From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19285 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 22:28:40 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 22:28:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 27335 invoked by uid 10001); 31 Aug 2002 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 22:33:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lGj7-0001ub-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:28:21 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lGj7-0001uQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:28:21 +0100 Received: from host213-122-223-75.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.223.75] helo=j1r9b7) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17lGj1-0005aT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:28:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> From: "Derek Atter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:20:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: E-field antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Re Alan Melia's posting on E-field antennas (Aug. 25th), I confirm his comment that I did carry out a number of tests on two E-field active antennas each having roughly a 3m whip, one an ex-Decca Navigator design using op-amps, and the other an AMRAD high dynamic range design using a Crystalonics high current FET and published in QST in September last year (I think it was).Both of these designs feed DC up the coax to the active element. I compared these with a 50m long inverted 'L' antenna with a 15m vertical section (resonated with a base loading coil) and also with a large rectangular loop approx 8m per side in a very noisy urban environment. This was at a time when I was experiencing interference on 136kHz radiated from a hi-speed data cable which also coupled into local CATV distribution cables (not connected to my QTH!). The main findings were : (1) Both E-field antenna designs performed in a similar fashion and when mounted reasonably in the clear, ie more or less above roof-top height, produced a signal to noise ratio similar to the inverted 'L' antenna. Generally anything I could hear on the inverted 'L' , I could hear on the active antenna but the active antenna appeared less susceptible to the cable interference than was the wire antenna. Under conditions of radiated interference which appeared to be primarily in the H-field from the local data cable, the loop was virtually unusable which meant that I could not use it for Loran cancellation! (2) The slope of the variation in absolute signal strength at the output of the E-field antenna with variation in height above ground was initially fairly constant and surprisingly high at around 2 to 3dB per metre up to about 12m. Above that the rate of change flattened off but the received signal strength still continued to increase up to at least 20m which was as high as I could measure. The flattening off in signal strength increase at around 12m I assume is as a result of the active antenna becoming less 'E-field shadowed' as it rises above roof-top height.and local trees. (3) It is strongly recommended that the coax feeder from the E-field antenna should be allowed run more or less vertically downwards to ground level and the outer of the coax then earthed at some point underneath the antenna. At the shack end of the coax, noise currents on the outer of the coax should be suppressed by passing the signal through an isolating 1:1 transformer (eg. a bifilar winding of a few turns on a suitable small toroid). Without the isolating transformer I found the performance of both the E-field antennas very disappointing in a noisy environment. The transceiver in the shack should be separately earthed (4) The above results confirm those outlined AMRAD article in QST. I think that Wallter G3JKV would also confirm that at his QTH, the results from an active receiving antenna mounted at 20m+ above ground are similar to those obtained from a large well-sited wire antenna. (5) There is little advantage to be found in extending the whip much greater than 1 metre or so - cross-mod then potentially becomes more of a problem. A bandpass filter between the output of the active antenna and the RX input is also strongly recommended to minimise the risk of intermod problems from broadcast stations. Regards to all, Derek Atter, G3GRO datter@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: LF: E-field antennas > Hi all, as I understand it the performance of an E-field antenna is more > related to its height of installation above ground that to any effect of the > amplifier. As we all know an amplifier will amplify noise as well as the > signal, its real purpose is to extract a signal efficiently from the very > ofdd impedance of a short wire. It may well be that this type of aerial is > better suited to the tight filtering necessary to keep the strong stations > in mainland Europe from generating intermodulation, and will also give some > advantages to those without the 'real estate' or mast height to erect wire > aerials. To me this suggests that an E-field antenna at 20m height will work > about as well as a 20m vertical wire......or have I missed something ?? I > suppose if you house is in a clearing amongst tall trees it could have a > distinct advantage over a wire. > > I think Derek G3GRO has done some comparative tests?. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 203 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:43:02 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:43:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 8404 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:33:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17w4PJ-0006zQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:32:33 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17w4PJ-0006zG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:32:33 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.224]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020930173232.DBQI5988.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:32:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c2689e$f7203600$e0e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:31:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: fsk/6hz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello All
Can anyone hear fsk revs on 137.3khz with a shift of abt 6 hz. Quite loud here about 30 db above noise. Its not a problem but curious.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26923 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:07:50 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:07:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17704 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:07:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:07:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17w3zq-0006vd-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:06:14 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.105] (helo=imo-r09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17w3zp-0006vT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:06:13 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.8c.1f04a5ae (4262) for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:05:36 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.1f04a5ae.2ac9de60@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:05:36 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: Re: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alex and Group,

>> So RU6LA has copy OK1FIG and DL0WD and had calling them...
Ed's sigs was very strong (audible well and visible of cose).
May be You have lost Ed's call for You?
<<


Well, I don't think Ed did copy my short test transmission in 'regular' CW... I didn't call in QRSS because I didn't have the notebook at the club station. Just a short transmission to check if my transmitter and antenna were properly tuned, and sent a message through the packed radio cluster to confirm "solid copy"
I will -like many others- wait for next winter's "LF DX" season, hoping for more signals from Russia !


Regards,
 Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5476 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:57:08 -0000 Received: from mx.last.plus.net (212.159.3.230) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:57:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 527 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:11:32 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by mx.last.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:11:32 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17w1PJ-0006cp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:20:21 +0100 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17w1PI-0006cf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:20:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 33988 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:05:41 +0400 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:05:41 +0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:16:57 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <18410415798.20020930181657@dx.ru> To: "Giulio Scaroni" In-reply-to: <003b01c24de4$ff55f1e0$4f6152d5@it> References: <001501c2672c$9a9875a0$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> <003b01c24de4$ff55f1e0$4f6152d5@it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Giulio! Tuesday, August 27, 2002, 7:15:44 PM, you wrote: GS> The same received here in North Italy, may be qsy 137.370 qrss 30 ??? Jose wrote: GS> At 19.46 UTC I saw on 137700-QRSS3 the next transmission: GS> QRZ 370 RU6LA K At this time I have seen on 137,370 someone's QRSS(?) and thus wanted him to repeat the call I do not know as it was correct to transfer in QRSS! In HF QSX (for example 70100/7210) it is made simply enough In QRSS 137.370 it turns out is long Any idea? .370?? 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17344 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:35:37 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 12501 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 11:27:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 11:27:46 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vyfx-0006Do-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:25:21 +0100 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vyfu-0006De-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:25:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 31479 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 15:01:49 +0400 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 15:01:48 +0400 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:13:15 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <19670593307.20021001111315@dx.ru> To: "Ed Lesnichy" In-reply-to: <14541916886.20020925091540@dx.ru> References: <14541916886.20020925091540@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Sep 26-29 UA6 activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello LF_Group! When I shall read all messages abt UA6 activity Sep 26-29, which have arrived to me and in LF_Group, I shall inform in summary report. Now I can inform about our work the following: SEP 26 (Time in UTC) 05:30 - 19:30 QRSS3 beacon abt 137.7 07:20 - 08:20 off time (with the purposes of safety - very strong local thunder-storm) 20:20 - 21:40 abt 137.7 CQ in QRSS3 unsuccessfully (strong local QRN) 21:40 - 22:30 136.2 QSX(3533/136) CW CQ (only DJ8WX QSO) 22:30 - 02:00 abt 137.7 CQ in QRSS3 unsuccessfully (strong local QRN) SEP 27 04:50 - 14:12 QRSS3 beacon abt 137.7 and periodical CW QSX (for UA) Some off times abt 20-30 min (with the purposes of safety - very strong local thunder-storm) 14:12 - 16:18 off time (there was no AC power on a Machta - consequences of a thunder-storm ?) 16:25 - 18:40 137.7000(?) QRSS60(?) beacon 18:40 - 04:00 abt 137.7 CQ in QRSS3 unsuccessfully - only some weak T copy QRSS (strong local QRN) SEP 28 For the first time since Wednesday there was no thunder-storm! 04:00 - 14:30 QRSS3 beacon abt 137.7 abt 14:30 - 16:50 off time (agn was no AC power on a Machta!) abt 17:00 - visual loud CQ IK5ZPV O copy and QSO with him 17:00 - 00:10 137.7000(?) CQ in QRSS3 QSO DL3FDO O/M copy and many T copy QRSSs, but no QSO (strong local QRN, but the level of QRN is a little bit less than the previous days) In the some times visual up to 37 QRSS in 137.3 - 137.8. Wishing I to send a file abt 170? captured in ARGO (specify the necessary period of time) In LF_group it can is impossible? There can be who can find the signal and estimate his level in UA6 Sep 29 00:40 - 04:00 135.9220(?) QRSS60(?) beacon OFF UA6 activity Abt QRSS60(?) I have not understood as correctly to establish QRSS120 in QRS 2.05 - in it is not present 120000 ?s dot lenght? Only 60000 ms. But in QRSS60 speed QRS gives out on TX 120 sec dot!(?) Therefore I also included beacons in QRSS60 Any help on future test in QRRS120? Abt my TX FREQ (137,0000(?) and same (?) I established FREQ on TS-850 (+ /- 1Hz) and corrected TX FREQ in ARGO in speed QRSS30 up to 0,1 Hz. In time ZL6QH QRRS120 test(Sep 21) I have found out, that the frequency TS-850 is increased about 0,1 Hz/hours (I have not TCXO in my TS-850). My TS-850 was not switched off almost since Wednesday till Sunday (except for time of absence of a AC) Unfortunately I have not guessed to verify the current FREQ TS-850 with DCF39. ;-((( PSE inform me exact frequency DCF39 to 0.1 Hz 138.83???? 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13137 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:07:54 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:07:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 547 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:07:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:07:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17w0G1-0006Sn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:06:41 +0100 Received: from [213.218.77.54] (helo=cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17w0G0-0006Sd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:06:40 +0100 Received: from [62.21.131.166] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17w0Fz-0003g5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:06:40 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020930145131.00a834a0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:56:27 +0200 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Antenna simulation computer program Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE,

An interesting computer program for simulating antennas can be found at:

www.qsl.net/wb6tpu/swindex.html.

Search for "4nec.2" and download the two files concerned.

It is free.

When you have difficulties in using the program ( I have...)  please contact the author Mr. Arie Voors at 4nec2@gmx.net and not me.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7130 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 11:27:43 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 11:27:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 21894 invoked by uid 10001); 30 Sep 2002 12:32:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 12:32:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vygG-0006E2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:25:40 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vygG-0006Ds-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:25:40 +0100 Received: from host213-122-54-123.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.54.123] helo=main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17vygF-00017c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:25:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c26874$167bc3a0$7b367ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:24:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: DCF39 plots for Sept 2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, the zipped archive of all the DCF39 plots for September 2002, used in my Propagation page, are now available on my web site for FTP download. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/programs and cursor down to the 'click link' Thanks are due to Brian CT1DRP for the collection of the daily raw data, for over 12 months now. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26261 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 15:32:39 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 15:32:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 25160 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 15:32:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 15:32:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vg2r-0004aC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:31:45 +0100 Received: from [208.231.4.134] (helo=mail.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vg2r-0004ZF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:31:45 +0100 Received: from [209.225.8.19] (helo=mx09.cluster1.charter.net) by mail.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17vdx9-0002qf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:17:43 -0400 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by mx09.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 13460484 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:05:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c267ba$55d38a20$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c26745$973480c0$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:15:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LWZ-test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I did not see anything from the RU6LWZ test last night. Per the original instructions, I was looking for QRSS120 on 135.922 kHz. Reports indicate that it may have been QRSS60, and on a frequency outside my QRSS120 window. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18768 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 15:09:16 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 15:09:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24312 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 15:09:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 15:09:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vfgK-0004RD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:08:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=post.omnieng.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vfgJ-0004R2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:08:27 +0100 Received: from astral.infomsk.ru ([212.164.44.2] helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.omnieng.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17vek0-0006r8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:08:13 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu05.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.117]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA3d97077514db for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:00:21 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:59:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Wolf and Group. On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 DL4YHF@aol.com wrote: > Like all others, I had solid copy on Ed's signal but never tried to call him > (he had enough callers with higher ERP than mine from DF0WD). > > If you saw a signal from DL0WD (not DF0WD), there must be someone else out > there.. any ideas ? I have no expirience to read Morse code from monitor. So I had imagine how it sounds then understand... hi. May be it was F not L (it is the same if one reverse the oder of dots and dashe). I had not see German sigs, only what Ed says when he calling... In my log I have: OK1FIG M DL0WD M RU6LA K So RU6LA has copy OK1FIG and DL0WD and had calling them... Ed's sigs was very strong (audible well and visible of cose). May be You have lost Ed's call for You? 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25262 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 10:21:41 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 10:21:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8551 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 10:21:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 10:21:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vbAe-000496-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:19:28 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.99] (helo=imo-r03.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vbAd-00048w-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:19:27 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.b9.277e6a51 (4592) for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 06:18:51 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: Re: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Alex and Group,

Like all others, I had solid copy on Ed's signal but never tried to call him (he had enough callers with higher ERP than mine from DF0WD).

If you saw a signal from DL0WD (not DF0WD), there must be someone else out there.. any ideas ?

Regards,
 Wolf
  DL4YHF (own call)
  DF0WD (clubstation with TX-antenna) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22564 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 09:47:24 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 09:47:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 20229 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 09:47:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 09:47:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vaIA-00041j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:23:10 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vaI7-00041Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:23:08 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia15.phoenix.it [213.82.97.79]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8T9Hmb11566 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:17:48 +0200 Message-ID: <003b01c24de4$ff55f1e0$4f6152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c2672c$9a9875a0$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:15:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,MAILTO_LINK,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The same received here in North Italy, may be qsy 137.370 qrss 30 ???
By and say hallo to EA1LQ Ernesto hope soon in 137 khz, Jose!!!!
73 de Giulio IK2DED.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 10:21 PM
Subject: LF: RU6LA

 
Hi to all:
 
At 19.46 UTC I saw on 137000-QRSS3 the next transmission:
QRZ 370 RU6LA K
 
I think that couldn´t be transmitted from RU6LWZ site.
 
73 de José Manuel, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15546 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 08:25:32 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 08:25:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 220 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 08:25:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 08:25:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vZNJ-0003uj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:24:25 +0100 Received: from [195.110.100.3] (helo=mail.dada.it) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vZNJ-0003uZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:24:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 11047 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 08:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cestag) (195.110.102.115) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 08:23:52 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c26791$5c19aaa0$73666ec3@cestag> From: "cesare tagliabue" To: "LF group" Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:22:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LA sigs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all Also here in Florence, at 1946 UTC, RU6LA was clearly audible and obviously visible with a plein 'O', transmitting 'QRZ 370 RU6LA K', a very impressive signal !! 73 Cesare Cesare Tagliabue I 5 TGC WW-Loc JN53PS e-mail: cestag@dada.it url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 743 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 06:41:46 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 06:41:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 25752 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 06:41:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 06:41:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vXlX-0003jl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:41:19 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vXlW-0003jb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:41:18 +0100 Received: from host213-122-29-69.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.29.69] helo=jackie) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17vXlV-000793-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:41:18 +0100 Message-ID: <006701c26784$8d4134c0$451d7ad5@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <14541916886.20020925091540@dx.ru> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:50:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Wire Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Apologies if this is old information for anyone, but www.wires.co.uk might be of interest. Every size of copper wire you can imagine, and Litz (they call it stranded enamelled wire). For those with wider frequency interests, there's also silver plated copper. If you want to be really esoteric with your radio or hi-fi, there's gold plated pure silver wire. Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1720 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 04:20:17 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 04:20:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 602 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Sep 2002 05:24:42 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 05:24:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vVYP-0003SH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 05:19:37 +0100 Received: from [195.170.0.12] (helo=newserv.otenet.gr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vVYO-0003S7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 05:19:37 +0100 Received: from otenet.gr (myti530-a028.otenet.gr [212.205.251.156]) by newserv.otenet.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g8T4J8KA002070; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:19:34 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3D969B79.189E5341@otenet.gr> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:19:37 +0100 From: "Alex Deligiannis" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, ed@dx.ru Subject: LF: RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group OM, Last evening at 18.10 and 19.40 utc RU6LA was received 30 DB above noise -clear audible signal- calling at 137.011 QRSS3 . 73's Alex SV8QG KM39gc From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6775 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 03:11:24 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 03:11:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 2629 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Sep 2002 04:15:14 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 04:15:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vUTd-0001wk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:10:37 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vUTc-0001wW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:10:36 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu05.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.117]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA3d966e804cbf for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:07:44 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:06:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <001a01c2675f$d62fb500$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by astral.omskcity.com id KAA3d966e804cbf Subject: Re: LF: RU6LWZ test Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, [iso-8859-1] Jos? Manuel wrote: > > I?m sorry, but the tolerance of my measure is + or - 1.0 Hz. Now, at 2.25 UTC is beginning the 6 of the call, at a rate of 60 seconds per dot. By my measurement FREQ was 135.918 kHz +/- 1 Hz. But may be this is wrong, I am not sure... As referent point I use DCF39 on 138.830 kHz. FREQ was measured by HAMVIEW. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23972 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 03:01:04 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 03:01:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15763 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 03:01:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 03:01:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vUJx-0001l7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:00:37 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vUJw-0001kx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:00:36 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu05.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.117]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA3d966c254ba5 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:57:41 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:56:19 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000701c266be$3cff9f40$036068d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. This night I copy Ed RU6LA (RU6LWZ location) audible most of time. It was nice codition. I saw (and hear) Ed in QSO with DL3FDO, OK1FIG, DL0WD. QRB ABT 2500 km. At QRSS60 test transmission signal was audible 30 min after sunrise and visual 60 min after sunrise here. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2290 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 02:35:15 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 02:35:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 14697 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Sep 2002 03:33:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 03:33:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vToj-0001fT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:28:21 +0100 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vToj-0001fH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:28:21 +0100 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h025155.nexo.es [195.235.25.155]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id EAA07740 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:28:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001a01c2675f$d62fb500$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:28:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi John:
 
I´m sorry, but the tolerance of my measure is + or - 1.0 Hz. Now, at 2.25 UTC is beginning the 6 of the call, at a rate of 60 seconds per dot.
 
Good luck John
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13383 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 02:03:11 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 02:03:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 13739 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 02:02:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 02:02:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vTPd-0001Z3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:02:25 +0100 Received: from [209.225.8.14] (helo=dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vTPc-0001Yo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:02:24 +0100 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 13581688 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:01:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c2677d$b784c5a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004601c26759$b70b0c20$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 02:01:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LWZ test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: *** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Jose, >I see the strong QRSS60 signal on 135922 Hz since 00.50 UTC. The signal even is slightly audible in the noise ( Rx IF filter is 400 Hz ).< I am seeing a signal about 0.28 Hz lower than 135.922. Are you seeing them exactly on 922? John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25236 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 01:52:08 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 01:52:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 8129 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 01:52:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 01:52:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vTFD-0001W0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 02:51:39 +0100 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vTFD-0001Vq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 02:51:39 +0100 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h025155.nexo.es [195.235.25.155]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id DAA05500 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:44:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004601c26759$b70b0c20$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:41:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello to all:
 
I see the strong QRSS60 signal on 135922 Hz since 00.50 UTC. The signal even is slightly audible in the noise ( Rx IF filter is 400 Hz ).
 
73 , José Manuel, EA1PX
Loc IN53TI   (3662 Km path)
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7083 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 00:05:16 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 00:05:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 13322 invoked by uid 10001); 29 Sep 2002 01:09:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 01:09:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vRYp-0001G0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:03:47 +0100 Received: from [209.225.8.20] (helo=dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vRYo-0001Fq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:03:46 +0100 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johnupstairs) by dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 10574810 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c2674d$0363a580$0200a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c26745$973480c0$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:13:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LWZ-test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >Is now RU6LWZ transmitting the beacon test on 135922 Hz? I have not seen a signal yet here in Massachusetts. There are still a few hours to go, however. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29066 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 23:21:18 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 23:21:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 13177 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 23:20:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 23:20:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vQsv-00019I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:20:29 +0100 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vQsu-000198-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:20:29 +0100 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h025155.nexo.es [195.235.25.155]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA20762 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:20:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001801c26745$973480c0$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:20:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ-test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi:
 
Is now RU6LWZ transmitting the beacon test on 135922 Hz?
 
73 de José Manuel, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27465 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 22:46:51 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 22:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4982 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Sep 2002 23:50:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 23:50:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vQLf-00010Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:46:07 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.85] (helo=mailout11.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vQLf-00010N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:46:07 +0100 Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17vQLe-00016X-09; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:46:06 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.12.190]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17vQLY-10cTWSC; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:46:00 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:46:00 +0200 Message-ID: <17vQLY-10cTWSC@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Alexander S. Yurkov schrieb: > > Hi, Group. > > RU6LWZ QRSS120 test will be on freq 137.000 today started at 15z > > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > > > Hi Alex, I have had a nice x-band QSO with Vlad/RU6LWZ (3533/136,2kHz). I gave him 539. pse do tell him it was 569 at the end of QSO and vy 73. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27455 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 22:46:51 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 22:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 7249 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 22:46:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 22:46:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vQLg-00010l-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:46:08 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.85] (helo=mailout11.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vQLf-00010X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:46:07 +0100 Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17vQLe-00016X-0D; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:46:06 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.12.190]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17vQLa-10cTWTC; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:46:02 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c2672d$57d28980$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:46:02 +0200 Message-ID: <17vQLa-10cTWTC@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: RU6LA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group José Manuel schrieb: >Hi to all: >At 19.46 UTC I saw on 137000-QRSS3 the next transmission: >QRZ 370 RU6LA K >I think that couldn´t be transmitted from RU6LWZ site. >73 de José Manuel, EA1PX > The frequency of my last e-mail was 137700 Hz. Sri. > > 73 > Hi Jose Manuel, I did see on the mentioned QRG "RU6SLA" in 3sec/dot with "o". don`t know where he is located. regards Uwe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19150 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 22:30:48 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 22:30:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 11416 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 22:30:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 22:30:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vQ6L-0000x8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:30:17 +0100 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vQ6K-0000wy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:30:16 +0100 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h025155.nexo.es [195.235.25.155]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA15115 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:30:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003c01c2673e$965ce9a0$9b19ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:30:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello again:
 
Tonight I have a terrible local noise most of the time, but I could saw, on 137700 again, "VA GN K", and then at 20.59 UTC "CQ RU6" interrumpted by the local noise.
I think now that are the signals of the RU6LWZ operation, but when I saw the first signals,two hours ago, I couldn´t believe that, because the length of the path, 3662 Km.
 
73 de José Manuel, EA1PX
Loc IN53TI
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Hi to all:
 
At 19.46 UTC I saw on 137000-QRSS3 the next transmission:
QRZ 370 RU6LA K
 
I think that couldn´t be transmitted from RU6LWZ site.
 
73 de José Manuel, EA1PX
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The frequency of my last e-mail was 137700 Hz. Sri.
 
73
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25143 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 18:08:14 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 18:08:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 5159 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Sep 2002 19:12:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 19:12:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vLzw-0000Su-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:07:24 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.45] (helo=mta5-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vLzw-0000Sk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:07:24 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.122]) by mta5-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020928180723.VDTI5988.mta5-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:07:23 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c26711$8132f2e0$7accfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:02:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: acty Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Busy here most of the day but checking the odd time on 136 khz I did hear and see DF6NM and DL3FDO a few minutes ago on 137.68 khz. They did not seem to attract much attention.
QRN moderate but solid copy from both here in Scarboro/IO94SH
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4529 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 17:31:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 17:31:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16169 invoked by uid 10001); 28 Sep 2002 18:35:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 18:35:59 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vLQO-0000Ni-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:30:40 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vLQN-0000NY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:30:39 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu05.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.117]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA3d95e616173d for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:25:42 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:24:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000701c266be$3cff9f40$036068d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,UPPERCASE_25_50,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. RU6LWZ is audible here... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2750 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 14:12:40 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 14:12:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 27991 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 14:12:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 14:12:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vIJg-00084F-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:11:32 +0100 Received: from [195.130.225.149] (helo=mail.tiscali.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vIJf-000845-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:11:31 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (62.10.67.32) by mail.tiscali.it (6.5.026) id 3D8971560057E2E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:10:40 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8SEAPl06377 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:10:25 +0200 From: "Claudio" To: "RSGB LF group" Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:10:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <200209281610.25462.clapo@localhost.localdomain> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by localhost.localdomain id g8SEAPl06377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: LF: new transmitter test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group HI LF group. My new transmitter is up. About 500W power. I should be on the air this evening and to morrow morning. 137.710 kHz and QRS 3 sec mode 73 de Claudio, IK2PII -- ====================================================== Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux user - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii ====================================================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15565 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 11:59:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 11:59:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24845 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 11:59:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 11:59:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vGF9-0007dW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:58:43 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.104] (helo=imo-r08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vGF8-0007dM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:58:42 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id l.12c.185a8517 (4262) for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.185a8517.2ac6f34c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:58:04 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows DE sub 10501 Subject: LF: Re: 137695 Hz signal, RU6LWZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jose and all

Can anyone tell me who was transmitting on 137695 Hz-QRSS3 at 9.40 UTC?, I couldn´t identify it. It´s the third signal that I saw in all my LF life, hi.

73 de José Manuel, EA1PX


Jeff F6BWO and I had a nice QRSS QSO near 137694 Hz between 9:24 and 10:33 UT.

At the same time, RU6LWZ in QRSS3 beacon mode was visible "O" on 137700 Hz, his field strength up to about 0.3 uV/m here and still there now at 11:30. On a long spectrogram covering last night, his signal was M to O, with peaks above 3 uV/m around 21:30 and again around 2:00 UT.

73 de Markus, DF6NM
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Hi to the Group:
 
Can anyone tell me who was transmitting on 137695 Hz-QRSS3 at 9.40 UTC?, I couldn´t identify it. It´s the third signal that I saw in all my LF life, hi.
 
