F8.1060408@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: M0BMU Jason transmission tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, Thanks to all those who listened for signals last night, and for the reports. I will run the Jason mode beacon again tonight - 2200 - 0200 utc, 137.500kHz as before. Any reports would be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6416 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 17:35:52 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 17:35:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24676 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 17:35:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 17:35:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OLcf-0004ag-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:35:13 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.101] (helo=imo-r05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OLce-0004aV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:35:12 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.e6.332aca0f (4539) for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:34:40 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: Re: LF: QSO format Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, UPPERCASE_25_50version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/17/02 4:58:50 PM Greenwich Standard Time, ed@dx.ru writes:
Hello LF-fans!

I like the following algorithm more:

QRSS - QRSS
------------
1) CQ G3AQC K
2) G3AQC RU6LA K
3) RU6LA O AQC K   (or RU6LA O G3AQC K if no correct G3AQC call)
4) AQC O RO ("Roger O") LA K   (or AQC OR LA K ??)
5) LA RO AQC SK    (or better LA R AQC EE ??)
6) LA SK (or LA EE ??)

QRSS - CW (X-band also)
-----------------------
The CW-station will carry out traditional CW-CW QSO,
but the report gives O, M or T
1) CQ G3AQC K
2).......
3) RU6LA S7 ("Strength 7") AQC K
4).......
5)LA RO AQC SK  (or LA R AQC EE ??)
6).......
(I had a some QSOs with UA and all have understood, that I have
given them RST 579 ;-))


Ed et al,

This format seems to be derived from the QSO format used in EME at 432 MHz and above.  As an alternative, 144 MHz EME has dropped the use of T and M reports, and uses only O which can only be sent to mean "I have copied both callsigns."  When both stations have exchanged callsigns, O and R (meaning "roger" or "received"), the QSO is complete (73 is unnecessary).  If signals are especially strong, sometimes RST is substituted for O (as in 339, hi)

73,

Ray, W2RS

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10553 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 16:58:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 16:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18270 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 16:58:40 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 16:58:40 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OL2a-0004NP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:57:56 +0000 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OL2Z-0004NG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:57:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 18795 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 19:57:53 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 19:57:53 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:57:43 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <1157961405.20021217195743@dx.ru> To: "Laurie Mayhead" In-reply-to: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, UPPERCASE_25_50,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello LF-fans! I like the following algorithm more: QRSS - QRSS ------------ 1) CQ G3AQC K 2) G3AQC RU6LA K 3) RU6LA O AQC K (or RU6LA O G3AQC K if no correct G3AQC call) 4) AQC O RO ("Roger O") LA K (or AQC OR LA K ??) 5) LA RO AQC SK (or better LA R AQC EE ??) 6) LA SK (or LA EE ??) QRSS - CW (X-band also) ----------------------- The CW-station will carry out traditional CW-CW QSO, but the report gives O, M or T 1) CQ G3AQC K 2)....... 3) RU6LA S7 ("Strength 7") AQC K 4)....... 5)LA RO AQC SK (or LA R AQC EE ??) 6)....... (I had a some QSOs with UA and all have understood, that I have given them RST 579 ;-)) Can be on very slow QRSS (30-120s dot and on sked): --------------------------------------------------- 1) G3AQC K 2) AQC RU6LA K (in CW - traditional) 3) LA O K (in CW - LA S7 K) 4) AQC OR("Report O" & "Roger Report") K (in CW traditional) 5) LA R EE 6) LA EE I believe, that "Readability" it is better to not use (R - "Readability" or "Roger"??) 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13477 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 16:27:26 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 16:27:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 8692 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 16:27:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 16:27:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OKYH-0004AK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:26:37 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OKYG-0004AB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:26:36 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18OKY6-0000o8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:26:26 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OKXw-000730-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:26:16 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217161343.00ae2a38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:24:57 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <006c01c2a5e4$900b9580$e6e4fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: System Resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Mal, LF Group, At 13:01 17/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >....Please separate System R and actual Earth R ... It would certainly make life easier. Please tell us how this separation is to be accomplished... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32446 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 15:55:48 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 15:55:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 2193 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 15:55:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 15:55:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OK3N-0003zp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:54:41 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OK3N-0003zg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:54:41 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.230]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021217155440.DLSH19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: <006c01c2a5e4$900b9580$e6e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:01:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: System Resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
 
After reading and studying all the mail about Earth resistance etc, My conclusion is that there is confusion about Earth resistance and System resistance.
Some reports are misleading because they are talking about System loss ie dirty and wet insulators and contaminated rain water on the antenna wire, causing fluctuations in the RF current indicated.
then they state that this is caused by Earth resistance increasing when it rains or snows.
Please separate System R and actual Earth R and you should find when it rains or snows that the Earth R has gone down if not you have something seriously wrong, like you could be sitting on top of a Volcano !!!!!!!!!!!  We also know that a salt water lake is better than a fresh water one but any water below your antenna is better than none at all.
I suppose when I get time, I could divert the local river across my field and let you know what happens !!
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1707 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 14:40:38 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 14:40:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6876 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 14:40:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 14:40:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OIt0-0003cx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:39:54 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.34] (helo=imo-d02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OIt0-0003cP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:39:54 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.1a4.dbf947d (16930) for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.dbf947d.2b309115@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:39:17 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Earth resistance messages now exceeding offers to extend parts of my anatomy and refinance my house........now apx 1 per hour.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18650 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 14:38:31 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 14:38:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24119 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 14:38:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 14:38:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OIqi-0003bi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:37:32 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.225] (helo=murphys.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OIqi-0003bZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:37:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 23009 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 14:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hugh) (62.60.120.51) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 14:36:58 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c2a5d9$49b6d3c0$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217141612.02c7cbc8@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:33:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Rik, If one uses the four probe method of measuring ground resistivity, the problem of contact resistance with the ground is overcome. Current is injected into the soil through the outer two electrodes, and a voltage is measured between the inner two electrodes. Use a constant current source on the outer two probes, and a high impedance voltmeter on the inner pair. You have to use a.c. because otherwise you get electrolytic effects. If there is a poor connection the voltage on the constant current source rises to force the same current through the soil. There is no volt-drop at the voltage probes because there is negligible current here. There are a variety of different arrangements of probes advocated for different purposes, but basically the wider the spacing the deeper the current flows in the soil. There is a diagram, and the equation to calculate the resistivity at this location: http://www.mines.edu/fs_home/tboyd/GP311/MODULES/RES/NOTES/2estres.html Commercial equipment for measuring this (the sort of thing you see on time team) uses about 1mA of current, and a frequency between 50 and 200 Hz that avoids mains harmonics (I seem to have used 132Hz in my design). Sometimes this sort of activity is called "geophys" - but I think if one uses mains for the current source, one should call it "Geofizz" ! 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE > At 09:50 17/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > >Has anyone measured earth resistance alone under different conditions? If I > >recall correctly, this can be done with three earth stakes and Kirchoff's > >laws. > > > >Mike, G3XDV > > I am wondering about that for years now. > Apart from the fact that the measurement will be frequency dependent I > would expect that it also depends on how deep the stakes are driven into > the soil (maybe unless you have a uniform soil). > Anyone ever tried this (with or without success) at frequencies of 136kHz > (or 180kHz) ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13132 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 14:21:23 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 14:21:23 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 19799 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 14:21:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 14:21:22 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OIaB-0003Vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:27 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OIaB-0003Vp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:27 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18OIa4-0006QU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:20 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18OIZt-00055f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:09 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217140941.029d9210@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:07 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <004901c2a533$ab9fd8d0$0700000a@parissn2> References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <3DFDE74B.7725145F@diolog.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Stewart, LF Group, At 19:48 16/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: >However, I believe that HBG 75 could serve as a "pilot" carrier. In order to serve as a pilot carrier in this way, the signal from HBG would have to be subject to exactly the same propagation effects and noise levels as G3AQC - but since these two stations are operating in different locations, on different frequencies, is it likely that this is actually the case? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11118 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 13:57:04 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 13:57:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 24576 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 13:57:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 13:57:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OICw-0003Ne-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:56:26 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OICv-0003NV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:56:25 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18OICu-0003LV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:56:24 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2a5d4$35f20b20$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217112756.02a24720@POP3.freeler.nl> <001801c2a5c9$533c5e70$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:57:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_COMMENT_UNIQUE_ID, MAILTO_LINK,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Ralph
 
You'd have to use an isolating transformer here because one side of our mains is earthed. Sounds exciting though, I remember testing my earth system when I was a lad, by connecting the live side of the mains to it via an electric fire and seeing how bright it glowed! (not the earth - the fire...)
 
Dave G3YXM
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Lane
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE

Sorry about that. Here is the test of my message:
 
Ralph
 

"Ground Conductivity Test" is from the ARRL Antenna Handbook...

The book I have is from 1994....and it is on page 27-35 that's chapter 27 page 35........

Conductivity Soil, Measurement of....

It takes 4 rods.......9/16" diameter and 14 inches long these 4 rods are driven into the ground 18 inches apart in a straight line......drive them in 12 inches...

One side of the 120 AC line to a 100 watt light bulb...the other side of the bulb to a 14.6 ohm resistor.........they say to make up the resistor by paralleling 5 of them...3 of which are 68 ohm 1 watt....the other 2 are 82 ohm 1 watt......then the other end of the resistor goes to rod #1 .......the other side of the AC line goes to the farthest rod.....

You now have two AC voltage test points......V1 is across the resistor. V2 is voltage measured between rods #2 and #3.....

In general these two voltages they say should be from 2 to 10 volts......

Formula for calculation is......

C = 21 x V1/V2
 

This gives you the Millisiemens per meter

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE

To All from PA0SE

Mike, G3XDV, wrote:

I think this is why people are confused. I believe that Dick measured
"system loss", which includes all losses except inductor loss. Calling it
"earth resistance" simplifies the situation too much. Plainly a wet
environment will increase leakages.

I indeed measured the total resistance of the aerial system (minus the coil loss) as I have explained in my e-mail. I agree with Mike that "system loss" would have been a better expression than "earth resistance".  


Has anyone measured earth resistance alone under different conditions? If I
recall correctly, this can be done with three earth stakes and Kirchoff's
laws.


Indeed, but it usually done at 50Hz. To be meaningful at LF the measurement should be performed at an LF frequency. But I'm afraid that will not be so simple.

73, Dick, PA0SE


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3507 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 13:13:58 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 13:13:58 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 1375 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 13:13:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 13:13:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OHXA-0003CT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:13:16 +0000 Received: from [134.58.10.57] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OHXA-0003CE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:13:16 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gBHDCj2L051220 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:12:45 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217141612.02c7cbc8@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:19:39 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <003901c2a5b1$cd847680$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 09:50 17/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Has anyone measured earth resistance alone under different conditions? If I >recall correctly, this can be done with three earth stakes and Kirchoff's >laws. > >Mike, G3XDV I am wondering about that for years now. Apart from the fact that the measurement will be frequency dependent I would expect that it also depends on how deep the stakes are driven into the soil (maybe unless you have a uniform soil). Anyone ever tried this (with or without success) at frequencies of 136kHz (or 180kHz) ? 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25409 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 12:41:52 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 12:41:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8156 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 12:41:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 12:41:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OH2W-0002yZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:41:36 +0000 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OH2V-0002y4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:41:35 +0000 Received: from yourw92p4bhlzg (pcp02064100pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.83.215.165]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7900JDVKHK0S@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:39:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:39:22 -0500 From: "Ralph Lane" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <001801c2a5c9$533c5e70$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217112756.02a24720@POP3.freeler.nl> Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, HTML_COMMENT_UNIQUE_ID,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Sorry about that. Here is the test of my message:
 
Ralph
 

"Ground Conductivity Test" is from the ARRL Antenna Handbook...

The book I have is from 1994....and it is on page 27-35 that's chapter 27 page 35........

Conductivity Soil, Measurement of....

It takes 4 rods.......9/16" diameter and 14 inches long these 4 rods are driven into the ground 18 inches apart in a straight line......drive them in 12 inches...

One side of the 120 AC line to a 100 watt light bulb...the other side of the bulb to a 14.6 ohm resistor.........they say to make up the resistor by paralleling 5 of them...3 of which are 68 ohm 1 watt....the other 2 are 82 ohm 1 watt......then the other end of the resistor goes to rod #1 .......the other side of the AC line goes to the farthest rod.....

You now have two AC voltage test points......V1 is across the resistor. V2 is voltage measured between rods #2 and #3.....

In general these two voltages they say should be from 2 to 10 volts......

Formula for calculation is......

C = 21 x V1/V2
 

This gives you the Millisiemens per meter

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE

To All from PA0SE

Mike, G3XDV, wrote:

I think this is why people are confused. I believe that Dick measured
"system loss", which includes all losses except inductor loss. Calling it
"earth resistance" simplifies the situation too much. Plainly a wet
environment will increase leakages.

I indeed measured the total resistance of the aerial system (minus the coil loss) as I have explained in my e-mail. I agree with Mike that "system loss" would have been a better expression than "earth resistance".  


Has anyone measured earth resistance alone under different conditions? If I
recall correctly, this can be done with three earth stakes and Kirchoff's
laws.


Indeed, but it usually done at 50Hz. To be meaningful at LF the measurement should be performed at an LF frequency. But I'm afraid that will not be so simple.

73, Dick, PA0SE


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29503 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 12:39:19 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 12:39:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 4246 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 12:39:19 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 12:39:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OGzr-0002wK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:38:51 +0000 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OGzq-0002wB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:38:50 +0000 Received: from yourw92p4bhlzg (pcp02064100pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.83.215.165]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7900BFNKCFE3@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:36:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:36:17 -0500 From: "Ralph Lane" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <000b01c2a5c8$e50f69b0$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217112756.02a24720@POP3.freeler.nl> Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,MAILTO_LINK, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Here is the method used to measure ground conductivity as suggested by ARRL. In our case, use RF rather than 60 hz.
 
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE

To All from PA0SE

Mike, G3XDV, wrote:

I think this is why people are confused. I believe that Dick measured
"system loss", which includes all losses except inductor loss. Calling it
"earth resistance" simplifies the situation too much. Plainly a wet
environment will increase leakages.

I indeed measured the total resistance of the aerial system (minus the coil loss) as I have explained in my e-mail. I agree with Mike that "system loss" would have been a better expression than "earth resistance".  


Has anyone measured earth resistance alone under different conditions? If I
recall correctly, this can be done with three earth stakes and Kirchoff's
laws.


Indeed, but it usually done at 50Hz. To be meaningful at LF the measurement should be performed at an LF frequency. But I'm afraid that will not be so simple.

73, Dick, PA0SE


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31011 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 12:16:18 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 12:16:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19019 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 12:16:17 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 12:16:17 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OGaL-0002nS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:12:29 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OGaK-0002nJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:12:28 +0000 Received: from [80.40.93.29] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18OGQ0-0000qb-00; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:01:49 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:12:06 -0000 Message-ID: <01C2A5C5.83F0C550.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Clive.Kidd@dstl.gov.uk Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:12:01 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Coil Losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group To add to the confusion a little. Has anyone noticed the change in coil (or loop) Q that is going to occur over temperature ? By my reckonning, over the temperature reange 0 deg to 40 deg (in a shed in a hot summer) the DC copper resistance will go up by 16%. (temperature coefficient of Cu at 20 deg = 0.0039, delta R = 1.0039 ^ 40) Assuming RF loss is only related to skin depth, and this changes as the square root of resistivity that suggests coil Q could to be 8% higher on cold winter days. I know coil losses are usually swamped by ground losses, but it may just be observable by loop owners. Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4486 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 10:32:33 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 10:32:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 25790 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 10:32:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 10:32:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OF0R-0002UD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:31:19 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.56] (helo=cmailENV4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OF0Q-0002U4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:31:18 +0000 Received: from [62.21.150.69] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18OF0P-0002IZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:31:18 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217112756.02a24720@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:35:18 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <003901c2a5b1$cd847680$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Mike, G3XDV, wrote:

I think this is why people are confused. I believe that Dick measured
"system loss", which includes all losses except inductor loss. Calling it
"earth resistance" simplifies the situation too much. Plainly a wet
environment will increase leakages.

I indeed measured the total resistance of the aerial system (minus the coil loss) as I have explained in my e-mail. I agree with Mike that "system loss" would have been a better expression than "earth resistance".  


Has anyone measured earth resistance alone under different conditions? If I
recall correctly, this can be done with three earth stakes and Kirchoff's
laws.


Indeed, but it usually done at 50Hz. To be meaningful at LF the measurement should be performed at an LF frequency. But I'm afraid that will not be so simple.

73, Dick, PA0SE


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31683 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 09:52:50 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 09:52:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 21751 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 09:52:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 09:52:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OEOv-0002H5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:52:33 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.221] (helo=netmail02.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OEOq-0002Gq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:52:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 29318 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 09:51:56 -0000 Received: from modem-251-56-60-62.vip.uk.com (HELO hugh) (62.60.56.251) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 09:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <003201c2a5b1$75af1c80$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:46:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Dick and All at LF,
I haven't tried using a can of worms as a ground connection, I prefer lengths of scrap copper water pipe linked together by thick copper wire :o)
 
But I would like to echo Gary's thanks to all those who offered an answer to the "dumb question". I spent an happy Sunday afternoon reading all the Emails and trawling the suggested web sites, and have set about building a bridge, like Dick's, to measure my own feedpoint impedance.
 
Most of the "conventional wisdom" on making an earth connection advocates things like watering your earth rods and making perforations in tubes and otherwise trying to wet the ground around them, but it seems like this may not be quite the whole story.
 
Having spent last summer trying to locate a medieval manor house using ground resistance survey techniques it comes as no surprise that things are not straight forward ! 
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: G4WGT
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: RE: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance

 
Hi Dick & All at LF,
 
Looks like Hugh & I have really started something ??  "Opened a can of worms"  I think is the saying  !!
 
Thank you to you all for your responses, explanations & comments etc. It is very helpful & very interesting.
 
 
73
 
Gary     G4WGT.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19773 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 09:50:56 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 09:50:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 18135 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 09:50:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 09:50:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OEMm-0002GF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:50:20 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OEMh-0002G6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:50:15 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021217095015.NCCM14589.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:50:15 +0000 Message-ID: <003901c2a5b1$cd847680$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:50:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Realy he had mesure earth resistance plus enviroment loss resistance. > Also leak in isolators also yelds a loss. > 73 de RA9MB/Alex I think this is why people are confused. I believe that Dick measured "system loss", which includes all losses except inductor loss. Calling it "earth resistance" simplifies the situation too much. Plainly a wet environment will increase leakages. Has anyone measured earth resistance alone under different conditions? If I recall correctly, this can be done with three earth stakes and Kirchoff's laws. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10375 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 09:17:24 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 09:17:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 25688 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 09:17:23 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 09:17:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ODqD-00027x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:16:41 +0000 Received: from [134.58.10.57] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ODqC-00027k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:16:41 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gBH9GA2L046204 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:16:10 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021217100917.02c8a5b0@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:23:02 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <009401c2a530$ef52f600$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 18:27 16/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:
   Hi all
Dick has indicated that Earth Resistance gets higher when the ground is wet. That seems strange and contrary to accepted theory. The ideal ground plane for a vertical is on a wet plain or preferably positioned in the middle of a lake or in the middle of the Ocean. Have I missed something and read his observation incorrectly.
de Mal/G3KEV
 

In many cases wet soil will conduct better than dry soil, but not alway.
As the water in the soil dissolves the salts conductivitity will increase, bit once (almost) everything is dissolved more water will make the solution "thinner" and thus decrease conductivity.
Could it be that in places with a "natural" low soil loss (so most salt already dissolved) rain will increase the loss while with poor soil it will decrease ?
By the way, an antenna in the middle of a sweet water lake might not work very well as sweet water is a rather poor conductor, in contradiction to salt water.
Another thing I observed : during rainfall the loss resistance increases and only starts sinking a few hours (or even days) after the rain stops :
day 1 (dry) : 115 Ohm
day 2-3 (heavy rain) : gradual increase to 130 Ohm
day 4-5 (dry) : gradual decrease to 95 Ohm
day 6-10 (dry) : gradual increase to 115 Ohm
I believe that the first increase is caused by the wet greenery, after the greenery dries up (but soil is still wet) the decrease starts and after the soil dries up I am back to start.

73, Rik  ON7YD
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4474 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 07:38:03 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 07:38:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27564 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 07:38:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 07:38:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18OCHq-0001qO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:37:06 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18OCHl-0001qF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:37:01 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.94.6]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021217073700.UNIG15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:37:00 +0000 Message-ID: <004601c2a59f$98b86680$065e89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009401c2a530$ef52f600$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:40:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: hamilton mal To: Sent: 16 December 2002 18:27 Subject: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Hi all Dick has indicated that Earth Resistance gets higher when the ground is wet. That seems strange and contrary to accepted theory............ ----------------------- Just a thought - pure water is an insulator. Part of the ground resistance will be made up of salts dissolved in the moisture in the ground. If you add rain water, which is probably more pure than the salt solution in the soil, does the soil solution get weaker and a become poorer conductor? Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25854 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 03:17:28 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 03:17:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16451 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 03:17:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 03:17:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O8ED-00018F-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:17:05 +0000 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O8EC-000186-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:17:04 +0000 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu01.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.113]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA3dfe96815f16 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:14:09 +0600 (OS) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:14:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Some addition: On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > Realy he had mesure earth resistance plus enviroment loss resistance. > Also leak in isolators also yelds a loss. Enviroment loss can became > grater when dielectric enviroment (say dry wood) is wet. And wet > isolators in antenna wire sure yelds losses in oposite to the case when > they are dry. > > Wet soil itself sure yelds decreasing of the losses. Say if it is not > a dielectric but a conductor (may be sometimes it is a good > dielectric (???) in very spesial case...). If one use a small loop, it seems rain usualy should brings an increasing of a loss. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10395 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 03:09:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 03:09:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12762 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 03:09:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 03:09:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O839-000123-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:05:39 +0000 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O837-00011u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:05:38 +0000 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu03.dialup1.infomsk.ru [212.164.45.195]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA3dfe941a5d9e for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:03:54 +0600 (OS) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:04:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <009401c2a530$ef52f600$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Mal and Group. On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, hamilton mal wrote: > Dick has indicated that Earth Resistance gets higher when the ground is >wet. That seems strange and contrary to accepted theory. Realy he had mesure earth resistance plus enviroment loss resistance. Also leak in isolators also yelds a loss. Enviroment loss can became grater when dielectric enviroment (say dry wood) is wet. And wet isolators in antenna wire sure yelds losses in oposite to the case when they are dry. Wet soil itself sure yelds decreasing of the losses. Say if it is not a dielectric but a conductor (may be sometimes it is a good dielectric (???) in very spesial case...). 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28775 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 01:29:25 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 01:29:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 11339 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 01:29:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 01:29:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O6Wg-0000e3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:28:02 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O6Wg-0000ck-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:28:02 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 19558484 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c2a56b$793511c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3DFE71F8.1060408@usa.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:27:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU Jason transmission Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I've given up on 137 and 72 kHz for the night. Very noisy here, with a storm just off the coast. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5878 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 00:38:47 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 00:38:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 15967 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Dec 2002 00:38:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 00:38:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O5kZ-0000QK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:38:19 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.2] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O5kY-0000QB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:38:18 +0000 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 00:38:16 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.165.243] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 930gLqaMN0050M30; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:38:13 GMT Message-ID: <3DFE71F8.1060408@usa.net> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 01:38:16 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: M0BMU Jason transmission Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090405080509090600010404" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090405080509090600010404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Copied Jim's Jason transmission, there was a lot of QSB.
Signal wasn't ever audible, this is a capture of a fairly good moment.



Antenna was the 20m trapped dipole.....

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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The maximum antenna current is 3 amps and that is after I have > adjusted to matching transformer to try and compensate for chang in losses. > Furthermore the current variation over the 24 hour period is not apparent. At the moment I am transmitting on 72.4kHz (0020 Tuesday). It is drizzling and the humidity is high. The antenna current started off at 3 amps and has now climbed up to 4amps. I am not sure if this is due to some drying out effect of the coil or the rising tide. I will make a similar test in the morning when the tide will be out. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17565 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 23:50:33 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 23:50:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 10819 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 23:50:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 23:50:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O4zL-0000Ag-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:49:31 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.22] (helo=dc-mx12.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O4zL-0000AS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:49:31 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx12.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 56448292 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c2a55d$b599eae0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145628.00a2ba10@POP3.freeler.nl> <5.1.0.14.0.20021216171644.00b17650@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <000001c2a555$0cfff760$47d0fc3e@ian> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:49:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re:Jason signals tonite Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I've been watching for Jim's Jason signal on 137.5 since 2300 - just babbling so far. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31652 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 23:04:25 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 23:04:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 9974 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 23:04:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 23:04:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O4HA-0008Qn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:03:52 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O4HA-0008Qe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:03:52 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-18.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.18] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O4H9-000Apc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:03:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c2a557$a3107de0$12ce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003501c2a54e$f83bdca0$d77c7ad5@main> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:04:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I had reported earlier that my antenna current varies considerably for reasons that I don't understand. Last week, during a session of 73kHz T/A tests the weather was very cold and dry with a moderate north east wind. During that period the antenna current varied in a cyclic manner over a 24hour period from 3.9amps to 5amps!. During the periods of high current the power supply current meter indicated that the transmitter was using more power. The weather in the last few days has been very wet and the lawn is saturated. The maximum antenna current is 3 amps and that is after I have adjusted to matching transformer to try and compensate for chang in losses. Furthermore the current variation over the 24 hour period is not apparent. I am located about 400m from the beach. The ground comprises 3m of heavy clay over shingle. The periods of high current appear to coincide with high tides. Ground effects come in the black art category. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26354 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 22:47:15 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29163 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 22:47:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:47:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O40D-0008Jy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:46:21 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O40D-0008Jp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:46:21 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.208.71]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216224620.KCBI29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:46:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2a555$0cfff760$47d0fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145628.00a2ba10@POP3.freeler.nl> <5.1.0.14.0.20021216171644.00b17650@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:46:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re:Jason signals tonite Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Jim, lovely signals on 137.500 Jason at 2240z. Regret haven't doped out how to get TXing on Jason yet! 589 conventional. 73 de Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23538 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 22:23:37 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:23:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 6437 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 22:23:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:23:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O3dT-0008At-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:22:51 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O3dT-0008Ak-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:22:51 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-16.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.16] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O3dE-000FkU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:22:50 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c2a551$e769cd80$10ce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00c701c2a534$f8a2daa0$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:23:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Qso procedure Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group During my first cross-band QSO with VE1ZJ in September 2000 I was unsure what to send - in the end I sent all the call signs TNX and 73s - the lot. However conditions where good and with 3 second dots it didn't take too long. With 120s dots its a different matter. The procedure suggested by Mal seems the best to me and that TNX stuff, although being polite, is not essential. For cross-band contacts the HF report of 599 could be cut to 5N as the tone report is not relevant much these days. I also suggest that the QRSS report could be cut down to two OOs or MMs, unless one of the calls has this combination of letters. In the early LF T/A days it was very difficult to ge any idea what was happening or what was being experianced by the VE and W/K guys, hence the need for close cooperation on a two-way HF link. It was this mindset that caused me to look for a way of switching my antenna LF antenna from LF to 80 or 40m. However, with all the detailed and fast feedback from John and Dexter the ability just to listen on HF is good enough. I can hear Ws and VEs on 40m at the moment with my minibeam connected to to 850 via an ATU. I can transmit on 72.4003 tonight for a couple of hours if this is of any interest. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20111 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 22:04:52 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:04:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 17037 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 22:04:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 22:04:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O3LS-00084Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:04:14 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O3LS-00084Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:04:14 +0000 Received: from host213-122-124-215.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.124.215] helo=main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18O3LQ-0006Af-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:04:13 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c2a54e$f83bdca0$d77c7ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:55:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Gary and all, no cans of worms....we are all just trying to understand what is happening with our non-commercial sized aerials .....and trying to avoid any of the old wives tales. It is interesting that Laurie lives in Bosham. Look at his QTH on the map and you would not believe he has trouble with ground resistance. However Laurie has fought hard and long to get the loss resistance down. Finbar lives alongside a sea-water bay, and he has to do considerably more than just shoving a spike in the ground. Most perople assume that seawater is a good conductor, it is better than land, but it is not that good otherwise LF radio waves would not penetrate it to be used by subs. It is a very complex problem and I would be glad for anyone to explain the test results we have measured. I have yet to do the experiment of playing the hosepipe on the ground under the aerial on an otherwise dry day to see what difference it makes. The other problem is that my tap-water is almost saturated with calcium carbonate so not as low a resistivity as rain-water. ( I am also metered and mean....but we wont talk about that ) There is an interesting reprint in the back of the newer LF Experimenter' Handbook written by a German engineer about experiments at Nauen in 1922. I think a lot of his results are pertinent to this question but he does not hazard an explanation beyong the equivalent circuit with a lossy capacitor.!! I said he was an engineer !! I am about to return to Watt's VLF Engineering to see what can be gleaned from the extensive chapter on earthing there. Also there is a book by Sunde which is devoted to earthing, but more from the point of line transmission. Most Garden Centres will sell you a soil moisture meter where the resistance drops with increasing "wetness" ....these dont operate at 136kHz , unfortunately. Great fun, and highly important as ground loss is the biggest of our problems, half the ground loss, and you double the aerial current and quadruple the ERP......and the worms dont get quite so much "central heating". Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26004 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 21:33:11 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 21:33:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11693 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 21:33:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 21:33:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O2qr-0007ui-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:32:37 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.98] (helo=imo-r02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O2qq-0007uZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.16e.18a89c06 (3964) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.18a89c06.2b2fa051@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:32:01 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group In a message dated 12/16/02 1:30:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes: << Dick has indicated that Earth Resistance gets higher when the ground is wet. That seems strange and contrary to accepted theory. The ideal ground plane for a vertical is on a wet plain or preferably positioned in the middle of a lake or in the middle of the Ocean. Have I missed something and read his observation incorrectly. >> I think both points of view are correct, but under differing prevailing conditions. The type of soil may make a great difference in whether moisture enhances or degrades radiated signal. Where I live now, the soil seems to experience increased dielectric loss when wet; whereas, in other locations, I found the opposite to be true. Because of the greater skin depth of the earth as the wavelength increases, I would expect the effect to be more pronounced at LF than MF or HF. Dick's data may be partial supporting evidence that this is so; in which case, it's even possible that some soils will be better at MF when wet, and better at LF when dry. Sounds like a fertile field for investigation (no pun intended). As for bodies of water, a freshwater lake turns out not to be as good a location for a ground plane as I once thought. I have tried this approach at LF and MF at a few very different locations, always with less signal than expected. Seawater is quite a different matter! At MF, especially, it does truly wonderful things for signals. Along with our fleet of VHF FM public broadcast stations, I oversee one small mediumwave station on the Georgia coast which is less than listenable more than about 20 miles inland. However, it has a coastal coverage range from St Augustine, Florida, to Hilton Head, South Carolina. (In fact, do we have any readers in Bermuda? If so, I invite you to give a listen on 1190kHz.) John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8587 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 21:22:57 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 21:22:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 24734 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 21:22:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 21:22:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O2gk-0007os-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:22:10 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.172] (helo=cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O2gk-0007oj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:22:10 +0000 Received: from modem-11.aerandir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.98.11] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18O2gj-0008TS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:22:09 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c2a54a$6b509000$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:29:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Wow,I certainly got a good response to that one including a lecture from Mal. I agree that R means recieved but it also means readability in "rst" , actually I don't think there is any confusion in my suggested use I agree that full call signs should be exchanged at least once, so line 3 should read W4DEX R5 K. Thanks for the responses, 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15957 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 19:59:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 19:59:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18259 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 19:59:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 19:59:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O1Nq-0007W5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:58:34 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.35] (helo=imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O1Np-0007Vw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:58:34 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.155.18f575e7 (4410) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <155.18f575e7.2b2f8a45@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:57:57 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit John,
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Rgds Wlf DYHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2303 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:58:22 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:58:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 2968 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 18:58:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:58:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O0Qy-0007DR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:57:44 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O0Qy-0007DH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:57:44 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.229.2]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216185743.EOMI29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:57:43 +0000 Message-ID: <00c701c2a534$f8a2daa0$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:57:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Qso procedure Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Current procedure on HF at used by dx stations
 
DX Station    on 21007 khz                                           CQ ZW6XX  up 4
 
Reply          on 21011 khz                                            G3KEV
 
DX Station                                                                   G3KEV 599
 
Reply          599 tu gl
 
That is all that is required and this qso counts for a qsl card and any awards claimed.
 
 
The same can be applied to LF except use RR instead of rst on QRS mode. The HF end is on normal cw and can use normal hf procedure to confirm that you are being copied RST, OOO or RRR
(plus 73 GL, TU or TKS etc- which is not necessary anyway) what is all the argument about, TKS or TU  sent by the qrs station is not necessary and only wastes time if others are waiting.
Common sense seems to be scarce on LF
G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16337 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:55:01 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:55:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3117 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:54:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:54:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O0Nr-0007A0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:54:31 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.23] (helo=bodum.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O0Nr-00079r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:54:31 +0000 Received: from [213.40.200.168] (helo=tcs1) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18O0NL-0005F3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:53:59 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:55:12 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216174825.0257d6a0@POP3.freeler.nl> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Hi Dick & All at LF,
 
Looks like Hugh & I have really started something ??  "Opened a can of worms"  I think is the saying  !!
 
Thank you to you all for your responses, explanations & comments etc. It is very helpful & very interesting.
 
 
73
 
Gary     G4WGT.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14812 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:47:58 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:47:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27374 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:47:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:47:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18O0H1-00076n-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:47:27 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18O0H1-00076e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:47:27 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b4) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:47:25 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c2a533$ab9fd8d0$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <3DFDE74B.7725145F@diolog.de> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:48:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, I believe that you have all the elements here to make a system that can work at "any" SNR, i.e. a QSO could be completed even when propagation is poor, it would just take longer. The basic idea is that Laurie transmits a message at fairly high speed, e.g. so that it takes only a minute to send. The same message is repeated every minute, and Dex (or John) has software which sums the received signals until the message is readable. Dex then sends his reply (over a reliable and speedy HF channel), which tells Laurie (who can receive HF while sending LF) to start sending the next message, or thanks him for the completed QSO. Dex resets his integrated message, and starts accumulating the next one. The above system is, of course, impractical, because the S/N of the integrated message only improves as the square root of the number of transmissions. The QSO could take months. Worse, when propagation is poor, or noise levels are high, the received garbage degrades the sum, and many episodes of good propagation are needed to recover. It could take centuries :) However, I believe that HBG 75 could serve as a "pilot" carrier. Laurie would transmit on a very accurately known frequency, e.g. by locking to GPS or LORAN, or by using a Rubidium oscillator. Dex, using a receive filter which accommodates both HBG and G3AQC, has software which measures the apparent phase of HBG, and uses that angle to (quadrature) demodulate G3AQC. The integrated S/N now improves linearly with time (under constant propagation). As a further refinement, the amplitude of the received HBG and the noise level are factored in, so that high quality minutes are weighted more heavily. The result should be nearly full utilization of the channel, as if Laurie were always sending at a speed appropriate to the current conditions. Mal noted "No QSO should be valid if contact is lost and then the next day or days later one continues with parts of the callsign that were missed at the first attempt." One feature of this scheme is that contact is never "lost". The received picture always keeps getting sharper, albeit very slowly when the signal is weak. The above could, in theory, be adapted to almost any signaling format, CW, DFCW, Jason, etc. 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9486 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:29:32 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 4404 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:29:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:29:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nzyz-0006vz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:28:49 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nzyt-0006vq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:28:44 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.235]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216182842.ROJQ21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:28:42 +0000 Message-ID: <009301c2a530$eb4b7780$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:23:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: xband qso Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I use a separate antennas for both LF and HF therefore when I work xband the HF station can break in anytime and let me know how the LF signal is progressing, in fact I am working Duplex.
This method avoids long transmission only to find out some hours later that the signal faded out and it needs to be repeated. This method worked FB for me last year, fortunately my signal did not fade out and I had solid copy on 7025 khz normal cw. I find 7 mhz more suitable during the late evening and night time across the pond,  solid signals, whereas 14 mhz is too variable at this time of year. 
I use a 2 ele quad on 7 and 14 mhz beaming to N.America for this exercise and the vertical system on LF.
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25532 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:29:31 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:29:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 27229 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 18:29:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:29:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nzz0-0006wC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:28:50 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nzz0-0006w3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:28:50 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.235]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216182849.ROLU21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:28:49 +0000 Message-ID: <009401c2a530$ef52f600$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:27:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: EARTH RESISTANCE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
   Hi all
Dick has indicated that Earth Resistance gets higher when the ground is wet. That seems strange and contrary to accepted theory. The ideal ground plane for a vertical is on a wet plain or preferably positioned in the middle of a lake or in the middle of the Ocean. Have I missed something and read his observation incorrectly.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11217 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:18:03 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:18:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 29718 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 17:17:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:17:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NyrP-0006Qu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:16:55 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NyrP-0006Qa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:16:55 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:21 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:22 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.91]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:21 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-212.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:21 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:16:20 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368FE2@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Re: QSO format Thread-Index: AcKlJn6iyTlRaFhPQcSs5waDweQFNwAADSWg From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 17:16:21.0917 (UTC) FILETIME=[DADECCD0:01C2A526] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: SV: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group it depends on your fingers, "tnx" is usually easier to send without wrong letters than TU and TKS for operators like me 73 LA8AK --- J M Nøding, Datakvalitet, Kristiansand (Baneheia) http://tts.telenor.no/orginfo.html?filterstructureid=13&parent=86&treetopid=86 Telefon 380-52660, 9077-7126 -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Fabian Kurz [mailto:fk@diolog.de] Sendt: 16. desember 2002 15:47 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: Re: LF: Re: QSO format > > On a general point about QRSS procedures, I still see 'TNX' or 'TKS' being > sent, 'TU' is much shorter. Also do we need to send the very long '73'? The "TKS" and "73" is sent by W4DEX on 40m; I guess that will be in normal speed and not QRSS ? :) 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9894 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:16:57 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:16:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 6476 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 17:16:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:16:16 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nyps-0006PZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:15:20 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nyps-0006PO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:15:20 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Nypm-0006yL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:15:14 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Nypj-00074w-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:15:11 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216162402.00ae63d0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:15:07 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <002301c2a517$e080e650$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213133819.00ac0c30@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Ralph, Dick, LF Group, At 10:29 16/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Dick, conventional wisdom says that the soil resistance becomes lower as >the soil becomes wetter. However your measurements indicate the antenna >ground loss becomes greater with increased wetness. Perhaps there is >another coupling mechanism here. For example, if one had a loop antenna >suspended in free space, would the ground loss resistance become zero? > The resistivity of the soil may well become lower as it gets wetter - but the bulk resistance of the soil is only one of many factors contributing to the loss resistance of the antenna. In "professional" LF antennas, so the text books say, loss resistance is predominantly due to resistive losses in the ground connection - but in the case of amateur antennas it is different, since these are much higher impedance, have a shorter path for the ground return currents to flow and are much closer to the ground. Under these conditions, I think the dominant factor contributing to the loss resistance is dielectric loss due to the RF electric field around the antenna heating up the ground and buildings, trees etc around the antenna. This is supported by observations showing that loss resistance decreases with increasing frequency for most amateur verticals (with the same antenna current, the antenna voltage will decrease with frequency, leading to lower dielectric loss - you would expect it the other way round due to increasing skin effect if the resistance of the ground was the major contributor), and the fact that improvements to ground systems quickly reach a point of diminishing returns, where adding further rods, radials, counterpoises, etc. makes almost no difference to the loss resistance. Almost everyone using verticals seems to find that their antenna loss resistance goes up in wet conditions - I would imagine the same would be true to some extent with loops, with increasing conductivity resulting in larger eddy currents flowing in the ground, and so higher losses. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28815 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:07:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:07:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20034 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 18:07:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 18:07:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nzdy-0006pf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:07:06 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.35] (helo=imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nzdy-0006pQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:07:06 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.148.52a73fa (4410) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:06:31 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <148.52a73fa.2b2f7027@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:06:31 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >> For example, if one had a loop antenna suspended in free space, would the ground loss resistance become zero? If one has ANY kind of antenna suspended in free space, the ground loss becomes zero. [grin] This is why "miracle" antennas based on even the wackiest distortions of science seem to work if one models them under the right conditions. (Yes, I mean the CFA among others. Have you heard the current "theory" behind its operation? Maxwell had it all wrong, according to Dr Kabbary...antennas radiate because of energy vortexes, which only a genuine, authentic, patented Kabbary-tuned CFA can produce properly! So abandon all Marconis and loops, ye doomed experimenters, for thine antennas will simply cease to emit some fine morning....) 7 (in the spirit of hypercondensed QSO formats) John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26724 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:58:31 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:58:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18633 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:58:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:58:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NzR3-0006kh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:53:45 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.103] (helo=imo-r07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NzR0-0006kY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:53:42 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.f4.264f102e (4410) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:09 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:53:09 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group In a message dated 12/16/02 8:19:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, d.w.rollema@freeler.nl writes: << Thanks John for a perfect reproduction! >> You are most welcome. John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11336 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:21:18 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:21:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 10999 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 17:21:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:21:18 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NyvH-0006Um-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:20:55 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NyvH-0006Ud-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:20:55 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18NyuT-0007DG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:20:05 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18NyuR-000776-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:20:03 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216171644.00b17650@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:20:02 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <002001c2a46b$c479ae80$68255250@sckr.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145628.00a2ba10@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 21:52 15/12/2002 +0300, you wrote: >Any body can to help me and write about European QRSS beacons in 136 kc >band? >73! Your Vlad. RX3QFM (KO91oq). Dear Vlad, LF Group, I plan to run the Jason-mode beacon again tonight, between about 2200 and 0200 utc. Frequency 137.500kHz. Any reports will be very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7872 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:19:24 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:19:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 10755 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:19:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:19:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NytX-0006S2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:19:07 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.46] (helo=mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NytX-0006Rt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:19:07 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216171903.TECF20174.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:19:03 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c2a527$4f8c5660$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <3DFDE74B.7725145F@diolog.de> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:19:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > > On a general point about QRSS procedures, I still see 'TNX' or 'TKS' being > > sent, 'TU' is much shorter. Also do we need to send the very long '73'? > > The "TKS" and "73" is sent by W4DEX on 40m; I guess that will be in normal > speed and not QRSS ? :) > > 73, Fabian dj1yfk Yes, but I was talking about ordinary EU QRSS3 QSOs. Perhaps I should have put that in a separate e-mail. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6950 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:11:47 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 3324 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:11:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:11:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nyl0-0006Hb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:10:18 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.55] (helo=cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nykz-0006HS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:10:17 +0000 Received: from [62.21.130.224] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Nykv-00050V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:10:14 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216174825.0257d6a0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:00:59 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <002301c2a517$e080e650$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213133819.00ac0c30@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE,IN_REP_TO, MAILTO_LINK,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Ralph Lane wrote:


Dick, conventional wisdom says that the soil resistance becomes  lower as the soil becomes wetter. However your measurements indicate the antenna ground loss becomes greater with increased wetness. Perhaps there is another coupling mechanism here. For example, if one had a loop antenna suspended in free space, would the ground loss resistance become zero?
 
