From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27831 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 21:58:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 21:58:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 21413 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 21:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 21:58:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ga31-0003eC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:33:15 +0000 Received: from mailgate.fh-aachen.de ([149.201.10.254]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ga30-0003e7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:33:14 +0000 Received: from db0bm.ampr.org (db0bm.automation.fh-aachen.de [193.175.144.197]) by mailgate.fh-aachen.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g1SLrbt16808 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:53:37 GMT Posted-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:53:37 GMT Received: (from dj1yfk@localhost) by db0bm.ampr.org (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g1SLt2i12224 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:55:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:55:02 +0100 From: "dj1yfk" Message-ID: <200202282155.g1SLt2i12224@db0bm.ampr.org> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: DK7KO beaconing 136.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello group, Peter, DK7KO is beaconing right now on 136,5 kHz and asks for reports via 02261/62156 (or 00492261 62156 if you call from abroad).. 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11003 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 20:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 20:50:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22737 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 20:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 20:50:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gYv2-0003Ud-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:20:56 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gYv1-0003UY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:20:55 +0000 Received: from ldsas07-71-122-110.cw-visp.com ([212.137.122.110] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16gXCY-0007in-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:30:55 +0000 Message-ID: <3C7E7E99.1D71B00F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:01:45 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: ZL6QH tests 22 March References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> <001501c1bd58$3906c040$fc6868d5@oemcomputer> <3C79938E.D5F50B6E@verizon.net> <000301c1bf6c$c1560da0$5eb51bca@rvernall> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Vernall wrote: > Hi all, > > ZL6QH will be on for a beacon transmission in the 136 kHz band, including > the period 0500 to 1900 UTC on 22 March. This includes the overnight period > in ZL, which is Saturday night till Sunday morning ZL local time. > > More details will be posted nearer to the time. The expectation is to use > the same frequency and format as for the 15 December test. ZL6QH is the > only ZL station with permission to use the 136 kHz band. > > A week later it is expected that a number of ZL stations will be > transmitting using frequencies around 180 kHz. Hi Bob Pse remind me of the freq and times that you stn will be active, qrs speed etc. also your QRA locator or exact qth/lat/long so that I can calculate the optimum possible time for me to hear/see you on screen. Can you work xband, say listen on 14 mhz? 73 de Mal/G3KEV/9V1OY/VS6HI > > > 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17340 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 12:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 12:44:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21772 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 12:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 12:44:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gRMh-0002V4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:16:59 +0000 Received: from moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.181]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gRMg-0002Uv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:16:58 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrvdomng2.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16gPpc-0008TY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:38:44 +0100 Received: from pd9014a05.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.74.5] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16gPpb-0001gC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:38:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3C7E16E7.A2E36176@diolog.de> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:39:19 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DK7KO References: <200202230842_MC3-F30E-BEE2@compuserve.com> <002b01c1bc74$4704a700$1700a8c0@home> <16fJfU-1y9Z0SC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> <16ffy1-1sIaRsC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I heard Peter, DK7KO beaconing last night an called him via phone to give him a report. His signal was quite strong here, so I guess his 400m-LW in which is only 7m agl works quite good. 73, Fabian dj1yfk jannsen schrieb: > Hi gentlemen (guess no ladies on the reflector), > > may I announce the following: > > all nights for some minutes DK7KO, Peter is beaconing on 136.53kHz > in mode cw. he is testing his ant and asks the listeners to give > rprts to tfn 0226162156. > > Peter is from the heavy current front. he is one of the lucky fellows > without any PC. > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7743 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 09:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 09:04:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26913 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2002 09:04:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 09:04:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gNtI-00022G-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:34:24 +0000 Received: from 210-86-15-138.ipnets.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.138] helo=mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gNtG-000229-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:34:22 +0000 Received: from rvernall ([202.27.181.94]) by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020228085544.YEUJ25716.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@rvernall> for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:55:44 +1300 Message-ID: <000301c1bf6c$c1560da0$5eb51bca@rvernall> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> <001501c1bd58$3906c040$fc6868d5@oemcomputer> <3C79938E.D5F50B6E@verizon.net> Subject: LF: ZL6QH tests 22 March Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:56:21 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, ZL6QH will be on for a beacon transmission in the 136 kHz band, including the period 0500 to 1900 UTC on 22 March. This includes the overnight period in ZL, which is Saturday night till Sunday morning ZL local time. More details will be posted nearer to the time. The expectation is to use the same frequency and format as for the 15 December test. ZL6QH is the only ZL station with permission to use the 136 kHz band. A week later it is expected that a number of ZL stations will be transmitting using frequencies around 180 kHz. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11012 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 18:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 18:51:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6330 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 18:51:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 18:51:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gAS5-0000WY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:13:25 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16gAS4-0000WT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:13:24 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-204.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.204] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16g8jc-0006M7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:23:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3C7D26F5.4F653623@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:35:33 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: search Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I often hear stations calling CQ and they appear to listen only on their own freq. With high Q antenna systems tuned for optimum on a freq it is not always possible to qsy to the other persons freq, therefore on this narrow band I suggest everyone searches the band after a CQ. If the band ever gets too busy then the situation would have to change to working on the same freq to avoid taking up two frequencies, this has certainly not been the case over the past year. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7077 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 11:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 11:13:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 6432 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 11:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 11:13:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16g3Qt-00088o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:43:43 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16g3Qs-00088j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:43:42 +0000 Received: from DEFAULT (dialin-nbg-069.fen-net.de [212.204.116.69]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13855 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:06:34 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000f01c1bf7f$12c77d60$3474ccd4@DEFAULT> From: "Walter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: DK7KO Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:08:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id MAA13855 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Tnx Uwe fer info. The distance from Gummersbach to you is nearly the same than to me, so I should copy him. Hw abt matching the railroad track? -:) 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Dienstag, 26. Februar 2002 20:04 Betreff: Re: LF: Re: DK7KO Walter schrieb: > Tnx Uwe. DK7KO location? Transmitting time? Pwr? Ant? > 73 Walter DJ2LF > Hi Walter, qth: Gummersbach time: last night I heard him at 2250UTC with 539 here in jo43sv (nr Itzehoe). ant: 400m lw down a railroad. pwr: ? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19383 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 06:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 06:34:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25738 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2002 06:34:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Feb 2002 06:34:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fz5I-0007cT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:05:08 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fz5I-0007cO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:05:08 +0000 Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fxYQ-0003LF-05; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:27:06 +0100 Received: from (024074273-0001@[217.2.114.58]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fxYQ-0qO5h2C; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:27:06 +0100 From: "Walter Schmischke" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Infos obout lf qrp X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:27:06 +0100 Message-ID: <16fxYQ-0qO5h2C@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 024074273-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter, DL1KSW 27.02.02 Hello, again, thank you verx much for the infos, it was many to read for me. I want to start with a Converter for rx. I have a home made modified NorCal 40A for the 40m band. Is it possible to made a converter for 136khz to 7,0 Mhz? For example my IC 706 are "free", when I receive with PC the lf frequenz, or second example, the NorCal is free, when I receive with the IC 706 on 7,0 Mhz. Thank you very much, 72, 73, de Walter, DL1KSW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29836 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 19:00:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 19:00:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17327 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 18:59:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 18:59:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16foFM-0006NU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:30:48 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16foFL-0006NP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:30:47 +0000 Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fmUE-0007u8-06; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:38:02 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.241]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fmU3-0Rw74CC; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:37:51 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003d01c1bec7$df52cf00$3274ccd4@DEFAULT> Subject: Re: LF: Re: DK7KO X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:37:51 +0100 Message-ID: <16fmU3-0Rw74CC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter schrieb: > Tnx Uwe. DK7KO location? Transmitting time? Pwr? Ant? > 73 Walter DJ2LF > Hi Walter, qth: Gummersbach time: last night I heard him at 2250UTC with 539 here in jo43sv (nr Itzehoe). ant: 400m lw down a railroad. pwr: ? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 163 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 13:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 13:22:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 10201 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 13:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 13:22:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fixr-0005bY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:52:24 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fixq-0005bT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:52:23 +0000 Received: from DEFAULT (dialin-nbg-050.fen-net.de [212.204.116.50]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22061 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:15:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003d01c1bec7$df52cf00$3274ccd4@DEFAULT> From: "Walter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: DK7KO Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:05:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id OAA22061 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Tnx Uwe. DK7KO location? Transmitting time? Pwr? Ant? 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Dienstag, 26. Februar 2002 13:26 Betreff: LF: DK7KO Hi gentlemen (guess no ladies on the reflector), may I announce the following: all nights for some minutes DK7KO, Peter is beaconing on 136.53kHz in mode cw. he is testing his ant and asks the listeners to give rprts to tfn 0226162156. Peter is from the heavy current front. he is one of the lucky fellows without any PC. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5811 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 11:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 11:47:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13256 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2002 11:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2002 11:47:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fhV0-0005Np-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:18:30 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fhV0-0005Ne-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:18:30 +0000 Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ffy3-0007XW-0D; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:40:23 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.42]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ffy1-1sIaRsC; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:40:21 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202230842_MC3-F30E-BEE2@compuserve.com> <002b01c1bc74$4704a700$1700a8c0@home> <16fJfU-1y9Z0SC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> Subject: LF: DK7KO X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:40:21 +0100 Message-ID: <16ffy1-1sIaRsC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi gentlemen (guess no ladies on the reflector), may I announce the following: all nights for some minutes DK7KO, Peter is beaconing on 136.53kHz in mode cw. he is testing his ant and asks the listeners to give rprts to tfn 0226162156. Peter is from the heavy current front. he is one of the lucky fellows without any PC. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20291 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:51:13 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:51:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8441 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:51:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:51:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fVSD-0003oT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:26:49 +0000 Received: from pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.122] helo=blueyonder.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fVSC-0003oO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:26:48 +0000 Received: from pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:48:45 +0000 Received: from vigor.robgill.org (unverified [62.30.62.69]) by pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:48:45 +0000 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020225223937.00c89730@pop.freeserve.net> X-Sender: twickenham.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:47:02 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rob Gill" Subject: Re: LF: Spelling of units In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 17:23 25/02/02 -0500, you wrote: ><< Also, the word processor I use puts nasty red lines underneath 1 > mA, but seems to approve of 1mA - perhaps it is American influence at > work! >> > >Actually, we Americans are just following RadCom's lead on this. :-) MS Word allows the spell checker to be configured to ignore words containing numbers (this may be the default), thus 1mA would be ignored but 1 mA would get the nasty red line under the mA bit. ....and it seems that my email package has just followed the same rule (but both are American packages...!) 73 Rob From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15069 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:36:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26240 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:26:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:26:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fV4J-0003ja-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:02:07 +0000 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.97]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fV4I-0003iD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:02:06 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.c3.1e890ba5 (1322) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:23:28 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:23:27 EST Subject: Re: LF: Spelling of units To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 2/25/02 12:25:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk writes: << A lot of the variations on symbols for units seem to be due to computers; for instance, most CAD and simulation software can't do Greek letters and is not case-sensitive. The Pspice simulator that I use at work a lot interprets a resistor of either 1m or 1M as 1 milliohm - you have to put 1meg if you want a 1 megohm resistor. Confusingly, while 4.7k gives what you would expect, it will interpret 4k7 as 4 kilohms, and ignore the 7. >> Interesting point, Jim. I suspect most of that has to do with the computer programmer's personal preferences, however, rather than any limitations of the computers themselves. I cannot think of any modern operating system or language that is incapable of distinguishing between uppercase and lowercase letters in string variables. While CAD and simulation developers may value backward compatibility with early 4- and 8-bit microprocessors having limited display capabilities, surely there must be limits to such a noble notion! (grin) Even the 4k7 versus 4.7k distinction reflects the programmer's bias, rather than a hardware or software necessity. It takes no more than half a dozen lines in most high-level programming languages to recognize a "word" having the form digit-letter multiplier-digit as being equivalent to digit-decimal-digit-letter multiplier, and converting it to the same numerical value for computation. << Also, the word processor I use puts nasty red lines underneath 1 mA, but seems to approve of 1mA - perhaps it is American influence at work! >> Actually, we Americans are just following RadCom's lead on this. :-) In reality, it's not clear to me why a word processor should observe any rule on this at all, but you are right about some of them doing so. Very odd, considering that in the past few days we've seen on this reflector that national standards bodies do just the opposite. Perhaps RadCom's usage is as VK7RO says...publications don't want to have the numeral(s) appear at the end of a line and the unit at the start of the next line. Ironically, this is one of the points where a computer program like PSpice would find it easier to have no space between the value and the unit. If an application clearly sees "4.7k" or even "4k7" in a list, it can simply disregard all blank spaces and doesn't have to employ quite as large an algorithm as if it had to also make the determination that "4.7 k" means the same thing too. << I think the use of * to indicate multiplication stems from many types of computer languages which use this notation to avoid the ambiguity possible if 'x' or '.' were used instead in a text-only display. >> I would agree that's probably why it is so common. In typesetting and in reasonably advanced maths software, fortunately, we have less ambiguous symbols for indicating the product of two expressions. But since there are no ordinary keyboard equivalents, we have to make do with what's available. << The standards bodies seem to have been determined that we should use the new logic symbols for a couple of decades now - engineers around the world seem equally determined not to use them! The resistor symbol is a bone of contention too, with many still preferring the zig-zag line over the rectangular box. >> Guilty as charged. << Some old American books seem to use 'M' for ohms - so there are lots of 50,000M resistors marked on circuit diagrams, which looks a bit strange. >> Hmm. I'm rather fond of old American electronics books, and can't say that I've encountered this peculiarity. I wonder if it could result from a technical draughtsman's misreading of the author's hand-scrawled omega. Or--could it possibly be that, far enough back in the dim mists of early radio, "mille" was an acceptable prefix meaning 1000, before the less ambiguous Greek prefixes became the norm? Is anyone on this list both old enough, and willing to admit to it, to remember for certain? 73, John Davis From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23368 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:30:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22448 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:30:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:30:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fV8k-0003ke-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:06:42 +0000 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.99]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fV8j-0003kW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:06:41 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.31.22e4d1b5 (1322) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:27:51 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <31.22e4d1b5.29ac1474@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:28:04 EST Subject: Re: LF: Spelling of units To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 2/25/02 5:26:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, WarmSpgs@aol.com writes: << Interesting point, Jim. I suspect most of that has to do with the computer programmer's personal preferences, however, rather than any limitations of the computers themselves. >> Except for the part about the Greek characters, of course. :-) John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11307 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:12:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27448 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:05:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:05:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fUjl-0003ai-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:40:53 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fUjl-0003ad-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:40:53 +0000 Received: from ldsas10-74-125-136.cw-visp.com ([212.137.125.136] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16fT1N-0007YY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:50:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3C7AB467.3F81A108@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:02:15 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 135.78 References: <3C7A5440.EB2C6F85@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: gii3kev wrote: > After my recent message about a mysterious strong carrier on 135.78 khz > that has been there all weekend. Just checked the freq now at 1507 utc > and the carrier has been switched off. This transmission was active again around 2030 utc for a short time and the carrier has bursts of PSK and the freq shifted HF by 4.6 hz over a period of 51 minutes when I was monitoring. Off air at present. de G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28445 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 22:09:09 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 22:09:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14575 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 21:09:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 21:09:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fTr6-0003SM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:44:24 +0000 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au ([203.10.110.76]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fTr4-0003SH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:44:22 +0000 Received: from fred1 (dialup-t1-185.Hobart.netspace.net.au [210.15.194.185]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1PL6Fh95212 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:06:17 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020226080539.00a6e670@pop.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: vk7ro@pop.netspace.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:05:39 +1100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Richard Rogers" Subject: RE: LF: Spelling of units In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020225164111.00a837c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020225161512.009ed5c0@POP3.freeler.nl> <20020225105439.1D8961E456@xprdmailfe.excite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I recall that the now defunct magazine "Electronics Australia" started to delete the space between the figure and the unit to avoid problems with their new-fangled computerised typesetting system which would sometime leave the 5 on the end of one line and put the V at the beginning of the next. There appears to be an example of this problem in the message below. At 05:18 PM 2/25/02 +0000, you wrote: >Dear LF Group, > >A lot of the variations on symbols for units seem to be due to computers; >for instance, most CAD and simulation software can't do Greek letters and >is not case-sensitive. The Pspice simulator that I use at work a lot >interprets a resistor of either 1m or 1M as 1 milliohm - you have to put >1meg if you want a 1 megohm resistor. Confusingly, while 4.7k gives what >you would expect, it will interpret 4k7 as 4 kilohms, and ignore the 7. >Fortunately, 'u' is not used in many units, so uF has fairly obvious >meaning. Also, the word processor I use puts nasty red lines underneath 1 >mA, but seems to approve of 1mA - perhaps it is American influence at >work! I think the use of * to indicate multiplication stems from many >types of computer languages which use this notation to avoid the ambiguity >possible if 'x' or '.' were used instead in a text-only display. > >The standards bodies seem to have been determined that we should use the >new logic symbols for a couple of decades now - engineers around the world >seem equally determined not to use them! The resistor symbol is a bone of >contention too, with many still preferring the zig-zag line over the >rectangular box. > >Some old American books seem to use 'M' for ohms - so there are lots of >50,000M resistors marked on circuit diagrams, which looks a bit strange... > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > > > 73, Ric, VK7RO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5829 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 20:48:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 20:48:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2777 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 20:48:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 20:48:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fTSD-0003Oi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:18:41 +0000 Received: from siaag1ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fTSC-0003Nv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:18:40 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id PAA21741 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:40:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:39:14 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: 135.78 is on 135.76 kHz ... To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202251539_MC3-F37E-A374@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ... at least my measurements show this. The field strength is 30 dBµV/m, which is about 10 dB more than SVX usually was, so if it's them they either have increased their power, or the condx are extremely good. The carrier is not modulated ... what a waste of energy .. but surely a nice condition indicator once we know exactly who it is and where it is ... best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21601 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 20:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 20:29:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28505 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 20:29:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 20:29:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fT3V-0003Jz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:53:09 +0000 Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fT3T-0003Ju-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:53:08 +0000 Received: from otenet.gr (myti530-a037.otenet.gr [212.205.251.165]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1PKElkh009438 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:15:04 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3C7A743F.D86FBB74@otenet.gr> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:28:31 +0000 From: "Alex Deligiannis" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.78 khz References: <3C7A1F88.7C6F4A03@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3.0.5.32.20020225134602.00999460@pop3.esoterica.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: YES the carrier was from the Greek Navy transmitter. It seams to me that they put the transmitter on from time to time (during weekends) to charge the capacitors and keep moisture out of the cabinets.... Has anyone recorded the PST test transmission? Best 73's SV8QG ALEX Brian Rogerson wrote: > As seen from here, the signal started up around 23:00 utc on 24th > and closed down around 12:12 utc today, changing frequency a > couple of times along the way. Near enough to the SXV frequencies. > Perhaps someone nearer could confirm > > 73, Brian > > At 13:01 25/02/2002 -0000, you wrote: > > > >Nothing on 135.78 here, even looking with a slow Spectrogram, just Loran > >lines. > > > >73 > >Dave > >G3YXM. > > > >> A strong carrier appeared a couple of days ago and is still there today > >> on 135.78 khz. Can anyone else hear it? It appears to be a carrier but > >> could be modulated, I have not yet investigated. > >> > >> 73 de Mal/G3KEV > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W > http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10666 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 18:06:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 18:06:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8944 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 18:06:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 18:06:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fQzE-00031e-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:40:36 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fQzD-00031Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:40:35 +0000 Received: from ldsas19-83-134-207.cw-visp.com ([212.137.134.207] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16fPGp-0002KL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:50:39 +0000 Message-ID: <3C7A5440.EB2C6F85@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:12:01 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: 135.78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: After my recent message about a mysterious strong carrier on 135.78 khz that has been there all weekend. Just checked the freq now at 1507 utc and the carrier has been switched off. Strange coincidence, surely no one has accidentally left their TX switched on for a couple of days!!!! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4125 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 17:49:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27862 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 17:38:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 17:38:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fQZ1-0002xF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:13:31 +0000 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.100]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fQZ0-0002xA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:13:30 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.85.17f96000 (4005) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:34:54 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <85.17f96000.29abcfbe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:34:54 EST Subject: Re: LF: 135.78 khz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The carrier on   0.13578  MHz   was also very strong here on sunday (599 on a useless S-meter :-)  so I first thought it was something "local". But no trace of a modulation over a couple of minutes.

Greetings,
 Wolf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10735 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 17:29:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 17:29:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22597 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 17:28:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 17:28:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fQLc-0002sj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:59:40 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fQLb-0002se-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:59:39 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16fOoi-0004N9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:21:36 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16fOoh-0001yY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:21:35 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020225164111.00a837c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:18:32 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: RE: LF: Spelling of units In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020225161512.009ed5c0@POP3.freeler.nl> References: <20020225105439.1D8961E456@xprdmailfe.excite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, A lot of the variations on symbols for units seem to be due to computers; for instance, most CAD and simulation software can't do Greek letters and is not case-sensitive. The Pspice simulator that I use at work a lot interprets a resistor of either 1m or 1M as 1 milliohm - you have to put 1meg if you want a 1 megohm resistor. Confusingly, while 4.7k gives what you would expect, it will interpret 4k7 as 4 kilohms, and ignore the 7. Fortunately, 'u' is not used in many units, so uF has fairly obvious meaning. Also, the word processor I use puts nasty red lines underneath 1 mA, but seems to approve of 1mA - perhaps it is American influence at work! I think the use of * to indicate multiplication stems from many types of computer languages which use this notation to avoid the ambiguity possible if 'x' or '.' were used instead in a text-only display. The standards bodies seem to have been determined that we should use the new logic symbols for a couple of decades now - engineers around the world seem equally determined not to use them! The resistor symbol is a bone of contention too, with many still preferring the zig-zag line over the rectangular box. Some old American books seem to use 'M' for ohms - so there are lots of 50,000M resistors marked on circuit diagrams, which looks a bit strange... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7069 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 17:09:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 17:09:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28347 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 16:39:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 16:39:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fPaz-0002ma-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:11:29 +0000 Received: from gatek.vs.dasa.de ([195.243.118.226]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fPay-0002mR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:11:28 +0000 Received: from mailrelay1.vs.dasa.de by gatek.vs.dasa.de via smtpd (for post.thorcom.com [212.172.148.70]) with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 16:34:26 UT Received: from ulm001.sysde.corp (ulm001.sysde.corp [149.207.22.81]) by mailrelay1.de.sysde.corp (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1PGWrx15175 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:32:53 +0100 (MET) Received: by ulm001.sysde.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:32:53 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Koenig, Wolfgang" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: AW: 135.78 khz Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:32:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: hallo all, the strange carrier ist here (jn48wi) 599+10 since a few days. 73 de wolf dl1san -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: gii3kev [mailto:gii3kev@netscapeonline.co.uk] Gesendet am: Montag, 25. Februar 2002 12:27 An: rsgb rsgb Betreff: LF: 135.78 khz A strong carrier appeared a couple of days ago and is still there today on 135.78 khz. Can anyone else hear it? It appears to be a carrier but could be modulated, I have not yet investigated. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6003 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 15:42:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27874 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 15:42:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 15:42:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fOke-0002cU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:17:24 +0000 Received: from cmailenv2.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.54]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fOkb-0002cP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:17:21 +0000 Received: from [62.21.144.133] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16fNDg-0001Sv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:39:16 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020225161512.009ed5c0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:43:44 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: RE: LF: Spelling of units In-reply-to: <20020225105439.1D8961E456@xprdmailfe.excite.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020001000500040903020105" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020001000500040903020105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

Many thanks to all who replied to my request.

The checklist that can be found at the URL given by John, G4CNN, is a most useful one.  I would recommend to print it and stick it to the wall in your check.
The rules given are exactly the same as the ones applied in our country by the editor of VERON magazine Electron and also for the RAE.

It appears that the joining together of figure and unit (5V instead of 5 V) as practised by RadCom is considered improper according to the checklist.

It also strikes me that the asterisk to indicate multiplication, as seen so often nowadays, is not in the list.

A related matter is the kind of symbols used in circuit diagrams. In The Netherlands these are also prescribed for official documents. And for Electron those rules are also adhered to. We are certainly not happy with them. I attach two examples, taken from an RAE. We find the modern symbols  for (N)OR and (N)AND gates awful, as compared to the old ones.
A transistor symbol without a circle is not too bad in a simple circuit as attached. But in a complicated circuit one usually tries to find the active elements first and a circle around the transistor certainly helps to make them stand out, but is no longer allowed officially.

73, Dick, PA0SE

John, G4CNN wrote:

Since most replies to your query were somewhat inaccurate, I thought I would set the record straight. See: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/checklist.html

--- On Sun 02/24, Dick Rollema wrote:
> Dear OM,
>
> The following matter has nothing to do with LF but as former editor and
> corrector of VERON magazine Electron I nevertheless take the liberty to
> beg
> your opinion on it.
>
> In our country units that are derived from the names of scientists are
> written with a lower case letter; for instance volt, ampčre, watt, etc.;
> not Volt, Ampčre, Watt. When abbreviated we use a capital letter, so V, A,
>
> W etc. We also write "5 ohm, not 5 Ohms" (no plural). And we
> insert a
> space between the number and the unit: "3 V and not 3V".
>
> I wonder what the rules are in other countries, inside [including the
> UK :-)] and outside Europe because I see a lot of variations in spelling
>
> of units on the reflector.
>
> 73, Dick, PA0SE

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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:06:24 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16fM6n-0002ux-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:28:05 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c1be08$a9b7dee0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C7A1F88.7C6F4A03@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3.0.5.32.20020225134602.00999460@pop3.esoterica.pt> Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.78 khz Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:28:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Brian wrote: > As seen from here, the signal started up around 23:00 utc on 24th > and closed down around 12:12 utc today, Ahh! I guess I just missed it! Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11304 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 14:09:09 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 14:09:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25227 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 14:09:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 14:09:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fNH0-0002LW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:42:42 +0000 Received: from dargolad.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.27]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fNGy-0002LR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:42:41 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by dargolad.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1PE4dS22310 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:04:39 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por204.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.204]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1PE4c318695 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:04:38 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020225140513.009e5960@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:05:13 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.78 khz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Sorry, can't read my own recordings. Started at around 22:00 utc on 23rd. >As seen from here, the signal started up around 23:00 utc on 24th >and closed down around 12:12 utc today, changing frequency a >couple of times along the way. Near enough to the SXV frequencies. >Perhaps someone nearer could confirm > >73, Brian > > > > >At 13:01 25/02/2002 -0000, you wrote: >> >>Nothing on 135.78 here, even looking with a slow Spectrogram, just Loran >>lines. >> >>73 >>Dave >>G3YXM. >> >>> A strong carrier appeared a couple of days ago and is still there today >>> on 135.78 khz. Can anyone else hear it? It appears to be a carrier but >>> could be modulated, I have not yet investigated. >>> >>> 73 de Mal/G3KEV >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28330 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 13:47:26 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 13:47:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6276 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 13:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 13:47:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fMxw-0002Hs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:23:00 +0000 Received: from dargolad.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.27]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fMxv-0002Hn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:22:59 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by dargolad.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1PDivS18199 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:44:57 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por232.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.232]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1PDiu304182 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:44:57 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020225134602.00999460@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:46:02 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: Re: LF: Re: 135.78 khz In-reply-to: <001801c1bdfc$7b92a1a0$1700a8c0@home> References: <3C7A1F88.7C6F4A03@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: As seen from here, the signal started up around 23:00 utc on 24th and closed down around 12:12 utc today, changing frequency a couple of times along the way. Near enough to the SXV frequencies. Perhaps someone nearer could confirm 73, Brian At 13:01 25/02/2002 -0000, you wrote: > >Nothing on 135.78 here, even looking with a slow Spectrogram, just Loran >lines. > >73 >Dave >G3YXM. > >> A strong carrier appeared a couple of days ago and is still there today >> on 135.78 khz. Can anyone else hear it? It appears to be a carrier but >> could be modulated, I have not yet investigated. >> >> 73 de Mal/G3KEV >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2010 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 13:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 13:05:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 11470 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 13:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 13:05:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fMHJ-0002At-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:38:57 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fMHI-0002Ao-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:38:56 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16fKkQ-0000bq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:00:54 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c1bdfc$7b92a1a0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C7A1F88.7C6F4A03@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 135.78 khz Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:01:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nothing on 135.78 here, even looking with a slow Spectrogram, just Loran lines. 73 Dave G3YXM. > A strong carrier appeared a couple of days ago and is still there today > on 135.78 khz. Can anyone else hear it? It appears to be a carrier but > could be modulated, I have not yet investigated. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 560 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 12:16:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 12:16:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18988 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 12:16:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 12:16:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fLWE-00022K-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:50:18 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fLWD-00022F-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:50:17 +0000 Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fJzJ-0002Q1-0B; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:12:13 +0100 Received: from 217.2.66.68 (087321565-0001@[217.2.66.68]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fJzA-2DTLvsC; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:12:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: 135.78 khz From: "Hans-Joachim Brandt" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.009 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 25 Feb 2002 12:09 GMT Message-ID: <16fJzA-2DTLvsC@fwd06.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 087321565-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear all, in southeastern Bavaria (JN68GN) I can also hear this carrier (obviously unmodulated, constant CW beat) here RST 599 most of the time (138.8 kHz here is 59 +30dB). Having not heard into the band for a few weeks I am just wondering. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "gii3kev" schrieb: >A strong carrier appeared a couple of days ago and is still there today >on 135.78 khz. Can anyone else hear it? It appears to be a carrier but >could be modulated, I have not yet investigated. > >73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11531 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 11:58:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25083 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 11:58:38 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 11:58:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fLCg-0001xw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:30:06 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fLCd-0001xr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:30:03 +0000 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fJfk-0003se-01; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:52:00 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.186]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16fJfU-1y9Z0SC; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:51:44 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202230842_MC3-F30E-BEE2@compuserve.com> <002b01c1bc74$4704a700$1700a8c0@home> Subject: LF: Slow Hell/QBasic X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080702070404070303090801" Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:51:44 +0100 Message-ID: <16fJfU-1y9Z0SC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080702070404070303090801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Markus, tks for the programm SlowHell (MTHell) u did send me direct. after some difficulties it runs fine. see attachment. the difficulties: I had to alter a) the hellsnd.bat and b) the hellinp.bas; a) in QBasic line N 00002:004.. and b) N 00036:06.. 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post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fL2M-0001ud-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:19:26 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fL2L-0001uY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:19:25 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-52.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.52] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16fJJv-0005LK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:29:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3C7A20B0.F55AB704@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:32:01 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: 40673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks to all that responed with info about the above fet, and its replacement. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13003 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 11:46:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 11:46:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16974 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 11:46:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 11:46:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fL2I-0001uW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:19:22 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fL2H-0001uR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:19:21 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-52.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.52] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16fJJr-0005Kn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:29:23 +0000 Message-ID: <3C7A1F88.7C6F4A03@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:27:05 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: 135.78 khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: A strong carrier appeared a couple of days ago and is still there today on 135.78 khz. Can anyone else hear it? It appears to be a carrier but could be modulated, I have not yet investigated. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10312 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:59:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:59:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 247 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:59:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:59:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fKJf-0001mD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:33:15 +0000 Received: from nat5.excitenetwork.com ([63.236.75.7] helo=xprdmailfe.excite.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fKJe-0001m8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:33:14 +0000 Received: by xprdmailfe.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 1D8961E456; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:54:39 -0500 (EST) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Spelling of units From: "john sexton" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: computernetworks@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20020225105439.1D8961E456@xprdmailfe.excite.com> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:54:39 -0500 (EST) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dick,
Since most replies to your query were somewhat inaccurate, I thought I would set the record straight. See: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/checklist.html
73, John, G4CNN

--- On Sun 02/24, Dick Rollema wrote:
> Dear OM,
>
> The following matter has nothing to do with LF but as former editor and
> corrector of VERON magazine Electron I nevertheless take the liberty to
> beg
> your opinion on it.
>
> In our country units that are derived from the names of scientists are
> written with a lower case letter; for instance volt, ampčre, watt, etc.;
> not Volt, Ampčre, Watt. When abbreviated we use a capital letter, so V, A,
>
> W etc. We also write "5 ohm, not 5 Ohms" (no plural). And we
> insert a
> space between the number and the unit: "3 V and not 3V".
>
> I wonder what the rules are in other countries, inside [including the
> UK :-)] and outside Europe because I see a lot of variations in spelling
>
> of units on the reflector.
>
> 73, Dick, PA0SE

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17677 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:16:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:16:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17441 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 10:16:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 10:16:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fJYh-0001dV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:44:43 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fJYg-0001dP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:44:42 +0000 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.us.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA154316 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:02:54 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss8.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.73]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO/VER6.00) with ESMTP id g1PA65o189170 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:06:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7A0C60.C2FCECAE@usa.net> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:05:20 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Spelling of units References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dick Rollema wrote:
Dear OM,

The following matter has nothing to do with LF but as former editor and corrector of VERON magazine Electron I nevertheless take the liberty to beg your opinion on it.
[...]


Dick,
   as far as Italy is concerned, we use exactly the same rules as you do in Holland.
At least officially. In actual practice sometimes I have found myself (wrongly) adding
a final 's' to some of the units when spelt in fully... or, corrupted by reading too many
US-published books, eliminating the intervening space between the value and the unit.
Will check better what I write in the future...

73  Alberto  I2PHD
 
  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16334 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 06:44:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 06:44:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 9033 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 06:44:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 06:44:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fGLA-0001Dg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:18:32 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fGL9-0001Db-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:18:31 +0000 Received: from host213-122-102-214.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.102.214] helo=dave) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16fEoH-0007Kf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:40:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c1bdc7$7ce1d100$d6667ad5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> Subject: LF: Re: Spelling of units Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:07:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: PA0SE wrote: >In our country units that are derived from the names of scientists are written with a lower case letter; for instance volt, >ampčre, watt, etc.; not Volt, Ampčre, Watt. When abbreviated we use a capital letter, so V, A, W etc. We also write "5 >ohm, not 5 Ohms" (no plural). And we insert a space between the number and the unit: "3 V and not 3V". >I wonder what the rules are in other countries, inside [including the UK :-)] and outside Europe because I see a lot of >variations in spelling of units on the reflector. I think the answer, in the UK at least, is that there is no formal rules and we see all variations of capitals, small letters etc with no consistency at all. I do try however to use capital M for mega and lower case m for milli, if only others would do the same. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18504 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 01:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 01:35:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18603 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2002 01:35:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2002 01:35:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fBTW-0000dY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:06:50 +0000 Received: from out001slb.verizon.net ([206.46.170.13] helo=out001.verizon.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16fBTV-0000dT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:06:49 +0000 Received: from verizon.net ([141.156.20.150]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020225012842.VXRT7202.out001.verizon.net@verizon.net>; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:28:42 -0600 Message-ID: <3C79938E.D5F50B6E@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:29:50 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Spelling of units References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> <001501c1bd58$3906c040$fc6868d5@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: "mike.dennison" wrote: > The policy with RadCom is almost the same, except we would use ohms plural. > Also the units are close against the number, eg 7.5W. Abbreviations are in > capitals, with no full points between, eg RMS or SWR. Other UK magazines do > things differently. Short Wave Magazine would say s.w.r. - so there are no > country-wide rules. > > Mike, G3XDV > former RSGB Publications Manager I have also noticed that several Continental magazines now write 5R1 for 5.1 ohms and 75R for 75 ohms André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1400 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 23:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 23:44:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15708 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 23:44:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 23:44:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f9gx-0000Pr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:12:35 +0000 Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.97]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f9gv-0000Pl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:12:33 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id w.16.1abc5a20 (16104); Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID118-0224183341; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:33:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:33:41 EST From: Carmelink@aol.com Subject: LF: Re LF/Lowfer: fw, ["Carlos"] To: Lowfer@mailman.qth.net, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <16.1abc5a20.29aad255@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Various postings -- >From: "ANTONIO LAMPREIA" >I got the same request from Carlos..... >From: "Mr. ESTIG DEALER" A bit suspicious, amigos. Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 792 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 19:13:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 19:13:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21101 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 19:13:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 19:13:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f5Za-0008HQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:48:42 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f5ZZ-0008HL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:48:41 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) with ESMTP id <0GS100II6X5CIU@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:08:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: Spelling of units To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <5723063.1014577718891.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dick this all specified in SI. I can probably find some references if it would help. John, G4CNN -----Original Message----- From: "Dick Rollema" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun Feb 24 04:51:36 PST 2002 Subject: LF: Spelling of units >Dear OM,> >The following matter has nothing to do with LF but as former editor and >corrector of VERON magazine Electron I nevertheless take the liberty to beg >your opinion on it. > >In our country units that are derived from the names of scientists are >written with a lower case letter; for instance volt, ampčre, watt, etc.; >not Volt, Ampčre, Watt. When abbreviated we use a capital letter, so V, A, >W etc. We also write "5 ohm, not 5 Ohms" (no plural). And we insert a >space between the number and the unit: "3 V and not 3V". > >I wonder what the rules are in other countries, inside [including the >UK :-)] and outside Europe because I see a lot of variations in spelling >of units on the reflector. > >73, Dick, PA0SE ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5798 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 17:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 17:27:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15203 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 17:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 17:27:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f3tq-00083v-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:01:30 +0000 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f3tp-00083q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:01:29 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.104.252]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020224172328.PPWZ9422.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:23:28 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c1bd58$3906c040$fc6868d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> Subject: LF: Re: Spelling of units Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:25:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In our country units that are derived from the names of scientists are written with a lower case letter; for instance volt, ampčre, watt, etc.; not Volt, Ampčre, Watt. When abbreviated we use a capital letter, so V, A, W etc. We also write "5 ohm, not 5 Ohms" (no plural). And we insert a space between the number and the unit: "3 V and not 3V". I wonder what the rules are in other countries, inside [including the UK :-)] and outside Europe because I see a lot of variations in spelling of units on the reflector. Dick, PA0SE =========== The policy with RadCom is almost the same, except we would use ohms plural. Also the units are close against the number, eg 7.5W. Abbreviations are in capitals, with no full points between, eg RMS or SWR. Other UK magazines do things differently. Short Wave Magazine would say s.w.r. - so there are no country-wide rules. Mike, G3XDV former RSGB Publications Manager From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8365 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 25365 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 15:32:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f24y-0007oJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:04:52 +0000 Received: from fep02-svc.mail.telepac.pt ([194.65.5.201]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f24x-0007oB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:04:51 +0000 Received: from host ([212.55.189.112]) by fep02-svc.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with SMTP id <20020224153027.BMJX28023.fep02-svc.mail.telepac.pt@host> for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:30:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c1bd47$a29843a0$11d9fea9@telepac.pt> From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9z6SBkZSBT4Q==?=" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224154601.01d736e0@pop.tiscalinet.it> Subject: Re: LF: Spelling of units Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:26:16 -0000 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Emanuel_Ribeiro_de_S=E1?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Theres is no plural for the International System measuring units. So theres no such thing as Ohms, Volts or Watts, eg.: it should be read 5 Watt not 5 Watts. Well I keep on hearing many well known Dxers saying 73's... but it should be said 73, HI ! (just a little joke). 73 Jose CT1EEB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18471 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 15:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 15:14:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14293 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 15:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 15:14:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f1pa-0007ib-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:48:58 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f1pZ-0007iW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:48:57 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16f0Ih-0001xY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:10:55 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c1bd45$7b7a72e0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: MT Hell Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:11:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Markus and all. Thanks for the program, It works fine! I have put it on the web-site as a zip archive (including QBasic, sorry Bill). If anyone wants to try it, just extract to a directory C:\Hell and you won't need to edit the files. Link on the "Downloads" page and from the news item. I have some info from F6BWO. He is still sending 30sec dot QRSS until about 0040utc (I think.... QRM was bad!) each night for trans-Atlantic tests. Is anyone still looking? He also tells me of a new French station F6CWA who is on 136.5 from 120km South of Lyon, i.e. a long way South! Perhaps the Italian stations can work him first. 73 Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24001 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 15:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 15:12:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29526 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 15:12:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 15:12:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f1nZ-0007hq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:46:53 +0000 Received: from siaag2ad.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.134]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f1nY-0007hl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:46:52 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id KAA05138 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:08:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:08:01 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: Infos obout lf qrp To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202241008_MC3-F333-C6EE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Walter, >Walter, DL1KSW 24.02.02 >Hello, >I am new in this list, at first some short infos oubt me: >I am 50 years "young" and my license ist 10 jears "old". >I am member of AGCW-DL and member of DL-QRP-AG. >Now I want to be in future qrv on the lf band 136khz. >I want to be qrv in slow cw with PC/soundcard and qrv with "fingers-cw". >My Icom IC 706 MKII not so good for receive 136khz, I want a homemade TRX. >Now my questions: >Can anyone send me tips for a TRX or RX and TX for this band with 5 watt Output? >I want, that the RX and TX are to communicate with the soundcard of PC, for >example with optokoppler integrate in RX and TX. RX/TX also communicate with my >fingers CW, with a Elbug. ... welcome to the fascinating world of LF! There are some easy and simple-to-build transmitters on the web, to begin with I would suggest to build the DF3LP tranmitter (http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/137khz/LF-transmitter.html) that produces about 50 Watt but surely can be run with less. OM2TW has designed a simple 5 Watt PA for LF using a TDA 2030 (http://www.qsl.net/om2tw/index_files/obsah_files/tx_136.pdf) that I use successfully as a buffer for my PA. Just one word of warning: you may expect your antenna to produce a "gain" of minus 30 to minus 40 dB (!) compared to a dipole, so whatever power you run, you will allways run QRP! Using real 5 Watts PA output will be a challenge! With my 350 Watt PA (and a special permit from the RegTP) I produce approx. 250 mW ERP! You find lonks to most of the active LF amateurs who run a website on http://www.qru.de/links.html Best 73 and see you on LF! Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17680 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 14:58:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 14:58:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23456 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 14:58:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 14:58:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f1Z1-0007fI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:31:51 +0000 Received: from mail-4.tiscalinet.it ([195.130.225.150] helo=mail.tiscalinet.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f1Z0-0007fD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:31:50 +0000 Received: from ath650.tiscalinet.it (62.10.40.78) by mail.tiscalinet.it (5.5.053) id 3C60549900A03AE6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:53:16 +0100 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224154601.01d736e0@pop.tiscalinet.it> X-Sender: spin.elec@pop.tiscalinet.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:51:52 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Marco Bruno IK1ODO" Subject: Re: LF: Spelling of units In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 13.51 24/02/02, you wrote: >Dear OM, > >The following matter has nothing to do with LF but as former editor and >corrector of VERON magazine Electron I nevertheless take the liberty to >beg your opinion on it. > >In our country units that are derived from the names of scientists are >written with a lower case letter; for instance volt, ampčre, watt, etc.; >not Volt, Ampčre, Watt. When abbreviated we use a capital letter, so V, A, >W etc. We also write "5 ohm, not 5 Ohms" (no plural). And we insert a >space between the number and the unit: "3 V and not 3V". > >I wonder what the rules are in other countries, inside [including the >UK :-)] and outside Europe because I see a lot of variations in spelling >of units on the reflector. > >73, Dick, PA0SE Same here in Italy, Dick. I don't have my metrology book at hand, but you are simply following International System's rules. Often disattended... By instance, look at the ARRL Handbook. Almost all ok, but they take plurals (ohms, volts). 73 Marco Bruno - IK1ODO ik1odo@libero.it From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25077 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 14:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 14:06:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29710 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 14:06:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 14:06:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f0mo-0007YQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:42:02 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f0mm-0007YL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:42:01 +0000 Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ezAP-0003Wc-08; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:58:17 +0100 Received: from (024074273-0001@[217.2.116.26]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ezAK-0gtu52C; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:58:12 +0100 From: "Walter Schmischke" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Infos obout lf qrp X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:58:12 +0100 Message-ID: <16ezAK-0gtu52C@fwd07.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 024074273-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter, DL1KSW 24.02.02 Hello, now, only 3 ours later, I got many answers from members of the lf list. Thank you very much, I will now look at first the adresses in the internet, I have become from you all. I will read this tips and than start the lf projekt step for step. I know, that my project with 5 watt output is very few power. But I think I try it for the first time in slow cw with sound card. My antenna ist a Titanex GP 12,8m high with many radials in my garden. I will tell the list, when I have problems or success. Thank you very much, 72, 73, de Walter, DL1KSW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26932 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 13:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 13:35:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17727 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 13:35:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 13:35:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f0JH-0007Rg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:11:31 +0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f0JG-0007Rb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:11:30 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.83.1744067a (18254) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:32:54 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <83.1744067a.29aa4585@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:32:53 EST Subject: LF: Chirped Hell G3YXM-DK8KW To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dave and all, reading the news about your fb chirped-Hell contact with Geri made me happy, I had always hoped that someone might pick up the stuff and use it. Wish I could have joined in, but my TX-ant won't stand the current winds. > I hope Markus will soon have a release version of the software? Of course it's free for all amateur use (at least for those pioneers willing to work their way through the awkward QBasic procedure ;-) ), and if you like, feel free to place it on your excellent website. Even though I'd prefer to produce a shiny self-contained and user-friendly program, I've given up the thought long ago due to my lack of expertise re Windows programming, and of time. But there is hope: Wolf DL4YHF is investigating the inclusion of the quadratic-phase chirps into the PMT-Hell mode of SpecLab, certainly an ideal environment for all kinds of experiments. 73 and kind regards Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6467 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 13:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 13:35:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17333 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 13:35:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 13:35:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f0GV-0007Qt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:08:39 +0000 Received: from cmailenv1.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.53]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16f0GV-0007Qo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:08:39 +0000 Received: from [62.21.149.81] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16eyjd-0005iB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:30:38 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224143037.009e8480@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:35:15 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: LF: New PA-station MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dr. OM,

Just worked a new one, PA3EGO, my 18th PA-station. Operator is Wim and QTH De Meern, near Utrecht.
I gave him RST 579 and received RST 599.