73 de José Manuel, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16498 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 07:11:31 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 07:11:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 20747 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 07:11:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 07:11:41 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17vBkU-00073R-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:10:46 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vBkU-00073H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:10:46 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.96.3]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020928071044.NUXL13996.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:10:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c266be$3cff9f40$036068d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:11:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Good QRSS3 signals from RU6LWZ last night at around 1900UTC. His sigs were audible, too, but continuous QRN may have made normal CW difficult. He was called by me, DL3FDO and DF6NM but he did not reply. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14658 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 19:22:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 19:22:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 23692 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 19:22:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 19:22:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17v0fq-00062z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:21:14 +0100 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17v0fp-00062p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:21:13 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20020927192040.TJBT3898.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:20:40 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.54.66.247]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020927192039.BPZX16938.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:20:39 +1200 Message-ID: <001f01c2665a$fc511fe0$f74236d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:18:12 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LWZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, I have reviewed a series of Argo captures, for 137.7000 kHz, earlier this morning. There is a suggestion of a QRSS signal before local sunrise, but it is too indistinct to claim anything. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9692 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:43:51 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:43:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 25169 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:43:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:43:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17v02x-0005wP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:41:03 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.129] (helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17v02w-0005wF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:41:02 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.134]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020927184102.PSNW196.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:41:02 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c26655$816490a0$862465d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368EAE@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:41:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: SV: O copy in Sweden (Intern) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group LA8AK wrote: >Hei > >undrer hvor mange som er aktive på 136kHz i Sverige? Hej Jan-Martin, SM6BHZ är mycket aktiv just nu. Förutom jag själv har SM6PXJ, SM6OEW, SM7EUF (?) och SM3UWS varit i luften, kanske fler. Jag vet inte om de är QRV nu. Det har också varit en del aktivitet från OZ, OZ1KMR och några till. 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16745 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:15:27 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:15:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 23946 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:15:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:15:34 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uzbk-0005rR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:12:56 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uzbk-0005rH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:12:56 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 10195 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-12.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:12:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id TP3F1B0J; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:15:56 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:12:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:12:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crystals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Andy, >This filter is shown in the LF Experimenters Handbook on page 25, as part of >the outline design for a narrow bandwidth LF receiver. The frequency >response I measured is given on page 26 >A step change causes it to ring for a few cycles Thanks for the info - looks good!. I'll read that article tonight (must have missed it) and also check out the filter on the bench as soon as I can pick up the xtals. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2669 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 17:36:31 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 17:36:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 25733 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 16:35:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 16:35:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uy1L-0005eL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:31:15 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uy1L-0005eB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:31:15 +0100 Received: from [212.1.151.19] (helo=RSGB613192) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 17uxzA-0007Vz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:29:01 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01c26643$4e792780$045bfea9@RSGB613192> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:29:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crystals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This filter is shown in the LF Experimenters Handbook on page 25, as part of the outline design for a narrow bandwidth LF receiver. The frequency response I measured is given on page 26 If you view the output on a scope and hit it with a signal generator, as you tune over the passband, the response first appears as a bouncing trace which grows to its maximum over a few seconds. A step change causes it to ring for a few cycles - but bear in mind that all filters (except Gaussian designs) will ring. This just happens to be so narrow that the ringing is clearly visible on a scope - it is a rather surreal experience actually seeing the transmient response of a crystal filter in real time ! See you spotted the deliberate mistake on the spec, 50kHz impedance Quite correct, it should of course read 50 k ohm Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashlock,William To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? > Hello Andy, Hugh, and all filter lovers, > > I'm concerned about the transient response since this is the REAL measure of > a good filter. How does it respond to a step input? It could ring for > minutes! > > Hugh, please post the results of the spectrum test when you complete it. > > Thanks, > Bill A > > >Hello Andy > >I think I've answered my own question here. > >I built the filter and it doesn't work with 50 ohm input/output impedance, > >but it DOES work with 50k ohms. Narrow isn't it ! I can just about hit the > right frequency with >a signal generator and see some sine wave on the > scope. I haven't had a chance to put it on the >spectrum analyser yet. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4023 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 17:08:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 17:08:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26060 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 16:12:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 16:12:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uxhM-0005YY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:10:36 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uxhL-0005YO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:10:35 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu05.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.117]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA3d94824a57b1 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:07:38 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:06:13 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <001801c265a2$60be8080$0e18ebc3@BI57429bankinter> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,UPPERCASE_25_50,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. RU6LWZ QRSS120 test will be on freq 137.000 today started at 15z 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8071 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 14:06:07 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 14:06:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 18366 invoked by uid 10001); 27 Sep 2002 15:10:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 15:10:26 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uvjH-0005Da-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:04:27 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uvjH-0005D4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:04:27 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 6938 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 14:04:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-17.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 14:04:22 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:04:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id TP3FD0H7; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:07:21 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:04:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Andy, Hugh, and all filter lovers, I'm concerned about the transient response since this is the REAL measure of a good filter. How does it respond to a step input? It could ring for minutes! Hugh, please post the results of the spectrum test when you complete it. Thanks, Bill A >Hello Andy >I think I've answered my own question here. >I built the filter and it doesn't work with 50 ohm input/output impedance, >but it DOES work with 50k ohms. Narrow isn't it ! I can just about hit the right frequency with >a signal generator and see some sine wave on the scope. I haven't had a chance to put it on the >spectrum analyser yet. _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21696 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 13:21:16 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 13:21:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 26236 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 13:21:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 13:21:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uv1k-00050z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:19:28 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.80] (helo=mailout01.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uv1k-00050p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:19:28 +0100 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17uv1j-0003Js-02; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:19:27 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.13.7]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17uv1L-0MXjayC; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:19:03 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c265a2$60be8080$0e18ebc3@BI57429bankinter> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:19:03 +0200 Message-ID: <17uv1L-0MXjayC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Signal report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group José Manuel schrieb: > Hi to the Group: > > I´ll appreciate any report of my signals on 137705 Hz. Radiated power: 1 mW. > > 73 de José Manuel, EA1PX. > Hi Jose Manuel, what kind of emission is it? saludos de Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11069 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 11:03:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 11:03:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 7104 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 11:03:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 11:03:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17usqZ-0004Tj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:59:47 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.227] (helo=warrior.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17usqZ-0004TZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:59:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 24345 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 10:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hugh) (62.60.46.45) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 10:59:16 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c26614$84f62c60$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C26537.C1466D20.g4jnt@thersgb.net> <001601c26609$c8a831c0$0504210a@c.scope> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:56:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Andy I think I've answered my own question here. I built the filter and it doesn't work with 50 ohm input/output impedance, but it DOES work with 50k ohms. Narrow isn't it ! I can just about hit the right frequency with a signal generator and see some sine wave on the scope. I haven't had a chance to put it on the spectrum analyser yet. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "g6tmk" To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: LF: Re: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? > Hello Andy, > In your recent posting about the 33kHz crystal filter, can you clarify what > the characteristic impedance is ... > It is very unusual to specify an impedance in terms of a frequency, so I > feel there must be some mistake. > Thanks > Hugh M0WYE > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23791 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 09:44:25 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 09:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 11603 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 09:44:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 09:44:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ureC-00044T-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:42:56 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.225] (helo=murphys.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ureC-000443-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:42:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 18780 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 09:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hugh) (62.60.61.131) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 09:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c26609$c8a831c0$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C26537.C1466D20.g4jnt@thersgb.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:39:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Andy, In your recent posting about the 33kHz crystal filter, can you clarify what the characteristic impedance is ... It is very unusual to specify an impedance in terms of a frequency, so I feel there must be some mistake. Thanks Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy talbot" To: Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: LF: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? > Its was I ........... > > 1) Take a handful of watch crystals, from the same batch (buy 10 or 20 from > Farnel / Maplin ??) > 2) Connect 5 in series to form the top elements of a ladder filter; you now > have 6 connection nodes, taking 1 as the input, 6 the output > 3) Connect shunt capacitors to ground as follows, from node 1 47pF, nodes > 2,3,4 and 5 82pF, and node 6 47pF. This gives a ladder filter with a > characteristic impedance of around 50kHz, a 3dB bandwidth in the region of > 2.2Hz and 10 dB loss. Centre frequency is 32765.5Hz - the series resonance of > a 32768Hz device cut for || resonance. The loss is high enough to smooth > out significant ripples so I made no serious attempt to get a decent response > shape - it was rounded - but with a lot of patience it could be improved no > doubt. > 4) All attempts to use the crystals in thier parallel mode, with top coupling > capacitors lead to very high losses that would have needed a characteristic > impedance of meg-ohms to get operational. > > I didn't think much of the xtal filter idea idea and abandoned it for a DSP > solution using the 56002EVM. > > Andy G4JNT > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tracey Gardner [SMTP:tracey.gardner@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 2002/09/25 18:49 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? > > << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10518 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 08:43:40 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 08:43:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 18684 invoked by uid 10001); 27 Sep 2002 09:48:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 09:48:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uqi5-0003nu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:42:53 +0100 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uqi5-0003my-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:42:53 +0100 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virusscan.ttyl.com with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:40:41 +0200 Received: from tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.192]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:40:31 +0200 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-215.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:40:31 +0200 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:40:31 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:40:29 +0200 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368EAF@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: Re: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Thread-Index: AcJlgqE1E8tD3jRuT/ODAA7PuIPT+wAfm1Ag From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 08:40:31.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[89EA4F70:01C26601] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: SV: Re: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,NO_REAL_NAME,SUPERLONG_LINEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi You find information on SM5BSZ's site, this is for using 100kHz xtals. I have lot of 59.995kHz pilot xtals and wished to try, but have not succeeded so far. Seems important to have some more elaborate instruments to tune the coils. 60kHz isn't so bad problem around here (Kristiansand =JO38XC), for a 40673 mixer you need 30-40dB IF rejection to avoid hearing MSF in the background, hi 73 Jan-Martin LA8AK -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: hamilton mal [mailto:g3kev.ham@virgin.net] Sendt: 26. september 2002 17:23 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: LF: Re: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Gardner" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: LF: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? > > I recall someone making a very narrow CW filter (20Hz?) which utilised a > number of 32kHz clock crystals. > > I'd like to have a go at building one but can't recall where I saw the > information. > > Can anyone on the list point me in the right direction please? Hello Tracy I and others no doubt are awaiting your response about the equipment that you mentioned in a recent message. Are you going to persue the matter or drop it ? I am interested in some items and will go direct to negotiate if you drop out. Did you get any response from others on not? Are you going to buy the lot? Surprised you and others did not buy at Donnington. De Mal/G3KEV > > 73s Tracey > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18608 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 08:39:35 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 08:39:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 14520 invoked by uid 10001); 27 Sep 2002 09:43:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 09:43:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uqdf-0003lI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:38:19 +0100 Received: from [193.212.240.200] (helo=virus-out.ttyl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uqdf-0003l8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:38:19 +0100 Received: from [134.47.162.90] by virusscan.ttyl.com with ESMTP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:36:04 +0200 Received: from tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.92]) by tns-fbu-22-208.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:55 +0200 Received: from tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.162.191]) by tns-fbu-22-214.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:55 +0200 Received: from TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no ([134.47.164.201]) by tns-fbu-22-213.corp.telenor.no with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:54 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:35:54 +0200 Message-ID: <2D280BB697C7EE4C979C5C89925418EF368EAE@TNS-FBU-2E-003.corp.telenor.no> Thread-Topic: O copy of RU6LWZ in Sweden Thread-Index: AcJlnSUjjoDP8tIQQOmASyv87sL2KQAY53KA From: jan-martin.noding@telenor.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 08:35:54.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5190310:01C26600] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: SV: O copy in Sweden (Intern) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hei undrer hvor mange som er aktive på 136kHz i Sverige? 73 Jan-Martin LA8AK@online.no -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Johan Bodin [mailto:sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se] Sendt: 26. september 2002 22:32 Til: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Emne: LF: O copy of RU6LWZ in Sweden Hi RU6LWZ is booming in with O + 20dB :-) Screenshot attached. 73 Johan SM6LKM P.S. SM6BHZ is calling CQ right now on 136505. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7121 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 07:18:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 07:18:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28323 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 07:18:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 07:18:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17upNG-0003Tp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:17:18 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17upNF-0003TR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:17:17 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu05.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.117]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA3d94048b01a1; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:11:07 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:09:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: Hz@yahoogroups.com, "LF-Group" In-reply-to: <000101c26588$7ee21aa0$af007ad5@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. There is my log here. 29 Sept 2002 18-37 GMT 137.69 M copy RU6LWZ 19-07 GMT 137.69 O copy RU6LWZ 19-17 GMT 137.69 O copy RU6LWZ 19-32 GMT 137.69 O copy RU6LWZ 19-35 GMT 137.69 O copy RU6LWZ 20-26 GMT 137.70 M copy RU6LWZ 21-05 GMT tuning from 137.708 to 137.700 kHz O copy 21-15 GMT 137.70 O copy QRZ DE RU6LWZ 21-27 GMT 137.70 O copy 6DT DE RU6LWZ K 21-51 GMT 137.70 O copy CQ RU6LWZ K 22-14 GMT 137.70 O copy CQ RU6LWZ K 27 Sept 2002 00-23 GMT 137.70 O copy RU6LWZ 00-31 GMT 137.70 O copy very nice! CQ RU6LWZ 00-51 GMT 137.70 M copy CQ RU6LWZ All sigs was QRSS3. Used antenna was indoor loop about 40 cm diameter not shelded but balanced well. Attempt to use large indoor loop 3.0 x 2.5 m was unsucsessfully because it is worth to tune loop direction to minimal noise very acurate. Used software was HAMVIEW in MS DOS system. Unfortunely speed of my computer is very weak (486 80 MHz machine) so I can't use HAMVIEW filters for audible reciption. Also because of weak CPU speed signal is distorsied when it is recorded to a .wav file. So weak sigs disapered in .wav file. But now I have few .wav records where RU6LWZ callsign is well readable. Unfortunely I have only dialup i-net connection so .wav files are too long to send (abt 3 mbytes each). Soon I'll use .wav files for prepare screen short by computer of my friend RW9MD where Argo works well. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23292 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 21:21:05 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 21:21:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 20751 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 21:21:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 21:21:11 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ug2n-0001hu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:19:33 +0100 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ug2n-0001hk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:19:33 +0100 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h024014.nexo.es [195.235.24.14]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA02224 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:19:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001801c265a2$60be8080$0e18ebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:19:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Signal report Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi to the Group:
 
I´ll appreciate any report of my signals on 137705 Hz. Radiated power: 1 mW.
 
73 de José Manuel, EA1PX.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9468 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 20:45:40 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 20:45:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 6662 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Sep 2002 21:49:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 21:49:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ufUv-0001Vx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:44:33 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ufUv-0001Vn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:44:33 +0100 Received: from host213-122-29-152.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.29.152] helo=main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17ufUu-0006HM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:44:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c2659d$41c203a0$981d7ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:39:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: time log error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All, the timing I quoted for RU6LWZ was not GMT it was BST as my computer insists on making the correction ....so the correct time of my log was 1750 to 1812z . He is still a good signal but there are signs of QSB over the period of a call. Wil PA0BWL is trying to work him at present. The increasing static is carving up some of the elements. I dont think he is audible here yet. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14487 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 20:33:26 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 20:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 1183 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 20:33:32 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 20:33:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ufJ7-0001R6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:32:21 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.132] (helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ufJ6-0001Qw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 21:32:20 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.41.29]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020926203214.MFDR8831.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:32:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c2659b$e0568ce0$1d2965d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000101c26588$7ee21aa0$af007ad5@main> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:31:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: O copy of RU6LWZ in Sweden Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010704060009070801000201" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010704060009070801000201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi RU6LWZ is booming in with O + 20dB :-) Screenshot attached. 73 Johan SM6LKM P.S. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16088 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 19:16:17 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 19:16:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 13034 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 18:16:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 18:16:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17udBB-0000vG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:16:01 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17udBB-0000v6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:16:01 +0100 Received: from host213-122-0-175.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.0.175] helo=main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17udB8-0001ZL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:15:59 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c26588$7ee21aa0$af007ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:12:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ 'O' on 137.690 QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All RU6LWZ is good copy on 137.690 on 3 sec dot QRSS. First spotted at 1850z but is strenthening now it is going dark here. Well at least it means the re-errected wire aerial is working OK. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14516 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 19:15:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 19:15:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8575 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 18:12:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 18:12:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ud6C-0000t9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:10:52 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ud6A-0000sz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:10:51 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu05.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.117]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA3d934c6a11ba for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:05:30 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 01:04:03 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <003701c264ce$2649b340$7b2465d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RU6LWZ Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,UPPERCASE_25_50,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I have copy RU6LWZ surely. QRSS3 on 137.690 M copy. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20448 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 17:30:53 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 17:30:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 1841 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 17:30:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 17:30:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ucRj-0000ig-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:29:03 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ucRh-0000iW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:29:01 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.240]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020926172856.KVIX15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:28:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c26570$9f39c0e0$f0e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021401c264b0$4069ea60$be934c51@remote> <016d01c264bb$e1ea8420$6034fd3e@default> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:22:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Gardner" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: LF: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? > > I recall someone making a very narrow CW filter (20Hz?) which utilised a > number of 32kHz clock crystals. > > I'd like to have a go at building one but can't recall where I saw the > information. > > Can anyone on the list point me in the right direction please? Hello Tracy I and others no doubt are awaiting your response about the equipment that you mentioned in a recent message. Are you going to persue the matter or drop it ? I am interested in some items and will go direct to negotiate if you drop out. Did you get any response from others on not? Are you going to buy the lot? Surprised you and others did not buy at Donnington. De Mal/G3KEV > > 73s Tracey > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13282 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 12:03:05 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 12:03:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6813 invoked by uid 10001); 26 Sep 2002 13:07:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 13:07:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uXKk-00088g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:01:30 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uXKk-00088W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:01:30 +0100 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 12:01:24 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.76] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 207giZmBy0335M30; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:01:25 GMT Message-ID: <3D92F6F1.8030900@usa.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:00:49 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: Question on JASON to transmitter interface??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,SUBJ_HAS_Q_MARKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group WE0H wrote: >How does one connect the sound card to the transmitter and what kind of >audio signal is present on the cable to the transceiver from the sound >card??? > > Mike, the output from the sound card is a sinusoidal signal at the so-called line level, usually a bit less than 1V pk-pk, and the frequency is that of the center frequency set in the options of the program (default 800 Hz) plus or minus the delta carrying the information. Max deviation is plus or minus 2 Hz. To feed it to a transceiver microphone input, you will need a passive attenuator (a couple of resistors), to bring it to the level required by the rig you are using. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9892 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 07:37:10 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 07:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 23209 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 07:37:19 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 07:37:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uTC5-0007PR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:36:17 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uTC5-0007PH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:36:17 +0100 Received: from [212.1.140.173] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 17uTA3-0002nb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:34:11 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:36:06 +0100 Message-ID: <01C26537.C1466D20.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:36:04 +0100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RE: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Its was I ........... 1) Take a handful of watch crystals, from the same batch (buy 10 or 20 from Farnel / Maplin ??) 2) Connect 5 in series to form the top elements of a ladder filter; you now have 6 connection nodes, taking 1 as the input, 6 the output 3) Connect shunt capacitors to ground as follows, from node 1 47pF, nodes 2,3,4 and 5 82pF, and node 6 47pF. This gives a ladder filter with a characteristic impedance of around 50kHz, a 3dB bandwidth in the region of 2.2Hz and 10 dB loss. Centre frequency is 32765.5Hz - the series resonance of a 32768Hz device cut for || resonance. The loss is high enough to smooth out significant ripples so I made no serious attempt to get a decent response shape - it was rounded - but with a lot of patience it could be improved no doubt. 4) All attempts to use the crystals in thier parallel mode, with top coupling capacitors lead to very high losses that would have needed a characteristic impedance of meg-ohms to get operational. I didn't think much of the xtal filter idea idea and abandoned it for a DSP solution using the 56002EVM. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Tracey Gardner [SMTP:tracey.gardner@ntlworld.com] Sent: 2002/09/25 18:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24681 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 21:37:44 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 21:37:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3261 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Sep 2002 22:41:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 22:41:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uJpP-0005rI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:36:15 +0100 Received: from [216.93.66.200] (helo=mail1.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uJpO-0005r8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:36:15 +0100 Received: from k6500 (d18.as3.mpls.mn.voyager.net [169.207.249.242] (may be forged)) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8PLZgs38054; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:35:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "WE0H" To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net Cc: "Post Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:36:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: High Subject: LF: Question on JASON to transmitter interface??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=X_MSMAIL_PRIORITY_HIGH,SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK, FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,MAY_BE_FORGED,X_PRIORITY_HIGH, SUBJ_HAS_Q_MARKversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group How does one connect the sound card to the transmitter and what kind of audio signal is present on the cable to the transceiver from the sound card??? This is a question that a friend of mine is asking as he is experimenting with JASON on some band and should eventually get on LF with some more persuading from me. You can reply direct or on the reflector. Thanks a bunch, Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf.html From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5160 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 20:00:36 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 20:00:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 4546 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 20:00:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 20:00:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uIJu-0005cZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:59:38 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.130] (helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uIJu-0005cP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:59:38 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.123]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020925195935.HPEH3623.fep02-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:59:35 +0200 Message-ID: <003701c264ce$2649b340$7b2465d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021401c264b0$4069ea60$be934c51@remote> <016d01c264bb$e1ea8420$6034fd3e@default> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:59:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Tracey, I think Andy G4JNT has been playing with 32kHz watch xtals in filter applications. 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9218 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 17:52:36 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 17:52:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 18634 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Sep 2002 18:56:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 18:56:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uGIY-0005Gl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:50:06 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.42] (helo=mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uGIY-0005Gb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:50:06 +0100 Received: from default ([62.253.49.49]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020925174957.QVUM20346.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@default> for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:49:57 +0100 Message-ID: <016d01c264bb$e1ea8420$6034fd3e@default> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021401c264b0$4069ea60$be934c51@remote> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:49:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Narrow CW filter using 32kHz clock crstals? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I recall someone making a very narrow CW filter (20Hz?) which utilised a number of 32kHz clock crystals. I'd like to have a go at building one but can't recall where I saw the information. Can anyone on the list point me in the right direction please? 73s Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12530 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 16:26:38 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:26:38 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 14524 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 16:26:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:26:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uEyE-00054Q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:25:02 +0100 Received: from [195.92.193.210] (helo=cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uEy4-00054E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:24:52 +0100 Received: from modem-958.zebra.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.147.190] helo=remote) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17uEy2-000521-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: <021401c264b0$4069ea60$be934c51@remote> From: "Roy" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:25:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BadReturnPath: dxdx@dxin.freeserve.co.uk rewritten as dogd@madasafish.com using "Reply-To" header Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01F7_01C264B8.93E7D780" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.9 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,SUBJ_MISSING,MAILTO_LINK,NO_MX_FOR_FROMversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: *** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01C264B8.93E7D780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all, my email address has changed now. 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------=_NextPart_000_01F7_01C264B8.93E7D780-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26248 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 16:07:42 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:07:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13278 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 14:30:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:30:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uDAS-0004hq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:29:32 +0100 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uDAS-0004hg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:29:32 +0100 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g8PET1X15874 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:29:01 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:29:01 +0200 Message-ID: <200209251429.g8PET1X15874@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: the bucket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0tests=SUPERLONG_LINE,MIME_EXCESSIVE_QPversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Lieber Uwe, schick diesen Beitrag mit Bild doch auf Deutsch an die Redaktion von cq-DL oder an Geri ,DK 8 KW, der die LW-Seite im "Funkamateur" betreut. CWIMEIMER wurde als neue Betriebsart schon einmal vorgestellt, Langwelle im Eimer kennen bisher nur wir als Insider. Die Eimerstapelspule ist für den Fieldday viel einfacher zu transportieren als die 1,30m-Kanalrohr-Lösung, zumindest wenn man seine Bandscheiben spürt. Grüße, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND NOTE for the foreign reader: I asked Uwe to publish this in a German Club-Magazine and a Ham-Radio Magazine. rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 24.09.02 23:43:40: > Hi all, > > I discovered a stable 30-litre-bucket in our garden. > material: PVC. color: black. however vy soiled with a mixture > of garden earth and chicken excrement. after cleaning it was wound > immediately with 25 turns 3mm litze, fixed over a guide roller to > the axle of an misused antenna rotor and sunked in a with 76 turns > wounded piece of channel pipe (see attachment). > > there the call of my XYL came: "have you seen my garden bucket?" > answer:" I did help it to a better existence. come and see!" > > she came into the shack, looked and said with unusually loud voice: > "the bucket is snatched from its used surroundings , > it is approaching an existence in a roasting tube, > it doesn't see the sun any longer and doesn't feel the rain no longer > and no longer it is carried by me. > that should be a better existence for my garden bucket? > that is absolute nonsense." > > logic of a woman. > > my foult was the hedged answer. I gave the bucket back. > > how would you have decided? > > regards > > Uwe/dj8wx > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13078 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 15:49:58 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 15:49:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 25903 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 13:29:40 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:29:40 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uCDH-0004Tn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:28:23 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.225] (helo=murphys.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uCDH-0004TM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:28:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 1597 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 13:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hugh) (62.60.43.198) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:27:41 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c26496$ed790ac0$0504210a@c.scope> From: "g6tmk" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:59:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: the bucket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I discovered a length of aluminium tube in the garden, being used to grow runner beans. I snatched it from its surroundings and It now enjoys a better existence as part of a VHF antenna. It sees the sun and feels the rain, and is rotated by me ... Lovely story, Uwe I think I would have bought her a brand new bucket :o) 73 Hugh, M0WYE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19024 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 14:21:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:21:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20585 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 14:21:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:21:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uD1H-0004du-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:20:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.10] (helo=public1.thorcom.com ident=[DnRGLw7f0sCF23Ur9hwXKARJu/vxK6Ud]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uD1G-0004dk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:20:02 +0100 Received: from 1149.cust.skynetweb.com ([208.231.4.134] helo=mail.salmark.net) by public1.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17uD1G-00089V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:20:02 +0100 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by mail.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17uCyA-00070p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:16:50 -0400 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g8PEFpX20691 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:16:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:16:04 +0200 Message-ID: <200209251416.g8PEFpX20691@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Remarks Longwave Activity Day Sept. 21/ 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,SUPERLONG_LINEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello all, if You have any questions about our Long wave Fieldday, please send email directly to Klaus, DK1SB@darc.de (Press infos) or to Hans, DL5SDF@t-online.de (QSL-Manager) 55, Hans-Albrecht, DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 23.09.02 20:21:18: > Dear Lowfers, > > thank You all who have been active over the past weekend and could work our LF-stn DK 0 UH. > It was a new challenge for our club chapter and most interesting for cw-only-operators as well as for phone-only operators. CW-ops learned to listn on week signals and to to key slowly, and to get accustomed to my vibroplex keyer. SWLs an visitors from other club chapters looked with big eyes at the loading coil and the 250 m wire aireal. > > As average age in P41 is about 49 years, many OMs have done many IARU-Fielddays and UHF-Contests. This weekend was something new for all of us and showed our team and me what is possible with our club. So I hope this will give some ideas to Your club section. > > Our rig: > > TX: 70 W out/60 Ohm (DK 8 ND) > RX: EKD315 Funkwerk Köpenik, DDR (DK 8 ND) > Ant: 250 m Wire, suported by three masts 9m, 20 m, 10 m > Loading coil build by DK 7 SU with variometer. > > As I go this week for holliday to California, more about in End of October. > > Remark for DK 0 WD: I just got started, when I heard Your call and I have been exited as with my first shortwave or longwave qso. Thanks. > > > 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND > > > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 10.09.02 22:37:19: > > > > > Dear Lowfers, > > > > > > over the weekend 21./ 22. September 2002 our club chapter "Hohenstaufen" DOK P41 will have an activity Day, from our district Wuerttremberg, on 136 kHz +/- qrm. > > > > > > Mode A1A, aural cw. We will use our club-call DK 0 UH and Operators calls. > > > > > > Locator JN48TM (Westerheim, South Germany, nr. Sturrgart). > > > > > > All LOWFER-Operators are kindly asked to be active on this weekend between Saturday afternoon and and Sunday afternoon. > > > > > > Frequency: 136.5 kHz > > > confirmaton traffic: 7.022 MHz, A1A, QSU > > > Requests please under E-Mail: HaffaHA@t-online.de or HaffaHA@web.de > > > > > > 73 de > > > DK 8 ND > > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa > > > Chairman OV P41 ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21416 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 13:26:00 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:26:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 144 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 13:26:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:26:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uC9N-0004Ry-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:24:21 +0100 Received: from [134.58.10.50] (helo=mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uC9N-0004Rn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:24:21 +0100 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be ([10.33.165.177]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g8PDN8Xw176250 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:23:08 +0200 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020925145933.029c3b98@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:28:08 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: <17txM8-1QXCHwC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20020914175946.00a18570@pop3.esoterica.pt> <3.0.5.32.20020916053341.00a9b3d0@pop3.esoterica.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: the bucket Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODY,PORN_11version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Uwe, What you did is most dangerous ! My experience is limited to 1 wife, with whom I am still happily married, but I can assure you that certain things cannot be done (as taking her gardening equipment) and if you dare to do it will immediately turn against you. Be prepared that in the near future your antennas will be used to dry clothes on, your soldering iron will be confiscated as an engraving tool and your modern tranceiver - that can be tuned form LF to 30MHz and has AM mode - will be used to listen to all kinds of popular music. And this will be only the beginning, wives have a nearly unlimited imagination how they can (mis)use our hobby tools. And all this because of a plastic bucket that you could easily buy for a few Euro in the next DIY ... how foolish ! If you cannot be persuaded to undertake no such actions in the future I kindly ask you not to report about it on this reflector. My wife ocasionaly looks over my shoulder when I am reading my e-mail. It took me a long time and a lot of effort to convince her that amateur radio is a harmless hobby and I will not tolerate that foolish actions of others will make her change her mind. 73, Rik ON7YD At 23:36 24/09/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I discovered a stable 30-litre-bucket in our garden. >material: PVC. color: black. however vy soiled with a mixture >of garden earth and chicken excrement. after cleaning it was wound >immediately with 25 turns 3mm litze, fixed over a guide roller to >the axle of an misused antenna rotor and sunked in a with 76 turns >wounded piece of channel pipe (see attachment). > >there the call of my XYL came: "have you seen my garden bucket?" >answer:" I did help it to a better existence. come and see!" > >she came into the shack, looked and said with unusually loud voice: >"the bucket is snatched from its used surroundings , >it is approaching an existence in a roasting tube, >it doesn't see the sun any longer and doesn't feel the rain no longer >and no longer it is carried by me. >that should be a better existence for my garden bucket? >that is absolute nonsense." > >logic of a woman. > >my foult was the hedged answer. I gave the bucket back. > >how would you have decided? > >regards > >Uwe/dj8wx > > > > > > > > > >Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="LLMATCH1.JPG" >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="LLMATCH1.JPG" >Content-MD5: TklBkVIcP1c+FLEVhHax3Q== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27626 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 13:13:01 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:13:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 21706 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 12:40:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 12:40:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17uBS9-0004KV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:39:41 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.18] (helo=mailout04.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17uBS9-0004KL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:39:41 +0100 Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17uBS3-0008SY-0E; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:39:35 +0200 Received: from 217.2.69.116 (087321565-0001@[217.2.69.116]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17uBRy-1lvA7UC; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:39:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.108 Date: 25 Sep 2002 12:22 GMT Message-ID: <17uBRy-1lvA7UC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 087321565-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: the bucket Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, I would not have violated the garden world of my wife. If I had the idea to build a variometer this way, I would have bought my own bucket for such an application. Due to different logics the hardware in use has also to be separated. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> schrieb: > >Hi all, > >I discovered a stable 30-litre-bucket in our garden. >material: PVC. color: black. however vy soiled with a mixture >of garden earth and chicken excrement. after cleaning it was wound >immediately with 25 turns 3mm litze, fixed over a guide roller to >the axle of an misused antenna rotor and sunked in a with 76 turns >wounded piece of channel pipe (see attachment). > >there the call of my XYL came: "have you seen my garden bucket?" >answer:" I did help it to a better existence. come and see!" > >she came into the shack, looked and said with unusually loud voice: >"the bucket is snatched from its used surroundings , >it is approaching an existence in a roasting tube, >it doesn't see the sun any longer and doesn't feel the rain no longer >and no longer it is carried by me. >that should be a better existence for my garden bucket? >that is absolute nonsense." > >logic of a woman. > >my foult was the hedged answer. I gave the bucket back. > >how would you have decided? > >regards > >Uwe/dj8wx > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16727 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 05:22:12 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 05:22:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 2062 invoked by uid 10001); 25 Sep 2002 06:26:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:26:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17u4c8-0003a7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:21:32 +0100 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17u4c7-0003Zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:21:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 9865 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 09:04:18 +0400 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 09:04:18 +0400 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:15:40 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <14541916886.20020925091540@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Sep 26-29 UA6 activity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello LF_Group! RU6LWZ Club will be active on 136 from 26 to 29 Sep from Machta QTH-loc KN97LN (50km from Taganrog to N) The basic frequencies: 137.7 QRSS, 136.2 - CW Also RU6LWZ will be carrying out beacon tests (QRSS120 RU6LWZ): for ZL and UA As 15:00 to 18:30z on Sep 27 for NA SA 22:30 to 3:30z from 28 to 29 night FREQ 135.922 FREQ for ZL/UA_As I shall inform in addition when Bob ZL2CA will specify precisely We shall have a DX-cluster. Also it is possible to inform us on a pager via e-mail: e-mail: vesso@crypt.rnd.ru Subject: 29600 In body: text The equipment same as well as in April 2002: Ant TX - Big Vertical , PA - 100w Output, TS-850, Ant RX - BV 1km and Loops, Pre-selector with hi Q coils Our LF crew: Vlad UA6LV, Vic UA6LO, Serge UA6LFQ, Ed RU6LA But together we shall seldom in this period Alex RA9MB our pilot-operator We meet on 136? 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8313 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 21:38:21 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 21:38:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22283 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 21:38:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 21:37:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17txMb-0002q0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:37:01 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.21] (helo=mailout10.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17txMa-0002pq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:37:00 +0100 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17txMP-0007gu-07; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:49 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.224.51.147]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17txM8-1QXCHwC; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:32 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.5.32.20020914175946.00a18570@pop3.esoterica.pt> <3.0.5.32.20020916053341.00a9b3d0@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 23:36:32 +0200 Message-ID: <17txM8-1QXCHwC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: LF: the bucket Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090602070300060702030800" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090602070300060702030800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I discovered a stable 30-litre-bucket in our garden. material: PVC. color: black. however vy soiled with a mixture of garden earth and chicken excrement. after cleaning it was wound immediately with 25 turns 3mm litze, fixed over a guide roller to the axle of an misused antenna rotor and sunked in a with 76 turns wounded piece of channel pipe (see attachment). there the call of my XYL came: "have you seen my garden bucket?" answer:" I did help it to a better existence. come and see!" she came into the shack, looked and said with unusually loud voice: "the bucket is snatched from its used surroundings , it is approaching an existence in a roasting tube, it doesn't see the sun any longer and doesn't feel the rain no longer and no longer it is carried by me. that should be a better existence for my garden bucket? that is absolute nonsense." logic of a woman. my foult was the hedged answer. 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(qmail 22584 invoked by uid 10001); 24 Sep 2002 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 19:07:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17tu0P-0002Q7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:01:53 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.42] (helo=mta2-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tu0P-0002Px-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:01:53 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.229.105]) by mta2-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020924180152.PXUX3351.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:01:52 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c263e2$e5cbe9a0$1dd1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00d801c2632f$8cd55880$a42cfd3e@default> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:55:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Selective Level Meters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Gardner" To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:30 PM Subject: LF: Selective Level Meters > > I called Neil Carter today, he was the guy that had the W&G SLMs for sale > at the Donington Park exhibition. > I gather that a couple of other people from the list have been in touch with > him (Mal?) following my message on Saturday. > Neil has now sent me, and others, a list of the test gear that he's got for > sale and he has quite a few SLMs available. > He obviously didn't sell much if anything at Donington! > I've abridged the list to show only the SLMs and associated equipment > > > HP 3586A selective level meter 2 off > Sierra 303B selective level meter > W & G SPM19 6 off > W & G PS19 > W & G PSS19 > W & G SPM12 > W & G PS12 2 off > W & G SPM31 > W & G PS30 > > He is looking for the best offers, with a preference to a bulk buy. > The equipment has not been recently tested and is out of test (2000). > > Is anybody on the list interested in any of this equipment, if so we/you > could put in a bulk bid to get a reasonable price? > > 73s Tracey I cannot understand why those that went to Donnington did not buy some of the above equipment. I was not at the Donnington rally so did not see the equipment. Last year there were 10 Decca transmitters 5501 type available in Scotland that I mentioned. £50 for the lot collect, expect the carriage from England might make it too expensive No one seemed interested, and I did not bother because I already had a couple. I could built a quality 1 kw 136 TX quicker than modifying the Decca, especially the lower freq units. I suppose the LF interest is so low that equipment especially for those bands does not make it cost effective. If you buy the lot Tracy I might be interested in some items at a PRICE!! Some commercial outlets selling test equipment items at £500 each fully calibrated and guaranteed can be bought at radio rallies as seen for around £50. When you get home and test these items they might not work. Take you pick !!! I will not persue the above items since you have an interest. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4691 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 16:58:35 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 16:58:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1707 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 16:58:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 16:58:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17tsyC-0002GP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:55:32 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.106] (helo=imo-r10.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tsyB-0002G7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:55:32 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.11.) id l.7f.2c652847 (3956) for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.2c652847.2ac1f2dd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:54:53 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: Re: LF: Longwave Activity Day Sept. 21/ 22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Hans,

Thanks for the activity. Yes I thought there were QRN / QRM problems, as it took a few attempts. The station DK0WD calling you was in fact DF0WD with myself at the key.