I am also surprised that wet ground results in higher earth resistance than dry ground. It is also remarkable that the resistance decreases when the wet ground is frozen.
I don't feel competent to offer an explanation.  Alan Melia has observed the same phenomena and he brought forward some ideas that I repeat here.

Hi all, Finbar EI0CF measured one of our spiral evolutions under several
different weather conditions. Finbar's site is right on the shore of
Trawbreager Bay so he has sea water close at hand. When we had increased
the top load the ground loss was ultimately reduced to about 20 ohms in
normal (dry) conditions. As one might expect when it was actually raining, a
high loss resistance was measured. (There would have been a water film over
the plastic coated wire used. ) This loss reduced immediately the rain
stopped, but the loss resistance still remained about twice the normal "dry"
value. Even long after the rain has ceased the loss stayed high whilst the
ground was still freshly wet. The measured loss did not return to normal for
about 24 hours afterwards.
I assume fresh rainwater has a high permittivity and also a high resistance.
Over time salts will disolve into the wet mass reducing its resistivity.
These measurements are still in my file as I had not yet decided how to
explain the results. However in view of "corroborating" evidence I will see
if I can pull then together. All measurements were done using a simple RF
bridge described on my web site.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia@btinternet.com
http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk

I think that a loop antenna, suspended over ground, will suffer less loss because its near field is mainly magnetic and I assume this results in smaller currents generated in the earth than an "electric" antenna will do.  But there are experts on loops on the reflector and they may care to give us their view.

73, Dick, PA0SE
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Rollema
To: LF-Group
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:39 AM
Subject: LF: Measuring earth resistance

To All from PA0SE

There were some requests for info on the way I measured the earth resistance of my aerial system.

In 1988 I made an impedance bridge with a noise source.  In the first version of this e-mail the circuit diagram was included but it did not pass the reflector. 
Most bridges of this type have a transformer between the noise amplifier and the bridge circuit. But I found it impossible to make the bridge frequency independent up to 30MHz. By putting the transformer between the bridge circuit and the detector I managed to make the readings reliable up to 30MHz.

For measuring earth resistance I connect the bridge between the bottom end of the loading coil and the earth connection, after disconnecting the transmitter from the coil.  The X-control is left at the zero position
The detector (receiver = "ontvanger " in Dutch) is tuned to 136.5kHz and the vacuum capacitor in parallel with the tuning coil and the R-control of the bridge tuned for minimum noise.  The minimum is so frequency-dependent that it becomes deeper as the bandwidth of the receiver is reduced!
The total resistance of the aerial system can then be read from the R-control. But for better accuracy I measure its value  with a digital multimeter.
From the value so found I subtract the loss resistance of the loading coil. What remains I call the earth resistance. Of course in that value are also included the radiation resistance and the resistance of the aerial and earth wire, But these quantities are negligible as compared to the earth resistance.

In the earth resistance will also be included losses in the aerial insulation and in the capacitance of the aerial to surrounding objects like trees (no trees in my case). But these losses are impossible to separate from the real earth resistance.

Measuring earth resistance at 50Hz has no meaning  for the loss at 136kHz because the earth resistance (impedance is more correct) is frequency dependent. At  low frequencies earth acts like a resistor, at high frequencies like a capacitor in parallel with a resistor.

I find the loss resistance of the loading coil with its tuning capacitor in parallel as follows.

I use my W & G signal generator and tracking selective voltmeter type PSM-5. The generator is connected to a one-turn loop that is positioned at some 35cm from the bottom end of the coil. An oscilloscope probe is connected to the level meter and hung near the top end of the coil. The aerial is replaced by a variable capacitor (broadcast receiver type). The PSM-5 is adjusted to 136500Hz and the variable capacitor tuned for maximum voltage over the coil and its value noted. The PSM-5 is then tuned higher and lower to the frequencies where the voltage over the coil has dropped to 0.707 (-3dB) of the maximum. The frequency difference between these two frequencies is B (I use a frequency counter to improve accuracy; B is rather small). This yields Q = 136.5/B (Q = 350 in my case).
The value C of the variable capacitor is then measured. This yields the reactance of the capacitor
X = 6.28 * f * C ohms.  Because there was resonance this is also the reactance of the loading coil in parallel with its tuning capacitor.
We now find for the loss resistance of the loading coil: R = X/Q.

My measurements support the findings by Alan Melia. The earth resistance is higher in winter than in summer and is maximum when the earth is soaked with water. When the water freezes the resistance goes down.

I hope this info is of some use.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27474 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:11:46 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:11:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8197 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 17:11:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 17:11:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NylO-0006Ho-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:10:42 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.200] (helo=moutvdom.kundenserver.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NylN-0006Hf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:10:41 +0000 Received: from [172.19.20.61] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NylN-0001zN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:10:41 +0100 Received: from [217.1.65.221] (helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NylM-0006VF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: <3DFDE74B.7725145F@diolog.de> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:46:35 +0000 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > > On a general point about QRSS procedures, I still see 'TNX' or 'TKS' being > sent, 'TU' is much shorter. Also do we need to send the very long '73'? The "TKS" and "73" is sent by W4DEX on 40m; I guess that will be in normal speed and not QRSS ? :) 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14911 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 11818 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 16:20:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 16:20:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nxyg-000666-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:20:22 +0000 Received: from [171.70.145.30] (helo=sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nxyg-00065s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:20:22 +0000 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [144.254.98.48]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gBGGJofm006588 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from virgin.net (lon-sto4-lan-vlan132-dhcp6.cisco.com [144.254.108.9]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03227 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:19:48 GMT Message-ID: <3DFDFCDC.50101@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:18:36 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C2A519.F6EE6820.g4jnt@thersgb.net> Subject: Re: LF: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ? sounds a bit long, all that you need is an otherwise unused letter with suitable hamming distance. How about 'U' Stewart G3YSX Andy talbot wrote: > I was going to say something similar. Both EME and Meteor Scatter make use of > rigidly defined QSO formats and R definitely means Roger/Received OK so you > need another symbol to request a repeat. How about ' ? ' > > Andy G4JNT > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RaySoifer@cs.com [SMTP:RaySoifer@cs.com] > Sent: 2002/12/16 13:23 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: QSO format > > Laurie, John et al, > > Since I'm not directly involved, I should probably keep my mouth shut, but > from experience in other forms of weak-signal work I might suggest reserving > "R" for "Roger" and just sending the signal report, whether "O", "5" or > whatever. If the receiving station would like the report repeated, how about > "?" rather than "R?" > > 73, > > Ray, W2RS > << File: ATT00003.htm >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18682 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 16:23:36 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 16:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16236 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 15:31:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:31:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NxD2-0005l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:31:08 +0000 Received: from [24.153.64.2] (helo=smtp.comcast.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NxD1-0005il-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:31:07 +0000 Received: from yourw92p4bhlzg (pcp02064100pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net [68.83.215.165]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.07 (built Nov 25 2002)) with SMTP id <0H7700DL0XOKN0@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:29:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:29:08 -0500 From: "Ralph Lane" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <002301c2a517$e080e650$0000a398@yourw92p4bhlzg> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213133819.00ac0c30@POP3.freeler.nl> Subject: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dick, conventional wisdom says that the soil resistance becomes  lower as the soil becomes wetter. However your measurements indicate the antenna ground loss becomes greater with increased wetness. Perhaps there is another coupling mechanism here. For example, if one had a loop antenna suspended in free space, would the ground loss resistance become zero?
 
Ralph Lane
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 7:39 AM
Subject: LF: Measuring earth resistance

To All from PA0SE

There were some requests for info on the way I measured the earth resistance of my aerial system.

In 1988 I made an impedance bridge with a noise source.  In the first version of this e-mail the circuit diagram was included but it did not pass the reflector. 
Most bridges of this type have a transformer between the noise amplifier and the bridge circuit. But I found it impossible to make the bridge frequency independent up to 30MHz. By putting the transformer between the bridge circuit and the detector I managed to make the readings reliable up to 30MHz.

For measuring earth resistance I connect the bridge between the bottom end of the loading coil and the earth connection, after disconnecting the transmitter from the coil.  The X-control is left at the zero position
The detector (receiver = "ontvanger " in Dutch) is tuned to 136.5kHz and the vacuum capacitor in parallel with the tuning coil and the R-control of the bridge tuned for minimum noise.  The minimum is so frequency-dependent that it becomes deeper as the bandwidth of the receiver is reduced!
The total resistance of the aerial system can then be read from the R-control. But for better accuracy I measure its value  with a digital multimeter.
From the value so found I subtract the loss resistance of the loading coil. What remains I call the earth resistance. Of course in that value are also included the radiation resistance and the resistance of the aerial and earth wire, But these quantities are negligible as compared to the earth resistance.

In the earth resistance will also be included losses in the aerial insulation and in the capacitance of the aerial to surrounding objects like trees (no trees in my case). But these losses are impossible to separate from the real earth resistance.

Measuring earth resistance at 50Hz has no meaning  for the loss at 136kHz because the earth resistance (impedance is more correct) is frequency dependent. At  low frequencies earth acts like a resistor, at high frequencies like a capacitor in parallel with a resistor.

I find the loss resistance of the loading coil with its tuning capacitor in parallel as follows.

I use my W & G signal generator and tracking selective voltmeter type PSM-5. The generator is connected to a one-turn loop that is positioned at some 35cm from the bottom end of the coil. An oscilloscope probe is connected to the level meter and hung near the top end of the coil. The aerial is replaced by a variable capacitor (broadcast receiver type). The PSM-5 is adjusted to 136500Hz and the variable capacitor tuned for maximum voltage over the coil and its value noted. The PSM-5 is then tuned higher and lower to the frequencies where the voltage over the coil has dropped to 0.707 (-3dB) of the maximum. The frequency difference between these two frequencies is B (I use a frequency counter to improve accuracy; B is rather small). This yields Q = 136.5/B (Q = 350 in my case).
The value C of the variable capacitor is then measured. This yields the reactance of the capacitor
X = 6.28 * f * C ohms.  Because there was resonance this is also the reactance of the loading coil in parallel with its tuning capacitor.
We now find for the loss resistance of the loading coil: R = X/Q.

My measurements support the findings by Alan Melia. The earth resistance is higher in winter than in summer and is maximum when the earth is soaked with water. When the water freezes the resistance goes down.

I hope this info is of some use.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20649 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 16:02:16 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 16:02:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 29592 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 16:03:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 16:03:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NxhS-0005yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:02:34 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NxhS-0005yk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:02:34 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.38]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216155852.RSPP21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:58:52 +0000 Message-ID: <004001c2a51b$fc318900$26cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:57:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF/HF QSO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    The basic criteria for a LF/HF xband QSO is that both callsigns must be heard or seen in full at the respective ends and not just bits and pieces and not over a number of days but during the same session.The session could take minutes or in the QRS context a few hours. No QSO should be valid if contact is lost and then the next day or days later one continues with parts of the callsign that were missed at the first attempt. 
Because of the QRS element taking so long to send a callsign then it would be permissible for the receiving HF station having seen only the callsign of the transmitting station in full to reply on HF at normal cw speed with callsign de callsign and give a report ie OOO then the LF transmitting station would reply with R OOO. The HF end would then send QSL 73 etc.
This is my suggestion for LF QRS 120/60/30 sec speed, at higher speeds more info could be sent by the LF station ie callsign de callsign.
IF there are a number of LF stations active there should not be any confusion because the HF end is going to call the callsign that he is hearing/seeing, have the xband qso and when finished call another that he can recognise. This is normal practice on HF dx working these days for those that do not know. The DX  station calls CQ on his freq and listens a few khz up normally for replies, there are hundreds calling at times using only their callsign, the DX station selects one at a time and gives a report, the recipient then sends a report and signs off, the DX station then continues with the next that he wants to work.
To convince those interested that a proper QSO did take place then a gram shot of the LF end taken by the HF station would be an advantage.
During last winter all my xband QSO'S on 136 khz/7025 khz  did have GRAM shots of my callsign in full at speeds from 60 - 2 sec dots. These were sent via email to me from the USA and Canadian plus a lot of other gram shots send by those listening but not transmitting from N. America and Europe.
I will be on again this year if I get time, very busy with other projects at present but do have both 73 and 136 khz available.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31701 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:59:57 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:59:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 10326 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 14:33:41 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 14:33:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NwIf-0005I2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:32:53 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.39] (helo=imo-d07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NwIf-0005Hm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:32:53 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.16b.18a08176 (15886) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m17.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.133]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-1216093213; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:32:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:32:13 -0500 From: MarkusVester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <280C2E62.1A71A8DB.28FF0FBC@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Also do we need to send the very long '73'? For the impatient, how about "ST" ;-) 73 de Markus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30685 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:52:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6672 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 15:16:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:16:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NwyH-0005dx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:15:53 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NwyH-0005do-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:15:53 +0000 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBGFFmg14867 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA05702; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:15:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002d01c2a516$9f4ecb80$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <20021216145936.FWJ5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@there> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:20:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Steve (and others): Please understand that Laurie is proposing this for a crossband QSO, where the "west end of the pond" response will be on 40 meter regular CW, not QRSS. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15191 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:45:57 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:45:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 16510 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:45:22 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:45:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NxPv-0005rS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:44:27 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NxPv-0005rJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:44:27 +0000 Received: from [80.40.78.100] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18NxFg-0002wd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:33:52 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:44:05 -0000 Message-ID: <01C2A519.F6EE6820.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:44:03 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I was going to say something similar. Both EME and Meteor Scatter make use of rigidly defined QSO formats and R definitely means Roger/Received OK so you need another symbol to request a repeat. How about ' ? ' Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: RaySoifer@cs.com [SMTP:RaySoifer@cs.com] Sent: 2002/12/16 13:23 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QSO format Laurie, John et al, Since I'm not directly involved, I should probably keep my mouth shut, but from experience in other forms of weak-signal work I might suggest reserving "R" for "Roger" and just sending the signal report, whether "O", "5" or whatever. If the receiving station would like the report repeated, how about "?" rather than "R?" 73, Ray, W2RS << File: ATT00003.htm >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14086 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:13:13 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:13:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 16916 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 15:12:39 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:12:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NwuT-0005YH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:11:57 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.101] (helo=imo-r05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NwuT-0005Xd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:11:57 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.60.2a8b13f7 (16098) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.130]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID112-1216101119; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:11:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:11:19 -0500 From: carmelink@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1B87FFD3.16815BF8.02E350C6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Subject: Re LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >2) G3AQC de W4DEX  O O O  K >3) DEX R5 K >4) G3AQC de W4DEX R5 73 VA  EE Purists might argue out that G3AQC has not acknowledged receiving Dex's full call -- prefix missing. Historically, does the T/A ratings business have any purists? :>) Hearty best wishes, gentlemen! Mike W2AG LWCA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7829 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:09:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:09:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14279 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 15:08:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:08:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NwrG-0005VZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:08:38 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.163] (helo=imo-m08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NwrF-0005VQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:08:37 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.c8.31e63bfc (4539); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:08:01 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, mike.dennison@ntlworld.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Steve et al,

If you're not already familiar with it, you may want to take a look at the QSO format used in 144 MHz EME.  It is simpler than those used at 432 MHz or in MS work, and has evolved in order to make the weakest CW signals intelligible to the ear.  The same logic would seem to apply to the eye using Argo.

Dave, W5UN, describes the format and how it is used at

http://web.wt.net/~w5un/primer.htm#Xmit

73,

Ray, W2RS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26202 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:00:56 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:00:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 8369 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 15:00:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 15:00:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NwiX-0005Rv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:59:37 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NwiX-0005Rm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:59:37 +0000 Received: from there ([217.137.94.20]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216145936.FWJ5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@there>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:59:36 +0000 From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Mike Dennison" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:03:50 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> In-reply-to: <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20021216145936.FWJ5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@there> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Re: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group On Monday 16 December 2002 14:18, Mike Dennison wrote: >snip > > On a general point about QRSS procedures, I still see 'TNX' or 'TKS' being > sent, 'TU' is much shorter. Also do we need to send the very long '73'? Or the very long 'CQ'? Maybe it's time for a new set of abbreviations to go with the mode. Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6183 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 14:19:06 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 14:19:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 10115 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 14:18:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 14:18:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nw3z-0005Bf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:17:43 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.46] (helo=mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nw3y-0005BU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:17:43 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021216141741.LMGF20174.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:17:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c2a50e$0b89ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:18:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group G3AQC wrote: > I am attempting a X band contact on 73kHz, and would like to discuss a > minimal X band QSO format,remembering that openings are short. > As I understand it the requirments are for an exchange of full callsigns, > and reports.If this so I would like to :- > 1) drop CQ, not required since QSO has been agreed. > 2) drop RST, T is always 9 ! and S depends on the recieve set- up,so what > matters is R readability. > I therfore propose the following format for an imaginary QSO between G3AQC, > DFCW/QRSS and W4DEX CW on HF. > > 1) G3AQC K > 2) G3AQC de W4DEX O O O K > 3) DEX R5 K > 4) G3AQC de W4DEX R5 73 VA EE > 5) EE > > In the event that the QRSS/DFCW station misses a report he will request a > repeat by sending R IMI. > How does this sound ? > 73 Laurie. In line 3, you need to send 'R 5' (roger your report, you are readability 5), not 'R5' (readability 5). Purists may prefer to send a report, rather than readability, but I agree that this is meaningless especially if the HF link is below standard owing to using compromise antennas. A QRSS repeat request should be just a question mark, IMI. Line (5) is surplus to requirements. This is as brief as possible but still includes the 'essential' elements, full exchange of callsigns, reports and rogers. Good luck with the QSO. On a general point about QRSS procedures, I still see 'TNX' or 'TKS' being sent, 'TU' is much shorter. Also do we need to send the very long '73'? Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28005 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 13:43:39 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 24878 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 12:42:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 12:42:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NuZM-0004aZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:42:00 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.13] (helo=dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NuZL-0004aQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:41:59 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 57762356 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:41:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c2a500$bcba3c60$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, > How does this sound ? Sounds good to me. Of course, "W1TAG" sounds better than "W4DEX." John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22129 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 13:24:05 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:24:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20177 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 13:24:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:23:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NvDg-0004sV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:23:40 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.101] (helo=imo-r05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NvDe-0004sM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:23:38 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.e6.3318caae (17377) for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:22:50 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: Re: LF: QSO format Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Laurie, John et al,

Since I'm not directly involved, I should probably keep my mouth shut, but from experience in other forms of weak-signal work I might suggest reserving "R" for "Roger" and just sending the signal report, whether "O", "5" or whatever.  If the receiving station would like the report repeated, how about "?" rather than "R?"

73,

Ray, W2RS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28498 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 13:19:53 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:19:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 141 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 13:19:21 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:19:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nv9B-0004pn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:19:01 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.53] (helo=cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nv9A-0004pe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:19:00 +0000 Received: from [62.21.129.37] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Nv99-0008MQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216142102.00a8b350@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:22:16 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <1c7.32ee066.2b2e3ff3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Thanks John for a perfect reproduction!

73, Dick, PA0SE:


Dick Rollema's noise bridge schematic and a photo of his assembled unit can
now be downloaded from:

http://lwca.org/library/articles/pa0se/earth/

73
John Davis
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23772 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 13:14:26 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:14:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 11587 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 13:13:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:13:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nv3l-0004js-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:13:25 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.56] (helo=cmailENV4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nv3l-0004jj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:13:25 +0000 Received: from [62.21.144.179] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Nv3j-0007Wq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:13:24 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216134838.00ac2c50@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:14:58 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <18NsUL-1YFOL2C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145628.00a2ba10@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To All from PA0SE

I wrote:
................
> Measuring earth resistance at 50Hz has no meaning  for the loss at 136kHz
> because the earth resistance (impedance is more correct) is frequency
> dependent.
 
Upon this Uwe, DJ6WX, remarked:

but you use a noise source ie. not 136kHz only. does that not matter ?

The noise source indeed produces noise over a wide band of frequencies. But as a detector a receiver is used and therefore only a small frequency band around 136kHz is used to balance the bridge. The width of that band depends on the pass band of the receiver. Because the bridge can  theoretically  be balanced  for one frequency component of the noise only it is necessary to use as small a bandwidth as possible. With a wide pass band of the receiver a minimum in the noise can still be found but it is not very pronounced. So the narrower the pass band of the receiver, the deeper the noise minimum becomes.

73, Dick, PA0SE
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21861 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 13:14:25 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:14:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 14617 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 13:13:53 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 13:13:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nv3i-0004jf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:13:22 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.56] (helo=cmailENV4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nv3h-0004jW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:13:21 +0000 Received: from [62.21.144.179] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Nv3g-0007Wq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:13:20 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021216132519.00acad40@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:45:58 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368FDC@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp .telenor.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_LINK, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Jan-Martin, LA8AK. wrote:


but suppose the values of the noise generator are for the range 3-30MHz, the coupling capacitors must be increased for VLF

The noise bridge was indeed not designed for LF but there is plenty of noise on LF and the bridge can be perfectly nulled on 136kHz. But the X-control has hardly any effect as its range is  from  190pF till  -155pF (means inductive reactance) and that amounts to -j6.15 kohm till  j7.54 kohm as minimum values that can be measured in parallel with Rx.   But for measuring earth resistance the X-control is not used because I bring the aerial  system into resonance so that only a pure ohmic resistance has to be measured.

To make the X-control useful on LF it might be better to connect  C1 in series with R3 and C2 in series with Zx; but I have not investigated that. I used the parallel version because at high frequencies it is easier to compensate for the parasitic capacitances of R3 and C2.

73, Dick, PA0SE

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Emne: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance


Dick Rollema's noise bridge schematic and a photo of his assembled unit can
now be downloaded from:

http://lwca.org/library/articles/pa0se/earth/

73
John Davis
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29769 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 12:28:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 12:28:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14276 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 12:28:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 12:28:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NuLP-0004Vd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:27:35 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NuLP-0004VU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:27:35 +0000 Received: from modem-6.anfauglith.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.110.6] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NuLO-0006GC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:27:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2a4ff$bc781fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:35:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: QSO format Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I am attempting a X band contact on 73kHz, and would like to discuss a minimal X band QSO format,remembering that openings are short. As I understand it the requirments are for an exchange of full callsigns, and reports.If this so I would like to :- 1) drop CQ, not required since QSO has been agreed. 2) drop RST, T is always 9 ! and S depends on the recieve set- up,so what matters is R readability. I therfore propose the following format for an imaginary QSO between G3AQC, DFCW/QRSS and W4DEX CW on HF. 1) G3AQC K 2) G3AQC de W4DEX O O O K 3) DEX R5 K 4) G3AQC de W4DEX R5 73 VA EE 5) EE In the event that the QRSS/DFCW station misses a report he will request a repeat by sending R IMI. How does this sound ? 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12889 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 11:15:46 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 11:15:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 29994 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 11:15:20 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 11:15:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NtCd-0004J5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:14:27 +0000 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NtCc-0004Iw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:14:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 16653 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 14:14:24 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 14:14:23 +0300 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:14:22 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <2115476806.20021216141422@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Marconi 100th Anniversary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=NOSPAM_INC,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBATversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Very favorable date for the beginning works USA on 136 and realization by first USA - G QSO on 136! ??? "KM1CC MARCONI WIRELESS CENTENNIAL - January 11-19, 2003 Celebrating The 100th Anniversary of Guglielmo Marconi's First Wireless transmission between the United States and Europe on January 11 - 19, 2003. >From atop high, sandy cliffs overlooking the Atlantic, Marconi transmitted a simple, 54-word greeting from President Theodore Roosevelt to Great Britain's King Edward VII. Within hours, the King acknowledged receiving the message, and the spark of global communications was lit. The Marconi Radio Club, W1AA, and the Marconi Cape Cod Memorial Radio Club, KM1CC, working in partnership with the National Park Service at Cape Cod National Seashore, will operate a Special Event station from January 11-19 at the former Coast Guard station at Coast Guard Beach in Eastham, Massachusetts, from near the site of the original Marconi 1903 Station. >From 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. each day, the public will be able to tour the station, listen to voice and Morse Code discussions with other radio operators around the world, and learn about wireless technology and the significance of Marconi's achievement. For Details See: http://personal.tmlp.com/k1vv/w1aa 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14243 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 10:31:11 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 10:31:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10980 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 10:30:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 10:30:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NsUf-000475-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:29:01 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.20] (helo=mailout08.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NsUe-00046r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:29:00 +0000 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18NsUd-0001Ks-04; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:28:59 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.13.116]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18NsUL-1YFOL2C; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:28:41 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145628.00a2ba10@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:28:41 +0100 Message-ID: <18NsUL-1YFOL2C@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_TONLINEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dick Rollema schrieb: > To All from PA0SE > > > > >............... ................ > Measuring earth resistance at 50Hz has no meaning for the loss at 136kHz > because the earth resistance (impedance is more correct) is frequency > dependent. >................. .................... > 73, Dick, PA0SE Hi Dick, but you use a noise source ie. not 136kHz only. does that not matter ? Regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2949 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 09:50:53 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 09:50:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26775 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 09:50:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 09:50:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nrsz-0003yR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:50:05 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nrsz-0003yD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:50:05 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:49:24 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:49:24 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:49:23 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:49:23 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:49:22 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368FDC@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Measuring earth resistance Thread-Index: AcKkeSPBj/jNbdYXSDORVarIM89EiQAbw19A From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2002 09:49:23.0989 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A23BC50:01C2A4E8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group fb, but suppose the values of the noise generator are for the range 3-30MHz, the coupling capacitors must be increased for VLF 73 Jan-Martin, LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: WarmSpgs@aol.com [mailto:WarmSpgs@aol.com] Sendt: 15. desember 2002 21:29 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Dick Rollema's noise bridge schematic and a photo of his assembled unit can now be downloaded from: http://lwca.org/library/articles/pa0se/earth/ 73 John Davis From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7441 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 09:40:04 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 09:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 5532 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 09:39:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 09:39:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nreg-0003tK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:35:18 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.211] (helo=cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nref-0003tB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:35:18 +0000 Received: from modem-37.belegaer.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.137.37] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Nree-0006Nl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:35:17 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c2a4e7$aac91260$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:42:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re. 73kHz X band attempt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Dex, John, Last nights transmissions did not start out as a X band attempt. I did not expect any propagation, and just wanted to prove that I was right ! However as usual the Ionosphere confounded me and Dex reported a good signal, for a while. I had started with 175sec elements 0.06Hz shift DFCW requiring 120 sec.Argo,and was only sending AQC.After the report (via e mail ) I decided to speed things up and went to 120 sec elements with 0.1Hz shift. So that 90sec Argo could be used. This resulted in a slight drop in frequency noticed by John.I also transmitted CQ G3AQC K so that if Dex did see the signals we could attempt a QSO. However the propagation then started to drop out. Dex noted that HBG was also dropping so at least we have some correlation between HBG and signals going the other way. I did not hear Dex on 7030 so no QSO resulted and I finally closed down at 01:25UTC. We came quite close to a QSO on a night which did not promise well so there is hope for the future. We need to check out the HF frequency, perhaps 14mHz would be better? I should also like to discuss the format for such a X band QSO, even with DFCW it still takes a long time to send a message. I will put my thoughts down in a later mail. Now I need some sleep. Thanks Dex and John,( and Ko for the report),73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16499 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 02:11:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 02:11:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9263 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 02:10:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 02:10:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nki7-0002xl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:10:23 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.27] (helo=mx17.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Nki6-0002xX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:10:23 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx17.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 8842638 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:09:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c2a4a8$38d5ec80$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2a495$ca407720$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 02:09:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz X band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, I got home at 0200, and found one complete AQC ID, and a lot of fragments, starting at 2200. Some of the fragments were quite strong, but the signal peaks weren't long enough. You evidently changed frequency during the run. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3832 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 00:48:42 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 00:48:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 12053 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Dec 2002 00:48:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 00:48:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NjP6-0002f9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:46:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=post.omnieng.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NjP5-0002eh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:46:39 +0000 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.171]) by post.omnieng.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NiWw-0002Pt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:50:42 +0000 Received: from modem-20.belfalas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.139.20] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NiVT-0005Wz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:49:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2a495$ca407720$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:56:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Subject: LF: 73kHz X band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Dex I don't know wether my return message went out. I am transmitting DFCW 120 sec elements so look for me on 90sec argo. I think cdx poor but eill stay on for about one hour. Listening on 7030. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31166 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 21:30:09 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 21:30:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27576 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2002 20:29:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 20:29:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NfNs-0002Fl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:29:08 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.106] (helo=imo-r10.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NfNr-0002Fc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:29:07 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.1c7.32ee066 (30950) for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:28:35 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <1c7.32ee066.2b2e3ff3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:28:35 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dick Rollema's noise bridge schematic and a photo of his assembled unit can now be downloaded from: http://lwca.org/library/articles/pa0se/earth/ 73 John Davis From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20131 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 21:16:35 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 21:16:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 19358 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2002 20:15:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 20:15:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NfAh-00029u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:15:31 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.14] (helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NfAg-00029j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:15:30 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 42035842 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:14:59 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c2a476$ea560f80$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2a473$28a213a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:16:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz tonight. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, > So I will transmit tonight from 2200 UTC > on 72.401, QRSS 120. I hope someone will be able to have a look and >report. I will leave things running, including the web captures at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg I won't be able to check the results until 0200 or so. Good luck! John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5751 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 19:42:33 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 19:42:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 5243 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 19:41:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 19:41:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Nedb-00022i-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:41:19 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.18] (helo=cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Neda-00022Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:41:18 +0000 Received: from modem-13.bauglir.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.136.13] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NedZ-0000rw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:41:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2a473$28a213a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:48:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz tonight. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Dex,John and all, The Kp index is up to 3 and its been a long time since it was high (lots of decay ). I think the chance of good propagation tonight is poor,but it would be interesting to find out. So I will transmit tonight from 2200 UTC on 72.401, QRSS 120. I hope someone will be able to have a look and report. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5909 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 18:58:12 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 18:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 6211 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2002 18:57:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 18:57:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ndwu-0001uO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:57:12 +0000 Received: from [80.82.32.9] (helo=serv1.vsi.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ndwt-0001uF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:57:12 +0000 Received: from rx3qfm (nasx-g104.dial.vsi.ru [80.82.37.104]) by serv1.vsi.ru (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id gBFIues00812 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:56:40 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <002001c2a46b$c479ae80$68255250@sckr.com> From: "Vladimir Shuplyakov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145628.00a2ba10@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:52:56 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello all! Now (after my marriadge), I start again on LF 136kc, but recive only. I use FT-840, home made upconverter and indoor loop antenna. For now, I copy LORAN-? 30-35db S/N. (Hope to improove in near future ). Any body can to help me and write about European QRSS beacons in 136 kc band? 73! Your Vlad. RX3QFM (KO91oq). From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15039 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 18:22:14 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 18:22:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15775 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2002 18:21:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 18:21:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NdNn-0001fQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:20:55 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NdNn-0001fH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:20:55 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.208.46]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021215182054.JSPM19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:20:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c2a466$cb1585c0$2ed0fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c2a417$9a371760$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:15:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sorry about this a.m. Laurie. I am not 'permanently on-line' and so did not get your messages until I looked in the box this evening. Have been "footerin' about"(as they say here) with the gear and can now get on 136 at reduced power but favour 73 while we have the chance. Next week I shall have the same 'small-finger-problem' as you! 73, Ian. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17390 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 15:38:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 3571 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 15:39:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 15:39:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Naqh-0001MG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:38:35 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Naqh-0001M7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:38:35 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Naqa-0007Sv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:38:28 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18NaqY-0006dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:38:26 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145022.00b12bf8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:31:51 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000c01c2a3cc$8afd30e0$b7837ad5@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: re 500kHz /73kHz Activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Mal, Alan, HF Group, I have spent some time during the past couple of years listening to the band around 500kHz - I have yet to hear any 2-way communications going on. What I do hear is various shore stations (mainly Italian), who pop up on 500kHz, then QSY to a nearby frequency to broadcast traffic lists, weather reports, and bulletins of shipping hazards. I guess these same broadcasts are being tranmitted on HF - they seem to be machine generated. As Alan suggests, there is a difference between the broadcasts being there, and anybody actually using them. I think NAVTEX is an entirely automatic set up, with a dedicated RX printing out the broadcasts, without any operator being involved. The marine radio suppliers don't seem to be offering MF transmitters - how many ships do you see with a viable MF transmitting antenna? Even with the broadcasts, the majority of the spectrum around 500kHz never seems to have any signals in it, so it would seem there is plenty of room for a few kHz of amateur band without causing problems. I have heard that there is some interest in using this frequency range for broadcasting differential GPS information, so that may be part of the reason the powers that be are not keen on an amateur band. In a QSO with G3XIZ yesterday, I heard that M0FMT is in the process of getting set up on 73kHz, and hopes to be QRV in the near future - so one worth watching out for. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24719 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 14:08:39 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 14:08:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14514 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 14:08:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 14:08:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NZQt-0001Bo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:07:51 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.55] (helo=cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NZQs-0001Be-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:07:50 +0000 Received: from [62.21.136.198] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NZQq-0000Jr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:07:48 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021215145628.00a2ba10@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:59:32 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

In my previous message I made a mistake in the formula for the reactance of a capacitor.  In this repeat the correct formula is used.

There were some requests for info on the way I measured the earth resistance of my aerial system.

In 1988 I made an impedance bridge with a noise source.  In the first version of this e-mail the circuit diagram was included but it did not pass the reflector. 
Most bridges of this type have a transformer between the noise amplifier and the bridge circuit. But I found it impossible to make the bridge frequency independent up to 30MHz. By putting the transformer between the bridge circuit and the detector I managed to make the readings reliable up to 30MHz.

For measuring earth resistance I connect the bridge between the bottom end of the loading coil and the earth connection, after disconnecting the transmitter from the coil.  The X-control is left at the zero position
The detector (receiver = "ontvanger " in Dutch) is tuned to 136.5kHz and the vacuum capacitor in parallel with the tuning coil and the R-control of the bridge tuned for minimum noise.  The minimum is so frequency-dependent that it becomes deeper as the bandwidth of the receiver is reduced!
The total resistance of the aerial system can then be read from the R-control. But for better accuracy I measure its value  with a digital multimeter.
From the value so found I subtract the loss resistance of the loading coil. What remains I call the earth resistance. Of course in that value are also included the radiation resistance and the resistance of the aerial and earth wire, But these quantities are negligible as compared to the earth resistance.

In the earth resistance will also be included losses in the aerial insulation and in the capacitance of the aerial to surrounding objects like trees (no trees in my case). But these losses are impossible to separate from the real earth resistance.

Measuring earth resistance at 50Hz has no meaning  for the loss at 136kHz because the earth resistance (impedance is more correct) is frequency dependent. At  low frequencies earth acts like a resistor, at high frequencies like a capacitor in parallel with a resistor.

I find the loss resistance of the loading coil with its tuning capacitor in parallel as follows.

I use my W & G signal generator and tracking selective voltmeter type PSM-5. The generator is connected to a one-turn loop that is positioned at some 35cm from the bottom end of the coil. An oscilloscope probe is connected to the level meter and hung near the top end of the coil. The aerial is replaced by a variable capacitor (broadcast receiver type). The PSM-5 is adjusted to 136500Hz and the variable capacitor tuned for maximum voltage over the coil and its value noted. The PSM-5 is then tuned higher and lower to the frequencies where the voltage over the coil has dropped to 0.707 (-3dB) of the maximum. The frequency difference between these two frequencies is B (I use a frequency counter to improve accuracy; B is rather small). This yields Q = 136.5/B (Q = 350 in my case).
The value C of the variable capacitor is then measured. This yields the reactance of the capacitor
X = 1/6.28 * f * C ohms.  Because there was resonance this is also the reactance of the loading coil in parallel with its tuning capacitor.
We now find for the loss resistance of the loading coil: R = X/Q.