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15607 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 12:53:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 12:53:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27935 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 12:53:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 12:53:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ezaD-0007JA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:24:57 +0000 Received: from cmailenv4.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.56]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ezaC-0007J5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:24:56 +0000 Received: from [62.21.135.64] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16ey3K-0002kK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:46:54 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020224133138.009f8e50@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:51:36 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: LF: Spelling of units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear OM,

The following matter has nothing to do with LF but as former editor and corrector of VERON magazine Electron I nevertheless take the liberty to beg your opinion on it.

In our country units that are derived from the names of scientists are written with a lower case letter; for instance volt, ampčre, watt, etc.; not Volt, Ampčre, Watt. When abbreviated we use a capital letter, so V, A, W etc. We also write "5 ohm, not 5 Ohms" (no plural).  And we insert a space between the number and the unit: "3 V and not 3V".

I wonder what the rules are in other countries, inside [including the UK  :-)]  and outside Europe because I see a lot of variations in spelling of units on the reflector.

73, Dick, PA0SE   From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13445 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 12:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 12:21:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21641 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 12:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 12:21:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ez7O-0007Bb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:55:10 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ez7N-0007BW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:55:09 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-74.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.74] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16exP2-0005bk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:05:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3C78D9CE.33CE1C07@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:17:18 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 New station References: <000701c1bc9f$8f80f620$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie Mayhead wrote: > Just worked EI3CZ Rod in Dublin new station to me, also he says he is fairly > new to the band. Running 200W to a VERT ANT, so welcome Rod. > 73s Laurie. I first worked ROD/EI3CZ on 13 -Dec- 2001 and several times since. He could pop up at any time. G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8787 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 12:20:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 12:20:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20851 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 12:20:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 12:20:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ez7C-0007BU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:54:58 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ez7B-0007BP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:54:57 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-74.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.74] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16exOo-0005au-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:05:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3C78D9BE.72B84542@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:17:02 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 40673 References: <3C77E597.1BBD6CB1@netscapeonline.co.uk> <003801c1bcbe$facf9200$0785fc3e@ian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Ian Kyle wrote: > HI Mal, > > 40673 now obsolete and very hard to get. Last lot of ten I managed to get > were at the 'Dag voor de Amateur' at Apeldoorn three years ago. > However when you come across with the half-gallon of best ale you owe me for > the Decca coil I might consider letting you have a couple as a tip. Hello Ian. Wondered where you had gone, not heard you about for some time. I have a Level meter SPM12 with a 10 khz IF output and I have built a product det for it but need the 40673 or equiv for the mixer. If you have a couple spare I could do with them. I have not forgotten about the BEER that I owe you for the coil. I should be over around Easter time and hopefully will see you then so settle my debt hi LF not too busy at present. I go on most days on 136 khz and call CQ and manage to work the odd one mostly on the Continent. I had a bash the other night on QRS, Dexter/W4DEX was able to see the signal but condx not as good as they have been around Dec/Jan. I had a xband QSO with him earlier on in the year 136/7025 xband. I keep at it and so far have worked 24 countries, 3 of these xband VE, W, EA1 My TX is dual band and works 73 khz with the same rf output but the acty is virtually nil on the band so I dont bother. If you get going then I will fire it up for a GI qso. Now QRU and tnx for the info about the fets. Hope you are keeping well. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV/EI2AE > > > Ian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15850 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 11:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 11:55:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7243 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 11:55:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 11:55:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eykH-00077f-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:31:17 +0000 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.164]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eykG-00077a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:31:16 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.104.117a21bf (4258) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 06:52:40 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <104.117a21bf.29aa2e08@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 06:52:40 EST Subject: Re: LF: Infos about lf qrp To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Walter,

Welcome to the LF family !

Though someone may start screaming now:
I suggest to get the "Low Frequency Experimenters handbook" from the RSGB, edited by Peter G3LDO. It has a lot of circuit diagrams and other useful info.
Some of the schematics may be found on G3YXM's website (just ask the big Google for Dave's web address).
The handbook can be bought at the RSGB stand of the larger hamfests (Amateurfunk-"Flohmärkte") in DL, or possibly ordered in a bookstore by ISBN 1-872309-65-8.

Good luck on LF !

73 Wolf
 DL4YHF / DF0WD,   Loc JO42FD (Spenge nr Bielefeld).



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15196 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 11:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 11:04:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8556 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 11:04:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 11:04:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16exwn-00070v-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:40:09 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16exwn-00070q-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:40:09 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p0812.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.202.49]) by smtp1.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1OB25F21836 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:02:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200202241102.g1OB25F21836@smtp1.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:2:43 +0000 From: "K. Versteeg" To: "LF [RSGB]" Subject: LF: Fw: X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From: "Mr. ESTIG DEALER" >To: >Subject: >Hi my name is Carlos I'm 25 I live in Portugal and I searching for the electric plan of microwaves receiver or better software for windows for catch the frequency between the 1hz and the 500hz. Do you now any one who have that? Thank you for your attention. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6398 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 10:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 10:59:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6646 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 10:59:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 10:59:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16exr7-0006z9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:34:17 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16exr6-0006z4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:34:16 +0000 Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ewDR-0001Fy-07; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:49:13 +0100 Received: from (024074273-0001@[217.2.117.128]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ewDM-1Hp8EaC; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:49:08 +0100 From: "Walter Schmischke" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Infos obout lf qrp X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:49:08 +0100 Message-ID: <16ewDM-1Hp8EaC@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 024074273-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter, DL1KSW 24.02.02 Hello, I am new in this list, at first some short infos oubt me: I am 50 years "young" and my license ist 10 jears "old". I am member of AGCW-DL and member of DL-QRP-AG. Now I want to be in future qrv on the lf band 136khz. I want to be qrv in slow cw with PC/soundcard and qrv with "fingers-cw". My Icom IC 706 MKII not so good for receive 136khz, I want a homemade TRX. Now my questions: Can anyone send me tips for a TRX or RX and TX for this band with 5 watt Output? I want, that the RX and TX are to communicate with the soundcard of PC, for example with optokoppler integrate in RX and TX. RX/TX also communicate with my fingers CW, with a Elbug. I beg your pardon, my shool-english is 30 years old, I never need my English after that. Thank you very much, 72, 73, de Walter, DL1KSW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28116 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 08:42:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 08:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 4543 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 08:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 08:42:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16evhn-0006jo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:16:31 +0000 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.173]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16evhm-0006jj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:16:30 +0000 Received: from modem-98.annael.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.115.98] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16euAs-0002YP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:38:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c1bd0e$d1985de0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c1bc9f$8f80f620$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <02022123023900.00704@base> Subject: Re: LF: 136 New station Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:39:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ----- Original Message ----- From: VALERIO To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: 136 New station > On Saturday 23 February 2002 20:22, you wrote: > > Just worked EI3CZ Rod in Dublin new station to me, also he says he is > > fairly new to the band. Running 200W to a VERT ANT, so welcome Rod. > > 73s Laurie. > Hello Laurie and others, > is possible to have a sked with hime ? > '73, Valerio (IK5ZPV) > > Don't know wether he is on this reflector, if I hear him on 136 I will tell him you would like sked. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20100 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 04:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 04:29:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20209 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 04:29:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 04:29:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16erhc-0006J3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 06:00:04 +0000 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16erhb-0006IN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 06:00:04 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.17b.40ec5cc (15864) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID63-0223232119; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:21:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:21:18 EST From: Carmelink@aol.com Subject: re LF: 40673 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <17b.40ec5cc.29a9c43f@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: One site is selling the NTE222 dual gate FET as a replacement for the 40673 and for some 3N200 series types: http://www.dckits.com/semis2.htm Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27051 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 01:26:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 01:26:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10981 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2002 01:26:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2002 01:26:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eotz-0005te-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:00:39 +0000 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.104]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eotv-0005tZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:00:37 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.180.413f919 (16635) for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:22:00 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <180.413f919.29a99a37@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:21:59 EST Subject: Re: LF: 40673 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 2/23/02 7:11:15 PM GMT Standard Time, gii3kev@netscapeonline.co.uk writes:







   Does anyone know a source for obtaining fet type 40673, the usual
mixer type fet.
They do not seem to be listed in the normal supplier catalogues.
de Mal/G3KEV






These were made obsolete about 10 years ago. There may be some old stock around. Mainline in Leicester are worth a try. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18825 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 23:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 23:08:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 23877 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 23:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 23:08:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eml2-0005ae-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:43:16 +0000 Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net ([62.253.164.42]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eml2-0005aZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:43:16 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.132.160]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020223230514.WIZR4469.mta2-svc.virgin.net@ian> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:05:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003801c1bcbe$facf9200$0785fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C77E597.1BBD6CB1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: 40673 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:07:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: HI Mal, 40673 now obsolete and very hard to get. Last lot of ten I managed to get were at the 'Dag voor de Amateur' at Apeldoorn three years ago. However when you come across with the half-gallon of best ale you owe me for the Decca coil I might consider letting you have a couple as a tip. Ian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7027 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 22:16:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 22:16:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26895 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 22:16:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 22:16:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16elu0-0005PD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:48:28 +0000 Received: from mta09-acc.tin.it ([212.216.176.40] helo=fep09-svc.tin.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eltz-0005P8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:48:27 +0000 Received: from base ([212.171.197.250]) by fep09-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20020223220939.EZZZ7514.fep09-svc.tin.it@base> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:09:39 +0100 From: "VALERIO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 New station Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:02:39 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed References: <000701c1bc9f$8f80f620$05e9fea9@g3aqc> In-reply-to: <000701c1bc9f$8f80f620$05e9fea9@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <02022123023900.00704@base> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: On Saturday 23 February 2002 20:22, you wrote: > Just worked EI3CZ Rod in Dublin new station to me, also he says he is > fairly new to the band. Running 200W to a VERT ANT, so welcome Rod. > 73s Laurie. Hello Laurie and others, is possible to have a sked with hime ? '73, Valerio (IK5ZPV) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 545 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 19:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 19:28:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8219 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 19:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 19:28:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ejH1-00056e-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:00:03 +0000 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.211]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ejH0-00056Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:00:03 +0000 Received: from modem-238.elbereth.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.178.238] helo=g3aqc) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16ehk9-0006st-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:22:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c1bc9f$8f80f620$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 New station Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:22:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Just worked EI3CZ Rod in Dublin new station to me, also he says he is fairly new to the band. Running 200W to a VERT ANT, so welcome Rod. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19525 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 19:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 19:11:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29478 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 19:11:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 19:11:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ej3i-00054H-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:46:18 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ej3h-00054C-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 20:46:17 +0000 Received: from ldsas10-74-125-196.cw-visp.com ([212.137.125.196] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ehLL-00000S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:56:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3C77E597.1BBD6CB1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:55:19 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: 40673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Does anyone know a source for obtaining fet type 40673, the usual mixer type fet. They do not seem to be listed in the normal supplier catalogues. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7639 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 15:37:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 15:37:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20835 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 15:37:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 15:37:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16efhl-0004hK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:11:25 +0000 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.53.94] helo=blueyonder.co.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16efhk-0004hF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:11:24 +0000 Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:33:06 +0000 Received: from vigor.robgill.org (unverified [62.30.62.69]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:33:06 +0000 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020223151941.00c84aa0@pop.freeserve.net> X-Sender: twickenham.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:31:53 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rob Gill" Subject: Re: LF: Baird! (off topic) In-reply-to: <000f01c1bc65$60108a20$1400000a@tt> References: <3C75434F.5443D1B2@netscapeonline.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020223103101.009f2b30@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Richard, The Narrow Bandwith TV Association is a good place to start: http://www.nbtv.wyenet.co.uk/ or via the mirror on the BATC web site: http://www.batc.org.uk/index.htm A slight, further, diversion to http://www.dfm.dircon.co.uk/index.htm leads to some interesting items on use of modern techniques to recover early 30-line mechanically scanned TV recordings. An interesting diversion when local QRM becomes unbearable! 73 Rob ................ At 13:26 23/02/02 +0100, you wrote: >>>SNIP. Another example of this is Victor G3SDQ who is currently trying >>>to work me on 136 from Leyton who has just built himself a 625 to 35 >>>line converter so he can watch his favourite programmes on a Baird TV. >>> >>>Does anyone know if the info about this is on the net somewhere - could >>>be interesting reading! >>> >>>Richard ex G6GGE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11086 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 14:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 14:17:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 27142 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 14:17:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eeSI-0004XF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:51:22 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eeSH-0004XA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:51:21 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16ecvQ-0000ef-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:13:20 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c1bc74$4704a700$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202230842_MC3-F30E-BEE2@compuserve.com> Subject: LF: Re: Slow Hell Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:13:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks Geri I'll look forward to working you with Markus's program. Dave 'YXM > >I just saw someone calling DJ1YFK on slow Hell, I think it was Geri. > >How did yoiu send it Geri? Is there a way of doing it from a sound card? > >73 >Dave >G3YXM. ... yes, indeed, it was me, I just had my first Slow-Hell QSO with Fabian, DJ1YFK who responded in QRSS. I used a piece of software written in by Markus, DF6NM in QBASIC. Once set up it is simple but relatively easy to use. Currently I only have a German explanation of how to set up the software, but with Markus' permission I will translate the text and can send you the small software. It consists of two programs, one that sets up all needed characters in the frequencies needed and another one that converts those small WAV files into a large one that is then transmitted through the Windows-Sound player to the soundcard. This process is automated by a batch-file (.BAT). So see you in Slow-Hell, PSK08, PSK31 and all the other nice modes you can generate with an SSB exciter. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18111 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 13:49:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 13:49:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8600 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 13:49:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 13:49:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16edzt-0004T9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:22:01 +0000 Received: from siaag2ac.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.133]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16edzr-0004T4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:21:59 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id IAA28837 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:43:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:42:27 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: Slow Hell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202230842_MC3-F30E-BEE2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Dave, > >I just saw someone calling DJ1YFK on slow Hell, I think it was Geri. > >How did yoiu send it Geri? Is there a way of doing it from a sound card? > >73 >Dave >G3YXM. ... yes, indeed, it was me, I just had my first Slow-Hell QSO with Fabian, DJ1YFK who responded in QRSS. I used a piece of software written in by Markus, DF6NM in QBASIC. Once set up it is simple but relatively easy to use. Currently I only have a German explanation of how to set up the software, but with Markus' permission I will translate the text and can send you the small software. It consists of two programs, one that sets up all needed characters in the frequencies needed and another one that converts those small WAV files into a large one that is then transmitted through the Windows-Sound player to the soundcard. This process is automated by a batch-file (.BAT). I have also solved the difficulties I had with my SSB transmitter, the Hagenuk EX-1001. Originally this device delivers about 50 mW on 136 kHz, so I build a small amplifier (thanks to the idea of OM2TW) using a TDA2030. This buffer needs approximately 18 Volt, so I used a voltage that was present in the device. Well, accidently it was the 18 Volt line that also supplies the temperature compensated crystal oscillator, so I had AM and FM on my signal. Now I supply the buffer-PA externally and now my signal is roch stabil! So see you in Slow-Hell, PSK08, PSK31 and all the other nice modes you can generate with an SSB exciter. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1585 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 13:32:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 13:32:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 28382 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 13:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 13:32:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16edkU-0004Qe-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:06:06 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16edkT-0004QZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:06:05 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16ecDb-0000Kw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:28:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c1bc6d$f34c3700$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: Slow Hell Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:28:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I just saw someone calling DJ1YFK on slow Hell, I think it was Geri.
 
How did yoiu send it Geri? Is there a way of doing it from a sound card?
 
73
Dave
G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1113 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 12:34:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 12:34:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15922 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 12:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 12:34:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ecq2-0004JG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:07:46 +0000 Received: from ananke4.qdnet.pl ([195.116.13.4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ecq0-0004JB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:07:45 +0000 Received: from tt ([212.244.254.114]) by ananke4.qdnet.pl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.1600); Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:28:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c1bc65$60108a20$1400000a@tt> From: "Richard S Hill" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C75434F.5443D1B2@netscapeonline.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020223103101.009f2b30@POP3.freeler.nl> Subject: LF: Baird! Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:26:50 +0100 Organization: translations@qdnet.pl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2002 12:28:43.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[A192DD40:01C1BC65] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
SNIP. Another example of this is Victor G3SDQ  who is currently trying to work me on 136 from Leyton who has just built himself a 625 to 35 line converter so he can watch his favourite programmes on a Baird TV.
 
Does anyone know if the info about this is on the net somewhere - could be interesting reading!
 
Richard ex G6GGE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27250 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 10:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 10:47:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4029 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2002 10:47:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Feb 2002 10:47:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eb3F-000469-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:13:17 +0000 Received: from cmailenv3.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.55]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eb3E-000464-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:13:16 +0000 Received: from [62.21.136.210] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16eZWM-0006WW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:35:15 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020223103101.009f2b30@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:32:40 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: Re: LF: Electro Mechanical RX In-reply-to: <000b01c1bb22$d4baf930$63037ad5@computer> References: <3C75434F.5443D1B2@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Jim and others,

I also enjoyed your article. Almost steam radio...

73, Dick, PA0SE


At 21:57 21-2-02 +0000, you wrote:
Have just read with much pleasure M0BMU's article in radcom. I have often
I thought that such projects are the cream of armature tradition. We should
have an annual awards ceremony for the most oddball innovations. Another
example of this is Victor G3SDQ  who is currently trying to work me on 136
from Leyton who has just built himself a 625 to 35 line converter so he can
watch his favourite programmes on a Baird TV.

Long live the armature.

Martin M0MGM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19661 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 23:43:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 23:43:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23696 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 23:43:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 23:43:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eQqJ-0002wp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:19:15 +0000 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.100]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eQqI-0002wk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:19:14 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.20.244e4e5b (15865) for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-0222184037; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:40:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 18:40:37 EST From: Carmelink@aol.com Subject: Re LF: Off topic help needed To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <20.244e4e5b.29a830f5@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: For Ian, There are some Cohn crystal filters at http://www.qsl.net/aa3sj/Pages/H-40.html Motorola MRF286- selection guide: gw.hb9ww.ampr.org/ftp/tech/SG46.pdf product review: http://www.edtn.com/analog/product_archives/prod99.htm For this sort of search,www.google.com is a good engine; try the Advanced Search feature to play with the wording for best results. 73, Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24387 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 21:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 21:45:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 29571 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 21:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 21:45:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eOz2-0002dQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:20:08 +0000 Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net ([62.253.164.42]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eOz1-0002dL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:20:07 +0000 Received: from ian ([62.252.133.129]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020222214206.IJJB4469.mta2-svc.virgin.net@ian> for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:42:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c1bbea$30b20900$8185fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Off topic help wanted. Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:43:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Can anyone point me in the direction of information about Cohn type filter design as applied to ladder crystal filters? Also info on Motorola MRF286 devices? Now on topic. At long last metal is being tortured and rebuilding actually in progress on the 73 KHz kit, aided by the acquisition of a TS850 with narrow filters. Long way to go but at least on the way. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11499 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 20:03:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 20:03:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7897 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 20:03:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 20:03:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eNGR-0002M4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:29:59 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16eNGQ-0002Lz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:29:58 +0000 Received: from host213-122-132-227.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.132.227] helo=computer) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16eLjY-0001hH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:51:57 +0000 Message-ID: <004301c1bbda$5f375150$e3847ad5@computer> From: "Martin M0MGM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C75434F.5443D1B2@netscapeonline.co.uk> <000b01c1bb22$d4baf930$63037ad5@computer> <018801c1bb28$0b8a8d40$0130f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Electro Mechanical RX Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:51:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Play on words that clearly missed its mark. Amateur as in Ham, Armature as in Motor which is an electromechanical device. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: Electro Mechanical RX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin M0MGM" > > thought that such projects are the cream of armature tradition. > ....................................................................!!!!!!!! > !! > > 73 de > John Rabson G3PAI > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7029 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 22:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 22:40:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 20159 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 22:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 22:40:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16e3Le-00083y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:14:02 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16e3Ld-00083t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:14:01 +0000 Received: from abc (bts-0001.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.48.1]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id g1LMZw728502 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:35:58 GMT Message-ID: <018801c1bb28$0b8a8d40$0130f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C75434F.5443D1B2@netscapeonline.co.uk> <000b01c1bb22$d4baf930$63037ad5@computer> Subject: LF: Re: Electro Mechanical RX Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:35:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin M0MGM" > thought that such projects are the cream of armature tradition. ....................................................................!!!!!!!! !! 73 de John Rabson G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9282 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 22:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 22:14:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 256 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 22:14:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 22:14:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16e2kL-0007tt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:35:29 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16e2kK-0007to-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:35:28 +0000 Received: from host213-122-3-99.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.3.99] helo=computer) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16e1DT-0007DP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:57:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c1bb22$d4baf930$63037ad5@computer> From: "Martin M0MGM" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C75434F.5443D1B2@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: LF: Electro Mechanical RX Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:57:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Have just read with much pleasure M0BMU's article in radcom. I have often thought that such projects are the cream of armature tradition. We should have an annual awards ceremony for the most oddball innovations. Another example of this is Victor G3SDQ who is currently trying to work me on 136 from Leyton who has just built himself a 625 to 35 line converter so he can watch his favourite programmes on a Baird TV. Long live the armature. Martin M0MGM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13003 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 19:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 19:12:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1970 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2002 19:12:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Feb 2002 19:12:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dzww-0007W3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:36:18 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dzwv-0007Vy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:36:17 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-156.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.156] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16dyEZ-0001wV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:46:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3C75434F.5443D1B2@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:58:23 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: JEEPS GALORE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have heard via the grapvine that 10 JEEPS have been sited in a scrapyard in Scotland, condition not known. They consist of two racks 2 x5 units plus other ancillary bits. I will investigate further and get 2 modules one low band and one high band for 73/136 respectively for evulation purposes. Although the asking scrap price is less than Ł50 for the lot the transportation and journey would be another consideration. There seems to be no interest in GM in the units, since there is only one amateur active and he uses tubes. If I have to go for 2 units I suppose I may as well have the lot !!!!!! at least I will have plenty of spares hi I dont suppose they will do any better than my home built TX. 73 De Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9267 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 19:08:10 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 19:08:10 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7795 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 19:08:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 19:08:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ddQ3-0004My-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:32:51 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ddQ2-0004Mt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:32:50 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16dbtB-0004PK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:54:49 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16dbtA-0001dy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:54:48 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020220173137.00ac9cc0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:51:51 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: RE: LF: Re: Vectorscope display In-reply-to: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Claudio wrote: >Now in my receiver I use 4 tuned >circuits, with strong high frequency attenuation (46 dB at 200 kHz and 80 dB >from 500 kHz to up). This configuration attenuate MW broadcasting signals. >This >front-end also attenuate the image frequency. That is a nice feature of only having to cover a narrow range of frequencies - I use a similar approach on transmit to generate the Jason signal - I mix 4.5kHz output from the sound card with 133 kHz to get 137.5kHz - the correct sideband is selected by a 4 pole bandpass filter which covers the full 136kHz band - unwanted mixing products are down by 65dB or greater, without requiring the added complexity of phase shift networks and I/Q mixers. It does depend on having higher "audio" frequencies than usual. Johan wrote: I have a little problem. My CW BFO is not locked to the 5MHz reference as all the other oscillators in the RX are so it is quite useless for narrowband work. I have two options, either to use SSB filter and find some way to remove the harmonic response from the vectorscope mixer (becomes a problem at about 1000 Hz vectorscope LO and below) or to use CW mode with SSB BFO which is not fun at all because of double sided reception (+3dB more noise at best). Should I build a preselector BPF for the vectorscope or should I build a 199 or 201 kHz phase locked BFO for use with the narrow CW filter? Any ideas? A simple 1kHz bandpass filter on the input of the vectorscope circuit to prevent harmonics of the LO frequency getting in would be a quick answer - but I would think using a modification of your DDS source to generate the BFO signal and then have the I/Q mixers operating directly at the 200kHz IF frequency would be the best idea, because it would remove restrictions on the use of the filters. With a 32 bit phase accumulator and 5MHz clock, you could generate about 800kHz, then use the ring counter circuit to get quadrature outputs at 200kHz - this would give you sub-millihertz BFO resolution, which should be enough for most things, together with the stability of the 5MHz reference. It would also make a very nice tuneable BFO for the RX, and there are probably other things you can do with the I/Q outputs... There is no particular upper frequency limit on the mixer circuit - as shown it should be OK to a couple of hundred kHz, although you might want to use faster op-amps for the phase splitter, or a push-pull transformer. Using the 74HC4053 instead of the 4053 should extend it to several MHz. Or use a couple of SBL-1 mixers up to VHF - so long as the output is DC coupled the result will be the same. The circuit as shown is only an initial experiment - it could be improved a lot for low noise, high speed etc. The selectivity of the system is defined by the single RC low-pass sections, which could usefully be replaced by higher order active or passive low-pass filters. The cut off frequency obviously needs to be high enough to pass the sidebands of whatever type of modulated signal it is being used with. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18029 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 14:50:17 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 14:50:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10845 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 14:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 14:50:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dZYh-0003nt-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:25:31 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dZYg-0003nl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:25:30 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g1KEkhxv104114; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:46:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020220154238.21d740ca@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:42:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: bugs in QRSS ? Cc: lowfer@mailman.qth.net In-reply-to: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: About 10 days ago following mail was sent via the RSGB and lowfer@qth.net reflectors : >I need a decent program for sending QRSS. I have the program called QRSS >version 3.11, but it has a bug in it and I won't use it. I can run DOS or >Windows anything here, so it doesn't matter. >Thanks again, >Mike>WE0H As the author of QRSS I try to keep it up to date and bug-free, so I would appreciate any bug reports. I mailed WE0H, asking for more info, but no reply so far ... The only bug I am aware of was reported by K9EUI : Bob noticed that QRSS stopped after some hours while it was in an endless loop transmitting 'BAT' at 1 minute dotlength. It seems to be some kind of odd time-glitch and dissapeared when changing the call or dotlength. It seems to be a very rare bug and probably 99.9% of the users will never encounter it, but I'm trying to locate and cure it. As I am working on it I can have a look at eventual other bugs too. So if you are aware of any bugs please let me know, to avoid inconvenience on the reflectors preferable direct to me : ON7YD@QSL.NET 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14099 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 13:33:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 13:33:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 7568 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 13:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 13:02:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dXrT-0003Wk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:36:47 +0000 Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.172]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dXrS-0003Wf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:36:46 +0000 Received: from modem-102.ciryon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.148.102] helo=lvm) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16dWKb-0006em-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:58:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c1ba0e$6b09d700$b667883e@lvm> From: "LAWRENCE MAYHEAD" To: "rsgb lf group" Subject: LF: 73 kHz Jason Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:57:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks for the Jason reports, I will continue this afternoon short transmissions on the hour and half hour. 73s Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27983 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 11:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 11:36:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 14304 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 11:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 11:36:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dWUM-0003JG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:08:50 +0000 Received: from cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.177]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dWUL-0003JB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:08:49 +0000 Received: from modem-54.amandil.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.103.182] helo=lvm) by cmailg7.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16dUxU-0008DV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:30:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c1ba02$217e22a0$b667883e@lvm> From: "LAWRENCE MAYHEAD" To: "rsgb lf group" Subject: LF: 73kHz Jason Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:30:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I am running some Jason tests on 71.8khz now, I can listen on 136.5-136.8 for replies, or reports on this reflector would be welcome. 73s Laurie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15916 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 09:46:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 09:46:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 26586 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 09:46:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 09:46:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dUjV-00031m-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:16:21 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dUjU-00031h-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:16:20 +0000 Received: from host213-122-147-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.147.182] helo=presario-1920) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16dTCd-0007V6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:38:19 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: Vectorscope display Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:40:33 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Speaking from lack of any experience of D/A converters, wouldn't D/A conversion at 136kHz to generate the I&Q channels, thus allowing filtering and DC elimination to be carried out digitally? Wouldn't this overcome th problems Jim rightly pointed out below? Didn't Charles, G4GUO, complete a 136kHz transceiver thing along these lines a year or so ago? John, G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 15:07 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Vectorscope display Dear LF Group, I had the usual crop of bouncing e-mails, but I hope I have now sent the vectorscope circuit to all who have requested it. Thanks to G3YXM for putting it on his web pages - so hopefully it will also be available there shortly. Correction - I don't seem to be able to send it to sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se, Johan, so perhaps you can get it from Dave's site later, or is there something else I can do? Re: Andy's comment: ...how about the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature signals at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? A low noise, high gain version of the circuit would certainly be possible, but there are a number of problems to be overcome here: The signal spectrum at the mixer output extends to DC, so any DC offsets will be amplified as well as the wanted signals. This would saturate the output unless offsets could be kept down to a few uV. Even then, the remaining offset would effectively be an unwanted 0Hz "carrier" in the demodulated output spectrum. A related problem is that the noise figure of amplifers, etc. increases drastically at very low frequencies due to flicker noise. Both these problems could be avoided by having AC coupling, but this would put a hole in the received signal spectrum around the LO frequency. Also, if we low pass filter the I and Q channels in order to define the bandwidth, any mismatches between the filters in the two channels would result in errors in the phase quadrature between the 2 channels, which would be a problem if good image rejection between the sidebands were required in subsequent demodulation of the signal. I think it would probably be possible to achieve a useable result for a dedicated 136kHz RX - a fairly simple bandpass filter before the mixers could restrict the bandwidth to a few kHz, and some pre-mixer gain could be applied, reducing the post mixer gain required and reducing the effects of offsets. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13821 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 21:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 21:40:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 11561 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 21:40:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 21:40:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dJSL-0001Tn-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:13:53 +0000 Received: from fep04.swip.net ([130.244.199.132] helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dJSK-0001Ti-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:13:52 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.38.195]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020219213549.BXIP3384.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:35:49 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c1b98d$83568fa0$c32665d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Vectorscope display Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:35:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: >I don't seem to be able to send it to >sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se, Johan, so perhaps you can get it from Dave's site >later, or is there something else I can do? No problem. The bounce message you got must have been a false alarm. Your message arrived here in one piece at 1255 UTC. Thanks! It looks almost identical to my drawing... What a coincidence. I have a little problem. My CW BFO is not locked to the 5MHz reference as all the other oscillators in the RX are so it is quite useless for narrowband work. I have two options, either to use SSB filter and find some way to remove the harmonic response from the vectorscope mixer (becomes a problem at about 1000 Hz vectorscope LO and below) or to use CW mode with SSB BFO which is not fun at all because of double sided reception (+3dB more noise at best). Should I build a preselector BPF for the vectorscope or should I build a 199 or 201 kHz phase locked BFO for use with the narrow CW filter? Any ideas? 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27247 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 19:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 19:31:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24544 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 19:31:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 19:31:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dHOy-0001Bf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:02:16 +0000 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dHOx-0001BT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:02:15 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.104.113dcd26 (17377) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:23:38 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <104.113dcd26.29a4003a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:23:38 EST Subject: Re: LF: Slightly OT, but amusing... To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alberto,

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3098 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 19:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 19:18:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 13875 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 19:18:46 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 19:18:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dHC9-00017s-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:49:01 +0000 Received: from pop.tiscalinet.it ([195.130.225.147] helo=mail.tiscalinet.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dHC7-00017n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:48:59 +0000 Received: from orion.pii.net (62.11.52.75) by mail.tiscalinet.it (5.5.053) id 3C60547300834796; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:10:25 +0100 Received: (from clapo@localhost) by orion.pii.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00734; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:09:38 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:09:37 +0100 (CET) From: "Claudio" To: "James Moritz" Subject: RE: LF: Re: Vectorscope display Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Jim, since about 2 years I use a direct conversion receiver for 136 kHz. The schematic may be downloaded from my web page http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii . So I expose my humble opinion in the matter. 1- Front-end. Here, north Italy, we don't have strong signals near 136 band, DCF39 is not so strong as in Germany. Now in my receiver I use 4 tuned circuits, with strong high frequency attenuation (46 dB at 200 kHz and 80 dB from 500 kHz to up). This configuration attenuate MW broadcasting signals. This front-end also attenuate the image frequency. 2- Mixer. Thank's to the well designed front-end I can use an NE602 IC mixer, not a champion of IP3 but with some gain. I don't have intermoduation problem. 3- Local Oscillator. As on schematics on my web page. The NE602 work well with square wave local oscillator. 4- AF coupling and amplifier. In my ultimate RX version I use only the first OP-AMP, a low noise NE5534. AC coupling, with high pass corner at about 300 Hz, is very useful to attenuate 50 Hz signal and the second and third armonics. The output of the op-amp go to the PC audio board through a 600 ohm 1:1 transformer coming from an old modem. This help to reduce 50 Hz coupling between RX and PC. Note that this transformers are linear from 300 Hz to 300 kHz! 5- Tests. I also have a selective level meter Wandel&Golterman SPM-15. Direct conversion RX and W&G, with a 200 kHz low-pass filter in the input, are comparable. The narrow IF filters (up to 25 Hz bandwith!) of the W&W are not useful if you don't have a strong signal output in the audio band, exceding the dinamic range of the audio board. I also noted that the AGC circuit of HAM equipements is prejudicial in receiving weak signals. Statics and signals that activate AGC reduces the sensitivity of the receiver. So I prefer DC receiver or selective level meter. On 19-Feb-02 James Moritz wrote: > > Re: Andy's comment: > ...how about > the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature signals > at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? > > A low noise, high gain version of the circuit would certainly be possible, > but there are a number of problems to be overcome here: > > The signal spectrum at the mixer output extends to DC, so any DC offsets > will be amplified as well as the wanted signals. This would saturate the > output unless offsets could be kept down to a few uV. Even then, the > remaining offset would effectively be an unwanted 0Hz "carrier" in the > demodulated output spectrum. A related problem is that the noise figure of > amplifers, etc. increases drastically at very low frequencies due to > flicker noise. Both these problems could be avoided by having AC coupling, > but this would put a hole in the received signal spectrum around the LO > frequency. > > Also, if we low pass filter the I and Q channels in order to define the > bandwidth, any mismatches between the filters in the two channels would > result in errors in the phase quadrature between the 2 channels, which > would be a problem if good image rejection between the sidebands were > required in subsequent demodulation of the signal. I think that if mismatches are stable and measurable the software can take in account the mismatch and correct for it. > > I think it would probably be possible to achieve a useable result for a > dedicated 136kHz RX - a fairly simple bandpass filter before the mixers > could restrict the bandwidth to a few kHz, and some pre-mixer gain could be > applied, reducing the post mixer gain required and reducing the effects of > offsets. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > I think that you had a very good idea. DC receiver with I&Q channels driven into an audio board may be the ultimate LF receiver. You vcan also see on the web site of SM5BSZ (search for "Linux pc radio") some useful pages about his I&Q DC receiver for 144 MHz and the DBM mixer to audio amplifier problem. 73 and good thought. Claudio, ik2pii ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claudio Pozzi http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii happy Linux user E-Mail: Claudio Date: 19-Feb-02 Time: 19:07:15 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 18:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 18:27:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8467 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 18:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 18:27:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dGS7-00011o-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:01:27 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dGS6-00011j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:01:26 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1JILx0G003513 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:21:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003d01c1b971$bb884ec0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001901c1b962$0e9eb460$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> <000401c1b96e$e5ac4ce0$1700a8c0@home> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vectorscope display Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:17:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thank you Dave!! Paul W1VLF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Vectorscope display > > It's now at http://www.wireless.org.uk/XY.htm > > Dave G3YXM. > > > > Hello Jim, > > > > I did not receive an email with the circuit attached and was not able to > > locate it. > > > > Could I bother you to resend > > > > Thank you > > > > W1VLF > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Moritz" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:07 AM > > Subject: LF: Re: Vectorscope display > > > > > > > Dear LF Group, > > > > > > I had the usual crop of bouncing e-mails, but I hope I have now sent the > > > vectorscope circuit to all who have requested it. Thanks to G3YXM for > > > putting it on his web pages - so hopefully it will also be available > there > > > shortly. Correction - I don't seem to be able to send it to > > > sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se, Johan, so perhaps you can get it from Dave's > site > > > later, or is there something else I can do? > > > > > > Re: Andy's comment: > > > ...how about > > > the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature > > signals > > > at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? > > > > > > A low noise, high gain version of the circuit would certainly be > possible, > > > but there are a number of problems to be overcome here: > > > > > > The signal spectrum at the mixer output extends to DC, so any DC offsets > > > will be amplified as well as the wanted signals. This would saturate the > > > output unless offsets could be kept down to a few uV. Even then, the > > > remaining offset would effectively be an unwanted 0Hz "carrier" in the > > > demodulated output spectrum. A related problem is that the noise figure > of > > > amplifers, etc. increases drastically at very low frequencies due to > > > flicker noise. Both these problems could be avoided by having AC > coupling, > > > but this would put a hole in the received signal spectrum around the LO > > > frequency. > > > > > > Also, if we low pass filter the I and Q channels in order to define the > > > bandwidth, any mismatches between the filters in the two channels would > > > result in errors in the phase quadrature between the 2 channels, which > > > would be a problem if good image rejection between the sidebands were > > > required in subsequent demodulation of the signal. > > > > > > I think it would probably be possible to achieve a useable result for a > > > dedicated 136kHz RX - a fairly simple bandpass filter before the mixers > > > could restrict the bandwidth to a few kHz, and some pre-mixer gain could > > be > > > applied, reducing the post mixer gain required and reducing the effects > of > > > offsets. > > > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9070 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 18:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 18:17:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 14231 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 18:17:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 18:17:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dGH8-0000xx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:50:06 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dGH6-0000xe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:50:05 +0000 Received: from host213-1-155-145.btinternet.com ([213.1.155.145] helo=default) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16dEkG-0006qB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:12:04 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c1b970$eb291b60$919b01d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: PSK08 and Jims Vectorscope Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:10:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Andy, well it looks like all of Jim's circuit would work at 137 except the input phase splitter, and it needs a bit more gain. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: Talbot Andrew To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Date: 19 February 2002 09:59 Subject: LF: PSK08 and Jims Vectorscope >Firstly, Jim, can you send me a copy of your vectorscope circuit please - it >may be a case of "Coals to Newcastle" but I'm intrigued ! Now, how about >the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature signals >at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27733 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 18:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 18:09:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4752 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 18:09:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 18:09:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dG2p-0000vb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:35:19 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dG2o-0000vW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:35:18 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16dEVy-0004gK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:57:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c1b96e$e5ac4ce0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001901c1b962$0e9eb460$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Vectorscope display Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:57:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: It's now at http://www.wireless.org.uk/XY.htm Dave G3YXM. > Hello Jim, > > I did not receive an email with the circuit attached and was not able to > locate it. > > Could I bother you to resend > > Thank you > > W1VLF > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:07 AM > Subject: LF: Re: Vectorscope display > > > > Dear LF Group, > > > > I had the usual crop of bouncing e-mails, but I hope I have now sent the > > vectorscope circuit to all who have requested it. Thanks to G3YXM for > > putting it on his web pages - so hopefully it will also be available there > > shortly. Correction - I don't seem to be able to send it to > > sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se, Johan, so perhaps you can get it from Dave's site > > later, or is there something else I can do? > > > > Re: Andy's comment: > > ...how about > > the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature > signals > > at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? > > > > A low noise, high gain version of the circuit would certainly be possible, > > but there are a number of problems to be overcome here: > > > > The signal spectrum at the mixer output extends to DC, so any DC offsets > > will be amplified as well as the wanted signals. This would saturate the > > output unless offsets could be kept down to a few uV. Even then, the > > remaining offset would effectively be an unwanted 0Hz "carrier" in the > > demodulated output spectrum. A related problem is that the noise figure of > > amplifers, etc. increases drastically at very low frequencies due to > > flicker noise. Both these problems could be avoided by having AC coupling, > > but this would put a hole in the received signal spectrum around the LO > > frequency. > > > > Also, if we low pass filter the I and Q channels in order to define the > > bandwidth, any mismatches between the filters in the two channels would > > result in errors in the phase quadrature between the 2 channels, which > > would be a problem if good image rejection between the sidebands were > > required in subsequent demodulation of the signal. > > > > I think it would probably be possible to achieve a useable result for a > > dedicated 136kHz RX - a fairly simple bandpass filter before the mixers > > could restrict the bandwidth to a few kHz, and some pre-mixer gain could > be > > applied, reducing the post mixer gain required and reducing the effects of > > offsets. > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3514 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 16:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 16:42:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3832 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 16:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 16:42:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dEh8-0000gs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:08:50 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dEh7-0000gn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:08:49 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1JGTL0G028812 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:29:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c1b962$0e9eb460$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Vectorscope display Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:25:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Jim, I did not receive an email with the circuit attached and was not able to locate it. Could I bother you to resend Thank you W1VLF ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: LF: Re: Vectorscope display > Dear LF Group, > > I had the usual crop of bouncing e-mails, but I hope I have now sent the > vectorscope circuit to all who have requested it. Thanks to G3YXM for > putting it on his web pages - so hopefully it will also be available there > shortly. Correction - I don't seem to be able to send it to > sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se, Johan, so perhaps you can get it from Dave's site > later, or is there something else I can do? > > Re: Andy's comment: > ...how about > the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature signals > at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? > > A low noise, high gain version of the circuit would certainly be possible, > but there are a number of problems to be overcome here: > > The signal spectrum at the mixer output extends to DC, so any DC offsets > will be amplified as well as the wanted signals. This would saturate the > output unless offsets could be kept down to a few uV. Even then, the > remaining offset would effectively be an unwanted 0Hz "carrier" in the > demodulated output spectrum. A related problem is that the noise figure of > amplifers, etc. increases drastically at very low frequencies due to > flicker noise. Both these problems could be avoided by having AC coupling, > but this would put a hole in the received signal spectrum around the LO > frequency. > > Also, if we low pass filter the I and Q channels in order to define the > bandwidth, any mismatches between the filters in the two channels would > result in errors in the phase quadrature between the 2 channels, which > would be a problem if good image rejection between the sidebands were > required in subsequent demodulation of the signal. > > I think it would probably be possible to achieve a useable result for a > dedicated 136kHz RX - a fairly simple bandpass filter before the mixers > could restrict the bandwidth to a few kHz, and some pre-mixer gain could be > applied, reducing the post mixer gain required and reducing the effects of > offsets. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29898 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 15:24:08 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 15:24:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26416 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 15:24:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 15:24:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dDRJ-0000Qr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:48:25 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dDRI-0000Qm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:48:24 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16dBuR-0002fg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:10:23 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16dBuQ-0006jw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:10:23 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219140019.00ac1d70@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:07:25 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Re: Vectorscope display In-reply-to: <002001c1b8b2$602dfa80$1700a8c0@home> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I had the usual crop of bouncing e-mails, but I hope I have now sent the vectorscope circuit to all who have requested it. Thanks to G3YXM for putting it on his web pages - so hopefully it will also be available there shortly. Correction - I don't seem to be able to send it to sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se, Johan, so perhaps you can get it from Dave's site later, or is there something else I can do? Re: Andy's comment: ...how about the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature signals at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? A low noise, high gain version of the circuit would certainly be possible, but there are a number of problems to be overcome here: The signal spectrum at the mixer output extends to DC, so any DC offsets will be amplified as well as the wanted signals. This would saturate the output unless offsets could be kept down to a few uV. Even then, the remaining offset would effectively be an unwanted 0Hz "carrier" in the demodulated output spectrum. A related problem is that the noise figure of amplifers, etc. increases drastically at very low frequencies due to flicker noise. Both these problems could be avoided by having AC coupling, but this would put a hole in the received signal spectrum around the LO frequency. Also, if we low pass filter the I and Q channels in order to define the bandwidth, any mismatches between the filters in the two channels would result in errors in the phase quadrature between the 2 channels, which would be a problem if good image rejection between the sidebands were required in subsequent demodulation of the signal. I think it would probably be possible to achieve a useable result for a dedicated 136kHz RX - a fairly simple bandpass filter before the mixers could restrict the bandwidth to a few kHz, and some pre-mixer gain could be applied, reducing the post mixer gain required and reducing the effects of offsets. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27835 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 12:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 12:23:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2821 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 12:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 12:23:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dAio-0008TK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:54:18 +0000 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16dAil-0008TE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:54:16 +0000 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24424 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:12:50 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss10.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.76]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO/VER6.00) with ESMTP id g1JCG1052714 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:16:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3C7241D7.4F16EFCF@usa.net> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:15:19 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Slightly OT, but amusing... References: <112.cc2a2d6.29a29426@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I am sure our German friends will find it interesting...:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD ----------------------------------------------- EuroEnglish (The language of the new millenium) ----------------------------------------------- The European Commissioners have announced that an agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for short). In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainley, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but typewriters and komputers kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20 percent shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go. By the fourth year, peopl wil be replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18070 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 10:09:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 10:09:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1147 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 10:09:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 10:09:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16d8cI-00081v-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:39:26 +0000 Received: from nat6.excitenetwork.com ([63.236.75.8] helo=xprdmailfe.excite.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16d8cH-00081i-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:39:25 +0000 Received: by xprdmailfe.excite.com (Postfix, from userid 110) id 9F9EE3E53; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:00:52 -0500 (EST) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Soldered joints on antenna wire From: "john sexton" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: computernetworks@excite.com X-Mailer: PHP Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20020219100052.9F9EE3E53@xprdmailfe.excite.com> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:00:52 -0500 (EST) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Thanks to Bob, Markus and Alan for their helpful comments.
On the question of multistrand wire, it occurs to me that the problem might be even worse with Litz which has not been adequately cleaned. If only some of the strands are connected and the antenna is used for transmit with perhaps a couple of amps or more, some of the connected strands could fuse and set off a chain reaction.