You put out a very impressive signal into northern DL !


Apart from that: Been listening for hours, and staring at the screen for hours. Not a trace from Russia and New Zealand.

Hope to work / see you in winter time ... it can't be that long now, already terribly cold here at night.

Regards,

Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5504 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 18:33:14 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 18:33:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 6074 invoked by uid 10001); 23 Sep 2002 19:37:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 19:37:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17tY0t-0008UO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:32:55 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tY0t-0008UE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:32:55 +0100 Received: from default ([62.253.52.41]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020923183254.EHIH27185.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@default> for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:32:54 +0100 Message-ID: <00d801c2632f$8cd55880$a42cfd3e@default> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:30:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Selective Level Meters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I called Neil Carter today, he was the guy that had the W&G SLMs for sale at the Donington Park exhibition. I gather that a couple of other people from the list have been in touch with him (Mal?) following my message on Saturday. Neil has now sent me, and others, a list of the test gear that he's got for sale and he has quite a few SLMs available. He obviously didn't sell much if anything at Donington! I've abridged the list to show only the SLMs and associated equipment HP 3586A selective level meter 2 off Sierra 303B selective level meter W & G SPM19 6 off W & G PS19 W & G PSS19 W & G SPM12 W & G PS12 2 off W & G SPM31 W & G PS30 He is looking for the best offers, with a preference to a bulk buy. The equipment has not been recently tested and is out of test (2000). Is anybody on the list interested in any of this equipment, if so we/you could put in a bulk bid to get a reasonable price? 73s Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19133 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 18:18:11 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 18:18:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 28208 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 18:18:21 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 18:18:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17tXlq-0008QQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:17:22 +0100 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tXlq-0008QG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:17:22 +0100 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g8NIGpX25678; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:16:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:16:51 +0200 Message-ID: <200209231816.g8NIGpX25678@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: dk1sb@darc.de, paul.arndt@stama.de Subject: LF: Longwave Activity Day Sept. 21/ 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,PORN_4,SUPERLONG_LINE,MIME_EXCESSIVE_QPversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: *** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Lowfers, thank You all who have benn active over the past weekend and cohld work our LF-stn DK 0 UH. It was a new challenge for our club chapter and most interesting for cw-only-operators as well as for phone-only operators. CW-opüs learned t listn on week signals and to to key slowly, and to get accustomed to my vibroplex keyer. SWLs an visitors from other club chapters looked with big eyes at the loading coil and the 250 m wire aireal. As average age in P41 is about 49 years, many OMs have done many IARU-Fielddays and UHF-Contests. This weekend was something new for all of us and showed our team and me what is possible with our club. So I hope this will give some ideas to Your club section. Our rig: TX: 70 W out/60 Ohm (DK 8 ND) RX: EKD315 Funkwerk Köpenik, DDR (DK 8 ND) Ant: 250 m Wire, suported by three masts 9m, 20 m, 10 m Loading coil build by DK 7 SU with variometer. As I go this week for holliday to California, more about in End of October. Remark for DK 0 WD: I just got started, when I heard Your call and I have been exited as with my first shortwave or longwave qso. Thanks. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 20.09.02 19:17:51: > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 10.09.02 22:37:19: > > > Dear Lowfers, > > > > over the weekend 21./ 22. September 2002 our club chapter "Hohenstaufen" DOK P41 will have an activity Day, from our district Wuerttremberg, on 136 kHz +/- qrm. > > > > Mode A1A, aural cw. We will use our club-call DK 0 UH and Operators calls. > > > > Locator JN48TM (Westerheim, South Germany, nr. Sturrgart). > > > > All LOWFER-Operators are kindly asked to be active on this weekend between Saturday afternoon and and Sunday afternoon. > > > > Frequency: 136.5 kHz > > confirmaton traffic: 7.022 MHz, A1A, QSU > > Requests please under E-Mail: HaffaHA@t-online.de or HaffaHA@web.de > > > > 73 de > > DK 8 ND > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa > > Chairman OV P41 > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > WEB.DE MyPage - Ultimatives Kommunikationstool! Ihre Message sofort > online! Domain aenderbar! http://www.das.ist.aber.ne.lustige.sache.ms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________________ Testsieg! Laut Computer-Bild ist WEB.DE FreeMail der sicherste E-Mail Anbieter Deutschlands. Mehr: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021131 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14356 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 15:36:19 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 15:36:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 22948 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 15:36:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 15:36:01 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17tVDP-00089u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:33:39 +0100 Received: from [64.136.24.74] (helo=m11.boston.juno.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tVDO-00089k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:33:38 +0100 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewAjjosXQXeLEvbMKn01+3B2blj2OhyOnZA=="> Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.bos.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HDEDA68S; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:33:07 EDT To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:31:52 -0400 Message-ID: <20020923.113152.-524151.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-17,19-21,23-24,26,28-34 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "BOB RIESE" Subject: LF: Frequency Measuring Tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.4 required=5.0tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVDversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All Some folks were interested in the ARRL's Frequency Measuring tests. Here is the info from QST. I would suspect all the top / accurate measurements will be done by LF enthusiasts\\ dates---November 7 ,2002 times--0245Z (November 6 th at 2145 EST) Freq ---3580,,7047,,,14,048,,,21,068 the transmissions will be sent on all 4 frequencies at the same time by W1AW 20 second key down,,, a series of dits,,, station I. D. the sequences to last a total of 5 minutes submissions may be sent to W1AW, FMT 225 Main St. Newington CT. 06111,USA I checked the ARRL site. there was nothing about W1AW FMT but they did mention a test done for the Boat Anchor Net by K9EUI . Dropped a note to the League to see if they were going to update things I hope they will know their frequency to the quarter cycle this info was in the October QST Bob K3DJC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6266 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 02:12:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 02:12:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22618 invoked by uid 10001); 23 Sep 2002 03:16:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 03:16:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17tIgL-0006cU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 03:10:41 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tIgK-0006cK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 03:10:41 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA3d8e77cc5034 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:09:16 +0700 (OSS) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:50:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <20020921145040.29245746EF@smtp5.wanadoo.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,UPPERCASE_25_50,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. Unfortunely nobody see Vlad's SIGS. Now Vlad is QRT for two weeks. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24648 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 17:19:33 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 17:19:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 1320 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 17:19:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 17:19:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17tANS-0005yS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:18:38 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17tANS-0005yI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:18:38 +0100 Received: from host62-6-97-117.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.97.117] helo=jackie) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17tANR-0000lE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c2625d$51f0a080$7561063e@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:27:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Proximity effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group -----Original Message----- From: Vernall >Steve, > >> I'm struggling with a poor set of options for an aerial at this house. The >> greatest vertical section I can get while still allowing top loading is >> 8-9m, but the lower 3-4m would be up against brickwork. How much does this >> affect radiation compared with, say, 6m vertical clear of buildings (with >> the same toploading)? > >It's fun trying, even if proximity effect robs you of a few dB. Give it a >go, assess results and then decide what betterment route to take. Unfortunately, limited spare time and circumstances make aerial experiments difficult - I'm going to have to live with whatever I choose for some time. >From G3XDV: >It depends what you mean by "up against". Good insulation is vital, but >assuming you mean 100mm or more separation, there should be little problem. Up against pretty much means up against, although after reading your comments I'll see if I can work in some space. Very helpful, thanks. >see http://www.f.thersgb.net/antenna.htm A Freudian slip? :-) Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22267 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 10:38:48 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 10:38:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 2272 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 10:38:57 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 10:38:57 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17t48U-0005V9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:38:46 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17t48U-0005Uy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:38:46 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.100.190]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020922103845.BZXM27185.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:38:45 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c26224$4a562720$be6468d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <10c.182d8bb9.2abef10e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:39:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Transatlantic details? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > I've been asked to update an article for Rad Com and I have been trying to > locate some details of the current 2 way 136kHz Transatlantic record. > I believe it's still G3AQC to Larry VA3LK but is the distance recorded > anywhere? > David G0MRF David, See my web site for distances. It's a bit out of date, now, but I believe it still shows the best DX. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20637 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 10:36:30 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 10:36:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 7546 invoked by uid 10001); 22 Sep 2002 11:40:51 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 11:40:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17t460-0005T0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:36:12 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17t460-0005Sq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:36:12 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.100.190]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020922103610.BYIW27185.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:36:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c26223$ee3dcc40$be6468d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c26216$de1adc20$9f0b7ad5@jackie> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:36:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Proximity effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Steve Thompson wrote: > I'm struggling with a poor set of options for an aerial at this house. The > greatest vertical section I can get while still allowing top loading is > 8-9m, but the lower 3-4m would be up against brickwork. How much does this > affect radiation compared with, say, 6m vertical clear of buildings (with > the same toploading)? It depends what you mean by "up against". Good insulation is vital, but assuming you mean 100mm or more separation, there should be little problem. There are two things you can do to improve things: 1) Use an inductor above the brickwork (as high as is practical) to reduce the voltage close to the lossy structure. 2) Run an earth wire up the brickwork, connected at the bottom to ground. This will give you a fixed capacitance to earth, rather than a changeable resistor (the bricks). My antenna is about 2 metres from the house brickwork for the first 8m of the 14m vertical span. It is attached to a metal mast bolted to the wall with 600mm metal stand-offs (see http://www.f.thersgb.net/antenna.htm). Earthing the mast did not reduce the effectiveness, but made the current much more stable from day to day. Go for it. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25610 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 10:11:28 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 10:11:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15800 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 10:11:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 10:11:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17t3ha-0005P2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:10:58 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.98] (helo=imo-r02.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17t3hZ-0005Os-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:10:57 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.10c.182d8bb9 (2612) for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 06:10:22 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <10c.182d8bb9.2abef10e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 06:10:22 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: LF: Transatlantic details? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Group.

I've been asked to update an article for Rad Com and I have been trying to locate some details of the current 2 way 136kHz Transatlantic record.

I believe it's still G3AQC to Larry VA3LK but is the distance recorded anywhere?
Also, I've seen mention on the reflector of activity from South America (Brazil?) but is any country in that continent currently licensed to transmit on 136kHz?

Thanks

David  G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23262 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 10:00:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 10:00:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 8445 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 10:00:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 10:00:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17t3WQ-0005LY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:59:26 +0100 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17t3WO-0005LO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:59:24 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20020922095852.EHYB24628.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:58:52 +1200 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.99.50]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020922095851.NQOD13892.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 21:58:51 +1200 Message-ID: <000d01c2621f$98d1f500$326336d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c26216$de1adc20$9f0b7ad5@jackie> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:04:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Proximity effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Steve, > I'm struggling with a poor set of options for an aerial at this house. The > greatest vertical section I can get while still allowing top loading is > 8-9m, but the lower 3-4m would be up against brickwork. How much does this > affect radiation compared with, say, 6m vertical clear of buildings (with > the same toploading)? It's fun trying, even if proximity effect robs you of a few dB. Give it a go, assess results and then decide what betterment route to take. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 722 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 08:55:04 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 08:55:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 28569 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 08:55:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 08:55:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17t2VT-0005Fl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:54:23 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17t2VT-0005Fb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:54:23 +0100 Received: from host213-122-11-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.11.159] helo=jackie) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17t2VS-0001EI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:54:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c26216$de1adc20$9f0b7ad5@jackie> From: "Steve Thompson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:03:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Proximity effects Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I'm struggling with a poor set of options for an aerial at this house. The greatest vertical section I can get while still allowing top loading is 8-9m, but the lower 3-4m would be up against brickwork. How much does this affect radiation compared with, say, 6m vertical clear of buildings (with the same toploading)? Thanks, Steve From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26320 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 05:20:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 05:20:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 17556 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 05:20:36 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 05:20:36 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sz97-00050A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 06:19:05 +0100 Received: from [210.86.15.145] (helo=mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sz96-000500-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 06:19:04 +0100 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20020922051831.EZKI3833.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:18:31 +1200 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.225.200]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020922051830.VPFU15895.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:18:30 +1200 Message-ID: <003d01c261f8$6ea22920$0d6336d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C245F0.733C6280.g4jnt@thersgb.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020819134300.00a87a00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <002101c247c2$47d58bc0$b4e136d2@xtr743187> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:01:57 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Confirming that ZL6QH radiated a beacon signal all night, and that timing was good, with each "Q" starting within 12 seconds of the hour. 73, bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27628 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:51:32 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:51:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19926 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Sep 2002 15:55:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 15:55:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17slbG-0002if-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:51:14 +0100 Received: from [194.134.35.176] (helo=smtp5.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17slbG-0002iV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:51:14 +0100 Received: from nl9222@wanadoo (p3303.vwr.wanadoo.nl [212.129.224.239]) by smtp5.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 29245746EF for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:50:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:51:11 +0100 From: "K.Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20020921145040.29245746EF@smtp5.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,PORN_11version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >I did see and hear a good signal this morning on 137.7 khz but did not have >time to wait for an ident. 1st was PA0BWL -20dB 2nd was F6BWO -35dB Looking at halve a Q [from ZL6QH ?] right now, with -72dB these signals on 137788.60 must be just interference but very stable after 2 hours 73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 [SWL] [Grid: JO22KE - Lat: 52° 12' 15.0"N Long: 04° 51' 40.5"E] Home of: Digital and Visual Amateur Radio Software http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/index.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 967 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:33:19 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:33:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 8890 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:33:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:33:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17slJ6-0002bM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:28 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17slJ5-0002bC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:27 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.119]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921143227.YBRY15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c2616a$26d95480$77e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:50:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: LF: RX3QFM > > Hi, Group. > > INFO from Vlad. Because 135.5 is common CW FREQ today he will transmit on > 137.71 kHz. As Ed get Vlad's sigs on 135.51 when nominal FREQ was 135.5 > today Vlad will set nominal 137.7 wich correspond to 137.71 kHz real > frequency. Of cose some error can be... > > Now Vlad is ready for 2-way QRSS QSO. For SKED pse contact with him > via E-mail 6503561@sms.beemail.ru (short MSG because it is the celular > phone SMS, not more then 160 simbols in one MSG) or by the phone > +79036503561 > Also it is posible to ask him change FREQ or someone else by this E-mail > or phone. > > Hope condition will be good and QSO became posible. > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb I did see and hear a good signal this morning on 137.7 khz but did not have time to wait for an ident. Maybe Vlads new QRG or someone else. The QRN again at present is very heavy and I cannot see/hear any signal on the above QRG. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11382 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:33:00 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:33:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3606 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 14:33:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:33:06 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17slJ7-0002ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:29 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17slJ7-0002bQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:29 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.119]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921143228.YBSC15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:32:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c2616a$27bb2900$77e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <010101c25d97$82b77060$4c31f7c2@a7j7r2> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:26:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0tests=PORN_11version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ > I have looked at the NoV and other documentation received from the RA. It > seems to be silent regarding any crossband working with amateurs in the > normal amateur bands. On the other hand, paragraph (b) of the Operating > Guidelines on the RSGB web site states that crossband operation involving > the 5 MHz spot frequencies is only permitted between those holding current 5 > MHz NoVs. > > As far as transatlantic working is concerned, the Operating Guidelines on > the RSGB web site refer to channel FA (effectively 5258.5 kHz USB) as being > used for this purpose between 0000 and 0900 UTC but the 'clockface' document > shows international tests as taking place between 0100 and 0400 UTC on > channel FC. > > Let us see what Mal comes up with. I have received a lot of replies, mostly private emails about the above subject, because those concerned do not want to swamp the LF reflector about 5 mhz observations and neither do I. I only mentioned 5 mhz in the first place here because of the LF operator connection, several LF operators have appeared on the 5 mhz band. The response is mixed and confused as usual. The majority interpret the 5 mhz nov as permitting xband acty and using the frequencies in the normal established amateur way, plus working any military stns that would call on the permitted frequencies, and experiment with propagation to compare 5, 7 and 3.5 mhz. A minority disagree with the above criteria and some go as far as saying that it is illegal and contravenes the wireless telegraphy act to communicate with a non NOV holder on another band, ie a EU station listening and reporting on another amateur band and even listening to radio amateurs on the 5 mhz band is prohibited. I expect this means any reports from anyone via xband, email or mail could be a crime. The rules for this new band seem very tricky and need serious consideration before one begins to dabble. I wonder if this applies to 73 and 136 khz, are we permitted to work non NOV holders xband and receive reports, and how about the 4 metre band. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > 73 > John Rabson G3PAI > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18351 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 12:59:45 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 12:59:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 131 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Sep 2002 14:04:02 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:04:02 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sjqj-0002QI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:59:05 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sjqi-0002Q8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:59:04 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.73]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921125903.GEOX9450.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:59:03 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c2615d$1adf74a0$49e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> <006301c260a7$2c895d80$b030fd3e@default> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:14:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: W & G Level Meters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey Gardner" To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: LF: W & G Level Meters > > I've just got back from the Leicester Rally/Exhibition at Donington Park. > > One dealer had the following W &G test gear on his stall. > > > SPM12 200Hz - 12MHz? > PS12 > SPM19 200Hz - 26MHz > PSS19 > PS19 > SPM31 200Hz - 620kHz > PS30 > > He was selling on behalf of someone and was asking £200 for each piece of > equipment. > I told him that I thought that this was too high but he didn't have the > authority to bargain. > > If anyone wants to talk to the guy when he gets back from Donington he can > be contacted on 0161 718 7611. > > I also saw an SPM-3 for £40 and the SPM-3's companion tracking generator > PS-3? for £20 > > Tracey Some dealers that specialize in test equipment are asking up to £500 for these SPM devices. If you need the equipment then the above prices are about right, if you are not sure and just want to play then its expensive. Any of the above items and Siemens pegelmessers that I have seen at rallies fetch between £100 - £200 in fact you do not often see them. Test equipment generally seems expensive although there is the odd bargain about if you are lucky. Like you might get one for a fiver!!!!!!!!!!! 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8928 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 12:59:41 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 12:59:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 121 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Sep 2002 14:04:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 14:04:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sjqk-0002QW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:59:06 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sjqk-0002QM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:59:06 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.233.73]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921125905.GEPI9450.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:59:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c2615d$1bdb39c0$49e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c25f67$f9cc9640$5e4a063e@main> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:52:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: W & G SPM-12 , PS-12 etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: LF: W & G SPM-12 , PS-12 etc > Hi all, I now have a set of manuals for the above units (Originals from > Cooke Int.) and I would not have believed the tracking of the PS-12 was as > simple as connecting a patch between the two marked BNCs on the back panels. > Magic !! > > Now, does anyone use the WZ-6 (WobbelZender ??) and if so what exactly does > it do? I am presuming it must provide a swept signal for the PS12 to lock > to, and time constant switching, depending on sweep speed and retrace etc.. > It seems unlikely I shall find one of these, but I might have a go a > building something to work over a limited range. I already have the Return > Loss Attachment (RFZ-12) so I am well on the way to an LF Scalar Network > Analyser set up. > > The PS-12 can be 'soft' keyed through one of the DIN conectors so it would > act as an LF transceiver !! Its a "little bit" bigger than a '706 though !! > you need plenty of room in the shack for that combo. > > Cheers de Alan G3nyk > alan.melia@btinternet.com Hi Alan and all These pegelmessers make a nice LF rx and if you have all the pieces a TX as well, transceiver etc. If you have the SPM-12 cct could you have a look at the phase locked loop cct. Mine has stopped locking although working on the VFO. It is still very stable if left on continuously. I have the Siemens D2155 and W3155 tracking osc also useful as a transceiver, and great for LF work. Maybe you could let us know how it compares with the normal LF receivers in current use. I find both of mine much more sensitive and the selectivity is excellent. de Mal/G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11684 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:43:49 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:43:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 24790 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:43:58 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:43:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17shjk-0002Fu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:43:44 +0100 Received: from [209.225.8.13] (helo=dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17shjj-0002Fk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:43:44 +0100 Received: from [66.189.48.230] (HELO johncellarnew) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 7608123 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:43:13 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c2617d$35589800$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01c24cb9$a8aa77c0$436152d5@it> <009101c25f9b$e08298e0$efe136d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:43:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: ZL6QH beacon test 21 September Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: *** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Nothing seen here in Massachusetts. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14613 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:41:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:41:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21613 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:40:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:40:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17shgi-0002Ck-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:40:36 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17shgi-0002BM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:40:36 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA3d8c4bf25e84 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:37:38 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:18:53 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,UPPERCASE_25_50,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. If sombody know E-mail of OH1TN please send it to Vlad. It seems OH1TN is nearlest STN to Vlad (exept RU6LA). 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16299 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:21:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:21:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1482 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:21:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:21:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17shNM-00023e-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:20:36 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17shNL-00023U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:20:35 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA3d8c47c65cc4 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:19:50 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:01:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. INFO from Vlad. Because 135.5 is common CW FREQ today he will transmit on 137.71 kHz. As Ed get Vlad's sigs on 135.51 when nominal FREQ was 135.5 today Vlad will set nominal 137.7 wich correspond to 137.71 kHz real frequency. Of cose some error can be... Now Vlad is ready for 2-way QRSS QSO. For SKED pse contact with him via E-mail 6503561@sms.beemail.ru (short MSG because it is the celular phone SMS, not more then 160 simbols in one MSG) or by the phone +79036503561 Also it is posible to ask him change FREQ or someone else by this E-mail or phone. Hope condition will be good and QSO became posible. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16211 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 08:05:54 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 08:05:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 26741 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 08:05:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 08:05:38 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sfGI-0001rm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:05:10 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.46] (helo=mta6-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sfGI-0001rc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:05:10 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.212]) by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921080509.YUP9450.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:05:09 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c26134$0afad6c0$d4e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:58:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM > > Hi, Group. > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > > > deacreased (antenna current about 1.5 Amp). This night Vlad will continue > > beaconing on 136.51 kHz. > > Also it is posible computer will be carried today. So it is > good oportunity for 2-way QSO! Unfortunely next weekend (28 Sept) Vlad > seems will can not operate... > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb I have been looking for Vlad for some time on the frequencies specified and so far have heard or seen nothing. The QRN has been very bad in recent weeks and my loop is no better than the vertical. Big thunder storms around Europe and the Atlantic, getting it from all directions. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4648 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 07:50:54 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 07:50:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3227 invoked by uid 10001); 21 Sep 2002 08:54:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 08:54:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sf1V-0001o4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:49:53 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.47] (helo=mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sf1V-0001nu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:49:53 +0100 Received: from virgin.net ([81.98.79.86]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020921074953.JXOR17905.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@virgin.net> for ; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:49:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3D8C2461.60580526@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:48:49 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> <006301c260a7$2c895d80$b030fd3e@default> Subject: Re: LF: W & G Level Meters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I spoke to the guy right at the end of Friday, and the prices were definately on the way down. I don't think that this is his normal business. He had this pile of kit, and he though that if he took it to Leicester it would sell like hot cakes. I guess he does not understand price elasticity. He had offloaded some better kit to the big dealers at the beginning of the day, and his stall was piled high with what the others did not want. Prices were constantly being marked down, and were definately negotiable, just not as negotiable as I was prepared to pay! If you are there, it is certainly worth popping by in the last hour of the show today. Anyone know what the street prices for the W&G level meters is? Stewart G3YSX Tracey Gardner wrote: > > I've just got back from the Leicester Rally/Exhibition at Donington Park. > > One dealer had the following W &G test gear on his stall. > > SPM12 200Hz - 12MHz? > PS12 > SPM19 200Hz - 26MHz > PSS19 > PS19 > SPM31 200Hz - 620kHz > PS30 > > He was selling on behalf of someone and was asking £200 for each piece of > equipment. > I told him that I thought that this was too high but he didn't have the > authority to bargain. > > If anyone wants to talk to the guy when he gets back from Donington he can > be contacted on 0161 718 7611. > > I also saw an SPM-3 for £40 and the SPM-3's companion tracking generator > PS-3? for £20 > > Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13820 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 21:31:14 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 21:31:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 28207 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 21:31:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 21:31:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sVLS-00013v-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:29:50 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sVLS-00013l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:29:50 +0100 Received: from host213-122-165-192.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.165.192] helo=main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17sVLR-0000o8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:29:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c260ec$9cba5240$c0a57ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:39:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Beacon from RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, I have a line at 136.51 on a Spectran waterfall (0559z 20/9/02), using very heavy integration (16) and resolution of 0.37Hz.. The bad news is that there are two NELS Loran sidebands within 1Hz of that frequency. There is no sign of any frequency deviation on the screen over a period of 160minutes.....I would expect Vlad's TX to drift very slightly against the Loran, which I hoped to identify the signal with before closing down the resolution. I would also expect Vlad's signal to be considerably stronger at 1600 kms that the Loran line, using this technique. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25455 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 17:15:07 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 17:15:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Sep 2002 18:19:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 18:19:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sRKh-0000fO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:12:47 +0100 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sRKh-0000fE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:12:47 +0100 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g8KHCGX12933 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:12:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:12:16 +0200 Message-ID: <200209201712.g8KHCGX12933@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Longwave Activity Day Sept. 21/ 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,PORN_4version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Friday, 20th of September 2002 Dear Lowfers, TGIF! Tomorrow we start with our activity day, inspite of some rain today. Please be active on Saturday afternoon and on Sunday. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 10.09.02 22:37:19: > Dear Lowfers, > > over the weekend 21./ 22. September 2002 our club chapter "Hohenstaufen" DOK P41 will have an activity Day, from our district Wuerttremberg, on 136 kHz +/- qrm. > > Mode A1A, aural cw. We will use our club-call DK 0 UH and Operators calls. > > Locator JN48TM (Westerheim, South Germany, nr. Sturrgart). > > All LOWFER-Operators are kindly asked to be active on this weekend between Saturday afternoon and and Sunday afternoon. > > Frequency: 136.5 kHz > confirmaton traffic: 7.022 MHz, A1A, QSU > Requests please under E-Mail: HaffaHA@t-online.de or HaffaHA@web.de > > 73 de > DK 8 ND > Hans-Albrecht Haffa > Chairman OV P41 > ______________________________________________________________________________ WEB.DE MyPage - Ultimatives Kommunikationstool! Ihre Message sofort online! Domain aenderbar! http://www.das.ist.aber.ne.lustige.sache.ms/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8354 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 13:13:17 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 13:13:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3806 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Sep 2002 14:17:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 14:17:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sNZM-0000Ff-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:11:40 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.41] (helo=mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sNZM-0000FV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:11:40 +0100 Received: from default ([62.253.48.176]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020920131139.ZCBB292.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@default> for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:11:39 +0100 Message-ID: <006301c260a7$2c895d80$b030fd3e@default> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:00:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: W & G Level Meters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I've just got back from the Leicester Rally/Exhibition at Donington Park. One dealer had the following W &G test gear on his stall. SPM12 200Hz - 12MHz? PS12 SPM19 200Hz - 26MHz PSS19 PS19 SPM31 200Hz - 620kHz PS30 He was selling on behalf of someone and was asking £200 for each piece of equipment. I told him that I thought that this was too high but he didn't have the authority to bargain. If anyone wants to talk to the guy when he gets back from Donington he can be contacted on 0161 718 7611. I also saw an SPM-3 for £40 and the SPM-3's companion tracking generator PS-3? for £20 Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27735 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 11:37:02 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 11:37:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 27929 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 11:36:48 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 11:36:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sM4J-00004u-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:35:31 +0100 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sM4H-0008WQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:35:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 22907 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 15:22:53 +0400 Received: from ed.dx (10.0.1.11) by gw.dx with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 15:22:53 +0400 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:34:06 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <76191426181.20020920153406@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM 136.51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello RSGB-LF-Group! In the morning I sent the msg in Group.. but... Probably because of the ARGO's file(50kB), attached by me, it has not got in dispatch. I shall repeat my msg, and a file I shall send to Dave G3YXM it him LF news. ---- Today listened Vlad RX3QFM. Signal same weak as well as week back. But also mine LF-setup "weak" in Taganrog : TS-850 (with ATT -12dB and without any pre-selector) Ant - InVee on 160m @30m (without any tune for 136) I believe, what Vlad has any problems with TX-ANT or not(???) I have chosen specially auto-captured file with a local QRM. Vlad transmited CQ RX3QFM, but morning him it was not visible - I have big local(?) QRM I assume to listen to him on a Machta (KN97LN) tomorrow and at the same time ZL6QH-test. Now at us with ZL6QH 3 hours of joint dark time. I shall try to make 1 km BV on ZL and to use amplified LF RX setup Successes by all in new 02-03 LF-season!! 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru PS About 19:20z has seen on ~137,7 endings any CQ(or test ??) in QRSS3. The signal was very good even in a vertical mode ARGO! Who it was? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5493 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 09:37:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 09:37:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6815 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 09:37:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 09:37:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sKCj-0008Hr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:36:05 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sKCi-0008HO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:36:05 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA3d8aeb3e2440 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:32:46 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:14:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > deacreased (antenna current about 1.5 Amp). This night Vlad will continue > beaconing on 136.51 kHz. Also it is posible computer will be carried today. So it is good oportunity for 2-way QSO! Unfortunely next weekend (28 Sept) Vlad seems will can not operate... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7737 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 08:15:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 08:15:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9950 invoked by uid 10001); 20 Sep 2002 09:19:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 09:19:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sIsD-00082e-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:10:49 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sIsC-00082M-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:10:48 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA3d8ad7cd16c5 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:09:49 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:51:08 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" In-reply-to: <003f01c26007$eaef8b00$4a43063e@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. Last night Ed RU6LA sucsesully copy Vlad's QRSS (QRB ABT 500 km). Ed mesured FREQ. It was 136.51 kHz. Worth to note ysterday Ed recieve Vlad from noisy home location, not from Machta. Also Vlad's PWR was litle deacreased (antenna current about 1.5 Amp). This night Vlad will continue beaconing on 136.51 kHz. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7186 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:28:39 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:28:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 27954 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:28:43 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:28:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sGKs-0007kz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:28:14 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sGKs-0007kp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:28:14 +0100 Received: from host213-122-206-239.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.206.239] helo=dave) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17sGKr-0005Kt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:28:13 +0100 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:30:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3D8AC07A.10239.23C29@localhost> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: LF: 5MHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Some on this reflector and on air mentioned they would be interested in the 5W VXO rig I have been using on the 5MHz band. You will find this and some information on the band at http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk/fivemegs/fivemegs.htm My 136 pages remain on my site, which new subscribers may find useful if you have not seen them. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20694 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:11:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:11:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17250 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:11:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:11:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sG3x-0007i0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:10:45 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sG3w-0007hq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:10:45 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3d8aad5a6cd4 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:08:42 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:50:01 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" In-reply-to: <003f01c26007$eaef8b00$4a43063e@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Alex re Vlad RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Alan and Group. On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Alex thanks for the gen about the instability....... that would wipe him > out on QRSS completely. I think that it would be better to stay with 136.100 > if possible if he starts jumping around we will never find him. Vlad has wrote me yesterday there were strong carrier on 136.1 so he change a frequency. Vlad can use any frequency. What FREQ is better? > I wonder if you have a problem (mistype) on the address for direct mailing > to the group?? I get adress from my adressbook. Visualy adress is OK. But may be there are any wrong "hidden simbols"... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22405 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:03:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:03:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11231 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:03:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:03:45 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17sFwC-0007f1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:02:44 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17sFwB-0007er-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:02:43 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA3d8aaa9a6b09 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:56:58 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:38:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <001701c24cc5$28f972e0$5d6152d5@it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Giulio and Group. On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Giulio Scaroni wrote: > Hi Alex and all, > soon i'll measure exactly the antenna current, but one things that appear > in this discussion, is that the antenna work very well, it is only a single > wire 60 meters long about 1 meters far at the top of the tower, and about > 25 meters far at the base. > I have read that wire near a tower has many losses, but this seems to > confirm the opposite, also the tower that i use in winter in Mantova have > the same wire antenna, little bit longer, and with only 100 W my signal is > perfectly audible in UK... > So, may be that the big tower act like a big additional vertical capacitance > to increase signal output?? I think in such a configuration tower act as radiated part of antenna also. It makes not simple to estimate EPR in this case "by a pencil". But if use someone version of NEC program (EZNEC, ELNEC, MMANA, MININEC e t.c.) it is posible. But antenna currend is need if use program also. Such a program can not correctly estimate loss resistance. So its "direct" using is imposible on LF. But if set souce off current type with measured (experimental) current then EPR, imagine part of input impedance (ractance) and field strenght should be aproximatly correct, only TX power and real part or input impedance will be incorrect. But TX power, is known with out any calculation! Such a combination of experiment and modeling sould give reasonable estimation of EPR in such a complex condition. Of cose tower should be incloud in NEC model also. But any way antenna current is need... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8637 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 21:03:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 21:03:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26646 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 21:03:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 21:03:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17s8RA-0006yo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:02:12 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s8RA-0006ye-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:02:12 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia29.phoenix.it [213.82.97.93]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8JL2AE01661 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:02:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c24cc5$28f972e0$5d6152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 07:53:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alex and all, soon i'll measure exactly the antenna current, but one things that appear in this discussion, is that the antenna work very well, it is only a single wire 60 meters long about 1 meters far at the top of the tower, and about 25 meters far at the base. I have read that wire near a tower has many losses, but this seems to confirm the opposite, also the tower that i use in winter in Mantova have the same wire antenna, little bit longer, and with only 100 W my signal is perfectly audible in UK... So, may be that the big tower act like a big additional vertical capacitance to increase signal output?? I don't know, but shure the sistem work well!! I'm listening at 136.100 now (21 Z) and i see a very weak signal/line at the frequency, may will be Vlad?? 73 de Giulio IK2DED. > Hi, David and Group. > Your conclusion may be right. But I say "if antenna curent is 1 A..." and > so on. Large resistance should decrease antenna curent and ERP should be > much lower. This is why one need measure antenna curent to estimate ERP. > Output TX power is not adeqate info. > > Also, it is worth to take into consideration Giulio's relatively high > antenna (60 m!!!) Whithout top load this yeld 30 meters of effective > height. If there is very large top load then ERP should be 4 times grater! > If antenna height is 10 m (for example) then ERP is 9 times lower... > > ERP is mainly determed by antenna current and efffective height. If this > is known then it is very simple to estimate radiated power. Certanly this > is very aproximative estimation. But something is better then nothing :-) > > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25060 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 18:35:36 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 18:35:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 4058 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Sep 2002 19:39:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 19:39:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17s68Y-0006jx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:34:50 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.14] (helo=smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s68Y-0006jn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:34:50 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-118.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.118] helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17s68X-0005yJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:34:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c2600d$247cdf80$76c428c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c25ef4$877024e0$636868d5@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:47:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Capacity hat puzzle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Mike > > Whilst the mast was down I modified the capacity hat. There are three 17m > long parallel wires, about 0.5 metres apart (total span 1m). The wires are > joined at both ends. (See http://www.lf.thersgb.net/antenna.htm for a > picture). > > I changed this so that the wires were only joined at the far end. Now the > vertical wire and the elevated coil are connected to the centre wire only. > The RF travels along this centre wire to the end, then back using the outer > two wires in parallel.. > > I expected this to increase the inductance of the antenna and so lower its > resonant frequency. The actual effect was the opposite - the frequency > increased and I had to add inductance at the base of the vertical. > I can't offer an explanation but modelled the two antenna configurations on EZNEC3. Making some assumptions regarding ground and the two coils the original configuration resonated at 336.7kHz. The new one resonated at 138kHz. There was also a 0.15dB loss with the latest configuration. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21469 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 18:13:10 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 18:13:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 18273 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Sep 2002 19:17:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 19:17:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17s5mn-0006fF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:12:21 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s5mn-0006f5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:12:21 +0100 Received: from host62-6-67-74.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.67.74] helo=main) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17s5mm-0001hR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:12:20 +0100 Message-ID: <003f01c26007$eaef8b00$4a43063e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:10:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Alex re Vlad RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alex thanks for the gen about the instability....... that would wipe him out on QRSS completely. I think that it would be better to stay with 136.100 if possible if he starts jumping around we will never find him. Also 136.5 is a popular crystal control channel and there may be weak stations who cannot hear him, operating on top of him. 135.100 is reasonably clear and we have all learned the Loran 'signature' by now. 135.100 might be a good frequency for some audible morse qsos into mid Germany. We do need good warning where to look for DX, until we are sure he can be easily heard/seen. I wonder if you have a problem (mistype) on the address for direct mailing to the group?? If the 'REPLY' always works it maybe because that collects the address from incomming message. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20966 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 15:22:12 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 15:22:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9250 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Sep 2002 16:26:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 16:26:09 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17s36b-0006Ka-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:20:37 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s36a-0006KQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:20:36 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA3d89eb1a1010 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:19:54 +0700 (OSS) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:01:13 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > I wonder why my message on RX3QFM does not go to a Group? Two times I try > to send and there is no echo for a long time... But another MSG go > sucsesfully. I'll try ones more... I have notice interesting thing. If I replay then message goes sucsesfully. But if I compose new massage then it does not go... So I include the message in this replay but it worth to note just I get a msg from Vlad, today he will transmit on 136.5 kHz: Hi, Group. Few minutes ago I had QSO with Vlad on 20 meters. Reason of "notseeing" seems is obvious! When Vlad increase PWR the suplaing voltage became unstable. This case xtal generator drift about 500 Hz! Certanly nobody can see signal... Now all is repaired. Additional stabilisater is added and all seems OK. Vlad will transmit QRSS3 on 136,1 kHz from 20-00 UTC to 04-00 UTC every night. Hope now Vlad will be seeing... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12731 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 14:56:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 14:56:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4448 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 14:56:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 14:56:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17s2iL-0006Eh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:55:33 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s2iL-0006EW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:55:33 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu01.dialup1.infomsk.ru [212.164.45.193]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA3d89e46d0c3a for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:51:25 +0700 (OSS) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:32:44 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020919162016.02900258@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Rik and Group. On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Antenna current = 1.8A > Theory : radiated power = 0.06*1.8^2 = 194mW EMRP (= 583mW EIRP or 355mW ERP) > Reality : about 35mW ERP (based on field strength measurement) > Difference : -10dB ! > Reason : antenna surrounded by many trees -10 dB? Hmmmm... To decrease ERP by 10 dB total curent in trees should be about 67 per cent of antenna current. May be it is some another reason? 2 or 3 dB is not surprise, but 10 dB.... I wonder why my message on RX3QFM does not go to a Group? Two times I try to send and there is no echo for a long time... But another MSG go sucsesfully. I'll try ones more... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16107 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 14:26:00 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 14:26:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 27976 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Sep 2002 15:30:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 15:30:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17s2EE-00068X-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:24:26 +0100 Received: from [134.58.10.50] (helo=mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s2ED-000681-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:24:25 +0100 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be ([10.33.165.177]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g8JENtiY180658 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:23:55 +0200 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020919162016.02900258@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:28:49 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: References: <17a.ed80937.2abae90c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group >ERP is mainly determed by antenna current and efffective height. If this >is known then it is very simple to estimate radiated power. Certanly this >is very aproximative estimation. But something is better then nothing :-) Hi Alex, be careful with that. I speak from my own experience : Antenna = 14m heigh inverted-L with elevated loading coil and 4 x 23m topload wire, calculated and simulated Rrad = +/- 0.06 Ohm Antenna current = 1.8A Theory : radiated power = 0.06*1.8^2 = 194mW EMRP (= 583mW EIRP or 355mW ERP) Reality : about 35mW ERP (based on field strength measurement) Difference : -10dB ! Reason : antenna surrounded by many trees Maybe most other hams have more luck (less trees), but take into account that real ERP is 2 to 6dB below the calculated ERP. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2334 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 13:34:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 13:34:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10998 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 13:33:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 13:33:51 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17s1OU-0005zk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:30:58 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17s1OQ-0005zY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:30:55 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA3d89d10b0187 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:28:43 +0700 (OSS) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:10:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <17a.ed80937.2abae90c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, David and Group. On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > My conclusion: The original estimate is too high and my estimate is probably > too low and the only sure way is to spend some time measuring. Your conclusion may be right. But I say "if antenna curent is 1 A..." and so on. Large resistance should decrease antenna curent and ERP should be much lower. This is why one need measure antenna curent to estimate ERP. Output TX power is not adeqate info. Also, it is worth to take into consideration Giulio's relatively high antenna (60 m!!!) Whithout top load this yeld 30 meters of effective height. If there is very large top load then ERP should be 4 times grater! If antenna height is 10 m (for example) then ERP is 9 times lower... ERP is mainly determed by antenna current and efffective height. If this is known then it is very simple to estimate radiated power. Certanly this is very aproximative estimation. But something is better then nothing :-) 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4334 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 08:48:50 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 08:48:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10118 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 08:48:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 08:48:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rwyN-0005XP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:47:43 +0100 Received: from [152.163.225.104] (helo=imo-r08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rwyN-0005XF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:47:43 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.17a.ed80937 (657) for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <17a.ed80937.2abae90c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:47:08 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 9/19/02 6:57:02 AM GMT Daylight Time, fitec@omskcity.com writes:


For ERP calculation antenna curent is needed. I think Your curent is about
1 A (if loss resistanse is 40 Ohm). And if there is no top load in this
case radiated power is about 0.3 W.



Hmmmm,    "poor earth on a rocky mountain"
I think there maybe errors in the estimation of earth resistance. To give 3 measured examples:
In good old London clay with 5 x 1.5m copper rods at the property boundaries all interconnected by 'radials' just under the surface I manage 150 Ohms at best going to 190 on the odd wet day.
My radio club has a similar installation but with a much larger ground area, we have also made a connection to the electricity board earth at an official grounding rod.
It measures at a total of 85 Ohms
The best I've ever measured was between 12 and 15 ohms when using a wire from the top of an apartment block when the earth was connected to 22mm copper pipes in the central heating system - probably a kilometre or two of copper pipe  which extended underground to other buildings.
From the above estimate of the beacon; if 40W RF = 300mW ERP then 133W = 1W ERP or a total antenna system efficiency of  -21.23dB. (which is most unlikely due to the rock)

Reading the odd report of other portable operations from rocky sites, an estimate of 200 Ohms may be closer to reality. In that case a quick scribble shows that a 2.94 degree high antenna (18m effective heght) will have a Rrad of  0.025 Ohms and that for 40W of RF the output will be around 5mW ERP and the efficiency will be -39dB.

My conclusion:  The original estimate is too high and my estimate is probably too low and the only sure way is to spend some time measuring.

Computer off, scope on, cornflakes finished and off to work.

73

David  G0MRF   www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2548 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:57:34 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:57:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 25814 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:57:43 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:57:43 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ruJa-0005BY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:57:26 +0100 Received: from [195.110.100.4] (helo=mail.dada.it) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ruJa-0005Ar-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:57:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 11218 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cestag) (195.110.102.138) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:56:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c25fa1$2acf5780$8a666ec3@cestag> From: "cesare tagliabue" To: "LF group" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:54:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ik2ded/beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Giulio and all IK2DED/B is well received here in Florence, 214 Km away from its location, clearly audible when the band is quiet also when transmitting with the lowest power , only 400 mW applied to the antenna! Since the losses of my antenna are around 40 dB and the signal at my receiver results -98 dBm, the losses of the TX antenna may be estimated around 20 dB, and the ERP in the range of 4 mW. All that if, as I suppose, the signal is coming as surface wave only. 73 to all, Cesare Cesare Tagliabue I 5 TGC WW-Loc JN53PS e-mail: cestag@dada.it url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11465 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:56:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:56:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10906 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Sep 2002 07:00:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 07:00:58 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ruIV-0005AU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:56:19 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ruIU-0005AK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:56:18 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3d8965be2777 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:50:54 +0700 (OSS) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:32:11 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <003201c24cb7$6c360180$436152d5@it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Giulio and Group On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Giulio Scaroni wrote: > I have made some comparisasion tests on my RX antennas at the beacon lower >power level, the winner is again the AMRAD E field antenna, with many db >of better S/N then my ferrite antenna, so this week end i'll try to do a >separate ground connection for the antenna, for see if there will be some >improvement in S/N. Some years ago I had estimate sensetivity of ferrite antenna theoreticaly. I found it is not so good. For good sensetivity one should use ferrite rod about 5 or 10 cantimiters in diameter (and about 1 meter long)! Simple loop about 1 - 2 meter in diameter is much better! For E-field antenna it can be good to use few radials, not ground. And use ferrite transformer to avoid noise transfer from external surface of coax to antenna. Some my experiments show this. > About Vlad is good results that him listen my beacon, i think that the my >ERP is not so high, only 40 W with 60 meters quasi vertical 2 mm CU >wire,no long radials, and poor earth location on a rocky mountain at 1000 >meters on sea level, so if him listem me in aural CW, in QRSS may listen all >Europe, from CT to LY, good news. > May someone calculate the beacon ERP??? For ERP calculation antenna curent is needed. I think Your curent is about 1 A (if loss resistanse is 40 Ohm). And if there is no top load in this case radiated power is about 0.3 W. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23948 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:18:16 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:18:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 22664 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Sep 2002 06:22:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 06:22:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rtgu-00056c-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:17:28 +0100 Received: from [210.86.15.144] (helo=mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rtgs-00056S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:17:26 +0100 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20020919051653.SAM15347.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:16:53 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.37.40]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020919051652.OBBI1147.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:16:52 +1200 Message-ID: <009101c25f9b$e08298e0$efe136d2@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01c24cb9$a8aa77c0$436152d5@it> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:16:37 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH beacon test 21 September Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ZL6QH 137.7888 kHz BEACON TEST ON 21 SEPTEMBER ZL6QH will be carrying out beacon tests on 21 September, starting before local sunset and going all night, till after local sunrise. Hours of local darkness for ZL6QH are from nominally 0610 UTC (sunset) to 1813 UTC (sunrise). Dual frequency keying will be used, with 0.4 Hz frequency shift. The coding is for an ID character of Q, sent as hi, hi, lo, hi, key up. This code cycle is sent repeatedly. hi = 137.7890 kHz lo = 137.7886 kHz Each element is 120 seconds (dot length) so sending a Q takes 10 minutes. Each Q will start on the hour, and also keep close to 10 minute cycles, which could be useful for analysis of difficult reception situations during a short lift in propagation. Listening out with a receiver set to 137.7888 kHz centre frequency and using Argo software to process demodulated audio fed to a PC sound card is the recommended way to try for DX reception. As Argo displays only 2.6 Hz bandwidth for 120 second dot lengths, careful setting of receiver and sound card frequency is needed to arrange for 137.7888 kHz to be near the centre of the displayed output. Reception reports can be emailed to vernall@xtra.co.nz or posted to the reflector. Good luck to all listeners. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 343 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 23:08:34 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 23:08:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20405 invoked by uid 10001); 19 Sep 2002 00:12:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 00:12:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rnux-0004e3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:07:35 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rnuw-0004dt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:07:35 +0100 Received: from host62-6-74-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.6.74.94] helo=main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17rnuq-000194-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:07:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c25f67$f9cc9640$5e4a063e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:45:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: W & G SPM-12 , PS-12 etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, I now have a set of manuals for the above units (Originals from Cooke Int.) and I would not have believed the tracking of the PS-12 was as simple as connecting a patch between the two marked BNCs on the back panels. Magic !! Now, does anyone use the WZ-6 (WobbelZender ??) and if so what exactly does it do? I am presuming it must provide a swept signal for the PS12 to lock to, and time constant switching, depending on sweep speed and retrace etc.. It seems unlikely I shall find one of these, but I might have a go a building something to work over a limited range. I already have the Return Loss Attachment (RFZ-12) so I am well on the way to an LF Scalar Network Analyser set up. The PS-12 can be 'soft' keyed through one of the DIN conectors so it would act as an LF transceiver !! Its a "little bit" bigger than a '706 though !! you need plenty of room in the shack for that combo. Cheers de Alan G3nyk alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21007 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 21:03:12 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 21:03:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 24886 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Sep 2002 22:07:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 22:07:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rlyA-0004SD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:02:46 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rlyA-0004S3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:02:46 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia06.phoenix.it [213.82.97.70]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8IL2hJ09597 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:02:44 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01c24cb9$a8aa77c0$436152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:32:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alex, If can i help Vlad, i may send him a two little fixed frequency source for qrss at 136, 670 KHZ more or less some hertz, and one at 136, 500 KHZ for aural CW. This source are made with two xtal at high frequency divided more than 50 times, with a programmable divider Philips, and all two are useful for drive the transmitter and keying CW, while using a transverter, may be a problem to have a stable frequency. I have here many divider and xtal, so really for me will be a pleasure!! 73 Giulio Scaroni Ik2DED. Vlad has > built the transverter for his FT840, not separate TX. So when he is > transmiting he can not to recieve...:-( I'll try to contact him and > discurst any posibility of FREQ measurement. May be RU6LA will see him and > mesure the FREQ. But now Ed is in city and also has not see Vlad > (may be because of very strong industrial QRM at his home location). A > have send msg to Ed and ask him to scan the band for Vlad's sigs. It seems > to me FREQ error is the only posible reason... What else can be?... > > Any way Vlad continue transmit every night. > > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex > http://www..qsl.net/ra9mb > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 212 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 20:47:53 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 20:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14351 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Sep 2002 21:51:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 21:51:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rlih-0004Od-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:46:47 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rlih-0004OT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:46:47 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia03.phoenix.it [213.82.97.67]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8IKkjW31289 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:46:45 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c24cb7$6c360180$436152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 06:15:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: IK2DED beacon and E field probe. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=SUPERLONG_LINE,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi to all,
yesterday i have retuned the beacon at exatly 135,710 KHZ, with a new xtal divided 81 times, so i think now it will be very stable!
I have made some comparisasion tests on my RX antennas at the beacon lower power level, the winner is again the AMRAD E field antenna, with many db of better S/N then my ferrite antenna, so this week end i'll try to do a separate ground connection for the antenna, for see if there will be some improvement in S/N.
About Vlad is good results that him listen my beacon, i think that the my ERP is not so high, only 40 W with 60 meters quasi vertical 2 mm CU wire, no long radials, and poor earth location on a rocky mountain at 1000 meters on sea level, so if him listem me in aural CW, in QRSS may listen all Europe, from CT to LY, good news.
May someone calculate the beacon ERP???
 
73 to all de Giulio Scaroni IK2DED.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12983 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 15:01:51 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 15:01:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 276 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Sep 2002 16:06:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 16:06:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rgJx-0003vh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:00:53 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rgJw-0003vO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:00:53 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA3d8894c831fa for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:59:20 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:40:38 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020918161121.03006eb8@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Rik and Group. On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Alex, > > Any chance that Vlad can determine his frequency relative to the DCF39 > frequency ? > Should be easy using a PC with soundcard and Argo software. Unfortunely Vlad has no computer in his willage house (and in city location he has no antenna). May be computer will be presend in nearlest weekend. But it should not help to measure the frequency. Vlad has built the transverter for his FT840, not separate TX. So when he is transmiting he can not to recieve...:-( I'll try to contact him and discurst any posibility of FREQ measurement. May be RU6LA will see him and mesure the FREQ. But now Ed is in city and also has not see Vlad (may be because of very strong industrial QRM at his home location). A have send msg to Ed and ask him to scan the band for Vlad's sigs. It seems to me FREQ error is the only posible reason... What else can be?... Any way Vlad continue transmit every night. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www..qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28762 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:11:01 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:11:01 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 15184 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:11:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:11:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rfXF-0003l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:10:33 +0100 Received: from [134.58.10.50] (helo=mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rfXE-0003ku-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:10:32 +0100 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be ([10.33.165.177]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g8IEA2HB207258 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:10:02 +0200 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020918161121.03006eb8@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:14:55 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: References: <169.13ec14d5.2ab9a03f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Alex, Any chance that Vlad can determine his frequency relative to the DCF39 frequency ? Should be easy using a PC with soundcard and Argo software. 73, Rik ON7YD At 21:30 18/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, Group. > >On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > > > It may begin to explain why his signal has been elusive so far. > > > >The only reason why nobody see Vlad is someone wrong with frequency! >May be error by beating frequency??? Unfortunely Vlad has no frequency >counter... >Nothing more I can't imagine! > >73 de RA9MB/Alex >http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5225 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:06:49 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:06:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 11336 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:06:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:06:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rfSz-0003i6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:06:09 +0100 Received: from [134.58.10.50] (helo=mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rfSz-0003hp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:06:09 +0100 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be ([10.33.165.177]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g8IE5cHB182334 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:05:38 +0200 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020918160025.02ffc958@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:10:30 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" In-reply-to: References: <169.13ec14d5.2ab9a03f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Alex, Experiences have shown that antennas with a long horizontal section can produce strong signals on LF (ie. OH1TN and some DL stations), so Vlad has probably a good antenna. Regarding the determination of ERP (based on antenna current and estimated Rrad) one has to take into account that the real ERP in most cases is 2 to 6dB below the calculated ERP for low antennas, probably caused by local losses (trees, buildings etc...). In Vlad's case the theoretical Rrad is about 0.07 Ohm, so with 2.75A it comes to about 0.53W EMRP (calculated). Real EMRP is most likely in the range of 150 to 300mW, not bad at all - this should make him one of the stronger stations on the band it he were not so far away from the rest of us. But even at this distance he should have a good CW signal if QRN is low (and condx are good) and a clear QRSS copy at most nights. 73, Rik ON7YD At 21:06 18/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, Group. > >On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > > > Just a thought, but isn't an antenna current of 2.75A a bit low for > 0.5W ERP? > > I recall running 8 Amps to a 300 foot wire with the top at 150 feet > high and > > Jim measured it at 0.5W ERP. Or does Vlad have something really high up? > > >Vlad has Heff ABT 15 m (horizontal part of antenna is 150 m). So radiation >resistanse is: > >Rrad = 1600*(Heff/lambda)^2=0.073 Ohm > >P = I^2*Rrad= 0.56 Watts. > >I do not know why your PWR is not high as follow: > >Rrad = 1600*(45/2200)^2 = 0.67 Ohm > >P = 8*8*0.67 = 43 Watts > >If only one end of wire has H=45m then Heff=22.5 m and P=11 Watts > > >73 de RA9MB/Alex >http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2761 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:53:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:53:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 573 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:51:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:51:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rfDv-0003dW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:50:35 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rfDu-0003dM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:50:35 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA3d88845c288d for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:49:16 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:30:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <169.13ec14d5.2ab9a03f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > It may begin to explain why his signal has been elusive so far. > The only reason why nobody see Vlad is someone wrong with frequency! May be error by beating frequency??? Unfortunely Vlad has no frequency counter... Nothing more I can't imagine! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26797 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:31:39 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:31:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12018 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:31:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:31:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17reuc-0003Z4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:30:38 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17reuc-0003Yl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:30:38 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA3d887eb025a1 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:25:04 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:06:20 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <169.13ec14d5.2ab9a03f@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > Just a thought, but isn't an antenna current of 2.75A a bit low for 0.5W ERP? > I recall running 8 Amps to a 300 foot wire with the top at 150 feet high and > Jim measured it at 0.5W ERP. Or does Vlad have something really high up? Vlad has Heff ABT 15 m (horizontal part of antenna is 150 m). So radiation resistanse is: Rrad = 1600*(Heff/lambda)^2=0.073 Ohm P = I^2*Rrad= 0.56 Watts. I do not know why your PWR is not high as follow: Rrad = 1600*(45/2200)^2 = 0.67 Ohm P = 8*8*0.67 = 43 Watts If only one end of wire has H=45m then Heff=22.5 m and P=11 Watts 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21481 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:37:52 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 8461 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Sep 2002 13:41:50 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:41:50 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17re4v-0003N1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:37:13 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17re4v-0003Mr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:37:13 +0100 Received: from host213-122-138-149.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.138.149] helo=main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17re4u-0000Pa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:37:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c25f0f$e4c72600$958a7ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:33:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Capacity Hat puzzle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Mike, I would have thought that the elevated inductor would have swamped the aerial inductance. Perhaps the different connection where the currents in the two outer wires are, in part, opposing the current in the inner wire, has reduced the effective capacity of the aerial top to ground. I found with the measurements Finbar did with the spiral aerials that the model suggested that there were two components to the capacity, that from the portion below the coil does not (of course) appear across the coil. I have not tried measuring inverted Ls yet but intend to do a series of measurements latter when my poles are refurbished. I was intending to look at parallel top wires, I will now add the configuration you describe as well. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/spiraltop.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8250 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:28:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:28:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25712 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:28:25 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:28:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rdvp-0003Io-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:27:49 +0100 Received: from [134.58.10.50] (helo=mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rdvp-0003Ie-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:27:49 +0100 Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.ac.be ([10.33.165.177]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g8ICRIHB027916 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:27:18 +0200 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020918141307.02fe93a0@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:32:11 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Capacity hat puzzle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello Mike, During lunchbreak I simulated your antenna (using MMAMA), making some variations on the topload (always with 3 parallel wires). I guessed your elevated inductance as 1mH. Regardless of the topload configuration the radiation resistance is 0.047 Ohm. The reactive part was : for 3 wires joined at the near end (at the elevated coil) = -j3945 Ohm (297pF) for 3 wires joined at the far end = -j3924 Ohm (298pF) for 3 wires joined at both ends = -j3900 Ohm (300pF) for 3 wires joined in a zig-zag configuration = -j3921 Ohm (298.5pF) According to MMAMA the way you join the wires shouldn't make much change (less than 1%), but I do not know how well MMAMA behaves for very short antennas (the figures I get for simple configurations such as a straight vertical or inverted-L seem to be OK). The most efficient way to increase antenna capacity at a limited space seems to be spiral toploading as described by Alan at : http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/spiraltop.htm MMAMA gives a for a 14m high antenna with a 10 by 10m spiral topload (5 turns) and a 1mH elevated coil: radiation resistance = 0.052 Ohm reactance = -j2871 Ohm (408pF) 73, Rik ON7YD At 10:19 18/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: >My antenna failed recently because one of the leads to the elevated loading >coil had broken. To fix it I had to lower one of my 14m masts - a task >requiring several people so I don't do it very often. > >Whilst the mast was down I modified the capacity hat. There are three 17m >long parallel wires, about 0.5 metres apart (total span 1m). The wires are >joined at both ends. (See http://www.lf.thersgb.net/antenna.htm for a >picture). > >I changed this so that the wires were only joined at the far end. Now the >vertical wire and the elevated coil are connected to the centre wire only. >The RF travels along this centre wire to the end, then back using the outer >two wires in parallel.. > >I expected this to increase the inductance of the antenna and so lower its >resonant frequency. The actual effect was the opposite - the frequency >increased and I had to add inductance at the base of the vertical. > >Any thoughts? > >The next time I lower the mast, I will restore the connections. > >Mike, G3XDV >http://www.lf.thersgb.net >==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23908 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:07:25 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:07:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21747 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:07:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:07:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rdZm-0003EF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:05:02 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rdZl-0003E5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:05:01 +0100 Received: from telemetry.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.114]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17rdZf-0001SY-0U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:04:56 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:18:08 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Tom Boucher" In-reply-to: <000e01c25ef4$877024e0$636868d5@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a Subject: Re: LF: Capacity hat puzzle X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Mike I reckon that the capacitance of each wire is now in series instead of in parallel, hence lower capacitance and higher resonant frequency. 73, Tom G3OLB >Whilst the mast was down I modified the capacity hat. There are three 17m >long parallel wires, about 0.5 metres apart (total span 1m). The wires are >joined at both ends. (See http://www.lf.thersgb.net/antenna.htm for a >picture). > >I changed this so that the wires were only joined at the far end. Now the >vertical wire and the elevated coil are connected to the centre wire only. >The RF travels along this centre wire to the end, then back using the outer >two wires in parallel.. > >I expected this to increase the inductance of the antenna and so lower its >resonant frequency. The actual effect was the opposite - the frequency >increased and I had to add inductance at the base of the vertical. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26441 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 10:37:53 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 10:37:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20144 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 10:37:41 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 10:37:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rcCK-00032I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:36:44 +0100 Received: from [205.188.157.39] (helo=imo-d07.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rcCJ-000323-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:36:43 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.f6.2180739b (15900) for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m13.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.129]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v88.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-0918063604; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:36:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:36:24 -0400 From: MarkusVester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <72FB3772.0FA67174.28FF0FBC@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Subject: LF: Re: RX3QFM ERP X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAME,DEAR_SOMEBODY,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,SUPERLONG_LINEversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Alex, David and Group, > Just a thought, but isn't an antenna current of 2.75A a bit low for 0.5W ERP? In my opinion, Vlad's ERP estimation seems not so unreasonable: ERP=0.5W, EMRP=ERP/1.83=0.27W, Rrad=EMRP/I^2=0.036 Ohm, h_eff=lambda*SQR(Rrad/1579Ohm)=10.5m. Of course, effective height is affected by capacitive shunts and near-field shielding effects, but heff=10m could certainly be achieved having a 20m high topload. But still, in spite of trying I haven't seen a trace of Vlad's signal here either. Where is he located? And could you perhaps measure his frequency more accurately relative to DBF39's carrier (138830.03 Hz)? - Besides the heavy QRN, here in Germany the lower part of the band is somewhat affected by DCF transmitter intermodulation, so a frequency above 137 kHz might be clearer for us. 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13248 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 09:25:32 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:25:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14038 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 09:25:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:25:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rb4n-0002mF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:24:53 +0100 Received: from [205.188.157.40] (helo=imo-d08.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rb4n-0002lI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:24:53 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.169.13ec14d5 (4116) for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 05:24:16 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <169.13ec14d5.2ab9a03f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 05:24:15 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 9/18/02 6:08:09 AM GMT Daylight Time, fitec@omskcity.com writes:


New INFO from Vlad. Now ERP is increased to ABT 0.5 Watts (Ia=2.75A). Also
Vlad has recieved IK2DED beacon in CW (audible) this night. Condition
seems bacome better! Vlad recive DCF39 58 dB over noise now.



Just a thought, but isn't an antenna current of 2.75A a bit low for 0.5W ERP?
I recall running 8 Amps to a 300 foot wire with the top at 150 feet high and Jim measured it at 0.5W  ERP.  Or does Vlad have something really high up?