My measurements support the findings by Alan Melia. The earth resistance is higher in winter than in summer and is maximum when the earth is soaked with water. When the water freezes the resistance goes down.

I hope this info is of some use.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13014 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 13:44:53 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 13:44:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 1052 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Dec 2002 13:44:47 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 13:44:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NZ3n-00017E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:43:59 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NZ3n-000175-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:43:59 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021215134445.TQQO20452.host3@att.net> for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:44:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFC8727.B4A2A5CD@att.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:44:07 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: 75 KHz HBG dip? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Can anyone explain the dip in this HBG plot that occurred at 0300 last night? http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg15dec02.jpg Current HGB plot updated every 5 minuets is available at: http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg.jpg Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4538 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 09:47:12 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 09:47:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 23598 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 08:46:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 08:46:32 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NUPM-0000LE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:45:56 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.18] (helo=cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NUPL-0000L5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:45:55 +0000 Received: from modem-24.brodda.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.143.152] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NUPL-0002Iz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:45:55 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c2a417$9a371760$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:53:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz now Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Having sorted out the havock caused by two grandchildren on my computer ! I will be QRV on 71.78 CW for a while, anyone about Ian? 73 Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24842 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 08:58:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 08:58:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 3636 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 08:57:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 08:57:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NUaJ-0000XW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:57:15 +0000 Received: from [63.171.43.2] (helo=ns2.genesis-technology.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NUaJ-0000XL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:57:15 +0000 Received: from we0h ([65.165.20.173]) by ns2.genesis-technology.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBF8v5r02262 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:57:05 -0600 From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:56:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <001401c2a417$994da1c0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: LF: RE: 73 kHz this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group It's 2:55am here and I'm ready for bed. Enjoy your Sunday. 73's, Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurie Mayhead Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:36 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 73 kHz this morning Hi All, If anyone is interested I will be on 71.78kHz. CW from about 0830 this morning.(now actually). Ian we could atempt it, you were almost readable the other day. 73 Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18364 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 08:47:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 08:47:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 28201 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 08:46:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 08:46:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NUPK-0000L1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:45:54 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.18] (helo=cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NUPK-0000Ks-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:45:54 +0000 Received: from modem-24.brodda.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.143.152] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NUPJ-0002Iz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:45:53 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c2a417$994da1c0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:35:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73 kHz this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All, If anyone is interested I will be on 71.78kHz. CW from about 0830 this morning.(now actually). Ian we could atempt it, you were almost readable the other day. 73 Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30844 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 01:05:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 13462 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 01:04:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 01:04:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NN97-0006h6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:00:41 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NN97-0006gx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:00:41 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021215010154.TOLP336.host4@att.net> for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 20:01:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFBD43B.EF5EE3F9@att.net> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:00:43 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a3d0$7228d980$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: Re: LF: Re.Anyone on 73/136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sounds good Laurie. I'm off chasing TAG running his DDS exciter on 185.2 KHz now. GN, Dex Laurie Mayhead wrote: > > Hi Dex, > I just got home (12:10),I think its too late to set anything up for tonight. > Perhaps tomorrow would be possible. > 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1417 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 00:16:07 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 00:16:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 20687 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 00:17:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 00:17:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NMSS-0006af-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:16:36 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.18] (helo=cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NMSR-0006aW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:16:35 +0000 Received: from modem-118.deagol.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.152.246] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18NMSQ-00036y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:16:35 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2a3d0$7228d980$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:23:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re.Anyone on 73/136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Dex, I just got home (12:10),I think its too late to set anything up for tonight. Perhaps tomorrow would be possible. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22241 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 23:57:50 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 23:57:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 26847 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 23:58:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 23:58:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NMAN-0006Sq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:57:55 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NMAM-0006Sh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:57:54 +0000 Received: from host213-122-131-183.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.131.183] helo=main) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18NMAL-0000R4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:57:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2a3cc$8afd30e0$b7837ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:56:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Mal and the group, yes there are some quite enormous traffic lists being sent on 500 and other nearby calling frequencies. Do you EVER hear any traffic being transacted down there ?? I would certianly be interested if anyone does hear traffic to know the details. It is believed that these traffic list transmissions are a "political" ploy by the shore-station operators of some countries who object to the downgrading of their jobs (and presumably the loss of status and pay) The local container port, which is supposed to be the 2nd largest in Europe now, no longer has any ships calling which carry qualifed radio ops. The frequencies are still valid but I would be surprised if any ships where still fitted with a capability, except in certain limited areas like the far east and some parts of South America There are however several Navtex frequencies, 518kHz being one, which some administartions are understandably sensitive about. I beliebe these are liable to be the biggest stumbling-block. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32270 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 21:18:19 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 21:18:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 7206 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2002 21:17:47 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 21:17:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NJe5-0006DS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:16:25 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NJe5-0006DJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:16:25 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021214211711.LLTQ20452.host3@att.net> for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFB9FAD.4EEA83@att.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:16:29 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: Anyone on 73 or 136 tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group QRN here in NC is about gone but the K it up. If anyone would like to transmit I will be glad to set up. Will run overnight in auto mode if desired. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29166 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 16:33:12 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 16:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 2386 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2002 16:32:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 16:32:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NF9d-0005oI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:28:41 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NF9d-0005o9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:28:41 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.111]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021214162840.OUQV15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:28:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c2a38d$d02cac20$6fccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:27:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 500 khz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Recent info here indicates that no part of the  500 khz will be allocated to Radio Amateurs in the near future. This is not surprising considering that the marine service is still using the band.
While tuning around the medium wave band today and then on my way down to 136 khz the 500 khz band was extremely busy with marine broadcast traffic lists to ships on 500, 510 and 512 khz
I was also recently on a ship and read the ships licence conditions and the HF bands were specified on the licence as permitted for use, plus other vhf frequencies and satellite up/down links.
Certainly all marine fixed and mobile services(ships) have not gone over to satellite as some sources would make you believe. The lists today were very long so it would appear that hundreds of ships are still using HF/MF frequencies for ship/shore.
Maybe someone has more details about frequency allocations and future plans.
 de G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32745 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 14:45:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 14:45:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 23480 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 14:45:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 14:45:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NDWl-0005dO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:44:27 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NDWl-0005dF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:44:27 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.196]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021214144426.ZLBQ21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:44:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c2a37f$418f9c60$c4ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001f01c2a299$d15ca180$acccfc3e@ian> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:28:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73 KHz activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kyle" To: Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: LF: 73 KHz activity. > Hi all, > > having worked G3AQC;G3LDO;G3XDV;G3YXM and M0BMU during the last couple of > weeks there seems to be a dearth of customers for GI. Is there anybody else > who wants a QSO? Always ready to oblige. Ian. You are doing well considering your modest antenna on 73 khz and a lot better than when you operated from the Lurgan Decca site with the big antenna. I think receiving was the problem there and I dont know why because its out in the middle of the country. I have been to the site a few times and know Gordon and Joe the engineers and the farmer that owns the site.The site is only about 22 miles from Tullywiggan if you take the near cut across the Lough Hi !!! You are a good strong 579 in Scarboro on 73 73 and gl de Mal/G3KEV > > Ian MIØAYZ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21506 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 13:10:24 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 13:10:24 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 16186 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2002 12:09:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 12:09:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18NB69-0005PL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:08:49 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18NB69-0005PC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:08:49 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18NB63-0007TF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:08:43 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18NB60-0007E4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:08:40 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021214115635.00b16c98@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:06:55 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <003801c2a2fd$f03620e0$cc1debc3@BI57429bankinter> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Jason QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, Thanks to those who were listening for the Jason sigs last night, and for the reception reports - unfortunately the QRN level was very high, like a summer night here, and seems to have been the same across the pond. I guess the QRN will last a while, so I will wait a couple of days for the thunderstorms to die away. Thanks also to Markus, DF6NM for the 2 way Jason QSO - This was my first actual contact in Jason mode. I have not yet worked out proper T-R switching for Jason, so it was a bit tricky to do, but it worked very well, in spite of this and the QRN. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10197 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 10:06:12 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 10:06:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 2265 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 10:07:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 10:07:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18N9BY-00046D-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:06:16 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.53] (helo=cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18N9BY-000464-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:06:16 +0000 Received: from [62.21.137.169] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18N9BX-0006mw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:06:15 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021214094520.009eb710@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:46:42 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.0.20021213194808.029f7c40@aurora.eexi.gr> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213133819.00ac0c30@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit No Costas,

I really meant resistance.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 19:49 13-12-02 +0200, you wrote:
At 13:39 13/12/2002 +0100, you wrote:

> My measurements support the findings by Alan Melia. The earth
> resistance is higher in winter than in summer and is maximum when
> the earth is soaked with water. When the water freezes the resistance
> goes down.

I guess you mean "earth conductivity", which is the reverse of
"earth resistance" and moves in the opposite way between summer
and winter!

73 Costas SV1XV
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15328 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 08:44:05 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 08:44:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 10702 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 08:43:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 08:43:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18N7sp-0003g4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:42:51 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18N7sp-0003fv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:42:51 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.94.9]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021214084250.BML19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:42:50 +0000 Message-ID: <005501c2a34d$3f89cd00$035e89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:44:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Metalwork Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Please forgive me if I'm straying off line here. If I'm shot down in flames I'll know better next time. I'm having a clear out. None of it is speficically lf related, but some metalwork might be of particular interest. I have some water cooled heatsinks, roughly 250 x 200mm and 500 x 200mm, made from aluminium about 10mm thick with a thicker centre section which carries 4 stainless tubes for water. There's also 4 into 1 manifolds and flow switches and other bits to go woth them, as well as some cover metalwork so you add the front/back panels to make a really nice box. The heatsinks are drilled to take 6 or 12 pairs of standard 'helicopter' rf power transistor packages which makes them useful for hf/vhf amps as well as having plenty of holes to use for plastic power transistors. In commercial use they were cooling about 1kW dissipation continous - they're left over after the rf sections were transferred into a different case. I've no idea how to price them - professionally I expect they would be many hundreds of pounds each. I'm open to offers or trades - all money will go to charity anyway. I'll try to sort out some pictures over the weekend. Steve To avoid confusion with 'reply to' settings, use this to reply to me - steve@eltac.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10742 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 07:31:36 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 07:31:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10017 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 06:30:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 06:30:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18N5ow-0003T5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:30:42 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.103] (helo=imo-r07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18N5ov-0003Sw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:30:41 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.17d.13802874 (3310) for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:30:08 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.13802874.2b2c29f0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:30:08 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sorry, all. I meant to send that response directly to Dick. Sometimes my mail client chooses its own reply-to address rules, seemingly at random, and I don't always notice before clicking on Send. John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8111 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 06:24:55 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 06:24:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8358 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2002 06:25:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 06:25:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18N5jJ-0003Pd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:24:53 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.105] (helo=imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18N5jJ-0003PU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 06:24:53 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.178.1361380a (3310) for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:24:18 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <178.1361380a.2b2c2892@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:24:18 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group In a message dated 12/13/02 8:15:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, d.w.rollema@freeler.nl writes: << In the first version of this e-mail the circuit diagram was included but it did not pass the reflector. >> Hi Dick, As usual, I'll be happy to host the diagram on the LWCA site if you'd like to have it there. John Davis From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8223 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 03:15:07 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 03:15:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 19081 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2002 03:14:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 03:14:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18N2kk-00036D-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:14:10 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18N2kk-000364-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:14:10 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021214031456.BWGU20452.host3@att.net> for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFAA204.792DB52@att.net> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 03:14:12 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213150612.029e8c38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <18MzGy-12mfOCC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> <002101c2a31c$29852a80$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John Andrews wrote: > > Nothing seen on 137.500, either on Jason or Argo screens as of 0255, so I'm > going to quit for the night. > Same here. Looks like this wet noise generator in headed toward Tagland. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20058 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 02:55:16 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 02:55:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 15040 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2002 02:56:10 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 02:56:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18N2SU-00031g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:55:18 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.12] (helo=dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18N2ST-00031V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:55:18 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 18270650 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:54:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c2a31c$29852a80$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213150612.029e8c38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <18MzGy-12mfOCC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:54:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Jason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Nothing seen on 137.500, either on Jason or Argo screens as of 0255, so I'm going to quit for the night. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20246 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:19:20 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:19:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22608 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Dec 2002 00:18:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:18:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18N00a-0002ls-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:18:20 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.28] (helo=dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18N00Z-0002lj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:18:19 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx18.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 9046402 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:22:06 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c2a306$3be09360$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213150612.029e8c38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <18MzGy-12mfOCC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:17:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Jason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I should have known that with an approaching storm, it would be noisy tonight. As of 0015, no intelligence of M0BMU has been obtained. I'll keep running in the hope that the signal may peak for a while. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29890 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 23:36:25 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 23:36:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 11930 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 22:35:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 22:35:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MyLi-0002TK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:32:02 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MyLh-0002TB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:32:02 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021213223247.YQFL20452.host3@att.net> for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:32:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFA5FE3.F69B845A@att.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:32:03 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213150612.029e8c38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jason on 136 Friday night, Argo settings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group James Moritz wrote: > I will run a Jason mode beacon on 137.500kHz tonight, over at least 2300 - > 0200 utc - any reports will be welcome. > Lots of QRN here tonight from a front just south east of my location. I don't expect to see anything but I will be watching. After my yearly excursion into the shopping mall zoos I am ready for a relaxing evening playing with my good friends Jason and Argo. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4918 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 23:32:42 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 23:32:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 27164 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 23:32:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 23:32:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MzHL-0002eo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:31:35 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.20] (helo=mailout08.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MzHK-0002ef-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:31:34 +0000 Received: from fwd11.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 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Hi Markus, Jim and Group:
 
I´ve just decoded your Jason QSO since 22.15 UTC. It´s the first time that I can decode Jason signals.
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14019 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 22:25:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 22:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 27993 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 22:25:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 22:25:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MyAz-0002Pt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:20:57 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MyAy-0002Pi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:20:56 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021213222142.YMOJ20452.host3@att.net> for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:21:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3DFA5D4A.6549E11A@att.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:20:58 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3DF9020F.C2F0142@att.net> <001001c2a23e$9aa6f420$e21686d4@erica> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 75KHz HBG Plotting, New and Improved, same price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group g3ldo wrote:> > > What signal strength level on your plot indicates an 'opening' on 72kHz? > Does the Rugby RTTY station on 73.2kHz follow the same pattern? Peter, I can't answer these questions now but hopefully we will know after a few weeks of monitoring. Sure wish I had been running the plot during the known good 72 KHz conditions we had a few nights ago. Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12827 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 19:58:02 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:58:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 18052 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 19:57:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:57:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mvvr-000280-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:57:11 +0000 Received: from [194.25.134.81] (helo=mailout03.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mvvr-00027r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:57:11 +0000 Received: from fwd09.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Mvvq-0003AC-0D; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:57:10 +0100 Received: from christel (320001276189-0001@[217.3.10.48]) by fwd09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Mvvl-1Yg45AC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:57:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c2a2e1$c2321a80$0300a8c0@dk3vk.de> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?j=F6rg-michael_kamla?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2a2ca$037ccfc0$bcd0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 20:56:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 320001276189-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: LF: Re: UC/1 CONV Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi, group,
I have a Datong converter UC/1 . If you are interest in it, please contact dk3vk@darc.de. An instruction is with it.
German and English.
73 de Michael/DK3VK
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21466 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 19:52:36 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:52:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 4111 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 19:52:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:52:05 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MvnW-00022a-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:34 +0000 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MvnV-00022R-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:33 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1039808898!41871 Received: (qmail 9381 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 19:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-10.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:48:18 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:48:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id YSKVR5WJ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:52:02 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:48:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:48:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: (Off Topic) PC mains filter for 136kHz interference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >Have a steady tone around 136.5kHz. It is definitely from my PC, >and the level was much reduced when the frame aerial was moved out into the >garden, but still I must switch off the PC when listening on certain >parts of the band. Are you sure that the interfering signal from the PC is reaching the antenna via the power line connection? Have you tried isolating the shield of the antenna's coax leaden from the receiver's and house's safety ground system by installing a isolation transformer at the receiver? This is typically 25 turns to 25 turns on a #43 ferrite core. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26542 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 19:22:34 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:22:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 23197 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 19:22:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:22:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MvNO-0001xd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:21:34 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MvNM-0001xU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:21:33 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021213192055.JALV1843.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:20:55 +1300 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.86.47.132]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021213192053.KAKY688.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:20:53 +1300 Message-ID: <001301c2a2dd$035a0ae0$842f56d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368FCE@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:19:34 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: (Off Topic) PC mains filter for 136kHz interference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jan_Martin LA8AK, > Wonder if somebody has any experience in building mains filters for the PC ? An alternative approach is to insert a mains isolating transformer at the PC (and also watch out for "bypassing" if there are computer peripheral devices with mains PSUs). Most of the commercially made filters, such as IEC chassis mounting sockets with filter inside, have only a millihenry or so of "choke" and that can not provide high attenuation at LF. I was lucky enough to come across a mains filter that was multi-stage, with good sized potcores, and that is reasonably effective on LF. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21939 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 18:35:35 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 18:35:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10041 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 17:34:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:34:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mthf-0001g9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:34:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.80] (helo=anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mthf-0001g0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:34:23 +0000 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18Mthe-00010r-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:34:23 +0000 Message-ID: <4v0bXJA7hh+9EwIL@telemetry.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:27:23 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" References: <002501c2a2cb$5b01ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> In-reply-to: <002501c2a2cb$5b01ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Subject: Re: LF: Back on 73 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mike Dennison writes > I think I will have >to try my local car spares dealer to see if I can buy some ignition wire. Farmer's supply places also sell reels of it quite cheaply for electric fence wiring. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22783 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 18:08:31 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 18:08:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14664 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 17:07:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:07:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MtHE-0001WO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:07:04 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MtHE-0001WF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:07:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.208.188]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021213170703.DLEL19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:07:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2a2ca$037ccfc0$bcd0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:06:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: UC/1 CONV Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
If you can get hold of a Datong receive UC/1 up converter, it makes a great front end for your normal HF receiver. The main rx tunes either 28 - 30 mhz or 144 - 146 mhz. The converter has both outputs, so it is useful for use with a 2m multi mode rx as well. 
To tune to 136.5 khz, tune the HF rx to 28.136.5 mhz or  the VHF rx to 144.136.5 mhz. The sensitivity is excellent and no signs of cross mod or overload, although the converter has 2 steps of front end attenuation if required.
The above converter is much better than the small LF  Datong converter, which seems to overload most receivers that I have tried.
The UC/1 is probably hard to find these days but it is a much better performer than using the normal receiver on LF by itself.
If you need more info let me know.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8696 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:55:00 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:55:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 24397 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 17:54:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:54:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mu0b-0001lO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:53:57 +0000 Received: from [212.70.194.250] (helo=ns1.tee.gr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mu0a-0001lF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:53:56 +0000 Received: from s9o9f0.eexi.gr (ath-2-176.dialup.tee.gr [212.70.200.176]) by ns1.tee.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBDHrn4O012848; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:53:50 +0200 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20021213194808.029f7c40@aurora.eexi.gr> X-Sender: sv1xv@aurora.eexi.gr (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:49:53 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213133819.00ac0c30@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: Re: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 13:39 13/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: > My measurements support the findings by Alan Melia. The earth > resistance is higher in winter than in summer and is maximum when > the earth is soaked with water. When the water freezes the resistance > goes down. I guess you mean "earth conductivity", which is the reverse of "earth resistance" and moves in the opposite way between summer and winter! 73 Costas SV1XV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1571 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:16:39 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:16:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 24824 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 17:16:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:16:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MtPF-0001ae-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:15:21 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MtPF-0001aV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:15:21 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021213171520.QOXC14589.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:15:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c2a2cb$5b01ca60$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:16:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Back on 73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group After careful examination, I have found my 73kHz fault. It was not the Tx FETs, but an insulation breakdown in the wire that takes the RF through the house wall. It is well insulated and goes through plastic conduit, but testing it with the 136kHz Tx in the dark produced a warm glow at the end of the piping and a hissing noise. The insulation on the wire had broken down - probably the gradual deterioration caused by corona on 73kHz - and the plastic conduit was not man enough for the job. It must have caused a complete short circuit with the higher voltages on 73k. I think I will have to try my local car spares dealer to see if I can buy some ignition wire. I am now available for skeds or test transmissions on 73kHz is anyone wants one. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26369 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 16:35:53 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 16:35:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 28708 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 16:35:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 16:35:24 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Msl5-0001Px-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:33:51 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Msl5-0001Po-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:33:51 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Mrot-0004Ku-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:33:43 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Mror-0003Gb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:33:41 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213150612.029e8c38@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:33:35 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000d01c2a2af$a32b5de0$09dc9384@jka> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Re: Jason on 136 Friday night, Argo settings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Markus, John, LF Group, At 08:57 13/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >- I am usually avoiding the AGC automatic gain setting as it makes it >impossible to distinguish between reduced signal and increased noise. >Sometimes when dashes are disrupted to a pair of dots, it would help to see >whether there is a burst of QRN in the middle.< > >I have used it to make things less touchy with my local noise levels, which >are both considerable and variable If you recall the "Hendrixizer" from some time ago, the same effect works well with QRSS. If you crank the RX gain up until the audio out is heavily clipped, it does quite a good job of reducing the effect of QRN crashes. The other effect is that, because you are effectively limiting the noise amplitude, the output noise level is fairly independent of the actual amplitude of the noise at the input. This makes the display quite tolerant to gradual changes of noise level. Try it - you might be surprised! On my RX, I just switch off the AGC and turn AF and RF gain to maximum, and set the sound card gain so it is well below overload - it sounds horrible, but the vertical streaks largely dissapear. Of course, it will only work if there are no strong signals above the noise within the RX passband; if there are, you will get FM-like quieting, where the strong signal suppresses the noise and weak signals. It won't help much either if there is strong noise drifting rapidly in and out of the passband, but then AGC will be just as bad. I will run a Jason mode beacon on 137.500kHz tonight, over at least 2300 - 0200 utc - any reports will be welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19313 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 15:11:17 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 15:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 5150 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 15:10:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 15:10:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MrRc-000090-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:09:40 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MrRc-00008r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:09:40 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:09:07 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:09:04 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:09:04 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:09:04 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:09:04 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368FD5@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Re: (Off Topic) PC mains filter for 136kHz interference Thread-Index: AcKitMNDx/qZaB+YReObVp5OOgZC+AABFZFQ From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 15:09:04.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[9365B180:01C2A2B9] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: (Off Topic) PC mains filter for 136kHz interference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Tnx Also considered setting to spread spectrum for the clock osc, but we didn't find how to deal with IBM Aptiva PC, hi (The two PC's types with most problems seems to be COMPAQ and IBM types, but the manufacturers never seem to understand that a reset button could be needed!!!) 73 Jan-Martin -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Dave Pick [mailto:g3yxm@wireless.org.uk] Sendt: 13. desember 2002 15:27 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: LF: Re: (Off Topic) PC mains filter for 136kHz interference Jan-Martin. Try changing one of the video settings such as frame rate of the monitor if your video card allows. It is usually video/monitor that produce stable carriers in the 136 band. Alternatively just switch to a different resolution. Prove it by switching the monitor off and leaving the PC on. Dave G3YXM. > Have a steady tone around 136.5kHz. It is definitely from my PC, > and the level was much reduced when the frame aerial was moved out into the > garden, but still I must switch off the PC when listening on certain > parts of the band. > > Wonder if somebody has any experience in building mains filters for the PC ? > > 73, > Jan_Martin > LA8AK (in JO38XC) tel.: +47-380-87178 (52660) > http://www.laud.no/la6nca/LA8AK/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12995 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 14:55:31 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 14:55:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 28267 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 13:54:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 13:54:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MqGF-0007aP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:53:51 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MqGE-0007aG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:53:50 +0000 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gBDDrkg20589 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id IAA16796; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:53:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000d01c2a2af$a32b5de0$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:57:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: 136 Friday night, Argo settings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Markus, >- I would probably prefer a lower speed: 90s-slow has the same resolution as 60s-normal, but shows 2.8 hours in a single screenshot (allowing me to doze away for a while without losing downloads ;-)). < Point well taken, and it also opens up the opportunity for someone to transmit at slower than QRSS60 speeds. >- I am usually avoiding the AGC automatic gain setting as it makes it impossible to distinguish between reduced signal and increased noise. Sometimes when dashes are disrupted to a pair of dots, it would help to see whether there is a burst of QRN in the middle.< I have used it to make things less touchy with my local noise levels, which are both considerable and variable. Particularly on the overnight captures when I am happily asleep, it's nice to have a little protection. I'm in a suburban neighborhood, and it is not very quiet. I'll experiment, though. I will definitely be recording some .WAV files for later processing. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17755 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 14:27:26 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 14:27:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 12698 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 14:27:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 14:27:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mqld-0008MG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:26:17 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mqld-0008M7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:26:17 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Mqlc-00027V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:26:16 +0000 Message-ID: <003001c2a2b3$b732ca40$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368FCE@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:27:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: (Off Topic) PC mains filter for 136kHz interference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jan-Martin. Try changing one of the video settings such as frame rate of the monitor if your video card allows. It is usually video/monitor that produce stable carriers in the 136 band. Alternatively just switch to a different resolution. Prove it by switching the monitor off and leaving the PC on. Dave G3YXM. > Have a steady tone around 136.5kHz. It is definitely from my PC, > and the level was much reduced when the frame aerial was moved out into the > garden, but still I must switch off the PC when listening on certain > parts of the band. > > Wonder if somebody has any experience in building mains filters for the PC ? > > 73, > Jan_Martin > LA8AK (in JO38XC) tel.: +47-380-87178 (52660) > http://www.laud.no/la6nca/LA8AK/ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12000 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 13:04:19 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 13:04:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18367 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 13:03:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 13:03:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MpT3-0007QD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:03:01 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.105] (helo=imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MpT2-0007Pl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:03:00 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.ce.315af6a4 (17079) for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:02:07 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:02:07 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: 136 Friday night, Argo settings Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi John, Dexter and LF group,

w1tag@charter.net:

If anyone wants to inhabit the 135.922 area, Dex and I are available on
Friday night - Saturday morning. Any takers?

John Andrews, W1TAG


yes, great, I would surely like to get on the air again. Who else ??

On the receive side, there are perhaps a couple of minor issues about Argo's settings that may be worth considering:

- I would probably prefer a lower speed: 90s-slow has the same resolution as 60s-normal, but shows 2.8 hours in a single screenshot (allowing me to doze away for a while without losing downloads ;-)). There is no real loss in temporal resolution as that is anyhow limited by the 10.5mHz bandwidth; the FFT interleave factor (ie number of columns per FFT length) would still be 5.3 instead of 15.9. In my experience, increasing the interleave above about 3 does not show more information, it only makes the noise blobs look wider.

- I am usually avoiding the AGC automatic gain setting as it makes it impossible to distinguish between reduced signal and increased noise. Sometimes when dashes are disrupted to a pair of dots, it would help to see whether there is a burst of QRN in the middle.

By the way, is John VE1ZJ currently QRV on LF?

73 es kind regards
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2617 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 12:57:07 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:57:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8986 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 12:57:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:57:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MpLL-0007ML-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:55:03 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.53] (helo=cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MpLK-0007MC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:55:02 +0000 Received: from [62.21.129.185] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18MpLH-0000EJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:55:00 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213133819.00ac0c30@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:39:43 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Measuring earth resistance Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

There were some requests for info on the way I measured the earth resistance of my aerial system.

In 1988 I made an impedance bridge with a noise source.  In the first version of this e-mail the circuit diagram was included but it did not pass the reflector. 
Most bridges of this type have a transformer between the noise amplifier and the bridge circuit. But I found it impossible to make the bridge frequency independent up to 30MHz. By putting the transformer between the bridge circuit and the detector I managed to make the readings reliable up to 30MHz.

For measuring earth resistance I connect the bridge between the bottom end of the loading coil and the earth connection, after disconnecting the transmitter from the coil.  The X-control is left at the zero position
The detector (receiver = "ontvanger " in Dutch) is tuned to 136.5kHz and the vacuum capacitor in parallel with the tuning coil and the R-control of the bridge tuned for minimum noise.  The minimum is so frequency-dependent that it becomes deeper as the bandwidth of the receiver is reduced!
The total resistance of the aerial system can then be read from the R-control. But for better accuracy I measure its value  with a digital multimeter.
From the value so found I subtract the loss resistance of the loading coil. What remains I call the earth resistance. Of course in that value are also included the radiation resistance and the resistance of the aerial and earth wire, But these quantities are negligible as compared to the earth resistance.

In the earth resistance will also be included losses in the aerial insulation and in the capacitance of the aerial to surrounding objects like trees (no trees in my case). But these losses are impossible to separate from the real earth resistance.

Measuring earth resistance at 50Hz has no meaning  for the loss at 136kHz because the earth resistance (impedance is more correct) is frequency dependent. At  low frequencies earth acts like a resistor, at high frequencies like a capacitor in parallel with a resistor.

I find the loss resistance of the loading coil with its tuning capacitor in parallel as follows.

I use my W & G signal generator and tracking selective voltmeter type PSM-5. The generator is connected to a one-turn loop that is positioned at some 35cm from the bottom end of the coil. An oscilloscope probe is connected to the level meter and hung near the top end of the coil. The aerial is replaced by a variable capacitor (broadcast receiver type). The PSM-5 is adjusted to 136500Hz and the variable capacitor tuned for maximum voltage over the coil and its value noted. The PSM-5 is then tuned higher and lower to the frequencies where the voltage over the coil has dropped to 0.707 (-3dB) of the maximum. The frequency difference between these two frequencies is B (I use a frequency counter to improve accuracy; B is rather small). This yields Q = 136.5/B (Q = 350 in my case).
The value C of the variable capacitor is then measured. This yields the reactance of the capacitor
X = 6.28 * f * C ohms.  Because there was resonance this is also the reactance of the loading coil in parallel with its tuning capacitor.
We now find for the loss resistance of the loading coil: R = X/Q.

My measurements support the findings by Alan Melia. The earth resistance is higher in winter than in summer and is maximum when the earth is soaked with water. When the water freezes the resistance goes down.

I hope this info is of some use.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28849 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 12:51:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 29 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 12:50:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:50:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MpG0-0007Ip-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:49:32 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MpFz-0007Ig-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:49:31 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 18049068 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:48:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c2a2a5$ff2df260$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c2a22b$b21e0340$a1307bd5@main> <001101c2a257$123f7bc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:48:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 136 Friday - Jason Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim, 137.500 looks clear here. Can't do anything before 2230, due to work, but I'd be happy to give it a try, at least for a while. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16533 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 12:17:00 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:17:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 28108 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 12:16:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:16:31 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MojH-000793-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:15:43 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MojG-00078t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:15:42 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Moiw-0003SK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:15:22 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Moiu-0005eT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:15:20 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213120942.00b1b6d8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:15:19 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001101c2a257$123f7bc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <001601c2a22b$b21e0340$a1307bd5@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: 136 Friday night? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear John, LF Group, At 03:23 13/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >If anyone wants to inhabit the 135.922 area, Dex and I are available on >Friday night - Saturday morning. Any takers? > >John Andrews, W1TAG I intend to do some Jason tests if you are interested - if anyone is planning to try QRSS at the same time, it would probably be better to use a different frequency, perhaps around 135.918kHz, or in the "digital" segment around 137.5kHz. Any preferences? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27780 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 12:14:27 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:14:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 5453 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 12:14:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 12:14:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mofv-000771-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:12:15 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mofu-00076s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:12:15 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-40.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.40] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mofs-000M3u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:12:12 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c2a2a1$11d807c0$28c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c2a290$c996f8a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:10:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re./ 75kHz HBG Plotting etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie said: > I agree with Peter, Dex's information is very useful,and certainly 73 > appears very stable. However it is still dependant on solar conditions,at > the moment Kp is very low but it is unlikely to remain low, as the Sun > rotates it might be another month before things are good again. > So now is the time for a cross band attempt. > Unfortunately I am still trying to catch up with sleep from our tues/wed. > night efforts. Yes, all night sessions put me in zombie mode for the following couple of days. I have only one long wire antenna My first 136 Xband with VE1ZJ was in September when the 14MHz band was open so I could use my minibeam. For the 'reverse' crossband 3.51MHz/136kHz I used the loop for 136 receive and the big antenna for transmitting. In the situation of 73kHz/3.5MHz I would have to use the same antenna for both. The only way I could do this would be to go down the garden and change over the antenna from the one transmitter to the other manually - not an impossible task However I think Laurie has a good separate 80m antenna. I think the USA LF team are concentrating on 136kHz tonight. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10175 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 11:56:54 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 11:56:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 28797 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 11:57:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 11:57:47 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MoOB-00070K-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:53:55 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MoOB-00070B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:53:55 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18MoMy-0001Oz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:52:40 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18MoMv-0005CD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:52:38 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213111720.00ae06f8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:52:36 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: References: <002301c2a1fb$c711f020$0504210a@c.scope> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: RE: LF: Antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Hugh, Gary, LF Group, I have used basically 2 methods to measure the loss resistance of an antenna. First is a straightforward "noise bridge" type of impedance measurement where the impedance of the antenna is compared to a reference resistor/capacitor combination. At LF, a CW source is a better idea than a noise source for the bridge excitation, due to the narrow bandwidths. A normal receiver can be used as null detector, but I use the SPM3 level meter with PS3 tracking generator - the ideal tools for the job. I resonate the antenna with a series L, and measure the resistance, rather than trying to balance the resistance and capacitance with the bridge. The main advantage of this is that the resonant antenna stops the poor SPM3 being blasted by the very strong MF broadcast signals at my QTH. The second method is an "on line"method, where I use a dual trace oscilloscope to measure the voltage and current (via a current transformer) at the feed point while transmitting - I also use this as a tuning aid. Of course, this gives you the total of the loss resistance of the antenna, the loading coil resistance, and the radiation resistance. The coil AC resistance can be measured in a separate experiment, and subtracted from the total. The radiation resistance is so small that it has no effect on the overall resistance. Rrad can either be determined by calculations using the antenna geometry, (see ON7YD's web pages, or use an antenna simulator like EZNEC), or inferred from field strength measurements - unfortunately, the latter shows that the former usually gives optimistic results! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32199 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 11:22:38 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 11:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 26020 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 11:22:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 11:22:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MnsZ-0006fp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:21:15 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MnsZ-0006fg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:21:15 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.204.172]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021213112113.SWPR29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:21:13 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c2a299$d15ca180$acccfc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:21:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73 KHz activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, having worked G3AQC;G3LDO;G3XDV;G3YXM and M0BMU during the last couple of weeks there seems to be a dearth of customers for GI. Is there anybody else who wants a QSO? Always ready to oblige. Ian MIØAYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32612 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 10:54:24 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 10:54:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1151 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 10:55:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 10:55:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MnT0-0006Uo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:54:50 +0000 Received: from [134.58.10.57] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MnSz-0006UD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:54:49 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gBDAsJSA079316 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:54:19 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021213095059.02bde040@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:01:07 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: References: <002301c2a1fb$c711f020$0504210a@c.scope> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: Antenna tests Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Hugh and Gary,

If you have a 136kHz TX it's rather easy : measure the antenna current and the TX output voltage, R = U/I. The calculated R is the total loss resistance + radiation resistance, but the last is far less than 1 Ohm so you can ignore it. If you want to know the ground loss (or better said environmental losses) you have to subtract the loss in the loading coil.
An more direct resistance measurement can be done using a Wheatstone bridge or something similar
 ("antenna analyzer"), have a look here for some construction ideas :
http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41522/bridge/bridge.html
http://www.lwca.org/library/articles/k0lr/lfanalyz/lfanalyz.htm
http://www.lwca.org/library/articles/k0lr/lfanalyz/mfj259.htm
http://www.geocities.com/df8zr/zx.html
Some interesting reading on ground loss at G3NYK's webpage : http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/aelossbr.htm

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 21:43 12/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hi Hugh,
 
Not a dumb question if you don't know the answer.
 
I would also like to know how to measure the earth resistance or series loss resistance of my antenna when it is finally completed and also what it tells us about the system.
 
73
 
Gary  G4WGT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g6tmk
Sent: 12 December 2002 16:29
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Antenna tests
Hi Dick and group,
Please forgive the dumb question ...
 
Dick wrote:
I measured the earth resistance at my station several times this year:

On the dry day of 6 April it was 21 ohm...
 
 
 
How did you measure the resistance ?
 
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19778 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 10:51:38 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 10:51:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29905 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 10:51:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 10:51:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MnPA-0006SS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MnPA-0006SJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from [134.47.162.190] by virus-in.online.no with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:50:13 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-209.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:50:12 +0100 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:50:12 +0100 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:50:12 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:50:12 +0100 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368FCE@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: LF: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Thread-Index: AcKhfDrGPpcq1OarQb2cpyAazJIxeQBGIUqg From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2002 10:50:12.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[69783E70:01C2A295] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: (Off Topic) PC mains filter for 136kHz interference Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Have a steady tone around 136.5kHz. It is definitely from my PC, and the level was much reduced when the frame aerial was moved out into the garden, but still I must switch off the PC when listening on certain parts of the band. Wonder if somebody has any experience in building mains filters for the PC ? 73, Jan_Martin LA8AK (in JO38XC) tel.: +47-380-87178 (52660) http://www.laud.no/la6nca/LA8AK/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30217 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 10:09:32 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 10:09:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 20842 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 10:09:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 10:09:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mmk6-0006JE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:08:26 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.210] (helo=cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mmk5-0006J5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:08:25 +0000 Received: from modem-44.north-carolina.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.84.44] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18Mmk4-0005OK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:08:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c2a290$c996f8a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:15:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re./ 75kHz HBG Plotting etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I agree with Peter, Dex's information is very useful,and certainly 73 appears very stable. However it is still dependant on solar conditions,at the moment Kp is very low but it is unlikely to remain low, as the Sun rotates it might be another month before things are good again. So now is the time for a cross band attempt. Unfortunately I am still trying to catch up with sleep from our tues/wed. night efforts. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27222 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 09:54:19 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 09:54:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 11810 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 09:55:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 09:55:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MmWe-0006Ew-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:54:32 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.174] (helo=cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MmWd-0006En-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:54:31 +0000 Received: from modem-112.aragorn.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.118.112] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18MmWc-0001NK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:54:31 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c2a28e$d89822e0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:02:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re. LF Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Hugh,Gary, The efficiency of all antennas depends on three resistances Rrad.the radiation resistance determined mainly by the height of the vertical section,formulas for calculating this in various text books.However it is unlikely to exceed 0.1 ohm probably 0.01 ohm especially on 73kHz.The earth loss resistance which depends on many factors and which is the RF loss resistance not the DC resistance although they are related.It must be measured at the frequency in use since there is more or less ground penetration ,more at low frequencies. Finally the environment loss resistance due to trees structures etc close to the antenna. As Alan says a simple bridge can be used to measure this TOTAL resistance,which is unlikely to be less than 25 ohms in am amateur situation and may well exceed 100 ohms. Since radiated power depends on the current in the Antenna (vert sect) it is important but difficult to reduce this resistance. Hope this helps, mail me direct if I can explain more at length. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31803 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 07:41:53 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 07:41:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 15351 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 07:42:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 07:42:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MkSR-0005wB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:42:03 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MkSR-0005w2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:42:03 +0000 Received: from jackie ([217.137.94.2]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021213074145.XOBN277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@jackie> for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:41:45 +0000 Message-ID: <004401c2a27b$88f91ea0$025e89d9@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:44:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: G4WGT To: Sent: 12 December 2002 21:43 Subject: RE: LF: Antenna tests > Hi Hugh, > > Not a dumb question if you don't know the answer. > > I would also like to know how to measure the earth resistance or series loss > resistance of my antenna when it is finally completed and also what it tells > us about the system. As opposed to a floating rf bridge, there's some stuff on G4FGQ's site - a couple of progs related to earthing resistance issues. They include copious notes, including describing measuring soil rho with 50Hz low voltage, then calculating earth resistance. Does this work - are the results reasonable? It seems to me that earth resistance in isolation is not all that valuable - the ratio of radiation resistance to earth and total loss resistance feels more useful. Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13138 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 03:27:25 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 03:27:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16118 invoked by uid 10001); 13 Dec 2002 03:28:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 03:28:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MgRA-0005O5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:24:28 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.26] (helo=mx16.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MgR9-0005Nw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:24:27 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx16.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 7445781 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c2a257$123f7bc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c2a22b$b21e0340$a1307bd5@main> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:23:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 136 Friday night? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group If anyone wants to inhabit the 135.922 area, Dex and I are available on Friday night - Saturday morning. Any takers? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1150 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 00:28:52 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 00:28:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 17019 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 00:28:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 00:28:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mdfs-0004wl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:27:28 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mdfr-0004wc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:27:27 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-226.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.226] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mdfq-000Egz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:27:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2a23e$9aa6f420$e21686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3DF9020F.C2F0142@att.net> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:28:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 75KHz HBG Plotting, New and Improved, same price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dexter, your HBG plot is most interesting and shows a greater stability of signal strength over the night period than on 136kHz. This implies that a cross-band QSO/HF would be possible even with the long transmission times associated with 73kHz experiments. Furthermore, the way you have made this information available makes it very useful for real time monitoring of conditions. What signal strength level on your plot indicates an 'opening' on 72kHz? Does the Rugby RTTY station on 73.2kHz follow the same pattern? > The HBG plotting is now running on a complete dedicated system. The > graph is now calibrated and reads actual input power into the 75 ohm > terminated input of the HP SLM. I finally figured out how to use the > 100 db dynamic range of this instrument. The output tracks perfectly > with Spectrum Lab. The antenna is a 3.3 meter square loop with no > amplification. > > The plot is uploaded every 5 minuets to: > > http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg.jpg Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21607 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 22:48:38 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 22:48:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 24686 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 22:48:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 22:48:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mc6p-0004cQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:11 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mc6o-0004cH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:47:11 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h026181.nexo.es [195.235.26.181]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA19691 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:46:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000e01c2a230$37f61800$b51aebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:44:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signals Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Group:
 
Unidentified QRSS3 signals at 22.35 on 137700.
 