My thinking with soldered joints was that at RF, skin effect means that the current is flowing through the solder not the copper and solder quickly tarnishes when in the open, so even though the DC resistance remains low, the RF resistance might be quite high as a result of the badly conducting outer surface. Whether the RF will then migrate inwards toward the copper or not is unknown to me.

It might be a good idea to paint over newly soldered joints with a compound that weathers well. Any thoughts?

73, John, G4CNN



--- On Mon 02/18, Vernall wrote:
> John,
>
> One thing that has worried me with multistrand wire is whether there can
> be
> arcing or intermod if one conductor in the bundle has a break in
> continuity.
> This could also arise if the centre wire in a 7 strand bundle is not
> soldered properly. It is very hard to tell if solder has penetrated
> "right
> through", especially for wire that has been out in the open and
> weathered
> somewhat. What I am saying is that at RF there can be potential
> differences
> due to transmission line effects, and a conductor that has one end
> floating
> is like a stub, but as the gap is small it can easily arc over. Arcing
> could cause broadband QRM.
>
> So while soldered joints in antenna wires appear to be fair game, it
> would
> pay to have the individual wires cleaned to a "bright copper"
> condition
> before firing up the solder bolt.
>
> I have seen crimps used to join antenna wires, and crimping could be
> suspect
> for multistrand wire.
>
> I would not worry about losses in soldered joints, but as Markus has
> commented, corrosion could be a limitation in the longer term. In any
> case,
> you will probably want to experiment with changes to your antenna well
> before corrosion has a chance to show up :-)
>
> 73, Bob ZL2CA
>
>
>
>

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5063 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 10:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 10:04:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 4863 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 10:04:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 10:04:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16d8Ws-00080U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:33:50 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16d8Wr-00080P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:33:49 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id KAA31037; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:06:22 GMT Received: (qmail 23854 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 10:43:18 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 10:43:18 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id KAA00244; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:10:00 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma000215; Tue, 19 Feb 02 10:09:48 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3 (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:03:25 +0000 Received: by FRN-MAIL-R3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:55:30 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99CC@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: PSK08 and Jims Vectorscope Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:55:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Firstly, Jim, can you send me a copy of your vectorscope circuit please - it may be a case of "Coals to Newcastle" but I'm intrigued ! Now, how about the next version, a direct conversion receiver generating quadrature signals at 137kHz then having masses of low frequency gain before the X/Y plot ? .......... Secondly, referring to Wolf's and others earlier postings. I believe linear modes such as PSK08 are probably of little value on this band for weak signal working. PSK31 (and hence ..08, ..01 etc) have been heavily optimised for bandwidth reduction at the expense of signalling efficiency, and result in a minor degradation compared with harder switched PSK modes. Where bit symbols approach one second, we need to decide if the key clicks really are a problem - at 1 symbol per second I doubt very much anyone is going to notice them. For PSK31 itself, which is a lot faster and slightly better than 18WPM CW in signalling performance, this argument probably is not true though. As the spectrum from overdriven transmitters often shows ! The complexities and inefficieny of using a linear Tx, just to keep the bandwidth down for PSK08 and ..01 when hardly anyone one will notice is mainly one of conscience I guess ! Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13582 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 21:06:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 21:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 19215 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 21:06:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 21:06:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cwOh-0006JD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:36:35 +0000 Received: from 210-86-15-130.ipnets.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.130] helo=mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cwOf-0006J8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:36:34 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.178.39]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020218205759.SXRX12697.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:57:59 +1300 Message-ID: <005a01c1b8bf$a95d1a80$72b21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43.6bda7ba.29a15be0@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: Soldered joints on antenna wire Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:01:10 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, One thing that has worried me with multistrand wire is whether there can be arcing or intermod if one conductor in the bundle has a break in continuity. This could also arise if the centre wire in a 7 strand bundle is not soldered properly. It is very hard to tell if solder has penetrated "right through", especially for wire that has been out in the open and weathered somewhat. What I am saying is that at RF there can be potential differences due to transmission line effects, and a conductor that has one end floating is like a stub, but as the gap is small it can easily arc over. Arcing could cause broadband QRM. So while soldered joints in antenna wires appear to be fair game, it would pay to have the individual wires cleaned to a "bright copper" condition before firing up the solder bolt. I have seen crimps used to join antenna wires, and crimping could be suspect for multistrand wire. I would not worry about losses in soldered joints, but as Markus has commented, corrosion could be a limitation in the longer term. In any case, you will probably want to experiment with changes to your antenna well before corrosion has a chance to show up :-) 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24756 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 19:37:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 19:37:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4105 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 19:37:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 19:37:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cuyr-000644-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:05:49 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cuyq-00063z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:05:48 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16ctRz-00070L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:27:47 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c1b8b2$602dfa80$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Vectorscope display Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:27:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim. I'll gladly bung it on the web-site with all your other stuff if you send it to me. 73. Dave G3YXM. > Dear LF Group, > > I drew a skeleton schematic diagram of the vectorscope circuit for an > oscilloscope X/Y display that I tried last week. It is too big for the > reflector (about 50k), but if anybody would like it as an e-mail > attachment, please let me know. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18778 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 19:35:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 19:35:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 16432 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 19:35:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 19:35:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cuug-000633-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:01:30 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cuue-00062y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:01:29 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1IJLp0G008485 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:22:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003801c1b8b1$585d0d60$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Vectorscope display Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:20:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim, I would like to see the diagram if you would not mind. Thank you W1VLF PaulC ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: LF: Vectorscope display > Dear LF Group, > > I drew a skeleton schematic diagram of the vectorscope circuit for an > oscilloscope X/Y display that I tried last week. It is too big for the > reflector (about 50k), but if anybody would like it as an e-mail > attachment, please let me know. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19129 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 19:07:24 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 19:07:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7028 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 19:07:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 19:07:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cuUS-0005xI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:34:24 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cuUQ-0005xD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:34:23 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16csxa-000128-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:56:22 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16csxZ-0004Xl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:56:22 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218184622.00aafa88@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:53:24 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Vectorscope display MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I drew a skeleton schematic diagram of the vectorscope circuit for an oscilloscope X/Y display that I tried last week. It is too big for the reflector (about 50k), but if anybody would like it as an e-mail attachment, please let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9958 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 17:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 17:36:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23547 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 17:36:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 17:36:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ct9k-0005jU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:08:56 +0000 Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.40]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ct9g-0005jP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:08:53 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.112.cc2a2d6 (3703) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <112.cc2a2d6.29a29426@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:30:14 EST Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU test transmission on sunday evening. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060309060008040307010405" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060309060008040307010405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Jim, Markus and group.

> didn't know there was such a thing as a "squelch killing postamble tone",
> so my hardware may be ignoring it - what form does it take?


Your TX hardware does not ignore it, Jim...
my receiver ignored it in the QRM, and it was not visible on the spectrum here. But it can be seen in a screenshot of your transmission which Markus sent me (see attached image).

It is just an unmodulated carrier at the center frequency, visible on the right side.
If the PSK31/PSK08 decoder detects it, the accumulated 'squelch' value is cleared.
In PSK08 mode, the postamble tone is transmitted for about 4 seconds. The "LED" is yellow during this time (steady, flashing yellow/red indicates "TX buffer empty").

>
> So congratulations are due to DL4YHF...

Thanks for the flowers, I'll have to pass them on G3PLX who had the idea for PSK31 and did the hard work to implement it for the first time.


As I see it, PSK08 is a 'quite weak signal mode' useful for communications with a fair amount of information exchange but cannot be compared to 'real weak signal modes' like WOLF, JASON and Bill's very slow BPSK modes.

If there is a significant performance gain for PSK08 compared to PSK31 on a noise LF band, remains to be tested. For static crashes which block the RX for a few hundred milliseconds, PSK31 may be just as good as PSK08...



Regards,
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In-reply-to: <97.233e366f.29a17f84@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Markus, Wolf, LF Group, Thanks to all the stations listening to the PSK08 test last night, and for all the reports received. DF6NM and myself were able to have a QSO lasting about half an hour with a lot of info exchanged and almost perfect copy on both sides. I was quite impressed with this, since I could not really hear Markus' signal at all in the headphones under the QRM; maybe a more expert CW operator than myself could have heard something, but certainly not have been able to carry on the leisurely QSO that we had. Conditions were not ideal at my end with the local noise level, and I was using lower ERP than for the TA tests, with my antenna at a lower height. I think PSK08 could form a good basis for development of a specialised LF data mode; the bandwidth is suitably narrow, and it can clearly function with the kind of SNR we experience. At the same time, the speed of signalling is probably as fast as in a manual CW contact at moderate speeds, as is the norm on LF. The band conditions at my QTH were noisy, but with few QRN crashes - the static crashes seemed to be what caused the occasional corrupted character, so a developed version might attempt to improve on this - perhaps using some form of error correction; or a hardware or software noise blanker might be helpful. So congratulations are due to DL4YHF; SpecLab may be a "building site", but it is one with an ever increasing number of interesting features and capabilities, and well worth taking the time to investigate. Btw Wolf, I didn't know there was such a thing as a "squelch killing postamble tone", so my hardware may be ignoring it - what form does it take? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26061 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 09:32:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 09:32:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23012 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 09:32:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 09:32:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16clc7-0003qS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:05:43 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16clc2-0003qE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:05:41 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1I9RSf21033 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:27:28 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA15165 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:27:20 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:27:17 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D698E4@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: Condx... Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:27:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... Amazing condx sunday morning. G3LDO, G3AQC and G3KEV were extremely strong. Also IK5ZPV with booming signal. Valerio has worked Gyuri HA6PC as a new one. Gyuri HA6PC told me, that this is the first ever QSO between Italy and Hungary on 136kHz....congrats to both. 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13764 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 09:02:04 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 09:02:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6832 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 09:02:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 09:02:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cl7J-0003Js-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:33:53 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cl7I-0003JO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:33:52 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g1I8tL4P242634 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:55:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020218095120.2cff7cc2@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:51:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re. Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. In-reply-to: <003c01c1b64f$48182ca0$a86668d5@oemcomputer> References: <000601c1b53a$8f223980$f57b883e@lvm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Mike, I believe that gamma-matching a very short antenna also introduces a practical problem as the feedingpoint impedance will be extremely low (probably some milli-Ohms). Apart from problems with the impedance matching, the current at the feedingpoint will be extemely high. 73, Rik ON7YD At 18:33 15/02/02 -0000, you wrote: >Laurie, G3AQC wrote: >> Mike G3XDV quite correctly pointed out that a gamma match could be used to >> feed a vert. tower. > > >When I thought about this suggestion again, I realised that it would match >the antenna OK, but of course it would not help to resonate it. Gamma >matching is a good way of feeding a grounded resonant Marconi, but it is >still necessary to use top wires to bring the vertical to resonance. Back to >the drawing board . . . > >Mike, G3XDV >=========== > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15593 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 01:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 01:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 8458 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cdq0-0004Xl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:47:32 +0000 Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net ([195.40.1.40]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cdpy-0004Xf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 02:47:31 +0000 Received: from erica (tnt-21-144.easynet.co.uk [212.134.228.144]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C99553E0A for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:09:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000401c1b819$84345580$90e486d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> <001901c1b3fc$a9ee9400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <000f01c1b49a$fd9ef1a0$e36968d5@oemcomputer> <3C6B3000.E70FBDC3@att.net> <002a01c1b805$d30d5c60$bbca28c3@erica> Subject: LF: Correction and info wanted Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:13:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dexter > wire from the mast to cope with the high voltage and the Canadian winters. Ignore the comments about Canadian winters - my last communication on the subject were with VE Put it down to old age! I have a HP Omnibook 7500CT laptop, obtained from a radio rally. It has a sound card and works OK with ARGO but I don't have any driving instruction for the laptop itself. Can anyone help? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17763 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 22:51:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 22:51:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19368 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 22:51:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 22:51:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cbdd-000245-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:26:37 +0000 Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.1.67]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cbdb-00023x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:26:35 +0000 Received: from erica (tnt-1-98.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.98]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C0D4C1D4F90 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <002a01c1b805$d30d5c60$bbca28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> <001901c1b3fc$a9ee9400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <000f01c1b49a$fd9ef1a0$e36968d5@oemcomputer> <3C6B3000.E70FBDC3@att.net> Subject: LF: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:49:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dexter > > Not long after performing this adjustment I received an email with > screen capture asking me if I knew what that signal was in the TA > window. The time and frequency confirmed it was my signal. This > reception report came from a station 543 KM away at mid day with the > generator power of 0 dbm! I knew this arrangement worked fairly well > for receive but to find it would radiate so well was a surprise. I > thought most of the signal would be shunted to ground since the > radiating wire was so close to the tower. I had a look at your antenna mast - quite impressive. When we started out on LF most of our antenna thinking was conditioned by commercial designs. After a while it became apparent that the shape of the antenna didn't matter; an electrically small antenna has the same polar diagram no matter what shape you make it. Your successful test illustrates this point. Most antenna losses appear to be caused by ground resistance. > > Now my question to the few who have read this far. Can I expect this to > be a good high power transmitting LF antenna with the addition of a good > coil? All cables from the tower route down to about half a meter above > ground where they run horizontal under the shack floor. I suspect these > cables would be hot with RF unless they are choked off by some method. The coupling with the LF/HF antenna and the mast is small because the wire is near at right angles to the mast and anyway doesn't carry much current. As for coupling into other feeders I haven't found this a problem. My LF transmitter is located at the bottom of the garden and feeder cables for RF and remote control run parallel to the antenna which has an average height of 35ft. Try the antenna on transmit and only resort to remedial actions if they prove necessary. The LF coil shown on your website is excellent for transmitting with the sort of power that amateurs are allowed to use; a very good design if I may say so. You will need a good long ceramic insulator to isolate the antenna wire from the mast to cope with the high voltage and the Canadian winters. When can we expect to hear (see) you on? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6904 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 22:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 22:12:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15707 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 22:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 22:12:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cb1T-0001EF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:47:11 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cb1S-0001EA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:47:10 +0000 Received: from fwd11.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16cZUb-0006or-04; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:09:09 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.50]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16cZUY-246rgmC; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:09:06 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020217142512.00aa20c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LF: PSK08 and other phase shifters X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:09:06 +0100 Message-ID: <16cZUY-246rgmC@fwd11.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz schrieb: > Dear LF Group, > > I now have DL4YHF's latest PSK08 software running after downloading it from > G3YXM's web site, and all looks FB, with good copy in local tests. I > arranged a sked with Wolf for 2000utc tonight, with PSK08 on 137.50kHz - > would be pleased to get any reports on or off the air. > > Conditions on 136 have been good this morning - in spite of the local noise > I was able to have QSOs with IK5ZPV, DK8KW and OK1DTN, also G3OLB who was > 599 here of course. I have also established that the noise level varies by > 10dB between one end of my garden and the other, and the noise at these 2 > points appears to come from the same source, so a noise-cancelling > arrangement should work. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU Hi Jim, switched on the PSK08 equipment at 2135UTC. have seen the last signs of ur transmission: or in CW or -*KŘ8 de MŘBMU pse kskt not audible and hardly to find on spectrum display. regards Uwe/dj8wx > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2212 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 21:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 21:57:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3467 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 21:57:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 21:57:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16canS-0000us-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:32:42 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16canR-0000uj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:32:41 +0000 Received: from ldsas15-79-130-119.cw-visp.com ([212.137.130.119] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cZ5A-0004BF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:42:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3C70229C.3856DE1B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:37:32 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: psk08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim, Your psk08 signal on 137.5 khz was solid copy with me at 2120z. I was using speclab s/ware. Didnt miss any characters, solid transmissions from you giving ur call and qra loc and asking for replies on psk or cw. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8204 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 21:54:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 21:54:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29965 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 21:54:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 21:54:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cajZ-0000pF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:28:41 +0000 Received: from siaag2ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cajX-0000oV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:28:39 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id QAA24554 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:50:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:49:15 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: Re: LF: PSK08 and other phase shifters To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202171649_MC3-F26C-F897@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Jim, not perfect, but good copy here in JO52BH of your PSK08 test transmission tonight. I was not at the station because we had a music session but I left the program unattended (with AFC off) on 137.500 kHz and copied about 95% o.k. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7842 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 21:54:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 21:54:17 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1094 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 21:54:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 21:54:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16caja-0000pH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:28:42 +0000 Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cajX-0000oR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:28:40 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.97.233e366f (4258) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:49:56 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <97.233e366f.29a17f84@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:49:56 EST Subject: LF: M0BMU test transmission on sunday evening. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jim and group,

Fine copy on Jim's PSK08 transmission at 137.500 through the local 50Hz QRM (received with an indoor ferrite antenna and a TS850, the signal was not audible but decodable).

Unfortunately I could not join the fun, but observing the QSO between Markus DF6NM and M0BMU was rewarding. Hope there will be some more reports for you.

One observation: The "squelch-killing" postamble tone used in PSK31 seemed to be missing in Jim's over, in contrast to DF6NM's transmission.
(PSK08 is based on the PSK31 implementation by AE4JY in WinPSK, which itself is based on the brilliant work by G3PLX).
The decoder clears the accumulated squelch voltage when it detects the postable tone, avoiding garbage on the screen when the squelch slowly falls after a 'strong' signal.

Thanks for the demonstration !

Regards,
 Wolf DL4YHF. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13163 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 19:56:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22574 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 19:56:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 19:56:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cYtd-0007BN-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:30:57 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cYtc-0007BI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:30:56 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-23.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.23] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cXBO-0006YE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:41:11 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6FF7C8.2BFEA220@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:34:48 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: fet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Many thanks for all the info about my FET enquiry. These USA boys are on the ball, I had so many immediate replies, a few minutes after I sent the msg I had a reply from several USA stations. The info was appreciated and now I can commence the construction, again many thanks. de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/NE Coast. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1277 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 19:22:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 19:22:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4704 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 19:21:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 19:21:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cYMJ-0006TU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:56:31 +0000 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cYMH-0006Ss-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:56:30 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.43.6bda7ba (16335) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <43.6bda7ba.29a15be0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:17:52 EST Subject: Re: LF: Soldered joints on antenna wire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John, don't worry about the losses, I wouldn't expect more than a few extra milliohms. But corrosion might become a problem in the long run. 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14709 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 19:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 19:09:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27385 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 19:09:44 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 19:09:44 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cY9t-0006EU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:43:41 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.198] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cY9s-0006Ds-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:43:40 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta06.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) with ESMTP id <0GRO00DM5YB6D3@mta06.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:04:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:04:11 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: LF: Soldered joints on antenna wire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <6612013.1013972651148.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, I am currently making yet another attempt to get my antenna up higher and further away from leafy capacitors. Each time I make a change or add more top wires, I end up with more soldered joints in the antenna and I am beginning to wonder whether this might cause a significant loss or not. The joints are well made, both wires are thoroughly cleaned and tightly wrapped together to make a good mechanical joint prior to thorough soldering, however its a question that continues to trouble me. I would be grateful for any advice or opinions on this subject 73, John, G4CNN ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22791 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 17:56:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 17:56:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7686 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 17:56:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 17:56:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cX0f-0004uI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:30:05 +0000 Received: from m11.boston.juno.com ([64.136.24.74]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cX0d-0004uA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:30:04 +0000 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewN50Ku1ACyz9Sz2Qx8XzBI2hG0iXi5ldqA=="> Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GTVALS8V; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:52:00 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@mailman.qth.net Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:50:29 -0500 Subject: Re: LF: 162 and 183 KHz BC in NC Message-ID: <20020217.125030.-489977.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "BOB RIESE" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I tried for several hours to copy W1TAG's WOLF signal on 177.8 KHz with no success. When I put the receiver in wide IF mode I realized why. The LF BC stations were booming in. I have uploaded .wav files of the 162 and 183 KHz stations at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/BC/162KHz.wav (.941 MB) http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/BC/183KHz.wav (1.8 MB) hmmmm if the truth be known , Dex has taken up residence on one of the British off shore islands or lives at the end of a really big funnel outstanding ! ! Bob From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29871 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 17:04:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 17:04:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1780 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 17:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 17:04:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cWCi-0003vY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:38:28 +0000 Received: from mail4.mx.voyager.net ([216.93.66.203]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cWCg-0003vO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:38:27 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d27.ias0.mpls.mn.pclink.com [206.11.3.226]) by mail4.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id g1HGw4n20783 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: fet Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:00:43 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <3C6FD850.8367B676@netscapeonline.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: High Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I found this so far. It might help. N-Ch FET 50V 8Vp 0.1nA 250 Ohm ~2N3824 Sil TO-72. Even better, here is a link to the specification sheet in Adobe Acrobat form http://www.interfet.com/pdf/DS_2N3823_24.pdf. 73's, Mike>WE0H http://www.geocities.com/we0h/index.html -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of gii3kev Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 10:21 AM To: rsgb rsgb Subject: LF: fet Can anyone help with data for a 2N3824, TO72 package, 4 legs. Is it a dual gate mosfet or something else. Need it for a product det for a level meter job if a fet. 73 and tnx de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24973 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 16:30:40 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 16:30:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13182 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 16:30:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 16:30:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cVgF-0003GM-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:04:55 +0000 Received: from [209.225.8.17] (helo=dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cVgD-0003GC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:04:54 +0000 Received: from [24.196.22.226] (HELO z6l3g7.highnoonfilm.com) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 10053086 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:39:53 -0500 Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020216222401.01753ec0@highnoonfilm.com> X-Sender: les@highnoonfilm.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:25:04 -0600 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Les Rayburn" Subject: Re: LF: 162 and 183 KHz BC in NC In-reply-to: <3C6F3DBC.86A125CC@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 05:21 AM 2/17/02 +0000, you wrote: >I tried for several hours to copy W1TAG's WOLF signal on 177.8 KHz with >no success. When I put the receiver in wide IF mode I realized why. >The LF BC stations were booming in. I have uploaded .wav files of the >162 and 183 KHz stations at: > >http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/BC/162KHz.wav (.941 MB) > >http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/BC/183KHz.wav (1.8 MB) > >BC on 177 and 153 were coming also but not as well. > >Dexter Amazing stuff! While I hear the LF stations here sometimes, nothing like the armchair copy that you have at your location. Thanks for sharing these with us! Les Rayburn, director High Noon Film & Interactive 100 Centerview Drive Suite 111 Birmingham, AL 35216 (205) 824-8930 (205) 824-8960 FAX (205) 253-4867 CELL http://www.highnoonfilm.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21672 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 16:26:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11468 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 16:26:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 16:26:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cVbf-0003A2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:00:11 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cVbe-00039x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:00:10 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-170.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.170] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cTtQ-000754-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:10:24 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6FD850.8367B676@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:20:32 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: fet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Can anyone help with data for a 2N3824, TO72 package, 4 legs. Is it a dual gate mosfet or something else. Need it for a product det for a level meter job if a fet. 73 and tnx de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10907 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 14:54:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 14:54:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 465 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 14:54:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 14:54:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cU7e-0001rZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:25:06 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cU7d-0001rO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:25:05 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16cSak-0002hU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:47:02 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16cSak-0004Lq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:47:02 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020217142512.00aa20c0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:44:08 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: PSK08 and other phase shifters In-reply-to: <71.1aa2c0b7.29a0071c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I now have DL4YHF's latest PSK08 software running after downloading it from G3YXM's web site, and all looks FB, with good copy in local tests. I arranged a sked with Wolf for 2000utc tonight, with PSK08 on 137.50kHz - would be pleased to get any reports on or off the air. Conditions on 136 have been good this morning - in spite of the local noise I was able to have QSOs with IK5ZPV, DK8KW and OK1DTN, also G3OLB who was 599 here of course. I have also established that the noise level varies by 10dB between one end of my garden and the other, and the noise at these 2 points appears to come from the same source, so a noise-cancelling arrangement should work. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24742 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 05:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 05:29:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17891 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 05:29:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2002 05:29:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cLHm-0000L0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 06:58:58 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cLHk-0000Ko-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 06:58:57 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:20:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6F3DBC.86A125CC@att.net> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 05:21:00 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "RSGB LF" Subject: LF: 162 and 183 KHz BC in NC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I tried for several hours to copy W1TAG's WOLF signal on 177.8 KHz with no success. When I put the receiver in wide IF mode I realized why. The LF BC stations were booming in. I have uploaded .wav files of the 162 and 183 KHz stations at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/BC/162KHz.wav (.941 MB) http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/BC/183KHz.wav (1.8 MB) BC on 177 and 153 were coming also but not as well. Dexter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23103 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 20:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 20:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 27379 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 20:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 20:00:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cCHi-0000kv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:22:18 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cCHh-0000kq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:22:17 +0000 Received: from [212.1.156.210] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16cAb3-00018t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:34:10 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01c1b722$6af819a0$d29c01d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: GPS Locked source Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:44:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I've made a few mods to the GPS locked source after finally calculating the PLL parameters rather than relying on guesswork, sorry should read experimental determination, so the residual phase jitter is now improved. In usual 'JNT style I didn't keep details of who was sent the constructional info, so if you want an update can you contact me directly please. Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16684 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 19:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 19:19:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12852 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 19:19:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 19:19:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cBfH-0000dp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:42:35 +0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cBfF-0000dk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:42:33 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.71.1aa2c0b7 (4050) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:03:57 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <71.1aa2c0b7.29a0071c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:03:56 EST Subject: LF: PSK08 and other phase shifters To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Dave, Jim and group,

Thanks for the PSK08 QSO between DF6NM and myself. The frequency must have been something like 137.7025 kHz +-0.1Hz, and there was possibly a small difference of 0.2Hz between Markus' and my TX-frequency.
The TX frequency will only be updated after switching from "RX" to "TX" (or "off"=standby to TX). Once the PSK modulator is initialized, it doesn't care for the contents of the edit field.

 -...-

Based on Jim's hardware phase meter experiment, I tried something similar on VLF and got steady displays when the NCO frequency was set to 15.955 and 16.005 kHz. Something to do with the symbol rate... but no more details, otherwise someone will have to shoot us :)

Greetings,
Wolf DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21807 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 17:55:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 17:55:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 4554 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 17:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 17:55:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cA4b-0000PS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:00:37 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cA4a-0000OT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:00:36 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16c8UM-00004L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:19:07 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c1b70e$107f7c20$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216125234.00a852b0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Re: G4JNT "PSK CW" transmission/ Phase display Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:19:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim and group. Plus a message for Markus and Wolf. > > I had a few problems with corrupted downloads of Wolf's SpecLab software, > so was not able to use it to decode G4JNT's PSK signal last night - I also couldn't get AOL to play ball with Wolf's software so he kindly mailed it to me. You'll find it on the "downloads" page at www.wireless.org.uk . Use the "local download" red link. Thanks for the QSO Jim! Markus and Wolf, Sorry about the mix up with PSK08 today, I am having trouble netting. I use a different TX and RX so the tone frequncies are different and I tried altering the TX frequency on SpecLab whilst it was transmitting but it didn't seem to change, then suddenly it would jump. When does it react to the change instruction Wolf? I will experiment more. Sorry I didn't see anything from Markus but maybe you were on one of my "mistake" frequencies! Good copy from Wolf, much better with the "smooth" noise I had today all the crackles and buzzes yesterday seemed to upset the decoding... 73. Dave G3YXM. P.S. I am now using a new, end-fed, antenna slightly higher (only very slightly) than the T and would be interested in reports compared to my normal signal as of three weeks ago. Recently I have been using a poor temporary antenna so I hope it's better than that! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8515 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 17:55:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 17:55:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 4505 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 17:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 17:55:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cAUu-0000SP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:27:48 +0000 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16cAUs-0000SB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:27:47 +0000 Received: from [212.1.130.1] (helo=smtp-1.visp.telinco.net) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 16c8vj-0004RC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:47:23 -0500 Received: from [212.1.159.107] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16c8gt-0005Eg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:32:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c1b711$5b68b3c0$6b9f01d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Re: G4JNT "PSK CW" transmission/ Phase display Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:42:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim , Great !!!!!!! I didn't think anyone would actually build one ! Now you need a way to do the arctan function in hardware. Or, thinking laterally, a servo loop off the Q channel driving a phase shifter. I'll put out another transmission during the week sometime. Monday is not possible as I go off to my Camera Club then, but lets say provisionally Tuesday 1900.00z Andy -----Original Message----- From: James Moritz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 16 February 2002 16:37 Subject: LF: Re: G4JNT "PSK CW" transmission/ Phase display >Dear Andy, LF group, > >I had a few problems with corrupted downloads of Wolf's SpecLab software, >so was not able to use it to decode G4JNT's PSK signal last night - >however, it was easy to copy the "G4JNT PSK CW"message using the phase >transitions visible on the spectrogram as before. > >While I was hanging around, I thought it would be fun to follow Andy's >suggestion and build a breadboard hardware vector display to use with an >oscilloscope - unfortunately, Andy had gone QRT by the time it was working, >but it was certainly interesting to look at other LF signals in this way. >The phase jumps on DCF39 are clearly seen. With a wider bandwidth, you can >observe the phase modulation on the Radio 4 198kHz signal. The French >station on 162kHz has something similar, but with rather greater phase >deviation. Atlantic 252 is a couple of Hz low in frequency, and the phase >has a funny little wobble. GBR on 15.98kHz is particularly intriguing and >quite hypnotic - the phase of the MSK signal is changing all the time, the >symbols appear to be represented by changes in the direction of the phase >shift from increasing to decreasing or vice-versa, which occur at fixed >points on the phase circle. I'll definitely have to build it up more >permanently... > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8793 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 16:32:37 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 16:32:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8055 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 16:32:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 16:32:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c57k-00057b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:43:32 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c57j-00057W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:43:31 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16c56r-0001Yc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:42:37 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16c56r-0003EG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:42:37 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216125234.00a852b0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:39:48 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Re: G4JNT "PSK CW" transmission/ Phase display In-reply-to: <002b01c1b6cf$1b826360$af9601d4@g4jnt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Andy, LF group, I had a few problems with corrupted downloads of Wolf's SpecLab software, so was not able to use it to decode G4JNT's PSK signal last night - however, it was easy to copy the "G4JNT PSK CW"message using the phase transitions visible on the spectrogram as before. While I was hanging around, I thought it would be fun to follow Andy's suggestion and build a breadboard hardware vector display to use with an oscilloscope - unfortunately, Andy had gone QRT by the time it was working, but it was certainly interesting to look at other LF signals in this way. The phase jumps on DCF39 are clearly seen. With a wider bandwidth, you can observe the phase modulation on the Radio 4 198kHz signal. The French station on 162kHz has something similar, but with rather greater phase deviation. Atlantic 252 is a couple of Hz low in frequency, and the phase has a funny little wobble. GBR on 15.98kHz is particularly intriguing and quite hypnotic - the phase of the MSK signal is changing all the time, the symbols appear to be represented by changes in the direction of the phase shift from increasing to decreasing or vice-versa, which occur at fixed points on the phase circle. I'll definitely have to build it up more permanently... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8425 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 16:32:29 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 16:32:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7958 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 16:32:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c7fM-00007w-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:26:24 +0000 Received: from phobos.unica.co.uk ([208.239.240.147]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c7fI-00007m-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:26:20 +0000 Received: from [147.197.200.9] (helo=hestia.herts.ac.uk) by phobos.unica.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 16c5em-0000Dr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:17:40 -0500 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16c5Tu-0001h4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:06:26 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16c5Tt-0003X2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:06:25 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020216135158.02e697a8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:02:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Activity appreciated coming weekend In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020214134948.00a4eec0@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Dick, LF Group, Was QRV earlier on and had a couple of QSOs with G3YXM and PA0SE - but the local noise level today is varying between "loud" and "deafening", which makes it very difficult to copy weaker stations. Still, experience shows it might disappear any second, so I will keep an eye on conditions and hope to be active again where possible today and tomorrow. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28172 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 09:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 09:54:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 10945 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 09:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 09:54:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c1Sb-0004kh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:48:49 +0000 Received: from smtp-1.visp.telinco.net ([212.1.130.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c1Sa-0004kc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:48:48 +0000 Received: from [212.1.150.175] (helo=g4jnt) by smtp-1.visp.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16c1Hz-0004co-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:37:52 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c1b6cf$1b826360$af9601d4@g4jnt> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: G4JNT "PSK CW" transmission Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:48:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I made three complete transmissions of the sequence "G4JNT PSK CW  " and most of a forth one until 2022z  This sequence had 124 dot intervals, including end of text spaces, so repeated every 20.67 minutes.  Power output was turned down a bit to 450 Watts for this test.
 
The phase wobble is due to the GPS locked source in use, it was really designed for longer signalling intervals than this.   The PLL is not fully optimised and has a bandwidth of a few seconds, so phase jitter measured over this sort of interval will be seen.  However, if it were possible to integrate over the 10 second dot period then make a descision at the end, the jitter would have an almost insignificant effect even at this signalling rate.
 
Andy  G4JNT
 
phase meter shows a slant over an 800 second obvervation period, but with a bit of imagination the text can be decoded.
See attached screenshot.
The transmission started at 1900 utc in the diagram at 't=0', on the left side.
A certain amount of "phase jitter" is visible but I'm not sure if it was the quite weak signal affected by noise or Andy's GPS-locked generator. Another screenshot with "L.O."-frequency increased by 2 milliHertz is also available on request.


Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7017 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 09:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 09:10:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25014 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 09:10:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 09:10:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c0jy-0004fg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:02:42 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16c0jx-0004fb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:02:41 +0000 Received: from ldsas06-70-121-240.cw-visp.com ([212.137.121.240] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16c0Xm-0006dI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:50:07 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6E1FC8.799FA231@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:00:57 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: daytime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: When CFH is audible during EU daytime it might be worth trying a TA daytime test. Dexter/W4DEX has already copied my signal on 136 khz during his daylight hours. It might even be better on the lower frequency of 73 khz. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12457 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 00:25:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 00:25:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23574 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 00:25:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 00:25:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bscL-0003nZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:22:17 +0000 Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.184]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bscK-0003nU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:22:16 +0000 Received: from server1.sympatico.ca ([216.209.138.72]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020216002215.DDHB19277.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1.sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:22:15 -0500 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020215191826.02a7c720@POP2.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1aemm59@POP2.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:21:08 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Larry Kayser" Subject: LF: more on Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. In-reply-to: <003c01c1b64f$48182ca0$a86668d5@oemcomputer> References: <000601c1b53a$8f223980$f57b883e@lvm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >Greetings: > > Mike G3XDV quite correctly pointed out that a gamma match could be used to > > feed a vert. tower. > > >When I thought about this suggestion again, I realised that it would match >the antenna OK, but of course it would not help to resonate it. I tried feeding a wire straight up the side of the 240 ft tower here with matching at the bottom of the wire and coming back down the tower from the top. It did not work and I could not find any way to resonate it with the coil. It seemed to be below the resonance point even though the total length was only 500 ft. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16485 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 00:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 00:13:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14148 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2002 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2002 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bsPZ-0003kx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:09:05 +0000 Received: from tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net ([194.6.96.11]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bsPY-0003ks-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:09:04 +0000 Received: from erica (tnt-1-68.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.68]) by tvrelay.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0065C67963 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:08:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <002d01c1b67e$96da2da0$44ce28c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> Subject: LF: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:11:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: On the original discussion on this subject Giulio IK2DED said >But which may be the best system on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top? >The tower is exatly 80 meters long, with a base of 8x8 meters, and at 70 meters is 1x1 meters, and at 80 meters >is 0.5x0.5 meters, so big antenna with big capacitance to ground, i think is a smaller version of Decca insulated >tower, but this one is grounded. There are practical difficulties in shunt feeding a grounded tower, even one as high as 80m because it is still only a fraction of a wavelength at 136kHz. I did once use an Omega match to feed a grounded mobile 14MHz whip. I also used a shunt feed on a mobile 14MHz DDRR antenna which was grounded at the feed end. Both these antennas are described in 'The Antenna Experimenter's Guide'. But as Mike, G3XDV, says, for these matching systems to work the antenna needs to be resonant. I think that a tower 80m high is best used for a support for a conventional long wire antenna with a base loading coil. Make the sloping wire as long as possible. Additional top capacity can be achieved using two wires. A boom can be used to support the end wire insulators . Make the boom as long as practibe to reduce the end capacity coupling to the grounded mast. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5459 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 22:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 22:55:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3570 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 22:55:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 22:55:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16brCR-0003VW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:51:27 +0000 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.165]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16brCP-0003VJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:51:25 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.12f.c88995e (3842) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:49:55 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.c88995e.299eea92@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:49:54 EST Subject: LF: G4JNT "PSK CW" transmission To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000705090504030703040804" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000705090504030703040804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Andy and group,

I had perfect copy from Andy's transmission even without a high-precision clock source (just a homebrew OCXO). My receiver was not at the correct frequency precise enough so the phase meter shows a slant over an 800 second obvervation period, but with a bit of imagination the text can be decoded.
See attached screenshot.
The transmission started at 1900 utc in the diagram at 't=0', on the left side.
A certain amount of "phase jitter" is visible but I'm not sure if it was the quite weak signal affected by noise or Andy's GPS-locked generator. Another screenshot with "L.O."-frequency increased by 2 milliHertz is also available on request.


Regards,
Wolf DL4YHF.
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murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 22:55:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16brCL-0003VQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:51:21 +0000 Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.165]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16brCK-0003VI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:51:20 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.87.17a0e5c7 (3842) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:49:56 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <87.17a0e5c7.299eea94@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:49:56 EST Subject: LF: G3YXM copied in PSK08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Dave and group,

This was definitely a "phase shifter's friday" ... after Andy's successfull test transmission, I got perfect copy of your PSK08 transmission though the signal was hardly audible. Sorry my signal didn't make it through too well, so here to answer your question:
(copied&pasted from G3YXM's PSK08 transmission on friday evening, 137.200 kHz):

>>>
dfŘwd dfŘwd dfŘwd de g3yxm g3yxm g3yxm g3yxm g3yxm pse call kkkkk

dfŘwd dfŘwd, still QRM I got a little bit of my callsign and yours. Please send some more. DFŘWD de G3YXM KK
DFŘWD DFŘWD de G3YXM G3YXM G3YXM sorry Wolf having trouble here. Clear trace on the waterfall but very poor copy, just a few letters. I was copying my own signal across the shack OK.... The AFC doesn't like weak signals and wanders around, I turned it off and tuned in Ř.1 Hz steps. I hope you are getting some of this!!
BTU DFŘWD de G3YXM KK
<<< (end of pasted text)

Indeed, the AFC must be turned off, it only works properly in PSK31 mode. I moved the RX frequency manually with the up/down control, also with the waterfall zoomed around the PSK 'center' frequency so it was easy to catch you (right-click into the waterfall's frequency scale).


If time permits we can try other tests in any mode tomorrow. Hope the QRM/QRN is gone by then.

Good luck and thanks for your patience,

Wolf DL4YHF/DF0WD. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12581 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 20:42:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 20:42:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9542 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 20:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 20:42:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bp47-0003GY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:34:43 +0000 Received: from d12lmsgate-3.de.ibm.com ([195.212.91.201]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bp46-0003GT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:34:42 +0000 Received: from d12relay02.de.ibm.com (d12relay02.de.ibm.com [9.165.215.23]) by d12lmsgate-3.de.ibm.com (1.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA31250 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:33:19 +0100 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by d12relay02.de.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id g1FKYvp78974 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:34:57 +0100 Message-ID: <3C6D7096.337A967A@usa.net> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:33:26 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Andy's signal References: <200202151935.g1FJZ6J15506@smtp2.wanadoo.nl> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090400000800050006020307" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090400000800050006020307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good copy of Andy's BPSK signal this evening.

The characteristic eyelets, typical of a BPSK signal seen in narrow band, are quite visible.
With a Phase Scope it could also have been easily decoded.   Hmmmm.....

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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15 Feb 2002 19:38:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 19:38:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20678 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 19:38:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 19:38:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bo9K-00038p-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:36:02 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bo9J-00038k-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:36:01 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p1511.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.170.236]) by smtp2.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1FJZ6J15506 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:35:07 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200202151935.g1FJZ6J15506@smtp2.wanadoo.nl> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:35:28 +0000 From: "K. Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 2/14/02 9:28:00 PM, you wrote: Dear all. Did a quick test with Geri, peak power here was about 600W of all types of Hell transmission but Geri could not copy anything. CW was 539 at the same power. I got a good report from M0BMU so things were going out OK! I couldn't copy Geri on Hell modes either. Maybe they are not very good for DX on LF? 73 Dave G3YXM. Hi Dave, Geri.. Got a fair image from ur Hell transmissions, at 20:40z, sig: 544. Copied Feldhell worst, I mean visible but one has to know u were there PSK105 worked out fine, Not too sure but i guess ur last call was with FM105. Geri, Copied ur Cq in Feldhell at 20:50 sig: 554.. [Snapshots available, on the web soon] Based on Hf experience alone, Nino had a way of adding and deleting Hell modes, Needless to mention my bad habit of keeping old stuff but still available from me are: Version 19, 27e, 29, 33, 34, 45a, 35b, 36, 37..... 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17491 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 18:44:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 18:44:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 8966 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 18:44:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 18:44:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bnAG-00030q-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:32:56 +0000 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bnAF-00030l-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:32:56 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.105.143]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020215183155.QSED9422.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:31:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003c01c1b64f$48182ca0$a86668d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000601c1b53a$8f223980$f57b883e@lvm> Subject: LF: Re: Re. Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:33:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, G3AQC wrote: > Mike G3XDV quite correctly pointed out that a gamma match could be used to > feed a vert. tower. > When I thought about this suggestion again, I realised that it would match the antenna OK, but of course it would not help to resonate it. Gamma matching is a good way of feeding a grounded resonant Marconi, but it is still necessary to use top wires to bring the vertical to resonance. Back to the drawing board . . . Mike, G3XDV =========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26551 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 15:09:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 15:09:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 6969 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 15:09:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 15:09:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bjsN-0002S9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:02:15 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bjsJ-0002S4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:02:12 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id PAA29505; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:11:47 GMT Received: (qmail 22987 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 15:48:58 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 15:48:58 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id PAA18252; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:15:59 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma018236; Fri, 15 Feb 02 15:15:55 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:08:56 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <166TGPZ7>; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:01:13 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99C6@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: SpecLab Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:01:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: No, DCF39 is an FSK transmission, so after a burst of data the resulting carrier phase will settle to some random new value. Look at the DCF 77.5kHz transmission for a phase stable signal, or try for MSF on 60kHz. I'll be sending a 10s PSK CW message tonight, from 1900z on 137.450000kHz. May be some signals before that, but any data timing will be sychronised to 1900.00z Andy G4JNT >instrument. I will put my spectrumanalyzer into the junkbox! >clearly visible the phase jumps after the bursts from DCF39. >is it intentionally or depending on a technical fault? >see attachment. > >regards >Uwe/dj8wx -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5982 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 15:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 15:03:40 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 922 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 15:03:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 15:03:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bjoQ-0002Ps-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:58:10 +0000 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bjoO-0002Pk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:58:09 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.cc.694bf7f (3700) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:56:39 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:56:39 EST Subject: Re: LF: SpecLab To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Uwe,

Thanks for the "reception report" and for the Loran- and DCF39 diagrams.
I don't think the phase jump on DCF39 is a technical fault, it has been this way all the time (at least a couple of years).
For DCF39's main purpose it is simply unnecessary to set the carrier back to the original phase. But if someone could convince the engineers there to do so, we'd have a beautiful reference for own 'phase locked' communication experiments.