It may begin to explain why his signal has been elusive so far. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 756 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 09:24:02 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 24384 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 09:24:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:24:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rb3j-0002k9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:23:47 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.46] (helo=mta06-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rb3j-0002jz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:23:47 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.104.99]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020918092346.LVYU295.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:23:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c25ef4$877024e0$636868d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:19:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Capacity hat puzzle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group My antenna failed recently because one of the leads to the elevated loading coil had broken. To fix it I had to lower one of my 14m masts - a task requiring several people so I don't do it very often. Whilst the mast was down I modified the capacity hat. There are three 17m long parallel wires, about 0.5 metres apart (total span 1m). The wires are joined at both ends. (See http://www.lf.thersgb.net/antenna.htm for a picture). I changed this so that the wires were only joined at the far end. Now the vertical wire and the elevated coil are connected to the centre wire only. The RF travels along this centre wire to the end, then back using the outer two wires in parallel.. I expected this to increase the inductance of the antenna and so lower its resonant frequency. The actual effect was the opposite - the frequency increased and I had to add inductance at the base of the vertical. Any thoughts? The next time I lower the mast, I will restore the connections. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7607 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 09:22:21 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22536 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 09:22:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:22:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rb1J-0002iE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:21:17 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.112] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rb1J-0002i4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:21:17 +0100 Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.137) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:21:15 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.66] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 648giRJVB0138M37; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:21:01 GMT Message-ID: <3D88456C.6090305@usa.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:20:44 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: PSpice question - success ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=PLINGversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Ashlock,William wrote: >Alberto, > >Good to see you now have a waveform. I'm not too fond of your oscillator >circuit since it depends on the internal capacities and beta of the >transistor to work (and these are highly dependent on supply voltage and >temperatures). > Bill, neither am I... it is not a circuit I intend to use, I just found it in SAMPLE subdir of Electronics Workbench, and just wanted to check its behavior when simulated with both packages. But I had modeled another, more conventional, Colpitts oscillator and it also didn't start.... > Have you looked > are the output at a millisecond, or so, from the start to see if it is still > running? Yes, it is. Once kicked off, it doesn't stop. But when you know the trick... Thanks, 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3917 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 09:15:01 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 09:15:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 179 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Sep 2002 10:19:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 10:19:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rauJ-0002dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:14:03 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.161] (helo=imo-m06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rauJ-0002dp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:14:03 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.1a9.8ad5c85 (4116) for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 05:13:57 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <1a9.8ad5c85.2ab99dd4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 05:13:56 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 Subject: Re: LF: Winter activity / Holidays Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 9/17/02 11:59:50 AM GMT Daylight Time, j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk writes:


I am away on holiday tomorrow to the Inner Hebrides off the west coast of
Scotland for a week or so - I will be taking a portable LF receiver in the
hope of experiencing a really quiet location - not sure what times I will
be listening, but hope to hear some signals up there. See you all later!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




Hello Jim.




I would be very interested in hearing what 73k is like up there.
Unfortunately I recall hearing Dave YXM say there is a very loud Loran station in the vicinity too.

Have a good holiday. Won't see you at Donnington, but hope you can make the HF convention at Windsor.

73

David   G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9755 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 05:07:40 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 05:07:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8061 invoked by uid 10001); 18 Sep 2002 06:11:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 06:11:53 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rX3A-0002K9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:06:56 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rX39-0002Js-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:06:55 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu06.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.118]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3d8808614538 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:00:17 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:32 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000c01c25d55$bb441600$036868d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. New INFO from Vlad. Now ERP is increased to ABT 0.5 Watts (Ia=2.75A). Also Vlad has recieved IK2DED beacon in CW (audible) this night. Condition seems bacome better! Vlad recive DCF39 58 dB over noise now. Vlad will beacon every night. He can change FREQ if it is need. Also he can do CW QSO if sombody call him by previous sended phone. It is no problem to stop beaconing and begin another transmission. Because Vlad's ERP now is close to IK2DED ERP CW QSO seems to be posible. QRSS reciption by Vlad seems will became posible at weekend. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 23:05:58 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 23:05:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 28290 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 23:06:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 23:06:00 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rRMH-0001uf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:02:17 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rRMG-0001uV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:02:16 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 6301 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 23:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-13.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 23:02:14 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:02:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SJ9KMYZP; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:05:12 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:02:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: PSpice question - success ! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070703090308030800010407" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,PLING,MIME_NULL_BLOCKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070703090308030800010407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alberto, Good to see you now have a waveform. I'm not too fond of your oscillator circuit since it depends on the internal capacities and beta of the transistor to work (and these are highly dependent on supply voltage and temperatures). See what happens when you do a VDC sweep and a temperature sweep. Also, your circuit may work ONLY because it is given a 'kick start' from the VPULSE signal and may taper to 0 at a later time. Have you looked are the output at a millisecond, or so, from the start to see if it is still running? Have fun. This Pspice is the greatest thing since sliced bead (invented by an American, of course )! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Alberto di Bene [mailto:dibene@usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:08 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: PSpice question - success ! James Moritz wrote: Try connecting a pulsed voltage source (VPULSE) in series with the tank circuit Jim and the group, success ! I followed your advice, and now the circuit oscillates : With Electronics Workbench no pulses need to be inserted, probably it generates some noise of its own to trigger the oscillation. Thanks again to all who gave advice. 73 Alberto I2PHD _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. 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murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 22:12:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rQWo-0001nc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:09:06 +0100 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rQWn-0001nS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:09:05 +0100 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h027132.nexo.es [195.235.27.132]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA12440 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:09:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001601c25e96$ccebb560$841bebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:08:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Loran window Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello to the Group:
 
I´d like to know which is the preffered window to work QRSS in the countries affected by Loran transmissions.
 
73 de José Manuel, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22746 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:10:41 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:10:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 13223 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:10:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:10:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rPY7-0001gi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:06:23 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.1] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rPY6-0001gY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:06:22 +0100 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:06:16 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.67] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 395giqVgT0243M28; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:06:20 GMT Message-ID: <3D8799CB.E3E03A14@usa.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:08:27 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3A5B37BB.11936.1878C3D@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020916180814.00b02648@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: PSpice question - success ! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060308090802040001050800" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0tests=PLINGversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060308090802040001050800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit James Moritz wrote:
Try connecting a pulsed voltage source (VPULSE) in series with the tank
circuit
Jim and the group,
  success ! I followed your advice, and now the circuit oscillates :


With Electronics Workbench no pulses need to be inserted, probably it generates some noise
of its own to trigger the oscillation.

Thanks again to all who gave advice.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 15:14:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rK1w-000197-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:12:48 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.1] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rK1v-00018x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:12:47 +0100 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 15:12:41 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.72] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 863giqPmt0052M30; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:12:45 GMT Message-ID: <3D874650.9040003@usa.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:12:16 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3A5B37BB.11936.1878C3D@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020916180814.00b02648@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020917132427.00af1290@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: PSpice question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group James Moritz wrote: > Although the graphical schematic editor recognises upper and lower > case, the actual Spice simulator is not case sensitive, so both m and > M are recognised as "milli". You can use "meg" for mega, eg. 2.2meg, > or the exponential notation 2.2e6. Also, it does not understand > notation like 4k7, which it will interpret as 4k - you have to put 4.7k Jim, thanks for the explanation, which confirms my suspects. Yes, indeed the engine at the core of the various Spice incarnations seems to be the original, character-based, work that you mention. as demonstrated by browsing the output file... thanks God they provided a back end ! BTW, the same apparently is true also for the "visual" NEC implementations, they are just wrappers for the old (but still quite valid) Fortran (remember that?) engine that does all the dirty work of computation, while the wrapper dances and sings all the melodies of the GUI... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25734 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 13:36:54 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 13:36:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9134 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 13:37:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 13:37:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rIWa-0000wE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:36:20 +0100 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rIWZ-0000w4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:36:19 +0100 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g8HDZmX23778 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:35:49 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:35:49 +0200 Message-ID: <200209171335.g8HDZmX23778@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: Re: LF: PSpice milli/Mega R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 17.09.02 13:23:47: > Ashlock,William wrote: > > >There are two great workbooks on Psice simulations by Roy W. Goody. The > >Title for both is 'MicroSim Pspice for Windows', copyright date 1998. Volume > >II is the one that covers oscillators. Check this tile on the various Web > >sites for used books and you might find a real bargain. > > > > > > James Moritz wrote: > > > Try connecting a pulsed voltage source (VPULSE) in series with the > > tank circuit - set it to generate a pulse width of, say, 1/2 a cycle > > of the expected oscillator frequency, starting at t=0. > > [...] > > Bill and Jim, > many thanks for your answers, for the tips and the pointer to the book. > This evening I will try the example oscillator that Bill has sent in a > separate message and the insertion of a VPULSE > as suggested by Jim. Yes, I have noticed that the value for the > "Maximum step" in the simulation usually > needs to be shortened from what PSpice suggests you. > PSpice seems to be a powerful tool, albeit with some quirks, i.e. it > does not recognize (my version at least) the capital > letter M as a prefix for Mega... I had inserted a resistor of 1M, only > to have a few femtovolt across it. > When I changed it to 1e6, everything was ok. Probably it interpreted the > 1M as one milliohm... may be they need a refresh > on the MKS system... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > Dear Alberto, never use letters for abrreviation for decimal units. Instead: 100 Ohm: 100 = 1E2 1kOhm: 1E3 1 Milliohm: 1e-3 Always use the basic units . The Spice Abbreviation for Mega is Meg or meg for Milli is m 73, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND > ______________________________________________________________________________ Ortsunabhängig und flexibel! Verwalten Sie all Ihre E-Mail-Adressen weltweit mit WEB.DE FreeMail - http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021126 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8987 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 13:12:29 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 13:12:29 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 12889 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 13:12:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 13:12:30 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rI8G-0000qu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:11:12 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rI8F-0000qk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:11:11 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17rI6x-0005dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:09:51 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17rI6v-0007GP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:09:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020917132427.00af1290@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:09:48 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <3D870F91.6010703@usa.net> References: <3A5B37BB.11936.1878C3D@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020916180814.00b02648@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: PSpice question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Alberto, LF Group, At 13:18 17/09/2002 +0200, you wrote: >PSpice seems to be a powerful tool, albeit with some quirks, i.e. it does >not recognize (my version at least) the capital >letter M as a prefix for Mega... I had inserted a resistor of 1M, only to >have a few femtovolt across it. >When I changed it to 1e6, everything was ok. Probably it interpreted the >1M as one milliohm... may be they need a refresh >on the MKS system... Although the graphical schematic editor recognises upper and lower case, the actual Spice simulator is not case sensitive, so both m and M are recognised as "milli". You can use "meg" for mega, eg. 2.2meg, or the exponential notation 2.2e6. Also, it does not understand notation like 4k7, which it will interpret as 4k - you have to put 4.7k I hesitate to try and make explanations about software to Alberto, but as I understand it PSpice and similar simulators are essentially just graphical front- and back ends for modified versions of the University of Berkeley's Spice simulator programs, which has a long history going back to punched card data input to computers - so it certainly has a few quirks! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4835 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 11:20:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 29532 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 11:20:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 11:20:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rGNr-0000YR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:19:11 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.2] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rGNr-0000YH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:19:11 +0100 Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.138) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 11:18:49 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.67] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 304giqLqw0326M38; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:16:22 GMT Message-ID: <3D870F91.6010703@usa.net> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:18:41 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3A5B37BB.11936.1878C3D@localhost> <5.1.0.14.0.20020916180814.00b02648@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: PSpice question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Ashlock,William wrote: >There are two great workbooks on Psice simulations by Roy W. Goody. The >Title for both is 'MicroSim Pspice for Windows', copyright date 1998. Volume >II is the one that covers oscillators. Check this tile on the various Web >sites for used books and you might find a real bargain. > > James Moritz wrote: > Try connecting a pulsed voltage source (VPULSE) in series with the > tank circuit - set it to generate a pulse width of, say, 1/2 a cycle > of the expected oscillator frequency, starting at t=0. > [...] Bill and Jim, many thanks for your answers, for the tips and the pointer to the book. This evening I will try the example oscillator that Bill has sent in a separate message and the insertion of a VPULSE as suggested by Jim. Yes, I have noticed that the value for the "Maximum step" in the simulation usually needs to be shortened from what PSpice suggests you. PSpice seems to be a powerful tool, albeit with some quirks, i.e. it does not recognize (my version at least) the capital letter M as a prefix for Mega... I had inserted a resistor of 1M, only to have a few femtovolt across it. When I changed it to 1e6, everything was ok. Probably it interpreted the 1M as one milliohm... may be they need a refresh on the MKS system... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6596 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 10:59:46 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 10:59:46 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 19897 invoked by uid 10001); 17 Sep 2002 12:03:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 12:03:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17rG2s-0000Si-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:57:30 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17rG2r-0000SY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:57:29 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17rFpe-0007RF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:43:50 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17rFpb-0007Lk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:43:47 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020917112842.00ad5bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:43:46 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Winter activity / Holidays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, Had CW QSOs with OH1TN and SM6BHZ last night, so it looks like LF is coming out of hibernation for the winter season - still very noisy though, and nothing seen from RX3QFM. I am away on holiday tomorrow to the Inner Hebrides off the west coast of Scotland for a week or so - I will be taking a portable LF receiver in the hope of experiencing a really quiet location - not sure what times I will be listening, but hope to hear some signals up there. See you all later! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6304 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 17:38:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 12391 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 17:38:28 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 17:38:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qzp8-0007FC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:38:14 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qzp8-0007F2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:38:14 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia04.phoenix.it [213.82.97.68]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8GHcC507523 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:38:12 +0200 Message-ID: <005101c24c9c$d268fc20$446152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c25d55$bb441600$036868d5@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:06:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Also here i have seen the same at about 20.30 Z. Then this signal is fadeed down. Received at exatly 136.100, 1 hertz more or less, with my new E- Field probe. 73 Giulio Scaroni IK2DED. > What is Vlad sending? I am seeing a series of dashes close to the expected > frequency. Do you have an accurate frequency? It needs to be at least within > 40Hz as QRSS3 software at the best sensitivity shows 80-100Hz on screen > only. > > > Mike, G3XDV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3521 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 17:37:35 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 17:37:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 4989 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 17:37:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 17:37:28 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qzo0-0007Dt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:37:04 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qznz-0007Dj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:37:03 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17qznN-0000Qv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:36:25 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17qznC-0004o8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:36:14 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020916180814.00b02648@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:36:12 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <3D85FD53.7090901@usa.net> References: <3A5B37BB.11936.1878C3D@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: PSpice question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > If I simulate it with Electronics Workbench it happily oscillates. >With PSpice it doesn't, no matter how I change the feedback. >I suspect that some noise source should be added to trigger the >oscillation, but >don't know how, nor I am sure that this is indeed true. > >Any help is gratefully accepted, thanks. > >73 Alberto I2PHD Dear Alberto, LF group, Try connecting a pulsed voltage source (VPULSE) in series with the tank circuit - set it to generate a pulse width of, say, 1/2 a cycle of the expected oscillator frequency, starting at t=0. The pulse will cause the tank circuit to "ring", and the oscillations should build up from there. Once the pulse has finished, the source just behaves as a short circuit . You will want to play with the amplitude of the pulse so that the ringing has roughly similar amplitude to the steady-state oscillator level, otherwise it will take a long time to settle. In any case, the simulation must run for a large number of oscillator cycles in order for the circuit to reach equilibrium - this is also true of a real oscillator! You may also find it necessary to set the transient simulation "step ceiling" to a value that is a small fraction of a cycle, otherwise peculiar waveforms will result, because the default time step size selected by PSpice is normally too big for a high Q circuit. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5211 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 17:26:40 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 17:26:40 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 14335 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Sep 2002 18:30:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 18:30:41 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qzdB-00079g-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:25:53 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qzdA-00079W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:25:52 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 14037 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 17:25:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-12.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 17:25:29 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:25:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SJ9KMJK6; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:28:28 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:25:28 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:25:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: PSpice question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Alberto, >I am just starting to play with this simulation tool and have a basic question. I modeled a >simple oscillator, with a 2N2222 and some passive components. If I simulate it with Electronics >Workbench it happily oscillates. With PSpice it doesn't, no matter how I change the feedback. >I suspect that some noise source should be added to trigger the oscillation, but don't know how, >nor I am sure that this is indeed true. Not sure what the secrete is to getting your oscillator to start. Are you using the Vcc as power supply? There has to be some kind of transient to get them to start. I've simulated a few oscillators over a year ago but can't remember having problems. I'll try the 2N2222 in a simple Colpits circuit when I find a spare moment and will get back to you. There are two great workbooks on Psice simulations by Roy W. Goody. The Title for both is 'MicroSim Pspice for Windows', copyright date 1998. Volume II is the one that covers oscillators. Check this tile on the various Web sites for used books and you might find a real bargain. Good luck! Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 708 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 16:10:38 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 16:10:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 9955 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 16:06:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 16:06:37 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qyNv-0006yL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:06:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.10] (helo=public1.thorcom.com ident=[dlDzjlsqvjka9GbONnN7DgM97/6HyvqT]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qyNu-0006xc-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:06:02 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by public1.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17qxgN-0005yi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:21:03 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17qx8X-0007A2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:46:05 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17qx8V-0004as-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:46:03 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020916152546.00ae93b8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:46:02 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000c01c25d55$bb441600$036868d5@oemcomputer> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Mike, LF group, At 08:50 16/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: >What is Vlad sending? I am seeing a series of dashes close to the expected >frequency. Do you have an accurate frequency? It needs to be at least within >40Hz as QRSS3 software at the best sensitivity shows 80-100Hz on screen >only. > I have been watching this frequency for the past several nights (except last night); there are plenty of Loran lines within a range of +/- 70Hz, some of which look like a regular series of dashes because they are actually two very closely spaced lines beating together. I have not seen anything that looks as if it could be a signal from Vlad, which is not so surprising considering the QRN level, which unfortunately seems to reach a maximum around midnight, which is when the signals from RU6LA seemed to peak - it blots out most of the Loran lines as well. I expect it should be possible to copy Vlad when conditions are a bit quieter, but it is a bit frustrating! I am using DL4YHF's Spec Lab set for a span of +/- 100Hz around 136.1kHz, which covers the possible range of frequencies with a margin for error - with the waterfall expanded to full screen, and about 0.3Hz resolution, it does not seem to miss anything. I will be looking out again tonight. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6499 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 16:04:19 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 16:04:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26738 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 15:55:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 15:55:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qyD2-0006o1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:54:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.10] (helo=public1.thorcom.com ident=[y+jSNNt1Xdj6jl3DGXBkaqefetinMDl4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qyD2-0006n4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:54:48 +0100 Received: from new-tonge.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231] helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk ident=mail) by public1.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17qy29-00061I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:43:34 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17qy28-0004CU-00 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:43:32 +0100 Received: from a7j7r2 (bts-0332.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.76]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id g8GFhU904180 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:43:31 +0100 Message-ID: <010101c25d97$82b77060$4c31f7c2@a7j7r2> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:28:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0tests=PORN_11version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I have looked at the NoV and other documentation received from the RA. It seems to be silent regarding any crossband working with amateurs in the normal amateur bands. On the other hand, paragraph (b) of the Operating Guidelines on the RSGB web site states that crossband operation involving the 5 MHz spot frequencies is only permitted between those holding current 5 MHz NoVs. As far as transatlantic working is concerned, the Operating Guidelines on the RSGB web site refer to channel FA (effectively 5258.5 kHz USB) as being used for this purpose between 0000 and 0900 UTC but the 'clockface' document shows international tests as taking place between 0100 and 0400 UTC on channel FC. Let us see what Mal comes up with. 73 John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10849 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 15:55:46 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 15:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 6934 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 15:55:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 15:55:47 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qyD0-0006nM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:54:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.10] (helo=public1.thorcom.com ident=[y+jSNNt1Xdj6jl3DGXBkaqefetinMDl4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qyD0-0006n4-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:54:46 +0100 Received: from cmsrelay01.mx.net ([165.212.11.110] helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by public1.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17qy7v-00061p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:49:31 +0100 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 15:49:03 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.67] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 905giPPxD0244M30; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:49:04 GMT Message-ID: <3D85FD53.7090901@usa.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:48:35 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3A5B37BB.11936.1878C3D@localhost> Subject: LF: PSpice question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello group, any PSpice guru amongst you ? I am just starting to play with this simulation tool and have a basic question. I modeled a simple oscillator, with a 2N2222 and some passive components. If I simulate it with Electronics Workbench it happily oscillates. With PSpice it doesn't, no matter how I change the feedback. I suspect that some noise source should be added to trigger the oscillation, but don't know how, nor I am sure that this is indeed true. Any help is gratefully accepted, thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11792 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 13:37:42 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 13:37:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 22391 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 13:37:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 13:37:32 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qw3A-0006Tv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:36:28 +0100 Received: from [212.125.75.12] (helo=mail4.messagelabs.com) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qw39-0006Tl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:36:27 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 31472 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 13:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ukfw1.ge.boc.com) (193.131.2.157) by server-16.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 13:36:22 -0000 Received: from z-160-100-160-136.est.ibm.com ([160.100.160.136]) by ukfw1.ge.boc.com; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:36:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from exc_wil04.edwards.boc.com ([162.118.144.226]) by exc_cra03.edwards.boc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SJ9KMFTR; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:39:19 +0100 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:36:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: FT50-75 or FT50-J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Stewart, Does anyone know a good (UK) source of the above ferrite cores used in the K0BRA active antenna? Stewart G3YSX You may have a source right at home. Are you aware that the typical filtered IEC power entry module has a common mode choke that has either a #75, #77, or J core? Any of these types should work in this application. Bill A _____________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the WorldCom Internet Managed Scanning Service - powered by MessageLabs. For further information visit http://www.worldcom.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17372 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 10:22:10 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 10:22:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6391 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 10:22:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 10:22:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qszq-00068x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:50 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qszp-00068n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:20:50 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA3d85aff95019 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:18:33 +0700 (OSS) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:59:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <000c01c25d55$bb441600$036868d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Mike and Group. On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, mike.dennison wrote: > > What is Vlad sending? I do not know exectly but it seems he send the call... May be dashes is Vlad's tuning. I am seeing a series of dashes close to the expected > frequency. Do you have an accurate frequency? FREQ does NOT known very accurate. But error is less then 70 Hz. It needs to be at least within > 40Hz as QRSS3 software at the best sensitivity shows 80-100Hz on screen > only. > You can contact with Vlad by: It is posible to ask Vlad change the FREQ or someone else sending him a short MSG (less then 160 simbols) to 6503561@sms.beemail.ru or by a phone +79036503561 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24310 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 08:40:06 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 08:40:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 16265 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Sep 2002 09:44:18 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:44:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qrPs-0005vv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:39:36 +0100 Received: from [144.254.98.48] (helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qrPs-0005vl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:39:36 +0100 Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp100.cisco.com [10.50.0.99]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06362 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:39:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3D85986F.BB1D6794@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:38:07 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: FT50-75 or FT50-J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Does anyone know a good (UK) source of the above ferrite cores used in the K0BRA active antenna? 73 Stewart G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4136 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 07:51:50 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 07:51:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8056 invoked by uid 10001); 16 Sep 2002 08:55:49 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 08:55:49 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qqeY-0005nu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:50:42 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.45] (helo=mta05-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qqeX-0005nk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:50:41 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.104.3]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020916075041.UDEJ14766.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:50:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c25d55$bb441600$036868d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:50:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > I had yet another chat with Vlad on 20 m. He had enlarge horizontal part > of his ANT. Now ERP is ABT 0.2 Watts. It is very strange nobody see him... > > Vlad has some problem with his memory keyer. Somtimes keyer hungs and if > Vlad is sleeping beacon may stop. But usualy beacon works all nights. > > Local experiment was done. At distanse 12 km old tube RX "Volna-K" with > indore short ANT is overload by Vlad's signal! It is very strong sigs but > this is few km... > > 73 de RA9MB/Alex What is Vlad sending? I am seeing a series of dashes close to the expected frequency. Do you have an accurate frequency? It needs to be at least within 40Hz as QRSS3 software at the best sensitivity shows 80-100Hz on screen only. Mike, G3XDV http://www.lf.thersgb.net ==================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10765 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 05:31:35 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 05:31:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 25260 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 05:31:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 05:31:39 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qoTc-0005eX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:31:16 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.27] (helo=iceman.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qoTc-0005eN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:31:16 +0100 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by iceman.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8G5T9lD025665 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:29:09 +0100 Received: from slave-6 (por241.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.241]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8G5VEW26486 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:31:15 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020916053341.00a9b3d0@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 05:33:41 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: <17qgIM-0Pn1OaC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20020914175946.00a18570@pop3.esoterica.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Signal on 135.923KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Uwe, thanks for the screen shot. Much stronger with me but exactly the same frequency, please see the my web pages. I have been observing this signal on and off for about a week now but I thought it was my neighbour in La Coruña improving his system and testing. 73, Brian At 22:47 15/09/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Brian Rogerson schrieb: >> Does anyone want to claim the signal on 135.923KHz >> or is it a commercial station? >> 73, Brian >> 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W >> http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian >> >> >Hi Brian, > >I do observe an A0 on 135.923,239 kHz 24 hours up to now. > >see attachment. > >wld u pse sent ur screenshot and the exact QRG ? > >hagas el favor > >regards >Uwe/dj8wx Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="135A.JPG" >Content-Disposition: inline; filename="135A.JPG" >Content-MD5: YkEuSXv2SqdLptndZLIirQ== > >Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\Attach\135A.jpg" > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15878 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 05:26:36 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 05:26:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21755 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 05:26:29 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 05:26:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qoO8-0005b8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:25:36 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qoO7-0005aq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:25:35 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3d856af41aae for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:24:04 +0700 (OSS) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:05:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. I had yet another chat with Vlad on 20 m. He had enlarge horizontal part of his ANT. Now ERP is ABT 0.2 Watts. It is very strange nobody see him... Vlad has some problem with his memory keyer. Somtimes keyer hungs and if Vlad is sleeping beacon may stop. But usualy beacon works all nights. Local experiment was done. At distanse 12 km old tube RX "Volna-K" with indore short ANT is overload by Vlad's signal! It is very strong sigs but this is few km... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11554 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 20:48:18 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 20:48:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 26111 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 20:48:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 20:48:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qgIh-00056n-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:47:27 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.18] (helo=mailout04.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qgIh-00056d-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:47:27 +0100 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17qgIf-00052B-00; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:47:25 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.224.49.153]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17qgIM-0Pn1OaC; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:47:06 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.5.32.20020914175946.00a18570@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:47:06 +0200 Message-ID: <17qgIM-0Pn1OaC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Signal on 135.923KHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060002000304090700020009" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060002000304090700020009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brian Rogerson schrieb: > Does anyone want to claim the signal on 135.923KHz > or is it a commercial station? > 73, Brian > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian > > Hi Brian, I do observe an A0 on 135.923,239 kHz 24 hours up to now. see attachment. wld u pse sent ur screenshot and the exact QRG ? hagas el favor regards Uwe/dj8wx --------------060002000304090700020009 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="135A.JPG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="135A.JPG" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDAAgGBgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsLDBkSEw8UHRof Hh0aHBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgyPC4zNDL/2wBDAQkJCQwLDBgNDRgyIRwh MjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjL/wAAR CABpAYcDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA 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V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qg4c-00053B-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:32:54 +0100 Received: from [64.136.24.74] (helo=m11.boston.juno.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qg4c-000531-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:32:54 +0100 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewAjjosXQXeLEbvFWTUsytsQGQuzaUNVgVQ=="> Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id HCSA8YZK; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:32:09 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:26:52 -0400 Message-ID: <20020915.163124.-767759.5.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-15,17-18,20-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "BOB RIESE" Subject: Re: LF: Again on the E - Field Antenna. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.4 required=5.0tests=FORGED_JUNO_RCVDversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:14:35 +0200 "Giulio Scaroni" writes: >Hi to all, >i have received by Crystalonics the CP666 High Performance FET for >the AMRAD E Field Antenna, so in this weekend i have realized it. >The first impression is that i can't believe that with a 1 meters long >whip was possible listen from the DC to up 30 MHZ, an outstanding >design!!!!!! .Ahh, without a good ground connection near the whip the antenna is so >noisy that a piece of random wire in the shack is better!! > And the ground is the thing , Last year at a temp location a short piece of copper pipe 18 inches was all it needed to quiet down. At its newer spot looking forward to a good listening year. Has survived some good thunder storms as well so the FET is pretty rugged 73 to all the IK2DED Giulio Scaroni Good Luck Bob K3DJC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13867 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 20:11:47 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 20:11:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 20924 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Sep 2002 21:15:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 21:15:56 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qfjJ-0004zD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:10:53 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qfjI-0004z3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:10:53 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia30.phoenix.it [213.82.97.94]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8FKAo114444 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:10:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c24c85$0c0041e0$5e6152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:14:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Again on the E - Field Antenna. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0tests=SUPERLONG_LINE,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi to all,
i have received by Crystalonics the CP666 High Performance FET for the AMRAD E Field Antenna, so in this weekend i have realized it.
The first impression is that i can't believe that with a 1 meters long whip was possible listen from the DC to up 30 MHZ, an outstanding design!!!!!!
Compared here with my big magnetic loop in 160/80/40 ( 4 meters dia.) is about the same, a little better is the magloop for high angle, on higher band is really better than my little magloop on the DX.
In LF i can hear signal from 12 Khz, where i listen Omega and Alpha also signal i think, in 136 this morning i have recorded I5TGC with DF6NM in dfcw, with Amrad antenna DF6NM was T/O, with my ferrite antenna with fet pre nothing!!
The 2 antenna are at about 8 meters high on my roof at a distance one from the other about 10 meters, so for my first impression is the antenna work very well, and the Crystalonics fet is really very good, no presence of intermodulation at the output of the pre with my EKD300 receiver, while with my IC738, there is some IMD on 160, the limiting factor is the receiver!!!!
So, i agree at 100% with all the impression wrote by Derek Atter, G3GRO about this antenna.
Again, the ferrite antenna is much vulnerable with magnetic man made signal, local signal very high on the ferrite disappear on the vertical whip, incredible.
I have ordered 15 pieces of this FET, 10 are for I2PHD Alberto, may be that him want to made a 136 khz four square array??? hi hi hi.
73 to all the IK2DED Giulio Scaroni.
 