73 de José, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21145 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 22:15:14 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 22:15:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 5274 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 22:14:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 22:14:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mbar-0004WX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:14:09 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mbar-0004WO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:14:09 +0000 Received: from host213-123-48-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.123.48.161] helo=main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Mbaq-0003zn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:14:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c2a22b$b21e0340$a1307bd5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:13:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Finbar EI0CF measured one of our spiral evolutions under several different weather conditions. Finbar's site is right on the shore of Trawbreager Bay so he has sea water close at hand. When we had increased the top load the ground loss was ultimately reduced to about 20 ohms in normal (dry) conditions. As one might expect when it was actually raining, a high loss resistance was measured. (There would have been a water film over the plastic coated wire used. ) This loss reduced immediately the rain stopped, but the loss resistance still remained about twice the normal "dry" value. Even long after the rain has ceased the loss stayed high whilst the ground was still freshly wet. The measured loss did not return to normal for about 24 hours afterwards. I assume fresh rainwater has a high permittivity and also a high resistance. Over time salts will disolve into the wet mass reducing its resistivity. These measurements are still in my file as I had not yet decided how to explain the results. However in view of "corroborating" evidence I will see if I can pull then together. All measurements were done using a simple RF bridge described on my web site. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20261 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 21:43:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 21:43:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 4909 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 21:43:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 21:43:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mb6b-0004Oq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:42:53 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mb6W-0004O6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:42:49 +0000 Received: from [213.40.203.197] (helo=tcs1) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18Mb5x-0006So-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:42:13 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:43:30 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <002301c2a1fb$c711f020$0504210a@c.scope> Subject: RE: LF: Antenna tests Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Hugh,
 
Not a dumb question if you don't know the answer.
 
I would also like to know how to measure the earth resistance or series loss resistance of my antenna when it is finally completed and also what it tells us about the system.
 
73
 
Gary  G4WGT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of g6tmk
Sent: 12 December 2002 16:29
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Antenna tests

Hi Dick and group,
Please forgive the dumb question ...
 
Dick wrote:
I measured the earth resistance at my station several times this year:

On the dry day of 6 April it was 21 ohm...

 
 
 
How did you measure the resistance ?
 
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1614 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 21:40:04 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 21:40:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 11163 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 21:39:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 21:39:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mb3L-0004LH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:31 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mb3L-0004L6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:31 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021212214016.HJLM20452.host3@att.net>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:40:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF9020F.C2F0142@att.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:27 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" , "LowFER" Subject: LF: 75KHz HBG Plotting, New and Improved, same price! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The HBG plotting is now running on a complete dedicated system. The graph is now calibrated and reads actual input power into the 75 ohm terminated input of the HP SLM. I finally figured out how to use the 100 db dynamic range of this instrument. The output tracks perfectly with Spectrum Lab. The antenna is a 3.3 meter square loop with no amplification. The plot is uploaded every 5 minuets to: http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/hbg.jpg The daily plot will be stored in the 75 khz directory at: http://www.w4dex.com/75khz/ If there is blank data for a period it will probably be due to shutting down during thunderstorms. I would like to run on this signal through the winter solstice. Then I could change to whatever signal is deemed to be useful. Comments and or suggestions will be appreciated. My thanks to Wolf for Spectrum Lab and his assistance. Dexter, W4DEX www.w4dex.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1570 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 21:40:01 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 21:40:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 3008 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 21:39:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Mb2r-0004Kw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:01 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Mb2r-0004Kn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:01 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Mb2q-0001DM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01c2a226$fe917e00$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: F6CWA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear all. I have just received a message from Hube F6CWA. He will be on 136 from Dec 28th to Jan 5th with "new crystals". He is looking for as many QSOs as possible on CW and QRSS. His locator is JN24NI. By the way... I shall be in GM over this period so look out for GM3YXM/P as well! 73 Dave G3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7822 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 17:14:59 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 17:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 10410 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 17:14:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 17:14:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MWr0-0003rD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:10:30 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.223] (helo=marstons.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MWqz-0003qz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:10:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 1951 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 16:33:43 -0000 Received: from modem-71-60-60-62.vip.uk.com (HELO hugh) (62.60.60.71) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:33:43 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c2a1fb$c711f020$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212165446.009edbe0@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:29:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna tests Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Dick and group,
Please forgive the dumb question ...
 
Dick wrote:
I measured the earth resistance at my station several times this year:

On the dry day of 6 April it was 21 ohm...

 
 
 
How did you measure the resistance ?
 
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 746 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 16:31:57 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:31:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 29652 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Dec 2002 16:31:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:31:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MWEd-0003k3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:30:51 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MWEd-0003ju-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:30:51 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.214]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021212163049.HTDL21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:30:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c2a1fb$c8cdf800$d6e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:27:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: skeleton Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Does anyone have info about a Marconi receiver called Skeleton Receiver. This is a large professional rx cw, ssb(U or L) dsb, several selectable ant inputs bnc type.
range 0 - 30 khz hf. Testing it out on LF
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1043 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 16:07:13 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:07:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 6139 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 16:06:45 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:06:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MVpL-00038E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:04:43 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MVpK-000370-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:04:42 +0000 Received: from [62.21.130.71] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18MVpE-0000hV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021212165446.009edbe0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:08:16 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <4AD4D6A4.09E498F5.28FF0FBC@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna tests Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Markus wrote:

Though I normaly really dislike the cold weather (as does my 17-year-old Golf Diesel which is supposed to take me to work), the one good thing about frost is the improving LF-antenna performance. Series loss resistance goes down by 1 to 2dB, and surprisingly, in addition to that I seem to get another 1dB from increased effective antenna height, as measured by comparing received voltage against a non-resonant loop. There are a few high fir trees in the vicinity of the aerial, and I assume that under heavy frost, the shunt conductance of the trunks falls below the capacity of the tree crowns, so that electrostatic shielding is significantly reduced.
I measured the earth resistance at my station several times this year:

On the dry day of 6 April it was 21 ohm

On rainy day 5 May I measured 36 ohm

After a period of prolonged rain I found on 16 November 66 ohm

After several days of frost I found today 12 December 28 ohm.

There are no trees around.

The water table here is at about - 0.8m.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16978 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:33:47 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:33:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27515 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:34:36 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:34:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MRbG-0002Jo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:33:54 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.35] (helo=imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MRbF-0002JW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:33:54 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.a9.33894ea5 (15875) for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-d19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.139.135]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v90.10) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-1212063321; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:33:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:33:21 -0500 From: MarkusVester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4AD4D6A4.09E498F5.28FF0FBC@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Subject: LF: Antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUPERLONG_LINEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alan and group, thanks for the fb report and pics about my tests and QSO with OH1BS on 137.0kHz yesterday night. Though I normaly really dislike the cold weather (as does my 17-year-old Golf Diesel which is supposed to take me to work), the one good thing about frost is the improving LF-antenna performance. Series loss resistance goes down by 1 to 2dB, and surprisingly, in addition to that I seem to get another 1dB from increased effective antenna height, as measured by comparing received voltage against a non-resonant loop. There are a few high fir trees in the vicinity of the aerial, and I assume that under heavy frost, the shunt conductance of the trunks falls below the capacity of the tree crowns, so that electrostatic shielding is significantly reduced. In yesterday's tests, I got up to 2.7A into the 220pF top load from 160W, but visible corona appeared at the ends of the thin wires (two parallel lines of 0.5mm enameled copper having U-shaped end connections). After adding extra short pieces of crosswire at the end of the leg that was most affected, I can now safely run 2.5A (about 13kVeff). Still amazed that Peter manages to get up more than 4A at 73kHz ;-) 73 es all the best Markus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13542 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 08:48:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 08:48:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 8731 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 08:48:20 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 08:48:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MP02-0001tx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:47:18 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MP02-0001to-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:47:18 +0000 Received: from [212.1.135.38] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18MOqE-0000hm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:37:10 +0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:47:00 -0000 Message-ID: <01C2A1BB.08F49C40.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:46:57 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RE: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group And don't forget the 144MHz programmable repeater shift for listen though on MB7LF. Or the 100 Hz digital voice option :-| Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Johan Bodin [SMTP:sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se] Sent: 2002/12/11 16:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment > Could you please tell me if you know any off-the-shelf (or easy to use) > amateur equipment that would be suitable for doing that (even if i still > have to customize the equipement) ? Yaecomwood has what you are looking for. Check out FT-IC-TS-136K, a nice handheld transceiver with 25,000 memories, 1MW output and an integrated CFA antenna. Batteries included. Soft carrying case, DTMF microphone and rechargeable battery + charger are available as optional accessories... :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11578 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 23:00:08 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 23:00:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 9503 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 22:59:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 22:59:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MFos-0000nj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:59:10 +0000 Received: from [130.244.199.130] (helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MFor-0000na-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:59:09 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.38.66]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20021211225908.BZDH20000.fep02-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:59:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c2a169$12dff3a0$422665d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211130911.00aa87b0@pop.sapo.pt> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:24:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Could you please tell me if you know any off-the-shelf (or easy to use) > amateur equipment that would be suitable for doing that (even if i still > have to customize the equipement) ? Yaecomwood has what you are looking for. Check out FT-IC-TS-136K, a nice handheld transceiver with 25,000 memories, 1MW output and an integrated CFA antenna. Batteries included. Soft carrying case, DTMF microphone and rechargeable battery + charger are available as optional accessories... :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29039 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 22:36:34 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 22:36:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 17227 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 22:36:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 22:36:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MFSW-0000hN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:36:04 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.147] (helo=einsteinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MFSV-0000hE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:36:03 +0000 Received: from host62-6-68-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.68.57] helo=main) by einsteinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18MFSV-0005jm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:36:03 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c2a165$a391b7c0$3944063e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:35:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PSK DF6NM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Ah I just answered my own question as the local noises drifted away I realised i could copy the "marks" at about S6 and then a CW ID and it was Markus DF6NM. I dont know whether he was working anyone as I did not fire up SpectrumLab. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 419 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 22:17:07 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 22:17:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 14122 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 22:16:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 22:16:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18MF8n-0000bu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:15:41 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18MF8n-0000bl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:15:41 +0000 Received: from host62-6-68-57.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.68.57] helo=main) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18MF8m-0000cM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:15:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c2a162$ca548980$3944063e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:07:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: PSK01 (??) on 137.0kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all I am receiving a very strange signal on 137.00 it is about 1Hz wide and has all the look on Argo of a PSK signal. It is not very strong but it is under some fairly heavy local qrm. Vy interesting. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29262 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 15:46:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 15:46:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25406 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 15:46:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 15:46:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M93F-0007qX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:45:33 +0000 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M93E-0007qO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:45:33 +0000 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu01.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.113]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA3df75d172a1e for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:43:19 +0600 (OS) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:43:49 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <003601c2a11b$eda99ca0$1700a8c0@home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Dave and Group. On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Dave Pick wrote: > 1 MW sounds interesting for 5W ERP. Is he using a CFA? If anybody use CFA he realy need 1 MW TX for 5 W ERP. hi... hi... hi... With normal antenna 5 or 10 kW seems to be adequate. If antenna is small and it is bad enviroment... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19901 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 15:30:18 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 15:30:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 13909 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 15:30:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 15:30:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M8mR-0007l2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:11 +0000 Received: from [206.46.170.210] (helo=pop017.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M8mQ-0007jV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:10 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.160.139]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021211152736.OXGZ1532.pop017.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:27:36 -0600 Message-ID: <3DF75976.4050809@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:27:50 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211130911.00aa87b0@pop.sapo.pt> <003601c2a11b$eda99ca0$1700a8c0@home> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [141.156.160.139] at Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:27:36 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave Pick wrote: > Brian. > > I got this mail as well. > 1 MW sounds interesting for 5W ERP. Is he using a CFA? > > Dave G3YXM. > I get these kinds of requests quite often from college students who have been assigned some end-of-year thesis, and have no idea what this is all about ! The best solution I have found so far is to suggest that they purchase (in this case) the RSGB LF Handbook, or the ARRL Handbook for questions of a more general nature :-) 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5975 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 14:12:06 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 14:12:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 4074 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 14:11:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 14:11:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M7aI-0007Ti-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:11:34 +0000 Received: from [195.126.176.194] (helo=obelix.hk-zwenkau.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M7aI-0007TZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:11:34 +0000 Received: from hk-zwenkau.de ([192.1.25.131]) by obelix.hk-zwenkau.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00995 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:23:30 +0100 Message-ID: <3DF745E0.BA46CB7F@hk-zwenkau.de> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:04:16 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Wollschl=E4ger?= Organization: Helios Klinik Zwenkau X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321u (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211130911.00aa87b0@pop.sapo.pt> <003601c2a11b$eda99ca0$1700a8c0@home> Subject: Re: LF: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave Pick schrieb: > Brian. > > I got this mail as well. > 1 MW sounds interesting for 5W ERP. Is he using a CFA? > > Dave G3YXM. > > I'm also intrested in this. Mike DL2LQB eMail: wollm@hk-zwenkau.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27833 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 14:08:23 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 14:08:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 29156 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 14:07:55 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 14:07:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M7VZ-0007QU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:06:41 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M7VY-0007QL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:06:41 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021211140726.NBOE17107.host3@att.net> for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:07:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF74666.5347858F@att.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:06:30 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: 73 KHz T/A of 11 DEC 2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH_2,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Good signals from G3AQC and G3LDO into North Carolina last night on 72.4 KHz even with moderate QRN. One capture with notes can be seen at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/11dec02/72khz11dec02.jpg The overnight captures are posted in a directory at: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/11dec02/ Maybe there are other signals there that can be identified by their owner. BTW, this reception was made with the recently repaired SPM-19. Thanks again Jim! Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4777 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 13:48:14 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 13:48:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 21752 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 13:47:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 13:47:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M7Cl-0007Kl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:15 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M7Cj-0007Kc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:13 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18M7Ci-0005H6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c2a11b$eda99ca0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211130911.00aa87b0@pop.sapo.pt> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:48:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,DEAR_SOMETHING,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Brian. I got this mail as well. 1 MW sounds interesting for 5W ERP. Is he using a CFA? Dave G3YXM. > > > Dear Sir, > > i saw some pics of your incredible equipment (pics from year 2000) for LF > operation. > > As i am not a radio specialist, i need help: i have to setup tests for high > power transmission in the 50--150 kHz range: i have to achieve 5 W ERP, > with 1 MW or more amplifier output power. > > Could you please tell me if you know any off-the-shelf (or easy to use) > amateur equipment that would be suitable for doing that (even if i still > have to customize the equipement) ? > > Thank you very much, > > Sincerely, > > Guillaume > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Guillaume Asselot > gsm +33 6 61 55 61 49 > tel. +33 4 68 87 33 50 > fax. 04 68 87 26 57 > email gasselot@hotmail.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27742 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 13:17:30 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 13:17:30 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 11955 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 13:17:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 13:17:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M6iE-0007Bs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:15:42 +0000 Received: from [194.65.79.75] (helo=sapo.pt) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M6iD-0007Bj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:15:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 25738 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 13:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (194.65.79.72) by relay1.ptm.pt with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 13:15:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 14915 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2002 13:15:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO slave-6.sapo.pt) (as1117094@sapo.pt@[213.13.224.96]) (envelope-sender ) by sapo.pt (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Dec 2002 13:15:30 -0000 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20021211130911.00aa87b0@pop.sapo.pt> X-Sender: as1117094@sapo.pt@pop.sapo.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:16:51 +0000 To: gasselot@hotmail.com, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: (Off Topic) Transmitting Equipment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,DEAR_SOMETHING,DIRECT_EMAIL,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: *** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Guillaume, I am sending a copy of your question to me to the LF group, as there are many far better qualified to help including professional engineers in this area. I am sure you will receive any help available by direct e-mail. With best wishes, Brian X-From_: gasselot@hotmail.com Wed Dec 11 10:33:44 2002 X-Originating-IP: [81.48.76.252] From: "Guillaume ASSELOT" To: brian@esoterica.pt Subject: high power VLF/LF equipment .. Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:33:35 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2002 10:33:36.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2D2C4E0:01C2A100] Dear Sir, i saw some pics of your incredible equipment (pics from year 2000) for LF operation. As i am not a radio specialist, i need help: i have to setup tests for high power transmission in the 50--150 kHz range: i have to achieve 5 W ERP, with 1 MW or more amplifier output power. Could you please tell me if you know any off-the-shelf (or easy to use) amateur equipment that would be suitable for doing that (even if i still have to customize the equipement) ? Thank you very much, Sincerely, Guillaume _____________________________________________________ Guillaume Asselot gsm +33 6 61 55 61 49 tel. +33 4 68 87 33 50 fax. 04 68 87 26 57 email gasselot@hotmail.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27374 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 12:52:21 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 12:52:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 10822 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 12:51:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 12:51:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M6KO-00075y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:04 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.21] (helo=dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M6KO-00075p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:04 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 10466409 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c2a113$e3f17d20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c2a102$f74fbdc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:50:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group For those who may have missed it, I have left one of the better captures from this morning at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18530 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 12:18:29 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 12:18:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 16199 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 12:18:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 12:18:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M5oA-0006yR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:46 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.47] (helo=mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M5oA-0006yI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:46 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021211121746.LUSY9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c2a10f$74a5cec0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c2a102$f74fbdc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:18:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group G3AQC wrote: > I had tweaked the trimmer that tunes the xtal in the DFCW oscillator, in > order to avoid Mikes transmission. > This was a big mistake since the oscillator which has been stable for a year > or more started to drift up and down. > looks like I'm stuck at .401 Sorry to have inadvertantly caused a problem. My ERP is so tiny that I really didn't expect to achieve anything (though I have always attempted the 'impossible' in amateur radio and have sometimes been surprised by a success). I can transmit anywhere in 0.25Hz steps, so I will try to avoid 72.401 in future. In the meantime, I may be QRT for a while on 73kHz as my antenna current is now zero. Not yet investigated yet but the antenna works fine on receive, so I suspect that the FETs did not like 360s dashes! I really like the Argo screen shots posted by W4DEX and W1TAG. They provide almost real time feedback. Now I have an 'always on' connection to the web I may try posting my own screen when the rig is not in use. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1013 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 12:10:38 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 12:10:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 26244 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 12:10:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 12:10:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M5ft-0006ub-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:09:13 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.14] (helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M5ft-0006uF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:09:13 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 40011857 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:08:42 -0500 Message-ID: <004c01c2a10e$0b5921c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c2a102$f74fbdc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:08:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Agreeing with Peter and Laurie, I've got to say that it WAS an interesting night. The Kp index was at 1.67 (per NOAA) through most of the period. I didn't get home until 0200, and copy here had been poor to that point. It looks like I had some local noise problems in the early evening here. At 0245, while chatting with Dex, the signals just took off, and were present all night. Nice roller coaster, Laurie! The only constant so far is that Dex and I are unlikely to have good copy at the same time. We're about 1000 km apart. Looks like bad wx is coming in here tonight, with ice likely. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26361 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 11:49:43 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 11:49:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10057 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 11:49:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 11:49:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M5MN-0006n4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:49:03 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M5MM-0006mv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:49:02 +0000 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 11:49:00 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.167.28] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 846gLkLW60221M28; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:48:57 GMT Message-ID: <3DF725DC.6040908@usa.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:47:40 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c29f81$588b0aa0$a9e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <3DF4B0DA.3040905@usa.net> <000001c2a086$4b60eba0$38c828c3@erica> Subject: Re: LF: argo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group g3ldo wrote: >I got round to downloading Argo 131 at last but I when I start up I get the >message > >" is not a valid integer > >The screen display is then shown and when a signal is input to the soundcard >the green signal level indicator works but the waterfall display does not. I >then get the message > >log 10 DOMAIN error. > > Hi Peter, I suspect that those error messages are caused by Argo 131 trying to interpret the settings it finds in the registry, and which were meant for build 119, which you were using previously. I coded a test for such cases inside the program, but maybe it fails to catch all the occurrences. If you feel comfortable with editing the Windows Registry, you could try to delete the key : [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Argo] If still it doesn't work, then further debugging will be needed. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5323 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 11:10:47 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 11:10:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 5327 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 11:10:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 11:10:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M4kM-0006cM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:09:46 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M4kL-0006cD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:09:45 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.67]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021211110943.VANS19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:09:43 +0000 Message-ID: <005a01c2a105$c21d3e40$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:43:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Empfanger banger Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Everyone so far has guessed correctly. The above machine EE430 is in fact an Eddystone made in England. It does not look like the conventional Eddystone receivers. It is a heavy solid RX and works very well on both cw and ssb. I do not have a h/book but it appears to use a phase locked system and very stable. Its not that much bigger than a FT1000 but a bit older !!
Most of these ex surplus receivers work better on LF than the average modern transceiver except you have a preamp up front.
I have found the IC 706 very poor on LF receive except you have a very good LF resonant antenna
and a front end preamp. A 706 with a Decca preamp works, The Yaesu Ft  847 is not very good either on LF, both these models suffer from lack of sensitivity. Both models tested have the proper narrow cw filters fitted. All other transceiver models available on the market that cover LF seem to work better. I have tested most of them. The Level meter receivers are very good on LF especially the synthised type for stability, but you need a large shack, they are usually big and heavy !!
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19395 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 10:41:47 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 10:41:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 12350 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 10:41:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 10:41:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M4II-0006U1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:40:46 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.174] (helo=cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M4II-0006Ts-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:40:46 +0000 Received: from modem-16.mississippi.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.75.16] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18M4IH-0001N9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:40:45 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c2a102$f74fbdc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Like Peter I found last night exciting. I saw good signals on Dex's capture at 2350 when I was about to close down and go to bed. So I decided to stay up ! I had tweaked the trimmer that tunes the xtal in the DFCW oscillator, in order to avoid Mikes transmission. This was a big mistake since the oscillator which has been stable for a year or more started to drift up and down. This was worsened when I decided at about 0240 to shift down again to get into Johns passband. Still good captures from both John and Dex. Interesting to see that signals a bit stronger at Johns location (a lot nearer than Dex), first time I have had reports from two T/A locations at the same time. Thanks also to Jose and Alberto for reports. Will have to check Kp for the period. Now I have to stabilise that oscillator, don't think I will shift again ! looks like I'm stuck at .401 .Now I need some sleep !!! I finally got to bed about 0400 (transmission ceased at 0640) but I would'nt have missed it . 73 Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19802 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 09:51:43 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 09:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 17147 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 09:52:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 09:52:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M3Wt-0006KX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:51:47 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M3Wt-0006KO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:51:47 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-129.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.129] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M3Ws-000GRI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:51:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2a0fb$1af69bc0$811686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2a083$92a5e220$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <3DF657CC.4DEE69F1@att.net> <000701c2a09c$8d5b2be0$1ac828c3@erica> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:49:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group That was quite an exciting night. Started transmitting at 2200 on Tuesday night and later was getting reports from John and Dex through their website postings. I decided to go to bed at 0100 and went down to the transmitter shed and switched off the PA and exciter PSU. Came back into the house shack and checked the web sites only to find good signals from Laurie and myself on the screen. Hurriedly switched the transmitter back on and found the exciter on 72.4007. after half an hour it was getting back to its nominal frequency of 72.4004 antenna. By 0200 I was getting really tired and was considering leaving the transmitter on while I went to bed and decided on a final check. I looked through the back window of the house and was alarmed to see a flickering red glow coming from the direction of the loading coil. It turned out to be coming from the garden of the house bejond the thick tall hedge the other side of the coil and was caused by a 10ft high internally illuminated inflatable Father Christmas bobbing about in the wind. The kind of Christmas tack that people festoon their houses with is getting a bit silly! I left the transmitter on all night and both John and Dex were receiving signals until after it got ligh here in the UK. I shut down at 0845 and John received the last 'O'. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16474 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 09:16:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 09:16:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 4126 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 09:16:16 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 09:16:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M2tN-0006Al-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:10:57 +0000 Received: from [192.108.125.37] (helo=ns3.swh.sk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M2tL-0006AY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:10:56 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id gBB9Al109804 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:10:48 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA23407 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:10:39 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:10:36 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D69FD3@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:10:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: OM2TW back again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all... After a few months of QRT, I'm back on 136kHz. I'll be on the band this weekend (CW and QRSS) again. Any skeds are welcome. Best regards...73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3615 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 09:08:39 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 09:08:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18653 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 09:08:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 09:08:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18M2mp-00069p-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:04:11 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18M2mo-00069g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:04:10 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-017.fen-net.de [212.204.116.17]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gBB913vt024040 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:01:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004701c2a0f5$1807ef00$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:09:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A 72KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hallo, good signals from Peter and Laurie last eve and this morning here near Erlangen/Nuernberg (JN59NO).
About 35dB over noise.
 
73 Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12640 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 01:29:20 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 01:29:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4360 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 01:28:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 01:28:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Lvfe-0005Mn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:28:18 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Lvfd-0005Me-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:28:17 +0000 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 01:28:14 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.181.175] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 955gLkBCD0392M30; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:28:03 GMT Message-ID: <3DF6945F.5090004@usa.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:26:55 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c29f81$588b0aa0$a9e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <3DF4B0DA.3040905@usa.net> <000001c2a086$4b60eba0$38c828c3@erica> Subject: LF: Double show on 73kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030101000208070009060303" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030101000208070009060303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good signals from both G3LDO and G3AQC tonight on 73kHz.
>>From the capture it looks like G3AQC had a slight frequency stability
problem at the beginning of the tranmission.

This time I used the 20m rotatable dipole, which, being higher, picks
up almost no man-made noise on LF.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 00:59:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 7808 invoked by uid 10001); 11 Dec 2002 00:58:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 00:58:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LvCn-0005Gl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:58:29 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LvCn-0005Gc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:58:29 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021211005942.KWIA870.host4@att.net> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:59:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF68DB0.8E676605@att.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:58:24 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c2a0af$5fdaf020$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, If you could slide down about .2 Hz you would be in John's window. http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5338 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 00:48:00 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 00:48:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 17954 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 00:47:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 00:47:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Lv2D-0005CX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:47:33 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Lv2D-0005CO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:47:33 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021211004836.KSFK870.host4@att.net> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF68B12.25701B02@att.net> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:47:14 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c2a0af$5fdaf020$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group QSL. I'll keep it running and posting to: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/72khz.jpg Laurie Mayhead wrote: > > Hi Dex, > I see from your 2350 capture that you are getting some of my transmission > also traces of Peter,so I will continue to transmit for a few hours (all > being well) hoping that things will pick up. Running 4.8 amps into 13m high > vertical with big top load. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22271 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 00:43:26 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 00:43:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 14706 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 00:43:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 00:43:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LuxF-00058w-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:42:25 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LuxE-00058n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:42:24 +0000 Received: from modem-108.belegaer.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.137.108] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18LuxD-0001ol-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:42:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c2a0af$5fdaf020$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:36:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Dex, I see from your 2350 capture that you are getting some of my transmission also traces of Peter,so I will continue to transmit for a few hours (all being well) hoping that things will pick up. Running 4.8 amps into 13m high vertical with big top load. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4575 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 23:36:38 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 23:36:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 16033 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 23:36:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 23:36:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ltui-0004zk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:35:44 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ltui-0004zb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:35:44 +0000 Received: from Iian ([62.252.208.83]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021210233542.VIXU21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@Iian> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:35:42 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c2a0a5$2d2f0760$53d0fc3e@gi8ayz> From: "IAN KYLE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c29ac4$dd7fc140$fdccfc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:37:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73 khz tonite Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just for the ducks of it I am currently sending AYZ in QRSS60 a couple of hertz below LDO. Will send twice - but don't expect any replies!
 
73 de.
 
Ian MI0ayz
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21292 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 23:21:01 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 23:21:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 12819 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 23:20:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 23:20:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LtfZ-0004vQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:20:05 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LtfZ-0004vH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:20:05 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h028030.nexo.es [195.235.28.30]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA00960 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:20:04 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003d01c2a0a2$9f7e5d00$1e1cebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c2a09d$a2522fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:19:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp.bankinter.es id AAA00960 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All: Very strong signals, as usual, from Peter on 72400.37 and Laurie on 72401.24 for dots and 72401.33 for dash. Laurie´s signals has initial drif and are out of the John´s passband. 73 de José, EA1PX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: LF: 73kHz T/A > Hi Dex,Mike, Peter, > I will join in tonight for an hour or so on 72,401.45kHz > hopefully clear of Mike and Peter but within Dex's pass band. > 73 Laurie. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15131 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 22:39:35 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 22:39:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 7494 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 22:39:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 22:39:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Lsy2-0004kD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:35:06 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Lsy2-0004k4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:35:06 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-26.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.26] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Lsy1-000905-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:35:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2a09c$8d5b2be0$1ac828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2a083$92a5e220$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> <3DF657CC.4DEE69F1@att.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:35:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > > I completed the move of my best receive loop to hopefully a quieter > location. It is now about 100 meters from the house. I am still > receiving QRN from a few storms about 500 km to my south east. However > the strikes are not very frequent so maybe if your signals do make it > this far Argo will be able to pull them out. > > > The window I am watching is 72.4000 to 72.4015 Sounds fine. Transmitting now. Tx frequency 72.40037 antenna current 4.2A Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19215 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 22:39:27 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 22:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 11019 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 22:39:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 22:39:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LsyL-0004kQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:35:25 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LsyK-0004kH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:35:24 +0000 Received: from modem-58.arossiach.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.126.186] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18LsyK-0002kk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:35:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2a09d$a2522fc0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:42:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Dex,Mike, Peter, I will join in tonight for an hour or so on 72,401.45kHz hopefully clear of Mike and Peter but within Dex's pass band. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29564 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 21:09:40 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 21:09:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6625 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 21:09:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 21:09:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LrcH-0004Xg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:08:33 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LrcG-0004XX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:08:33 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021210210918.CJXB17107.host3@att.net> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:09:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF657CC.4DEE69F1@att.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:08:28 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c2a083$92a5e220$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: LF: 73kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mike and Peter, I completed the move of my best receive loop to hopefully a quieter location. It is now about 100 meters from the house. I am still receiving QRN from a few storms about 500 km to my south east. However the strikes are not very frequent so maybe if your signals do make it this far Argo will be able to pull them out. I will do periodic uploads of my screen to: http://www.w4dex.com/argo/72khz.jpg The window I am watching is 72.4000 to 72.4015 GL, Dex Mike Dennison wrote: > > Drunk with this success, and very much as a long shot, I will transmit 'XDV' > for DX viewers at the same time as Peter tonight at 2200 on 72.401kHz. This > will take just over an hour at QRSS120. My best one-way DX has been IK5ZPV > who copied my QRSS3 a couple of years ago at 1200km. > > Mike, G3XDV > http://www.lf.thersgb.net > ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18032 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 19:56:37 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:56:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4573 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 19:56:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:56:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LqTr-0004NG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:55:47 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LqTq-0004N7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:55:46 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-56.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.56] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LqTp-000Elk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:55:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2a086$4b60eba0$38c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c29f81$588b0aa0$a9e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <3DF4B0DA.3040905@usa.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:34:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: argo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alberto I got round to downloading Argo 131 at last but I when I start up I get the message " is not a valid integer The screen display is then shown and when a signal is input to the soundcard the green signal level indicator works but the waterfall display does not. I then get the message log 10 DOMAIN error. I get the same message when I loaded Argo 131 on to my laptop. Both machines are older Pentiums that run Argo 119 OK Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7474 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 19:37:57 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:37:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 2035 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 19:37:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:37:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LqB9-0004Ep-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:36:27 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LqB9-0004Eg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:36:27 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021210193626.EHCD2181.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:36:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2a083$92a5e220$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:37:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group On the third attempt, MI0AYZ and I have completed a two-way 73kHz QSO using QRSS10. We are both running QRP at around 25mW ERP. This brings my two-way country total to 4 (G, GD, GU and GI) which I believe is a record for this band. As far as I know, only one other country has been active - GW - but I could not have worked that station because it was me! Ian has generated some much needed interest in the band recently, and he has almost run out of people to work. Drunk with this success, and very much as a long shot, I will transmit 'XDV' for DX viewers at the same time as Peter tonight at 2200 on 72.401kHz. This will take just over an hour at QRSS120. My best one-way DX has been IK5ZPV who copied my QRSS3 a couple of years ago at 1200km. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23470 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 19:37:25 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:37:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 23071 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 19:37:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:37:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LqBT-0004F6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:36:47 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LqBS-0004Ew-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:36:46 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b2) for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:36:28 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c2a083$91680af0$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2a07e$6360b1c0$33cdfc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:37:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Empfanger Banger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Mal and all, Surprised to see this made almost in your backyard! Looks awesome, though. Found photos of both versions at http://home.t-online.de/home/Hbusch/ee430.htm 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "hamilton mal" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: LF: Empfanger Banger I bought a couple of receivers today for LF one is a empfanger recepteur Blu EE 430 and what a performer on LF. the other is a Plessey PR 1551G also good on LF. I am getting to the stage now where I can almost hear stations before they come on air !!!!!! We all know German technology and workmanship is excellent and the EE 430 all labelled in German is wonderful and one would think made there but there was a surprise when I noticed a label on the back saying something different. I thought I had seen this model before under a different name and I was correct. Please guess where it was made, and I am sure some will already know. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29999 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 19:01:40 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:01:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 682 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 19:01:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 19:01:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LpcZ-00047x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:00:43 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LpcY-00047o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:00:42 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.51]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021210190041.DFYX19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:00:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c2a07e$6360b1c0$33cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:59:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Empfanger Banger Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I bought a couple of receivers today for LF one is a empfanger recepteur Blu EE 430 and what a performer on LF. the other is a Plessey PR 1551G also good on LF. I am getting to the stage now where I can almost hear stations before they come on air !!!!!!
We all know German technology and workmanship is excellent and the EE 430 all labelled in German is wonderful and one would think made there but there was a surprise when I noticed a label on the back saying something different. I thought I had seen this model before under a different name and I was correct. Please guess where it was made, and I am sure some will already know.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17088 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:25:06 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 15:25:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 10055 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 15:24:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 15:24:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LmEp-0003YV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:23:59 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.18] (helo=mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LmEo-0003YM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:23:58 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 6130267 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:23:27 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c2a060$5393e0a0$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> <000e01c29fdf$a705e520$cdce28c3@erica> <002c01c29fe7$5bcb3120$cdce28c3@erica> <3DF54A57.70604@usa.net> <000001c2a057$728c6e40$11c828c3@erica> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:25:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Peter, > I will be on 72.4004kHz from 2200 for a couple of hours. I will leave the receiver and screen capture runnning, with posts at the usual: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg Captures will be every half hour, at :00 and :30. There is some chance of the FTP process bogging down, but it's worth a shot. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20407 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 14:24:24 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 14:24:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 28598 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 14:25:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 14:25:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LlFK-0003KS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:20:26 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LlFK-0003KJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:20:26 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-17.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.17] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LlFJ-000Ip9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:20:25 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c2a057$728c6e40$11c828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> <000e01c29fdf$a705e520$cdce28c3@erica> <002c01c29fe7$5bcb3120$cdce28c3@erica> <3DF54A57.70604@usa.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:43:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Alberto I2PHD said: >Received G3LDO with a fairly good signal, especially considering that the antenna was the dipole for 80m, absolutely untuned on 73 kHz. Screen capture attached. Thanks for the report Alberto. k index now very low. Unfortunately it seems John will not be available tonight and Dex has some lightning storms to the south. Still, if the k index is very low it is worth transmitting. What about 136kHz? I will be on 72.4004kHz from 2200 for a couple of hours. Did an RF cirrent test on the antenna this morning at 0900 and it was 4 amps. These ups and downs of current seem to correlate with the tides - I will make the data available when I have made more measurements. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7532 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 04:13:47 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 04:13:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 22457 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 04:13:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 04:13:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LblM-0002AC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:12:52 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LblM-0002A3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:12:52 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-198.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.198] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LblL-0000J2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:12:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2a002$90464be0$9ce086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> <000e01c29fdf$a705e520$cdce28c3@erica> <002501c29fe5$64d67a60$cdce28c3@erica> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:13:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Earlier I said > > John's recordings show the usual after midnight fade. I have just been down > to the transmitting shed and all looks OK except that the antenna current is > down. > I am not sure what causes the variation in current but the transmitter > parameters are stable so the change must be due to environmental effects. I > checked it at 1600rs today and the antenna current was up to 4.6amps. All > this evening the current has been around 3.9amps during the test > transmissions. > The weather is stable with a cold dry eastern wind - temperature in shack > around 1 degree c. > I have noticed these changes before and its not to do with day or night. > When I was last seen in the USA the current was up to 4.3 amps. > I am looking at tide tables! The sea is about 400m south of my QTH I shut down the transmitter at 0100 and went to bed. Woke up at 0300 and couldn't get back to sleep. Checked the transmitter antenna current and it was 5amps! High tide was at 0250. E-mailed Dexter (John having shut down due to QRM) and he is now looking. Now transmitting, frequency 72.4005. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12815 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 01:58:12 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:58:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 7525 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 01:58:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:58:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LZec-0001o3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:57:46 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.2] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LZeb-0001nu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:57:45 +0000 Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.137) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 01:57:39 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.169.99] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 986gLJB6f0223M37; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:57:32 GMT Message-ID: <3DF54A57.70604@usa.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 02:58:47 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> <000e01c29fdf$a705e520$cdce28c3@erica> <002c01c29fe7$5bcb3120$cdce28c3@erica> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010908010200080900060603" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010908010200080900060603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit g3ldo wrote:
Thanks to John and Dex for monitoring the signal frequency.