The file I sent to Dave is a little bit newer than the one on my website, but the improvements are not worth being mentioned here.

I hope the phase meter works so well this evening during G4JNT's planned transmission on 137.4500oo kHz.  Append more zeroes if sample rate allows :-)


73,
 Wolf  DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 617 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 14:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 14:09:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19882 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 14:09:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 14:09:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16biyE-0002IA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:04:14 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16biy8-0002I5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:04:08 +0000 Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16bixI-0008Jy-00; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:03:16 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.50.19]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16biwn-0PYRnsC; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:02:45 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: SpecLab X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080907070106020604030705" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <16biwn-0PYRnsC@fwd05.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080907070106020604030705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DL4YHF@aol.com schrieb: ............ > P.S. Dave reported a corrupt installation archive of the latest SpecLab > release. I will try to send it to G3YXM, so if anyone is interested a copy > may be available on Dave's site if the 1.3 MB email transfer succeeds. >............. Hi Wolf, I caught the latest release from your site. all ok. vy nice experimenting instrument. 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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:46:28 +0000 Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.39]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bih0-0002Cy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:46:27 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.23.194a89f5 (4231) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:45:00 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <23.194a89f5.299e6adc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:45:00 EST Subject: LF: Re: Virus ? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Fabian and group,

Thanks for the warning. Fortunately my mail browser does not try to open an attachment in "preview mode" or similar.
I copied the attachment to a floppy disk and opened it with a text editor on an old DOS PC. Nothing spectacular in the code, only an email link with a strange hexadecimal 'data field' which may be suspicious. And an enormous lot of red tape from the 'Word' file format, though no obvious macros.

I guess it was just an accident sending that mail to the reflector - if 'Radim7' exists he may explain himself.

73 Wolf
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15566 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 12:45:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 12:45:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6189 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 12:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 12:45:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bhh5-00022x-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:42:27 +0000 Received: from mout01.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bhh3-00022s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:42:26 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdom04.kundenserver.de) by mout01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16bhfy-00020R-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:41:18 +0100 Received: from pd9014a7d.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.74.125] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom04.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16bhPU-0000fD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:24:16 +0100 Message-ID: <3C6CEFF9.5B4DD1D4@diolog.de> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:24:41 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Summer Job References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi, I got this mail 4 times via the reflector and I am quite sure that there is a macro-virus in the doc-File! Guess anyone who subscribed to the list has this virus on him computer, so please check your systems with a virus-scanner (like f-prot) .. vy 73, Fabian dj1yfk Radim7@atlas.cz schrieb: > Dear Sir, > > I'm a University student from Europe and I'm trying to find myself > > a summer job (4 months) in the United States > > and consequently a job I would start with after I finish my studies. > > I would like to kindly ask whether there might be an opportunity working for you. > > I do not need any sponsorship. I will be fully eligible to work in the United States. > > You are welcome to review my resume that is attached as a Word document. > > Thank you very much for your time. > > Best Regards > > Radim Kupka > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: RadimKResume.Doc > RadimKResume.Doc Type: WINWORD Datei (application/msword) > Encoding: base64 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22077 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 12:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 12:36:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4684 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 12:36:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 12:36:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bhXN-00020U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:32:25 +0000 Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.34]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bhXL-00020L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:32:24 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.bd.1c07cfa4 (4414) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:30:54 EST Subject: Re: LF: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz no success To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Geri, Dave, Uwe and other 'hell watchers',

I could copy Geri's hell TX here at, though much worse than visible on Uwe's screenshot.
As Geri said, FeldHell is not the ultimate mode for LF, the required SNR much too high.

This reminds me of the 'very narrow hell' tests initiated by Andy some time ago, and also of the very nice transmission of DF6NM's 'ultra-narrow' hell images which could be observed on a waterfall if properly adjusted. Time for a revival ?

73
Wolf DL4YHF.


P.S. Dave reported a corrupt installation archive of the latest SpecLab release. I will try to send it to G3YXM, so if anyone is interested a copy may be available on Dave's site if the 1.3 MB email transfer succeeds. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7082 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 11:30:11 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 11:30:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7822 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2002 11:30:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2002 11:30:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bgMo-0001ow-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:17:26 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bgMn-0001or-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:17:25 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16bgLw-0001rz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:16:32 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16bgLv-0003vW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:16:31 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020215110429.00ac5228@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:13:44 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: ropex In-reply-to: <005901c1b5a4$9c6037e0$0d2fd8d4@rgubiol> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 23:11 14/02/2002 +0100, you wrote: >hello group, i am searching ropex first tx. >tnx. rudy In this country they are stocked by Nevada (http://www.nevada.co.uk/radio/radio-idx.html) for GBP 189.00. G3YXM has a review on his web site (http://www.wireless.org.uk/ropex.htm). N4ICK also has a brief review at http://www.amrad.org/projects/lf/FirstRvw.html. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5237 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 22:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 22:10:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 5743 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 22:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 22:10:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bU2F-0000DC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:07:23 +0000 Received: from mta23-acc.tin.it ([212.216.176.76] helo=fep23-svc.tin.it) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bU2E-0000D7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:07:22 +0000 Received: from rgubiol ([212.216.47.13]) by fep23-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20020214220623.EGAY12272.fep23-svc.tin.it@rgubiol> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:06:23 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c1b5a4$9c6037e0$0d2fd8d4@rgubiol> From: "Rudy Gubiolo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: ropex Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:11:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

hello group, i am searching ropex first tx.
tnx.   rudy
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29128 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 21:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 21:30:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 11017 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 21:30:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 21:30:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bTQp-00006F-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:28:43 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bTQo-00006A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:28:42 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16bTPz-0003lE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:27:51 +0000 Message-ID: <003c01c1b59e$7d0c41a0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202140358_MC3-F1F6-F64D@compuserve.com> <16bRjI-06w4USC@fwd08.sul.t-online.com> Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:28:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear all. Did a quick test with Geri, peak power here was about 600W of all types of Hell transmission but Geri could not copy anything. CW was 539 at the same power. I got a good report from M0BMU so things were going out OK! I couldn't copy Geri on Hell modes either. Maybe they are not very good for DX on LF? 73 Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1936 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 21:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 21:09:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23961 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 21:09:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 21:09:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bT6S-00001k-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:07:40 +0000 Received: from siaag1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.3]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bT6N-00001V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:07:37 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id QAA01657 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:05:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:03:53 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz no success To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202141604_MC3-F20E-8D4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Uwe, Dave, Jim and the others, Uwe, thanks for the nice reception report. Just finished a brief test with Dave, G3YXM that clearly showed that HELL is not the ultimate mode for weak signal LF operation, at least not the usual HELL modes (Feldhell, PSK-Hell, FM-Hell). Despite the fact that I was able to clearly read Dave's signal in CW about 539, there were only very weak traces of characters to be seen. Maybe Slowfeld with much lower baud rate would have helped. We will try this another time. When the signal is strong enough the signal is clearly readable as Uwe's picture has shown, and Dave was copied by Jim, M0BMU, too. Thanks for the test and vy 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11102 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 21:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 21:09:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 25788 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bT4X-00001G-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:05:41 +0000 Received: from hrkd214.nextra.cz ([213.210.141.214] helo=213.210.141.214) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bT3V-000010-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:04:39 +0000 From: Radim7@atlas.cz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Summer Job Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:17:13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070207070309090102000304" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-GCMulti: 1 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070207070309090102000304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Sir, I'm a University student from Europe and I'm trying to find myself a summer job (4 months) in the United States and consequently a job I would start with after I finish my studies. 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2002 20:58:48 +0000 Received: from hrkd214.nextra.cz ([213.210.141.214] helo=213.210.141.214) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bSxG-0008Us-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:58:15 +0000 From: Radim7@atlas.cz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Summer Job Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:05:51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010903050006050308050406" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-GCMulti: 1 Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010903050006050308050406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Sir, I'm a University student from Europe and I'm trying to find myself a summer job (4 months) in the United States and consequently a job I would start with after I finish my studies. I would like to kindly ask whether there might be an opportunity working for you. I do not need any sponsorship. I will be fully eligible to work in the United States. You are welcome to review my resume that is attached as a Word document. Thank you very much for your time. 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rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:51:41 +0000 Received: from siaag1aa.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.3]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bQyo-0008Ci-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:51:39 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1aa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id NAA06231 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:50:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:48:30 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: Re: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202141348_MC3-F1F2-FC8A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Dave, >Will you be in your "chat room" Geri?< ... we can meet there but I have to leave the Internet when I start transmitting ... I got some noise on my ISDN signal as soon as I transmit on 136 kHz and the connection breaks down. I will be there after approximately 20.30 UTC. Best 73, cu in hell! Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20738 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:57:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8416 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:48:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bQs7-0008An-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:44:43 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bQs6-0008Ac-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:44:43 +0000 Received: from fwd01.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16bQVZ-0007IL-05; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:21:25 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.115]) by fwd01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16bQVH-0iafiKC; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:21:07 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003701c1b46a$2257d880$019c01d4@dave> Subject: Re: LF: Loop comments (again) X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:21:07 +0100 Message-ID: <16bQVH-0iafiKC@fwd01.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave Sergeant schrieb: .............. > The only effect seen is temperature coefficient change in the > matching > network capacitors - between a cold winter morning and midday summer the > resonance > moves up by a few hundred Hz. .............. Hi Dave and other loop freaks, I observed the same conc my copperpipe-rotary-loop (only five metres of diam) but vice versa: from summer to winter the resonance moved up in frequency. I`m building an other W/E-E/W loop this weeks: two turns of 3mm-litz-wire pitch 40mm; vertic 15m and horiz 50m, two metres above ground tuned by abt 27nF high quality caps and excited by one abt 3/4 turn manually variable in length. pitch to the loop turns: 50mm. mut reactance abt 17 ohm. If and when it is built, I have to make FS meassurings over several weeks not only of the waves eradiated by the new loop but for comparism purposes also of those from the other antennaes. sri my endfed 400-m-longwire has been wrecked by one of our bulls using the middle mast as a scrubbing brush. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2170 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:23:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7127 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:23:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bQMh-000825-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:12:15 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bQMc-00081z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:12:10 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.49.187c719c (4050) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <49.187c719c.299d57a4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:10:44 EST Subject: LF: RE^3: GPS Locked PSK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Andy and group,

Andy G4JNT wrote:

> Is there a reluctance to build extra hardware these days ?   
>
> But I supppose that anyone who doesn't use the Windoze operting system
> now is behind the times and "Not with it!".  An attitude seen more and
> more these days until the advantage of simple software performing
> real time decoding is demonstrated to them.

No reluctance to build extra hardware !
But consider how difficult is to get some of the DSP's, CPU's, evaluation boards etc these days for those non-professionals. Waiting a couple of weeks for that 'very special semiconductor', paying a lot of pounds/dollars/euros for it, and -worst case- blowing the chip before the first sign of life can be as annoying as writing windoze software.
Don't let us go into a fruitless debate of 'pro' and 'contra' using modern PCs, my very personal opinion is this: If we have these pentium PCs etc, why not try to make the most use of it, with or without extra hardware ?


Apart from this:
The phase-over-time plot works (the polar phase plot not yet), so if anyone is interested to spend a few hours on a building-site called 'Spectrum Lab' try it. It is available at www.qsl.net/dl4yhf.  The current version is "V1.67 b4", but this may change very soon.

For a quick start, to receive Andy's PSK CW transmission, open the 'Time domain scope' window (from 'View/Window'), select the preset "Phase meter for 15625 Hz", overwrite the 'L.O.' frequency with the precise audio frequency from of your receiver, usually 650Hz..800Hz if the receiver is set to 'CW'.
Before Andy's test transmission, use a known stable frequeny (like 77.5kHz) to 'calibrate' your RX if it's not GPS-disciplined. Either use a high-resolution spectrum or waterfall to find the correct value for the phase meter's  'L.O. frequency', or adjust the L.O. frequency by "trial and error" until the phase graph gives a horizontal line (the phase plot for the LEFT audio input will be green, the phase for the RIGHT audio input red).
The decimation factor can be set on the "Acquisition+Trigger" tab (subject to change), the preset value is 4096 which gives a bandwidth of less than 44100 Hz / (2*4096) = 5.38Hz. You can set the decimation factor MUCH higher for lower bandwidth, for 10 second dots a good value may be 20736, resulting bandwidth less than 1 Hz, and the time scale covering about 300 seconds if the screen is maximized.
About the stability of the despised soundcard: Mine is stable enough to observe the phase of a TV sync signal (15625Hz) over 5 minutes with less than 45 degrees phase drift, but the PC must be running for a couple of hours before. The error at lower audio frequencies should be  less. If this is still too much: Permanently determining the soundcard's clock error with a GPS-derived signal on one of the stereo input channels may be a solution, though it sounds like 'overkill' to me. Better build a stand-alone high-precision audio generator and use it to replace the 'L.O.' for the phase meter. Now we are back in the hardware business, hooray :-)


Sorry for the lengthy windoze-biased message.

Looking forward for your transmission on friday,

Wolf  DL4YHF.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28352 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 15:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 15:15:03 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 5161 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 15:15:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 15:15:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bNLj-0007Yf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:03 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bNLi-0007Ya-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:02 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id PAA23911; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:08:39 GMT Received: (qmail 19222 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 15:45:54 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 15:45:54 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id PAA27239; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:13:01 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma027219; Thu, 14 Feb 02 15:12:55 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:05:47 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <166TGDTK>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:58:06 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99C2@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: GPS Locked PSK Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:58:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I was going to make a GPS locked PSK-CW transmission tonight, but will postpone for the Hell tests. Tomorrow (Friday) look for PSK-CW on 137.450000 kHz starting at 1900.00 UTC. 'Dot' period will be 10 seconds and for correct interpretation of the phase, the transmission will start with the key going DOWN at this time. Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26198 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 15:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 15:02:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 20071 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 15:02:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 15:02:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bNKn-0007YR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:58:05 +0000 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.81]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bNKm-0007YL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:58:04 +0000 Received: from host213-1-176-83.btinternet.com ([213.1.176.83] helo=presario-1920) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16bNJu-0001AY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:57:10 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group@Blacksheep.Org" Subject: LF: RSGB HF & IOTA International Convention 2002: Call for Papers Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:59:18 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Over the last few years this annual convention has been an occasion where amateurs interested in LF have met and exchanged views and shared their knowledge on LF operating, technical and experimental matters. I am chairing the organising committee this year, after taking a back seat last year on account of other commitments. I intend to make the event even better this year for those interested in LF, thus am issuing a copy of the announcement that will appear in the March RadCom, the RSGB, CDXC and IOTA websites, onto this list. -- CALL FOR PAPERS Papers are invited for the RSGB International HF and IOTA Convention to be held at the Beaumont Convention Centre, Old Windsor, Berkshire over the weekend 11th - 13th October 2002. The Convention covers DXing and technical topics that relate to amateur bands from (and including) 50MHz to 73kHz. This year we will be particularly interested to consider topics of interest to the new Foundation Licence holders. If you have an interesting idea and wish to be considered as a speaker please submit a brief abstract on the subject matter to the Chairman of the HF Convention sub-committee via e-mail to HFC2002.Chairman@rsgb.org.uk or by post to RSGB HQ. -- In addition to the above I would be interested to hear personal views on how to improve the LF content of the convention. We need to retain those already interested in this aspect of the hobby and also attract more people to it. Suggestions please direct to me, rather than clog up this list, to g3wkl@btinternet.com 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27147 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 13:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 13:51:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 29481 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 13:51:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 13:51:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bMF5-0007Kq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:48:07 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bMF4-0007Kk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:48:06 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16bMEF-0000rh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c1b55e$24108420$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202140546_MC3-F1F2-D9F6@compuserve.com> <3C6BADA9.B0B8CF6D@usa.net> Subject: LF: Re: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:47:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alberto and Geri I have done the same test by generating a very weak signal in the shack and listening on my normal antenna with all the band noise. I found Jason to be equivalent to 10 second QRSS with Argo. I will be ready to transmit and receive Hell etc. tonight. Will you be in your "chat room" Geri? 73. Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25316 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 13:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 13:28:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 11091 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 13:28:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 13:28:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bLtA-0007HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:25:28 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bLt9-0007HD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:25:27 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id NAA24496; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:34:57 GMT Received: (qmail 14840 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 14:12:11 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 14:12:11 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id NAA21693; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:39:17 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma021679; Thu, 14 Feb 02 13:38:52 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:31:43 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <166TGCDW>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:24:01 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99C0@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: GPS Locked PSK Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:23:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: A difficult one, if you are after software that automatically decodes the message. But the beauty of GPS locked signalling is that the need for carrier and clock recovery has been removed. Provided the transmitted frequency is known exactly and the timing intervals are also known - with GPS locking both of course are very precisely defined - then a straightforward off-air phase plot, after filtering to a narrow bandwidth is all that is needed to 'see' phase modulated transmissions. Wolf DL4YHF is adding a vectorscope and time / phase plot to Spectrum lab and I believe the first versions may be available for testers, so for a simple fully coherent session you could just set that to its narrowest setting (after calibrating your soundcard oscillator and real time clock !) and plot out the received phase of a transmission over a period of an hour or so and look at the pattern you get. One of the options I have built into my GPS locked DDS driver software is CW coding so that a message can be read visually from a time / phase plot. This technique does not have the advantage of a proper coherent integration over a symbol period, but will still give many of the S/N advantages of coherent reception in the decimated bandwidth. Alteratively, you could try this : Build a divider with 2 quadrature outputs to get a 90 degree shifted pair of very accurate audio frequency tones, say 1kHz, from your locked source; a PIC could probably do this very well. Apply this to the LO port of a pair of mixers that will work at audio, such as the ubiquitous MC1496. Connect your receiver producing a tone at exactly the same frequency to both mixer signal inputs. Low pass filter the outputs to some low value - well below 1Hz. Initially just connect the two outputs which are now an analogue complex representation of the received signal in a narrow bandwidth to a scope in X/Y mode. Voila - a vectorscope for narrow bandwidth reception with no software in sight. It is difficult to get the actual phase without calculating it in real time using teh arctan function from the I/Q voltages, but plotting either I or Q as appropriate on some sort of chart recorder arrangement will show 180 degree changes. I find it very sad that there is so much reliance these days on Soundcards with their inherent inaccuracies and difficulty in producing driving software. Any other interface, from the simple external A/D on the serial port, right up to a separate DSP card, allows the entire system to be locked to one reference and removes a substantial amount of the processing overhead. The serial port A/D is so straightforward to build and programme for, that I'm truly amazed a lot more use is not made of it ! The VE2IQ PSK software will still run satisfactorily on a 10MHz 286 machine, whereas most of the latest Soundcard software needs a Pentium machine. Is there a reluctance to build extra hardware these days ? But I supppose that anyone who doesn't use the Windoze operting system now is behind the times and "Not with it!". An attitude seen more and more these days until the advantage of simple software performing real time decoding is demonstrated to them. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Cianciolo [mailto:paulc@snet.net] Sent: 14 February 2002 11:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: GPS Locked PSK >There a few of us here in the states with GPS locked systems. >The references have been becoming more and more available. >My system is locked to GPS. The question is however is there any >software avaiable to take advantage of the system you are using. >I would really like to try and hear you or others transmitting this mode and >I have all the hardware to do it, >but lack the software. >Any idea's -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). 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Dr. OM,

Tomorrow (Friday) I'm going to deliver my talk on LF for radio clubs for the seventh time (number 8 is already booked).

I tell the audience that the best times to hear normal Morse code signals are Saturday and Sunday mornings.
I do hope that coming weekend there will indeed be some traffic. A newcomer hearing only noise is unlikely to become an enthusiastic user of the band.

Unfortunately I will only be QRV on Saturday because of other obligations on Sunday.

By the way: I do miss G4GVC. John was always available for a chat or helping newcomers.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation!

73, Dick, PA0SE  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4760 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 12:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 12:40:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2714 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 12:40:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 12:40:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bL2V-00077I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:31:03 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bL2T-00077D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:31:02 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA124870 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:25:17 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss3.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.68]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO/VER6.00) with ESMTP id g1ECU7m152112 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:30:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6BADA9.B0B8CF6D@usa.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:29:29 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz References: <200202140546_MC3-F1F2-D9F6@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" wrote: >> I am preparing a Web page that will show a perfect copy of a Jason >> signal,, while that very same signal is practically undetectable with Argo. >... that is some interesting information, and I will definetely run more > tests in Jason soon to get a better feeling for it's capabilities. Well, it seems that I spoke too soon....... During the lunch interval I discovered that I have been baffled by the AC97 standard again.... What happened is that I started at the same time both Jason and Argo, while Winamp played a WAV file obtained by mixing a Jason signal with a measured amount of white noise (43 dB stronger than the Jason signal), using Cool Edit (TNX to Stewart Nelson for this tip). Jason did a perfect decoding having been set with a center frequency of 800 Hz. Argo did not show anything at this frequency. However I have just discovered, by chance, that the signal is visible on Argo around 825 Hz......... Jason samples at 11025 Hz, while Argo uses 5512. The AC97 driver of the sound chip on my laptop performs the downsampling needed to accommodate the requests by both programs at the same time. Apparently the correctness of this downsampling process leaves much to be desired.... a lesson for the future. So the bottom line is that, at least for the present test, what is decoded by Jason is also visible on Argo. Sorry for having misled you. But the tests will continue. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14735 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 11:41:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 11:41:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 17261 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 11:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 11:41:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bK66-0006yo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:30:42 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bK65-0006yj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:30:41 +0000 Received: from rescueelect (170.128.252.64.snet.net [64.252.128.170] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1EBSC0H009262 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul A. Cianciolo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: GPS Locked PSK Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99B8@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andy, There a few of us here in the states with GPS locked systems. The references have been becoming more and more available. My system is locked to GPS. The question is however is there any software avaiable to take advantage of the system you are using. I would really like to try and hear you or others transmitting this mode and I have all the hardware to do it, but lack the software. Any idea's Thank you Paulc W1VLF This Email was brought to you by a completely solar powered home network. Cloudbounce Webpage http://www.qsl.net/w1vlf/ GE Electrak E20 and E15 electric tractors Air Rifle Target Shooting Enthusiast -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of Talbot Andrew Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:46 AM To: LF Group (E-mail); PLX (E-mail) Subject: LF: GPS Locked PSK I am now in a position to transmit GPS locked and timed PSK signals using the high power transmitter giving around 100mW ERP - at least it should be that power when the weather eventually stops raining. A lower power Tx is also available for microwatt ERP levels. Software driving the DDS module can generate any of these types of PSK data : Pure binary code, specified as Hex or by its 1/0 sequence. ASCII - non differentially coded in the Varicode alphabet as used for PSK31. As above, but differentially coded to remove the phase ambiguity but giving 2* error rate. CW representation, where key down = 0 deg, key up = 180 deg - Ideal for visual decoding on a time / phase plot but less efficient than varicode. Data rate can have any bit period that is an exact multiple of one second, and timed to UTC pulses. For decoding purposes it may be convenient to define a time reference, such as the hour, where the data sequence starts; and also to define the start polarity at that point. Frequency using the GPS locked reference can be any exact multiple of 1/1024 Hz (so all 1Hz values are possible) but could have up to 20 degrees of phase jitter on it over a period of a few seconds. The effect of this is to give 1Hz sidebands at a level of -40dB. A more short term stable source can generate Caesium, MSF or TV sync locked frequencies that are based on 6.5536 MHz / 2^32, so exact Hz multiples are available every 25Hz. I prefer not to have the Cs tube runing for extended periods as it has got to last a lifetime and I don't know how many hours are left in the tube. So if anyone is ready with vectorscopes, PSK demodulators etc......... Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17448 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 10:52:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 10:52:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12977 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 10:52:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 10:52:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bJSL-0006sK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:49:37 +0000 Received: from siaag1ae.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bJSJ-0006sF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:49:36 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id FAA21335 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:46:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:46:31 -0500 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202140546_MC3-F1F2-D9F6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Alberto, >Well, I did reason along these same lines in the past, but some tests I performed >recently convinced me of the contrary. >I am preparing a Web page that will show a perfect copy of a Jason signal, while >that very same signal is practically undetectable with Argo. Admittedly, this was >with AWGN noise only, not a common occurrence in real life, but it made me >think... ... that is some interesting information, and I will definetely run more tests in Jason soon to get a better feeling for it's capabilities. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11237 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 10:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 10:25:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11870 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 10:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 10:24:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bJ1w-0006mZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:22:20 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bJ1u-0006mU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:22:19 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA124134 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:16:32 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss3.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.68]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO/VER6.00) with ESMTP id g1EALNK206522 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:21:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6B8F7C.7AED8AD7@usa.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:20:45 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz References: <200202140358_MC3-F1F6-F64D@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" wrote: > Although people do claim that machines can detect and read signals burried > in noise better than the human senses, I have not yet seen this really > happening (despite, probably, WOLF, but this also works only if a human eye > looks through the garbled text received and immediately finds those > sequences that make sense). Well, I did reason along these same lines in the past, but some tests I performed recently convinced me of the contrary. I am preparing a Web page that will show a perfect copy of a Jason signal, while that very same signal is practically undetectable with Argo. Admittedly, this was with AWGN noise only, not a common occurrence in real life, but it made me think... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27710 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 10:23:00 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 10:23:00 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9564 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 10:23:03 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 10:23:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bIyh-0006lY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:18:59 +0000 Received: from gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl ([192.87.3.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bIyg-0006l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:18:58 +0000 Received: (from fwmaster@localhost) by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl (8.9.1a/8.6.12) id LAA20737 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:17:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by gate3.oss.akzonobel.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma019520; Thu, 14 Feb 02 11:16:32 +0100 Received: by TRITON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1P24351R>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:16:32 +0100 Message-ID: <639D20177889D41198A600508BAD3CA103741F2B@capella3.oss.akzonobel.nl> From: "Laken, W.H.P.A. van der \(Wil\)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:16:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Giulio, About two years ago I had the same problems in a Dutch windmill. The wings have a metal core and must be connected to a (very good) earth as long as the windmill is not in use. I tried the solution for an earthed mast described in ON7YD's website: http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136ant.htm#Tower So I connected a wire to the top of the mill, went down with the wire to my coil and went up again and from the top sloping at 45 degrees to a lamppost 25 meters from the mill. Although the top of the windmill was (only) 32 meters high I had a very good weekend working all over Europe. 73 es good luck. Wil (PA0BWL) jo21ss ps. my TS850s RX is in repair but it might be nice to have a scheduled qso if I am QRV again. -----Original Message----- From: Giulio Scaroni [mailto:scaroni@phoenix.it] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:49 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Hi to all, saturday i have tested the our contest station in Mantova city in LF, and qso with G in aural CW seems not a problem with a 80 meters long vertical wire, slooping from the top of the tower, with 150 watts. But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top? The tower is exatly 80 meters long, with a base of 8x8 meters, and at 70 meters is 1x1 meters, and at 80 meters is 0.5x0.5 meters, so big antenna with big capacitance to ground, i think is a smaller version of Decca insulated tower, but this one is grounded. Any idea?? The picture is at this site http://www.as.net/~kn6dv/ik2ded/ik2ded.html 73 to all de Giulio IK2DED. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message, including attached files, may contain confidential information and is intended only for the use by the individual and/or the entity to which it is addressed. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of, or copying of the information contained herein is not allowed and may lead to irreparable harm and damage for which you may be held liable. If you receive this message in error or if it is intended for someone else please notify the sender by returning this e-mail immediately and delete the message. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8563 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:36:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 21451 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:36:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:36:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bIGI-0006dx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:33:06 +0000 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.174]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bIGH-0006ds-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:33:05 +0000 Received: from modem-117.ar-gimilzor.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.123.245] helo=lvm) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16bIFQ-0003ut-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:32:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c1b53a$8f223980$f57b883e@lvm> From: "LAWRENCE MAYHEAD" To: "rsgb lf group" Subject: LF: Re. Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:23:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mike G3XDV quite correctly pointed out that a gamma match could be used to feed a vert. tower. However I had dismissed this solution for two reasons 1) Climbing an 80 m tower to attach a feed wire is pretty daunting! 2) Even though Giulio's tower is 80m high it is still only only 0.036 of a wavelength so I wonder wether a gamma match could be made to work.Perhaps some EZNEC work would help here. For the moment I guess I'm back to my simple solution of a single sloping wire. After all this worked well for Dave G0MRFand the tower block. Were there some chance of another high support so as to increase the top load that of would be another story, but the "new ground " theory works with height as well as horizontal coverage and has the advantage of getting clear of the surroundings (trees etc) . 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16299 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:05:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29256 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:05:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:05:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bHkG-0006YF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:00:00 +0000 Received: from siaag1ac.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bHkF-0006Y8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:59:59 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id DAA08944 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:58:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:58:24 -0500 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202140358_MC3-F1F6-F64D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Dave, >I just had a play with the IZ8BLY program and it looks to me like the FM >Hell 105 Baud is the only one that would be useable on a crowded band. The >rest of them seem to fill half the band with sidebands..... >I would be very interested to see which one proves most effective though. >I'll look out for you in Hell, but which one??< ... I am not so sure about the bandwidth. Of what I have seen, the bandwidth of each sideband of the standard FELDHELL (using an on/off keying of one single frequency with 122.5 Bd) is around 62 Hz, so the total bandwidth should be around 125 Hz, centering this on 137.400 Hz I do not think that there is a considerable QRM on either side of the signal, neither in the CW segment nor in the QRSS section of the band. I know that standard FELDHELL is not the optimum for LF but I would like to test this first, as a kind of "reference", before going to other HELL modes. The main reason I like to use FELDHELL first is because this is the original HELL mode that was developed some 70 years ago and is the father of all FAX and RTTY systems. If you have a look in IZ8BLY's program, you will find a menu "Meteor Scatter" (under "Transmit Options I believe". Here you can choose "1/8 speed" which should give us a bandwidth of only 30 Hz or so. This migh be suitable for LF operations under noisy conditions (probably). Also the PSK Hell based on phase shif keying similar to PSK31 might be an option, here I would choose the 105 bd option. The beauty of HELL is simply that it is a system that is not designed to be machine readable (such as RTTY and PSK31) but reabable by the human eyes and brain. Each letter is kind of transmitted as a small "fax", you can use different fonts to give best readability. This allows to compensate for QRM and missing parts of letters etc. Although people do claim that machines can detect and read signals burried in noise better than the human senses, I have not yet seen this really happening (despite, probably, WOLF, but this also works only if a human eye looks through the garbled text received and immediately finds those sequences that make sense). People claiming that for example PSK31 works better than CW either have not tried this on LF or are not sufficently trained to listen to weak CW signals ... What I will do is to call cq in standard FELDHELL on 137.400 kHz this evening from time to time, and listen out for replies. If anyone feels disturbed by wide sidebands or other effects, please let me know immediately. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8060 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 03:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 03:39:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4793 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 03:39:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 03:39:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bCf6-0005z0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:34:20 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bCf5-0005yv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:34:19 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:33:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6B3000.E70FBDC3@att.net> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:33:20 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> <001901c1b3fc$a9ee9400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <000f01c1b49a$fd9ef1a0$e36968d5@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This thread is very interesting to me since I have a tower and hope one day to be able to use it for LF transmitting. The antenna that I used last year for the first TA receptions was my 160 meter dipole which is suspended from the tower at about 30 meters above ground. The top of the tower is a few meters above this point and there is a mast with H frame supporting VHF/UHF and microwave antennas. The feed point of the dipole is offset from the tower approximately 0.75 meter. The feed line is homebrew ladder line which maintains the 0.75 meter spacing from the tower down to near ground level. The ladder line is pulled tight so that few spacers and no additional standoff supports are required. The antenna works great for all HF bands when fed with a 4:1 air balun and a 4 meter section of 7/8" Heliax connecting the balun to a tuner in the shack. A few months ago I connected the tracking generator output of the HP SLM that I use for LF receiving to the 160 meter antenna. I removed the balun and tied the balanced line wire together then inserted a small pot core coil in series with the antenna. With another antenna connected to the SLM input I adjusted the tunable coil to resonant the antenna. The SLM was tuned to 135.922 KHz TA window from the previous evening receiving session. Not long after performing this adjustment I received an email with screen capture asking me if I knew what that signal was in the TA window. The time and frequency confirmed it was my signal. This reception report came from a station 543 KM away at mid day with the generator power of 0 dbm! I knew this arrangement worked fairly well for receive but to find it would radiate so well was a surprise. I thought most of the signal would be shunted to ground since the radiating wire was so close to the tower. Now my question to the few who have read this far. Can I expect this to be a good high power transmitting LF antenna with the addition of a good coil? All cables from the tower route down to about half a meter above ground where they run horizontal under the shack floor. I suspect these cables would be hot with RF unless they are choked off by some method. The tower has insulated guy wires but the base is well grounded. The top of the 160 meter antenna can been seen on my VHF or Microwave page at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/ The top support is on the left side of tower just above the top guy wires. Dexter, W4DEX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9611 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 23:28:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 23:28:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 20651 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 23:28:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 23:28:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b8g3-0005M7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:19:03 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b8g2-0005M2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:19:02 +0000 Received: from host62-7-53-48.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([62.7.53.48] helo=default) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16b8fD-0002n9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:18:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c1b4e4$ada37b40$3035073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Aerial and Ground-loss measurements Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:01:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, as I promised I have loaded the details of Finbar's experiments of a small vertical top loaded aerial onto my new Web site. The results confirm Laurie's ideas about the reduction of losses with increased 'ground coverage' with the top load wires. For those who have not yet found it, the site also contains so details of our Class-E single ended PA experiments and design aids. I promise to publish the talk on Propagation given at Windsor HF Convention 2001 on the site, as soon as I have finished preparing the diagrams. Try http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk Hopefully all the links work now, if not please advise me. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28843 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 21:53:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 21:53:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17763 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 21:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 21:53:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b7HX-00059y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:49:39 +0000 Received: from www.gardaol.com ([195.223.232.51] helo=netregister.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b7HW-00059t-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:49:39 +0000 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia05.phoenix.it [213.82.97.69]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g1DLmkp11864 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:48:46 +0100 Message-ID: <003601c19a61$cbce88a0$456152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> <001901c1b3fc$a9ee9400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <000f01c1b49a$fd9ef1a0$e36968d5@oemcomputer> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:35:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Many thanks to all the LFers for the suggestions, i'm find a sistem that do not need to put long wire everywere around the tower, and a sistem that work well without many check, climb a tower of 80 meters, with the last 10 meters outside of the tower is not simple, and any operations that a ground level are simple, at that eight are really hard!! hi hi. So for now thanks again, and soon i'll try something for replace the simple vertical wire that i'm using now. 73 to all and see you from my home qth in Brescia in qrss 137.7, and may be on saturday from the tower. Giulio. > Giulio Scaroni wrote: > But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed > directly it, may be at the top? > Any idea?? > > G3AQC replied: > I don't think there is any way to excite the tower directly.............. > > > There is a way to excite a grounded antenna directly, that is to use a gamma > match. Connect one leg of the feeder to the earth point, and the other a few > metres up the mast - the higher, the better. Match this low impedance to > your Tx with a transformer. Simple but effective. > > Mike, G3XDV > > [temporarily off the air whilst finding a job is occupying much of my time - > but still watching the e-mails] > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14922 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 20:51:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 20:51:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 7627 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 20:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 20:51:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b6Kc-0004zl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:48:46 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b6Kb-0004zg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:48:46 +0000 Received: from host217-35-31-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.31.114] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16b6Jn-0002vh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:47:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01c1b4cf$ba78e680$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202131233_MC3-F1D6-B3DA@compuserve.com> Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:48:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Geri I just had a play with the IZ8BLY program and it looks to me like the FM Hell 105 Baud is the only one that would be useable on a crowded band. The rest of them seem to fill half the band with sidebands..... I would be very interested to see which one proves most effective though. I'll look out for you in Hell, but which one?? 73 Dave G3YXM. ------------------- Hello LF Group, if you hear a strange noise on 137.400 kHz its probably me, I am doing some tests in "FELDHELL"-mode on that frequency in the evening and probably also during the weekend. I hope that the bandwidth I produce is not causing any trouble, theoretically it should be in the range of 125 Hz. I use the fine software written by IZ8BLY, available at http://iz8bly.sysonline.it/ so I can also change to the other HELL modes that are implemented in the software. See you in HELL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8113 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 18:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 18:54:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17746 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 18:54:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b4U8-0004j5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:50:28 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b4U7-0004j0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:50:27 +0000 Received: from ldsas10-74-125-42.cw-visp.com ([212.137.125.42] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16b4Hz-0001rb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:37:56 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6AB520.7E4779AF@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:49:04 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Loop comments (again) References: <003701c1b46a$2257d880$019c01d4@dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave Sergeant wrote: > >From Dave G3YMC > > My loop has been in use for well over 3 years now, so the following may clarify > recent discussion and surprise some used to 'conventional' vertical antennas. > > 1. Loops are largely unaffected by ground resistance. There is a small earth > coupling loss which reflects to a series loss resistance. The actual mechanics of > this I have never understood, but the effective resistance of this is no more than > 0.5 ohms. There is no connection whatsoever between my loop and real ground (the tx > is grounded to mains earth), and the lower leg of my loop is just one foot above > ground. This is the big advantages of loops - they are effectively independant of > earth losses. > > On this basis there is a limit to how low you can sensibly make the wire losses. My > loop has a dc resistance of 0.1 ohms - it is constructed of 30A speaker cable, two > conductors 2.5mm diameter paralleled. Because of the reflected earth loss (0.5 ohms) > and skin effect losses increasing the wire size or using Litz would be a law of > diminishing returns. > > 2. Matching is via a capacitive network, there is no lossy loading inductance in the > system at all. Q is high, and bandwidth is about 100Hz. Contrary to what has been > suggested, the resonance is stable and has stayed within a few hundred I consider 20 hz too much and that is the tolerance to which I refer and certainly not hundreds of hz. When I was discussing variations of detuning recently between litz and insulated 2.5mm wire I considered 50 hz too much with the litz coil. My antenna wires are tight but with strong gale force winds there is obviously some movement and this is more noticeable with the litz coil but still only around 50- 70 hz. Apart from these gales the system remains stable for months and needs no readjusting. Anyone that I have worked on a loop puts out a very poor signal. A number of stations have tx loops as well as verticals and when they switch to the vertical the signals difference is tremendous, many db's stronger on the vertical. Dave, I am not an expert on loops but your signal is barely audible with me > Hz all the > time it has been up. Match at resonance is always 1:1 (and an swr bridge is a far > more relevant tool for loops than an rf current meter). Sometimes the wire sags after > wind and resonance shifts by 300Hz or so - retensioning the loop quickly puts it > back. In heavy wind there is some evidence of match change but never anything > dramatic. The only effect seen is temperature coefficient change in the matching > network capacitors - between a cold winter morning and midday summer the resonance > moves up by a few hundred Hz. All these changes can be accomodated by changing the > switch settings on my match box. In a word, my loop is 'rock stable' and has needed > no attention for 3 years. It is always available for transmit with no messing about. > > Not so my vertical. Bearing in mind it is not helped by a 300 ohm earth loss, and > the fact that the tuning is very broad anyway, in the short time it has been in use > it has gone off resonance/match after any small change in conditions - rain, frost, > wind etc. It is infinitely more effected by the elements than the loop, and needs > constant attention to keep it in a useable state. > > Hope this clarifies a few things. > > Dave G3YMC > dsergeant@iee.org > dsergeant@btinternet.com > http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5025 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 18:54:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 18:54:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17719 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 18:54:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 18:54:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b4U5-0004ix-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:50:25 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b4U4-0004ir-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:50:24 +0000 Received: from ldsas10-74-125-42.cw-visp.com ([212.137.125.42] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16b4Hw-0001rX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:37:52 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6AB17B.855F1E99@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:33:31 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: new Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Look out for IK4AOZ now qrp but going QRO in the near future. Got a nice report from him on normal cw a few days ago. Op Alfo, QTH - IMOLA/BOLOGNA 73 De Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13269 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 17:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 17:39:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12688 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 17:39:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 17:39:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b3JN-0004Z1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:35:17 +0000 Received: from siaag1af.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.8]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b3JM-0004Yo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:35:16 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id MAA14407 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:33:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:33:26 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202131233_MC3-F1D6-B3DA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello LF Group, if you hear a strange noise on 137.400 kHz its probably me, I am doing some tests in "FELDHELL"-mode on that frequency in the evening and probably also during the weekend. I hope that the bandwidth I produce is not causing any trouble, theoretically it should be in the range of 125 Hz. I use the fine software written by IZ8BLY, available at http://iz8bly.sysonline.it/ so I can also change to the other HELL modes that are implemented in the software. See you in HELL Bets 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22460 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 14:43:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 14:43:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 20866 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 14:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 14:43:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b0Pr-00047S-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:29:47 +0000 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16b0Pq-00047N-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:29:46 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.105.227]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020213142848.CHGI9422.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:28:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c1b49a$fd9ef1a0$e36968d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> <001901c1b3fc$a9ee9400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:30:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Giulio Scaroni wrote: But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top? Any idea?? G3AQC replied: I don't think there is any way to excite the tower directly.............. There is a way to excite a grounded antenna directly, that is to use a gamma match. Connect one leg of the feeder to the earth point, and the other a few metres up the mast - the higher, the better. Match this low impedance to your Tx with a transformer. Simple but effective. Mike, G3XDV [temporarily off the air whilst finding a job is occupying much of my time - but still watching the e-mails] From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13336 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 10:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 10:47:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29736 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 10:47:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 10:47:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16awsO-0003W7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:43:00 +0000 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.164]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16awsN-0003W1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:42:59 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.10d.d5cf8a0 (16335) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:41:57 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.d5cf8a0.299b9cf4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:41:56 EST Subject: Re: LF: Signal in T/a Slot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Brian, > There was a signal starting around 23:05utc, on 135923Hz, > three characters, the middle one possibly a W. Does anyone claim it? looks like Jeff, F6BWO. 73 Markus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13803 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 10:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 10:39:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22072 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 10:39:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 10:39:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16awn3-0003Ub-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:29 +0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16awn2-0003UC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:28 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.130.94f4a82 (16335) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:36:01 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <130.94f4a82.299b9b91@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:36:01 EST Subject: Re: LF: Loop comments (again) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dave 'YMC, > ...There is a small earth > coupling loss which reflects to a series loss resistance. The actual mechanics of > this I have never understood, but the effective resistance of this is no more than > 0.5 ohms. There are two causes for ground-induced loss in a magnetic loop: - eddy currents in the ground. These are hardly avoidable and their losses increase with ground conductivity, so "bad LF ground" is good for loops. Of course, some distance (ie. height) helps, whereas using multiple turns makes no difference. - capacitively coupled losses if the high potential end of the loop comes close to ground. Properly balanced feeding from the top, low inductance and multiple series capacitors can reduce these losses. A similar situation occurs in magnetic resonance imaging, where small receive loops ("surface coils") are often placed close to the patient's skin to achieve maximum sensitivity, and the eddycurrent noise resistance of the tissue sets a fundamental limit in achievable SNR. Back to LF: If you had an (single-turn) loop of say 200 m^2 and 0.5 ohms, the series radiation resistance would be around 50 microohms and the efficiency 10^-4 (-40dB). On the other hand, a 10 m high top-loaded vertical radiates with approx. 33 milliohms, roughly the same 10^-4 at 300 ohms loss. The latter may be somewhat extreme though. In most cases, the losses of amateur vertical antennas seem to be on the order of 30 to 100 ohms (probably containing a large part of capacitively coupled losses rather than direct ground connection resistance). - A different point is the directional characteristic of a loop, which may sometimes become a handicap for TX. If you live on very high-impedance ground, an earth loop (a long wire laid out on the ground, shorted at the remote end and spanning up its area underneath due to the skin depth of the earth return current) may also be a viable option. 73s and all the best Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24931 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 09:53:49 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 09:53:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 630 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 09:53:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 09:53:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aw41-0003MZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:50:57 +0000 Received: from dargolad.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.27]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aw41-0003MU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:50:57 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by dargolad.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1D9o6T26875 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:50:06 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por401.esoterica.pt [195.22.18.102]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1D9o5C01246 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:50:05 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020213095050.009d4910@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:50:50 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: LF: Signal in T/a Slot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: There was a signal starting around 23:05utc, on 135923Hz, three characters, the middle one possibly a W. Does anyone claim it? 73, Brian 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12018 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 09:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 09:48:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24813 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 09:48:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 09:48:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16avzJ-0003LA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:46:05 +0000 Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.33]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16avzI-0003L5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:46:04 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.93.180c15dd (4254) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:45:06 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <93.180c15dd.299b8fa2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:45:06 EST Subject: LF: RSGB Web site. - Thank you To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mike Alberto Dave Andy and Simon.