Ahh, without a good ground connection near the whip the antenna is so noisy that a piece of random wire in the shack is better!!
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25284 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 18:54:09 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 18:54:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 6907 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 18:54:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 18:54:12 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qeV0-0004rQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:52:02 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qeV0-0004rG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:52:02 +0100 Received: from host62-7-99-85.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.99.85] helo=main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17qeUz-0005VG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:52:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c25ce8$cf00cf20$5563073e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:50:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: FW: interesting gear ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,PORN_11version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The following was posted to uk.radio.amateur news group. I dont normally like reposting but this is too good to miss...... ------------------------------- Free to a good home (UK only, sorry), Marconi Wave Analyser. 0 - 74kHz. I simply don't want to throw it away if it is of some use to someone. In good working order. Ideal for anyone into ELF radio. I shall be visiting Castle Donnington radio rally on Friday 20th Sept 2002, so can deliver to there if required. Contact me off - list if interested. tom.bratton@btinternet.com ----------------------------------------- As it is only 5 days off now you will have to be quick if you want to contact him. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3260 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 02:02:05 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 02:02:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24103 invoked by uid 10001); 15 Sep 2002 03:06:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 03:06:16 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qOhi-0002NY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:00:06 +0100 Received: from [216.93.66.200] (helo=mail1.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qOhh-0002NO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:00:05 +0100 Received: from k6500 (d15.as3.mpls.mn.voyager.net [169.207.249.239] (may be forged)) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8F203s81711 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:00:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000c01c25c1c$da716760$78ccfc3e@l8p8y6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: RE: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,MAY_BE_FORGED,PORN_11,PORN_3, SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I would bet that it is perfectly legal to mention your reception in a conversation on an Amateur band. We can talk about anything else, so this wouldn't be different than the everyday conversations we all participate in. Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf.html 185.303kc QRSS-30/CW@15wpm ID is "WE" -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 1:30 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ > > > > hamilton mal wrote: > > > > There seems to be a number of LF operators using the new 5 mhz band. Is there anyone in the USA reading this message that can > > transmit on one of the 5 mhz freqs. I have listened a couple of times and so far heard nil from across the water. Please let me > > know. I am on frequently using CW and SSB, but have most modes available. > > The operating standard on CW and associated procedures is of a high standard on 5 mhz. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > Although the NoV does not really say anything about who we can > work (other than explicitly including military stations), > the terms of reference on the RSGB web site prohibit cross-band > working with non-NOV holders. > > It is therefore not clear that we are licienced to work US > stations. I wonder if it is also prohibited for a radio amateur or SWL without an NOV to send me a report via EMAIL or to mention to me in another QSO sometime later, on another band that he/she heard me ? Are all others without an NOV not permitted to listen to radio amateurs on the 5 mhz band. I cannot find any reference on my NOV prohibiting xband working, regardless what the RSGB says. I will clarify the position directly with the RA and not use third party interperations. It appears from what this man says that if my signals or anyone else is heard on the 5 mhz band in EU or the USA you are prohibited from telling me on another amateur band. What about 73 and 136 khz xband working with those without a LF NOV ? Has this been illegal all along ? Some questions need to be answered soon. If you hear me and others whispering at rallies and radio clubs you will understand that someone is telling me/them they were heard on 5 MHZ. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > Stewart G3YSX > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25794 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 19:25:10 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 19:25:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15931 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Sep 2002 20:29:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 20:29:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qIWt-0001qQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:24:31 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qIWt-0001qG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:24:31 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.204.120]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020914192430.UBMV21311.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:24:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c25c1c$da716760$78ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c25a7d$61588c00$1acefc3e@l8p8y6> <3D83358C.73D3AFA3@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:30:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0tests=PORN_11,PORN_3version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ > > > > hamilton mal wrote: > > > > There seems to be a number of LF operators using the new 5 mhz band. Is there anyone in the USA reading this message that can > > transmit on one of the 5 mhz freqs. I have listened a couple of times and so far heard nil from across the water. Please let me > > know. I am on frequently using CW and SSB, but have most modes available. > > The operating standard on CW and associated procedures is of a high standard on 5 mhz. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > Although the NoV does not really say anything about who we can > work (other than explicitly including military stations), > the terms of reference on the RSGB web site prohibit cross-band > working with non-NOV holders. > > It is therefore not clear that we are licienced to work US > stations. I wonder if it is also prohibited for a radio amateur or SWL without an NOV to send me a report via EMAIL or to mention to me in another QSO sometime later, on another band that he/she heard me ? Are all others without an NOV not permitted to listen to radio amateurs on the 5 mhz band. I cannot find any reference on my NOV prohibiting xband working, regardless what the RSGB says. I will clarify the position directly with the RA and not use third party interperations. It appears from what this man says that if my signals or anyone else is heard on the 5 mhz band in EU or the USA you are prohibited from telling me on another amateur band. What about 73 and 136 khz xband working with those without a LF NOV ? Has this been illegal all along ? Some questions need to be answered soon. If you hear me and others whispering at rallies and radio clubs you will understand that someone is telling me/them they were heard on 5 MHZ. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > Stewart G3YSX > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29892 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 17:59:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 17:59:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: (qmail 3818 invoked by uid 10001); 14 Sep 2002 19:03:34 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 19:03:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qHAc-0001im-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:57:26 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.26] (helo=rhun.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qHAc-0001ic-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:57:26 +0100 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by rhun.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8EHvOS10246 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:57:24 +0100 (WEST) Received: from slave-6 (por229.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.229]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8EHvOv06665 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:57:24 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020914175946.00a18570@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:59:46 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Signal on 135.923KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Does anyone want to claim the signal on 135.923KHz or is it a commercial station? 73, Brian 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1084 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 13:14:02 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 13:14:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 26385 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 13:14:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 13:14:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qCjO-0001Mp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:13:02 +0100 Received: from [144.254.98.48] (helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qCjO-0001MS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:13:02 +0100 Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp100.cisco.com [10.50.0.99]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12064 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:12:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3D83358C.73D3AFA3@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:11:40 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c25a7d$61588c00$1acefc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > hamilton mal wrote: > > There seems to be a number of LF operators using the new 5 mhz band. Is there anyone in the USA reading this message that can > transmit on one of the 5 mhz freqs. I have listened a couple of times and so far heard nil from across the water. Please let me > know. I am on frequently using CW and SSB, but have most modes available. > The operating standard on CW and associated procedures is of a high standard on 5 mhz. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > Although the NoV does not really say anything about who we can work (other than explicitly including military stations), the terms of reference on the RSGB web site prohibit cross-band working with non-NOV holders. It is therefore not clear that we are licienced to work US stations. Stewart G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 667 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 13:13:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 13:13:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 26305 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 13:13:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 13:13:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17qCjM-0001Mc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:13:00 +0100 Received: from [144.254.98.48] (helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17qCjL-0001MR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:13:00 +0100 Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp100.cisco.com [10.50.0.99]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12059 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:12:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3D833577.D8F41D21@virgin.net> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:11:19 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c25a7d$61588c00$1acefc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: Re: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group > hamilton mal wrote: > > There seems to be a number of LF operators using the new 5 mhz band. Is there anyone in the USA reading this message that can > transmit on one of the 5 mhz freqs. I have listened a couple of times and so far heard nil from across the water. Please let me > know. I am on frequently using CW and SSB, but have most modes available. > The operating standard on CW and associated procedures is of a high standard on 5 mhz. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > Although the NoV does not really say anything about who we can work (other than explicitly including military stations), the terms of reference on the RSGB web site prohibit cross-band working with non-NOV holders. It is therefore not clear that we are licienced to work US stations. Stewart G3YSX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15740 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 08:56:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 08:56:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2509 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 08:56:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 08:56:37 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17q8iF-0000uh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:55:35 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17q8iE-0000uX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:55:35 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA3d82f94872cd for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:54:32 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:35:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. Just now I have a long chat with Vlad on 14 MHz. Now TX PWR is increased to 100 Watts. Antenna current is more then 1 A and ERP seems to be ABT 0.1 Watts now. Vlad will beacon from 20-00 UT to 04-00 UT on 136.1 kHz QRSS3 every night and CW beacon on the same FREQ at daytime. It is posible to ask Vlad change the FREQ or someone else sending him a short MSG to 6503561@sms.beemail.ru or by a phone +79036503561 Hope somebody can see him now... 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4124 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 22:41:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 22:41:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8699 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 22:41:18 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 22:41:18 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pz6q-0008Hi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:40:20 +0100 Received: from [210.86.15.147] (helo=mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pz6o-0008HT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:40:18 +0100 Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20020913223945.TUDX19207.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:39:45 +1200 Received: from xtr743187 ([210.54.78.177]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020913223944.SPHX15160.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:39:44 +1200 Message-ID: <000901c25b77$5ce766a0$b14e36d2@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C245F0.733C6280.g4jnt@thersgb.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020819134300.00a87a00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:44:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ZL6QH tests on 21 September Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, ZL6QH LF beacon tests are planned for Saturday 21 September. More details will be posted nearer to the time. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10081 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 17:18:41 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 17:18:41 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 26619 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 17:18:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 17:18:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pu3P-0007j8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:16:27 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pu3P-0007iy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:16:27 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17pu2u-0001P4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:15:56 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17pu2s-0004Oh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:15:54 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020913180838.00ad5fd0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:15:52 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: Fwd: GSM short message from rx3qfm@email2sms.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, Have been watching 136.1kHz for the past couple of nights, but nothing seen from RX3QFM, which is not terribly surprising considering the high level of QRN. I received this from Vlad a short time ago: >Jim, GA! QRV today with PA 12OWT. 73! Vlad. So it looks like the chances of copying something have just increased by 10dB :-) - I will be looking again tonight. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3645 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 22:04:42 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 22:04:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 10991 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Sep 2002 23:08:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:08:49 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pc4B-0005Ry-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:04:03 +0100 Received: from [205.188.157.38] (helo=imo-d06.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pc4A-0005Ro-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:04:02 +0100 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.14f.13eb4df5 (15862) for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m01.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.129]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v88.21) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-0912180326; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:03:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:03:26 -0400 From: carmelink@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <18DD16B9.06E04CAF.02E350C6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Subject: LF: RE: LF/5 MHZ X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=7.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_HAS_SPACES,NO_REAL_NAME,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,PORN_11, SUPERLONG_LINE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Level: ******* X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.31 (devel $Id: SpamAssassin.pm,v 1.94.2.2 2002/06/20 17:20:29 hughescr Exp $) X-Spam-Prev-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Report: 7.1 hits, 5 required; * 4.0 -- Subject contains lots of white space * 0.5 -- From: does not include a real name * 1.1 -- BODY: A word in all caps repeated on the line * 1.2 -- BODY: Uses words and phrases which indicate porn (11) * 0.4 -- BODY: Contains a line >=199 characters long * -0.1 -- Subject is all capitals Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Per Mike WE0H's note to Mal G3KEV, it's looking gloomy here -- if we get 5 mhz at all, it might be greatly reduced in bandwidth and/or power. (QRSS QRPP?) Mike W2AG QST de W1AW  ARRL Bulletin 53  ARLB053 >From ARRL Headquarters  Newington CT  September 10, 2002 To all radio amateurs SB QST ARL ARLB053 ARLB053 NTIA gives thumbs down to 5 MHz petition The National Telecommunications and Information Administration--the NTIA--has recommended that the FCC not grant an ARRL petition for a domestic-only, secondary Amateur Radio allocation at 5 MHz. The NTIA regulates radio spectrum allocated to the federal government. The last-minute recommendation followed hundreds of largely favorable comments and reply comments from organizations--including the ARRL--and from individuals. In an August 21 letter, the NTIA's Fredrick R. Wentland said federal agencies are making extensive use of HF for emergency services,including communications support for the Department of Defense, the Coast Guard and Department of Justice law enforcement activities. ''NTIA believes the Commission's current proposal does not adequately provide for protection from harmful interference to these critical government operations primary in the band,'' said Wentland, who is NTIA's acting associate administrator for spectrum management. ARRL General Counsel Chris Imlay, W3KD, and ARRL President Jim Haynie, W5JBP, plan to meet with representatives of the affected agencies to address the concerns raised in the NTIA's letter. In its recent comments, the ARRL called the 5 MHz allocation ''an urgent priority of the Amateur Service'' and asked that the proceeding to grant it be expedited. Wentland's letter arrived at the FCC beyond the cut-off date for reply comments in the proceeding, ET Docket 02-98. Wentland said that without a more complete understanding of the interference potential to federal operations, the NTIA believes the secondary amateur allocation would be ''premature.'' But he said that NTIA would work with the federal agencies, the FCC and the amateur community to determine whether ''some future accommodation'' for amateurs at 5 MHz would be possible. That could include limitations on power or emission types, a reduction in the size of the proposed band, the use of discrete frequencies or geographical restrictions, he suggested. Imlay said that while he and the ARRL Board of Directors have been long aware of the concerns registered by the US Coast Guard and the US Department of Justice with the NTIA's Interdepartment Radio Advisory Committee (IRAC), he was surprised by the tone of the NTIA letter. ''This is a lot worse than we were told to expect,'' he said, noting that the FCC had cancelled a meeting to discuss issues expressed by the NTIA several months ago and went forward with its proposal despite the NTIA's concerns. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22955 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 21:35:11 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 21:35:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 21732 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 21:35:11 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 21:35:10 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pbas-0005Lg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:33:46 +0100 Received: from [216.93.66.202] (helo=mail3.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pbar-0005LW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:33:45 +0100 Received: from k6500 (d3.as3.mpls.mn.voyager.net [169.207.249.227] (may be forged)) by mail3.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8CLXgQ55659 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:34:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000c01c25a7d$61588c00$1acefc3e@l8p8y6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: RE: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,MAY_BE_FORGED,SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

I don’t think we will get the new band from what I have heard.

 

Mike>WE0H

http://www.we0h.us/lf.html

185.303kc QRSS-30/CW@15wpm

ID is "WE"

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:56 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: LF/5 MHZ

 

There seems to be a number of LF operators using the new 5 mhz band. Is there anyone in the USA reading this message that can transmit on one of the 5 mhz freqs. I have listened a couple of times and so far heard nil from across the water. Please let me know. I am on frequently using CW and SSB, but have most modes available.

The operating standard on CW and associated procedures is of a high standard on 5 mhz.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4762 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 18:17:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 26750 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 18:17:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 18:17:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pYWA-0004ri-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:16:42 +0100 Received: from [195.188.53.94] (helo=blueyonder.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pYWA-0004rY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:16:42 +0100 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:16:41 +0100 Received: from vigor.twickenham.freeserve.co.uk (unverified [62.30.62.69]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:16:36 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020912191133.00a17a10@pop.freeserve.net> X-Sender: twickenham.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 19:14:52 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rob Gill" In-reply-to: <004701c25a2a$05725360$7d31f7c2@a7j7r2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Plessey Figaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group John, I have tracked down the New Scientist article (13 March 1975) regarding Figaro. The radio was apparently developed by Plessey. I could email you a scan of the half-page article if you'd like. Regards Rob At 08:00 12/09/02 +0100, you wrote: >This was a body-worn radio system intended for firefighters working in steel >framed buildings. I understand it was tried at the Moorgate Underground >disaster in 1975. Does anyone have any information on it, please? > >John Rabson >Editor >Cave Radio and Electronics Journal From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14062 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 17:51:25 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 17:51:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 8376 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Sep 2002 18:55:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 18:55:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pY6n-0004md-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:50:29 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pY6n-0004mT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:50:29 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.206.26]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020912175028.FHTY21311.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:50:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c25a7d$61588c00$1acefc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:56:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: LF/5 MHZ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0tests=SUPERLONG_LINE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
There seems to be a number of LF operators using the new 5 mhz band. Is there anyone in the USA reading this message that can transmit on one of the 5 mhz freqs. I have listened a couple of times and so far heard nil from across the water. Please let me know. I am on frequently using CW and SSB, but have most modes available.
The operating standard on CW and associated procedures is of a high standard on 5 mhz.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10328 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 13:12:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 13:12:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 682 invoked by uid 10001); 12 Sep 2002 14:16:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 14:16:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pTjx-0003ge-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:10:37 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pTjw-0003gU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:10:37 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA3d8092081493 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:09:28 +0700 (OSS) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:50:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: "LF-Group" In-reply-to: <001101c25a41$e9749160$1347073e@main> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: re Vlad's QRSS beacon Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alan and Group. On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Alan Melia wrote: > Unfortunately not knowing the exact frequency at extreme range means > throwing away quite a lot of dBs. So if anyone further East copies Vlad's > transmissions I would be interested to find his exact frequency ( nominal > 136.1kHz ) and stability, so I can use ARGO at high resolution. Just now Ed RU6LA inform me he see Vlad's signal. Ed say the FREQ is near nominal 136.1 but he do not tell what is error quantatively. Also Ed tell dot and dash duration ratio is not very good. And he shell send me screenshort. If Ed do not send screenshort to the group by himself I'll forward it if I get. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24859 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 09:53:35 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 09:53:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24946 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 09:53:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 09:53:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pQdd-00037C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:51:53 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pQdd-000372-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:51:53 +0100 Received: from host62-7-71-19.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.71.19] helo=main) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17pQdY-0003pl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:51:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c25a41$e9749160$1347073e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:46:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re Vlad's QRSS beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORDversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, Alex sent the following direct to me regarding transmissions by Vlad RX3QFM, but I may be of interest to others. Thanks Alex ------------------------------------------------------------------- Just now I ask Vlad how exect is nominal FREQ. Unfortunely FREQ acurancy is not too high. Vlad set FREQ by listening his signal on FT840. I have told him that if listen high harmonic of the signal then acurancy will be more high... Vlad will continue his beacon test every night. Now Vlad has 0.45 A in 15 m high L-antenna. PA is under costruction now. Additional info from Vlad. He use transverter. Acuransy of generator is 50 Hz and trx syntesiser acyrancy is 20 Hz. So FREQ error may be up to 70 Hz. To find the signal is needed. My be sombody can find his sigs and tell the exect FREQ. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb ---------------------------------------------- Unfortunately not knowing the exact frequency at extreme range means throwing away quite a lot of dBs. So if anyone further East copies Vlad's transmissions I would be interested to find his exact frequency ( nominal 136.1kHz ) and stability, so I can use ARGO at high resolution. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21649 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 07:17:50 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 07:17:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 14068 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 07:17:49 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: High Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 07:17:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pOE6-0002N8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:22 +0100 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pOE6-0002My-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:17:22 +0100 Received: from [212.1.140.188] (helo=standalone) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 17pODU-0005zO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:16:45 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:14:45 +0100 Message-ID: <01C25A34.740418E0.g4jnt@thersgb.net> From: "Andy talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:14:10 +0100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RE: Plessey Figaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGHversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I vaguely remember a mention in RadCom of long ago. Seem to recall it operated in the 3MHz region, SSB, with a antenna woven into clothing. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: John Rabson [SMTP:word.factory@zetnet.co.uk] Sent: 2002/09/12 08:00 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Plessey Figaro This was a body-worn radio system intended for firefighters working in steel framed buildings. I understand it was tried at the Moorgate Underground disaster in 1975. Does anyone have any information on it, please? John Rabson Editor Cave Radio and Electronics Journal From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14455 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 07:00:30 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 07:00:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 13922 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 07:00:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 07:00:31 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pNwl-0002IN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:59:27 +0100 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk ident=mail) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pNwl-0002ID-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:59:27 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17pNwl-0001i5-00 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:59:27 +0100 Received: from a7j7r2 (bts-0381.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.49.125]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id g8C6xPY14466 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:59:25 +0100 Message-ID: <004701c25a2a$05725360$7d31f7c2@a7j7r2> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:00:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Plessey Figaro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This was a body-worn radio system intended for firefighters working in steel framed buildings. I understand it was tried at the Moorgate Underground disaster in 1975. Does anyone have any information on it, please? John Rabson Editor Cave Radio and Electronics Journal From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6512 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 20:10:25 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 20:10:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 6898 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 20:10:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 20:10:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17pDni-0000KB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:09:26 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17pDnh-0000K1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:09:25 +0100 Received: from host213-122-131-197.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.131.197] helo=presario-1920) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17pDnh-0004xB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:09:25 +0100 From: "John W Gould" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:12:32 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 2002 LF Experimenters Award - The Nevada Cup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The call for moninations for the above award was placed in the September issue of RadCom, page6. This is a reminder as it is now getting close to the deadline. Details of the award are at http://www.g3wkl.freeserve.co.uk/awards/LF_expt_award.html Whilst nominations can be sent to the RSGB HQ for attention of the HF Committee, it is preferably, close to the deadline, that nominations are e-mailed to me at g3wkl@btinternet.com, so that I can then share them quickly with the rest of the committee members. 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3139 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 11:59:28 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 11:59:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22617 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 11:59:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 11:59:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17p68v-0007Jc-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:58:49 +0100 Received: from [195.20.224.131] (helo=moutvdom.kundenserver.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p68v-0007JS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:58:49 +0100 Received: from [195.20.224.206] (helo=mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17p68u-00071d-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:58:48 +0200 Received: from [217.1.65.160] (helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17p68t-00013E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:58:48 +0200 Message-ID: <3D7F2210.106F57B2@diolog.de> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:59:28 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: DDH47 transmitting slow-CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello group, just got an e-Mail from DL8HCI who asked me to inform the LF-Community that DDH47 (147kHz, DWD/German weather Service in Pinneberg) will be operating crossband, 147 kHz, QSX 80/40/20m on November 8th/9th 2002, the 50th jubilee of the DWD. Also QRSS transmissions for North America are planned. Further information can be found at http://www.dwd.de/de/wir/Geschaeftsfelder/Seeschifffahrt/Sendeplaene/Amateurfunk/ (in english). vy 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11449 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 10:37:07 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 10:37:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 457 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 10:37:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 10:37:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17p4pi-0006z8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:34:54 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p4ph-0006yy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:34:54 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17p4pg-0002NG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:34:52 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17p4pe-0007Kh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:34:50 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020911111454.00a8ce00@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:34:47 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: SXV ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,SUBJ_HAS_Q_MARKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 18:30 10/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Being very very new to LF (136 Khz), can some one explain please? SXV is (allegedly) a station operated by the Greek navy, which appears from time to time around the lower edge of the 136kHz band. It used to be located in Marathon - but has it moved recently? When it is broadcasting, it is usually fairly weak during the daytime in the UK, but strong after dark. It mostly transmits some sort of FSK, but sometimes uses other more exotic modes as well. The frequency changes from time to time and seems a little erratic. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2746 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 09:42:30 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 09:42:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 1099 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 09:42:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 09:42:29 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17p40O-0006Zx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:41:52 +0100 Received: from [208.231.4.134] (helo=mail.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p40N-0006Zn-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:41:51 +0100 Received: from [217.37.192.57] (helo=PBXP) by mail.salmark.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17p40M-0006qE-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 05:41:51 -0400 Message-ID: <039c01c25977$75990ca0$3201a8c0@salmark.net> From: "Peter Bowyer" To: vhf-dx-discuss@blacksheep.org, vhf-contests@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:41:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: blacksheep.org and qsl.net - resolved Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0tests=MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group After conversations with Al K3TKJ, we have finally resolved the problems we were having delivering to qsl.net addresses. We were tripping Al's spam filters and as a result, our mail relay was blocked from his servers. So anyone who wishes to use their qsl.net address with blacksheep.org mailing lists can now do so. Peter G4MJS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22129 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 08:56:13 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 08:56:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 10595 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 08:56:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 08:56:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17p3Gr-0006BJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:49 +0100 Received: from [195.22.0.27] (helo=iceman.esoterica.pt) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p3Go-0006B9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:47 +0100 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by iceman.esoterica.pt (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B8qqjF003553 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:52:52 +0100 Received: from slave-6 (por241.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.241]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8B8siU23585 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:54:44 +0100 (WET DST) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020911085327.00a8de00@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:53:27 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" In-reply-to: <200209102029.g8AKTMX19136@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Longwave Activity Day Sept. 21/ 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group In Western Europe there is a weak but permanent carrier on 136.5KHz. 73, Brian At 22:29 10/09/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Dear Lowfers, > >over the weekend 21./ 22. September 2002 our club chapter "Hohenstaufen" DOK P41 will have an activity Day, from our district Wuerttremberg, on 136 kHz. > >Mode A1A, aural cw. We will use our club-call DK 0 UH and Operators calls. > >Locator JN48TM (Westerheim, South Germany, nr. Sturrgart). > >All LOWFER-Operators are kindly asked to be active on this weekend between Saturday afternoon and and Sunday afternoon. > >Frequency: 136.5 kHz >confirmaton traffic: 7.022 MHz, A1A, QSU >Requests please under E-Mail: HaffaHA@t-online.de or HaffaHA@web.de > >73 de >DK 8 ND >Hans-Albrecht Haffa >Chairman OV P41 >___________________________________________________________________________ ___ >Den Komfort von WEB.DE FreeMail nutzen, aber die alten E-Mail-Adressen nicht >aufgeben? Kein Problem: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021128 > > > > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1162 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 06:03:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 06:03:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4509 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 06:03:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 06:03:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17p0a5-0005rK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:02:29 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p0a4-0005rA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:02:28 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3d7edb8f5db8; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:58:39 +0700 (OSS) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:39:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Hz@yahoogroups.com In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > > Just now I have chat with Vlad on 20 meters. Vlad inform me he have > memory keyer and he will use it for QRSS beacon test very soon. > Vlad will be on 136 kHz until end of october. > > I'll foward all info from Vlad to the group. Just now Vlad inform me he is ready for QRSS beacon test. This hight from 17-00 UT 11 Sept to 04-00 UT 12 Sept he will transmit QRSS3 about 136.1 kHz. I do not know is this FREQ very exect. For short msg (less then 160 simbols) 6503561@sms.beemail.ru 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28391 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 22:34:21 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 22:34:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 28261 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Sep 2002 23:38:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 23:38:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17otZx-00059C-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:33:53 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17otZw-000592-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:33:52 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia02.phoenix.it [213.82.97.66]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8AMXoX02371 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:33:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c24c47$9bf7ea20$426152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c25916$7904b760$3d457bd5@main> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 16:56:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: re SXV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi hi hi Alan, i hope my little beacon is not so important that may switch on the SVX again hi hi hi.. But for prevent any form of interference with this service i have ordered just this morning a xtal at Quartslab Ltd for retune it at 135.710, so in few days i'll change the frequency at 135.710, were i'll implement also, after aural cw and qrss, the dfcw. 73 to all de IK2DED Giulio Scaroni. > Hi Giulio, well maybe they thought someone had annexed their frequency, a > little further north and they are laying claim to it again !! > > It looks like a spider frying session again. ....a good clean out of the ATU > capacitor and the inductor turns. Maybe a little bit of corona cleaning of > the insulators as well. They have done this sporadically this year but the > last time I heard them was about May. I say this, because they are using the > old FSK format and I suspect when it is used in earnest they will be using > one of the more sophisticated mod. modes available on their new TX. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17348 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 22:10:08 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 22:10:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 18285 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 22:10:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 22:10:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17otBK-00053Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:08:26 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17otBK-00053P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:08:26 +0100 Received: from host213-123-69-61.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.123.69.61] helo=main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17otBJ-0001kW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:08:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c25916$7904b760$3d457bd5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:03:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: re SXV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Giulio, well maybe they thought someone had annexed their frequency, a little further north and they are laying claim to it again !! It looks like a spider frying session again. ....a good clean out of the ATU capacitor and the inductor turns. Maybe a little bit of corona cleaning of the insulators as well. They have done this sporadically this year but the last time I heard them was about May. I say this, because they are using the old FSK format and I suspect when it is used in earnest they will be using one of the more sophisticated mod. modes available on their new TX. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20965 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 20:30:28 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 20:30:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14243 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Sep 2002 21:34:31 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 21:34:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ordx-0004oJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:29:53 +0100 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ordw-0004o1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:29:53 +0100 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g8AKTMX19136; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:29:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:29:22 +0200 Message-ID: <200209102029.g8AKTMX19136@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: DK1SB@darc.de Subject: LF: Longwave Activity Day Sept. 21/ 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Lowfers, over the weekend 21./ 22. September 2002 our club chapter "Hohenstaufen" DOK P41 will have an activity Day, from our district Wuerttremberg, on 136 kHz. Mode A1A, aural cw. We will use our club-call DK 0 UH and Operators calls. Locator JN48TM (Westerheim, South Germany, nr. Sturrgart). All LOWFER-Operators are kindly asked to be active on this weekend between Saturday afternoon and and Sunday afternoon. Frequency: 136.5 kHz confirmaton traffic: 7.022 MHz, A1A, QSU Requests please under E-Mail: HaffaHA@t-online.de or HaffaHA@web.de 73 de DK 8 ND Hans-Albrecht Haffa Chairman OV P41 ______________________________________________________________________________ Den Komfort von WEB.DE FreeMail nutzen, aber die alten E-Mail-Adressen nicht aufgeben? Kein Problem: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021128 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8907 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 20:13:28 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 20:13:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 11385 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 20:13:26 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 20:13:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17orMP-0004ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:11:45 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17orMP-0004jQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:11:45 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia02.phoenix.it [213.82.97.66]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g8AKBhX29081 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:11:43 +0200 Message-ID: <004201c24c33$baf42240$426152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020909154912.00af48f0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:34:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: SXV Back? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Yes also here the station is heard with very strong signal yesterday, but seems not active all the day. But this station is a commercial or military installation??? I'm afraid that with the winds of war that we have in Iraq and Middle East, all the communication system in Mediterranean area are in pre alarm.....hope to switch off very soon, and hope to haven't a new conflict!!!! 73 de Ik2DED Giulio Scaroni > Dear LF Group, > > This lunch time, heard fairly weak FSK on about 135.83kHz - maybe SXV back > again? The signal was down in the QRN, but easily audible. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24584 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 18:17:56 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 18:17:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 17942 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 18:17:56 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 18:17:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17opZJ-0004V9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:16:57 +0100 Received: from [213.40.2.15] (helo=bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17opZI-0004Ur-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:16:56 +0100 Received: from [213.40.207.4] (helo=tcs1) by bedpan.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.04) id 17ooqU-0001Rz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:30:39 +0100 From: "G4WGT" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: SXV ??? 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Hi to all at LF Group,

 

Being very very new to LF (136 Khz), can some one explain please?

 

What or Who is SXV ???

 

Thanks in anticipation.