I am shutting the transmitter down now at 0100. Will be on at around 0515 to
test the enviorionment theory.
Received G3LDO with a fairly good signal, especially considering that the antenna was the
dipole for 80m, absolutely untuned on 73 kHz.  Screen capture attached.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

 
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00:58:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LYit-0001fv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:58:07 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LYit-0001fm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:58:07 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-23.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.23] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LYis-0007AY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:58:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c29fe7$5bcb3120$cdce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> <000e01c29fdf$a705e520$cdce28c3@erica> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:58:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Thanks to John and Dex for monitoring the signal frequency. I am shutting the transmitter down now at 0100. Will be on at around 0515 to test the enviorionment theory. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26659 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 00:44:47 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 00:44:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4966 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 00:44:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 00:44:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LYVH-0001c1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:44:03 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LYVH-0001bs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:44:03 +0000 Received: from tnt-1-232.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.232] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LYVG-0006GP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:44:03 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c29fe5$64d67a60$cdce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> <000e01c29fdf$a705e520$cdce28c3@erica> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:39:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John & Dexter > My! that's quick feedback. My frequency counter says 72.40043 John's recordings show the usual after midnight fade. I have just been down to the transmitting shed and all looks OK except that the antenna current is down. I am not sure what causes the variation in current but the transmitter parameters are stable so the change must be due to environmental effects. I checked it at 1600rs today and the antenna current was up to 4.6amps. All this evening the current has been around 3.9amps during the test transmissions. The weather is stable with a cold dry eastern wind - temperature in shack around 1 degree c. I have noticed these changes before and its not to do with day or night. When I was last seen in the USA the current was up to 4.3 amps. I am looking at tide tables! The sea is about 400m south of my QTH Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13477 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 00:03:42 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 00:03:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 14637 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Dec 2002 00:03:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 00:03:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LXrW-0001S1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:02:58 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.11] (helo=smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LXrW-0001Rs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:02:58 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-6.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.6] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LXrV-000AWt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:02:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c29fdf$a705e520$cdce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:04:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi John, > I was a little late in starting, but I'm posting screen captures of 72.400 - > 72.401 every 15 minutes, starting at 2335 UTC. There appears to be a signal > at 72.4004. I have a Loran line at 72400.28. Captures at: > My! that's quick feedback. My frequency counter says 72.40043 Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5502 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 23:39:57 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 23:39:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9581 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Dec 2002 23:39:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 23:39:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LXTZ-0001Mi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:38:13 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.15] (helo=mx05.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LXTY-0001MZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 23:38:13 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 38834343 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c29fdc$34969320$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:39:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I was a little late in starting, but I'm posting screen captures of 72.400 - 72.401 every 15 minutes, starting at 2335 UTC. There appears to be a signal at 72.4004. I have a Loran line at 72400.28. Captures at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26448 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 22:09:11 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 22:09:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17690 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LW41-0001Br-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:07:45 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LW41-0001Bi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:07:45 +0000 Received: from tnt-21-253.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.228.253] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LW3y-000Bz2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c29fcf$8f5a4660$fde486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:08:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73kHz T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group kp index low I will switch 73kHz tx on 72.4003, QRSS120, for a couple of hours starting now 2215 Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7076 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 21:17:47 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 21:17:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 13160 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 21:17:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 21:17:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LVD1-00014T-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:12:59 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LVD0-00014K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 21:12:58 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.206.17]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021209211249.PQPL277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:12:49 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c29fc7$c65a2520$11cefc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101c29d76$ead49fa0$cfccfc3e@ian> <000701c29eef$642ae3e0$dec828c3@erica> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:52:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 73 KHz QSO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020403060409060701040800" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020403060409060701040800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Peter, Found the missing capture of our QSO on Sunday. 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit hamilton mal wrote:
After argo v130 has been running for a while I notice the spectrum display changes into several closely spaced lines appearing within the rx selected bandpass on the screen.
Don't use build 130.  It has been superceeded by build 131. Build 130 had a problem that caused exactly
the symptoms you mention.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31779 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 14:36:15 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 14:36:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 8765 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 14:35:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 14:35:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LP0U-0007b6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:35:38 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LP0U-0007ax-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:35:38 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18LP0T-0005yO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:35:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c29f90$5ad1c880$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c29f81$588b0aa0$a9e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:36:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Mal.
 
You should be running V131, that's the one that cures the memory leak.
 
Dave 'YXM.
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Hello All
Thanks to all for their messages about argo. I have 3 intel pentium computers one being a compaq laptop, the other two are desktop models. All cpu's run at 166 mhz on these machines.
The point that I was making is that ALL other s/ware like Works Suite etc and other utilities plus amateur applications like Speclab and QRS all versions up to 317 and Satellite tracking progs do not crash, so why argo. When I run argo there are no other applications running at the same time so it cannot be a conflict. I just seem to have the wrong computers for this application it would appear.
After argo v130 has been running for a while I notice the spectrum display changes into several closely spaced lines appearing within the rx selected bandpass on the screen. If I stop the display and start again it reverts back to normal. This happens intermittently. Its a great utility if I could get it to run properly. I suppose its time I got a pentium 4 running at 3 ghz, that might do the trick hi
Thanks again for those email replies both private and public.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32519 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 14:32:56 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 14:32:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 16818 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Dec 2002 14:32:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 14:32:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LOwo-0007aH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:31:50 +0000 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LOwo-0007a8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:31:50 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: William.Ashlock@edwards.boc.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-4.messagelabs.com!1039444297!27392 Received: (qmail 25548 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 14:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-15.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 14:31:37 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:31:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id TP3F4P0J; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:35:21 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:31:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:31:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: RE: LF: Re: North Carolina Ice Strom / HBG plotting on hold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,INVALID_MSGID,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Rik, > Maybe efficient, but for sure it is expensive : 250 ampere x 1500 volt x 0.17 hour = 63750 kWh > Don't know what a kWh costs in the US, but here it is about 0.1 Euro (same in $). So getting rid of > the ice costs well over 6000 Euro (or $). Think you figured the cost in watt-hours not kW-hours. Should be 63.750 kw-Hrs or about $6. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18492 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 13:37:44 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 13:37:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 4411 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Dec 2002 13:37:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 13:37:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LO4m-0007MA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:36:00 +0000 Received: from [134.58.10.57] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LO4l-0007Kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 13:35:59 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gB9DZSoc071058 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:35:28 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209143359.02c73748@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 14:42:10 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <000201c29f81$588b0aa0$a9e8fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal,

Thew main difference between ARGO and most other software (including QRS) is that these last are running idle 99% of the time, so they cause hardly any "CPU load". ARGO on the contrary does a lot of maths and soundcard I/O transfer, so it can be a heavy load to the CPU especially at slower machines (166MHz may sound fast, but 2.5GHz and more is todays standard).
It may help if you can turn off any other software (don't forget all the stuff that is started when you launch Windows).

73, Rik

At 10:09 9/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:
Hello All
Thanks to all for their messages about argo. I have 3 intel pentium computers one being a compaq laptop, the other two are desktop models. All cpu's run at 166 mhz on these machines.
The point that I was making is that ALL other s/ware like Works Suite etc and other utilities plus amateur applications like Speclab and QRS all versions up to 317 and Satellite tracking progs do not crash, so why argo. When I run argo there are no other applications running at the same time so it cannot be a conflict. I just seem to have the wrong computers for this application it would appear.
After argo v130 has been running for a while I notice the spectrum display changes into several closely spaced lines appearing within the rx selected bandpass on the screen. If I stop the display and start again it reverts back to normal. This happens intermittently. Its a great utility if I could get it to run properly. I suppose its time I got a pentium 4 running at 3 ghz, that might do the trick hi
Thanks again for those email replies both private and public.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31902 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 12:51:00 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 12:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28404 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Dec 2002 12:50:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 12:50:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LNLf-0006V3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 12:49:23 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LNLf-0006Uu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 12:49:23 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.169]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021209124921.NSRI15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c29f81$588b0aa0$a9e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:09:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello All
Thanks to all for their messages about argo. I have 3 intel pentium computers one being a compaq laptop, the other two are desktop models. All cpu's run at 166 mhz on these machines.
The point that I was making is that ALL other s/ware like Works Suite etc and other utilities plus amateur applications like Speclab and QRS all versions up to 317 and Satellite tracking progs do not crash, so why argo. When I run argo there are no other applications running at the same time so it cannot be a conflict. I just seem to have the wrong computers for this application it would appear.
After argo v130 has been running for a while I notice the spectrum display changes into several closely spaced lines appearing within the rx selected bandpass on the screen. If I stop the display and start again it reverts back to normal. This happens intermittently. Its a great utility if I could get it to run properly. I suppose its time I got a pentium 4 running at 3 ghz, that might do the trick hi
Thanks again for those email replies both private and public.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13309 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 10:25:02 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 10:25:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 5674 invoked by uid 10001); 9 Dec 2002 10:24:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 10:24:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LL47-00064G-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:23:07 +0000 Received: from [134.58.10.57] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LL47-000646-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 10:23:07 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gB9AMYoc062436 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:22:34 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021209112452.02c47e18@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:29:16 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <000701c29f67$10869ae0$0504210a@c.scope> References: <3DF1014F.5CFB3173@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: North Carolina Ice Strom / HBG plotting on hold Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    Removing Sleet from Antenna.--One of the most interesting features of the station is the method by which sleet, that might form on the 25 miles of aerial wire in each aerial, is removed. With an antenna of such magnitude, the question of sleet on the wires is serious. This is taken care of by passing a current of 250 amperes at 1,500 volts through the antenna wires. Sufficient heat is generated to melt even the most severe ice formations on the wires in ten minutes. Small high-capacity condensers are connected in series with the antenna and tuning coils, to prevent the heat producing current from becoming grounded. The condensers have sufficient resistance to the 60 cycle current used for the above purpose, but readily allow the high-frequency current of the transmitter to pass through.

Maybe efficient, but for sure it is expensive : 250 ampere x 1500 volt x 0.17 hour = 63750 kWh
Don't know what a kWh costs in the US, but here it is about 0.1 Euro (same in $). So getting rid of the ice costs well over 6000 Euro (or $).

73, Rik  ON7YD

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7136 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 09:49:40 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 09:49:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 29876 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 09:49:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 09:49:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LKT1-0005vF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:44:47 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.225] (helo=murphys.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LKT1-0005v5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:44:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 12353 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 09:44:11 -0000 Received: from modem-199-55-60-62.vip.uk.com (HELO hugh) (62.60.55.199) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 09:44:11 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c29f67$10869ae0$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3DF1014F.5CFB3173@att.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 09:40:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: North Carolina Ice Strom / HBG plotting on hold Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE,MAILTO_LINK,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Dexter, and group,
Thanks for sharing the photographs - isn't nature awesome !
 
While trying to find out about SAQ in Sweeden, I came across a webpage all about "Radio Central", which was on Long Island, and transmitted all round the world on LF frequencies. It said this:

    Removing Sleet from Antenna.--One of the most interesting features of the station is the method by which sleet, that might form on the 25 miles of aerial wire in each aerial, is removed. With an antenna of such magnitude, the question of sleet on the wires is serious. This is taken care of by passing a current of 250 amperes at 1,500 volts through the antenna wires. Sufficient heat is generated to melt even the most severe ice formations on the wires in ten minutes. Small high-capacity condensers are connected in series with the antenna and tuning coils, to prevent the heat producing current from becoming grounded. The condensers have sufficient resistance to the 60 cycle current used for the above purpose, but readily allow the high-frequency current of the transmitter to pass through.
 
It doesn't say what they did if the mains electricity failed !
 
The URL is http://www.angelfire.com/nc/whitetho/1922RCA.htm It has photographs of the antenna system and the Alexanderson Alternators.
There is a considerable amount of interesting information about the history of radio on this site.
 
73
Hugh
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" <dmcintyre@att.net>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: LF: North Carolina Ice Strom / HBG plotting on hold

> Most of us have seen it before and probably will again.  But for those
> who haven't seen the results of freezing rain here's a directory which
> contains a few of the many pictures I taken in the past several days.
>
> http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/pix/ice/
>
> Your being able to access the server greatly depends on the current
> state of the local power source and the current conditions of the UPS
> batteries.  Our power is back but the grid is occasionally being turned
> down as other area are repaired.  One estimate is that two million
> customers have experienced commercial AC power loss.  Presently the sun
> is shinning and the ice is melting.
>
> Dexter
>
>
> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25568 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 23:10:07 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 23:10:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 13772 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 23:09:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 23:09:42 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18LAXu-0004s0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 23:09:10 +0000 Received: from [205.197.48.109] (helo=gemini.smart.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18LAXu-0004rr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 23:09:10 +0000 Received: from dpc000 ([162.33.221.192]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA16857 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:09:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c29f0e$cf54e0c0$c0dd21a2@direcpc.com> From: "lloyd chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c29ee9$77e59b60$5fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:09:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
When I started using all the digital modes and others like Argo,SpectrumLab,Spectran etc I had some minor problems .At that time I had a Soundblaster 64PCI card.I was and am using a Dell 800Mhz Pentium III with 256MRAM and later went with a Soundblaster 128PCI card...Since that time I have had absolutely no problems with any of the programs including all versions of Argo.I don't think its so much the Pentium CPU as maybe the amount of RAM and the video/ sound cards...Just some thoughts as I haven't seen mentioned what RAM or video/sound cards guys are using and maybe thats the problem???
some thoughts de Lloyd W3NF
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Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:40 PM
Subject: LF: argo

Hi All
 
All my computers are genuine pentium processers and all do not like argo. At some time or other they crash. I do not have this problem with any other software commercial or amateur. All versions of QRS from ON7YD and speclab from Germany and various others that I use do not crash after hours or days. Am I the only unlucky person using this s/ward or do others have this problem and are keeping quiet hoping it will go away !!
 
de G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29631 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 22:26:52 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 22:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 16039 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 22:26:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 22:26:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L9ry-0004lk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:25:50 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L9rx-0004lb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:25:49 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.208.130]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021208222549.KXS19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:25:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c29f08$cb99bc40$82d0fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101c29d76$ead49fa0$cfccfc3e@ian> <000701c29eef$642ae3e0$dec828c3@erica> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:05:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 73 KHz QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Thanks Peter, you were getting me a LOT better than I was getting you, from the capture. I did a capture of you while you were up to an O but now cannot find it in the machine to send to you.. No doubt another instance of finger trouble. It was good to make the contact and I am impressed with the JPEG. A case of "could do better" on my receive side I'm afraid. My screen tends to look like a blizzard even on QRSS10. The best signal I had from you was the very long dash you sent while testing your TX -and that was while I was playing with Spectrogram before you telephoned! Best 73, Ian. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18564 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 20:03:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 20:03:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19585 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 20:02:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 20:02:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L7d5-0004TY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:02:19 +0000 Received: from [213.40.2.14] (helo=gourd.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L7d4-0004TP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:02:18 +0000 Received: from [213.40.204.165] (helo=tcs1) by gourd.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 18L7cY-0007MN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:01:47 +0000 From: "G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:02:48 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000c01c29ee9$77e59b60$5fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: LF: RE: argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mal,
 
Reference your problem with Argo, I am also using genuine Intel CPU, first Pentium III 500 & now after small upgrade Pentium III 700 & no problems, I have run latest Argo 131 48 hrs & no problems. Of course as you probably read on e-mails I did have errors with Argo 130 & Windows 2000 Pro but none since Argo 131.
 
What is your PC & full spec ?
 
73
 
Gary  G4WGT
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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
Sent: 08 December 2002 18:41
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: argo

Hi All
 
All my computers are genuine pentium processers and all do not like argo. At some time or other they crash. I do not have this problem with any other software commercial or amateur. All versions of QRS from ON7YD and speclab from Germany and various others that I use do not crash after hours or days. Am I the only unlucky person using this s/ward or do others have this problem and are keeping quiet hoping it will go away !!
 
de G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10844 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 19:29:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 19:29:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18312 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 19:30:37 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 19:30:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L788-0004Oa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:30:20 +0000 Received: from [207.136.80.122] (helo=parsec.look.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L788-0004OR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:30:20 +0000 Received: from bc-van-mut-a53-10-66.look.ca ([216.66.146.66]) by parsec.look.ca with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18L783-0006Dk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:30:16 +0000 X-Sender: eldridge@direct.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bob Eldridge " Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:30:16 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: Re: LF: argo X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >Hi All > >All my computers are genuine pentium processers and all do not like argo. At some time or other they crash. I do not have this problem with any other software commercial or amateur. All versions of QRS from ON7YD and speclab from Germany and various others that I use do not crash after hours or days. Am I the only unlucky person using this s/ward or do others have this problem and are keeping quiet hoping it will go away !! > >de G3KEV > > > > > I had some problems with earlier builds, mostly after many captures, but found they were in my own computer. After cleaning out several hundred (or maybe thousand) accumulated redundant files and adding more RAM there are no more crashes. As a bonus everything runs faster. One problem (misleading calibration marks on the 'whole band' scale) baffled me but was solved by Alberto (I was using large font, which obscured some marking). No problems with 130/131. The whole thing is wonderful. Bob VE7BS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11267 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 19:24:24 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 19:24:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18956 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 19:24:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 19:24:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L71R-0004LD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:23:25 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L71Q-0004L4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:23:24 +0000 Received: from tnt-5-222.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.222] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L717-000L7x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 19:23:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c29eef$642ae3e0$dec828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101c29d76$ead49fa0$cfccfc3e@ian> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:23:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73 KHz QSO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020608040400050601010305" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020608040400050601010305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ said > Back in business again, thanks to GI1PHF, who got the bits PDQ. Only one > device had popped, ..... The fix worked well. We had a QSO at 1630 today on 71.7kHz. Ians's signal shown in the attachment (if it gets through) is using 10sec dots and he is clearly an 'O' in spite of heavy local QRM. I was using 3 sec dots but only got an 'M'. The line just above 71.7 is my exciter. . Other lines are Loran, which isn't so bad on this band. 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Received: (qmail 16195 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 18:53:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 18:53:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L6Y6-0004EL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:53:06 +0000 Received: from [216.93.66.205] (helo=mail0.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L6Y5-0004EC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:53:05 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d40.as1.mpls0.mn.voyager.net [169.207.102.168]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id gB8Ir2d32395 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:53:05 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <000c01c29ee9$77e59b60$5fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: LF: RE: argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_70_90,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_COLOR_NAME,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

That is because you run Compaq machines. Throw them in the closest trashcan. Hi hi… Maybe with a bit of configuration changes to your machines, they might work bug free with ARGO.

73’s,

Mike>WE0H

http://www.we0h.us/lf.html

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:41 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: argo

 

Hi All

 

All my computers are genuine pentium processers and all do not like argo. At some time or other they crash. I do not have this problem with any other software commercial or amateur. All versions of QRS from ON7YD and speclab from Germany and various others that I use do not crash after hours or days. Am I the only unlucky person using this s/ward or do others have this problem and are keeping quiet hoping it will go away !!

 

de G3KEV

 

 

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25436 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 18:43:20 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 18:43:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9837 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 18:42:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 18:42:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L6NY-0004Aj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:42:12 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L6NY-0004Aa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:42:12 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.95]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021208184211.SKQL277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:42:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c29ee9$77e59b60$5fe9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:40:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
 
All my computers are genuine pentium processers and all do not like argo. At some time or other they crash. I do not have this problem with any other software commercial or amateur. All versions of QRS from ON7YD and speclab from Germany and various others that I use do not crash after hours or days. Am I the only unlucky person using this s/ward or do others have this problem and are keeping quiet hoping it will go away !!
 
de G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23009 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 18:14:50 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 18:14:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6638 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 18:14:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 18:14:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L5w8-00044Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:13:52 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.105] (helo=imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L5w8-00044Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:13:52 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.a.2990e3f6 (16930) for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:13:13 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:13:13 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: G3YXM 135.922 as seen in NC Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Dexter,

no, even though I would like to, I cannot confirm this. I compared your image to the SpecLab captures taken during transmit; around 4:10 I was in an "F" and then "6", which clearly does not match. We could however verify a chunk in an image taken by John W1TAG at 6:45, shortly before sunrise. Will try to make the rest of the way next time...

Thanks very much anyway, these screenshots are truely appreciated here.

73 es greetings to all
Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 08.12.02 18:21:17 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt dmcintyre@att.net:

Markus's frequency was active.  Maybe this is his signal mixed with
noise. 

http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/argo/is_it_df6nm08dec02.jpg


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16480 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 17:24:39 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 17:24:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 6892 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 17:24:22 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 17:24:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L56L-0003xQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 17:20:21 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L56L-0003xH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 17:20:21 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021208172133.KAQH651.host4@att.net> for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 12:21:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF37F5E.ADE299E9@att.net> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 17:20:30 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: G3YXM 135.922 as seen in NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave's signal was identifiable here last night. Looks like the Kp briefly dipped to 2 about this time. See Dave's signal at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/argo/g3yxm08dec02.jpg Markus's frequency was active. Maybe this is his signal mixed with noise. http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/argo/is_it_df6nm08dec02.jpg Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25773 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 13:15:12 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 13:15:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21155 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 13:14:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 13:14:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18L1Fg-000373-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:13:44 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18L1Fg-00036u-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 13:13:44 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h025070.nexo.es [195.235.25.70]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA27762 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:13:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002e01c29ebb$9a06b900$4619ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:11:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signals report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All:
 
I monitored only a few minutes this morning, but I saw the "O" signals from PA0BWL in QRSS3 QSO with DK1IS, around 137690 Hz, at 11.20 UTC. Is PA0BWL in the reflector??
 
Strong signals last night from Markus and Dave in the TA test.
 
73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53TI
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10702 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 10:40:32 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 10:40:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 13576 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 10:41:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 10:41:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KyrH-0002qo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:40:23 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KyrH-0002qf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:40:23 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KyrG-0001lO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 10:40:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c29ea6$52bbe300$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005e01c29e1c$b9bc6640$1700a8c0@home> <3DF2434E.C6B94174@diolog.de> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:41:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: DL/GM4ENK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks Fabian.
 
Yes I thought he must be at some established station with such a good signal. Let's hope he comes on from his home QTH, we need some GM activity!
 
73
Dave G3YXM
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: LF: DL/GM4ENK

Hi Dave,

heard your QSO with Paul earlier (you were hardly detectable on an untuned wire, he was strong). Due to the signal strength and the locator, he is probably at DJ9IE's station..

73, Fabian dj1yfk

Dave Pick schrieb:

Dear All. Just worked this station on 136.5, name Paul in JO31RH.Anyone know anything about him. Very good signal, 579 over here. Only gave me 429 though.. :-( Dave G3YXM. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23246 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 08:57:26 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 08:57:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 10196 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KxBS-0002fe-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:53:06 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.131] (helo=moutvdom.kundenserver.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KxBS-0002fV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 08:53:06 +0000 Received: from [172.19.20.62] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KxBS-0001J9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:53:06 +0100 Received: from [62.227.104.89] (helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KxBR-0002TL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 09:53:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3DF2434E.C6B94174@diolog.de> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:51:59 +0000 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005e01c29e1c$b9bc6640$1700a8c0@home> Subject: Re: LF: DL/GM4ENK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Dave,

heard your QSO with Paul earlier (you were hardly detectable on an untuned wire, he was strong). Due to the signal strength and the locator, he is probably at DJ9IE's station..

73, Fabian dj1yfk

Dave Pick schrieb:

Dear All. Just worked this station on 136.5, name Paul in JO31RH.Anyone know anything about him. Very good signal, 579 over here. Only gave me 429 though.. :-( Dave G3YXM. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17598 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 01:24:59 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:24:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 1689 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 01:24:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:24:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KqBA-0000gw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:24:20 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KqB9-0000gn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:24:19 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KqB9-0003FH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:24:19 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c29e58$a645d420$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12.29d345c9.2b23f67c@aol.com> <002101c29e57$fd69ade0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:25:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Yes. I went for broke and it broke! 40A car fuse run at 60A has to give eventually, and now I can't get it out of the socket.. A job for tomorrow. Goodnight all. Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:20 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight > Markus, > > >it looks as if Dave QSYed 0.25Hz up, now on 922.028 since 00:43. > > Yes. Dex had better copy of him than I did, right up to the end. "End" being > defined as a blown fuse, according to Dave! > > No sign of your signal thus far, Markus. I'll keep receiving, though. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6279 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 01:21:48 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:21:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 29700 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Dec 2002 01:21:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:21:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kq83-0000eC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:21:07 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.17] (helo=mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kq83-0000e3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:21:07 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 6156410 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 20:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c29e57$fd69ade0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12.29d345c9.2b23f67c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:20:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Markus, >it looks as if Dave QSYed 0.25Hz up, now on 922.028 since 00:43. Yes. Dex had better copy of him than I did, right up to the end. "End" being defined as a blown fuse, according to Dave! No sign of your signal thus far, Markus. I'll keep receiving, though. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25068 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 01:14:14 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:14:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18150 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 01:13:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:13:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kq0M-0000bE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:13:10 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.99] (helo=imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kq0L-0000aW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 01:13:09 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.12.29d345c9 (4238) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <12.29d345c9.2b23f67c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:12:28 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dave, John, Dexter,

it looks as if Dave QSYed 0.25Hz up, now on 922.028 since 00:43.

Markus
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18876 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 00:05:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 00:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 28441 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 00:05:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 00:05:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KowM-0000TP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:04:58 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.15] (helo=mx05.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KowM-0000TG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:04:58 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 38110874 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c29e4d$5d7def80$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c29e0c$ab64c7a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <003201c29e38$66136720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <000601c29e43$03569ac0$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:04:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave, > I'm sending 30 sec dots on .9218 for the next hour or so. I'm also seeing > someone on .9221 I'm now seeing something on .9218 as well. I changed the calibration to show the frequency directly. Sorry for not having done that before. And the UFO in the 0000 capture was me double checking the frequency with my exciter. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4679 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 23:45:48 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 23:45:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 24677 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 23:45:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 23:45:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kod9-0000PP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kod8-0000PG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:45:07 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021207234552.QTPM766.host3@att.net> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF28810.DD41881C@att.net> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:45:20 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c29e0c$ab64c7a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <003201c29e38$66136720$0500a8c0@charter.net> <000601c29e43$03569ac0$1700a8c0@home> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Seeing a few lines on 921.8. Will post captures at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/argo/135khz.jpg Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7466 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 23:11:33 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 23:11:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18153 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 23:12:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 23:12:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ko73-0000K8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:11:57 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.6] (helo=imo-m03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ko73-0000Jz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:11:57 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.11c.1b7c0e7a (4446) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:11:24 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.1b7c0e7a.2b23da1c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:11:24 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi John, Dave and LF group,

John.

I'm sending 30 sec dots on .9218 for the next hour or so. I'm also seeing
someone on .9221

Cheers.
Dave G3YXM.


My TX is on 135922.3/.4 since 22:00. In the intervals I can now see dashes on 921.78, probably you Dave... nice to be not alone ;-)

Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9669 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 23:08:02 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 23:08:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 10740 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 23:07:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 23:07:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Ko2T-0000HO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:07:13 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Ko2T-0000HF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:07:13 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Ko2S-0004tw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 23:07:13 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c29e45$7f25a220$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c29e0c$ab64c7a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <003201c29e38$66136720$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 23:08:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John I can just see my transmission on your 2300 grab ( at "799.7"). Too fast to be read properly. I'll slow the next one down to 60 sec dots. Dave G3YXM > As of 2130 UTC, I am posting screen captures of 135.922 kHz (+/- 1.5 Hz) > from an ARGO 60 second screen at: > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg > > I'll keep this running through 0300 UTC and then decide whether to continue. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14451 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 22:50:32 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 22:50:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3093 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 22:50:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 22:50:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KnlI-0000Ca-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:49:28 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KnlI-0000CR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:49:28 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KnlI-0001E1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 22:49:28 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c29e43$03569ac0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c29e0c$ab64c7a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <003201c29e38$66136720$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:50:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John. I'm sending 30 sec dots on .9218 for the next hour or so. I'm also seeing someone on .9221 Cheers. Dave G3YXM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: LF: 135.922 Tonight > As of 2130 UTC, I am posting screen captures of 135.922 kHz (+/- 1.5 Hz) > from an ARGO 60 second screen at: > http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg > > I'll keep this running through 0300 UTC and then decide whether to continue. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 893 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 21:38:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:38:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 13473 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 21:38:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:38:47 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kmb7-0008E8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:34:53 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.19] (helo=mx09.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kmb7-0008Dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:34:53 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx09.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 37638071 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:34:22 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c29e38$66136720$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001d01c29e0c$ab64c7a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:34:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 135.922 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group As of 2130 UTC, I am posting screen captures of 135.922 kHz (+/- 1.5 Hz) from an ARGO 60 second screen at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg I'll keep this running through 0300 UTC and then decide whether to continue. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2279 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 19:21:55 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 19:21:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 23043 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 19:21:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 19:21:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KkVc-0007wS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:21:04 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.13] (helo=smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KkVb-0007wJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:21:03 +0000 Received: from tnt-2-73.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.73] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KkVV-0007ng-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:20:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c29e25$fa808360$49c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c29d93$446331a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <001001c29d95$06d4ea20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:21:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73Khz Test. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I have just had the shack/office redecorated and carpeted (luxury at last). During this time all the computer and ham radio gear had to be dismantled although I did manage a contact on 73kHz from the garden shed on Tuesday. The shack is now back together but I wont be transmitting on 73kHz tonight - we have visitors and 73kHz transmissions require some degree of supervision due to the very high voltages on my small antenna. Will be monitoring the k index more closely in future! Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22676 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 19:09:31 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 19:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 4200 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 19:09:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 19:09:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KkJp-0007qy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:08:53 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KkJp-0007qp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 19:08:53 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.205.18]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021207190852.ZVJQ21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c29e24$083b23e0$12cdfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005e01c29e1c$b9bc6640$1700a8c0@home> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:07:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: DL/GM4ENK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,HTML_50_70,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Pick
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: LF: DL/GM4ENK

Dear All.
 
Just worked this station on 136.5, name Paul in JO31RH.
Anyone know anything about him. Very good signal, 579 over here. Only gave me 429 though.. :-(
 
Dave G3YXM.
 
Hi Dave.
 
DL/GM4ENK now at 1905 gmt is 599 and working OZ8NJ. - 136.5 KHZ
 
De Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26046 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 18:55:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 18:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22225 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 18:56:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 18:56:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kk6z-0007nF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:55:37 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kk6z-0007n6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:55:37 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.46]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021207185536.HNZJ19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:55:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c29e22$2dca3b20$2ee4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <181.131d5d5d.2b234718@aol.com> <001301c29df3$66f5e540$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:54:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA tests 72/136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: LF: Re: TA tests 72/136 > > And how about some more activity around 135922? It's right in the gap > between > > the first and second FSK-sidebands of SXV. Anybody interested in joining > in > > tonight? > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > The 136kHz band is shared with commercial users on a 'non-interference' > basis. Even if we think our signals are too tiny to make a difference, we > should not be deliberately operating within the passband of the users of > SXV. There is plenty of space elsewhere on the band. 135.922 khz is well outside the bandpass of SXV. I am surprised you did not know this!!! de G3KEV > > Mike, G3XDV > http://www.lf.thersgb.net > ==================== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25112 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 18:16:18 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 18:16:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 25710 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 18:15:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 18:15:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KjU6-0007iU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:15:26 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KjU5-0007iL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:15:26 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KjU5-0007Qm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:15:25 +0000 Message-ID: <005e01c29e1c$b9bc6640$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:16:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: DL/GM4ENK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear All.
 
Just worked this station on 136.5, name Paul in JO31RH.
Anyone know anything about him. Very good signal, 579 over here. Only gave me 429 though.. :-(
 
Dave G3YXM.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3522 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 17:58:15 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 17:58:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 283 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 17:57:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 17:57:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KjCG-0007da-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:57:00 +0000 Received: from [217.115.142.241] (helo=minisite1.webpack.hosteurope.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KjCF-0007dR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:56:59 +0000 Received: from funk (pD9E11AAD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.225.26.173]) (authenticated) by minisite1.webpack.hosteurope.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB7HwTX12336 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:58:29 +0100 Message-ID: <04a201c29e1a$090bc5e0$ad1ae1d9@funk> From: "Hans Wilke" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3b.30e77de0.2b237ccf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF-Sonderlizenz? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_50_70,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hallo Markus,
 
pse weisst Du, ob man für 136KHz in DL noch eine Sonderlizenz braucht oder gibt es eine allgemeine Freigabe?
 
GL auf LF und 73 de Hans, DK2PH
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4564 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 16:34:44 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 16:34:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1860 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 16:34:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 16:34:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Khtr-0007Vt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:33:55 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.36] (helo=imo-d04.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Khtq-0007Vk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:33:54 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.3b.30e77de0 (3924) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.30e77de0.2b237ccf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:33:19 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: TA tests 72/136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi John and all,

I'd be happy to watch from here. It was a lot of fun to watch activity there
last winter, particularly when you could see four or five signals at once.
I'd suggest 135.922 +/- 1.5 Hz, which would fit into an ARGO 60 second
screen.

On the down side, the Kp index has climbed back up, so miracles may not be
possible.

John Andrews, W1TAG


if all goes well I'll give it a go tonight after 22:00, on the old frequency pair 135922.3 / 922.4 DFCW, 60s on / 20s off. Though I guess I'd need that miracle, with dipole-ERP still 180mW; but hopefully there will be some stronger signals coming along for company...

73 de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2149 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 16:13:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 16:13:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 20608 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 16:13:46 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 16:13:46 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KhZP-0007R0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:12:47 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.176] (helo=cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KhZO-0007Qr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:12:47 +0000 Received: from modem-136.new-york.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.83.136] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KhZN-0005eo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:12:46 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c29e0c$ab64c7a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:10:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73/136 T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All, Many thanks for the reports and captures, John, Dex and Jay. Nice to get something through to Dex at last, pity I had a fault,things may have improved later. Actually the fault was silly, not the antenna.. A BNC connector on the DFCW oscillator box making intermittent contact.The tiny vibration of the DFCW relay was enough to cause the contact to fail. By such simple things are great enterprises brought to naught,or words to that effect. I would like to see some activity on 136 tonight so I will stay off 73. Actually we are out until about 00:00 UTC. I will check the reflector then.and if no postings could transmit for a little while on 72.401. Best of Luck. Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17447 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 14:22:27 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 14:22:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 7220 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 14:22:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 14:22:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kfq7-0007EM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:21:55 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kfq6-0007ED-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:21:54 +0000 Received: from host62-6-88-112.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.88.112] helo=main) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Kfq5-0007bD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:21:54 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c29dfb$f3d57540$7058063e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:21:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re 136 T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Mike and all, I dont think we need bother too about SXV when we are on 135.922. When I was logging that station I could make accurate level recordings with youself, Jim, Peter and Laurie all pounding away (very strong with me) on or around 920 to 925. That was with an "amateur grade" RX as well. Markus gets a big signal from it hence the extra sidebands we dont see, but I think even he is sufficiently far from the service area to not cause any problems. However fortunately it went off in the early hours of the morning so that doesnt really apply. Good luck all. I dont have any real propagation data but I think conditions should not be too bad.....indeen to judge by the strength of Lauries signal with John last night it might be a good night. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8058 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 14:08:48 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 14:08:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 21554 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 14:08:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 14:08:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kfci-0007A7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:08:04 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kfch-00079y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:08:04 +0000 Received: from host62-6-88-112.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.88.112] helo=main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Kfch-0005nU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 14:08:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c29dfa$04897fa0$7058063e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:03:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Dick, yes Gus has been putting a good signal into the UK for a week or two now. I have seen him on a number of afternoons during the week. he was about 56/79 (despite fairly heavy TV qrm here) the other afternoon, but not getting any answers. He seens to usually show up around 136.5 to 136.5 I think. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27772 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 13:54:04 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:54:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 6365 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 13:53:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:53:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KfOd-000731-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:53:31 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KfOd-00072s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:53:31 +0000 Received: from host217-35-12-143.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.12.143] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KfOc-0003Sr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: <003701c29df8$24ca8ea0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <181.131d5d5d.2b234718@aol.com> <001301c29df3$66f5e540$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:54:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA tests 72/136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > > The 136kHz band is shared with commercial users on a 'non-interference' > basis. Even if we think our signals are too tiny to make a difference, we > should not be deliberately operating within the passband of the users of > SXV. There is plenty of space elsewhere on the band. > But it's in the IARU region 1 guidlines! :-) Dave G3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1823 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 13:53:40 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:53:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 9749 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 13:53:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:53:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KfO3-00072U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:52:55 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.46] (helo=mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KfO2-00072L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:52:55 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021207135252.UTNR495.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:52:52 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c29df8$14528dc0$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <15d.18922582.2b235412@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:53:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: TA tests 72/136 and SXV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Markus, When you wrote 'first and second sidebands, I assumed you meant Mark and Space, but obviously not. My mistake. You are probably right that this won't cause any problems. 73 Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== > > The 136kHz band is shared with commercial users on a 'non-interference' > > basis. Even if we think our signals are too tiny to make a difference, we > > should not be deliberately operating within the passband of the users of > > SXV. There is plenty of space elsewhere on the band. > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > fair enough, but I really do not think we have any reason to worry about > interfering with SXV. Their FSK is keyed between about 135710 and 135810, so > we will be well outside their intended modulation band. I would regard the > weak sideband above 135930 as a spurious of their hardkeyed FSK. > > Regards > Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18043 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 13:41:00 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:41:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 431 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 13:40:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:40:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KfBk-0006ys-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:40:12 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.5] (helo=imo-m02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KfBk-0006ye-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:40:12 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.15d.18922582 (3874) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.18922582.2b235412@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:39:30 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re2: LF: TA tests 72/136 and SXV Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mike,

The 136kHz band is shared with commercial users on a 'non-interference'
basis. Even if we think our signals are too tiny to make a difference, we
should not be deliberately operating within the passband of the users of
SXV. There is plenty of space elsewhere on the band.

Mike, G3XDV


fair enough, but I really do not think we have any reason to worry about interfering with SXV. Their FSK is keyed between about 135710 and 135810, so we will be well outside their intended modulation band. I would regard the weak sideband above 135930 as a spurious of their hardkeyed FSK.

Regards
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7481 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 13:20:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:20:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 7803 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 13:19:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:19:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Kere-0006uh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:19:26 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.41] (helo=mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Kerd-0006uY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:19:25 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021207131925.RWPQ29196.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:19:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c29df3$66f5e540$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <181.131d5d5d.2b234718@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:20:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TA tests 72/136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > And how about some more activity around 135922? It's right in the gap between > the first and second FSK-sidebands of SXV. Anybody interested in joining in > tonight? > 73 de Markus, DF6NM The 136kHz band is shared with commercial users on a 'non-interference' basis. Even if we think our signals are too tiny to make a difference, we should not be deliberately operating within the passband of the users of SXV. There is plenty of space elsewhere on the band. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18004 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 13:01:45 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:01:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 590 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 13:01:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 13:01:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KeZd-0006kP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:00:49 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KeZc-0006kG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:00:49 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 15304690 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:00:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c29df0$a85d64c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <181.131d5d5d.2b234718@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:00:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TA tests 72/136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Markus, >And how about some more activity around 135922? It's right in the gap between the first and second FSK-sidebands of SXV. Anybody interested in joining in tonight?< I'd be happy to watch from here. It was a lot of fun to watch activity there last winter, particularly when you could see four or five signals at once. I'd suggest 135.922 +/- 1.5 Hz, which would fit into an ARGO 60 second screen. On the down side, the Kp index has climbed back up, so miracles may not be possible. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4327 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 12:45:17 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:45:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15018 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 12:44:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:44:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KeK3-0006eQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:44:43 +0000 Received: from [64.12.136.8] (helo=imo-m05.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KeK3-0006dq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:44:43 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.181.131d5d5d (3699) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:44:08 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <181.131d5d5d.2b234718@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:44:08 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: TA tests 72/136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all,

congrats to all participatints on last night's excellent results on 72k8, the screenshots are amazing.