Thank you all for your comments about setting up web sites. The detailed responses on domain registration have been safely stored.

It appears that the details on setting up a site on the 10M free space available from the RSGB are located in the members only section at rsgb.org. A call to HQ, as suggested, produced the necessary six digit access code - Also on Rad Com address label.

Hopefully   MS  FrontPage will now be able to handle the file transfers.

Thanks again.

David    G0MRF

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24672 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 09:12:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 09:12:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15297 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 09:12:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 09:12:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16avQ1-0003GF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:09:37 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16avQ0-0003GA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:09:36 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g1D98EUQ300570 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:08:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020213100419.2b4f1c86@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:04:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. In-reply-to: <001901c1b3fc$a9ee9400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed >directly it, may be at the top? >Any idea?? > Hello Giulio, have a look at http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136ant.htm#Tower for some suggestions. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21014 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 08:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 08:44:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 22395 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 08:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 08:44:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16auyT-0003BW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:41:09 +0000 Received: from ns1.connectfree.co.uk ([212.1.130.32]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16auyS-0003BR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:41:08 +0000 Received: from [212.1.156.1] (helo=dave) by ns1.connectfree.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16av3T-0001vr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:46:20 +0000 Message-ID: <003701c1b46a$2257d880$019c01d4@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: Loop comments (again) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:37:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC My loop has been in use for well over 3 years now, so the following may clarify recent discussion and surprise some used to 'conventional' vertical antennas. 1. Loops are largely unaffected by ground resistance. There is a small earth coupling loss which reflects to a series loss resistance. The actual mechanics of this I have never understood, but the effective resistance of this is no more than 0.5 ohms. There is no connection whatsoever between my loop and real ground (the tx is grounded to mains earth), and the lower leg of my loop is just one foot above ground. This is the big advantages of loops - they are effectively independant of earth losses. On this basis there is a limit to how low you can sensibly make the wire losses. My loop has a dc resistance of 0.1 ohms - it is constructed of 30A speaker cable, two conductors 2.5mm diameter paralleled. Because of the reflected earth loss (0.5 ohms) and skin effect losses increasing the wire size or using Litz would be a law of diminishing returns. 2. Matching is via a capacitive network, there is no lossy loading inductance in the system at all. Q is high, and bandwidth is about 100Hz. Contrary to what has been suggested, the resonance is stable and has stayed within a few hundred Hz all the time it has been up. Match at resonance is always 1:1 (and an swr bridge is a far more relevant tool for loops than an rf current meter). Sometimes the wire sags after wind and resonance shifts by 300Hz or so - retensioning the loop quickly puts it back. In heavy wind there is some evidence of match change but never anything dramatic. The only effect seen is temperature coefficient change in the matching network capacitors - between a cold winter morning and midday summer the resonance moves up by a few hundred Hz. All these changes can be accomodated by changing the switch settings on my match box. In a word, my loop is 'rock stable' and has needed no attention for 3 years. It is always available for transmit with no messing about. Not so my vertical. Bearing in mind it is not helped by a 300 ohm earth loss, and the fact that the tuning is very broad anyway, in the short time it has been in use it has gone off resonance/match after any small change in conditions - rain, frost, wind etc. It is infinitely more effected by the elements than the loop, and needs constant attention to keep it in a useable state. Hope this clarifies a few things. Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19978 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 07:42:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 07:42:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 18563 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 07:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 07:42:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16au11-00033X-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:39:43 +0000 Received: from smtp.seznam.cz ([195.119.180.43] helo=email.seznam.cz) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16au10-00033S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:39:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 19358 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 07:38:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO OK1FIG) (195.47.69.2) by smtp.seznam.cz with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 07:38:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c1b461$795f9860$1601a8c0@cz.gmc.net> From: "Petr Maly \(OK1FIG\)" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Re: QRSS transmit software need bad!!! Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:38:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Have you tried my: http://www.sweb.cz/ok1fig/EasyGram.htm Petr, OK1FIG ----- Original Message ----- From: "WE0H" To: Cc: "Post Rsgb_Lf_Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:50 AM Subject: LF: QRSS transmit software need bad!!! > I need a decent program for sending QRSS. I have the program called QRSS > version 3.11, but it has a bug in it and I won't use it. I can run DOS or > Windows anything here, so it doesn't matter. > Thanks again, > Mike>WE0H > http://www.geocities.com/we0h/index.html > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23412 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 02:57:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 02:57:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 4407 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 02:57:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 02:57:58 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16apWJ-0002Z6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:51:43 +0000 Received: from mail5.mx.voyager.net ([216.93.66.204]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16apWI-0002Z0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:51:42 +0000 Received: from k6500 (d32.ias0.mpls.mn.pclink.com [206.11.3.231]) by mail5.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id g1D2n0v30854; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:49:00 -0500 (EST) From: "WE0H" To: lowfer@mailman.qth.net Cc: "Post Rsgb_Lf_Group" Subject: LF: QRSS transmit software need bad!!! Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:50:49 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I need a decent program for sending QRSS. I have the program called QRSS version 3.11, but it has a bug in it and I won't use it. I can run DOS or Windows anything here, so it doesn't matter. Thanks again, Mike>WE0H http://www.geocities.com/we0h/index.html From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28796 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:56:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25387 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:56:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ajvz-0001r7-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:53:51 +0000 Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.66]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ajvy-0001r0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:53:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 26403 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:52:54 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.111.217.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.111.217) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:52:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20020212154949.01368100@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:49:49 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: Re: LF: T/A Condx. In-reply-to: <3C695C90.159FC7B5@netscapeonline.co.uk> References: <3.0.3.32.20020212072003.0135bb34@pop.netzero.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender:

Hi Mal,
Nothing that sttod out, but I'll have another look at my captures and let you know.

73,
Jon W1JHJ

>>>>

Hello Jon. Did you see anything of my signal last nite. I was using 60 sec dot on 135.922 khz
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV



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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2984 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:49:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:49:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19961 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ajpR-0001ol-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:47:05 +0000 Received: from fep01.swip.net ([130.244.199.129] helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ajpQ-0001og-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:47:04 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.40.209]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020212204613.BOCG23536.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:46:13 +0100 Message-ID: <00c801c1b406$6927bd20$072565d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C691C9E.61A8BCA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: LITZ WIRE Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:27:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All G3KEV wrote: > 2. A loading coil of the same inductance wound with 4mm litz wire > behaves differently. Because of the much higher Q the slightest breeze > or some rain and it needs retuning to resonance, also sudden > fluctuations are not good for the FET pa. This is true only if the ground loss (in ground point R + antenna-to-gnd return R) is very low compared to the coil R. Consider the actual antenna Q which is lower, and often MUCH lower in amateur antennas, than the loading coil Q. 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2488 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:49:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:49:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17225 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:49:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ajpT-0001os-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:47:07 +0000 Received: from fep01.swip.net ([130.244.199.129] helo=fep01-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ajpS-0001on-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:47:06 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.40.209]) by fep01-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020212204616.BOCP23536.fep01-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:46:16 +0100 Message-ID: <00c901c1b406$6b301040$072565d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> Subject: LF: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:46:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All Giulio Scaroni wrote: >But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top? Oh.. I wish I had such a tower! One idea is to make a top hat of wires fanning out radially from the top of the tower, sloping as little as possible. Feed the antenna between the top hat and the top of the tower - the current running down the tower will create the "vertical ampere-meters" that radiate. Assuming the tower is well grounded, put a loading coil between the tower top and the topload "umbrella". Feed via coax to a link winding on the "cold" side of the loading coil. An alternative to link coupling is to put a matching transformer between the cold end of the coil and the top of the tower. The coax feeds the primary winding. A remotely controlled variometer up there will do wonders. 73 de Johan (Giovanni) SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7067 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 19:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 19:39:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20820 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 19:39:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 19:39:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aijc-0001fk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:37:00 +0000 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aijb-0001ff-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:36:59 +0000 Received: from modem-123.aranel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.119.123] helo=g3aqc) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16aiil-0000i9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c1b3fc$a9ee9400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> Subject: LF: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:36:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
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Subject: LF: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna.

 
But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top?
Any idea??
 
Hi Giulio, what a great opportunity to experiment !
I don't think there is any way to excite the tower directly, I assume that there is not another high support near by,so a sloping wire will be the best solution, fed at the low end against a good ground (it might be a good idea to link the bottom of the tower to this point also).
In my experience the further away the wire is from lossy or grounded structures the better,also a vertical wire should be as near vertical as possible ! here we have two conflicting requirments so the best compromise will be a wire at 45deg. Well that's my first solution and it is possibly what you used for our contact.
However I would like to experiment with another possibility:-
Join the sloping wire to the top of the tower, making a very large grounded loop.
Of course it will be low impedance so all the requirments for thick wire apply,but
it will be so large that perhaps this will not be so important as for a smaller structure.
Well its an idea, and perhaps you would like to try it. But if not the signal you had was very good so I hope to hear you again soon. 73s Laurie. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3487 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 19:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 19:23:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17774 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 19:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 19:23:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aiSW-0001bJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:19:20 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aiSV-0001bE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:19:19 +0000 Received: from ldsas09-73-124-119.cw-visp.com ([212.137.124.119] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aiGQ-0005ZF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:06:50 +0000 Message-ID: <3C69601B.15374F96@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:34:03 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: LITZ WIRE References: <3C691C9E.61A8BCA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> <000a01c1b3cf$7f5d2ee0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: PC wrote: > Mal, and group > > To what do you attribute the changes in tuning using the higher Q litz wire? > I mean when the wind blows > Is it movement in the antenna wire itself? Or > is it an effect of the air/moisture,temp. change passing over the coil? Yes one factor, when the wind blows and causes antenna wire movement because the Q is very hight for litz wire and the bandwidth therefore is quite narrow, the antenna goes off resonance, and not good for the PA, you could easily Zap the transistors. Because of over all losses using small antennas on LF the advantage of using litz is only marginal over convential 2- 3 mil insulated wire. de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5748 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 19:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 19:22:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6846 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 19:22:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 19:22:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aiSR-0001bC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:19:15 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aiSQ-0001al-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:19:14 +0000 Received: from ldsas09-73-124-119.cw-visp.com ([212.137.124.119] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aiGK-0005Yv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:06:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3C695C90.159FC7B5@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:18:56 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: T/A Condx. References: <3.0.3.32.20020212072003.0135bb34@pop.netzero.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit  

Jonathan Jesse wrote:

Ran captures but zero copy here in FN41qw, Laurie. CONDX seemed faily good as I had a good copy on the 77.5KHZ time station. DCF39 was either missing or very weak last evening when you started your test.
Hello Jon. Did you see anything of my signal last nite. I was using 60 sec dot on 135.922 khz
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV
 
 

73,
Jon W1JHJ

At 21:05 2/11/02 -0000, you wrote:
>>>>

     Conditions appear good on 80m tonight, so I will transmit for about two hours
     starting 2230 utc. 30sec DFCW on 135,921.5. 73s Laurie.

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13283 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 18:07:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 18:07:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 27616 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 18:07:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 18:07:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ahJO-0001Qs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:05:50 +0000 Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net ([146.115.8.188]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ahJN-0001Qn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:05:50 +0000 Received: from comrex (207-172-216-55.s563.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.216.55]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult/n20340/mtc.v2) with SMTP id NAB11063 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:04:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004801c1b3f0$8274cc20$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.3.32.20020212072003.0135bb34@pop.netzero.net> Subject: Re: LF: T/A Condx. Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:09:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, Meant to post this last night, but nil copy 2300 - 2330 on Monday. Don't believe that W4DEX saw anything, either. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13325 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 17:52:11 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 17:52:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11626 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 17:52:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 17:52:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ah2v-0001MG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:49 +0000 Received: from mail9.wlv.netzero.net ([209.247.163.66]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ah2u-0001MB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:48:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 129 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 17:47:48 -0000 Received: from dialup-63.214.72.52.dial1.boston1.level3.net (HELO lazzo) (63.214.72.52) by mail9.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 17:47:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20020212072003.0135bb34@pop.netzero.net> X-Sender: w1jhj@pop.netzero.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:20:03 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Jonathan Jesse" Subject: Re: LF: T/A Condx. In-reply-to: <000a01c1b33f$e7be3b40$05e9fea9@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender:
Ran captures but zero copy here in FN41qw, Laurie. CONDX seemed faily good as I had a good copy on the 77.5KHZ time station. DCF39 was either missing or very weak last evening when you started your test.

73,
Jon W1JHJ

At 21:05 2/11/02 -0000, you wrote:
>>>>
Conditions appear good on 80m tonight, so I will transmit for about two hours
starting 2230 utc. 30sec DFCW on 135,921.5. 73s Laurie.

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25015 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 17:24:21 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 17:24:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13370 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 17:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 17:24:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16agVb-0001HK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:14:23 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16agVa-0001HF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:14:22 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16agUm-0004nY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:13:32 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16agUl-0003aY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:13:31 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212153715.00b05be8@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:09:19 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Re: LITZ WIRE In-reply-to: <000a01c1b3cf$7f5d2ee0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> References: <3C691C9E.61A8BCA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Paul, LF Group, I have yet to try a transmitting loop on LF, but from experience with loading coils and various other LF inductors, you can expect that replacing normal wire with Litz of similar size gives a reduction in RF resistance due to the wire itself by a factor of the order of 3. Obviously this would reduce the losses in an antenna, but by how much depends on what proportion of the loss occurred in the wire, and how much was due to other causes. If the total loss resistance of the antenna was dominated by external factors such as losses in the ground, using litz would make little difference. This will depend on the particular antenna. >...To what do you attribute the changes in tuning using the higher Q litz >wire? >I mean when the wind blows?. Is it movement in the antenna wire itself? Or >is it an effect of the air/moisture,temp. change passing over the coil? An antenna with a higher Q will have a narrower bandwidth - or equivalently, an impedance that varies more rapidly with changing inductance or capacitance - therefore the effect of any slight change in inductance or capacitance caused by movement in the wind or water droplets, etc, will have a greater effect on the antenna impedance for a high Q antenna than for a low Q one. The tuning can be made less critical by reducing the Q; however, for electrically small antennas, the efficiency will be reduced in exact proportion to the Q reduction. So halving the Q will give you twice the "SWR bandwidth", but only half the radiated power, for a given transmitter power and antenna dimensions. I believe some low-power MF beacons actually deliberately introduce resistive loading to achieve this, but in these cases efficiency is not a major issue; if you want the maximum possible efficiency from a given antenna, you will have to live with high Q. >My question all stem from the root question of is it possible to build a >small multiturn loop, say 3 meters on a side, >that would radiate reasonable well if it were elevated from the ground, and >out in the open with no trees. > >Also if great care was taken in the design to eliminate losses. Thus the >litz wire questions etc. What gives the best results can only be found by experiment in each individual case - however experience shows that the prime factor in maximising LF antenna efficiency is to maximise the critical dimensions of the antenna; effective height in case of a vertical, effective area in the case of a loop. Other improvements like reducing losses in wire or environment can be significant, but are unlikely to be as effective as making the antenna as big as possible in the first place. An inevitable consequence of reducing the size of an antenna is that the Q required to achieve the same efficiency as a larger antenna is increased - so even if it can be achieved, it will lead to practical operating difficulties. Making a small, efficient, wideband antenna is the holy grail of antenna specialists, but none have done it - although a very good small antenna can sometimes give better performance than a very poor big antenna. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3580 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 16:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 16:45:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2103 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 16:45:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 16:45:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16afx7-00019d-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:38:45 +0000 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16afx6-00019Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:38:44 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.108.d333cd2 (3988) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:37:45 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <108.d333cd2.299a9ed9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:37:45 EST Subject: Re: LF: GPS Locked PSK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Andy and group,

> So if anyone is ready with vectorscopes, PSK demodulators etc.........
>
> Andy  G4JNT

Yes here is someone with both vectorscope and PSK demodulator (the "differential" type),
so I would like to go for a test at the weekend.
Not much hope to receive you from my home location, however if you plan putting your high-power TX on the air during the week, please let us know.

A slow phase-keyed morse transmission would be a good start to find you. Unfortunately my PSK decoder only goes down to 2 symbols (here: "bits") per second, but I will try later to plug in an additional decimator to go even lower.

See you later,

Wolf   DL4YHF.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25028 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 16:04:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 16:04:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4409 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 16:04:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 16:04:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16afCX-0000zz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:50:37 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16afCW-0000zu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:50:36 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1CFnhu11146 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:49:43 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA13042 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:49:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:49:32 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D698DC@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: RE: HA6PC INFO Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:49:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Valerio... I just replied your message, but I received the message back, some problems at your provider side. I'm using this way to inform you about HA6PC. Hi Valerio... No problem. Gyuri HA6PC is CQing on 136 every weekend, but only CW. No QRSS. I worked him many times...hi. I heard him calling you several times. He is using about 200W and horizontal wire. He is very often at the HA6DX cluster. I'll contact him and to give him informations about sked. Please let me know prefered time and frequency. But please use my home E-mail for next two days, I'm out of office. mailto:om2tw@nextra.sk 73 de Rich OM2TW -----Original Message----- From: VALERIO [mailto:valerio@firewall.dii.unisi.it] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 4:21 PM To: Gasparik Richard Subject: HA6PC INFO Hello Rich, is possible to contact HA6PC for a sked ? I never heared him but IK2DED do it, so i would try. thanks in advance and '73 Valerio-IK5ZPV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3601 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 14:35:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 14:35:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12203 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 14:35:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 14:35:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adwN-0000lC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:29:51 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adwM-0000l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:29:50 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g1CESTlZ071060 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:28:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020212152435.08e71a5a@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:24:35 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: LITZ WIRE In-reply-to: <3C691C9E.61A8BCA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal, You are right, for the loading coil of a vertical antenna the Q is often no so critical as ground loss etc... in most cases is much larger than the loss in the coil. But in respect with loop antennas the quality of the wire is much more important as this is most likely the dominant loss factor. So if you want to use a transmitting loop the choise of wire is very important. 73, Rik At 13:46 12/02/02 +0000, you wrote: >Rik gave a good description of Litz wire in a recent message and the hi >Q qualities and theory is correct, however in practical terms it depends >whether you really need a hi Q coil or not. >My experience shows- > >1. A loading coil used to resonate a 136 khz antenna using normal 2.5 mm >insulated wire has a lower Q than Litz but more stable and less prone to >seasonal changes like, rain, sunshine, leaves on or off trees, wind >blowing the antenna wires about etc ie needs no retuning once set up for >optimum matching for a long period of time. > >2. A loading coil of the same inductance wound with 4mm litz wire >behaves differently. Because of the much higher Q the slightest breeze >or some rain and it needs retuning to resonance, also sudden >fluctuations are not good for the FET pa. It needs to be watched >carefully. >So it depends whether you want the last drop of RF and hi Q or a >fraction less RF and less trouble. >I cannot notice any real difference as regards radiating efficiency >between the two coils. >Anyone using 160 metres /M with the usual 8 ft loaded whip will have >noticed this when passing close to other vehicles or close to trees etc >and the higher the coil Q the worse it got. >I am currently experimenting with a 0.4 mh litz wound coil to resonate >my LF antenna and find it hard to keep spot on resonance with the recent >windy conditions. I did not have any problems in similar wx conditions >using 2.5mm insulated wire for the coil of the same inductance. >My system is all matched to 50 ohms and the swr monitored continuously >when transmitting so any fluctuations or changes are immediately >noticed. >I thing a loop antenna wound with litz wire and exposed to the elements >would be even harder >to keep resonant because of the Q factor. >It would be interesting to hear others observations about Litz v Normal >insulated wire for outside resonating coils. >73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14196 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 14:18:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 14:18:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8245 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 14:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 14:18:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adh0-0000hs-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:13:58 +0000 Received: from mx1.snet.net ([204.60.203.21]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adgy-0000hn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:13:57 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mx1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1CEDWwL012589 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:13:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01c1b3cf$7f5d2ee0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C691C9E.61A8BCA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: LF: Re: LITZ WIRE Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:13:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mal, and group To what do you attribute the changes in tuning using the higher Q litz wire? I mean when the wind blows?. Is it movement in the antenna wire itself? Or is it an effect of the air/moisture,temp. change passing over the coil? Sorry if this was already answered but I missed Rik's post. I will need to read it tonight when I get home from work. My question all stem from the root question of is it possible to build a small multiturn loop, say 3 meters on a side, that would radiate reasonable well if it were elevated from the ground, and out in the open with no trees. Also if great care was taken in the design to eliminate losses. Thus the litz wire questions etc. I want to persue this type of antenna within the confines of the 1 watt limit we have here in the state Best DX so far was with 80 milliwatts into the antenna is 120 miles using QRSS 60 Still a good 10 db down from the legal limit. Thank you Mal and all ----- Original Message ----- From: "gii3kev" To: "rsgb rsgb" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: LF: LITZ WIRE > Rik gave a good description of Litz wire in a recent message and the hi > Q qualities and theory is correct, however in practical terms it depends > whether you really need a hi Q coil or not. > My experience shows- > > 1. A loading coil used to resonate a 136 khz antenna using normal 2.5 mm > insulated wire has a lower Q than Litz but more stable and less prone to > seasonal changes like, rain, sunshine, leaves on or off trees, wind > blowing the antenna wires about etc ie needs no retuning once set up for > optimum matching for a long period of time. > > 2. A loading coil of the same inductance wound with 4mm litz wire > behaves differently. Because of the much higher Q the slightest breeze > or some rain and it needs retuning to resonance, also sudden > fluctuations are not good for the FET pa. It needs to be watched > carefully. > So it depends whether you want the last drop of RF and hi Q or a > fraction less RF and less trouble. > I cannot notice any real difference as regards radiating efficiency > between the two coils. > Anyone using 160 metres /M with the usual 8 ft loaded whip will have > noticed this when passing close to other vehicles or close to trees etc > and the higher the coil Q the worse it got. > I am currently experimenting with a 0.4 mh litz wound coil to resonate > my LF antenna and find it hard to keep spot on resonance with the recent > windy conditions. I did not have any problems in similar wx conditions > using 2.5mm insulated wire for the coil of the same inductance. > My system is all matched to 50 ohms and the swr monitored continuously > when transmitting so any fluctuations or changes are immediately > noticed. > I thing a loop antenna wound with litz wire and exposed to the elements > would be even harder > to keep resonant because of the Q factor. > It would be interesting to hear others observations about Litz v Normal > insulated wire for outside resonating coils. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10131 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 13:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 13:53:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21003 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 13:53:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 13:53:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adIo-0000bA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adIn-0000b5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:48:57 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-98.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.98] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ad6h-00017E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:36:28 +0000 Message-ID: <3C691C9E.61A8BCA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:46:06 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: LITZ WIRE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rik gave a good description of Litz wire in a recent message and the hi Q qualities and theory is correct, however in practical terms it depends whether you really need a hi Q coil or not. My experience shows- 1. A loading coil used to resonate a 136 khz antenna using normal 2.5 mm insulated wire has a lower Q than Litz but more stable and less prone to seasonal changes like, rain, sunshine, leaves on or off trees, wind blowing the antenna wires about etc ie needs no retuning once set up for optimum matching for a long period of time. 2. A loading coil of the same inductance wound with 4mm litz wire behaves differently. Because of the much higher Q the slightest breeze or some rain and it needs retuning to resonance, also sudden fluctuations are not good for the FET pa. It needs to be watched carefully. So it depends whether you want the last drop of RF and hi Q or a fraction less RF and less trouble. I cannot notice any real difference as regards radiating efficiency between the two coils. Anyone using 160 metres /M with the usual 8 ft loaded whip will have noticed this when passing close to other vehicles or close to trees etc and the higher the coil Q the worse it got. I am currently experimenting with a 0.4 mh litz wound coil to resonate my LF antenna and find it hard to keep spot on resonance with the recent windy conditions. I did not have any problems in similar wx conditions using 2.5mm insulated wire for the coil of the same inductance. My system is all matched to 50 ohms and the swr monitored continuously when transmitting so any fluctuations or changes are immediately noticed. I thing a loop antenna wound with litz wire and exposed to the elements would be even harder to keep resonant because of the Q factor. It would be interesting to hear others observations about Litz v Normal insulated wire for outside resonating coils. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9381 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 13:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 13:41:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 25439 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 13:41:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 13:41:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ad79-0000ZX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:36:55 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ad78-0000ZS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:36:54 +0000 Received: from host213-1-65-101.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.65.101] helo=dave) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16ad6J-0007l1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:36:04 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c1b3ca$46625660$654101d5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" References: <3.0.1.16.20020212094812.2d07f0e6@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Subject: Re: LF: Loop questions Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:35:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC ON7YD wrote: >The result is that in most cases (and for dimensions that are >practical for hams) the efficiency of a short vertical will be a lot better >than from a loop with similar dimensions. Only those who suffer from >extreme environemental losses might be better off with a loop. There is always the exception to this rule. I have recently done extensive tests with a vertical against my loop (see http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk/vertical.htm. In my case performance of a vertical is in most cases inferior to the loop. A transmitting loop is a very viable antenna for many amateurs, but it must be done properly - no 1m square things with thin wire. The thing which has slowed down its use is this sort of negative reaction. Someone with more real estate could construct a loop working far better than the one I have - same policy as with verticals, make it big, make it of thick wire etc. I shall probably take down my vertical shortly and restore it to an hf Butternut, it certainly doesn't work at this QTH and the current level of activity on the band hardly justifies it. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22223 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 12:57:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 12:57:42 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 16546 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 12:57:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 12:57:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16acLT-0000Q1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:47:39 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16acLS-0000Pw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:47:38 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id MAA31506; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:57:12 GMT Received: (qmail 9415 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 13:34:35 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 13:34:35 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id NAA15726; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:01:51 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma015708; Tue, 12 Feb 02 13:01:32 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:54:01 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1X4YCDTD>; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:46:24 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99B8@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: "LF Group \(E-mail\)" , "PLX \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: GPS Locked PSK Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:46:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I am now in a position to transmit GPS locked and timed PSK signals using the high power transmitter giving around 100mW ERP - at least it should be that power when the weather eventually stops raining. A lower power Tx is also available for microwatt ERP levels. Software driving the DDS module can generate any of these types of PSK data : Pure binary code, specified as Hex or by its 1/0 sequence. ASCII - non differentially coded in the Varicode alphabet as used for PSK31. As above, but differentially coded to remove the phase ambiguity but giving 2* error rate. CW representation, where key down = 0 deg, key up = 180 deg - Ideal for visual decoding on a time / phase plot but less efficient than varicode. Data rate can have any bit period that is an exact multiple of one second, and timed to UTC pulses. For decoding purposes it may be convenient to define a time reference, such as the hour, where the data sequence starts; and also to define the start polarity at that point. Frequency using the GPS locked reference can be any exact multiple of 1/1024 Hz (so all 1Hz values are possible) but could have up to 20 degrees of phase jitter on it over a period of a few seconds. The effect of this is to give 1Hz sidebands at a level of -40dB. A more short term stable source can generate Caesium, MSF or TV sync locked frequencies that are based on 6.5536 MHz / 2^32, so exact Hz multiples are available every 25Hz. I prefer not to have the Cs tube runing for extended periods as it has got to last a lifetime and I don't know how many hours are left in the tube. So if anyone is ready with vectorscopes, PSK demodulators etc......... Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11695 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 11:18:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 11:18:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19825 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 11:18:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 11:18:34 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aauQ-0000DV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:15:38 +0000 Received: from gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aauP-0000DQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:15:37 +0000 Received: from sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk (ddmailgate.rd.bbc.co.uk [132.185.128.104]) by gateg.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1CBEgq20010 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:14:43 GMT Received: from pc523 by sunf0.rd.bbc.co.uk; Tue, 12 Feb 02 11:14:39 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020212111438.01107c10@pop3> X-Sender: simonlh@pop3 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:14:38 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Simon Lloyd-Hughes" Subject: Re: LF: RSGB Web site. - off topic In-reply-to: <153.8b59df5.29993b00@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: How about contacting the web master at RSGB HQ? Brandon the IT manager should be able to help.

At 10:19 11/02/02 EST, you wrote:
>>>>
Hello.

Sorry for the off topic message.

I was trying to set up a web site for my local club, using webspace at the RSGB.

Despite looking for abt 30 mins I couldn't locate any information on how to set up a 'name' and upload the HTML.

Has anyone done this?
Does anyone know the procedure or the relevant 'help' file?

Thanks

David G0MRF
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10581 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 10:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 10:33:20 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 27339 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 10:33:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 10:33:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aaAV-00005M-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:28:11 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aaAT-00005H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:28:10 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id KAA23643; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:37:39 GMT Received: (qmail 2984 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 11:15:03 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 11:15:03 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id KAA07199; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:42:20 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma007172; Tue, 12 Feb 02 10:42:16 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:34:46 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1X4YCB2D>; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:27:09 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99B7@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: RSGB Web site. - off topic Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:27:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: The users of callsign@thersgb.net have some webspace available to them. Didn't Mike G3XDV use this facility ? Contact RSGB HQ - the IT manager should be able to set you up with your allocation Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sergeant [mailto:dsergeant@connectfree.co.uk] Sent: 12 February 2002 09:06 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RSGB Web site. - off topic G0MRF wrote: >I was trying to set up a web site for my local club, using webspace at the RSGB. I was not aware that the RSGB offered web space to members. Most providers however require you to upload via ftp - you can do this with IE or other browsers (even Opera), but best to use a dedicated package (I recommend Cupertino from http://www.bigfoot.com/~CupertinoFTP) To do this you will need to know the address of the ftp site and of course your username and password, which only the RSGB or its provider can supply, who will also tell you the address name of the site (usually username.index.htm as the entry page) If you wish to get a domain name for your club, you need to do this with one of the various providers, who will set up a rerouting service to the host provider - eg we have www.g4bra.org.uk which is actually hosted elsewhere. Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1042 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 10:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 10:14:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 3032 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 10:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 10:14:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aZtS-00002B-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:10:34 +0000 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.173]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aZtR-000026-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:10:33 +0000 Received: from modem-113.balrog.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.132.113] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16aZsb-0003nm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:09:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c1b3ad$88419cc0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. Just a noise line I assume. Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:09:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mike,
Well I guess you are right, but I did not think that there was a Loran line right on my freq. (your line is not noise) There is one just below me at about 135,920.5Hz
so its probably this you are seeing.I dont see much freq. shift on the trace either
I was using 0.25Hz shift.So I guess its got to be Loran, if its still there when I am not on thats the proof.Hi! I think your loops OK at least its picking up Loran and noise,rather a lot of noise ! Can you re-locate it in a quiet place looks like mains bourne noise to me. ( I use a similar loop).
I don't know what has happened to T/A propagation this year we seem to have had a very long run of dismal conditions,so don't despair perhaps things will pick up. I
will transmit again when it looks more promising. Thanks for looking and best of luck. 73s Laurie.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5211 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 09:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 09:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 623 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 09:44:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 09:44:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aZPV-0008Ok-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:39:37 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aZPT-0008OY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:39:35 +0000 Received: from host213-1-65-133.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.65.133] helo=dave) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16aZOe-0003ir-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:38:44 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c1b3a9$20325920$854101d5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <120.b40e402.299996b0@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: Loop questions Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:56:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC Clearly the use of large transmitting loops is outside the terms of the lowfer licence in the US. However use of a receive type loop with many turns of thinish wire (litz or not) for transmitting is not the way to go. To get a signal in the air requires a large single (or at most two) turn loop with thick wire. I have used this technique to some success on 136 as many of you will know, and my website details my experiences. The aim is the same as with any transmit antenna - to get the resistive losses as low as possible related to the radiation resistance. For this I use 30A speaker cable and the resistance of my 33m circumference single turn loop is 0.65 ohms. Loop current has been measured as 8A at 35W, they are not high impedance devices! And matching to the feeder must be at the feedpoint to eliminate resistive losses in the feeder which will be very significant. See my site for more details. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2489 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 09:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 09:43:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 29099 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 09:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 09:43:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aZPX-0008Om-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:39:39 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aZPT-0008OZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:39:36 +0000 Received: from host213-1-65-133.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.65.133] helo=dave) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16aZOf-0003ir-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:38:46 +0000 Message-ID: <002201c1b3a9$20f29be0$854101d5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <153.8b59df5.29993b00@aol.com> Subject: LF: Re: RSGB Web site. - off topic Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:06:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G0MRF wrote: >I was trying to set up a web site for my local club, using webspace at the RSGB. I was not aware that the RSGB offered web space to members. Most providers however require you to upload via ftp - you can do this with IE or other browsers (even Opera), but best to use a dedicated package (I recommend Cupertino from http://www.bigfoot.com/~CupertinoFTP) To do this you will need to know the address of the ftp site and of course your username and password, which only the RSGB or its provider can supply, who will also tell you the address name of the site (usually username.index.htm as the entry page) If you wish to get a domain name for your club, you need to do this with one of the various providers, who will set up a rerouting service to the host provider - eg we have www.g4bra.org.uk which is actually hosted elsewhere. Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13280 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 08:56:52 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 08:56:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26572 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 08:56:53 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 08:56:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aYgp-0008ES-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:53:27 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aYgo-0008EN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:53:26 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g1C8q5lZ196118 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:52:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020212094812.2d07f0e6@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:48:12 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Loop questions In-reply-to: <003b01c1b32f$42b24a20$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >Here are my questions. > >1) Does this "high impedance antenna?" suffer from the same problems as a >high "Q" vertical such as absorption from trees, ground etc? So that >removing it from this environment might increase signal strength? A loop antenna is a 'magnetic' antenna, it creates a strong local magnetic field, while the electric field is build up 'on the fly'. Opposite to that a vertical is an 'electric' antenna that creates a strong local electric field while the magnetic field is built up on the fly. It seems that the electric field suffers more from the local (dielectric) losses in soil, trees, buildings etc. than the magnetic field (permeability losses). But a loop antenna will suffer much more from the loss within the antenna (copper loss) as the currents will be much higher than in an electric antenna. The result is that in most cases (and for dimensions that are practical for hams) the efficiency of a short vertical will be a lot better than from a loop with similar dimensions. Only those who suffer from extreme environemental losses might be better off with a loop. >2) Would I benefit from using Litz wire? I have a quantity of 45/#36 litz >that I could rewind the loop with? Yes, litz wire will reduce the losses in the loop, this increasing efficiency. >3) Does higher "Q" neccessarily mean more radiated signal? Yes, as Q increasing Q will decrease losses. >4) In most cases I don't belive we want the coil to radiate but in this case >I wasnt to increase it. Any ideas on how to do that? Anything radiates (even a wet string). It is just a matter how well (efficient) it radiates, the larger the loop (coil) the better it will radiate (assuming it is not screened). In most electronic design we want a coil not to radiate, so we try to keep dimensions small or use other 'tricks' such as toroid coils to keep radiation low. Some more remarks : - Even more efficient than using litz wire might be to increase the dimensions if the loop. Remember that the radiation resistance of a loop will increase with the square of the loop area, so make the loop as big as possible. - It doesn't matter (for efficiency) if you use a single turn loop or a multi-turn loop, as long as you use the same ammount of wire. This means that a 10 turn loop will have the same efficiency than a 1 turn loop using 10 parallel wires. To minimize stay capacitance (between the turns) it might be even better to use parallel wires. - You mention that you feed your loop using a 110m long network cable. It wouldn't surpise me if this cable makes a significant contribution to the radiation, in particular if matching is not perfect. 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3073 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 08:34:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 08:34:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11682 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 08:34:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 08:34:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aYHy-0008AB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:27:46 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aYHx-0008A6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:27:45 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g1C8QNlZ292084 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:26:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020212092231.2d07668a@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:22:31 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Need info on Litz wire In-reply-to: <004101c1b32f$f758a0a0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >Could some please point me to a good explanation of how litz wire works? As frequency rises the current through a wire tends to flow only close to the surface, the so called skin-effect. On 136kHz the skin-depht is about 0.17mm (for copper-wire), so for any wire thicker than 0.35mm there will flow little or no current in the centre of a the wire. For that reason it is much better to use a number of thin wires in parallel instead on a single thick wire. Litz wire contains a number of thin wires that are isolated from each other, reducing the skin-effect and thus allowing to construct high-Q coils with a relative small diameter wire. If you want to know more or learn about the specifications have a look at : http://www.wiretron.com/litz.html 73, Rik ON7YD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22727 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 23:51:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 23:51:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 28945 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 23:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 23:51:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aQ9m-00075j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:46:46 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aQ9l-00075e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:46:45 +0000 Received: from rescueelect (240.132.252.64.snet.net [64.252.132.240] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1BNiT0H028981 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul A. Cianciolo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Loop questions Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:52:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <120.b40e402.299996b0@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John, Thanks for responding to query. I would like to discuss further a few points. 1)" A series-resonated loop is not a high-impedance antenna." I guess I am misunderstanding The RJELOOP program. The program predicts that the loop impedance will be 1580K ohms and the 1 turn loop(my feed point) is 1.8 K ohms at resonant frequency. Am I missing something? Bill's (WA) loop is 50' on a side using 1 turn. Mine is 7' on a side using 30 turns. What did I forget her John? 2)"Area enclosed by the loop is the key. But in this case, Paul, I believe you may be asking the wrong question. DO you really want to do that? If you're planning to put the transmitter at the loop, fine. But remember that the regulations under which we work here currently limit us to a total antenna of 15 meters--INCLUDING transmission line, which in your current setup is already 110m." I agree that I am out of compliance with the 110 meters of transmission line feeding the antenna. When fully implemented however this feed line will supply only the drive to the 1 watt input final. Did you make your above comments because you think that he feed line may be radiating? A test was preformed with W1VD at the receive end and the loop has a front to side ratio of approx of 22db Not optimum for sure but I don't think the feed line is radiating all that much. Another test performed was to mistune the antenna and record results using a HP Selective Voltmeter. Out of resonance the RX sig dropped in excess of 40 DB So I guess I would Yes I do want the loop to radiate. Thanks you and anxiously awaiting yours and any other comments on this post Paul Paulc W1VLF This Email was brought to you by a completely solar powered home network. Cloudbounce Webpage http://www.qsl.net/w1vlf/ GE Electrak E20 and E15 electric tractors Air Rifle Target Shooting Enthusiast -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of WarmSpgs@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:51 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Loop questions In a message dated 2/11/02 2:09:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulc@snet.net writes: << Here are my questions. 1) Does this "high impedance antenna?" suffer from the same problems as a high "Q" vertical such as absorption from trees, ground etc? So that removing it from this environment might increase signal strength? >> A series-resonated loop is not a high-impedance antenna. As should be clear from Bill Ashlock's experiments, transmitting loops are less immediately affected by some aspects of their environment; but they are affected by close proximity to any somewhat conductive surface, as you found out by raising your loop above ground. << 2) Would I benefit from using Litz wire? >> Maybe. << 3) Does higher "Q" neccessarily mean more radiated signal? >> Not absolutely, but it does indicate reduced losses, which is generally more conducive to radiated signal strength. << 4) In most cases I don't belive we want the coil to radiate but in this case I want to increase it. Any ideas on how to do that? >> Area enclosed by the loop is the key. But in this case, Paul, I believe you may be asking the wrong question. DO you really want to do that? If you're planning to put the transmitter at the loop, fine. But remember that the regulations under which we work here currently limit us to a total antenna of 15 meters--INCLUDING transmission line, which in your current setup is already 110m. 73, John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14985 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 23:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 23:29:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 4688 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 23:29:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 23:29:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aPrE-00072I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:27:36 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aPrD-00072D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:27:35 +0000 Received: from rescueelect (240.132.252.64.snet.net [64.252.132.240] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1BNPH0H016834 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:25:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Paul A. Cianciolo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: Re LF: Need info on Litz wire Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:33:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <163.8a414e8.2999a0ad@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mike, Thanks for the sites. This exactly the information I was looking for I really appreciate it!! Paulc W1VLF This Email was brought to you by a completely solar powered home network. Cloudbounce Webpage http://www.qsl.net/w1vlf/ GE Electrak E20 and E15 electric tractors Air Rifle Target Shooting Enthusiast -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of Carmelink@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 5:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re LF: Need info on Litz wire A vendor's site has Litz wire data tables, and a brief explanation: http://www.mwswire.com/litzmain.htm For more than I ever wanted to know on the subject, there is a technical paper "Optimal Choice for Number of Strands In a Litz-Wire Transformer Winding" at http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/litzwire/litz.html Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1517 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 22:39:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 22:39:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23963 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 22:39:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 22:39:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aP1b-0006tk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:34:15 +0000 Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aP1a-0006tf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:34:14 +0000 Received: from Carmelink@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.163.8a414e8 (15881) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID78-0211173317; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:33:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:33:16 EST From: Carmelink@aol.com Subject: Re LF: Need info on Litz wire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <163.8a414e8.2999a0ad@aol.com> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: A vendor's site has Litz wire data tables, and a brief explanation: http://www.mwswire.com/litzmain.htm For more than I ever wanted to know on the subject, there is a technical paper "Optimal Choice for Number of Strands In a Litz-Wire Transformer Winding" at http://www.dartmouth.edu/~sullivan/litzwire/litz.html Mike W2AG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24462 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 21:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 21:54:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27641 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 21:54:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 21:54:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aOMy-0006my-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:52:16 +0000 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aOMx-0006mt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:52:15 +0000 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.120.b40e402 (3312) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:50:40 -0500 (EST) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <120.b40e402.299996b0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:50:40 EST Subject: Re: LF: Loop questions To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In a message dated 2/11/02 2:09:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulc@snet.net writes: << Here are my questions. 1) Does this "high impedance antenna?" suffer from the same problems as a high "Q" vertical such as absorption from trees, ground etc? So that removing it from this environment might increase signal strength? >> A series-resonated loop is not a high-impedance antenna. As should be clear from Bill Ashlock's experiments, transmitting loops are less immediately affected by some aspects of their environment; but they are affected by close proximity to any somewhat conductive surface, as you found out by raising your loop above ground. << 2) Would I benefit from using Litz wire? >> Maybe. << 3) Does higher "Q" neccessarily mean more radiated signal? >> Not absolutely, but it does indicate reduced losses, which is generally more conducive to radiated signal strength. << 4) In most cases I don't belive we want the coil to radiate but in this case I want to increase it. Any ideas on how to do that? >> Area enclosed by the loop is the key. But in this case, Paul, I believe you may be asking the wrong question. DO you really want to do that? If you're planning to put the transmitter at the loop, fine. But remember that the regulations under which we work here currently limit us to a total antenna of 15 meters--INCLUDING transmission line, which in your current setup is already 110m. 73, John From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13746 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 21:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 21:33:12 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20270 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 21:33:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 21:33:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aO2s-0006jv-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:31:30 +0000 Received: from out4.prserv.net ([32.97.166.34] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aO2r-0006jq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:31:29 +0000 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-102-157-222.md.us.prserv.net[32.102.157.222]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2002021121303120403n8spfe>; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:30:33 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6831DD.9CF8A473@ieee.org> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:04:29 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Need info on Litz wire References: <004101c1b32f$f758a0a0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: PC wrote: > Could some please point me to a good explanation of how litz wire works? Langford_Smith "RadioDesigner's Handbook", (LOndon, Iliffe,1957) page 466. If you cannot find it, I can scan the page and send it to those who want it. 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20713 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 21:08:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 21:08:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 22753 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 21:08:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 21:08:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aNe5-0006gF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:05:53 +0000 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.212]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aNe4-0006gA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:05:52 +0000 Received: from modem-120.orange-tail-butterfly.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.43.248] helo=g3aqc) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16aNdC-0001vr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:04:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1b33f$e7be3b40$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: T/A Condx. Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:05:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Conditions appear good on 80m tonight, so I will transmit for about two hours 
starting 2230 utc. 30sec DFCW on 135,921.5.    73s Laurie. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29735 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 19:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 19:13:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 26193 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 19:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 19:13:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aLrs-0006RP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:12:00 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aLrr-0006RJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:11:59 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1BJ9j0G004901 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:09:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004101c1b32f$f758a0a0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Need info on Litz wire Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:11:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Could some please point me to a good explanation of how litz wire works? I realize that it is more efficient at LF because of the larger surface area but I am trying to understand the relationship between "Q" DC losses in antenna, AC losses, and radiated power. In the RSGB LF Handbook I see mention of coils of between 1000 and 3000 I believe this was in referece to loading coils Thank you Paul W1VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20726 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 19:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 19:09:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 22218 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 19:09:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 19:09:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aLn1-0006QB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:06:59 +0000 Received: from mta1.snet.net ([204.60.203.70]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aLn0-0006Q5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:06:58 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta1.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g1BJ4d0G002563 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:04:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003b01c1b32f$42b24a20$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loop questions Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:06:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Folks, I have a couple of questions pertaining to Litz wire and my loop. For receive in the LF bands I am currently using a loop that is 2.2 meters on a side and wound with #16 wire 30 turns to be exact with a spacing of about 12mm.. That along with about 100 pF allow the loop to resonate at approx. 180 Khz. The loop is excited by 1 turn of the same size wire. I decided 1 day to try and transmit into this loop and found that with .5 mW at 5 KM there was an easily copied signal at QRSS30. This loop is fed using about 110 meters of category 5 balanced 100 ohm computer networking cable, and a 16 to 1 transformer (located in the house) to approximately match the 75 ohm transmitter. This loop was about 300mm above the ground. I raised the loop to about 1 meter above the ground and the tuning was sharper and the signal strength was slightly stronger. The loop is 110 meters distant in the woods surrounded by trees. (No leaves now) Here are my questions. 1) Does this "high impedance antenna?" suffer from the same problems as a high "Q" vertical such as absorption from trees, ground etc? So that removing it from this environment might increase signal strength? 2) Would I benefit from using Litz wire? I have a quantity of 45/#36 litz that I could rewind the loop with? 3) Does higher "Q" neccessarily mean more radiated signal? 4) In most cases I don't belive we want the coil to radiate but in this case I wasnt to increase it. Any ideas on how to do that? Any help would be appreciated Thank you Paul W1VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5518 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 18:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 18:27:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6209 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 18:27:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 18:27:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aL7P-0006I4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:23:59 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aL7N-0006Hz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:23:58 +0000 Received: from ldsas14-78-129-235.cw-visp.com ([212.137.129.235] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aKvH-0005Dk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:11:28 +0000 Message-ID: <3C67F5EE.1E412AE0@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:48:46 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit  

Giulio Scaroni wrote:

Hi to all,saturday i have tested the our contest station in Mantova city in LF, and qso with G in aural CW seems not a problem with a 80 meters long vertical wire, slooping from the top of the tower, with 150 watts.But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top?The tower is exatly 80 meters long, with a base of 8x8 meters,

That is the type of tower that I am looking for Guilio, you should have an outstanding signal on LF with a good antenna attached to your tower. Since your tower is grounded I would use it as a support only for some inv L antennas displaced around the top of the tower and insulated from it, all vertical drop wires converging at the bottom to a loading/matching coil.
Another suggestion, use the tower again as a support for a T antenna with each horiz section as long as possible but do not let the ends get too close to ground and use a number of horiz wires if necessary all insulated from the top of the tower, with one vert drop wire.
I use the inv L configuration and it works well for me.
With a tower insulated from ground the story would be different, base fed with several horizontal long wires connected to the top of the tower, however the conductivity of the tower might be poor and lossy, the inv L
system might be the best approach.
Hope you find the info useful and thanks for the 579 report on 136 khz that you sent me last week.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

and at 70 meters is 1x1 meters, and at 80 meters is 0.5x0.5 meters, so big antenna with big capacitance to ground, i think is a smaller version of Decca insulated tower, but this one is grounded.Any idea??The picture is at this site http://www.as.net/~kn6dv/ik2ded/ik2ded.html 73 to all de Giulio IK2DED.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4667 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 18:24:31 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 18:24:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 1811 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 18:24:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 18:24:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aL4Z-0006Hg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:21:03 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aL4Y-0006Hb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:21:02 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16aL3c-00002z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:20:04 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16aL3b-0005pa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:20:03 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020211163816.00aa4380@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:17:22 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Last Weekend MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Had a spectacularly unsuccessful weekend on LF - most of the time there were very high levels of QRM at my location, and when this had died down a bit, everybody seemed to go QRT... I did hear IK2DED and IK5ZPV on Saturday, both of whom were good copy with 549 signals for a while. In contrast, 73kHz was very quiet, with just a bit of Loran - no 73.25kHz signal all weekend. Interesting to see people are trying out the low-speed PSK modulation; I can generate PSK02 or PSK08 using DL4YHF's software if anyone would like a test signal; not so sure if I will be able to receive anything if the QRM is still there, though! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3590 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 16:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 16:31:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12473 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 16:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 16:30:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aJ9D-0005xp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:17:43 +0000 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aJ9C-0005xk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:17:42 +0000 Received: from westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.140.22]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA59640 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:13:40 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by westrelay01.boulder.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO/VER6.00) with ESMTP id g1BGGml37446 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3C67EE4C.41F71C30@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:16:12 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RSGB Web site. - off topic References: <153.8b59df5.29993b00@aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G0MRF@aol.com wrote:
Despite looking for abt 30 mins I couldn't locate any information on how to set up a 'name' and upload the HTML.
 