 

Gary (G4WGT)

 

 

 

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Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010502040100050903010601" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, PORN_11version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010502040100050903010601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 9/10/02 12:01:00 AM, you wrote: >At 15:55 9/9/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >> Dear LF Group, >> >> This lunch time, heard fairly weak FSK on about 135.83kHz - maybe SXV back >> again? The signal was down in the QRN, but easily audible. > >Yes, they are active again... > >Too bad! > >Costas SV1XV Hi Costas and group.. Never seen this before as a newcomer [see attachment] is it allways active? It appeared around 17:00 to stop again at about 21:08.. 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V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17offr-0002mV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:43:03 +0100 Received: from [144.254.98.48] (helo=cisco.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17offq-0002mL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:43:02 +0100 Received: from virgin.net (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp145.cisco.com [10.50.0.144]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14734 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:42:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3D7DA24E.9A50B6D5@virgin.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:42:06 +0100 From: "Stewart Bryant" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Fw: LF reflector material Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group The rsgb_lf_group is being serviced by majordomo, which is one of the most widely used listeserver programs. This has the capability to automatically archive the postings. There are web programs that can then acesss the archive. So first off, we should ask the blacksheep owners if they can help us. Time to set it up and test it will be one issue. If it is a matter of disk space, then I am sure a disk can be donated. Once the system is running there is no overhead. As to the backlog, then I am sure that we can either find or write a program to convert the existing mails to the right format and place them in the archive directory. Stewart G3YSX John W Gould wrote: > > I endorse all comments - yes, it was discussed at the LF Forum, but I am not > aware that anyone has found a semi-automatic way of archiving the e-mails > with a simple browser-based retrieval mechanism. Like others I have all of > the e-mails - most of which are in MS Outlook, but also the earlier ones > which I have in Turnpike. Prior to the blacksheep.org reflector I have the > e-mails and letters /newsletters that were exchanged. > > I am sure that there must be something available. Perhaps we should progress > this during the LF Forum at this year's HF Convention > http://www.rsgb.org/hfc/ . Can anyone help with details of an automatic > archiver? > > John, G3WKL > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Pick > > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 16:18 > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: Re: Fw: LF reflector material > > > > > > Dave and Peter > > > > I do have a copy of all the reflector messages going back to February 1999 > > but it would be a mammoth job to get it all into a publishable form! > > How were you doing it Dave? > > > > I distill the more newsworthy items into the LF news pages and > > they are all > > on the web back to November 1998 in the "News Archive". Unfortunately this > > leaves out the technical discussions which would be interesting to refer > > back to. > > > > Cheers. > > Dave G3YXM > > http://www.wireless.org.uk > > > > > > > > > > Dave Brown ZL3FJ said: > > > > > > > > > PS- Isn't it about time someone organised a proper archive > > for all the > > > > > valuable information that flows through this reflector? > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4984 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 06:13:22 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 06:13:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7910 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 06:13:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 06:13:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17oeFf-0002Xj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:11:55 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oeFe-0002XZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:11:54 +0100 Received: from host213-122-115-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.115.161] helo=presario-1920) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17oeFd-0005S2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:11:54 +0100 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:14:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <004b01c2574a$fe33cfc0$1700a8c0@home> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: Fw: LF reflector material Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group I endorse all comments - yes, it was discussed at the LF Forum, but I am not aware that anyone has found a semi-automatic way of archiving the e-mails with a simple browser-based retrieval mechanism. Like others I have all of the e-mails - most of which are in MS Outlook, but also the earlier ones which I have in Turnpike. Prior to the blacksheep.org reflector I have the e-mails and letters /newsletters that were exchanged. I am sure that there must be something available. Perhaps we should progress this during the LF Forum at this year's HF Convention http://www.rsgb.org/hfc/ . Can anyone help with details of an automatic archiver? John, G3WKL -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Pick > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 16:18 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: Fw: LF reflector material > > > Dave and Peter > > I do have a copy of all the reflector messages going back to February 1999 > but it would be a mammoth job to get it all into a publishable form! > How were you doing it Dave? > > I distill the more newsworthy items into the LF news pages and > they are all > on the web back to November 1998 in the "News Archive". Unfortunately this > leaves out the technical discussions which would be interesting to refer > back to. > > Cheers. > Dave G3YXM > http://www.wireless.org.uk > > > > > > > Dave Brown ZL3FJ said: > > > > > > > PS- Isn't it about time someone organised a proper archive > for all the > > > > valuable information that flows through this reflector? > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21439 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 04:52:12 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 04:52:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23877 invoked by uid 10001); 10 Sep 2002 05:56:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 05:56:15 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ocze-0002NZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:51:18 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oczd-0002NP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 05:51:18 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA3d7d79290ba9 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:46:33 +0700 (OSS) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:27:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. Just now I have chat with Vlad on 20 meters. Vlad inform me he have memory keyer and he will use it for QRSS beacon test very soon. Vlad will be on 136 kHz until end of october. I'll foward all info from Vlad to the group. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 223 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 21:02:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 21:02:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3410 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 21:02:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 21:02:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17oVfU-0001Qi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:02:00 +0100 Received: from [195.167.28.4] (helo=aurora.eexi.gr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oVfL-0001QY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:01:52 +0100 Received: from s9o9f0.aurora.eexi.gr (ppp54.dialup.eexi.gr [195.167.28.118]) by aurora.eexi.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g89K9Y520753 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:09:36 +0300 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020910000036.0292ebd0@aurora.eexi.gr> X-Sender: sv1xv@aurora.eexi.gr (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:01:51 +0300 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020909154912.00af48f0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: SXV Back? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,NO_MX_FOR_FROMversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 15:55 9/9/2002 +0100, you wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > This lunch time, heard fairly weak FSK on about 135.83kHz - maybe SXV back > again? The signal was down in the QRN, but easily audible. Yes, they are active again... Too bad! Costas SV1XV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 168 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 14:57:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 14:57:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26954 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 14:57:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 14:57:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17oPwy-0000Rt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:55:40 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oPwv-0000Rj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:55:37 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17oPwv-0002er-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:55:37 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17oPwu-00067r-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:55:36 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020909154912.00af48f0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:55:35 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: SXV Back? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear LF Group, This lunch time, heard fairly weak FSK on about 135.83kHz - maybe SXV back again? The signal was down in the QRN, but easily audible. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13566 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 11:20:00 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 11:20:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 5538 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 11:19:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 11:19:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17oMYC-0008EO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:17:52 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oMYB-0008EE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:17:51 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17oMYB-0001D5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:17:51 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17oMY5-0002Ty-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:17:45 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020909114014.00ae07d8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:00:47 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <17nnxi-1pgtgvC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> References: <3D776418.96657BF2@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: who was it ? / RX3QFM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,SUBJ_HAS_Q_MARK,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 00:21 08/09/2002 +0200, you wrote: >Hi all, > >07.09.2002 at abt 1210utc on 137,704 kHz I copied the tail of a qrss >transmission. nothing else. see attachment. S+N/N = -51dB/-74dB. Dear Uwe, Marc, LF Group, That must have been me - I had QRSS QSOs with DF6NM and F6BWO on Saturday morning - also worked G3XIZ and PA0BWL on CW. Later on I could just hear DN1VLF (239) in QSO with DL3FDO (349) down in the QRN. I was not QRV on Sunday, but did see QRSS from DN1VLF (O), and nice Hell signals from DF6NM Also, From RX3QFM: GE dr Jim! Now tx 12wt 136.OO Ia .45A 15m vert 45m horizontal L ant. "CQ RX3QFM/B QTH KO91OO" CW 12LPM. 73! Vlad. The problem with 136.00kHz for me is the QRM present on the frequency - there are always a number of carriers very close to 136.000 kHz which sound like weak CW as they beat together. It would help a lot if Vlad could QSY up or down 100Hz Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 961 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 09:55:14 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 09:55:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 19057 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 09:03:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 09:03:26 -0000 X-SQ: A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17oKQ7-0007jo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:01:23 +0100 Received: from [80.68.3.204] (helo=relay.dx.ru) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oKQ5-0007je-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:01:22 +0100 Received: from ed.dx (ed.dx [10.0.1.11]) by relay.dx.ru (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8991JCY005349; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:01:19 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ed@dx.ru) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:01:35 +0300 From: "Ed Lesnichy" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <67495244339.20020909130135@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk In-reply-to: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: 136 LU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,PORN_11,SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hello LF Group, This is a forwarded message From: Tedd Mirgliotta (KB8NW) To: OPDX Bulletin Mailing List Date: Monday, September 09, 2002, 1:29:34 AM Subject: [rdxn] [OPDX] Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #577 =================Original message text=============== SB DX @ WW < KB8NW $OPDX.577 Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 577 The Ohio/Penn DX PacketCluster DX Bulletin No. 577 BID: $OPDX.577 September 9, 2002 Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NW Provided by BARF-80 BBS Cleveland, Ohio Online at 440-237-8208 28.8k-1200 Baud 8/N/1 136 KHZ. Roberto U. Beviglia, LU4BR, President of Radio Club Argentino, informs OPDX that as a result of a rule proposal made to the C.N.C. by the Radio Club Argentino, a portion of the 136 kHz band has been allocated to amateur service on a secondary basis in Argentina. The segment of 135.7 to 135.8 KHz will be coordinated by the Radio Club Argentino until it is finally asigned on a primary basis, in a term of one year. ==============End of original message text========== Error (???) 135.7 - 137.8(??) 73! Ed RU6LA mailto:ed@dx.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22773 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 07:10:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 07:10:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22972 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 05:07:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 05:07:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17oGjz-00075x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 06:05:39 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17oGjy-00075V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 06:05:38 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3d7c2b5f34cf for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:02:23 +0700 (OSS) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:43:25 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group. The last news from RX3QFM. TX is ready! Power abt 12 Watts. Now Vlad is building PA. Interesting observation by Vlad: after rein level of DCF39 increase 12 dB! 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13557 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 17:25:14 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 17:25:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 8312 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Sep 2002 16:23:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 16:23:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17o3p9-0005Wh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:18:07 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17o3p9-0005WX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:18:07 +0100 Received: from host217-35-46-167.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.46.167] helo=dellboy) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17o3p8-0000JZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:18:06 +0100 Message-ID: <004b01c2574a$fe33cfc0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000601c25719$fbab4660$4ec828c3@erica> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:18:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Fw: LF reflector material Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave and Peter I do have a copy of all the reflector messages going back to February 1999 but it would be a mammoth job to get it all into a publishable form! How were you doing it Dave? I distill the more newsworthy items into the LF news pages and they are all on the web back to November 1998 in the "News Archive". Unfortunately this leaves out the technical discussions which would be interesting to refer back to. Cheers. Dave G3YXM http://www.wireless.org.uk > > > > Dave Brown ZL3FJ said: > > > > > PS- Isn't it about time someone organised a proper archive for all the > > > valuable information that flows through this reflector? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 882 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 16:28:53 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 16:28:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18454 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 15:31:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 15:31:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17o428-0005ax-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:31:32 +0100 Received: from [194.134.35.175] (helo=smtp4.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17o427-0005an-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:31:32 +0100 Received: from nl9222@wanadoo (rot2-p2137.dial.wanadoo.nl [212.129.228.89]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 805F13E41D for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:31:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:31:22 +0100 From: "K.Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20020908153123.805F13E41D@smtp4.wanadoo.nl> Subject: LF: Sunday Fiddling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,PORN_14,PORN_11version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear all.. Good to see again: DN1VLF in CW calling cq DF6NM in MTHELL mixed mode qso with DN1VLF F6BWO in QRSS calling DN1VLF and a CW qso with PA0BWL More CW heard from DL3FDO, G3OLB, ON7ZO, PA0BWL and PA3DZP.. **CFH became visible around 14:10z here to dissapear again at 14:55z** Earlier this week received EA1PX 3Sec Qrss qso with M0BMU after local midnight EA1PX continued with 10 Sec Qrss, all O copy. Also traces of GI3KEV visible on Argo but just not loud enough for CW copy, in qso with M0BMU.. Using a Skanti R5001, a real pain to tune but it seems to work well down to 11Hz w/o preamp. I had to glue the clarifier for my 4 year old Harmonic to keep it on frequency, that's were the "fiddling" came from ;-) 73 Ko Versteeg, NL9222 [SWL] [Grid: JO22KE - Lat: 52° 12' 15.0"N Long: 04° 51' 40.5"E] Home of: Digital and Visual Amateur Radio Software http://home.wanadoo.nl/nl9222/index.htm Visiting Holland, Visit: http://www.acompany-bv.nl/ first. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17591 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 11:04:49 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 11:04:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 1682 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 10:29:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 10:29:24 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nzJD-0004u0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:28:51 +0100 Received: from [195.110.100.4] (helo=mail.dada.it) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nzJC-0004tq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:28:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 3714 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cestag) (195.110.102.64) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 10:28:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c25722$43c84c60$40666ec3@cestag> From: "cesare tagliabue" To: "LF group" Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:26:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: I: link address modified Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Cesare Tagliabue I 5 TGC WW-Loc JN53PS e-mail: cestag@dada.it url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: "cesare tagliabue" A: "LF group" Data invio: sabato 7 settembre 2002 16.21 Oggetto: link address modified > To all having in the bookmark or in the link page my old address ' > http://www.dadacasa.com ' > > This address has been used till > now as alias for my web site. Please change this address as follows: > http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it ,being the old address suppressed by > the provider. Many thanks and 73 Cesare > > Cesare Tagliabue I 5 TGC > WW-Loc JN53PS > e-mail: cestag@dada.it > url: http://dai5tgc.dadacasa.supereva.it > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24078 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 10:36:36 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 10:36:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16329 invoked by uid 10001); 8 Sep 2002 11:11:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 11:11:04 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nyxf-0004pe-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:06:35 +0100 Received: from [213.228.0.169] (helo=postfix3-2.free.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nyxe-0004pU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:06:34 +0100 Received: from veronique (toulouse-1-a7-62-147-34-63.dial.proxad.net [62.147.34.63]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 546F817EDD for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:06:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003d01c25720$b446bd20$0696ffbe@veronique> From: "f5maf" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3D776418.96657BF2@t-online.de> <17nnxi-1pgtgvC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:15:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: who was it ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi it's seem the same signal but at -100dB with indoor loop! 73 Marc (JN03PP) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: LF: who was it ? > Hi all, > > 07.09.2002 at abt 1210utc on 137,704 kHz I copied the tail of a qrss > transmission. nothing else. see attachment. S+N/N = -51dB/-74dB. > > BTW. Gus/SM6BHZ are you on this reflector ? > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8413 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 09:39:41 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 09:39:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 16232 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 09:15:48 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 09:15:48 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17ny9U-0004id-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:14:44 +0100 Received: from [212.135.6.10] (helo=smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17ny9T-0004iT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:14:43 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-78.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.78] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ny9S-0004BI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 10:14:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c25719$fbab4660$4ec828c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:26:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Fw: LF reflector material Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This was sent to the LF reflector but didn't seem to get there Give it another go ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3ldo" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: LF reflector material > > Dave Brown ZL3FJ said: > > > PS- Isn't it about time someone organised a proper archive for all the > > valuable information that flows through this reflector? I hate to think > > whats been lost already. It's the only one I subscribe to that doesn't > have > > one! If it needs a pound or two p.a. to support it thats fine with me. > > DB > > Three or four years ago, at an LF convention at Windsor, this aspect of > saving material from the LF reflector was discussed. I volunteered to do > this and made a start and the results can be seen on my website; but because > there was hardly any feedback so I did not continue. > However, I have continued to store the information under headings in Outlook > Express. For example there are 103 messages under Jason, 163 under coils and > 144 under LF antennas. Furthermore I do an archive save when the messages > reach the 1000 mark. > Editing this material is no small task. Many of the messages contain layers > of full scripts of previous messages, which all has to be sorted out. > I would be happy to archive this material if anyone thought it was > worthwhile. The way it is presented can be seen on my website. > The method I use is to convert each message into separate text files for > editing then import them into Frontpage for the web. > Is there an easier way of doing this? > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > e-mail > > Web > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11225 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 22:22:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 24213 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Sep 2002 23:27:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 23:27:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nny1-0002VU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:22:13 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.84] (helo=mailout09.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nny0-0002V8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 23:22:12 +0100 Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17nnxu-0006wv-04; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 00:22:06 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.13.104]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17nnxi-1pgtgvC; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:21:54 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3D776418.96657BF2@t-online.de> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:21:54 +0200 Message-ID: <17nnxi-1pgtgvC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: LF: who was it ? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070005050505090203090702" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.6 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_ENDS_IN_Q_MARK,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070005050505090203090702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, 07.09.2002 at abt 1210utc on 137,704 kHz I copied the tail of a qrss transmission. nothing else. see attachment. S+N/N = -51dB/-74dB. BTW. 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References: <3D799CCB.26598.30A67@localhost> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:21:53 +0200 Message-ID: <17nnxh-1pgtguC@fwd02.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: GI pedition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dave Sergeant schrieb: ...... > It looks like quite a few 136 chaps are now to be found on 5MHz. I > have just had my first few (CW) QSOs on the band and these include > Derek G3HEJ, Tom G3OLB, and Steve GW4ALG. Tom commented during our > 599 chat that it was very much easier than our QSOs on LF... > > Unlike others who seem to be modifying their Japanese black boxes, I > am doing it the real way with a home brew 5W crystal controlled rig. > Neither CW nor homebrewing are dead!! > > One of these days I shall unpack the 136 gear from its cardboard > box... > > 73s Dave G3YMC Hi Dave, wld u pse tell me the exact QRG you are transmitting on ? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18286 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 20:24:33 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 20:24:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 14807 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 20:24:05 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 20:24:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nm7P-0002FK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:23:47 +0100 Received: from [213.228.0.44] (helo=postfix3-1.free.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nm7O-0002F9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:23:46 +0100 Received: from veronique (bordeaux-2-a8-62-147-57-96.dial.proxad.net [62.147.57.96]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 73B69D9ED8 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:23:45 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <000d01c256ad$c16d6c60$0696ffbe@veronique> From: "f5maf" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000101c25697$1027f620$57f07ad5@main> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:32:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Qrss signal this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Ok Alan It seem that Jeff was O and Jim T with only 50 cm loop. With a new 11 meters top loaded antenna, I will on air in october. Best 73 Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: LF: Re: Qrss signal this morning > Hi Marc, both Jim M0BMU and Jeff F6BWO were on QRSS3 at about that time. I > was not really listening seriously as I was preparing to leave to house, so > I dont know which you heard. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: f5maf > To: VLF Group > Date: 07 September 2002 14:24 > Subject: LF: Qrss signal this morning > > > >Hi all, > > > >I m going to experiment an indoor loop antenna. > >This morning I received a QRSS signal on 137.7 I read only the end : > >"73 SQ" at 12:00 GMT. > >Who was on QSO? > > > >73 Marc > >F5MAF > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7371 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 20:18:57 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 20:18:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 18205 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Sep 2002 21:23:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 21:23:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nm20-0002C8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:18:12 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nm20-0002By-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 21:18:12 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia20.phoenix.it [213.82.97.84]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g87KI6A01697 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:18:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c24c21$b3aa2820$546152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c25689$a2523500$4f44073e@main> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:25:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: IK2DED beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alan, about the frequency is really few hertz below 135.800 KHZ. About timing also here is little annoing to stay for all the cicle to receive the 3 power levels, the message may be changed in this way: IK2DED/B LF BEACON JN55FO 2 or 3 times at 7 wpm full power then qrss IK2DED/B JN55FO PWR HIGH PWR MED PWR LOW then restart in normal cw In this way all the 3 power levels will be on the screen more or less alltogheter, beacouse the first part of message will be at 40 W, the "PWR MED" will be at 4 W, and "PWR LOW" will be at 0.4 W. Here at my home with a little ferrite antenna followed with the preampl described in setpember column of RADCOM LF page, i receive all 3 the power level in aural CW, but i'm very near to the beacon, about 20 KM far. So the lower power level is really useful also here to check different type of receiving antenna. 73 and thanks for wrote, Giulio Scaroni IK2DED. > Hi Giulio, I have a trace from 2330z to about 0245z at about 135.797, the > signal seems to be subject to quite a lot of fading, so there are periods > when the signal is not really copiable even at the 40w level. But I also > have traces of almost 15 minutes length where the signal is easily seen. > This should cover a complete power cycle. There do not seem to be gaps where > the low power level QRSS3 should be, so maybe even the low level was copied > on peaks of the fades. I really need to measure the timings more accurately > and work out how long each QRSS3 transmission would have been. This is > using ARGO in 10 sec mode and slow display.....it was done this way to have > a comparison of the stepped power levels all on screen at the same time. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11789 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 18:03:57 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 18:03:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9256 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 18:04:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 18:04:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17njw3-0001vj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:03:55 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17njw2-0001vZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:03:55 +0100 Received: from host213-122-12-155.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.12.155] helo=computer) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17njw2-0005mo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 19:03:54 +0100 Message-ID: <005b01c25699$04445f90$9b0c7ad5@computer> From: "Martin M0MGM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000101c25697$1027f620$57f07ad5@main> Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:04:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: ROPEX 136khz TX FOR SALE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sadly I have to accept that I am never going to get out on 136 from my QTH so have given up the idea. Purchased the Ropex as a starter at the beginning of the year which I now offer for sale unused to any sensible offer. Still listening / watching. Martin M0MGM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21895 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 17:50:43 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 17:50:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 21790 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Sep 2002 18:55:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 18:55:20 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17njjD-0001qa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:50:39 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17njjD-0001qQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:50:39 +0100 Received: from host213-122-240-87.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.240.87] helo=main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17njjC-00062K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:50:39 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c25697$1027f620$57f07ad5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:41:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Qrss signal this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Marc, both Jim M0BMU and Jeff F6BWO were on QRSS3 at about that time. I was not really listening seriously as I was preparing to leave to house, so I dont know which you heard. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: f5maf To: VLF Group Date: 07 September 2002 14:24 Subject: LF: Qrss signal this morning >Hi all, > >I m going to experiment an indoor loop antenna. >This morning I received a QRSS signal on 137.7 I read only the end : >"73 SQ" at 12:00 GMT. >Who was on QSO? > >73 Marc >F5MAF > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28676 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 16:15:31 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 16:15:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 21002 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 16:15:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 16:15:55 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17niEE-0001YW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:14:34 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17niEE-0001YM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:14:34 +0100 Received: from host62-7-68-79.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.68.79] helo=main) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17niED-0005Ch-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:14:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c25689$a2523500$4f44073e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:48:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: IK2DED beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Giulio, I have a trace from 2330z to about 0245z at about 135.797, the signal seems to be subject to quite a lot of fading, so there are periods when the signal is not really copiable even at the 40w level. But I also have traces of almost 15 minutes length where the signal is easily seen. This should cover a complete power cycle. There do not seem to be gaps where the low power level QRSS3 should be, so maybe even the low level was copied on peaks of the fades. I really need to measure the timings more accurately and work out how long each QRSS3 transmission would have been. This is using ARGO in 10 sec mode and slow display.....it was done this way to have a comparison of the stepped power levels all on screen at the same time. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21128 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 13:26:03 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 13:26:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 29241 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Sep 2002 14:28:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 14:28:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nfY0-0001H5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:22:48 +0100 Received: from [213.228.0.44] (helo=postfix3-1.free.fr) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nfY0-0001Gv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:22:48 +0100 Received: from veronique (toulouse-1-a7-62-147-33-217.dial.proxad.net [62.147.33.217]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 991F1D9EEC for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:22:46 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <002801c25672$f1948c60$0696ffbe@veronique> From: "f5maf" To: "VLF Group" Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:31:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Qrss signal this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACESversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, I m going to experiment an indoor loop antenna. This morning I received a QRSS signal on 137.7 I read only the end : "73 SQ" at 12:00 GMT. Who was on QSO? 73 Marc F5MAF --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26550 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 05:28:10 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 05:28:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 1306 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 05:28:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 05:28:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nY8l-0000H8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:28:15 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nY8k-0000Gy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:28:14 +0100 Received: from host213-122-98-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.98.136] helo=dave) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17nY8k-0004aB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:28:14 +0100 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:29:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3D799CCB.26598.30A67@localhost> In-reply-to: <000c01c25503$887188c0$8ae8fc3e@l8p8y6> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-Description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: GI pedition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TOversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group On 5 Sep 2002 at 18:41, hamilton mal wrote: > A few minutes ago I worked my first 5 mhz CW qso with a GM station. > There are a lot of CW qso's taking place at the moment on the new 5 > mhz band, who said CW was dead!!!!!! It looks like quite a few 136 chaps are now to be found on 5MHz. I have just had my first few (CW) QSOs on the band and these include Derek G3HEJ, Tom G3OLB, and Steve GW4ALG. Tom commented during our 599 chat that it was very much easier than our QSOs on LF... Unlike others who seem to be modifying their Japanese black boxes, I am doing it the real way with a home brew 5W crystal controlled rig. Neither CW nor homebrewing are dead!! One of these days I shall unpack the 136 gear from its cardboard box... 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 545 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 04:45:59 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 04:45:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22656 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Sep 2002 05:50:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 05:50:25 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nXTS-0000A5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:45:34 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nXTR-00009v-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:45:33 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu08.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.120]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA3d7983ad1e35 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:42:21 +0700 (OSS) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:23:20 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020906180803.029c9338@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODY,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Jim and Group. > Many thanks for relaying Vlad's report - do you know his QTH or other details? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU By few short msg from Vlad I know as follows. He use FT840 + upconverter + noise canceller. Main ant is L-ant 45 m H, 15 m V. For noise cancelling additional 7 m GP is used. QTH loc is KO91OO. Very soon (one-two days) he shold finish QRP TX 5 W. Unfortunely now Vlad is out of city (village house) where he has no computer for QRSS. I think he shell work QRSS from main location in future. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25694 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 23:23:17 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 23:23:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16342 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 23:23:39 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 23:23:39 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nSR7-0007yq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:22:49 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.93] (helo=rhenium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nSR7-0007yg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:22:49 +0100 Received: from host62-7-18-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.18.159] helo=main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17nSR5-0007dU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 00:22:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c255fc$3d2a5820$9f12073e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 00:21:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Giulio's beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, couuld somone confirm that Giulio's beacon is running about 2.8Hz low now ?? I am running ARGO in a longer dot mode so I cannot decode the trace. Evev so, I doubt whether I will see anything but the highest power here tonight. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24613 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 20:03:17 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 20:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23529 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 20:02:24 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 20:02:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nPHS-0007aK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:00:38 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nPHR-0007aA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:00:37 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia14.phoenix.it [213.82.97.78]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g86K0Zg25267 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:00:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c24c19$4c360fe0$4e6152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:22:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: IK2DED/B beacon news. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi to all,
finally i have implemented the variable power level in the beacon, now the mode and message are like below:
 
start with
IK2DED/B LF BEACON JN55FO     3 times speed 7 wpm power 40 W
then
IK2DED/B JN55FO                        1 time qrss3 power 40 W
then
IK2DED/B LF BEACON JN55FO    3 times speed 7 wpm power 40 W
then
IK2DED/B JN55FO                        1 time qrss3 power 4 W
then
IK2DED/B LF BEACON JN55FO    3 times speed 7 wpm power 40 W
then
IK2DED/B JN55FO                        1 time qrss3 power 0.4 W
end
 
The time between the end of qrss message and the start of the next qrss message is 300 seconds, in this time the ID at 7 wpm go for 3 times at full power.
Someone would try to receive the qrss at 0.4 W into the antenna?????
 
73 to all de Giulio Scaroni IK2DED.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12474 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 17:14:45 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 17:14:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 20585 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 17:13:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 17:13:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nMf3-0007Fs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:12:49 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nMf2-0007Fi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:12:49 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17nMf2-0007Ct-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:12:48 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17nMf0-0006ff-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:12:46 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020906180803.029c9338@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:12:45 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 21:09 06/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: >...Vlad just inform me that he have recived M0BMU RST 229 yesterday. >Seems it was CW (Vlad do not write me about mode). > >73 de RA9MB/Alex >http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb Dear Alex, Many thanks for relaying Vlad's report - do you know his QTH or other details? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12109 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 14:24:58 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 14:24:58 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 28164 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 14:25:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 14:25:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nK1z-0006iC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:24:19 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nK1y-0006i2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:24:18 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17nK1x-0003SP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:24:17 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17nK1v-00003E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:24:15 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020906150530.00a8b358@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:24:13 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz/ EA1PX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group At 21:09 06/09/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Vlad just inform me that he have recived M0BMU RST 229 yesterday. >Seems it was CW (Vlad do not write me about mode). > >73 de RA9MB/Alex >http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb Dear Alex, Vlad, LF Group, Very pleased to get a report - I didn't think it would work, but it just goes to show it's worth trying :-) I transmitted some test signals between 2200 and 0000 utc last night - these were QRSS3 with 9wpm CW identifiers, so I guess Vlad must have heard the CW. I put up the temporary 13m mast I was using last winter, so ERP should have been close to 1W. I'll try something similar again tonight. Also thanks to Jose, EA1PX for sending a .wav file of the same test signals The CW was also clearly readable in Spain last night, so I expect G<->EA QSOs should be quite easy for several other stations. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24553 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 13:47:39 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 13:47:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12616 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 13:46:45 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 13:46:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nJQI-0006YL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:45:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.20] (helo=post.omnieng.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nJQI-0006YB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:45:22 +0100 Received: from astral.infomsk.ru ([212.164.44.2] helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.omnieng.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17nJQG-0007Db-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:45:20 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu04.dialup1.infomsk.ru [212.164.45.196]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA3d78ad902c49 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:28:48 +0700 (OSS) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:09:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-reply-to: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group! On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > Very soon RX3QFM (Vlad) will TX on 136 kHz. TX output is 5 watts only yet. > But antenna height is 45 m! Now he is ready to RX. Vlad copy DCF39 56 db > over noise. > > Unfortunely Vlad has no regular E-mail. Calular GSM phone SMS for short > (less then 160 simbols) msg only: 6503561@sms.beemail.ru Vlad just inform me that he have recived M0BMU RST 229 yesterday. Seems it was CW (Vlad do not write me about mode). 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24070 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 13:17:14 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 13:17:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 14317 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 13:17:34 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 13:17:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nIyR-0006QL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:16:35 +0100 Received: from [62.253.162.43] (helo=mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nIyR-0006QB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:16:35 +0100 Received: from default ([62.253.44.47]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020906131634.GQPI23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@default> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:16:34 +0100 Message-ID: <006001c255a7$8a8ea9e0$2f2cfd3e@default> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c25527$14cc1600$fb6e01d5@main> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:15:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: W & G manuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0tests=UPPERCASE_25_50version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi Alan Try Baginton Electronics Market Corner Baginton Coventry West Midlands CV8 3AA Business Type: RADIO COMMUNICATION EQPT Tel: 024 7630 2668 73s Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23468 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 09:02:49 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 09:02:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 10411 invoked by uid 10001); 6 Sep 2002 10:07:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 10:07:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17nF06-0005is-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:02:02 +0100 Received: from [203.109.254.41] (helo=grunt1.ihug.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17nF05-0005ii-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:02:01 +0100 Received: from p114-tnt1.chc.ihug.co.nz (athlon) [203.173.227.114] by grunt1.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17nF01-0006li-00; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:01:58 +1200 Message-ID: <0d8d01c25584$1f292770$0101a8c0@athlon> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c25527$14cc1600$fb6e01d5@main> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:02:24 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: W & G manuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Alan If you don't get any 'local' offers get back to me. I definitely have the PS12/SPM12 manuals (or at least my database sez I have!) and fairly sure I have those for the PS3/SPM3- just not yet indexed 'em yet, along with about a hundred or so others! As far as the actual gear goes, I have a set of both- very handy. Although I hate to think just how many SLMs I do have here now- probably at least a dozen! One thing to watch for is that in some cases there are two variants of the manuals for these SLMs and level oscillators- an operators version with no cctry info and a full service info one-the latter of course having all cctry info and is therefore the one to get. I think Siemens were more into doing this than W&G, but it's worth keeping in mind. 73 Dave ZL3FJ PS- Isn't it about time someone organised a proper archive for all the valuable information that flows through this reflector? I hate to think whats been lost already. It's the only one I subscribe to that doesn't have one! If it needs a pound or two p.a. to support it thats fine with me. DB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: LF: W & G manuals > Hi all.......Oh dear this has come up before but I have lost all my old > messages !! > > I have just acquired an SPM-12 and matching PS-12 , and I can see why some > of you were raving about them....... nice bits of kit. I know I can get the > manuals for these from Cooke Int. at not too bad a price. It would be nice > to get the synchroniser in the SPM-12 to control the PS12 ( a cable with a > pair of 5pin 270 deg. DIN plugs, I think) otherwise it wont stay in the 25Hz > filter. I have a manual for my SPM-3 but I have also just found a PS-3. This > is the matching generator with the capability of being controlled by the > SPM-3 so making a tracking source.....very useful for bridge measurements on > aerials, as they are a bit more portable that the SPM-12, and have working > internal batteries. The only problem is that neither Cooke of any of the > other manual sources I have lists for have a manual for the PS-3. Does > anyone have a spare copy, or a manual that could be copied. > > For that matter does anyone have an SPM-12 (and / or PS-12) manual that > they want to sell. It would be nice to keep the support in the Group. I > suspect from the size the the later kit that the manuals are quite thick so > may be a chore to copy, but if not I would be happy with a copy. That is > probably all I will get from the commercial sources. > > Well at least it gets some activity on the reflector !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > alan.melia@btinternet.com > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14225 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 21:57:45 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 21:57:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 8785 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 21:58:17 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 21:58:17 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17n4ch-0004Gk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:57:11 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17n4ch-0004Ga-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:57:11 +0100 Received: from host213-1-110-251.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.110.251] helo=main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17n4cf-0004cT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 22:57:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c25527$14cc1600$fb6e01d5@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:45:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: W & G manuals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all.......Oh dear this has come up before but I have lost all my old messages !! I have just acquired an SPM-12 and matching PS-12 , and I can see why some of you were raving about them....... nice bits of kit. I know I can get the manuals for these from Cooke Int. at not too bad a price. It would be nice to get the synchroniser in the SPM-12 to control the PS12 ( a cable with a pair of 5pin 270 deg. DIN plugs, I think) otherwise it wont stay in the 25Hz filter. I have a manual for my SPM-3 but I have also just found a PS-3. This is the matching generator with the capability of being controlled by the SPM-3 so making a tracking source.....very useful for bridge measurements on aerials, as they are a bit more portable that the SPM-12, and have working internal batteries. The only problem is that neither Cooke of any of the other manual sources I have lists for have a manual for the PS-3. Does anyone have a spare copy, or a manual that could be copied. For that matter does anyone have an SPM-12 (and / or PS-12) manual that they want to sell. It would be nice to keep the support in the Group. I suspect from the size the the later kit that the manuals are quite thick so may be a chore to copy, but if not I would be happy with a copy. That is probably all I will get from the commercial sources. Well at least it gets some activity on the reflector !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28288 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 18:28:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 18:28:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 3800 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 18:29:23 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 18:29:23 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17n1Lp-0003sL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:27:33 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17n1Lp-0003sB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:27:33 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.232.138]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020905182728.FVRX27461.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:27:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c25503$887188c0$8ae8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:41:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: GI pedition Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0tests=SUPERLONG_LINEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I have been in GI/Tyrone (IO64PO) this past 3 weeks and although the band conditions were excellent there was very little acty. I did work a few G stations and heard others and ON6ND was strong but he did not hear me. I was running about 100 watts to a 120 feet vertical, top loaded with a couple of 300 feet horiz wires on top and some ground radials about the same length.
The system resonated well with a base loading coil of about 1.2 mh. The qth is very quiet and ideal for LF, the rx on 136 just sounded like the 2metre band.
 
A few minutes ago I worked my first 5 mhz CW qso with a GM station. There are a lot of CW qso's
taking place at the moment on the new 5 mhz band, who said CW was dead!!!!!!
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10032 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 14:04:35 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 14:04:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 16031 invoked by uid 10001); 5 Sep 2002 14:09:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 14:09:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mxES-0003GC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:03:40 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.84] (helo=mailout09.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mxES-0003G2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:03:40 +0100 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17mxEM-0005sq-09; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:03:34 +0200 Received: from t-online.de (0307467486-0001@[217.87.19.69]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17mxDz-1Kne3EC; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:03:11 +0200 Message-ID: <3D776418.96657BF2@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:03:04 +0200 From: "Klaus Ollesch" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD DT (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Sender: 0307467486-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0tests=SUBJ_MISSINGversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hallo OM's we are on air at the Fieldday from Sept. 7, 10.00 UTC to Sept.8, 10.00UTC from Berlin with a 120 meter vertical antenne Call is DK0CQ ore DN1VLF Special Frequencies are 136,72 KHz and 137,72 kHz(QRSS) best regards Klaus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2269 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 12:48:56 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 12:48:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 9508 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 12:48:01 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 12:48:01 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mw1h-0002wv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:46:25 +0100 Received: from [195.92.195.177] (helo=cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mw1g-0002wl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:46:24 +0100 Received: from modem-68.new-hampshire.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.80.68] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mw1e-0000HG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:46:23 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c254db$1cb39f60$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:51:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: T/A reception reports. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All, I am preparing a short presentation for the Convention in October, re. the reception of my 73kHz signals on 20Nov. and 21Nov 2001, I am particularly interested in propagation. I was actually transmitting over several weeks and it is interesting that no reports other than that from W1TAG were recieved.I know that W4DEX was looking although he saw nothing. If anyone else over there was looking please let me know ,even though nothing was seen. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13252 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 05:27:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 05:27:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2010 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 05:26:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 05:26:26 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mp96-00023D-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:25:36 +0100 Received: from [212.164.44.2] (helo=astral.omskcity.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mp96-000233-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 06:25:36 +0100 Received: from fitec.omskcity.com (mu04.dialup2.infomsk.ru [212.164.44.116]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA3d76e9c80608 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:21:12 +0700 (OSS) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:02:07 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RX3QFM on 136 kHz Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi, Group! Very soon RX3QFM (Vlad) will TX on 136 kHz. TX output is 5 watts only yet. But antenna height is 45 m! Now he is ready to RX. Vlad copy DCF39 56 db over noise. Unfortunely Vlad has no regular E-mail. Calular GSM phone SMS for short (less then 160 simbols) msg only: 6503561@sms.beemail.ru 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19345 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 17:24:14 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 17:24:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 10625 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 17:24:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 17:24:28 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mdqy-0000W8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:22:08 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mdqx-0000Vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:22:07 +0100 Received: from host62-7-109-113.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.109.113] helo=j1r9b7) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17mdqu-00072P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:22:05 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c25436$8508aa60$716d073e@j1r9b7> From: "Derek Atter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <55.2b797b77.2a843a49@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:03:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: FIRST EA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0tests=DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,SUPERLONG_LINE,MAILTO_LINKversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
From Derek Atter G3GRO
 
Re the earlier discussion on cross-band LF DX
 
I have been off-line for a couple of weeks or so due to family visitors so my apologies for a belated response to David G0MRF's query regarding the log from the UK group working from the old Puckeridge Decca station 14/15/16 April 2000 using the G3GRO call with a special permit. 
  The best DX working cross-band from 136 kHz to 7Mhz was in fact Alex, UB5WF in KN58JQ at 2225km as David indicated with a Tx power on 136Khz of 50W ERP.
 
                                                73,  Derek Atter G3GRO
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: FIRST EA
 
< David Wrote>
I thought the Matrix was for 136k - 136k QSOs ?
If cross band QSOs count then maybe Derek should have a quick look at the Puckeridge logs. With 50 Watts ERP  I seem to recall working Russia and several Eastern European countries cross band to 7 MHz. ( Not to mention VE1 - G in 9/00)

73

David  G0MRF
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7398 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 17:23:56 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 17:23:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19248 invoked by uid 10001); 4 Sep 2002 17:29:30 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 17:29:30 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mdqz-0000WM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:22:09 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mdqz-0000WC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:22:09 +0100 Received: from host62-7-109-113.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.109.113] helo=j1r9b7) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17mdqy-00072P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 18:22:08 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c25436$87328f40$716d073e@j1r9b7> From: "Derek Atter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:13:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: E-field antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Herewith a correction to my note re E-field antennas. The active antennas in fact both used approx 1m whip and not 3m as indicated in my note. ( I must have been thinking in feet and writing in metres !!). As I indicated later in the note, I found that there appeared to be little advantage in using a whip more than about 1m long. 73, Derek Atter G3GRO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Atter" To: Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: LF: Re: E-field antennas > Hi all, > > Re Alan Melia's posting on E-field antennas (Aug. 25th), I confirm his > comment that I did carry out a number of tests on two E-field active > antennas each having roughly a 3m whip, one an ex-Decca Navigator design > using op-amps, and the other an AMRAD high dynamic range design using a > Crystalonics high current FET and published in QST in September last year (I > think it was).Both of these designs feed DC up the coax to the active > element. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7019 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 13:39:07 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 13:39:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11951 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Sep 2002 13:43:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 13:43:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mDqe-0007In-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:36:04 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mDqe-0007Ic-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:36:04 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17mDqT-0006FJ-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:35:53 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17mDqH-0004lf-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:35:42 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020903135042.00a89410@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:35:40 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9__Manuel?= From: "James Moritz" In-reply-to: <000a01c252dc$b58e9ba0$5c0f073e@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: QSO EA1PX <-> M0BMU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020508070605080408000102" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,DEAR_SOMEBODY,SUBJ_ALL_CAPSversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020508070605080408000102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Jose, LF Group, Many thanks to Jose for the 2-way QRSS3 QSO with EA1PX last night. I wasn't sure if Jose would be QRV, but I left the RX on, and saw good CQ calls some time after 2100utc. Then I had to spend 10 minutes frantically re-connecting the TX cables I had just disconnected for another experiment before I could reply! The QSO was straightforward, with "O" reports both ways, although the signal was not audible (see attachment). Jose spent some time sending CQs at 10 seconds per dot after the QSO, but there did not seem to be anyone else active. Here I was running the usual 1.2kW TX to 9m high inv. L antenna (measured at 0.44W ERP), with an active loop RX antenna and RA1792 receiver - I would be interested to know more about EA1PX's station. The path from G to northern EA seems to be quite consistent - our previous cross-band QSO was in the morning; I noticed only slight QSB on Jose's signal last night. I expect many other stations would also be able to work this path, and would expect normal CW to be possible when conditions are quieter. 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Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28545 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 09:35:35 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 09:35:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 27623 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 09:34:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 09:34:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17mA4A-0006gh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:33:46 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.1] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17mA49-0006gX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:33:45 +0100 Received: from uadvg130.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.130) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 09:33:29 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.67] by uadvg130.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 544gicJhh0487M30; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 09:33:33 GMT Message-ID: <3D7481E3.315652FD@usa.net> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:33:23 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <68.24f982d1.2aa342a6@aol.com> <3D735909.527CF321@usa.net> <17m1PJ-0usNBgC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> Subject: LF: Montichiari hamfest Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Last weekend there has been the Montichiari hamfest, where Giulio IK2DED had installed a nice demo stand for LF, equipped with a Rohde&Schwarz EKD receiver, a ferrite loop antenna, and a PC running Speclab and Argo. Many visitors, we hope to have gained some new LF adept. A picture of the stand, with the on-duty 'officers' (IK2PII, IK2DED, I2PHD, I2SG and I2FGT) can be found here : http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/montichiari.html 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2866 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 07:50:44 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 07:50:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5687 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 07:51:06 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 07:51:05 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17m8RU-0006Or-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:49:44 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.132] (helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17m8RU-0006Oh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:49:44 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.41.219]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020903074933.HBWU20297.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:49:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c2531e$7cb42420$db2965d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <131.1339a849.2aa546b6@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:05:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Re: The Code Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Ray, > ..--. > > Is that one of those Swedish letters, or did you mean to say ..--.. ? No, ..--. is '!'. 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5338 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 00:19:25 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 00:19:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 17055 invoked by uid 10001); 3 Sep 2002 00:24:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 00:24:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17m1Pb-0005qA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 01:19:19 +0100 Received: from [194.25.134.84] (helo=mailout09.sul.t-online.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17m1Pa-0005q0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 01:19:19 +0100 Received: from fwd08.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17m1PR-00009Y-01; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 02:19:09 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.158.13.102]) by fwd08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17m1PJ-0usNBgC; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:19:01 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <68.24f982d1.2aa342a6@aol.com> <3D735909.527CF321@usa.net> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:19:01 +0200 Message-ID: <17m1PJ-0usNBgC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: LF: Argo-SpecLab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.7 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMSversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: **** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Alberto di Bene schrieb: >> >About Uwe's question, frankly I have no answer... Uwe, how does that level >meter >behave when no >program (neither Argo nor Speclab) is running ? That could give some hints. > >73 Alberto I2PHD Hi Alberto es Wolf, tks for the answers. 1. PCI in case neither Argo nor SpecLab is running the level meter of the PCI 64V-mixer is dark like a night in winter with rain clouded sky in the northern part of the northern hemisphere far off civilization, ie no reaction. spectran does "cooperate" with the PCI 64V, but not fully: the level meter runs but the input signal takes mysterious tracks and does not come to the surface agn. the signal hits the WAVE bus instead of the LINE (or the MIKE).if moving the level "knob" of Spectran by mouse click the WAVE knob corresponds. 2. SB16 the level meter of the SB16 mixer is switched off and is off screen when running Argo or Spectran. when running SpecLab the level meter is switched off but still on screen. in case all programs are off the level meter is running. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23842 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 00:01:23 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 00:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 10042 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 00:00:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 00:00:33 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17m16h-0005ld-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:59:47 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17m16h-0005lT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:59:47 +0100 Received: from host62-7-15-92.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.15.92] helo=main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17m16X-0004Fs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 00:59:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c252dc$b58e9ba0$5c0f073e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 00:34:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Congrats Jim and Jose Manuel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi All, Jim M0BMU made a nice QRSS3 two way with Jose Manuel EA1PX last night at 2100z. Does that count as the first G<>EA 2-way?? I think Mal's qso was a crossband. Jose's signal was cut up a little by the static here but was readable on my 'small' aerial. Jose has some problems I think, in that he has to use a Hammer Drill to put in an ground connection !! ....and when he gets it the Rloss is hundreds of ohms. I believe he only has about 100 watts. Well done both.....does this augur well for the winter this year?? Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10313 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:59:24 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:59:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10086 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Sep 2002 23:03:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:03:34 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17m08Y-0005e4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:57:38 +0100 Received: from [205.188.157.42] (helo=imo-d10.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17m08X-0005du-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:57:37 +0100 Received: from RaySoifer@cs.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.131.1339a849 (4320) for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:56:55 -0400 (EDT) From: RaySoifer@cs.com Message-ID: <131.1339a849.2aa546b6@cs.com> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:56:54 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10511 Subject: Re: LF: Re: The Code Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi,

..--.

Is that one of those Swedish letters, or did you mean to say ..--..  ?

73,

Ray, W2RS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2583 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 21:53:51 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 21:53:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 1614 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 21:53:00 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 21:53:00 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lz7P-0005Vj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:52:23 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.130] (helo=fep02-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lz7P-0005VZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:52:23 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.227]) by fep02-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020902215212.FXFE16138.fep02-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:52:12 +0200 Message-ID: <017001c252cb$0a047c20$e32465d5@oemcomputer> From: "... -- -.... .-.. -.- --" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20020902211435.640DE5B12A@smtp1.wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:52:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: The Code Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group .... .. -.- --- --..-- - .... .- - .-- .- ... .- -. .. -.-. . .--. --- . -- ..--. -.-. ..- .-.. --... ...-- -.. . ... -- -.... .-.. -.- -- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14148 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 21:15:34 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 21:15:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24329 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 21:16:04 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 21:16:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lyX4-0005PE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:14:50 +0100 Received: from [194.134.35.136] (helo=smtp1.wanadoo.nl) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lyX4-0005P4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:14:50 +0100 Received: from nl9222@wanadoo (p2421.vwr.wanadoo.nl [194.134.217.126]) by smtp1.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 640DE5B12A for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:14:35 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:14:22 +0100 From: "K.Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <20020902211435.640DE5B12A@smtp1.wanadoo.nl> Subject: LF: The Code Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Group. Gary Spence, VA2CK/VA3QC/KA0PLO, has been kind enough to submit the following article. CK's Ode To Dah Code by Gary Spence We' ve all heard the cry "abandon the code!, it's useless outdated, NOT a mod-er-n mode!" So I said to myself,"could codes' day really be over? Best left for SKs' fer-til-iz-n' the clover?" So off went my paddle 'n keyer to a museum, so those curious of our "past" could drop in an' see um. I then bought a computer and a box I was told... would update my station,using all hi-tech modes. It then was set up,all by my own hand... the screen it lit up et voilà Heard Is-land! I switched to transmit to" talk with this gent" but my screen read "sorry, can't copy 100%!" "There's static,interference if you could hear it you'd agree... if it ain't armchair copy we machines cry c'est la vie!" It then said "there is as YOU know a way to get through, it's called the code,and what luck for you!" "You've learned this art,you "stuck it out" 'tis a valuable tool,there isn't a doubt." "You' ve invested your time,and besides the code you did learn, possession of valuable skills must be... EARNED!" So I say to you now don't get fooled when some say... "Codes an' old dinosaur fadin' away!" It's part of our past,present and future existence... anti-coders prepare for "beaucoup de resistence" 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9957 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 12:44:56 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:44:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11260 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 12:44:07 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:44:07 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lqYE-0003Q8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:43:30 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.111] (helo=gadolinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lqYD-0003Py-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:43:30 +0100 Received: from host217-39-0-162.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.39.0.162] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17lqY5-0003qd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:43:21 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c2527e$62f25200$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:43:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Roundtable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINKversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear all.
 
I am in the process of putting the November LF column together. Can someone do me a quick summary of what went on at the round table? Did anyone take a picture?
 
As always; if anyone has any news or pictures that would interest the Radcom readers (and is to do with LF!) please contact me.
 
Thanks
 
Dave Pick G3YXM.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1327 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 12:37:42 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 5191 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 12:38:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:38:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lqSF-0003MN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:37:19 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.2] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lqSF-0003MD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:37:19 +0100 Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.136) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:36:49 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.66] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 087giBmli0416M36; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:37:11 GMT Message-ID: <3D735B69.1EC03538@usa.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:36:57 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> <001f01c24bf7$599c0e40$4e6152d5@it> <003001c251f9$ed27a4a0$ad2465d5@oemcomputer> Subject: LF: Re: E-field antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Johan Bodin wrote: > Dear All, > > Giulio Scaroni wrote: > > > So i'm planning to made an Amrad antenna, i have send a request at > > Crystalonics for high current FET. > > Has anyone tried a small power MOSFET as input stage in an active > antenna? I am thinking of BS170, 2N7000 and similar transistors. I tried a VN10KM, a VMOS by Siliconix. When adequately biased (it is an enhancement MOS) it works, but, in my opinion, the intermodulation products, though low, could be a bit lower (but take note that as far as intermod is concerned, I am a difficult man to please..:-). I am waiting for the order of Giulio to Crystalonics to be fullfilled, so to build myself the AMRAD active whip. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6585 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 12:28:55 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:28:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 23546 invoked by uid 10001); 2 Sep 2002 12:34:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:34:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lqIU-0003Fu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:27:14 +0100 Received: from [165.212.11.110] (helo=cmsoutbound.mx.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lqIT-0003Fk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:27:13 +0100 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (HELO cmsoutbound.mx.net) (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 12:26:59 -0000 Received: from usa.net [32.97.110.66] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 691giBmbF0448M29; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:27:05 GMT Message-ID: <3D735909.527CF321@usa.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 14:26:49 +0200 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <68.24f982d1.2aa342a6@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: Argo-SpecLab Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0tests=CTYPE_JUST_HTMLversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group jannsen wrote:
I observed that the input level to the soundcard
- Soundblaster with PCI 64V - is indicated on screen by its mixer
when using Argo.

if SpecLab is used there is no indication - see attachment.
how come that? is it intenionally done?

DL4YHF@aol.com wrote:
I think one of the differences between Argo and SpecLab is, that SpecLab makes no attempt at all to change the soundcard's mixer settings (you must do that manually) while Argo has a kind of setup routine which modifies the settings to achieve a reasonable input level (that means without overloading the analog input and without wasting too much of the ADC's resolution).
Uwe, Wolf and the group,

   Wolf is mixing up Spectran and Argo....  what Wolf describes is more or less what Spectran does,
but not Argo... Spectran, as it does real-time filtering of the audio signal to apply bandpass, noise reduction
and CW peaking filters, needs to use the sound card in full-duplex mode.  This implies messing a bit up
with the mixer.  Argo, on the other side, just reads from the sound card the incoming audio, no audio output
is done by it, so Argo keeps its fingers far away from the mixer... the compatibility problems that
Spectran experiences with some sound cards (notably the PCI-64 and some laptop chips) derive from this,
i.e. the variety of different mixer implementation architectures found around, thanks to the sloppy specifications
in this area published by some Bill's underling.

About Uwe's question, frankly I have no answer... Uwe, how does that level meter behave when no
program (neither Argo nor Speclab) is running ? That could give some hints.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8418 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 02:20:34 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 02:20:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 2473 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 02:20:54 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 02:20:54 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lgoA-0000t4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 03:19:18 +0100 Received: from [216.93.66.202] (helo=mail3.mx.voyager.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lgoA-0000su-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 03:19:18 +0100 Received: from k6500 (d12.as3.mpls.mn.voyager.net [169.207.249.236] (may be forged)) by mail3.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id g822J9K42355 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:19:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <200209011722.g81HMxX12463@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Importance: Normal X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail3.mx.voyager.net id g822J9K42355 Subject: LF: RE: Re:Skin-effect cores, from DK 8 ND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0tests=IN_REP_TO,FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,MAY_BE_FORGED,DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Thank you Hans for explaining this in English. 73's, Mike>WE0H http://www.we0h.us/lf.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hans-Albrecht Haffa Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:23 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re:Skin-effect cores, from DK 8 ND Dear Mike, I gave to Uwe two hints in German books to the topic skin effect. To find the eqations or curves for the thickness of the conductive layer as a functon of thickness (diameter) and frequency, You probably must search the library of the next engineering school or technical university. 73, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 31.08.02 02:55:01: > Hey, not fair. I can't read German if that is what this is. > > Mike>WE0H > http://www.we0h.us/lf.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf > Of Hans-Albrecht Haffa > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:10 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Skin-effect cores, from DK 8 ND > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 29.08.02 22:49:59: > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > > > > > > > > - Look to Curves explaning the skin effect, that means that diameter or > > > thickness of the copper is restricted, depending on the frequency used. > > > > > Hi Hans, > > > > where can I look up those curves ? > > > > regards > > > > Uwe/dj8wx > > > Göppingen, 30. 08.2002 > > Lieber Uwe, hier also meine Qellen: > > - Eine Seite aus dem Repetitorium in "Siemens Compüonents 22 ( 1984) Heft 5 > - Fritz Vilbig: Lehrbuch der Hochfrequenztechnik, Vierte Auflage, Bd. 1, > Seite 149-150, Akademische Verlagsgesellschaft, Leipzig 1944. > > Du mußt also wohl oder übel in einer wissenschaftlichen Bibliothek in den > Grundlagenwerken der Elektrotechnik und HF-Technik wühlen. > > 55, > Hans-Albrecht > ____________________________________________________________________________ > __ > Jetzt testen fur 1 Euro! 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Kein Problem: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021128 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29116 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 20:55:43 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 20:55:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 29082 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 20:56:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 20:56:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lbkm-00083j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:55:28 +0100 Received: from [130.244.199.132] (helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lbkm-00083Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:55:28 +0100 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.173]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020901205520.BZEX20297.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:55:20 +0200 Message-ID: <003001c251f9$ed27a4a0$ad2465d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> <001f01c24bf7$599c0e40$4e6152d5@it> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:55:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: E-field antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODYversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear All, Giulio Scaroni wrote: > So i'm planning to made an Amrad antenna, i have send a request at > Crystalonics for high current FET. Has anyone tried a small power MOSFET as input stage in an active antenna? I am thinking of BS170, 2N7000 and similar transistors. They have a very high forward transconductance (hundreds of mA/V) and should make a very "stiff" source follower. They are easy to find and are cheap too. The input capacitance is higher than that of J-FETs (in the order of 30pF) but it can be compensated by a longer whip/wire. The drain-gate capacitance is also high but I guess that a cascode circuit can be used to minimise the effects of Mr Miller... Since they are "enhancement mode FETs", they require some bias voltage to start condicting but that's no problem. The big question is noise...? 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28064 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 20:27:23 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 20:27:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 26640 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 20:26:35 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 20:26:35 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lbIH-0007ts-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:26:01 +0100 Received: from [195.235.30.34] (helo=smtp.bankinter.es) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lbIG-0007ti-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:26:00 +0100 Received: from BI57429bankinter (h026148.nexo.es [195.235.26.148]) by smtp.bankinter.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA28395 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:25:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000001c251f5$b559e500$941aebc3@BI57429bankinter> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Manuel?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:23:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: EA1PX-test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi to all:
 
I´ll make tonight, at 21.00 UTC, a transmission test on 137.703 KHz-QRS3. Any possible report will be appreciated.
 
73, José Manuel, EA1PX
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10415 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 20:18:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 20:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 974 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 20:17:21 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 20:17:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lb8w-0007nk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:16:22 +0100 Received: from [195.223.232.51] (helo=netregister.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lb8v-0007na-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:16:21 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia14.phoenix.it [213.82.97.78]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g81KGB716968 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:16:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c24bf7$599c0e40$4e6152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c24c38$ea026420$f976073e@main> <002001c2513c$a9f3a5c0$4bdf7ad5@j1r9b7> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 07:22:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: E-field antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0tests=DATE_IN_PAST_96_XXversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi and many thanks to all that have answered to my question about E-field antenna. Many different design, but the best seems really the Amrad pubblished in QST. So i'm planning to made an Amrad antenna, i have send a request at Crystalonics for high current FET. Many thanks Derek, for the really good job that you have done testing the antenna alltogheter in the same times!!!! Here i have during summer times only a ferrite antenna with a J310 preamplifier with 28 mA of idle current, and work very well, but i want to compare soon it with performance of the E-field antenna. 73 and thanks all again. de Giulio Scaroni IK2DED. > Hi all, > > Re Alan Melia's posting on E-field antennas (Aug. 25th), I confirm his > comment that I did carry out a number of tests on two E-field active > antennas each having roughly a 3m whip, one an ex-Decca Navigator design > using op-amps, and the other an AMRAD high dynamic range design using a > Crystalonics high current FET and published in QST in September last year (I > think it was).Both of these designs feed DC up the coax to the active > element. > I compared these with a 50m long inverted 'L' antenna with a 15m vertical > section (resonated with a base loading coil) and also with a large > rectangular loop approx 8m per side in a very noisy urban environment. This > was at a time when I was experiencing interference on 136kHz radiated from a > hi-speed data cable which also coupled into local CATV distribution cables > (not connected to my QTH!). > The main findings were : > > (1) Both E-field antenna designs performed in a similar fashion and when > mounted reasonably in the clear, ie more or less above roof-top height, > produced a signal to noise ratio similar to the inverted 'L' antenna. > Generally anything I could hear on the inverted 'L' , I could hear on the > active antenna but the active antenna appeared less susceptible to the cable > interference than was the wire antenna. Under conditions of radiated > interference which appeared to be primarily in the H-field from the local > data cable, the loop was virtually unusable which meant that I could not use > it for Loran cancellation! > (2) The slope of the variation in absolute signal strength at the output of > the E-field antenna with variation in height above ground was initially > fairly constant and surprisingly high at around 2 to 3dB per metre up to > about 12m. Above that the rate of change flattened off but the received > signal strength still continued to increase up to at least 20m which was as > high as I could measure. > The flattening off in signal strength increase at around 12m I assume is > as a result of the active antenna becoming less 'E-field shadowed' as it > rises above roof-top height.and local trees. > (3) It is strongly recommended that the coax feeder from the E-field antenna > should be allowed run more or less vertically downwards to ground level and > the outer of the coax then earthed at some point underneath the antenna. At > the shack end of the coax, noise currents on the outer of the coax should be > suppressed by passing the signal through an isolating 1:1 transformer (eg. a > bifilar winding of a few turns on a suitable small toroid). Without the > isolating transformer I found the performance of both the E-field antennas > very disappointing in a noisy environment. The transceiver in the shack > should be separately earthed > (4) The above results confirm those outlined AMRAD article in QST. I think > that Wallter G3JKV would also confirm that at his QTH, the results from an > active receiving antenna mounted at 20m+ above ground are similar to those > obtained from a large well-sited wire antenna. > (5) There is little advantage to be found in extending the whip much greater > than 1 metre or so - cross-mod then potentially becomes more of a problem. A > bandpass filter between the output of the active antenna and the RX input is > also strongly recommended to minimise the risk of intermod problems from > broadcast stations. > > Regards to all, Derek Atter, G3GRO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5880 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 17:25:43 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 17:25:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5229 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 17:24:55 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 17:24:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lYRl-0007Aa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:23:37 +0100 Received: from [217.72.192.165] (helo=mailgate5.cinetic.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lYRk-0007AL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:23:36 +0100 Received: from web.de (fmomail01.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.45]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g81HMxX12463 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:22:59 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:22:59 +0200 Message-ID: <200209011722.g81HMxX12463@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re:Skin-effect cores, from DK 8 ND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0tests=DEAR_SOMEBODY,SUPERLONG_LINE,MIME_EXCESSIVE_QPversion=2.31 X-Spam-Level: ** Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Dear Mike, I gave to Uwe two hints in German books to the topic skin effect. To find the eqations or curves for the thickness of the conductive layer as a functon of thickness (diameter) and frequency, You probably must search the library of the next engineering school or technical university. 73, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 31.08.02 02:55:01: > Hey, not fair. I can't read German if that is what this is. > > Mike>WE0H > http://www.we0h.us/lf.html > > -----Original Message----- > From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf > Of Hans-Albrecht Haffa > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 3:10 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Skin-effect cores, from DK 8 ND > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 29.08.02 22:49:59: > > Hans-Albrecht Haffa schrieb: > > > > > > > > - Look to Curves explaning the skin effect, that means that diameter or > > > thickness of the copper is restricted, depending on the frequency used. > > > > > Hi Hans, > > > > where can I look up those curves ? > > > > regards > > > > Uwe/dj8wx > > > Göppingen, 30. 08.2002 > > Lieber Uwe, hier also meine Qellen: > > - Eine Seite aus dem Repetitorium in "Siemens Compüonents 22 ( 1984) Heft 5 > - Fritz Vilbig: Lehrbuch der Hochfrequenztechnik, Vierte Auflage, Bd. 1, > Seite 149-150, Akademische Verlagsgesellschaft, Leipzig 1944. > > Du mußt also wohl oder übel in einer wissenschaftlichen Bibliothek in den > Grundlagenwerken der Elektrotechnik und HF-Technik wühlen. > > 55, > Hans-Albrecht > ____________________________________________________________________________ > __ > Jetzt testen fur 1 Euro! 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Kein Problem: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021128 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18258 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 10:18:09 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 10:18:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23100 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 10:17:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 10:17:21 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lRlC-0005kU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 11:15:14 +0100 Received: from [64.12.136.164] (helo=imo-m09.mx.aol.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lRlB-0005kK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 11:15:13 +0100 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id l.68.24f982d1 (3850) for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <68.24f982d1.2aa342a6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:15:02 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Subject: Re: LF: Argo-SpecLab Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0tests=NO_REAL_NAMEversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Uwe,

I think one of the differences between Argo and SpecLab is, that SpecLab makes no attempt at all to change the soundcard's mixer settings (you must do that manually) while Argo has a kind of setup routine which modifies the settings to achieve a reasonable input level (that means without overloading the analog input and without wasting too much of the ADC's resolution).

Secondly, Argo has a routine which sets various switches inside the soundcard automatically for the correct input terminal. So, if you connect your RX to the MIC input, Argo will detect this; if you connect it to the LINE input, it will detect it as well.
Spectrum Lab is not so smart (because of its lazy programmer and the ugly windows internals), it does not make any attempt to modify the soundcard's "record" settings.


Regards,

Wolf  DL4YHF.



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7472 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 23:25:01 -0000 Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.225) by mailstore with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 23:25:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7932 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2002 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 2002 23:24:13 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 17lHaP-0002B5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:23:25 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.92] (helo=carbon) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17lHaP-0002Av-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:23:25 +0100 Received: from host62-7-121-3.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.121.3] helo=main) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17lHaJ-0001dr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:23:20 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c25145$54080440$0379073e@main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:31:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Propagation Plots Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.31 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Hi all, for anyone interested, I have now managed to load a complete set of plots for the DCF39 to CT1DRP path ( .GIF files as used on my propagation forecast page) onto my website in the Useful Programs area. They will download as files. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/programs They are divided up into separate months and each month is zipped up and is about 250kBytes on average. I am aware the plots for one whole month (it might be March ) has the right day number but the wrong (alpha) month in the title line...but the right date on the data legend under the plot. That was a bit of dosiness when I re-plotted that lot.... I was being so careful to get the day right. I dont feel like generating all those again, but I may eventually edit the plots. It should be obvious, I think. (reason for replot....another bit of dosiness when cleaning up...using DOS Command line and wildcards....I'm out of practice these days, but its still quicker than fiddling around with the mouse.) Brian is planning a re-work of his system soon so there may be a gap in the reports, unless CFH reappears. If any Transatlantic tests start up I will try to keep a forecast going based on the solar data. Just remember that Propagation forecasting is a very inexact science, like the HF charts in Radcom....if if says that there is no likelyhood of a path to VK, it doesnt mean that there might not be some Oz pounding through on 20m, who hasn't read the report !! At least the static seems to be reducing a little now, so maybe there will be some signals back on 136 soon ?? I did hear G6NB briefly during the week. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com