And how about some more activity around 135922? It's right in the gap between the first and second FSK-sidebands of SXV. Anybody interested in joining in tonight?

73 de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8610 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 12:45:01 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:45:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1245 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 12:44:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:44:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KeJt-0006dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:44:33 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.106] (helo=imo-r10.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KeJs-0006dp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:44:33 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.cc.16146076 (3699) for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:43:58 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:43:58 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: QRSS signals Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_50_70,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit José,

Hi All:
Please, who on 137705 at 11.30 UTC?
73, José EA1PX, loc IN53TI


... that was Tom, DK1IS. He lives in Amberg, JN69NK, about 50km east of me.
Congrats to both of you!

73 de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2259 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 12:39:36 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:39:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9877 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 12:40:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:40:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KeFG-0006af-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:39:46 +0000 Received: from [194.134.35.177] (helo=smtp6.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KeFG-0006aW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:39:46 +0000 Received: from nl9222@wanadoo (rot2-p3223.dial.wanadoo.nl [62.234.207.151]) by smtp6.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 316CF7159D for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:39:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:38:39 +0100 From: "K.Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20021207123945.316CF7159D@smtp6.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: LF: QRSS signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,UPPERCASE_25_50version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 12/7/02 1:11:00 PM, you wrote: >Hi All: > >Please, who on 137705 at 11.30 UTC? > >73, José EA1PX, loc IN53TI Hi José. It was DK1IS transmitting DFCW first and QRSS for more than an hour. Sigs here -33.7dB 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3074 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 12:12:23 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:12:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 11405 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 12:12:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:12:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KdoH-0006WZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:11:53 +0000 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KdoH-0006WQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:11:53 +0000 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h024238.nexo.es [195.235.24.238]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA12318 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:11:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003001c29de9$c93c2ca0$ee18ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: QRSS signals Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All:
 
Please, who on 137705 at 11.30 UTC?
 
73, José EA1PX, loc IN53TI
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13906 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 12:03:03 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:03:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13738 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 12:02:47 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 12:02:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KdbO-0006TE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:58:34 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.55] (helo=cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KdbN-0006T5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:58:33 +0000 Received: from [62.21.168.138] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KdbM-00012A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 11:58:33 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021207125558.009ecec0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:00:48 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: SM6BHZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

At 1126 UTC worked a new station: SM6BHZ. Name Gus, loc. JO57WQ. When we started I gave him RST 569 and received RST 439. Later his signal became weaker and a bit difficult to copy but I just managed.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17680 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 02:05:37 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 02:05:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 11838 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 02:05:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 02:05:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KUKs-00050g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:04:54 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.12] (helo=dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KUKs-00050X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 02:04:54 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 15094689 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 21:04:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c29d95$06d4ea20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c29d93$446331a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:04:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73Khz Test. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, > Sorry am having to close down there is an intermittant antenna fault. > Thanks for the captures they look good. > Will report on problem in the morning. Well, thanks for the several hours of fun. These signals were the equal of anything I saw last winter. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4717 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:54:07 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:54:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25536 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:53:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:53:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KU9q-0004wQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:53:30 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KU9p-0004wH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:53:30 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021207015415.EWOS766.host3@att.net> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:54:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF154A2.BDE369B4@att.net> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:53:38 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c29d93$446331a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: Re: LF: 73Khz Test. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I copied a few good elements of your signal about 0130. Saw traces of your signal at other times. Thanks for the transmission. Dex Laurie Mayhead wrote: > > Hi John and all, > Sorry am having to close down there is an intermittant antenna fault. > Thanks for the captures they look good. > Will report on problem in the morning. > Good night, Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3064 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:47:18 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:47:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 19025 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:47:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:47:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KU3M-0004ry-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:46:48 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.14] (helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KU3L-0004rb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:46:48 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 38166031 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c29d92$7f6f93c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000901c29d7f$e4da14a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001401c29d90$55e64140$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:46:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: G3AQC on 72 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Lost the signal just after posting my last message at 0130. Ended with a "Q". John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6481 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:43:49 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:43:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 29848 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 01:44:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:44:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KU0P-0004qD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:43:45 +0000 Received: from [195.92.193.19] (helo=cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KU0O-0004q4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:43:45 +0000 Received: from modem-17.aranruth.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.119.145] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KU0O-0004JU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:43:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c29d93$446331a0$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:50:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73Khz Test. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi John and all, Sorry am having to close down there is an intermittant antenna fault. Thanks for the captures they look good. Will report on problem in the morning. Good night, Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27749 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:32:18 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:32:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 21028 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 01:32:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:32:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KToO-0004mL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:31:20 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.25] (helo=dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KToN-0004mC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 01:31:19 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 6357198 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c29d90$55e64140$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000901c29d7f$e4da14a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:31:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: G3AQC on 72 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie's still looking good at 0130 UTC. There was a fade about 20 mins ago, but the signal has come back. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1166 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 00:31:31 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 00:31:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 527 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Dec 2002 00:31:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 00:31:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KSoC-0004Xv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:27:04 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KSoC-0004Xm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:27:04 +0000 Received: from host62-6-102-137.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.102.137] helo=main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18KSoB-0006Kc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:27:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c29d87$520e2640$8966063e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:25:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Laurie's 72kHz sig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi John, and Laurie, I only normally see the ol' dog-bone on very strong signals. Which suggests that Laurie is quite a good signal again tonight. I have kept silent this time as I am not really sure what is happening on the propagation front, but it should be reasonable, based on the lack of major geomagnetic events in the last 14 days. I have been looking at SXV (135.8) over the past few nights but the plot is very confusing and I dont really know what to read from it. It could be indicating a lot of multi-path propagation and so several different order hop numbers, even at 2300kms. This could mean low attenuation and the possibility of constructive enhancement, over a long path...... but who knows ??. I am not even sure SXV is transmitting a constant power level, as they seem to be in a test mode. I wonder whether anyone is logging HBG over that side as well tonight ? Great job, well done.....again. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9342 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 23:51:56 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:51:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 21735 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2002 23:51:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:51:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KSFS-0004SZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:51:10 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.12] (helo=dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KSFR-0004SQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:51:09 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 15050431 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:50:38 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c29d82$57d9dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000901c29d7f$e4da14a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:51:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: G3AQC on 72 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Screen captures of 72.400 to 72.401 kHz are being posted at :15 and :45 at: http://webpages.charter.net/w1tag/cap-1.jpg The "800" = 72.400 fairly exactly. Great signal, Laurie! I can't ID the signal at 72.40028 kHz yet, though. Peter? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20290 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 23:34:18 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:34:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 27750 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 23:34:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:34:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KRyU-0004Ok-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:33:38 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.17] (helo=mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KRyT-0004Ob-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:33:38 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 5753565; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c29d7f$e4da14a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@mailman.qth.net References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:33:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: G3AQC on 72 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I'm just seeing the end of Laurie's AQC ID on 72.4009 kHz. Excellent signal, with little "dogbones" at the end of the characters! Screen shot coming shortly. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7522 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:57:34 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:57:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 4978 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2002 22:57:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:57:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KROp-0004Hb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:56:47 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KROp-0004HS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:56:47 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021206225647.TVHH7059.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:56:47 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c29d7a$e4daa320$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101c29d76$ead49fa0$cfccfc3e@ian> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:57:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73 KHz TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Back in business again, thanks to GI1PHF, who got the bits PDQ. Only one > device had popped, and that had happened because I did not notice that a > croc clip had become unhiched. Its funny, innit, how it's always the silly > little thing that catches you out. > > Anyone for a Sunday morning sked? > > Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ Yes, please. What time? Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5447 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:31:41 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:31:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 24635 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2002 22:31:29 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:31:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KQzZ-0004Dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:30:41 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KQzZ-0004DT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 22:30:41 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.204.207]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021206222909.JWTH277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:29:09 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c29d76$ead49fa0$cfccfc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:22:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73 KHz TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Back in business again, thanks to GI1PHF, who got the bits PDQ. Only one device had popped, and that had happened because I did not notice that a croc clip had become unhiched. Its funny, innit, how it's always the silly little thing that catches you out. Your comments noted Mal, but the repair only cost about a fiver for bits, and maybe a quart of coffee. Besides, it gave me a chance to practice soldering. My frugal Ballymena soul balks at using any more than the minimum amount of resources required, and there is five years of intermittent abuse to reckon in as well. Think total cost of effort and ownership my boy! After that report you gave me I suppose we'd better have a qso some time. Anyone for a Sunday morning sked? Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29130 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 20:02:17 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 20:02:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 22407 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2002 20:01:55 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 20:01:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KObm-0003uJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:57:58 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KObm-0003uA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:57:58 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021206195843.TJR766.host3@att.net>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:58:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3DF1014F.5CFB3173@att.net> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:58:07 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LowFER" , "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: North Carolina Ice Strom / HBG plotting on hold Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Most of us have seen it before and probably will again. But for those who haven't seen the results of freezing rain here's a directory which contains a few of the many pictures I taken in the past several days. http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/pix/ice/ Your being able to access the server greatly depends on the current state of the local power source and the current conditions of the UPS batteries. Our power is back but the grid is occasionally being turned down as other area are repaired. One estimate is that two million customers have experienced commercial AC power loss. Presently the sun is shinning and the ice is melting. Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 502 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 18:02:28 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 18:02:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 4778 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2002 18:02:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 18:02:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KMn2-0003ib-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:01:28 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KMn2-0003iS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:01:28 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-031.fen-net.de [212.204.116.31]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id gB6HwNvt029799 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:58:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001d01c29d52$45694080$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:06:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id gB6HwNvt029799 Subject: Re: LF: 73Khz TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Great, Tom. Who develops a device, that - let´s say 1000 times per second - asks all FETs "are you ok?" and - if not - connects another one to the transmitter? We also need a display, that shows the remaining number of FETs, so the OM can refill the stock just in time. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tom Boucher An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Freitag, 6. Dezember 2002 15:33 Betreff: Re: LF: 73Khz TX >DK8KW writes >> I have heard about people getting so >>competent in changing FETs that they have done this within the QSO >>partner's over in the middle of a QRSS-QSO. > >I changed one in the middle of a 35wpm normal CW QSO, AND we were using >full break-in QSK! > >73, Tom G3OLB > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22950 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 17:35:32 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 17:35:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 22067 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2002 17:35:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 17:35:09 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KMMM-0003cs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:33:54 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KMMM-0003cj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:33:54 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18KMMI-0005of-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:33:50 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KMMH-0002pP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:33:49 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021206173016.00addad0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:33:47 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001301c29d1f$09673160$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Re: Friday - Saturday Test? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, I'm afraid I will be away from home this weekend, so will not be able to take part - but best of luck to those who are. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5329 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 15:11:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 2471 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 15:11:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 15:10:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KK7Y-0003GM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:10:28 +0000 Received: from [195.170.0.5] (helo=mailsrv.otenet.gr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KK7X-0003GD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 15:10:28 +0000 Received: from otenet.gr (myti530-a094.otenet.gr [212.205.251.222]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6FADn2006555 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:10:26 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3DF0BE09.7AA04173@otenet.gr> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:11:05 +0200 From: "Alex Deligiannis" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3DEE5AE4.7614DC4@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble (survives exploratory surgery) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote: > The SPM-19 lives! Thanks to Jim Moritz, I was able to locate the > problem in the 40.01 MHz 2nd LO PLL circuit. A 2N918 transistor on the > PLL board was open. Replaced it with a NTE161 and now the VCO is > locked. A wandering VCO was causing the off frequency problem. > > Now to find holes for all those screws! What a beautifully engineered > piece of equipment. > > W4DEX Typical German quality.... Alex SV8QG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 426 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 14:30:09 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 14:30:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16732 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 14:29:53 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 14:29:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KJTS-000381-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:29:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KJTS-00037s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:29:02 +0000 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 18KJTR-0003cQ-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:29:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:20:09 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" References: <200212050600_MC3-1-1DDA-4D34@compuserve.com> In-reply-to: <200212050600_MC3-1-1DDA-4D34@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Subject: Re: LF: 73Khz TX X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group DK8KW writes > I have heard about people getting so >competent in changing FETs that they have done this within the QSO >partner's over in the middle of a QRSS-QSO. I changed one in the middle of a 35wpm normal CW QSO, AND we were using full break-in QSK! 73, Tom G3OLB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26092 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 13:42:31 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 13:42:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 14101 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 13:42:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 13:42:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KIjg-0002xp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:41:44 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.173] (helo=cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KIjg-0002xg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:41:44 +0000 Received: from modem-17.pennsylvania.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.89.17] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KIjf-0003jn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:41:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c29d2e$662bd400$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:48:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re. Friday/Saturday test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi John/Lloyd, The Kp level looks nice and low so I will be on tonight. Freq. 72.401Khz, going to try DFCW again with 0.1 Hz shift 180sec element length (use 120sec Argo) to LOOK Hi. >From recent plots it seems as though the 0300/0400 peak is the best but I will start at 2200 UTC anyway. Yes I realise Dex is having problems with Ice etc hope it soon clears up. 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10654 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 13:18:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 13:18:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 1250 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 13:18:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 13:18:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KILc-0002sw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:16:52 +0000 Received: from [205.197.48.109] (helo=gemini.smart.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KILb-0002sn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 13:16:51 +0000 Received: from dpc000 ([162.33.221.127]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13785 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:16:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c29d29$bcfccfa0$cc28730a@direcpc.com> From: "lloyd chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <001301c29d1f$09673160$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:16:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Friday - Saturday Test? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie,John I'll take a listen tonite and see what I can hear... de Lloyd W3NF FM19MH(Maryland) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Friday - Saturday Test? > Laurie, > > > Very happy to beacon tonight on 73 if anyone able to listen/look. > > I'll be happy to look (listening would be fruitless!). I will be home around > 2230. The usual 72.401? > > W4DEX may not be available for this one, as he's still recovering from the > ice storm. Otherwise, I'll put the word out over here. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10011 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 12:24:38 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 12:24:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 23006 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 12:24:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 12:24:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KHWL-0002jI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:23:53 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KHWL-0002j9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:23:53 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18KHWA-00021r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:23:42 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18KHVz-00057W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:23:31 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021206113746.02895c58@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:23:30 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <12a.1c772615.2b1fe0f8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF receiving? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, My colleague Dave Lauder, G0SNO, has spent some time investigating ADSL and similar, and has occasionally discussed this in his EMC column in RadCom. Apparently, the idea is that so long as the phone line is accurately balanced, the differential-mode ADSL signal will generate minimal radiated QRM. However, unbalance in the phone line or its termination will lead to "mode conversion" producing common mode signals which can be radiated. This is not too much of a problem for the phone line itself, basically a twisted pair, but once it gets into the house, the UK phone extension wiring uses a 3 wire system which is inherently unbalanced. A splitter which separates out the ADSL and phone signals where the phone line comes into the building ought to minimise this, so the major concern is "splitterless" ADSL, which may be the same as the "wires only" installation that was talked about. I expect that, like most EMC issues, how much of a problem it actually is will depend on the individual phone installation, how close it is to the LF antenna, and the transmission characteristics of that particular phone line to the exchange etc. I guess it would be mostly a near field source of QRM rather than actually radiating - but with overhead phone lines, "near field" could cover a wide area - probably your neighbor's ADSL would be more of a concern then - you can't just unplug it! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29640 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 12:00:37 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 12:00:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29017 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KH9Y-0002cT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:00:20 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.23] (helo=dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KH9X-0002c1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:00:20 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx13.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 14872004 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 06:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001301c29d1f$09673160$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:00:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Friday - Saturday Test? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, > Very happy to beacon tonight on 73 if anyone able to listen/look. I'll be happy to look (listening would be fruitless!). I will be home around 2230. The usual 72.401? W4DEX may not be available for this one, as he's still recovering from the ice storm. Otherwise, I'll put the word out over here. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24685 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 10:22:49 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 10:22:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 14129 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 10:22:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 10:22:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18KFY0-0002MO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:17:28 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.174] (helo=cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18KFXx-0002M9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from modem-25.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.153.153] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18KFXw-0006hd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:17:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c29d11$db0d9320$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:24:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Friday - Saturday Test? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" > The Kp index has been slowly dropping this week. As of this writing, it is > below 2.0. Maybe with a little luck, the evening of 6-7 Dec would be > interesting for a 73 or 136 kHz T/A test? > Very happy to beacon tonight on 73 if anyone able to listen/look. 73 Laurie. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3870 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:21:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:21:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 28170 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:20:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:20:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18K86C-0001WN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:20:16 +0000 Received: from [210.86.15.146] (helo=mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18K86A-0001W9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:20:15 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021206021942.OBBG240.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:19:42 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([219.88.54.214]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20021206021941.GTTU688.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:19:41 +1300 Message-ID: <000801c29ccd$f469d340$7b2a58db@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:19:05 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH tests 27, 28 & 29 Dec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUBJECT_MONTH,SUBJECT_MONTH_2, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, ZL6QH is planning LF beacon transmissions for 27, 28 and 29 December. This is the weekend between Christmas and New Year (also summer holiday time downunder :-) Sunset at ZL6QH is nominally 0752 UTC, and sunrise nominally 1655 UTC for those days. As for previous beacon tests, the format is FSK transmission with 137.7890/137.7886 kHz, 120 second dot length, with identifier QQQQQ.... 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27433 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 01:26:27 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 16143 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Dec 2002 01:26:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:26:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18K7Br-0001Oi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:22:03 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.25] (helo=dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18K7Bq-0001OZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:22:02 +0000 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx15.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 5900562 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c29cc5$dea2d960$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:21:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Friday - Saturday Test? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The Kp index has been slowly dropping this week. As of this writing, it is below 2.0. Maybe with a little luck, the evening of 6-7 Dec would be interesting for a 73 or 136 kHz T/A test? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3076 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 22:36:04 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 22:36:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 29857 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 22:35:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 22:35:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18K4ZO-00015Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:34:10 +0000 Received: from [216.93.66.203] (helo=mail4.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18K4ZN-00015P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:34:09 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d134.as1.mpls0.mn.voyager.net [169.207.171.40]) by mail4.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id gB5MY7V33374 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:34:08 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:34:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: LF: RE: W4DEX Web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I have seen that many nights from time to time. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurie Mayhead Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 5:55 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: W4DEX Web site Is anyone else having trouble with www.gostanley.com/w4dex/75khz/hbg.jpg I have been trying to download last nights plot since 0830 but am greeted with message Gateway timeout,server unreachable. Don't know the wether trouble is with my server or what! 73 Laurie. _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14089 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 20:28:21 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 20:28:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 2923 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 20:27:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 20:27:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18K2ZM-0000sh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:26:00 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18K2ZM-0000sY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:26:00 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021205202645.KUXL766.host3@att.net> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:26:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3DEFB661.1332E00A@att.net> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:26:09 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Subject: Re: LF: W4DEX Web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Laurie, We are experiencing a major ice storm here in NC. The AC power was lost due to falling tree limbs about 3 a.m. local time. The server, which is also at my location, is on a UPS but it will only run the server a few hours. I had terminated the HGB plot prior to finally loosing AC because the antenna was icing up and the signal level was falling. Also the AC power was hitting several hours before it finally failed. Now at 3 p.m. local time the AC power has been restored but may fail again at any time. There was hardly no melting of the ice during the day and the temp is now falling with the trees still loaded with ice. If the wind starts blowing we are in for more trouble. We have tons of broken limbs on the ground all around the house but so far only minor roof damage. The loop antenna was damaged but should be easy to repair. It will be several days at best before I will be able to resume monitoring and posting the plots. 73, Dex Laurie Mayhead wrote: > > Is anyone else having trouble with www.gostanley.com/w4dex/75khz/hbg.jpg > I have been trying to download last nights plot since 0830 but am greeted > with message Gateway timeout,server unreachable. > Don't know the wether trouble is with my server or what! > 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13026 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 18:11:00 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 18:11:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 12511 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 18:11:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18K0SZ-0000d7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:10:51 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18K0SY-0000cy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:10:50 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.208.72]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021205181050.BVRW19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:10:50 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c29c89$9736d180$48d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002f01c29c47$843b8720$01cdfc3e@ian> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:09:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73Khz TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Kyle" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:17 AM Subject: LF: 73Khz TX > Well, it had to happen sooner or later given the maltreatment the poor thing > has had recently, but my TX is out of commission pending the arrival of some > new BUZ900 and BUZ905 Mosfets. Will post again when repairs and tests have > been perpetrated. > > 73 de, > > Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ Ian, by the time you fix that old beast you could build a robust YXM OR MRF hi power mosfet amp that would virtually be impossible to ZAP. I built a YXM type with some mods some years ago and it is still going strong and no blown fets. I use 4 x 75N10 devices ie each one 75 amps at 100 volts. I use about 16 volts and they run just warm. Its the same story with the old Decca Jeep, by the time you modify it by rewinding coils and constructing the relay switching etc you could build a custom tx at about the same power out in far less time. gl de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26456 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 17:23:49 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 17:23:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 19759 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 17:23:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 17:23:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jzhs-0000VZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:22:36 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jzhs-0000VQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:22:36 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b2) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:22:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c29c82$eaf743b0$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <12a.1c772615.2b1fe0f8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:22:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: ADSL EMC with LF receiving? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Markus and all, Interference to LF reception by DSL: The +12 dBm figure is total power. I believe that the spec requires the PSD to be a maximum of -30 dBm/Hz; looks like my modem is running about -34 dBm/Hz. It's possible that some providers run illegal power on noisy lines (sound familiar?). A typical CPE ADSL line driver can put out 40 V p-p differential into 100 ohms. If there are 20 upstream bins, linear operation would entail no more than 2 V p-p per bin, which corresponds to about -26 dBm/Hz. The above figures assume spectral peaks 3 dB above the average. Even at the higher figure, I would think that with Cat-5 cable from the modem to where the aerial or underground phone cable enters the house, you should be fine, as long as your antenna was at least a few meters from the Cat-5, and you put the DSL low pass filter near the cable entry. If you still had trouble, I would first suspect the SMPS for the modem! Interference to DSL downstream from LF Tx: I agree with Markus that DSL is very robust; disruption of TCP traffic is extremely unlikely. If your application is harmed by individual lost packets, e.g. Internet telephony, then you might lose a little audio each time your Tx keys on :) 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF receiving? > Hi all, > > most of the messages in this thread have focussed on potential interference > from the LF-TX to the ADSL connection. Being digital, I would assume that > below a certain threshold there would be no noticable interference at all, > and even above that level, error correction protocols and adaptive channel > allocation would make it relatively robust. > > However, the emissions from an inadequately shielded ADSL line could be a > significant noise source for LF reception. - The background noise level here > on a quiet day is around -25dBuV/m in 1Hz, which on the terminals of my > Marconi (having -31dB efficiency) is about -107dBm/Hz or -81dBm/4kHz. > Stewart's log excerpt indicates a modem power of 12dBm, is that power per > channel? If so, the isolation between ADSL and the LF antenna would have to > be better than 93dB, which seems fairly demanding. With small receive loops > in the vicinity of the wiring, the situation could be even worse. > > As I am still using plain old analog telephony and a V.90 modem here, this is > only a rough theoretical estimate, and I wonder if somebody has experienced > any problems in actual practice. > > Regards > Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8091 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 17:14:21 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 17:14:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 10469 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 17:14:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 17:14:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JzYj-0000SZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:13:09 +0000 Received: from [195.238.3.91] (helo=durendal.skynet.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JzYj-0000SQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 17:13:09 +0000 Received: from fa298072SKYNET (5.214-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.214.5]) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with SMTP id gB5HD7021946 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:13:07 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <00f501c29c81$a642b8e0$05d6c850@fa298072SKYNET> From: "SOMMEREYNS RUDDY" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <51C6B2EFA37ED242B3F0C131C10B1082015CFB6E@TMS011MB.tcad.telia.se> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:13:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: HP3586A advice? 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Karl,
 
On the first question: This is correct. There are 2 separate oscillators, one for LSB and the other
for USB. They are not locked to the "master oscillator". The 2 xtals are located on the" A22" board. Then there is a divide by 100 IC and this signal goes to a product detector ( MC1496).
The IF is 15625 khz. That is what I recall from memory.
On the second question, I do not know but can look it up.
 
73,
 
Ruddy
ON6UX 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:33 AM
Subject: LF: HP3586A advice?

Gentlemen,
 
A HP3586A selective level meter recently followed me home, but without any documentation.
I intend to use it as the basis for precision LF/MF/HF off-air frequency measurement applications,
and I wonder if the combined wisdom of this reflector could help with a few questions about this equipment:
 
1. In the selective level or SSB carrier measuring mode,the IF resulting from the incoming signal is translated to an audio baseband with the help
of a BFO giving a 1850 Hz beat tone. It appears to me that the BFO is not phase-locked to the reference oscillator.
Can anyone confirm this assumption?
 
2. There is a function labeled "counter" that supposedly enables the user to measure a signal frequency within the IF passband of the
HP3586A. Is this correct, and how is this function enabled in operation?
 
73/
 
Karl-Arne Markstrom
SM0AOM
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15081 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 16:51:58 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 16:51:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8695 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 16:51:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 16:51:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jz9v-0000Lz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:47:31 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jz9v-0000Lq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:47:31 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.161]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021205164730.KUVW29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:47:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c29c7d$f2e600c0$a1e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:46:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: dbf39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
DBF39 is back and measured strength just now is -23db
                                                                           b/width 500 hz
                                                                           Ant-90metre vertical loop resonant on the freq followed by a decca preamp then the spm12.
 
The above readings equate to S9 + 40 on the ic706 with a 250 hz b/width.
 
Exact qth here is N 54.29770 W 0.45564 using GPS accuracy indicated 15 feet.
 
Those so inclined might like to make some calculations on the above data.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20061 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 14:18:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 14:18:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 21052 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 14:18:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 14:18:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JwpI-0007xP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:18:04 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JwpH-0007xG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:18:03 +0000 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gB5EI1u15245 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA29405; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:18:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001501c29c69$9b8e7960$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> <000f01c29c67$15e7c2f0$0700000a@parissn2> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:21:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: W4DEX Web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Well, that URL is incorrect, Dex's data is on www.gostanly.com . But the > host seems to be down or off the Net; the last responses to traceroute > from various locations shows: There was a major ice storm in his area last night. It's likely that some things are not working properly. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19251 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 14:05:13 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 14:05:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 19358 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 14:04:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 14:04:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jwc7-0007qK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:04:27 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.227] (helo=warrior.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jwc7-0007ps-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:04:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 21727 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 14:03:55 -0000 Received: from modem-112-43-60-62.vip.uk.com (HELO hugh) (62.60.43.112) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 14:03:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000101c29c66$b0e09260$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:47:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: W4DEX Web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Yes (or should that be no?) I can't look at the picture of the the crowbar and hammer either :-( I get error 404, page not found. Maybe the State-side Internet is in bed, asleep at the moment ? 73 Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: LF: W4DEX Web site > Is anyone else having trouble with www.gostanley.com/w4dex/75khz/hbg.jpg > I have been trying to download last nights plot since 0830 but am greeted > with message Gateway timeout,server unreachable. > Don't know the wether trouble is with my server or what! > 73 Laurie. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1311 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 14:04:19 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 14:04:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 18601 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 14:04:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 14:04:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jwb6-0007pc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:03:24 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jwb6-0007pT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 14:03:24 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b2) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:03:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c29c67$15e7c2f0$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: W4DEX Web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Laurie and all, Well, that URL is incorrect, Dex's data is on www.gostanly.com . But the host seems to be down or off the Net; the last responses to traceroute from various locations shows: 9 modempool-f010.rt03.cncrnc.ctc.net (166.82.238.16) 63.523 ms 65.546 ms 63.172 ms 10 166.82.103.146 (166.82.103.146) 67.765 ms 67.135 ms 67.964 ms The 166.82 net belongs to Vnet in Huntersville, NC, US, so it seems that the trouble is pretty close to Dex. --Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: LF: W4DEX Web site > Is anyone else having trouble with www.gostanley.com/w4dex/75khz/hbg.jpg > I have been trying to download last nights plot since 0830 but am greeted > with message Gateway timeout,server unreachable. > Don't know the wether trouble is with my server or what! > 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31939 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 13:03:50 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 13:03:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 24223 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 13:04:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 13:04:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JvfR-0007hT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:03:49 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk ident=mail) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JvfQ-0007hK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:03:48 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JvfQ-0001Zm-00 for ; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:03:48 +0000 Received: from a7j7r2 (bts-0721.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.209]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id gB5D3hO28098 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:03:43 GMT Message-ID: <000101c29c5e$c1d64860$d132f7c2@a7j7r2> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <036201c29bcc$641d4a30$0101a8c0@athlon> <3DEE6227.7060107@virgin.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20021204193347.00a8d3f8@pop2.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:32:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kayser" > One final point, if you doing the ADSL setup yourself. The North American > ADSL/HDSL systems are largely line powered. It takes a major effort to > deliver 1W of DC to the far end of a long local loop so they regularly see > both sides of the 120VDC office battery for a total of nearly 250 V DC on > the loop from the central office. This can cause some very strong > reactions when ones fingers get into the stuff so if your doing it yourself > it is best to be careful, many of us have forgotten how to live with higher > voltages with all this 5 and 12 v stuff hi. If I recall correctly, UK practice was to run Strowger (TXS), reed-electronic (TXE) and crossbar (TXK) exchange equipment all off 50V dc. I do not know what later technologies such as System X used, but I believe there was a Health and Safety aspect which would tend to encourage the use of lower rather than higher voltages. Does anybody have more recent knowledge of this? Regards, John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27436 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 12:46:47 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 12:46:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10644 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 12:46:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 12:46:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JvO5-0007do-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:45:53 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JvO5-0007df-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:45:53 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.187]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021205124552.SVDZ21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:45:52 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c29c5c$30af14e0$bbe8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <60.29f3c3d1.2b2064f0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:01:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: DBF39 off air Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:14 AM
Subject: LF: DBF39 off air

Hi all,

the Burg telecontrol transmitter on 138830 has gone off air a few minutes ago (08:00UT). That was preceded by a period of time where it transmitted a denser sequence of telegrams than DCF49, instead of the usual master-slave synchronism with 60ms delay.

The upper part of band is much more quiet without the Luxembourg IM.

Markus, DF6NM
I use this signal as a reference to check that all is well with my antenna and rx. It was absent this morning when I checked my system. On my 90 Metre E/W loop resonant on 136 khz DBF39 reads S9 + 40 db.on the IC706 and is usually a fairly steady signal. 
On the spm12 the signal reads -30 db 
QTH IO94SH (N 54.29770 W 0.45564) GPS measurement
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16912 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 11:54:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 11:54:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 17285 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 11:54:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 11:54:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JuZz-0007Tu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:54:07 +0000 Received: from [194.65.79.76] (helo=sapo.pt) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JuZy-0007Tl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:54:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 5885 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 11:54:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sapo.pt) (194.65.79.73) by relay2.ptm.pt with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 11:54:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 29725 invoked by uid 0); 5 Dec 2002 11:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO slave-6.sapo.pt) (as1117094@sapo.pt@[213.13.224.102]) (envelope-sender ) by sapo.pt (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Dec 2002 11:53:59 -0000 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20021205113806.00a7a1f0@pop.sapo.pt> X-Sender: as1117094@sapo.pt@pop.sapo.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:59:15 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Teletron LWF45, Sound Blaster Audio PC128 model 4810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Teletron LWF45 In answer to my question Dick kindly gave me this information: I have no circuit diagram either. But I found that by applying about 30mV to the left contact of one of the crystal sockets (and selecting that one ....) I got the same output as when using the internal VFO. The IF is 30kHz. I tested it on DCF39 by injecting 168.8kHz as local oscillator signal from an HP 606B signal generator. Good luck! It is an fb receiver with its excellent front end selectivity. 73, Dick, PA0SE P.S. It may be useful to put this message on the reflector. Sound Blaster AudioPCI 128 (model 4810 on pcb) Having spent three frustrating days trying to install two of these cards on two different computers to work with SpecLab, which I had already had working for over a year previously, I found that the driver: Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI (WDM) supports the two cards on my system. Hope this may save somebody frustration and time. Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15218 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 11:49:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 11:49:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 11630 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 11:48:44 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 11:48:44 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JuTt-0007RZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:47:49 +0000 Received: from [195.92.195.173] (helo=cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JuTt-0007RQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:47:49 +0000 Received: from modem-39.carcharoth.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.145.167] helo=f3a3a2) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18JuTs-0000rC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:47:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c29c55$50845c00$ea00a8c0@f3a3a2> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:55:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: W4DEX Web site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Is anyone else having trouble with www.gostanley.com/w4dex/75khz/hbg.jpg I have been trying to download last nights plot since 0830 but am greeted with message Gateway timeout,server unreachable. Don't know the wether trouble is with my server or what! 73 Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13468 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 11:02:33 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 11:02:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12557 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 11:02:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 11:02:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jtkx-0007LN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:01:23 +0000 Received: from [149.174.40.130] (helo=siaab2ab.compuserve.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jtkw-0007Kx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:01:22 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaab2ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.15) id GAA06163 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 06:00:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:59:52 -0500 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200212050600_MC3-1-1DDA-4D34@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: LF: 73Khz TX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Group, >Well, it had to happen sooner or later given the maltreatment >the poor thing has had recently, but my TX is out of >commission pending the arrival of some new BUZ900 >and BUZ905 Mosfets. Will post again when repairs and tests have >been perpetrated. ... we should include a figure in our TMO/RST system, indicating the number of FETs that we have burned in our LF PAs. I then probably would sign "569-24" ... ;-) Ian, good luch with your repair work, I have heard about people getting so competent in changing FETs that they have done this within the QSO partner's over in the middle of a QRSS-QSO. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) ... who always keeps 1 dozen IRFP-450 in stock! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16840 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 10:18:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 10:18:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 9605 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 10:18:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 10:18:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jt4R-0007EZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:17:27 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jt4Q-0007EQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 10:17:26 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.205.1]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021205101725.MFV29609.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:17:25 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c29c47$843b8720$01cdfc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:17:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73Khz TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Well, it had to happen sooner or later given the maltreatment the poor thing has had recently, but my TX is out of commission pending the arrival of some new BUZ900 and BUZ905 Mosfets. Will post again when repairs and tests have been perpetrated. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23390 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 08:55:43 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 08:55:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 3749 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 08:55:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 08:55:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JrmQ-00071v-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:54:46 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JrmQ-00071m-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:54:46 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([80.4.106.77]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021205085445.NYCN2181.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:54:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c29c3c$1768a520$4d6a0450@oemcomputer> From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:55:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any > problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL installation > and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come to that!). > 73 John, G3WKL Not quite what you asked, but it may be helpful: I use a cable modem here (from NTL) which gives me 'always on' at 128kb (upgradable easily to 1Mb) which seems to be four times faster than my '56k' dial-up. The modem is 1m from my LF Tx and 4m from the antenna. I have so far not experienced any problems to or from my LF station. Of course the cable is coaxial which helps. The modem is in a plastic case, but this is silver coloured and may have some metallic properties. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6945 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 08:16:08 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 08:16:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8833 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 08:15:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 08:15:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JrAE-0006w4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:15:18 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.98] (helo=imo-r02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JrAD-0006vt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:15:17 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.60.29f3c3d1 (4004) for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:14:41 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <60.29f3c3d1.2b2064f0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 03:14:40 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: DBF39 off air Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all,

the Burg telecontrol transmitter on 138830 has gone off air a few minutes ago (08:00UT). That was preceded by a period of time where it transmitted a denser sequence of telegrams than DCF49, instead of the usual master-slave synchronism with 60ms delay.

The upper part of band is much more quiet without the Luxembourg IM.

Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18182 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 07:38:39 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 07:38:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18620 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 07:38:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 07:38:19 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JqWG-0006qY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 07:34:00 +0000 Received: from [131.115.230.132] (helo=tms001bb.han.telia.se) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JqWF-0006qP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 07:33:59 +0000 Received: from tms011mb.han.telia.se ([131.115.230.152]) by tms001bb.han.telia.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:33:55 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:33:55 +0100 Message-ID: <51C6B2EFA37ED242B3F0C131C10B1082015CFB6E@TMS011MB.tcad.telia.se> Thread-Topic: Re: ADSL EMC with LF receiving? Thread-Index: AcKb6Q7Ysw1KLRezSpK53anQzV3uAgARYxIw From: Karl-Arne.A.Markstrom@telia.se To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2002 07:33:55.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[AACEFB90:01C29C30] Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Subject: LF: HP3586A advice? X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0tests=HTML_50_70,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE,NO_REAL_NAME, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Gentlemen,
 
A HP3586A selective level meter recently followed me home, but without any documentation.
I intend to use it as the basis for precision LF/MF/HF off-air frequency measurement applications,
and I wonder if the combined wisdom of this reflector could help with a few questions about this equipment:
 
1. In the selective level or SSB carrier measuring mode,the IF resulting from the incoming signal is translated to an audio baseband with the help
of a BFO giving a 1850 Hz beat tone. It appears to me that the BFO is not phase-locked to the reference oscillator.
Can anyone confirm this assumption?
 
2. There is a function labeled "counter" that supposedly enables the user to measure a signal frequency within the IF passband of the
HP3586A. Is this correct, and how is this function enabled in operation?
 