Dave,
    don't exactly know what you mean with 'setting up a name'.
If you intend to assign a name to the IP address that the RSGB website manager gave you,
this is what normally is referred to as a 'domain'. Let's do an example. My site is
http://www.weaksignals.com     The domain name is 'weaksignals.com'
To have a domain registered, you must take advantage of the services of an official
domain registrar. One of the cheapest (but with good service) I have found is
http://www.godaddy.com   If you are content of a domain name ending in  .com,
the current price is around 9 USD per year. For  .co.uk  names, prices are higher
and I am not sure godaddy can register them (but you can easily check).
Another well renown registrar is  http://www.register.com but it is more expensive.

In both web sites you will find a lot of information and explanations about the whole
procedure.

Hope this is what you were looking for.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
  From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29885 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 15:24:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 15:24:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11033 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 15:24:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 15:24:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aIFo-0005pL-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:20:28 +0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aIFm-0005pG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:20:27 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.153.8b59df5 (4232) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <153.8b59df5.29993b00@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:19:28 EST Subject: LF: RSGB Web site. - off topic To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello.

Sorry for the off topic message.

I was trying to set up a web site for my local club, using webspace at the RSGB.

Despite looking for abt 30 mins I couldn't locate any information on how to set up a 'name' and upload the HTML.

Has anyone done this?
Does anyone know the procedure or the relevant 'help' file?

Thanks

David  G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2348 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 15:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 15:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19920 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 15:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 15:05:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aHx5-0005kV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:01:07 +0000 Received: from excalibur.skynet.be ([195.238.3.135]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aHx4-0005jB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:01:06 +0000 Received: from mh70i ([62.4.218.104]) by excalibur.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.16) with SMTP id g1BExg814160 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:59:43 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <000b01c1b30d$04e444e0$68da043e@mh70i> From: "DE BONDT WERNER" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Callsign error Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:01:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

To all
 
In Re: Vertical grounded tower .
My mistake on callsign of Dave . Must be G3YXM not G6 , sorry.
Just in case one do not know DAVE !!!
 
73 Werner ON6ND
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24150 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 14:46:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 14:46:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2800 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 14:46:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 14:46:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aHfa-0005ef-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:43:02 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aHfZ-0005ea-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:43:01 +0000 Received: from ldsas18-82-133-19.cw-visp.com ([212.137.133.19] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16aHTU-0003mQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:30:32 +0000 Message-ID: <3C67D6B2.94C9AC86@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:35:30 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: W/End Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Things are looking up at weekends on 136 khz, lots of acty, all modes. Had a QSO with DJ1YFK with his micro power on QRS. IK5ZPV was about quite a lot but did not hear anyone call/work him, he was calling CQ a lot. Wx still windy but bright sunshine at present. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29262 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 14:41:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 14:41:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24393 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 14:40:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 14:40:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aHZh-0005dH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:36:57 +0000 Received: from durendal.skynet.be ([195.238.3.128]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aHZg-0005dC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:36:56 +0000 Received: from mh70i ([62.4.218.62]) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.16) with SMTP id g1BEYIg18134 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:34:18 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <000b01c1b309$784749e0$3eda043e@mh70i> From: "DE BONDT WERNER" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> Subject: LF: Re: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Giulio and other LW fers , just idea
 
Bring 4 good ceramic insulators on top of the mast and make a cage of abt 1mx1m and 5-6 meters high
on the insulators . And from there come down with the slooper in the shack , with 80 meter wire and this top-cap
the coil will be abt 2 - 3 mH . Look on the pictures gallery of Dave G6YXM to see my antenna 24 meter high.
My top-cap is abt 500 pf the cage is 2 meter diameter and 13 meter high , the shack is 24 meter from the mast.
I have 5-5-9 from IK5ZPV with 150 Watts.
 
success from Werner ON6ND
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:49 AM
Subject: LF: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna.

Hi to all,
saturday i have tested the our contest station in Mantova city in LF, and qso with G in aural CW seems not a problem with a 80 meters long vertical wire, slooping from the top of the tower, with 150 watts.
But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top?
The tower is exatly 80 meters long, with a base of 8x8 meters, and at 70 meters is 1x1 meters, and at 80 meters is 0.5x0.5 meters, so big antenna with big capacitance to ground, i think is a smaller version of Decca insulated tower, but this one is grounded.
Any idea??
 
73 to all de Giulio IK2DED.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19081 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 12:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 12:45:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22745 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 12:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 12:45:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aFnE-0005MW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:42:48 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aFnC-0005MR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:42:47 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA109412 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:37:05 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss4.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.69]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO/VER6.00) with ESMTP id g1BCfqP187936 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:41:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C67BBEC.852B5AA4@usa.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:41:16 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Jason: 65 channels? References: <93.17cd74f6.2995bcec@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > G'day Alberto, Steve and all, > > its great to see the concept of FDK and its friendly implementation in > Jason. But, one question came to my mind: Instead of using a 4-bit pair for > each 6 bit character, why not take it all the way and transmit 6 bits at > once? Of course, this would mean 65 frequencies instead of 17, four times the > bandwidth at first glance. > > But then you could double the symbol duration and halve the FFT bin bandwidth > to 42 mHz, picking up some SNR on the way. Additionally, even with a Hamming > or Bartlett window, the noise in channels only two bins apart should have no > significant correlation. Thus the total occupied bandwidth would increase > from the current 4.12 Hz to no more than 5.42 Hz. > > What do you think? Hello Markus, I have been out of town for the weekend, so am able to answer only today. If I do correctly understand you, what you propose is to multiply by 4 the number of the signalling elements, halving at the same time their spacing and the baud rate, for an unchanged throughput in terms of bit/sec. This would led to a doubling of the bandwidth. Then you implicitly suggest a reduction of the number of bins between different elements from 3 to 2, thus gaining another 0.666... factor of reduction of the band, which would go from 4.12 to 4.12 * 2 * 0.6666... = 5.48 (roughly) Hz. Please correct me if I misunderstood you. I have one remark on this. Placing the signalling elements on alternate bins (spacing of two instead of three as in the present scheme), can cause uncertainty due both to the leakage intrinsic in the FFT process, and to possible instabilities of the Tx and/or the Rx. In other words, let's make a simple example. Let's number the bins 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 etc. Now, suppose I use the even numbered bins only. In the case I find a signal in bin number 5, should I consider it belonging actually to the signalling element of bin 4 or of bin 6 ?? There is no way to tell. Using three bins as spacing, as I do now, and keeping the previous example, the 'correct' bins are, suppose, the Nr. 1, 4, 7, 10, etc. If I find a signal in bin 5, I attribute it to bin 4, as I do for bin 3. So, bin 6, 7, 8 are all 'belonging' to bin 7, and so on. In this way I have more chances to keep the signalling elements orthogonal, as is required for a correct MFSK uncoherent decoding. So, to sum up, I would tend to discard the proposal of reducing the bin spacing. What remains is the proposal of doubling the bandwidth in exchange for the possibility of keeping unchanged the throughput while at the same time increasing the S/N ratio. It can be done, but I would like to know also what the general consensus is on this, and any possible comments from the other LFers. TNX. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18644 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 12:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 12:24:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 9357 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 12:24:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 12:24:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aFO6-0005IG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:16:50 +0000 Received: from www.gardaol.com ([195.223.232.51] helo=netregister.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aFO5-0005IB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:16:49 +0000 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia11.phoenix.it [213.82.97.75]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g1BCFvW22933 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:15:57 +0100 Message-ID: <002401c19a39$132093c0$4b6152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D698BC@btss103a.swh.sk> Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: 136 DX Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:44:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
 
Hi Giulio...
 
    The station you listen on 136.7 calling you, was Gyuri HA6PC.
 
73 de Rich OM2TW 
 
 
 
Hi Rich,
tnx for info..
I have called you 3/4 days ago on 137.7 and also yesterday evening, but no answer, your signal in qrss is good OOO here.
I will be also this evening at 137.7 at 21 Z.
73 de Giulio Ik2DED.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3648 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 10:39:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 10:39:06 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2973 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 10:10:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 10:10:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aDJr-0004xK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:04:19 +0000 Received: from siaag2ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aDJo-0004xF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:04:17 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id FAA27297 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:02:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:01:28 -0500 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: DN1VLF loc. ? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202110501_MC3-F188-9D22@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rich, Klaus, DN1VLF is located in Berlin, JO62QL. Best 73 Geri From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18179 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 08:53:57 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 08:53:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23838 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 08:53:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 08:53:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aCA2-0004l4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:50:06 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aC9y-0004kc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:50:03 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1B8n7u25822 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:49:07 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA01790 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:48:58 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:48:55 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D698BF@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: DN1VLF loc. ? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:48:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... Anybody knows locator of DN1VLF ? Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18484 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 07:48:48 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 07:48:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27608 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 07:48:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 07:48:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aB7E-0004bU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:43:08 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aB71-0004bK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:42:55 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1B7fou21555 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:41:50 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA26024 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:41:42 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D698BD@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: Weekend... Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:41:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... Nice weekend, I have worked again I5TGC (first time on DFCW) and DN1VLF for the first time ever. Sunday was a very high static noise level. Heard IK2DED, HA6PC, G3AQC, IK5ZPV, G3KEV and saw DF6NM and DK8KW. I spent a lot of time with the family... Have a nice day... 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22250 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 07:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 07:32:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16869 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 07:32:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 07:32:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aAq7-0004Yy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:25:27 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16aAq5-0004Yt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:25:26 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1B7OXu20761 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:24:33 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA24855 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:24:25 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:24:22 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E04D698BC@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Re: 136 DX Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:24:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Giulio...
 
    The station you listen on 136.7 calling you, was Gyuri HA6PC.
 
73 de Rich OM2TW 
-----Original Message-----
From: Giulio Scaroni [mailto:scaroni@phoenix.it]
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:22 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: 136 DX

Hello Laurie,
many thanks for first qso outside Italy in 136...
This morning io was in my contest station, licated in Porto Mantovano, 12 km north of the city of Mantova, the TX is 2 x IRF 640, running about 150 Watts output, feeding a vetrical wire long 80 meters, slooping down on a tall tower used here to rebroadcast TV station.
The antenna is in origin a 2 element slooping dipole for 160, so now the est slooping dipole is short circuit in feed point, and feeded at the base with about 2 mH coil.
Very nice condition this morning, but working only you, Cesare I5TGC, and listen someone calling me at 136.7, but at 136.6 there is a cw carrier, so asked to qsx at 137.00, but may i have generated some confusion!!
Now i'm came back to home with the tx in Brescia city.
Hope to work someone from here in qrss, beacouse the antenna here is only a vertical fisching roads on roof, hi hi.
73 to all from Italy de IK2DED Giulio.
 
 
Just had QSO with IK2DED Giulio on 136.65 very good signal,5/5/9 using 150W to 80m high Vert !!! He asked me to spot him on reflector.Now calling CQ.  73s Laurie. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8220 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 02:06:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 02:06:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3395 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 02:06:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 02:06:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a5oj-0003yV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:03:41 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a5oi-0003yQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:03:41 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:02:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3C672648.962835AC@att.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:02:48 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO still testing References: <004701c1b23f$de4da9c0$1700a8c0@home> <3C66EC65.ED5C067A@att.net> <007d01c1b28e$19a309e0$1700a8c0@home> <3C670E33.B8BD8572@att.net> <009001c1b292$fce32b00$1700a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: There are thunderstorms off the coast to my south east. Usually if QRN is a problem here the loran lines noise up but tonight the lines are solid. So it looks to me like poor LF TA propagation continues at my QTH. I will monitor any time I hear that someone is transmitting. If I'm not home I will set up for auto captures. Keep trying. Let's see who will break through. Dexter Dave Pick wrote: > > OK Dexter, looks like a blank. > > Everyone seems to have shut down now (00:30) > If you didn't see Laurie you wouldn't see anyone! > > Cheers > Dave > G3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29354 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 00:30:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 00:30:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 1712 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 00:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 00:30:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a4L6-0003mR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:29:00 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a4L5-0003mK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:28:59 +0000 Received: from host217-35-43-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.43.179] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16a4KE-0007TF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:28:06 +0000 Message-ID: <009001c1b292$fce32b00$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004701c1b23f$de4da9c0$1700a8c0@home> <3C66EC65.ED5C067A@att.net> <007d01c1b28e$19a309e0$1700a8c0@home> <3C670E33.B8BD8572@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO still testing Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:28:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: OK Dexter, looks like a blank. Everyone seems to have shut down now (00:30) If you didn't see Laurie you wouldn't see anyone! Cheers Dave G3YXM > Dave, > > Not seeing anyone. See what I am receiving at: > > http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/135kHz.jpg > > Dex > > Dave Pick wrote: > > > > Dexter. > > > > At present we have F6BWO on about 923.5, me in DFCW at 922.5 and G3AQC with > > a big DFCW signal at 921.5. > > > > 73 > > Dave > > G3YXM. > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > I have looked for every TA transmission that has been announced for the > > > past few weeks. I have seen no one. I will be watching the 135.921 to > > > 135.924 window tonight but I suspect QRN will be a problem here. > > > > > > Dexter > > > > > > > Dave Pick wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear trans-Atlantic listeners. > > > > > > > > Jeff F6BWO tells me he is still sending QRSS tests on 135.923 now from > > > > 2300 to 0000 utc. > > > > He has a new, more stable oscillator so is now able to send with > > > > longer 30 second dots. > > > > Is anyone else still sending? > > > > I could join in with a QRP test as a conditions indicator, say -6dB to > > > > -10dB on normal? > > > > I can't really send at full power because the antenna still needs > > > > sorting out. > > > > > > > > 73 > > > > Dave > > > > G3YXM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15611 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 00:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 00:22:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26136 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 00:22:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 00:22:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a4DI-0003ks-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:20:56 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a4DG-0003kc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:20:55 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3C670E33.B8BD8572@att.net> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:20:03 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO still testing References: <004701c1b23f$de4da9c0$1700a8c0@home> <3C66EC65.ED5C067A@att.net> <007d01c1b28e$19a309e0$1700a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave, Not seeing anyone. See what I am receiving at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/135kHz.jpg Dex Dave Pick wrote: > > Dexter. > > At present we have F6BWO on about 923.5, me in DFCW at 922.5 and G3AQC with > a big DFCW signal at 921.5. > > 73 > Dave > G3YXM. > > > Dave, > > > > I have looked for every TA transmission that has been announced for the > > past few weeks. I have seen no one. I will be watching the 135.921 to > > 135.924 window tonight but I suspect QRN will be a problem here. > > > > Dexter > > > > > Dave Pick wrote: > > > > > > Dear trans-Atlantic listeners. > > > > > > Jeff F6BWO tells me he is still sending QRSS tests on 135.923 now from > > > 2300 to 0000 utc. > > > He has a new, more stable oscillator so is now able to send with > > > longer 30 second dots. > > > Is anyone else still sending? > > > I could join in with a QRP test as a conditions indicator, say -6dB to > > > -10dB on normal? > > > I can't really send at full power because the antenna still needs > > > sorting out. > > > > > > 73 > > > Dave > > > G3YXM. > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 790 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 23:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 23:57:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 6759 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 23:57:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 23:57:03 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a3nC-0003bf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:53:58 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a3nB-0003ba-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:53:57 +0000 Received: from host217-35-43-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.43.179] helo=dellboy) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16a3mN-0004xQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:53:07 +0000 Message-ID: <007d01c1b28e$19a309e0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004701c1b23f$de4da9c0$1700a8c0@home> <3C66EC65.ED5C067A@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO still testing Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:53:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dexter. At present we have F6BWO on about 923.5, me in DFCW at 922.5 and G3AQC with a big DFCW signal at 921.5. 73 Dave G3YXM. > Dave, > > I have looked for every TA transmission that has been announced for the > past few weeks. I have seen no one. I will be watching the 135.921 to > 135.924 window tonight but I suspect QRN will be a problem here. > > Dexter > > > Dave Pick wrote: > > > > Dear trans-Atlantic listeners. > > > > Jeff F6BWO tells me he is still sending QRSS tests on 135.923 now from > > 2300 to 0000 utc. > > He has a new, more stable oscillator so is now able to send with > > longer 30 second dots. > > Is anyone else still sending? > > I could join in with a QRP test as a conditions indicator, say -6dB to > > -10dB on normal? > > I can't really send at full power because the antenna still needs > > sorting out. > > > > 73 > > Dave > > G3YXM. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24065 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 22:08:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 22:08:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8148 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 22:08:23 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 22:08:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a1xj-0003Nr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:56:43 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a1xi-0003Nm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:56:43 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:55:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3C66EC65.ED5C067A@att.net> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:55:49 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: F6BWO still testing References: <004701c1b23f$de4da9c0$1700a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave, I have looked for every TA transmission that has been announced for the past few weeks. I have seen no one. I will be watching the 135.921 to 135.924 window tonight but I suspect QRN will be a problem here. Dexter > Dave Pick wrote: > > Dear trans-Atlantic listeners. > > Jeff F6BWO tells me he is still sending QRSS tests on 135.923 now from > 2300 to 0000 utc. > He has a new, more stable oscillator so is now able to send with > longer 30 second dots. > Is anyone else still sending? > I could join in with a QRP test as a conditions indicator, say -6dB to > -10dB on normal? > I can't really send at full power because the antenna still needs > sorting out. > > 73 > Dave > G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15737 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 21:11:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 21:11:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11389 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 21:11:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 21:11:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a1DJ-0003Ga-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:08:45 +0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a1DI-0003GT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:08:44 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.108.d1d7431 (3990) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <108.d1d7431.29983b07@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:07:19 EST Subject: Re: LF: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Giulio, tnx for our little QRSS QSO yesterday night. In the beginning you were OO here, but after the exchange of reports I lost you completely, sri. Probably an extreme case of trans-alpine QSB? Hope to try again soon. > The tower is exatly 80 meters long, with a base of 8x8 meters, and at 70 > meters is 1x1 meters, and at 80 meters is 0.5x0.5 meters, so big antenna with > big capacitance to ground, i think is a smaller version of Decca insulated > tower, but this one is grounded. > Any idea?? > The picture is at this site http://www.as.net/~kn6dv/ik2ded/ik2ded.html Envy envy... that's the type of structure I'd like to have in the back garden ;-). How about three long wires sloping from the top, fed in parallel against the grounded mast? Cul de Markus, DF6NM in JN59NK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9894 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 20:55:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 20:55:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25524 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 20:55:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 20:55:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a0xG-0003Cg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:52:10 +0000 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.104]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a0xE-0003Cb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:52:09 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.6c.173f432c (3990) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:50:45 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.173f432c.29983724@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:50:44 EST Subject: Re: LF: DF6NM/DK8KW/PSK08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Wolf, Geri and Uwe, mni tnx for the interesting experimental QSOs today and for the report. > Wolf`s progr is ok so far; SpecLab is doing a splendid job here: it decodes PSK, while two different spectrogram displays are running simultaneously in the background, on a 233 MHz notebook! Here I had close to 100% copy of both stations in PSK08 as well as PSK31. Only the AFC function seems a bit too hot for the slow modes, but manual tuning circumvented that problem. While we all copied each other well in PSK31, both Wolf and Geri reported marginal receive results in PSK08. Geri consistently read something like "D8WFN" instead of "DK8KW DF6NM": there must be a funny bug, living somewhere in the ether and feeding on every second character... Later I set up SpecLab to transmit locally on my old 486DX66, with acoustic coupling to the notebook's mike, plus the usual band noise to the line input. It worked perfectly, even at the slowest possible setting of 0.5 baud. Which, SNR-wise, should roughly be equivalent to 8s-dots QRSS. > never heard Markus with such a weak signal. > Markus, I guess you did not risk using full PWR of your TX. Actually, I wasn't worried about the TX (running it's usual 130W PEP), but in the strong winds I just didn't dare to push up the antenna all the way. So the top wires were swinging wildly only 3 to 4 meters above the roof with it's aluminium diffusion-stop layer, radiating perhaps 6 or 8dB less than normal. And the wet weather losses don't help either. TU and all the best Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4848 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 20:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 20:38:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 7401 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 20:38:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 20:38:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a0fS-00039P-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:33:46 +0000 Received: from www.gardaol.com ([195.223.232.51] helo=netregister.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16a0fR-00039K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:33:45 +0000 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia06.phoenix.it [213.82.97.70]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g1AKXRM13385 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:33:27 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c19a31$655db6c0$466152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Vertical grounded tower for LF antenna. Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:49:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi to all,
saturday i have tested the our contest station in Mantova city in LF, and qso with G in aural CW seems not a problem with a 80 meters long vertical wire, slooping from the top of the tower, with 150 watts.
But wich may be the best sistem on this tower for LF, is possible to feed directly it, may be at the top?
The tower is exatly 80 meters long, with a base of 8x8 meters, and at 70 meters is 1x1 meters, and at 80 meters is 0.5x0.5 meters, so big antenna with big capacitance to ground, i think is a smaller version of Decca insulated tower, but this one is grounded.
Any idea??
 
73 to all de Giulio IK2DED.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28913 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 18:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 18:44:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 12699 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 18:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 18:44:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Zysn-0002w2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:39:25 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Zysm-0002vx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:39:24 +0000 Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ZymR-0003B7-06; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:32:51 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.187]) by fwd04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16ZymK-1CJ3OSC; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:32:44 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020207142230.00aa5f48@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: DF6NM/DK8KW/PSK08 X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <16ZymK-1CJ3OSC@fwd04.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Markus, hi Holger (Geri), nice copy of Geri`s emission in 08- as well as 31-mode. Copy: PSK08: DF6NM DF6NM DK8KW DK8KW .. e irgewas stimmt da nicht PSK31: Jetzt ist es in PSK31 auch nur noch zu 6Ř-7Ř% lesbar e. Dann lassen wir Wolf erst noch mal an seinem Programm basteln..... Wolf`s progr is ok so far; never heard Markus with such a weak signal. Markus, I guess you did not risk using full PWR of your TX. regards Uwe/dj8wx PS. OH1TN on 135,95kHz in Jason-mode loud and clear as ever. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22910 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 14:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 14:36:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15702 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 14:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 14:36:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Zv3A-0002V0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:33:52 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Zv39-0002Uv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:33:51 +0000 Received: from host217-35-43-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.43.179] helo=dellboy) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Zv2L-0007jH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:33:01 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c1b23f$de4da9c0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: F6BWO still testing Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:33:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear trans-Atlantic listeners.
 
Jeff F6BWO tells me he is still sending QRSS tests on 135.923 now from 2300 to 0000 utc.
He has a new, more stable oscillator so is now able to send with longer 30 second dots.
Is anyone else still sending?
I could join in with a QRP test as a conditions indicator, say -6dB to -10dB on normal?
I can't really send at full power because the antenna still needs sorting out.
 
73
Dave
G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13136 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 11:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 11:53:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 19995 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 11:53:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 11:53:13 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZsVl-0002CF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:51:13 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZsVk-0002CA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:51:12 +0000 Received: from host217-35-43-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.43.179] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16ZsUw-0001uO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:50:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c1b229$261506c0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: OH1TN Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:50:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear all.
 
Reino wishes to point out that he will be listening and calling for PSK31 and Jason92 contacts around 135.95kHz as he cannot use above 137kHz due to local QRM.
 
73
Dave
G3YXM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10555 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 09:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 09:57:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 19388 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 09:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 09:57:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZqhD-0001xo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:54:55 +0000 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.171]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZqhC-0001xj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:54:54 +0000 Received: from modem-1835.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.43] helo=emart) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16ZqgN-0001dh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:54:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c1b218$c9f4afe0$2b1786d9@freeserve.co.uk> From: "Martin Evans" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Wandel & Goltermann Units. Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:53:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Good morning, gentlemen. I hope that this posting doesn't offend anyone, but it is on topic - there are two items on eBay UK which may be of interest to the LF community: Wandel & Goltermann SPM-3 Selective Level Meter, auction 1331027230; and The matching W&G PS-3 Signal Generator, auction 1331028911. Regards, Martin Evans GW3UCJ. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20440 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 08:40:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 08:40:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23494 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 08:40:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 08:40:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZpM3-0001nW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:28:59 +0000 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.163]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZpM2-0001nR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:28:59 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.112.c51cfc4 (4461) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:28:02 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <112.c51cfc4.29978911@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:28:01 EST Subject: LF: Digimode Tests today To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello group,

I will be QRV this morning in JASON, PSKxx and of course normal CW around 137.4...137.5kHz.
(Sorry Markus for calling you in CW yesterday, I had no PC here and was too curious where the PSK08 signal came from. Better luck today :-)

So if anyone likes to listen or answer on Sunday morning, please join in.

73
 Wolf DL4YHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22267 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 16:10:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 16:10:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 10349 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 16:10:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Za3N-0008TS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:08:41 +0000 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.175]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Za3M-0008TN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:08:40 +0000 Received: from modem-121.powder-brown-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.51.249] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Za2T-0005TA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1b184$0b4d4fa0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re.136 DX Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:07:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks Guilio for the QSO my first on CW with Italy.
I heard your test Beacon signal,then called you on low power.
Then heard your QSO with Cesare but could not copy him.
I then increased power for our QSO. Was confused by QSX
I am more used to QSY Hi. Would like to QSL for first QSO.
Hope to work you  QRSS some time. 73s Laurie. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19515 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 13:36:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 13:36:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 25748 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 13:36:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 13:36:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZXex-0008CB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:35:19 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZXew-0008C6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from ldsas09-73-124-185.cw-visp.com ([212.137.124.185] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ZXSv-0005YV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:22:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3C65256A.173E3AE8@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:34:34 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 DX References: <000a01c1b151$bba7fae0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit  

Laurie Mayhead wrote:

Just had QSO with IK2DED Giulio on 136.65 very good signal,5/5/9 using 150W to 80m high Vert !!! He asked me to spot him on reflector.Now calling CQ.  73s Laurie.
 

I had a report of 579 from Gulio/IK2DED

10/01/02 at 1500 z His qth is near Mantova City

His signal today was around 569
73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3519 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 12:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 12:54:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7436 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 12:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 12:54:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZWzQ-00086I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:52:24 +0000 Received: from [195.120.73.201] (helo=netregister.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZWzP-00086D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:52:23 +0000 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia13.phoenix.it [213.82.97.77]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g19CpVD22298 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:51:31 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c199b8$46a47620$4d6152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c1b151$bba7fae0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: 136 DX Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:22:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Laurie,
many thanks for first qso outside Italy in 136...
This morning io was in my contest station, licated in Porto Mantovano, 12 km north of the city of Mantova, the TX is 2 x IRF 640, running about 150 Watts output, feeding a vetrical wire long 80 meters, slooping down on a tall tower used here to rebroadcast TV station.
The antenna is in origin a 2 element slooping dipole for 160, so now the est slooping dipole is short circuit in feed point, and feeded at the base with about 2 mH coil.
Very nice condition this morning, but working only you, Cesare I5TGC, and listen someone calling me at 136.7, but at 136.6 there is a cw carrier, so asked to qsx at 137.00, but may i have generated some confusion!!
Now i'm came back to home with the tx in Brescia city.
Hope to work someone from here in qrss, beacouse the antenna here is only a vertical fisching roads on roof, hi hi.
73 to all from Italy de IK2DED Giulio.
 
 
Just had QSO with IK2DED Giulio on 136.65 very good signal,5/5/9 using 150W to 80m high Vert !!! He asked me to spot him on reflector.Now calling CQ.  73s Laurie. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20686 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 11:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 11:06:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21849 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 11:06:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 11:06:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZVGV-0007pm-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:01:55 +0000 Received: from siaag2ac.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.133]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZVGO-0007pe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:01:53 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id GAA03138 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 06:00:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 05:58:16 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: 136 DX To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202090558_MC3-F159-4DC9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello LF-group, >Just had QSO with IK2DED Giulio on 136.65 very good signal,5/5/9 using 150W to 80m high Vert !!! >He asked me to spot him on reflector.Now calling CQ. 73s Laurie. < ... Guilio came in her this morning with 559 (-102 dBu = apprx. 6 dBµV) and I called him a couple of times but without success. Later he faded down to 439. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2928 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 10:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 10:50:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 11100 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 10:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 10:50:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZV2Z-0007ls-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:47:31 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZV2Y-0007ln-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:47:30 +0000 Received: from host217-35-43-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.43.179] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16ZV1k-00041w-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:46:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c1b157$150f9b60$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c1b151$bba7fae0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Subject: LF: Re: 136 DX Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:46:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Laurie and all.
 
I heard Giulio peaking 339 at 0930 but he faded down afterwards.
Congratulations on a new one.
 
Dave
G3YXM

Just had QSO with IK2DED Giulio on 136.65 very good signal,5/5/9 using 150W to 80m high Vert !!! He asked me to spot him on reflector.Now calling CQ.  73s Laurie. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27498 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 10:14:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 10:14:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 24419 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 10:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 10:14:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZUQq-0007h9-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:08:32 +0000 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZUQo-0007h4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:08:30 +0000 Received: from modem-5.angrenost.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.133] helo=g3aqc) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16ZUPx-000487-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:07:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1b151$bba7fae0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 DX Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:07:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just had QSO with IK2DED Giulio on 136.65 very good signal,5/5/9 using 150W to 80m high Vert !!! He asked me to spot him on reflector.Now calling CQ.  73s Laurie. 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12317 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 23:50:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 23:50:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10742 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 23:50:54 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 23:50:54 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZKiY-0006Wu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:46:10 +0000 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZKiX-0006Wl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:46:09 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.93.17cd74f6 (16337) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:44:45 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <93.17cd74f6.2995bcec@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:44:44 EST Subject: LF: Jason: 65 channels? To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Alberto, Steve and all, its great to see the concept of FDK and its friendly implementation in Jason. But, one question came to my mind: Instead of using a 4-bit pair for each 6 bit character, why not take it all the way and transmit 6 bits at once? Of course, this would mean 65 frequencies instead of 17, four times the bandwidth at first glance. But then you could double the symbol duration and halve the FFT bin bandwidth to 42 mHz, picking up some SNR on the way. Additionally, even with a Hamming or Bartlett window, the noise in channels only two bins apart should have no significant correlation. Thus the total occupied bandwidth would increase from the current 4.12 Hz to no more than 5.42 Hz. What do you think? 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10480 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 23:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 23:49:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10182 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 23:49:56 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 23:49:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZKio-0006X0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:46:26 +0000 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZKin-0006Wp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:46:25 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.144.9373ea9 (16337) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:44:46 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <144.9373ea9.2995bcee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:44:46 EST Subject: LF: Re: Jason Tests signalling comparison To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Jim, ufb copy " M0BMU M0BMU JASON92 " on 135918, now at 23:30. As a late reply to your posting of Jan 24th (still catching up after a holiday): > ... The Jason signal is equivalent to 17 > separate QRSS stations on different frequencies, using a funny type of code > arranged so that only one station is transmitting at any one time. So the > ability to detect this kind of signal with a given signal power and noise > power spectral density only depends on the length of the dots and not at > all on the number of frequencies used. ... ...not quite, I think. When searching the maximum amplitude in more channels, the statistical probability of a high noise peak in one of them becomes larger, and the error rate increases. Otherwise, one could transmit any number of bits using only a given amount of energy. 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15973 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 18:13:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 18:13:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16122 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 18:13:01 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 18:13:01 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZFOU-0005x0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:05:06 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ZFOT-0005wv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:05:05 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16ZFNd-0005qb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:04:13 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZFNd-0006pG-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:04:13 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020208175604.00afba10@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:01:34 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Jason tests Tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Provided the wind stays reasonably light, I will try some more tests in Jason 0.92 Mode tonight, from about 2300utc and continuing for 2-3 hours. Frequency will be centered on 135.918kHz. All reports very welcome. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2545 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 02:09:16 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 02:09:16 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3169 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 02:09:12 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 02:09:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Z0QD-0003rC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:05:53 +0000 Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Z0QB-0003r7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 02:05:52 +0000 Received: from benny-hill (m7-137-146.joust.net [63.108.137.146]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1824v420304 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:04:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200202080204.g1824v420304@galahad.joust.net> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 21:03:39 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Steve Dove" Subject: Re: LF: Propagation X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Laurie, Not a hint, sorry. Cheers, Steve 2/7/2002 10:41:56 PM, "Laurie Mayhead" wrote: > > > > CFH is building up nicely here,so I will run some DFCW30 for about an hour > > on 135,921.5 Hz. If anyone is about T/A I should appreciate a report. 73s > Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18560 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 22:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 22:48:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 8598 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 22:48:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 22:48:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YxFh-0003Qh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.211]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YxFe-0003Qc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:42:47 +0000 Received: from modem-61.percula-clown.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.49.189] helo=g3aqc) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16YxEi-0004zd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:41:49 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1b028$c175fc80$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Propagation Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:41:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
CFH is building up nicely here,so I will run some DFCW30 for about an hour on 135,921.5 Hz. If anyone is about T/A I should appreciate a report.  73s Laurie.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3377 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 18:56:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 18:56:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27444 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 18:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 18:19:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Yswc-0002x1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:06:50 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Yswb-0002ww-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:06:49 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-134.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.134] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Yska-0006Zy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 17:54:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3C62C20A.36A8CCF8@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:06:03 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: condx References: <000401c1afca$098d6300$2274ccd4@DEFAULT> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Walter wrote: > Hallo Mal, > please tell me the meaning of QAP. In my books about hamradio I could not > find this code. Maybe it`s for aeronautical use? QAP means listening on the QRG(frequency) or pse QAP on 7025 khz(listen for me on 7025 khz) The Q code is very useful for international communications, it avoids the language problem. > > 73 Walter DJ2LF > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28576 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 15:12:48 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 15:12:48 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16673 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 15:02:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 15:02:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YpwR-0002YK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:54:27 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YpwQ-0002YF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:54:26 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Ypva-0003UK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:53:34 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YpvR-0006TF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:53:25 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020207142230.00aa5f48@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:50:55 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: PSK08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Since I am already using Wolf's Spectrum Lab to transmit PSK31, I had a little play around with the "PSK08" and "PSK02" options that are built in. It seems that with a minor mod to the TX circuit I should be able to transmit at these rates too. The remaining problem is receiving the signals; as far as I know, Spectrum Lab is the only software that has a receive function for these lower baud rates. So if anyone would like to try some tests, please let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7666 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 11:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 11:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 26850 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 11:32:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 11:32:53 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YmfD-00028H-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:24:27 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YmfC-00028C-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:24:26 +0000 Received: from DEFAULT (dialin-nbg-034.fen-net.de [212.204.116.34]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17888 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:24:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000401c1afca$098d6300$2274ccd4@DEFAULT> From: "Walter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: condx Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:24:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id MAA17888 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hallo Mal, please tell me the meaning of QAP. In my books about hamradio I could not find this code. Maybe it`s for aeronautical use? 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: gii3kev An: rsgb rsgb Datum: Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2002 19:53 Betreff: LF: condx >CFH has been pounding in here all afternoon, between 6 - 15 db above >noise and possibly a good night for TA QSO'S. Had a QSO with F6BWO >earlier today and >he is interested in a TA QSO at 30 dot sec and probably will be active >tonight around 135.923 khz >I know VE1ZJ has gone QRT but is there anyone else like VE1ZZ or the USA >boys still QAP on the freq for reports or xband QSO'S . >73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11313 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 11:00:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 11:00:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12273 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 11:00:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 11:00:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YmGF-00022v-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:58:39 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YmGE-00022o-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:58:39 +0000 Received: from host213-1-86-150.btinternet.com ([213.1.86.150] helo=default) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16YmFQ-0004zY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:57:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c1afc6$4507a980$965601d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: 137.00 FSK signal Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:41:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, Laurie and Dave, I am fairly sure that the signal we all heard yesterday was our old friend from Canada. It was showing all the right indications here and was instantly recognisable on a waterfall display. As I said in my earlier message I think the exceptional strength for a short period may have been a propagation effect connected with an X-ray flare around the middle of the day yesterday. Conditions did seem to be returning to what we have come to regard as 'normal', i.e. we dont hear it (if on) in daytime. However yesterday's plot from Brain CT1DRP shows that daytime levels of DCF39 where enhanced by over 10dB at times, and the night-time levels were similarly depressed. This is possibly connected with the Kp=4 conditions we have seen recently and the storm that lifted the index to 5 on the morning of the 2nd Feb ( note the 3 day gap again). There are posibilities CFH will pop up again as there is a 'possibility' (NOAA terminology) of more minor flares (M-Class) from a current active area on the sun. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 948 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 10:45:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 10:45:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28027 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 10:45:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 10:45:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YlwC-0001zE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:37:56 +0000 Received: from rhun.esoterica.pt ([195.22.0.26]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YlwB-0001z9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:37:55 +0000 Received: from srv17slx.esoterica.pt (srv17slx.esoterica.pt [195.22.0.47]) by rhun.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g17Ab2I04009 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:37:02 GMT Received: from slave-6 (por088.esoterica.pt [195.22.5.88]) by srv17slx.esoterica.pt (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g17Ab1o06001 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:37:01 GMT Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020207103706.009cb9f0@pop3.esoterica.pt> X-Sender: brian@pop3.esoterica.pt (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:37:06 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Brian Rogerson" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: CFH In-reply-to: <001201c1afb3$60c95aa0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> References: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C6052B2.3DB52423@snet.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020206164931.00a7c010@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001c01c1afaf$f49dbb80$66f37ad5@dave> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: If the 136KHz and 73KHz bands are monitored a distinct correlation will be seen between the "on time" of what I believe to be CFH on the two band. And the signals are usually very distinctly there or not with no others to confuse the issue. Having said that, in the last few days there has been what one can only describe as a man controlled reduction in signal strength on 137KHz to be followed some two hours later by similar increase, both step changes. I publish the "grams" daily together with some signal strength graphs and have archives in Xcel format going back to May last year. There are some earlier records but only as a Spectrogram overnight image. These are available to anyone interested. 73, Brian At 08:41 07/02/2002 -0000, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dave Sergeant LF: Re: CFH > > >> I heard CFH yesterday afternoon at over s9 - not far off the signal I copy >it (when >> it is on) at dawn. Normally when I hear it in the daytime it is much much >weaker. >> Are we sure we are listening to CFH, or is it a different signal from >Europe? >> >> 73s Dave G3YMC >> > Also very strong here about midday,and definately coming from the NW/SE >rather than NE. So my bet is that it is CFH probably running higher power! >73s Laurie.G3AQC >> >> >> > > > > 73 Brian CT1DRP IN51QD 41 09 58N 08 39 11W http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6456 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 08:49:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 08:49:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14094 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 08:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 08:49:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Yk8U-0001lq-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:42:30 +0000 Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.174]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Yk8S-0001ll-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:42:29 +0000 Received: from modem-60.annuminas.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.116.188] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Yk7b-0003yx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:41:36 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c1afb3$60c95aa0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C6052B2.3DB52423@snet.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020206164931.00a7c010@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <001c01c1afaf$f49dbb80$66f37ad5@dave> Subject: LF: Re: Re: CFH Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:41:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sergeant LF: Re: CFH > I heard CFH yesterday afternoon at over s9 - not far off the signal I copy it (when > it is on) at dawn. Normally when I hear it in the daytime it is much much weaker. > Are we sure we are listening to CFH, or is it a different signal from Europe? > > 73s Dave G3YMC > Also very strong here about midday,and definately coming from the NW/SE rather than NE. So my bet is that it is CFH probably running higher power! 73s Laurie.G3AQC > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7994 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 08:22:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 19452 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 08:22:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YjiD-0001iH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:15:21 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YjiB-0001iC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:15:20 +0000 Received: from host213-122-243-102.dial.btopenworld.com ([213.122.243.102] helo=dave) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16YjhK-0005Sx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:14:27 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c1afaf$f49dbb80$66f37ad5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" References: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C6052B2.3DB52423@snet.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020206164931.00a7c010@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: CFH Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:16:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I heard CFH yesterday afternoon at over s9 - not far off the signal I copy it (when it is on) at dawn. Normally when I hear it in the daytime it is much much weaker. Are we sure we are listening to CFH, or is it a different signal from Europe? 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29994 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 02:24:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 02:24:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28774 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2002 02:24:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2002 02:24:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ye0t-00018f-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 02:10:15 +0000 Received: from out1.prserv.net ([32.97.166.31] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ye0s-00018a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2002 02:10:14 +0000 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-103-10-2.md.us.prserv.net[32.103.10.2]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2002020702091820102q3e1he>; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 02:09:19 +0000 Message-ID: <3C61E17A.CD7B5A1E@ieee.org> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:07:54 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lf-amrad" , "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: QRM on 125 kHz ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: They Want Their ID Chips Now By Julia Scheeres 2:00 a.m. Feb. 6, 2002 PST Meet the Jacobs family: Jeffrey, Leslie and their son, Derek. They're a fairly typical American family, middle class and ambitious. The father is a dentist, the mother is an account executive at an interior design magazine and the 14-year-old son plays jazz and tinkers with computers in his spare time. But one thing may soon make the Jacobses stand out: They could become the first family in the world to be implanted with microchips that contain their personal information. The chip in question, the VeriChip, is similar to the biochips that have been used to identify pets and livestock for years. Made by Applied Digital Solutions (ADS), the VeriChip stores six lines of text and is slightly larger than a grain of rice. It emits a 125-kHz radio frequency signal that can be picked up by a special scanner up to four feet away. The company initially plans to market the chip in the United States as a medical device that would allow hospital workers to simply scan a patient's body in an emergency situation to access their health record. The Jacobses, who live in Boca Raton, Florida, first heard about the microchip in a television news report. "Derek stood up and said, 'I want to be the first kid to be implanted with the chip,'" Leslie Jacobs said. "For the next few days all he did was talk about the VeriChip." Derek, an eighth-grader who became a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer at age 12, fantasizes about merging humans and machines. Jeffrey Jacobs, who is severely disabled, was interested in the device for health reasons. So Leslie called up Palm Beach-based ADS and offered her family as guinea pigs once the microchip is approved for testing by the FDA. ADS chief technology officer Keith Bolton said he was a bit wary about the family's motives at first, but the Jacobses quickly convinced him they'd be perfect subjects. Since the VeriChip was announced in December, the company has been bombarded with queries from people interested in the device, Bolton said. "Right now we have over 2,000 kids who have e-mailed, wanting to have the chip implanted," he said. "They think it's cool." Derek, for one, dreams of a day when he'll be able log onto his computers or unlock his house and turn on the lights without lifting a finger, functions that British professor Kevin Warwick was able to do in a 1998 experiment with an implanted microchip. Derek was also inspired by Richard Seelig, the company's director of medical applications, who injected two VeriChips into himself after hearing stories of rescue workers at the World Trade Center scrawling their names and Social Security numbers onto their bodies in case they didn't make it out of the rubble alive. "I think it's one more step in the evolution of man and technology," said Derek, who once needed to move into the family room after his electronics equipment crowded his bedroom. "There are endless possibilities for this." (Currently the chip is immutable once the device is injected via a syringe, using local anesthetic. In future applications, the chip may include a GPS receiver and other advanced features, company officials said.) Jeffrey, a 48-year-old cancer survivor, has more practical reasons for wanting the VeriChip. "If something happens to me and there's no one that knows anything about my medical history, any paramedic or hospital worker, if they have the scanner -- which hopefully everyone will have at some point -- will be able to scan all my information," he said. "It could save my life." Leslie, 46, said she was motivated by security concerns. The Sept. 11 terrorist attacks hit close to home: Her family lives in South Florida, where authorities say 14 of the 19 hijackers lived. Her office is a block away from tabloid publisher American Media, where a photo editor died after contracting anthrax. The world would be a safer place if authorities had a tamper-proof way of identifying people, she said. "I have nothing to hide, so I wouldn't mind having the chip for verification," Leslie Jacobs said. "I already have an ID card, so why not have a chip?" Pilots could be chipped and scanned before they entered the cockpit, she suggested, to ensure the person sitting at the controls was indeed an airline employee. Her husband went further, suggesting that violent criminals and known terrorists should be routinely chipped as a matter of policy. The idea of requiring people to be implanted was brought up by Applied Digital Solutions CEO Richard Sullivan in an interview with the Palm Beach Post, in which he suggested microchips be used to track foreigners visiting the United States. (The company has since downplayed his comments.) But an X-Files-type scheme where everyone is forcibly marked and monitored by the government worries both civil libertarians and Christians, who believe new technologies such as biometrics and biochips may be the feared "Mark of the Beast" of Biblical lore that is described in Revelations 13:16: "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name." Gary Wohlscheid, the president of The Last Day Ministries -- a group espousing the belief that humanity is on the verge of an apocalyptic showdown between the forces of good and evil -- believes the VeriChip could be this mark. Although the chip is not yet small enough to be injected into the forehead or right hand at the moment, it could be in the future, he said. "Out of all the technologies with potential to be the mark of the beast, the VeriChip has got the best possibility right now," he said. "It's definitely not the final product, but it's a step toward it. Within three to four years, people will be required to use it. Those that reject it will be put to death." Wohlscheid felt so strongly about this possibility that he created a Web page to warn others of the microchip's evil potential. To quell Christians' fears, Bolton, the Jacobses and a theologian recently appeared on the 700 Club, hosted by televangelist Pat Robertson. Privacy expert Richard Smith scoffed at the Jacobses' plans. "Sounds like a publicity stunt and nothing more," he said. "Being chipped today has no value because hospitals and the police don't have the reader units." Although the VeriChip is awaiting FDA approval in the United States, the company recently announced a deal to market the chips to potential kidnap victims living in South America, such as corporate executives. The device could be used to identify abduction victims who are unable to communicate with their rescuers because they are unconscious, drugged or, in a worst-case scenario, dead. The company hopes to get the FDA green light in the next couple of months. When and if that happens, the Jacobses would be among the first subjects to receive the VeriChip, company officials said. ************************ 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28825 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 22:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 22:39:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 2512 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 22:39:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 22:39:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Yagw-0000hU-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:37:26 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Yagw-0000hP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:37:26 +0000 Received: from host213-123-65-44.dial.btopenworld.com ([213.123.65.44] helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Yag8-0000Kt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:36:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c1af5e$c48ac560$2c417bd5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Propagation conditions Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:24:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, CFH was certainly coming in again today around lunch time, but did you notice the way it 'slid away'. I believe this signal peak may have been due to a minor X-ray flare (M1.5) at the time. Flares do not leave any lingering effects. The daytime condition are declining again according to Brian's (CT1DRP) daily plots of DCF39. CFH is not really a reliable pointer at the moment as it seems to be in a test mode. Last evening looked as though it was going to be poor, but the signal went off just as the stregnth was building up, at about 2330. At this time of the year the best signals do not appear until after 2400z, and again around 0500z. Dusk in Nova Scotia is about 2230 and with Dex around 2300, it will normally take another 30 mins to an hour for the signals to reach their best levels. The problem at the moment is that there has been some coronal hole activity as well as the minor flares and this has cause a rise in the Kp index to 4 over the last couple of days. I would normally not expect this to be a significant damper on conditions, but the nightime DCF plot show very poor levels and a great deal of rapid and deep fading. I suspect the geomagnetic activity will just prolong this. As I have said before....I could just be wrong (!!) and the effects of multipath fading are dramtically different from one location to another. Lauries 73k signals were heard when I though conditions should be difficult, but that may have been due to the longer wavelength. Good Hunting and Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22691 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 20:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 20:05:04 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9943 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 20:05:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 20:05:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YYCx-0000Qw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:58:19 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YYCw-0000Qr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:58:18 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.109.79]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:53:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3C61CFC3.14F0B740@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:52:19 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: condx References: <3C6176B7.64B119C6@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mal , Just a note. Last year when we had CFH or DCF39 crossing Atlantic all day, we usually had bad condx ( high K index ) and poor to nil at night 73 de John VE1ZJ gii3kev wrote: > CFH has been pounding in here all afternoon, between 6 - 15 db above > noise and possibly a good night for TA QSO'S. Had a QSO with F6BWO > earlier today and > he is interested in a TA QSO at 30 dot sec and probably will be active > tonight around 135.923 khz > I know VE1ZJ has gone QRT but is there anyone else like VE1ZZ or the USA > boys still QAP on the freq for reports or xband QSO'S . > 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6964 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 19:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 19:31:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5486 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 19:31:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 19:31:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YXcV-0000Mu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:20:39 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YXcU-0000Mk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:20:38 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:19:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6181CD.F646885@att.net> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:19:41 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: condx References: <3C6176B7.64B119C6@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I will watch 135.921 to .924 tonight. My local sunset is 2301 UTC. If I see anything I will upload screen shots that can been seen at: http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/135kHz.jpg Dex gii3kev wrote: > > CFH has been pounding in here all afternoon, between 6 - 15 db above > noise and possibly a good night for TA QSO'S. Had a QSO with F6BWO > earlier today and > he is interested in a TA QSO at 30 dot sec and probably will be active > tonight around 135.923 khz > I know VE1ZJ has gone QRT but is there anyone else like VE1ZZ or the USA > boys still QAP on the freq for reports or xband QSO'S . > 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23823 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 18:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 18:46:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6752 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 18:46:20 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 18:46:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YWtz-0000GA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:34:39 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YWty-0000G5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:34:38 +0000 Received: from ldsas05-69-120-115.cw-visp.com ([212.137.120.115] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16YWhz-0006My-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:22:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6176B7.64B119C6@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:32:23 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: condx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: CFH has been pounding in here all afternoon, between 6 - 15 db above noise and possibly a good night for TA QSO'S. Had a QSO with F6BWO earlier today and he is interested in a TA QSO at 30 dot sec and probably will be active tonight around 135.923 khz I know VE1ZJ has gone QRT but is there anyone else like VE1ZZ or the USA boys still QAP on the freq for reports or xband QSO'S . 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9278 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 17:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 17:59:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5145 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 17:59:17 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 17:59:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YW5w-00009b-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:42:56 +0000 Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.100]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YW5v-00009W-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:42:55 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id l.59.17194d45 (25098) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:41:26 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <59.17194d45.2992c4c5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:41:25 EST Subject: LF: PSK31, PSK08, Spectrum Lab To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Group,

Thanks to all for the reports. Concerning PSK31 and PSK08:
In fact there is an implementation of PSK08 in Spectrum Lab, but it's not very user friendly and not really optimized (in fact, it is a crude version of PSK31 with two additional decimation stages before the decoder). I have compared its performance in the presence of white Gaussian noise and got a much lower error rate, but white noise is not a real world signal.
So the practical "gain" of PSK08 against PSK31 in an LF-environment with static crashes and 'carrier type' noise and will be less.

In contrast to John's (G4CNN) observations, I did not notice missing or wrong characters in Jims transmission, the character error rate in his signal here in JO42 was less than one percent. This is certainly a result of the different types of noise at different locations, as digital transmissions with a "relatively high" symbol rate suffer much more from short crashes than others, and there is no error correction method in Peter's varicode set which was intended for fast keyboard-to-keyboard communications where it does an excellent job.

(John, I hope you didn't use Spectrum Lab as a PSK31 decoder. It will not display a warning if the computer is not fast enough for a high-res waterfall and the PSK decoder running at the same time, so I highly recommend using one of the "profi"-programs like Digipan, WinPSK, etc etc. One of them may even have PSK08 implemented).

If you want to do some experiments with the implementation of PSK08 in Spectrum Lab, you can download it from www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html . But beware ! The current version has the charm of a building-site (*), the proper function of the PSK08 decoder has not been verified since a long time and its almost certain that there are undiscovered bugs in it.

(*) more about that soon, if other threads don't keep me busy.

73,
 Wolf  DL4YHF.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27084 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 17:19:38 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 17:19:38 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21494 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 17:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 17:19:40 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YVfN-000060-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:15:29 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YVfM-00005v-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:15:28 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16YVeX-00062a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:14:37 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YVeW-0007QF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:14:36 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020206164931.00a7c010@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:12:10 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: Re: CFH In-reply-to: <3C61375F.592E8EEA@netscapeonline.co.uk> References: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C6052B2.3DB52423@snet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, I heard CFH transmitting FSK on 137.0k last night - I didn't stop to measure it, but it seemed to be only moderately strong here compared to how it was on "good" nights last year. The pattern seemed to be that under "good" condx, CFH would get up to 40dB or more over the noise, with occasional deep fades during the night, and fading out during the day completely. When conditions were disturbed it was audible at a relatively low level during the whole day, but hardly picked up at all at night - G3NYK's ions up to their mischief in the D-layer. Mal's report of it being audible this afternoon suggests that conditions are poor again - but if it builds up after dark, things could be improving. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3093 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 16:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 16:35:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 27931 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 16:35:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 16:35:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YUxc-0008WA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:30:16 +0000 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.161]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YUxb-0008W5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:30:15 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id l.135.8f37439 (3859) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:29:17 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <135.8f37439.2992b3dd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:29:17 EST Subject: LF: Toroid cores To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello group

The old, but reliable, 3C85 series of toroids are now becoming difficult to find.
As I'm still getting the odd enquiry or two, I've decided to re-stock some of the popular sizes but in the new 3C90 material.

I have ordered, for delivery in 3 weeks:

58mm  (1kW)   42mm (400W)  and 25mm (?W) toroids.

Prices seem similar to the 3C85 series but I will update my web-site shortly.

Ref: The G3YXM pre-amp design. -   I have not been able to located a suitable variable inductor to replace the obsolete Toko unit in Dave's design.

If anyone has had any luck with a replacement, I would be interested in the details.

Thanks


David  G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16544 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 15:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 15:28:44 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16440 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 15:28:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 15:28:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YTxL-0008NX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:25:55 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YTxK-0008NS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:25:54 +0000 Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16YTwV-00023c-0D; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:25:04 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.168]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16YTwG-2AVODIC; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:24:48 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202051941_MC3-F0D2-9D6B@compuserve.com> <000f01c1aef7$fb28e140$1700a8c0@home> Subject: Re: LF: Re: PSK31 Tests on Tuesday evening X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:24:48 +0100 Message-ID: <16YTwG-2AVODIC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave Pick schrieb: > Geri mentioned PSK08, is there a version of this that's as easy to use as > 31? (I use Peter Martinez's windows program). Hi Dave, Wolf`s SpecLab Digimode Terminal does. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19431 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 14:25:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 14:25:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 19369 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 14:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 14:25:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YSng-0008C5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:11:52 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YSng-0008C0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:11:52 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-66.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.66] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16YSbg-0005Zw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:59:29 +0000 Message-ID: <3C610D19.989C9D52@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:01:45 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: CFH References: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C6052B2.3DB52423@snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jay Rusgrove wrote: > What time and what frequency? QRG 137 khz and QTR around midday 1200 - 1900 utc. I did not make a note of the exact times I often hear this acty on 137 khz but only check the QRG occassionaly. It varies in strength from barely audible to over S9 during my daytime. I am not sure whether the transmission is always active or maybe it just comes on air when needed. It is not audible with me today at 1030 utc and I seldom check it at night time, I am usually in bed hi Let me know if you are set up for LF acty and could listen for me on 136 khz. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/IO94SH Date 06/02/2002 > > > Jay Rusgrove, W1VD > > gii3kev wrote: > > > CFH is roaring in again here all day, and very strong at present, > > maybe good for > > TA tonight. Is anyone else able to hear it ? > > de G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8207 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 14:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 14:15:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7745 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 14:15:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 14:15:47 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YSnz-0008CE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:12:11 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YSny-0008C8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:12:10 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-66.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.66] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16YSbs-0005a4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:59:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3C61375F.592E8EEA@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:02:08 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: CFH References: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> <3C6052B2.3DB52423@snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jay Rusgrove wrote: > What time and what frequency? Active again today at 1350utc on 137 khz, signal around 10 db above noise floor, freq shift 75 hz. 1355 utc/06 Feb 2002, middle of the day here, overcast with a breeze. de Mal/G3KEV > > > Jay Rusgrove, W1VD > > gii3kev wrote: > > > CFH is roaring in again here all day, and very strong at present, > > maybe good for > > TA tonight. Is anyone else able to hear it ? > > de G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13453 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 14:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 14:05:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17010 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 14:05:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 14:05:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YSXI-00088F-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:54:56 +0000 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.104]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YSXH-00088A-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:54:55 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id l.117.c227483 (3999) for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:53:26 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <117.c227483.29928f56@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:53:26 EST Subject: Re: LF: Re: PSK31 Tests on Tuesday evening To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10510 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In a message dated 2/6/02 10:25:51 AM GMT Standard Time, g3yxm@wireless.org.uk writes:


(I use Peter Martinez's windows program).
It would certainly be more in keeping with our slow way of doing things and
should be a lot better when down in the noise.



Hi Dave.

Don't think so
But it may be worth updating to 'Digipan' which has a better display and other features.

73

David  G0MRF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29874 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 12:32:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 12:32:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 15850 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 12:32:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 12:32:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YQz7-0007xa-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:15:33 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YQz6-0007xV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:15:32 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16YQyH-0003RP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:14:41 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YQyD-0006kx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:14:37 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020206102338.00a71bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:12:11 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: PSK31 Tests on Tuesday evening In-reply-to: <200202051941_MC3-F0D2-9D6B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Thanks to Wolf, Geri and Andy for the 4 - way PSK31 QSO last night, and also for all the listener reports. G4JNT and DF0WD/DL4YHF were almost perfect copy throughout, with only an occasional corrupted character due to static crashes. DK8KW's signal was subject to a slow, deep fade that lasted the duration of the QSO - frustratingly, Geri's signal was quite good copy in his QSO with Wolf before I started up, and the signal level was improving again at the end of the QSO, so I was getting 30 - 40% good copy at the end, but in-between Geri was at times inaudible and barely visible on the spectrogram. When sending the test signals later on, I could see weak "tracks" of an FSK signal on the screen around 137.4 (I think these have been identified as spurious signals from DDH47?) so perhaps will try a slightly different frequency next time. So PSK31 obviously works quite well on LF provided signal levels are adequate - I got the impression that a signal that was comfortable copy in CW would also give good copy in PSK31. It has to be said that QRN was at very low levels last night, so it might not be so good during the summer months. I think "PSK08" could be worth trying for an extra bit of SNR. Also, there is VE2IQ's COHERENT mode, which offers a wide selection of baud rates and also error correction - I had a QSO with G4JNT some time ago using this mode, and it worked very well. It has the drawback of requiring a special A/D interface (such as Andy's simple PIC based device), and a computer running DOS (although an old, slow computer works fine). Any of these modes would be a good way for a non-CW person to get involved on LF. I see from the space weather sites that geomagnetic conditions were quite disturbed last night, along with the reports of aurora; I'm not sure if this has anything to do with the fading we experienced - I have observed similar slow, deep fades quite often on the DCF39 signal, and also on signals from PA, MM0ALM and sometimes even as close as G3KEV. If anyone would like to try a sked or tests in PSK31 or other modes, please let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18773 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 11:32:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 11:32:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 6741 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 11:32:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 11:32:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YQCk-0007qi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:25:34 +0000 Received: from [212.204.115.10] (helo=hugo.fen-net.de ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YQCj-0007qd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:25:33 +0000 Received: from DEFAULT (dialin-nbg-038.fen-net.de [212.204.116.38]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA07291; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:25:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005201c1af01$04199ca0$2674ccd4@DEFAULT> From: "Walter" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hartmut_B=FCttig?= Subject: LF: Re: Off topic-"Hamfest" Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:43:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id MAA07291 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hallo Mike and All, about Hamradio: The meeting of the friends of LF will be on Friday - 28.06 - at 16.00MEZ hall C. Dead line at 18.00MEZ. But after that we meet in the restaurant "Dorfkrug" - not more than 200m off - for the chat and food and drinks (recommended). 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mike Probert An: lf group Datum: Dienstag, 5. Februar 2002 17:19 Betreff: LF: Off topic-"Hamfest" >To our DL friends, > >Can someone kindly tell me the date of the "hamfest" in FRIEDRICHSHAFEN this >year? > >Mit freundlichen Gruessen, > >Mike GW4HXO. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20154 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 10:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 10:32:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16787 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 10:32:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 10:32:39 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YP99-0007gb-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:17:47 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YP98-0007gW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:17:46 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2001.07.26.11.50.p9) with ESMTP id <0GR30014AWHJEK@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:15:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 02:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: LF: PSK31 Tests To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <1354401.1012990548873.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim, Geri, Wolfgang, Copied your PSK31 QSO last night from 20.20 till 21.00. I had left the Rx on 137.5 but missed the first part because sigs were 8Hz later. Jim was solid copy of course, but still the occasional error. I was fascinated to see how Jim occasionally sent backspace a few times to correct an error and how this was acted upon by the Rx software. Shame one can't use that to actually correct transmission errors, hi! Both Wolfgang and Geri were good copy at times but at times just random characters. It seems to me this is just the typical failure of another machine recognition method. The software simply gets out of sync in the presence of QRM. We can see when it is in sync because of our knowledge of words and the context of the QSO, but the software doesn't have this ability. When it does get that smart - look out! I append below the uncorrected output to give a flavour of reception. If you are not interested delete this email now. 73, John, G4CNN Andy running 170W linear at moment. OK eae> ethe coherent signalling - will be interested to see what happens when u get it all goinge e o o ue I think that is probably veeo|e s p for long DX working on LF, or something similar, just problem of getting enough stations ready with all the gear. So will sa 73 to Andy if u are off, and put back to Wolfeagn - DF0WD es Group de M0BMU kn nf t:e0BMUa4JNThnd DK8KWOopefully back again. G3d eveningfo Andy, best regds from hereu OI rbou t hereJ, u rtunaI IesI\q i e foR: when the testkTent - no k ae etc. Thanks foat he info on Andys setup, he is :unning about dou e the power than gyself, only teee antennaw bic ee he" ( 0m"etween 6 ?at8 m=ers oÚ cluby a ion ust ovea e aHoŮo 2noao s otfuvo ? Jiu n oi ta.ig Oe activity ! Hope Geri Ts back spli me pass irno h DK8KWn M0BMU es G4JNT de DF0WD/D.¦AHF k ueeB. annd G4J neand gF s , tđs is DK8KW D e;W e ran `em2eToneoneaeo fi p e e odaÚninm tpo w Y. Bope that ]ceeneç pSe uo oeo GO mtttq }Icqf dob wirdye ra feeo%amsr 1, pes ye R{ť e : eeIal BII -d ?s B im C5 stection f` a while . Ji eI coeuldo e ly copy boee in your last ove I do e x peeŢ% ;e y Çe t outoeenSne '59 h6 Moole put then it went back to e339 or so . I can nG copypdy a here ti enb·e+ }tG m e Xeo oee ¬ Idos l to make sure that ee ngm copied ok. E eo Geri - I can see your sig on spectrogremam, but quite weaq and only a few words decoding at moment - u wee toenNronger earlier on, so maybe just some QSB? so pse can you QSP Wolf BK}Be r e e ,eIoj tha you for QSP, Wolf,tI really have problems here at the ment. I was only abre b get aKŕ wo.t lJrom pa gat/n?-e are j aoD00R+apart efo tSv´ -e: o dŤpu tn aer=oi teant eb.. I ténk that Alane tonce desribed this phenomenon. lßee e t ort, to make it easie or you, eWol m to:e} Lsm;. I amaus Tt o 1 Oi¸p|M ne e s i ton,o d eh > gBo uA getv aeate l t¨T bea ! noe p d ewirh C W audeo -ro zehScofe 1.4*nelt e33eh%nRng a O . y e plhn Pedq d étereI a e t tu d Ň thekG0eeepeMee sinear e gath about 250 Watts out. Antenna is 2 usual ·8f hiyh xmbrella 2 (nee o Qeuts t^ sogf thos evenygtti QSP from Geri .t .. o F E znM/ =oh! u.Î lemT%Źatf go nrToi5espnFy a eeotou a fe7TordsJrČ I-mzgeoseem a_ein to havef} e.ationsf a ve eg sesec ave a . or i Ör ecKÓ!io atio we a ee un o@ŘŘ g h o-Cen e tKd) oT iin das Alan onl icrob ta e . ' wi k eiit 9_a to]iPŰc-ae Ę or&ĺVWo m k e e ĺitWItŤ using the -1ŮŘ1 atagenmk SSoo E˝arter,hn DK8KW, Df0WD es G4JNT de M0BMU - not sure if Andy still e-> l eQRV - will listen for you and QSP if you are still there Andy ?BK o ,oĆn e OK, think Andy now QRT to ee nN on with other buisiness, HI. Well thanks to Wolf for QSPing Geri 3 esigs to me, I can see Geri on spectrogram trace, but still quite weak - might come up again, or tu e o ybe condx were better earlier in evtoning when I had good copy of both ur sigs. Hope your fingers warm up soon, Wolf!! here it gets too hot in shack with TX es PSU going, have to keep window open to eL at a bit of air in - problem other way round fIe me! Well, it has certainly been nice for me to th tout a different mode on LF although I think all other stns tonight have ued PSK31 before on LF... But ier s egood to have some variety. So I will put it back to the DL side - perhaps we can see if Geriee ťpBas come up a bit? DK8KW es DF0WD de M0BMU eŇpbe}e M0BMU and the group this is DK8kkR 0 W t, Je e0 'F rul to co a bit more this over ... thank you very much for the QSO and I hope that we will have someobeetter conditions betweenoPeineom r Yb i he nfcture. olnytthank you for QSP an hope to see you agai t..eo 73 73 73 73 to all , also our listeners, I know for ex˙ple that Fabian, DJb r P 8mlnho l avaethe b st, booed night and see you ain!! M0BMU, G4JNT, DF0WD/DEYee e ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9285 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 10:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 10:29:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 22182 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 10:29:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 10:29:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YPCy-0007hT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:21:44 +0000 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YPCx-0007hO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:21:43 +0000 Received: from host217-35-43-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.43.179] helo=dellboy) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16YPC8-0001VQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:20:52 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c1aef7$fb28e140$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202051941_MC3-F0D2-9D6B@compuserve.com> Subject: LF: Re: PSK31 Tests on Tuesday evening Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:21:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello PSKers. I was listening and ready to transmit but had to go before I got a chance to call in. What I had forgotten about PSK31 was how quick it is compared to anything else on LF, even CW. Geri mentioned PSK08, is there a version of this that's as easy to use as 31? (I use Peter Martinez's windows program). It would certainly be more in keeping with our slow way of doing things and should be a lot better when down in the noise. 73 Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 00:51:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 00:51:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21984 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2002 00:51:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Feb 2002 00:51:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YGB4-0006ZA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 00:43:10 +0000 Received: from siaag2ab.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.132]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YGB3-0006Z5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 00:43:10 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id TAA28390 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:41:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:41:15 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: PSK31 Tests on Tuesday evening To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202051941_MC3-F0D2-9D6B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Wolf, Jim, Andy, all the listeners, and the rest of the group, >Earlier on there was '4-corner QSO' with G4JNT, DK8KW, M0BMU and myself with >interesting propagation effects, possibly a result of the Aurora (which < ... indeed, a nice PSK31 QSO with interesting effects. Wolf and me are only about 115 km apart but we were able to hear and read Jim's, M0BMU's PSK31 signals completely different. At the beginning of our QSO Jim's signal was about 5 dBµV/m (signal strength about -103 dBu), perfectly readable, then it went down another 3 dB to below 2 dBµV/m (-106 dBu), at this point completely unreadable to occasionally readable. During that time Jim's signal was relayed to me through Wolf's cut and paste activity, who could read Jim almost perfectly. At the end of our QSO, after about an hour, Jim's signal suddenly climbed to 10 dBµV/m (-98 dBu) and was perfectly readable. Noise level was around -106 dBu all the time at a bandwidth of 100 Hz (which shows me that also a PSK31 can not be copied perfectly if it is close to or below the noise level at this bandwidth, I would guess that a normal CW signal would have had a similar readability). I remember that this selective fading with completely different phases and signal strengths was also observed between other stations that were only 100km or so apart. I don't know if this can be traced back to the aurora or to other propagation effects, but it was interesting to observe. Same as Wolf I was unable to read Andy's signals here, we might need to check again in PSK08 or WOLF or a similar mode to see if we could pull the signal out of the noise. Thanks also for all the stations reporting reading our signals. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4778 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 22:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 22:03:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11665 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 22:03:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YDYl-00061A-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:55:27 +0000 Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.102]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YDYi-000611-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:55:25 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id l.168.8555403 (16785) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <168.8555403.2991ae75@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:53:57 EST Subject: LF: PSK31 Tests on Tuesday evening To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jim and group,

M0BMU's test transmission is still going on, and -a bit to my surprise- at this moment
I can copy it 100 percent from my home QTH with a small ferrite antenna, 5 meters away from the PC monitor, connected to a TS850, and using WinPSK31 to receive it.

Maybe this has been already sent to the reflector, but...

>>>
TEST de MŘBMU MŘBMU MŘBMU
PSK31 mode from Jim, MŘBMU
QTH Hatfield Loc IO91VR
12ŘŘW PEP into ant 9m high inv L
estimated ERP 4ŘŘmW
Pse E- eail to j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk,
Or phone .... <<<

Earlier on there was '4-corner QSO' with G4JNT, DK8KW, M0BMU and myself with interesting propagation effects, possibly a result of the Aurora (which produced good propagation on 2mtrs tonight). Unfortunately I could not see Andy at the waterfall and he couldn't hear me, so thanks to Jim for the QSP.


73,  Wolf
  DL4YHF // DF0WD

... with the fingers no longer frozen, but it was good fun ! ..  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26186 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 21:44:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 21:44:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 238 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 21:44:07 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 21:44:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YDLi-0005yi-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:41:58 +0000 Received: from mta2.snet.net ([204.60.203.71]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YDLh-0005yd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:41:57 +0000 Received: from snet.net (118.222.252.64.snet.net [64.252.222.118] (may be forged)) by mta2.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with ESMTP id g15Lf4HI028399 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:41:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C6052B2.3DB52423@snet.net> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:46:27 -0500 From: "Jay Rusgrove" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: CFH References: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: What time and what frequency? Jay Rusgrove, W1VD gii3kev wrote: > CFH is roaring in again here all day, and very strong at present, > maybe good for > TA tonight. Is anyone else able to hear it ? > de G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24423 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 21:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 21:21:49 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16761 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 21:21:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 21:21:39 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCzw-0005tw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:19:28 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCzv-0005tr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:19:27 +0000 Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16YCrC-0005Io-01; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:10:26 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.164]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16YCqx-1oZsPoC; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:10:11 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200202051241_MC3-F0D9-41FF@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: LF: PSK31 Tests X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:10:11 +0100 Message-ID: <16YCqx-1oZsPoC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW schrieb: > Hello Jim, > > I would love to give it a try tonight. What time is suitable for you? Maybe > we should move to 137.450 kHz to avoid the people testing Jason. > > >Dear LF Group, > > >After repairing some damage after the weekend gales, and resolving a few > >teething problems, I have now got PSK31 capability up and running on my > >136kHz TX. I hope to try some tests this evening around 137.5kHz, so if > >anyone is interested or would like to try a sked please let me know. > > > >Cheers, Jim Moritz > >73 de M0BMU< > > > I would love to give it a try tonight. What time is suitable for you? Maybe > we should move to 137.450 kHz to avoid the people testing Jason. > > Best 73 > > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) > > P.S.: I hope I can transmit, I have seen some flashover between one of my > top-radials and my 5-ele-HF beam ... my rotor is broken, so the beam is > swinging around due to the wind ... > Hi Jim, Wolf es Geri, in jo43sv nice reading with Patrick Lindeckers MULTI-PSK. other softwares i tried have been useless because of interference by a ghost signal from the mark of DCF47 (RTTY). regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8102 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 20:54:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 20:54:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 29870 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 20:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 20:54:38 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCXC-0005mW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:49:46 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCXB-0005mR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:49:46 +0000 Received: from boxernet.demon.co.uk ([194.222.47.214] helo=scooby) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16YCWN-000I01-0V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:48:55 +0000 From: "Mike Probert" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Off topic-"Hamfest" Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:48:24 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <29.221abc58.2991616c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Wolf,
 
Many thanks for info. Too old for camping or mosquitos !!
 
73
 
Mike. GW4HXO.
 
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<<<<<<<<> Hello Mike,

The HAM Radio in Friedrichshafen this year is from June 28 to 30.
If you consider going there, it's a good idea to make hotel reservation early (or go camping on the banks of the Bodensee and let those mosquitos bite you :-).

73
Wolf DL4YHF.  <<<<<<<<<<<< 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7020 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 20:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 20:54:08 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29416 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 20:54:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 20:54:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCXg-0005n1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:50:16 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCXg-0005mw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:50:16 +0000 Received: from ldsas20-84-135-226.cw-visp.com ([212.137.135.226] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16YCLi-0006E9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:37:55 +0000 Message-ID: <3C6044BF.6CE006E5@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:46:55 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: psk31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: DK8KW/Geri solid copy on psk31 at 2035 utc in qso with all the others in my previous message. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5792 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 20:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 20:40:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20727 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 20:40:27 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 20:40:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCHL-0005k0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:33:23 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YCHK-0005jT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:33:22 +0000 Received: from ldsas05-69-120-219.cw-visp.com ([212.137.120.219] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16YC20-0004j5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:17:33 +0000 Message-ID: <3C604065.65F84EEF@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:28:22 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: psk31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Reports tonight on psk31 M0BMU - very strong and solid copy gave Wolf 549 at 2010 utc approx DF0WD - audible and solid copy gave Jim 569 G4JNT - barely audible and I just got the odd word, Jim gave him 589. I hope you find the reports useful de MAL/G3KEV/IO94SH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20399 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 19:23:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 19:23:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9242 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 19:23:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 19:23:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YB5G-0005aH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:16:50 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.136]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YB5E-0005a9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:16:48 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p246.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.200.174]) by smtp1.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g15JFsU01927 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:15:54 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200202051915.g15JFsU01927@smtp1.wanadoo.nl> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:16:18 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: CFH X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] X-FoxAttach: C:\My Documents\CFH5FEB.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080308090507000806020906" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080308090507000806020906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 2/5/02 6:24:00 PM, you wrote: > CFH is roaring in again here all day, and very strong at present, >maybe good for >TA tonight. Is anyone else able to hear it ? >de G3KEV Mal.. CFH is very visible, audible at times. 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Received: (qmail 334 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:41:18 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:41:18 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YAVK-0005T8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:39:42 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YAVH-0005Ss-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:39:39 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id l.ff.1345c2dd (4012) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:38:15 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:38:15 EST Subject: Re: LF: PSK31 Tests To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jim and group,

I will be listening for you later and -if WX permits- try to answer from DF0WD.
The local noise at my home location is horrible, an ugly mixture of moving and fixed carriers spaced 50 Hz.

Hope to c u later,
73 Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26715 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:35:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:35:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24466 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:35:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:35:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YAJw-0005Pf-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:27:56 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YAJw-0005Pa-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:27:56 +0000 Received: from ldsas13-77-128-148.cw-visp.com ([212.137.128.148] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16YA7z-0004z7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:15:36 +0000 Message-ID: <3C602371.88451F5B@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:24:49 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: CFH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: CFH is roaring in again here all day, and very strong at present, maybe good for TA tonight. Is anyone else able to hear it ? de G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26078 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:34:58 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:34:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24109 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:34:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YAGo-0005PT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:24:42 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YAGn-0005PO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:24:41 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16YAFz-0007n4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:23:52 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16YAFz-0006D5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:23:51 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020205181516.02d65d28@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:21:28 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: PSK31 Tests In-reply-to: <3C60118A.B2837322@diolog.de> References: <4595249.1012931040360.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 18:08 05/02/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I'll be listening, too, but no possibility to transmit in PSK31 here! > > >73, Fabian dj1yfk (wl be stby in the DX-cluster and Packet-Convers channel >136) > >John Sexton schrieb: > > > Hi Jim, > > I have receive capability for PSK31. So will be listening out. > > 73 John, G4CNN OK, thanks & good luck John & Fabian, but I don't currently have internet or packet at home, so will have to respond tomorrow. I will listen on the frequency if anyone wants to call me in CW for a "cross-mode" QSO. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10128 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:10:46 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6091 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:10:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:10:46 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YA1j-0005MX-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:09:07 +0000 Received: from mout03.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.218]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16YA1i-0005MS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:09:06 +0000 Received: from [195.20.224.219] (helo=mrvdom03.kundenserver.de) by mout03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16YA0p-0003KY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:08:11 +0100 Received: from pc19f590d.dip.t-dialin.net ([193.159.89.13] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdom03.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16YA0n-0006Gd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:08:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3C60118A.B2837322@diolog.de> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:08:26 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: PSK31 Tests References: <4595249.1012931040360.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I'll be listening, too, but no possibility to transmit in PSK31 here! 73, Fabian dj1yfk (wl be stby in the DX-cluster and Packet-Convers channel 136) John Sexton schrieb: > Hi Jim, > I have receive capability for PSK31. So will be listening out. > 73 John, G4CNN > > -----Original Message----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Tue Feb 05 07:04:06 PST 2002 > Subject: LF: PSK31 Tests > > >Dear LF Group,> > >After repairing some damage after the weekend gales, and resolving a few > >teething problems, I have now got PSK31 capability up and running on my > >136kHz TX. I hope to try some tests this evening around 137.5kHz, so if > >anyone is interested or would like to try a sked please let me know. > > > >Cheers, Jim Moritz > >73 de M0BMU > > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > GO.com Mail > Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22559 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:04:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:04:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24861 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 18:04:11 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 18:04:11 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y9uy-0005KY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:02:08 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y9ux-0005KT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:02:07 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Y9u8-0007Lj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:01:16 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Y9u8-0005kr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:01:16 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020205175358.00aac818@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:58:52 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: PSK31 Tests In-reply-to: <200202051241_MC3-F0D9-41FF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 12:40 05/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Jim, > >I would love to give it a try tonight. What time is suitable for you? Maybe >we should move to 137.450 kHz to avoid the people testing Jason. Dear Geri, LF Group, OK, then - I should be able to be QRV for a few hours from about 2000utc. I will try 137.450kHz. Hope to CUL, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6238 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:56:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:56:23 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24491 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:56:24 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:56:24 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y9g9-0005FG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:46:49 +0000 Received: from [204.202.140.199] (helo=webmailmta.go.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y9g7-0005FB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:46:48 +0000 Received: from gomailjtp05 ([10.212.0.165]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GR200177MKJZ5@mta07.seamail.go.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:43:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: "John Sexton" Subject: Re: LF: PSK31 Tests To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <4595249.1012931040360.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp05> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Jim, I have receive capability for PSK31. So will be listening out. 73 John, G4CNN -----Original Message----- From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue Feb 05 07:04:06 PST 2002 Subject: LF: PSK31 Tests >Dear LF Group,> >After repairing some damage after the weekend gales, and resolving a few >teething problems, I have now got PSK31 capability up and running on my >136kHz TX. I hope to try some tests this evening around 137.5kHz, so if >anyone is interested or would like to try a sked please let me know. > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU > > ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20422 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:49:26 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 10781 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 17:49:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 17:49:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y9c9-0005F1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:42:41 +0000 Received: from siaag2ad.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.134]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y9c7-0005Ew-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:42:40 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id MAA22978 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:41:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:40:51 -0500 From: "'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: PSK31 Tests To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202051241_MC3-F0D9-41FF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Jim, I would love to give it a try tonight. What time is suitable for you? Maybe we should move to 137.450 kHz to avoid the people testing Jason. >Dear LF Group, >After repairing some damage after the weekend gales, and resolving a few >teething problems, I have now got PSK31 capability up and running on my >136kHz TX. I hope to try some tests this evening around 137.5kHz, so if >anyone is interested or would like to try a sked please let me know. > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU< I would love to give it a try tonight. What time is suitable for you? Maybe we should move to 137.450 kHz to avoid the people testing Jason. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) P.S.: I hope I can transmit, I have seen some flashover between one of my top-radials and my 5-ele-HF beam ... my rotor is broken, so the beam is swinging around due to the wind ... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17341 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 16:30:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 16:30:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8276 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 16:30:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 16:30:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y8QD-00053I-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:26:17 +0000 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.7]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y8QC-00053D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:26:16 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id l.29.221abc58 (3989) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:25:16 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <29.221abc58.2991616c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:25:16 EST Subject: Re: LF: Off topic-"Hamfest" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Mike,

The HAM Radio in Friedrichshafen this year is from June 28 to 30.
If you consider going there, it's a good idea to make hotel reservation early (or go camping on the banks of the Bodensee and let those mosquitos bite you :-).