73/
 
Karl-Arne Markstrom
SM0AOM
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31832 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 01:47:07 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 01:47:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 15810 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 01:46:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 01:46:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jl5x-0006Kn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:46:29 +0000 Received: from [216.93.66.205] (helo=mail0.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jl5w-0006Ke-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:46:28 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d88.as0.mpls0.mn.voyager.net [169.207.102.88]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id gB51kRb77430 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:46:27 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:47:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <3DEEAAAC.53571659@att.net> Subject: RE: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble (survives exploratory surgery) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I like that hammer and crow bar!!! Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dexter McIntyre W4DEX Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 7:24 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble (survives exploratory surgery) I'm so proud of the SPM-19 repair I took a picture of it plus tools. http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/temp/SPM19a.jpg Dex _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1076 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 01:24:22 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 01:24:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11075 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 01:24:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 01:24:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jkk4-0006Gq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:23:52 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jkk3-0006Gh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:23:52 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021205012436.ZBLS766.host3@att.net> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:24:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3DEEAAAC.53571659@att.net> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 01:23:56 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3DEE5AE4.7614DC4@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble (survives exploratory surgery) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I'm so proud of the SPM-19 repair I took a picture of it plus tools. http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/temp/SPM19a.jpg Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14826 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:54:19 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:54:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 14898 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Dec 2002 00:54:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:54:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JkGc-0006Bj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:53:26 +0000 Received: from [209.226.175.4] (helo=tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JkGb-0006Ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:53:25 +0000 Received: from lsk.sympatico.ca ([216.208.85.176]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021205005317.FGHB15542.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@lsk.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 19:53:17 -0500 Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021204193347.00a8d3f8@pop2.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1aemm59@pop2.sympatico.ca (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:52:01 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Larry Kayser" In-reply-to: <006e01c29bd5$724a3380$09dc9384@jka> References: <036201c29bcc$641d4a30$0101a8c0@athlon> <3DEE6227.7060107@virgin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Greetings All. Maybe I can add a tiny bit of information to this discussion. Back when we started ADSL with the HDSL work in 1987 we quickly learned that the UK had a special problem (through the work of British Telecom) because of the very wide use of QUAD wire in the distribution plant. QUAD was four wires twist wound uniformly together rather than two pairs, each twisted independently. This caused the much modified ISDN (2B1Q and 4B3Q codes) based HDSL/ADSL and the multi tone modes (now almost the universal way to go) to have a special lower bit rate option for use in the UK. I was able today to find one of the current popular ADSL chip sets, in this case a multi tone type, and I see a four pins out of well over a hundred that "implement the UK option" so this must still be an issue in the UK. At the end of the day, this means the UK will have a large extra power bulge at the very low frequencies. Beyond this, there were tests done in 1990 that showed the proposed 2B1Q and multi tone models would not reach any where close to the range on UK QUAD wiring. One final point, if you doing the ADSL setup yourself. The North American ADSL/HDSL systems are largely line powered. It takes a major effort to deliver 1W of DC to the far end of a long local loop so they regularly see both sides of the 120VDC office battery for a total of nearly 250 V DC on the loop from the central office. This can cause some very strong reactions when ones fingers get into the stuff so if your doing it yourself it is best to be careful, many of us have forgotten how to live with higher voltages with all this 5 and 12 v stuff hi. Good Luck.... Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17409 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 22:56:32 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 22:56:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5640 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 22:56:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 22:56:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JiNK-0005xW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:52:14 +0000 Received: from [152.163.225.102] (helo=imo-r06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JiNJ-0005xN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:52:13 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.12a.1c772615 (4262) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:51:36 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.1c772615.2b1fe0f8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:51:36 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF receiving? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all,

most of the messages in this thread have focussed on potential interference from the LF-TX to the ADSL connection. Being digital, I would assume that below a certain threshold there would be no noticable interference at all, and even above that level, error correction protocols and adaptive channel allocation would make it relatively robust.

However, the emissions from an inadequately shielded ADSL line could be a significant noise source for LF reception. - The background noise level here on a quiet day is around -25dBuV/m in 1Hz, which on the terminals of my Marconi (having -31dB efficiency) is about -107dBm/Hz or -81dBm/4kHz. Stewart's log excerpt indicates a modem power of 12dBm, is that power per channel? If so, the isolation between ADSL and the LF antenna would have to be better than 93dB, which seems fairly demanding. With small receive loops in the vicinity of the wiring, the situation could be even worse.

As I am still using plain old analog telephony and a V.90 modem here, this is only a rough theoretical estimate, and I wonder if somebody has experienced any problems in actual practice.

Regards
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30686 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 20:38:37 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 20:38:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24904 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 20:38:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 20:38:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JgH2-0005h7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:37:36 +0000 Received: from [207.155.198.79] (helo=darius.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JgH1-0005gy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:37:36 +0000 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gB4KbXu04757 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA05720; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006e01c29bd5$724a3380$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <036201c29bcc$641d4a30$0101a8c0@athlon> <3DEE6227.7060107@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:40:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group If you want to do the wiring yourself, I would highly recommend this approach: 1. From the telephone company demarcation point, run a Cat 3 or Cat 5 cable to the DSL modem. Use one pair in the cable to complete the DSL connection. The nicely twisted computer cable should be much better at preventing egress/ingress of unwanted signals than the conventional red/green untwisted house wire. 2. At the demarcation point, install the filter that separates the baseband phone signal, and connect the rest of the household phone wiring to the output of the filter. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8544 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 20:16:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 20:16:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 5209 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 20:15:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 20:15:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jfvi-0005ak-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:15:34 +0000 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jfvh-0005aa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:15:33 +0000 Received: from virgin.net ([81.98.79.86]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021204201529.GEIB2181.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@virgin.net> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:15:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3DEE6227.7060107@virgin.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:14:31 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <036201c29bcc$641d4a30$0101a8c0@athlon> Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John This is actually an important topic, since our own installation, or that or our neighbours may have an impact on operating. To clarify Dave's point, the service provider ownes the first point of attachment in the home, so only they can legally replace this for an ADSL suitable interface (even assuming that you can get one). In my case, the ADSL entered the house via an overhead line, and then crossed within the outer area of the loft to the interface box. At this point it was within 15 feet of my G5RV which I occasionally used on 136KHz. What you might be able to do on your own installation is to put the ADSL router on the house master socket and then put a low pass filter in line with the telephone connection to the rest of the house. Presumably you could use one of the socket filters to do this. Stewart Dave Brown wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W Gould" > snip > (only BT here in > >>the UK offers "engineer assisted" as they own the "local loop"). > > > But they don't own the house wiring, do they? > Any good reason why you cannot install an 'engineer assisted' wiring > arrangement yourself, John? > > Here in ZL the 'engineer assisted' variation is one option- the other being > DIY-however and whatever you want-any and all resulting problems with either > service being yours to deal to as well! > Naturally the recommended method is to replicate the 'engineer assisted' > installation but not all bother. > > Just before I left Telecom NZ a month or two ago I had been carrying out > extensive testing into the vulnerability or otherwise of ADSL- believe me, > it is VERY robust, especially downstream. I expect your main problem at 136 > kHz would be related to the susceptibility of the ADSL modem in the general > EMC sense, rather than any ADSL specific issues. > 73 > Dave > ZL3FJ > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1217 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 20:14:31 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 20:14:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4632 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 20:15:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 20:15:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jfua-0005Zw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:14:24 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.40] (helo=imo-d08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jfua-0005Zn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:14:24 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.10f.1b01c9f3 (4459) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:13:45 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <10f.1b01c9f3.2b1fbbf8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:13:44 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: Re: LF: carrier and others Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0tests=MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello all,

I had a directional spectrogram running during the day. The unidentified carrier came on abt 7:35 and disappeared abt 13:40, frequency drifting slightly between 137607.3 and 137610.1Hz. It was strong here, around 29dBuV/m (!) and coming in from 170° (SSE) +-5°.

SXV also came on with a carrier on 135.8kHz (DOA 135° = SE) at around 14:50, and turned on their traditional FSK since 17:20, which is much wider than the encrypted QPSK31 they were using last week.

This weekend, the old FM spurs around DLF (153k) have returned as well, with wideband splatters around 136kHz, having a variable spectral density on the order of 11dBuV/m per 100Hz here. Extrapolated to about 4kHz total bandwidth, this would be 0.3W transmitted EMRP or -59 dBc below their 250kW nighttime power.

73 de Markus,
DF6NM in Nuernberg, JN59NK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2825 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 19:44:03 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 19:44:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 18414 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 19:43:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 19:43:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JfQf-0005Uf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:43:29 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JfQe-0005UV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:43:28 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021204194440.ETTU665.host4@att.net>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:44:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3DEE5AE4.7614DC4@att.net> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:43:32 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble (survives exploratory surgery) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The SPM-19 lives! Thanks to Jim Moritz, I was able to locate the problem in the 40.01 MHz 2nd LO PLL circuit. A 2N918 transistor on the PLL board was open. Replaced it with a NTE161 and now the VCO is locked. A wandering VCO was causing the off frequency problem. Now to find holes for all those screws! What a beautifully engineered piece of equipment. W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11090 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 19:37:11 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 19:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 47 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 19:37:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 19:37:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JfJc-0005RI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:36:12 +0000 Received: from [203.109.254.41] (helo=grunt1.ihug.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JfJb-0005R5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 19:36:12 +0000 Received: from p57-max10.chc.ihug.co.nz (athlon) [203.173.226.57] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18JfJP-0003rr-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:36:00 +1300 Message-ID: <036201c29bcc$641d4a30$0101a8c0@athlon> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:35:59 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Gould" snip (only BT here in > the UK offers "engineer assisted" as they own the "local loop"). But they don't own the house wiring, do they? Any good reason why you cannot install an 'engineer assisted' wiring arrangement yourself, John? Here in ZL the 'engineer assisted' variation is one option- the other being DIY-however and whatever you want-any and all resulting problems with either service being yours to deal to as well! Naturally the recommended method is to replicate the 'engineer assisted' installation but not all bother. Just before I left Telecom NZ a month or two ago I had been carrying out extensive testing into the vulnerability or otherwise of ADSL- believe me, it is VERY robust, especially downstream. I expect your main problem at 136 kHz would be related to the susceptibility of the ADSL modem in the general EMC sense, rather than any ADSL specific issues. 73 Dave ZL3FJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13149 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 17:58:13 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 17:58:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 3364 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 17:57:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 17:57:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jdlt-0005Go-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:57:17 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jdls-0005Gf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:57:16 +0000 Received: from host213-122-48-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.48.51] helo=presario-1920) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18Jdlr-0001Yz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:57:15 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:01:54 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <004801c29b92$f7917230$0700000a@parissn2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Stewart - thanks for the interesting comments. The position is that I'm considering "buying" so can't do any tests. Not sure if outside the UK xDSL offerings use the same terms, thus "Engineer assisted" = single filter at the telphone's master socket (where the outside line to the service provider enters the house). The filter separates the ADSL signalling and data to a dedicated new cable that goes to a new socket for the ADSL modem. All existing telephone extension cables have the ADSL signals removed from them. "Wires only" = ADSL signals and data come into the house extension wiring and up to each socket into which one plugs your telephone, fax, etc. To filter off the ADSL signal from these equipments you insert a filter into the equipment socket. Obviously for the ADSL modem you don't use a filter. The former is quite expensive relative to the latter, and is the better engineering solution. What I'm really interested in before I "buy" is whether anyone has experienced the "wires only" in close proximity to an amateur LF station. It would be nice to get away with the cheaper option, which also has the flexibility in terms of service provider (only BT here in the UK offers "engineer assisted" as they own the "local loop"). Apologies to all on the reflector who find the topic tedious - promise that this will be my last posting to the reflector on the topic! 73 John, G3WKL > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stewart Nelson > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 12:45 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? > > > Hi John and all, > > A few comments on measuring DSL interference effects: > > Here in Paris, I have the cheapest ADSL service from France Télécom. > Advertised speeds are 512 kbps downstream and 128 kbps upstream. > I am using a Cisco 827-4V, which is a combination modem, router, and > VOIP unit. A portion of the result of a "show dsl interface atm0" > command is shown below. There are verbose details about signal and > noise in each bin which are not posted. Your modem should have > similar information available, but the commands to show it will of > course be different. > > The 608 kbps (DS) and 160 (US) values allow for protocol overhead. > You can see that this line could accommodate much higher speeds. > On my unit, the downstream Noise Margin updates every few seconds, > so one could easily test if transmitting LF causes it to degrade > (I don't have a transmitter here). If your real-time S/N is not > displayed, then just reboot the modem with the transmitter on and > see if the value (derived during training) changes. > > The DMT bins are 4 kHz each, so you can see that 136 kHz lands > well between the US and DS bands; any trouble would be caused > by harmonics. IMO, interference to the upstream is very unlikely. > Moderate downstream interference will be corrected on the fly by > the Reed-Solomon code; check the error statistics. Uncorrectable > errors are retried at the DSL level, and when that fails, at the > TCP level. Before TCP gives up, the modem will renegotiate and > retrain with the DSLAM, resuming operation at a lower speed. > > As a result, I doubt that you will see any TCP failures. But > I am quite curious if LF transmission causes any Reed-Solomon > errors, or if the displayed downstream Noise Margin is reduced. > > 73, > > Stewart KK7KA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ATU-R (DS) ATU-C (US) > Modem Status: Showtime (DMTDSL_SHOWTIME) > DSL Mode: ITU G.992.1 (G.DMT) > ITU STD NUM: 0x01 0x1 > Vendor ID: 'ALCB' 'ALCB' > Vendor Specific: 0x0000 0x0000 > Vendor Country: 0x00 0x0F > Capacity Used: 9% 23% > Noise Margin: 33.5 dB 31.0 dB > Output Power: 12.5 dBm 12.0 dBm > Attenuation: 32.0 dB 19.0 dB > Defect Status: None None > Last Fail Code: None > Selftest Result: 0x34 > Subfunction: 0x02 > Interrupts: 3197 (1 spurious) > Activations: 1 > SW Version: 3.666 > FW Version: 0x1A04 > > Interleave Fast Interleave Fast > Speed (kbps): 608 0 160 0 > Reed-Solomon EC: 0 0 0 0 > CRC Errors: 0 0 0 0 > Header Errors: 0 0 0 0 > Bit Errors: 0 0 > BER Valid sec: 0 0 > BER Invalid sec: 0 0 > > DMT Bits Per Bin > 00: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 3 4 4 4 4 > 10: 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 0 0 > 20: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 > 30: 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 > 40: 3 3 4 3 3 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 > 50: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 2 2 2 > 60: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 > 70: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 > 80: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 0 0 0 > 90: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > A0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > B0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > C0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > D0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > E0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > F0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks for the comments guys - as I would expect all seems OK with the > > "Engineer Installed". Does anyone have any experience of the > "Wires only", > > which to me seems more likely to be a problem? > > > > No-one has commented on any degredation of data on the ADSL > connection due > > to LF transmitting equipment in the shack - maybe the TCPIP > protocol to an > > extent hides any effect. > > > > Paul's comment below didn't seem to come through? > > > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23546 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 16:51:06 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 16:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 27321 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 16:50:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 16:50:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jcj7-00057n-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:50:21 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jcj7-00057e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:50:21 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.229.69]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021204165020.PLVW19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:50:20 +0000 Message-ID: <005101c29bb5$2e5e19e0$50e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:49:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: carrier Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks to Dave/yxm and Gus/sm6bhz who also heard this carrier. It was S9 plus here and Dave, not sure what time it went off but it was during the afternoon, so looks like the same thing.
I thought it might have been Gus who was also very strong 599 on 136.5 khz.
If it was coming from the South maybe someone tuning up a turbo charged intercooler Decca Jeep
or it could have been Rik to the East with his new super loop soaking up 175 amps RF.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25021 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 16:36:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 16:36:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 16723 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 16:36:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 16:36:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JcUy-00053P-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:35:44 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JcUx-00053G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:35:44 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.80]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021204163542.LEXD21179.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:35:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c29bb3$23256620$50e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:34:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: carrier Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The carrier on 137.6 switched off earlier this afternoon. I did hear SM5BHZ calling CQ later on 136.5
at 599 plus it might have been this station. I was out in the garden and heard the CQ and did not write the call down, so I hope I have got it right, I have heard this stn before, always very strong.
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6349 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 15:19:59 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:19:59 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 9803 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 15:19:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:19:49 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JbHp-0004rh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:18:05 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JbHo-0004rY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:18:04 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18JbHT-0006Mx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:17:43 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JbHR-00007J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:17:41 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021204150317.00b14250@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:13:49 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <001501c29ba2$de4eab20$1c076c0a@arenanet.fi> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Matti, At 16:38 04/12/2002 +0200, you wrote: >I have SPM-19 too but without any manuals. Could you plase check what kind >of input impedance is in "unbal 75" but selected without termination >(infinite). The manual says " > 10kohm//60pF" in the infinite impedance position. The additional attenuation caused by connecting this input across a 75 ohm system is specified as less than 0.05dB at frequencies up to 1MHz. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13440 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 14:47:21 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 14:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 13719 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 14:47:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 14:47:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jan6-0004l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:46:20 +0000 Received: from [212.181.52.4] (helo=mail.g.bonet.se) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jan5-0004kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:46:19 +0000 Received: from gus (as4-6-4.td.g.bonet.se [194.236.142.119]) by mail.g.bonet.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB4Ehcmr089918 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:43:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from begu@algonet.se) Message-ID: <003501c29ba4$02508b50$6500a8c0@gus> From: "Gus Bassman" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c29b86$273e1c20$a0e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <002501c29b9b$e1f10360$1700a8c0@home> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:46:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: carrier Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The carrier has appeared on 137.6 khz this morning also in SM , abt S8 !
 
SM6BHZ/Gus
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Pick
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: LF: Re: carrier

Mal.
 
Did it go off at about 13.30? If that's it it DFed SE from me but it could have been a local PC monitor harmonic.
 
Dave 'YXM.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: LF: carrier

A new carrier has appeared on 137.6 khz this morning. Very strong over S9. No modulation so far.
Can anyone else hear it.
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25824 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 14:39:34 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 14:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 7869 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 14:39:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 14:39:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Jafo-0004hA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:38:48 +0000 Received: from [193.229.0.41] (helo=fep01-app.kolumbus.fi) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Jafn-0004h1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:38:48 +0000 Received: from merocomp ([62.248.241.20]) by fep01-app.kolumbus.fi with SMTP id <20021204143844.RZMA639.fep01-app.kolumbus.fi@merocomp> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:38:44 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c29ba2$de4eab20$1c076c0a@arenanet.fi> From: "Matti Niemela" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:38:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Jim, I have SPM-19 too but without any manuals. Could you plase check what kind of input impedance is in "unbal 75" but selected without termination (infinite). Instrument works great if not gone to couple of error states caused by impurity in relay contacts (my guess). 73 de Matti/OH2ZT ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble > Dear Dex, > > There are only 2 frequency conversions in the SPM19 - one to the 40MHz > first IF (which is what the 40-65MHz LO signal does), and the second to the > 10kHz final IF. You could include a third conversion to get the demod audio > out at 2kHz as I recall - but I don't think you could be using the audio > output for level measurement because it has permanently-on AGC. So I guess > the problem you have must lie in the 40MHz to 10kHz conversion oscillator > > I have the circuit diagrams for the SPM19, so I will take a look and can > send the relevant diagrams if neccessary. BTW, when you say the frequency > is wrong by 1.792kHz, how are you measuring this? is it high or low? One of > the manuals also contains a list of error messages, but they usually are > not very helpful - 100 ways to tell you it isn't working! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17791 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 13:56:31 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 13:56:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 19688 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 13:56:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 13:56:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JZzx-0004ZC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:55:33 +0000 Received: from [134.58.10.57] (helo=mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JZzx-0004Yp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:55:33 +0000 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by mail3.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gB4Dt2w8018796; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:55:02 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021204142920.0316b880@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 15:01:40 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202111230.00b039c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <3DEACD19.8060603@verizon.net> <200212020231.gB22VKX01474@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: candlelight award Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group A bit off topic, but maybe interesting for the weak signal enthousiasts : The Candlelight Award (2002-2003) In the period november 2002 - april 2003 a number of ON stations, guided by ON5EX, will do some low power tests on HF : Date UTC Frequency Callsign Position (dec. degrees) power (mW) Mode 24-11-2002 1800-2000 10140,17 ON5EX 50,979N:3,6945E 10 DFCW, shift 10Hz, 10s dots 08-12-2002 0530-0600 10145,00 ON5UK 50,989N:3,6345E 50 QRSS CW, 3s dots 22-12-2002 1900-2000 7032,55 ON7YD 50,979N:4.708E 10 DFCW, shift 10Hz, 10s dots 05-01-2003 1900-2000 28060,00 ON4AXW 50,919N:3,7951E 10 QRSS CW, 3s dots 19-01-2003 1800-2000 10140,17 ON5EX 50,979N:3,6945E 5 DFCW, shift 10Hz, 10s dots 02-02-2003 0530-0600 10145,00 ON5UK 50,989N:3,6345E 100 QRSS CW, 3s dots 16-02-2003 1900-2000 7032,55 ON7YD 50,979N:4.708E 10 DFCW, shift 10Hz, 10s dots 02-03-2003 1900-2000 1839,00 ON4AXW 50,919N:3,7951E 100 Slowfeld 1.1, 2 char/min 16-03-2003 1800-2000 10140,17 ON5EX 50,979N:3,6945E 1 DFCW, 10Hz shift, 10s dots 30-03-2003 0530-0600 10145,00 ON5UK 50,989N:3,6345E 50 QRSS CW, 3 s dots 13-04-2003 1900-2000 7032,55 ON7YD 50,979N:4.708E 10 DFCW, shift 10Hz, 10s dots 27-04-2003 1900-2000 21055,00 ON4AXW 50,919N:3,7951E 10 QRSS CW, 3s dots All station will transmit their callsign followed by a 5 character code repeated 5 times. eg. : ON7YD HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO HELLO ... In order to encourage QRPP and experimentation with new modes ON5EX will promote the "Candlelight Award". The appearance of the award will depend on the creativity and sense of humor of the organiser. Reports : - per e-mail to simplexp@pandora.be, not later than 1 week after each transmission. - reports must include (at least) : 1. Identification of the receiving station (call or name) 2. Your position in decimal graden (0,01 degree accuracy) 3. Date and UTC 4. Frequency (10Hz accuracy) 5. call of the transmitting station 6. code Additional information (report, station description etc...) is welcome Score (Distance in km) x (number of correct copied characters in the code) / (TX power in W) The final result is the sum of all scores. I am sure that ON5EX will appreciate all reports even if you can only participate in 1 or 2 tests. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31476 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 13:49:06 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 13:49:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 14000 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 13:49:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 13:49:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JZsl-0004WR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:48:07 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JZsl-0004WI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:48:07 +0000 Received: from host213-121-126-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.226] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JZsk-00021I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 13:48:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c29b9b$e1f10360$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c29b86$273e1c20$a0e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:48:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: carrier Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Mal.
 
Did it go off at about 13.30? If that's it it DFed SE from me but it could have been a local PC monitor harmonic.
 
Dave 'YXM.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: LF: carrier

A new carrier has appeared on 137.6 khz this morning. Very strong over S9. No modulation so far.
Can anyone else hear it.
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18509 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 12:48:42 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 12:48:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 22538 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 12:49:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 12:49:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JYss-0004N1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:44:10 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JYsq-0004Ms-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 12:44:09 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b2) for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:44:04 -0500 Message-ID: <004801c29b92$f7917230$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:45:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi John and all, A few comments on measuring DSL interference effects: Here in Paris, I have the cheapest ADSL service from France Télécom. Advertised speeds are 512 kbps downstream and 128 kbps upstream. I am using a Cisco 827-4V, which is a combination modem, router, and VOIP unit. A portion of the result of a "show dsl interface atm0" command is shown below. There are verbose details about signal and noise in each bin which are not posted. Your modem should have similar information available, but the commands to show it will of course be different. The 608 kbps (DS) and 160 (US) values allow for protocol overhead. You can see that this line could accommodate much higher speeds. On my unit, the downstream Noise Margin updates every few seconds, so one could easily test if transmitting LF causes it to degrade (I don't have a transmitter here). If your real-time S/N is not displayed, then just reboot the modem with the transmitter on and see if the value (derived during training) changes. The DMT bins are 4 kHz each, so you can see that 136 kHz lands well between the US and DS bands; any trouble would be caused by harmonics. IMO, interference to the upstream is very unlikely. Moderate downstream interference will be corrected on the fly by the Reed-Solomon code; check the error statistics. Uncorrectable errors are retried at the DSL level, and when that fails, at the TCP level. Before TCP gives up, the modem will renegotiate and retrain with the DSLAM, resuming operation at a lower speed. As a result, I doubt that you will see any TCP failures. But I am quite curious if LF transmission causes any Reed-Solomon errors, or if the displayed downstream Noise Margin is reduced. 73, Stewart KK7KA --------------------------------------------------------------------- ATU-R (DS) ATU-C (US) Modem Status: Showtime (DMTDSL_SHOWTIME) DSL Mode: ITU G.992.1 (G.DMT) ITU STD NUM: 0x01 0x1 Vendor ID: 'ALCB' 'ALCB' Vendor Specific: 0x0000 0x0000 Vendor Country: 0x00 0x0F Capacity Used: 9% 23% Noise Margin: 33.5 dB 31.0 dB Output Power: 12.5 dBm 12.0 dBm Attenuation: 32.0 dB 19.0 dB Defect Status: None None Last Fail Code: None Selftest Result: 0x34 Subfunction: 0x02 Interrupts: 3197 (1 spurious) Activations: 1 SW Version: 3.666 FW Version: 0x1A04 Interleave Fast Interleave Fast Speed (kbps): 608 0 160 0 Reed-Solomon EC: 0 0 0 0 CRC Errors: 0 0 0 0 Header Errors: 0 0 0 0 Bit Errors: 0 0 BER Valid sec: 0 0 BER Invalid sec: 0 0 DMT Bits Per Bin 00: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 3 4 4 4 4 10: 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 0 0 20: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 30: 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 40: 3 3 4 3 3 3 0 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 50: 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 3 3 2 2 2 60: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 70: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 80: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 0 0 0 90: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 A0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 B0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 C0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 D0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 E0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 F0: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for the comments guys - as I would expect all seems OK with the > "Engineer Installed". Does anyone have any experience of the "Wires only", > which to me seems more likely to be a problem? > > No-one has commented on any degredation of data on the ADSL connection due > to LF transmitting equipment in the shack - maybe the TCPIP protocol to an > extent hides any effect. > > Paul's comment below didn't seem to come through? > > 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11107 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 11:15:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 11:15:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20291 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 11:14:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 11:14:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JXTT-0004Aa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:13:51 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JXTT-0004AR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:13:51 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.160]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021204111344.OQOL21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:13:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c29b86$273e1c20$a0e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:12:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: carrier Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
A new carrier has appeared on 137.6 khz this morning. Very strong over S9. No modulation so far.
Can anyone else hear it.
 
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18271 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 09:03:11 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 09:03:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 27727 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 09:03:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 09:03:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JVQ9-0003vO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:02:17 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JVQ8-0003vF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:02:17 +0000 Received: from host213-122-149-17.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.149.17] helo=presario-1920) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JVQ8-0001IS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 09:02:16 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 09:06:55 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <000501c29ab9$614def80$9a4122d9@nicobuild1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Thanks for the comments guys - as I would expect all seems OK with the "Engineer Installed". Does anyone have any experience of the "Wires only", which to me seems more likely to be a problem? No-one has commented on any degredation of data on the ADSL connection due to LF transmitting equipment in the shack - maybe the TCPIP protocol to an extent hides any effect. Paul's comment below didn't seem to come through? 73 John, G3WKL > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Paul Nicholls > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:48 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John W Gould" > To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" > Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:29 PM > Subject: LF: ADSL EMC with LF operation? > > > > Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any > > problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL > installation > > and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come > to that!). > > > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8298 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 03:38:07 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 03:38:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 5507 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 03:37:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 03:37:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JQIC-0003Qi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:33:44 +0000 Received: from [216.93.66.203] (helo=mail4.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JQIB-0003QZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 03:33:43 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d33.as1.mpls0.mn.voyager.net [169.207.102.161]) by mail4.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id gB43XdN53032 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:33:40 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:34:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <006701c29aef$54db13a0$1700a8c0@home> Subject: LF: RE: Flaming aerials! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_70_90,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_COLOR_NAME,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hey Dave,

I thought high current loops were the antennas to start fires??? Nice picture.

 

Mike>WE0H

http://www.we0h.us/lf.html

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Pick
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:14 AM
To: LF Group
Subject: LF: Flaming aerials!

 

Dear all, especially Peter.

 

I had a bit of a problem on 73k today, the TX started tripping during my QSO with G3LDO at about 12:30. Eventually I had to reduce the power to a few hundred Watts to sign off.

I went outside, down the full length of the garden to the ATU to see if anything was wrong. All seemed well but I could hear a "crackling" noise and couldn't figure out where it was coming from. I eventually looked up at the top of the tree where the aerial passed over a perspex "Y" on the top of the pole... It was alight! A couple of years worth of polution must have made it conductive enough for the RF to arc through it to the metal supporting pole (which is earthed). I watched it with trepidation lest any burning pieces should drop off and set light to the tree, luckily this didn't happen and eventually it went out.

I have since replaced the top piece with a new design, let's see how long that lasts!

This sort of thing always happens when I "fire-up" on 73k, the Voltages are just so high..

You can just see the flames on this picture.

 

http://www.wireless.org.uk/images/firesky2.jpg

 

73.

Dave

G3YXM.

 

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6261 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 00:36:23 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 00:36:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20424 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Dec 2002 00:36:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 00:36:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JNVU-0003CZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:35:16 +0000 Received: from [216.93.66.201] (helo=mail2.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JNVT-0003CQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:35:15 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d98.as0.mpls0.mn.voyager.net [169.207.102.98]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id gB40ZBN18228 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:35:11 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:35:47 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000c01c29ab2$87b2e6a0$98e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: LF: RE: Argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,HTML_70_90,HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE, HTML_FONT_COLOR_NAME,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Don’t buy a Compaq. My IBM ThinkPad works great with the ham software.

 

Mike>WE0H

http://www.we0h.us/lf.html

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:58 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Argo

 

Hi Alberto & Co

 

All versions of ARGO have worked on my 133 and 166 mhz desktop computers with just the odd crash over the past couple of years but my laptop 166 mhz pentium Compaq  does not, and with the new version 131 is even worse. There must be something peculiar with the laptop. I am using windows 95/c but I notice Compaq alter 95 and use additional files unlike the standard desktop.

operating system. The bios does not appear standard either, and not easy to alter.

All other standard programmes like Word, Aroute etc and the QRS prog by Rik work without crashes, so it appears that ARGO seems to conflict with something and crash, and lock up the computer. Maybe others have the same experience.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

 

 

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31347 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 22:58:58 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:58:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27763 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 22:58:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:58:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JLzO-00032C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:58:02 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JLzN-000323-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:58:01 +0000 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:57:54 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.181.156] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 402gLcw6z0406M30; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 22:57:51 GMT Message-ID: <3DECF085.1040208@usa.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 18:57:25 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c29ab2$87b2e6a0$98e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: Re: LF: Argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,MAILTO_LINK, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit hamilton mal wrote:
All versions of ARGO have worked on my 133 and 166 mhz desktop computers with just the odd crash over the past couple of years but my laptop 166 mhz pentium Compaq  does not, and with the new version 131 is even worse. There must be something peculiar with the laptop. I am using windows 95/c but I notice Compaq alter 95 and use additional files unlike the standard desktop operating system.
ian.gi8ayz@virgin.net wrote :

> Likewise having problems with my Compaq Presario 1246 and Argo 130 (up till now have used 'Gram50')

Ian and Mal,
   Compaq does use indeed, on some models, a customized version of
Microsoft Windows. Unfortunately I don't own a Compaq PC, and none
of my friends does, so I see a bit difficult for me to try to debug such a
compatibility problem.
Probably the MMSYSTEM APIs used by Argo clash with some idiosyncrasies
of that customized Windows version.

At this point, I am sorry, but I have to declare myself unable to solve this problem
for lack of resources.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4914 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 21:01:15 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 21:01:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 11595 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 21:01:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 21:01:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JK9X-0002qD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:00:23 +0000 Received: from [212.135.6.12] (helo=smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JK9W-0002q4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:00:22 +0000 Received: from tnt-18-93.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.224.93] helo=erica) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JK9V-000BVX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:00:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c29b0f$2b1c87e0$5de086d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202181818.027af060@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <004501c29a3b$3f30b5a0$1700a8c0@home> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:01:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: : 73kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Started sending QRSS3 at 0800 but had to close down at 0820 because I had to go out. When I came back the contractor was here to do some work in the shack/office (I had forgotten about that) so was not able to get on 73kHz. Moved the receiver to the transmitting shed at was on at around 1200 but without my keyer or computer for QRSS. Sent a CQ using a hand key and was answered by Dave G3YXM and exchanged 579 reports both ways. Strange intermittent sound from Dave's transmitter - didn't realise his antenna was on fire! He was a good readable signal on reduced power. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22114 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:17:35 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:17:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 20813 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:17:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:17:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JGbV-0002Sl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:13:01 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JGbT-0002Sc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:12:59 +0000 Received: from host213-121-126-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.226] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JGbS-0003V8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 17:12:58 +0000 Message-ID: <006701c29aef$54db13a0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:13:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Flaming aerials! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear all, especially Peter.
 
I had a bit of a problem on 73k today, the TX started tripping during my QSO with G3LDO at about 12:30. Eventually I had to reduce the power to a few hundred Watts to sign off.
I went outside, down the full length of the garden to the ATU to see if anything was wrong. All seemed well but I could hear a "crackling" noise and couldn't figure out where it was coming from. I eventually looked up at the top of the tree where the aerial passed over a perspex "Y" on the top of the pole... It was alight! A couple of years worth of polution must have made it conductive enough for the RF to arc through it to the metal supporting pole (which is earthed). I watched it with trepidation lest any burning pieces should drop off and set light to the tree, luckily this didn't happen and eventually it went out.
I have since replaced the top piece with a new design, let's see how long that lasts!
This sort of thing always happens when I "fire-up" on 73k, the Voltages are just so high..
You can just see the flames on this picture.
 
 
73.
Dave
G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30239 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 15:07:29 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 15:07:29 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 6756 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2002 15:07:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 15:07:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JEcx-00025P-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:06:23 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JEcx-00025G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:06:23 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18JEcn-0003vG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:06:13 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18JEcm-0002hD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:06:12 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021203144957.00b19768@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 15:06:06 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <004501c29ac4$1d4abce0$1700a8c0@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: 73k today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, I had CW QSOs with G3YXM and G3AQC on 73kHz, who were both 579. Also exchanged QRSS with MI0AYZ, who was an 'O' signal, but not really audible here. I was running about 1kW, with antenna current about 3A into an inverted V about 13m high at the apex. Thanks to the listeners for the reports. At 12:04 03/12/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I observed three fixed signals on the band: >71.69 short "pips" of carrier at uneven intervals of about 1 second, >perhaps ESE from me. >72.00 weak carrier. approx N East/ S West (this could be some telecomms >harmonics, there seemed to be several) >73.60 S5 carrier. Poss SE All 3 signals here also. The "pips" have been audible on and off for at least a year or so here. I wonder if they could be some sort of intermod involving one of the standard time stations? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1160 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 14:39:30 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 14:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 14431 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2002 14:39:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 14:39:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JECE-0001xo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:38:46 +0000 Received: from [206.46.170.173] (helo=pop016.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JECD-0001xQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:38:45 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.222.240]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20021203143814.JJPJ22431.pop016.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:38:14 -0600 Message-ID: <3DECC218.2050202@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:39:20 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200212020231.gB22VKX01474@mailgate5.cinetic.de> <5.1.0.14.0.20021202111230.00b039c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.156.222.240] at Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:38:14 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: ReNew cores from Micrometals, copare with philips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group James Moritz wrote: > > Philips decided they didn't wish to fool around with coils of wire and > lumps of hard grey stuff in the Information Age, so they spun off > Ferroxcube, which is now owned by a corporation called Yageo. Extensive > data on what was Philips ferrites (somewhat re-numbered) can be found on > http://www.ferroxcube.com/. Thanks Jim, and all other readers of this reflector who have taken the time to answer my query. Your pointers were much appreciated 73 André From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17887 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 14:36:12 -0000 Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 14:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 24692 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2002 14:36:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 14:36:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JE8F-0001vx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:34:39 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JE8F-0001vo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:34:39 +0000 Received: from host213-122-209-40.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.209.40] helo=j1r9b7) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JE8E-0003sk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:34:38 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c29ad7$3e2a4940$28d17ad5@j1r9b7> From: "Derek Atter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002c01c298bb$104419c0$41d0fc3e@ian> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:19:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73KHz activity. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Jim M0BMU/ Laurie G3AQC/ Dave G3YXM, Heard the three of you at good strength this morning on 73kHz but no sign of Ian GI0AYZ. 08-00 UTC G3AQC (RST589) in QSO with M0BMU (RST579) 08-25 UTC G3YXM (RST579) calling GI0AYZ (NR) 08-30 UTC G3YXM in QSO with M0BMU both RST579 All signals had relatively low QRN/QRM apart from a bit of local electrical crud and a weak fluttery carrier on 71.95 kHz which may have been a RX front-end intermod artifact. The antenna was an ex-Decca active antenna with only a 3ft whip up at only 20ft AGL feeding the prototype of Jim's LF preamp/upconverter outputting at 4MHz into the FT1000MP - the converter is doing a good job Jim! I have finally got my 55ft wind-up aluminium scaffold pole mast back up in the air again after the LF antenna system was wrecked during a storm earlier this year. The 20m high tree tree holding one end of the antenna came crashing down taking with it the top section of the 55ft mast and all the guy ropes 150ft away at the far end of the garden because the 3-wire top didn't break! I hope to be QRV shortly again on 136kHz and also hopefully 73kHz. Vy 73 de Derek Atter G3GRO, QTH Crawley, West Sussex IO91VC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15027 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 12:11:01 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 12:11:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 15734 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2002 12:10:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 12:10:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JBsQ-0001f1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:10:10 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.47] (helo=mta7-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JBsQ-0001es-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:10:10 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.253]) by mta7-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021203121008.VKY19755.mta7-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c29ac4$dd7fc140$fdccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:41:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73 khz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
73 khz acty this morning.
 
MI0AYZ - qrs 73.74 khz solid OOO but also audible at rst 569 good solid signal and no qsb, calling CQ at 1029 gmt.
 
G3YXM 73.85 khz rst 599 calling cq normal cw at 1018 gmt
 
Neither station got a reply
 
Using a 90 metre parallel resonant loop E/W on 73 khz installed vertically.
73 and gl to all de MAL/G3KEV 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7917 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 12:04:29 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 12:04:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9646 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2002 12:04:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 12:04:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JBm1-0001bp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:03:33 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JBm1-0001bg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:03:33 +0000 Received: from host213-121-126-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.226] helo=dellboy) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JBm0-0003Jl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 12:03:32 +0000 Message-ID: <004501c29ac4$1d4abce0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:04:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 73k today Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear all.
 
Nice quiet band for a change. I could hear MI0AYZ and may have been able to have a CW QSO but he stayed on QRSS at "O" copy. Unfortunately slap on top of a Loran line. I suggest a QSY of about 3Hz either-way Ian!
Aerial current is a max of 4A into the 80m end-fed wire but the LPF in the TX gets hot at that output, I must make a bigger one.
Nice loud signals from G3LDO, M0BMU and G3AQC.
 
I observed three fixed signals on the band:
71.69  short "pips" of carrier at uneven intervals of about 1 second, perhaps ESE from me.
72.00  weak carrier. approx N East/ S West  (this could be some telecomms harmonics, there seemed to be several)
73.60  S5 carrier. Poss SE
 
This is using the rotatable loop so the nulls could be 180 degrees out.
 
If only Rugby would stay off!
 
Cheers.
Dave G3YXM.
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8833 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 11:42:04 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 11:42:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 18604 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2002 11:41:52 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 11:41:52 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JBQ3-0001Tq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:40:51 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JBQ3-0001Th-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 11:40:51 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.208.45]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021203114030.OBUZ21072.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:40:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c29ac0$c8b07100$2dd0fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c29ab2$87b2e6a0$98e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:40:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Likewise having problems with my Compaq Presario 1246 and Argo 130 (up till now have used 'Gram50')
If I click on 'full band view' at startup and then try to change to horizontal the whole damn thing freezes and there is nothing for it but to 'pull the plugs out'.
Luckily it stars up in horizontal if left to its own devices so I can at least use it, but attemts to toggle from one view to 'tother puts it in the sulks.
Vital statistics :-400MHz AMD processor,  Win98se, JBL sound card.
 
Any one else noticed this?
 
Both Argo and Spectogram do exactly the same thing to  the old desktop - which has admittedly got PCI Audio card, is partitioned for Win 3.11 and Win98se and having started life as a 60MHz 486, got fitted later with a peculiar 133MHz  5??86 processor which also does funny things to QuikTrak when in map mode.  
 