73
Wolf DL4YHF.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16503 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 16:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 16:10:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 19347 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 16:10:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 16:10:22 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y7zF-0004xF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:58:25 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y7zE-0004x9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:58:24 +0000 Received: from boxernet.demon.co.uk ([194.222.47.214] helo=scooby) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Y7yK-0000cJ-0V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:57:29 +0000 From: "Mike Probert" To: "lf group" Subject: LF: Off topic-"Hamfest" Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:56:57 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: To our DL friends, Can someone kindly tell me the date of the "hamfest" in FRIEDRICHSHAFEN this year? Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Mike GW4HXO. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21692 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 15:21:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 15:21:05 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 3915 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 15:20:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 15:20:57 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y7Br-0004pW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:07:23 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y7Bq-0004pR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:07:23 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Y7B3-0007n9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:06:33 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Y7Az-0000SO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:06:29 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020205145718.00b09d28@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:04:06 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: LF: PSK31 Tests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, After repairing some damage after the weekend gales, and resolving a few teething problems, I have now got PSK31 capability up and running on my 136kHz TX. I hope to try some tests this evening around 137.5kHz, so if anyone is interested or would like to try a sked please let me know. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6726 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 10:15:56 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 10:15:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20657 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2002 10:15:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Feb 2002 10:15:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y2P0-0004Hz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:00:38 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Y2Oz-0004Hs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:00:37 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g159xFD0092682 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:59:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020205105532.391f818a@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:55:32 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: LF. Ground In-reply-to: <000501c1abe8$7efa9bc0$68c928c3@erica> References: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Peter, probably depends on how much chalk in the soil. I don't have data on chalk but since the dielectric constant of most other types of soil is in the range of 10-15 (relative dielectric constant), this value might be a good guess. For conductivity there is much more variation, from 500mS/m (loam) downto 0.01mS/m (dry sand). 73, Rik ON7YD At 12:51 2/02/02 -0000, you wrote: >Does anyone know the approximate conductivity (mS/m) and dielectric >constant of chalky soil? > >Regards, >Peter, G3LDO > >e-mail > >Web > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25146 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 19:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 19:05:14 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17266 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 19:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 19:05:14 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XoM8-0002pr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:00:44 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XoM7-0002pm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:00:43 +0000 Received: from ldsas20-84-135-110.cw-visp.com ([212.137.135.110] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16XoAB-0000fe-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:48:23 +0000 Message-ID: <3C5EBB68.73737BD2@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:48:41 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QRSS...... Giulio References: <001b01c1ad07$bc7bf0a0$6241073e@default> <3C5E75D7.B3018236@diolog.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Fabian Kurz wrote: > > I can often see traces of weak CW stations which are not read in the UK, but > > which would be 'O' copy on QRSS even at 3 sec dots. Unfortunately QRSS got a > > lot of 'bad press' about a year ago and many stopped sending it, maybe it > > has 'come in from the cold' with the successes across the 'pond' and will > > become used more often now. > > Anyone wants to try a sked with me in QRSS? I already reached all the stations > that can hear me in normal-CW (with my ca. 10mW ERP), but guess there is still a > lot to work in QRSS. > Just drop me a line .. dj1yfk@darc.de Hello Fabian. We have worked before xband 136/7025 khz normal cw but I will QAP for you. What QRG and QTR ? I can reply either on normal cw or QRS Try tonight if you like. de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH > > > 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27170 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 16:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 16:52:47 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 13872 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 16:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 16:52:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xm9K-0002Ym-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:39:22 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xm9K-0002Yh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:39:22 +0000 Received: from ldsas17-81-132-207.cw-visp.com ([212.137.132.207] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16XlxN-000046-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:27:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3C5EB5C1.5B179E93@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:24:33 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 136 References: <3C5DF357.806A9E4E@ns.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: john currie wrote: > Hi all , as said last week lost one of my verticals. Need one for HF > work so now QRT on 136. Have 2 feet snow in backyard so won't get > second vert back until april or May Saw nil this past week Sorry to hear the bad news John and as a result the curtailment of your LF activities. Thanks for the numerous xband QSO'S 136/7025 khz both last year and this year and especially the evening that we made 4 solid QSO'S in succession varying from 60 sec dot down to 2 sec dot and almost made it at 1 sec dot hand sent but for the qrm that started up at your end and the ARGO limitations at this fast speed hi. If the snow melts fast you might even get the vertical up again this year, if not hope to see you later on in the year and maybe try some summer QSO'S. Condx on 40 metres excellent over the w/end, heard some vy strong VE and W stns early in the evening, when looking out for LF/HF xband acty. 73 and again tnx de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough > > 73 all De John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4239 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 14:45:41 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 14:45:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 28735 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 14:45:42 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 14:45:42 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XkHi-0002Hw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:39:54 +0000 Received: from ns3.swh.sk ([192.108.125.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XkHe-0002Hr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:39:53 +0000 Received: from hermes.swh.sk (hermes.swh.sk [192.108.125.60]) by ns3.swh.sk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g14EcZ703698 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:38:35 +0100 Received: from btss101a.swh.sk (btss.swh.sk [139.24.136.15]) by hermes.swh.sk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA23721 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:38:27 +0100 (MET) Received: by btss.swh.sk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:38:25 +0100 Message-ID: <29BDD4F529FCD311B631009027357C4E0333C1EC@btss103a.swh.sk> From: "Gasparik Richard" To: "Rsgb_Lf_Group \(E-mail\)" Subject: LF: Last weekend... Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:38:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi LF-ers... Another nice weekend. I have worked Laurie G3AQC on CW (for the first time CW) and Uli DJ9IE (new station for me) for the first time. A lot of activity on CW. Also worked Wolf DF0WD with nice signal. Mal G3KEV strong as usual. I lost some informations from my loogbook about answered QSL cards...anybody needs my QSL ? Please let me know. I'll send it immediately. 73 de Rich OM2TW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 304 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 13:17:43 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 13:17:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 8984 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 13:17:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 13:17:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xip5-00026U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:06:15 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xip4-00026P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:06:15 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16XioG-0003ir-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:05:24 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16XioG-0007fo-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:05:24 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204125810.00ae8de0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:03:01 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jason options... In-reply-to: <3C5D50DE.9E6F92A0@usa.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128115929.00ab3b90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129144512.02f80bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129174706.00abd840@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3C57BC78.401BE34A@usa.net> <006a01c1ac36$0dfd4c80$a09a17d2@steve> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Steve, Alberto, At 16:01 03/02/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > One question - I have trouble in using the Options menu in Jason. When I > > try to access the "centre frequency" and "tx multiplier..." options the > > program locks-up and I have to end the task via the ctrl-alt-del three > > finger salute. Nobody else has reported this as far as I can see, so I > > must be doing something wrong. I had the same problem the first time I ran Jason on 2 different PCs - at the time I put it down to finger trouble on my part, and I have never had it happen since. Perhaps it only happens the first time the software runs! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1555 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 12:55:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 12:55:42 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7529 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 12:55:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 12:55:41 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xibz-00022T-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:52:43 +0000 Received: from mout02.kundenserver.de ([195.20.224.133]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xiby-00022O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:52:42 +0000 Received: from [172.19.20.61] (helo=mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de) by mout02.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Xib7-0001ke-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:51:49 +0100 Received: from pd9014a40.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.1.74.64] helo=diolog.de) by mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16Xib3-0006ZS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:51:46 +0100 Message-ID: <3C5E75D7.B3018236@diolog.de> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:51:51 +0100 From: "Fabian Kurz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: QRSS...... Giulio References: <001b01c1ad07$bc7bf0a0$6241073e@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > I can often see traces of weak CW stations which are not read in the UK, but > which would be 'O' copy on QRSS even at 3 sec dots. Unfortunately QRSS got a > lot of 'bad press' about a year ago and many stopped sending it, maybe it > has 'come in from the cold' with the successes across the 'pond' and will > become used more often now. Anyone wants to try a sked with me in QRSS? I already reached all the stations that can hear me in normal-CW (with my ca. 10mW ERP), but guess there is still a lot to work in QRSS. Just drop me a line .. dj1yfk@darc.de 73, Fabian dj1yfk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15900 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 12:10:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 12:10:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7887 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 12:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 12:10:25 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xhui-0001x5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:08:00 +0000 Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com ([32.97.136.227]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Xhuh-0001x0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:07:59 +0000 Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA105160 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:02:29 -0600 Received: from usa.net (ss5.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.70]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO/VER6.00) with ESMTP id g14C76Z33084 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:07:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5E794B.81B65679@usa.net> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:06:35 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Frequency standards for LF. The next generation References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB9983@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> <000201c1abc6$0ede2b80$e09a17d2@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > > For anyone who wants to have a go and duplicate the design, I will supply > a > > copy of the circuit, a PCB layout and the PIC software on request. There I could also make use of a copy of the circuit, thanks for the offer Andy. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22677 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 10:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 10:58:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29193 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 10:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 10:58:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XgbK-0001ki-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:43:54 +0000 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.215]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XgbJ-0001kd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:43:53 +0000 Received: from modem-27.ekkaia.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.177.27] helo=g3aqc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16XgaV-0004rT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:43:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c1ad68$d594fe40$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C5DF357.806A9E4E@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: 136 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:43:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Subject: LF: 136 Also sorry to hear about you vertical, thanks for being there and X band contact. Hope to see you later,or next season. 73s Laurie. > Hi all , as said last week lost one of my verticals. Need one for HF > work so now QRT on 136. Have 2 feet snow in backyard so won't get > second vert back until april or May Saw nil this past week > 73 all De John VE1ZJ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1925 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 23:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 23:12:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14540 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 23:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 23:12:51 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XVle-0000ZE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:09:50 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XVld-0000Z9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:09:49 +0000 Received: from host62-7-65-98.dial.btopenworld.com ([62.7.65.98] helo=default) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16XVkp-0002fL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:09:00 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c1ad07$bc7bf0a0$6241073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: QRSS...... Giulio Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:01:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Giulio, I am listening most days all days with a waterfall running, usually Argo. It can be difficult in the UK as we have some many very strong stations if someone starts up on QRSS in the top porion of the band. I have given reports when often no QSOs have materialised (I have no TX yet). I will send a DX Cluster to your call at 137 tonight to see it it will reach you local node. My node spots will reach most European nodes. I copied Marco 2 years ago with him running just 10 watts to his antenna useing 60 sec DFCW, using Spectran. I do have some more local interference than in the past but hopefully QRSS will cut through that. I can often see traces of weak CW stations which are not read in the UK, but which would be 'O' copy on QRSS even at 3 sec dots. Unfortunately QRSS got a lot of 'bad press' about a year ago and many stopped sending it, maybe it has 'come in from the cold' with the successes across the 'pond' and will become used more often now. Cheers and good DX de Alan G3NYK JO02PB alan.melia@btinternet.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26474 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 22:18:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 22:18:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 1661 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 22:18:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 22:18:17 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XUvQ-0000T2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:15:52 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XUvP-0000Sx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:15:51 +0000 Received: from host217-34-95-10.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.10] helo=dellboy) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16XUub-0004Pg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:15:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c1ad00$3d36eea0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3C5DF357.806A9E4E@ns.sympatico.ca> Subject: LF: Re: 136 Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:15:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Sorry to hear about the antenna John. No snow here, just wind and rain :-( Thanks for all your work on LF this winter 73. Dave G3YXM. > Hi all , as said last week lost one of my verticals. Need one for HF > work so now QRT on 136. Have 2 feet snow in backyard so won't get > second vert back until april or May Saw nil this past week > 73 all De John VE1ZJ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19052 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 21:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 21:44:33 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21803 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 21:44:32 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 21:44:32 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XUNT-0000Ne-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:40:47 +0000 Received: from smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.91] helo=mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XUNS-0000NT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:40:46 +0000 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.9.18]) by mail-ns01s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:36:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3C5DF357.806A9E4E@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 21:35:04 -0500 From: "john currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: 136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all , as said last week lost one of my verticals. Need one for HF work so now QRT on 136. Have 2 feet snow in backyard so won't get second vert back until april or May Saw nil this past week 73 all De John VE1ZJ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20760 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 20:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 20:45:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 3241 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 20:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 20:45:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XTPv-0000Em-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:39:15 +0000 Received: from [195.120.73.201] (helo=netregister.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XTPt-0000Eh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:39:14 +0000 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia08.phoenix.it [213.82.97.72]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g13KcJf03966 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:38:19 +0100 Message-ID: <003b01c19936$86d87160$486152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128115929.00ab3b90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129144512.02f80bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129174706.00abd840@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3C57BC78.401BE34A@usa.net> <006a01c1ac36$0dfd4c80$a09a17d2@steve> <001001c1ac6b$a570dd40$0300a8c0@charter.net> <3C5D7D7C.91BD72B3@usa.net> Subject: LF: Re: This Sunday afternoon Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:53:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060504050304090509030506" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060504050304090509030506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Alberto wrote:
 
 
Good copy of Cesare I5TGC in DFCW :

and of Giulio IK2DED in QRSS3 :

as of now (18:00 UTC) no answers.

73  Alberto  I2PHD  

 

Yes Alberto the problem is "no answer".

I am looking that there isn't activity in QRSS al 137.7 KHz, also looking on packet cluster i can see that the 90% of spot are for aural cw around 136.5 KHz.

Also speacking with Cesare seems that the activity is much reduced on QRSS in this last mounths.

In 3 weeks of checking activity at 137.7, i have logged only:

G3AQC rx

I5TGC 559/559

IK5ZPV 559/599

OM2TW rx

DL3FDO rx

M0BMU in Jason rx

I do not think that is my reception problem, beacouse the same is for Cesare.

So hope in more activity in QRSS for all the little - medium station like me.

73 to all and see you on the band.

Giulio IK2DED.

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charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello group,

There was good activity on 136kHz at the weekend, heard a lot of stations and worked a few.

Beautiful weather with sunny blue sky and almost +18°C, so not much time spent in the shack. So i was very pleased to work Rich OM2TW in CW again.
Also heard IK5ZPV with an amazingly clear signal on early sunday evening hour (until someone turned the TV on and the fun was gone, only Geri made it through afterwards).
I called Valerio in CW, he got the "DF0" after some attempts and asked me to return in QRSS, but I wasn't equipped for it at DF0WD and my hand-generated 'QRSS' sounded too dreadful so I gave up early (maybe time to modiy the PIC-keyer to play messages from memory in QRSS ?).

If IK5ZPV is on this reflector:
Valerio, I think you are QRV in Jason so if possible let's try next weekend. A simple calling-schedule for the "de-facto-Jason-calling-frequency" (137.52): CQ-calls between the full hour until 10 min's after, then 10 min listening period and so on.
Thanks in advance.

Now I hope everyone gets his full-size antenna up again very soon - though even of  wire can do a nice job (wouldn't have noticed that Dave used a 'backup-antenna' if he had not told me).

73, Wolf
 DL4YHF // DF0WD   Loc: JO42FD    ERP: ~80 mW




From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28522 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 18:33:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 18:33:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22633 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 18:32:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 18:32:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XRQD-00001L-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:31:25 +0000 Received: from d06lmsgate-4.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.4]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XRQC-00001G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:31:24 +0000 Received: from d06relay02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06relay02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.166.84.148]) by d06lmsgate-4.uk.ibm.COM (1.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA124048 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:16:51 GMT Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by d06relay02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id g13IRMx222294 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:27:22 GMT Message-ID: <3C5D81AF.E12881BD@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:30:07 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: New Jason record References: <3C519398.2BC83A1F@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by d06lmsgate-4.uk.ibm.COM id SAA124048 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: On February 2nd, Lyle Koehler, KŘLR, has received the 1W RF beacon of Dexter McIntyre W4DEX at a distance of 1035 miles (1666 km) operating in Jason mode. Screen shots here : http://www.gostanly.com/w4dex/ Congratulations to both Dex and Lyle ! 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9421 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 18:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 18:19:51 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11167 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 18:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 18:19:48 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XR8s-0008V4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:13:30 +0000 Received: from d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com ([195.212.29.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XR8q-0008Uz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:13:28 +0000 Received: from d06relay02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06relay02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.166.84.148]) by d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.COM (1.0.0) with ESMTP id RAA121406 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:49:46 GMT Received: from usa.net (ss9.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.75]) by d06relay02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id g13I9Rx162314 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:09:27 GMT Message-ID: <3C5D7D7C.91BD72B3@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 19:12:12 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: This Sunday afternoon References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128115929.00ab3b90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129144512.02f80bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129174706.00abd840@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3C57BC78.401BE34A@usa.net> <006a01c1ac36$0dfd4c80$a09a17d2@steve> <001001c1ac6b$a570dd40$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080905070504010105080607" Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080905070504010105080607 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good copy of Cesare I5TGC in DFCW :

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73  Alberto  I2PHD
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3 Feb 2002 15:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 15:27:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18028 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 15:27:22 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 15:27:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XOOb-0008EK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:17:33 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XOOZ-0008EB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:17:32 +0000 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA461766; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:13:04 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss6.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.71]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id g13FG8839652; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5D5425.D8CCC44C@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:15:49 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MarkusVester@aol.com Cc: "LF Mailing List" Subject: LF: Re: Jason options... References: <24.204c7733.298dd4b7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > You can also enter fractional > numbers, and (at least on my German computer) the separator had to be a comma > (e.g. 0,25), not a dot (0.25). The TX multiplier can be set to less than 1 > giving narrower bandwidth, however there is no way to change the receive > channel spacing. > > It's quite possible to have Jason transmitting and watch it's audio output on > Argo, both running simultaneously on the same computer (P II 233 MHz). You > only have to stop Argo before receiving with Jason. > Hello Markus, the TX multiplier is meant to compensate for a TX that converts the audio output of Jason to the desired frequency, performing in this process multiplications (or divisions) that would otherwise alter the natural frequency deltas used in the coding scheme of Jason. So there is no need for an equivalent adjustment of the receive channel spacing. The need for a dot or a comma as fractional separator is dictated by the settings of your Windows installation. Germany (and many other European countries) uses the comma, while UK and the States use the dot. If you haven't noticed yet, also the time of the day displayed by Jason uses the 24- or 12-hour format (complete with AM / PM) depending on the country you are in. If you use a sound card which adheres to the AC97 standard, you can have multiple applications using the sound I/O simultaneously. In such case you wouldn't have to stop Argo before putting Jason into receive mode. Quite useful for testing.... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27100 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 15:10:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 15:10:35 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 4408 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 15:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 15:10:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XOB6-0008Cw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:03:36 +0000 Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XOB4-0008Cr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:03:35 +0000 Received: from northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (northrelay01.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.21]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA204816 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:59:05 -0500 Received: from usa.net (ss6.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.71]) by northrelay01.pok.ibm.com (8.11.1m3/NCO v5.01) with ESMTP id g13F298142590 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:02:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5D50DE.9E6F92A0@usa.net> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:01:50 +0100 From: "Alberto di Bene" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Jason options... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128115929.00ab3b90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129144512.02f80bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129174706.00abd840@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3C57BC78.401BE34A@usa.net> <006a01c1ac36$0dfd4c80$a09a17d2@steve> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Olney wrote: > One question - I have trouble in using the Options menu in Jason. When I > try to access the "centre frequency" and "tx multiplier..." options the > program locks-up and I have to end the task via the ctrl-alt-del three > finger salute. Nobody else has reported this as far as I can see, so I > must be doing something wrong. Hello Steve, thank you for publishing on your pages your ideas about a possible signalling scheme that used the value of the frequency shift wrt the previous tone. This gave me the idea of writing Jason. About what you ask, I am afraid I have no answer, unless Markus is right, and you tried to click on the icons instead of the "Ok" and the "Cancel" buttons. If this is not the case, please contact me again with a bit more details on your environment (version of Windows, PC used, etc.) BTW, Markus, those icons are not eagleheads, but they represent the head of the he-goat that carried the Golden Fleece... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3711 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 00:31:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 00:31:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5932 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 00:31:28 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 00:31:28 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XAXZ-0006z3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:29:53 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XAXY-0006yy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:29:52 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:29:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5C8451.718CD96B@att.net> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:29:05 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF Good Propagation? References: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <3C5B259E.55060950@att.net> <3C5C7E74.AA3F7FB0@netscapeonline.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mal, I've been watching .922 since 2200 hrs. No trace of signal seen. Local LF conditions appear to be great and the QRN is low but no TA signals. Dex gii3kev wrote: > > "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" wrote: > > > > > Hello Dexter > I am now txing on 135.922 khz if you are listening, time 0002 utc 60 sec > dot. > > > also txing and listening on 7025 khz. Can hear some W stns so condx ok to > > the USA > > Hope u can hear/see me hi de Mal/G3KEV > 0005 UTC/03-02-2002 > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17608 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 00:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 00:20:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5752 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 00:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 00:20:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XAJM-0006vz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:15:12 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XAJM-0006vu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:15:12 +0000 Received: from ldsas07-71-122-115.cw-visp.com ([212.137.122.115] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16XA7S-00049v-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:02:55 +0000 Message-ID: <3C5C80B0.C22BF458@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:13:37 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Nil again in MA References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128115929.00ab3b90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129144512.02f80bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129174706.00abd840@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3C57BC78.401BE34A@usa.net> <006a01c1ac36$0dfd4c80$a09a17d2@steve> <001001c1ac6b$a570dd40$0300a8c0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John Andrews wrote: > Nothing seen again tonight, 2200 - 2330, from 135.921 - 135.924. > > John Andrews, W1TAG Hello John Txing at present 0005 utc, 60 sec dot, 135.922 khz, date 03/02/2002 Tnx for listening/watching. Can see a couple of others around the freq. Stormy again tonight but antenna system stable so far. tnx de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29861 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 00:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 00:11:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 428 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 00:11:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 00:11:08 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XACZ-0006uh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:08:11 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16XACY-0006uc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:08:10 +0000 Received: from ldsas03-67-118-64.cw-visp.com ([212.137.118.64] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16XA0Z-0003rN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 23:55:47 +0000 Message-ID: <3C5C7E74.AA3F7FB0@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:04:04 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF Good Propagation? References: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <3C5B259E.55060950@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" wrote: > Hello Dexter I am now txing on 135.922 khz if you are listening, time 0002 utc 60 sec dot. > also txing and listening on 7025 khz. Can hear some W stns so condx ok to > the USA Hope u can hear/see me hi de Mal/G3KEV 0005 UTC/03-02-2002 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25036 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 23:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 23:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 8466 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 23:34:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 23:34:47 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X9e4-0006m1-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 23:32:32 +0000 Received: from dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.17] helo=dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X9e3-0006lw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 23:32:31 +0000 Received: from [66.189.120.66] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 3713935 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:44:19 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c1ac6b$a570dd40$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128115929.00ab3b90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129144512.02f80bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129174706.00abd840@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3C57BC78.401BE34A@usa.net> <006a01c1ac36$0dfd4c80$a09a17d2@steve> Subject: LF: Nil again in MA Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:31:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nothing seen again tonight, 2200 - 2330, from 135.921 - 135.924. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6757 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 22:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 22:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 4527 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 22:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 22:10:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X8K8-0006eg-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:07:52 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X8K7-0006eb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:07:51 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp160.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.160]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA05710 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:06:58 +1100 Message-ID: <006a01c1ac36$0dfd4c80$a09a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020128115929.00ab3b90@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129144512.02f80bf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020129174706.00abd840@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3C57BC78.401BE34A@usa.net> Subject: LF: Jason options... Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 09:07:37 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Alberto, Congratulations on Jason. It is pleasing to see my IFK idea being brought to practicality. I have neither the skill or time to do so. One question - I have trouble in using the Options menu in Jason. When I try to access the "centre frequency" and "tx multiplier..." options the program locks-up and I have to end the task via the ctrl-alt-del three finger salute. Nobody else has reported this as far as I can see, so I must be doing something wrong. Steve VK2ZTO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19078 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 20:48:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 20:48:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26736 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 20:48:00 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 20:48:00 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X71p-0006Vj-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:44:53 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X71o-0006Ve-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:44:52 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-171.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.171] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16X6pu-000602-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:32:35 +0000 Message-ID: <3C5C4F59.E492C4A3@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:43:05 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: TA tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I will TX tonight for propagation test on a clear freq around 135.922 khz. Will also listen on 7025 khz for poss xband qso. All reports welcome from across the pond. Will start around 2200 utc until about 0100 utc approx. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5520 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 18:53:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 18:53:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 14383 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 18:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 18:53:30 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X5CU-0006IA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:47:46 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X5CT-0006I5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:47:45 +0000 Received: from fwd09.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16X5Bf-0004HT-06; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 19:46:55 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.159]) by fwd09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16X5BV-0fcQwiC; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:46:45 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB9983@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> <000201c1abc6$0ede2b80$e09a17d2@steve> Subject: LF: Re: Frequency standards for LF. The next g eneration X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:46:45 +0100 Message-ID: <16X5BV-0fcQwiC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Steve Olney schrieb: > G'day Andy, > > > > > For anyone who wants to have a go and duplicate the design, I will supply > a > > copy of the circuit, a PCB layout and the PIC software on request. There > > > > I would appreciate just a copy of the circuit please. > > Thanks. Hi Andy, so do I, only the circuit pse. tks Uwe / dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1975 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 18:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 18:41:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 588 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 18:40:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 18:40:58 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X500-0006GR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:34:52 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X500-0006GM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:34:52 +0000 Received: from ldsas12-76-127-226.cw-visp.com ([212.137.127.226] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16X4o6-0000Zb-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:22:34 +0000 Message-ID: <3C5C30DC.42DB4566@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:33:00 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: acty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Heard OM2TW and DF0WD in QSO earlier today, both good signals, then wkd IK5ZPV also a very good signal, this in spite of the severe gales, winds gusting at over 80 mph at times, fortunately the antennas gave no trouble. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18245 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 14:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 14:56:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22719 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 14:56:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 14:56:37 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X1Wk-0005u0-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:52:26 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X1Wk-0005tv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:52:26 +0000 Received: from host217-34-95-10.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.34.95.10] helo=dellboy) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16X1Vw-0004dn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:51:36 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c1abf9$21428ae0$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" Subject: LF: New DDS design Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:51:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear All.
 
If you can't get to grips with PIC chips and surface-mount technology but still need a stable VFO for 136, try this.
It's a hardware DDS by Pavel, OK1DX, built with 74HC series chips covering the band in 256 10Hz steps.
You could easily pull the master oscillator to make DFCW.
 
Have a look at:
 
My Vero-board lash-up works a treat!
 
73
Dave
G3YXM.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29125 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 13:54:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22423 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 13:54:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 13:54:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X0aY-0005mD-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:52:18 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.138]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X0aX-0005m8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:52:17 +0000 Received: from nl9222 (p611.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.201.139]) by smtp2.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g12DpQJ29224 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:51:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <200202021351.g12DpQJ29224@smtp2.wanadoo.nl> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:51:47 +0000 From: "Ko Versteeg" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: JASON X-Mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 2/2/02 12:42:00 PM, you wrote: >Hi All, >I saw some Jason last night at 0000utc about, freq.135.950 about ! >Unable to resolve not knowing the center freq.Pretty strong signal though. >Would it be a good ides to have a number of Jason frequencies otherwise >a casual QSO very difficult. Just a thought. 73s Laurie. > Laurie and all.. You must have seen OH1TN's signals. He was audible all the time and visible on Jason ofcourse ;-) 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24671 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 13:52:19 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 13:52:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11523 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 13:52:15 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 13:52:15 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X0UQ-0005lY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:45:58 +0000 Received: from tomts12.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.56] helo=tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16X0UP-0005lT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:45:57 +0000 Received: from server1.sympatico.ca ([216.209.110.37]) by tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020202134505.IOLS9396.tomts12-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1.sympatico.ca>; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:45:05 -0500 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020202084400.00a683d0@POP2.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1aemm59@POP2.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:44:56 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Larry Kayser" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Frequency standards for LF. The next g eneration In-reply-to: <000201c1abc6$0ede2b80$e09a17d2@steve> References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB9983@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >SteveL >I would appreciate just a copy of the circuit please. > >Thanks. > >73s Steve Olney If you go ahead with it Steve, I would like to share in PC costs. Larry VA3LK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9090 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 12:52:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 12:52:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 21158 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 12:52:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 12:52:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wzby-0005eI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:49:42 +0000 Received: from latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net ([195.40.1.40]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wzbx-0005eD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:49:41 +0000 Received: from erica (tnt-6-104.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.104]) by latimer.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5945C54A3B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:48:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000501c1abe8$7efa9bc0$68c928c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Subject: LF: LF. Ground Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:51:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Does anyone know the approximate conductivity (mS/m) and dielectric constant of chalky soil? Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8412 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 12:47:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 12:47:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 16134 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 12:47:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 12:47:10 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WzWd-0005dS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:44:11 +0000 Received: from imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.181]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WzWc-0005dN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:44:10 +0000 Received: from modem-111.annael.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.115.111] helo=g3aqc) by imailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16WzVo-0004Vx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:43:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1abe7$4c8404c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: JASON Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:42:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All,
I saw some Jason last night at 0000utc about, freq.135.950 about !
Unable to resolve not knowing the center freq.Pretty strong signal though.
Would it be a good ides to have a number of Jason frequencies otherwise
a casual QSO very difficult. Just a thought.  73s Laurie.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3446 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 08:55:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 08:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 15732 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 08:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 08:55:07 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WvrY-0005EG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:49:32 +0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.18]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WvrX-0005E9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:49:31 +0000 Received: from modem-114.dagorlad.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.151.114] helo=g3aqc) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Wvqg-0001Fi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:48:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1abc6$83250400$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. Good propagation Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:48:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Dex,John,Steve,
Not so good!!!
Thanks for looking.
73s Laurie.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21201 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 08:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 08:53:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 15025 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 08:53:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 08:53:30 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wvpu-0005E2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:47:50 +0000 Received: from ns1.connectfree.co.uk ([212.1.130.32]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wvpt-0005Dx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:47:49 +0000 Received: from [212.1.143.174] (helo=dave) by ns1.connectfree.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Wvum-00006K-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:52:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c1abc6$a175a2c0$ae8f01d4@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" References: <3C59C469.D5BF9684@alg.demon.co.uk> Subject: LF: Antenna down at G6RO Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:15:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I have received a message via GW4ALG from Ron G6RO to say that the strong winds of this week resulted in damage to his LF antenna, and Ron is currently QRT on 136 kHz. He will repair his antenna system as soon as possible, but we are not sure when the work is likely to be completed. No damage at my QTH apart from fence panels, however the QRM from my neighbours TV has got much worse and the band is unusable during much of the waking hours. My neighbour is off sick at the moment, hopefully the situation will improve when he is back at work. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19523 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 08:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 08:52:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14276 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 08:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 08:52:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wvo9-0005Do-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:46:01 +0000 Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au ([203.26.10.16]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wvo8-0005Dj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:46:00 +0000 Received: from steve (ppp224.dyn154.pacific.net.au [210.23.154.224]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06059 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:45:06 +1100 Message-ID: <000201c1abc6$0ede2b80$e09a17d2@steve> From: "Steve Olney" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB9983@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Frequency standards for LF. The next g eneration Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:48:50 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: G'day Andy, > > For anyone who wants to have a go and duplicate the design, I will supply a > copy of the circuit, a PCB layout and the PIC software on request. There > I would appreciate just a copy of the circuit please. Thanks. 73s Steve Olney (VK2ZTO/AXSO - QF56IK : Lat -33 34 07, Long +150 44 40) ============================================= HomePage URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~ollaneg Containing:- ULF, ELF, VLF & LF Experimentation MF 22m Experimentation InfraSonic Experimentation Laser Comms DX ============================================= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17235 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 01:29:35 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 01:29:35 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17496 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 01:29:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 01:29:31 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WoxB-0004YR-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:26:53 +0000 Received: from galahad.joust.net ([63.108.136.2] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WoxA-0004YM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:26:53 +0000 Received: from benny-hill (m4-138-105.joust.net [63.108.138.105]) by galahad.joust.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g121Q1412970 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:26:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200202020126.g121Q1412970@galahad.joust.net> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:24:43 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Steve Dove" Subject: Re: LF: LF Good Propagation? X-Mailer: Opera 5.02 build 856a X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nor here. 73, Steve 2/1/2002 6:47:19 PM, "John Andrews" wrote: >Laurie, et al: > >Nothing seen from 2300 to 2345 tonight. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16834 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:50:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 6049 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:50:20 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WnPs-0004K6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:48:24 +0000 Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.18] helo=dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WnPr-0004K1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:48:24 +0000 Received: from [66.189.49.72] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 3225672 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:47:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c1aba4$b21e4900$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> <3C5B259E.55060950@att.net> Subject: Re: LF: LF Good Propagation? Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:47:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Laurie, et al: Nothing seen from 2300 to 2345 tonight. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21728 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:35:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:35:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7354 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 23:35:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 23:35:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WnBg-0004I2-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:33:44 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WnBf-0004Hx-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:33:43 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:32:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5B259E.55060950@att.net> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:32:46 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre, W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF Good Propagation? References: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Nothing seen in NC Laurie. At 23:30 there is still some daylight here. This time last year when I first saw your signal it peaked around 01:00. 73, Dex > Laurie Mayhead wrote: > > Conditions on 80m are very good at present so I will try some 30sec. > DFCW > tonight from 2230 to 2330. Listening on 7030. 73s Laurie. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16372 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 22:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 22:48:52 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21620 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 22:48:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 22:48:50 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WmQc-0004CV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:45:06 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WmQb-0004CQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:45:05 +0000 Received: from fwd09.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16WmPn-0007X8-00; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:44:15 +0100 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.157.30.132]) by fwd09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16WmPi-0lI8UyC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:44:10 +0100 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> Subject: LF: F6BWO/OH5UFO X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:44:10 +0100 Message-ID: <16WmPi-0lI8UyC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, just now on 135.95kHz FB6BWO (-60dB) in qso with OH5UFO (-50dB), mode QRSS 3sec. regards Uwe/dj8wx jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15793 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 20:50:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 20:50:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 12734 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 20:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 20:50:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WkaY-00040X-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:47:14 +0000 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62] helo=snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WkaX-00040S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:47:13 +0000 Received: from sdn-ar-003florlap215.dialsprint.net ([168.191.91.129] helo=kd4wov) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WkZe-0005qV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:46:18 -0800 From: "Tom Tishken KD4WOV" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:44:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <000001c1ab53$7b3e4bc0$06c928c3@erica> Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Ahh I see, that must have been an awesome sight to behold. Did you get any pictures? -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of g3ldo Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:36 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna Tom Tishken KD4WOV said > One other note I just thought of. Here in the US displays for Tesla coils > must be in a shielded an environment, i.e. no radiation or EMI released from > the shielded enclosure. not sure if that was the case there or not. The smaller coils were demonstated in a darkened back room of the electricity hall, which is a metal building. The largest of these produced sparks about 12in (300mm) long. The large coils were used outside and fired up just as it was getting dark. All afternoon the site for this test was prepared by digging ditches for a cruciform shaped copper ground structure. These coils could produced sparks up to 6 to 8ft long. In fact there were sparks (more like lightning) everywhere. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27955 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 19:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 19:06:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 6260 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 19:06:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 19:06:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wixf-0003oZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:02:59 +0000 Received: from lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net ([195.40.1.37]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wixe-0003oU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:02:58 +0000 Received: from erica (tnt-6-6.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.6]) by lycee.ns.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 36C4F9CC2 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:02:08 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000001c1ab53$7b3e4bc0$06c928c3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:35:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Tom Tishken KD4WOV said > One other note I just thought of. Here in the US displays for Tesla coils > must be in a shielded an environment, i.e. no radiation or EMI released from > the shielded enclosure. not sure if that was the case there or not. The smaller coils were demonstated in a darkened back room of the electricity hall, which is a metal building. The largest of these produced sparks about 12in (300mm) long. The large coils were used outside and fired up just as it was getting dark. All afternoon the site for this test was prepared by digging ditches for a cruciform shaped copper ground structure. These coils could produced sparks up to 6 to 8ft long. In fact there were sparks (more like lightning) everywhere. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22552 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 18:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 18:33:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 2966 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 18:33:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 18:33:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WiMH-0003hz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:24:21 +0000 Received: from cobalt11-he.global.net.uk ([195.147.246.171]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WiMF-0003hu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:24:19 +0000 Received: from peas05a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.149.235] helo=drawing) by cobalt11-he.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 16WhoW-0002Qn-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:49:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c1ab4d$7a5aff60$eb9593c3@drawing> From: "David Sparvell" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200201312129.g0VLTF412127@galahad.joust.net> <002d01c1aaab$64bfb760$1700a8c0@home> Subject: Re: LF: Ampliphase Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave wrote: > Caroline were interested in getting a licence for 225KHz, should be > interesting from a ship...... Ah! An ideal candidate for a CFA! Talking of which, what ever happened to the "definitive" tests which were scheduled for a CFA system last year as arranged by NTL (?) and witnessed by a team of independent consultant engineers? Did they take place and were the results ever published? But if I were Radio Caroline and I had a license for 225kHz, I certainly wouldn't want to put the station back onto a ship irrespective of how sentimental it may appear. Remember the definition for a boat - "Something which makes a hole in water into which you pour money!" The only justification for retaining the station on a ship would be as part of a "Heritage Site" - perhaps run by the National Trust or English Heritage. After all the better run Radio Pirate Ships - namely Radio Caroline and Radio London - did have a very profound effect on the direction of Broadcasting within this country. I also wonder how commercially viable a re-incarnated Radio Caroline would be - given the quantity of independent stations now on the air. They would be competing in what is now a fairly saturated market, and some of the stations already on the air don't seem to be doing that well financially. The thing that I find so paradoxical about the Caroline story is that Rowan O'Reilly started Caroline because he couldn't get Luxembourg to play the records of Georgie Fame (?), for whom he was an agent, as Luxembourg's English Service airtime was fully booked by Decca Records and HMV Records(?). The popularity of Caroline and the other Radio Pirate Ships were eventually instrumental in the creation of all day Top 40 stations, such as Radio 1 and then the ILR stations, and it was these that no doubt brought about the demise of Luxembourg's English Service. So you could say that Rowan O'Reilly got his (Ross) Revenge! David G4FTC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21321 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 17:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 17:54:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 19976 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 17:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 17:54:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Whlx-0003cC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:49 +0000 Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.175]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Whlv-0003c7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:48 +0000 Received: from modem-35.durin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.162.35] helo=g3aqc) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 16Whl7-0000n2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:45:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c1ab48$67d398c0$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: LF Good Propagation? Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:45:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Conditions on 80m are very good at present so I will try some 30sec. DFCW
tonight from 2230 to 2330. Listening on 7030.   73s Laurie.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18651 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 15:42:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 15:42:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17777 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 15:42:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 15:42:43 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wfma-0003MH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:39:20 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WfmZ-0003MA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:39:19 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Wflm-0005uH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:38:30 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Wfll-0002G7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:38:29 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020201153452.00a7f9f0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:36:01 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: Ampliphase In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020201131657.00a348e0@POP3.freeler.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 13:24 01/02/2002 +0100, you wrote: >To All from PA0SE, > >It this Ampliphase system similar to the Chireix modulation system that I >think was used by Radio Luxemburg on long wave? > >73, Dick, PA0SE Dear Dick, LF Group, Apparently yes - have a look at http://www.beech-ra.demon.co.uk/radio/ampli.htm Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8887 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 12:31:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 12:31:01 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7316 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 12:30:58 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 12:30:58 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WchT-0002uk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:21:51 +0000 Received: from cmailenv2.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.54]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WchS-0002uf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:21:50 +0000 Received: from [62.21.130.171] (helo=w8k3f0.freeler.nl) by cmailENV2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16Wcgc-0007f0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:20:58 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020201131657.00a348e0@POP3.freeler.nl> X-Sender: FRE0000086604@POP3.freeler.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 13:24:08 +0100 To: "LF-Group" From: "Dick Rollema" Subject: LF: Ampliphase MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE,

It this Ampliphase system similar to the Chireix modulation system that I think was used by Radio Luxemburg on  long wave?

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6953 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 10:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 10:36:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 22997 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 10:36:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 10:36:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Waze-0002cC-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:32:30 +0000 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Wazd-0002c7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:32:29 +0000 Received: from abc (bts-0012.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.48.12]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3/Debian 8.11.2-1) with SMTP id g11AVcu29665 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:31:39 GMT Message-ID: <000001c1ab0b$742bc4e0$0c30f7c2@zetnet.co.uk> From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200201312129.g0VLTF412127@galahad.joust.net> <002d01c1aaab$64bfb760$1700a8c0@home> Subject: Re: LF: Ampliphase Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:24:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" > ... 4.5KHz cutoff filters that the EBU compliant broadcasters used. What was the specification of those filters? When I was involved in starting up University Radio Essex, a licensed station, in 1970 we were given a specification which required the modulation to be 40dB down at 4.5 kHz from the carrier. We dutifully complied with a filter that would do this with 80% modulation with a sine wave. When the Men from the Ministry did their tests, they used a classical music feed at 30% modulation! The transmitter (a rebuilt KW Vanguard) would have managed that with only a little tailoring of the microphone amplifier. 73 de John Rabson G3PAI PS (off topic) does anyone from that establishment in those days recall a piece of doggerel that started "The chief defect of Shirley Thing"? If you do, please e-mail me direct. Many thanks. J From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21693 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 08:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 08:14:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 14845 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 08:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 08:14:40 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WYez-0002Jp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:03:01 +0000 Received: from fep04.swip.net ([130.244.199.132] helo=fep04-svc.swip.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WYey-0002Jk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:03:00 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.101.36.108]) by fep04-svc.swip.net with SMTP id <20020201080209.CUXB3411.fep04-svc.swip.net@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:02:09 +0100 Message-ID: <009d01c1aaf6$d5c1a900$6c2465d5@oemcomputer> From: "Johan Bodin" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200201312129.g0VLTF412127@galahad.joust.net> <002d01c1aaab$64bfb760$1700a8c0@home> Subject: Re: LF: Ampliphase Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:01:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dave G3YXM wrote: > ding-ding Aah... Makes me sooo nostalgic... 259 de Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13870 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:32:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 5114 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:32:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:32:50 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQfl-0001IQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:31:17 +0000 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.49] helo=scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQfk-0001IL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:31:16 +0000 Received: from sdn-ar-006florlap324.dialsprint.net ([158.252.71.230] helo=kd4wov) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WQev-0004yl-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:30:25 -0800 From: "Tom Tishken KD4WOV" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <000401c1aaa8$325455e0$fdca28c3@erica> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: One other note I just thought of. Here in the US displays for Tesla coils must be in a shielded an environment, i.e. no radiation or EMI released from the shielded enclosure. not sure if that was the case there or not. -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of g3ldo Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:39 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna > >> I have not experimented in a while with my partially built tesla coil, > >> but has anyone used their Tesla coil as an antenna for ELF or other Freqs? > I assume that a typical tesla coil is a rather short and fat structure. I > am not sure that in this case the magnetic field can be ignored, compared > to the electric field. And since a Tesla coil has rather small dimensions - > compared to other LF transmitting antennas - I'm afraid that it will have a > very low efficiency. > BUT ... since you have the Tesla coil available I would certainly recommend > to do some tests (that's what all the fun is about). Over two years ago I reported on the Tesla coil as a radiator. I was operating at radio station at Amberley Museum and was told that there could be some QRM because of a Tesla group who had set up at the Electricity Hall. I did not experience any QRM so after my operating stint I drove my car near to where some of the larger coils were being tested. I was told by the group that the frequencies in used depended on the size of the coil with the large ones on about 130kHz and the one very big one on 70kHz. These coils produced some very spectacular displays. I had my old 707 rig with a converter with me and used a 2m length of wire as an antenna. The rig was located about 100m from the coils. I tuned around the LF bands while some of these monsters were being fired up and heard - nothing! The receiver was working because I could hear the lager commercial stations without difficulty. It could be that all the energy was being dissipated the spark - but I would have expected to receive something. All these big coils were using the rotary spark gap method of firing the primary coils - a spectacular display in themselves. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27458 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:30:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:30:55 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16291 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:30:52 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:30:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQds-0001HO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:29:20 +0000 Received: from out2.prserv.net ([32.97.166.32] helo=prserv.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQdr-0001HJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:29:19 +0000 Received: from ieee.org (slip-32-102-149-219.md.us.prserv.net[32.102.149.219]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2002013123282120204fsch2e>; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:28:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3C59D325.98EE9F72@ieee.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:28:37 -0500 From: "Andre Kesteloot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Ampliphase References: <200201310309.g0V39o408009@galahad.joust.net> <000201c1aa99$32039ba0$1b9793c3@drawing> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: David Sparvell wrote: > [...] > Remember the Ampliphase was called "The Transmitter which > Broadcast Engineers loved to hate!". they were fairly easy to keep in tune on medium wave. But switching short waves bands during the day was no mean feat :-) André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18437 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:20:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2792 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:19:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQSV-0001FF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:35 +0000 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.49] helo=scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQST-0001FA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:17:34 +0000 Received: from sdn-ar-006florlap324.dialsprint.net ([158.252.71.230] helo=kd4wov) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WQRb-0001qN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:16:39 -0800 From: "Tom Tishken KD4WOV" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:15:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-reply-to: <000401c1aaa8$325455e0$fdca28c3@erica> Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Wow, now that is something I have not heard. I had a Jacob's Ladder set up that created some RFI even into the TV bands. I am amazed that you did not hear anything, but you could be right about the energy being dissipated in the sparks. I had an HF antenna that had a bad insulator. It worked great at 25 watts but at 50 watts the SWR started going crazy and very few locals could hear me that were 5 miles away (on 10 meters). What took a while figure out, was it worked at lower powers but it seemed to be an attenuator at higher power levels when it started arcing (which I found out about by seeing it at night). Makes you wonder how Tesla could have sent any power over any distance except 2 possibilities. 1) He had a large ground, which would be very effective at LF and we have not reproduced. 2) He made sure Arcing was not happening. -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of g3ldo Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:39 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tesla Coil as an antenna > >> I have not experimented in a while with my partially built tesla coil, > >> but has anyone used their Tesla coil as an antenna for ELF or other Freqs? > I assume that a typical tesla coil is a rather short and fat structure. I > am not sure that in this case the magnetic field can be ignored, compared > to the electric field. And since a Tesla coil has rather small dimensions - > compared to other LF transmitting antennas - I'm afraid that it will have a > very low efficiency. > BUT ... since you have the Tesla coil available I would certainly recommend > to do some tests (that's what all the fun is about). Over two years ago I reported on the Tesla coil as a radiator. I was operating at radio station at Amberley Museum and was told that there could be some QRM because of a Tesla group who had set up at the Electricity Hall. I did not experience any QRM so after my operating stint I drove my car near to where some of the larger coils were being tested. I was told by the group that the frequencies in used depended on the size of the coil with the large ones on about 130kHz and the one very big one on 70kHz. These coils produced some very spectacular displays. I had my old 707 rig with a converter with me and used a 2m length of wire as an antenna. The rig was located about 100m from the coils. I tuned around the LF bands while some of these monsters were being fired up and heard - nothing! The receiver was working because I could hear the lager commercial stations without difficulty. It could be that all the energy was being dissipated the spark - but I would have expected to receive something. All these big coils were using the rotary spark gap method of firing the primary coils - a spectacular display in themselves. Regards, Peter, G3LDO e-mail Web From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23339 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:08:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 14717 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 23:08:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 23:08:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQEo-0001CW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:03:26 +0000 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16WQEn-0001CR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:03:25 +0000 Received: from host217-35-35-58.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.35.35.58] helo=dellboy) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16WQE0-0000vF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:02:36 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c1aaab$64bfb760$1700a8c0@home> From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200201312129.g0VLTF412127@galahad.joust.net> Subject: Re: LF: Ampliphase Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:02:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Try www.radiocaroline.co.uk for all the info on the Ross. The first Ampliphase I met was "T3" at Daventry which used to put out the BBC Third programme on 647KHz. I bit elderly when I was there in the early 70's but still going strong. It was actually an experimental Marconi version of the system with an exciting Lissajou display which needed to be kept circular by copious twiddling. I did see the one on the Ross Revenge on a glorious sunny day in 1984 but don't know much about it apart from the fact that it could sound very nice on a good day, party because of Caroline not bothering with the horrid 4.5KHz cutoff filters that the EBU compliant broadcasters used. Caroline were interested in getting a licence for 225KHz, should be interesting from a ship...... ding-ding Dave G3YXM. > The Ross last I heard was sitting in Queensborough, Sheerness, and > visitable for a fee. > > Cheers, > > Steve > > > > >