 
 
Ian  GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ
 
PS :- Worked M0BMU and G3YXM in succession between 0800z and 1000z  this a.m. with good reports both ways,  also  a phone call from KEV saying that I was 589 with him, but as of 1130 it has all gone quiet except for the usual crud. Will be around most of the day watching and listening around 71.75.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30182 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 10:49:10 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 10:49:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 17621 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Dec 2002 10:48:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 10:48:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18JAac-0001Ld-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:47:42 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18JAac-0001LU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:47:42 +0000 Received: from host217-34-65-154.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.65.154] helo=nicobuild1) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18JAab-0007KQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 10:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c29ab9$614def80$9a4122d9@nicobuild1> From: "Paul Nicholls" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:47:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Gould" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:29 PM Subject: LF: ADSL EMC with LF operation? > Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any > problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL installation > and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come to that!). > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18441 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 10:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 19772 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 10:00:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 10:00:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18J9pR-0001AR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:58:57 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18J9pR-0001AI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 09:58:57 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.152]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021203095853.HLQC5426.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:58:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c29ab2$87b2e6a0$98e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:57:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Argo Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Alberto & Co
 
All versions of ARGO have worked on my 133 and 166 mhz desktop computers with just the odd crash over the past couple of years but my laptop 166 mhz pentium Compaq  does not, and with the new version 131 is even worse. There must be something peculiar with the laptop. I am using windows 95/c but I notice Compaq alter 95 and use additional files unlike the standard desktop.
operating system. The bios does not appear standard either, and not easy to alter.
All other standard programmes like Word, Aroute etc and the QRS prog by Rik work without crashes, so it appears that ARGO seems to conflict with something and crash, and lock up the computer. Maybe others have the same experience.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14671 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 08:47:44 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 08:47:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 7912 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 08:47:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 08:47:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18J8dx-0000yF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:43:01 +0000 Received: from [192.87.3.7] (helo=gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18J8dw-0000y6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 08:43:01 +0000 Received: (from fwmaster@localhost) by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl (8.9.3a/8.6.12) id JAA25212 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:42:30 +0100 (MET) Received: by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma022419; Tue, 3 Dec 02 09:40:56 +0100 Received: by triton.oss.intra with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:40:55 +0100 Message-ID: <639D20177889D41198A600508BAD3CA10374235F@capella3.oss.akzonobel.nl> From: "Laken, W.H.P.A. van der \(Wil\)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:40:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0tests=EXCHANGE_SERVER,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I did not experience any problems with my ADSL connection John. But indeed at least one of the ADSL internal channels is in the 137 kHZ LF range. 73 Wil, PA0BWL -----Original Message----- From: John W Gould [mailto:g3wkl@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:30 PM To: Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org Subject: LF: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL installation and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come to that!). 73 John, G3WKL -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11455 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 02:10:57 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 02:10:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13297 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 02:10:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 02:10:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18J2Qw-0000RO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:05:10 +0000 Received: from [216.93.66.204] (helo=mail5.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18J2Qv-0000RF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 02:05:09 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d75.as0.mpls0.mn.voyager.net [169.207.102.75]) by mail5.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id gB323fo51450 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:03:42 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:05:34 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Subject: LF: RE: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I run an ISDN line and don't have any trouble with my amateur transmitters running. They don't interfere at all with the ISDN signal. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John W Gould Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 12:30 PM To: Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org Subject: LF: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL installation and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come to that!). 73 John, G3WKL _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15052 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:29:04 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:29:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 10511 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 22:29:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:29:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Iyzs-00005r-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:25:00 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.69] (helo=host4.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Iyzs-00005g-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:25:00 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host4.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021202222610.CBA306.host4@att.net> for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:26:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3DEBDDB8.BADC0BF3@att.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:24:56 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jim, Thanks for the info. This SPM-19 does have the audio output circuit which I suspect should produce a 1750 Hz audio tone when the unit is tuned to an exact frequency. I believe that was the standard BFO tone for the SPM 16 and 17. I did not know there was AGC in this circuit. I am presently using the HP-3686 for the HGB reception. I am using the demodulated audio on it which raises another question. Perhaps it also has some AGC at this point which could distort the level measurements. I will investigate that. What I mean by this SPM-19 being off frequency is that it almost produces a zero audio tone when the display is tuned to a signal instead of the 1750 tone. The 1.792 KHz offset is what the unit displays when the AFC is activated. Also when in the narrowest IF mode there is no signal unless the unit is tuned up 1.792 KHz from the desired frequency. So wouldn't the frequency error be ahead of the IF filters? Another problem just developed. The IF mode is stuck in the 1.74 KHz mode. Moving the electronic selector to any other IF filter instantly causes it to return to 1.74 KHz when the lever is released. The unit does not power up like I remember it doing when it was new. It seems to be searching for lock while producing noise in the audio output. After about 4 or 5 one second sweeps it will settle down but most of the time an error code is displayed, 1--002. Operating most any function switch after that usually restores normal level and frequency display. I see several 2716 EPROMS on one board. Could it be these chips are like me ..... loosing memory? Dexter James Moritz wrote: > > Dear Dex, > > There are only 2 frequency conversions in the SPM19 - one to the 40MHz > first IF (which is what the 40-65MHz LO signal does), and the second to the > 10kHz final IF. You could include a third conversion to get the demod audio > out at 2kHz as I recall - but I don't think you could be using the audio > output for level measurement because it has permanently-on AGC. So I guess > the problem you have must lie in the 40MHz to 10kHz conversion oscillator > > I have the circuit diagrams for the SPM19, so I will take a look and can > send the relevant diagrams if neccessary. BTW, when you say the frequency > is wrong by 1.792kHz, how are you measuring this? is it high or low? One of > the manuals also contains a list of error messages, but they usually are > not very helpful - 100 ways to tell you it isn't working! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16152 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 19:43:47 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 19:43:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 408 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 19:44:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 19:44:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IwTw-0008Dq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:43:52 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IwTw-0008Dh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:43:52 +0000 Received: from host213-121-126-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.226] helo=dellboy) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18IwTv-0006rx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:43:51 +0000 Message-ID: <004501c29a3b$3f30b5a0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202181818.027af060@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:44:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: 73kHz tomorrow morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear 73k chaps. I will also be on but am unlikely to hear much until Rugby cuts carrier. Last month it was about 0845. Cheers. Dave G3YXM > > I will be taking a few hours off tomorrow morning to be QRV on 73k while > Rugby is shut down (I hope!). I aim to be on at about 0800. If I can't hear > anything at the lower band edge, I will try sending some QRSS at about > 71.9kHz, or wherever I find another signal. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13305 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 19:40:59 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 19:40:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 107 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 19:41:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 19:41:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IwQr-0008BN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:40:41 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.116] (helo=lutetium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IwQr-0008BE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:40:41 +0000 Received: from host213-121-126-226.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.121.126.226] helo=dellboy) by lutetium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18IwQq-0006SV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:40:41 +0000 Message-ID: <004101c29a3a$cd8632e0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:41:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John "Engineer installed" here! There's no difference really. No interference problems on any band but my telephone cables come in underground. Dave G3YXM. > Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any > problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL installation > and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come to that!). > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18112 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 18:46:58 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:46:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27947 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 18:46:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:46:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IvaD-0007zH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:46:17 +0000 Received: from [144.254.98.48] (helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IvaD-0007z1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:46:17 +0000 Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp77.cisco.com [10.50.0.76]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06227 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:45:46 GMT Message-ID: <3DEBAA20.6070401@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:44:48 +0000 From: "Stewart Bryant" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I never experienced any problem with engineer installed BT ADSL effecting any radio, or visa versa. I was however on a relatively low-loss path to the exchange, and so was operating at relatively low power. I am told that when you turn of the ADSL modem, the system goes into a power down state which is presumably even quieter, but my system was always left on. I have since moved to cable, and that does not give any problem either. Stewart G3YSX John W Gould wrote: > Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any > problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL installation > and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come to that!). > > 73 John, G3WKL > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18642 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 18:46:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:46:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 22617 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 18:46:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:46:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IvZP-0007yi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:45:27 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.41] (helo=mta1-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IvZP-0007yZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:45:27 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.204.155]) by mta1-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021202184523.EZZM277.mta1-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:45:23 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c29a32$f6411d60$9bccfc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105102232.00a79e30@POP3.freeler.nl> <000d01c29914$b8c1cee0$0100007f@pcuser> <001a01c29975$48480ce0$0100007f@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:35:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Series loading coil Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=CALL_FREE,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,SUPERLONG_LINE, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just to add fuel to the flames on this, today I carried out a test on my loading coil/vario. on 73 KHz. Having been made big enough to resonate on this band with a 300pF antenna if the main one (c.850pF)flies away, there is quite a lot of it out of circuit at the hot end.
I have been leaving the top 60 or so turns open cct so far, so this a.m. I shorted them.Result - antenna current dropped by 10%. on best adjustment. Fully repeatable five times.
10% is what I would like as a pension increase :-))
 
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Having got the fuse blowing problem corrected, and played with Argo a bit more I am looking forward to Tuesday. Will start calling around 0800z on 71.75 plus or mius calibration error.
 
 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21008 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 18:42:38 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:42:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 19818 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 18:42:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:42:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IvVm-0007ww-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:41:42 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IvVm-0007wn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:41:42 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18IvPP-00039x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:35:07 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18IvPE-0001sW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:34:57 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202181818.027af060@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:28:50 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: 73kHz tomorrow morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, I will be taking a few hours off tomorrow morning to be QRV on 73k while Rugby is shut down (I hope!). I aim to be on at about 0800. If I can't hear anything at the lower band edge, I will try sending some QRSS at about 71.9kHz, or wherever I find another signal. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21201 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 18:35:03 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:35:03 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 14614 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 18:34:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:34:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IvOh-0007tp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IvOg-0007tg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:34:22 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18Iv72-0001Cb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:16:08 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18Iv70-0001c6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:16:07 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202175331.027c0670@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:14:28 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <3DEB8BAE.23C3BFFB@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Dex, There are only 2 frequency conversions in the SPM19 - one to the 40MHz first IF (which is what the 40-65MHz LO signal does), and the second to the 10kHz final IF. You could include a third conversion to get the demod audio out at 2kHz as I recall - but I don't think you could be using the audio output for level measurement because it has permanently-on AGC. So I guess the problem you have must lie in the 40MHz to 10kHz conversion oscillator I have the circuit diagrams for the SPM19, so I will take a look and can send the relevant diagrams if neccessary. BTW, when you say the frequency is wrong by 1.792kHz, how are you measuring this? is it high or low? One of the manuals also contains a list of error messages, but they usually are not very helpful - 100 ways to tell you it isn't working! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12177 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 18:25:33 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:25:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 8426 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 18:25:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:25:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IvFo-0007pd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:25:12 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IvFn-0007pT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:25:11 +0000 Received: from host213-122-56-132.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.56.132] helo=presario-1920) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18IvFm-0001We-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:25:10 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:29:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: ADSL EMC with LF operation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOKversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Can anyone advise on the basis of experience as to whether there are any problems with either "Wires only" or "Engineer installed" ADSL installation and the co-siting of one's LF station (or even HF Station come to that!). 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26243 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 18:21:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:21:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5965 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 18:21:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 18:21:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IvBO-0007nE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:20:38 +0000 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IvBM-0007n4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 18:20:37 +0000 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu01.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.113]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA3deba43a03b1 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:19:38 +0600 (OS) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:19:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <3DEB6E9B.5030605@verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: 137066/137042 sigs Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06,IN_REP_TO,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_PINEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. Just now I had see someone FSK signal on 137066/137042 Hz. Unfortunely I have notice only the end of transmission. So I do not know what is this. What can it be? 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14716 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 16:36:07 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 16:36:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 16459 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 16:35:54 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 16:35:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ItXA-0007Yk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:35:00 +0000 Received: from [166.82.1.68] (helo=host3.ctc.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ItXA-0007YZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:35:00 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.181.250]) by host3.ctc.net (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 2d687b22c655f23831a2faa19b737467) with ESMTP id <20021202163540.RRYY330.host3@att.net> for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 11:35:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3DEB8BAE.23C3BFFB@att.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:34:54 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: W-G SPM-19 trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I have a Wandel-Goltermann SPM-19 I would like to dedicate to the Spec Lab plotting duties. This unit has had a receive problem every since I got it over ten years ago. So I have primarily used it as a signal generator since the generator output is very accurate and stable. I had the unit operating for a HiFer beacon this past summer when a sudden thunderstorm developed. Before I could disconnect any of my radios lightning struck. The SPM-19 was among several fatalities. By a stroke of luck I just recently was able to revived the SLM. The power supply had a shorted bridge rectifier module. Now I'm back to the original receive problem. It appears some section of the frequency synthesizer may be just on the edge of locking up. About half the time an error code is displayed when any function is used. When it does lock and appears to be working the frequency is off by 1.792 Khz. This holds true across the 0 to 25 MHz range. The generator output on the rear remains dead on the displayed frequency. What I guess is a LO signal, 40 to 65 MHz at a BNC connector on the rear, also tracks with the display plus 40 MHz. I see a lot of things to tweak on inside the unit but before I go for broke and start fiddling with them I thought I would seek professional help. The cream of the crop is on this reflector! Ideas? W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27014 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 14:32:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 14:32:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 15057 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 14:32:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 14:32:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Irae-0007Ft-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:30:28 +0000 Received: from [206.46.170.173] (helo=pop016.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Irad-0007Ff-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:30:27 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.167.241]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.20 201-253-122-126-120-20021101) with ESMTP id <20021202142953.RAA22431.pop016.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:29:53 -0600 Message-ID: <3DEB6E9B.5030605@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:30:51 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <84.36421fe.2b1c9950@aol.com> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [141.156.167.241] at Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:29:52 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Philips (ferroxcube) cores Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > I thought you wanted a comparison table. However, if you just need data > then there is a 104 page selection guide downloadable as a 1.8MB .pdf > file at the ferroxcube web site. > > just select products on the opening page and you will be offered the > selection guide. > > http://www.ferroxcube.com > that is exactly what I wanted :-) Thanks and 73 André From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28283 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 11:39:57 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 11:39:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 23222 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 11:39:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 11:39:54 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Iokk-0006j4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:28:42 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Iokj-0006iu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:28:41 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 18IohW-0007It-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:25:22 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18IohT-00071q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:25:20 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021202111230.00b039c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:23:22 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <3DEACD19.8060603@verizon.net> References: <200212020231.gB22VKX01474@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: ReNew cores from Micrometals, copare with philips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Andre, LF Group, At 22:01 01/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: >that's the point : I cannot find the specs for the Philips materials, and >I have searched all the philips web sites I could find :-) Philips decided they didn't wish to fool around with coils of wire and lumps of hard grey stuff in the Information Age, so they spun off Ferroxcube, which is now owned by a corporation called Yageo. Extensive data on what was Philips ferrites (somewhat re-numbered) can be found on http://www.ferroxcube.com/. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14334 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 11:23:38 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 11:23:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28481 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 11:24:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 11:24:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IoSK-0006ff-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:09:40 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.35] (helo=imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IoSJ-0006fW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:09:39 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.84.36421fe (4426) for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:09:05 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <84.36421fe.2b1c9950@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 06:09:04 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: LF: Re: Philips (ferroxcube) cores Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_FONT_COLOR_GRAY, HTML_FONT_COLOR_UNSAFE,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT_AOLversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 12/2/02 3:02:12 AM GMT Standard Time, andre.kesteloot@verizon.net writes:


Subj:Re: LF: ReNew cores from Micrometals, copare with philips
Date:12/2/02 3:02:12 AM GMT Standard Time
From:    andre.kesteloot@verizon.net (Andre Kesteloot)
Sender:    owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Reply-to:    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
To:    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org




Hans-Albrecht Haffa wrote:
>>does anyone know of a table of equivalency between the Philips cores and
>>the Micrometal ones?
>
> Dear Andre,
> [...]
>
> Have a look to the survey or selector chart in the manufacturer`s catalog
that's the point : I cannot find the specs for the Philips materials,
and I have searched all the philips web sites I could find  :-)

Thanks Hans-Albrecht

73
André







Ahhhh.    I misunderstood your message Andre'

I thought you wanted a comparison table. However, if you just need data then there is a 104 page selection guide downloadable as a 1.8MB .pdf file at the ferroxcube web site.

just select products on the opening page and you will be offered the selection guide.

http://www.ferroxcube.com

If you need an example part number for a popular core  then the 58mm 3c90 toroid used in several 1kW designs is........

4330-030-3553      or    TL58/41/18

while the 42mm version used in the 300W transmitter in next month's Rad Com is

4330-030-3552       or   TL42/26/13


The second part numbers refer to the physical size of the core.
TL (I believe is some form of toroid prefix)
42  outside diameter in mm
26  inside diameter in mm
13  thickness in mm

The AL (nH) value for the 58mm core is about 2890 while permeability is apx 2300.

Hope that is of use

73

David   G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24200 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 03:25:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 27496 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 03:25:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 03:25:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IhCn-0005mf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 03:25:09 +0000 Received: from [167.142.228.65] (helo=cgpf1.cgp.netins.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IhCn-0005mW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 03:25:09 +0000 Received: from [167.142.32.126] (HELO netins.net) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 208886611; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 21:25:08 -0600 Message-ID: <3DEAD294.60007@netins.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 21:25:08 -0600 From: "Dr. Tom Gruis", "=?iso-8859-1?B?S9hIVEY=?=" Organization: www.gruis.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.1.6.0.20021201220043.02733780@pop3.norton.antivirus> Subject: Re: LF: fun with Strictly Private Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi! 1. You have more courage(?) than I. 2. GREAT reading! 3. Thank You! 4. I am glad the pretty lady in the tub is just holding her breath! 5. Thanx! 6. Bless you in your suitable generosity! 73! Doc. ____________________________________________________ Nan and Sandy Sanders wrote: > Some people have fun with the scammers. > > http://www.haxial.com/fraud/mikeaba.html > > Sandy > WB5MMB > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27925 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 03:02:06 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from netmail02.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.221) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 03:02:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13091 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 03:01:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail02.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 03:01:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Igpr-0005gT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 03:01:27 +0000 Received: from [207.172.4.61] (helo=smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Igpr-0005gK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 03:01:27 +0000 Received: from 66-44-69-47.s301.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.69.47] helo=piii750.erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 18Igpp-0006Hr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:01:26 -0500 Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021201220043.02733780@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: esanders/pop.erols.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:02:49 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Nan and Sandy Sanders" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: fun with Strictly Private Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Some people have fun with the scammers. http://www.haxial.com/fraud/mikeaba.html Sandy WB5MMB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13513 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 03:01:32 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 03:01:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3156 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 03:01:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 03:01:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Igpq-0005gG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 03:01:26 +0000 Received: from [206.46.170.172] (helo=pop015.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Igpp-0005fx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 03:01:25 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.183.35]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20021202030050.MIHU28019.pop015.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:00:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3DEACD19.8060603@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 22:01:45 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200212020231.gB22VKX01474@mailgate5.cinetic.de> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [141.156.183.35] at Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:00:50 -0600 Subject: Re: LF: ReNew cores from Micrometals, copare with philips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hans-Albrecht Haffa wrote: >>does anyone know of a table of equivalency between the Philips cores and >>the Micrometal ones? > > Dear Andre, > [...] > > Have a look to the survey or selector chart in the manufacturer`s catalog that's the point : I cannot find the specs for the Philips materials, and I have searched all the philips web sites I could find :-) Thanks Hans-Albrecht 73 André From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 758 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 02:35:44 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 02:35:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28550 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 02:35:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 02:35:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IgND-0005bT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 02:31:51 +0000 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IgND-0005bK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 02:31:51 +0000 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id gB22VKX01474 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:31:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:31:20 +0100 Message-ID: <200212020231.gB22VKX01474@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: ReNew cores from Micrometals, copare with philips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,MIME_EXCESSIVE_QP,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP, NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 29.11.02 15:54:03: > G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > > A short note for any home constructors. > > > > Micrometals, producers of the popular T-200-2 and other toroids, have > > introduced a new series called the 200C series. > > > does anyone know of a table of equivalency between the Philips cores and > the Micrometal ones? > > André N4ICK Dear Andre, there is no table of equivalency. Philips, Valvo, Ferroxcube (all the same company) produce ferrites, meanwhile Micrometals is manufacturing iron-powder cores. Amidon ferrites You can also find at Fair-Rite in US, Amidon powder cores at Micrometals. Have a look to the survey or selector chart in the manufacturer`s catalog to find out the fitting material for long-wave or short wave application. As a rule of thumb is the material permeability is a hint for the desired frequency range. urel = 80 f= 3...30 MHz 73kHz....3 MHz also possible 400...1000 f= 73 kHz....7 MHz 2700 f=20 kHz...300kHz 5000...10 000 Audio frequency More upon request. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND for a > > ______________________________________________________________________________ Ortsunabhangig und flexibel! Verwalten Sie all Ihre E-Mail-Adressen weltweit mit WEB.DE FreeMail - http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021126 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24874 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 01:19:07 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 01:19:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25249 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Dec 2002 01:18:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 01:18:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IfDa-0005VK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 01:17:50 +0000 Received: from [205.188.157.41] (helo=imo-d09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IfDZ-0005VB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 01:17:49 +0000 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.108.1bbbd327 (18707); Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:17:13 -0500 (EST) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: <108.1bbbd327.2b1c0e99@cs.com> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:17:13 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lf@amrad.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10504 Subject: LF: W2RS QRV with active receiving loop Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi,

I put up the Wellbrook LFL-1010 active receiving loop this weekend, with good results so far.  TH, at 44 miles distance, was received RST 579.  NWNJ, at about 40 miles, RST 559.  JJX, at about 30 miles, RST 449, all on CW.

I've installed Argo build 1.31, and will be looking for more distant stations.  The receiver is a Datong VLF converter into a Yaesu FT-102 with 250 Hz Fox-Tango filters.

73,

Ray, W2RS
Locator FN20WW
w2rs@amsat.org From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15226 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 20:11:51 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 20:11:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 6482 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2002 20:11:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 20:11:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IaNp-00056D-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:08:05 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IaNo-000564-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:08:04 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.230.122]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021201200754.YCVX15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:07:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c29975$48480ce0$0100007f@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105102232.00a79e30@POP3.freeler.nl> <000d01c29914$b8c1cee0$0100007f@pcuser> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:36:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Series loading coil Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000807040603080108030903" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=EXTRA_MPART_TYPE,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OE,WEB_BUGSversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000807040603080108030903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Series loading coil

Hello Dick, (and group)
 
I've wound myself a coil on a bucket, the inductance is a bit low at the moment, the whole thing resonates no lower than 250kHz at present - so I've some work still to do before I transmit. I put lots of taps in, as suggested.
 
But I am puzzled. In the LF Experimenters Handbook, at the end of the description of your loading coil, it says
"by short-circuiting turns at the top and bottom end, inductance can be decreased in steps of one turn." Why short-circuit the unused turns? Surely that is like having short-circuited turns on a transformer and will make the coil very lossy ?
Why not just connect the vertical part of the antenna to the appropriate tap, and leave the others open ?
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
 
Hi Hugh
 
I am inclined to short cct the turns not used. I did speak to an engineering consultant that builds linear amps at high powr and he says it makes little difference whether the turns are shorted or left floating. Take your pick and I dont suppose it makes a big difference which method you use.
It is probably better to avoid capacitors to resonate the coil, just use the tap that gives min SWR
and if you are using a 50 ohm tx o/p put a small series coil in series  with the bottom of the main coil to earth and tap up the coax centre conductor from the earth end to get the perfect 1:1match, the earth braid of the coax goes to earth. This method does not require any capacitor for tuning, therefore reducing any loss.
Avoid the tuning for max smoke that some suggest, FET output transistors are very vunerable using this method, plus the fact that RF metre readings are misleading using this method, they read the reflected rf as well, so it is difficult to know what RF is actually going out.
73 and gl de Mal/G3KEV
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:18 AM
Subject: LF: Series loading coil

To All from PA0SE

I also use the series coil system for tuning and matching the aerial to the 136kHz transmitter.
The coil was made by bolting four 1m long and 12.5cm diameter PVC pipes together and putting on 200 turns of 1.4mm diameter copper wire with black PVC insulation as used for house wiring.
Inductance is 4.4mH and unloaded Q  about 350.
Starting from the top I made a tap at every 10 turns by putting a twist in the wire. Heating with a soldering iron melts the insulation that then easily comes off to  bare the wire.
The bottom 10 turns have a tap at each turn. By short circuiting turns from the top and the bottom the coil can be adjusted in steps of one turn. For fine tuning a variable capacitor is in parallel with the coil. As this increases the current in the coil and thus the loss in it (proportional to current squared!) I adjust the coil so that only minimal capacitance is needed.
PA0SE Coil.jpg
The capacitor shown started to arc over at 60W of power. It was replaced by a vacuum capacitor rated at 5000V maximum.  When transmitter power was increased  from 120W to 320W I connected the capacitor over half the coil in order not to exceed  the maximum voltage.

The transmitter is connected to one of the turns at the bottom end. I don't worry about SWR and simply select the tap giving maximum aerial current (3A in dry weather).

A better picture of the coil above can be found on page 62 of G3LDO's The low frequency experimenter's handbook. The coil with the vacuum capacitor is shown on the cover of the book.

73, Dick, PA0SE
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Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 25/11/2002 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3313 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 15:26:17 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 15:26:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 10752 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 15:26:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 15:26:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IVyE-0003Ii-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:25:22 +0000 Received: from [165.212.11.2] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IVyD-0003IZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:25:21 +0000 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO localhost) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 15:25:20 -0000 Received: from usa.net [213.217.177.68] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.1.09A) with ESMTP id 063gLaPZq0162M29; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:25:17 GMT Message-ID: <3DEA2065.2040603@usa.net> Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:44:53 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LF Mailing List" , "lf" , lowfer@mailman.qth.net Subject: LF: Argo V1 build 130 re-released as build 131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Good afternoon all, after having received positive feedbacks on the latest mods done to Argo relative to hangs on slow PCs, sometimes related also to the use of Win XP or 2000, I have re-released build 130 as build 131. Please download it from http://www.weaksignals.com As previously noted, one of the changes done has a side effect that the format of the settings has changed, so you will have to resave all your preferred settings under the same or a new name. Another minor change is that now, when choosing CW (NDB) as mode, the program will automatically switch the Visual Gain to Low, for best viewing results, which can be further optimized by adjusting the Sensitivity and the Contrast sliders. Enjoy, 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13448 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 12:50:21 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 12:50:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22783 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2002 12:50:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 12:50:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ITXV-0002Fu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:49:37 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.53] (helo=cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ITXU-0002Fl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:49:36 +0000 Received: from [62.21.131.115] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ITXR-0006lN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:49:33 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021201134931.00a24a40@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 13:52:33 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Series loading coil Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED,MAILTO_LINK, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sri I made a mistake in the equation for L1;

It should be L1 = L2 + L3 + 2k * square root L2 * L3

To M0WYE and All from PA0SE

Hugh, M0WYE wrote:

I've wound myself a coil on a bucket, the inductance is a bit low at the moment, the whole thing resonates no lower than 250kHz at present - so I've some work still to do before I transmit. I put lots of taps in, as suggested.
 
But I am puzzled. In the LF Experimenters Handbook, at the end of the description of your loading coil, it says
"by short-circuiting turns at the top and bottom end, inductance can be decreased in steps of one turn." Why short-circuit the unused turns? Surely that is like having short-circuited turns on a transformer and will make the coil very lossy ?
Why not just connect the vertical part of the antenna to the appropriate tap, and leave the others open ?

This subject has been discussed on the reflector several times before.
For coils to be used on the HF bands, for instance in the pi-network of a valved power amplifier or an aerial matching unit, it is usual to short circuit the unused part of the coil. If it is was left open the unused part, together with its distributed capacitance, could be come resonant  on the working frequency and absorb a large part of the power.
The short circuited part is only loosely coupled to the used part so there is only a small current flowing in it and this results in negligible power to be lost in the resistance of the short circuited turns.

That the coupling is loose can be easily shown on paper.
Using one of the formulas for the inductance of a single layer coil calculate:

a. Inductance L1 of the total coil
b. Inductance L2 of the used part of the coil
c. Inductance L3 of the part to be short circuited.

Now L1 = L2 + L3 + 2k * square root(L2 * L3).
k is the coupling factor; k is between 0 and 1.
You will find that k << 1. 

It is a different story for coils wound on a toroidal core of ferrite or powdered iron. k can then be almost one and the unused turns should NOT be short circuited, though this is often seen in designs for aerial tuners.

For a loading/matching coil for the 136kHz band the chance of self-resonance in the unused part is remote.
But when the unused turns are left open the voltage at the top end of the coil is higher that when they are short circuited.
That is why I short circuit them.
I found the aerial current being the same with the unused part open or short circuited. So the loss is negligible.

73, Dick, PA0SE

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Subject: LF: Series loading coil

To All from PA0SE

I also use the series coil system for tuning and matching the aerial to the 136kHz transmitter.
The coil was made by bolting four 1m long and 12.5cm diameter PVC pipes together and putting on 200 turns of 1.4mm diameter copper wire with black PVC insulation as used for house wiring.
Inductance is 4.4mH and unloaded Q  about 350.
Starting from the top I made a tap at every 10 turns by putting a twist in the wire. Heating with a soldering iron melts the insulation that then easily comes off to  bare the wire.
The bottom 10 turns have a tap at each turn. By short circuiting turns from the top and the bottom the coil can be adjusted in steps of one turn. For fine tuning a variable capacitor is in parallel with the coil. As this increases the current in the coil and thus the loss in it (proportional to current squared!) I adjust the coil so that only minimal capacitance is needed.
The capacitor shown started to arc over at 60W of power. It was replaced by a vacuum capacitor rated at 5000V maximum.  When transmitter power was increased  from 120W to 320W I connected the capacitor over half the coil in order not to exceed  the maximum voltage.

The transmitter is connected to one of the turns at the bottom end. I don't worry about SWR and simply select the tap giving maximum aerial current (3A in dry weather).

A better picture of the coil above can be found on page 62 of G3LDO's The low frequency experimenter's handbook. The coil with the vacuum capacitor is shown on the cover of the book.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7296 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 12:21:06 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 12:21:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 6233 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 12:20:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 12:20:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IT4B-00023b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:19:19 +0000 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IT49-00023S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:19:17 +0000 Received: from [62.21.137.92] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18IT47-0004Dw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:19:15 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021201121113.00a7fec0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 13:18:00 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" In-reply-to: <000d01c29914$b8c1cee0$0100007f@pcuser> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105102232.00a79e30@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Series loading coil Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0tests=BIG_FONT,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_LINK, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To M0WYE and All from PA0SE

Hugh, M0WYE wrote:

I've wound myself a coil on a bucket, the inductance is a bit low at the moment, the whole thing resonates no lower than 250kHz at present - so I've some work still to do before I transmit. I put lots of taps in, as suggested.
 
But I am puzzled. In the LF Experimenters Handbook, at the end of the description of your loading coil, it says
"by short-circuiting turns at the top and bottom end, inductance can be decreased in steps of one turn." Why short-circuit the unused turns? Surely that is like having short-circuited turns on a transformer and will make the coil very lossy ?
Why not just connect the vertical part of the antenna to the appropriate tap, and leave the others open ?

This subject has been discussed on the reflector several times before.
For coils to be used on the HF bands, for instance in the pi-network of a valved power amplifier or an aerial matching unit, it is usual to short circuit the unused part of the coil. If it is was left open the unused part, together with its distributed capacitance, could be come resonant  on the working frequency and absorb a large part of the power.
The short circuited part is only loosely coupled to the used part so there is only a small current flowing in it and this results in negligible power to be lost in the resistance of the short circuited turns.

That the coupling is loose can be easily shown on paper.
Using one of the formulas for the inductance of a single layer coil calculate:

a. Inductance L1 of the total coil
b. Inductance L2 of the used part of the coil
c. Inductance L3 of the part to be short circuited.

Now L1 = L2 + L3 + 2k * square root(L1 * L2).
k is the coupling factor; k is between 0 and 1.
You will find that k << 1. 

It is a different story for coils wound on a toroidal core of ferrite or powdered iron. k can then be almost one and the unused turns should NOT be short circuited, though this is often seen in designs for aerial tuners.

For a loading/matching coil for the 136kHz band the chance of self-resonance in the unused part is remote.
But when the unused turns are left open the voltage at the top end of the coil is higher that when they are short circuited.
That is why I short circuit them.
I found the aerial current being the same with the unused part open or short circuited. So the loss is negligible.

73, Dick, PA0SE

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----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Rollema
To: LF-Group
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:18 AM
Subject: LF: Series loading coil

To All from PA0SE

I also use the series coil system for tuning and matching the aerial to the 136kHz transmitter.
The coil was made by bolting four 1m long and 12.5cm diameter PVC pipes together and putting on 200 turns of 1.4mm diameter copper wire with black PVC insulation as used for house wiring.
Inductance is 4.4mH and unloaded Q  about 350.
Starting from the top I made a tap at every 10 turns by putting a twist in the wire. Heating with a soldering iron melts the insulation that then easily comes off to  bare the wire.
The bottom 10 turns have a tap at each turn. By short circuiting turns from the top and the bottom the coil can be adjusted in steps of one turn. For fine tuning a variable capacitor is in parallel with the coil. As this increases the current in the coil and thus the loss in it (proportional to current squared!) I adjust the coil so that only minimal capacitance is needed.
The capacitor shown started to arc over at 60W of power. It was replaced by a vacuum capacitor rated at 5000V maximum.  When transmitter power was increased  from 120W to 320W I connected the capacitor over half the coil in order not to exceed  the maximum voltage.

The transmitter is connected to one of the turns at the bottom end. I don't worry about SWR and simply select the tap giving maximum aerial current (3A in dry weather).

A better picture of the coil above can be found on page 62 of G3LDO's The low frequency experimenter's handbook. The coil with the vacuum capacitor is shown on the cover of the book.

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19416 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 09:36:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 09:36:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 21771 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2002 09:36:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 09:36:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IQVP-00017o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:35:15 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IQVP-00017f-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:35:15 +0000 Received: from host213-122-109-243.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.109.243] helo=main) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #16) id 18IQVO-0000sU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:35:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c2991c$ccc9b3a0$f36d7ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:32:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 71.75kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Ian. I got about a 20 minute clear slot this morning. I recognised a signal at very close to your declared frequency at about 0910z which had definitely ceased at 0915z. It was only a "T" rating. Unfortunately I was wiped out at 0919 by a TV set FMing its PSU right across the band. I suspect this is why I only heard Laurie yesterday. My aerial is still not completely resonant at 71 kHz so there is some more to be gained. There is no sign of a signal from Peter yet at 0930z. Cheers de Alan G3NYK JO02PB Sunny (??) Suffolk alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5729 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 08:40:33 -0000 Received: from netmail01.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.219) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 08:40:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 27906 invoked by uid 10001); 1 Dec 2002 08:40:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 08:40:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IPab-0000lk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 08:36:33 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IPaa-0000lb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 08:36:32 +0000 Received: from [212.1.158.107] (helo=pcuser) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 18IPRn-0007Ad-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 08:27:28 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c29914$b8c1cee0$0100007f@pcuser> From: "Hugh Burnham" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021105102232.00a79e30@POP3.freeler.nl> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:27:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Series loading coil Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030305080004020504040204" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=EXTRA_MPART_TYPE,MAILTO_LINK,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT_OE,WEB_BUGSversion=2.42 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030305080004020504040204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Dick, (and group)
 
I've wound myself a coil on a bucket, the inductance is a bit low at the moment, the whole thing resonates no lower than 250kHz at present - so I've some work still to do before I transmit. I put lots of taps in, as suggested.
 
But I am puzzled. In the LF Experimenters Handbook, at the end of the description of your loading coil, it says
"by short-circuiting turns at the top and bottom end, inductance can be decreased in steps of one turn." Why short-circuit the unused turns? Surely that is like having short-circuited turns on a transformer and will make the coil very lossy ?
Why not just connect the vertical part of the antenna to the appropriate tap, and leave the others open ?
 
73
Hugh M0WYE
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:18 AM
Subject: LF: Series loading coil

To All from PA0SE

I also use the series coil system for tuning and matching the aerial to the 136kHz transmitter.
The coil was made by bolting four 1m long and 12.5cm diameter PVC pipes together and putting on 200 turns of 1.4mm diameter copper wire with black PVC insulation as used for house wiring.
Inductance is 4.4mH and unloaded Q  about 350.
Starting from the top I made a tap at every 10 turns by putting a twist in the wire. Heating with a soldering iron melts the insulation that then easily comes off to  bare the wire.
The bottom 10 turns have a tap at each turn. By short circuiting turns from the top and the bottom the coil can be adjusted in steps of one turn. For fine tuning a variable capacitor is in parallel with the coil. As this increases the current in the coil and thus the loss in it (proportional to current squared!) I adjust the coil so that only minimal capacitance is needed.
PA0SE Coil.jpg
The capacitor shown started to arc over at 60W of power. It was replaced by a vacuum capacitor rated at 5000V maximum.  When transmitter power was increased  from 120W to 320W I connected the capacitor over half the coil in order not to exceed  the maximum voltage.

The transmitter is connected to one of the turns at the bottom end. I don't worry about SWR and simply select the tap giving maximum aerial current (3A in dry weather).

A better picture of the coil above can be found on page 62 of G3LDO's The low frequency experimenter's handbook. The coil with the vacuum capacitor is shown on the cover of the book.

73, Dick, PA0SE
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By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IOoP-0000UX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 07:46:45 +0000 Received: from [212.35.226.183] (helo=k2.pncl.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IOoO-0000UO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 07:46:45 +0000 Received: from k7t.pncl.co.uk (234.234.35.212.in-addr.arpa.ip-pool.cix.co.uk [212.35.234.234]) by k2.pncl.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gB17khnB031744 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:46:44 GMT Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021201074041.00a1e7a0@mail.pncl.co.uk> X-Sender: blanch@mail.pncl.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 07:44:21 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Walter Blanchard" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: DTCXO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090408080701090608000601" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01version=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090408080701090608000601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jose, Thank you - the Temex note explains all! Obviously ICOM tried a DTCXO in the 706 Mk II, found it unsatisfactory, and reverted to a straight TCXO in the IIG. Alan, Try http://www.npl.co.uk/npl/ctm Lots more time stuff there. Incidentally, Alberto is right, the H2 masers with stability only 10E13 must be 30 years old! NPL are playing with caesium fountain technology which promises 10E16 Walter G3JKV. --------------090408080701090608000601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; name="ATT10944.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ATT10944.txt" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 31/10/02 --------------090408080701090608000601-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25482 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 00:13:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 00:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 18410 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 00:13:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 00:13:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18IHiB-00053c-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 00:11:51 +0000 Received: from [165.254.158.18] (helo=mail.mcf.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18IHiB-00053T-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 00:11:51 +0000 Received: from parissn2 (213.41.137.138) by mail.mcf.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.2b2) for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:11:52 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c298ce$4ee04240$0700000a@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c298a4$647bf920$9eb901d5@main> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:12:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Frequency Standards..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alan and all, Thanks for the link. Another fascinating read, with some awesome charts, is David Allan's "The Science of Timekeeping", which can be downloaded (PDF, 1.13 MB) at http://www.allanstime.com/Publications/DWA/Science_Timekeeping/ 73, Stewart KK7KA > Hi all, ever wondered what a Cesium Clock was...... or how a Rubidium > standard worked.....why do crystals "age"..... ?? > It's all explained now....I found an old copy of an NBS Tutorial (dated > 1977) which covers all these and many more interesting facets of Time and > Frequency standards. I have scanned it and made it available as a .PDF file > in two parts, which can be downloaded from the index page of my web site. It > even covers the 2003 "must have" the Hydrogen Maser....anyone for parts in > 10^13 ?? > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk